Special Guest who Escaped North Korea

Bishop Long interviews a special guest who escaped North Korea... Twice!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Okay, everybody, Hello, and welcome to the presentation. Thank you
so much for being here. We are now live with
our friends on TikTok, and we're live on all of
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And hello, Hello, Hepy Friday. Do you hopefully you're having
a great Friday wherever you are in this brutiful, brutiful world. Yeah,
it's Friday. It is Friday. That goodness, gracious, I am

(00:40):
ready for it. Let me tell you, I am ready
for very for the weekend. I don't know about you, guys,
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the Beg's. The song is called Tragedy, and I don't
know if you've ever heard it, but it's definitely in
the top forty. Maybe seventy years ago, but nonetheless it
should be in the top forty all the time. Yeah, Jim,
we have a night prayer later on the Hold on
one second, okay, everybody, I'm Bishop James Long, Welcome to
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So here's what you need to do. If you want
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usually start around nine to fifty pm Eastern Standard time.
But hello o there, Arland, and if you want us
to pray for your prayer petitions, this is what you

(02:49):
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You'll see it's very simple. It says place prayer request
in the comments for tonight's night prayer. Make sure you
do that before eight pm Eastern Standard time. We have
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That's for tonight at our night Prayer ten pm Eastern.

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petitions in the comments. Make sure again you do that
before eight pm Eastern Standard time. Also, please please please

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put your first name in there, because I mean, if
you know, if you have a username big Mama one two, three,
four five, We're not going to say big Mama wants
to pray for this. That's not something we're going to
do during night prayer, just saying you probably you know,
just put you you know, sometimes the user names are
a little interesting and we you know, there's some time

(03:58):
we will obviously, so make sure you do that, okay. Yeah,
and for those of you in TikTok, we're going to
try to leave the chat onden for everybody I prefer. Well,
let me just address this very quick question about Mary.
Even though that's not really the topic of the discussion.
People always think that we pray to Mary as we
pray to God. That actually would be that's heresy and

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that's not what the Catholic teaching at all, never has,
never will. It's called intercestorary prayers in the same manner
you asked me to pray for you. Then we go
to marry and ask Mary to pray for us. That's it.
It's as simple as that. There really is not any
more complicated than that. It's really not and that's it. Okay,
all right, Well I'm going to ask one to answer

(04:42):
one more question because a lot of people are coming
in attacking my faith and saying, Jesus said, don't call
anyone else on earth father. Okay, please understand that the
Roman Catholic Church didn't exist when Jesus actually said that.
Jesus was actually speaking to the Pharisees. If you read
scripture and you understand it in context, then you would
understand what Jesus was saying. The Pharisees loved titles to
lord it over the people. Jesus called them a brute

(05:03):
of vipers, and he didn't like the Pharisees because he
was The Pharisees would judge the Jewish people because they
were not following all six hundred and thirteen laws on
the Holiness Code. And yet they themselves were not following either,
and they were judging the Jewish people saying, well, you're
not following Wall six hundred and ten. Well, neither were
the Pharisees, so Jesus didn't like them. Jesus was speaking
clearly to the Pharisees. If you look at the scripture,

(05:25):
you will find that that's what he was referring to. Okay, anyway,
but if I have to, I will put subchat on
and then only subscribers will be able to chat to
our guests. I would prefer everyone had the opportunity to
speak to our special guest tonight. So the only thing
that we asked is people be kind. That's it. Just
be kind, all right. And by the way, Catholicism is Christianity.

(05:51):
As a Catholic, I accept Jesus as my Lord, and
Zapor that's a Christian Christian as well. Today, normally we
have our we always have an interesting show on Friday nights.
It's our Supernatural. We talked about demonology and we have
all kinds of topics on Friday nights. Tonight is going

(06:13):
to be very very special. Uh So I was going
through TikTok and I saw this, this gentleman's TikTok, and
I thought, wait a minute, this can't be this can't
be there. What's there's some type of what's going on here?
And I was paying attention and listening, and I thought, Okay,

(06:33):
I've got to I've got to reach out to him
and see if he'd be willing to be on a show.
And he was very gracious, and I'm sure he gets
lots of messages, very kind and responded and we chat
back and forth, and uh so he said, yeah, So
let me let me tell you who's going to be

(06:55):
our special guest for this evening. Guys, this is rare
if you look, and you probably know this as well,
but it's very rare that you're able to speak to
anyone from North Korea or who lived in North Korea.
That's rare in of itself. It is ultra rare to

(07:18):
be able to speak to someone who escaped North Korea,
not once, but twice. Now that in of itself, in
my opinion, Charles, who is our guest, I think he
should be on CNN, the Fox News. I think he

(07:40):
should be on every platform there is because this is
such an ultra rare opportunity. And so I want to
let me give you a little introduction to our guests
for this evening. Charles Riu. He's thirty years old. He
lives in the United States, He first escaped from North

(08:01):
Korea in two thousand and eight at the age of
fourteen years old imagine, and at fifteen he was captured
by the Chinese government and forcibly returned, where he was
tortured and interrogated. He was then imprisoned in a North
Korean detention center for defectors, forced up to work up

(08:24):
to twelve hours a day while surviving on one hundred
and fifty kernels of corn cow feed. After nine months,
Charles was released and sent to work in a coal mine,
and then around the age of seventeen, he made his
second and successful escape. And I am truly so here's

(08:52):
what we're I'm going to do. What we're going to
do is We're going to bring Charles on and then
I'm going to just have him tell his story to
all of you without interruption, no interruption, and then we're
going to ask some questions together. And because I have
a lot of questions that I'm sure you do as well,

(09:13):
and so let's bring out our special guests. Hello there,
Charles Reu, how are you, buddy the show.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's my honor to be here and share my story.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, I want to thank you so much. First, of all,
for your willingness to come on and chat with our community.
And I mean the bravery, my goodness, gracious, truly, I
watch a lot of your videos. He is on TikTok
and we're going to share a matter of fact, I
want to do this now. Let's tell everybody on TikTok
where can they find you?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
You can actually go find my profile at Charles North Korea.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
That's one word, Charles North Korea.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
There we are Charles North Korea. Everybody. So if you're
on TikTok, make sure you follow Charles. So Charles, I
don't I don't want to interrupt. I just want you
to tell us your story and then yes, we'll have
lots of questions for you if if that's okay.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yes, of course, of course, absolutely yes. So, like I said,
I have escaped Old Korea twice. First time when I
was fourteen and second time when I was like six
and a half. And let me tell you, when I
was escaping North Korea for the first time, I did
not know that I was escaping North Korea because my

(10:26):
dad is half Chinese and he lived in China. But
I was left back in North Korea and so basically
my dad was born in North Korea as half Chinese,
and he met my mother and had me.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Therefore it makes me quarter Chinese.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
But when I was five, my dad abandoned me and
my mother and left to China and he never came back,
and I lost my mother six years later from starvation.
From then on, I had to figure out basically how
to live alone, begging for food from the stranger strangers
in the street and battling starvation and freezing winter weather

(11:11):
and yeah, when I was yeah, and then when I
was fourteen, my dad sent my half brother to rescue me.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
So that's how I got the opportunity to escape North Korea.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And go to China. So basically, my dad had arranged
a broker who basically paid the North Korean guards. Right,
so in North Korea there are guards everywhere alongside the borders.
It's called Yago River, and there are there are guards

(11:46):
every one hundred meters and waiting for you to shoot,
waiting to shoot you. But my half brother and my
dad arranged a broker.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
That broker.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Paid off the guard and eventually the broker told me
that okay, so if you were to cross this and
you know, go to like yeah, So when nobody is looking,
just go to the river, pretended that you're taking a bath.
And when nobody's looking, just go to your dad, and
you're gonna go live with your dad, and.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
That's gonna be it. So I was like, okay, I'll
do that.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
So, you know, a day broadlight, I swam across, you know,
I went, I went into the Yellow River, and then
I swam across the Yellow River and then my dad
was was on the other side waiting for me with
a taxicab and then we drove off. And you know,
life in China was so much better than in North

(12:45):
Korea because, like in North Korea, if you were to
watch South Korean dramas or any kind of foreign medias,
you could be jailed. And you like, if you get
capture with a bible in North Korea, not just you,
but your entire three generations of your family will be

(13:08):
sent to political prison camp. So basically it was no
freedom of movement, there's no freedom of religion, there is
no freedom of speech, there's no freedom of information.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
But when I came to China, it was so different.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Literally, I tell people that coming to China felt like
getting into a time machine and just fast forwarding fifty
years into the future because in North Korea we didn't
have any of that.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I didn't have any of that.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
And you know, I lived in China for about nine
months and you know, my life was it was like heaven.
But unfortunately that happiness short lived because my neighbor actually
reported me to the authorities and I got captured and

(13:59):
I was back to North Korea and I was sent
to a interrogation like a so so the North Korean
secret police you know, beat me and interrogated me and
forced me to confess that I was trying to defect
the South Korea. But I told them that, you know,

(14:19):
I went to China to live with my father and
that I had no desire to defect to South Korea.
And eventually they released me to the North Korean Defector's
detention center, where I was fed one hundred and fifty
kernels of cowfee. So it's like a corn, but it's

(14:41):
it's not the corn that we eat here in America
or anywhere. It's it's it's actually modified to like a
feed cows and pigs. Yeah, and we had to work
up to twelve hours every day. It does no matter
what it is is there constructions, farmings and chopping, then

