Virginia Roberts, END of INFOWARS, Synthetic Telepathy

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And Milwaukee gets the NHL hockey team. But that's a
whole different story, for a different show, for a different time.
But a lot's been happening in the world today, and
there's a lot of interesting thing out that things going

(06:13):
on going on in the world as we speak, and
one of them that really touches home. And you know,
originally was going to start with a different article, but
I think we're going to talk about this first because
there's been an emotional roller coaster for a lot of
us who started out in the Truth Or movement. And
if you don't know what the truth Or movement is,
they're like that sounds like a cult, right, you know,

(06:34):
the Truth Or Movement. It's something that's been out there,
probably at least in my opinion, the real boost in
the Truth Or movement started in the nineteen eighties with
a hand broadcaster by the name of William Cooper. I
think that that if I could point an origin point.
Now I'm not saying Anthony Hilder and Myron C. Fagan

(06:54):
and their vinyl series on the Council and Foreign relations
and Illuminati. I don't mean to take away from any
of that, but I'm talking about a real boost and
understanding of how the propaganda works, how the syops work,
and how everything else works. But we've all in our generation.
If you're a news person, a truth seeker, somebody that
questions the official narrative, if you are thinking that nine

(07:15):
to eleven was an inside job, if you stink I
jfk assassination, if you wonder if there's secret government programs
that you don't know about that your taxpayer dollars are
going to. We've probably covered it here, but there's no
place you could have gone where you didn't hear of
the platform called info Wars by Alex Jones. And it's
interesting and kind of like an end of an era

(07:38):
in the beginning of a rebirth, kind of like the
physics phoenix rising from the ashes that's going to be
happening with a lot of the independent activists. For the
longest time, this little guy out of Texas who was
doing you know, local free TV. You know, you know
how they have that local channel where everyone can go
broadcast and they'll give you a slot. And I know

(07:59):
I think Texamar did something like that in the past.
To another blast from the past, another interesting name. But
Alex Jones is one of those people that originally I
think pioneered, in some shapes or forms, the ambush journalism
against elitists. Right, that's at least that's how his story
starts out. You know, you got this guy realizing that

(08:19):
the popular like the stories of these New World order,
these ideologies. Hey, there's more to this. We need to
investigate this. Let's do some self investigating, gets ratings, he
understands how to run business, and all of a sudden boom,
there's a platform that is heavily run by citizen journalists
for the longest point, you know, and I would say
a lot of the stuff that's been aggregated on there

(08:42):
were citizen journalists. A lot of the people that we
respect within the independent journalist community, the Dan Dix of
Press for Truth, right, somebody I respect. There's a lot
of people that rose to the grill, you know, riches
and then kind of fell on their face, right, you
don't you know, you always try to be humble because
you don't know which day that you might fall flat
on your face and then you know everyone's gonna point

(09:03):
at you. We got, you know, the arizon falls of
different individuals, people that came out of there, like Luke Rodowski,
who is well known for his We Are Change movement.
We have Derek Brose who that's where I heard first
heard of Derek Brose was Info Wars, you know, and
me and Derek have been friends since, you know, communicating
Dan Dix I met. I knew because of Info Wars.

(09:24):
He's been on the rundown line for the last thirteen years,
on and out from Canada, you know, although he just
recently announced a Buildeberg and Sweden, which I think we
might cover a little bit. But I start thinking about this,
and I start thinking about what info Wars originally was
and where it is today, don right, because those are
two very different info Wars. And there's a solution here.
Because Alex Jones was an interesting and is an interesting individual,

(09:48):
whether if he's divisive or he's unifying people. And some
people believe he's a unifier, some people believe he's trying
to bring awareness and creates division by doing so, and
some people think he's a true finder and I think
he's all of the three, but he knows how to
run a business. And I'm not going to say, you know,
my opinions entirely on it, but I will say that

(10:08):
he's been impactful on the news. At one point, I
think I was listening to Jones in twenty fifteen and
he had somewhere of our He was talking about numbers
like ridiculous numbers like sixty or seventy million listeners and
visits his website during I think that was around twenty fourteen,
twenty fifteen. That's a ridiculous amount of traffic. That's an

(10:30):
impactful amount of traffic. That's more of the most mainstream media.
And people started really diving into the rabbit hole because
it was very much a scarce commodity. I remember going
into the local pobs talking to people, you know, there's
a drone power program, and I would have military vets,
don tell me you are nuts. There is no such
thing as a drone program. And Jones was talking about

(10:51):
this right, you know, he was talking about weather modification.
You go in there and be like, oh, there's spraying
chemicals to modify the weather. Oh you're crazy. Now, what
do they want to do they want to spray chemicals
or they are spring wells back you know ariselo stratospheric
aerosol injunctions to modify the weather and these things like
Builderberg Bohemian Grove where he snuck into. It's the first

(11:15):
time we saw the elite actually challenged that. I can
remember other than comedy comedians that were out there, like
Bill Hicks and he'd make jabs at it, and George
Carlin he would put jabs on it. And there was
that one guy that was a friend with the rocketfeller.
What was his name? He did an interview I forgot
what Jones, I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
It was Aaron Aaron something I can't Yeah, I believe you're.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Right Aaron Russo. Yes, isn't ada Aaron Russo Jones interview
which was all very interesting and I'd love to hear
and know some of your favorite stories around the Alex
Jones Info Wars. But I remember this. I remember the
first time the Rundown Live. I can't remember which article
it was, but we had it aggregated by info Wars

(11:58):
and we saw this huge influx of traffic all of
a sudden, our website that was receiving maybe you know,
five ten thousand views a day, all of a sudden
hitting twenty thirty forty fifty thousand views a day because
we started getting our stories, which we investigated, we made
a video or found a video that supported it, and

(12:19):
then we published article and we would forward it to
independent news sites that were doing the same thing we were,
which was citizen driven news.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
Right.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
A lot of the information that info Wars aggregated all
came off the blood and sweat of the independent news community,
the activists who became pseudo reporters and journalists because they
cared to be counterpropaganda. And so that's why you got
those Derek bros Is. And there's comeless other people out
there that their careers have blossomed. Some of them disappeared, right.

(12:48):
I can think of some Julio Russo who used to
be NGR. It was a GNR NNGR Reports, a very
good journalist, did a lot on Bildeberg, did a lot
on weather metal modification of the people assimilated into the
work environment. After the Great Purge of twenty fifteen, and
you kind of saw how the platform kind of moved.
But I remember police State videos done. Did you ever

(13:11):
watch the police State videos by Alex Joon.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah. Yeah, I've seen every single one of them.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yeah, it's an interesting thing, right. This guy was one
of the first like cop blockers and kind of one
of the people out there really warning about the craziness
of law enforcement. You know, Asset for for sure, all
these weird, bizarre military trainings that the police like, they
were like, I don't know if it was military or police.

(13:37):
They were training to take on the American citizens. He's like, look,
they're training to come after us. They were like, Oh,
that would never happen in America, right, you got that.
You don't have the tinfoil hat on yet. That could
never happen here, right, that's a conspiracy. Most of the world,
in most of the population did not believe in conspiracies,
and if they did, they didn't understand or have the
evidence of support it. But now with the Internet, it

(14:00):
lives forever. And although some people have exposed things, but
it's interesting, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Still remember in I believe it was Police State. One
the first Police State documentary that he put out, he
exposed Operation Urban Warrior, which was going on in California.
This is in nineteen ninety eight, which was a program
where the local California police, the CHPD, California Highway or

(14:28):
California Highway Patrol, we're working with National Guard. And Alex
went in, he got him on video where they had
actors lined up behind these barricades that were saying, we're
American citizens.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
You can't do this.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
We have constitutional rights. You can't take our guns away,
you know, and actually like war gaming, martial law, detention
of citizens, removal of constitutional liberties by American police, by
American military during Operation Urban Warrior, which was a training
for going on in California back in ninety eight. And
you know, it's it's wild man that you know, we

(15:05):
continue to see this going on. And as we continue
this conversation, obviously, I'm going to bring up some points
about very much so how you mentioned earlier that the
info wars of then and the info wars of now
are two very different things. I've got some very poignant
opinions on that, but will reserve that for a more
apropos point of this conversation.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Well, right, so, so we had this platform, right, it
felt like our platform because it was it was my platform,
it was your platform, it was Jason Burmas's platform. It
was everyone's platform. We all contributed to it, and Jones
amplified people. You know they Rob do you over there,
you know, I think he was one of the main guys.

(15:47):
If I remember correctly, I know he's still over there.
A big shout out to Rob Doo has always done
a genuine job. He always has supported the Rundown Live.
We got our guests. You know, even the Rundown Life
has evolved, Okay, I want to point that out. As
influence has inolved evolved, Rundown Live has as well. I
remember when we first started doing the show, we would
interview everyone, and we're talking about people who had some

(16:10):
like wretched points of views. You know, some of them
were borderline, you know, well definitely extremist points of view,
things that we didn't agree with. But we wanted to
understand why these individuals talk like this, right, why they
were like, why did they feel this way? Why is
this going on? One of them that comes to mind
is the top hacker, Andrew Weave, one of the top

(16:32):
hackers in the world, very anti Semitic, and we wanted
to ask him why and we clearly said, you know,
this is not what we believe, Like we just wanted
to have a better understanding why this top hot hacker
feels this way and he feels like he's been targeted
by the same group of people. And I don't know.
The video got thirty thousand views, and it had a
lot to do with hacking and understanding hacking. But he

(16:53):
had some very extremist points of view. Chris Cantwell before
he was ultra extremists. He was just an asshole anarchist, right,
and then nobody you know, he was the well was he?
He was the cash the quarter guy. Right, he'd go
around to all the parking parking meter guy.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Right?

Speaker 5 (17:11):
What did they call that? I forgot there was a
name for it where Robin hooding. That's what it was called.
People would Robin hood And if you don't know what
robin hooding is. And I think I learned about this
on Jones's program too. I could be wrong. It could
have been campt Well on our program because he was
viral at the time. But essentially, cops were so upset
with Camtwell because their revenue generating for running writing tickets

(17:32):
went to almost nothing because he take donations and he
just feed parking meters all day. And I'm sure he
paid himself a little bit out of it too. I
wouldn't doubt it. I'm not saying he did. You know,
he's the anarchist, but I wouldn't be surprised to find
enough if he did. Right, But he ended up turning
like I was at Builderberg in twenty seventeen and the
dude was spewing toxic white supprise. Now I can't say

(17:54):
white nationalist ideologies, like the whites are disappearing and you
know all this than that you know, and it's like, bro,
that's not unifying, Like you're bringing awareness that you know,
a certain skin tone is becoming a little less on
this planet. What's the big deal? That doesn't define who
I am, but what you are saying is starting to

(18:14):
define what you are. And it's crazy to see all
these like I would call them almost news war casualties
of people who used to be very I would say
simple or understanding of these, the concept of being counterpropaganda,
and people who literally bought in to the ultra leftist

(18:37):
ideology like you have the two extremes and we interview
them all. And the thing is nowadays we could never
do that. They would take us off the radio. They
would take us off of already off of YouTube, but
who knows what other platforms. We'd be stuck in the
ghettos of like some a chan and it would suck.
And all we were trying to do is bring awareness
to people of how crazy some of these ideas are. Anyways,

(18:58):
the Rundown Live Sense has become more tech based. We've
become you know, we're not talking as much about some
of the things I used to love late at night, right,
Giant human skeletons, you know, mythological like weird odd skeleton finds,
like a centaur, minotaur and sadyrs and all this bizarre
stuff that allegedly was found. And they're like, oh yeah,
somebody who got creative with bone art and they buried it.

