Parapsychologist, Demonologist, Researcher, & Educator Dr Bill Slevin

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Okay, everybody, Hello, Hello, hello, and welcome, welcome, welcome. We
are now live all on air. I'll tell you what.
We were just having a good old time. Yeah, a
fun time with our friends there on Tiktoker's. Appreciate you
all being here. It's Friday, It is Friday. Happy Friday
to you wherever you are in this brutiful, brutalful, brutiful world. Yeah,

(00:41):
you know what's it's been an interesting week to say
the least. So as you know, I was not here
last week. Their reason being, obviously is because we were
on church retreat, and so when we're on church retreat.
But we are now live here and I appreciate all
of you guys being Happy Friday to you where we

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are in Kentucky. This is a very special day. This
is Oaks Day. And tomorrow, by the way, is the
Kentucky Derby, and so yeah, it's gonna be good times
we're looking for. I've always loved Kentucky Oaks and Kentucky Derby.
It's just something very special. Just I think it is
really special about it. But nonetheless, I got to see

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I got to see American Pharaoh. And I tell you, well,
that's an unbelievable horse. My goodness, he won the triple
crown when it was like twenty five, twenty seven year,
you know, since another horse won the triple crown. Boy,
what a majestic horse. My goodness, gravy. Okay, everybody, so hello, Hello, Hello.
I appreciate you guys being here. Thank you. Hopefully you're

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having a good Friday. And hopefully and if you're not well,
then stick around and maybe we can kind of I
don't know, change, you know, put you in a good mood. Yeah, yeah,
oh yeah. The Bigfoot, the Bigfoot right there and Bigfoot
well right there for you guys for Facebook and Kjen.
There we go, and you guys on TikTok's big Yeah,

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Judy Anne picked that up, Judy in the Awesome. It's
a it's a pretty cool. I think it's a very
good addition to uh to Fridays. So I love it.
I absolutely love I fell in love with that sign
behind me when I saw it that I got to
get it. I've got to get this. And so there
we go. If you want to go to my website,
it's very very simple.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
The website is Bishop James Longlong dot com. Bishop James
Long l O n G dot com. By the way,
I do have classes that that we do have available
for you, and okay, and if you want to head
over there, they're free for the hater gators out there
that you know do this all day. You don't ever

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do anything, you don't ever do anything. Well, you know what,
I've gotten four classes that took me almost a year
to complete and free, so they're hater gators anyway. The
classes are free, free, free, free, and anyway check them out.
We would love for you to do so, and I
think you'll really enjoy them too. You get you learn demonology, angelology,

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paranormal studies, and genealogy all free. And so all you
got to do is click on the class link, I think,
and there you go. And good our friend, our friend,
Bishop Campbell is in here. He's a friend of mine,
good friend of the communities. And I also encourage you
if you can please, and hopefully I don't embarrass him

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too much, but if you could do me a favor,
and if you could go to my website, Bishop Jameslong
dot com and if you could head on over there,
and you'll see a fundraiser link. Now Bishop Campbell and
his and his wife. You know, they're you know, they
have a lot of health issues, and he's devoted his

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entire life to ministry. And he's not one of those
he is not one of those get rich quick preachers.
He doesn't preach that nonsense. And he is truly devoted.
He is a he is a warrior for God. But
they've had a lot of health issues, and because they've
had a lot of health issues, they get a lot
of bills. So if you would please do me a favor,

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thank you. Head on over to Bishop James Long dot com,
click on the retreat. I'm not to retreat, goodn't. I've
got to take the retreat down by the way. I
click on the fundraiser link, and if you could donate
something to him, that would be wonderful. He's look, I
know you guys don't know him, but I also let
me introduce something as well that you might want to

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get to know him. Thank you, thanking, mister producer. And
there it is right there for those of you on
Facebook and YouTube. If you click on the fundraiser Bishop
James Long dot com, click on the fundraiser link and
there you go. It goes directly to him, and we
would appreciate that, and so would he. And here's why

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I tell you this is fundamental what he has been
very instrumental, very instrumental in helping us offer a chaplaincy
program to you guys. There's a lot of people who

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have asked me about, you know, how can I be
a chaplain? And what do we have to do? Is
it expensive? Et cetera. Well, let me explain something to you.
This is my chaplain badge, and they are recognized and

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I'm telling you now I've been I've been a chaplain
for gosh over twenty five years now, and so this
is their badge that they have. It is a beautiful, absolute,
gorgeous badge. Now, if you have no training and you
would like to have training, they do have a really
in depth training program and they can actually start you

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as an associate. So even if you're not ordained, that's okay.
They have literally a program for every single person who
is considering being a chaplain. There's chaplains in goodness, grace.
I mean hospitals, nursing homes, police chaplains, firefighters. I mean,
there's desperate need for chaplains right now. I mean really truly.

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So if you're thought about ministry, and you've thought about
me be being a chaplain but have no training, maybe
no education. They give you the training. I mean serious,
the guys take advantage of this. Yep, it's virtual training.
You don't have to go to a school building. It's
all online. You will be assigned a mentor as well,
a mentor who has been a chaplain for a long

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time to also teach you. I'm telling you, guys. And
then if you have no experience whatsoever, you can be
an associate chaplain. And then as they canntinue to train you,
then you can go into full chaplaincy and you can
order a badge. Uh. And they are they're they're recognized,
so they're very reputable organization. So here's what I want
you to do. If you're interested, you need to email

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doctor Campbell. So, yep, women can be chaplains, absolutely, absolutely so,
even if you have no theological background. Let's say you
have no theological training, but you want to start somewhere.
This is this is the organization to do it. You
don't have to have a degree. They will train you
and this is the email. All right, everybody, d R.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
D R.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Campbell. A matter of fact, I am going to copy
the address here and put it in the chat for
everybody on there. We are. So it's uh ye, Dr Campbell,
thank you bel d. R. Campbell at A A H
E A dot org. And what you do is you
send him a message Yep, there it is. Guys. You

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can screenshot it right now on TikTok. You screenshot it,
send him a message and say, yep, I heard about
this Miship long show and I want to know more
about it, and they will provide all the information. And
there it is. I seemed I have actually we were there.
I sit and we look through all the meetings and

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I've seen the training manual. It is really honestly fantastics.
It's it is fantastic. And I don't say that lightly.
So I want to make that very clear. If I
thought it was junk, I wouldn't be a part, to
be honest with. If I thought it was I would
not be a part of this. I would not be
a chaplain with his organization. It is really well done.

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So Nope, Nope, you're not too old. There's no discrimination.
They accept if you're if you're a woman, you're welcome.
If you have no training, you're welcome. Let's say maybe
you made some mistakes in life. Here, you're trying to
turn your life around, you're welcome. If you are ninety
years old, you're welcome here. So there's no discrimination. You

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just love the Lord and want to service chaplain. You're
never too old, never, So don't let any type of
idea or ideology to make to think that this is
an impediment. It is not. You can have this opportunity.
Please take take advantage of it. Take advantage of it.

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They're a really good organization. Okay, Now, Michael, let's not
if you're going to come in here and be rude,
I'm going to block you because I think that's inappropriate.
So we don't do that here, Michael, And I think
that's very disrespectful for what you just said. So you
should be partly ashamed. And we're not going to tolerate

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trolls in here. We're just not. So just be respectful
to us as I am respectful and I have always
been to you, and so show some yeah, show some respect,
show some respect.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Anyway, Uh, as far as what's the length of time,
it really just depends on you, uh and your your
you know, desire to get to the program. So okay,
all right.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
And also the church's website is u s OCC dot org,
U s o CC dot org and you can go
there and head over. Yeah, a lot of people, you know,
you don't have to have an MDiv a Master's Divinity.
And by the way, you go to theology, you go
to seminary, which they charge you and our middle leg

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to get an MDiv. So they do charge you. You know,
if you go to the seminary, you're going to have
to pay, uh, in order to get that degree. So
I mean all degrees you have to pay for it.
That's just the way it is. I mean, if you
want to go to the seminary, you've got to pay.

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I had to have student loans. That's just the way
it is. It doesn't invalidate it. It just simpody says.
It's not everything can be just here. Let me just
give it, give, give, give, give. So yeah, it's but anyway,
and for those of you on TikTok, I will turn
the chat on for everybody in about an hour or so. Okay,

(11:23):
now let's get into our show tonight because I'm really
looking forward to it and hopefully you are as well.
Before we do this, I want to make the announcements.
Next week, we're going to have a gentleman on who
escaped from North Korea twice. He lives in the States

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and he is going to be I know, normally we
talk paranormal on Fridays, but this was such an amazing opportunity.
It's very rare, ultra rare that you get to speak
to anybody, anybody who has escaped from North Korea twice.
And so I thought, you know what, I need to

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bring him on for a Friday show so that kgri
dB could be a part of it as well everybody,
because it is truly pretty remarkable.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
And by the way, our AAHA credits a seminary the
seminary program we have. So anyway, there's wonderful opportunities for you,
make sure you take advantage. Today we have a very
cool guest. And I've known this gentleman for a little bit.
A little bit we've met and it's been a while,

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but he's a good guy and I really do like
what he stands for. And so our guest, our special
guest this evening is my friend, doctor Bill Slevin. Now,
he's a world renowned paranormal investigator, a parapsychologist, a demonologist,
researcher and educator with over thirty six years of experience,

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and he does have a PhD in Parapsychology and Metaphysical
humanistic science. You know, I'm want to speak to him
about that. I think I would love to have that.
I just think that's phenomenal. He has dedicated his entire
life to uncovering the mysteries of the unknown. Now. From
a young age, Bill immersed himself in studying paranormal phenomena,
combining paranormal experiences with rigorous research to become a well

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respected figure in the field. He has conducted well over
one thousand residential investigations I hear that, specializing in helping
families deal with possible hauntings and unexplained activity. Now as
a demonologist, he is frequently called upon by other teams
to consult on dark and potentially dangerous demonic cases. Doctor

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Levin has appeared on Discovery Plus, travel Channel, Destination America,
Max Paraflex, and has been featured at international radio shows,
podcast magazines, newspapers. He's also the proud member of the
Ghost Club UK, the world's oldest physical research organization found
in eighteen sixty two inspired by paranormal pioneers Ed and

(14:06):
Lorraine Warren.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Very cool.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I actually knew Lorraine, I was friends with Lorraine. I
did not know Ed, but he was inspired by them,
and so Bill works closely with some of their successors
and family members, currently serving as CTO and a director
for the Warren Society for Paranormal Research founded by Joe
Frank and the prior three years serving as a manager
and director for the Warren Legacy Foundation for Paranormal Research.

