Bishop Long interviews Ron Morehead

Paranormal

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
From the mysteries of the paranormal to world headline news.
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with us, and you're going to uh, You're going to
enjoy every moment. Look, guys, I don't want to spend
any longer talking about anything other than the presentation that
we're going to be talking about today. You know, one
of the people always talk about. You know, I've been
the paranormill field for thirty five years. My first time
I investigated was thirty five years ago, and people have
talked to me for years about Bigfoot and my opinion

(04:15):
on Bigfoot. And I think sometimes people think Bigfoot, Okay, yeah, right,
well okay, bigfoot, yeah to go eight running around? Sure,
I'm sure, why aren't there any bones? Why aren't this
blah blah blah. Let me just say this. I am
absolutely convinced that there is something out there. There's no
ifens or butts about it. There are far too many
credible people that are seeing this bipedal creature that is

(04:38):
massive in the woods. There are too many people seeing this.
And I think when you get when you have that
many people who are saying, look, this is what we've experienced,
is what we saw. Remember I talked about fifteen years ago,
I had a game war none from Alaska and he absolutely,
you're not going to tell him any He's a native Alaskan.

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He spent his entire life in the woods, and he
and I even asked the question, and I've said this
many times. I said, well, perhaps maybe you maybe it
Maybe I don't know, you made a mistake. Maybe it
was a bear. And I'll never forget what he said.
He said, Bishop Long, I'm a native Alaskan. My entire
life has been in the woods. If I don't know

(05:20):
the difference between a bear, a moose, and a bipedal
eight foot ten foot creature, then I shouldn't be an
Alaskan game warden. And he was absolutely right. And what
I think when that when he said that to me,
that's when I started taking this seriously. I mean, I'd
always taken the you know, the subject seriously, but you

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know how you know, it's it's a big foot. And
when he said this, that that really kind of like,
you know what, He's right. So tonight we have a
very special guest on this evening, and I am I
am really happy that he's here and that he took
the uh, the invitation. So let me just introduce him
to you. His name is Ron Moorehead Rod Morehead. He

(06:05):
is known for over five decades for his worldwide research
into the bigfoot sasquatch phenomenon. Look. Ron Morehead is an author, researcher,
lecture renowned experiencer, producer of the Sierra Sounds. This is
the person you want to go to when it comes
to Bigfoot. There he is. If you're thinking of the

(06:29):
epitome of the experts in Bigfoot, well we're talking to
him tonight. Certainly when you're thinking about bigfoot research is he's.
Absolutely he's going to be on the Mount Rushmore. If
you think of no question now todate he comes closer
than any other researcher to having a complete body of experience,
actually vocalization that we're going to be playing tonight. Captured

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during the nineteen seventies at a remote hunting camp of
the Sierra Mountains of California. Now, the cassette tapes, by
the way which he recorded them on, were established by
a professor of electrical engineering of the University of Wyoming
as not being altered in any way, shape, form, or fashion,
so inside and out the average human range representing a

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creature over eight foot tall, they said, made this noise. Also,
the vocalizations were recognized as a cognizant language by a
Navy crypto linguist trained to transcribe and look for deceptiveness
and sounds. There was nothing false was found. They conclude

(07:34):
it is an actual language. Now let me say this
again because I think this is important and I want
to say this again. These vocalizations that he has, they
were recognized by a Navy crypto linguist. That's what they do,
They specialize in language. And they found that there was

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nothing false, there was no fake, no fakery in this,
and that it was a language. So what could this mean? Well,
according to doctor Philip Lieberman, Professor of Cognitive Linguistic Sciences,
Brown University, only humans have that vocal ability. So Ron
provides a compelling PowerPoint program and has put many of

(08:17):
the dots together that began to show a picture of
what these giants may represent. And he has documented his
personal interactions with these giant beings and produced two CDs
and three and but three thought provoking books, Voices in
the Wilderness, The Quantum Bigfoot, and The Bigfoot and Bigfoot Unveiled.

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Now Ron has traveled from everywhere you name it. He's
traveled in search of the truth on how these beings
are able to stay so hidden from classical science. That
we're going to address that. And besides being the keynote
speaker at many conventions, He's been featured on countless radio programs,

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TV documentaries. Again, when p people want to go and
producers want to find an expert on bigfoot, they speak
to Ron. So, without further ado, let's bring our special
guest guests in for this evening. Hello, Ron, and welcome
to the show. We appreciate you being here and spending
this hour with us.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well, thank you very much for the introduction. Bishop James.
I appreciate all nice words you said about me.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well truly, I mean, you know, that's the thing. When
you have an expert and I'm there, it's no question
you're the expert when it comes to this, to this
type of I think it's a science. I mean, because
you have fifty years of evidence that clearly backs up
the statement that I believe, and certainly I think you

(09:41):
well not believe. You know that bigfoots exist.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yes, I do, and that's because I've been counted on
that and I've dealt with them, and yeah, it's been
quite a venture. Really, I didn't know at the time
what it was. I thought it was just a wall
statee in the woods or something. But I was raised
religiously as a board member at the Big Church and
me and the other guys that were at the hunting
camp and counted these things. And the first thing I

(10:08):
started doing when all this took places looking through the Bible,
the scriptures where giants came from, and is they're not
supposed to be around anymore to think, But they are
and they're out there now. But it led me to
a whole other world. And I've been in this world
now for fifty years just researching this enigma as there
is enigma and what you said the introduction there about

(10:29):
the doctor Lieberman, only humans have the ability for cognizy
speech like what we're doing right now. Everything communicates, everything does,
but not with language like we do, and nothing's supposed
to be able to do that except human beings. Therefore,
I kind of put it together that these things have
to have a human component to them, and at least
the ones we dealt with in the stairs that we're

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recorded had am analyzed. So it's it's taken me on
quite a trip. I went to Peru, Olivia looking at
the elong age skull, see if there's any connection there
with the crest that people see on some of these
big foots up here, and just a lot of crumb
trails are leading up to the north, and I just
put adventure. I've been in Russia, Siberia and those places

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like that, just getting answers and speaking a lot of
connections with other other guys. But for a long time,
I might call me an expert, but I I say, know,
there's no experts in this expertss to know everything. But
I looks at the definition of expert, and really, expert
is supposed to know more than most people. Just in
that regard, I guess now, But I got to tell

(11:35):
you something. Just treading me and you there are I
don't know everything.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I'll tell you that, no one doesn't. No one does.
But as far as bigfoot, you are the expert here
in this in this crowd, there's I don't think anybody
can touch your experience, uh and your knowledge when it
comes to bigfoot. So I think we're we're gonna look
at you. You're the expert here tonight. So thank you,
thank you for being with us.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
We'll go with that one. I like that.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, let me ask you what rot Here's the first
question that I have for you. And if you guys,
for those of you have questions, you can you know,
jump in and ask questions. But I've got why, Bigfoot?
What what You've devoted fifty years of your life to
a study of a creature that some people say doesn't exist?
I disagree, So why what is it about this particular

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creature that you've divided dedicated fifty years of well more
than that of your life too.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well, it wasn't looking for it. It came to us.
I say, yeah, hey, there was a family of nothing
to see mountains of California, eight miles at a very
remote camp site and eighty four hundred feet elevation, and
it just they came around our camp and was making
these noises and we ended up realizing it's not a
bear and it's these huge tracks and the sounds were

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just ridiculous. And you're gonna play some of those humans,
I think. But it just really it gets in your
skin the first thing. You know, you can't let it go.
And I think, this is what I'm called to life
to do. This is my passion now, so I can
be on programs like yours and and tell people about
what I think it means and where it goes, because
it's really important, I think for everybody to hear this
and to know that these things are not out there. Well,

(13:10):
some of them are vicious. Some of them are malicious,
but what we ran into this series was not that way.
They were trying to communicate with us, and that's and
we you know, for a long time we didn't do
anything about it. We just thought, well, Alberry, he's an
investigative reporter. We took in.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
He was looking for a.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Hope, thinking this can't be happening, but it was happening.
He got wrapped up in it and wrote a book too.
But anyway, he compelled me to start writing. So that's
when I started writing books too. He passed away about
ten twelve years ago, but he became a good friend.
He was a master's degree in science, so he said,
whatever you do, stay with science with this subject appear
because there was some strange things going on, and for

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a long time I wrote, how do you answer those
strange things? You know, because in science, classical sciences don't
answer them. We's had all kinds of issues going up
there besides just the vocalizations. But bigfoot is a big thing,
and there's a big thing in these commissions I'm speaking
at and a lot of people interesting because a lot
of people are seeing these things all over the world

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really not just here, but they do exist, you know,
they are.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
And so so you're saying that they're just like I
guess people there are. There are pine bigfoots, and they're
also vicious and aggressive bigfoots that can be Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
I was in Alaska port Lock, Alaska a couple of
years ago with a filming crew and they were trying
to reabituate This native tribe was trying to reebentuate this
place called Port Lock in Alaska and they abandoned it
in late forties because of a giant something like a
bigfoot was killing them about three dozen I'm out here

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and according to the newspapers, they were overfishing it and
they were heavily timbered. And when they took me in
there on a helicopter, I was able to look over
the area pretty well, and it heavily timbered did years
and years ago. You could see the growth differences, and
they were also mining it, I find out from the
pigures I saw, you know, they were really catching a
lot of fish there. I could see why they'd want

(15:13):
to go back, but they didn't want to go back.
There's the danger there because it was kind of a
spooky place they find body parts and stuff like that. Anyway,
I had suggestions for them, but they wanted a big
fruit expert. They thought they'd pull on me, And that
didn't put any pressure on me at all, does it. Yeah,
you can come back something like that.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
No better, not you better because.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
If these things are malicious. But then what I suggested
to them was that I think they were probably in
filtering too much into their territory and their habitat by
cutting all the trees down. They don't like that at all,
and a lot of reports about these things being seen
when they're cluk cutting trees or just cutting trees down.
Trees are our life, our life here on earth. Without trees,

(15:55):
we wouldn't be very much either, So they I think
have a problem with that. So I imagine if they
came out and was screaming at them, somebody would have.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Shot at them.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
That might have gotten them a little bit disturbed and
probably would have caused me to be aggressive. That's just
the way. That's that's my opinion anyway.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
So for those of you just showting, we're talking to
Ron Moorehead who has over fifty years experience studying Bigfoot.
Later on, we're going to be playing some sound recordings
that he has recorded that. By the way, I'm going
to make this very clear. Uh, these were on cassette
recordings back in the day, becausette. I remember the cassette

(16:36):
recording at cassettes, and so I remember those days, especially
you know when you were hoping to listen to your
your favorite song being played on the radio so you
can record it. I remember those days. So these these
recordings were proven that they were not tampered with in
any way, shape, form, or fashion. So let's get to
the first question I have for you. In your book,

(16:56):
your book Bigfoot Unveiled. Great book, by the way, you
got to pick it up, guys called Bigfoot Unveiled. Truly,
there are amazing I really like the fact that you
went into the history and the background the Bigfoot and
even the scientific approach in the I believe the third
chapter there is a really good chapter. For those of

(17:16):
you love science, science, science, science, well, I think you
need to read chapter three and even chapter five when
it talks about the analysis of evidence and even he
challenges in skepticism. That's one thing I like about your book.
You address it seems like the issues that people try
to pick apart, pick apart regarding the existence of Bigfoot.