(19:20):
And it's like, okay, sure, okay, I'll accept that answer. Like,
I'm not going to argue with that. I just said
it was interesting. In Russia they found a Satar skeleton,
you know, in an effigy mound, and you know, even
in the biblic Bible says there's a satyrs laugh it's
joyful and yeah, I don't know, I don't know, And
if it's what an actual sator is defined to look
like the real thing, not the statues. But you know,

(19:41):
we like talking about a lot of that stuff, and
we've kind of shifted to where that's fun. But we're
a little bit more of them, more mature, sometimes mature,
run down live, right, We're we're a little bit more exciting.
We talk a lot about futurism and that has changed, right,
I don't I cover more protests, court cases, Like I

(20:01):
was a key reporter and we're gonna dive into that
Nicklene Maxwell Jeffrey Epstein trial. With the Lenn Maxwell trial,
I was there for five weeks. I was on Owen
Schroyer's war room. I was doing correspondence work for the BBC,
who still hasn't paid me, by the way, I don't
think they will. I don't think you will. They're like,
oh yeah, screw this car, you know. And I mean
they paid me in video licensing, like for my Kenosha

(20:23):
unrest and stuff like that, but like, you know, I
don't really care. It's not about the money, right. I
was happy to do it. I'd do it again if
I wouldn't cover the Diddy trial or whatever it is.
I'm not here for the money. And they're like I
just thought it was funny. It's a little jab at
the mainstream media. You know, they want to use us
for information, right, And you know it's funny is we
give it away for free for people like Jones. Because
Jones helped aggregate us, he helped bring and build all

(20:46):
these little mini empires. The wheels are in motion, and
there's no way to stop the information revolution. And I
wonder if that at part led to Jones's Alex Jones,
you know, jolt high caffeinated soda turning into kind of
borderline diet coke, you know, per se. And I noticed
that there's been a transition over the years, a mature change,

(21:09):
and at one point it's always been side. I know,
when I reached the prominence of news and I was
getting on the front cover of every newspaper. I was
in GQ, I was featured in Rolling Stone, all these
different things, people kept telling me, don you have to
pick a side, or the media will pick a side
for you. Well, some people picked a side, and I'm
not going to hold that against them. I'm just gonna

(21:31):
say I'm not going to agree with everything that that
network may have to say, but I will tell you
that I will continue to spread the truth. I will
be kind to the people I've grew up with. Just
because I sit down and have a bruskie with somebody
I don't agree with doesn't mean I'm gonna be toxic
and start a name call and be like, oh yeah wrong.
I was like, why do you believe? Why what you believe?
Let's talk about this. And one of the things that

(21:52):
Jones did better than anyone else was bring awareness to
the Jeffrey Epstein trial.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Tom Yes, yes, he did really quick. I do want
to put a pauls and that because I just saw
in the chat some breaking news here. According to Andrew Morrow.
It appears, according to Andy, that our friend Earl Gray
Anderson has passed away. This is uh, you know, awful news.
You know, we just had Earl on the show. Uh
you know, I just saw Andy in the chat said

(22:17):
rip Earl Gray Anderson, and so I'm assuming you know that,
Uh you know that that is the case, and you
know it's the first I'm hearing of it. That's awful.
We just had Earl on the program, so, uh, you know,
rest in peace to him.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Uh, what was the topic we talked with Earl Gray?
Wasn't it UFOs. Yes, yes, it was. It was No
the guy from California. We just had him on.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, we just had him on.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yeah, you're talking about UFO shadow operations. Yeah, okay, So
Earl Gray Anderson has passed on. I wonder if we
are the last interview. And he was one of the
top guys I from my understanding with mouf On. And
if you don't know who moof On is, move on.

(23:03):
By the way, we're gonna I didn't mean to switch
gears because we're gonna hop back to the scene thing
here in a little bit. But this is important. Earl
Gray Anderson was a big person at moufon. And for
those that are in the Internet and community, they may
not have that may have not heard of what Moffon is.
I was a certified field investigator. I got sent one,
you know, one or two, uh you know, investigations which

(23:27):
were obviously hoaxes and bad photoshopped images or whatnot. But
moof On is probably the top, I would say, top
database in the world of UFO sightings. And Mark Dantonio,
who's a personal friend of mine and he's been on
the show with Don knowsm you know, he's a great individual.
I love Mark. He's my bro. Like when we like,

(23:49):
when I see him, that's where I'm going. And you
see him speak a contact in the desert or and
you know what, We're gonna hang out afterwards. That's how
close we are. He's a great guy, right, he's got
top secret clearance. He does stuff for the guy government.
I can't get into it, but he does do video
forensic of authenticating what is a real UFO, citing what
is not, which is a very powerful thing because if
you have the top database in the country, guess who

(24:13):
wants that data based on government?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, everybody, right, NASA.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
It was trying to get that database from move On,
and some people believe that there's a you know, like
there's all those like within the organization. There's like this
little bit of drama. There is this drama suggesting that
they did just that. And I don't know if that
ever came to Fruition and they are working with NASA,
and NASA would give him all this credibility and move
On would be you know, this proper organization. Because it's
interesting because it is probably the largest database of UFOs,

(24:41):
because I don't know that is known anyways. That is
not like black ops or whatever. And Earl Gray Anderson
was a big part of that, right, he was a
part of the organization for a long time. And that
is really sad news. Thank you Andrew Morrow, who's a
daily listener of the program, one of our favorite listeners
from the U by the way, you know, because we

(25:01):
reach people all over the United States, and that is sad.
But thanks for the information. And you know, what can
we say? You know, like I said, people come and
go in their impact and the internet will live forever.
Earl Gray Anderson will live for as long as the
video is available on the internet, amongst longer things in
people's hearts. So condolences to the family of Earl Gray

(25:23):
Anderson and to the Moufon community which was once part
of to all the people that work at Moufon. There's
a lot of different personalities, some beautiful and wonderful in
their names, sing voices in my ear and there's other
ones where I just want to close the door and
walk away. So like it's like any other job, right,
any other organization. And I think it's a good organization,

(25:43):
and there's things about it that I kind of, you know,
just like and I'm sure people feel that way about
the Rundown Live. So UFO research move on, m u
f O N. We have our episodes on this go
find them on Spotify or the rundown Live dot com.
I'm going to try to make our website easier to
have get all our videos too, and all that stuff.
But back to what we were talking about and the

(26:06):
segueing back in people passing away, Well, Virginia Roberts, who
was one of the key witnesses Virginia Virginia Jeffrey in
the Jeffrey Epstein trial, right, and she was an outside
influence in the Galan Maxwell trial. She also was the

(26:26):
one that sued the prince. Right, Yeah, what was the
prince's name? Do you remember that? Yeah, everybody remembers Prince Andrew.
I was waiting for all the listeners, go Prince Andrew,
you idiot? You know Prince Andrews.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Interestingly enough, I actually there's a guest that we had
had over on the Free Thought Project podcast. Jeremy Harding
just shared on Twitter last night that now we have
people like I believe it was it Jeremy Kaufman and
Ian was Ian Freeman. I can't remember. I was on
Twitter like midnight last night seeing this. But apparently some

(27:01):
of these individuals within the so called Libertarian Party are
now essentially attempting to defend Epstein by looking at you know.
It was a screenshot of one of them posted Virginia
Goffrey with Prince Andrew and it's like, you mean to
tell me she was seventeen in this picture? Was this
what everybody was bitching about? You know? And then in

(27:24):
the thread of the comments, they were like, yeah, we
need to get you to do a threat on how
Epstein was a victim. And it's like, what the fuck
is happening here? You kidding me? Sorry, I didn't mean
to get off topic a little bit.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
It's yeah, you know, I like that you silenced the
buck there, but like, you know, it's it's a creepy situation, right, Yeah.
So you have this figure Alex Jones, who's been talking
about this. I went and covered the trial in New
York with the Galaid Maxwell Trials there for five weeks.
The name of you guys remember my nightly live streams

(27:56):
and donated to the cause, which I'm forever grateful in
my heart for you guys. Saw me confront Isabelle Maxwell,
a little bit and ask her about Builderberg and the
World Economic Forum and synthetic biology and all these different
things she was interested in. And you got to see
her take my photograph and the next day I got
my hotel broken into my laptop stone just coincidence. You know,

(28:17):
I'm not saying that there's anything there. Now, you have
a big influencer, Virginia Roberts, who committed suicide, right, And
I think it's interesting because of the fact I don't
know if I believe that this was suicide, like not
off the bat like once. Like I'm starting to get
all the facts, and they're trying to say it's an
open and closed case, right, really simple, open and shut.

(28:41):
But I think that's more of a cover story for
a deeper thing that may have been happening. There's been,
i know, news stories of her being abused. She's abused
by her husband. Nobody who seems to benefit from.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Her death, right, Yeah, well of course, you know, everybody
that wants to continue to silence these victims in a
way are the ones that are actually benefit from this.
And you know, I was suspicious already a few weeks
ago when the news broke that she was hit by
a bus. You know, that happened just a few weeks ago,

(29:16):
and and you know she took to social media to
say that she only has a few days to live
and so on and so forth, and automatically my head
is like, nah, man, I mean, yeah, sometimes genuine accidents
can happen, Sometimes genuine coincidences can happen. But but oftentimes, man,
when when we look at you know, the things the

(29:37):
way they are, you know, the world being a stage
with with all this sort of stuff, especially just around
the timing of how all of this you know, Epstein
declassification alleged so on, you know, so called is being
talked about. You know, we had that big Epstein siop
where you know, of course Epstein's buddy Trump and Trump's
doj you know, they're going to march out all these

(29:59):
right wing in fl when he was holding bound binders
full of nonsense and say that we're to classifying the
Epsteam files. And then it's a big nothing burger. It's
a syop and everybody you know.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
Well, they got they got the chef there that what
they claimed was everything that they should have gotten is
not what they got, and that there's like there's like
a rebellion in the FBI was in there like this
anti Trump movement and they were going to withhold the information.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
That's what they're attempting to propigates, that's what they're trying
to spin it as. But when we look at the
fact that within the FBI, I mean, if we look
at Trump's entire plan, the people in positions in the
FBI and the dj and pretty much every notable institution
are Trump loyalists. He made sure this time around not

(30:47):
to supposedly make the same mistake he made in last
time by putting in a bunch of so called, you know,
people not loyal to him. He was very very adamant,
and his people were very very adamant for inauguration Day,
even that they're putting everybody. Everybody they put in is
a Trump loyalist, hardcore do what he says type of person.

