Sacred Division Paranormal

sacred division paranormal

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
From the mysteries of the paranormal to world headline news.
We cover it all. Welcome to the Sacred Division and
now Bishop James Long.

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and with that we just chill, you know, it's nothing scheduled.
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happy Memorial Day weekend. That's absolutely truly. It's a special
weekend that we all obviously recognize and we will will yeah,
thank you there, Judia. We will acknowledge that certainly on
Sunday and then of course on Monday. For those of
you who know, yep, you know, the background is a
little different. We used to have this, actually the background,

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we used to have it all the time. But really
this is kind of like my chapel, and I just
didn't like the idea of paranormal with a chapel kind
of a thing, is like, So anyway, I decided to
go back to the on Friday nights only this is
where you're going to see the background. And I'm going
to take this air conditioning back because it makes a lot,

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a lot of noise. Unfortunately, I have to take it
all apart. I am not looking forward to that because
it just makes that rattling noise is really loud. It's annoying.
But anyway, that's okay, That is okay, need to get
you on with the Bishop in the future too.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh okay, So anyway, there you go, guys. That's what
that's U appd okay. Oh yeah, so there we go, guys.
So I tell you what, There is a lot going on.
We are going to talk about the Annabelle. Everybody is
talking about the Annabelle. We'll talk about that later on,
but right now I want to get into a very

(08:15):
very interesting conversation. We have a special guest, and I'm
excited about this particular guest, and we thank mister producer
for putting this guest together. So thank you. First of all,
I love astronomy, always have and I'm a space nerd.
Those of you who know me know that I listen.

(08:37):
I went to space camp as a kid. Enough said,
So we're going to step into the unknown with Mark D'Antonio.
He's a season astrophysicist and he is the go to
expert for aerial anomalies and extraterrestrial mysteries. He has a

(08:58):
degree in astronomy, and his role as a chief photo
video analyst for the world's largest organization dedicate it to
uncovering strange crafts in our skies. And he's at the
forefront of investigating the unexplained mofon now. He's also as
the host of Skytour Radio on kg R, a dB

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and creator of Skytour Livestream on YouTube. Mark brings the
universe's most astonishing phenomena into focus, revealing stunning images and
videos of objects that defy conventional explanation. Now his work
uncovers the secrets lurking beyond our view, offering a rare
glimpse into the possibility that we are not alone. Now

(09:41):
beyond the cosmos, he's the CEO of FX Models, crafting
intricate effects and models that challenge perception, tools that help
him decode the mysteries of the night sky, and his
knowledge of the universe's hidden stories make him a trusted
voice in the search for truth, and UFOs and alien
visitors join us as we explore the vast unknown beyond

(10:03):
the stars, where secrets of other worldly craft and extra
terrestrial life are just waiting to be uncovered. So let's
bring on our guests. Hello there, Mark, and welcome to
the presentation. Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Well, how thank you so much for having me. This
is great.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, you know, first of all, you love you love space.
I love space. You're in at I mean, come on,
this is like I'm like a fat kid in the
candy store right now, because this is this is like
my this is my my thing. You know, Like I said,
I went to space camp when I was a kid.
You know, of course it was in its infancy back
back in those days.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
But still there. I think when people find out a
little bit more about our own solar system tonight, they're
going to be shocked. I really do. And so first
of all, did I did I make sure I get
your introduction, if I anything else that you want to
add for your intro before we get into the presentation.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well, actually, the only thing is, you know, there's three
different types of people that study the universe, and there
are astronomers, there's astrophysicists, and there's cosmologists. I'm the astronomer.
So I didn't go down the astrophysics branch. I didn't
go down the cosmology branch. But you have to know
obviously a lot about both disciplines to be one of