(17:36):
So in your book Bigfoot Unveiled, you delve into the
mysterious world of Bigfoot. So what is the most chilling
encounter that you have documented?

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Well of the stand amount of menials, there was chilling
when I first started going up there, when these things
were sounded very, very aggressive, and at first we didn't
know if they were gonna tear into their shelter after us,
or if we had a good red guns. It's a
hunting camp, really, that's what it was for. And the
Johnson brothers been going up there since it's fifty eight,
nineteen fifty eight, So what you don't know is what

(18:11):
their intentions are. None of us were looking for Bigfoot.
We didn't have that on a radar at all, or
they didn't I went up. After I started going up,
I started trying to figure out how to trick these things,
and out they were a little always I had a
little bit ahead of you when you try to trick them,
like they since what you're doing, or they know what
your kicks and do could capture a pitcher. We tried

(18:32):
several times, but they'll always go around the trip somewhere.
So anyway, it's that was my chilling. I guess you
can't explain it because there's something out there that's eight
ten foot tall and the sounds will jar you. I mean,
it just shakes you, and there's such an aptitude within
their lungs and just really you don't know what you're

(18:57):
going to. You don't know what's going to happen. So
that's kind of chilling. Guy wouldn't even go back. That's
how I got involved. He came out and said the
Johnson brothers story is true. There's some kind of monster
up there, and he came out early. So the wives
are all worried because I didn't know they're going to
be eaten or carried away or what's going to happen.
So he said, I'll go back, but you got to
go back with me, because they wanted to check them,

(19:18):
see if the guys were okay, because they weren't coming
out when they're those too. So that's how I got
involved in it. Nueteen seventy one.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Now, so now you said that was in the Sierra Mountains.
Of course those are beautiful. Those are beautiful, So can
you share an experience when you actually felt genuine fear
during one of your bigfoot explorations. What was it that
made your hair stand on the back of your neck?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
All right, this is gonna sound a little paranormal maybe,
but went outside the shelter with Larren Johnson one time
when Wenday Station was behind this huge tree. We think,
we jumped outside of the shelter, thing we'll see it
run away, Because really we did have the fear because
we realized they weren't breaking it after us. We didn't
have to shoot at them or nothing like that, and

(20:05):
they were just trying to play with us earlier, or
deal with this, or communicate or something. So we both
walked up towards that tree and that was a little
because we didn't see it run away with out Julia.
And then all of a sudden you got froze, like
I refer to in my book as like a force field.
It couldn't move, and then we could go backwards it
we can he's I can on TV. I can't move

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and I can't either, So we be able to go
back in this yelter. We did, and so back in
they started mouth off again behind that tree. And I
related that to a scientist one time, and he said, well,
we can't. Science don't work with fear. They don't work
with It had to be it had to be paramounts
because I told we weren't really afraid at that time,

(20:50):
because we realized that they weren't going to throw rocks
at us, they weren't eat this.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
This was seventy two or maybe seventy three. Anyway, he
said it had to be pheromones or infrasound. That stopped
you because infrasound does affect humans. So that got me into, well,
I didn't see anything, but you know it did affect us,
that's for sure. So I went with that must have
been infra sound. They have such a vocal range. The

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collaboration that doctor h. Curland got from the euro Toyoming,
he got some collaboration from doctor Benson, the Texas A
and M saying it represented an animally half foot tall
that fell right into doctor Curling's report. So we knew
they were big. This is afterwards, actually, but we knew
they were big for the tracks. But I guess that
would have been the chilling thing. But fear is your enemy,

(21:42):
and I've learned I think over the years, not the fear,
and it's hard. It's easy to say that, it's hard
to do it. Sometimes I've been I've been in the
land between the lakes where the dog man is supposed
to be and eight people they are supposed they were killing.
So but still I told the guys out there, you know,
if you fear, these things going to feed on that,
because evil fear will feed on egle, I mean fear.

(22:05):
And it's just I caution people on trying to control
your fear. That's the one thing. There's usually just the lack.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Of the unknown and uh, paranormal.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I used to be called the woo wor the paranormal guy,
but anymore, the science of quantum physics actually answers the
questions that the paranormal, the woo and have, like ghosts
and demons and things like that, and you can get
into what's really going on around us because we live
in a third density environment. I get off the track
here a little bit because I know you want to
hear about my fear, But I learned how to lout

(22:36):
to have fear up there, and that's kind of important,
I think, to have an encounter because it's all about vibration, energy,
frequency and vibration.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
See the thing is, here's here's the thing that frightens
me as far as you know. Investigating bigfoot. You know,
it's one thing when you're out there and you're like, okay,
there is an eight foot ten foot the bipedal creature
or the being rather out there in the woods. But
there's also I mean, you're also you know, could be

(23:09):
walking coming across a big old mountain lion or even
a bear. And so to me that's isn't it. Perhaps
I don't know, Maybe it's because my inexperience, you know,
I guess trying to find a big foot, But it
seems like that would be more frightening, at least to me,
coming across a bear or a mountain lion than it

(23:30):
would a bigfoot. Would you agree to this.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Well, not for me, it probably would be for a
lot of people. I'd say that because I've been right
close to bear up there a lot of bear up there,
and there's not lying up there too, but I've had
bear come within twenty feet of me. They don't see
you if you're just really real still, they can't see
very well. But I guess you're a smell you, so
says he got with from me. They shot off like

(23:54):
a dart. But there I wasn't afraid. And I think
some now animals sense fear. They can sense if you're
afraid of them. I've been I'm a diver to and
I've been down with the sharks, and I've taken the
shark man down. He's made several films about your great
wives and all. He says they can sense of fear.
He just sits out in their months and he says,

(24:17):
if you're afraid, they're gonna mess with you. But I
think it's the same way with anything out there. If
you horse, you know, I'm at a horse to a
horse can sense your fear you're afraid.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
To get on him.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
He's going to know that, or she's gonna know that
what you're on you're riding, and they just animals are
like we are too. Sometimes you'll send something about something
that's your intuitiveness, which we're all born with, sometimes have
more than others. And I think if you sense fear,
you should pay attention to it, but.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Don't let it overwhelm you. Don't let it can tell you.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Sure you know one thing I'll tell you this very quickly.
I was at Colorado and I've always wanted to go
to the Rocky Mountains. Now I'll send you later on.
I would love to get your opinion. I didn't even
think about doing this, but when I went up there
with some friends, they do a lot of you know,
sasquatch and investigation things of this issue. We found some

(25:11):
type of it looked to me like a hut, like
almost like a tpee kind of a thing. But here's
what was so odd. The roots of a tree. This
tree was lifted from its roots. There was no axe marks.
No one cut this tree down. Something lifted this tree
from the ground, from its very I have it on video,

(25:33):
this very the roots and then planted like it looked
like a tpee kind of a shelter. And I looked
everywhere for maybe where an axe mark. I couldn't find anything. Nothing.
It just something heavy, big lifted these tree limbs, well
big tree limbs, and then made kind of like a

(25:54):
tp looking hut kind of a thing. Have you seen
anything like that before?

Speaker 4 (25:59):
I have not.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
In is not where I where a camp is. But
Jim Myers here he takes people out on pick good
stuff like that. I don't know if that's who you're
with or not, but he's into that they put in Bailey,
Colorado and anyway, he's uh uh they see stuff like that. Uh,
that's inhuman. I mean, what when you see a tree

(26:21):
like that? You see some of them are just planted
upside down. Just pick him up and put them on
the ground upside down. How they do that? Wow?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
It takes tremendous force.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, a lot of force, a lot of manipulating of energy.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, I will, I will if I can fight, because
I know when I went out, this was like four
or five years ago. I went there and I'm thinking, boy,
this is just this was because I'm never I've never
seen anything ever in my life like that before. So
that was pretty all. I'd love to send that to you.
Let me ask you a question. So, your recordings often
refer to as the Sierra Sounds have fascinated and I

(26:57):
would even say haunted some listeners. So what was your
first reaction upon hearing these eerie vocalizations.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Well, a little spooky, and again you don't know what
they're going to do. So my first reaction is, well,
we all got our guns in our hands, we're ready.
So that's obvious because we don't know what we're.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Dealing with and you don't know if they're going to
attack you or not.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Because that's that's how it was in the seventies, early seventies,
because this went on from seventy one through seventy six
with us the close end stuff, and after that just
odd all stuff would happened, but the close end stuff
after we had to shoot a bearon camp. That's apart camp.
So yeah, anyway, it's I think you want to hear
me say something about fear, but I really learned to

(27:42):
control that up there, and that's I think just the
core of why I had so much interaction with them
because they knew I didn't. I wasn't going to shoot
up them because they know fear. I think we need
to know who we are as humans. I was raised Christian,
and I know who I am. I know that nothing's
going to hurt me without being okay. I mean, if

(28:02):
I die, I'm okay. So I don't like to say
that lot too much like it's but I uh, I
just I think it's important that everybody knows who they
are and what image they're made, and how important you
are as a human being on this planet, and that's
what all this has led me to the Bigfoot stuff,
because if they are part human, I think we need

(28:23):
to understand what we are is in my opinion, I've
studied now got into UFOs because I did see UFO
up there one time when this bigfoot stuff was going on,
and it's just huge coming down, a big blue ball
coming down and lost it behind the trees and never
see it again. But it was just that's the connection
that I believe. And you get into ancient texts like

(28:48):
our Bible and the if you're going into Mesopotamia.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
I don't know if you want to get off on
that right now or not.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's it's it's very interesting. Now this Marian has got
upgraded so quick quote unquote Ananochy, but that's another story.
But it goes way back, and I think Bigfoot was
made in the image of them and they created but
the Ananochy, as you know, you may not know, but
most people do that they were called the sky people,

(29:17):
the people from the sky. Even the Satans called the
Shining One. So I'm sorry, Jim.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
No, no, it's all right.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
I've just been off on this stuff because it leads
me into some very etherical and I appreciate that. I
really appreciate you having on that because things important for
people to understand that. The reason I encountered my bigfoot
stuff and been around the world studying this stuff is
because of my interest in what we are and what
we're doing here on Earth and why they can't find bones.