(31:08):
So that whole narrative of oh, there's a rebellion and
they're not doing what he says, I mean, it falls
flat on the face, you know, with logic. But not
trying to harp on Trump too much. Back to Virginia Goffrey.
When I heard that she was hit by a bus man,
I'm like, nah, and you know something weird is going
on here, because it automatically brought me back. I sent

(31:29):
you a screenshot earlier. I'm not sure if we can
pull it up on screen if you have access to it.
But back in twenty nineteen, Virginia had made a post
on Twitter where she was talking about how she was
not suicidal at all. If anything happened to her, then
you should look into it. You know, she's not going
to take her own life, so on and so forth
and so then of course, the other day I saw

(31:50):
the news broke that she allegedly died by suicide, and
once again, my thoughts were immediately went back to that,
and I'm just like, man, the timing is too weird.
Something I'm smelling at in the kitchen, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely weird. I just pulled the
image give me a second to load it of her
tweet because you know, everyone screenshots things because things disappear
just magically, right. It's just one of those things where
you're just like, yep, I don't know what happened was
there just a few minutes ago. Unlike printed news right
back in the day, you could just print they have
a newspaper and be like, there it is in writing.

(32:23):
There's no argument there. So let's go ahead and we'll
pull this up here and let's see. Do I got
on the screen here for you guys, Yes, I do.
And there it is. Here's Virginia Roberts's statement right here.
It says, I'm making it publicly known that in no way,
shape or for him, am I suicidal. I've made this
known to my therapist and GP if something happens to

(32:47):
me in the sake of my family, do not let
this go away and help me to protect them. Too.
Many evil people want to see me quieted. And so
I'm wondering if that's just what this is. Maybe it
wasn't suicide. Maybe she's being threatened. One of the things
that comes to mind.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Right.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
I listened to a bunch of information on this. I
called some of the people that were at the Galon
Maxwell trial with me to get their inside, you know,
and we talk a little bit, catch up, see how
they're doing, and a lot of them feel like this
could have been something a little bit more nefarious. Cool.
We got our buddy Ryder Lee joining us here to
talk about this a little bit he'll be joining us

(33:25):
last minute, and he has some interesting videos that are
going viral right now on this subject. But it's interesting Virginia, Jeffrey,
you know, Virginia Roberts who's gone in Mary Lago. She
had a like signs of physical abuse, right, and some
people believe that those marks were very consistent with being
punched in a face, you know, the side that she was,

(33:45):
you know, And some people believe that those injuries were
either happened before or after the accident, and they were
not in line with the accident happening. Also that she's
been threatened, and maybe this is a way, I think
to potentially silence all these new victims that are going
to be coming up, because one of the things I'm
seeing the news that is that they're identifying they've identified
about over one hundred new child victims that were in

(34:09):
Jeffrey Epstein's you know, possession with the videos that were released,
and it's being disseminated and looked into. But I'm gonna
go ahead and join I have a writer Lee join
us a long time. Actually I met him a year ago,
I believe, right, wasn't it at contact in a desert.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
Contacting a desert baby. Good to see you. Thanks for
having me on.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
Yes, yeah, you do. Raised by giants, right, yes, sir, raised.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
By giants on YouTube and any and all podcast platforms.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
That's awesome, man. So what let's dive into this a
little bit. You've been doing a lot of deep research
on this as well, right on this whole Virginia Jeffrey things,
and you you like, I'm not I'm thinking this as
like a way to shut up any future potential victims.
But I think it would be really interesting to get
your point of view because I know you've been really
interested in this topic as well.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
Yes, sir, it is a It's a multifaceted thing. And
the first thing that really got me into this because
I thought that she had died in the bus accident
okay that happened on March twenty fourth this year. Because
everyone had contacted me and was like, did you hear
that Jeffrey Epstein's victim, Virginia Giffrey had just died from

(35:13):
this bus accident. I didn't look into it because I
was like, okay, well maybe this is like bus accident's.
Car accidents happened all the time, Okay. I didn't even
look into it. And then so I was kind of
shocked whenever I found out a couple of days ago.
It came out on the twenty fifth.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
Is she alive?

Speaker 6 (35:30):
That she's still alive and she had, you know, apparently
committed suicide, just like apparently Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide as well.
And I was like, okay, well, is this a Mandela
effect type of thing? But it turned out that people
were just telling me that I didn't look into it,
I didn't research it. I didn't see if so that
she had actually died there. But there was like three
or four people that had all reached out to me
and said that she had died in this bus accident.

(35:51):
And then I was like, okay, well there's something strange
and weird going on with this bus accident. I need
to look into this further, because I always follow my
intuition when it comes to this kind of stuff. You know,
when I get an intuitive thing, I just go and
then I just run with it. Okay. So then I
just made a live stream called Virginia Giuffrey Mendela Effect,

(36:11):
and then I started unraveling this whole bus accident thing.
Because the bus accident happened on March twenty fourth. As
far as we know, she was in the hospital on
March thirtieth, because that's whenever she posted that Instagram photo
of her looking like that she was beat up, okay,
And then I started kind of putting two and two
together because she in Australia. The cars the driver's side

(36:36):
is on the right side, it's not on the left side.
The injuries are coming from the left side of her face.
So what did she hit If this bus accident was
legitimate and it was real and it was as bad
as everyone said. Now, the police, the Australian Police, gave
a completely different account of this. They said that the
bus accident was very minor with no injuries. The police
didn't even show up. There was no report. Police didn't

(36:56):
show up to this bus accident because it was that
no one was hurt and it wasn't even reported until
the next day by the bus driver. But there's so
many conflicting things about this bus accident. The police said
that no children was on the bus. Every other article
that I've read about the bus accident said that the
bus was full of children and no one was injured.

(37:18):
Whenever this bus accident happened, there's any conflicting reports of
how fast the bus was going. Some people say sixty
eight miles per hour, some other say forty eight miles
per hour, some say eighty three miles per hour. There's
no consistency on how fast the bus was going whenever
it struck Virginia's car. Okay, and then she ends up

(37:39):
in the hospital as far as we know, six days later,
on March thirtieth, with these injuries on the side of
her face. And on the end of that episode, I
was like, I didn't have really enough time to dig
too much into it because I was getting ready to
be on another show, but I said that her face
looks like that. She like, it looks like a handprint
on the side of her face. Okay, hold on, let

(38:01):
me pull up these I have a whole thing here
of the injuries. I'm sure you've already showed them on here,
but here's the Instagram post of her saying that she
has three to four days to live and that she
has kidney failure. Okay. And I was like, Okay, well,
what if this injury did not come from the bus accident,

(38:25):
and if the bus accident is fraudulent, because there's also
other articles stating that she exaggerated this bus accident, that
the bus driver said that there were no injuries. The
police said that there were no injuries. So how did
she get these injuries on the side of her face?
Where did these injuries come from? If the bus accident
was fraudulent, maybe it happened, Maybe it didn't happen. Maybe

(38:46):
it was minor accident like the police were saying. But
there's so many conflicting statements that's made between the police
and the reports. Well, how did she get these bruises
on the side of her face? So then I started
looking into well, has Virginia ever reported any violence from
her husband? Okay? And it turns out that she did

(39:10):
almost only a week later after she had posted this
message on Instagram saying that she had been involved in
this busoxident. She has all these bruises on her face.
She did a People magazine interview where she says that
she alleges that her husband has physically abused her for years.
I can no longer stay silent. This is a People

(39:33):
Magazine exclusive, And in an exclusive statement the People magazine,
Virginia said I was able to fight back against Justlene
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, who abused and trafficked me. But
I was unable to escape the domestic violence in my
marriage until recently, after my husband's latest physical assault. I

(39:53):
can no longer stay silent. Now that statement says everything
that you need to know. He's basically saying that the
bus accident wasn't a real She didn't get these injuries
from the bus accident. She got these injuries from her husband.
Her husband did these injuries to her, and she's going
to the hospital because she had lost custody of her

(40:16):
kids back from another incident that happened January eighth of
two of twenty twenty five, where a police report was
filed and the exact same thing had happened to her.
Her husband had deviated her septum, bruised her eye, bruised
her temple, and there was a police report for that,

(40:36):
and then she even showed up to the hospital and
her husband did Robert Giuffrey, which is impossible to find
anything about her husband. There is nothing about her husband
on the internet, no birth certificate, nothing, It is just blank.
They say he's not a public figure, no articles written
about her. All that we know is that he was

(40:57):
a martial artist. He was in Thailand whenever Jeffrey Epstein
sing Virginia in two thousand and two to Thailand to
be a massuse to go to Missous school, and she
met Robert Giffrey there and then they got married ten
days later. That's all we know about Robert Gifray.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Which in and of itself is suspicious as hell, super suspicious.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
It's interesting because when I covered the Glon Maxwell trial
and I was there, one of the things we learned
is that Epstein was kind of a jealous dude, Like
when his girls would stop performing on demand and he'd
offer to fly him in and they'd be like, well,
I got a new boyfriend. He's like, he would be
very persistent on trying to get them to him. And

(41:41):
maybe this is, you know, somebody that's in cahoots obviously
with the whole ring per Se and her and her
husband or whoever this individual is who's basically it sounds
like scrub from the internet. How do you stay out
of the public if you're a Virginia Roberts husban been,
you know, it's like you can pay companies to scrub

(42:03):
your stuff off the internet, and it's it's almost like
a syop to me, like, obviously, if Epstein was working
under cover gigs, the FBI tipped him off that they
were going to raise his house. I found that out
when I covered the Maxwell trial in New York. Right,
So there's definitely agency links between them. So who's to
say that this guy wasn't just a handler of Virginia

(42:25):
Roberts and they just ran with it to take down people.
It's a power struggle, right, you want to take down
the biggest man in the world. You're gonna do it
if you can.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
That's right. That's what I think exactly what happened. And
this is a statement from Amanda Roberts, which is Virginia's
brother's wife. Amanda says about the alleged January ninth beating.
Sorry I got that wrong. I thought it was January eighth,
but it was January ninth. Small mistake, but in the

(42:56):
right time zone. That she has had to speak the
truth with her on the phone, and that she acknowledged
that if Virginia had one more instance with him, she
wasn't making it out of there. Wow, that is the
smoking gun. That is the smoking gun evidence. This is
written in this People magazine article that anybody can go

(43:18):
look at that is enough circumstantial evidence just by that
statement alone to bring an investigation against Robert Gifray.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Absolutely, which then once again the fact that the police
and other authorities and mainstream media are you know, basically saying, oh,
it's opening and shut. You know, there's nothing to see here,
folks like it reeks of something more systemic happening here.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
Absolutely, and then they even the rest of the article
is very damning against Robert Giffrey. Here Sky and Amanda
also note that they don't know whether Virginia is medical
issues that was a result of the cross or the
complications of a recent b that she allegedly suffered at
the hands of her husband, or a combination of the two.

(44:04):
So essentially what happened was is that the bus crash
was a cover up for her kids, because whenever she
got the beating in January ninth by Robert Defray where
he beat her almost to death, she went to the hospital,
she filed a police report. No charges were ever brought

(44:25):
against Robert Giffrey, but he turned around in a shocking
move to the family because the family has been aware
of this for ten years. She's allegedly been abused by
this man for up to ten.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Years, almost like a handler.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
Huh, exactly like a handler. And what happened was is
no charges were ever brought against him, but he did
the unthinkable and turned around and filed a protection order
against her, a family protection order, and tried to gaslight
everyone into believing that she was the one that abused him,
which is typical narcissistic abuse of like a woman beater,

(45:01):
a domestic government.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
That's like media tactics. It's like everything you lave your
adversary for what you're doing. Then when they say, hey,
you're doing it too, every no one believes them.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Right.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
It's typology.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, I was about to say, it's typical psychological warfare.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
Yeah. And it's a setup for the defense because I
believe that this was a planned thing. It's plan. He
knew that he that something was going to go down,
and he would have it was going to take her
out eventually, so he had to set up his defense beforehand.
And his defense is rock solid almost. He's got the
he's got the kids, he's got the protection order as

(45:36):
involved too.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
So she's worried about being able to see her children.
You know how terrible is to rip the kids away
from a mom. That's like taking like her soul. So
I mean a mother bear will usually in most cases
not all will do it, just anything to keep her
children safe.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
And then speaking about the damages, because that's another thing
that Virginia made a comment about in her Instagram post
that she was also suffering from kidney failure. Now, Sky
which is Sky Roberts, which is Virginia's brother, told People Magazine,
I think that the kidney failure is from years of abuse.

