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Speaker 1 (00:26):
From the mysteries of the paranormal to world headline news.
We cover it all. Welcome to the Sacred Division and
now Bishop James Long.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
But we are now live here and I appreciate all
of you guys being here. Happy Friday to you where
we are in Kentucky. This is a very special day.
This is Oaks Day. And tomorrow, by the way, is
the Canentucky Derby, and so yeah, it's gonna be good
times we're looking for. I've always loved Kentucky Oaks and
Kentucky Derby. It's just something very special. Just I think

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it is really special about it. But nonetheless, I got
to see I got to see American Pharaoh. And I
tell you that it's an unbelievable horse. My goodness, he
won the Triple Crown when it was like twenty five,
twenty seven year, you know, since another horse won the
triple crown. Boy, what a majestic horse. My goodness, gravy. Okay, everybody,

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so hello, Hello, Hello, I appreciate you guys being here.
Thank you. Hopefully you're having a good Friday. And hopefully
and if you're not well, then stick around and maybe
we can kind of I don't know, change, you know,
put you in a good mood. Yeah yeah, oh yeah.
The Bigfoot, the Bigfoot right there and Bigfoot well right

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there for you guys for Facebook and Cagen. There we go,
and you guys on TikTok's big Yeah, and pick that
up Judy in the Awesome. It's a it's a pretty cool.
I think it's a very good addition to h to Fridays.
So I love it. I absolutely love it. Fell in
love with that sign behind me when I saw it
that I got to get it. I've got to get this.

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And so there we go. If you want to go
to my website, it's very very simple.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
The website is Bishop James Longlong dot com Bishop James
Long l O n G dot com. By the way,
I do have classes that that we do have available
for you and okay, and if you want to head
over there, they're free for the hater gators out there
that you know, do this all day. You don't ever

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do anything, you don't ever do anything. Well, you know what,
I've gotten four classes that took me almost a year
to complete and they're free, so they're hater gators anyway.
The the classes are free, free, free, free and anyway,
check them out. We would love for you to do so,
and I think you'll really enjoy them too. Get you

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learn demonology, angelology, paranormal studies, and genealogy all free, and
so all you got to do is click on the
class link, I think, and there you go. And good
our friend, our friend, Bishop Campbell is in here. He's
a friend of mine, good friend of the communities. And
I also encourage you if you can please, and hopefully

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I don't embarrass him too much, but if you can
do me a favor, And if you could go to
my website, Bishop James Loong dot com, and if you
could head on over there, and you'll see a fundraiser link. Now,
Bishop Campbell and his and his wife you know there.
You know, they have a lot of health issues, and

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he's devoted his entire life to ministry. And he's not
one of those he is not one of those get
rich quick preachers. He doesn't preach that nonsense. And he
he is truly devoted. He is a he is a
warrior for God. But they've had a lot of health issues.
And because they've had a lot of health issues, they
get a lot of bills. So if you would please

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do me a favor. Thank you. Head on over to
Bishop James Long dot com. Click on the retreat, not
to retreatn't I've got to take the retreat down by
the way. Click on the fundraiser link, and if you
could donate something to him, that would be wonderful. He's look,
I know you guys don't know him, but I will
also let me introduce something as well that you might

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want to get to know him. Thank you, thanking mister producer.
And there it is right there for those of you
on Facebook and YouTube if you click on the fundraiser
Bishop James Long dot com, click on the fundraiser link,
and there you go. It goes directly to him. And
we would appreciate that, and so would he. And here's why.

(04:53):
Here's why I tell you this is fundamental what he
He has been very instrumental, very instrumental in helping us
offer a chaplaincy program to you guys. There's a lot
of people who have asked me about, you know, how

(05:15):
can I be a chaplain and what do we have
to do? Is it expensive? Et cetera. Well, let me
explain something to you. This is my chaplain badge and
they are recognized and I'm telling you now, I've been

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a chaplain for gosh over twenty five years now, and
so this is their badge that they have. It is
a beautiful, absolute, gorgeous badge. Now, if you have no
training and you would like to have training, they do
have a really in depth training program and they can

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actually start you as an associate. So even if you're not,
that's okay. They have literally a program for every single
person who is considering being a chaplain. There's chaplains in
goodness grace. I mean hospitals, nursing homes, police chaplains, firefighters.
I mean, there's desperate need for chaplains right now. I

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mean really truly. So if you're thought about ministry and
you've thought about me Bee being a chaplain that have
no training, maybe no education, they give you the training.
I mean, seriously, guys, take advantage of this. Yep, it's
virtual training. You don't have to go to a school building,
it's all online. You will be assigned a mentor as well,

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a mentor who has been a chaplain for a long
time to also teach you. I'm telling you, guys. And
then if you have no experience whatsoever, you can be
an associate chaplain and then as they continue to train you,
then you can go into full chaplaincy and you can
order a badge and they're recognized. So they are very
reputable organizations. So here's what I want you to do.

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If you're interested, you need to email doctor Campbell. So yep,
women can be chaplains, absolutely, absolutely so, even if you
have no theological background. Let's say you have no theological training,
but you want to start somewhere. This is this is
the organization to do it. You don't have to have
a degree. They will train you. And this is the email,

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all right, everybody, d R.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
D R.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Campbell. A matter of fact, I am going to copy
the address here and put it in the chat for
everybody on there. We are. So it's yep, Dr Campbell,
thank you bil d R. Campbell at A A H
E A dot org. And what you do is you
send him a message. Yep, there it is, guys. You

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can screenshot it right now on TikTok you can screenshot it,
send him a message and say, yep, I heard about
this Bishop Long show and I want to know more
about it, and they will provide all the information and
there it is I seem I have. Actually we were there.
I sit and we look through all the meetings, and

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I've seen the training manual. It is really, honestly fantastics.
It is fantastic, and I don't say that lightly. So
I want to make that very clear. If I thought
it was junk, I wouldn't be a part, to be
honest with. If I thought it was I would not
be a part of this. I would not be a
chaplain with his organization. It is really well done. So Nope, Nope,

(08:34):
you're not too old. There's no discrimination. They accept if
you're if you're a woman, you're welcome. If you have
no training, you're welcome. Let's say maybe you made some
mistakes in life, you're trying to turn your life around,
you're welcome. If you are ninety years old, you're welcome here.
So there's no discrimination. You just love the Lord and

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want a service. Chaplain. You're never too old, never, So
don't let any type of idea or ideology to make
to think that this is an impediment. It is not.
You can have this opportunity. Please take take advantage of it.
Take advantage of it. They're a really good organization. Okay, now, Michael,

(09:20):
let's not if you're going to come in here and
be rude, I'm going to block you because I think
that's inappropriate. So we don't do that here, Michael, and
I think that's very disrespectful for what you just said.
So you should be partly ashamed. And we're not going
to tolerate trills in here. We're just not. So just

(09:43):
be respectful to us as I am respectful and I
have always been to you, and so show some yeah,
show some respect, show some respect. Anyway, as far as
what's the length of time, it really just depends on
you you uh and your your you know, desire to

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get through the program. So okay, all right. And also
the church's website is u s OCC dot org, U
s o CC dot org and you can go there
and head over. Yeah, a lot of people, you know,
you don't have to have an MDiv a Master's Divinity.
And by the way, you go to theology, you go

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to seminary, which they charge you and our middle leg
to get an MDiv. So they do charge you. You know,
if you go to the seminary, you're going to have
to pay uh in order to get that degree. So
I mean all degrees. You have to pay for it.

(10:47):
That's just the way it is. I mean, if you
want to go to the seminary, you've got to pay.
I had I had to have student loans. That's just
the way it is. It doesn't invalidate it. It just simply
says it's not everything can be just here. Let me
just give it, give give, give give. Oh so yeah,
it's but anyway, and for those of you on TikTok,

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I will turn the chat on for everybody in about
an hour or so. Okay, now let's get into our
show tonight because I'm really looking forward to it, and
hopefully you are as well. Before we do this, I
want to make the announcements. Next week, we're going to
have a gentleman on who escaped from North Korea twice.

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He lives in the States, and he is going to
be I know, normally we talk paranormal on Fridays, but
this was such an amazing opportunity. It's very rare, ultra
rare that you get to speak to anybody, anybody who
has escaped from North Korea twice. And so I thought,

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you know what, I need to bring him on for
a Friday show. So that KGr dB could be a
part of it as well, everybody, because it is truly
pretty remarkable. Yeah. And by the way, our AAHA credits
a seminary the seminary program we have. So anyway, there's
wonderful opportunities for you, make sure you take advantage. Today

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we have a very cool guest. And I've known this
gentleman for a little bit. A little bit we've met
and it's been a while, but he's a good guy
and I really do like what he stands for. And
so our guest, our special guest this evening, is my friend,

(12:40):
doctor Bill Slevin. Now, he's a world renowned paranormal investigator,
a parapsychologist, a demonologist, researcher, and educator with over thirty
six years of experience, and he does have a PhD
in parapsychology and metaphysical humanistic science. You know, I'm want
to speak to him about that. I think I would

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love to have that. I just think that's phenomenal. He
has dedicated his entire life to uncovering the mysteries of
the unknown. Now, from a young age, Bill immersed himself
in studying paranormal phenomena, combining paranormal experiences with rigorous research
to become a well respected figure in the field. He
has conducted well over one thousand residential investigations I hear that,

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specializing in helping families deal with possible hauntings and unexplained activity.
Now as a demonologist, he is frequently called upon by
other teams to consult on dark and potentially dangerous demonic cases.
Now Doctor Levin has appeared on Discovery Plus, Travel Channel,
Destination America, Max, Paraflex, and has been featured at international

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radio shows, podcast magazines, newspapers. He's also the proud member
of the Ghost Club UK, the world's oldest physical research organization,
found in eighteen sixty two, inspired by paranormal pioneers Ed
and Lorraine Warren. Very cool. I actually knew Lorraine, I
was friends with. I did not know Ed, but he

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was inspired by them and so Bill works closely with
some of their successors and family members. Currently serving as
CTO and a director for the Warren Society for Paranormal
Research founded by Joe Frank and the prior three years
serving as a manager and director for the Warren Legacy
Foundation for Paranormal Research. Bill is also the founder of
the Paranormal Existence Research Society. It's a nonprofit team based

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in Coral Springs, Florida, with branches across Florida, Georgia, Nebraska,
New England, UK, Italy, and Greece and soon expanding to Brazil.
So this organization provides free assistance to those experiencing paranormal activity,
prioritizing compassion, honesty, and education. He is a sought after
speaker educator. Doctor Slevin appears as a guest and guest

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speaker at conventions, conferences, schools, libraries worldwide, bridging the gap
between myth and reality in the paranormal world. So let's
bring on our friend. Hello, they're Bill. How are you
doing today?