(29:51):
You want know that, Well, it gets into I get
into the science part of that, how that works, and
why they can't find why of these things don't just die?
Or how do we know they don't die?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, you know, I'm curious. Tell us, I'm really curious.
How do you Okay, so you're out in the woods
and yeah, and you say you control your fear, but
I guess Rod. My question is is when you're hearing
these vocalizations and it's late at night, you're in the woods,
and yes, okay, yet you have a weapon to protect yourself,
and that's that's great. But when you hear these things,

(30:24):
these vocalizations, how how are you able to People ask
me the same question when it comes to demons or possession.
You know, when I go into it as an exorcist,
when I work a possession case, there has no fear
and my first case there certainly was because it was
a different experience. I read about what could happen. But
then when you walk into a situation with someone who's possessed,

(30:45):
it's a different world, and so and you learn to
kind of compartmentalize that fear. Is that the same way
with you? How do you control that fear knowing in
fact that you're in the woods with a very large
creature that either want you to go away or perhaps
maybe could be aggressive, maybe maybe nefarious. How are you

(31:06):
able to compartmentalize your fear and control it?

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Well, it's knowledge. I knew they hadn't eaten the other guys,
you know, the Johnson brothers, that they didn't get harmed.
They got out okay, and we all went back. Nothing happened.
I mean I said, nobody got eaten or carried away.
But this sounded very aggressive, as you'll hear in a
few minutes, very very We don't know if it's territorial

(31:30):
or maybe they were fighting with each.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Other because there was more than one there.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
In fact, I had another language listened to these years later,
one of only ten certified in California, the called court
report or court interpreter, and several languages are perfect hearing.
She listened to him, and she said, that's a male
and a female fighting. And just let all the ladies
out there know the female one.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
This female one.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
That's what she said.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
That's funny, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
But yeah, when you when you know there, they haven't
heard anything yet, and you know they were coming with
the food we left out and h messing with us.
I say messing with this because we thought we were
studying them. They were studying us really, and they were
trying to communicate and.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Be I don't know whatever, but they were.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well the first time, you know, it was the aggressive sounds.
Just jarry a little, but I gotta say that just
But we did have guns, big guns, and that gives
you a certain amount of security too. But you're right,
when you walk around on the woods and you see
a bear, well, I went up there with a crypto
Linguisy wanted to try to corroborate some more sounds for

(32:43):
his work, and and uh, there's a bear right there
out in the metal bias, and where's the gun on,
there's the gun, where's the gun? Here's gonna shoot at you.
We're get ready to shoot, I know, you're gonna do that,
Just wait and see what happens there. I had the
bottom of a backpacking where we're walking, and finally it
smell this and went the other way. But you know,

(33:05):
most people want to shoot or hurt something they don't understand.
That's one of the reason we have warters today. I
think there's a fighting over Rebecca's willom. You know, when
Heroin came out and the other one didn't.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
That's true, that's true. What let me ask you real
quickly obviously, you know, for those of you who don't
know this story. Albert Austman, he was a Canadian prospector,
claimed in nineteen twenty four to have been kidnapped and
even held captive by a sa Sasquatch family for six
years of six days sorry in British Columbia. A lot
of people think it's an antidote, so's but it's you know,

(33:39):
the event. He claimed to have been abducted in the
middle of the night while prospecting in British Columbia, and
he stated that he was helped captive by a family
of Sasquatches. They wouldn't let him leave. He described being
held for about six days and Eventually he was able
to escape the Sasquatch return to civilization, and he spoke
about his experience in the nineteen seventy two film Bigfoot,
Man or Beast. You would know based on this story.

(34:04):
Do you think this is just a story or do
you think there's any type of credibility in it.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
I think it's credibility in it.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
He was paid after nineteen twenty four, but he was
interviewed by John Green, who was a biquit researcher in
Canada in nineteen to fifties early and in John Green's
book Gapes among Us, he mentioned that Albert Housin said
they were chattering amongst themselves. They're talking to each other
in the big Whits where there was a male dominant
male that carried off and then a female and two

(34:32):
adolescents there in this bowl. Like I flipped there. I'm
a pilot too, and I had air plane and flip
there with a couple of the researchers looking for that bowl,
Toby Inlet, and that was nineteen ninety six, it was,
and anyway it was.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
We could not find the bowl.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
So my assessment was after we all studied and talked
about it and I slow fly over that area for
a long long time looking for that. But what I
don't think he was in Toba Inlet. That I meant
that to John Green, who's now passed away. Everybody's dying
and noticed that lately by my age anyway. Uh, And
he he said, no, he wasn't lying us. I don't

(35:12):
think he's lying. I think he's just maybe mistaken. But
his detailed account of how he got out of there
just fits with a lot of stuff that's along that.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Trail, along the way where he came out and all that.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
But there's a lot of inlets up there, a lot
of inlets, and uh, it's really a beautiful country. And
I've been up there quite a bit and since then too.
But it's just something to think about. But yeah, I
think he was He's credible in what he was saying.
He just may have been mistaken about Toba Inlet or
or he was carried a lot further than what he
thought he was. Oh wow, he was carried. He was

(35:44):
carried for hours and uh, he was.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Really hurting when he let down the in the.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Bowl as a tenant or bowl, he said, But the
biggest thing I took out of that was they were chattering,
because that's just what these things were doing up there
to Sierra Camp, was chattering.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
And then you know, the.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Sounds of your player are just a little more personality
to them. They don't aggressiveness and stuff like that, but
they do just chatter amongst themselves, and it's a real
high speed chatter. In fact, the crypto linguists had to
slow it way down. That's how he does to transcribe
a language or code or something like.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
That, and had him vented very well by the.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Foreign Language Institute where you graduated two times from there.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
And so, okay, so you believe that there's some credibility here, yes,
all right, So let me ask you then, and of
course we're going to play the sound bites in just
a second. Someone did ask there's some great questions, and
let's see, Donna is asking, do you think are there
bigfoots all over the United States or are there just

(36:46):
certain states that you have found that they're more prone.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
That's a good question. They seem to be everywhere. I'm
in North Carolina right now, and there's big that's been
seen around here in the ri Forrest several places. Patrolman
actually report one here not too long ago across the road,
and yes they're back here, but more prevalent. It seems
like the dog man, which is like a werewoof type,

(37:14):
being that I've never seen one of those or head
encounters with it, but I've been taken to where they're
suppose a hat and a lot of reports of those
around here being seen. But bigfoot, yeah, they're seen and.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
All over.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
You know, I said more prevalent than in the Pacific Northwest,
but that might be because we're encroaching more and more
people are getting on in the woods looking around and
seeing these things by accident or whatever. So who knows
how many there are, but there has to be quite
a few for the breeding population.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Sure. And now Alex is asking, is Bigfoot similar to
the Yeti or the Russian Alma or sasquatch? Are they
basically all in the same or how does that if
you could explain that, it's a good question.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, well it is. But Sarey's we're a DNA O
something like that, which we've gotten a couple.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
But into the community.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
The academic here is food food them down. But two
DNA studies have been done that I believe in, and
one of them was doctor Ketchum in Texas. She did
a DNA study on several and she found a human
medicondria DNA which is the paternal side to be partially human,
and of course academia said, well, that has to be contaminated.

(38:22):
She swears, I'm done. It wasn't contamina that she handled.
It had all the records and everything, So I think
she's going to be exonerated from that. But the academic
just won't accept anything that's not in their gene bank
of turning twice had a billion samples, you know, and
then you got one from some of the country. I
got her name right now, but she's a geneticis that
went up to the Himalayas and they seventeen thousand feet

(38:44):
they found some human humanoid tracks, you know, any tracks
of what they think it was. Because they took some
E DNA, which environmental DNA out of it. The medicondra
came back to saving as Ketcher said, human in the medicondra,
which is the female side. So the question there is
what's the male counterpart? And that's where that's where people
get into biblical cross you know, crossing over the celestial beings.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Falling ones.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Let's call them falling ones.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
So let's get into this one conversation that I'd like
to maybe play a a one of the sound bites. Okay,
you know, people, this is inevitable. People always ask, well,
if Bigfoot truly exists, we would at least find bones.
So I am my own, you know, perhaps my theory.

(39:34):
Tell me if this is absolutely absurd, because I'm not
an expert in bigfoot, how do we know that they
don't bury their dead?

Speaker 3 (39:40):
So I mean something else? Yeah, nature cleans itself up.
I mean, I've run across the carcasses of a deer,
a bear run across deer, you go a couple of
years later and you don't see any sign of it.
The rats get the barrel of the bone. It just
goes down from the crows to the whatever. I ran

(40:02):
up on a bear one time. It was carcass and
you don't want to go too close to that. But
he shot off, and you know, I went by there
a year later and there was still some bones there.
A year later after that, any bones there. So that's
one answer. And the other answer from native lore is

(40:22):
that they do take care of their own because there
is a human component to them. But they're all all
the same. I got to tell you this, They're not
all the same. A lot of them have been diluted down,
in my opinion, with a crossbit with indigenous people over
the eons of time.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
I think they were here prior.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
To homost apiens. I believe that because I believe adiens
had been coming here for a long, long, long, long
long time, and they'd messed with the general different species
on this planet. And I think Bigfoot is a product
of the Trugo rights being a crossbed with are.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Call them alien?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
The Bible calls them fallen angels? O who did? I guess?