(46:14):
You got to think she's allegedly being abused for over
ten years. Anybody's body is going to take a toll
over that course of time, right, Or poisoning, Okay, that
is you know, kidney failure is directly connected with being
poisoned as well, or alcoholic abuse or drug abuse or

(46:39):
internal bleeding or being beat on your body, because that's
what woman beaters and domestic violence abusers also do, is
they beat the shit out of your body too, because
whenever they do it on your face.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Everyone sees it exactly. Well, it's like the telephone book, right,
like the stories of child musicians and beaten with telephone
books because it hurts, and if they punched the book.
They feel the brunt of it, but that doesn't really
leave marks, and you know that's or in our marks
in noticeable places, right, So it's interesting it all starts,
you know, I wonder what the substance of these arguments

(47:15):
where it probably wasn't like she didn't have dinner ready
for him. I'm sure it's probably like years and years
of different things that are going on. He's there to
handle her. She might not really view it as that
she've viewsed as somebody she fell in love with, heads
over y, head over heels and ten days got married
to her dream husband and then all of a sudden,
you know, he love bombed her narcissistically and then got

(47:36):
her eye. Well, this is a lot like hypothetical, right,
So with the facts that we have to deal with,
Like we know that she's being abused by this guy repeatedly,
and there's a lot of money here, and this guy
has a payday if she does die, and you know
he has to know it's coming. At some point. You
took down one of the probably one of the biggest

(47:58):
extortionists in history. Yep, there's gonna be repercussions, and they
want to send a message to all their other victims
that will be claiming money as well, wouldn't they.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
That's why Prince Andrew's ex wife is essentially making Instagram
post about like this is what you give Virginia for
being a liar? Did you guys see that?

Speaker 4 (48:19):
I know?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
No?

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Wow? Yeah, hold on, let me see if I can Yeah,
let me see if I can find it.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
Well, well you're looking for that, Like, I want you
guys to think about this because I was the person
that covered this trial, you know, with Glain Maxwell amongst
other things, and some of the things that happened throughout
the trial. Even to me, we're precarious and interesting. I
wouldn't doubt that somebody with that kind of power of
money and that kind of deep ties, the deep state antics,

(48:51):
you know that there would be repercussion and that they're
going to try to send a message. Now she said
she wasn't suicidal. Right, we know that her husband be
her and that there's a lot of money to gain
that way.

Speaker 7 (49:02):
Right.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
We know that her repercussions for what her testimonies gave,
it gives strength to other women to come forward.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Right.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
She is the main figure. She came from Mari Lago,
which is controversial because that's you know, Trump Estate, that's
Trump Land. There's just all these different things that just
like data points. I wish we had Drew Arnold put
together a data Dragnette when using AI of this whole
like labyrinth of information. We're gonna have to talk to him, Don,

(49:32):
But yeah, this is okay. Let's go back to what
you said. So, Virginia Jeffrey's death brought a remark from
Prince Andrew's mother.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
You said, no, Prince Andrew's ex wife's.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Wife, excuse me, apologize? I mean this Britness information there how.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
You were or Andrew wars Is his girlfriend, Lady of
Victoria Harvey sparked fury by reacting to Virginia giffras suicide
on Friday by posting, when wise catch up with you,
there's no way out. That is sickening, so sick, mean,
why would you ever say that about anybody?

Speaker 5 (50:06):
I mean almost that makes me wonder if there was intent,
Like that's like sucks and they're gonna, like the cops said,
this is an open and closed, shut, right suicide. There's
no nothing to question here, right, But here you have
these weird comments like this one that would make you
think maybe like she had a lot of enemies. We
don't know which way this could have came from, right

(50:27):
and it could be your husband could be Prince Andrew,
could be the remnants of the Epstein at State or
the Maxwells, who are very power powerful, Isabelle said on
the steering committee of the Buildeberg Group and World Economic Forum.
She's in with the Klaus Schwab of the world. You know,
it's you know, these are powerful people. You know, there's
no doubt about it. Even our president has links to

(50:50):
you know, the mob and everything else they say, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
And yeah, and I was about to bring that up partially,
so like, first of all, let's not forget that Epstein.
We know for a fact that Epstein has deep ties
to intelligence. We know not only FBI, but c I
A and Masade our homie, Jason Burmas has done a
fantastic job exposing that as well. I was about to say,
as well as his ties to arms dealers with Ehud

(51:14):
Barak and you know, with UH with Virginia, you know,
coming from you know, Trump land, the Maral Largo estate,
the connections with Trump and Epstein, with c I A,
all of these sorts of things you know, let us uh,
you know, take take that into consideration with you know,
all of this that's going on, because you know, people,

(51:38):
you know, we should not be pretending that you know,
Trump is is also not himself connected with Zionism, with
the Israeli government, hardcore Zionists, you know. And so we're
we're talking about these connections here that very much potentially
lead to you know it speculating here being fully open
with everybody. It can go all the way up to

(52:00):
the White House, it can go all you know, because
we know for a fact we had I can't remember
the gentleman's name, but there was a journalist for I
believe the Daily Beast that came out either a year ago,
two years ago with audio recordings prior that were recorded
between him and Epstein prior to Epstein's suicide, prior to

(52:21):
him even going down. So these recordings are from like
twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, where Epstein is describing intricate details
of what is going on in the Trump White House,
shortly after Trump's victory in twenty sixteen. So completely blows
out the argument that Trump and Epstein weren't you know,
after two thousand and eight, they weren't buddies anymore. Epstein
had inner the knowledge of intimate inner workings of the

(52:44):
White House, of Trump's White House in twenty seventeen. Yes
they were still friends. Yes he was still going there.
So you know, all of these things happening. And with
the the Epstein files, syop going on with Pam Bondi,
with this current Trump administration, it leads to the plausibility that,
like I said, it could potentially go very far up

(53:05):
the poll. And like I said, I'm speculating, but it's
something that people should look into.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
Well, that's the other thing too, is that Virginia and
her dad were working at mar A Lago. That's how
Epstein discovered her. That's like the whole thing. But I
think that it's a perfect cover for this to be
Virginia's husband. He has a history of abuse. There's a
literally a police record file from January ninth that proves

(53:38):
that he busted her septum, blackened her eye, blackened her temple,
which is exactly what she would look like in this photo,
which is from March thirtieth. It's the way that it
was described in that police report, is exactly what she
looks like here on March thirtieth, and she's supposedly in

(54:01):
the hospital. Okay, so we have the evidence that he
was abusive, and then she ends up dead, right, Like,
why is there no why is there at least not
an investigation on his behalf. I mean, look at Scott Peterson.
Scott Peterson got arrested and convicted over just nothing but
circumstantial evidence. Now, whether you agree with the conviction of

(54:23):
Scott Peterson or not, that's besides the point. He got
convicted on the murder of his wife with nothing but
circumstantial evidence. And this People magazine article is literally nothing
but circumstantial evidence, comments from the family, the proof of
the abuse that she suffered, that she's been abused for
ten years, and then she ends up.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
Dead here though, right open and close case, no problem.
We got this almost like you know, they're being told
what to do. Kind of reminds me about like when
Epstein hung himself and the camera's automatically shut off magically
and no one heard or saw anything. The two guys
that were in charge at that point got promotions later on,

(55:05):
and you know it's just right, so no, but nothing
to see here, guys, you'll have that great promotion. You know,
it comes from top down, and you're gonna be quiet
about it. We're a good old boy club, probably a
fraternal organization. We're doing handshakes under the table, and this
is this is what the world comes to when they
want to silence you. You don't ask questions. You want
to be promoted, and if you take the fall, guess

(55:26):
what you get promoted up right now. It is interesting
when we had Larry Nichols on the show, which was
Bill Clinton's former bodyguard, he always would say that they
would find people who were somewhat you know, that they
could expose and hold something against them, almost blackmail, and
they'd get him into positions of power as a reward
if they did what they said, and they would kind

(55:48):
of extort them. And that's what was kind of what
his claims were to us at the Rundown Live right
before he passed. He claimed to be a hitman for
the Clintons as very interesting individual and he definitely did
want to see Hillary get elected and that was his
last box to stand on before he passed, and he
passed and she didn't get elected. So it's kind of

(56:08):
an interesting situation. But it's how these organizations and agencies
work right, They're gonna abuse her. They're going to keep
her alive as long as she's useful. It's a trauma bond.
It's almost textbook a satanica cult MK ultra. I'm not
gonna even lie. It's a trauma bond. It's building personalities.
It's abuse, and it looks like abuse so bad that

(56:29):
like that doesn't look like if she was really beaten
that bad. That looks like she was knocked the f out, you.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
Know, Yeah, she looks severely beaten. And it's just a
coincidence that the reason that she even met her husband,
Robert Giffrey, was from Jeffrey Epstein. She goes to Thailand
to be a massage therapist, a massuse, meets him, gets
married to him. Ten years later, gets out of the
whole situation, doesn't contact Jeffrey Epstein or Jesselene Maxwell ever again.

(56:59):
So she gets out of a ten year abusive rape,
being trafficked to all of these high up royalties, all
of these politicians. She had dirt on all these people.
She knew everything that went on there. That Project Veritas
video from the hot mic with what was her name,
Amy Roeboch did you guys see that video with a

(57:23):
Project Veritas where they got her on a hot mic
where that she was seeing that they had the Virginia
story for ABC. Yes, there's an ABC News hot mic and.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
She said, who's that Jeffrey Epstein. Nobody knows who that is,
or at least that's what their response was.

Speaker 6 (57:37):
Right, that's right. And she said that that she had
Bill Clinton, she had like all these people. And then
it's just a coincidence that she gets out of the
Jeffrey Epstein situation that she's been in for ten years,
that she's being trafficked to all these people, and then
she gets into another abusive relationship where she's been beaten

(57:58):
and tortured for ten years. Yeah, and then she gets suicided,
just like how her abuser, Jeffrey Epstein was suicided. Right, Like,
it's like a big it's like a big middle finger.
That's like the last middle finger.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
It very much is. And you know, people can you know,
still to this day, you know, they debate about, you know,
what actually happened to Epstein? Was he suicided?

Speaker 4 (58:27):
You know?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Is he actually secretly on an island somewhere and they
wepped his body away whatever, you know. But we know
for a fact that the intelligence agencies, like the CIA
are very experienced with getting rid of people like that.
I mean we just look at, you know, somebody completely unrelated,
you know, Gary Webb for example, you know, expose the

(58:48):
CIA drug running, you know, involvement in the crack epidemic,
all of that, and he was, you know, he committed
suicide in two thousand and four with two bullet wounds
to the back of his head, and yet the police
are like, oh, yep, nothing here.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
I think he was on Alex Jones' show saying like
people like like people are propelling off of his roof
or something like that. I don't remember. Something weird. He
was on Alex Jones's Info Wars back then, and he
was saying that, like, I think people were like tampering
under his car and the FEDS are visiting his relatives.
I could be getting that mixed up with Michael Hastings too.