Speaker 5 (15:03):
I'm doing good.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
How are you well, I'm good. Thanks for you willingness
to jump on and chat with us today.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Sure, I'm honored to be on.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah. You know what, We've been in the field for
a long long time. Uh, yes, I guess what. Someone
called me an OG. So we're we are OG's Bill.
We're the old G's brother, We're the old G's We're
the old G's boys, boys and girls.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
When we communicated through Yahoo groups before Facebook and YouTube
and all this other, Twitter and MySpace. That's how we
communicated through Yahoo groups and that was that, that was
that was the thing. Do you remember when geo cities
came out Yahoo geo Cities, Boy, that was the thing.
Oh yes, if you had a if you had a

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website in Yahoo geo cities, you were really I mean
you were. You were dialing it in there, you were
dialing it in. You were one of that. But but
that's you know that, this was way before you know,
social media. So but yeah, I appreciate you know, before
I chat about the presentation of our questions, I've got

(16:11):
to ask. I absolutely would love to look into parapsychology
and metaphysical humanistic science. I think that would be phenomenal.
Where should one go if they're if they're really interested
in pursuing that.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Well, where I got my degree was the i m HS,
the International Metaphysical Humanistic Science. It's it's a really really
good course. It's I'll tell you, when I first started it,
I was lost.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
I was way confused.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
When you're doing the metaphysical part at the beginning, it's
very different, it's very involved, it's you know, it's it's
not what I expected at first. But it's it's something
I was really glad that I did and went through.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
It's it's not a quick thing.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
It does take some time well, and that's really honestly,
I've always found that if someone is not willing to
devote the time and energy into their own research and studies,
then they probably shouldn't be in that particular field. Yes,
and so yeah, it's okay, So let's all right, let's
get into this. So tell the world who are you,

(17:20):
and tell us a little bit about what you do.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
So, like like you had said a little bit there,
I've been in the field for thirty six years. I'm
an investigator of parapsychologists, demonologists, researcher, an educator, and I've
been doing this since wow, since the My first case
was in eighty nine, so I've been doing this well into.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
The beginning of the eighties.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
And it was very, very different back then. You know,
it's not like it is today. So I started a
Paranormalsicians' Research Society a while back because I wanted to
put together good people that understood how to do residential
cases because it's, as you know, it's not like you

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see on TV, and we deal with a lot of
people that have psychiatric illness and addiction and fear and
a lot a lot of things besides paranormal and to me,
it's important to have people that know how to be
compassionate and how to deal with people rather than just

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people who have twenty thirty years experience investigating, right, Because
you can teach people how to investigate and how to
use certain equipment and things like that, but you can't
teach people how to be a human being, you know,
which made me want to go around and handpick people
for a team after being on many many teams.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
Over my life.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
You know, that's one of the reasons why I started
many years ago and I gave Richalde the paranormal Clergy.
I started it because, and I've always told everybody, if
you're going to work with, if you're going to be
a part of the usocc as investigators, then you must
be pastoral. If you're doing this for you know, to
be famous on YouTube or whatever, then go away, seriously,
go away. We're not interested in you. And you have

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to because let me just say something very quickly, I
realize there are people who have misconceptions about paranormal investigators. Well,
let me just explain something very quickly. I am mean
eternally grateful as clergy for people like Bill and his team,

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the Paranormal Existence Research Society. And I'll tell you why,
because I'm one person. I don't have a plane, I
haven't won the lottery. And when there is a case
in California or Florida or Texas or whatever it might be,
I rely heavily on teams that I know I can
count on that are pastoral, that tried to debunk the activity,

(19:58):
that doesn't think everything is demonic, and then they supply
that information the evidence. To me, these people are the
unsung heroes. Truly, I believe this within the paranormal community
because it takes hours and hours to investigate thousands of
dollars to buy the equipment. Then you have to leave
your house, travel sometimes hours to get to the home,

(20:20):
then investigate, which could take who knows how long. Then
you have to go through all the evidence and drive away.
You got to drive back home. The amount of money
that these people invest that the paranorma teams invest in
in this truly passion of their so it should be applauded,
not attacked, not vilified, because they go through all the

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evidence and then teams say, Okay, here's all the evidence.
This is what we found. That saves me so because
then I can get to the case immediately if it's demonic,
because all the real heavy work has been done. So
I am really very very grateful. Yeah, like I said,
Plus the equipment, the equipment is very equipment's not cheap.
So no, So you've been in the paranormal for thirty

(21:04):
six years. So how did your journey began? What initially
drew you to the the world of the unexplained?

Speaker 4 (21:12):
So when I was little, I mean, I was always
for some reason drawn to paranormal horror.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
Stuff didn't scare me. It made me question everything.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
I wanted to know what was real, what was And
I started having some experiences myself, and I didn't know
if I was going crazy, if I was, you know,
having an issue, or I was really experiencing something.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
And you know, growing up in.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
A Catholic household, he didn't talk about that too much,
and especially back then before it was in the mainstream,
you really didn't talk about it though. So it's one
of those things where like I'm an mpath so I
can feel the energy and emotions of the living and
the dead. When I'm doing this, and back then, when

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I was young, say ten years old, I.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Don't know what an EmPATH is.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Nobody talked about that like they do today, right, So
I just knew.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Something wasn't right.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
I would go to even say like a family party,
and all of a sudden, I would become depressed and
I didn't know why. And it wasn't because I was depressed.
It was because I was picking up on somebody else
in the room and I was feeling their emotions. But
who knows, I didn't know that wasn't I didn't even
know what to look for. It was many years later

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that I found.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Out what that was. I just, you know, didn't understand
what I was going through.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
It's kind of the things that made me start looking
into everything and trying to figure out what was real,
what wasn't, and what this was all about.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
I had a draw, you know, I was drawn to it.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
And at what age did you start actually investigating?

Speaker 4 (22:53):
So my first actual investigation, which back then was very
hard to do because, like I said, people didn't talk
about it, so there wasn't a lot of teams all
over the place. The people that needed help, they weren't
running around looking for teams.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
They thought they'd be locked up in the mental institution,
you know.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
So it was not until nineteen eighty nine that I
was actually brought onto a residential investigation. But before that,
I mean I went out on my own to cemeteries
and things, just trying to see what I could find
from the research I've done and learning a little bit

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because we didn't have.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
A lot of the equipment back then, you know. So
nineteen eighty nine was my first case, and.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
How we how were you then for your first case?

Speaker 5 (23:42):
I was nineteen.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Wow, So that's that's yeah. I mean that it grabbed,
It grabs you're and it just doesn't ever let you go.
It's one of those things. It's just like in your deed,
I get that I toil it is it. My actually
first experience was I think thirty five years ago. That
was at Waverley Hills. That was the very first sigh.
That was that's when prior to the mattingles, the owner
didn't really care who went up there, and you know,

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you could do whatever you wanted to up there, and
well that was that was way before any paranormal teams
went up there investigated because I live in Louisville, so
it's there, you know. So okay, let's talk about this.
Let's talk about your very first paranormal experience. How did
it shape the direction of your life?

Speaker 5 (24:24):
So that's it's kind of difficult on that one. So,
like I said, the experiences I.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Had when I was young, I didn't know one hundred
percent of what they were, so they definitely guided me
into looking into things. But actually, right before I went
on that first case, a little bit earlier in that
year was the first time I saw a full bodied apporition,
which kind of solidified the way it happened and the

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way everything happened. It kind of solidified all the stuff
I had been learning about and to.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Actually see it, because it's not a rare thing that
you see. I mean, it is a rare thing. It's
not a common thing that you see all the time.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
So it was something that the way it happened made
me understand, Okay, you know what I'm learning about, everything
is real, And I think that helped push me a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
I mean, was that was that a foot? You said?
A full body apparition? Yes, that's folks. Let me tell
you someone you see a full body apparition. It makes
you question everything, everything because those I mean, it's it's
those are It's interesting when you experience that. So was
there a defining moment when you realize that this wasn't

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just like an interest, a thing that you're you do
on a Friday morning or Friday night because you're bored
and you want to get scared, but actually a calling.
And that's I've preached that now for years and years,
but an actual calling.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Right, I will tell you that was the first case, Okay.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
Because I tell everybody the thing about my first case
was I was asked by it was.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
A friend of mine who had another friend that knew
somebody you know that had a team and they had
a person that was sick and they needed a third
person to go with them on the you know, investigation.
So I went with them.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
I didn't know a lot.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
I was all excited to go investigate, you know, an
actual home and these.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
People had never been there before. They just knew the
old lady was having some issues. This was in Jersey.
I used to live in New Jersey.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
And we got to the house and we walked in.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
I'm going to do the short version. When we walked in.
We were there for it, no joke, fifteen minutes tops
in the main room. And this was very different back then.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
So like the guy had a big shoulder mounted camera,
you know, and the other guy.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Had a real turreel recorder.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
And all of a sudden, the guy next to me,
he threw his camera len his whole camera lens first
to the floor and screamed like I've never heard wow.
And we flipped the lights on and I looked at
him and he pulled his shirt over his head and
he had three scratch marks like razor blades from his

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neck to the bottom of the spine. I tell everybody
my first case happened to be a rare demonic case.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
That that's why.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
I say I feel it was my calling because most
people would have run for their life from that place.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
And never gone back.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
But I had a million questions of what was going on,
and it made me go down the rabbit hole because
I was you know, I didn't know a lot back then,
So I'm going, why didn't it attack me.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
I didn't know anything about protection back then. Why did
it attack him? Why was it? You know, what was it?
What was it doing in the house there?

