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Speaker 1 (00:25):
From the mysteries of the paranormal to world headline news.
We cover it all. Welcome to the Sacred Division and
now Bishop James Long.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So now we're live on our spreaker format, well technically
not live, that's a podcast presentation and I'm gonna real
live everywhere, all right, now we're live. Hello, Hello, Hello, everybody, welcome.
Let me just fix that computer R. Yeah. I have
Friday to you, guys. Happy Friday to you wherever you
are in this in this beautiful, beautiful world. Hopefully you're
having you're you're having a great Friday where our poor
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moderators are already blocking people. Can you imagine? Can you imagine?
Say it ain't so it's so all right, Well, guys, welcome,
Happy Friday to you. By the way, we're having some
we're having some rock and roll storms coming in here,
and boy, I tell you what it's they are. We
had some pretty nasty storms earlier. Thank god, thank god,
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there are no tornadoes. We had tornadoes not too long ago,
and it broke my heart. There was a lot of
people just affected by them. So hopefully, hopefully we're supposed
to get some storms between seven and eight, and I
am you know asking, you know, praying and that everyone
stays safe no matter where you are, because there's a
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lot of a lot of storms coming in this area.
So but you know, it's interesting because the tornado Alley
is no longer really just in Kansas. It's really, it's
not it's you know, we have it. We're Kentucky's basically
becoming a tornado alley kind of a space. And I
don't know, I don't know, but okay, all right, everybody listen.
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I want to remind you don't forget, folks. We are
having our night prayer as we do. It's compland we
have that Monday through Friday as we Gosh, I've had
that now for twenty three years. I don't know, twenty three,
twenty four years. Man, it's been a long time. So
we have complin. That's at ten pm Eastern Standard time tonight.
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So if you would like for us to pray for
your prayer petition, we certainly will. I'm going to remind
you don't forget now. You need to do this now
because I think there's still time. Yep. So here's what
we have to if you're going to be at night
prayer tonight for those of you who are on TikTok,
I posted a video about night prayer for this evening.
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If you've got to go on my TikTok pro file
and you'll see right there it says place your prayer
petitions in the comments before eight pm Eastern Standard time tonight.
So make sure you guys do that. If you want
us to pray for your prayer petitions during complin, please
put your prayer petitions in there. By the way, put
your first name in there too. We would appreciate that.
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It just makes because if it's user like user one, two, three, four, five,
six seven, it's just much easier to just say your
first name. So please do that. You have little less
than an hour because we have to put them all
together and that takes time. And for those of you
who are watching on all the other social media platforms,
you can go just go to our the website and
well you by now you know exactly where it is.
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And then in Judy Anne, she always posts a video
or you know, the picture saying place your prayer petitions
in our book to the face page because we can't
say that, you know on TikTok because you get shadow
man and put your prayer petitions. Make sure you do
that again before eight pm Eastern, Okay, because we want
to make sure we include all your prayer petitions and
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just place it in one place, just one place. You
don't have to put it in both. And then don't forget.
We start chat at nine fifty pm Eastern and then
we start our actual night prayer at ten pm Eastern
Standard time because a lot of there's a lot of
people who are asking prayers, you know, for family members
who have cancer and will have passed away. And and
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it doesn't matter what your denomination is. That's that's what
matters is that we are praying for your petition and
that you know that there are people out there in
the world that actually do care and it's an honor
to pray for to pray for your petitions. So oh,
I'm very sorry there, Ashbary, your grandmother passed away, Ashpay
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what was your grandmother's name. Yeah, guys, please don't put them.
Don't put your prayer petitions in the chat room. Put
them in Go to my TikTok profile and go to
the video that I that I posted. You'll see it
and it says place your prayer petitions and just make
sure you put it in the comments, because Judy Anne
puts them all together. A Debbie's Debbie Okay, made the
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perpetulato Jiji shot upon her a grand her eternal rest.
I'm very sorry for your loss. All right, everybody, Well
tonight is our paranormal Friday show. One time a week.
That's it, one time a week where we you don't
dedicate to the paranormal, and we're going to have a
very very interesting conversation now, TikTok. If the trolling doesn't stop,
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then I'm going to put subscriber chat on because right
now we're seeing quite a few people being blocked and
muted because people just can't behave So just be respectful,
that's it. Just be respectful. If you can't, then I'm
gonna put subscriber chat. That's it. And I'd rather not.
I'd rather everybody participate, but nonetheless, we can't have you know, yeah,
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I know it's getting a little testsy. We'll we'll try it.
We'll try so okay, just let me know, moderators, if
it just gets too much, we'll just put it. We'll
just put it on. Well tonight, I have a very
special guest on that I'm actually excited to chat with
you guys, and and I want you to make sure
you follow him. And so he's just starting on TikTok.
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He's just starting and I truly am I'm honored to
call him my friend. You know, it's uh known. I've
known of him for quite some time, and it was
odd because we just connected not that long ago, and
it's like you got we've known of each other for
a long long time. So tonight I have a special
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guest on. His name is Father Bob Bailey. And for
those of you who do not know, let me give
you a little introduction. He's commonly known. This is from
his website. He's commonly noticed Father Bob. He's a native
of Cranston, Rhode Island. He's a retired Roman Catholic priest
in Hode Island. He earned a bachelor's degree in education
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and Human Development at Rhode Island College, attended Our Lady
of Providence Seminary in Rhode Island, and then continued his
studies his major seminary in Emmitsburg, Maryland, where he earned
a master's degree in theology. He was ordained to the
priesthood in nineteen ninety three and having entrants in the
paranormal since childhood, he began to feel like calling to
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assist those working in the area of paranormal research with
his priesthood, and he thought that the Church and the
Catholic would bring some age old wisdom and spiritual authority
to the table in the area of the demonic Amen
to that. Now, a little bit more about Father Bob
for those of you who don't know. He also appeared
on the very popular television show called Paranormal State with
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Ryan Buell, which, by the way, I've had the honor
of meeting Ryan, and you know, he went through some
rocky times. I am so proud of Ryan and what
he has accomplished and pushed through. You know that should
be applauded in the paranormal community and the community in general.
He went through some really tough times and I am
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just what a great transition he's made. And I'm convinced.
I am convinced that the doors are going to be
wide open to Ryan. That's just my opinion. He looks
fantastic and boy, what a survivor's story that is.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Throughout his career, Father Bob has provided spiritual guidance and
performed exorcisms, delving into the mysteries of the supernatural realm.
Now his expertise and experience in dealing with the paranorma
have made him a respectful figure within the field. And additionally,
Father Bob is currently traveling with Annabelle Yep, you all
know the Annabelle Doll, the infamous haunted doll from the
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Warrens Museum and obviously further adding to his fascinating background
in the world of the supernatural. There's a lot of
people who are spreading a lot of misinformation about this Annabelle,
the Annabelle Doll, and I'm just thinking, Okay, you know
what we're gonna We're gonna get Father Bob on and
we're going to get down to this because I don't
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like some of the things that are being said, and
I think Father Bob will set the record straight and
I appreciate that. So let's let's get Bob. Hello there, Bob,
how are you? And welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Great to be here, Bishop James.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I am so glad. Oh no, no, let's keep please,
let's keep this informal. I am so you know, truly, honestly,
what an honor is a chat with you. And I'm
so glad that we were able to connect after all
these years. I can't believe we have. We never connected.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I know, it's amazing, it's amazing. But God's timing is
you know time.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Amen, amen. So first of all, let's let's before we
get into Annabelle and all that other stuff. How are
you doing? Because you're retired and you're you're young, You're
still a young chicken in your twenties, So what's going on?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I wish I love you well? Appened? Was I contracted?
I have neuropathy on my feet and in my hands.
I can walk pretty well, you know, but putting my
feet on the accelerator or there, it goes numb. So
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I haven't I'm not able to drive anymore. And my
eyesight is pretty good, but sometimes it's you know, it's challenged.
So the suggestion was that I retire from active ministry,
you know, in the parish early. So I reluctantly took it.
It was very hard for me. But now it seems
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that I can devote more time to the paranormal, which
is a great thing. And so now for the I'm
actually enjoying the benefits of retirement for that matter.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, and for those of you on TikTok, we have
now sub chat on imagine that, so now you know
it's interesting. So your neuropathy, so this is not multiple,
it's not us. It's just uh, there's.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
No no, it's just yeah, neuropathy. It just it's weird
because like I lost control of the car a couple
of times, not being able to feel the well, by
by God's grace, I never hit anything or I hit anybody,
but but it just went numb and I couldn't feel
I was trying to press on the break and so
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I after the third time, because I didn't know what
was going on, I just stopped. It was July fourth weekend,
July four. You're not this joy for but a number
of years, and so it was. It's the worst thing.
I shouldn't say, but it's one of the worst feelings
is to lose your independence when you don't drive. That was.
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It still is tough and frustrating. But I have a
lot of friends, thanks to be to God, you know,
you know, and there's a lot of help me.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
There's a lot of people out there that's, you know,
probably experiencing what you're experiencing. How did you? How are you?
How are you able to get through the fact that
you know of the driving situation? Are there any type
of words of encouragement that you can offer folks who
might be going the same thing that you've gone through?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, because I wondered, do I'd like you to have
a purpose in life anymore? You know? And the thing
is yes, you just have to repurpose your life and
restructure your life and find the best now. You know, like,
I'm very fortunate. I have friends who take relative doctors
and stuff like if I need to go to some places.
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But if not, the world of uber, you know, is
amazing and it is a lot cheaper than a taxi.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Hey, you know what I'm telling you. Uber is great,
I have Yeah, I say it is. And it saves
your tremendous amount of money on insurance and car repairs
and all that. Well, let's let's let's talk a little
bit top. We're going to talk about Annabelle in just
the second, folks, I promise you we're going to get there.
Because everybody got this is the this is you know,
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he's not a Jewish priest, he's a Roman, He's a
retired Roman Catholic priest. And so what drew you to
the challenging field of demonic cases and the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, when I was younger, I was my mother had
a cousin who was a priest, an Italian priest, and
he would come next door to my grandparents every week
and have supper with them, and then you go out
and smoke a cigar. And I began to meet with him.
It used to be our time and we would talk
for a couple of hours. So we discussed things, and
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he taught me like solid stuff, not just Mamby Gamby butterfly,
you know, all that kind of theology, but like serious
ones and mentioning evil, the devil, saints, miracles and all
of that. So I got a sense of the supernatural
fum when I was a child, and I believed in apparitions,
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miracles and all of that, but I also believed in
the great conflict between good and evil. I remember going
to see the Omen when I was in junior high
school and I looked at it and I said, I
see my life in that. I see my life in that.
I'm going to be confronting evil and so, and it
was very unusual most priests, probably, I'm sure I don't
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don't think of that. But one of the reasons and
goals of my priests was to rescue people from that
realm of Satan's influence, you know, whether it just be
in lifestyle and you know, away from him, or or
you know, doing evil. So and then I always had
an interest in that, the good versus evil, And so
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when I became a priest, I was able to I
don't know if you're familiar with with Keith Johnson. Yeah,
So I found about them, and I went to see
a show and they had a weekly show, and I
became friends with them, and I was able to like
have coffee with them after and to a paranormal So
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none of my friends were into that, none of them,
so it was latent, uh. And he called me and
asked me if I would help him on a case.
I did, and I felt good about helping out like that,
and I said, yeah, this is kind of what I
want to do. And then paranormal State. You know, I
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had a friendship at Ryan and I went to my
bishop at the time and asked him and I'm contrary
to I don't know if somebody wrote it wrong. But
I don't do exorcisms. I do delivery I do deliverances
and what they would call exorcism over you know, the
miner right over property. Yeah, so he he said, yes,
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I gave him a book on that was written on
demonology and exorcism, and he gave me a few caveats.
But other than that, you know, it was fine. And
I never got called in about being on Paranormal State,
you know how it is, and you were in the seminary.
It's like, don't as easy to ask pardon and permission?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So so you weren't. You weren't called on the carpet,
so to speak on that that it was kind of
like a blessing that was given to you. As far
as paranormal state.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
H yeah, I mean I didn't. That was before I
even went on Paranormal State, I believe, or right in
the beginning, so I didn't mention much about it. But
a friend of mine, who was the secretary of the
bishop at the time, asked him. He said, what do
you think about him being on the show and all that?
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And the ship goes well. Some people, some priests like
to play golf when on their day off, and some
people like to chase ghosts.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
See now that's a type of that's a very cool bishop.
That's that is Yeah, some dioceses where bishops would have
said absolutely under no circle.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know what he actually thought
of it, like we never had an exorcist a diocese
per se. Like he says, I do know who I
can call upon when needed. So I said, okay, that's
that's fair. You know, that's very cool.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Can you when you were on Paranormal State, which was
an absolute I mean it was a very popular.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Show, can you share it was?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Can you share a particularly a memorable or intense experience
that you had when you were on Paranormal State?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, you know, I think what the intense moments would
be that we were there, you know, I mean they
would sometimes be there for a couple of weeks or
a week or whatever. It's hot to viear that when
you see you know, like a fifty minute forty five
minute show, you know, but knowing that this was a
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one shot deal and I was blown down there to
do this, and I was in the pressure for me
or the stress was can I do it in one shot?
Because we know that that doesn't always happen. So yeah,
and I felt that. But there was one instance of
a guy who was overcome. I was doing a deliverance
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over and I think that was on one of the episodes.
I don't remember the name, but I started using Latin
and he was not happy and told me to stop
using that language. And I said, no.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Did you know what you were saying?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I don't know if he knew or not, because you know,
I was alone and Ryan was not comfortable with me
being alone with him. I said, well, no, just go
with the elt spress. I'll call you if there's help.
Don't worry. So he was helped. At the end, he
was delivered. It wasn't a full blown exorcism. I wouldn't
believe he was possessed, but press and overcome by an
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evil spirit. Uh. That was that was pretty formidable for me.
I mean, actually dealing with someone who had that before
it was over places.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You know, now, as far as the locations that you've
been to, has there ever been in a location where
you know you were there you were in investigating or
performing the minor right? Was there ever a place that
really that the hair stood on the back of your
head and you're like Okay, this is you know, this
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is pretty serious.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
There was an episode, and I remember the name of
this one was called Church of the Damned. It was
an old Protestant church and people were living in there
saying that something was happening. What I will say is
stood on my hands. I had stood because of a
good in a good way, because when we were trying
to li you know, the place of the demon chip
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coffee at the time, said the prayer to Saint Michael,
and he said, so what do you think about that?
And all of a sudden you could see the heat
index just spike. As soon as he said, amen, what
do you think about that? It's spiked? And I went,
holy crash. And even the text were going like this
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doesn't happen like that. And I said, you guys, realize
what you have. You have documented proof of the intercession
or intervention of the archangel And that to me was
was big. I don't know if everybody took it as
much as I did, but it was a It was
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a thrilling thing to see Michael's intervention.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Now, Tammy Tammy Joy there on TikTok is asking have
you ever experienced total fear in any case? That you've
ever worked.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Honestly, no, no, I don't know why. And I'm not
going to say that that it won't ever happen in
the future. But no, you know, I feel myself grounded.
And you know, the bishop asked me that. I said,
aren't you afraid? And I said, no, Bishop, I'm not.
Real people scare me. Demons I can put them in
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their place by the power of Christ, but real people
scare me more so right now I have to say no,
like I feel the groundness of my faith. You know,
I'm not saying that I would go in there and
go you know, and it's uh, you know, I respect
enough you know that that that evil is real, But
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no I have I haven't yet. I will just say yet.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's interesting about me. It's interesting you say that because
I say that off on TikTok when I do or
the shows, and I always say, you know, demonology is
one thing. What really truly frightens me is how people
can be so cruel to other people and then are
able to put their head on the pillow not giving
a second thought. I mean that to me, that's that's
frightening to me. I don't understand how anybody could be
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like that. Yeah, so what what insights have you personally
gained about the nature of evil and the existence of
demons throughout your career.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Well, that is very clever, and that every case is different.
Every dealing with a demon is different. Some are easier,
some are not. And also that you're going to be
very careful to sometimes they will hide. This is a
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big thing. There's a case right now where everything seems
hunky dor and everything is fine. I'm going, yeah, they're
lulling you because they don't want us to come out.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So and you know, now there's a lot of people,
of course we know we your wards and people they
swear and then they call me all kinds of names
and say, oh, you're spreading this information blah blah blah
about wigia boards. Okay, yeah, So for those of you
who are Roman Catholic, now this is a Roman Catholic priest,
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how do you feel about wigia boards.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I believe legia boods are very dangerous because it's a
form of conjuring. Conjuring is forbidden by the scripture. Now,
people saying, well, will you go into a whole Yeah, yeah,
that's different when we go in for an investigation. We're
trying to find out if there's something already there. And yes,
we do try to communicate in the name of the
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Lord to find chansers. But when you're using the Luigia Bood,
you're opening the same thing with sance. You're opening yourself
to other realms coming in that may not be human,
and they love to mask as children and all of
that you could be opening. And in cases they have
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open doors for the demonic to come in, and then
it's tougher to try and enclose those portals to know
where they are exactly. So, yeah, it is forbidden because
we're conjuring. Conjuring is very dangerous. You know when we
were younger, you know the Luigi Boys came out in
the sixties and seventies. Yeah, we played with them as
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in a childlike way. You can't do that anymore because
there's so much activity out now and so much that's
been unleashed already on our plane on the Earth that
it can be very dangerous. So it's better off not
to do it. You don't want to take that chance.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Amen, I mean, and I don't know why people do it.
And then and then they always say to me, well,
now wait a minute. You know, I've been playing with
Wiji boards for fifteen years and nothing has ever happened.
And then I always say to them yet, and that's
the problem, because what happens. You know, you keep playing
with it, keep playing with it, keep playing with it,
and then something happens five years from now, and so
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it's I just don't I don't understand. And now, of
course now they have Luigia boards for kids. I mean
they have the blue and they have the pink.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's just it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And oh did you hear about now they have the
Holy Spirit board. Have you heard about that? No, yes, sir,
it's called it actually it's called the Holy I'll send
you a text. It's called the Holy the Holy Spirit board,
and it has it has the magical cross for the planchet,
and you know they have Jesus and you owe magical Jesus.
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That's that prayer that you pray, and it is I'll
send you some pictures of it. You're you're going to
be shocked. But that's what they have this out now,
the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit board.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Talk about dematic truly know it's and I know the
people there who say that spirit boards are ancient, and
they supposedly the practitioners of whatever and say they know
how to use it, you know, safely and all that whatever.
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I don't know. What I'm going to tell you is
ninety nine percent of the people are not them, So
for them, it is dangerous. And so that's why I
say no to lead you boards. Okay, So it's not
part of our tradition. It's like, we don't believe in
the pre eminence of the soul, you know, we don't
you know, we don't believe in conjuring, you know. So
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it's just a faith.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So how do you prepare yourself mentally and even spiritually
before you know, engaging in a case involving the supernatural?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Well, I try to make for the most almost all
every day, I make an Eucharistic Holi hour, and I
ground myself in prayer for protection every day. But before that,
if I'm going to a case whatever, I do two things. One,
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I you know, I do more prayer, more protection. And
then the Holy Sword Apostolate has a group of prayer warriors.
So I would contact the prayer warriors and say I'm
going to an investigation, and they say, please cover us
in prayer. Those two things I do and always conscious
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of you know that it's it's Jesus that protects us.
It's not me, you know, like myself, I if I
encountered the supernatural, you know, the demonic anyways that you know,
I'm no match. But with him, I am because of him.