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Bill is also the founder of the Paranormal Existence Research Society.
It's a nonprofit team based in Coral Springs, Florida, with
branches across Florida, Georgia, Nebraska, New England, UK, Italy, and Greece,
and soon expanding to Brazil. So this organization provides free
assistance to those experiencing paranormal activity, prioritizing compassion, honesty, and education.

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He is a sought after speaker educator. Doctor Slevin appears
as a guest and guest speaker at conventions, conferences, schools,
libraries worldwide, bridging the gap between myth and reality in
the paranormal world. So let's bring on our friend. Hello there, Bill,
how are you doing today?

Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'm doing good.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
How are you well, I'm good. Thanks for you willing
us to jump on and chat with us today.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Sure, and I'm honored to be on.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, you know, we we've been in the field for
a long long time. Yes, I guess what someone called
me an og. So we're we are OG's Bill, We're
the old G's brother, We're the old G's We're the
old G's boys, boys and girls. When we communicated through

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Yahoo groups before Facebook and YouTube and all this other
Twitter and MySpace, that's how we communicated through Yahoo groups
and that was it. That was that was the thing.
Do you remember when geo cities came out Yahoo geo Cities, Boy,
that was the thing. Oh yes, if you had a
if you have a website and Yahoo GeoCities, you were

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really I mean you were. You were dialing it in there,
you are dialing it in. You were one of the
But but that's you know that, this was way before
you know, social media. So but yeah, I appreciate you know,
before I chat about the presentation of our questions, I've
got to ask I absolutely would love to look into
parapsychology and Metaphysical Humanistic Science. I think that would be phenomenal.

(16:28):
Where should one go if they're if they're really interested
in pursuing that.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, where I got my degree was the i m HS,
the International Metaphysical Humanistic Science. It's it's a really really
good course. It's I'll tell you, when I first started it,
I was lost.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I was way confused.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
When you're doing the metaphysical part at the beginning, it's
very different, it's very involved.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's you know, it's it's.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Not I expected at first, but it's it's something I
was really glad that I did and went through.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
It's not a quick thing. It does take some time.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Sure, well, and that's really honestly. I've always found that
if someone is not willing to devote the time and
energy into their own research and studies, then they probably
shouldn't be in that particular field. Yes, and so yeah,
it's okay, So let's all right, let's get into this.
So tell the world who are you, and tell us

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a little bit about what you do?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
So like you, like you had said a little bit there,
I've been in the field for thirty six years. I'm
an investigator, of piropsychologists, demonologists, researcher and educated. And I've
been doing this since wow, since the my first case
was in eighty nine, so I've been doing this well

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into the beginning of the eighties. And it was very,
very different back then. You know, it's not like it
is today. So I started a Paranormal Justans Research Society
a while back because I wanted to put together good
people that understood how to do residential cases because it's, as.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
You know, it's not like you see on TV.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
And we deal with a lot of people that have
psychiatric illness and addiction and fear and a lot a
lot of things besides paranormal And to me, it's important
to have people that know how to be compassionate and
how to deal with people rather than just people who
have twenty thirty years experience investigating, right, Because you can

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teach people how to investigate and how to use certain
equipment and things like that, that you can't teach people
how to be a human being, you know, which made
made me want to go around handpicked people for a
team after.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Beting on many many teams over my life.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
You know, that's one of the reasons why I started
many years ago, and I gave Richald, there's the paranormal clergy.
I started it because, and I've always sold everybody, if
you're going to work with, if you're going to be
a part of the usoc c AS investigators, then you
must be pastoral. If you're doing this for you know,
to be famous on YouTube or whatever, then go away, seriously,
go away. We're not interested in you. And you have

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to because let me just say something very quickly. I
realize there are people who have misconceptions about paranormal investigators.
Well let me just explain something very quickly. I a mean,
eternally grateful as clergy for people like Bill and his team,

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the Paranormal Existence Research Society. And I'll tell you why,
Because I'm one person. I don't have a plane, I
haven't won the lottery. And when there is a case
in California or Florida or Texas or whatever it might be,
I rely heavily on teams that I know I can
count on that are pastoral, that tried to debunk the activity,

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that doesn't think everything is demonic, and then they supply
that information the evidence. To me, these people are the
unsung heroes. Truly, I believe this within the paranormal community,
because it takes hours and hours to investigate thousands of
dollars to buy the equipment. Then you have to leave
your house, travel sometimes hours that get to the home,

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then investigate, which could take who knows how long. Then
you have to go through all the evidence and drive away.
You got to drive back home. The amount of money
that these people invest that the paranorma teams invest in
in this truly passion of their So this should be applauded,
not attacked, not vilified, because they go through all the

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evidence and then teams say, okay, here's all the evidence.
This is what we found. That saves me. So because
then I can get to the case immediately if it's demonic,
because all the real heavy work has been done. So
I am really very very grateful. Yeah, like I said,
Plus the equipment, the equipment is very equipment's not cheap.
So no, So you've been in the paranormal for thirty

(21:13):
six years. So how did your journey began? What initially
drew you to the world of the unexplained?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So when I was little, I mean I was always
for some reason drawn to paranormal horror, just didn't scare me.
It made me question everything. I wanted to know what
was real, what was And I started having some experiences myself,
and I didn't know if I was going crazy, if
I was, you know, having an issue, or I was

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really experiencing something. And you know, growing up in a
Catholic household didn't talk about that too much, and especially
back then before it was in the mainstream, you really
didn't talk about it. So it's one of those things
where like, I'm an mpath, so I can feel the
energy and emotions of the living and the dead when

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I'm doing this. And back then, when I was young,
say ten years old, I don't know what an EmPATH is. No,
we talked about that like they do today, right, So
I just knew something wasn't right. I would go to
even say like a family party, and all of a sudden,
I would become depressed, and I didn't know why. And

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it wasn't because I was depressed. It was because I
was picking up on somebody else in the room and
I was feeling their emotions. But who knows, I didn't
know what that was, and I didn't even know what
to look for. It was many years later that I
found out what that was. I just you know, didn't
understand what I was going through. It's kind of the

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things that made me start looking into everything and trying
to figure out what was real wasn't and what this
was all about.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I had to draw out, you know, I was drawn
to it.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
And at what age did you start actually investigating?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
So my first actual investigation, which back then was very
hard to do because, like I said, people didn't talk
about it, so there wasn't.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
A lot of teams all over the place.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
The people that needed help, they weren't running around looking
for teams. They thought they'd be locked up in the
mental institution, you know. So it was not until nineteen
eighty nine that I was actually brought onto a residential investigation.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
But before that, I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I went out on my own to cemeteries and things,
just trying to see what I could find from the
research I've done and learning a little bit because we
didn't have.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
A lot of the equipment back then, you know. So
nineteen eighty nine was my first case.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
And how were how were you then for your first case?
I was nineteen Wow, So that's that's yeah. I mean
that it grabbed, it grabs you and you're and it
just doesn't ever let you go. It's one of those things.
It's like in your d and I get that, I
toil it is it. My actually first experience was I
think thirty five years ago. That was at Waverley Hills.

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That was the very first time that was that's when
prior to the matting Laes, the owner didn't really care
who went up there, and you know, you could do
whatever you wanted to up there, and well that was
that was way before any paranormal teams went up there
investigated because I live in Louisville, so it's there, you know.
So okay, let's talk about this. Let's talk about your
very first paranormal experience. How did it shape the direction

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of your life?

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So that's it's.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Kind of difficult on that one.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
So that, like I said, the experiences I had when
I was young, I didn't know one hundred percent of
what they were, so they definitely guided me into looking
into things. But actually, right before I went on that
first case, a little bit earlier in that year, was
the first time I saw a full bodied apparition, which

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kind of solid the way it happened and the way
everything happened. It kind of solidified all the stuff I
had been learning about and to actually see it, because
it's not a rare thing that you see.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
I mean, it is a rare thing. It's not a
common thing that you see all the time. So it was.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Something that the way it happened made me understand, Okay,
you know.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
What I'm learning about.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Everything is real, and I think that helped push me
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean, was that was that a foot? You said?
A full body apperition? Yes, that's folks, let me tell
you someonhen you see a full body apparition, it makes
you question everything, everything because those I mean, it's it's
those are It's interesting when you experience that. So was
there a defining moment when you realize that this wasn't

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just like an interest, a thing that you're do you
do on a Friday morning or Friday night because you're
bored and you want to get scared, but actually a calling.
And that's I've preached that now for years and years,
but an actual calling, right.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I will tell you that was the first case, because
I tell everybody the thing about my first case was
I was asked by It was a friend of mine
who had another friend that knew somebody, you know. They
had a team and they had a person that was sick,
and they needed a third person to go with them

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on the investigation.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
So I went with them. I didn't know a lot.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I was all excited to go investigate, you know, an
actual home, and these people had never been there before.
They just knew the old lady was having some issues.
This was in New Jersey. I used to live in
New Jersey. And we got to the house and we
walked in.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
I'm going to do the short version.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
When we walked in, we were there for it, no joke,
fifteen minutes tops in the main room.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
And this was very different back then.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
So like guy had a big shoulder mounted camera, you know,
and the other guy had a real turrel recorder. And
all of a sudden, the guy next to me, he
threw his camera len his.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Whole camera lens first to the floor and screamed like
I've never heard wow.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
And we flipped the lights on and I looked at
him and he pulled his shirt over his head and
he had three scratch marks like razor blades from his
neck to the bottom of the spine. I tell everybody
my first case happened to be a rare demonic case.
That that's why I say I feel it was my