Speaker 2 (41:08):
So let me how many A lot of people talk
about like a telepathic or even a spiritual level. How
do you explain the connection that some people claim to
have with Bigfoot on a telepathic or even a spiritual level.
Have you experienced anything like this yourself, especially telepathic. A
lot of people that I've spoken to so that they've
seen a Bigfoot, that they had this telepathic experience.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Have you had that, reather James, No, I haven't. However,
I think we all have that ability. We all have
that in our genes at our DNA, our telemeres have
been cut down, so we're only live one hundred and
twenty years now. Men used to live a lot lot longer,
as you know, and we have been manipulated. And some

(41:50):
people if you're on the right frequency, and I say this,
not like it's kind of like a radio, I guess,
but I think they sent you frequency and if they can,
they can tune into that. So that is a lot
of people are telepathic now. In fact, we all are
if we just learned how to reach to it and
clean up our opinion of the languages inside our head
and get that connected to the heart, which it is.

(42:10):
And your heart has its own brain, and you were
cuitcoed by our heart's feelings. That's a gut feeling that
you get that has to be in coherence with the
brain that's setting up on your head setting a putty shoulders.
Just it's been conditioned. We've all been conditioned by one
thing or another from the time of birth. And until
you get out of that box of conditioning and realize

(42:31):
there's so much more going on that you don't see,
you don't we're Trainingtonian physics and N'etonian physics says everything
is measurable, predictable, and and you've got to see it
and it's just not that way. It's not material and
not everything is. You find out in quantum science, which

(42:52):
has just came about in nineteen eighteen when Max pog
got the Nobel Prize for quantum Mechanics. We're working with
sixteen eighty seven stuff, which we have to because we're
in our third density. These things live in third density
when they're on this planet, and they it gets deep, deep,
deep deep. But it's really fun. And I warned you

(43:15):
about this the day we talked you, did you did?
I have to get into how much more exists that
we don't see, field or touch or than our five
senses just don't allow us. That's where people are seeing
these ball things. There goes some demons and things like that.
They're out there, they're around us now, we just don't
see them in our third density. There are eleven different

(43:36):
dimensions that they save the mathematically have worked out, businesses
have and if you get out of this third dimension
that we're in, and that's our goal here on this
planet is to is to get out of this third
dimension and get into heaven, if you want to call
it that and that is outside this third density, which
is on a linear time scale, and we just have to,

(43:57):
I think, reach out and open up our head and
realize how much more is happening out there that we
need to understand.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
And delve in.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
And everybody do their own homework, and I know what's
going on.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
So let me let me ask you a question. So if,
in fact, if we say the Bigfoot exists in let's
say a fifth dimension or another dimension, then we then
how is it that they're able to manipulate the dimensions
and interact with us and we're not able to do
the same, or are we?

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I'm so glad you asked that question. That's what I
was going to lay up too. Okay, all right, here
it is. Einstein said prior to nineteen thirty three that
matter and energy are interchangeable. Okay, doctor Paul Durak in
nineteen thirty three, you got the Noble price for antimatter.

(44:47):
That's matter and energy interchanging, just like Issight said, and
he got the mathematical equation right. Everything worked, and they
can't disprove it. However, they did prove it through certain
in twenty twelve, when the hydra collide it's a particle
off and it turned into energy. They can sense energy
so certainty, right, and so that's how he heard these people.

(45:09):
I've interviewed people for years, and some very credible people
say they saw them disappear, just flake out. And then
I hear other people say, hey, the trackway just stopped,
like I picked up a helicopter or something. Well, no,
what happens. They have found the frequency. They know the
frequency it takes to change their matter into energy, and
that will cause their density to stop. They will live

(45:30):
a trackway anymore. That will cause them to get out
of your visual perspective. We only see within one under
and thirty and seven terrors. That is the frequency of
our light. Without light, you don't see, and that's all
these other frequencies are out there, but we don't see them.
Animals sometimes can see better than we can. They'll see
the error about people. They'll see the energy around people.
That's called the aura, and just a lot going on that.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
I've been doing this for fifty years, trying to reach
reach to the bottom of it. And it's not a
big rabbit hole, but it's fun and that's exciting to me,
and it's why I'm here today talking to you because
otherwise I wouldn't be. And it's already I'm still I
was twenty nine when it started. I'm in my eighties now,
and it just it just gets me excited every time
I talk people.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
So how do we? How do we? How do we?
How are we going to perceive the fifth dimension?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Then?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Because if we're or of our dimension, like for example,
if bifold exists in a particular dimension and they're able
to obviously integrate with our third dimensional existence, how there
can how can we in fact enter theirs? How do
we know?

Speaker 3 (46:30):
You have to find the frequency. I think it's in
the Gama state of our awareness. We're in the beta
state now, talking understantly. I think then you go into
the alpha state, data state, and the delta state of sleep.
But if you get into the higher, higher frequency, the
Gama state, you'll get that intuittess that everything about everything,

(46:53):
you'll know. It's just I think it's how well matter,
an energy interchangeable is plot them fact now, And that's
how I think miracles are done, and that's how I
think things can happen. But you've got to do that
through meditation. You have to balance your your heart with
your brain, and you got to that's what the chacras
are about. It gets into all this other stuff.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Too, but it's.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Really how you do it, and I work on it
all the time. But I think a lot of people meditate,
and prayer is one thing prayers asking for something. Meditation
is when you're ready to receive something that you got
to open up your pinion bland, which we would be
calcifying with our diets, so.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
We've got to learn how to clean that up with
our diet.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
So very very interesting. Well, a lot of people would.
Actually I have spoken to some people who do remote viewing
and they say that when they do the remote viewing,
it's a form of meditation to where they enter another
dimension or existence as you will. So perhaps maybe that's
the only way that we can do because we're corporal beings, and.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
So I think it is.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, okay, let me so let's get into let's talk
about our first item that you want us to play
so that everyone can hear it, because you think you
say that they're First of all, I listened to these
they're amazing these sound bites. Which SoundBite would you like
for me to play? First?

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Well? Yeah, I think you've got the aggressive ones. Okay,
we had had early on and very good study what
you're doing.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
So we're gonna here's what we're going to do.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
And well, someone is asking two questions very quickly, and
then we'll play these uh uh these these sound bites.
The first question is a lot of people claim that
there is some type of smell that kind of like
a dog smell, if you will, for bigfoot. Some people
claim that, and then another person asking from your perspective,
what do they eat?

Speaker 3 (48:39):
I never, as far as eating goes, they can eat
anything we do.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
As far as the smell goes, we didn't have the
smell around them. They were really close to us at
times up there. It was inside the shelter. We should
have smelled things when we didn't. Uh. So I can't say.
I can't say they all smell bad because what we
were dealing with and they had a big foot.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Again on not all these things are the same. Someone
may have that ability like a skunk to throw it all,
or someone just may not ever get a lake or
something shower.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah, fair enough. So there that's a great that's a great,
great question. Great question. So okay, So the first soundite
we're going to play is called the one on one
Aggressive Display, So if you can just set that up
for us.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, that came from Albery, the reporter we took hand
who fostered the analysis of the University of Iona. Actually,
and this is not considered a language. It's it's just
it's aggressive. What I'm thinking about. It's it's just chest beating,
like a big gorilla or something. And that's what it
sounded like. Because they are probably got some of that datum.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Well, here it is. This is the one on one
aggressive display. Here it is. Everybody, Okay, what on earth

(50:07):
did we just listen.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
To some very big, very powerful and I don't know
what you're listening to something?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, I mean that's so very I mean because yeah,
that's uh, that's what you sent that. Uh yeah it's
and and by the way, these are on cassettes and
so when when you had them reviewed and uh, you know,
the people listen to it, they clearly just there's nothing fake,
there's no nothing. I mean, let's play it one more time.

(50:39):
So everybody, So again, this is one of when I
say it's one on one, this is what Ron labeled them.
As so that way it helps him know it. So
it's one on one aggressive display.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
They may have been arguing over the food.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Wow, okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
We hope that's what they were arguing over.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
And you and you say that this was actually reviewed
by someone obviously who is does linguistic uh training. This
individual he was a Navy crypto linguist.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Right, that was that was not considered language right there.
That was just an aggressive display. But the electronical engineer
University of Wyoming is who actually set it him for
qualities to make sure they weren't speeded up, slow down
or any six or cyclehom or anything wrong with them
if they were original. That's why Alberry said his end
because we're all recording at the time, so there's more

(51:56):
more redundancy. But that's that's the best one. And okay,
it comes out better. I've got that on a CD
in his story on my website.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
All right, And we have the next that's labeled that
you sent is it's labeled one O four whistle exchange.
So would you would you like to set that up
for us?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Yeah, that's this is a whistle. They whistle through their
vocal cavity, not not through their lips like we do.
You'll hear a human whistling in the background, but then
you'll hear the bigfoot whistle, which is different. That's been
studied by also by the sound engineer.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Okay, that's so it's a whistle exchange.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Okay, cool.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Yeah, h so that r R that's that's actually it responding.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yes, okay, let's play this again. So the whistle you
hear the regular the right that he's that Ron is saying.
So let's write one more time. Assume that's human.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
No, no, that's human right there.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Okay, is the first is the first whistle human?

Speaker 3 (53:12):
No, the first whistle is the one that is the creature.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Wow, okay, and then the second whistle that's human. Okay,
let's try this again. Yes, that's the creature.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Yeah, okay, cool.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Creature.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, that's human. Uh huh okay, I'm that is a
massive creature. That is that is putting that that that
sound out?