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So I so that I leave ego at the door,
you know, No.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I understand that. And there's a lot of people who
are skeptical and these you know, there's no such thing
as demons, there's no such thing as possession. There's a
lot of people who will say this, yeah, yeah, And
how would you respond from the Roman Catholic clergy's perspective.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Well, I mean there was a time even in the church,
I mean in the sixties and seventies, and you know,
and I know I'm living with some of these guys
who were taught that out. There's no personified evil. It's
a part of view and all this and psychology, and yeah,
there are site there are psychological issues and things that
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are prevalent that might look like demonic possession. That's why,
as in our Catholic tradition, we don't or before an
exorcism can be done we have to have a medical
examination of the person and a psychological and with that
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we formulate, Okay, is there something that that it's there
that's a psychosis or whatever, because if you try and
help that, you know, with an ectcism, you're not going
to help the person. So we try to be holistic
about it. And I think that's the best way to
do it. Granted that could that could be both happening
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at the same time, but you have to deal with both.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Sure, Yeah, because so we.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Don't just assume, okay, because that person is actly like that,
they're demon possessed, well not always, not always.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
We're not fundamentalists, right, And that's the dangerous with that,
because you know, there's a lot of people running around
performing exorcism with people without psychological evaluations. And if someone else,
if they have the ide this is socially of identity disorder,
you can create another identity. I mean, this is dangerous
stuff that I've seeing so many Yeah, you're right, fundamentalists.
I mean they're you know, they're they're they're doing these
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deliverances on all these people. There's absolutely you could be
feeding into psychosis and it's really dangerous.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, well you're not helping the person, You're making it worse.
And that's why you need you know, we're less, you
know in psychological advances. I mean the downpod of site
of the psychology thing is that they sometimes there's so
much that they don't they're not willing to admit, you know,
the spiritual side. But when you have good psychologists who
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are open to both, then they're a tremendous asset. And
that's what our network is trying to build. You know,
it's you know, people who who are the background in
psychology but also are open to the spiritual.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, talk to us about that. Does the network that
you're trying that you're trying to build. Explain what the
network is about?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Okay, it's it's now. I'm working with Father Can Father Cantories,
who's an Orthodox, yes, Orthodox priests on the West coast. Uh.
And it's it's interesting because it's really starting to flower
and blossom the Holy Sword the populate. So we're trying
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to build a network of just resources you know, of
clergy and people in medical which we haven't gotten yet
on there, but people with psychology and you mentioned Ryan View.
Ryan is going into psychology. Wonderful to be a counselor.
I mean, he really is. I agree with what you
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were saying about Ryan, and I love him. I was
just with him on the Troy d Annabel and another
guy that I'm talking with who's a psychologist, and so
we're trying to get those on hand and then also assessors,
those who are good at just going in and asking
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the right questions of the clients. So with all of
that together to form to help form a well rounded
assessment of the cases to help the person in the
best way that we can. And again, you know, investigations
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should be the last thing, hopefully that you have to do.
That we can help in other ways, you know, so well,
I think it's it's it's slow growing, but it's it's beginning.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I have a feeling it's going to I think you're
it's going to explode pretty quickly because the need is
so huge.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It is still huge, it is.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And for those of you just tuning in, where talking
to our friend father Bob Bailey. He's a retired Roman
Catholic priests, still very active in the paranormal and helping
the paranormal community, and he's traveling with the Annabel Doll
which we'll talk in just a second, and so we're
I think it's a fantastic that you're, you know, reaching
out to other people. And one thing also don't understand,
(32:44):
and I would like for you to shed light on
your perspective. You know, I have friends from all walks
of life, from all denominations, and I don't understand this
denomination elitism. I don't understand it. It makes no sense.
What's should what really should? I think even Paul talked
about what united to the fact that we've accepted cristis
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our Lord and savior and so, but we have this
denominational elitism. Well, for example, that person is Baptist, so
I can't work with that person, or that person is
episcopage or Lutheran or whatever. But I don't understand that.
I don't understand that. So is anybody? So is anybody
allowed to be in the organization that you are creating?
Or do you have to be a certain faith? How
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does that work?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Uh? You mean in the network? Oh? Or to help
to help somebody? Oh? Yeah, No, we don't. We don't.
We don't require anything. I don't require anything. We don't
require anything. If the person has to help, we help them.
If they have a faith tradition that they were brought
up with. Then we asked them go back and practice.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No, no, if they want, if they want to volunteer to
your organization. So if they want to say, hey, you know,
father Bob, I would like to help you guys, uh
with your organization.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, well, first of all, we'd have to, you know,
just find the background. We should that they're you know,
bonafide and all of that. But no, no, we would
work with any any denomination as long as they you know,
as long as they are bona fide and that they
believe in in the supernatural, you know. And and but
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again have a balance, have a balanced theology of demonology too,
you know. But no, we don't. We don't know, there's
there's no prejudice. And you know, I also work with
a group, it's a metaphysical group wal Druna uh and uh.
And there may be some instances where, you know, I
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need to consult with stuff within the metaphysical because I
don't understand it. Uh. You know. Again, it doesn't mean
I I embrace that side of it. I don't, but
I respect and so I have a great repons I
have a great lepois with the metaphysical community because I
don't judge them. You know, it's we believe in the
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same goals and that's what's important.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's right, you know. And I've been on record on
this and I get flat from it, but I really
don't care. I have friends that I absolutely love, and
I am convinced without question that these people who are psychics,
who are mediums, I am absolutely convinced that there are
people who truly absolutely have a gift. I don't have it.
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I'm not a psychic, I'm not a medium, but there's
no doubt in my mind that there are people that
have these gifts. So I would like to know your thoughts. Again,
I think that there are people that do have this gift.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And yeah, and I will hardily agree. I've run into
the things that I can't that I can't explain, and again,
I think they're gifts from God. There are terms I
you know, I have a problem if they're profiting off
of a gift like that. But you know, and and again,
there's a lot out there who really don't have the gift.
(36:05):
There's plenty out there, you know, everybody's a medium now,
but there are true but you know, whatever we call
it is a semantic thing. We have gifts of the
Holy Spirit, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, and that's what I would
call And Mulaine had that, and she was a devout Catholic, Yes,
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Loraine Warren. So yeah, there are people and I've run
into them and I've also worked with them and asked
for their help because I believe that those people possess,
you know, a gift from God and they acknowledge that
which is which is important to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
And have you ever doubted your faith or encountered moments
of spiritual crisis during an account with the supernatural?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
No, not it's a supernatural. But in my walk, in
my faith walk, Yeah, even in my priesthood. Yeah, there
was some dark times when I you know, I called
into some things. It's a question, but you know, I'm
going to tell you what saved me is the blessed
Virgin Mary and my devotion to her, which is unwailing
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and very very strong. She took me through my darkest
hours and kept me for her son. And before people
say putting her before, no, no, no, Jesus is the
one intersess that Jesus is the savior. But he gave
me the gift of his mother. And I'm not going
to say no to a gift.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure, I tell you this.
I'm pretty sure that when you see Jesus face the face,
he's not going to be too angry that you venerated
and honored and loved his mom.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
This is what I say, holding a stake. You can
never love Mary more than Jesus did. That's right, never, never.
So and again, she's extremely powerful in the in the supernatural,
demons hate the Virgin Mary because she was a human
being who said yes, who answered God's call and God
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exalted her. You know, we believe she's the queen of Heaven,
you know, and you know and beyond her. And they
can't stand that because she's a human being. And so,
I mean, she's one to have in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Amen, now. And I every time I will always get
the most violent even online when we're praying night prayer.
The amount of violent responses as soon as I start
praying the Rosary, it is just it's like goodness crazy,
It's like people relaxed. Now, let me let me ask
you this. There are right now, there are a lot
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of people collecting alleged haunted items there. It is now
become a real hot issue. So talk to us about that,
because from your experience, your reaction.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, okay, and I probably didn't catch a lot of flatness,
but you know, speak the truth. You know, like in
the paranormal communities, you know groups, you know, everybody, you know,
every group had to have a psychic, Every group had
to have a medium, every group has to have a season.
It was like it's like monkey see Monkey do. And
then everyone had to have a clergyman. Even if you
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went to the you know, Universal Life Church, you got yourself,
you know, one of those, one of those kind of
crazy ones. So but now the latest thing is you
have to have a haunted object or a haunted doll.
And it's all because of the NFL thing. It's monkey
see Monkey do? Do I believe that there are objects
(39:44):
that are yeah, I do, but all of these give
me a break? And how you can't you know, people
are buying them? Oh yeah, okay, right, you know, come on,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Here's what I tell people. You don't know what you're buying.
You have no idea, you don't know the history of
this thing, you don't know anything about what The people
are just just buying these things left and right, and
while nothing may happen, you still don't know, and it's
just dangerous. It's like, why would you.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Exactly? People? People are into fun, not into the consequences,
the thrill and the fun of it. Now, a dear
friend of mine bought a rocking horse from a antiques store.
She had it, and all these weird things started to happen,
and my friend, who does have psychic abilities, you know,
(40:33):
just seria, it's something connected with that rocking horse. So
I did, I went in, did the deliverance of the
house and all of that, and so finally she said,
I need to get rid of it, even though I
love it, and so she gave it to Johnny's office,
you know, for his museum. I got it out, he
came right away to grab it and since and then
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she had no more problems.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So like being the I absolutely have friends that are
gifted psychic mediums. You do, How then, from from a
Roman Catholics perspective, how then would you in fact discuss
Leviticus twenty and about consulting mediums and things of this nature,
how would you how would you explain this from a
Roman Catholic perspective.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
It's it's difficult. But again, I think it's a semantic
whatever the word medium, you know, Like I don't believe
in fortune tellers. And because God is not a puppeteer,
he doesn't play gay. He's not gonna give people, you know,
to you know, to tell your future, because God gives
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us free will, and it's an as no kind of thing.
Accept the rare occurrences that might happen, you know, like
like a lady of Fatima said, you know, she predicted
the miracle in beforehand, but uh, you know, but I
believe that with mediums, you just I think the thing
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is the conjuring part and in the belief in you know,
trying to try to let that be your faith instead
of believing, you know. And so I don't like using
the words mediums or psychics because I think it's a
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semantic thing. Gifted, like you said, is the best word,
because I believe that these people who say they have
gifts of mediumship because they don't know what else to
call it, you know, so everybody dumps everything in it. Really,
I believe our gifts from the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Perhaps the spiritualistic, maybe don't.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, and there are you know. And I'm
going to be honest with you. Since I've been doing
this work now more I have a sense, you know,
it's the ability to grow not a medium. And I
was like it at all, but I can go in
and almost since absolutely yep. But that's from the Holy Spirit,
I believe. So. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Now deb is asking there on on another social media platform.
She's asking about the I Am Six, the Paranormal State episode.
It's been a long time, so I I can you
talk a little bit about that and did it affect you?
I were you? I don't. I'm sorry, I don't even
know if you were on the episode. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
I was. Well, Okay, there was two aim pop b
there's the I Am six and that was father called
her father and ye into the Goddess is so and
uh then after he had passed or he was sick
or whatever, and then they had called me for the
return of the six. Okay, yes, and I worked on
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that with MARAE. Warren and uh yeah, there was there again.
That's a great example full of two things being placed
at the same time. They are spiritual and the psychological. Yes,
the girl definitely had some kind of spiritual issue of evil,
(44:14):
but she also had some emotional things that she had
to deal with too, and if you didn't, if you
don't deal with both of them, you're not going to
be healthy. So hopefully you know she you know, I
have most contact, you know, after the show. You know,
I'm not sure I'd have to ask Ran about it,
but I do know we helped her with with the
(44:38):
paranormal part of it. But but then, you know, she
had to help because you know, she was not helping
the public. You know, it helped. It made her stay
home and not want to go. They're not even going
to church and all this, and we said, if she
ain't got to do this, so you know, all we
can do is give advice. Was it scary again? You know?
(45:01):
I mean I don't that's the emotion I don't have
with this. But it was formidable. I will say that
it was formidable. And part of it was because there
was two aspects to that case.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Okay, and have you been to the Warrens Museum and
what inspired you to travel with Annabelle the Doll? So
let's get into that.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Okay, Yes, I'd been a number of times to the
to the museum. The last time before the you know,
this time with the animal was when Sam and Kobe there.
I was just tapping that night to be doing a
podcast for Nests and so they were there, and so
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they said, would you mind blessing them before they went
into the museum. I said, yeah, sure, I'll pray for protection.
So I did so I ended up hanging out there
all night while they were doing it out side, being
kind of a spiritual bodygud. And what's odd about that
one was, you know, I blessed them. They came out
a couple of times for blessings because it was getting
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intense in there with the spirit box. Unknown to them.
After they came out the second time, I went and
I took my rosary outside and began praying the rosary
for them. When they finally came out, they said, you know,
the spirit box called your name three times, Bob, Bob
and then Father Bob. I said, okay, yeah, all right, then,
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yeah they know I'm here. It doesn't scare me, you know,
but yeah, what inspired me too is just my friendship
with Nespers. You know, I've been friends with them and Tony.
You know, Tony knew I thought the world of Lorraine
and Lorraine thrown a lot of me too, so I've
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been connected with them. But when I heard about this
tour and Annabelle dan Rivera who's part of the lead,
asked this, if you want to go on this tour,
and I said, you know, why not? I'm you surely
couldn't even ask me. I said, yeah, it's a question.
I said, yeah, cross country tour. Yeah. So my role
(47:19):
was like spiritually protecting and when I went wherever they were,
if people wanted blessings, once they saw her, they could
come over for blessings, and a lot of people did sure,
or some people came over with some issues that they
needed to talk about. So definitely it was worthwhile for
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me to go. And it gave the spiritual aspect, you know,
it added to why Annabelle, you know, why the tour
you know was taking place.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
So let me ask you this before we get to
the annabel Okay again, because I get a lot of
flak from this, but oh yeah, I defend paranormal investigators
because they've helped me through the years. Because we you know,
we don't have a private plane, so if a plate,
you know, if if a family is begging clergy to
help them, and they're in California. We have to reach
out to a team to investigate the determined if we
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have to raise money to get to this family's home.
So can you please set this straight to many people
because I get a lot of hate. Is paranormal investigating
for for example, assisting clergy, assisting families who might be
dealing with something. Is it the work of the devil?
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Absolutely not, unless you're doing something right evil like I again,
some some groups use biga boards and other givenation kind
of like that, and you know then then that's wrong.
It's just misuse of whatever. But no, it's not evil
at all. It's it's you know, the sales next him
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and say, well, it depends on how you look at that.
You know when you're going in to help and find out.
Even Jesus in the Gospels, there are several places in
the Gospel where they were the disciples were frightened because
they thought he was a ghost. He says, no, that's it,
and he said, notice that the ghost does not have
flesh and blood as I do. He never said there's
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no such thing. Again in another section. Great, there's only
a few sections, but our Lord never never, never passed
up a moment for a teachable moment, and that would
have been a teachable moment to say there are no
such things as ghosts or spirits.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I'm so glad I say I say that so many
times I get flacked from this. When he was walking
on water, they thought he was seeing a ghost. When
he was resurrected, they thought that's why he said to
give me something to eat. Ghosts don't have fleshes buns.
You see that I have so if in your and
that yes, finally, okay, So folks, can we please put
that to rest because everybody there are and I also
(50:00):
want to ask you this, can we set the record
straight from a Roman Catholic perspective perspective? Is everything demonic
or or are there truly things as a ghost?
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yes? Okay? This is this again was out of you
know again years a fact, but we believe in and
I think most but Catholic traditions would have would hold
to uh the Communion of Saints. Yes, that there's a
relationship between us on earth, the tradition militant, those who
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are in heaven, the church triumphant. And then there's those
on the way we told them the purgatorial soul, which
I believe in, and those are the ones that are
around their way. Many of them, you know, uh ask
for help or many of them are working out that
that purification. And I think that's a lot of the
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spirits that we see in fact, every mass. I asked
Satan Michael to bring souls to the Mass that are
ready to be released, so that the so that the
graces of the Mass will bring them to heaven. Other
words and other things. I also believe in free will,
so that if a spirit doesn't want to cross over
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for whatever reason at the power of death, does God
honest free do you take free will into the into
the next world in in into you know, the you
know life with God. I would answer yes, because the
angels still have theirs. So it's an anomaly. But in
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my experience, I don't think there's anything against our teaching
to say that, you know, the Norman is you're going
to heaven Hell a preparatory. But whatever preparatory is, but
whatever has happened, you know, it could be an unprovided death,
that could be a violent death or whatever extreme fear
that God allows them their free will. So I believe
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there are spirits out there, and it's it's you know,
And there's been other works from priests and whatnot. So
everything is not the devil, you know. And and spirits
who have died are no longer they no longer have
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space and time, so they could be with God and
still here on earth watching over us like our loved ones.
It's not that they haven't crossed over, it's that God
allows them, just like our Godian angels are with us
all the time, but they're also all the time before
the throne of God.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
I love this conversation because you are echoing things that
I have said that I get a lot of hate
from people and folks. If ghosts didn't if ghosts did
not exist, Jesus would have told them, don't be silly.
Ghosts don't exist. That's not what he said. So not
everything is a demon demon demon, It just simply is not.
So I am really glad here. So now what about
all these people who are saying that, Well, now, wait
(53:15):
a minute, there's a lot of unusual occurrences are going
on with this Annabelle and traveling with Annabelle, with you know,
the plantation catching fire and all this other stuff. What's
your thought, what's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (53:26):
That's nonsense, that's nonsense. I mean Annabelle again, Like people
were asking me, an't you afraid because she's in a
vain behind I said, no, I don't even think about it.
You know. The thing is she's been bound, and we
renew the binding prayers with her. Now she doesn't. I'm
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not afraid. I don't mock her. There is something to
it formidable, so I respect that part of it. I
will never make fun of a pressed object because then
you know you're to get stuff up and retaliation. But
I'm also not afraid in that. So I tell people,
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I said, you'll fine, I said, if you stop mocking
it or criticizing or insulting it. I said, well, bets
are off. So the reason why, the reason why they
chose to bring it is because the museum is closed
because of zoning. So bringing something like that attracts people
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so that we can tell them that, yes, good and
evil exists. That's the reason they're bringing it, and they're
marketing it in a way that it is causing people
to come. And let me tell you, Guttysburg has already
sold out and it's a phenomenon, Ryan, you will put
(54:51):
it on TikTok this first time on TikTok, and it
went viral like we never even knew it. But as
far as the other stuff, No, the only thing I'm
gonna say is there this voodoo lady that came by
in New Orleans. She was doing all this incantation and
she was saying, go to Halle and the bell, go
back when you belong, and I'm going like you know,
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and I and I got a little upset when her
told her to take her pagan stuff and leave because
she in the name of voodoo. Well Marie Leveaux, who
was the queen of the Voodoo Queen of New Orleans.
Her house stick kept on fire. Now that's the only
thing I'll say. It was an electrical fire. But still hmm.
She told she was this voodoo lady was taunting her,
(55:38):
so that might have been the other stuff. Is coincidence?
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Have you had any unsettling experience so far while traveling
with Annabelle?
Speaker 3 (55:46):
Nope? None?
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Okay, And can we set the record straight for the
million time? Is annabel missing? Is annabel missing?
Speaker 3 (55:53):
Oh? No? I was there when we brought her back
to the museum. I was there, so this is not here.
Say this is first can information, you know, and and
and of Chicago of all places. Yeah, we're going to Chicago,
but not yet. I don't know where that even came from.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
And has she been taken Some people.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Are saying that it, uh, it's a fake dial, that
the original one is. That's nonsense. I don't believe me.