(27:37):
calling because most people would have run for their life
from that place.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
And never gone back.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
But I had a million questions of what was going on,
and it made me go down the rabbit hole because
I was you know, I didn't know a lot back then,
So I'm going, why didn't it attack me?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I didn't know anything about protecting back then. Why did
it attack him a lot? Why was it? You know,
what was it?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
What was it doing in the house? For sure, there
was so many questions when I asked there that that's
where I feel it was a call, because I do
believe a lot of people will run for their lives it.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
It is a frightening thing.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Ghosts in a house is not a big deal, but
demonic is completely different.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
And for those of you that's joining us. So I
mession long. We're talking. We're having our paranormal Friday show.
We're talking to my friend doctor Bill. He is a investigator,
paranormal investigator, parapsychologist, the Bianologists researcher, educator, is thirty six
years of experience. He has a PhD in parapsychology and
metaphysical humanistic science. And he's talking about he's conducted will

(28:42):
of one thousand residential investigations, and of course he's been
on quite a few television shows Discovery Plus, Travel Channel,
Destination America, Max, Paraflex, et cetera. And so we're talking
about his experience within the paranormal and the case is
that he has worked. And now I do have a
question that's off, maybe a little bit. I throw you

(29:06):
off a bit, and I hope that's okay, So true, Danny, Sorry, Danny,
I just threw you under us. Danny's wanting me to
ask you about orbs.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Okay, So, yeah, is somebody I guarantee you I.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Know, yes, Yeah, absolutely, because everybody knows. One of the
things that I preach about at my lectures is about orbs.
I don't like to toss anybody off with this or
discredit their stuff, but the problem is there's a lot

(29:43):
of misconceptions about what our true orb is.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
There are real orbs. They're very rare.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I've seen three in my thirty six years, and you
will see them with your eyes. They are solid, three
D balls of energy. Whereas believe to be a spirit
or a demon trying to manifest itself into the room
by pulling the energy from the room. The things you
see on the ring cameras and security cameras and everything, look,

(30:11):
nobody knows one hundred percent you know of anything, but
those can be easily debunked with science and electronics. And
because a real orb which is solid energy, cannot be
transparent or translucent, and it cannot reflect light, it has
its own light.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
So if that little ball flew into your living room with.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Your security camera on, your security camera actually be tricked
and go into daytime mode, just like you turn the
lamp on in the room.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
And it's one of the things I talk about a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
And I know a lot of people want to believe that,
you know, it's Grandma flying around because there's a piece
of dust that floated by.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
And that's fine.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I mean, whatever makes you, you know, happy, that believe
what you want to believe.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
But it's something.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
The one thing you didn't I didn't talk about with
you yet is besides what I do, I have thirty
three years in the technology shield. I'm an it dier,
very cool, So yeah, I'm I know a lot about technology.
I know about apps, I know the facility I just
was working with for twelve years. We had like one
hundred and forty two cameras. You know, I know everything

(31:23):
about cameras and how they work, and I can show
your orders on those cameras every night. So I'm not
just coming from only opinion. I'm coming from an actual
background in technology.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Also.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, and folks, here's the deal that look, look, look,
look's listen. Most of the time, everybody says me or
or orbs most of the time, they're bugs. They're bugs.
And so there's, for example, there's this one clown and
I'm sorry it's a clown. Is he's going around YouTube.
He holds a up a camera or not a cross up,

(31:59):
and he's going going through weeds and he's kicking up weeds,
and a person behind him has a camera and there
it's a night camera and all these orbs and people
are like, oh, look, and he's performing an exorcism on
these orbs. People, they're bugs. He's literally in the weeds

(32:20):
kicking up bugs, kicking the weeds, so that bugs show up,
and everybody thinks, old, look at all those spirits, and
they actually think it's real. Demons come on, guys, really seriously,
so that kind of I'm not kidding you. Thousands of
people follow this account and I'm thinking they're bugs. He's

(32:40):
in the weeds. I mean put two and two together.
It's not yeah or dusts or dust particles there, right,
all right? Did you ever have moments of doubt? And
by the way, if you have questions for those of
you on TikTok, you can throw your question in there.
If you're a subscriber, we will open the chat open
for everyone in a little while. But have you ever
had moments of doubt about pursuing this path? And how

(33:05):
did you move past that? Those doubts?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well, I mean there's been a I think it was
more at the beginning because it was very hard to
research back then. Yeah, you know, we didn't have internet,
you didn't have TV shows, you didn't have a lot
of people to talk to, so you could only go
in and find the books you could find in the
library and to even through that to understand what was real.

(33:30):
So there was doubts along the way. I think when
I had when I saw that apparition, and then it
was only a couple months later where I had the
first investigation. I think those helped me get out of that.
And I mean there has been a few times throughout
the years where you kind of questions sometimes what you're

(33:50):
doing because we do do this for free because we
want to help people and we won't think it's ethical
to charge, you know, and there's a lot of times
when you encounter, like what I tell people, our hardest,
at least mine, my hardest thing to deal with is
convincing somebody they're not haunted.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
And it's a very frustrating.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Thing when you're there trying to talk to them and
trying to get them help. You would think by telling
them it's nothing, they should be excited, but the problem
was later on is that they're not, because even though
they're calling this in as a professional team, if they
don't see you on TV every week, they don't look
at you as we are maybe an expert in the

(34:33):
field or know what you're doing. They look at the people.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
On TV as they got to be the ones who
know everything.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Which is why I started putting myself out there the
last six or seven years and getting known a little
bit and you know, educating a little more and getting
out there, because then when we deal with people, they
look at us like a little bit more. I guess
acknowledgment of we do and who I am, because we

(35:03):
are there truly to help them.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
But those are tough.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
And then you know, there's a lot of drama in
this field right now. But luckily I'm not involved in
any of it. The only time you'll see me involved
in drama is on the Facebook forums with the ORB people.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
No, I see, that's the only people that don't like me.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
All right, And of course you know that's there's a
lot of there's a lot of drama. There's a lot
of drama. I I well, I tell you what I've Yeah,
I've had my fair share, you know, I've always I've
always wished that when when I first, of course many
many years ago, the boy was vicious, twenty twenty years ago,

(35:43):
twenty five. I mean it was when online radio was
in its infancy. It was vicious. Well, like I said,
I I've said this before. It was so vicious that
you know, people were saying, oh, Bishop Long has fake degrees,
never went to the seminary. It was so bad. I
actually on Facebook I had to post my degrees and transcripts.

(36:04):
I didn't have to, but I chose to because that's
how much the hate that I was getting, Yeah, from people,
I mean vicious, vicious, that's yeah, that's how these people are.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Like, I'll get somebody in a group that I'll when I.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Explained to them about like let's say they post a
picture of an ORB, I'm doing it honestly to try
to help them and educate them a little bit. I
am very nice. I don't go off on them. Of
course if they start on me, sometimes I do, but.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I don't normally go off on them.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'm do it very professional and educational, explaining why it happened,
what it is, and how to avoid it.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
And things like that.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
And then they'll come back in them sometimes and they'll say, well,
who are you? Why should I believe you? And then
I'll say, well, I have thirty six years in the field.
I have thirty three years in the IT field. Oh
so you have an ego.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
That was incredibility.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
You know, I don't know how to deal with somebody
right now.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
You can't just because ultimately you have to. You just
say you know, and then it's kind of like, Okay,
I was a dean of a college, so you have
to have regionally accredited degrees in order to be a
dean of a regionally accredited college. But it didn't matter
no matter what, no matter what people have said, no
matter what they said, there was always those hater gaters

(37:21):
out there. That's why I say to people all the time,
you never accept criticism from someone that you would not
go to for advice because if they're going to, don't
listen to them. Don't even so folk, don't listen to them.
So because you can't, especially in this field, because as
Bill will absolutely testify, when you get into some heavy

(37:42):
dark cases, and we're going to talk about that in
a moment, it can take a toll. It really can
take a toll. So let's talk about first of all,
what does your family think of your of your life's work,
your dedication devotion to the paranormal.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Well, I'm sorry I lost you there for many years.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
You what does your family think of your life's world
in the paranormal.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
That's a funny one. So, like I said, I grew
up Catholic. They I never really talked about it much.
It was many, many, many many years later that they
found out I did anything like this. My mother is
still amazed and when I I'm out there talking about
this at shows.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
She comes to some of the events and stuff, but
she still does not believe in ghosts.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, and it's funny, and I always say that the
way I what I believe is that. Okay, So my grandmother,
her mother I was extremely close to. That's the Italian
side of the family that I grew up with in
New Jersey, and I was very very close to my grandmother.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
She was like another mother. She lived in the house.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
So when she died of cancer many years ago, I
think my mother that did her to come and visit
and talk to her and show something, and she never did.
And I think I truly believe that's why she doesn't believe,

(39:13):
even though I have as good evidence as you can get,
and she still doesn't really believe too much.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Because there are some people that think everything is demonic.
So let me just ask you this question. Simple, let's
put this, let's put this, let's put this to rest
in your opinion, just a simple yes or no. Do
you think everything paranormal related is demonic? And New Okay?
Very good, because that's a debate that a lot of people.