(15:04):
the trees.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
You name it, we do it.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
And you know, one morning, we're marching in our roaster
work site and I saw a dry vomit on the road,
and I was so hungry that I got on my
hands and knees and began picking the rise out of
the vomits. And I didn't stop eating the vomited rice
until the beating from the guards were too unbearable, and

(15:31):
and night the guards were storming the ourselves and force
us to recite the rules of the camp right, and
there were many rules, and you had to memorize them,
and even if you misquote it, even one of them,
they would force you to stand all night until work
began the next morning.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
It was, you know, it was on one of those sleepless.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Night that I vowed I will not die here and
I would escape Mold Korea again. And about nine months
later I was finally released because you know, I couldn't
even stand up or even lift my arm, and I
had lost so much weight that I was a worthless

(16:18):
worker and they sent me back home. And essentially, if
I was an adult. Right after the North Korean Defector's
attention center. I would go to four years of additional
labor camp, but because I was a minor at the time,
I was released to my half brother's house with you know, my.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Half brothers a supervision and.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Care and I spent many months trying to regain my strength,
but without you know, any money, there was no way
of supporting myself. And eventually my half brother told me that, well, Charles,
now you're fifteen, you are on your You're you're a

(17:05):
man now, so you have to take care of yourself.
So that's why I started working at a coal mine. Now,
the most of other boys that working in the mine
were my age, and we would push a thousand pounds
still cocrte miles into the mountain. Then we'll crowd down
the smaller tunnels with the sacks and only return once

(17:29):
they're full. Right, And there are cavens, there are accidents,
and I've seen you know, other people lose their arms
and even lives because of those cavens and accidents, And
I thought to myself, well, like inevitably that is going
to be me one day, and I thought, you know,

(17:53):
it's far worth for me to try to escape North
Korea again and dying trying to escape North Korea again
then actually dying in a coal mine. So I decided
to escape again in August of twenty eleven. So I
got on a train illegally again in North Korea, there

(18:15):
are no freedom of movement, so it was impossible. It
would have been impossible for me to get on a
train because there are checkpoints on all major roads in
North Korea, and there are guards on the train with guns,
and they would check your tickets and your identifications, right,

(18:35):
But for me, I was you know, I was I
was a child, and I lied to those guards and
that my mother had the tickets, and you know, I
would bring them back to you when I find my mom.
So eventually I got on the train and then I
wrote that train for about two days. And in North Korea,

(18:57):
like from one end of to another end of Korea,
if you were to drive, it would take you about
about eight hours. Because the Korean peninsula combined, it's still
smaller than half of California. But because there are a
lot of power outs in North Korea, the train, the

(19:19):
train would just stop middle of nowhere, right, so we
would move for like two hours, and we would stuff
for like eight hours and move for another five and
we were stuff for another like ten hours, and eventually
I came to the border town because like I did
have to like play hide and seek with thee with

(19:41):
the police officers on the train, and sometimes I would
have to hide, you know, I would have to climb
out of the out of the train window and climb
on top of the train, or sometimes I have I
would have to hide the hitch between the two cars
to avoid the guards because because if I were to

(20:01):
get caught, then I'll be sent back to my hometown
and I'll probably go to labor camp and I'll probably
starve to death. And eventually I came to the border
town two days later, and I walked to the river
that divides North Korea and China, and I hid in

(20:23):
the tall grass for many hours waiting for the darkness.
And when I finally thought he was safe, I quietly
waded into the water, and in the middle of the river,
I slipped on a rock and I lit out a
gasp right and immediately a flood of light was on
my back, and I heard the gar screaming at me

(20:44):
and that like he would shoot me if I didn't
turn back. But I knew I was that either way,
either he would shoot me or I would obey and
return to the shore, only to be shipped off to
labor camp, right, And I was not going to, you know,
do I was not going to like do that, because

(21:05):
you know, I've been in the Detendent Center basically labor camp,
like like the long hours of hard manual labor, the
constant feelings of hunger, and the sleepless night that I
you know, spent memorizing the rules. And I was not
going to let that happen. And I kept waiting ahead,
and the guard kept screaming at me, but he eventually

(21:26):
never you know, he never pulled the trigger. And I attempted
to China side. And you know, I because at the
when I first escaped North Korea, my father was was
on the other side waiting for him with a taxi camp.
But this time it was like I was all alone
and I needed to get out of the city as

(21:47):
soon as I could.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
So I literally took off.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Running and I walked in the fourth Chinese forest for
three days without any water or food, and eventually my
shoe fell apart. My feet up blisters and it popped
and it started bleeding. So I could no longer walk,
so I gave up in the middle of a road.

(22:13):
And when I let me just go back just a
little bit and tell you about how I met Jesus. So,
when I first came to China, a South Korean pastor
came to my house and he gave me a book
of Matthew right. And I'm not sure why Matthew, but

(22:34):
she gave me Matthew. And each time she come visit me,
he would give me like Chinese yen, like based on
how many pages of Matthew I've read, right, So if
I were to read like three pages, then he would
give me three yen. So I usually tell people that
the South Korean missionary bribed me into the kingdom. And

(23:00):
he also taught me how to pray. And you know,
when I when I first got captured, and you know,
going through all of these struggles of you know, picking,
you know, eating live you know mice right because I
was so hungry, and picking corn out of my own poop,
because I was so hungry, and eating all this dry
vomit like rice, you know, off of the grounds, like

(23:22):
and each night, like I you know, oftentimes like I
was forced to stand and keep a watch of other inmates.
But each of those time, like I'm standing, you know,
looking out the window, looking at the sky, it's like
like the calmness, like the presence right like like the
the like a like a presence of peace in my heart. Anyway,

(23:47):
so fast forward a little bit back to uh the forest,
and you know, I eventually gave up and I, you know,
I collopsed in the middle of the road and I
started crying because, you know, all of these regrets just
kim flooding, you know, kim like flooding. Because if I
were to stay in North Korea, like I would have

(24:08):
some food in my stomach and I would at least
have you a roof over my head right now, and
I wouldn't die like this. And you know I remember that. Okay,
let me just pray, Let me just pray to God,
and I kneel down and I pray to God, if
you're up there, and.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
If you're listening, please don't let me die like this.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
And miraculously, some time later, a Chinese guy who was
driving a motorcycle passes me by and he stops, Oh
comes back story, yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
And he he he asks.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Me, I think she knows where I am. But he
was just in shock that like he's asking like, where
are you from? And I told him that, you know,
I I'm from North Korea and that I'm looking for
my father. And you know, I could see like the
concern in his face because helping a North Korean vector
in China you could get into serious trouble in China.

(25:13):
But you know, after some time later, he picked me up,
he put me on his motorcycle. We drove for another,
you know, eight hours. We went to his house in
the next morning. He connected me to a South Korean
pastor who actually gave me money and then put me

(25:35):
on a bus that went to the city where my
dad used to live.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
So yeah, that's how I went.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I came to China, right and I walked to my
dad's house right with. I mean, the Chinese guy gave
me like clothings as well. He gave me some medications
for my feet and gave me shoes. So anyway, I
walk in my dad's house and he sees me and
he's just in absolute shock and he webs out a

(26:04):
belt and start beating me and asking like asking me,
like did you kill a person in North Korea?

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Is that why?

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Because it doesn't make sense to him, like like a
seventeen year old kid, a child risking his life to
crossing international border and coming to China. That does not
make sense to him. But you know, I told him no,
I was hungry. You know, I wanted to I missed you.
I wanted to see you. You know, I wanted to
live with you. Yeah, And eventually he accepted me. And

(26:37):
then you know, eventually my dad was like, Okay, so
you can't stay in China because you're gonna get captured
and you're gonna be sent back to North Korea again,
but this time you're gonna be an adult.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
You're going to be eighteen, and this is your.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Second time escaping North Korea, so there is no mercy
for you. So you can't stay in China. So you
got to go to South Korea. So my dad found
a broker that was helping North Korean refugees escape from
China to Southeast Asia and come to Thailand. So I
was in that route and I came to Thailand eventually,

(27:14):
and I applied for a political asylum to United Nation
and United Nations accepted me, and then United Nations the
Unions f which is I think it's the Union, Seff.
I'm not sure if you're in the Union SF. But yes,
UNISEFF accepted me and they sent me to California, where
I was resettled. Yes, so yeah, Kris Amaritan, and I

(27:39):
am grateful, very thankful that I am here.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
And it's very different.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
I came to America without speaking any English.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
But you know, I attended high school.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
I graduated high school, and you know, I worked at
many different jobs, like I used to work at Panda Express,
I worked as Subway, the sandwich shop, and I worked
at Starbucks. And I used to work as a driving
instructor and Uber driver, Lyft.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Driver, and you name it. I've done it all.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
And eventually I went to a coding boot camp in
northern California and I learned. I learned how to code,
and now I work as a software engineer for a
small company based in California. And you know, ever since then,
I've got married and I have a life here. So
I'm very blessed, you know. And I tell people that

(28:35):
my story is definitely unique, but it is not uncommon.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
There are many people. There are many. There are thirty
four thousand, almost thirty.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Five thousand North Korean refugees that resettled in South Korea.
And there are about four hundred officially documented North Korean
refugees in the US, right, and not all of speaks English,
and not all of them can actually share their stories
because their family are still back in North Korea. And

(29:07):
if North Korean regime finds out that one of your
family members escaped North Korea and went to you know,
either America or South Korea and sharing the sharing the
experience of what it was like in North Korea, they
will punish. The North Korean regime will punish the family
members back in North Korea.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Right.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
So in a way for me, it's it's a blessing
that I can do this, and it's a blessing that
I don't have real tice back in North Korea, so
that I can be the voice to the voiceless North Koreans.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, for those of you, again, if you're just tuning in,
So we are interviewing our new friend Charles Reu and
he escaped North Korea, telling a story escaped twice, yes,
and he's he's here with us, and so he and chat,
we can chat and have his Really, I appreciate so