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Was so many questions when I left there that that's
where I feel it was a call, because I do
believe a lot of people would have run for their lives.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
It is a frightening thing.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Ghosts in a house is not a big deal, but
demonic is completely different.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
And for those of you who's joining us, so I'm
Bision Long, we're talking. We're having our paranormal Friday show.
We're talking to my friend doctor Bill. He is a investigator,
paranormal investigator, parapsychologist, the monologists, researcher, educator's thirty six years
of experience. He has a PhD in parapsychology and metaphysical
Humanistic science. And he's talking about he's conducted will over

(28:33):
one thousand residential investigations, and of course he's been on
quite a few television shows Discovery Plus, Travel Channel, Destination America, Max, Paraflex, etc.
And so we're talking about his experience within the paranormal
and the case is that he has worked. And now
I do have a question that's off maybe a little bit.

(28:56):
I'll throw you off a bit and I hope that's okay.
So Danny, Sorry, Danny, I just threw you under us
Danny's wanting me to ask you about orbs.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Okay, so this is somebody I guarantee you.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I know, yes, absolutely, because everybody knows. One of the
things that I preach about at my lectures is about orbs.
I don't like to kiss anybody off with this or
discredit their stuff.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
But the problem is there's a lot of misconceptions.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
About what our true orb is. There are real orbs.
They're very rare. I've seen three in my thirty six years,
and you will see them with your eyes. They are
solid three D balls of energy where it's believed to
be a spirit or a demon trying to manifest itself
into the room by pulling the energy from the room.

(29:57):
The things we see on the ring cont and the
security cameras and everything, look, nobody knows one hundred percent
you know of anything, but those can be easily debunked
with science and electronics. And because a real ORB, which
is solid energy, cannot be transparent or translucent, and it

(30:19):
cannot reflect light, it has its own light. So if
that little ball flew into your living room with your
security camera on, your security camera actually be tricked and
go into daytime mode, just like you turn the.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Lamp on in the room. And it's one of the
things I talk about a lot.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
And I know a lot of people want to believe that,
you know, it's bram Off lying around because a piece
of dust that floated by.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
And that's fine.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I mean, whatever makes you, you know, happy, that believe
what you want to believe.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
But it's something. The one thing you didn't I didn't
talk about with.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
You yet is besides what I do, I have thirty
three years in the technology field.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Night very cool.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
So yeah, I'm a I know a lot about technology.
I know about apps, I know the facility I just
was working with for twelve years, we.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Had like one hundred and forty two cameras. You know,
I know everything about cameras and how they work. And
I can show your orgs on those cameras every night.
So I'm not just coming from only opinion. I'm coming
from an actual background in technology. Also.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, and folks, here's the deal that look, look, look, look, listen.
Most of the time everybody says me orbs orbs. Most
of the time they're bugs. They're bugs. And so there's
for example, there's this one clown and I'm sorry, it's
a cloud he's going around YouTube. He holds a up

(31:47):
a camera or or not a cross up, and he's
going through weeds and he's kicking up weeds, and a
person behind him has a camera and there it's a
night camera and all these orbs and people are like,
oh look, and he's performing an exorcism on these orbs. People,
they're bugs. He's literally in the weeds, kicking up bugs,

(32:12):
kicking the weeds, so that bugs show up and everybody thinks, oh,
look at all those spirits, and they actually think it's
real demons. Come on, guys, really seriously, so that kind
of I'm not kidding you. Thousands of people follow this
this account, and I'm thinking they're bugs. He's in the weeds. Yeah,
I mean put two and two together. It's not yeah

(32:35):
or dusts or dust particles. Yere right, all right? Did
you ever have moments of doubt? And by the way,
if you have questions for those of you on TikTok,
you can throw your question in there. If you're a subscriber,
we will open the chat open for everyone in a
little while. But have you ever had moments of doubt
about pursuing this path? And how did you move past

(32:57):
that those doubts.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Well, I mean there's been a I think it was
more at the beginning because it was very hard to
research back then. You know, we didn't have internet, you
didn't have TV shows, you didn't have a lot of
people to talk to, so you could only go in
and find the books you could find in the library
and to even through that to understand what was real.

(33:21):
So there was doubts along the way. I think when
I saw that apparition and then it was only a
couple months later where I had the first investigation, I
think those helped me get out of that. And I
mean there has been a few times throughout the years
where you kind of question sometimes what you're doing, because

(33:42):
we do do this for free because we want to
help people and we don't think it's ethical to charge,
you know, and there's a lot of times where you encounter,
like what I tell people, our hardest, at least mine,
my hardest thing to deal with is convincing somebody.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
They're not haunted.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
And it's a very frustrating thing when you're there trying
to talk to them and trying to get them help.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
You would think by telling them it's nothing, they should
be excited.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
But the problem was later on is that they're not
because even though they're calling this in as a professional team,
if they don't see you on TV every week, they
don't look at you as we're maybe an expert in
the field or know what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
They look at the people on TV as they got
to be the ones who know everything.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Which is why I started putting myself out there the
last six or seven years and getting known a little
bit and you know, educating a little more and getting
out there because then when we deal with people, they
look at us like a little bit more. I guess
acknowledgment of what we do and who I am because we.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Are there truly to help them.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
But those are tough and then you know, there's a
lot of drama in this field right now. Luckily I'm
not involved in any of it. The only time you'll
see me involved in drama is on the Facebook forums
with the ORB people.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Oh I see, that's the only people that don't like me.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
All right, And of course you know that's there's a
lot of there's a lot of drama. There's a lot
of drama. I I well, I tell you what I've Yeah,
I've I've had my fair share, you know, I've always
I've always wished that when when I first, of course
many many years ago, the boy, it was vicious, twenty

(35:33):
twenty years ago, twenty five. I mean it was when
online radio was in its infancy. It was vicious. Like
I said, I've said this before. It was so vicious
that you know, people were saying, oh, Bishop Long has
fake degrees, never went to the seminary. It was so bad.
I actually on Facebook I had to post my degrees

(35:53):
in transcripts. I didn't have to, but I chose to
because that's how much the hate that I was getting, yeah,
from people, I mean, vicious, vicious.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
That's yeah, that's how these people are.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Like I'll get somebody in a group that I'll when
I explain to them about like let's say they post
a picture of an ORB. I'm doing it honestly to
try to help them and educate them a little bit.
I am very nice. I don't go off on them,
of course if they start on me, sometimes I do.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
But I don't normally go off on them.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
I'm do it very professional and educational, explaining why it happened,
what it is, and how to avoid it. And things
like that, and then they'll come back and me sometimes
and they'll say, well, who are you?

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Why should I believe you? And then I'll say, well,
I have thirty six years in the field. I have
thirty three years in the IT field. Oh so you
have an ego.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
You just established incredibility.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I don't know how to deal with somebody right right, No, No,
you can't, you just because ultimately you have to. You
just say you know, and then it's kind of like, Okay,
I was a dean of a college, so you have
to have regionally accredited degrees in order to be a
dean of a regionally accredited college. But it didn't matter
no matter what, no matter what people said, no matter

(37:10):
what they said, there was always those hater gators out there.
That's why I say to people all the time, you
never accept criticism from someone that you would not go
to for advice because if they're gonna, don't listen to them.
Don't even so folk don't listen to them. So because
you can't, especially in this field, because as Bill will
absolutely testify, when you get into some heavy dark cases

(37:34):
and we're going to talk about that in a moment,
it can take a toll. It really can take a toll.
So let's talk about first of all, what does your
family think of your of your life's work, your your
dedication devotion to the paranormal.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Well, I'm sorry I lost you there for many years.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
What what what? What? What does your family think of
your life's work in the paranormal.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
That's a funny one. So, like I said, I Grewtholic.
They I never really talked about it much. It was many, many,
many many years.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
Later that they found out I did anything like this.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
My mother is still amazed and when I I'm out
there talking about this at shows, she comes to some
of the events and stuff, but she still does not.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
Believe in ghosts. Yeah, and it's funny.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
And I always say that the way what I believe
is that it costs.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Okay. So my grandmother, her mother I.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Was extremely close to. That's the Italian side of the
family that I grew up with.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
In New Jersey, and I was very, very close to
my grandmother. She was like another mother. She lived in
the house.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
So when she died of cancer many years ago, I
think my mother expected her to come and visit and
talk to her and show something.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
And she never did, and I think I truly believe
that's why she.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Doesn't believe, even though I have as good evidence as
you could get, and she still doesn't really believe too much.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Because there are some people that think everything is demonic.
So let me just ask you this question. Simple, let's
put this, let's put this, let's put this to rest
in your opinion, just a simple yes or no. Do
you think everything paranormal related is demonic?

Speaker 5 (39:26):
And new?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Okay, very good, because that's a debate that a lot
of people. Because I've said this, and of course people, oh,
he's a fraud, he's a fake. Everything is not demonic.
And this is a person who has thirty six years
of experienced speaking to you guys, all right, now you
found it the Paranormal Existence Research Society otherwise known as PERS.

(39:47):
What inspired you to create it and what makes your
teams stand out in such a crowded field.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
Well?