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yes, yeah, that was Warren. The micro was up closer
to the creature that that sound was kind of from
the shelter. That was Warren Johnson whistling back and trying
to talk to it.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
And okay, all right, so we have about the Apollo question.
I believe that's the name of Apolla question.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, that's that's that's me. It's going to be made
from two years nineteen seventy.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
Four, I think it was a couple of years later,
and they were.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Communicating with me. They were outside this We were outside
the shelter, me and my friend Bill McDow. We packed
some supplies and the horses and mules, and they knew.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
We were there. They knew we were going, and.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
They were hiding until dusk, and then all of a
sudden they started making their whooping sounds and their rock
clocking and tree pounding and stuff like that. And we
learned from past just to ignore them if we can,
and then we're coming closer. But this is the first
time they really started messing with us while we were
outside the shelter. And this was quite an eventful night.

(54:50):
This is not I saw one too.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
By the way, And is this in the Apollo question?
The one we're about the plate was that in North
Carolina or this sierra?

Speaker 3 (54:56):
This is all? This is in Sieres, all this.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
In the sies. Okay, so let's play this one, everybody.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah that.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
So that whooping thing, that whop what was that them
or is it communicating?

Speaker 3 (55:33):
That's them? I was, I was whooping back. I was
trying to mimic them. And uh, actually it went on
prior to that. There's a lot of whooping sounds that
were messaged. I think they message each They're back and
forth whooping sounds, the intonations to them. But now that's
how they end up too. They'll start whooping back from
something that'll be gone. And uh, yeah, that was a

(55:55):
big night. Uh we're outside the shelter and that's I
saw one, sort of bill saw one?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Describe what they look like? You have to do. So
you saw one, So did please describe? What did this
bigfoot look like?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Okay, I could not describe it close enough. It was
there was running. First of all, it was a big samurai.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Cry they called it.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
There had a big cry out behind us. And he
went down to where we think there was a male
and a female down below by the creek. And he
goes whipping through the trees real fast, real fast. And
he was probably nine foot tall. I I'm destined at
that because it was dusk. It was it was not
dark yet, but one light either, you know what I mean.

(56:38):
And we think the young one down there. This is
my opinion that the young one down there was getting
a little bold, and the mother here some other recordings.
I got how the mother was coming down on it.
And I think that the male male was which shows
up behind us. Was That's why I went down there
to stop. He just put the I got that record

(57:00):
in my second seat. He actually called a big little Actually, no,
it's in my book. I got a link in my
book Voices and Wilderness that takes you to that sound.
When I tell you about it, you see the context
of it all.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Does it look? I mean, have you ever seen one
at least close to the face?

Speaker 3 (57:18):
No, No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
No.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I've seen a lot of pictures and a lot of
people say that there's one and a lot of drawings,
but I've never seen one until they come in, and
we was hoping that would take place up there, but
it never took place. The next night the Johnson brothers
came in and Louis Johnson he was.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Up there to hunt. And you know, by.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Nineteen seventy four it was good on as nervous because
you couldn't like trying to nail Jones the wall. You
could you couldn't get ahead of them. It started to
trick them or whatever you do, you lay food out,
you do all that stuff, and they just figured out
a way to get it or whatever, trick anything. And
he's got real when they started doing that, will be
are coming in again, like the night before with Bill

(58:02):
and I. Well, Lewis got up and I've just arriving
the flashlight and he started to shine his light out
there and he was going to shoot one and that
was it.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
They didn't know.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
That's what it's any more of that whole trip. And
that was seventy four and it wasn't until seventy six
till we had an encounter again. I'm not sure. I
don't think m's happening in seventy five, but that kind
of cooled it all down. Really, you don't shine white
lightsnse these things. The thing that blinds them a little

(58:32):
bit like it does us. Their eyes eyeballs are probably
four times bigger than ours, and they probably collect more
light in the daytime of starlight, so they could see
better at night.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
And do you think the Patterson film do you think
that was legitimate?

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Okay, fair enough, all right, So and this next sound
we have B disagreement or would you rather do talk
to us?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Oh, disagreement? Talk to us to be the last one.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Okay, so B disagreement? Can you set that up for us?

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Well?

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I maybe just two. I'm chattering amongst himself. Who's a
first or did you find this all on pepper? I
don't know there it.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Is h.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
M m m.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
M m.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
And I want to say this again. Let me again, folks.
I I think it needs to be stressed because there's
always going to be those naysairs. The cassette tapes were
a sad a professor of Electrical Engineering, University of Wyoming
as not being altered in any way, and the vocalizations
they were recognized as a true language by a Navy
crypto linguist who is trained to describe and look for

(01:00:09):
deceptiveness and sound. There was no deceptiveness found. And that's
I don't know how that's how close were you when
you recorded that particular SoundBite?

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Oh, and there he was probably.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Fifty seventy five the way maybe yards, probably fifty yards
that were No, that's too far. Uh went past our
the moment that we had the hole dug down there,
and that was probably about sixty eight feet, Yeah, sixty
feet fete.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
And the last sound bite we have is talk to us.
Can you set that up for use?

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Yeah, that's that's well, that's when I first got our
recorder out and Bill, Bill, So you think they're trying
to talk to us, because they were. It's quite a
back and forth with me and these things that night,
and uh, Bill, uh, you'll hear us talking about it,
but then you hear them saying something to me and
then be trying to mimic them back, which again we

(01:01:12):
didn't know what we're even within time. We still thought
they were a big hairy.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Ape out there, and uh they are. They're bigger than hairy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
But they're more than just an ape. They're they're a
type of entity that we all should try to understand
and not to shooting things. We don't understand a lot
of people out there trying to shoot one bag of
the money. Yeah, but that's we got criticized. We're not
shooting one just to bring it in for science. Well,
that's in our opinion, ridiculous. You don't shoot something, especially
now of we kind out that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
They well in Native America called them, they call.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Them they're big brothers. You know, they recognize them as
as humans or as people. And I told people years
ago he just treated them like like a Native American
that that don't want to be found in the woods.
Well you know, you'll have better results and be calm being.
And I give that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Uh, and so this is uh, this has talked to
us everybody. Hyah okay that that honestly, God, that sounds

(01:02:28):
primate to me. I mean when that's let's try this again,
little one more time. That's them. Let's be right, Yeah,
that's your way. It's interesting because when you when you

(01:02:52):
respond to them, they seem like they got really energized
as soon as so you'll you'll hear that the first
time and then the second time. So it's so and
then you have you heard Ron.

Speaker 6 (01:03:02):
So let's say this, that's the big Foot. That's Bigfoot,
that's Ron.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
That's the way I should do that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I mean that really that sounds there. Look at minimum,
that sounds primate. At minimum.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Oh, they're privates. We're all privates. But that's that's really
they are privates.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I mean that the ending sounds to me like you
know that you like you would hear from something like
a Chippanzee you know, kind of like that type of
energetic you know what I mean. I guess, like, for example,
this very ending part here, let me play the way
I should do well, I'm the this part here the

(01:03:57):
way I should do That's interesting, That really is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I got a lot of it. I mean, there's a
lot more on my second CD. It's my story and
I narrated and I play the sounds and tell you
the story. In the book Voices and Wilderness. I actually
have twenty six sound bites in there which you can download,
and I hear the sound when you get to the
context of the story. It's my chronicle really of doing this.
And then that's my website, runmarnhead dot com. But the

(01:04:27):
Contident Good is the second book I wrote it It
talks about the mysteries. And then the third book, which
you mentioned earlier, The Big that Unveil, gets a little
bit deeper into what I think about AI and a
lot of things. Trees got my thoughts on all that stuff,
But it's just my thought. Everybody has a choice to
believe it. I believe I really am here to tell

(01:04:50):
people what I've experienced.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
In what I think I know and what I do know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
For sure me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Has there ever been any evidence that you would know so?
But that obviously besides the sound bites that we played,
But has there ever been any evidence that has been
presented where in your opinion, it's irrefutable that these things,
that these bigfoot exists without question.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
I don't think anything like these tapes that have been
I mean, people will criticized them, but then they follow
right back, I go right back into the science on him.
You know, we've got the I've got the reports, and
people people can't debunk them because they're not demucable that
you get people.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Joe Rogan, he says, oh he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Well, he's fallen more into it now because he don't
know what to do with it. I was almost very
scheduled to be on his program one time, but I
didn't like his bullshit meter at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Fair enough, that's fair, that's fair. I think now he'd
be more open to it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Yeah, I think he would be. He's a smart guy. Yeah,
he decided I wouldn't do his homework to start with it.
I think maybe he's looking into it a little bit anyway.
Scott Nelson in the Crypto Linguist, he's been on this
years ago, he didn't be Hell, if he believes it,
then Chris, you know he has had some controversy there

(01:06:08):
because he's he's as a podcaster, right sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Well, and again folks, I encourage, strongly encourage you. Look,
if you want to go and you truly want to
learn about Bigfoot and learn from a person who has
over fifty years experience actually investigating and in the woods,
then look, forget the YouTube all that other stuff that's off.
You need to go to Ron moore head site and

(01:06:35):
you need to purchase the book from the man who's
actually in the field, who's been in the field, who
has all this evidence. That's where you need to find,
not people. Anybody can watch a documentary and then go
on social media and regurgitate what they saw. That doesn't
make him an expert. The fact is is Ron is
actually out there. He was out there, he's done the investigations,

(01:06:55):
he's done the legwork. And everybody who goes on social
media to regurgiz a big are people who actually read
his books and the documentaries he's been on and then
pretend to be experts in this field. Well, go to
Ronmoorhead dot com, Ronmoorhead dot com Uh. It's an absolute
fantastic site. There are books you can certainly purchase, and

(01:07:17):
you can listen. Don't forget. He has the CDs UH
where you can actually listen to the more a lot
more sound bites.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
UH.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
This is just a tease, just a small teaser if
you want to. If you were to uh as far
as the closing, closing thought, if you were to uh
leave people with one thought about sasquatch, bigfoot, whatever it
might be, what would it be here it is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
I'm so glad Jasmine, I'm so glad you on your
program to see. My thought is this, and what I
lead up to in all my presentations is know who
you are as a human being and know how to
reach those other parts of who you really are with
the gam frequencies. I think that's how miracles are gone.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
And we talked about that earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
How how once you raise your personal elevation, your personal frequency,
you will get out of this their density. And that's
I believe, how you graduate from this world we're in.
If you don't learn something from this life. It's all
about experiences, our experiences here. It's not the experience as
much as it is how you respond to the experience.