I've been to every every corner of the warrant's house
and the museum.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
So yeah, this is Grace is that? Yep? It is
the real Annabelle. So now, has she ever been taken
out of her of the case during any of the touring?
Speaker 3 (56:44):
No? Okay, never the only time.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
No.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
Well, I will say this, it's not done when anybody's around.
If she's like slouched down, then they have to prop
her up. Yes, one of the guys and they have
special uh gloves with the exercise metals in each satement
and they were blessed and the gloves were blessed, so
they would put those gloves on and they would, you know,
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just kind of fix her up there before everybody came in,
but never taken out. No, and not to show people. No,
And yeah, and they say this is the other rumor,
Oh the rain and Ed said that it should never
be taken out. Well, that's not true. I don't know
where that came from, because they took it out. They
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used to have when the museum had to be closed.
They would have nights with Annabelle and they would take
Annabelle out and they have taken it Lyon first time
Heath saw the Annabelle was out of college. That they
brought because it's a teachable tool to teach people. That's
the reason. The ultimate goal is to teach them both
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the reality of evil. And for some reason this stuff
attracts them. You know, I wish miracles would attract people.
But I'm in the process now of making up groceres
that I'm going to bring next time that talk about
different one of the different hauntings. What there different demonic
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influences and have them on hand to give to people.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
So is there anything special about the case as far
as are there any metals, blessed metals?
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Yes, Oh that's a great question. Yes, my friend Dan
Rivera uh made that case, uh when it was going
to travel, and it was use holy oil, oil and
holy water was used in the staining of it. In
the back. There's like a covering behind it, the backdrop,
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but behind that is the words of the Lord's prayer.
Etch do it? Three crosses symbolizing the Holy Trinity, and
they're there are two plaques of Saint Michael the archt
bless of Saint Michael the Archangel on either side. Yes,
there is that that famous Chao cod of the devil.
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And people say why, it's because it's making a point
that this thing is evil. You know that that there
is an evil presence and evil is real.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
So has there ever been an investigation where the the
demonic has given its name or any type of indication
there at all through.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
Ev P not? Not to my knowledge, has there been
a name of the doll. If there was, they're not saying,
but you know, I don't believe there is. There was
an age what what what happened? Was there some psychic
who was not obviously accurate told those two nurses that
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it was the spirit of a girl named Marabel when
there wasn't you know, something?
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Certainly something? And then as far as if you have
an item, and let's say someone purchased an idelman and
they brought it home and they claim activity is occurring
they don't want it in their home, and they say, okay,
father Bob, can you please take this or bless it
or what is your process for that?
Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Well, what I would do is I would talk to somebody,
either to the Warrens Museum or to or to Johnny's office.
I'm sure there's others, but those are the two I
would probably, you know, go to first and see if
they would take it away. They know how to handle it.
I would definitely have them, you know, get it out
(01:00:44):
of the house as much as they could, but give
it to a place where again, it can't it can't go.
Don't burn it because then you unleash it to go
somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And that's the thing with you and I, we've never
actually had the conversation. I have a storage facility of
items that I have taken through the years of people's
homes because they collect, they collect these things, these things,
and violent and crazy activity occurs in their home. So I,
for I have a storage facility and people still collect
these items over and over and over, and it just
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doesn't I just don't don't understand. So what is the
what's the long term goal? As far as the traveling
with Annabelle. You know, where's where are we going next?
How's that work?
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Okay? Right now they're going to UH in July. Next
month they will be going to get this brog which
it's already sold out. I will be in Fatima, Pleotugal
during that week. Just happens to be that. It's a
pilgrimage I planned two years ago. But then in September
(01:01:52):
they're going to Maine, I believe it is. I'll be
going with them, God willing. Uh. And then in October
they will be going to two places. They'll be going
to Rock Island, Illinois and UH Lexington Lexington, Kentucky. Yeah. Uh.
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And then that's all for now. What's going to happen
in the future. They're not one hundred percent sure. You know,
they would like eventually to have a permanent place for
the museum. Right now it's in the neighborhood and it's
just not and they can't do that. So I think
that's a goal. But from right now, the tool was
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just something to be able to bring awareness with that,
and it was a trial, I guess, and on a
big scale. I mean they've had nicely Antebell and all
that before or War analogy as they call it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
But that hasn't contacted him and said, hey, I'll offer
some money for it put in his museum.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Oh, I'm sure he has, you know, don't even go
there with that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I'm sure. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
No. I think he was thrown out because he was
told not to touch the thing. They tried to Really,
I didn't hear this. It was not respectful. Yes, that's
what they told me.
Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, that's not see that is not that is that
is so? Now why from your perspective as clergy, I
can because you are the guests, So why do you
not destroy them? Why do you not burn the objects?
Why don't Why don't you do it?
Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Okay, because the well burning, if you do anything like that,
you will then the spirit is released and it can
go anywhere else. And I think edm Lorraine's or especially
his thing is it's safer being contained and bound than
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the chance of it going somewhere else. And it's a
teachable moment. I couldn't send it to help maybe and
an exorcism. I don't know if you can do an
exorcist them over a doll like I don't know if
that exists. It could, but you know, certainly you can
do binding, but you know, I think they chose to
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do that as as a teachable moment too. You know
that that would be my The funny thing is I
was going to ask them next time it's with them
if I'm right on that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
You know, Well, it's interesting because I had Lorraine. The
reason I asked. I had Loraine on the show a
couple of times here when not this was when I
was on pair of X Radio, and I've asked her.
I'd answer her the same question, and she her answer
was the binding. They just did not want to release
it and instead to have it bound to the objects
so they wouldn't hurt anybody else. And so exactly what
(01:04:44):
you said is one Lorraine said. So you're you're right on,
You're you're absolutely you're right on, And you guys can
go as far as the you guys can google. Do
you know the true attachment story? Because there's a lot
of debate on Annabelle because I we're, we're, we're a
little later than an hour. I don't know, Bob, don't
want to stay all night, but I could talk to
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you all night. But do you know the story that
the true attachment story Grace is asking.
Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
I don't know, gosh the details though, I'm terrible because
there's so many different There's there's debate as.
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Far as the attachment and a nurse somehow, you know,
brought it home and then she says there was some
activity or something of this nature, and so you guys
can google. There's a lot of debate on that. But
I know when I talked to Lorraine, she didn't like her.
She didn't like being around Annabel. And she even said
that when I asked her, and she said, no, it
makes me very uncomfortable. I don't even like oh, yeah,
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the museum. Yeah, she didn't like her.
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
No, no, no, that's that's accurate.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Now your your parentormal user name, I'm the paran almost
TikTok user name is paranormal do Padre.
Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
So yeah, I don't know why the dot, but maybe
because it was already used, someone made for me.
Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
So paranormal Padre. Everybody paranormal dot. Don't forget the dot.
So everybody gonna follow. We're all gonna follow, Uh, father, Bob,
We're all gonna go there. I'm gonna make a video
and we're going to just follow father Father. Look, this
is just.
Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Just be patient because I just started with it, so
and I already have to two Facebook pages, although you
know I should have the time I'm retired, but uh
so I am gonna develop it. I just I've been
slow to doing that. I mean I was the fervor
with Annabelle and I was I'm the chore to do that.
(01:06:45):
But I will be developed it now. I don't have
a choice yours.
Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
We're gonna, We're gonna put so No, no, it's paranormal.
Everybody's paranormal dot podre. So make sure that's that's the
TikTok name. So when you go on TikTok parent, there
you go. Thank you Bill, Bill, paranormal dot Podre. So
everybody head on over to paranormal dot Padre. Let's all
follow our father, father, Bob and I do.
Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I want to take this time to thank you too, James,
because you've been in this field for a very long time,
also working and a lot of people looked up to you.
So you know, I commend you for your years of
working and doing the work.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
So I appreciate that. I really do, and I'm always
here if there's anything in this world that you need
that I can help you with consider it done. I
consider you a friend and I am absolutely I appreciate
I appreciate you so much for taking the time and
chatting with us this evening. And I'll send you a
text a little bit later on when I get off air.
Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Okay, all right, all right, well, thank you for everyone,
and God bless all you. Just be safe, keep your
faith and have hope. Live in hope, don't live in fear.
Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Beautiful words. Thank you, Bob. I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Thank you all right, God bless you. Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
All right, that's our new friend, father Bob, Father Bob.
We appreciate him being really, Father Bob Bailey, sweetheart of
a man, truly, just the sweetheart of a guy. So
make sure everybody make sure you go to TikTok and
you follow him. Remember it's paranormal paranormal dot padre all right,
(01:08:33):
So but be patient with him because he's just learning TikTok.
He's just learning it, and that way, you know, we
can kind of help him through it. And because I
think he's going to do quite well on TikTok and
on all the other social media platforms. And I'm I'm
glad to see him because he took off some time.
He took some time off. Rather he took some time off,
(01:08:55):
you know, for his health. And so I am so
happy to see him back into the saddle. You know,
back in the day he was, he was really fantastic,
helped a lot of people, a lot of and continues
to do so.
Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
M h.
Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
And now that he and Bishop ken Taurus, who is
a fantastic human being. You know, people saill calling father
can but he's a bishop and he's a great guy.
And so he they're there. They have an organization now
that you know that they're going to help people and
help families, and so I'm going to volunteer in any
(01:09:34):
way that I can to help them. And so yep,
ali they can. So there we go. That is a father,
Bob Bailey and he's again he's on TikTok paranormal podre
paranormal dot podre paranormal dot podre is where you guys
need to go to follow him. And there we go.
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You know, it is interesting because a lot of these
items they're very dangerous. And week I'm going to be
bringing some of these items that I've collected through the years.
I don't really like bringing them in here, but I
do on occasion, and I'm going to be bringing some
of these items, some items I've never shared before and
(01:10:15):
some items I have. And I will bringing that doll
that calls complete and total chaos that was found on
that was aired on Eli Roth Presents Legion of Extorcist show.
So I'll be bringing that in. I tell you, that's
just interesting. You got to be careful. You just got
to be careful with these items, and so there's nothing
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good that comes with them, really nothing, and more and
more people bring them in and purchase them and then
bring them to their home and then all you know,
activity occurs, and you got to be careful. Yeah, Judy
Anne doesn't like that doll, Judy En does it? Okay,
So here's the deal. We're going to turn the chat
on for everybody because it's the second hour. Just TikTok listen,
(01:11:00):
Just be kind, just be kind and if you're kind,
then we'll leave chat on for everybody. But you know
what I really liked about this is because number one,
you know, everybody knows what my faith and everybody knows
that if you know, Father Bob. No, unfortunately, Nancy, I didn't.
I don't know why. I don't know why for those
(01:11:21):
of you who the reason is, we had to turn
subscriber chat on because people came in and they were
very vicious before we went live everywhere, they were very
vicious and said some terrible things, and so that's it.
We put the subscriber chat on and that's that's the
way it'll be. So hopefully just be kind. But you
know what I loved about this is now Mark, I
(01:11:44):
don't have that. What I really loved it is so
many things that he said. We have been talking about
this for years. I love the fact that we talked
about paranormal investigators are not doing the work of the devil,
and I'm getting so fed up. And of course I
agree there are people who push the envelope. That's not
(01:12:05):
don't I don't work with people who push the envelope.
It's too dangerous and it's irresponsible. But we absolutely Yeah,
you can on the other social media platforms, Kevin. But
as clergy, you know, I've not won the lottery. I
don't have a private jet, and I don't get paid
as clergy, so I don't receive a stipend. I don't
(01:12:26):
receive a salary. And when families need my help, I
don't charge. So if a family's in California, I've got
to wait. I got to find a way to get there.
Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Just recently, i've had people who've helped, like Leo, Judy Anne.
It's helped tremendously in other people. But really that's just recent.
That was over over a year ago. A little over
a year ago, I met Judy Anne. So for twenty
four years, I've been doing this by myself, putting fifteen
thousand dollars on the credit card to help people for free.
And that's what I've been doing for twenty four years
(01:12:57):
for free. And so when I go to when a
family is in California, I can't go back and forth
and do I just can't, nor should I be expected to.
So what I do is I reach out to teams
that are in the paranormal community, that are seasoned, that
don't think everything is a demon because it is not.
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Father Bob also agreed, and that paranormal team goes out
and they investigate, they gather all the evidence, they try
to debunk, and then they present the evidence and then
we have to go from there. And if in fact
it's the Moonic, then I have to find a way
to get to that family's home. And you know, I agree,
I'm the one. I am the one who set the
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rule no charging. Sure, I certainly had every right I could.
I could have set the rule for five thousand dollars.
I could have It's my ministry, so I could have said, yep,
five thousand dollars, that's how much it's going to cost.
I'm the one who set the rule twenty five no charge.
But it's interesting, I've the hardest part for me, and
(01:14:03):
I've said this a million times, the hardest part for
me in dealing with this ministry is not necessarily dealing
with the demonic. The hardest part is having to tell
a family who's crying on the phone begging me to
get to their home, that I can't afford it. That's
the hardest part is being able to tell you I
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can't get to your home and so but I've always
found you know, in time, God makes a way, and
so that's but that for me is that's why when
I was in twenty fifteen, if you see there's old
there's old pictures of me all over the internet, But
I was four hundred and twenty pounds so I was
(01:14:48):
in twenty fifteen, I was dying. There's no way of
fans or butts about I was dying because I was
taken on all this stress of having to tell family,
I can't get to your home. There's no way. And
that was taking a toll on my body. It was
taking a toll on me spiritually, emotionally, physically. It'd be
(01:15:12):
different if I was paid fifty thousand dollars a year. Sure,
if I was paid fifty thousand dollars a year, I
could go to people's homes. But I'm going to make
this very clear. I receive zero compensation from the church. Zero.
As a bishop, I received not one penny. So yeah,
(01:15:37):
that that's that was the That was very difficult for me.
So I've had to learn, yeah, one twenty pounds. And
I as a matter of fact, when I did Exorcism Live,
which I wish they would not have called that the
show the exorcism, let me and let me say this
very quickly because I want to clear that up. So
in twenty fifteen, I was contacted to do Exorcism Life.
(01:16:00):
First of all, there was no name for it. So
they said, this is the situation. The family wants you
to come to their home bless their home. They told
me the backstory. The backstory was the wife was pregnant
and they lived in the Exorcist House, the actual house
in Saint Louis, And so they asked me to come
bless their home. Okay, I've been doing it for a
(01:16:21):
long she hurt, no problem, and they said it's a show,
we'll get you here. I was like, good, So then
I don't have to worry about raising funds to get
to this family. So that was one worry off the plate.
So they said, this is what we're gonna do this.
So they sign an NDA, a non disclosure agreement, so
I means you can't talk about the show. You can't
give any information about the show for like two or
(01:16:41):
three years after it aired. And I was like, okay, fine,
so we all agreed. I saw in the contract. It
was good. Then they started advertising Exorcism Live. I was like,
whoa wait a minute, now, wait a minute. I'm not
performing in Exorcism on anybody on camera. I never agreed
to that. And they said, no, no, no, no, it's not
it's not that it is you know, it's uh, you're
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gonna be blessing a home. I said, well, you don't
perform an exorcism on a house. She blessed the house.
So it's and I told him, it's kind of it's misleading.
You're making people believe that I'm performing in exorcism on
someone I'm not. But I've already already sound the contract
and I'd already sound assigned NDA, so I couldn't talk
about why I was there. I couldn't talk about, you know,
on the shows. But that's the whole point of the
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that was the whole thing of the show of Exorcism Live.
But here's what I here's what I want to say
this to you. I will give them credit because after
and I told them, I said, you're giving me ten
minutes to perform a minor right of exorcism. I can't
do no way. So I said the only and I
(01:17:47):
told him I will break this contract if you don't
allow me to finish it. I'm not I'm not showing up.
I'll be sick. And they said, what do you mean?
I said, it takes an hour at least to perform
this rite. And so after the show is over, you're
gonna everybody's gonna have to get out of my way
and let me bless this home, because I'm not going
to just spend ten minutes to say, okay, it's blessed now. No,
(01:18:08):
that's not how it works. And I'll give them credit.
They will absolutely one percent. They one hundred percent said okay,
you're not really thinking about uh do you do? You
not really thinking about? Load of nonsense, Peter I. If
you're going to attack me, at least use proper english.
Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
But anyway, for I was really interrupted. So that was
the issue. And they did, they did, They absolutely did.
They said okay, and so after the show, when the
show went off air, then they told everybody. The director said, okay, everybody,
do not get in you know, his way, let him
finish it, and they did so. I spent an hour
(01:18:48):
finishing blessing the home. And when it was done, then
they broke everything down. So I, you know, I'll give
them credit for that, and they did so, and I
appreciated that a lot because they kept their word. So
that's that was. That was the twenty fifteen show. So okay,
(01:19:11):
if you guys have any questions, I'll be happy to
entertain them and do the best I can to answer them.
And otherwise I have a lot of articles that we
can get to as well. So are there any questions
at all? That's right there, belly. Yeah, and don't forget
we have night prayer coming up at ten pm Eastern
Standard time. We're a little bit aways from it, but
(01:19:33):
we do have ten pm Eastern Standard time and that's
night prayer. Oh wow, Lauren, are you very welcome to Gail? Okay,
right now, annabel is at the museum. So annabel is
not gone. It's she hasn't disappeared. That was a ridiculous story.
(01:19:54):
She hasn't disappeared. She's completely safe, and they're going back
on tour again and Father Bob will be there with them. So,
as I said, I've made a video on this on TikTok. Look,
if Father Bob's going to be there with Annabelle, then
people don't need to worry about are people going to
be safe? They're going to be fine. So scariest place
(01:20:16):
silent was the Gates of Hill Cemetery that I named
twenty years twenty five years ago, twenty years ago, and
as a matter of fact, I did documentary on it
and I put it on the tube to the you
so are you very welcome, rebel. Okay, yes, Ali, that's
even annoyed when asked to give a blessing. What do
(01:20:40):
you think of a priest that seemed annoyed when asked
to give a blessing? Was my mom? Well, no priest
should be annoyed to give a blessing. I mean that's
I don't know the circumstances. I don't know the situation,
but I mean if you're asking, if you're there and
the priest is in front of you and you say,
you know, bless me father, a priest should bless you.
So yeah, yeah, I'm not for sure, don't uh yes,
(01:21:07):
Mark amen on Hers Yeah, but I mean she hasn't
asked for a blessing. Does Annabel have security? Yeah, there's
always going to be someone there. They're not going to
allow someone just to walk in and open you know.
You know that's yes, Helen, I will. So that's like that, Deanna.
(01:21:33):
Really Okay, listen, guys, here's the deal. For those of
you who don't know, we have night prayer again. We
have night prayer coming up at ten pm Eastern Standard time,
so we pray for your prayer petitions. Remember, guys, if
you're on TikTok, Judy Anne, let me know if you
if we still have time to include because the prayer
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petitions needed to be in by eight pm Eastern. We've
made I've made a lot of videos on that on
my TikTok. I've even mentioned that several times during this
presentation today because she has to put them all together.