Speaker 4 (39:54):
I created it because, to be honest with you, I
got sick of being on other teams. There's so much
drama where the teams do things. A lot of them
just are doing this for fun. Look, if you want
to go out and be a ghost hunter and go.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
To local places, and that's all good.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
We do that at times, but if you're going to
do residential cases, you have to be a little more
serious and you have to know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
You're going to farm people, that's right.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
You know.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
So I started my own team because I honestly was
just tired of dealing with other people and it.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
Is a lot of work.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
And I always said I wanted a small team, and
I used to have like maybe five or six people
in Florida, and we used to keep it at that.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
And then it slowly has expanded.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I have like I think twenty seven people now, like
you said, all through different states and countries, and I
really enjoy it because everyone is hand picked by me,
and like I said before, it's very they're very specific people.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
A lot of them have very amazing gifts in different areas.
I have people that have things that I do not understand.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
You know, my teammate Tom, who's the head of my
Nebraska team, he can speak to elementals and see elementals.
I know very little about elementals when it comes to that.
So I have so many people that are are My
wife is she's on the team, but she doesn't investigate
with us. She's a wreki master and an energy healer,

(41:28):
so we have her work with our clients when they
need energy work. She's taught me a lot about energy,
you know. So we have a very.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Verse team, and I have.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Joe Frankie that's my new England team up north with
you know, who worked with Ed Lorraine for like thirty years.
So we stand out because we do go in and
try to help them. We are not going to come
in guns blazing with piles of equipment, you know. We're
going to talk to them, probably on zoom first and
get to know them and see what's going on, and

(42:00):
have some of our gifted people on there with.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Us to see what they can see.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
We're gonna possibly ask them for psychiatric evaluations, medical evaluations.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
We're gonna we do.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
A lot of very very you know, important things to
help them the best we can. So that's kind of
what made me Forman and kind of why I think
we stand out.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Because we're not gonna go, you know, running in there
with like look as an it.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
I have a ridiculous amount of equipment I do because
I like to try everything in play with all of it,
But we use maybe five percent of that equipment in
a person's house. None of that stuff is reliable to
be in a person's house except audio, video and environmental
type devices.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
For those of you who are just tuning in long,
we're talking to our friend, doctor Bill s Levin, who's
a world renowned paranormal investigator of parapsychologists, demonologists, researcher, and educator.
He has thirty six years of experience. He has a
PhD in paris like cology metaphysical humanistic science. Of course,
he is also a founder of a respected ghost Well

(43:09):
I don't I'm always investigation the Paranormal Existence Research Society.
I've never I've hated the term ghost hunter. I've never
liked that term. It's it to me. It's just like
I've just there's something a problematic for But anyway, we're
speaking to about his experience, and I promise you we will.
I will get to your questions. I promise you. So,

(43:30):
for those of you are on TikTok, if you're subscribers,
I'm writing your questions down and I'll promise you that
I will get to before we open it up for everyone. Now,
as I mentioned in the beginning during the opening monologue,
I was I was friends with Lorraine. I unfortunately I
didn't get to meet Ed. And I say unfortunate because
I would have loved to just picked his brain and

(43:51):
and just kind of get his you know, his thoughts
on certain things. But now you have connections, of course
with with Ed and Lorraine Warren. So can you share
more about that.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Well, first, I'd like to say I wish I could
have had that personal connection with them, which I did not.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
I knew a lot about them. I studied everything about them.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
You know, they were pioneers in the field, no matter
what people want to believe. I was lucky enough to
now work with people either who were related or have
had massive amounts of years working with them as students.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
So I was part of the Warren Legacy Foundation for
three years.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I was a director and a manager that helped run
everything over there, which was with Chris McKinnell, the grandson.
And now I am part of the New Warren Society
for Paranormal Research and Education, which was founded by Joe Frankie.
Joe was an original student of Ed Loraine back from
when he was eighteen, and he has a long.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Time history with them. He's a great guy.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
I've gotten to become really really close friends with him.
Me and him actually do shows together and speak together,
and it's it's just great being able to have that
connection to learn a little more on the inside about stuff.
I also used to be really good friends with Timmy
Yancy before. Such a great guy, and you know, he

(45:24):
was very close he knew and Lorraine. He was very
close with George Watz from the Amitueville House. I've heard
a lot of very good inside stuff, you know, Scottie Burns.
You know, there's so many people out there that you
get to work with if you're lucky enough that have
this kind of knowledge that.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Help, you know, help you further your your studies.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
You know, you know, that's one thing that that that
does kind of I don't not necessarily say irritate me,
but it does kind of get me a little frustrated,
because you know, here's the deal. If you've learned something,
if you learn something from a perhaps a mentor or
somebody that's been in the field for as long as
for example, we have, and I've noticed that a lot

(46:08):
of people, and there's nothing wrong with you know, people
then learning it. But please don't take that as if
you're the one that created this. Always give credit where
credit is due. So if you've learned something from let's
say clergy, or you know someone like Bill or even
someone like myself or someone, always give credit. Because I've

(46:28):
noticed that what people are doing now is they're taking
what for example, the ogs, the people who when when
Bill and I started. You gotta understand, guys, there was
no book on how to do this. You just did it.
You just went out there. You you went to people's homes.
You learn by mistakes, and you gather all the information

(46:51):
you teach. But if you're going if someone if you said,
well I didn't think of that, or that's a good idea,
and you learn, always thank you to go. Always all
always give credit where credit is due. I've always done that,
and I think that's the most respectful thing that you
can do to honor that person's legacy, because otherwise, if
you don't, you're just quite honestly, you're you're stealing and

(47:14):
you're not giving credit. And that's one thing that I
just think people should kind of avoid.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Yeah, I just I owe everything I have to all
the people who taught me at the beginning, when I
was new and I didn't have anybody to reach out to.
You know, those people taught me and it's what helped me.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
That's why I like to teach people. I like to
help people learn.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
You know, everybody needs to have their own style of
how they do things, but they need to learn the basics,
you know, from people. This is what I always say,
learn from If you learn from watching TV, that's fine,
but go out and learn from the people who are
around doing this or the TV show started.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Let me guy, let me give you, let me let
me clue you in on everybody. Bill knows this, but
let me clue everybody else on this. The paranormal celebrities
are not the people that look at a camera and says,
did you hear that? Did you hear that? That doesn't
make you a celebrity. Okay, that makes you a person
who's able to say did you hear that? On camera.

(48:18):
Paranormal celebrities are the people that answer the calls at
three or four in the morning, that spend thousands of
dollars on equipment that travel to people's homes who they
don't owe them anything, but yet they don't charge not
a penny. They spend everything out of their own pocket.
They go to their home, they try to explain what's
going on, they get clergy involved in cases. Folks, those

(48:41):
are the true paranormal celebrities, not anybody who has a camera.
Did you hear that? That doesn't make you a celebrity.
And anybody can look at anybody look at a camera
and flex your muscles. Did you hear that? Again? It
doesn't make you a celebrity. So people who are true
Parallel and Almo celebrities, in my mind, are the people

(49:02):
that you may never hear of. They don't sensationalize people's
trauma for financial gain. You know, they're not putting it
all over you know, social media just so they can
get likes and lots of money, and while this family
over here is suffering. That's evil. I don't think that's
that's appropriate at all. And there's a lot of things well,

(49:23):
and Bill, I'm sure you've experienced this too. There's a
lot of teams that will go to a person's home,
take undemonic cases in which they have no business taking
them on, not get clergy involved at all, just so
they can get the evidence, run to social media, and
then drop the client all together. And the client's sitting
there saying now what do we do? They just made
it worse, right, No.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
That's absolutely, I mean that's one of the biggest things.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
I would say almost half our cases wind up being
cases that they went to somebody else and either somebody
stirred something up or they didn't have anything, and they
told them that they had a demon or something, and
now they're scared out of their minds because they left
and they.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Don't know what to do.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
You know, it's very you know, like I'll go back
to what you asked earlier about, you know about demons
being rare, you know, demonic cases.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
I've been well over a thousand cases.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
I've had seven confirmed demonic cases in thirty six years now.
I mean, of course those are the only ones I've
been called into, you know, but seven, You know, it
is rare, but it is out there.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
But people can mess things up if you don't know
what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
If you wear in the TV show and you go
running into a person's house, you're putting yourself, your team,
and the client in danger.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
He's right on. So in twenty five years, I have
performed thirty three exorcisms twenty five years, and I work
with psychiatrists we require psychological evaluations before I even stepped
foot in that family's home. So what I call it
when I say documented. So I am so exhausted from

(51:13):
people thinking everything is demonic. It just simply is not.
It just simply is not. Now, you begin your work
long before the age of the internet and reality TV.
So how did your your learning and training in the
early days differ from how people are introduced to the field. Now?

Speaker 5 (51:30):
That's very different because, like I said, it was hard.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
We had to go and get in the library and
find any book you could find, and there wasn't a
lot out there. You know, you had a handful of
people that had some interesting information.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Nowadays it's very different because it's good and bad. To
be honest, I always say TV shows and Internet and
everything brought the paranormal out into the forefront to where
we can sit here and talk about.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
It like this without getting locked up.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
So it's great on one side, but it does confuse
people because people are very you know, influenced by TV
and internet, and when they see things, you have to
understand there's paranormal and there's paranormal.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Entertainment, and there are two different things. And I like both.
I watched the show as I've been on some. They're
a lot of fun, but.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
It's don't you can't go by one hundred percent of
what they're doing to understand if you have something in
your house. Just because you heard a sound in your
house doesn't mean because you saw that.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
On one of the shows that you know that's what
it is.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
So the people that learn from just watching TV now
are going online and googling stuff. The problem is they're
they're looking it up and they don't know if they're
finding real info or something written by somebody who knows nothing.
And they're learning that and they're running into people's homes.
You know, go out, like I said, go to you know,

(52:56):
some some known haunted locations, some cemeteries, whatever, and learn.
Like I say, if you get buy a piece of equipment,
learn what that equipment does. Learn what makes it go
off naturally, what can cause it to flake out?

Speaker 5 (53:12):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Not just buy it, turn it on and see what happens.
Because there's a million things. You know, like we found
out with a rimpod. You push the button on a
walkie talking that sets the rimpod up. So you know,
you need to learn things like that.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
So if not, you're just going to go in and
you're going to think everything is a ghost. And also
the people learning.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
From TV, they don't look into anything into psychology or
self manifestation and energy and things like that.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
So when they get a.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Call, they go right to the house assuming we have
something haunted, and.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
You can't change that.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Once you walk in, you have to go in thinking
this is nothing. I need to prove it's something.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
So I believe Starla on TikTok. If Sarlotte asks, are
in your opinion, are all shadow figures black shadow figures
that the face are faceless of evil spirits or demons?
What are your thoughts on shadow figures?