(30:05):
much of the conversation and and you're telling I'm honestly
telling this the bravery what you went through. For those
of you who's on TikTok, Charles North Korea all one word,
Charles are at Charles North Korea. Uh, that is where
you can find him. And yes, a lot of a

(30:25):
lot of great videos. There a lot of great videos
that we have, I have. There are so many questions
that people want to ask you about North Korea and
if and so, if you mind, we'll we'll open up
the conversation and some questions. Is that all right?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
That's fine with me?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
And I guess I want to mention that you know,
not just on TikTok, but I all the social media platforms.
I'm trying to be the voice to the voiceless North Korean.
So it's on YouTube, it's on Instagram, and it's on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
So Charles Charles North Korea is on all these social
media platforms that you have.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, there you go. All right, So everybody on if
you want to go on YouTube or Facebook or other
social media Charles North Korea, make sure you check that
out and give him a follow. Serious enough, yes, So
let's let's open up. First, let's start about North Koreans.
What are the some of the biggest misconceptions that people
have about life in North Korea.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, sure, that's a great question.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
And you know, I get this question a lot, like
is every North Korean, you know, every single one of
the North Koreans are brainwashed and every North Korean wants
to go to war with America, or you know, like
is every North Korean believes that, you know, Kim Jong
Tun or Kim Jong Ill is like a god figure.

(31:47):
While it's true, like people do believe in the regime,
Like North Korea doesn't have like the religion, right, so
it's like it's like a worshiping the regime.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
That's that's not really a thing.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
We don't have to work for, like worship or dictatorship
or like even human rights.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
We don't have work for human rights.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
So and not everyone are like they are brain launched,
but not everyone believes that, at least like me, I
didn't believe that when I was in North Korea, and
my friends didn't believe that either, because you know, group
of friends we watch like smuggled in foreign medias, like

(32:28):
I watched the Double O seven when I was in
North Korea. And I used to watch this, uh the
Hollywood movie called Bad Boys one. So I tell people that, well,
you know, Martin Lawrence and Will Smith was my inspiration
for escaping North Korea. But yes, so, and also like

(32:48):
some of the North Korean people, like like the elites, right,
the people who live in Kumyang, Like they live like
far better life than you know, any middle class amus
like they because they're chosen people, like they can freely travel,
like for example, like diplomats, right, they are handpicked by
the regime, and they're very special and they can travel

(33:12):
outside of North Korea and they are you know, they
live far better life than anybody.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Therefore, like why would they betray the regime?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
So, so the short answer is, like I guess, like
the misconception is that, like, not every North Korean wants
to go to war with America, and not every North
Koreans their brain wants not every North Koreans believe that
like Kim's families are the saviors of North Korea.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, and and I agree, Uh, it's like cl three
or six one two. This man's story is filled with
so much suffering and the will to live is truly inspiring.
I agree. I agree with that completely. And now Monstar
is asking because Monstar is a chef, since food was
so scarce in North Korea, what was or is his

(34:06):
favorite food in America and snacks the certified chef, and
they say, I need to know, Yes, you.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Know, I I love a good steak.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I love because because in North Korea, like knit, like,
the meat is luxury, right, it's very scarce, like you
can't afford it, like very very rarely.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
You eat meat.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
But ever since coming to America, I have meat like
every single meal, right, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So that's
the steak is one of my favorite food. And also
in and out, it's in it's it's in California. I
think that that's the like the California signature kind of
like Hamburger.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Uh. Now Starla is asking from TikTok. I have a
question for Charles. Is it true that family members pay
for generations if one member of their family breaks the law?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
That is correct?

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yes, So it depends on what kind of crime that
you commit. So holding up Bible, right, that's one of
the biggest and three generations of your family will be
persecuted and talking bad about the regime that will also
get you a generational punishment. And most of all, talking

(35:31):
bad about Kim's family directly. That that's that's like the
public execution, kind of public execution worthy of crime in
North Korea.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Okay, I've always you know, I'm fascinated with the documentaries
on North Korea and tourists going to North Korea, and
they're very very stricted as far as far restricted on
what they can do, what they can film, and especially
who they can interact with because they have minders there.
So why are I pretty I think I've figured out

(36:07):
the answer, But why are tourists prohibited from interacting with
the local North Koreans? Well, like you know Pyongyang, you know,
because the people you said in Pyongyang, ping yang Yang, Sorry,
they're more of the elitist.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, well, James, they're well, they're not.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
They are encouraged, right, I'm putting on the air air quotes. Uh,
they're encouraged to actually interact with locals in Kunyang. Right,
it's not just anywhere else that they can't interact because
people in Pyongyang they have been trained months on end

(36:49):
for your arrival, right, they're trained in English. They're trained
the way they behave, they're trained in the way they
say about the regime they are, They're trained to do
things in front of people, right, and you're encouraged to
interact with them. It's not just outside of that, it's
not allowed because those people aren't trained, right.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
So and also like.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Like because like they would take you on a tour
of like you know, from from Punyang to like Gasan
or Punyang to like gas Home, right, different cities like
Punyang's howe Wan, Tunjin or all of those places, but
in the in those roads, you are strictly prohibited from
talking to those like locals in outside of Punyang because

(37:34):
you know, like foreigner coming into North Korea and meeting
them and telling them about the life outside of North
Korea because North Korean people don't know anything about what's
going on outside, like the truth of what's going on
outside of North Korea. Like North Korean people know that,
Like this is how I learned in North Korea about

(37:55):
America and South Korea.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
So so America is you know.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Like they're all like like the way that North Korean
like region portraits America is like were wolves, right, It's like, uh,
North Korean soldier destroying like American soldiers like dressed up
like in ourga with long nose and and and and
like big facial hair and like basically.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Like a were wolf. So that try they're trying to
humanize Americans.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
And the way that they talk about South Korea, it's
like South Korea is so poor that children are forced
in the street selling gums and polishing Americans military shoes
to make ends meet, right, And that's what we're taught.
And they don't know anything about what's going on outside
of North Korea. But if a tourist would come into

(38:45):
North Korea and tell them about the truth of what's
happening outside of North Korea, people will rebel, like they would,
you know, bring everything they have and and try to
overthrow the government, and they overthrow the regime and they
can't take at risk. So that's why, yeah, and the heaven.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
So Elle was asking, And of course I have this
as one of my questions as well, because I saw
this as well on documentary. And the documentary stated that
every home is required to have a picture of the
leaders Kim Jong UN's father and grandfather and that if yes,
if those pictures are damaged in any way, or for example,

(39:25):
if there's a fire in your home, you better make
sure that you you save those pictures. Those pictures must
be saved first. Is that correct or is that incorrect?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
So let me tell you a story. Yeah, I'm gonna
say yes.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
And so in every child in America, if you were
to ask them what is their dream, one hundred percent
of them will say probably somewhere along the lines of
president astronaut, right, a firefighter, let's say, like a pilot. Right.

(40:00):
Those are the very common, you know dreams that kids have,
which is normal in North Korea, that is not the case.
They want to be a human shield or Kim Jong il, right,
And that goes the same way to the parents as well,
Like you are expected to take care of the Kim

(40:23):
Il sung's portrait, right, it so when you assigned it
housing the pictures, right, Kimil Song and Kim Jong yell
and now Kim Jong un, three of them are actually
comes with the house standard.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
So it's like, I guess, like a like a bundle.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
It's a bundle the feature and you are entitled to
take care of it. And it's like the secret police
would come to your house wearing white gloves. Right, they
would come to your house unannounced randomly, and then they
would actually wipe across the on top of the frame

(41:00):
right of the portraits. And if it's dirty, then you
go to six months jail. Right because the parents are
required to sit it is set a good example to
their children. Right, So you're showing like you're showing the
royalty and and like what kind of message are you

(41:20):
giving it to your child if you don't take care
of like our dear leaders like portraits.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Right, So yes, so you will get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
And like there was a when I was in North Korea.
I mean I saw I saw a lot of these
like propagandas and you know North Korean documentaries about people
in a fire, you know, they're instead of they saving
their child, like they would grab the Kiminozon Kim Journal's
portrait and coming out and losing their child.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
You know. Yeah, it's yeah, that's a real thing.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
So I have to ask this. I mean, I find
Kim Jong and such a sadistic, evil, demonic human being.
I'm sorry, I just simply do. And I find it
appalling that any human being, any leader, can be so
callous in removing human life and the fact that this

(42:12):
man is morbidly obese. He lives a life of extreme elitism,
extreme elitism where his people are not, with all due respect,
are are eating corns from vomit, and this varmin, this varmin,
Kim Jong un, has the audacity to show up in

(42:33):
some of the most luxurious vehicles and homes. My question
for you is this, how in the world can anybody
who is barely struggling. I mean, let's say that you're
not an elitist in Pyongyang, that your your middle class
or even lower class. How could anybody look at Kim
Jong un with grateful love seeing that this person who

(42:57):
obviously indulges indulges in food and pleasure, and yet people
are barely surviving just to be able to put food
on the table for their kids. Are is there is
there true resentment towards this man who clearly over indulges
this or or do they not see that at all?