So if we still have a little bit of time,
then you know you need to do this now. If not,
then you know you have to wait. You know, I
can keep you my personal prayer, but that's up to
(01:22:15):
Judy Anne because she has to put them all together
to the main from home alone. I don't understand, Kira,
I don't understand what you're saying. Helped out in the
case out of the country, yes, but I wasn't, Okay,
(01:22:36):
Judy Ane says, Yet we have prayer. Yes, I have
helped with the case outside of the country. Obviously I
wasn't there. All right, So here's the deal. Judy Anne
is going to wait until nine pm Eastern standard time
to put the prayer petitions. Listen, guys, so we're giving
you another opportunity. Normally it's eight for those of you
(01:22:56):
are on TikTok. This is what you need to do
if you us hold on guys, if you want us
to pray for your petition during tonight's night prayer at
ten pm Eastern, thank you. What you need to do
is go to my profile now, my TikTok profile. You'll
see a video. Bear with me because I don't want
(01:23:17):
anybody saying that we didn't give an opportunity for people
to blast them, because we give plenty of time. So
here is the video right here. That's what it looks
like right there. So you go to my TikTok profile
and you place your prayer petitions in the comments under
the video I just showed. You put your first name
(01:23:40):
and make sure you do that now and then we
will pray for your petition tonight during our night prayer
at ten o'clock. For those of you who are on
all other social media platforms, this is what you need
to do. Go to USOCC dot org and it says
to become a parishioner. Click here. Does is going to
take you to our our our book to the face group.
(01:24:03):
I have to say that caused the TikTok and it
takes you takes you to our our our you know,
book to the face group and Judy Anne she posted
picture and it says place your prayer petitions in the comments.
Make sure you guys do that now if you want
us to pray for your prayer petitions tonight for night prayer. Okay?
(01:24:26):
Is that fair? Okay? Oh Kyle, what kind of news?
What kind of news did you get? So that that's
the thing, guys. So that's why there's a lot of
people asking for blessings, a lot of people. Remember I
run the presentation on this computer, and I also run
the show on this computer, so I have a lot
(01:24:49):
of social media platforms open at the moment. Oh, Kyle, gonness,
go your child has stage three crann Kyle, what is
your Kyle? Here's what I want you to do. Go
to my TikTok profile. Go to the video that's on
my profile that says for tonight's night prayer. I just
(01:25:09):
made that announcement, it says, and then put your names
your child's name there, and then yes, we will absolutely
do that. Yeah, is a three year old child has
been diagnosed with cancer? Okay, So again I'm gonna show
(01:25:31):
you guys one more time. Kyle, Go there my TikTok profile,
that's the video and place your prayer petitions in the comments,
and we'll pray for your absolutely and then I'll certainly
pray for them, and I will pray for your child
(01:25:52):
in my private prayers, and we will also call upon
Saint Raphael for intercession. So Kyle, do that, Okay. I
believe in miracles, and we will call upon God for
healing and thy will be done, and so we will.
I don't know Kyle is gonna put her name in
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the So we'll be there tonight at ten pm. Okay,
so there we go. Gotta make sure you guys do that.
And yeah, Kyle, what is your child's name? I haven't
seen it yet because the chat's going kind of fast.
Do we make our own demons? No, that means we
(01:26:33):
create demons that we are not God. Now we can
manifest our own A lot of people say we can
manifest our own energy negative energy meaning that, but we
can't create because angels are falling, demons are fallen angels.
We pray for everyone, Helen everyone. Jason McLoud is a
(01:26:57):
great guy. The name is there? Okay, what's the name, Kyle?
Because I didn't see it. Because I can't leave here
because if I leave here, I'll have to end the show.
So yeah, Jason McLoud is a great Marcus. All right,
Marcus is Kyle's child. Okay, we certainly will. So there
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you go, deb Jason McLoud. So we don't make sure
we pray for Marcus today, look for me. Oh well,
thank you, Mark, thank you very much. You're a very
good friend. I appreciate you very much. Thank you. Yeah,
and I tell you what we got this in this
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picture here, that's beautiful and of course the camera. Okay,
Jason McLoud he actually worked with the warrens uh and
I strongly encourage you. I strongly encourage you to buy
his books. It is a Dark Siege. They are a phenomenal, phenomenal.
(01:28:09):
The way he writes is brilliant. And all you got
to do is Jason McLoud M A C L E
O D and Dark Siege. So yeah, Unfortunately I can't
bring you on, Kyle because I run the presentation on
all the other social media platforms and they won't be
(01:28:30):
able to see or hear you. So yeah, so Jenny,
that was it. It is dark and okay, there's two.
There's a couple of them. One Dark Siege Jason McLoud
it's a true story of one of his cases that
he worked. I strongly, strongly endorse you got to get
(01:28:54):
those guys, if you've not gotten purchased them. Also, House
of Darkness, House of Light by Andrea Parrin. That those,
it's a trilogy set. It's a trilogy. She actually grew
up in the Conjuring House. She was there as a
(01:29:15):
matter of fact. She's one of the hosts. She has
a show on kg R a dB Radio, kg R
a dB dot com. And so but she has three shows,
I'm sorry, three books, House of Darkness, House of Light.
So you absolutely need to purchase those if you've not so,
(01:29:37):
Jason McLoud, you gotta get them. Dark Siege, you gotta
get them. And House of Darkness, House of Light. Okay,
of the Anthony all it's good. Okay, you see, Oh
don't wait, a cute person from God in God's work. No.
(01:30:01):
So here's what loop a loop what they do as
far as can can Demons cause injuries? Yes, So let's
explain this first, l U. P. I. D. First of all,
what you're what you're talking about is we're called demonic oppression.
Demonic oppression is when the demonic will begin to interact
with a person physically, so such as biting, scratching, pinching, hitting,
(01:30:26):
causing sleep extreme sleep deprivation, and the point of that
is to break the person's will. So in that case, yes,
but the point of attacking that person from a person
from the demonical pression perspective is to break the intellect
and will of the person so that possession can take place.
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There's also called the demonic obsession, and demonic obsession is
when the the demonic will begin to attack the intellect
of the person. So the person is beginning to think
they're crazy because they actually begin to hear the void
the demonic speak to them. And so the whole point
of that is to attack the intellect and will to
eradicate that so that person becomes an incredibly vulnerable state,
(01:31:11):
so where possession can take place, Yes, Lena, because it
certainly does. That's all under demonic oppression. When you start
attacking the person's the body, it causes extreme sleep deprivation,
immunal compromise. It basically the will of the person is
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that it is. Think of when you're incredibly exhausted beyond that,
you just you can't fight anymore. It's just a regular
advanced healing. So okay, very welcome, peg you that all, okay,
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I'm trying to go faor supernatural paranoil books. Yeah, the
oh the Queen Mary. Well, we're definitely in the beginning
stages of putting it together. I'll be going to the
Queen Mary in October. And I lost in Jordan. Actually,
if you are a true Roman Catholic, you wouldn't say that,
because of course you just got muted. But let me
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explain something to you, lost in Jordan, because you can
actually hear if you're a true Roman Catholic, practicing Roman Catholic,
you wouldn't say something like that because prope France has
actually said he called it a gravesin against the Cumanism,
which you just did, and actually Pope Leo confirmed that
faith or that belief, that teaching. So therefore you just
confirmed to us that you're actually not a practicing Roman Catholic,
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because if in fact you were, you wouldn't do what
you just did. Again, I'm not a fifteen year old child.
I've been quite familiar with Roman Catholic teaching a doctor
in the Catechism. So and if you're going to be
a Roman Catholic, then you need to adhere to the
patiff's teaching. If not, then you're a Roman Catholic name
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and only so yep Ed was a demonologist. He absolutely
worked with the church in many several cases. Actually, is
it true that is better to read the Bible than
read scary Oh? Absolutely, I mean everybody should read the Bible. Well,
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question believe in the reality of demons and evil? Sure, abigolo,
it's a good question. What do you say to people
who don't believe in the reality of demons and evil?
Then I ask him, do you accept Jesus as your
Lord and savior? And then they say Sometimes most of
the time they say yes. I said, no, you're not,
and then they get upset, and then I say, if
you truly are the if you truly tell me that
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you are a Christian, then you're calling Jesus a liar.
Because that was a part of Jesus' ministry inso much
it was so important that he told the disciples to
go out and cast demons, cast out demons. So if
demons didn't exist, Jesus would not have told his I
supposed to go do this ministry. And furthermore, I tell
people this all the time, the new Revised Standard Version,
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Catholic Edition. You know, I tell people this all the time.
I am not here to prove to you that demons exist,
not at all. I am here to help the families
who know that they do. You know, at one time
I was frustrated, Angela, you should have communication with God
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every day. Yeah, I agree to Angelica. That is very true.
That's very true. And this is why, Angelica, we have
night prayer Monday through Friday at ten pm Eastern Standard time.
We also have Bible study on Sundays and Wednesdays at
eight pm Eastern Standard time, and this is why we
pray for each other. So, yep, you're absolutely right, Angelica Salvador.
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What is the prayer that we should always pray every
day so that God is with you? God is with
you always no matter what. I'm very devoted to the
bus and Mother, so I say the Rosary. I also
say the Our Father. I also see Psalm twenty three,
Psalm Psalm ninety one. I pray the what's called the
Liturgy of the Hours. The Liturgy of the hours is
something that we did when we are in the seminary.
(01:35:15):
When I was study for the Roman Catholic priesthood and
now there are more than just five pray but I
try it to minimum at least pray five times a day.
For those of you who want to know, I absolutely love, love,
love this app and I use it often and I'll
take a picture of it and that way you guys
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can see it. So let me show you for those
of you who like, if you're like me, like if
I'm out walking, I will listen to this and pray.
It's called the Divine Office, and the Divine Office is amazing,
absolutely amazing, and again I pray every single day. And
(01:35:59):
what I love it it is it's an app and
you can pray along with it. So I mean, that's
what's so great about it because you just it goes
very nice. It just you listen and it prais and
you can just listen to it, you know, on your
head sets or whatever you have, or on speakerphone or whatever,
and that's that's how you do it. So I encourage you.
(01:36:20):
If you've not, I'm trying to open it up now
and there it is. Let me show you the what
it looks like, so you guys can download it. There
it is, that's what it looks like, Okay, I'm gonna
show you guys the Divine Office. And for today's reading readings,
(01:36:44):
I've already done all of them, so when you do them,
you get a check mark buy them to Let's just
let you know that you've done all of them. So
today I've done all all of the readings. So I've
already done night Prayer. I've already did that today before
I went on air. So that's what it looks like.
And like for example, morning Prayer, all you got to
do is just click on Morning Prayer where it says
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morning Prayer, and then it even shows you the script
see that, and you can pray along with it Morning Prayer.
See it's beautiful. And you just keep scrolling up and
you follow my assistants Lord and make page to help
me Glorie beat to the father Son only and so
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that's what you do, and you can just listen and
follow along, and so I encourage you. It's a great way.
This is just something that I did when I was
in the seminary and I've never stopped. It's just a
passion of mine and I love prayer. So okay, so
there you go, guys. Hopefully that helps you. Yep, thank you, Mark,
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I sure didn't. Yeah. So who changed the Lord's prayer? Absolutely? Yeah,
I mean okay, do we have any other questions before
we Yeah? Absolutely yes. You absolutely can have holywater with you,
(01:38:20):
but you don't want to. You gotta be careful. First
of a skydog, I investigate. I see investigators carry holy
water with them. Okay, let me just say something because
that's important. If you have holy water and you are going,
that's called a sacramental of the church. It is blessed,
like oil is a sacramental. Are blessed? Rosary is sacramental? Well,
(01:38:41):
there are several scapulars are sacramental. If these items are
blessed and you're using these items, let's say, in a
location that has demonic infestation, you better be very careful
because that is a form of provocation. See. Provocation is
not I dare you to do something. Come on, I
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dare you to something. You're not provoking, your inviting. That's
a difference. Anybody can beat their chest and say, come on, demons,
I dare you to do something. You have just now invited.
That's not provocation. Provocation is when you go to a
place that's known to have demonic infestation, and you begin
to pray the Litany of the Saints, which by the way,
the solemn rite of exorcism and even the minor right
(01:39:22):
we do, or you begin using sacramentos of the church,
ch as, holy water, church incense. You got to be
that you're going to get a response. So people need
to be very very careful. Now you can, you know,
making make the side of the cross on your forehead,
you know, the Father's side a holy spirit. But you
got to be careful when you start throwing holy water
(01:39:43):
around like it's tap water. You know you're going to
get a response, and sometimes a response that might increase
the activity. So explain that. Just be careful about you
explain why people would do that. So many forms use
sixty four to fifty eight. That's right. You're talking about acts, Eddie.
(01:40:08):
You're talking about the Sons of Skiva when they when
they were going around and there performing exorcism in the
name of Jesus, in the name of Paul and the
demon and then and then they came across someone who
is possessed, and the demon says, Paul, I know, Jesus,
I know, but who are you? And then attack them
so absolutely, yeah, hollow is a great apt to absolutely Salvador.
(01:40:33):
You remember, God knows everything, so you can certainly pray
in your heart. You don't have to pray verbally in
order for God to know that your praying, So no
such thing as holy water. I take it you're out
in you're saved, Carol Elizabeth. I take it that you're
not a Christian because if you just made a comment
about whether or not I was saved, and you don't
even know who I am, it's pretty sad that you
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claim me to be a Christian. Come in here and
tell another Christian that they're not saved. I accept Jesus Christ,
my Lord and Savior, and I know that by the
blood of the Cross, I have been saved. So you
I pray for you because you have done exactly what
Jesus said not to do, which is called judging. Well,
I tell you what, it's a shame. It's a shame,
(01:41:18):
righteous righteous Christians, Pharisees. Unbelievable. It's amazing how so many
people will come in here they start saying, well, you're
not a Christian, Well who are you? When did Jesus
give you the authority to determine whether or not. I'm
a Christian. Last I checked, you didn't have that authority.
So I rebuke that hatred and I rebuke that judgment.
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There you go, there, Kyle, heard the Active Faith scripture
sakes to place some grounds on your property or heard
of the active Faith scriptures thing? No, I've not heard that.
I thought you were meaning the whole. Oh okay, Carolyn, Okay,
it's all good. It's all good. So Carolyn and I
were friends. No, I absolutely am. I firmly, firmly believe,
(01:42:12):
and Jesus is my Lord and Savior and MX. I
know you're still waiting for an answer, but you got
to understand. I have a computer here, and I have
a computer here, and I'm one person trying to go
through questions on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, Instagram, Rumble, kgri,
dB radio, and TikTok. So if you would like to
be my producer and sit behind the scenes and funnel
(01:42:32):
through all the questions, you're certainly more than welcome to do.
So be patient, everybody, be patient. I'll do the best
I can. I promise you. Just got to be patient. Oh,
I get you, I get you. I understand. Okay, Well
that's an opinion it's called divine office user one A
three or one three eight. That's right, Tony that people
(01:42:56):
ask me all the time, what my favorite verse is
Matthew Chapter seven, verse twelve. Actually I think it's Matthew
Chaven first two. You'll be judging the same manner you
judge others. So yeah, that's uh, gotta be careful, Okay,
I was looking at something here. It's all good, so
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MX well, certainly, Psalm twenty three. I love Psalm twenty three.
I love Psalm ninety one, and I also pray the Rosary.
I'm very devoted to the blessed Mother. Nope, Mary cannot
save you. Nope, Mary cannot save forgive your sins. But
we I venerate Mary, I honor, and I respect and
love Mary absolutely. Tattoos, Okay, make it very Please understand
(01:43:41):
why it said this animals can become possessed, because actually
the pigs and scripture were possessed tattoo. The reason is
that we're talking about tattoos, be can they We're talking
about idolatry. So you got to read the entire the
scripture in its context. It was talking about false idols
and idle work. What has happened is there was a
(01:44:01):
lot of pagan influence that were mingling with the Israelite culture,
and they had a lot of pagan tattoos that were
tattooed on their body. That's what it was referring to.
So I'm absolutely convinced one percent that if you have
a cross stattoo on your arm, that's not going to
keep you from entering heaven. And by the way, that's
a part of the Holiness Code. The Holiness Code has
six hundred and thirteen laws. And we are no longer
(01:44:23):
under the old Covenant. We are under the Knu, a
covenant that Jesus established was to love love God with
all the heart, soul, mind, and body, and love our
neighbor as ourself. Okay, is piercing a sent No, again,
you're talking. It goes back to Deuteronomy, and again it's
all about pagan I don't like piercing because I don't
(01:44:47):
like the idea of having a needle. I don't like
needles anyway, period. So but if you have an ear
piers does that mean God's gonna say, oh, you have
an ear pier, so I can't let you into heaven. Really,
that's that's going to be an impediment as to whether
or not you get to I don't know. Sure THEO okay,
(01:45:09):
what do we do?
Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
We really we really shouldn't be drinking early water. Can
a Christian have a demon? Dwell? Okay, Helen, let me
make this clear. Can a Christian have a demon or
be possessed? Let me make this abundantly clear. Yes, absolutely, yes,
(01:45:30):
And I'll tell you why. There's a lot of people
who are saying Christians cannot be possessed. That is not true.
That is not true. There have been documented cases through
the years, even the Roman Catholic Church, where Christians were
absolutely possessed. Here we think that just because we're Christians
(01:45:54):
that we no longer have free will. We do. We
still have free will. So what I mean by that
is this, I declared Jesus Christ in my personal Lord
and Savior. I'm a Christian, Okay, But then I also
choose to go out and paranormal investigate. That's my free will.
I go to a location that's known to have demonic infestation,
and I go there and I say, come on, demons,
(01:46:16):
I'm not scared of you. I accept Jesus Christ is
my personal Lord and Savior. Do something to me. You
have now invited, You've now given the invitation, even though
you've declared yourselfsolutely, you've declared yourself as a Christian, but
you at the same time you have freely chosen to
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go into acuse. That's what's happening. That is what's happening
to paranormal investigators. And I'm telling you this because I
had a case where it was a paranormal investigator who
went to church every single week, who was praising Glory.
They absolutely gave their life over to God. They were
one hundred percent, and they made a mistake. They went
to a location that should not have gone to because
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they had watched television. They were tempted, as we are
all tempted. They went to this location that has demonic
infestation and they said, you know, I don't I'm not
scared of you. I accept Jesus my Lord and say
I dare you to do something. That was all it
was needed. That was all it was needed, that one mistake.
(01:47:22):
I have performed thirty three exorcisms on people who were
validly possessed, and one of the cases was from in
fact at paranormal investigator to very devout Christian but they
made a big mistake. And so I'm I'm letting you
know now. So how do I protect myself because I
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don't fear the demons. I don't fear demons, and I
don't invite, so I don't. I do not. I do not.
It is very dangerous to do that. Okay, oh by
oh goes. No, it's already getting close to Yeah, it's
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not already get in time. But we're gott to wrap
this up unfortunately. Oh man, Okay, for those of you, Unfortunately,
I'm gonna have to wrap it up because KGr dB
Radio has another presentation. So for those of you on
KGr dB radio, remember tonight we have another presentation. Please
(01:48:32):
consider joining us for our night prayer. We would love
to have you. Okay. It's at ten pm Eastern Standard time. Okay,
so if you can join us, that will be fantastic.
It would be great. That's again ten pm Eastern, and
you're more than welcome to join us. We would love
to have you there. If you can't, I understand that.
But for those of you who are on kg RDB radio, TikTok,
(01:48:54):
stay with me. For those of you on KGr dB
radio and all the other social media platforms. Remember, I
tell you your value does not to increase based on
someone's inability or refuse to see you're worth your priceless
and I let anybody tell you or convince you otherwise.
Tomorrow night, at eight pm Eastern Standard time, we're also
going to have a paranormal shoke because I did not
get to any of my and that's fine. I have
a lot of articles we're going to talk about tomorrow
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at eight pm Eastern. Hopefully I'll see you there until then,
God bless. Okay, there we go. So we've got to
close this out. Everybody, hang tight with me one second.
Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Okay, for those of you on spreaker, I'm gonna say
good night to you guys and have a great night. Okay,
So they're closing out and work, say have a wonderful
night there. Springer Ham of a
From the mysteries of the paranormal to world headline news.