(59:23):
Those stories are somewhat similar but different, right.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, yeah, very much. So. Yeah, there's a great movie.
I can't remember what the name of the movie is.
Jeremy Renner stars Kill the Messenger. I think so, I
think so, But yeah, Jeremy Renner plays Gary Webb in
that movie. Great movie for anybody that hasn't seen it,
because it does as as someone who has, uh, you know,
researched heavily into Gary Webb's history, and you know, I

(59:48):
look up to the guys as you know, a pinnacle
of journalism is something that anybody that any journalist should
aspire to be along with the likes of you know,
say Julian Massage. The movie did a really good job
of portrait praying his you know that that whole circumstance.
But point being, we know that these agencies could just
outright till somebody with two shots in the back of

(01:00:09):
the head and then just say, oh yeah, nothing to
the first one.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
Didn't do it, you know, second right, right, So what's
your thought on the writer? What's your thought on the
Epstein suicide dash? Uh, you know, the whole thing was
kind of weird because I remember just prior he got
I would wouldn't call it a conjugal visit, but a
rather attractive young female came for him to sign his

(01:00:33):
papers and she spent eight hours with him.

Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
Yeah, the whole Epstein thing is uh, super interesting. I
think that has really been. You know, I don't know
if there's much that I can say about it that
hasn't already been sad. I mean, if if he didn't,
you know, kill himself, then he was definitely murdered. If
he wasn't murdered, then they switched out his body and
that wasn't really him several people.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
That's interesting because you know, nowadays with the facial recognition,
they could just find some false positives and then kill
that old dude and switch out the body. Right, I'm
just kind of going on like I'm a normal guy.
I'm not a genius. So if I thought of that,
you know that the agencies have something made ten times better,
and he could be on some island with Osama bin
Laden and dam Hussein, right, just kicking it back and

(01:01:20):
you know, joking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Well the tweet, I was going to say, you know,
there was that issue with you know some of the
photos that we have where the ear lobes didn't match.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
Right, I remember that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
Yeah, Yeah, it's very interesting. And this tweet from Virginia
happened right after the Jeffrey Epstein thing in twenty nineteen. Okay,
So and I believe her here. I believe in what
she's saying. Here, she's saying, I'm making a publicly known
the no way, shape or form, am I suicidal. And

(01:01:53):
for someone to make a statement like that, you have
to be very confident that nothing in the future is
ever going to happen to you to where to make
you get to the point that you're going to commit suicide.
You're not going to make a statement like that without
being one percent confident that you're never going to commit suicide. Okay,

(01:02:15):
So I think that we should take her statement here
as fact and as truth. And I don't think that
we should let this thing go. I think we should
keep pounding this into the ground because this is a
human being. The circumstances around this whole thing gets crazier
and crazier the more you dig into it, the more
you look into the bus stuff. And even with Giselene Maxwell, like,

(01:02:39):
she's in a low security prison in Florida right now.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
Man, I call it a resort. Gallaine Maxwell. I got
to see her, you know, while I covered the trial
for five weeks and I talked to her sister. Man, Yeah,
she she went from hardcore to you know, prison. She
complained about it, and now she's eating like organic and
vegan food while doing yoga in jail. Yeah, security prison
to be a lawyer or something, I can't remember.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Yeah, she gets out in twenty years. She only got
a twenty year sentence, which I don't understand why she
didn't life in prison without parole.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
Yeah, pedophile, right, And imagine if anyone else would have
been a pedophile, they probably would have been life in jail.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
Yep, life in prison. I mean that's what she deserves
to be in there, the most hardcore prison in the
freaking United States.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, of course. And and you know, it's it's a
lot can be said about that because I remember, you know,
when that whole trial was going on. Of course, you know,
Chrissan was there in New York, and you know I was,
you know, here helping cover it remotely with the rundown
line and all this sort of stuff. And you know,
one of the things that just pissed me off about

(01:03:47):
that whole thing is like, you know, if we're gonna
you know, circle it back to the Epstein files, you know,
just for a moment here, you know, when Maxwell was
on trial, you know, Trump literally got up in front
of everybody like, oh, you know, I wish you're, well,
you know so and so, and I'm like, look, I understand, like,
you know, there's this thing called optics, and oh, you know,

(01:04:07):
you've got to maintain professionalism. But you don't wish a
serial pedophile sex trafficker, Oh I wish her. Well, just
don't say anything at all. If that's the case. Point is,
if this administration actually gave a shit about justice for
their victims, why not initiate something to put her in
a harsher prison. But of course he's not going to

(01:04:28):
do that the same way they're not actually releasing any files.

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
Yeah, Virginia Thomas was actually a Virginia Tima sorry Rginia
Floridian slip there, but she was actually coming out.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
She did a.

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
Show after Maxwell had been captured. And no one knows
about my No one's even seen a picture of Maxwell
that really this entire time, like it's all been drawings,
it's all been things that have come out. No one
really knows what's going on with her. The wasn't the
court the court findings, wasn't that sealed. No one really

(01:05:05):
knows what went down, what she actually said, And Virginia
is on record saying that Maxwell is just as dangerous,
if not more dangerous than Jeffrey Epstein. She's the one
that has access to all the videos. She's the one
that has all the blackmail stuff on all the politicians
and all the royalty.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
You know what's interesting, Writerly you might not know this,
but now you will. I released all the stenographers, witness
testimonies of everything that was said for by all the
victims on the Rundown Line. Very few people know this.
We paid dearly. We we literally I had to literally
reach out to somebody I know that worked in the
government at the time, and they reached out to the

(01:05:46):
New York stenographer who refused to email them to me
except for from a different laptop and a remote location
that was not affiliated with the Internet. And that individual
went in for some money. And I don't know if
we just saying that's from understanding how we got it somehow,
I don't remember if, because you're supposed to be able

(01:06:06):
to just buy it from the stenographer a dollar a page, right,
but nobody could get a hold of it. Nobody. I
was able to get a hold of her by reaching
out to another government person who called over there like
it was a normal work call and said, oh, by
the way, can you get this? And they agreed to
it and we got it somehow and we published it.
So it's pretty interesting. So if you want to ever
read through those to read what was said in the

(01:06:28):
work cases, it's all there. It's all the Rundown live.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
I would love to I would love to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
I knew that you were at the at the trial,
but I didn't know that you actually had access to
all that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Yeah, well we had to pay so well, we raised
the money, right, so we raised about six thousand dollars
and I spent every dime on the trial. They like,
maybe some of it went to Burger here and there,
but other than that, I was out there for five
or six weeks. It's not cheap to stay in New
York right to cover these things, and people like supported me.
I was on different platforms. Press for Truth, help Dan Dix,

(01:07:02):
you know, we Info Wars. I was on Owens Troyer's
War Room. I was I think I was on the
Alex Jones Show. I don't remember Harrison Smith. I was
for sure on you know, I was on the BBC.
I was on a news station talking about you know,
the camp, the musical camp where Jeffrey Epstein would go
for the performing arts in Michigan. I can't remember the

(01:07:22):
name of the location off the top of my head,
but he'd groom and find their victims there quite often,
amongst other things. I was on the you know AMFM there.
But the point of the matter is is we were
able to use all that money to amplify the information
when there were times I was the only reporter there,
that was the only reporter that went every day. I
know that there was days that we that I was

(01:07:44):
the only reporter that well, maybe Citizen Free Press was there,
I don't know if he missed the day, but I
was there every day. I didn't miss a single day.
I was the only person in the room at one
point that was the news person.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Yeah, and you know, it really speaks to the importance
of the work that we do as well, doesn't it,
Because I remember I have a distinct memory of when
we were covering it during that time.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I had an old friend of mine from high school
reach out to me, and he and I have had
plenty of times got into arguments on Facebook. We have
very different political ideologies and whatnot. You know, he leans
I don't know about now, but back then he certainly
leaned more socialists, And of course I've always been more
of a libertarian anarchist kind of person, and we've never
really seen eye eye on a lot of things. But

(01:08:27):
he reached out to me when we were covering the
Epstein Maxwell trial and he said, you know, me and
you usually don't agree on a lot, but I'm sending
a donation to the Rundown Live dot com because I
appreciate what you guys are doing, and despite the fact
that we disagree on pretty much everything else, I'm glad
that y'all are doing that help bring those mfors down.

(01:08:47):
And he sent a donation, you know, And so it's like,
it's that right there, just exemplifies how important it is.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
It's unifying to take down bad people's let's let's talk
about it. I mean, that's what made Joanes successful, That's
what made Rigkowski and many of these other people successful.
This is what makes everybody successful is exposing the darkness,
bringing light to it as all the cockroaches scurry away
and try to cover it up, and they character assassinate you,

(01:09:15):
they come after your platform, they try to shut you down,
they try to shut you up The problem is the
gears are in motion. So many people have become awake
in the last fifteen or twenty years since we've been
doing this, Like we started off the show talking about writer.
It's wild to me to think that fifteen years ago
I could go talk to the military guy and be like, yeah,
there's a drone program and they'd be like, there is

(01:09:35):
no drone program, and now you can buy them at
best Buy. You know, it's just well, it blows my mind,
like the amount of brainwashing. Oh oh, you know Voice
of God technology, I've never heard of that. There's no
such thing. You can meet some military guy and be like,
how do you know that? It's kind of a military secret.
We all whispers of, everyone talks about it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
It's just one of those things where now everyone is
just up to date. I feel like I'm on a
behind because we're usually ahead of everyone. We're the forecast
in the future. But everyone is slowly here. They're quickly
catching up, and a lot of them are going down
some of these dangerous rabbit holes. I'm gonna be honest,
there's a lot of I mean, q On is an
example of a dangerous rabbit hole, right basically a honey
trap by the government to identify extremists, and if they

(01:10:17):
can get them to do it, then they can just
arrest the hole slew. Not only that, we can go
ahead and make child trafficking not a big deal because
it's a QA non conspiracy. Right now, we have a
way to transition and discredit anyone that says, well, there's
a problem hundreds of thousands of children go missing every year.
If you don't believe me, look up that statistic. It's crazy.
But if you want to say that, they're gonna be like, oh,
you're just tinfoil hack qan on. It's a syop and

(01:10:41):
it's a battle for your mind. They want to pin
everyone they can to that fake conspiracy, which seemed like
a government honeypot set up by Blue Anon leftists cackers
developing a forum, and the government just used it to
their benefit. It's funny. The people responsible, I don't think
ever got a visit, and we've had them on the
show talking about how they created this for that purpose.
It's wild to me because people then once they started

(01:11:03):
to ban and censor US independent news artists, they got
two million views the day, sometimes more, sometimes less, and
they censored all of us people were responsible for getting
their own news, which is great, but a lot of
people weren't ready to understand what the truth is and
what the misinformation is, and we're led right down a
bad rabbit hole. It's interesting, and not only that, to.

Speaker 6 (01:11:26):
Your point about some of the things that people who
have been talking about for early a long long time
and them becoming true. We're seeing that right now with
the kimtrail stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
Well weather model, you don't read, it's the same.