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yes, so that is a great question, and yes I
agree with you. It's yeah. I say that to like,
you know, I say that to people.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
North Korean regime is not a government, it's a regime,
and more than a regiment, it's a cartel. Right, they're
they're helding their people hostage, right, and their their like
and the way that actually they are successfully maintained this
total dictatorship is because you know, not Korea is completely

(43:47):
blocked out from the rest of the world. Right, no
information gets in, no information gets out. And from such
a young age, you are trained, right, you are trained
about the regime. You're trained about Kim's family and show
the respect.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Right and and.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
That's why there is like three generational punishment exists, right
if you disobey the regime and people are fearing. Right,
it's not just you that will get in trouble, it's
your entire bloodline that will actually get in trouble if
you misbehave or even say something wrong.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Right, Like in America, like we can say, oh.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I hate Trump or I hate you know, I hate
like Obama and he can say that and nothing will
happen to you, right, But in North Korea, if you
said that, you are gone, like, not just you, but
your entire generations with your family, right, so.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Right, and and and and and.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Because of that, like people are in fear like and
there is a there's a phrase. When I was in
North Korea, there is a phrase like the parents are
just so paranoid and afraid their child might go out
and do something, so they would strictly like train them.
And you remember the day talk with with the birds
would hear day talk and the rats would hear night talk.

(45:06):
So you have to watch out what you say, how
you act like when you go out. So it's a
complete fear right and even like I've met some of
the defectors because I escaped North Korea in twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
And like because that's when before Kim.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Jong il died, right before the father of Kim Jong en,
So I'm like, I guess like I'm pre Kim Jong
in this era, but after, Like I've met some of
the defectors who escaped like twenty fifteen, and they told
me that like when the Kim Jong ill died, nobody cried.
They wanted to film the street people just you know,

(45:43):
like crying out loud and mourning about the you know,
about year leader's death.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
But nobody cried and nobody really cared. So the government of.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
The regime, like the local regime, had to come out
and say, if you don't show remorse for your your
dear leader, you're gonna get in trouble. So people are
fake crying, right, So so it goes to show that
like people are tired now, but they're just afraid of
the punishment of what will happen to you, but not yet,

(46:15):
not just you, but your family as well.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
So do they see Okay, So I guess the question
for the for the middle class, the lower class, do
they see Kim Jong un as someone who over indulges
is in how dare him? You don't put any restrictions
on anybody, considering the fact that he's living life as
a king. And also do they see the Kim Jong
dynasty as gods?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
The second question, No, they don't see them as gods.
They see them as like the savior. But I wouldn't
say like because again, right, it's like there's no freedom
of religion in North Koreas, so God, like the word
God does not exist, right, so I can't really compare, Like,
I guess like they believe in the regime, which is

(46:58):
like the self ideology.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
It's called right way we stop stop stop stop. That
that's pro that's a profound statement that you just said.
So you're saying that in North Korea, the they really
the ideology of God just simply does not exist. That
your faith is entirely placed in the hands of the
Kim regime. So God doesn't even so no one ever

(47:19):
questions where do we come from? You know, the universe,
the planets. I mean no, we do not.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
We we did not question that at all.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yes, I can't that that, I that that in of
itself is so so different that that you look at
the planets, you look at the moon, you look at
the soul of the stars in the sky. And it
never got The word God never enters your mind because
it's never even introduced. Is that correct, It's not.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
It's it's never And and also Bishop Kim's they have
to think about this. People are starting, right, they're worried
about what they're going to put on their tables, right,
and when like it's there's like a needs of triangle.
It's like what I forgot the word? What's the triangle?
Like the army argument?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Some triangle of needs? It's like the food and everything,
you know, it goes up.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
And North Korean people are just so like food deprived,
and they're so hungry that they don't really want to like,
you know, want to be curious about that either and
North Korean regime actually and and here's the thing too,
Like I've heard when after coming to America, like going

(48:38):
to church, and I've I've been hearing that there are
underground churches in North Korea and there are footages that
actually coming out of North Korea. Right, It's like people like,
you know, praying and and having Bible, but people like
North Korean regime punishes you, not just you, but your
entire three generations of your family.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Right. So so it's it's it's just.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, it's just it's just like a out of realm
thing for you. I'm sorry I forgot the original question.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
No, no, no, that I think you touch on the fact
that the fact that that God doesn't even enter the equation.
It's just when you think about that perspective, it's it's
just so mind blowing because from cradle, you know, when
I was born, God was always introduced to my family
and I can and I think that's what people need
to understand that when the people that God is not

(49:31):
even in the mindset that it is North it is
it is the dynasty. Now, this is Kim Jong un.
I know he has a daughter and he seems to
be pushing his daughter as far as a little bit
more out of the public awareness. Does he have a son.
There's a lot of debate as to whether or not
he does or does not.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Hmm, I I'm not sure. Yeah, I only know like
she has a daughter and she has a sister. But
I could be wrong, like he he may have many children.
But the reason why okay, so the reason why he
you know, he appears to be obese and he's coming
out as this kind of warm, like a you know,

(50:11):
family guy, you know, is because so I'm not sure
if you know Kimil's song, but Kimil's song once held
his like kids trying to copy kimil song right right,
Kimo song was like morbially obese, you know, and he
he had this kind of like warm presence of like
the grandfather, you know, hanging out with like you know,

(50:32):
like like kids a lot, you know, and those kinds
of images. So they're trying to recreate that image and
and going back in kind of like I guess, like Totland,
like going back like good times. And I also heard
like many things about Kim Jong Kim Jong len actually
getting plastic surgery to actually look like his grandfather.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, yeah, And you can see that, and you can
see the way he walks and the way he presented
the straw hat and so many of his mannerisms. You
clearly see that there is without question, uh, there's copying
his his grandfather's. Yeah, resemblance, remble, no question about that.
When you think back of all the people that are

(51:16):
in still in North Korea, and I'm talking about the
middle class and the people who are the poor the impoverished,
would you say that the majority of the country is
impoverished or how would you split it, like a twenty
percent the elitist in Pyongyang versus middle class And so
let's how would you break that apart and then describe

(51:40):
what a middle class family looks like to you in
North Korea. So if we could just get an idea
of how many are the elites, middle and lower class
and what is the middle class, what does it look like?

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yes, yes, so.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I would say top one percent of the elites are
living in Kyungya, right, those are the descendants of the
people who fought with Kimio Song during the Japanese colonial
right and in Korean, in North Korean, we call those

(52:16):
people that to hurt tone right, So they're from like
a mount Baktu's bloodline. Right, So those are the top
one percent, and those are chosen people who gets to
live in Kunyang and middle class lower class, they're not
allowed in Kunyang. You have to have a specific invitation

(52:39):
to go to Kunyang.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Without invitation, you can't enter. Right.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
If your car has a dirt on it, you're not
allowed in Punyang either. You have to get a car
wash beforehand, make it look shiny, and then you can
enter Pumyang.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Right. And the other ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Percent, I will say those are divided into I would
say like thirty and like a sixty percent, thirty thirty
percent and sixty sorry, thirty and sixty nine percent. So
thirty percent of the elites live in like the capital
cities of each province. Right, So sadi Onan is another

(53:21):
capital city, Like it's really big capital city, and and
they put a lot of like there are a lot
of like a like little high middle class people who
lives there, and they are the descendants and family members
of this like elites. Right, And I would say like Tadiyuan,
Tong jing Hamung, Winzhan, and Cassong.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Let's say like capital cities.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
They are actually doing somewhat okay because they can actually
do like business right in with the black market. It's
called tamadang in North Korea. So you you run like
a small businesses in North Korea with the power that
you have through those like the because you gotta you gotta,

(54:09):
you gotta remember that North Korean government is corrupt, right,
so brive or like bribe, the drive exists and everything
will get resolved with bribe and even like not well
killing a person, you get, you get actually that actually
resolves like if you bribe, like you will, you will
go out of like like you will walk out of

(54:32):
the prison.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Free if you bribe. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
And then the rest of the sixty percent are the
people who are very poverished, like they're struggling to make
like other sixty nine percent, I'm sorry. They are the
people who you know live in the those like a
like a smaller cities, like the rural areas and you know,
like a like a the pro like you're undeveloped, right,
there's like a roads are unpaved and and yeah, so

(54:59):
I would say that's just like my personal opinion, Yeah
that's yeah, And I.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Have not like a peoplely researched.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
But I feel like if you were to you know,
like research people, I feel like like the scholars right,
people who have been studying this for for for years
on end, they might say something different. But that's just
what I personally believe.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
And you certainly could not if you're a tourist, you
couldn't go to uh these poor areas and to speak
to them. The authorities wouldn't let you do that. You
would have to stay in the capital to speak to
the elites because they've been, yes, they have been, you know,
practice and this is what you're supposed to say, and
then et cetera. So there would be literally no chance
whatsoever of you going to the impoverish area. What do

(55:43):
you I think when you think of North Korea, and
you certainly think of the leadership, do you think that
North Korea will ever have a woman as a leader?
And meaning because Kim Jong lunn is really showing off
and showcasing his uh, his daughter, and a lot of
people are questioning whether or not it's even possible that

(56:04):
a female could in fact lead the regime. Do you
think that's possible?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I mean that I believe so, I mean that's an absolute,
absolute possibility because kimio Zone, right, Kim Jong UN's sister,
like she's even more notoriously known for for being cruel,
right than than Kim Jong Lynn. Yeah, so so they
are like she started introducing like his sister, his daughter.
So there is a high chance that when Kim Jong

(56:32):
n dies, his sister will come up and say, now
I am the I am the the shining star of
North Korea.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
So that is a possibility. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
And also speaking of the tourism in North Korea, right,
like I like I've got that question a lot too,
Like like you see in the tourists like videos and documentaries,
you know, passing by like you will you see this
like poverished like you know towns and and just driving
by you know, people like in North Korea. Like I

(57:03):
when I was in North Korea, we still use like
you know, the uh, the the gas combustion cars, like
you know, the steam cars, and and we use like
you know, cows for farming and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
But but not not to.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Go off topic, but like like I kind of tell
people that like if you really want to go visit
North Korea, you can, but not for the reason to
experience North Korean culture. Right, you are going to North
Korea and you are you're shown what the what the
region wants you to see. You're only getting to meet

(57:36):
people who they actually want you to meet, right, So
you're not getting all these kind of authentic experience of
North Korea. That's one reason that I don't recommend the
Another reason is that like you are supporting, uh, the
North Korean regime who have been oppressing like their people, right,

(57:58):
and you're paying money to that regime, which in which
means like you are paying North Korean regime to continue
to oppress its people.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Right. That's another reason.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
And lastly, you going out, you going into North Korea
and short like it's a it makes a great content,
right you film these and coming out and saying, hey,
look what I've got. It's like vintage like looking like
a postcards from North Korea or like stemps from North Korea.