We cover it all. Welcome to the Sacred Division and
now Bishop James Long.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So now we're live on our spreaker format, well technically
not live, that's a podcast presentation and I'm gonna real
live everywhere, all right, now we're live. Hello, Hello, Hello, everybody, welcome.
Let me just fix that computer R. Yeah. I have
Friday to you, guys. Happy Friday to you wherever you
are in this in this beautiful, beautiful world. Hopefully you're
having you're you're having a great Friday where our poor
(01:09):
moderators are already blocking people. Can you imagine? Can you imagine?
Say it ain't so it's so all right, Well, guys, welcome,
Happy Friday to you. By the way, we're having some
we're having some rock and roll storms coming in here,
and boy, I tell you what it's they are. We
had some pretty nasty storms earlier. Thank god, thank god,
(01:31):
there are no tornadoes. We had tornadoes not too long ago,
and it broke my heart. There was a lot of
people just affected by them. So hopefully, hopefully we're supposed
to get some storms between seven and eight, and I
am you know asking, you know, praying and that everyone
stays safe no matter where you are, because there's a
(01:52):
lot of a lot of storms coming in this area.
So but you know, it's interesting because the tornado Alley
is no longer really just in Kansas. It's really, it's
not it's you know, we have it. We're Kentucky's basically
becoming a tornado alley kind of a space. And I
don't know, I don't know, but okay, all right, everybody listen.
(02:14):
I want to remind you don't forget, folks. We are
having our night prayer as we do. It's compland we
have that Monday through Friday as we Gosh, I've had
that now for twenty three years. I don't know, twenty three,
twenty four years. Man, it's been a long time. So
we have complin. That's at ten pm Eastern Standard time tonight.
(02:37):
So if you would like for us to pray for
your prayer petition, we certainly will. I'm going to remind
you don't forget now. You need to do this now
because I think there's still time. Yep. So here's what
we have to if you're going to be at night
prayer tonight for those of you who are on TikTok,
I posted a video about night prayer for this evening.
(02:58):
If you've got to go on my TikTok pro file
and you'll see right there it says place your prayer
petitions in the comments before eight pm Eastern Standard time tonight.
So make sure you guys do that. If you want
us to pray for your prayer petitions during complin, please
put your prayer petitions in there. By the way, put
your first name in there too. We would appreciate that.
(03:19):
It just makes because if it's user like user one, two, three, four, five,
six seven, it's just much easier to just say your
first name. So please do that. You have little less
than an hour because we have to put them all
together and that takes time. And for those of you
who are watching on all the other social media platforms,
you can go just go to our the website and
well you by now you know exactly where it is.
(03:40):
And then in Judy Anne, she always posts a video
or you know, the picture saying place your prayer petitions
in our book to the face page because we can't
say that, you know on TikTok because you get shadow
man and put your prayer petitions. Make sure you do
that again before eight pm Eastern, Okay, because we want
to make sure we include all your prayer petitions and
(04:02):
just place it in one place, just one place. You
don't have to put it in both. And then don't forget.
We start chat at nine fifty pm Eastern and then
we start our actual night prayer at ten pm Eastern
Standard time because a lot of there's a lot of
people who are asking prayers, you know, for family members
who have cancer and will have passed away. And and
(04:24):
it doesn't matter what your denomination is. That's that's what
matters is that we are praying for your petition and
that you know that there are people out there in
the world that actually do care and it's an honor
to pray for to pray for your petitions. So oh,
I'm very sorry there, Ashbary, your grandmother passed away, Ashpay
(04:45):
what was your grandmother's name. Yeah, guys, please don't put them.
Don't put your prayer petitions in the chat room. Put
them in Go to my TikTok profile and go to
the video that I that I posted. You'll see it
and it says place your prayer petitions and just make
sure you put it in the comments, because Judy Anne
puts them all together. A Debbie's Debbie Okay, made the
(05:07):
perpetulato Jiji shot upon her a grand her eternal rest.
I'm very sorry for your loss. All right, everybody, Well
tonight is our paranormal Friday show. One time a week.
That's it, one time a week where we you don't
dedicate to the paranormal, and we're going to have a
very very interesting conversation now, TikTok. If the trolling doesn't stop,
(05:31):
then I'm going to put subscriber chat on because right
now we're seeing quite a few people being blocked and
muted because people just can't behave So just be respectful,
that's it. Just be respectful. If you can't, then I'm
gonna put subscriber chat. That's it. And I'd rather not.
I'd rather everybody participate, but nonetheless, we can't have you know, yeah,
(05:56):
I know it's getting a little testsy. We'll we'll try it.
We'll try so okay, just let me know, moderators, if
it just gets too much, we'll just put it. We'll
just put it on. Well tonight, I have a very
special guest on that I'm actually excited to chat with
you guys, and and I want you to make sure
you follow him. And so he's just starting on TikTok.
(06:21):
He's just starting and I truly am I'm honored to
call him my friend. You know, it's uh known. I've
known of him for quite some time, and it was
odd because we just connected not that long ago, and
it's like you got we've known of each other for
a long long time. So tonight I have a special
(06:41):
guest on. His name is Father Bob Bailey. And for
those of you who do not know, let me give
you a little introduction. He's commonly known. This is from
his website. He's commonly noticed Father Bob. He's a native
of Cranston, Rhode Island. He's a retired Roman Catholic priest
in Hode Island. He earned a bachelor's degree in education
(07:03):
and Human Development at Rhode Island College, attended Our Lady
of Providence Seminary in Rhode Island, and then continued his
studies his major seminary in Emmitsburg, Maryland, where he earned
a master's degree in theology. He was ordained to the
priesthood in nineteen ninety three and having entrants in the
paranormal since childhood, he began to feel like calling to
(07:23):
assist those working in the area of paranormal research with
his priesthood, and he thought that the Church and the
Catholic would bring some age old wisdom and spiritual authority
to the table in the area of the demonic Amen
to that. Now, a little bit more about Father Bob
for those of you who don't know. He also appeared
on the very popular television show called Paranormal State with
(07:47):
Ryan Buell, which, by the way, I've had the honor
of meeting Ryan, and you know, he went through some
rocky times. I am so proud of Ryan and what
he has accomplished and pushed through. You know that should
be applauded in the paranormal community and the community in general.
He went through some really tough times and I am
(08:07):
just what a great transition he's made. And I'm convinced.
I am convinced that the doors are going to be
wide open to Ryan. That's just my opinion. He looks
fantastic and boy, what a survivor's story that is.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Throughout his career, Father Bob has provided spiritual guidance and
performed exorcisms, delving into the mysteries of the supernatural realm.
Now his expertise and experience in dealing with the paranorma
have made him a respectful figure within the field. And additionally,
Father Bob is currently traveling with Annabelle Yep, you all
know the Annabelle Doll, the infamous haunted doll from the
(08:46):
Warrens Museum and obviously further adding to his fascinating background
in the world of the supernatural. There's a lot of
people who are spreading a lot of misinformation about this Annabelle,
the Annabelle Doll, and I'm just thinking, Okay, you know
what we're gonna We're gonna get Father Bob on and
we're going to get down to this because I don't
(09:06):
like some of the things that are being said, and
I think Father Bob will set the record straight and
I appreciate that. So let's let's get Bob. Hello there, Bob,
how are you? And welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Great to be here, Bishop James.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I am so glad. Oh no, no, let's keep please,
let's keep this informal. I am so you know, truly, honestly,
what an honor is a chat with you. And I'm
so glad that we were able to connect after all
these years. I can't believe we have. We never connected.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I know, it's amazing, it's amazing. But God's timing is
you know time.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Amen, amen. So first of all, let's let's before we
get into Annabelle and all that other stuff. How are
you doing? Because you're retired and you're you're young, You're
still a young chicken in your twenties, So what's going on?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I wish I love you well? Appened? Was I contracted?
I have neuropathy on my feet and in my hands.
I can walk pretty well, you know, but putting my
feet on the accelerator or there, it goes numb. So
(10:18):
I haven't I'm not able to drive anymore. And my
eyesight is pretty good, but sometimes it's you know, it's challenged.
So the suggestion was that I retire from active ministry,
you know, in the parish early. So I reluctantly took it.
It was very hard for me. But now it seems
(10:43):
that I can devote more time to the paranormal, which
is a great thing. And so now for the I'm
actually enjoying the benefits of retirement for that matter.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, and for those of you on TikTok, we have
now sub chat on imagine that, so now you know
it's interesting. So your neuropathy, so this is not multiple,
it's not us. It's just uh, there's.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
No no, it's just yeah, neuropathy. It just it's weird
because like I lost control of the car a couple
of times, not being able to feel the well, by
by God's grace, I never hit anything or I hit anybody,
but but it just went numb and I couldn't feel
I was trying to press on the break and so
(11:29):
I after the third time, because I didn't know what
was going on, I just stopped. It was July fourth weekend,
July four. You're not this joy for but a number
of years, and so it was. It's the worst thing.
I shouldn't say, but it's one of the worst feelings
is to lose your independence when you don't drive. That was.
(11:52):
It still is tough and frustrating. But I have a
lot of friends, thanks to be to God, you know,
you know, and there's a lot of help me.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
There's a lot of people out there that's, you know,
probably experiencing what you're experiencing. How did you? How are you?
How are you able to get through the fact that
you know of the driving situation? Are there any type
of words of encouragement that you can offer folks who
might be going the same thing that you've gone through?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, because I wondered, do I'd like you to have
a purpose in life anymore? You know? And the thing
is yes, you just have to repurpose your life and
restructure your life and find the best now. You know, like,
I'm very fortunate. I have friends who take relative doctors
and stuff like if I need to go to some places.
(12:35):
But if not, the world of uber, you know, is
amazing and it is a lot cheaper than a taxi.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Hey, you know what I'm telling you. Uber is great,
I have Yeah, I say it is. And it saves
your tremendous amount of money on insurance and car repairs
and all that. Well, let's let's let's talk a little
bit top. We're going to talk about Annabelle in just
the second, folks, I promise you we're going to get there.
Because everybody got this is the this is you know,
(13:05):
he's not a Jewish priest, he's a Roman, He's a
retired Roman Catholic priest. And so what drew you to
the challenging field of demonic cases and the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, when I was younger, I was my mother had
a cousin who was a priest, an Italian priest, and
he would come next door to my grandparents every week
and have supper with them, and then you go out
and smoke a cigar. And I began to meet with him.
It used to be our time and we would talk
for a couple of hours. So we discussed things, and
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he taught me like solid stuff, not just Mamby Gamby butterfly,
you know, all that kind of theology, but like serious
ones and mentioning evil, the devil, saints, miracles and all
of that. So I got a sense of the supernatural
fum when I was a child, and I believed in apparitions,
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miracles and all of that, but I also believed in
the great conflict between good and evil. I remember going
to see the Omen when I was in junior high
school and I looked at it and I said, I
see my life in that. I see my life in that.
I'm going to be confronting evil and so, and it
was very unusual most priests, probably, I'm sure I don't
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don't think of that. But one of the reasons and
goals of my priests was to rescue people from that
realm of Satan's influence, you know, whether it just be
in lifestyle and you know, away from him, or or
you know, doing evil. So and then I always had
an interest in that, the good versus evil, And so
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when I became a priest, I was able to I
don't know if you're familiar with with Keith Johnson. Yeah,
So I found about them, and I went to see
a show and they had a weekly show, and I
became friends with them, and I was able to like
have coffee with them after and to a paranormal So
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none of my friends were into that, none of them,
so it was latent, uh. And he called me and
asked me if I would help him on a case.
I did, and I felt good about helping out like that,
and I said, yeah, this is kind of what I
want to do. And then paranormal State. You know, I
(15:30):
had a friendship at Ryan and I went to my
bishop at the time and asked him and I'm contrary
to I don't know if somebody wrote it wrong. But
I don't do exorcisms. I do delivery I do deliverances
and what they would call exorcism over you know, the
miner right over property. Yeah, so he he said, yes,
(15:54):
I gave him a book on that was written on
demonology and exorcism, and he gave me a few caveats.
But other than that, you know, it was fine. And
I never got called in about being on Paranormal State,
you know how it is, and you were in the seminary.
It's like, don't as easy to ask pardon and permission?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So so you weren't. You weren't called on the carpet,
so to speak on that that it was kind of
like a blessing that was given to you. As far
as paranormal state.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
H yeah, I mean I didn't. That was before I
even went on Paranormal State, I believe, or right in
the beginning, so I didn't mention much about it. But
a friend of mine, who was the secretary of the
bishop at the time, asked him. He said, what do
you think about him being on the show and all that?
(16:46):
And the ship goes well. Some people, some priests like
to play golf when on their day off, and some
people like to chase ghosts.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
See now that's a type of that's a very cool bishop.
That's that is Yeah, some dioceses where bishops would have
said absolutely under no circle.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know what he actually thought
of it, like we never had an exorcist a diocese
per se. Like he says, I do know who I
can call upon when needed. So I said, okay, that's
that's fair. You know, that's very cool.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Can you when you were on Paranormal State, which was
an absolute I mean it was a very popular.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Show, can you share it was?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Can you share a particularly a memorable or intense experience
that you had when you were on Paranormal State?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, you know, I think what the intense moments would
be that we were there, you know, I mean they
would sometimes be there for a couple of weeks or
a week or whatever. It's hot to viear that when
you see you know, like a fifty minute forty five
minute show, you know, but knowing that this was a
(17:58):
one shot deal and I was blown down there to
do this, and I was in the pressure for me
or the stress was can I do it in one shot?
Because we know that that doesn't always happen. So yeah,
and I felt that. But there was one instance of
a guy who was overcome. I was doing a deliverance
(18:18):
over and I think that was on one of the episodes.
I don't remember the name, but I started using Latin
and he was not happy and told me to stop
using that language. And I said, no.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Did you know what you were saying?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I don't know if he knew or not, because you know,
I was alone and Ryan was not comfortable with me
being alone with him. I said, well, no, just go
with the elt spress. I'll call you if there's help.
Don't worry. So he was helped. At the end, he
was delivered. It wasn't a full blown exorcism. I wouldn't
believe he was possessed, but press and overcome by an
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evil spirit. Uh. That was that was pretty formidable for me.
I mean, actually dealing with someone who had that before
it was over places.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You know, now, as far as the locations that you've
been to, has there ever been in a location where
you know you were there you were in investigating or
performing the minor right? Was there ever a place that
really that the hair stood on the back of your
head and you're like Okay, this is you know, this
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is pretty serious.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
There was an episode, and I remember the name of
this one was called Church of the Damned. It was
an old Protestant church and people were living in there
saying that something was happening. What I will say is
stood on my hands. I had stood because of a
good in a good way, because when we were trying
to li you know, the place of the demon chip
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coffee at the time, said the prayer to Saint Michael,
and he said, so what do you think about that?
And all of a sudden you could see the heat
index just spike. As soon as he said, amen, what
do you think about that? It's spiked? And I went,
holy crash. And even the text were going like this
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doesn't happen like that. And I said, you guys, realize
what you have. You have documented proof of the intercession
or intervention of the archangel And that to me was
was big. I don't know if everybody took it as
much as I did, but it was a It was
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a thrilling thing to see Michael's intervention.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Now, Tammy Tammy Joy there on TikTok is asking have
you ever experienced total fear in any case? That you've
ever worked.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Honestly, no, no, I don't know why. And I'm not
going to say that that it won't ever happen in
the future. But no, you know, I feel myself grounded.
And you know, the bishop asked me that. I said,
aren't you afraid? And I said, no, Bishop, I'm not.
Real people scare me. Demons I can put them in
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their place by the power of Christ, but real people
scare me more so right now I have to say no,
like I feel the groundness of my faith. You know,
I'm not saying that I would go in there and
go you know, and it's uh, you know, I respect
enough you know that that that evil is real, But
(21:41):
no I have I haven't yet. I will just say yet.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's interesting about me. It's interesting you say that because
I say that off on TikTok when I do or
the shows, and I always say, you know, demonology is
one thing. What really truly frightens me is how people
can be so cruel to other people and then are
able to put their head on the pillow not giving
a second thought. I mean that to me, that's that's
frightening to me. I don't understand how anybody could be
(22:07):
like that. Yeah, so what what insights have you personally
gained about the nature of evil and the existence of
demons throughout your career.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Well, that is very clever, and that every case is different.
Every dealing with a demon is different. Some are easier,
some are not. And also that you're going to be
very careful to sometimes they will hide. This is a
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big thing. There's a case right now where everything seems
hunky dor and everything is fine. I'm going, yeah, they're
lulling you because they don't want us to come out.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
So and you know, now there's a lot of people,
of course we know we your wards and people they
swear and then they call me all kinds of names
and say, oh, you're spreading this information blah blah blah
about wigia boards. Okay, yeah, So for those of you
who are Roman Catholic, now this is a Roman Catholic priest,
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how do you feel about wigia boards.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I believe legia boods are very dangerous because it's a
form of conjuring. Conjuring is forbidden by the scripture. Now,
people saying, well, will you go into a whole Yeah, yeah,
that's different when we go in for an investigation. We're
trying to find out if there's something already there. And yes,
we do try to communicate in the name of the
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Lord to find chansers. But when you're using the Luigia Bood,
you're opening the same thing with sance. You're opening yourself
to other realms coming in that may not be human,
and they love to mask as children and all of
that you could be opening. And in cases they have
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open doors for the demonic to come in, and then
it's tougher to try and enclose those portals to know
where they are exactly. So, yeah, it is forbidden because
we're conjuring. Conjuring is very dangerous. You know when we
were younger, you know the Luigi Boys came out in
the sixties and seventies. Yeah, we played with them as
(24:26):
in a childlike way. You can't do that anymore because
there's so much activity out now and so much that's
been unleashed already on our plane on the Earth that
it can be very dangerous. So it's better off not
to do it. You don't want to take that chance.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Amen, I mean, and I don't know why people do it.
And then and then they always say to me, well,
now wait a minute. You know, I've been playing with
Wiji boards for fifteen years and nothing has ever happened.
And then I always say to them yet, and that's
the problem, because what happens. You know, you keep playing
with it, keep playing with it, keep playing with it,
and then something happens five years from now, and so
(25:08):
it's I just don't I don't understand. And now, of
course now they have Luigia boards for kids. I mean
they have the blue and they have the pink.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's just it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And oh did you hear about now they have the
Holy Spirit board. Have you heard about that? No, yes, sir,
it's called it actually it's called the Holy I'll send
you a text. It's called the Holy the Holy Spirit board,
and it has it has the magical cross for the planchet,
and you know they have Jesus and you owe magical Jesus.
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That's that prayer that you pray, and it is I'll
send you some pictures of it. You're you're going to
be shocked. But that's what they have this out now,
the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit board.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Talk about dematic truly know it's and I know the
people there who say that spirit boards are ancient, and
they supposedly the practitioners of whatever and say they know
how to use it, you know, safely and all that whatever.
(26:11):
I don't know. What I'm going to tell you is
ninety nine percent of the people are not them, So
for them, it is dangerous. And so that's why I
say no to lead you boards. Okay, So it's not
part of our tradition. It's like, we don't believe in
the pre eminence of the soul, you know, we don't
you know, we don't believe in conjuring, you know. So
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it's just a faith.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So how do you prepare yourself mentally and even spiritually
before you know, engaging in a case involving the supernatural?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Well, I try to make for the most almost all
every day, I make an Eucharistic Holi hour, and I
ground myself in prayer for protection every day. But before that,
if I'm going to a case whatever, I do two things. One,
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I you know, I do more prayer, more protection. And
then the Holy Sword Apostolate has a group of prayer warriors.