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Shadow figures can be many different things.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
I don't believe at all that they are always something
evil or demonic.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
I've seen plenty out of the you know, you see
a lot of them out of the corn in your eyes.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Sometimes sometimes it can be the trick of your eyes
and your mind. But the ones, most of the things
I've experienced when it comes to a shadow figure, has
not been anything that was anywhat dangerous. Now that doesn't
mean it can't be. I mean, if you're in a
demonic situation, you might see shadow figures that are from

(54:46):
the demons, but I would say for the most part,
it's not gonna be oh my god, somethings, they're dangerous,
gonna hurt me and Sarla.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I see your question about conjuring on TikTok. If you
can explain that, are you talking about casting? Is that
your refer your reference? So Starli if you could clarify that,
and then I can ask. Now, Big Red on TikTok
wants to know if if he has a video and
he wants your opinion on it, can he send it
to you?

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Absolutely? Okay, Well, a lot of people send me stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Where were the best place for him to send that to?

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Very simple? Bill at Bill Slevin dot com.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Bill at Bill sleven dot com. All right, everybody that's
we're not we're not, We're not hanging up. I'm just
that's the best way the Bill at Bill sleven s
L E v I N dot com. So Big Red
on TikTok, Uh, you can certainly send him that information
and he will he said he'll take a look at it. Also, Oh,

(55:46):
this is a great question. I don't know who asked this.
My apologies, I didn't get to see. Are there any
smartphone apps that you believe are credible to use during
the paranormal investigation?

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Okay, this is about the same as orbs almost. Well
here's here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
And again this is coming from somebody in the technology field.
I've worked with people who built apps, not for ghost
hunting or anything, but apps, so I know.

Speaker 5 (56:17):
What they do. Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
If you want to take them and go out to
the haunted location and the cemeterium, play around and see
what they.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Do, by all means have fun. I've tried every one
of them just because I want to see what they do.
But I will tell you this.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
The problem with an app and I, in my opinion,
I cannot credit any app out there, and.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
The reason being is they're programming.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
So there's no reason that you know, you should believe
that something that is fully programmed like this that costs
either free or two ninety nine for an app, is
going to be something that is some special connection to
the paranormal world or the realm. Because a lot of
them actually use GPS to know where you are, active

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listening to know what you're asking, and then AI to
respond to you, and then some of the things they mimic,
like let's say ghost to which mimics an SLS camera? Okay,
a real SLS camera. I would believe possibly one percent
of the time if that because they're programmed to look

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for people.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Now, so hold one second, if you can, if you
can explain for those of you who don't know. Again,
there's a lot of people asking who we're speaking to.
Doctor Bill Slevin. He is an investigator, parent of investgator,
pair of psychologists, demonologist, researcher. He has a PhD in
pair of psychology, metaphysical humanistic science, and he's speaking about
his experience as a paranormal investigator. Now, can you explain

(57:52):
what these what the last device is that you had mentioned,
because there are many people who have no idea what
that device is.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Sure, an SLS camera was something that they created from
If you remember, back in the time of the Xbox,
they had the Kinic, which was the little camera device
that came with the Xbox that was used for motion gaming.
So what it did was it surveyed the room looking
for a person, so it looked for your arms and

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your legs so it could pick you up for the
motion part of the game. It's created by Microsoft. So
what they did was they took the SLS camera from
the CINIC and they connected to connected to a Windows
tablet and got the Windows Developer software and you go
in and you have your own little SLS camera and

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it produces little stick figures on the screen.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
The thing is, when you pointed.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
At anything, a chair, any kind of furniture, address, anything,
it will think that's a person because that's.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
What it's designed to do.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
So it will automatically put it up there and like
a stick figure, and people think they're ghosts.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
The problem is could it be? There? Could be, but
you have to be in a place that has nothing
in the room.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
I've seen it map out stick figures from wallpaper, patterns,
lines on the bricks in the wall, I mean, anything
you can think of. In all the years of using
these playing around them.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
I've had two instances that I'm not sure about two.
And that's it.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Because again, we can easily identify what's causing it.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Okay, because it's programmed what to do.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
You know, so when you take an app and you
make an app mimic this device, your phone is not
an SLS camera. You know, your phone is not an
EMS reader it's not. You know, it's none of these devices.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
That they make you think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
And again you could play around with them. But like
spirit Talker is one of the biggest ones that everybody
plays with, and it kind of mimics an ovulus, and
Ovulous is a device where it's believed that the spirits
can manipulate the energy and words come out onto the screen.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
It uses a word bank. So yes, if something comes along.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Directly with what you're talking about, maybe it could be something.
When you turn on the spirit Talker device, the ovulous
will not spit up wheres every five seconds. The spirit Talker,
if you put it on, just put it on and
leave it. Here's the perfect test. Put it on, leave
the room for an hour, and come back and watch
the entire conversation this thing had with nothing wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
And it's usually dark and scaring and evil and get
out and you know it's just randomizing words.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
So I know that we talked about wrapping up around eight,
But do you have a little bit extra time we
can chat a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Yeah, yeah, I could say, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
So now Nicole is asking a great question. I do
enjoy watching paranormal shows and if so, and I like
to piggyback on that question, are there any films or
books portrayals that you believe that actually got it right?
So are there any paranormal shows that you actually enjoy watching?
And do you believe any films, books, or portrayals that

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you believe got it right?

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
Yes, I actually watch most of the shows. I do
enjoy them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
They're they're entertaining, and that's the difference of what people
have to understand.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
It's entertainment.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Like I've been on seven you know, confirmed amount of
cases and you definitely don't see me scream and run.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
Out of the house. That's that's for ratings and for
you know whatever. But but they're entertaining. I love them.
I do watch them all. I support them. I have
nothing against them or what they do on there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
I mean they do confuse people a little bit, sometimes
a little too much.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
But I do enjoy them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Now as far as something that got.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
It right, this is the only thing I really say
to people.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Watch the TV show Evil, Evil to me is so
spot on with what they do, because if you haven't
seen it, it's a show that combines a guy who's
a priest, a person who is a scientist, and a
person who is a a forensic psychologist and they're sent

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out by the church to assess cases.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
And what I love about it is most of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
The time it is not demonic or angels or miracles.
It's sometimes it could be, but it's not. But they
do throw the realism of what's out there into it.
Of course, they make it a little comical with their demons.
Is a little too much, but it's what they do.
Is like I was watching that and I'm going, Holy count,

(01:02:55):
this is what I do. It's the first time I
really could say that, really what I do.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
I really enjoy what that show was about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
And again, folks, we'll try to get your questions. If
you've asked multiple questions, please understand there's a lot of
people asking questions, so we'll do the best that we can.
One thing that that as an exorcist for the church,
it does kind of drive me a little bit bonkers
that demonologists are performing rituals they have no business performing

(01:03:25):
and have you, And that really bothers me. A demonologist
is not necessarily an exorist, So let me make that
clear for everyone. An exiosist is clergy who has been
trained in the right to perform an exorcism on an
individual who has possessed, and demonologists is one who researches

(01:03:46):
and works cases and is able to know the manifestations
of demonic influence or infestation and then presents that to
clergy for them to get involved. I am finding a
lot of people who are claiming be demonologists performing rights
they have no business or authority performing. Have you been

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finding that to be an issue as well?

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Oh? Yes, yeah, a lot, a lot. Honestly, First of all,
I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
As a demonologist, I'm brought into assess a case to
help understand if it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
Could be demonic, and then I do go.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
With the exorcists to help assist, you know, if there's
something needed.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
I am there for those cases. But I would never
perform an exorcism. I would not want to do it.
It's not me.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I'm there to help, you know, to assist, and I
do obviously I'm in the middle of it all, but
that is absolutely, in my opinion for a clergy member.
I would never even honestly like some of the terms demonologists.
I've been studying demonology for about thirty years and and
if you listen to any of my back podcasts or

(01:05:03):
lectures or anything. I used to say I was a
demonology specialist because to me, I respected the title. The
title was either a clergy member or given to you
by a clergy member.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
And I always said demonologies specialist. It's just because of
how I am. And then last year I was given
the title by a church. So I now use the title.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Sure, But there's a lot of there's a lot of
people that just say, hey, I looked at a book
and now I'm a demonologist.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Because what bothers me greatly as clergy, especially when I
studied in the Roman Catholic seminary. It bothers me now
that so many people are calling themselves demonologists and they
have no prayer life whatsoever. This is not a secular job.
It is when you're a demonologist. For anybody who's watching,

(01:05:58):
I mean, you dedicate your life to this ministry. It
is a ministry. It is a calling from God. This
is a This is different. This is different if you're
if you're a paranormal investigator, that's secular. That's completely and
totally different than being called a demonologists because now you're
getting into theology and if you do not have a

(01:06:20):
prayer life. If you are not devoted to your faith
to God, then one day it will happen. I've seen
it time and time again, and Bill, I'm sure you've
seen it time and time people who costplay demonologists on
the weekend. The demons will eat your lunch and spit
it out, and your life will become complete and utter mess.

(01:06:42):
So say, stay away from this, guys, if you're truly honestly,
stay away from this, because this is there's a big
difference between investigating a haunting and then investigating demonic cases.
And I'm absolutely confident Bill that you would say the
same yes as a lathy demonologist. So carry on, TikTok

(01:07:06):
is asking what is the scariest moment that you have
ever had during an investigation?

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
You cut off one word there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Carry on, TikTok is asking what is the scariest moment
that you have had during an investigation?