(58:30):
It's because it is like North Korea is like technologically wise,
it's seventy years behind. And by doing that, like you know,
like getting out of postcards of like North Korean regime,
like North Korean like army is trying to like destroy America.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
It's like like it's.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
You're basically humanizing North Korean.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Like, oh, yeah, it's okay to do that. It's okay
to you know, it's okay to.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Oppressed, it's okay to support the regime who is oppressing
their people.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Totally understanding, totally, and I agree with you. Have just
a few more minutes for a few more questions. Yes, yes, okay,
let's let's briefly talk about Auto warm beer, so we
know for those yeah, for those of you who don't know,
Auto is an American student. He passed away after being
released from North Korean custody where he had been imprisoned,

(59:27):
and he was found in a coma and passed away
after returning home. A report from the BBC indicated that
Auto was in a coma for over a year was
released by North Korean, a condition that led to his passing.
The circumstances surrounding his death and imprisonment have drawn significant
international criticism, obviously in condemnation of the North Korean regime.
What do you think, in fact happened to Auto? They

(59:49):
of course say that it was medication and something of
this nature, But what do you what do you honestly believe?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
I believe that because I've been in North Korean prison,
and I can say from my personal experience he had
been cultured and he so he the reason why he
was in coma was because he was brain dead, right,
And there are two reasons why he could be brain dead.
One is drowning, right, the other is electric shock, which

(01:00:20):
both are possibilities. And now give it in mind that
he simply wanted to He took down a poster right
that apparently had like you know which, which shows like
you know how, you know how cruel an old Korean
regime is, right, So so yes, I it's such a

(01:00:42):
tragic case, and I'm yeah, I'm well. But after that incident,
America actually banned American citizen going, oh, they did that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
And actually very quickly they I saw a documentary where
they interviewed a young lady that was in his group
and she says that they were having I think a
New Year's celebration and that he was with her when
they have this video and one fifteen or so when
this this shady picture of this alleged auto stealing a picture,

(01:01:14):
and she says, no, he was with us. He wasn't
even in the hotel at that time. So the video
that they have of this person stealing this thing. It
is so great, right and she said she absolutely swore
that he was with the group when they were out
having a celebration, and uh so you're convinced obviously this

(01:01:37):
was something that unfortunately, this was a torture.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
That's absolutely infuriating. Yeah, yeah, I did not watch the documentary. Yeah,
I've seen like, you know, Auto warm Beer speaking, you
know in like if you if you look up Auto
warm Beer on YouTube, like you will see like him
pleading for his life.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Yeah. For the if you don't know, again, go to
Charles North Korea on all the social media outfits on TikTok,
on YouTube and Facebook, Charles North Korea and you can
chat with him there. And of course he's again as
he's been very very kind and with his time speaking
to us so far, and we appreciate that. I just you,

(01:02:18):
now that you've been in the States, there's two questions.
The first question is this, are you fearful of your
life being here? And now that you're in the United
States and you don't see that United States is this big, horrible, mean,
nasty country that wants to you know, the wear wolves
North Korea always seems to be threatening their neighbors and

(01:02:39):
even threatening the United States. From your perspective as a
person who lived in North Korea, I guess the first
question is are you fearful of being in the States
here of your safety? And true? Do you think that
North Korea could have a chance going up against the
United States military now that you've been both in both countries.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yes, the first question, I am not fearful because I
am an American citizen. About my accepted me back in
twenty twelve, and Trump gave me a citizenship, so I'm grateful.
I'm an American citizen passport, So I'm not fearful and
doing something like that, that's an act of war. And

(01:03:21):
second question, I do not believe North Korea, well, they're
not North Korea. Kim Jong un is there to do that,
there to you know, harm you know, us or even
threaten us, because well, as I mentioned, technologically, personally, I
felt like getting into time machine and traveling seventy years

(01:03:44):
into the future, right, because how behind North Korea is technologically?
Right in America, they don't stand a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
No, they do not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
And here's the thing too, Like you know, I believe
that you know God had put hand on the guard
at the the Yaller River so that he does not
pull the He did not pull the trigger. But what
also I think is another theory that I'm thinking is
that the max were empty. They don't have resources, like

(01:04:19):
North Korea does not have resources to do like to
to build more weapons and build bullets, like make bullets.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
So I don't even even there's something going on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
North Korea doesn't stand a chance, like Kim Jongan doesn't
stand the chance. And in when I was in North Korea,
the running joke within North Korea was that even if
the war brokes like breaks out, ninety percent of their
armies would turn back their guns to their superiors because

(01:04:54):
they were underfed, mistreated, abused, right, And I remember the
men like right after the graduating school at the age
of seventeen, all men except like you know, if they
have like a terminal illness or if they're disabled besides
them old men has to serve in the military for

(01:05:16):
twelve years. Wow, in that twelve years, like they don't
they're starved, they're not treated well, and so like yeah,
it's it's it's chaotic, right, So there was a running
joke in North Korea that even if the war breaks out,
ninety percent of the North Korean soldiers will return his

(01:05:37):
fire to their their own superiors.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
That is absolutely you know, honestly, Charles, I tell you
what I'm Have you written a book.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
I have not written a book yet, but I'm trying
to work on it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Your story is so I mean, this in of itself
is my gosh, I could see a movie. It's it's
very rare. Here's the deal. As an American, both as Americans, uh,
we wish no, we wish no harm on North Korea.
We wish we don't. Americans do not want war with
North Korea. And and I just find it so appalling

(01:06:17):
as clergy to hear your story of how human beings,
I don't care what nationality they are, they are human beings,
and how they have been treated so terribly and harshly,
and that makes me so it infuriates me. I wish
that the I wish that the Kim junk I wish
that the Kim dynasty would go away and the people

(01:06:39):
could actually get the help they deserve.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Yes, yes, James, this is what I usually tell So
I'm not sure if you knew, but North Korea so Punyang,
the North Korean capital. The Punyang was once known as
the Jerusalem of the East, like before, like I think
they're doing like a long time ago, like maybe like

(01:07:03):
during the Japanese colonial times, or maybe like right afterwards.
Because there were so many Christians and Catholics in North Korea,
and Kimil's song was raised Catholic. Yes, he has raised Catholic.
So one thing that I ask people, especially Christians, I
asked them to pray for an North Korea and pray

(01:07:27):
that North Korea will become once again, the Punyang will
become once again the Jerusalem of the East, and that
God has power to you know, change anybody's heart and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
It will be a glorious day tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Right he turned the news and Kim Doman accepts, you know,
Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and you know,
let his people go and that, Yeah, if you can
pray for an old kore and if you can pray
for that, that will be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
And that's the one thing that you can do to
help North Korean people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
And we will all pray that you are will have
the time and the resources to be able to write
your book, because I think your really, your story sheds
a light on North Korea and what the North Koreans
are enduring that we will never will never see on
a documentary. We'll never see it. But you were there

(01:08:30):
and you experienced it, and no, I don't care how
much how many millions of dollars they spend on a
documentary on North Korea. Your story far exceeds any documentary
that they can put together because you were there, you
experience it, you know what it's like. You experienced twice,
you escape twice. And I think the world, not just

(01:08:51):
the country the United States, I think the world absolutely, Charles.
We need to hear your story.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I appreciate you so very very much for spending time
with us and sharing it, and I wish you many wonderful,
happy years of success us here in the States. And
I will be the very first one to I promise
you buy your book as soon as it comes out.
We'll bring it right back on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
It was my absolute honor to be on your show
and share my story.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
And thank you so much listeners for hearing my story.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
And please do reach out to me if you have
any questions, or reach out to Bishop James, and we
will connect and yeah, answer any of your questions that
you might have.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Wonderful Charles, Well, we're going to disconnect and then I'll
send you a little message a little bit later on
after the show and we'll definitely stay in talk contact.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Sounds great. Thank you so much being up, James.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Hey, Charles, Bye, bye. Well everybody, that was our friend Charles.
I tell you what, man, what truly I can't imagine.
I mean, good grief. It's almost it's like you just
have to kind of you know, it blows the mind.

(01:10:08):
I you know, truly, that was a remarkable, remarkable conversation.
And it's Charles reu So again, Charles, North Korea, there
to think it, says Jennifer. Make sure if you're on TikTok,
make sure you follow Charles. He's also on Facebook. He's

(01:10:31):
also on YouTube. He makes a lot of videos where
people ask questions and he gives them answers. He's very upfront.
He doesn't you know, he doesn't sugarcoat it. He tells
you exactly what experienced one hundred and fifty. I think
about this when he was in prison in North Korea
Detention Center for defectors and he was again a young teenager.