(01:08:29):
If we learn to respond to all our experience with
love and compassion, and don't be a victim of anything,
because you're here to learn. If you didn't learn, you're
gonna have to learn at some time in some place.
And I wasn't raised to believe in reincarnation. I'm sure
a lot of people you're listening here don't either, but
I do now because it's called multiple embodiments. And if

(01:08:50):
you've got to learn some here or somewhere else, you've
got to have to learn how to love and treat
people with compassion. And until we learn how to do that,
you're never going to get out of this their density.
And that's why we should all be graduating too.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
And you can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
You can do it in this lifetime. You can. You
can get up into the fifth dimension.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
And how do you do that? How do you increase
your frequency in order to obtain the fifth dimension that
you're referring to?

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Meditation? Learn how to listen to your heart, let it
take over your brain and staid, let your brain talk
you out of everything analytically.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
And do you have any type of advice as far
as where people would go in order to do this.
Do you offer any form of meditation CDs or.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
No, I don't offer that, but there's a lot of
programs on it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
You know, you can find it all over the TV.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
You can just look for the hurts, you know, the
four p thirty two hurts, five twenty eight hurts. And
listen to chakra music, listen to things that calm you down,
or don't listen to anything. Just be quiet and be
trying to receive things and not ask for things so much.
Not wrong to ask for things, because we make our future.
I think by asking. However, I think we just have

(01:10:03):
to learn to listen more. We have two years one
mouth very good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Well, Ron, I want to thank you very very much
for spending this time with us and being so generous
and giving your time and everybody. I encourage you. Make
sure you go to Ron Moorehead. That's they're putting all
in the chat Rodmorehead dot com, go to his website,
certainly purchase the books, and also I would strongly encourage
you to get the CDs. Look, you're going to be

(01:10:28):
able to actually hear fifty years of the best of
the best that he's got. And what I really like,
what you have is it's not just somebody who's just
oh yeah, I went out there and got the woods. No,
you have doctor Philip Lieberman. He's a professor of cognitive
linguistic sciences, and he's made it very clear that they're

(01:10:51):
not been tampered with in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
And you also have you know, an individual who is
an expert in you know, linguistic science. If you will say, yes,
this is this is a former language.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Well doctor Lieberman actually just said only humans can make
a language. So that's where I put it together with
these things have to have a human component to absolutely,
because doctor Curlin did the report on how it has
been manipulated. But anyway, I really appreciate you, yeah, brother James,
and I appreciate being on and and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
So well, thank you so much, and I'll send you
an email a little bit later thanking you, and and
I certainly appreciate your time and you have a great,
great night. Thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
I am blessed beyond compare. Thank you so much. You
take care all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Right, everybody. Well that was our friend Ron Ron Morehead.
I tell you what that's It's not often that you get,
you know, somebody like this with his expertise, his experience
on you know, a show. I mean, that's kind of
nice that he did that. So we certainly do think
him very very much well on the chat on for

(01:12:00):
everybody on TikTok and hopefully that will stay. If not,
we'll just simply try to turn to sub chat back on.
But anyway, it's Ronmorehead Ronmorehead dot com. Uh, that is
the website. I've been to his website. It is in
It's just incredible. There's a lot of information and you know,

(01:12:22):
I think when you have guests on like this that
clearly have established themselves and not only that, but established
the sound whites that he has. I mean, really, so
this is this sounds primate to me, that's primate. That's

(01:12:48):
then I'm imitating it. That really that to me, it's honestly,
it sounds like it's like a chimpanzee kind of they get,
you know what I mean, that's pretty amazing. So it's
in the Sierra Sierra Mountains, you know, you're not supposed

(01:13:10):
to have, you know, and it forms as far as
the gorillas or chimpanzees, but there's something there there. I
think that at least even if people can say, well,
I don't believe in it. We can at least agree
there is something there and it sounds certainly primate to me.

(01:13:33):
I don't know. I just don't know. See when you
go out, when you go out in bigfoot hunting, if
you will, you're dealing with the elements there and I
don't know. Let me share it. I'm gonna share with everybody.
As a matter of fact, let me see if I
can do this. I'm gonna try. I might be able
to upload this on for those of you are on

(01:13:56):
all the other social media, I can show it to
those my friends here. But I'm gonna try to see
if I can do this and upload the video so
I can show you guys. And then while I'm showing
you guys, I can play it on my friends on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
This is the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
This is one what we saw when we were at
the Rocky Mountains and I saw this thing and when
you see it, it is really impressive. And this is
what I was talking about about the roots. It was
taken up by the roots. And there's no question that
this thing. No human being could have done this, no way,

(01:14:32):
because there are number there are no axe marks. So
let me pull this up here and see if I
can get this working, because if I can, then I'm
going to play this for everybody, and I also everything
wants to expand hold on, let me see if I
can get this working. So bear with me while I'm
trying to work on this, and let me close this out. Okay,

(01:14:57):
hold on, because I'm going to actually go to do
and now so everybody can see it. How do I
do this with here? Okay? Videos, bear with me, er body,
er body. I want to make sure I get the
right one because while I'm showing my friends on kg
r dB radio and everywhere else, I'm gonna be playing

(01:15:19):
this at the same time with you guys, So then
try to match it up as much as I can.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
So let me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Well, where is it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Fifty seven? There you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
I think it's fifty seven seconds? Yep, there it is, okay, okay,
so let me share this screen present share screen yep, yep,
you have allow window this there we go, So watch this, everybody.

(01:16:02):
I'm gonna play this for you guys at the same time.
Play it on my friends.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Looks like the shelter and it's very interesting here for shelter.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Look at that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Well, It's very interesting. Is this part like you probably use,
This wasn't chopped. Something very strong had to lift this
up to the ground and place it here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Now that I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
I cannot explain.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Something to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Right up to the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
So this thing, I mean, in my opinion, this was
something very large lifted that thing up. Look, there were
no chop marks to it. It lifted it up by
its roots. I mean, when you guys see this again,

(01:17:26):
let me share it with everybody one more time on
the share screen window. Look at this. I mean, you
clearly see this this thing was Take a picture of
it is easier that way you guys can see it again.
I can't explain that, and I've tried, and I've shown

(01:17:50):
people this. Look at that this was lifted up by
its roots.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
And that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
But the thing is is that when I when I
went around the whole entire thing, it looked like the shelter.
There were bunches of it. That wasn't the biggest one.
There were bigger roots. This tree just lifted up. So
you know, I I've got you know, when you see
something like that, it's like, okay, no human being could

(01:18:22):
have done that that I know, And especially when there's
you can't there's no destruction to the roots. So when
I saw that, that was Okay, this is a pretty cool,
really cool catch and it is so anyway, that is yeah,
I think that's the thing. How big it was a
pretty big shelter. I would say, only me move this again.

(01:18:42):
I moved this so you guys can hear Ron when
I have a special guest for those of you on TikTok,
I moved the microphone that way you guys could hear
them a little bit better. Yeah, there's no no, no, no,
no no. It wasn't winds. The winds. It would have
cracked if it was. If it was the winds, it

(01:19:02):
would have broken the tree, snapped the tree in half.
There was nothing to indicate that it was a wind damage. Nothing.
Something lifted it up from the ground by its roots
and placed it into like this hut. That was That

(01:19:23):
was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
That was That was it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
When I saw that, that was like, Okay, something is
odd here, but yeah, yeah, I do a shame but anyway,
that's that's that. That was my experience with bigfoot. If
you will, I just think when you're when you're investigating Bigfoot,
there are other elements that is frightening to me. Uh,
and that is those are the wild I mean other

(01:19:48):
wild animals in the area. You gotta be careful when
you're going out and investigating and you don't know what's
out there. You gotta be really well. O. Lre Berg,
appreciate you being here. You got to be really here.
I appreciate your calling me young man. I'm older than
you are. Young man. I'm telling you this Gatlinburg guy,
you gotta watch him. You gotta watch that Gatlenburg guy.

(01:20:10):
He does there, there's my friend. Make sure everybody you
follow him. You guys follow him. You follow my friend Gatlinburgh.
There we go, Yeah, we want to follow him. I
love Gatlinburg and he goes live and there you go.
I pend it for you. Make sure you follow him.
He goes alive a lot on Gatlenburg and even Pigeonforde

(01:20:32):
does great videos. Good guy, good guy. Don't tell him
I said that I have a mamma. No, there's a lot.
The thing is with with what Ron had stated, is
there bigfoot seems to be everywhere because and that's the
thing also, I think we got to keep in mind

(01:20:53):
when you have so many people in different cultures and
different regions seeing this bipedal, massive creature. I think you
got to start saying, Okay, something is going on here,
because if it was only one section, one group of people,
you can you can kind of take it with a
grain of salt. But the fact that it's being seen

(01:21:17):
throughout all the entire world, and not only that but
also cultures. Oh, very welcome there, Gettenberg, appreciate you being here. Yeah. Well,
there's a lot of theories as far as what Bigfoot is.
I just here's the deal. You give up for what.
Keep in mind that I have a lot of chats

(01:21:38):
open at this time, a lot of chats. We are
running the show on kgri dB radio, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, Instagram,
rumble and here we have. I have chats everywhere, so yeah,
I don't just run the show on TikTok. This is
just one of the chats of the many different chat
boxes that I have open.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Oh, I mean THEO I liked all the guys. The
guys were great, So okay, so I liked all the guys.
But anyway, that's that's that's a presentation on on Bigfoot.
Something is. I think something is out there. We have
a lot to talk about tonight. I have some really
cool articles that I want to get to. And yeah,

(01:22:25):
just remember, no one is ignoring you. It's just I'm
only one person and I have one two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight nine chats open plus messenger, So I I a
lot of chats, A lot of chats. Okay, yeah, I
don't have one here. Listen to this. T. K. Randall
writes this, and one day I might be going to

(01:22:46):
this place. We never know, absolutely, Dog Campbell, welcome. A
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a UFO hotspot. So Mount Hayes has become synonymous with
reports of UFOs, alien visitors and mysterious disappearances. Situated with