(39:40):
Because I've said this, and of course people, oh, he's
a fraud. He's a fake. Everything is not demonic. And
this is a person who's thirty six years of experienced
speaking to you guys, all right now you found it
the Paranormal Existence Research Society otherwise known as PERS. What
inspire you to create it and what makes your teams
stand out and such crowded field?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, I created it because, to be honest with you,
I got sick of being on other teams.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
There's so much drama where the teams do things.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
A lot of them just are doing this for fun,
which is Look, if you want to go out and
be a ghost hunter and go to local.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Places, and that's all good.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
We do that at times, but if you're going to
do residential cases, you have to be a little more
serious and you have to know what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
You're going to arm people, that's right.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
You know. So I started my own team because I
honestly was just tired of dealing with other people.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
And it is a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
And I always said I wanted a small team, and
I used to have like maybe five or six people
in Florida, and we used to keep it at that
and then it slowly has expanded.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
I have, like I think twenty seven people now, like you.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Said, all through different states and countries, and I really
enjoy it because everyone is hand picked by me, and
like I said before, it's very they are various specific people.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
A lot of them have very amazing gifts in different areas.
I have people that have things that I do not understand.
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
My teammate Tom, who is the head of my Nebraska team,
he can speak to elementals and see elementals.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
I know very little about elementals when it comes to that.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
So I have so many people that are My wife
is She's on the team, but she doesn't investigate with us.
She's a wreki master and an energy dealer, so we
have her work with our clients when they need energy work.
She's taught me a lot about energy, you know. So
we have a very verse team. And I have Joe

(41:49):
Frankie that's my new England team up north with you know,
who work with Ed Lorraine for like thirty years. So
we stand out because we do go in and try
to help them. We are not going to come in
guns blazing with piles of equipment, you know. We're going
to talk to them probably on zoom first and get
to know them. And see what's going on and have

(42:10):
some of our gifted people on there with us to
see what they can see. We're going to possibly ask
them for psychiatric evaluations, medical evaluations.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
We're gonna we do.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
A lot of very very you know, important things to
help them the best we can. So that's kind of
what made me Forman and kind of why I think
we stand out because we're not going to go, you know,
running in there with like look as an it.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I have a ridiculous amount of equipment.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I do because I like to try everything and play
with all of it, but we use maybe five percent
of that.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Equipment in a person's house.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
None of that stuff is reliable to be in a
person's house except audio, video, and environmental type devices.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
For those of you who are just tuning in long,
we're talking to our friend doctor Bill Slevin, who's a
world renowned paranormal investigator of parapsychologists, demonologists, researcher, and educator.
He has thirty six years of experience. He has a
PhD in parapsychology metaphysical humanistic science. Of course, he is
also a founder of a respected ghost Well I don't

(43:18):
I'm always investigation the Paranormal Existence Research Society. I've never
I've hated the term ghost hunter. I've never liked that term.
It's to me, it's just like, oh, I'm just there's
something problematic for But anyway, we're speaking to about his experience,
and I promise you we will. I will get to
your questions. I promise you. So for those of you

(43:39):
are on TikTok, if you're subscribers, I'm writing your questions
down and I'll promise you that I will get to
before we open it up for everyone. Now, as I
mentioned in the beginning during the opening monologue, I was
I was friends with Lorraine. I Unfortunately I didn't get
to meet Ed. And I say unfortunate because I would
have loved to just picked his brain and and and

(44:01):
just kind of get his you know, his thoughts on
certain things. But now you have connections, of course with
Ed and Lorraine Warren. So can you share more about that.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Well, first, I'd like to say I wish I could
have had that personal connection with them, which I did not.
I knew a lot about them. I studied everything about them.
You know, they were pioneers in the field. No matter
what people wanted.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
To believe.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I was lucky enough to now work with people either
who were related or have had massive amounts of years
working with them as students. So I was part of
the Warren Legacy Foundation for three years. I was a
director and a manager that helped run everything over there,
which was with Chris McKinnell, the Brandsman, and now I

(44:51):
am part of the New Warren Society for Paranormal Research
and Education, which was found by Joe Frankie. Joe was
an original student of Ed Loraine back from when he
was eighteen, and he has a long time history with them.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
He's a great guy. I've gotten to become really really
close friends with him.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Me and him actually do shows together and speak together,
and it's it's just great being able to have that
connection to learn a little more on the inside about stuff.
I also used to be really good friends with Timmy
Yancy before, such a great guy, and you know, he

(45:33):
was very close. He knew Ed Lorraine. He was very
close with George Lutz from the Amitueville House. So I've
heard of a lot of very good inside stuff. You know,
Scottie Burns, you know, there's so many people out there
that you get to work with.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
If you're lucky enough.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
That have this kind of knowledge that helped, you know,
help you further your your studies.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
You know, you know, that's one thing that that does
kind of I don't not necessarily say irritate me, but
it does kind of get me a little frustrated because
you know, here's the deal. If you've learned something, for
if you learn something from a perhaps a mentor or
somebody that's been in the field for as long as,
for example, we have, and I've noticed that a lot

(46:17):
of people, and there's nothing wrong with you know, people
then learning it. But please don't take that as if
you're the one that created this. Always give credit where
credit is due. So if you've learned something from let's say,
clergy or you know, someone like Bill or even someone
like myself or someone, always give credit. Because I've noticed

(46:38):
that what people are doing now is they're taking what
for example, the ogs, the people who when we when
Bill and I started. You gotta understand, guys, there was
no book on how to do this. You just did it.
You just went out there. You you went to people's homes.
You learn by mistakes, and you gather all the information.

(47:00):
You teach but if you're going if someone if you said,
well I didn't think of that, or that's a good idea,
and you learn always thinking to go. Always always give
credit or credit is due. I've always done that, and
I think that's the most respectful thing that you can
do to honor that person's legacy, because otherwise, if you don't,
you're just quite honestly, you're stealing and you're not giving credit.

(47:25):
And that's one thing that I just think people should
kind of avoid.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah, I just I owe everything I have to all
the people who taught me at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
When I was new and I didn't have anybody to
reach out to.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
You know, those people taught me and it's what helped me.
That's why I like to teach people. I like to
help people learn. You know, everybody needs to have their
own style how they do things, but they need to
learn the.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Basics, you know, from people.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
This is what I always say, learn from If you
learn from watching TV, that's fine, but go out and
learn from the people who are around doing.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
This, yes, or the TV show to start it.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Let me let me give you, let me let me
clue you out on everybody. Bill knows this, but let
me clear everybody else on this the paranormal celebrities are
not the people that look at a camera and says,
did you hear that? Did you hear that? That doesn't
make you a celebrity. Okay, that makes you a person
who's able to say did you hear that? On camera?

(48:27):
Paranormal celebrities are the people that answer the calls at
three or four in the morning, that spend thousands of
dollars on equipment, that travel to people's homes who don't
they don't owe them anything, but yet they don't charge
not a penny. They spend everything out of their own pocket.
They go to their home, they try to explain what's
going on, They get clergy involved in cases. Folks, Those

(48:50):
are the true paranormal celebrities, not anybody who has a camera.
Did you hear that? That doesn't make you a celebrity?
And anybody can look anybody look at a camera and
flex your muscles. Did you hear that? Again, it doesn't
make you a celebrity. So people who are true paranormal celebrities,
in my mind, are the people that you may never

(49:12):
hear of. They don't sensationalize people's trauma for financial gain.
You know, they're not putting it all over you know,
social media just so they can get likes and lots
of money and while this family over here is suffering.
That's evil. I don't think that's that's appropriate at all.
And there's a lot of things, and Bill, I'm sure

(49:33):
you've experienced this too. There's a lot of teams that
will go to a person's home, take on demonic cases
in which they have no business taking them on, not
get clergy involved at all, just so they can get
the evidence, run to social media, and then drop the
client all together. And the client's sitting there saying, now
what do we do? They just made it worse, right,

(49:54):
I know.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
That's absolutely I mean that's one of the biggest thing.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
You know, I was say, almost half our cases wind
up being cases that they went to somebody else and
either somebody stirred something up or they didn't have anything,
and they told them that they had a demon or something,
and now they're scared out of their minds because they
left and they don't know what to do. You know,

(50:19):
it's very you know, like I'll go back to what
you asked earlier about, you know, about demons being rare,
you know, demonic cases.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I've been well over a thousand cases.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I've had seven confirmed demonic cases in thirty six years now.
I mean, of course those are the only ones I've
been called into, you know, but seven, you know, it
is rare, but it is out there.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
But people can mess things up if you don't know
what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
If you learn on the TV show and you go
running into a person's house, you're putting yourself, your team
and the client in danger.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Right on. So in twenty five years, I have performed
thirty three exorcisms in twenty five years, and I work
with psychiatrists. We require psychological evaluations before I even stepped
foot in that family's home. So what I call it
when I say documented. So I am so exhausted from

(51:22):
people thinking everything is demonic. It just simply is not.
It just simply is not. Now, you begin your work
long before the age of the internet and reality TV.
So how did your learning and training in the early
days differ from how people are introduced to the field.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Now?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
That's very different, because, like I said, it was hard.
We had to go and get in the library and
find any book you could find, and there wasn't a
lot out there. You know, you had a handful of
people that had some interesting information. You know, nowadays it's
very different becasts.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
It's good and bad.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
To be honest, I always say TV shows and internet
and everything brought the paranormal out into the forefront to
where we can sit here and talk about it like
this without getting locked up. So it's great on one side,
but it does confuse people because people are very you know,
influenced by TV and internet, and when they see things,

(52:21):
you have to understand there's paranormal and this paranormal entertainment,
and there are.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Two different things, and I like both.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I watched the show as I've been on some They're
a lot of fun, but it's don't you can't go
by one hundred percent of what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
To understand if you have something in your house.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Just because you heard a sound in your house doesn't
mean because you saw that on one of the shows
that you.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Know that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
So the people that learn from just watching TV now
are going online and googling stuff.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
The problem is they're they're looking it up and they.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Don't know if they're finding real info or something written
by somebody.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Who knows nothing and they're learning that, and then they're
running into people's homes.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
You know, go out, like I said, go to you know,
some some known haunted locations, some cemeteries, whatever, and learn.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Like I say, if you get buy a piece of equipment.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Learn what that equipment does, Learn what makes it go
off naturally, what can cause it to flake out? You
know what not to just buy it, turn it on
and see what happens. Because there's a million things, you know,
like we found out with a rimpod.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
We push the button on a walkie talking and it
sets the rim pod. So you know, you need to
learn things like that. So if not, you're just going
to go in and you're going to think everything is
a ghost. And also the people learning from TV, they
don't look into anything into psychology or or self manifestation
and energy and things like that. So when they get

(53:51):
a call, they go right to the house assuming we
have something haunted, and you can't change that.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Once you walk in, you have to go in thinking
this is nothing. I need to prove it's something.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
So I know I believe Starla on TikTok, I've Starlett
asked in your opinion, are all shadow figures, black shadow
figures that the face are faceless of evil spirits or demons.
What are your thoughts on shadow figures?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Shadow figures can be many different things.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I don't believe at all that they are always something
evil or demonic.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
I've seen plenty out of you know, you see a
lot of them out of the corn in your eyes.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Sometimes sometimes it can be the trick of your eyes
and your mind. But the ones, most of the things
I've experienced when it comes to a shadow figure has
not been anything that was anywhat dangerous.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Now that doesn't mean it can't be.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I mean, if you're in a demonic situation, you might
see shadow figures that are from the demons.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
But I would say for the.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Most part, it's not going to be oh my god,
something's they're dangerous going to hurt me.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
And Sarla, I see your question about conjuring on TikTok.
If you can explain that, are you talking about casting?
Is that your refer with your reference, so Starli, if
you could clarify that, and then I can ask now
Big Red on TikTok wants to know if if he
has a video and he wants your opinion on it.
Can he send it to you?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Absolutely? Okay, well, a lot of people send this stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Where were the best place for for him to send
that to?