(01:10:55):
He was given one hundred and fifty kernels of corn
feet that's it. And he worked twelve hours a day,
one hundred and fifty kernels of corn. And then and
then he was forced young again as a as a kid,

(01:11:17):
a sixteen year old kid, seventeen year old, he was
sent to work in a coal mine. I just I
tell you what, truly, that was just unbelievable. It makes
so all. Let me just say this, if you go
and you watch on social media, because there's a lot
of people do this. They make these videos of Kim

(01:11:38):
Jong un and he's so powerful and yes and oh yeah,
you know what you do that shame on you. This
is not a man who needs to be honored and
respected and revered. Kim Jong un is a dictator. He
is he's a horrible human being, horrible, he's he's he's

(01:11:59):
right on the same lines with a in particular leader
in World War Two. And we all know and I
just think that Kim jungun is just a monster. He
is a monster. And what they do to their their
their people is just disgusting. And you know, it really

(01:12:20):
did when he said that, really the concept of God
never enters North Korean's mind because it just doesn't. It
doesn't exist. I mean, God is not introduced to them
at all. It is and that's what That's what char
When Charles said that, I thought, wow, that just and now,
I mean I always assume that maybe a few people

(01:12:41):
with you know, maybe God exists, but no, doesn't. God
doesn't even exist in North Korea. It is the Kim regime.
You're right, You're absolutely right. It does. It makes you
realize how blessed we truly are. So, you know, we
all go back and forth and people scream whoton holl
politics and all that stuff. You know what, you're You're lucky.

(01:13:03):
First of all, we're very lucky that we live in
a country where we can say I don't like the
president or I really love the president. See, we're lucky
we can say that, we can even say it in
public and not even worry about anything. But in North
Korea you don't have that luxury. In North Korea, you're unlive.
You are unlived. Not putting in prison, you're unlived. There

(01:13:29):
is no such thing as going out in the public,
you know, corner and saying, you know, Kim down with
Kim Jong un No, you would be unlived. There won't
be any arrest. You're unlived. That's just truly, truly amazing.
So again it's Charles Reu, Charles Reu, and you can

(01:13:53):
go on Charles North Korea. All one word, Charles North Korea,
and he really on a say on YouTube and Facebook
and TikTok. Make sure you follow him, everybody send him
a follow. And as matter of fact, I'm going to
put it in the chat here for Facebook and everybody,
Charles North Korea and there you go. That is his information. Okay,

(01:14:20):
first of all, in the Mahdi, okay, look, if you're
going to come in and spam that nonsense when you're
all you're doing yours, get you blocked. I've addressed this already.
Let me just make this very clear about this, Mahali.
If you are a prophet, you do not tell people

(01:14:42):
to make allegiance to you. That's number one. And he
has I've seen it. I've watched the videos. He tells
them to make allegiance to him. Well, if you're a prophet,
that's not your job. Your job is not to say,
put the spotlight on me. Your job is to point

(01:15:03):
to Christ. That is your job as a prophet, your
job is not to say, now you pledge allegiance to me,
because no, that's a dictatorship. So there's no other way
around it. John the Baptist, one of the great prophets,
did not say, oh, it's all about me, me, me, me, pay,
you know, pay alligit llegiance to me. No, No he didn't.

(01:15:27):
So I think, yeah, this whole Mahaudi thing, it's it's
it's getting stupid. Now, it's just enough enough. He's not
a prophet, he's not a descendant from Jesus, he's not
a a cendate from Moses. Uh. And there's a there's
a history there to do a little bit of research,

(01:15:47):
and it's very disturbing on some of the things that
that he has written. So you're not going to come
in here and spread that nonsense anyway. Uh So, Uh,
it's Mahadi Mahadi. Yeah, they're They're all over social media,

(01:16:08):
and I'm like, whatever, You're very welcome, You're very welcome.
So yeah, make sure everybody you follow Charles North Korea.
Charles North Korea. Okay, and we start again. We really
I really appreciate him taking the time and doing that presentation.
So it's very nice, very nice. Okay, you're right, Yeah,
the false prophets are definitely. Yeah, even though the Muslims

(01:16:30):
have denied, everyone is denying this guy. This guy's just
it's nonsense. It's nonsense. Don't follow him. If you follow him,
you're gonna be mi led. He's just another human. He's
just another I interviewed. Do you remember the guy I interviewed.
He was the boyfriend, the partner of Amy who went

(01:16:51):
around calling herself a mother God and father God and
she was the reincarnation of every other human being, famous person. Well,
remember I had him on and we spoke to him
on the show. It's just the same thing. It is
the same body, the same narcissistic tendency of thinking that
you're greater than you are. So just it's ridiculous. But nonetheless, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:17:17):
I won't be following him at all. And if you do, well,
then you'll be misled. So that's just that's just the
way it is. Okay, So if you guys have any questions,
I'll be more than happy to chat with you guys,
and we kind of go from there and answer some
of your If you have any questions about demonology or

(01:17:37):
because we haven't done that in a while, and I
don't mind doing that because but I do have a
lot of articles that we have not gone to a
lot of articles. Well, thank you very much, s Medica.
I appreciate that and go from there. Okay, yeah, so
thank you, Charles. So the new Pope, well, I think
he's the new Pope. I don't really think anything good

(01:17:59):
or bad. He's just the new Pope. I mean, he
spent most of the most of his time in Peru,
So I what do I think about him. I think
he's the new Pope. I don't really you know, I'm
not really there. I don't really have a good or
bad kind of opinion. What I do find interesting, though,

(01:18:20):
is I find interesting that all the all the conspiracy
theorists out there, they're very quiet right now. I'm not
trying to figure out well, thank you, They're trying to
figure out what they're going to do now, because, after all,
Francis is supposed to be the last pope according to
all these conspiracy theorists. Well, I think, uh, I think
Pope Leo would have some problem with that. So anyway,

(01:18:44):
that's what's that's what they're doing. Now, so they're they're
trying to come up with another conspiracy theory and all
this other stuff. That's what they're doing now. So I'm
just giving you heads up. They're doing that, and it's
it's it's always it's always going to be something, no
matter what, it's always going to be something. So anyway, uh,

(01:19:04):
Kim jong Un, do I find him to be demonic?
I do find him to be demonically oppressed, no question,
or influenced. Any Any human being that can do what
he has done and continues to do to his people
is evil. It's just pure evil, that is, and that's sadistic.

(01:19:24):
That's sadism. And I believe, without with all my question,
he is sadistic. I do believe he is pure evil.
And I certainly don't think that he's a respectful human
being at all. I mean really honestly. I mean what
you have is, you know, pretty disturbing person. So yeah,

(01:19:48):
learn and Jordan, Yeah, well, Jordan, no question. Mm hmm.
Someone's asking about Lilith. I've talked about Lilith before actually
quite a bit. And Lilith is an is Jewish folklore
who is a first attested in the Dead Sea scroll

(01:20:10):
called the songs on the Sage of the Sage, so
it's the later Babylonian Talmud. It was about eighty three
hundred to five hundred. She's described as a demon, and
then in later medieval alphabet and then Sarah first describes
her as Adam's wife. But Lilith is not found in

(01:20:31):
sacred scripture or even church tradition, so stories about her
being Adam's wife, it is myth. So just kind of
keep that in mind, friends, it is myth. It is
not true. She is not Adam's wife. She was never
Adam's wife. So there we are. Well, Brian, it's better

(01:20:55):
than you just type him here. Yeah, a lot of
people ask about her. Yeah, we have a new pope. Okay, Lucifer. Yeah,
we're talking about Lucifer.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Okay, Lucifer, Satan and the devil. They are one and
the same. So let me absolutely, Boston, a non denominational
is not evil at all. As a matter of fact,
let me make this very clear. If you are Roman Catholic,
and if you're going around telling people they need to

(01:21:37):
convert to Roman Catholicism, then Pope Francis says, when you
do that, you're committing a grave sin against a Cumanism.
So Pope Francis made it very clear not to do this,
and Pope Leo is in the same camp of Pope Francis.
So if in fact, you're a Roman Catholic and you're
telling people they need to convert to Roman Catholicism, you're

(01:21:58):
not a practicing Catholic. You're just simply not because you're
not following the Pontive teaching. So Pope Leo recently stated,
well not when he was cardinal, that he agrees with
Francis when Francis said, do not do this, and he
called it a grave sin against the Cumenism. So if
you're Roman Catholic and you're doing that, you're not a
practicing Roman Catholic. You kind of telling yourself. So the

(01:22:20):
question was, is Lucifer, Satan and the Devil one and
the same. Yes, it is, So let me explain why.
Think of it as identification. So Lucifer refers to his
angel self. Lucifer actually means light or light bringer light bearer.
Devil refers to his evil being his existence, and Satan

(01:22:42):
refers to the concept that he is evil. You know,
the title of Prince of darkness as opposition of Christ.
So the Bible is very clear that the devil and
Satan are one. In Revelation, chapter twelve, verse nine says,
so the great dragon was cast out the serpent of
old called it the devil and Satan, who deceives the
whole world. He was cast through the earth, and his

(01:23:05):
angels were cast with him. So now regarding Lucifer, Isaiah
chapter fourteen, verse twelve says, how you are falling from heaven,
a Lucifer, son of the morning. How you are cut
down to the ground, you who weakened the nations. So
this Lucifer fell from heaven. Jesus even said, so he's

(01:23:26):
referring to Isaiah fourteen. Jesus said in Mark chapter ten,
verse eighteen, I saw Satan fall light lightning from heaven.
So there's without question he's referring to Isaiah. So thus
Lucifer is Satan. So Lucifer means light bringer, that was
his original name. And then he was the devil, the slanderer,

(01:23:49):
the accuser, and Satan the adversary, the opposer. And so
again in Revelation is called the devil or Satan. There
we go, I think we could absolutely conclude just a
base from that alone that they are all one and
the same.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
So anyway, okay, yeah, when was the first Yeah, someone's
asking when was the first form that was written in extorcism?