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
Every second of those seven demonic cases. The stuff that
I witnessed during those cases, I tell people, are things
I never thought I would see. I thought they were
only for TV. And there are things that will haunt
me forever. During one case, I was not about thirty

(01:07:48):
feet across the room by nothing and there is nothing
scarier than being knocked down on the floor by nothing
in front of you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
How do you defend yourself? Right? You know, it's it's
a very scary thing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
But honestly, anything anything from those cases, it's it is
a terrifying thing. And like I said, I I believe
it's a calling because I do it because I want
to help people. I never look forward to a case
where I'm called in, if it's gonna if it could
be possibly demonic, I don't look forward to it, but
I will do it to help.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, for me, because it's not secular. This is the
this is the theology, your call. You are you have
a special calling to serve in these cases from God.
If you don't have a call, if you don't have
a calling, and leave it alone. Leave it alone. Friends,
if you're watching, please leave these cases alone, because not
only are you going to hurt yourself, but you could

(01:08:48):
hurt the families because you could cause the activity to
increase if you don't know what you're doing, and then
and then you have a real world of hurt. And
that's that's what you don't want to do. I believe
it's an I apologize as if I miss mispronounced the
word hoaxon. Do you believe that demonic cases are on
the rise? From your from the cases you've worked and

(01:09:08):
been in the field, do you believe that there are.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
No? I don't. I don't think they're on the rise.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
I think you may be hearing about them a little more,
and I think a lot more people are kind of,
you know, talking.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
About it a little more. Maybe I don't. I don't
know so much that they're on the rise. Just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Okay, So Roxy is asking, may I ask Bill's view
on the Ouija board. The reason is I find the
paranormal community are using them, and I will say, if
someone uses the Ouiji board, then you know what that
is ignorant, It is stupid, It is irresponsible. Leave them alone.
Leave them alone, because I, for one, I for one,
it's clergy. I'm growing tired people using these boards contacting me.

(01:09:56):
All hell breaks loose in their home, they expect me
to fix it. This is folks. Leave it all.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Have you had any cases where in fact you have
there was for example, violet or malevolent spirit or even
demonic activity because of the use of a Wisia word.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Yes, in Central I do believe the same thing with
you about the Ouigi board, but slightly different. There's one
difference I have that I talk about, you know that
sometimes goes against what people think about the Ouigi boards.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
One.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
First of all, I do not really condone it for
I know paranormal teams that use it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
I don't condone it for an investigation. That to me,
that's not what you should do.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
But what I explained to people is probably what you
tell them. They are they are very dangerous. But here's
the thing. It's not the Ouiji boord. That board is
not a magical device. Yes, it's a wood, it's a
piece of wood. Before they had that, people used to
draw that on tables and use a cup. And it's
it's not that, it's your intent of what you're doing

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and knowing how to properly do it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
You know. If look, I played around with it when
I was young.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
You know I was with that too, But it's it's
really not something you should play around with because the
chance of something happening is there and it's real and
like like Joe Frankie was the one that always told me,
and I will say this, I hope he's wrong with
this he said.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Demons don't work on your time. They work on their time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
So if you play with Ouisi board when you're fifteen
and you open something up, that demon may come back
when you're Sixtyson Lowis moment and then come after you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I've been preaching there for twenty five years. If this
is what I this is what this is what drives
me crazy, and this is why I don't I don't
understand why people can't connect these dots. When you're using
a Ouiji board, it is a form of possession because
when you have the board and you have the plan
chet on the board, you are asking a spirit whose

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identity you have no idea what you're connecting to. You
are allowing them to control your motor functions, your hands
to move the planchet. That in of itself is a
form of possession. So why would anybody do this? Why
would you surrender your skeletal system, your muscular system to
a spirit to be able to control and manipulate your

(01:12:24):
body to push the planchet. That is so it's irresponsible,
it is dangerous, and why people do it? It drives me,
And you're right, it's all about intent. Dangerou stuff, Dangerou stuff.
This is a great question, and I there's a lot
of great questions. Actually, what is your favorite device? When

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you investigate, is there a particular favorite device, you're like, yeah,
this is perfect Nicole's asking.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
Yes, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
To me, there's no better piece of equipment than a
digital recorder, because when you know, a lot of a
lot of tools we use are flawed and there are
things that can set them off naturally. An audio recorder,
especially some of the older recorders we use. I still

(01:13:15):
even have some that have, you know, tapes in them.
It's tough now because you always have to use a
new tape so that you don't have a chance of
you know, something still being on there from the last thing.
If you're erase it, there's still remnants of it. But
to me, those old recorders there, they're so hard to
even get from the recorder to the computer to try.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
To manipulate them. But if you ask a question and
you get a direct response, and when I say direct response,
I mean something clear, not all the static.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
You have to be able to weed that out world.
Your mind just does audio paradilia and you start hearing
things that aren't there. But when you hear something clear
as day. To me, that is some of the best evidence.
You can capture videos very hard.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Is there a particular digital recorder that you we know
the real expensive ones, but is there a particular one
that you really really like.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
There's a couple I like, there's a sony.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
I think it's st I'm going to get this wrong.
The twenty five, the twenty five and the ten. The
twenty five is really good, of course I have. I
do have a d sixty because I had to. I
did not pay those prices for it, though, But I
do have one, and I do use it a lot.
And I will say this, We have captured me and

(01:14:38):
other people that have their own some of the most
helping EVPs ever on those recorders.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
But ninety percent of the time it is not anything,
or it could be. You just can't. It's just static.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
You have to understand that the recorder is flawed, so
as long as you can underst and that you will
get good ones from it. Sometimes I've had some that
were so clear. I mean, we'd had one up using
a d R sixty up here at the Riddle House
that actually, when they were asking a question direct is straight.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
To me and it said he's dead.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
And it actually talked over the person asking the question,
and then I had an attachment for two weeks and
one of the rare times.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
So now Michael's asking on Facebook about scrying. For those
of you who don't know what scrying is, it's like
it's referred to as seeing or peeping, its divination, fortune telling. Basically,
it involves gazing to a medium hoping to receive significant visions,
et cetera. Messages. What are your thoughts on on on.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
This, Well, you know, I've never personally done it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
I know people who many different types of sprying, water, mirrors,
all types of different things, and you know, it's like
anything else. I mean, what you're doing is a form
of communication.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
So there's a good chance of getting something we had.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
I work real closely with War Party Paranormal, which Scotty
used to be part of. They are great people. They
are really good investigators. They're amazing builders. They build a
lot of equipment, and they've used some things that are
similar to scribing, but using smoke, and it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
Seems you've seen some interesting things to it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
You know, it's it's a tough thing with scriying because
it's it's kind of like, you know, what's the You
have to try to balance the difference between is it
something real or is it something your mind is playing
your trick on you, because you know, we do have
a thing called paradolia, which is your mind, you know,

(01:17:01):
trying to make something familiar out of something unfamiliar.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
It's like the cloud. Do you look at the clouds
and there's an animal? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Yeah, right, right, So your your mind looks for that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
So and especially if you're doing this, that's what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
You're looking for something. So I believe it's possible.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
It's just like anything that's a weigi board, like anything
that you're doing that's a communication.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
You're gonna get some responses from it. I know people
who swear by it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
And you said that's war party paranormal. Yes, yep, now
it scot Okay. Now Starla is asking on TikTok, And again, folks,
I'm trying to get because there's multi If you're asking
multiple questions, I'm trying to get to them. There's a
lot of people asking questions, so we got to be fair.
But I've opened up the chat for everybody on TikTok.
So if you would like to ask a question. For
those of you just joining us, we're talking to my friend,

(01:17:51):
doctor Bill Slevin. He's a paranom investigator, parapsychologists, demonologists, researcher, educator,
thirty six years of experience, PhD in parapsychology, metaphysical humanistic science,
and so of course he also has this team that
he's he founded Paranormal Existence Research Society. It's a pretty
interesting name. That's a cool name, by the way, Paranormal

(01:18:11):
Existence Research Society. So she asked, and I asked for clarification.
She says, do paranormal investigators have to conjure anything out?
And I, well, I need clarification on the word conjuring
things she's referring to. Do you have to basically call
them out to get evidence, to provoke? What is your
experience on that, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
You should never ever provoked.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
In my opinion, we don't provoke because the only time
we provoke is me if I'm on a case trying
to assess if it could be demanded, Because you have
to provoke a little bit there to to find out,
you know, that's one of the things we say that
is dangerous for people who don't understand things if they

(01:18:56):
go into a home and maybe it is something demonic
in there, but they don't know. They're just used to,
you know, a ghost and they start throwing holy water
around and singing prayers. That's going to provoke it, and
that's going to call it out. And now they're not
going to know what to do. So I would stay
far away from provoking anything. You know, we do see

(01:19:17):
it on shows, and again it's entertainment at times, but
they're also in real places, using real equipment, and they
can easily provoke something. And I'm sure and we do know,
I will say, we do know. Some of them have
had problems.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
You know, there's a again for those of you on TikTok.
I've opened up the chat for everybody. We had to
close the chat because I'll imagine there were some trolls
coming in and being really disrespectful. So can you imagine
that Amber's asking on TikTok, was there ever a case

(01:19:52):
that you just you had to walk away from?

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Well, yeah, yes, I will say yes, I have never
walked away from a case.

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
I will never turn people away.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
I've had people that gave us such problems, as you know,
and we went back and forth, back and forth.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
I usually don't walk away.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
The only time I ever walked away from a case
when we did research on the people and found them
to be very violent with violent past crimes and many
different charges on them, to where there was no way
I was bringing my team into that house.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
Yeah, I guess so. Not on the paranormal side.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Now, Aditi is on Tiktoks asking ken an entity or
has an entity ever followed you home? If you go
someplace else, Let's say you go to a location it's
known to have activity, you go back home, followed you home,
or you go to another location as have you ever
had that experience?

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
I've had things follow me home a few times most
of the time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
This is This is where I believe people get confused
to when we say attachments. So attachment doesn't always mean
it's a ghost, you know, sitting on your shoulders.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
It could mean that they just.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
Threw their negative energy on you and now you're dealing
with that negative energy. So like a lot of places
I tell them, like if you go to Waverley Hills
or places like that, very rare something's going to follow
you out of there because they're attached to that place.