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Very simple? Bill at Bill sleven dot com.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Bill at Bill sleven dot com. All right, everybody that's
we're not We're not We're not hanging up. I'm just
that's the best way. The Bill at Bill sleven s
l e v I N dot com, so big red
on TikTok uh. You can certainly send him that information
and he will, he said he'll take a look at it. Also, Oh,

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this is a great question. I don't know who asked this.
My apologies. I didn't to see. Are there any smartphone
apps that you believe are credible to use during the
paranormal investigation?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Okay, this is about the same as orbs almost. Well,
here's here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
And again this is coming from somebody in the technology field.
I've worked with people who built apps, not for ghost
hunting or anything, but apps, so I know what they do.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
If you want to take them and go out to
the haunted location and the cemetery and play around and
see what they do, by all means, have fun. I've
tried every one of them just because I want to
see what they do. But I will tell you this
the problem with an app and I, in my opinion,
I cannot.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Credit any app out there, and.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
The reason being is they're programming. So there's no reason
that you know, you should believe that something that is
fully programmed like this, that plus either free or two
ninety nine for an app is going to be something
that is some special connection to the paranormal world or
the realm, because a lot of them actually use GTS

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to know where you are, actively listening, to know what
you're asking, and then AI to respond to you.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
And then some of the.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Things they mimic, like let's say ghost to which mimics
an SLS camera, Okay, a real SLS camera. I would
believe possibly one percent of the time if that because
their programmed to look for people.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Now, so hold one second if you can, if you
can explain for those of you who don't know. Again,
there's a lot of people asking who we're speaking to.
Doctor Bill Slevin. He is an investigator, parent of investigator,
pair of psychologists, demonologist, researcher. He has a PhD in
paar of psychology, metaphysical humanistic science, and he's speaking about
his experience as a paranormal investigator. Now, can you explain

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what the last device is that you had mentioned, because
there are many people who have no idea what that
device is.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Sure, an SLS camera was something that they created from.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
If you remember back in the time of the Xbox.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
They had the Kinic, which was the little camera device
that came with the Xbox that was used for motion gaming.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
So what it did was it surveyed the room looking
for a person, so it looked for your arms and
your legs so it could tick you up for the
motion part of the game.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
It's created by Microsoft.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
So what they did was they took the SLS camera
from the Pinic and they connected to connected to a
Windows tablet and got the Windows Developer software and you
go in and you have your own little SLS camera
and it produces little stick figures on the screen. The
thing is, when you pointed at anything, a chair, any

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kind of furniture, address anything, it will think that's a
person because that's.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
What it's designed to do.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
So it will automatically put it up there and like
a stick figure, and people think their ghosts.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
The problem is Could it be?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
There could be, but you have to be in a
place that has nothing in the room. I've seen it
map out stick figures from wallpaper, patterns, lines on the
bricks in the wall.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
I mean, anything you can think of.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
In all the years of using these playing around them,
I've had two instances that I'm not sure about too.
And that's it because again, we can easily identify what's
causing it because it's programmed what to do. You know,

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So when you take an app and you make an
app mimic this device.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Your phone is not an SLS camera, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Your phone is not an EMS reader, it's not you know,
it's it's none of these devices.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
That they make you think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
And again, you could play around with them. But like
Spirit Talker is one of the biggest ones that everybody
plays with, and it kind of mimics an ovulus and
ovulous is a device where it's believed that the spirits
can manipulate the energy and words come out onto the screen.
It uses a word bank, so yes, if something comes

(01:00:31):
along directly with what you're talking about, maybe it could
be something. When you turn on the spirit Talker device,
the ovulus will not spit up words every five seconds.
The spirit talker. If you put it on, just put
it on and leave it. Here's the perfect test.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Put it on, leave the room for an hour, and
come back and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Watch the entire conversation this thing had with nothing wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
And it's usually dark and scaring and evil and get
out and you know it's just random words.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
So I know that we talked about wrapping up around eight,
But do you have a little bit extra time we
can chat a little bit. Yeah, yeahah, I could say, Okay.
So now Nicole is asking a great question. Do you
enjoy watching paranormal shows? And if so, and I like
to piggyback on that question, are there any films or
books portrayals that you believe that actually got it right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Are there any paranormal shows that you actually enjoy watching?
And do you believe any films, books, or portrayals that
you believe got it right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Yes, I actually watched most of the shows. I do
enjoy them. They're they're entertaining, and that's the difference of
what people have to understand.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
It's entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Like I've been on seven you know, confirmed amount of
cases and you definitely don't see me scream and run out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Of the house. That's that's for ratings and for you
know whatever. But but they're entertaining. I love them. I
do watch them all. I support them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
I have nothing against them or what they do on there.
And they do confuse people a little bit, sometimes a
little too much, but I do enjoy them now as
far as something that got it right. This is the
only thing I really say to people watch the TV
show Evil. Evil to me is so spot on with

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what they do, because if you haven't seen it, it's
a show that combines a guy who's a priest, a
person who is a scientist, and a person who is
a forensic psychologist, and they're sent out by the church
to assess cases.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
And what I love about it is most.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Of the time it is not demonic or angels or miracles.
It's sometimes it could be, but it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
But they do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Throw the realism of what's out there into it. Of
course they make it a little comical with their demons.
Is a little too much, but it's what they do
is like I was watching them, I'm going, this is
what I do. It's the first time I really can
say that that's really what I do. I really enjoy
what that show was about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
And again, folks, we'll try to get your questions. If
you've asked multiple questions, please understand there's a lot of
people asking questions, so we'll do the best that we can.
One thing that I that as an exorcist for the church,
it does kind of drive me a little bit bonkers
that demonologists are performing rituals they have no business performing,

(01:03:34):
and have you, And that really bothers me. A demonologists
is not necessarily an exorist, So let me make that
clear for everyone. And exiosis is clergy who has been
trained in the right to perform an exorcism on an
individual who has possessed. And demonologist is one who researches

(01:03:55):
and works cases and is able to know the manifestations
of demonic and you know, influence or infestation and then
presents that to clergy for them to get involved. I
am finding a lot of people who are claiming to
be demonologists performing rights they have no business or authorities performing.

(01:04:15):
Have you been finding that to be an issue as well?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Yes, yeah, a lot a lot. Honestly, First of all,
I agree with you. As a demonologist, I'm brought into
assess a case to help understand if it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Could be demonic, and then I do go with.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
The exorcists to help assist, you know, if there's something needed.
I am there for those cases. But I would never
perform an exorcism. I would not want to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
It's not me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
I'm there to help, you know, to assist, and I
do obviously I'm in the middle of it all, but
that is absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
In my opinion, for a clergy member.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I would never even honestly like some of the terms demonologists.
I've been studying demonology for about thirty years and if
you listen to any of my back podcasts or lectures
or anything, I used to say I was a demonology
specialist because to me, I respected the title. The title
was either a clergy member or given to you by

(01:05:23):
a clergy member.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
And I always said demonologies specialists. It's just because of
how I am.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
And then last year I was given the title by
a church, so I now use the title. Sure, but
there's a lot of there's a lot of people that
just say, hey, I looked at a book and now
I'm a demonologist.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Because what bothers me greatly as clergy, especially when I
studied in the Roman Catholic seminary. It bothers me now
that so many people are calling themselves demonologists and they
have no prayer life, if whatsoever. This is not a
secular job. It is when you're a demonologist. For anybody
who's watching, I mean, you dedicate your life to this ministry.

(01:06:11):
It is a ministry. It is a calling from God.
This is a This is different. This is different if
you're if you're a paranormal investigator, that's secular. That's completely
and totally different than being called a demonologists because now
you're getting into theology. And if you do not have
a prayer life, if you are not devoted to your

(01:06:32):
faith to God, then one day it will happen. I've
seen it time and time again, I'm Bill. I'm sure
you've seen it time and time people who costplay demonologists
on the weekend. The demons will eat your lunch and
spit it out, and your life will become complete and
utter mess. So stay away from this, guys, if you're

(01:06:55):
truly honestly stay away from this, because this is there's
a big difference. But ian investigating a haunting and then
investigating demonic cases, and I'm absolutely confident Bill that you
would say the same yes as a laity demonologist. So Carrie,

(01:07:15):
on TikTok is asking what is the scariest moment that
you have ever had during an investigation?

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
You cut off one word there we.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Carry on. TikTok is asking what is the scariest moment
that you have had during an investigation?