Speaker 6 (01:11:36):
Thing people have been talking about for early long time.
Everyone disc kinded to know there's no way that they
can do that, there's no way that they're really spraying
things in the air. And then it turns out that
they really are spraying things.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
And writer, did you see that you can pay one
hundred and ten thousand dollars and have the weather controlled
for your wedding. You want a sunny day, you can
just pay for it.

Speaker 6 (01:11:51):
Oh the sun simulator, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Yeah, you can just you know, well, it's not assimilar.
You can literally have them spray something in the sky
and make it sunny for you for your wedding day.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
Oh yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
It's wild and and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
It's well back stratospheric aerosol injections for those who want
to look up the baton, you want to know what
they are using. And it's crazy because it's they're talking
about dimming the sun now writer, and one of the
main ways they want to do it is the chemtrail
conspiracy all along aluminum and bary on Welsbach stratospheric aerosol
in genction, the exactly thing we've been worrying warning about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Yeah, and you know, right to the you know, like
in the same vein of this conversation I read earlier today,
you know, James Corbett just put out a fantastic article
on his on his website actually, uh, talking about the
nine to eleven Truth movement and how now we have
people like these propagandasts like Tucker Carlson, uh, you know,

(01:12:46):
and then this stuff sort of sort of starting to
become mainstream because now they're talking about like nine to
eleven truth and the you know, the collapse of Will
Trade Center seven, and it's sort of becoming mainstream. And
the whole point of Corbett's article is like, well, now
they're going to start gaslighting you and saying, you know,
and just completely ignoring uh, you know the fact that
Carlson completely denied nine eleven truth for years completely. You know,

(01:13:07):
Matt guys like Matt Tayebe another mainstream alternative hack is
you know, he's he's done some great things, sure, but
he's definitely being propped up as you know mainstream alternative
media look here, but not their type shit, you know.
And uh, you know, as Corbett was pointing out, you
know it's it's he he made those parallels during his
article about you know, once you were told that kim

(01:13:29):
trails aren't real. But then okay, well, actually sure stratskak
Arisol and Jackson's are real. And oh the Builder Berg
groups not real. Actually the Builder group Burg Group is reel.
Here's its website. Now all the new the new world
orders not real. But here are all these politicians talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
And we got to edit the Wikipedia page to make
new two new world orders, the law conspiracy theories think
and now the liberal world order, which is what they're
really talking about as the new world order. You know,
it's to me like these like these ideologies, it's always
hidden in playing view. And when we start talking about
all these different things like you mentioned weather modification, stratospheric injections.

(01:14:06):
You know, you can talk about all these brain ship
interfaces and getting rid of the cash list system and
cameras on the street quarters not the cameras everywhere, like
over and over, the whole idea and awareness of people
has grown quite a bit, and I think people are
a lot smarter. But at the same time, I question,
you know a lot of times where people get their

(01:14:27):
information and I've been wrong, I've been embarrassingly wrong, and
that's what makes me get it right the next time
is I don't want to ever look dumb. I want
to make sure people get genuine information and right information.
And when we're talking about this Jeffrey Epstein trial, you know,
Alex Jones was one of the first people on this
talking about this years ago, and it's interesting to see

(01:14:47):
just how all of this is going down right now.
And then it's unfortunate with this case in scenario with
Virginia Roberts that she had passed because she was such
a courageous female to you know, take on these giant
establishment on you know, people that couldn't be taken down
were taken down by Virginia Roberts, and she probably paid

(01:15:07):
for it. With their life. I'm saying it smells and
it's stinky. I don't know what happened, but I'm not
buying the official narrative. That's where I'm landing on this
Virginia Roberts thing. Right early.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
I think that we need to create a hashtag the
Virginia Roberts. Virginia Gifrey did not kill herself because one
hundred percent I am in the camp that her husband
had something to do with this now, regardless if he
was directly responsible for her death. And this is an

(01:15:38):
article by that is trying to give you a little
bit more information on Robert Giuffrey, but there's literally nothing
on him. You can't find anything on him online. He's
literally a ghost. You don't know. You can't find a
birth certificate, no information about him. All you know is
that he is a martial artist and he was in
Thailand when Jeffrey Epstein sent Virginia to tie a land

(01:16:00):
to becoming a seuss and then they got married ten
days later. That's it. That's all the information you can
find out about it. But this whole case is so interesting.
It's a really big deal. If I am correct in
my analysis, which I believe that I am somewhere in
the ballpark of being right about this. The implications of
that are really huge. This can be a really really

(01:16:23):
big story. And if there's not an investigation on this
man soon, if they do not do an investigation on
this man soon, in five years, this is going to
be a Netflix.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Documentary and he's gonna end up dead. One of those two.
Right to get the money. That seems to be the
mo right, you got the money. They let her be
for seven eight years, and then Kapui and the same
thing with him. He's going to get that money as
part of it. He's not useful anymore, goodbye, unless he
takes that money and just disappears. But you know, it's funny.
He's as missing as those old George Sorrow sixty minute

(01:16:57):
videos where he talked about how happy it was for
he was to turn in his Jewish brothers while working
for the Nazis, which completely just disappeared off the internet.
One of those interesting things that can just be scrubbed.
And this guy, you said he was a martial arts
expert too on top of it, Yeah, he was.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
A martial arts expert. That's where they met was in Thailand,
which is kind of strange. It's weird. It seems like
a setup between Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein set this whole
entire scenario up. It's I don't even I've tried to
be digging into him for like all day and I cannot.
I've tried, ai like I've tried. I've grocked him, I've

(01:17:35):
chaed gbted him, I've googled him. Nothing. And another thing
that's really strange is any of the articles that are
mentioning that Jeffrey Epstein was essentially responsible for them meeting
is starting to be scrubbed. They're starting to scrub this
off of the internet. Every article that mentions that Jeffrey

(01:17:59):
Epstein is essentially responsible for sending Virginia to be a messusean,
that's how he met that's how she met Robert in Thailand.
I cannot find an article that has that exact same
thing in it. Every article that I find that supposedly
has the statement that that is true in it is

(01:18:19):
a bad jate way link, or it's a completely different article.
There's one thing that that you click on that supposedly
has the statement in it that has nothing to do
with it. It was a soccer article. It's talking about soccer,
like what are they doing right now?

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
You know interestingly? So, you know, just as someone you
know myself that has uh, you know, spent a considerable
amount of time of my not only career but life,
you know, looking into the nefarious you know, underbelly of
intelligence agencies. You know, that's the one thing that really
does stick out to me is the fact that he's
a complete ghost on the Internet, because from my experience,

(01:18:58):
that is exactly how how intelligence agencies handle their assets,
is that they make sure they are unfindable on the Internet.
They turned to ghosts.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
Yeah. I remember when we had Wikipedia pages and we
were trying to understand why our stuff kept going down
and we could trace it back to the Pentagon. This
was Mike Picchesney and I maybe ten fifteen years ago.
And you know, one of those organizations that can make
things disappear like that online is a government agency. You know,

(01:19:28):
there are companies you can pay to have stuff pulled down.
I don't know what they do, if they serve people
or they email them or what, but or pay them off.
I'm not quite sure. If you got a lot of money,
I think you can make things disappear. But I know
that the Pentagon seems to be an authority that can
make things just you know, go away, like our Wikipedia page,
like my Wikipedia page, all these things, you know, David

(01:19:50):
Ike's Wikipedia page. They all disappeared at the same time,
and it seemed they all came from I believe the Pentagon,
somebody Mike was telling me. I don't know. I looked
into it and I tried to understand it. At the time.
I didn't know as much as I do about computers now,
but it's interesting. I do believe a government agency or
any kind of government doesn't even have to be American government.
It doesn't have to be the Pentagon. This could be
the UK or whoever, just say, paying to have it scrubbed,

(01:20:12):
working in cohoots with our intelligence making things happen. And
they Stullvin released all the data you know we're waiting on.
That was a Pam BONDI says that she got stonewalled.
We got a bunch of nothing burgers to eat and
yum yum, yum yum. And now they got some more
information and they disseminated it amongst some FBI JITs to review.
Because you know who I don't think anyone wants to

(01:20:33):
review the child pran and all that other crazy stuff
that might be in Jeffrey Epstein's fourteen terabytes. It just
sounds disgusting. And they're saying that there's hundreds, over one
hundred new victims that are going to be identified, So
we'll see if that actually happens, right, guys, See, this.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Article states that Virginia met her husband over too decades ago.
They reported their first cross pals while at a massage
school in Thailand in twenty twenty two. Ain't got married
that same year. This does not mention that she was
sent to Thailand by Jeffrey Epstein. Right, Okay, now, yeah,

(01:21:11):
and I know all that I have is a screenshot
of that because there isn't any article here.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
On Let me see if I'm about on the way
back machine.

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
I didn't try it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
Some of our articles have disappeared over the years too,
and just the way back machine is so useful, especially
if you're like I wrote about this. I don't know
what happened to this article that was on our website,
and then I'll find on the way back machine. But
if it's been scrubbed, you can scrub from the way
back Machine. I know that because I was a New
Year's Eve. There was a like airtable account that had

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a bunch of anti fuck kids and about one hundred,
two hundred and fifty conservative protesters that said, hey, if
you see these guys in January six, let us know
where they are. And that airtable account disappeared as well
as from the way back machine. And I don't know
anyone but government agencies that really has that ability.

Speaker 6 (01:22:04):
Yeah. And this is a screenshot from an article here
that says that Virginia Giffrey met her husband, Robert Giffrey,
while taking massage training in Thailand in two thousand and two.
Arranged by Jeffrey Epstein. She was instructed to bring a
tie girl back to the United States, but instead fell
in love with Robert and married him ten days later,

(01:22:27):
according to the BBC, and they later moved to Australia
and had three children. Now, if you were to click
on this BBC article that has a link here, this
isn't the I can't click on it because this is
a screenshot. I couldn't bring it up and unless it
was a screenshot. But if you tried to click on
this link, it would be a bad gateway article like.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
Here, like somebody wanted it to pull, like they don't
want you to know. Have that article pulled. We don't
want to talk about it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
Yeah, because it implicates that he was somehow involved with Epstein.
And then if you tie that back into all the
abuse from the People article that happened a week after
she was in the hospital where she's saying that she's
been abused by him for ten years, the police report
that happened on the eighth of January where she was
almost beat to death, and then she went to the hospital,

(01:23:13):
filed a police report, no charges wherever brought to Robert Gifferi,
and then he filed a report saying that she was
the one that abused him and so it's typical guysliding.
And then she got her kids taken away from her
because of that restraining order that he filed claiming that
she was the one that beat him.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
Wow, crazy writer Lee. Thank you for joining us, man.
Is there anything else you want to cover before we
let you go? I don't want to have to keep you.
I'd love to keep you here for the remaining half hour,
but if you got stuff to do, I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
For just popping in and talking about this, because I
know you've been pumping out these videos left and right,
and we want to give you a channel a plug
as well, and we'll put it on the screen. But
I just want to make sure if there's anything else
that you wanted to cover on this, that we could
go ahead and give you an opportunity to talk about
this here.