So I would contact the prayer warriors and say I'm
going to an investigation, and they say, please cover us
in prayer. Those two things I do and always conscious
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of you know that it's it's Jesus that protects us.
It's not me, you know, like myself, I if I
encountered the supernatural, you know, the demonic anyways that you know,
I'm no match. But with him, I am because of him.
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So I so that I leave ego at the door,
you know, No.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I understand that. And there's a lot of people who
are skeptical and these you know, there's no such thing
as demons, there's no such thing as possession. There's a
lot of people who will say this, yeah, yeah, And
how would you respond from the Roman Catholic clergy's perspective.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Well, I mean there was a time even in the church,
I mean in the sixties and seventies, and you know,
and I know I'm living with some of these guys
who were taught that out. There's no personified evil. It's
a part of view and all this and psychology, and yeah,
there are site there are psychological issues and things that
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are prevalent that might look like demonic possession. That's why,
as in our Catholic tradition, we don't or before an
exorcism can be done we have to have a medical
examination of the person and a psychological and with that
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we formulate, Okay, is there something that that it's there
that's a psychosis or whatever, because if you try and
help that, you know, with an ectcism, you're not going
to help the person. So we try to be holistic
about it. And I think that's the best way to
do it. Granted that could that could be both happening
(29:15):
at the same time, but you have to deal with both.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Sure, Yeah, because so we.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Don't just assume, okay, because that person is actly like that,
they're demon possessed, well not always, not always.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
We're not fundamentalists, right, And that's the dangerous with that,
because you know, there's a lot of people running around
performing exorcism with people without psychological evaluations. And if someone else,
if they have the ide this is socially of identity disorder,
you can create another identity. I mean, this is dangerous
stuff that I've seeing so many Yeah, you're right, fundamentalists.
I mean they're you know, they're they're they're doing these
(29:47):
deliverances on all these people. There's absolutely you could be
feeding into psychosis and it's really dangerous.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, well you're not helping the person, You're making it worse.
And that's why you need you know, we're less, you
know in psychological advances. I mean the downpod of site
of the psychology thing is that they sometimes there's so
much that they don't they're not willing to admit, you know,
the spiritual side. But when you have good psychologists who
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are open to both, then they're a tremendous asset. And
that's what our network is trying to build. You know,
it's you know, people who who are the background in
psychology but also are open to the spiritual.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, talk to us about that. Does the network that
you're trying that you're trying to build. Explain what the
network is about?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Okay, it's it's now. I'm working with Father Can Father Cantories,
who's an Orthodox, yes, Orthodox priests on the West coast. Uh.
And it's it's interesting because it's really starting to flower
and blossom the Holy Sword the populate. So we're trying
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to build a network of just resources you know, of
clergy and people in medical which we haven't gotten yet
on there, but people with psychology and you mentioned Ryan View.
Ryan is going into psychology. Wonderful to be a counselor.
I mean, he really is. I agree with what you
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were saying about Ryan, and I love him. I was
just with him on the Troy d Annabel and another
guy that I'm talking with who's a psychologist, and so
we're trying to get those on hand and then also assessors,
those who are good at just going in and asking
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the right questions of the clients. So with all of
that together to form to help form a well rounded
assessment of the cases to help the person in the
best way that we can. And again, you know, investigations
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should be the last thing, hopefully that you have to do.
That we can help in other ways, you know, so well,
I think it's it's it's slow growing, but it's it's beginning.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I have a feeling it's going to I think you're
it's going to explode pretty quickly because the need is
so huge.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It is still huge, it is.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And for those of you just tuning in, where talking
to our friend father Bob Bailey. He's a retired Roman
Catholic priests, still very active in the paranormal and helping
the paranormal community, and he's traveling with the Annabel Doll
which we'll talk in just a second, and so we're
I think it's a fantastic that you're, you know, reaching
out to other people. And one thing also don't understand,
(32:44):
and I would like for you to shed light on
your perspective. You know, I have friends from all walks
of life, from all denominations, and I don't understand this
denomination elitism. I don't understand it. It makes no sense.
What's should what really should? I think even Paul talked
about what united to the fact that we've accepted cristis
(33:06):
our Lord and savior and so, but we have this
denominational elitism. Well, for example, that person is Baptist, so
I can't work with that person, or that person is
episcopage or Lutheran or whatever. But I don't understand that.
I don't understand that. So is anybody? So is anybody
allowed to be in the organization that you are creating?
Or do you have to be a certain faith? How
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does that work?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Uh? You mean in the network? Oh? Or to help
to help somebody? Oh? Yeah, No, we don't. We don't.
We don't require anything. I don't require anything. We don't
require anything. If the person has to help, we help them.
If they have a faith tradition that they were brought
up with. Then we asked them go back and practice.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
No, no, if they want, if they want to volunteer to
your organization. So if they want to say, hey, you know,
father Bob, I would like to help you guys, uh
with your organization.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, well, first of all, we'd have to, you know,
just find the background. We should that they're you know,
bonafide and all of that. But no, no, we would
work with any any denomination as long as they you know,
as long as they are bona fide and that they
believe in in the supernatural, you know. And and but
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again have a balance, have a balanced theology of demonology too,
you know. But no, we don't. We don't know, there's
there's no prejudice. And you know, I also work with
a group, it's a metaphysical group wal Druna uh and uh.
And there may be some instances where, you know, I
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need to consult with stuff within the metaphysical because I
don't understand it. Uh. You know. Again, it doesn't mean
I I embrace that side of it. I don't, but
I respect and so I have a great repons I
have a great lepois with the metaphysical community because I
don't judge them. You know, it's we believe in the
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same goals and that's what's important.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's right, you know. And I've been on record on
this and I get flat from it, but I really
don't care. I have friends that I absolutely love, and
I am convinced without question that these people who are psychics,
who are mediums, I am absolutely convinced that there are
people who truly absolutely have a gift. I don't have it.
(35:32):
I'm not a psychic, I'm not a medium, but there's
no doubt in my mind that there are people that
have these gifts. So I would like to know your thoughts. Again,
I think that there are people that do have this gift.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
And yeah, and I will hardily agree. I've run into
the things that I can't that I can't explain, and again,
I think they're gifts from God. There are terms I
you know, I have a problem if they're profiting off
of a gift like that. But you know, and and again,
there's a lot out there who really don't have the gift.
(36:05):
There's plenty out there, you know, everybody's a medium now,
but there are true but you know, whatever we call
it is a semantic thing. We have gifts of the
Holy Spirit, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, and that's what I would
call And Mulaine had that, and she was a devout Catholic, Yes,
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Loraine Warren. So yeah, there are people and I've run
into them and I've also worked with them and asked
for their help because I believe that those people possess,
you know, a gift from God and they acknowledge that
which is which is important to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
And have you ever doubted your faith or encountered moments
of spiritual crisis during an account with the supernatural?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
No, not it's a supernatural. But in my walk, in
my faith walk, Yeah, even in my priesthood. Yeah, there
was some dark times when I you know, I called
into some things. It's a question, but you know, I'm
going to tell you what saved me is the blessed
Virgin Mary and my devotion to her, which is unwailing
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and very very strong. She took me through my darkest
hours and kept me for her son. And before people
say putting her before, no, no, no, Jesus is the
one intersess that Jesus is the savior. But he gave
me the gift of his mother. And I'm not going
to say no to a gift.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure, I tell you this.
I'm pretty sure that when you see Jesus face the face,
he's not going to be too angry that you venerated
and honored and loved his mom.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
This is what I say, holding a stake. You can
never love Mary more than Jesus did. That's right, never, never.
So and again, she's extremely powerful in the in the supernatural,
demons hate the Virgin Mary because she was a human
being who said yes, who answered God's call and God
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exalted her. You know, we believe she's the queen of Heaven,
you know, and you know and beyond her. And they
can't stand that because she's a human being. And so,
I mean, she's one to have in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Amen, now. And I every time I will always get
the most violent even online when we're praying night prayer.
The amount of violent responses as soon as I start
praying the Rosary, it is just it's like goodness crazy,
It's like people relaxed. Now, let me let me ask
you this. There are right now, there are a lot
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of people collecting alleged haunted items there. It is now
become a real hot issue. So talk to us about that,
because from your experience, your reaction.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, okay, and I probably didn't catch a lot of flatness,
but you know, speak the truth. You know, like in
the paranormal communities, you know groups, you know, everybody, you know,
every group had to have a psychic, Every group had
to have a medium, every group has to have a season.
It was like it's like monkey see Monkey do. And
then everyone had to have a clergyman. Even if you
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went to the you know, Universal Life Church, you got yourself,
you know, one of those, one of those kind of
crazy ones. So but now the latest thing is you
have to have a haunted object or a haunted doll.
And it's all because of the NFL thing. It's monkey
see Monkey do? Do I believe that there are objects
(39:44):
that are yeah, I do, but all of these give
me a break? And how you can't you know, people
are buying them? Oh yeah, okay, right, you know, come on,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Here's what I tell people. You don't know what you're buying.
You have no idea, you don't know the history of
this thing, you don't know anything about what The people
are just just buying these things left and right, and
while nothing may happen, you still don't know, and it's
just dangerous. It's like, why would you.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Exactly? People? People are into fun, not into the consequences,
the thrill and the fun of it. Now, a dear
friend of mine bought a rocking horse from a antiques store.
She had it, and all these weird things started to happen,
and my friend, who does have psychic abilities, you know,
(40:33):
just seria, it's something connected with that rocking horse. So
I did, I went in, did the deliverance of the
house and all of that, and so finally she said,
I need to get rid of it, even though I
love it, and so she gave it to Johnny's office,
you know, for his museum. I got it out, he
came right away to grab it and since and then
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she had no more problems.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So like being the I absolutely have friends that are
gifted psychic mediums. You do, How then, from from a
Roman Catholics perspective, how then would you in fact discuss
Leviticus twenty and about consulting mediums and things of this nature,
how would you how would you explain this from a
Roman Catholic perspective.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
It's it's difficult. But again, I think it's a semantic
whatever the word medium, you know, Like I don't believe
in fortune tellers. And because God is not a puppeteer,
he doesn't play gay. He's not gonna give people, you know,
to you know, to tell your future, because God gives
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us free will, and it's an as no kind of thing.
Accept the rare occurrences that might happen, you know, like
like a lady of Fatima said, you know, she predicted
the miracle in beforehand, but uh, you know, but I
believe that with mediums, you just I think the thing
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is the conjuring part and in the belief in you know,
trying to try to let that be your faith instead
of believing, you know. And so I don't like using
the words mediums or psychics because I think it's a
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semantic thing. Gifted, like you said, is the best word,
because I believe that these people who say they have
gifts of mediumship because they don't know what else to
call it, you know, so everybody dumps everything in it. Really,
I believe our gifts from the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Perhaps the spiritualistic, maybe don't.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, and there are you know. And I'm
going to be honest with you. Since I've been doing
this work now more I have a sense, you know,
it's the ability to grow not a medium. And I
was like it at all, but I can go in
and almost since absolutely yep. But that's from the Holy Spirit,
I believe. So. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Now deb is asking there on on another social media platform.
She's asking about the I Am Six, the Paranormal State episode.
It's been a long time, so I I can you
talk a little bit about that and did it affect you?
I were you? I don't. I'm sorry, I don't even
know if you were on the episode. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
I was. Well, Okay, there was two aim pop b
there's the I Am six and that was father called
her father and ye into the Goddess is so and
uh then after he had passed or he was sick
or whatever, and then they had called me for the
return of the six. Okay, yes, and I worked on
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that with MARAE. Warren and uh yeah, there was there again.
That's a great example full of two things being placed
at the same time. They are spiritual and the psychological. Yes,
the girl definitely had some kind of spiritual issue of evil,
(44:14):
but she also had some emotional things that she had
to deal with too, and if you didn't, if you
don't deal with both of them, you're not going to
be healthy. So hopefully you know she you know, I
have most contact, you know, after the show. You know,
I'm not sure I'd have to ask Ran about it,
but I do know we helped her with with the
(44:38):
paranormal part of it. But but then, you know, she
had to help because you know, she was not helping
the public. You know, it helped. It made her stay
home and not want to go. They're not even going
to church and all this, and we said, if she
ain't got to do this, so you know, all we
can do is give advice. Was it scary again? You know?
(45:01):
I mean I don't that's the emotion I don't have
with this. But it was formidable. I will say that
it was formidable. And part of it was because there
was two aspects to that case.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Okay, and have you been to the Warrens Museum and
what inspired you to travel with Annabelle the Doll? So
let's get into that.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Okay, Yes, I'd been a number of times to the
to the museum. The last time before the you know,
this time with the animal was when Sam and Kobe there.
I was just tapping that night to be doing a
podcast for Nests and so they were there, and so
(45:49):
they said, would you mind blessing them before they went
into the museum. I said, yeah, sure, I'll pray for protection.
So I did so I ended up hanging out there
all night while they were doing it out side, being
kind of a spiritual bodygud. And what's odd about that
one was, you know, I blessed them. They came out
a couple of times for blessings because it was getting
(46:13):
intense in there with the spirit box. Unknown to them.
After they came out the second time, I went and
I took my rosary outside and began praying the rosary
for them. When they finally came out, they said, you know,
the spirit box called your name three times, Bob, Bob
and then Father Bob. I said, okay, yeah, all right, then,
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yeah they know I'm here. It doesn't scare me, you know,
but yeah, what inspired me too is just my friendship
with Nespers. You know, I've been friends with them and Tony.
You know, Tony knew I thought the world of Lorraine
and Lorraine thrown a lot of me too, so I've
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been connected with them. But when I heard about this
tour and Annabelle dan Rivera who's part of the lead,
asked this, if you want to go on this tour,
and I said, you know, why not? I'm you surely
couldn't even ask me. I said, yeah, it's a question.
I said, yeah, cross country tour. Yeah. So my role
(47:19):
was like spiritually protecting and when I went wherever they were,
if people wanted blessings, once they saw her, they could
come over for blessings, and a lot of people did sure,
or some people came over with some issues that they
needed to talk about. So definitely it was worthwhile for
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me to go. And it gave the spiritual aspect, you know,
it added to why Annabelle, you know, why the tour
you know was taking place.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
So let me ask you this before we get to
the annabel Okay again, because I get a lot of
flak from this, but oh yeah, I defend paranormal investigators
because they've helped me through the years. Because we you know,
we don't have a private plane, so if a plate,
you know, if if a family is begging clergy to
help them, and they're in California. We have to reach
out to a team to investigate the determined if we
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have to raise money to get to this family's home.
So can you please set this straight to many people
because I get a lot of hate. Is paranormal investigating
for for example, assisting clergy, assisting families who might be
dealing with something. Is it the work of the devil?
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Absolutely not, unless you're doing something right evil like I again,
some some groups use biga boards and other givenation kind
of like that, and you know then then that's wrong.
It's just misuse of whatever. But no, it's not evil
at all. It's it's you know, the sales next him
(49:00):
and say, well, it depends on how you look at that.
You know when you're going in to help and find out.
Even Jesus in the Gospels, there are several places in
the Gospel where they were the disciples were frightened because
they thought he was a ghost. He says, no, that's it,
and he said, notice that the ghost does not have
flesh and blood as I do. He never said there's
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no such thing. Again in another section. Great, there's only
a few sections, but our Lord never never, never passed
up a moment for a teachable moment, and that would
have been a teachable moment to say there are no
such things as ghosts or spirits.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I'm so glad I say I say that so many
times I get flacked from this. When he was walking
on water, they thought he was seeing a ghost. When
he was resurrected, they thought that's why he said to
give me something to eat. Ghosts don't have fleshes buns.
You see that I have so if in your and
that yes, finally, okay, So folks, can we please put
that to rest because everybody there are and I also
(50:00):
want to ask you this, can we set the record
straight from a Roman Catholic perspective perspective? Is everything demonic
or or are there truly things as a ghost?
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yes? Okay? This is this again was out of you
know again years a fact, but we believe in and
I think most but Catholic traditions would have would hold
to uh the Communion of Saints. Yes, that there's a
relationship between us on earth, the tradition militant, those who
(50:42):
are in heaven, the church triumphant. And then there's those
on the way we told them the purgatorial soul, which
I believe in, and those are the ones that are
around their way. Many of them, you know, uh ask
for help or many of them are working out that
that purification. And I think that's a lot of the
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spirits that we see in fact, every mass. I asked
Satan Michael to bring souls to the Mass that are
ready to be released, so that the so that the
graces of the Mass will bring them to heaven. Other
words and other things. I also believe in free will,
so that if a spirit doesn't want to cross over
(51:26):
for whatever reason at the power of death, does God
honest free do you take free will into the into
the next world in in into you know, the you
know life with God. I would answer yes, because the
angels still have theirs. So it's an anomaly. But in
(51:48):
my experience, I don't think there's anything against our teaching
to say that, you know, the Norman is you're going
to heaven Hell a preparatory. But whatever preparatory is, but
whatever has happened, you know, it could be an unprovided death,
that could be a violent death or whatever extreme fear
that God allows them their free will. So I believe
(52:12):
there are spirits out there, and it's it's you know,
And there's been other works from priests and whatnot. So
everything is not the devil, you know. And and spirits
who have died are no longer they no longer have
(52:33):
space and time, so they could be with God and
still here on earth watching over us like our loved ones.
It's not that they haven't crossed over, it's that God
allows them, just like our Godian angels are with us
all the time, but they're also all the time before
the throne of God.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
I love this conversation because you are echoing things that
I have said that I get a lot of hate
from people and folks. If ghosts didn't if ghosts did
not exist, Jesus would have told them, don't be silly.
Ghosts don't exist. That's not what he said. So not
everything is a demon demon demon, It just simply is not.
So I am really glad here. So now what about
all these people who are saying that, Well, now, wait
(53:15):
a minute, there's a lot of unusual occurrences are going
on with this Annabelle and traveling with Annabelle, with you know,
the plantation catching fire and all this other stuff. What's
your thought, what's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (53:26):
That's nonsense, that's nonsense. I mean Annabelle again, Like people
were asking me, an't you afraid because she's in a
vain behind I said, no, I don't even think about it.
You know. The thing is she's been bound, and we
renew the binding prayers with her. Now she doesn't. I'm
(53:46):
not afraid. I don't mock her. There is something to
it formidable, so I respect that part of it. I
will never make fun of a pressed object because then
you know you're to get stuff up and retaliation. But
I'm also not afraid in that. So I tell people,
(54:07):
I said, you'll fine, I said, if you stop mocking
it or criticizing or insulting it. I said, well, bets
are off. So the reason why, the reason why they
chose to bring it is because the museum is closed
because of zoning. So bringing something like that attracts people
(54:29):
so that we can tell them that, yes, good and
evil exists. That's the reason they're bringing it, and they're
marketing it in a way that it is causing people
to come. And let me tell you, Guttysburg has already
sold out and it's a phenomenon, Ryan, you will put
(54:51):
it on TikTok this first time on TikTok, and it
went viral like we never even knew it. But as
far as the other stuff, No, the only thing I'm
gonna say is there this voodoo lady that came by
in New Orleans. She was doing all this incantation and
she was saying, go to Halle and the bell, go
back when you belong, and I'm going like you know,
(55:13):
and I and I got a little upset when her
told her to take her pagan stuff and leave because
she in the name of voodoo. Well Marie Leveaux, who
was the queen of the Voodoo Queen of New Orleans.
Her house stick kept on fire. Now that's the only
thing I'll say. It was an electrical fire. But still hmm.
She told she was this voodoo lady was taunting her,
(55:38):
so that might have been the other stuff. Is coincidence?