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Every second of those seven demonic cases. The stuff that
I witnessed during those cases, I tell people, are things
I never thought I would see. I thought they were
only for TV. And there are things that will haunt
me forever. During one case, I was not about thirty

(01:07:58):
feet across the room by nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
And there is nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Scarier than being knocked down on the floor by nothing
in front of you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
How do you defend yourself? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
You know, it's it's a very scary thing. But honestly,
anything anything from those cases, it's it is a terrifying thing.
And like I said, I believe it's a calling because
I do it because I want to help people. I
never look forward to a case where I'm called in
if it's gonna if it could be possibly demonarch, I

(01:08:33):
don't look forward to it, but I will do it
to help.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah, for me, it doesn't not secular. This is the
this is the theology. Your call. You are, you have
a special calling to serve in these cases from God.
If you don't have a call, if you don't have
a calling, and leave it alone. Leave it alone. Friends,
if you're watching, please leave these cases alone, because not
only are you going to hurt yourself, but you could

(01:08:57):
hurt the families because you could cause the activity to
increase if you don't know what you're doing, and then
and then you have a real world of hurt. And
that's that's what you don't want to do. I believe
it's and I apologize if I miss mispronounced the word
hoaxon uh. Do you believe that demonic cases are on
the rise? From your from the cases you've worked and

(01:09:18):
been in the field, do you believe that there's no?

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
I don't. I don't think they're on the rise.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
I think you may be hearing about them a little more,
and I think a lot more people are kind of,
you know, talking.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
About it a little more. Maybe I don't. I don't
know so much as they're on the rise, just my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Okay, So Roxy is asking, may I ask Bill's view
on the Ouija board. The reason is I find the
paranormal community are using them, and I will say, if
someone uses the Ouiji board, then you know what that
is ignorant, it is stupid, it is irresponsible. Leave them alone.
Leave them alone. I for one, I for one, it's clergy.
I'm growing tired people using these boards contacting me. All

(01:10:05):
hell breaks loose in their home, they expect me to
fix it. This is first, leave it all and Bill,
have you had any cases where, in fact you have
there was for example, violent or malevolent spirit or even
demonic activity because of the use of a wisia work.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yes, for several I do believe the same thing with
you about the Oligi board.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
But slightly different.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
There's one difference I have that I talk about you
know that sometimes goes against what people think about the
Oligi boards.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
First of all, I do not really condone it for
I know paranormal teams that use it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I don't condone it for an investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
That to me, that's not what you should do. But
what I explain to people is probably what you tell them.
They are They are very dangerous. But here's the thing,
it's not the Ouiji bord.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
It is not a magical device. Yes, it's a wood.
It's a piece of wood.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Before they had that, people used to draw that on
tables and use a cup. And it's it's not that,
it's your intent of what you're doing and knowing how
to properly do it. You know, if I look, I
played around with it when I was young.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
You know I was stupid with that too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
But it's it's really not something you should play around
with because the chance of something happening is there and
it's real. And like like Joe, Frankie was the one
that always told me, and I will say this, I
hope he's wrong with this. He said, demons don't work

(01:11:41):
on your time. They work on their time. So if
you play with oisiboy when you're fifteen and you open
something up, that demon may come back when you're sixty
a prison lois moment and then come after you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I've been preaching there for twenty five years. If this
is what I this is what bill, This is what
drives me crazy, And this is why I don't I
don't understand why people can't connect the dots when you're
using a Wiji board. It is a form of possession
because when you have the board and you have the
planchet on the board, you are asking a spirit whose

(01:12:12):
identity you have no idea what you're connecting to. You
are allowing them to control your motor functions, your hands
to move the planchet. That in of itself is a
form of possession. So why would anybody do this? Why
would you surrender your skeletal system, your muscular system to
a spirit to be able to control and manipulate your

(01:12:33):
body to push the planchet. That is so it's irresponsible,
it is dangerous, and why people do it? It drives me.
And you're right, it's all about intent. Dangerous stuff, danger stuff.
This is a great question, and there's a lot of
great questions. Actually, what is your favorite device? When you investigate,

(01:12:56):
is there a particular favorite device? You're like, yeah, this
is perfect, Nicole is asking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
To me, there's no better piece of equipment than a
digital recorder, because when you know, a lot of a
lot of tools we use are flawed and there are things.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
That can set them off naturally. An audio recorder, especially
some of the older recorders we use. I still even
have some that have you know tape to them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
It's tough now because you always have to use a
new tape so that you don't have a chance of
you know, something still being on there from the last thing.
If you're erase it, there's still remnants of it. But
to me, those old recorders, there's they're so hard to
even get from the recorder to the computer to try
to manipulate them. But if you ask a question and

(01:13:50):
you get a direct response, and when I say direct response,
I mean something clear, not all the static.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
You have to be able to read that out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Or your mind just does audio paradilia and you start
hearing things that aren't there. But when you hear something
clear as day, to me, that is some of the
best evidence you can capture.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Feels very hard.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Is there a particular digital recorder that you we know
the real expensive ones, but is there a particular one
that you really really like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
There's a couple I like, there's a sony. I think
it's st I'm going to get this wrong. The twenty five,
the twenty five, and the ten. The twenty five is
really good, of course I have I do have a
DS sixty because I had to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I did not pay those prices for it though, But
I do have one and I do use it a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
And I will say this, We have captured me and
other people that have their own some of the most
compelthing vps ever on those recorders.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
But ninety percent of the time it is not anything,
or it could be, we just can't. It's just static.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
You have to understand that the recorder is flawed. So
as long as you can understand that, you will get
good ones from it. Sometimes I've had some that were
so clear. I mean, we had one up using the
R sixty up here at the little House that actually,
when they were asking a question, directed straight to me

(01:15:25):
and it said he's dead, and it actually talked over
the person asking the question. And then I had an
attachment for two weeks and one of the rare times.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
So now Michael's asking on Facebook about scrying. For those
of you who don't know what scrying is, it's like
it's referred to as seeing or peeping, its divination, fortune telling. Basically,
it involves gazing to a medium hoping to receive significant visions,
et cetera. Messages. What are your thoughts on on on this?

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Well, you know, I've never personally done it. I know
people who do many different types of scrying, water mirrors,
all types of different things, and you know, it's like
anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
I mean, what you're doing is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
A form of communication, so there's a good chance of
getting something we had.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
I worked real closely with War.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Party Paranormal, which Scotty used to be part of. They
are great people. They are really good investigators. They're amazing builders.
They build a lot of equipment and they've used some
things that are similar to scribing, but using smoke, and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
It seems you've seen some interesting things to it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
You know, it's it's a tough thing with scrying because
it's it's kind of like, you know, what's the You
have to try to balance the difference between is it
something real or is it something your mind is playing
the trick on you, because you know, we do have
a thing called paradolia, which is your mind, you know,

(01:17:10):
trying to make something familiar out of something unfamiliar.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
It's like the cloud Do you look at the clouds
and there's an animal?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Yeah, right right, So your your mind looks for that.
So and especially if you're doing this, that's what you're doing,
you're looking for.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Something, so I believe it's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
It's just like anything with the Luigi Board, like anything
that you're doing that's a communication. You're gonna get some
responses from it. I know people who swear by it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
And you said that's war party paranormal.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Yes, now a Scotti's team.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Okay, Now Starla is asking on TikTok, And again, folks,
I'm trying to get because there's multi If you're asking
multiple questions, I'm trying to get to them. There's a
lot of people asking questions, so we got to be fair.
But I've opened up the chat for everybody on TikTok,
so if you would like to ask a question, for
those of yours you're joining us. We're talking to my friend,
doctor Bill Slevin. He's a paranormal investigator, parapsychologists, demonologists, researcher, educator,

(01:18:06):
thirty six years of experience, PhD in parapsychology, metaphysical humanistic science,
and so of course he also has this team that
he's he founded Paranormal Existence Research Society. It's a pretty
interesting name. That's a cool name, by the way, Paranormal
Existence Research Society. So she asked, and I asked for clarification.

(01:18:26):
She says, do paranormal investigators have to conjure anything out?
And any clarification on the word conjuring things she's referring to,
do you have to basically call them out to get
evidence to provoke? What is your experience on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
That, Well, we should never ever provoke him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
In my opinion, we don't provoke because the only time
we provoke is me if I'm on a case trying
to assess if it could be demanded, because you have to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Provoke a little bit there to find out, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Well, that's one of the things we say that is
dangerous for people who don't understand things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
If they go into a home and maybe it is
something demonic.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
In there, but they don't know, they're just used to,
you know, a ghost, and they start throwing holy water
around and singing prayers. That's going to provoke it, and
that's going to call it out, and now they're not
going to know what to do. So I would stay
far away from provoking anything. You know, we do see
it on shows, and again it's entertainment at times, but

(01:19:30):
they're also in real places, using real equipment, and they
can easily provoke something, and I'm sure and we do know.
I will say, we do know some of them have
had problems.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
There's a again for those of you on TikTok. I've
opened up the chat for everybody. We had to close
the chat because I'll imagine there were some trolls coming
in and being really disrespectful. So can you imagine that
Amber's asking on TikTok, was there ever a case that
you just you had to walk away from?

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Well, yeah, yes, I will say yes. I have never
walked away from a case. I will never turn people away.
I've had people that gave us such problems, as you know,
and we went back and forth, back and forth. I
usually don't walk away. The only time I ever walked
away from a case when we did research on the

(01:20:32):
people and found them to be very violent, with violent
past crimes and many different charges on them to where
there was no way I was bringing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
My team into that house. Yeah, I guess not. On
the paranormal side.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Now, Aditi is on tiktoks asking can an entity or
has an entity ever followed you home? If you go
someplace else, Let's say you go to a location it's
known to have activity, you go back home, followed you home,
or you go to another location. As have you ever
had that experience.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
I've had things follow me home a few times. Most
of the time. This is this is where I believe
people get confused to when we say attachments. So attachment
doesn't always mean it's a ghost, you know, sitting on
your shoulders. It could mean that they just threw their
negative energy on you and now you're dealing with that

(01:21:33):
negative energy. So like a lot of places I tell them,
like if you go to Waverley Hills or places like that,
very rare something's going to follow you out of there because.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
They're attached to that place.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
But if you provoke it and piss it off, it
can throw its energy on you, you know, and come
home with you your energy, their energy comes home with you,
or something can follow you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
But it's that's more, in my opinion, more rare that
it just follows you out of there. True, you know,
I've had it a bunch of times. It's it's not fun.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
It is something that you won't realize what it is
at first because you're going to get you're.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Sick, you're having bad luck. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
I had to get the last one. I had to
get cleansed and blessed and to get it off me.
And it was it was a little bit of a nuisance,
you know. So I mean, be cautious anytime you go
on anything, even if it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Ghost tour, just be respectful. That's the only thing you
have to worry about. You're not going to go on
a ghost touring and counter demons. It doesn't work like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
And Don is asking on TikTok for those of who's
joining us, we're having our paranormal Friday conversation. Uh. And
Don is asking on TikTok, how do you explain a
ghost of Ice saying someone's in names? She is so
she was at her grandmother's grave and it said mom's name. Oh,
she said his name is Mom's name, over and over
and over.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Was this a device or was this because I'll tell
you the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Okay, So it was a device? Okay again, so Don,
you'll have to clarify. Was it an actual device? I
have a feeling it was probably an app But by
the way, Don just let us know either way. That
way you can clarify. And Jack's asking, what do you
feel about the ghost box. Is it similar to a
voice recorder? And your thoughts on that? She says that

(01:23:19):
it does an app?