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Actually, the Right of Exorcism, the first form we see
it was written in sixteen fourteen, and then the Office
of Exorcis acisies. It continued as a minor order on
the road to priesthood until nineteen seventy two. The order
was actually suppressed by Pope John the sixth and then

(01:24:44):
the Code of canon Law in the Roman Church specifies
that each bishop to designate an exorcist until the revision
occurred in nineteen eighty three, and then the right was
actually revised in nineteen ninety nine. So there we go. Oh,
thank you very much. Okay, well, thank you there, I

(01:25:10):
appreciate that you yeah, okay, yeah. Jezebel Lilith, Yeah, Lilith
is is myth. It's mythical. So there are there are
two types of exorcisms that are actually performed on an individual.

(01:25:31):
The two main types. The first type would be called
supplicating exorcism, that is, a prayer directed to God who
who's asked to bring relief. To the life of the
one who is experiencing evil. This is known as a deliverance. Now,
you can pray over a person who has a demonic

(01:25:53):
attachment and there you pray for a removal of that attachment,
but you gotta be careful because that person could go
into possession. That's different than what's called a supplicating exorcism
or I'm sorry, an imperative exorcism. An imperative exorcism that
is a command given in the name of Christ, thank you,

(01:26:16):
directed to the demon to depart. So the Roman Catholic
belief in the canon Law states that any believer can
perform what's called a supplicating exorcism, a prayer of deliverance,
as a prayer directed towards the God to remove that
demonic attachment. But an imperative exorcism that is a sacred rite.

(01:26:39):
It is reserved for a priest who has been authorized
by his bishop to perform the ministry. And that is
that's really important to understand. So there we go. Frank,
can't be a normal human beings, just show actual respect.
That's the same. Imagine imagine a troll again. If you're

(01:27:01):
going around telling people that you need to convert to
Roman catholic you are actually not a Roman Catholic practicing
Roman Catholic yourself. I'm going to say it again. Ope
Francis made it clear that if you're a Roman Catholic
and you're going around telling people they need to convert
to Roman Catholicism, he called it a grave sin against
the Cumanism. Pope Leo said the same manner. So there

(01:27:26):
we go. I don't know. I don't I don't know
the new Pope, so I don't know. You know, the Jesuits.
I studied with the Jesuits. I studied at Loyola University
in Chicago. The Jesuits. The Jesuits are thinkers, they're philosophers,

(01:27:54):
and so philosophy was quite heavy at Loyola. I did
get to me, Sister Gene, Yeah I did. And at
first I hated philosophy. I hated it. I hated it.
I couldn't stand it because they would write five hundred
pages of just saying one line, just get to the point,

(01:28:14):
just get to the point, just to stop with all
this five hundred pages, just say what you're trying to say.
But it finally clicked when I was reading I forgot
what book. I think it was Aristotle, and I finally
clicked that philosophy is not about telling you what to think.
Philosophy is teaching you how to think. And when I

(01:28:38):
got that is like, I fell deeply in love with philosophy. Actually, yeah,
I have one hundred and ten page paper of one
hundred and ten pages showing my apostolic succession. So nice, try,
you must say, you might want to actually try to
be a little bit more Christian. So yeah, I have
one hundred and ten page documentation. I'm actually a member
of Order of Corporate Reunion as well. It's a very

(01:28:58):
beautiful and reputable organization that validates people's apostolic succession. Not
that you actually understand Apostolic secession, but anyway, okay, it's
always somebody, always somebody again, you know, Yes, yep, they do.
In the Roman Catholic Church, they do acknowledge our orders. Actually,

(01:29:21):
Saint Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict wrote an article
called Dominue Jesus that clearly states that any church that
has Apostolic succession is considered validly Catholic. If you actually
go to USOCC dot org and click on the validity link,
you'll find lots of information where in fact, the Roman
Catholic Church one hundred percent acknowledges valid orders from the

(01:29:41):
Old Catholic Church. So there we go. But that requires
too much thinking for the trills. Rather, they would rather
troll rather than to learn. Well, you have to be
how can you prove? Again, That's why I'm a member
of the Order of Corporate reun It is again, it's
an organization that either validates or invalidates your Aposolic secession.

(01:30:06):
So I'm not trying to convince anything. I'm trying to
answer a question. I really don't care if you believe
it or not. I'm not here to convince you of anything. Boy,
I'll tell you what. You answer a question, then you
get accused of trying to convince people of things. Really, guys,

(01:30:26):
I've already answered the question like twenty times on the Pope.
So anyway, okay, so bear with me for one moment, Tros.
I'm not going to pay attention to you. I'm just
going to let you know we're adults here. We don't
do Jerry Springer episodes here. We are actually adults. So

(01:30:47):
I don't speak to people who are fifty years old
who acts like a pestilent child in fact, who wants
to be rude and discouritious. So I'm just not going
to pay attention to you at all. You don't affect me, certainly,
cannot have intellectual conversation with me because I can't reduce
my brain cells to the level of your understanding, and
I'm not going to waste my time with your hatred

(01:31:09):
so thinking. So what we do here is we actually
have a conversation with people who are kind and courteous,
who act like respectful adults rather than three year old
children who don't get their way. Okay, so fine, always
have to address that with TikTok. Imagine, I don't think

(01:31:35):
I'm going to answer any more questions for you because
you're being very disrespectful. So that's it. I don't think
I'll answer any more questions. You, sir, are in time out. Okay,
listen to this, everybody. This is a very I'm asking
God what sixteen times? I don't why I say what

(01:31:57):
sixteen times? Please understand that I also run the show
on two different computers, and I've got over three hundred
people in here asking questions. I'm only one person. I
can only answer one question at a time, So let's
kind of relax with this. I asked a question and
you didn't answer it. Well, I can only ask one
question at a time, so, uh no, what we answer
to God? Okay, listen to this. This is a very

(01:32:20):
interesting question. This is a or an article that I found.
Uh yeah, anybody else want to time out? You're just
gonna get blocked by the moderators because they don't put
up with rude behavior either, So if you're rude, you're
just going to be blocked anyway. This is by TK Randall. Yeah,
be blessed, be blocked. Oh oh oh, I've got to
do this. I've got to do this, mister producer, you're
going to love this. Rolls. Uh, the trolling on TikTok.

(01:32:46):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:58):
You never answered my question. I don't think you're a
real priest, even though you said to go to your
website a million times and it's all there. I've been
practicing with this I have. Hey, so there you go, tos.

(01:33:22):
That's the troll anthem. Yeah, you're not supposed to do that.
You're not acting like a very good priest. No, because
I don't like trolls and trolls don't intimidate me, okay.
Tk Randall writes this, Listen to this, everybody, This is
very interesting. Oh boy, that the chat's going really crazy out.

(01:33:44):
It makes them mad when I play the violin for him.
It's a troll anthem, it is. Tk Randa writes this.
An ex NASA official claims to have seen a flying.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Saucer with us AF logo on it. Trolls that means
the United States Air Force. I have to be nice. Yeah,
the rest of you, brilliant thinkers. You didn't need me
to let but anyway, anyway, A retired flight surgeon maintains
that he saw a secretive saucer shaped vehicle belonging to

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the US Air Force. Well, okay, Francesco, I understand a
lot of people. The moment you are conceived is the
moment you become terminal. No one. No one is guaranteed
to live one day. No one is guaranteed to live

(01:34:39):
one hundred years. Every day that we have is a
gift from God. Every day. We cannot be angry with
a God that grants us eternal life when life is
truly incredibly fragile. I've lost family members very early at age,

(01:35:02):
and I get it. I understand, it still hurts, totally understand.
But every day that we live is a gift. Every
hour that we live is a gift, and we must
continue to praise God when things are great. That's easy.

(01:35:24):
That our faith must come in when things are bad,
when we're going through the difficult times, that's where true
faith comes in. It's okay to be angry, but you
don't want to stay there. Okay, let me do this first.
Doctor Gregory Rogers, a former NASA Chief Flight surgeon and

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Air Force Major, has spoken about something that he had
witnessed back in nineteen ninety two at Cape Canaveral, Florida.
See At the time, he had been conducting an inspection
when he was approached by an Air Force major who
had invited him to come and see something that he
had claimed would knock his socks off. Rogers was then
taken to a room where he was shown a CCTV
feed of something extraordinary, a saucer shaped vehicle with the

(01:36:12):
US Air Force logo clearly emblazoned on it. Says, I
would estimate it was about twenty feet wide, probably eight
to ten feet tall, and it had shallow dome on
top of it that sounds like to me like a
one of those U tubes or another one. There was
another one. I forgot what it was. I forgot the

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name of it. Anyway. There were no antennas, so there
were no flight control surfaces. Everything was very smooth and blended.
Saw no rivets, no seams, everything was white. But there
was a vertical black rectangle on the three o'clock and
six o'clock and nine o'clock position on the upper half
of the vehicle. Says, without warning, the object began to

(01:36:56):
move and all of a sudden it just lifted up
as smooth as it could be, and once it got
maybe three feet above the concrete service, it rooted completely around.
So I rotated clockwise one revolution, and it revolved counterclockwise
one revolution. Yeah, it might have been a drone, So yeah,

(01:37:18):
it might have been drawn. I'm not for sure. You can,
but I have over I have about fourteen thousand messages
on TikTok, so I'll try, Okay. A bishop is a priest,
but a bishop oversees a diocese or archdiocese. A priest
oversees parishes a parish, so sometimes two or three parishes, depending,

(01:37:42):
So a bishop oversees the whole entire jurisdiction, so they're
in charge of all the parishes, and then they assign
priest you know to obviously pastor those parishes. Okay, all right,
I don't know about this one. What do you think about?