(01:23:07):
a notorious region of unexplained phenomena known as the Alaskan Triangle,
the eight thousand foot peak has long been rumored to
be home to a secretive extraterrestrial facility ever since declassified
CIA files claimed that remote viewing experiments had uncovered a
base there. Whether or not you believe this to be true,

(01:23:30):
there's no denying that Mount Hayes has become something of
a UFO hotspot in recent years, with enthusiasts traveling to
the region, and locals reporting all manner of strange sights
in the sky over the mountain.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
One witness, a former security officer, Jared Augustine, reported being
left shaking in awe after seeing a glowing orb that
split into three separate objects, and after witness a local
named Wilbur reportedly captured footage of a glowing green lane
over the mountain. Perhaps the most shilling of all, however,

(01:24:03):
are the two thousand or so people who have vanished
without a trace in the region surrounding Mount Haze over
the last fifty years. In nineteen seventy two, for example,
the US Majority leader Hailed Bogs was flying from Anchorage
to Juno when his plane disappeared somewhere near the mountain.
Despite an extensive thirty nine day search, the plane was

(01:24:24):
never found. Today, the region remains a popular attraction and
witnesses still reporting strange lights in the sky and other
phenomena they cannot explain now. Whether or not alien bases
is responsible, however, remains a matter of debate, but no
question there are people that are going missing. Now thou
look it's at Alaska. Alaska has massive amounts of woods

(01:24:51):
and trees and you know, dangerous landscaping is oh look,
gotta be careful. So yeah, a lot of people go
to a a lot of people go to this place,
and a lot of people think, yeah, I don't I
don't agree with it. That's okay, Okay. So I'm trying, guys,
I'm trying to read the chat. I'm doing the best

(01:25:12):
I can. I can only read so much. Let's relax, guys.
Just I'm doing the best I can. Okay, Yeah, I
missing plane. Yeah, and and keep in mind, he was,
I mean, this guy, this person who actually went met
for thirty nine days. He was US Majority leader Hail

(01:25:33):
Bogs in nineteen seventy two. So hello, hello, hello, all right,
what was your question, Starla, because well yeah, what was
your question? So anyway, demon song, Yeah, yeah, okay, this

(01:26:00):
is an interesting article that I wanted to present to you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
See what you thought about this. Some of these articles
are like what they did? What you remember the incident?
I mean thirty nine day they obviously I mean he
was a US majority I mean he was, you know,
high ranking political figure, and so you know they it
got attention. Hello, hello, hello, Well this is this is

(01:26:24):
by TK Randall. A man passes away after claiming that
a ghost was trying to unalive him. I know, I
know some of you are like, what in the world, Okay,
Well it's true anyway. A Russian tourist reportedly fell to

(01:26:46):
his death from the ninth floor of a condo in
Thailand earlier this month. So The twenty seven year old
named Mikhail had been staying at a condominium in the
Thailand In the province of the time of the incident,
and according to reports, he had approached the security guard

(01:27:08):
on May the twenty second and told them that he
was being hunted by a terrible ghost with bulging eyes. Well,
after running all over the building, he ultimately passed away
after falling from a ninth floor window. He was completely
out of it, the guard said later said, and he

(01:27:30):
kept saying that a ghost with bulging eyes was chasing
him and trying to unlive him. He was terrified, running
up and down the building like a madman, and that
another resident of the building claimed to have heard his
screams just prior to the fall. He was yelling in
this awful voice, it says, and it was like something
out of a horror film. But until today, he seemed

(01:27:52):
totally normal. As it turned out, however, there was a
very genuine explanation from the man's state of mind. When
police entered his room to a investigate, they discovered that
he had almost certainly been taken illegal substance at the
time that he'd fallen from the building. Quote. We found
no evidence of an altercation or break in, said Deputy
inspector police lieutenant. It appears the victim was hallucinating. That's

(01:28:17):
that is a terrible story, and that you know, that's
why we always when it comes to ghosts or demons
or anything like this, if anyone ever says, look, I
need an exorcism, I always sell them I don't. I
don't perform them on command. That's number one and number two.
If you need an exorcism, we require it's not it's

(01:28:38):
not an it's not an option. We require that the
person has a psychological evaluation. It's non negotiable. And what
bothers me is that I see a lot of people,
a lot of people claim me to be exiorsists and
things of this nature and performing rituals on individuals that
they have no business performing rituals on. Thank you, and

(01:28:58):
one of the things, of course, is performing exorcism on
people who are mentally ill, and that happens a lot,
and I don't. I'm just I find it to be
a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
This is something that you know, people say, well I
need one, Well that's then I don't perform them on command.
Doesn't happen, and it's not ever going to happen. So anyway,
you know people people say that they levitated and all
that other stuff. Look, here's the deal. If I had
a dollar every time someone told me they levitated or
television threat was thrown across the room, I'd be a millionaire.

(01:29:36):
So I've been doing this for twenty five years and
I have twenty one thousand email over twenty one thousand
emails people saying that they you don't have this until
I see it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
If I can.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
If I don't see it, I'm not going. I don't.
I'm mixed. I'm a skeptic. Yes, exorcisms are recorded. They're
recorded for not only for church records, for documentation, but
also oh well, primarily for documentation because it's very dangerous
when someone has an exorcism, or you've got to understand

(01:30:09):
that they've gone through extreme trauma. Extreme trauma. And from
a physical aspect, the demonic has attacked. It's the individual,
the intellect and the will, and it's it's it's it's dangerous,

(01:30:30):
and it's a process where it is a constant barrage
of attack. And so that person is vulnerable obviously to
a heart attack, stroke and because the demonic will attack, attack,
it's a NonStop barrage of attack. It's one a person

(01:30:53):
can't fight anymore. Well, oh they're us army. So anyway,
it's this is why we you know, you have to
cross the t's and at the eyes because you're dealing
with the human being. Thank you, Roxy. So anyway, that's
that's the problem, and people just do this. Now, let's
address this for the five hundredth millionth gazillionth time. TK

(01:31:17):
Randall writes Panic as real life haunted Annabelle Doll reportedly
goes missing. Okay, first of all, next week, I'm interviewing
my friend father Bob. He is a retired Roman Catholic priest.
He was on paranormal state. He obviously knew Lorraine as

(01:31:40):
well as I I knew Lorraine too. He is traveling
with annabel and so we're going to ask him all
the questions about, you know, his experience with paranormal state
and of course with the annabel tour that he's on.
So if you are guys, if you guys want to

(01:32:02):
tune in, it's next week at seven pm Eastern Standard time.
I'll be interviewing Father Bob, who is accompanying Annabelle on
this tour. Let's get to this ridiculous, idiotic rumor the
infamous doll that has been kept for years at the
museum once run by the Paranormal Investigation's Adam Lorraine Warren.

(01:32:25):
So anyone who has seen the various movie Conjuring Movies
franchise will likely be familiar with annabel notorious doll that
the Warrens acquired back in the nineteen seventies. It actually
it's a raggedy and doll. They couldn't have a raggedy
and doll on the movie because of trademark issues, so
the story, the story goes, it was originally gifted to

(01:32:47):
a student nurse who was later told by the medium
it was possessed by the spirit of a deceased girl
named Annabel. Before long, it was rumored that the doll
exhibited malicious behavior ultimately leading to the Warrens taking possession
of it and keeping on displaying their Mind museum. But
Annabel's story didn't end there. Most recently, it was widely
reported in the press that the doll, which had been

(01:33:08):
traveling around as part of the Devils on the Run
tour hosted by the New England Society for Psychic Research,
had seemingly gone missing from its display after reaching New Orleans.
The rumor was sparked by stories from tour visitors who
claimed that they hadn't seen the doll anyway. This news

(01:33:29):
prompted considerable concern among fans, who speculated that Annabel was
now on the loose. She's running down the street and
capable of inflicting all matter of paranormal harm upon unsuspecting victims,
but not all. It was all in what it was seen.
ESPR and lead investigator Dana Rivera quickly moved to debunk

(01:33:52):
the claims that the doll was missing by demonstrating that
it was in fact still in its case at Ada
and Lorraine Warren's museum. It seemed that rather going, you know,
going missing, the doll simply hadn't been included on that
particular part of the tour. So for the million time
people keep asking me, I don't know. Look, I don't
I'm not there. I don't even anything to do with

(01:34:14):
the doll. But it was it was a ridiculous story.
It was a rumor. Annabelle. The doll never went missing ever.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
So just.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Relax. I mean, anyway, now you're gonna ask a question.
I'll try to answer questions, but I got a lot
of chat chats open right now, so I'll do the
best I can. Plus, people are asking me questions on messengers,
so I'm doing the best I can. So just relax.
Just not you atts, but other people are getting a
little Just guys, do the best again, Okay, WA's your question.