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Again, is that is that the app? The ghost box app? Oh? No,
a spearbox.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Okay, ye, don doubt. Don says hers was an app,
and then Jackson's asking spirit Yeah, ghost box.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Okay, so the app.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
The problem is it depends on where you were, what
you were talking about. Like I said, some of them
use active listening, so they hear what you're asking. They
can actually pull names from your contact list just because
it doesn't ask you if you give permission to use
the stuff on your.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Phone, it doesn't mean it doesn't. It's very known that
it does. So it's it's tough to say on that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
I don't want to say it definitely not, but I
would think it was pulling something somehow from what you
guys were talking about or the area. But it is
possible if it's kept saying it repeated. It is possible
because it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Does use a word bank.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
So if it's repeating a name, that's a little more
you know, on the side of it could be something.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Now with spirit boxes ghost boxes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
They are one of those big things out there that
have a lot of controversy because you know, they do
scan radio frequencies, so.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
They do get noise and voices and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Everything from the radio stations. But the box is going
very fast. So what I say about this is, again
you also have audio parabelia. If you're sitting there and
you're listening to the Spirit Box and you have three
people there and they're asking questions and we say something
like did you work here or live here? Every person
in that room is now their mind is trained to

(01:24:56):
listen and listen for work or live.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
So definitely do what's called the ST's method or the
Delco experiment.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
So what that is as you put noise canceling headphones
into the fare box, you put them on your head
and you put either a blindfold for the ST's method
or the Delco goggles for the Delco experiment, and that
just all that does is it does red light deprivation
into your eyes. That enhances your psychic abilities. And when

(01:25:29):
you're listening, you cannot hear what we're asking. All you're
doing is yelling out anything you hear. And when you
watch the video back later and you see yourself responding
to a random word, maybe you heard. But it's a
direct response to somebody's question. That's where it becomes more

(01:25:49):
real because they have no influence of what's being asked.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Okay, so again, those of you are just doing it.
So I run the show on different computers, so I
got lots of chats open. Uh, so I can only
I can only ask one question at a time, So
just be patient. We're going to wrap things up here
pretty soon. But skipped grace is asking, Uh, where does
faith come in for you when doing your work?

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
For me?

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Faith is a you know, it is definitely a big part,
especially anything that comes to the demonic side, because that's
the only thing that protects you and that's the only
thing that could really help. We deal with a lot
of different faith We don't turn anybody away.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
We'll work with them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
We have people on my team that are pretty much
every faith you could imagine that we will work with
them with whatever faith they want.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
But when I go into a house and I'm checking
things out, no matter what they.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Think, I'm going to use my faith and what I
believe because that's the only thing that's going to protect
all of us.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
So it does play a big role.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
I mean, if you're not a very religious person, It
doesn't mean you can't become an investigator.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
I wouldn't try to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Be a demonologist, but you know, you can still do
what you're doing and maybe have somebody else on the
team that knows, that has more faith and can help.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Yes, the answer your question, The answer is yes. But
we're talking paranormal answer questions, the theological questions. In a
moment a lion's vs. D Well, I'm just going to
get the whole entire thing. He's asking, or they're asking,
what are what are your your Catholic You said you
are a raised Catholic. What are your views on tarill
readers and psychics and mediums? They said, the Bible is

(01:27:48):
clear on that. So what are your views on this
as far as your team and do you allow it?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Well, this is where I have a definite different of opinion,
maybe to my faith and stuff. I know a lot
of people, even my wife, who is religious, but she
does Tower readings, she does energy healing, which is using
a pendulum.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
I I believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
If they're doing it for the right reasons and.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
It's to help people, and I believe it is okay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
It's nobody on my team will do Tower readings. Or
or pendulum things or any anything to clients, because that's
even psychics on our team. Our psychic is not there
to give a reading to the client. They're there to
read the room and see what's going on. That's a
totally separate thing when you're on a team. So I

(01:28:47):
do support all of that, I just don't support it
on my team as a as a form of investigation.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
The pendulum is a little different because my wife.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Does that for energy healing, and that's a different story.
But that's how I feel on it enough.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
And again, for those of you are on TikTok, I
did put the sub chat on earlier because the troths
were coming in and being very aggressive and rude and disrespectful.
So we don't allow that here. We're all adults. We
don't put up with the nonsense. And then I turned
it off, and as long as people are kind and respectful,
I'll leave the chat for everybody. But again, I'm not

(01:29:24):
going to apologize for placing a sub chat on when
people come in and say some pretty vile things and
then people get upset because I put subchat on. Go
figure anyway, So let's see. Oh there's a well, one
more question that will wrap this up. Tara is asking
what would be a good equipment to start investigating with,

(01:29:46):
in your opinion, get.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
A recorder, that's the first thing. If you want to
film what you're doing, get some kind of camera. I
will tell you right now, it is very very rare
that you after anything on video. You know, you can
get the MF readers. I do like the spirit boxes.
They are very good, you know, as long as you

(01:30:11):
know how to use them. But for me, those are
kind of the basic things to start out. You know,
it's different if you go into a person's house, but
doing just regular investigations at places, those those are your
basic things that will come in the most handy in
my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Okay, and guys, we're not closing the show out. I'm
just I've held my our friend here for thirty minutes,
a little later than we anticipated. So again, just to clarify,
as a Catholic as you are, you personally are not
going out saying that people are going to burn the
fiery pits of Hell if they are a psychic medium.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
I missed a last that question.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
So you as a Catholic, So you're a Catholic, you
are you? Okay? With people saying, look, I have a
gift from God. I am a psychic, I'm a medium
as a Catholic. Are you okay with that? Or do
you say no, none of your practicing divination, you should
not do that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
No, No, I'm not against them. I'm not against them.
I mean I'm against the ones that are out there
taking advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Of people in the faith way, but in the in
the in the humane way.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Absolutely. So, first of all, how can people get in
touch with you? Besides obviously the email that you presented,
is there? There is there any way that they can
do this?

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
So my my website is easiest, it's and it's very simple.
It's Bill sleven dot com. Okay, all my social media
is Sleven Paranormal. So TikTok you too. And I just
want to say I have even though I'm an it
guy and I do know a lot about social media.

(01:31:58):
I have been so over the years with so many
things and taking care of so many cases, I don't
get to do a lot of social media. I am
working on it more now, like this year. You will
see my YouTube channel. It's there, it just doesn't have
a lot on yet. The same thing with TikTok It's
Loving Paranormal Instagram Sloven Paranormal. That's the easiest way to

(01:32:19):
find me. My website has all the links for everything.
If you want help, you can either reach me on
there or my team site is p E R s
f L dot com and you can fill out a
form there that will go right to me and we
will try to get through the best help we can get.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Well, okay, yeah, that's it. Well have I appreciate you
being here. I truly do, and and we will wait.
I'll address any other questions a little later. Then we'll
do that in just a second. But I really appreciate
you jumping on and chatting with us, So thank you
so much for doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
I appreciate you having me on. I really I do,
and it was I had a good time. And one
more thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
If anybody does have any questions concerning equipment, concerning their
photo or their video, whatever, they can email me anytime
and I will give them advice on anything, even for
things like what's the best protection, you know, anything. I
am always here to help. That's why I do this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
I appreciate that because that that's these A lot of
these equipment it's pretty tough.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Yeah, I mean it is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
That's not it's not easy. I mean that some of
these questions, some of these you have to almost have
a PhD just to figure out how to push the
turn it on.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Yes, there's a lot that is real difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
It is, it is. I'm just naturally blind. Well, well,
thank you so much again, Bill, and I'll reach out
to you after the show a little bit later on
and properly thank you, and and I appreciate you taking
the time.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
All right, thanks so much, talk to you soon. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Right, all right, everybody, that was our buddy Bill, So
we appreciate that. I certainly do. I certainly do. People
are mentioning a lot about Deuteronomy. That's fine, that's fine.
I'm concerned with people loving to throw, you know, Deuteronomy
around and judging groups of people and saying they're doing evil, etcetera, etcetera.

(01:34:22):
But yet they're not following all the other rules. Is
I find that interesting? For example, the dietary laws also
in Deuteronomy. Deuteronomy chapter fourteen, verse three through twenty one
includes restrictions on consuming certain types of animals, such as
pork and shellfish. So therefore if you're eating those animals, well,
we're supposed to unlive you. That's what Deuteronomy says. The

(01:34:42):
ritual purity. Also in Deuteronomy chapter twenty three, verse one
through eight, where it also regulations related to bodily discharges, infections,
adminstrations that were considered impure. Do you follow that? Probably not.
Deuteronomy Chapter twenty two, verse five, laws on clothing. It
prohibitions against wearing clothings made by mixed fabrics. It's interesting
you use Deuteronomy, but I guarantee you're wearing clothing right

(01:35:02):
now that's mixed fabrics. Do you follow that role? Probably not.
By the way, there's also laws on farming and agriculture
Deuteronomy chapter twenty two, verse nine through eleven. You do
not want to have a theological conversation with me, because
there's laws on farming and agriculture Deuteronomy chapter twenty two,
verse nine through eleven that clearly states there's restrictions on
planting different types of crops together and using oxen and

(01:35:24):
donkeys to plow the same field. And by the way,
if you eat food that whether planting is actually together,
you're actually considered unclean. What about Deuteronomy chapter twenty four,
verse one through four. Do you want to talk about
that as well? There's laws on divorce and remarriage. There's
guidelines on specifying conditions under which a man could divorce
his wife and remarry her again. But she can't divorce
her husband. If she does, is considered adultery. Now, do

(01:35:47):
you want to have a theological conversation with me and
throw up Deuteronomy in which you want to judge another
group of individuals, because if you do, you will lose.
Probably not okay, Sorry, there was just an individual that
was consistently throwing out Deuteronomy and judging our friend Bill.