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Have you had any unsettling experience so far while traveling
with Annabelle?
Speaker 3 (55:46):
Nope? None?
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Okay, And can we set the record straight for the
million time? Is annabel missing? Is annabel missing?
Speaker 3 (55:53):
Oh? No? I was there when we brought her back
to the museum. I was there, so this is not here.
Say this is first can information, you know, and and
and of Chicago of all places. Yeah, we're going to Chicago,
but not yet. I don't know where that even came from.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
And has she been taken Some people.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Are saying that it, uh, it's a fake dial, that
the original one is. That's nonsense. I don't believe me.
I've been to every every corner of the warrant's house
and the museum.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
So yeah, this is Grace is that? Yep? It is
the real Annabelle. So now, has she ever been taken
out of her of the case during any of the touring?
Speaker 3 (56:44):
No? Okay, never the only time.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
No.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
Well, I will say this, it's not done when anybody's around.
If she's like slouched down, then they have to prop
her up. Yes, one of the guys and they have
special uh gloves with the exercise metals in each satement
and they were blessed and the gloves were blessed, so
they would put those gloves on and they would, you know,
(57:12):
just kind of fix her up there before everybody came in,
but never taken out. No, and not to show people. No,
And yeah, and they say this is the other rumor,
Oh the rain and Ed said that it should never
be taken out. Well, that's not true. I don't know
where that came from, because they took it out. They
(57:35):
used to have when the museum had to be closed.
They would have nights with Annabelle and they would take
Annabelle out and they have taken it Lyon first time
Heath saw the Annabelle was out of college. That they
brought because it's a teachable tool to teach people. That's
the reason. The ultimate goal is to teach them both
(57:56):
the reality of evil. And for some reason this stuff
attracts them. You know, I wish miracles would attract people.
But I'm in the process now of making up groceres
that I'm going to bring next time that talk about
different one of the different hauntings. What there different demonic
(58:17):
influences and have them on hand to give to people.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
So is there anything special about the case as far
as are there any metals, blessed metals?
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Yes, Oh that's a great question. Yes, my friend Dan
Rivera uh made that case, uh when it was going
to travel, and it was use holy oil, oil and
holy water was used in the staining of it. In
the back. There's like a covering behind it, the backdrop,
(58:50):
but behind that is the words of the Lord's prayer.
Etch do it? Three crosses symbolizing the Holy Trinity, and
they're there are two plaques of Saint Michael the archt
bless of Saint Michael the Archangel on either side. Yes,
there is that that famous Chao cod of the devil.
(59:11):
And people say why, it's because it's making a point
that this thing is evil. You know that that there
is an evil presence and evil is real.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
So has there ever been an investigation where the the
demonic has given its name or any type of indication
there at all through.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
Ev P not? Not to my knowledge, has there been
a name of the doll. If there was, they're not saying,
but you know, I don't believe there is. There was
an age what what what happened? Was there some psychic
who was not obviously accurate told those two nurses that
(59:55):
it was the spirit of a girl named Marabel when
there wasn't you know, something?
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Certainly something? And then as far as if you have
an item, and let's say someone purchased an idelman and
they brought it home and they claim activity is occurring
they don't want it in their home, and they say, okay,
father Bob, can you please take this or bless it
or what is your process for that?
Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Well, what I would do is I would talk to somebody,
either to the Warrens Museum or to or to Johnny's office.
I'm sure there's others, but those are the two I
would probably, you know, go to first and see if
they would take it away. They know how to handle it.
I would definitely have them, you know, get it out
(01:00:44):
of the house as much as they could, but give
it to a place where again, it can't it can't go.
Don't burn it because then you unleash it to go
somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And that's the thing with you and I, we've never
actually had the conversation. I have a storage facility of
items that I have taken through the years of people's
homes because they collect, they collect these things, these things,
and violent and crazy activity occurs in their home. So I,
for I have a storage facility and people still collect
these items over and over and over, and it just
(01:01:20):
doesn't I just don't don't understand. So what is the
what's the long term goal? As far as the traveling
with Annabelle. You know, where's where are we going next?
How's that work?
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Okay? Right now they're going to UH in July. Next
month they will be going to get this brog which
it's already sold out. I will be in Fatima, Pleotugal
during that week. Just happens to be that. It's a
pilgrimage I planned two years ago. But then in September
(01:01:52):
they're going to Maine, I believe it is. I'll be
going with them, God willing. Uh. And then in October
they will be going to two places. They'll be going
to Rock Island, Illinois and UH Lexington Lexington, Kentucky. Yeah. Uh.
(01:02:12):
And then that's all for now. What's going to happen
in the future. They're not one hundred percent sure. You know,
they would like eventually to have a permanent place for
the museum. Right now it's in the neighborhood and it's
just not and they can't do that. So I think
that's a goal. But from right now, the tool was
(01:02:33):
just something to be able to bring awareness with that,
and it was a trial, I guess, and on a
big scale. I mean they've had nicely Antebell and all
that before or War analogy as they call it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
But that hasn't contacted him and said, hey, I'll offer
some money for it put in his museum.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Oh, I'm sure he has, you know, don't even go
there with that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I'm sure. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
No. I think he was thrown out because he was
told not to touch the thing. They tried to Really,
I didn't hear this. It was not respectful. Yes, that's
what they told me.
Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, that's not see that is not that is that
is so? Now why from your perspective as clergy, I
can because you are the guests, So why do you
not destroy them? Why do you not burn the objects?
Why don't Why don't you do it?
Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Okay, because the well burning, if you do anything like that,
you will then the spirit is released and it can
go anywhere else. And I think edm Lorraine's or especially
his thing is it's safer being contained and bound than
(01:03:48):
the chance of it going somewhere else. And it's a
teachable moment. I couldn't send it to help maybe and
an exorcism. I don't know if you can do an
exorcist them over a doll like I don't know if
that exists. It could, but you know, certainly you can
do binding, but you know, I think they chose to
(01:04:11):
do that as as a teachable moment too. You know
that that would be my The funny thing is I
was going to ask them next time it's with them
if I'm right on that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
You know, Well, it's interesting because I had Lorraine. The
reason I asked. I had Loraine on the show a
couple of times here when not this was when I
was on pair of X Radio, and I've asked her.
I'd answer her the same question, and she her answer
was the binding. They just did not want to release
it and instead to have it bound to the objects
so they wouldn't hurt anybody else. And so exactly what
(01:04:44):
you said is one Lorraine said. So you're you're right on,
You're you're absolutely you're right on, And you guys can
go as far as the you guys can google. Do
you know the true attachment story? Because there's a lot
of debate on Annabelle because I we're, we're, we're a
little later than an hour. I don't know, Bob, don't
want to stay all night, but I could talk to
(01:05:06):
you all night. But do you know the story that
the true attachment story Grace is asking.
Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
I don't know, gosh the details though, I'm terrible because
there's so many different There's there's debate as.
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Far as the attachment and a nurse somehow, you know,
brought it home and then she says there was some
activity or something of this nature, and so you guys
can google. There's a lot of debate on that. But
I know when I talked to Lorraine, she didn't like her.
She didn't like being around Annabel. And she even said
that when I asked her, and she said, no, it
makes me very uncomfortable. I don't even like oh, yeah,
(01:05:46):
the museum. Yeah, she didn't like her.
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
No, no, no, that's that's accurate.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Now your your parentormal user name, I'm the paran almost
TikTok user name is paranormal do Padre.
Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
So yeah, I don't know why the dot, but maybe
because it was already used, someone made for me.
Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
So paranormal Padre. Everybody paranormal dot. Don't forget the dot.
So everybody gonna follow. We're all gonna follow, Uh, father, Bob,
We're all gonna go there. I'm gonna make a video
and we're going to just follow father Father. Look, this
is just.
Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Just be patient because I just started with it, so
and I already have to two Facebook pages, although you
know I should have the time I'm retired, but uh
so I am gonna develop it. I just I've been
slow to doing that. I mean I was the fervor
with Annabelle and I was I'm the chore to do that.
(01:06:45):
But I will be developed it now. I don't have
a choice yours.
Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
We're gonna, We're gonna put so No, no, it's paranormal.
Everybody's paranormal dot podre. So make sure that's that's the
TikTok name. So when you go on TikTok parent, there
you go. Thank you Bill, Bill, paranormal dot Podre. So
everybody head on over to paranormal dot Padre. Let's all
follow our father, father, Bob and I do.
Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I want to take this time to thank you too, James,
because you've been in this field for a very long time,
also working and a lot of people looked up to you.
So you know, I commend you for your years of
working and doing the work.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
So I appreciate that. I really do, and I'm always
here if there's anything in this world that you need
that I can help you with consider it done. I
consider you a friend and I am absolutely I appreciate
I appreciate you so much for taking the time and
chatting with us this evening. And I'll send you a
text a little bit later on when I get off air.
Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Okay, all right, all right, well, thank you for everyone,
and God bless all you. Just be safe, keep your
faith and have hope. Live in hope, don't live in fear.
Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Beautiful words. Thank you, Bob. I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Thank you all right, God bless you. Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
All right, that's our new friend, father Bob, Father Bob.
We appreciate him being really, Father Bob Bailey, sweetheart of
a man, truly, just the sweetheart of a guy. So
make sure everybody make sure you go to TikTok and
you follow him. Remember it's paranormal paranormal dot padre all right,
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So but be patient with him because he's just learning TikTok.
He's just learning it, and that way, you know, we
can kind of help him through it. And because I
think he's going to do quite well on TikTok and
on all the other social media platforms. And I'm I'm
glad to see him because he took off some time.
He took some time off. Rather he took some time off,
(01:08:55):
you know, for his health. And so I am so
happy to see him back into the saddle. You know,
back in the day he was, he was really fantastic,
helped a lot of people, a lot of and continues
to do so.
Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
M h.
Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
And now that he and Bishop ken Taurus, who is
a fantastic human being. You know, people saill calling father
can but he's a bishop and he's a great guy.
And so he they're there. They have an organization now
that you know that they're going to help people and
help families, and so I'm going to volunteer in any
(01:09:34):
way that I can to help them. And so yep,
ali they can. So there we go. That is a father,
Bob Bailey and he's again he's on TikTok paranormal podre
paranormal dot podre paranormal dot podre is where you guys
need to go to follow him. And there we go.
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You know, it is interesting because a lot of these
items they're very dangerous. And week I'm going to be
bringing some of these items that I've collected through the years.
I don't really like bringing them in here, but I
do on occasion, and I'm going to be bringing some
of these items, some items I've never shared before and
(01:10:15):
some items I have. And I will bringing that doll
that calls complete and total chaos that was found on
that was aired on Eli Roth Presents Legion of Extorcist show.
So I'll be bringing that in. I tell you, that's
just interesting. You got to be careful. You just got
to be careful with these items, and so there's nothing
(01:10:38):
good that comes with them, really nothing, and more and
more people bring them in and purchase them and then
bring them to their home and then all you know,
activity occurs, and you got to be careful. Yeah, Judy
Anne doesn't like that doll, Judy En does it? Okay,
So here's the deal. We're going to turn the chat
on for everybody because it's the second hour. Just TikTok listen,
(01:11:00):
Just be kind, just be kind and if you're kind,
then we'll leave chat on for everybody. But you know
what I really liked about this is because number one,
you know, everybody knows what my faith and everybody knows
that if you know, Father Bob. No, unfortunately, Nancy, I didn't.
I don't know why. I don't know why for those
(01:11:21):
of you who the reason is, we had to turn
subscriber chat on because people came in and they were
very vicious before we went live everywhere, they were very
vicious and said some terrible things, and so that's it.
We put the subscriber chat on and that's that's the
way it'll be. So hopefully just be kind. But you
know what I loved about this is now Mark, I
(01:11:44):
don't have that. What I really loved it is so
many things that he said. We have been talking about
this for years. I love the fact that we talked
about paranormal investigators are not doing the work of the devil,
and I'm getting so fed up. And of course I
agree there are people who push the envelope. That's not
(01:12:05):
don't I don't work with people who push the envelope.
It's too dangerous and it's irresponsible. But we absolutely Yeah,
you can on the other social media platforms, Kevin. But
as clergy, you know, I've not won the lottery. I
don't have a private jet, and I don't get paid
as clergy, so I don't receive a stipend. I don't
(01:12:26):
receive a salary. And when families need my help, I
don't charge. So if a family's in California, I've got
to wait. I got to find a way to get there.
Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Just recently, i've had people who've helped, like Leo, Judy Anne.
It's helped tremendously in other people. But really that's just recent.
That was over over a year ago. A little over
a year ago, I met Judy Anne. So for twenty
four years, I've been doing this by myself, putting fifteen
thousand dollars on the credit card to help people for free.
And that's what I've been doing for twenty four years
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for free. And so when I go to when a
family is in California, I can't go back and forth
and do I just can't, nor should I be expected to.
So what I do is I reach out to teams
that are in the paranormal community, that are seasoned, that
don't think everything is a demon because it is not.
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Father Bob also agreed, and that paranormal team goes out
and they investigate, they gather all the evidence, they try
to debunk, and then they present the evidence and then
we have to go from there. And if in fact
it's the Moonic, then I have to find a way
to get to that family's home. And you know, I agree,
I'm the one. I am the one who set the
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rule no charging. Sure, I certainly had every right I could.
I could have set the rule for five thousand dollars.
I could have It's my ministry, so I could have said, yep,
five thousand dollars, that's how much it's going to cost.
I'm the one who set the rule twenty five no charge.
But it's interesting, I've the hardest part for me, and
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I've said this a million times, the hardest part for
me in dealing with this ministry is not necessarily dealing
with the demonic. The hardest part is having to tell
a family who's crying on the phone begging me to
get to their home, that I can't afford it. That's
the hardest part is being able to tell you I
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can't get to your home and so but I've always
found you know, in time, God makes a way, and
so that's but that for me is that's why when
I was in twenty fifteen, if you see there's old
there's old pictures of me all over the internet, But
I was four hundred and twenty pounds so I was
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in twenty fifteen, I was dying. There's no way of
fans or butts about I was dying because I was
taken on all this stress of having to tell family,
I can't get to your home. There's no way. And
that was taking a toll on my body. It was
taking a toll on me spiritually, emotionally, physically. It'd be
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different if I was paid fifty thousand dollars a year. Sure,
if I was paid fifty thousand dollars a year, I
could go to people's homes. But I'm going to make
this very clear. I receive zero compensation from the church. Zero.
As a bishop, I received not one penny. So yeah,
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that that's that was the That was very difficult for me.
So I've had to learn, yeah, one twenty pounds. And
I as a matter of fact, when I did Exorcism Live,
which I wish they would not have called that the
show the exorcism, let me and let me say this
very quickly because I want to clear that up. So
in twenty fifteen, I was contacted to do Exorcism Life.
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First of all, there was no name for it. So
they said, this is the situation. The family wants you
to come to their home bless their home. They told
me the backstory. The backstory was the wife was pregnant
and they lived in the Exorcist House, the actual house
in Saint Louis, And so they asked me to come
bless their home. Okay, I've been doing it for a
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long she hurt, no problem, and they said it's a show,
we'll get you here. I was like, good, So then
I don't have to worry about raising funds to get
to this family. So that was one worry off the plate.
So they said, this is what we're gonna do this.
So they sign an NDA, a non disclosure agreement, so
I means you can't talk about the show. You can't
give any information about the show for like two or
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three years after it aired. And I was like, okay, fine,
so we all agreed. I saw in the contract. It
was good. Then they started advertising Exorcism Live. I was like,
whoa wait a minute, now, wait a minute. I'm not
performing in Exorcism on anybody on camera. I never agreed
to that. And they said, no, no, no, no, it's not
it's not that it is you know, it's uh, you're
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gonna be blessing a home. I said, well, you don't
perform an exorcism on a house. She blessed the house.
So it's and I told him, it's kind of it's misleading.
You're making people believe that I'm performing in exorcism on
someone I'm not. But I've already already sound the contract
and I'd already sound assigned NDA, so I couldn't talk
about why I was there. I couldn't talk about, you know,
on the shows. But that's the whole point of the
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that was the whole thing of the show of Exorcism Live.
But here's what I here's what I want to say
this to you. I will give them credit because after
and I told them, I said, you're giving me ten
minutes to perform a minor right of exorcism. I can't
do no way. So I said the only and I
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told him I will break this contract if you don't
allow me to finish it. I'm not I'm not showing up.
I'll be sick. And they said, what do you mean?
I said, it takes an hour at least to perform
this rite. And so after the show is over, you're
gonna everybody's gonna have to get out of my way
and let me bless this home, because I'm not going
to just spend ten minutes to say, okay, it's blessed now. No,
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that's not how it works. And I'll give them credit.
They will absolutely one percent. They one hundred percent said okay,
you're not really thinking about uh do you do? You
not really thinking about? Load of nonsense, Peter I. If
you're going to attack me, at least use proper english.
Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
But anyway, for I was really interrupted. So that was
the issue. And they did, they did, They absolutely did.
They said okay, and so after the show, when the
show went off air, then they told everybody. The director said, okay, everybody,
do not get in you know, his way, let him
finish it, and they did so. I spent an hour
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finishing blessing the home. And when it was done, then
they broke everything down. So I, you know, I'll give
them credit for that, and they did so, and I
appreciated that a lot because they kept their word. So
that's that was. That was the twenty fifteen show. So okay,
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if you guys have any questions, I'll be happy to
entertain them and do the best I can to answer them.
And otherwise I have a lot of articles that we
can get to as well. So are there any questions
at all? That's right there, belly. Yeah, and don't forget
we have night prayer coming up at ten pm Eastern
Standard time. We're a little bit aways from it, but
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we do have ten pm Eastern Standard time and that's
night prayer. Oh wow, Lauren, are you very welcome to Gail? Okay,
right now, annabel is at the museum. So annabel is
not gone. It's she hasn't disappeared. That was a ridiculous story.
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She hasn't disappeared. She's completely safe, and they're going back
on tour again and Father Bob will be there with them. So,
as I said, I've made a video on this on TikTok. Look,
if Father Bob's going to be there with Annabelle, then
people don't need to worry about are people going to
be safe? They're going to be fine. So scariest place
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silent was the Gates of Hill Cemetery that I named
twenty years twenty five years ago, twenty years ago, and
as a matter of fact, I did documentary on it
and I put it on the tube to the you
so are you very welcome, rebel. Okay, yes, Ali, that's
even annoyed when asked to give a blessing. What do
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you think of a priest that seemed annoyed when asked
to give a blessing? Was my mom? Well, no priest
should be annoyed to give a blessing. I mean that's
I don't know the circumstances. I don't know the situation,
but I mean if you're asking, if you're there and
the priest is in front of you and you say,
you know, bless me father, a priest should bless you.
So yeah, yeah, I'm not for sure, don't uh yes,
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Mark amen on Hers Yeah, but I mean she hasn't
asked for a blessing. Does Annabel have security? Yeah, there's
always going to be someone there. They're not going to
allow someone just to walk in and open you know.
You know that's yes, Helen, I will. So that's like that, Deanna.
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Really Okay, listen, guys, here's the deal. For those of
you who don't know, we have night prayer again. We
have night prayer coming up at ten pm Eastern Standard time,
so we pray for your prayer petitions. Remember, guys, if
you're on TikTok, Judy Anne, let me know if you
if we still have time to include because the prayer
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petitions needed to be in by eight pm Eastern. We've
made I've made a lot of videos on that on
my TikTok. I've even mentioned that several times during this
presentation today because she has to put them all together.