(01:34:50):
And when you do actis and what happens if it
gets sent back to help, well, ultimately usually it leaves.
It leaves prior to that, and so now where it goes,
there's a lot of debate as far as you know,
the intellect and will of the exorcism. The intellect and
will of the demonic are at battle during an exorcism,

(01:35:11):
and most of the time, when the demonic knows that
it has it has been defeated, it will leave. So
what's the wickedness. I have no idea, Okabra, I don't
understand the question. So you have to explain that one.
With the wakness one you did, I don't unerstand one.
You have to explain what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
No, I've never seen Annabelle. No, I've I've never seen Annabelle. However,
I did know Lorraine, and she did not like Annabelle
at all. And by the way, for everybody who says
that Lorraine never always said you should never move her, guys,
add and Lorraine took Annabelle quite often to when they

(01:35:50):
did presentations. They took her with them all they all
the time, and they talked about her, they talked about
the story they when they did presentations on demonology. So
it wasn't as if they never took They certainly did
take her. So she just talking about that it shouldn't
be taken and not controlled and monitored. So you came across, well,

(01:36:14):
what the wickedness demonic thing? You came across, Well, probably
in exorcism. I mean the exorcism was about the first
exorcism that I did. Now I by the way, I'm
I'm I'm a cast member on the show called Eli
Roth presents Legion of Exorcists. You can watch on an
HBO Max Travel channel and I guess Netflix and all

(01:36:36):
those other places. But this family did bring in a
doll to their home. This the wife became obsessed with it,
and I don't have it. I don't have it here.
I don't like to bring it here only because it
always causes problems every time I do. But so maybe

(01:36:56):
one day I'll do a presentation, maybe next week after
Father Bob talks. Maybe I'll bring in several of the items,
and I'll bring in the doll that's on the show.
So that is the doll that when I showed up
the entire house it was like a McMansion house, a
three story house was completely burnt down and the only

(01:37:17):
thing standing was an ornate bookshelf, metal bookshelf and that,
and they had this doll. And when I pulled up,
I thought, why is there a doll on the bookshelf?
That was very odd. And actually the chief, the fire
chief and the family are the one that contacted me,
and I'm like, I don't know anything about fires. Why
are you contacting me? I mean, but when I showed

(01:37:38):
up there and I saw this doll, the doll has
burnt marks on the fabric, on the clothing. It's a
porcelain doll. And I and the chief could not understand
why the doll didn't burn because the entire house burnt
to a crisp There was the stairwells, weren't even nothing
was it burnt. It was all burnt. So they heatd

(01:38:01):
factor had been extreme. The fire chief said, So, I
have it in the container, and I do bring it
sometimes to paranormal conferences when I go there. When I
went to a Louisville Mid South paranorma conference and I
was doing a presentation and people kept begging me to
take it out of the case, and normally I don't,
but I did. Guys, I'm not answering questions right now

(01:38:23):
because I'm thinking of the story, so I can't look
in the chat. So I brought it out of its
case and the entire room changed, the entire everything. The
environment completely changed in the room and everybody said put
it back. So as I was putting it back in
its case, someone asked me a question. I got distracted.

(01:38:43):
I put it next to my brand new laptop. As
I turned around. A firefighter in a front row with
screaming Bishop Long, your laptop is on fire. I turned around.
My laptop had caught fire, and a room full of
people at the Louisville Mid South Paranorma conference saw this.
Thank you there. I appreciate them. So a whole room

(01:39:06):
of people saw this, and so that was aired on
the Legion of Exo to show maybe next week I'll
bring it, we'll see. I just I don't like bringing
it in here. It's not something that I prefer. I'm
not taking it out of its case. I don't want to.
I just it makes me uncomfortable to do that. Well,

(01:39:26):
thank you there, nine to three. Appreciate that. So, I mean,
because I had always heard about haunted items. I've always
heard about them, and I've collected them through you know,
for twenty five years now. I've collected them for people
who buy these things and then they No, no, this
was a brand new No, this was a brand new laptop.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
I the battery was completely intact. Because that's why I thought.
I was like, well, maybe some type of internal nothing nothing.
So the battery was completely perfect. Right in the middle.
You saw the flame. It was it was the whole
entire room. But people saw that. So, but I collect

(01:40:13):
these items because people bring them and then you know
they want to know why they have violent activity in
their home. These things are not to be messed with.
Stay away from them, do not collect them. So maybe
next week I'll talk about some of my items. I'll
bring a few items and then I'll bring that doll.
Oh yeah, I bless them and we'll see. Okay, Starlet,

(01:40:37):
I've been looking. Okay, there's a question about it. Okay,
what's the question? I mean, I I guys, help me
out with this question because I can't stop the whole
entire show. I mean, I'm trying. I'm trying, but we're live.

(01:40:59):
Okay there, Jordan, Okay, pin the question because I gotta
move on. Okay, let's see. Yeah, they're some of these
items are pretty crazy. Some Oh you think TikTok is.

(01:41:21):
Oh well, Starla, that's your issue right there, TikTok. That's
the issue TikTok, Starla. TikTok has a tendency of when
you ask a question, if it doesn't like the question,
it will mute it. Because I have not seen your
question come come through once, and unfortunately, TikTok is doing

(01:41:44):
that a lot. Yep, yep, Starla. That's what's going on
because none of their none of the moderators have seen
your comment. Yeah, yeah, reword it word it because TikTok
is really strict about certain things. I don't know why.

(01:42:05):
I don't know. So if you got to see the question,
just spinnett Okay, yeah, filtered by TikTok. This is a
very very interesting the most haunted item. Oh, that's a
tough one because I have original John Wayne Gacy paintings.

(01:42:25):
I have a pair of Dahmer's glasses, Jeffrey Dahmer's glasses. Gosh,
the doll was pretty rough. The doll was pretty rough,
and I would say there was a there's a there's
this one item that I have that cause people to

(01:42:48):
get sick. I mean almost like like they were about
to pass out when I went to West Virginia the
paranormal conference. That's yeah, Jack's just mentioning it is the
human hair thing that causes a lot of people to
get sick. So you'll see it. I'll bring that next week.

(01:43:11):
And that was a that was a crazy Why would
I possess those ims? Okay, well, number one, I'm clergy,
I'm an exorcist, and I go around to well, thank
you there for subscribing. And I go to paranormal conferences
and I teach about the dangers of paranormal investigating. I
teach about demonology, and I also teach about the dangers

(01:43:32):
of collecting these items. These items now are really being
collected at a rampant rate. Now what I do is
number one, I have a master. I have a master
of education, and I used to teach kids and adults
who learn differently. Not everyone learns through a lecture style.

(01:43:53):
People they learn when they visually seize it. So one,
as an exorcist, I remove these items from people's houses.
They collect them, and then violent activity occurs, and then
I teach people what they need to do. Sometimes I
have to go to their home and perform the minor
rite of exorcism. So I collect these items. I have
a storage facility. What I do is sometimes I go

(01:44:16):
to paranormal conference and I will bring them and then
people can see it. Because let me tell you something,
If I start talking about this doll in an abstract
way like I'm doing now, that is dramatically different. When
you are in the presence of this doll, it is
a different world. Now, there was an investigator paranorma sees

(01:44:37):
An investigator asked me when I was at the West
Virginia Paranormal conference, and he said, you mind if I
my flear camera and see the measurements. Absolutely not do whatever.
Absolutely he captured a dramatic, dramatic heat increase. So what
he did is he put the Flear on the case

(01:44:59):
and he got reading and then I opened the door
so he could get a reading on the doll so
the glass wouldn't interfere. I opened the door and it
was a It was almost off the chart. The heat
signature that came from this doll was unbelievable. And he
sent this to me. So when you have things like

(01:45:23):
this and evidence like that, and then people are in
the room, like for example, when I took the doll
out of its case, I'm telling you the entire room
in that litule of the Mid South Paranormal Conference, the
whole room changed. It was heavy, That's the only way
I can describe it. It just changed. And everybody in
that room said, put it back, put it back. And

(01:45:46):
as I was putting it back, that's when I got
distracted and put it right next to a brand new
computer that I've been saving up for months and months
and months caught fire, and so when you see it,
I'm just please stop messing with these items. They're very dangerous.

(01:46:07):
You don't know the history of these items, and what
they're doing is you're bringing these items into your home.
And so I have I'm gonna bring. I am going
to bring the Gaycy's paintings that I have. I have three.
I have several Gaycy paintings. Actually I think maybe four
that are real Gaycy paintings. I have a pair of
Dahmer's glasses. How I got that as a seventeen year

(01:46:27):
old kid became infatuated with Jeffrey Dahmer and he was
writing Dahmer back and forth and back and forth, and
Dahmer became a little bit infatuated with this seventeen year
old kid, and this kid asked something of Dahmer's and
Dahmer had an old pair of glasses and he gave
it to him. He sent them this kid. The kid's
family found out. Kid's mom found out, and she hit

(01:46:47):
the roof. She was not going to put up with that.
So she contacted me and said, look, we're not putting
up with this. Do you want this? And absolutely yeah.
So she sent it to me that they didn't have
any activity in their home, but she didn't not one
a pair of Jeffrey Dahmer's glasses with her son. So
that's how it happened. And that's how I had Dahmer's

(01:47:10):
one A pair of the pair of Dahmer's glasses. It
doesn't have the the lenses, it just has I was
Dahmer possessed I there's one. There's one situation. See, Dahmer
knew what he was doing. But here's what he did.
Dahmer would would go into a ritual where he would

(01:47:30):
turn on The Exorcist three and he would become this
ritual before he did terrible things. And he said it
put him like in a trance. And then there was
but he remembered, he said, he remembered what he was doing.
But there was one time where he does not remember.
He took a gentleman to a hotel room and he

(01:47:51):
had no intention on harming or anything. But the next
morning he woke up and obviously this person had had
been tortured, and Jeffrey Dahmer has no memory of it.
In the stage of possession. When you're possession, you have
no memory of it. You have everything, you have a
memory of what led up to it. Now, do I

(01:48:12):
think he was demonically oppressed, No question, I think he
had a demonic attachment just as much as that Bundy.
As a matter of fact, I'm doing I'm putting a
documentary together. Now. I went to an Alcatraz museum in
Pigeon Force, Sennessee. They have, uh, they had, oh, they

(01:48:33):
have Ted Bundy's actual car, his beat, his his beetle,
and they also had John Wayne Gacy's two of his outfits,
his clown outfits and his black jacket that he was
arrested in. Uh they have, they had that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
And so they had several things. They had the Bronco chase,
you know, in they had all kinds of So I'm
putting that together and a little documentary on that, so
that that should be looking forward to that. And don't
forget this coming October, which we're still plenty of plenty
of time. Okay, you send Jacks a question. Okay, what's

(01:49:09):
the question. This October? I am going to the Queen Mary.
The Queen Mary is one of the most truly haunted,
a very Haunted hip has a lot of activity, and
I'm going to be staying in the most Haunted room

(01:49:30):
while I'm there, I'll be there for three days. I
am going to be doing documentaries. I will be going
live at the Queen Mary Okay, Miss Bread, and I'll
be doing that. So that will be be happening. And
believe me, I'll let you know when all that's going
to happen. You'll have plenty of time, I'll let you know.
And so that's gonna be that's gonna be a lot
of fun. So why for your entertainment, That's why. And

(01:49:57):
so that's what we're gonna be doing it, and that's
why we're doing it so we can put documentaries together.
Plus I'll be going to other haunted locations and going
from there. So TikTok kane tight. For those of you
who are listening to this on podcast, I'm going to
say good night to you guys.