(01:36:08):
And yet when your theological degree is from a PhD.
Crackerjack Box, you will not win against him who actually
studied theology and scripture. Now before I was rudely interrupted,
allow me to return. All right, So thank you very much. Bill.
We appreciate, appreciate that Satan is coming for you. Oh boy,

(01:36:32):
here we go. All right, Hold on, hold on, everybody,
Satan is coming for you. Say violin for Montrose. I'm

(01:36:52):
playing this song for you. I practice a lot. I've
composed that myself. Okay, it's called the name of the
song is called wah trolls, you know, wa trolls. Okay,

(01:37:16):
be blessed, be blocked. So anyway, when I was really interrupted, okay, yeah,
a splendid What you can do is go to USOCC
dot org and there's a lot of information there for you,
so yeah, certainly do so. Yeah that was Judy. Anne
sent me the smallest the world's Smallest violin. So anytime
trolls come in and I don't like you, and I

(01:37:36):
don't like thish and I don't like that, I just
play the World's Smallest violin because I really don't care.
This is my advice all of you. Never accept criticism
from a troll because you'll never go to them for advice.
So why waste your time listening to what they got
to say, because there's nothing they have to say that's
actually intelligent. So therefore you just block. Move move on,

(01:38:01):
there you go. I do believe in Bigfoot? None. Yah.
There's a great, great name, great name from a on
of TikTok None yall. He's asking do I believe in Bigfoot?
I do, and I'll tell you why. I've had this
particular show for twenty three years, the Sacred Division, and
I actually spoke. Yeah, yeah, I spoke to a He

(01:38:26):
was really interesting, a game warden in Alaska, and he
was a Native Alaskan and he's a game warden, and
I asked him a really fair question. I said, well,
maybe because he absolutely swears he saw a bigfoot. He's
a Native Alaskan born and bred, he's lived in the
woods all his life. And I said, well, maybe you

(01:38:46):
saw a bear or a moose. And he was very
kind when he said this, but it was very straightforward.
And he said, Bishop, if I don't know the difference
between a bear and a moose and a bipedal eight
foot creature, that I probably shouldn't be a game warden
in the state of Alaska. He had a point. I mean,

(01:39:09):
he's a Native Alaskan. They're in the woods. Hell O,
there got his word. They're in the woods, that's what
they do. And he's not selling he's not selling books,
he's not doing any of that stuff. He just said, look,
I know what I saw it, and he absolutely swears
that he saw a bigfoot. No, ifans are, but you're

(01:39:31):
not going to change you will not change his mind.
I said, what could have been a grizzly And again
he says, I know the difference between a grizzly and
a bi beetle creature that walks. I said, well, I
mean there have been, you know, grizzlies that have walked
a little bit. Anyway, I tried my best to challenge him,

(01:39:56):
but there was no way he was going to change
his mind. Thank you guys for the gifts. So because
of that, I believe there is something going on. I
have yah, Pamela. I believe there's something going on with
the Bigfoot. Now, personally, I am a mister producer. I
really would love to have someone who is a real professional. No,

(01:40:18):
it's not. I wouldn't say they're ghosts because there they
actually you can clearly see them. They're fully I mean
they're they're solid. I would love to have an expert,
a true expert, on with Bigfoot. So if you know anybody,
let us know, because I think that would be and
I'm not talking about somebody who's read or watched YouTube

(01:40:39):
videos and Bigfoot and said, well there's a big fold
out buying. You know, it's like, okay, here's the deal.
There's a lot of people who talk about, for example, demons.
There's a lot of people, Thank you And there's a
lot of people who go on social media and they
make videos on demons, and they act like they're experts

(01:41:00):
on demons, and yet they have never worked a demonic
case a day in their life, never once they watch
YouTube or any of these videos, and now they're experts
on demonology. Paind on mind to those people, with all
due respect, there's a big difference between watching a video

(01:41:21):
and regurgitating the information that you learn versus actually being
properly trained and working cases. There's a big difference between that.
It's not the same. Yeah, I'm from Kentucky, so sometimes
you're right, I don't speak from Kentucky. But sometimes that
that Kentucky twain can come out. I promise you it's there.

(01:41:43):
I just suppress it. Usually when I'm dealing with trolls,
the Kentucky Twain comes out because I have to be
able to relate to them. So then I reduce the
brain cells and then they understand I do the best
I can. I try, I try so, and that's right. Yeah,

(01:42:04):
And even Native American tribes are quite clear that not
only are they convinced that Bigfoot exists, but also even UFOs. So,
by the way, don't forget friends, listen to this guys.
Next week's show is going to be just as great
as this show. There is an individual that I actually

(01:42:26):
saw on TikTok and I reached out to him and
I said, please be on the show. He escaped from
North Korea twice. That in of itself is a miracle.
That truly is a miracle. And the fact is that
he escaped twice from North Korea and he is going

(01:42:50):
to be on the show next Friday to talk about
his experience. That you know, I am. I know, I
know that it's a paranormal Friday show, but I really
wanted to have him on the Friday night show because
it is so it's such an interesting case. So make

(01:43:12):
sure that you show up. I ask questions and we
will ask him. It's not often. Yeah, he is, he's
in he's in the United States, But it is not
often that you find someone who escaped North Korea first
of all once, let alone twice, and that should be

(01:43:34):
It's going to be really remarkable, really remarkable. So he's
an articulate young man and or the story wow, So
it's going to be a great So we're looking forward
to it, looking forward to it. A little bit long name. Yes, okay,
it is frightening.

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
You know, I don't know who the derby. I don't
know because unfortunately I've been well, not unfortunately, I've been
so busy. Well well, I don't want to get into no, no, no,
I don't want to get into I don't want to
get ahead of myself and tell you his story and
why he went back. No, no, no, no. So you'll you'll
have to tune in next Friday, seven pm Eastern Standard time.

(01:44:17):
Right here live, we'll have him on the show. Now,
look at this. Uh, this is interesting for those of
you who are gamers out there. TK Randall writes this,
there is a bizarre bigfoot simulation video game. It lets
you live as Sasquatch. Well if you've ever wanted to

(01:44:39):
roam around the forest as a cryptozoological hometed, well now
you can. Developed by Planet forty seven Games, the game
enables the player to become Bigfoot and engage in all
type typical activities that you might expect a tall harry
bipedal that means walking on two legs, ape like beasts
to spend its time on so catch and eat fish, insects,

(01:45:00):
and other creatures. That's the game. The game synopsis states
forage the forest. That means eat them the forest, mushrooms, berries,
and more. Build shelters to store your items to get
to the harsh Winners earn extra points by breaking branches
and scaring the wildlife. The game has its share of
obstacles too, from bigfoot hunters try to take pictures of you,

(01:45:23):
to adverse weather conditions. The game, by the way, is
called Bigfoot Life. I think I might have to check
this out. It is a latest example. You know, mister producer,
You'll have to check this out too. It's called Bigfoot
Life is the latest example of the highly popular simulator
game genre, which seeks to simulate things that you wouldn't

(01:45:44):
normally expect to be simulated, like a Bigfoot life and
one of the weirdest examples. Believe it or not, there
is a game a simulation. The game is called I
Am Jesus Christ. This is a true story. The game

(01:46:05):
is called I Am Jesus Christ. It is still in development,
but aims to enable the players to role play as Jesus,
complete with performing miracles and walking on water. There's also
a highly popular goat simulator series, Really I mean, really,

(01:46:38):
what's the excitement of that, man? I mean, okay, well, anyway,
what's next? A lockless monster simulator. Well you can find
all of the above mentioned games on the stream platform
for PC. So anyway, there it is everybody. If you

(01:47:01):
want to if you want to be Bigfoot, the game
is called Bigfoot Life, and you can learn how to
be then live your life as Bigfoot. Fun then anyway,
the I am Jesus Christ boy, that's still in development.
That's crazy, and really it's highly think of this a

(01:47:22):
highly popular series, Bigfoot. I'm not Bigfoot a goat simulator?
Have any of you played this? I'm legitimately, I am,
I am honestly, I'm curious. Have any of you you've
played it? Bill? Oh, come on, I'm curious. Has anyone

(01:47:46):
played this? User on TikTok sayss one of your favorite games. Okay,
I have to do this. I have to do this. Okay.
So what you're saying to me is there is a

(01:48:08):
goat simulator, and well, hold on, hold on, m hm, yeah,
most of them are most of the most of the
orbs are are nonsense. I'm trying to find this. Hold on,

(01:48:34):
So here we go. That was fun. You could be
a bird simulator next. Okay, so that that that's is?
That is that what you do? It's just bazz or

(01:49:07):
oh shut up, Well that was fun, I guess I won. Okay. Anyway,
for those of you who are listening to this on

(01:49:28):
our podcast, I say good night to you and have
a very blessed evening. I want to remind everybody that tonight, tonight,
in one hour from now, we're going to open up
the chat to everybody because we have night prayer. So
please make sure that you'd stay with me. TikTok. I'll
be with you guys at a moment. If you like
to stick around with us, you certainly can. I will

(01:49:50):
have this on podcast and all you have to do
is simply go to Bishop James Long and click on
the social media leaks. You'll see it on spreaker. But
for those of you on Facebook and YouTube and Twitter
and kg R a dB radio and everywhere else, we
certainly appreciate you guys being here. And remember your value

(01:50:10):
does not decrease based on a troll's inability or refusal
to see your worth. You're priceless and don't let any
goat or troll tell you otherwise, good night guys.

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