So if we still have a little bit of time,
then you know you need to do this now. If not,
then you know you have to wait. You know, I
can keep you my personal prayer, but that's up to
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Judy Anne because she has to put them all together
to the main from home alone. I don't understand, Kira,
I don't understand what you're saying. Helped out in the
case out of the country, yes, but I wasn't, Okay,
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Judy Ane says, Yet we have prayer. Yes, I have
helped with the case outside of the country. Obviously I
wasn't there. All right, So here's the deal. Judy Anne
is going to wait until nine pm Eastern standard time
to put the prayer petitions. Listen, guys, so we're giving
you another opportunity. Normally it's eight for those of you
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are on TikTok. This is what you need to do
if you us hold on guys, if you want us
to pray for your petition during tonight's night prayer at
ten pm Eastern, thank you. What you need to do
is go to my profile now, my TikTok profile. You'll
see a video. Bear with me because I don't want
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anybody saying that we didn't give an opportunity for people
to blast them, because we give plenty of time. So
here is the video right here. That's what it looks
like right there. So you go to my TikTok profile
and you place your prayer petitions in the comments under
the video I just showed. You put your first name
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and make sure you do that now and then we
will pray for your petition tonight during our night prayer
at ten o'clock. For those of you who are on
all other social media platforms, this is what you need
to do. Go to USOCC dot org and it says
to become a parishioner. Click here. Does is going to
take you to our our our book to the face group.
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I have to say that caused the TikTok and it
takes you takes you to our our our you know,
book to the face group and Judy Anne she posted
picture and it says place your prayer petitions in the comments.
Make sure you guys do that now if you want
us to pray for your prayer petitions tonight for night prayer. Okay?
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Is that fair? Okay? Oh Kyle, what kind of news?
What kind of news did you get? So that that's
the thing, guys. So that's why there's a lot of
people asking for blessings, a lot of people. Remember I
run the presentation on this computer, and I also run
the show on this computer, so I have a lot
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of social media platforms open at the moment. Oh, Kyle, gonness,
go your child has stage three crann Kyle, what is
your Kyle? Here's what I want you to do. Go
to my TikTok profile. Go to the video that's on
my profile that says for tonight's night prayer. I just
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made that announcement, it says, and then put your names
your child's name there, and then yes, we will absolutely
do that. Yeah, is a three year old child has
been diagnosed with cancer? Okay, So again I'm gonna show
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you guys one more time. Kyle, Go there my TikTok profile,
that's the video and place your prayer petitions in the comments,
and we'll pray for your absolutely and then I'll certainly
pray for them, and I will pray for your child
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in my private prayers, and we will also call upon
Saint Raphael for intercession. So Kyle, do that, Okay. I
believe in miracles, and we will call upon God for
healing and thy will be done, and so we will.
I don't know Kyle is gonna put her name in
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the So we'll be there tonight at ten pm. Okay,
so there we go. Gotta make sure you guys do that.
And yeah, Kyle, what is your child's name? I haven't
seen it yet because the chat's going kind of fast.
Do we make our own demons? No, that means we
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create demons that we are not God. Now we can
manifest our own A lot of people say we can
manifest our own energy negative energy meaning that, but we
can't create because angels are falling, demons are fallen angels.
We pray for everyone, Helen everyone. Jason McLoud is a
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great guy. The name is there? Okay, what's the name, Kyle?
Because I didn't see it. Because I can't leave here
because if I leave here, I'll have to end the show.
So yeah, Jason McLoud is a great Marcus. All right,
Marcus is Kyle's child. Okay, we certainly will. So there
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you go, deb Jason McLoud. So we don't make sure
we pray for Marcus today, look for me. Oh well,
thank you, Mark, thank you very much. You're a very
good friend. I appreciate you very much. Thank you. Yeah,
and I tell you what we got this in this
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picture here, that's beautiful and of course the camera. Okay,
Jason McLoud he actually worked with the warrens uh and
I strongly encourage you. I strongly encourage you to buy
his books. It is a Dark Siege. They are a phenomenal, phenomenal.
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The way he writes is brilliant. And all you got
to do is Jason McLoud M A C L E
O D and Dark Siege. So yeah, Unfortunately I can't
bring you on, Kyle because I run the presentation on
all the other social media platforms and they won't be
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able to see or hear you. So yeah, so Jenny,
that was it. It is dark and okay, there's two.
There's a couple of them. One Dark Siege Jason McLoud
it's a true story of one of his cases that
he worked. I strongly, strongly endorse you got to get
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those guys, if you've not gotten purchased them. Also, House
of Darkness, House of Light by Andrea Parrin. That those,
it's a trilogy set. It's a trilogy. She actually grew
up in the Conjuring House. She was there as a
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matter of fact. She's one of the hosts. She has
a show on kg R a dB Radio, kg R
a dB dot com. And so but she has three shows,
I'm sorry, three books, House of Darkness, House of Light.
So you absolutely need to purchase those if you've not so,
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Jason McLoud, you gotta get them. Dark Siege, you gotta
get them. And House of Darkness, House of Light. Okay,
of the Anthony all it's good. Okay, you see, Oh
don't wait, a cute person from God in God's work. No.
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So here's what loop a loop what they do as
far as can can Demons cause injuries? Yes, So let's
explain this first, l U. P. I. D. First of all,
what you're what you're talking about is we're called demonic oppression.
Demonic oppression is when the demonic will begin to interact
with a person physically, so such as biting, scratching, pinching, hitting,
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causing sleep extreme sleep deprivation, and the point of that
is to break the person's will. So in that case, yes,
but the point of attacking that person from a person
from the demonical pression perspective is to break the intellect
and will of the person so that possession can take place.
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There's also called the demonic obsession, and demonic obsession is
when the the demonic will begin to attack the intellect
of the person. So the person is beginning to think
they're crazy because they actually begin to hear the void
the demonic speak to them. And so the whole point
of that is to attack the intellect and will to
eradicate that so that person becomes an incredibly vulnerable state,
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so where possession can take place, Yes, Lena, because it
certainly does. That's all under demonic oppression. When you start
attacking the person's the body, it causes extreme sleep deprivation,
immunal compromise. It basically the will of the person is
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that it is. Think of when you're incredibly exhausted beyond that,
you just you can't fight anymore. It's just a regular
advanced healing. So okay, very welcome, peg you that all, okay,
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I'm trying to go faor supernatural paranoil books. Yeah, the
oh the Queen Mary. Well, we're definitely in the beginning
stages of putting it together. I'll be going to the
Queen Mary in October. And I lost in Jordan. Actually,
if you are a true Roman Catholic, you wouldn't say that,
because of course you just got muted. But let me
(01:32:22):
explain something to you, lost in Jordan, because you can
actually hear if you're a true Roman Catholic, practicing Roman Catholic,
you wouldn't say something like that because prope France has
actually said he called it a gravesin against the Cumanism,
which you just did, and actually Pope Leo confirmed that
faith or that belief, that teaching. So therefore you just
confirmed to us that you're actually not a practicing Roman Catholic,
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because if in fact you were, you wouldn't do what
you just did. Again, I'm not a fifteen year old child.
I've been quite familiar with Roman Catholic teaching a doctor
in the Catechism. So and if you're going to be
a Roman Catholic, then you need to adhere to the
patiff's teaching. If not, then you're a Roman Catholic name
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and only so yep Ed was a demonologist. He absolutely
worked with the church in many several cases. Actually, is
it true that is better to read the Bible than
read scary Oh? Absolutely, I mean everybody should read the Bible. Well,
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question believe in the reality of demons and evil? Sure, abigolo,
it's a good question. What do you say to people
who don't believe in the reality of demons and evil?
Then I ask him, do you accept Jesus as your
Lord and savior? And then they say Sometimes most of
the time they say yes. I said, no, you're not,
and then they get upset, and then I say, if
you truly are the if you truly tell me that
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you are a Christian, then you're calling Jesus a liar.
Because that was a part of Jesus' ministry inso much
it was so important that he told the disciples to
go out and cast demons, cast out demons. So if
demons didn't exist, Jesus would not have told his I
supposed to go do this ministry. And furthermore, I tell
people this all the time, the new Revised Standard Version,
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Catholic Edition. You know, I tell people this all the time.
I am not here to prove to you that demons exist,
not at all. I am here to help the families
who know that they do. You know, at one time
I was frustrated, Angela, you should have communication with God
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every day. Yeah, I agree to Angelica. That is very true.
That's very true. And this is why, Angelica, we have
night prayer Monday through Friday at ten pm Eastern Standard time.
We also have Bible study on Sundays and Wednesdays at
eight pm Eastern Standard time, and this is why we
pray for each other. So, yep, you're absolutely right, Angelica Salvador.
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What is the prayer that we should always pray every
day so that God is with you? God is with
you always no matter what. I'm very devoted to the
bus and Mother, so I say the Rosary. I also
say the Our Father. I also see Psalm twenty three,
Psalm Psalm ninety one. I pray the what's called the
Liturgy of the Hours. The Liturgy of the hours is
something that we did when we are in the seminary.
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When I was study for the Roman Catholic priesthood and
now there are more than just five pray but I
try it to minimum at least pray five times a day.
For those of you who want to know, I absolutely love, love,
love this app and I use it often and I'll
take a picture of it and that way you guys
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can see it. So let me show you for those
of you who like, if you're like me, like if
I'm out walking, I will listen to this and pray.
It's called the Divine Office, and the Divine Office is amazing,
absolutely amazing, and again I pray every single day. And
(01:35:59):
what I love it it is it's an app and
you can pray along with it. So I mean, that's
what's so great about it because you just it goes
very nice. It just you listen and it prais and
you can just listen to it, you know, on your
head sets or whatever you have, or on speakerphone or whatever,
and that's that's how you do it. So I encourage you.
(01:36:20):
If you've not, I'm trying to open it up now
and there it is. Let me show you the what
it looks like, so you guys can download it. There
it is, that's what it looks like, Okay, I'm gonna
show you guys the Divine Office. And for today's reading readings,
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I've already done all of them, so when you do them,
you get a check mark buy them to Let's just
let you know that you've done all of them. So
today I've done all all of the readings. So I've
already done night Prayer. I've already did that today before
I went on air. So that's what it looks like.
And like for example, morning Prayer, all you got to
do is just click on Morning Prayer where it says
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morning Prayer, and then it even shows you the script
see that, and you can pray along with it Morning Prayer.
See it's beautiful. And you just keep scrolling up and
you follow my assistants Lord and make page to help
me Glorie beat to the father Son only and so
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that's what you do, and you can just listen and
follow along, and so I encourage you. It's a great way.
This is just something that I did when I was
in the seminary and I've never stopped. It's just a
passion of mine and I love prayer. So okay, so
there you go, guys. Hopefully that helps you. Yep, thank you, Mark,
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I sure didn't. Yeah. So who changed the Lord's prayer? Absolutely? Yeah,
I mean okay, do we have any other questions before
we Yeah? Absolutely yes. You absolutely can have holywater with you,
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but you don't want to. You gotta be careful. First
of a skydog, I investigate. I see investigators carry holy
water with them. Okay, let me just say something because
that's important. If you have holy water and you are going,
that's called a sacramental of the church. It is blessed,
like oil is a sacramental. Are blessed? Rosary is sacramental? Well,
(01:38:41):
there are several scapulars are sacramental. If these items are
blessed and you're using these items, let's say, in a
location that has demonic infestation, you better be very careful
because that is a form of provocation. See. Provocation is
not I dare you to do something. Come on, I
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dare you to something. You're not provoking, your inviting. That's
a difference. Anybody can beat their chest and say, come on, demons,
I dare you to do something. You have just now invited.
That's not provocation. Provocation is when you go to a
place that's known to have demonic infestation, and you begin
to pray the Litany of the Saints, which by the way,
the solemn rite of exorcism and even the minor right
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we do, or you begin using sacramentos of the church,
ch as, holy water, church incense. You got to be
that you're going to get a response. So people need
to be very very careful. Now you can, you know,
making make the side of the cross on your forehead,
you know, the Father's side a holy spirit. But you
got to be careful when you start throwing holy water
(01:39:43):
around like it's tap water. You know you're going to
get a response, and sometimes a response that might increase
the activity. So explain that. Just be careful about you
explain why people would do that. So many forms use
sixty four to fifty eight. That's right. You're talking about acts, Eddie.
(01:40:08):
You're talking about the Sons of Skiva when they when
they were going around and there performing exorcism in the
name of Jesus, in the name of Paul and the
demon and then and then they came across someone who
is possessed, and the demon says, Paul, I know, Jesus,
I know, but who are you? And then attack them
so absolutely, yeah, hollow is a great apt to absolutely Salvador.
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You remember, God knows everything, so you can certainly pray
in your heart. You don't have to pray verbally in
order for God to know that your praying, So no
such thing as holy water. I take it you're out
in you're saved, Carol Elizabeth. I take it that you're
not a Christian because if you just made a comment
about whether or not I was saved, and you don't
even know who I am, it's pretty sad that you
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claim me to be a Christian. Come in here and
tell another Christian that they're not saved. I accept Jesus Christ,
my Lord and Savior, and I know that by the
blood of the Cross, I have been saved. So you
I pray for you because you have done exactly what
Jesus said not to do, which is called judging. Well,
I tell you what, it's a shame. It's a shame,
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righteous righteous Christians, Pharisees. Unbelievable. It's amazing how so many
people will come in here they start saying, well, you're
not a Christian, Well who are you? When did Jesus
give you the authority to determine whether or not. I'm
a Christian. Last I checked, you didn't have that authority.
So I rebuke that hatred and I rebuke that judgment.
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There you go, there, Kyle, heard the Active Faith scripture
sakes to place some grounds on your property or heard
of the active Faith scriptures thing? No, I've not heard that.
I thought you were meaning the whole. Oh okay, Carolyn, Okay,
it's all good. It's all good. So Carolyn and I
were friends. No, I absolutely am. I firmly, firmly believe,
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and Jesus is my Lord and Savior and MX. I
know you're still waiting for an answer, but you got
to understand. I have a computer here, and I have
a computer here, and I'm one person trying to go
through questions on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, Instagram, Rumble, kgri,
dB radio, and TikTok. So if you would like to
be my producer and sit behind the scenes and funnel
(01:42:32):
through all the questions, you're certainly more than welcome to do.
So be patient, everybody, be patient. I'll do the best
I can. I promise you. Just got to be patient. Oh,
I get you, I get you. I understand. Okay, Well
that's an opinion it's called divine office user one A
three or one three eight. That's right, Tony that people
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ask me all the time, what my favorite verse is
Matthew Chapter seven, verse twelve. Actually I think it's Matthew
Chaven first two. You'll be judging the same manner you
judge others. So yeah, that's uh, gotta be careful, Okay,
I was looking at something here. It's all good, so
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MX well, certainly, Psalm twenty three. I love Psalm twenty three.
I love Psalm ninety one, and I also pray the Rosary.
I'm very devoted to the blessed Mother. Nope, Mary cannot
save you. Nope, Mary cannot save forgive your sins. But
we I venerate Mary, I honor, and I respect and
love Mary absolutely. Tattoos, Okay, make it very Please understand
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why it said this animals can become possessed, because actually
the pigs and scripture were possessed tattoo. The reason is
that we're talking about tattoos, be can they We're talking
about idolatry. So you got to read the entire the
scripture in its context. It was talking about false idols
and idle work. What has happened is there was a
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lot of pagan influence that were mingling with the Israelite culture,
and they had a lot of pagan tattoos that were
tattooed on their body. That's what it was referring to.
So I'm absolutely convinced one percent that if you have
a cross stattoo on your arm, that's not going to
keep you from entering heaven. And by the way, that's
a part of the Holiness Code. The Holiness Code has
six hundred and thirteen laws. And we are no longer
(01:44:23):
under the old Covenant. We are under the Knu, a
covenant that Jesus established was to love love God with
all the heart, soul, mind, and body, and love our
neighbor as ourself. Okay, is piercing a sent No, again,
you're talking. It goes back to Deuteronomy, and again it's
all about pagan I don't like piercing because I don't
(01:44:47):
like the idea of having a needle. I don't like
needles anyway, period. So but if you have an ear
piers does that mean God's gonna say, oh, you have
an ear pier, so I can't let you into heaven. Really,
that's that's going to be an impediment as to whether
or not you get to I don't know. Sure THEO okay,
(01:45:09):
what do we do?
Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
We really we really shouldn't be drinking early water. Can
a Christian have a demon? Dwell? Okay, Helen, let me
make this clear. Can a Christian have a demon or
be possessed? Let me make this abundantly clear. Yes, absolutely, yes,
(01:45:30):
And I'll tell you why. There's a lot of people
who are saying Christians cannot be possessed. That is not true.
That is not true. There have been documented cases through
the years, even the Roman Catholic Church, where Christians were
absolutely possessed. Here we think that just because we're Christians
(01:45:54):
that we no longer have free will. We do. We
still have free will. So what I mean by that
is this, I declared Jesus Christ in my personal Lord
and Savior. I'm a Christian, Okay, But then I also
choose to go out and paranormal investigate. That's my free will.
I go to a location that's known to have demonic infestation,
and I go there and I say, come on, demons,
(01:46:16):
I'm not scared of you. I accept Jesus Christ is
my personal Lord and Savior. Do something to me. You
have now invited, You've now given the invitation, even though
you've declared yourselfsolutely, you've declared yourself as a Christian, but
you at the same time you have freely chosen to
(01:46:37):
go into acuse. That's what's happening. That is what's happening
to paranormal investigators. And I'm telling you this because I
had a case where it was a paranormal investigator who
went to church every single week, who was praising Glory.
They absolutely gave their life over to God. They were
one hundred percent, and they made a mistake. They went
to a location that should not have gone to because
(01:47:00):
they had watched television. They were tempted, as we are
all tempted. They went to this location that has demonic
infestation and they said, you know, I don't I'm not
scared of you. I accept Jesus my Lord and say
I dare you to do something. That was all it
was needed. That was all it was needed, that one mistake.
(01:47:22):
I have performed thirty three exorcisms on people who were
validly possessed, and one of the cases was from in
fact at paranormal investigator to very devout Christian but they
made a big mistake. And so I'm I'm letting you
know now. So how do I protect myself because I
(01:47:47):
don't fear the demons. I don't fear demons, and I
don't invite, so I don't. I do not. I do not.
It is very dangerous to do that. Okay, oh by
oh goes. No, it's already getting close to Yeah, it's
(01:48:11):
not already get in time. But we're gott to wrap
this up unfortunately. Oh man, Okay, for those of you, Unfortunately,
I'm gonna have to wrap it up because KGr dB
Radio has another presentation. So for those of you on
KGr dB radio, remember tonight we have another presentation. Please
(01:48:32):
consider joining us for our night prayer. We would love
to have you. Okay. It's at ten pm Eastern Standard time. Okay,
so if you can join us, that will be fantastic.
It would be great. That's again ten pm Eastern, and
you're more than welcome to join us. We would love
to have you there. If you can't, I understand that.
But for those of you who are on kg RDB radio, TikTok,
(01:48:54):
stay with me. For those of you on KGr dB
radio and all the other social media platforms. Remember, I
tell you your value does not to increase based on
someone's inability or refuse to see you're worth your priceless
and I let anybody tell you or convince you otherwise.
Tomorrow night, at eight pm Eastern Standard time, we're also
going to have a paranormal shoke because I did not
get to any of my and that's fine. I have
a lot of articles we're going to talk about tomorrow
(01:49:16):
at eight pm Eastern. Hopefully I'll see you there until then,
God bless. Okay, there we go. So we've got to
close this out. Everybody, hang tight with me one second.
Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Okay, for those of you on spreaker, I'm gonna say
good night to you guys and have a great night. Okay,
So they're closing out and work, say have a wonderful
night there. Springer Ham of a
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