Speaker 6 (01:24:07):
Thank you so much for having me on. I know
it was last minute. I just kind of messaged you
because we've been talking earlier about this and my research
into it. If people are interested to check out my
channel Raised by Giants on YouTube and any and all
podcast platforms, and I'm actually going live doing a third
episode on this, and I'm going to cover some of
the things that we just talked about here on my

(01:24:27):
channel as well, because I haven't got to do that
for my viewers yet. But thanks so much for having
me on. Guys, Really appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
Problem love me add this to the stage. Guys, Guys,
check this out Raised by Giants. Great individual writer Lee
and I met in rightly. Please refreshment worry. It was
the Contact in the Desert.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
Contact in the Desert last year. It'll be almost a
year here coming up, and it's kind of up in
the air, not one.

Speaker 5 (01:24:54):
I don't think I'm gonna make it this year. It
sounds like there's a lot of other stuff I could
be covering and doing, but I think it's gonna be
a great event. My buddy D'Antonio will be there speaking,
and there's plenty of other great people on there, but
Writer Lee, thank you very much. Check out his YouTube
follow him Raised by Giants, Writer Lee. We have to
get you back on and definitely we'd love to come
join you sometime as well. Maybe we can talk giant

(01:25:14):
human skeletons or Don likes to talk Norse pagan religions
because that's you know, he loves his Norse gods and
stuff like that, So if you ever want to talk
about that stuff, I'd love to join you or our
culture Secret Societies love to have you on. Writer Lee.
Thank you again for joining us.

Speaker 6 (01:25:29):
Thank you guys very much. Really appreciate him. I'd love
to have you guys on anytime. I'll be in contact talk.

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
The sounds good. Writer Lee from Raised by Giants joining us,
and you know, it's great to have him on. He's
been We've been trying to do something for about a year.
It makes me a horrible person. I feel, you know,
it's been a year and I could get him on
or I would kind of jump on his show. But
we got to make those efforts to reach out and
be on a lot of shows. We could be on
a lot of shows. But this all brings it and

(01:25:55):
winds us down to this story here, which is a
very sad story. And it's sad to me because when
we started the show, we talked about our fondess how
Alex Jones impacted independent media and I should say fondest
info War's memories and stuff like that. But this article
is why we started the show off talking about that,
and that is the Connecticut Supreme Court declined to hear

(01:26:18):
Alex jones appeal of one billion dollars Sandy Hook verdict.
They refused to hear his give him his opportunity to
defend himself. And the question is is why is it
a kangaroo court? The Connecticut judge and jury awarded the
relatives I think something ridiculous one point four billion dollars
just because he asked questions around Sandy Hook. He just

(01:26:40):
asked some questions and it just so happened. Some other
people did some kookie stuff based off of fortune or
was it Reddit back in the day? Is probably before
a fortune and redd it back in the day and
harassing family members, and then they went ahead and sued
the guy with the money, which was Jones. And what's
crazy is Freddie may and or Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mack people committed suicide, the banks collapses and they were

(01:27:02):
awarded a much less than this. And all Alex Jones
did is ask if you know Sandy Hook could have
been a government driller training, which has been shown to
happen in the past where they've done these fake drills
with crisis actors and they get reported as real news.
It happens, it happens. There's nothing wrong to ask about this.
It's nothing out like what's wrong with asking questions about

(01:27:23):
the evidence. It doesn't mean that you have to agree
with the conclusion. But the families went after Jones are like, oh,
Jones asking questions and look, he probably made money off
of this, so they suit him for it. And basically
Alex Jones infos maybe done this week, might go into
next week, but maybe done this week. And if you

(01:27:45):
guys want to check out info Wars and get sentimental.
That includes ban dot Video. Now that's a platform which
we've continuously trended well on, at least for a couple hours,
sometimes the whole day. We've been near to the top
of the hottest video on the platform. It's given us
hundreds of thousands of views, one hundred thousand a month
that we were posting every show up there. And I

(01:28:05):
just posted a video and we were in the hot
section that as well, maybe going away. So I want
you guys to know where you can find us. Rumble
dot com, Ford Slash, the Rundown Live, kgrdb dot com
is our syndication. And I hear the Alex the Real
Alex Jones Network will be springing off off of info War.
So it doesn't mean that it's over. Just means that

(01:28:25):
this chapter the Information War is over and Alex Jones
is going to reinvent himself. I'm guessing, as you know,
Prominent Voice and conservative talk radio because that's the direction
where he's been going. As where we've been trying to
tell you it doesn't matter to the right and the
left or funded by the same multinational corporatus. Now is
there major change are we in a different level of

(01:28:47):
you know, interest thing things with Donald Trump. Absolutely, but
we've always warned about the warning about executive orders and
all that stuff. But I'm gonna have to say, Don,
it's gonna be sad to watch INFO Wars go. There's
a lot of people out there that are like, God.

Speaker 6 (01:29:01):
Shut it down.

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
But at one point, almost seventy million people tuned in
to Alex Jones. And now just about everybody today that
I know is a small imitation and a version and
somewhere in their heart has an Alex Jones there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Right, Yeah, you know, and obviously you know if we
have time to time forward or if not. You know,
in previous shows for long time watchers, everybody knows that
I have my own faults and opinions. And if you
if you follow me on Twitter, you've seen my.

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
More abrasive John is brutally honest. If he doesn't agree
with you, he's gonna let you know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
He's not feah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
It doesn't mean that he ever agree with Don or
Alex Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Right. My point is, My point is though, so I
you know, Alex Jones is still, regardless of whether or
not I have my issues now has played such a
major pivotal role in inspiring so many people, myself included.
I mean I saw, you know, or rather you saw
just last night.

Speaker 7 (01:30:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
You know, I'm starting to attempt to try to revamp
my Facebook page. Break the Matrix, That's what I started
my reporting on back in twenty fifteen. A lot of
people don't know. I think I've only mentioned it on
this show once. My concept for the name Break the
Matrix my original you know Facebook, you know, my original

(01:30:29):
journalistic presence. I got that name from an Alex Jones quote,
you know, back when Info Wars was still on Facebook there,
you know, they posted this quote image of something that
Alex had said said, if you want to fight the
New World Order. I wish I could remember it verbatim,
but it's it's basically something along the lines of you
want to fight the New World Order and fight back

(01:30:50):
against the globalists, then you know, get outside, go climb
a mountain, you know, be human, do something great today.
Go and break the Matrix. Was was the asked, like
a little part of that quote from Alex, And I
was like, yeah, hell yeah, And that's where my idea
for the name came from. And you know, like even then,

(01:31:13):
you know, like et prior to that, you know, back
in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you know, I was listening
to Aja almost every single day to the point where
I remember this back in like twenty fifteen, I'm up
in the kitchen. It's early in the morning, I'm making breakfast.
The Alex Jones Show is on. I'm playing it on
my phone. I'm making some food. My mom comes in
the kitchen and she was like, you know, and I'm

(01:31:35):
really starting to get into journalism at this point, really
just starting to sort of kickstart pursuing that dream. And
she's just like, yeah, one day, you're probably gonna be like.

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
Him, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
And now here I am on the rundown live very much,
you know, to the thanks of Christaan for you know,
letting me be here for the three years that I've
been here, you know, and.

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
No, thank you for putting up with me for three
years and being dedicated most other things. Like we're not
going anywhere, folks, Neither are the people over at in
for Wars. They're just gonna grow out and they're gonna
have to, like I said, they're gonna have to do
new things much like we did here, right they're gonna
be growing and going in their own directions, and I
think they're gonna be working together. I'm sure of it

(01:32:17):
at some level. And I think that we should really
pay attention to how things evolve. I think it will
be interesting and I'm kind of curious. Don you know
what what does a future hold for the Owen Schroyers,
the Harrison Smith, Chris don T Harris. You know, how
are we gonna all fit into this picture with the
new the real Alex Jones prom not only that, you know,

(01:32:39):
Joe Rogan and all these other people, and there's all
these young kids. I've been looking. There's all these people
doing what we do, and they're doing it more diet
and they're reaching a lot of people. They're just not
they're not covering the things that get them banned. Right,
And that's what you get here. You're forecast in the future.
And that's why you guys hear it here first, right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Yeah, you know, as far as all of that is consarned,
you know, this is sort of where we tread into
that territory where I may say some things that some
people may find unpopular, but like Christan said a moment ago,
you know, I'm not going to bullshit you. I'm going
to call a spade a spade, and I'm going to
call things right down the middle. And you know, I think,
you know, when we look at you know, the term
was originally coined by David Ike and myself, and you know,

(01:33:19):
guys like Derreck Rose have taken up using it the
mainstream alternative media that we're seeing these this rise and
these influencers that are you know, pedaling a lot of
essentially statust nonsense. You know, they're they're pedaling these sort
of propaganda driven narratives that reinforce one side of the dichotomy.

(01:33:40):
And to my point earlier, that is a big issue
with my out with my verbal disasters on air. That
is a big contingent of my issue with Alex now
is that you know, we see him, you know, just
completely and you know, if you follow up David Ike
on Twitter, I mean, David's just dog walking him every day, man,
I mean, he's he's he's really going in uh you know,

(01:34:02):
and then they're you know, like I.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
Never was a big fan of like slandering. People are
going after him, but he's saying what he feels, and
you know what he does a lot of drugs probably too.
Nothing wrong with that, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Know, you know, but my point is, you know, so
we have you know, like Alex Jones, like he's you know,
we're talking mainstream alternative media. AJ is like the pinnacle
of mainstream alternative media. He's always been behind Donald Trump,
and you know, even just recently, you know, within the
past few months. You know, he put out this video
and I saw it because I saw that David I

(01:34:36):
could share it, and he had some sort of commentary
to say about it. I don't remember what David said,
but it was basically Alex saying, if you don't believe
that Donald Trump is fighting the new World order and
he's trying to preserve your freedom, then you just don't
really know what's going on. And that's total nonsense. Anybody
with any real credibility, anybody with any real objectivity that

(01:34:57):
is looking at the deleterious ways that Trump's is is
impacting civil liberties, is impacting constitutional rights. Alex Jones is
a very smart man. He's incredibly intelligent. For him to
sit there and pretend like Trump is not working with
this system is one hundred percent disingenuous and dishonest, and
I'm like I said, I.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
Think there's definitely a battle going on in the system.
Don Like, I'm going to take you back on what
you said here because I think that there's a different
fact factions struggling for power, right, Yeah, And so we
got to at.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
The end of the day, both of those factions. The
point is, at the end of the day, both of
those factions are still serving the same agenda. They're still
serving technocracy's goal. For anyone that's looked into the history
of technocracy, the agendas and the motivations of people like
Curtis Jarvin, I mean even the Great American Technatee, which
was an agenda back in the nineteen thirties that Elon
Musk's grandfather was involved in. Technocracy is the core. It

(01:35:56):
is the foundational, fundamental core of what is driving the
new world order, the globalist agenda, the World Economic Forum
and all of it, and the Trump administration right now
with this whole pallanteer Peter feel you know, Builderberg Steering Committee,
Elon Musk doge nonsense is advocating technocracy under a faux

(01:36:20):
packs Americana under a foe or we're getting rid of bureaucracy,
but they're getting rid of the bureaucracy with DOGE and
replacing it with technocracy. And anyone who's you know, reads
Whitney Webb's articles over at Unlimited Hangout follows, you know,
our homie Derek Brose is reporting what we're doing on
the you know, at the Free Thought Project and so

(01:36:40):
many others you know, and you know in the greater
you know, Independent uh was it the Independent Media Alliance.
That's Derek and Whitney and many others. You know, the
guys over at Geopolitical Economy or not.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
I don't think that they liked that. I'm on in
Forest Bone.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Here, you know, you know, the guys over at you know,
Geopolitics and Empire, Ryan Christian over at the Last American Vagabond,
you know, James Corbett, you know, all these fantastic people
with great credentials truth stream media and whatnot, you know,
pointing out these undeniable facts and point is, you know,

(01:37:16):
circling back to what we were saying. Alex Jones a
very smart man. He's not stupid. He's aware of all
these facts that he is choosing to ignore them, and
that that is the crux one of them. The main
crux of my issue with him, he's deliberately choosing to
ignore these things to push a part as an agenda.
And you know, if I'm to bring up something that

(01:37:36):
I said on Twitter previously, you know, if I'm going
to be a little abrasive with it. I said on
Twitter a couple of months ago two thousand and five,
Alex Jones would beat the shit out of twenty twenty
five Alex Jones for what he turned into. Because I remember, I.

Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Know Jones Hays. Like I said, I know Jones has
He's changed a lot, He's evolved, and we don't know
the endgame yet. I'm not quite sure what that game
is for Alex Jones, and I don't think any one does.
But I will tell you Jones did tell us about
the technocracy. Here it is what you are hearing, folks,
is for the first time.

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
Here it is emergency transmission from deep in the heart
of Texas and the US resistance. Who's a global corporate
combine empowered and funded by Communist China and ally with
the big megabanks that set up Communist China in nineteen
forty nine. The Communist Chinese have taken control of US
telecommunications infrastructure. The communyt Chinese taking control of Hollywood, the
Communy Chinese to control of the main universities.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
Is just all confirmed. This is not a drill. Big
Tech in Silicon Valley is almost.

Speaker 8 (01:38:34):
Completely run by the communist Chinese government. They've officially become
state run Apple. Google is now making the transition and
announcing a merger in total worldwide censorship. They are now
beta testing using me as the straw man, a demonized
version of Alice Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
To do that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:50):
This is happening, he says, not like the other probes
before that.

Speaker 8 (01:38:53):
We're meant to get you used to probes and censorship,
thinking you would adapt the censorship by just putting up
with it. Now, this attack just thousands and thousands and
thousands of times of magnitude of all previous attacks. This
is a tie traded dose reverse psychological warfare operation using
adapt to overcome subversion paradigm manipulation. In Layman's terms, they

(01:39:15):
are manipulating the facts. We adapt to being oppressed. We
adapt to being pressed at the low dosages of oppression.
Now when the megaton hits us of the total takeover,
we try to adapt to the poison infusion. Instead of
not knowing it's a lethal dose, give we accept the
dose total Internet of Things integration, well social score, complete

(01:39:35):
command and control system.

Speaker 5 (01:39:37):
It is the virtual reality.

Speaker 8 (01:39:38):
AI weapon system now attacking the United States, with traders
inside the major security agencies blocking Trump's resistance of the
program and attempting to stop us from removing the tentacles
at the chicam slash big tech pegging combine emergency situation.
I have been chosen for destruction because I brought you
this information and have been battering ramming it out as
much as I can. They want double use me, as

(01:40:01):
they always do in any complex system of mathematical deception,
where every angle of my good is turned against us.
So they take what I've said in sincere building into
an insincere person in the straw man. I'm person that
cares about life and children and is against these wars,
and so they make me a murder of children, and
then they build me into this lie to then set

(01:40:21):
the distraction while they're actually censoring all of you to
make a debate about Alex Jobes.

Speaker 5 (01:40:27):
So even if I needn't sell out.

Speaker 8 (01:40:28):
To them, they now use me as an archetype to
serve them by being the main distraction. I am now
been captured by the enemy in the information of warfare,
fault from.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
And is being used against you.

Speaker 6 (01:40:39):
Totally.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Your fall understanding of this King will break you free
from this paradigm.

Speaker 5 (01:40:44):
I have given you a transformation.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Now break free.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility
against every poor mounted tyranny over the mind of me.
Thomas Jefferson. If you are receiving this transmission, you are
the resistance. Yeah, there it is. Alex Jones been captured

(01:41:13):
by the enemy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
And I think what's so, what's really poignant about that
is that you know, talking about you know, adapting to
poison doses. And you know, again, you know, if we're
just pointing things out, that's exactly what he did.

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
He led, That's what he did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Well, no, what I'm saying is, brother, it is not
a question of whether or not Trump is advancing the
agendas of technocracy. He won. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely is. And
the fact that Alex Jones is choosing to ignore Trump's
role in this is Alex adapting to the dose of
poison the very thing he said that others would. I'm

(01:41:55):
not saying that Alex didn't do great things. He did amazing,
wonderful things. I missed the Alex Jones that called out
Israel for their role in nine to eleven. I missed
the Ice Jones that called out, you know, the Klan
in Texas. I remember when he crashed the Klan rally
in Austin and ran their hooded asses out of Austin. Man,
that was awesome. I missed that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:15):
No, you're right one hundred percent on that, you know,
Alex Jones, Like I said, nowadays different and all the activists,
that's one of the things I mentioned, they've all changed,
They've all evolved into different things. Luke Rodowski remember he'd
face off with these elitists and record them. We are changed.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
And now he's just another mainstream alternative media cup. Who's
you know, hanging out with Tim Poole and you know,
pushing more.

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
You know, out with and Tim Poole. So I'm not
saying that makes me one, you know, but you know
it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
But again, you know, we we look at I don't
mean to keep cutting you off. I apologize for that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
No where are you passionate? That's cool, you know, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
Just I'm just saying, you know, we look at the
stuff that these people are peddling. And again that's not
to say that Luke didn't do great things. I looked
up to Luke for such a long time, and I
still very much appreciate a lot of the work that
he did. But it comes to a point, and we're
at that point now. We cannot allow the need for

(01:43:12):
getting clicks or views or being popular to override our principles.
And that's what a lot of these people have done.

Speaker 5 (01:43:18):
They beaulicks don't come the same way, right, They used
to come by doing honest journalism. And I'm not seeing
this up any of those people. I'm just saying that
they used to come that way, and now you can't
get clicks that way, so people are deviating from it
and you're forced to water down your message. Otherwise you
end up like the Rundown Live where you're not censored anywhere.
But we have a nice home on Alex Jones's band

(01:43:39):
out video, I just want to say that, yeah, and
to my point, allows us to talk about these things exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
And to my point, I still very much have appreciation
for Alex because of that. I'm sure you know, maybe
he watched this show. Maybe he doesn't. I'd be surprised
if you watched every episode. And if he can sit
there and listen to my fat ass run him down
for things that very much deserve to be criticized, and
still let us be on his platform. Thank you, Alex.
I very much appreciate that. I'm not saying that I

(01:44:06):
don't appreciate it, and very glad to be on his platform,
you know. But I'm gonna, you know, inspired by the
spirit of old school Alex Jones, I'm never going to
water down my principles for anybody's agenda.

Speaker 5 (01:44:20):
Right, And that's what it comes down to.

Speaker 6 (01:44:22):
You.

Speaker 5 (01:44:23):
You know, at some level, a lot of people look
at things and dank in the chance is done. It's
fired up. I love it, you know, people love it well.
I mean, it's honesty, and to be honest, I think
that there's a level and I'm gonna tell you, as
a business person, I think that you know that if
you can reach more people and water down your message,
that people will eventually find the truth. And I think

(01:44:46):
that a level of me wants to believe that was
Alex Jones's business decision. He understood that there's more potential
for business or potential for bigger audiences. And if you
can reach more people, he can spread more of the truth.
And I'm not talking about his alliances or with who
he agrees or his allegiances to what or to whom,
or what he believes in. But I do know somewhere

(01:45:07):
that old Alex Jones lays dormant and it is just
there waiting to be woken up. And I believe it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:45:13):
And maybe this new project he does, then real Alex
Jones Network well be it. And I really hope So
I really hope that's it, and I'm interested to see
what he does with his amazing platform. I really do.
You know, Joe Rogan was talking about starting his own
news like platform, much like Rumble and everything else, and
we're trying to see what we're gonna do here. I'm
thinking about doing some pretty cool things with Rumble. We

(01:45:35):
might be getting into. We'll see all that. And Dang
says it's all check and balances in the chat. Very
interesting stuff. So there's a lot of news stories we
didn't even want to we didn't even get to. Writer
Lee joined us from Raised by Giants. It was great
to have him on I know, Don had no clue.
It just he said, hey, man, can I come on.
I know about this, I want to talk about it.
I'm like, yeah, dude, you did that. He sent me

(01:45:56):
the video when he saw me talking about this on
my page, and I'm like, oh, his videos are starting
to go, you know, pretty good. He's starting to get
like thousands of used and it just published, you know,
a few minutes ago. Let's get him on before he
gets too hot, you know. And hell, yeah, man, So
we got him on to talk about the Virginia Roberts,
the Jeffries you know issue. And just so everyone knows,

(01:46:17):
I'm not suicidal and never commit suicide. Taking that clear.
I'm not that type of person, you know. I'm just
a quitter like that. I know that who knows what
they were threatening of her, her family or kids whatever.
If you don't take you know, that's how they work.
We'll take children if it will take you know, whatever,
if you don't submit and kill yourself. And I don't

(01:46:37):
believe Virginia Roberts committed suicide, at least not voluntarily. And
I'm kind of curious to what you guys think. Drop
your comments in today's shows, chat and a whole bunch more.
By the way, guys, I want to say thank you.
There is a couple of stories I wanted to get into,
but I think we're gonna save them for tomorrow. Down
I'm writer Lee Surprise guests. Check out his YouTube again

(01:46:57):
raised by Giants. He's got like ten thousands of I
remember when we had like fifteen or twenty thousand subscribers
on YouTube, when we had the YouTube by Everything, and
I remember still getting, you know, being on the top
of the trending of certain news stories. And none of
that happens anymore because we are uber censored. One of
these days, somebody's gonna be like, I'm going to invest
in this. I want Like we didn't talk about synthetic telepathy,

(01:47:20):
which is pretty interesting because the military has been working
on that for a long time since two thousand and
eight at least, if not before. Wanted to dive into that.
The Army pulled their Voice to Skull technology website. I
know it's old news, but it's interesting. Just want to
bring some reminders of some tech stuff that's still relevant
because Voice the Skull has been out there and we
don't know how it's being used. If it's being used

(01:47:42):
to being voices in the people's heads. Are the drones
doing that? I don't know, Gwen Towers. I remember Jesse Ventura,
Jesse the Body of Ventura, conspiracy theory with Jesse Ventura
when he that's another guy that's gonna ry a little bit.
He went to Kye Green like he's always been kind
of an independent guy, but he went a little bit
like I think COVID really scared him. He was genuinely scared,

(01:48:03):
even though he did all those TV series. In interviewing
the Buildeburger, you know, people who work for the builder
Burgers are like, yeah, they're gonna try to do nasty
population through vaccine. He was all about jumping on the
COVID bandwidth. I think if I remember, you know, he
seems like a nice guy, but you know, and we
had a son on tyrrelvantrurea quite a few shows. That
being said, love the guys over there at in Force.

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