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
But if you provoke it and piss it off, it
can throw its.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
Energy on you, you know, uh, and come home with
you that your energy, their energy comes home with you,
or something can follow you. But it's that's more, in
my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:21:48):
More rare that it just follows you out of there.
You know, I've had it a bunch of times. It's
it's not fun.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
It is something that you won't realize what it is
if because you're going to get you're sick, you're having
bad luck.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
You know. I had to get the last one. I
had to get cleansed and blessed and to get it
off me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
And it was it was a little bit of a nuisance,
you know. So I mean, be cautious anytime you go
on anything, even if it's a ghost tour.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
Just be respectful.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
That's the only thing you have to worry about. You're
not going to go on a ghost tour and counter demons.
It doesn't work like that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
And Don is asking on TikTok for those of who's joining us,
we're having our paranormal Friday conversation. Uh, and Don is
asking on TikTok, how do you explain a ghost device
saying someone's name she was, so she was at her
grandmother's grave and it said mom's name. Oh, she said,
his name is Mom's name, over and over and over.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
Was this a device or was this an app? Because
I'll tell you the difference. Okay, So it was a device?

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Okay, yeah, so Don, you'll have to clarify it. Was
it an actual device? I have a feeling it was
probably an app. But by the way, Don just let
us know either way. That way you can larify. And
Jaxon's asking, what do you feel about the ghost box?
Is it similar to a voice recorder? And your thoughts
on that? He says it doesn't app?

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
Again, is that is that the app? The ghost block app? Oh? No,
a spirit box? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Don? Don says hers was an app, and then Jackson's asking,
ghost box.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
Okay, so the app?

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
The problem is it depends on where you were, what
you were talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
Like I said, some of them use active listening, so
they hear what you're asking. That you can actually pull
names from.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Your contact list just because it doesn't ask you if
you give permission to.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
Use the stuff on your phone, it doesn't mean it doesn't.
It's very known that it does. So it's it's tough
to say on that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
I don't want to say it definitely not, but I
would think it was pulling something somehow from what you
guys were talking about or the area. It is possible
if it's kept saying it repeated. It is possible because
it does use a word bank. So if it's compeating
a name, that's a little more you know, on the
side of it could be something.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:24:12):
Now it's spirit boxes. Ghost boxes.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
They are one of those big things out there that
have a lot of controversial to because you know, they
do scan radio frequencies, so they do get noise and
voices and everything from the radio stations. But the box
is going very fast. So what I say about this
is again you also have audio paradelia. If you're sitting

(01:24:36):
there and you're listening to the spirit Box and you
have three people there and they're asking questions and they
say something like did you work here or live here?
Every person in that room is now their mind is
trained to listen and listen for work or live. So
definitely do what's called the ST's method or the Delco experiment.

(01:24:56):
So what that is as you put noise canceling headphone
into the fair box. You put them on your head
and you put either a blindfold for the STS method
or the Delco goggles for the Delco experiment, and that
just all that does is it does red light deprivation
into your eyes.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
That enhances your your psychic abilities.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
And when you're listening, you cannot hear what we're asking.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
All you're doing is yelling out anything you hear.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
And when you watch the video back later and you
see yourself responding to a random word, maybe you heard,
but it's a direct response to somebody's question. That's where
it becomes more real because they have no influence of
what's being asked.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Okay, so again those of you are just tuning it.
So I've run the show on two different computers, so
I got lots of chats open, so I can only
I can only ask one question at a time, So
just be patient. We're going to wrap things up here
pretty soon. But skip to Grace is asking where does
faith come in for you when doing your work?

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
For me, faith is a you know, it is definitely
a big part, especially anything.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
That comes to the demonic side.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
Because that's the only thing that protects you and that's
the only thing that could really help. We deal with
a lot of different faith We don't turn anybody away.
We'll work with them. We have people on my team
that are pretty much every faith you could imagine that
we will work with them with whatever faith they want.

(01:26:42):
But when I go into a house and I'm checking
things out, no matter what they think, I'm going to
use my faith and what I believe because that's the
only thing that's going to.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Protect all of us. So it does play a big role.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
I mean, if you're not a very religious person, it
doesn't mean you can't become an investigator. I wouldn't try
to be a demonologist, but you know, you can still
do what you're doing and maybe have somebody else on
the team that knows that has more faith and can help.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yes, splimith the answer the question. The answer is yes.
But we're talking paranormal alectry questions, the theological questions. In
a moment a lion's vs. D Well, I'm just going
to get the whole entire thing. He's asking there or
they're asking what are what are your your Catholic You
said you are a raised Catholic. What are your views
on tarot readers and psychics and mediums, he said, they

(01:27:38):
said the Bible is clear on that. So what are
your views on this as far as your team and
do you allow it?

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Well, this is where I have a definite different of opinion,
maybe to my faith in stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:27:53):
I know a lot of people, even my wife, who
is religious, but she does our readings. She does energy healing,
which is using a pendulum.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
I I believe that if they're doing it for the
right reasons and it's to help people, and I.

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
Believe it is okay.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
It's nobody on my team will do tower readings or
or pendulum thing, there any anything to clients, because that's
even psychics on our team.

Speaker 5 (01:28:27):
Our psychic is not there to.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Give a reading to the client. They're there to read
the room and see what's going on. That's a totally
separate thing when you're on a team. So I do
support all of that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
I just don't support it on my.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Team as a as a form of investigation. The pendulum
is a little different because my wife does that for
energy healing, and that's a different story.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
But that's how I feel on it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Fair enough, And again, for those of you are on TikTok,
I did put the sub chat on earlier because of
the troths were coming in and being very aggressive and
rude and disrespectful. So we don't allow that here. We're
all adults. We don't put up with the nonsense. And
then I turned it off and as long as people
are kind and respectful, I'll leave the chat for everybody.
But again, I'm not going to apologize for placing a

(01:29:17):
sub chat on when people come in and say some
pretty vile things and then people get upset because I
put subchat on. Go figure anyway, So let's see. Oh
there's a well, one more question that will wrap this up.
Tara is asking what would be a good equipment to
start investigating with, in your opinion, get a recorder.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
That's the first thing. If you want to film what
you're doing, get some kind of camera.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
I will tell you right now it is very very
rare that you capture anything on video. You know, you
can get the MF readers. I do like the spirit boxes.
They are very good, you know, as long as you
know how to use them. But for me, those are
kind of the basic things to start out. You know,

(01:30:10):
it's different if you go into a person's house, but
doing just regular investigations at places those are your basic
things that will come in the most handy in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Okay, and guys, we're not closing the show out. I'm
just I've held my our friend here for thirty minutes,
a little later than we anticipated. So again, just to clarify,
as a Catholic as you are, you personally are not
going out saying that people are going to burn the
fiery pits of Hell if they are a psychic medium.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
I missed the last that question.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
So you as a Catholic, So you're a Catholic, do
you are you okay with people saying, look, I have
a gift from God, I am a psychic, I'm a
medium as a Catholic, are you okay with that? Or
do you say no, none of your practicing divination, you
should not do that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
No, No, I'm not against them. I'm not against them.
I mean I'm against the ones that are out there
taking advantage of people taking out in the faithway, but
in the in the in the humane way. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Absolutely. So, first of all, how can people get in
touch with you? Besides obviously the email that you presented,
is there there is there any way that they can
do this?

Speaker 5 (01:31:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
So my my website is easiest. It's and it's very simple.
It's billsleven dot com. Okay, all my social media is
Sleven Paranormal, so TikTok you too.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
And I just want to say I have Even though
I'm an it guy and I do know.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
A lot about social media, I have been so busy
over the years with so many things and taking care
of so many cases, I don't get to do a
lot of social media.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
I am working on it more now, like this year.
You will see my YouTube channel. It's there, it just
doesn't have a lot on it yet. The same thing
with TikTok. It's love and Paranormal Instagram, Sleven Paranormal.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
That's the easiest way to find me. My website has
all the links for everything. If you want help, you
could either reach me on there.

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
Or my team site is p E R S f
L dot com and.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
You can fill out a form there that will go
right to me and we will try to get you
the best help we can get.

Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
Well, okay, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Well, have I appreciate you being here, I truly do,
and well and we will wait. I'll address any other
questions a little later. Then we'll do that in just
a second. But I really appreciate you jumping on and
chatting with us, so thank you so much for doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
I appreciate you having me on, I really I do.
And it was I had a good time. And one
more thing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
If anybody does have any questions concerning equipment, concerning their
photo or their video, whatever, they can email me anytime
and I will give them advice on anything, even for
things like what's the.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
Best protection, you know, anything. I am always here to help.
That's why I do this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
I appreciate that because that that's these a lot of
these equipment it's pretty tough.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Yeah, I mean it is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
That's not it's not easy. I mean that some of
these questions, some of these you have to almost have
a PhD just to figure out how to push the
turn it on.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
Yes, there's a lot that is really difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
It is. It is or I'm just naturally blond. Well, well,
thank you so much again, Bill, and I'll reach out
to you after the show a little bit later on
and properly thank you. And I appreciate you taking the time.

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
All right, thanks so much, talk to you soon. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
All right, everybody, that was our buddy bill, So we
appreciate that. I certainly do. I certainly do. People are
mentioning a lot about Deuteronomy. That's fine, fine. I'm concerned
with people loving to throw, you know, Deuteronomy around and
judging groups of people and saying they're doing evil, etcetera, etcetera.

(01:34:13):
But yet they're not following all the other rules. I
find that interesting. For example, the dietary laws also in Deuteronomy.
Deuteronomy chapter fourteen, verse three through twenty one includes restrictions
on consuming certain types of animals, such as pork and shellfish.
So therefore, if you're eating those animals, well, we're supposed
to unlive you. That's what Deuteronomy says. The ritual purity

(01:34:33):
also in Deuteronomy chapter twenty three, verse one through eight,
where it also regulations related to bodily discharges, infections, and
minstrations that were considered impure. Do you follow that? Probably not.
Deuteronomy Chapter twenty two, verse five, laws on clothing, the
prohibitions against wearing clothings made by mixed fabrics. It's interesting
you use Deuteronomy, but I guarantee you're wearing clothing right
now that's mixed fabrics. But do you follow that role.