(01:38:02):
This is an amazing story. Did you hear about this one?
This is again by TK Rannold. He writes, an eighty
year old falls from the sixth floor window and walks
away unscathed. That's amazing. So, according to reports, the incidents

(01:38:25):
which occurred in Russia occurred after the woman who had
been cleaning her windows, lost balance and fell. The idea
that anyone, let alone an eighty year old, could survive
such a plunge, seems impossible. Yet not only did the
woman survive, she simply got to her feet and walked
away as if nothing happened. What ultimately saved her life

(01:38:47):
was the fact that she fell on top of a car,
which crumbled when she landed on it. Even so that's
it cushioned her impact with the ground in just the
right way to save her. Can you imagine even a
professional stunt person would have trouble landing so perfectly? Says quote.
Not only was she lucky to fall right, but she

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had been. Had she been any further toward the building,
the back of her head would have likely hit the
frame supporting the truck. I still, she landed square in
the middle of the roof, allowing it to crumble and
not her. But I just I can't imagine as six
stories and even if you fly, even if you fall

(01:39:30):
six stories and you land perfectly on top of a
car roof, I mean the car, it's not a pillow.
And she just got up eighty years old by the way.
You know, I'm thinking to myself, could I do that?

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
I think I'd break every every bone in my body. Yeah,
it's crazy. You know. One of the things I want
to talk about. I don't know about this. How many
of you believe in alien life life? I'm just curious.
How many of you believe that alien life exists? Alien

(01:40:08):
life means UFOs. I'm curious what you what your thoughts
are on this. How many of you do? Wow? A
lot of you do? Okay, Well, we know mister producer. Now,
mister producer is a hybrid. So mister producer is a hybrid.

(01:40:31):
Now that means that he's he has alien blood. And
human blood. Many people don't know that about mister producer,
but I know it. I know about it. But listen
to this. This is by Sarah Tullock. This person says
I was abducted by aliens, and here are the signs

(01:40:54):
that you might have been too. So Philip Kinsella is
a among those who claimed to have been abducted by aliens,
and he's revealed the signs that could indicate that you
have been too, even if you have no memory of it. Well.
Tales of alien abductions are fairly common, especially in the West.
As early in the nineteen sixties, there have been reports
of people being taken by extraterrestrials or misroproducer, usually during

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the night, often strange experiments, only to be returned home unharmed.
Now among the most famous alleged abduction cases are those
of New York housewife Linda Napolitano and British twin Philip Kinsella,
both of whom claimed to have been taken by aliens
in the same year. So Linda made headlines with their
abduction of the century when she said aliens beamed her

(01:41:41):
up from Manhattan bedroom in November nineteen eighty nine, Her
account was by way supported by twenty three people who
supposedly saw her being lifted over the Brooklyn Bridge. In
twenty thirteen, she told Vanity Fair, if I was hallucinating,
then the eyewitnesses saw my hallucination. In twenty twenty two,

(01:42:01):
her startling story was adapted into the popular Netflix show
The Manhattan Alien Abduction. Well, I'm gonna have to I'm
going to check that out now. Well anyway, While extraterrestrial
life has yet been scientifically proven, Linda isn't the only
alleged abductee to come forward with chilling details of encounters
with beings from out our space. A British Man, Philip,

(01:42:23):
claimed that he was abducted by reptilian aliens in nineteen
eighty nine after being suddenly awakened at his Belfordshire home
in the middle of the night. Clairvoyant Philip describing being
levitated and moved through his house before being strapped naked
to a board while he claims a probe was inserted
into his body. Philip spoke about the terrifying night, shared

(01:42:46):
six eerie signs that could indicate that you have had
an alien encounter without even realizing it. So when calling
his first sighting of the alien figure. Philip told the
son that image was the most raw and unforgettable. I
will never forget their faces. They look like dinosaurs, but
they are reptilian, about seven to eight feet tall. Philip
and his twin brother Ronald have had four unnerving UFO encounters,

(01:43:10):
including capturing footage of three white hovering objects in twenty sixteen. Now,
though Philip vividly remembers his alien abduction, he explained that
most people's memories are supposedly white by extraterrestial beings. One
of the key indicators of a deduction Philip mentioned was
the presence of implants. He claims that aliens often leave
small implants in humans, about the size of a grain

(01:43:31):
of rice. Although he doesn't know the purpose of the implant,
he described it as being covered in organ organic tissue
so that the body doesn't reject it. Says, sometimes a're
very tiny and they have a strange hard structure, not metallic,
but unusual, and Philip revealed that his implant, which had
been in his body for two years, was located behind

(01:43:52):
his ear. He offered tips on how to spot those
potential implants, such as noticing itchy spot or specific problem area.
He also claimed they could show up on X rays.
Oh that's interesting. Oh, that would be awesome, mister producer. Now,
mister producer is going to ask Kinseillas if they would

(01:44:13):
like to come up. That would be great on the
presentation on the show. That would be amazing. Yeah, I mean,
I'm gonna have to watch that. That's really fascinating. So yeah,
Lynna and Napolitano and a British twin, Philip Kinsella. So

(01:44:35):
mister producer is saying that he's going to try to
contact Philip and maybe come on board and talk about
his story. Well, that would be crazy. So his twin
brother Ronald. They said that they had this experience and
American actress fran Dresher has also publicly spoken about her
alledged subduction. In twenty twelve, she claimed that both she

(01:44:57):
and her producer husband Peter Mark Jacobson had been implanted
with chips, noting that they both had identical scars in
the same spot in their hands, and she shared this
with Huffington Post, saying that we both have this scar.
It's exact same scar in the exact same spot. Philip
also shared some physical symptoms he experienced after his alleged abduction,

(01:45:18):
including frequent and severe nosebleeds. He said, I suffered profuse
nosebleeds to my right and offer for two years after
the incident. He recalled, got to the point where it
was so embarrassing. I could be sitting on the train
and it would just start pouring, and doctors were considering
cuterizing it, you know, categorizing it. It's interesting because we
spoke to Willie Wynnwalker Gibson, who's a shaman, and he

(01:45:40):
has talked about his alleged abduction as well as well
as his wife, and they have also talked about that
as well. So this would be a very interesting conversation
to have with him. I would absolutely be very very
excited about. By the way, So in October, so I
know we're only in May, but I'm going to be

(01:46:04):
going on assignment from Miss Judy Anne, who serves as
when I do these documentaries. She kind of serves as
the executive producer, taking care of all the ins and
outs of it. The expenses, it's not cheap. So in October,
I'm going to be going to Los Angeles and we

(01:46:24):
are going to be also filming at the Queen Mary.
We will also I will be staying at the Haunted
I think it's Room three fifty four, the most haunted
room in the Queen Mary. And not only that, but
I will be airing the show live in Queen Mary

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on Friday night. So we will be doing that and
that's going to be a pretty pretty amazing thing. I
am working on a documentary now on the Alcatraz Museum
that I went to Pigeon Forge. Now, that was absolutely
a phenomenal experience. Really, the artifacts that they have there

(01:47:09):
was just mind blowing to me. It didn't have a
whole lot to do with Alcatraz so much as it
had more to do with crime and artifacts from crime scenes.
So I'm going to be doing that documentary. It's going
to take a while to put that together because there's
so much, but let me tell you this, I was

(01:47:34):
shocked when they had the black leather jacket of John
Wayne Gacy that he wore when he was arrested, and
they have two two of his clown outfits at this museum,
and so I'm going to put all that together. I'm
going to put this documentary together. I was able to

(01:47:56):
see the Bronco Museum on the Bronco vehicle O. J.
Simpson when they were going down the Expressway. They had
the Bronco. They also had, oh my goodness, Ted Bundy's
Beatle vokes Wagon Beetle that he used for very neffair,
not the one he stole, but the one he actually

(01:48:17):
used and owned. They had that, they had the body
and Clyde vehicle. Really, honestly, this is going to be
an amazing, amazing documentary. The items that they had just
mind blowing. So I am working on that documentary and
I'm hoping, I'm hoping that you will enjoy that tremendously

(01:48:37):
because I want to certainly certainly share that with you guys.
But there we go. For those of you who are
listening to this on podcasts, I'm going to say good
night to you and have a beautiful evening. So let
me close us out. For everybody on the podcast. Remember, friends,

(01:48:58):
we are going to be live on tonight, so we
go live at nine to fifty pm Eastern Standard time
for our fun filled, exciting night prayer, so please join
us for that. I'm just gonna put this up and
as a matter of fact, I'm going to publish right
now let's see. Let me do this one second. That's

(01:49:20):
a vision. I'm what I'm gonna do now is I'm
going to upload this for podcasts so that you guys
can have it. Okay, and I'll do this. I'll type
this in just a second. There we go. All right,
So don't forget everybody. We haven't decided about Saturday. Normally

(01:49:44):
we have open mic night, but if I'm gonna go
live on Saturday, it's just gonna be a chill out night.
Nothing plan, nothing, just we're just gonna chill. That's it.
That's it. And then Sunday, of course we have Bible study.
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