(01:34:56):
Probably not. By the way, there's also laws on farming
and agri culture Deuteronomy chapter twenty two, verse nine through eleven.
You do not want to have a theological conversation with me,
because there's laws on farming and agriculture Deuteronomy chapter twenty two,
verse nine through eleven that clearly states there's restrictions on
planting different types of crops together and using oxen and
donkeys to plow the same field. And by the way,

(01:35:17):
if you eat food that whether planting is actually together,
you're actually considered unclean. What about Deuteronomy chapter twenty four,
verse one through four. Do you want to talk about
that as well? There's laws on divorce and remarriage. There's
guidelines on specifying conditions under which a man could divorce
his wife and remarry her again, but she can't divorce
her husband. If she does, is considered adultery. Now, do

(01:35:37):
you want to have a theological conversation with me and
throw up Deuteronomy in which you want to judge another
group of individuals, because if you do, you will lose.
Probably not? Okay, Sorry, there was just an individual that
was consistently throwing out Deuteronomy and judging our friend Bill.

(01:35:58):
And yet when your theological degree is from a PhD
crackerjack box, you will not win against him who actually
studied theology and scripture. Now before I was rudely interrupted,
allow me to return. All right, So thank you very much, Bill.
We appreciate, appreciate that Satan is coming for you. Oh boy,

(01:36:22):
here we go. All right, hold on, hold on, everybody,
Slatan is coming for you. It's a violin comntros. I'm

(01:36:42):
playing this song for you. I practice a lot pretty good.
I've composed that myself. Okay, it's called the name of
the song is called whah trolls. You know, you know,

(01:37:04):
wha trolls. Okay, be blessed, be blocked. So anyway, before
I was really interrupted, okay, yeah, a splendid What you
can do is go to USOCC dot org and there's
a lot of information there for you. So yeah, certainly
do so. Yeah that was Judy Anne. Judy Anne sent
me the smallest, the world's smallest violin. So anytime trolls

(01:37:25):
come in and I don't like you, and I don't
like thissh and I don't like that, I just play
the world's smallest violin. Because I really don't care. This
is my advice all of you never accept criticism from
a troll because you'll never go to them for advice.
So why waste your time listening to what they got
to say, because there's nothing they have to say that's

(01:37:46):
actually intelligent. So therefore you just block move just move on.
There you go. I do believe in bigfoot. None ya.
There's a great, great name, great name from TikTok. None yall.
He is asking do I believe in Bigfoot? I do,
and I'll tell you why. I've had this particular show

(01:38:06):
for twenty three years, the Sacred Division, and I actually
spoke yeah, yeah. I spoke to a he was really interesting,
a game warden in Alaska, and he was a Native
Alaskan and he's a game warden, and I asked him
a really fair question. I said, well, maybe because he

(01:38:29):
absolutely swears he saw a bigfoot. He's a Native Alaskan
born and bred, he's lived in the woods all his life.
And I said, well, maybe you saw a bear or
a moose. And he was very kind when he said this,
but it was very straightforward. And he said, Bishop, if
I don't know the difference between a bear and a
moose and a bipedal eight foot creature, then I probably

(01:38:52):
shouldn't be a game warden in the state of Alaska.
He had a point. I mean, he's a Native Alaskan.
They're in the woods. Hello there, God his word. They're
in the woods. That's what they do. And he's not

(01:39:12):
selling he's not selling books, he's not doing any of
that stuff. He just said, look, I know what I
saw it, and he absolutely swears that he saw a bigfoot.
No ifans are, but you're not going to change. You
will not change his mind. I said, what could have
been a grizzly? And again he says, I know the
difference between a grizzly and a bipedal creature that walks

(01:39:36):
as well. I mean there have been, you know, grizzlies
that have walked a little bit. Anyway, I tried my
best to challenge him, but there was no way he
was going to change his mind. Thank you guys for
the gifts. So because of that, I believe there is
something going on. I have, Yeah, Pamela, I believe there's

(01:39:59):
something going on with the Bigfoot. Now, personally, I am
a mister producer. I really would love to have someone
who is a real professional. I know it's not. I
wouldn't say they're ghosts because they're they actually you can
clearly see them. They're fully I mean, they're they're solid.
I would love to have an expert, a true expert,

(01:40:21):
on with Bigfoot. So if you know anybody, let us know,
because I think that would be And I'm not talking
about somebody who's read or watched YouTube videos and Bigfoot
and said, well there's a makefold out bying. You know,
It's like, okay, here's the deal. There's a lot of
people who talk about, for example, demons. There's a lot

(01:40:43):
of people, thank you, and there's a lot of people
who go on social media and they make videos on
demons and they act like they're experts on demons, and
yet they have never worked a demonic case a day
in their life, never once they watch YouTube or any
other these videos, and now they're experts on demonology. Painal

(01:41:06):
mind to those people, with all due respect, there's a
big difference between watching a video and regurgitating the information
that you learn versus actually being properly trained and working cases.
There's a big difference between that. It's not the same. Yeah,
I'm from Kentucky. So sometimes you're right, I don't speak

(01:41:28):
from Kentucky, but sometimes that that Kentucky twain can come out.
I promise you it's there. I just suppress it. Usually
when I'm dealing with trolls, the Kentucky twain comes out
because I have to be able to relate to them.
So then I reduce the brain cells and then they

(01:41:49):
understand I do the best I can. I try, I
try so, and that's right. Yeah, And even Native American
tribes are quite clear that not only are they convinced
that Bigfoot exists, but also even UFOs. So by the way,
don't forget friends, listen to this, guys. Next week's show

(01:42:10):
is going to be just as great as this show.
There's an individual that I actually saw on TikTok and
I reached out to him and I said, please be
on the show. He escaped from North Korea twice. That

(01:42:31):
and of itself is a miracle. That truly is a miracle.
And the fact is that he escaped twice from North
Korea and he is going to be on the show
next Friday to talk about his experience. That you know
I am in now, I know I know that it's

(01:42:51):
a paranormal Friday show. But I really wanted to have
him on the Friday night show because it is so
it's such an interesting case. So make sure that you
show up. I ask questions, and we will ask him.
It's not often. Yeah, he is, he's in it. He's

(01:43:12):
in the United States. But it is not often that
you find someone who escaped North Korea first of all, once,
let alone twice, and that should be It's going to
be really remarkable, really remarkable. So he's an articulate young
man and boy the story wow, So it's going to

(01:43:34):
be a great So we're looking forward to it, looking
forward to it. Yes, okay, it is frightening. Uh, you know,
I don't know who the derby. I don't know because
unfortunately I've been well, not unfortunately, I've been so busy.
Well well, I don't want to get into no, no,

(01:43:56):
I don't want to get into I don't want to
get ahead of myself and tell you his story and
why he went back. No, no, no, no no. So you'll
have to tune in next Friday, seven pm Eastern Standard time,
right here live. We'll have him on the show. Now,
look at this. This is interesting for those of you
who are gamers out there. TK Randall writes this, there

(01:44:18):
is a bizarre bigfoot simulation video game. It lets you
live as Sasquatch. Well if you've ever wanted to roam
around the forest as a cryptozoological hometed, well now you can.
Developed by Planet forty seven Games, the game enables the
player to become bigfoot and engage in all type typical

(01:44:41):
activities that you might expect. A tall, hairy bipedal that
means walking on two legs, ape like beasts to spend
its time on so catch and eat fish, insects, and
other creatures. That's the game. The game synopsis states. Forage
the forest for that means eat them the forest, rooms, buries,
and more, build shelters to store your items to get

(01:45:03):
through the harsh Winners earn extra points by breaking branches
and scaring the wildlife. The game has its share of
obstacles too, from bigfoot hunters who try to take pictures
of you, to adverse weather conditions. The game, by the way,
is called Bigfoot Life. I think I might have to
check this out. It is the latest example, you know,

(01:45:24):
mister producer, You'll have to check this out too. It's
called Bigfoot Life is the latest example of the highly
popular simulator game genre, which seeks to simulate things that
you wouldn't normally expect to be say simulated, like a
Bigfoot life and one of the weirdest examples. Believe it
or not, there is a game a simulation. The game

(01:45:48):
is called I Am Jesus Christ. This is a true story.
The game is called I Am Jesus Christ. It is
still in development, but aims to enable the players to
role play as Jesus, complete with performing miracles and walking
on water. There's also a high highly popular goat simulator series. Really,

(01:46:24):
I mean really, what's what's the excitement of that? I mean, okay, well, anyway,
what's next a lockless monster simulator. Well, you can find
all of the above mentioned games on the stream platform

(01:46:47):
for PC. So anyway, there it is. Everybody. If you
want to if you want to be Bigfoot, the game
is called Bigfoot Life, and you can learn how to
be then live your life as Bigfoot. Fun and anyway,
the I Am Jesus Christ, boy, that's still in development.

(01:47:10):
That's crazy and really it's highly think of this a
highly popular series. Bigfoot. I'm not Bigfoot, a goat simulator.
Have any of you played this? I'm legitimately, I am,
I am honestly, I'm curious. Have any of you you've

(01:47:31):
played it? Bill? Oh, come on, I'm curious. Has anyone
played this? User on TikTok sayss one of your favorite games. Okay,
I have to do this. I have to do this. Okay.

(01:47:55):
So what you're saying to me is there is a
goat simulator, and well, hold on, hold on, h yeah,

(01:48:15):
most of them are most of the most of the
orbs are are nonsense. I'm trying to find this. Hold on,
So here we go. That was fun. You could be

(01:48:37):
a bird simulator next. Okay, so that that that's is?

Speaker 5 (01:48:42):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Is that what you do? It's just bazz or Oh
shut up, Well that was fun. I guess I won. Okay. Anyway,

(01:49:16):
for those of you who are listening to this on
our podcast, I say good night to you and have
a very blessed evening.