(11:23):
the three.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
So it's it's sort of all overlapping.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
But so I got my degree in astronomy, and I
knew at age nine nine that I was going to
be an astronomer.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
And that happened after getting a having a missing time event.
Literally that I had a missing time event on a
school outing near the end of the year where we're
going to a pond, and I remember getting.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
On the bus with my little bag lunch.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I remember getting off the bus of my little bag
lunch at the pond. Then all of a sudden, I'm
getting back on the bus with my little bag lunch
and I said.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
When are we going to the pond?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
And the kids were like, we've been there all day,
you do me jer blah blah blah. And I had
lost the whole day and I still had my lunch
in my hands. I felt like I had only just
left my house. It was the weirdest thing. So when
I got home, I started having seizures and they had
to call an ambulance and take me to the hospital
where they discovered that they well, they discovered nothing because

(12:27):
they couldn't figure out what caused it. They had an idea,
they said, O, well, he must have got a concussion
because during the seizure I was pounding my head on
the sands, you know, with my forehead, and so they
saw dirt embedded in my forehead and said, oh, that's
why he got the concussion. He must have fallen on
his face. Well, no, I actually fell in the lot
when I was in the empty lot next to the

(12:48):
house when I was having the seizure, and that's what
caused it. And the weird thing is I remember every
bit of it, except I don't remember any of the
time from when I was at the pond. I don't
remember I think it happening at the pond, nothing whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Now let me ask you. Of course, we know for
those people who follow ufology and extraterrestrial origins and even
people who are abducted by what they describe as aliens UFOs,
many people, it seems like one of the common denominators
there are is always a time lapse. There's always seemed

(13:27):
to be some type of loss of time. Do you
think I'm just throwing this out there? Is there any
evidence that that might have happened from your perception, or
do you think this was just brought on by a
medical situation by caesure.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Well, the thing that happened to me was I remember
the bus, but and the kids in the bus also
said where were you all day?

Speaker 4 (13:51):
And where were you?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
So they didn't see me either, So that was kind
of weird, and I didn't.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Know what to say about that.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I was nine is years old, nine and a half
or so, and I had no idea.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
What was going on.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
So I didn't know that I lost the day until
I thought about it later, you know. And later on
that evening, my mother, I think, asked me, so, how
was Burr Pond which was the pond in touring Connecticut
where I supposedly went, And I said, I don't really

(14:29):
remember it, and I couldn't tell her why I didn't
remember it.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
So because I didn't know, I wasn't afraid. I just
didn't know.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
And the hardest part was when the nurse was using
tweezers to pick the little sand out of my forehead
because that was an abrasion and that really hurt. So
I just wanted to go home, you know, it was
making me cry and it was just terrible.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
You know, that isn't okay. Let me ask you this,
what with your extensive background in astronomy, how do you
distinguish between natural celestial phenomena? And potential UFO sightings.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Oh that's actually a very good question.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I'm as move on the mutual UFO Networks chief Photo
video Analyst, which they pointed me that in two thousand
and eight, and I've been doing it ever since. Can
you believe it? But the problem is, in order to
be a good image analyst video analyst, you have to
be really good at understanding astronomy. As you pointed out,

(15:31):
you have to understand environmental science. You have to understand oceanography,
you have to understand how the atmosphere works, you have
to understand geology.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Because all these things come into play.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Because each case is unique, and people say, look at
that object flying through the sky. Okay, well wait a minute.
This means you also have to know all about cameras
and be able to take photos with cameras in a
million different ways. And I lovingly say I've taken more
bad photographs than anyone has in photography, you know. So

(16:06):
it seems pretty straightforward to me that you bring all
these these observational capabilities to bear, and then you have
this interesting, this interesting capability to sort of uniquely.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Decipher what's going on out there? Now, Am I always right?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Well?

Speaker 4 (16:23):
No, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
But I also make sure that I put all the
data I get through a really really tight funnel. I
call it the processing funnel. You know, the stuff goes
in at the top, goes down, the funnel gets narrow
and narrow and narrow, and that's that. That means I'm
removing possibilities as I go. If it makes it out
of the bottom, it means that all of the natural possibilities,

(16:48):
like you mentioned, we're able, we're discarded as not correct
in this particular case.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
And if it comes out of the bottom, it means.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's a true unknown. And there's not many of those,
as you can imagine, right, I mean unknown account for
maybe half of one percent. And that makes sense because
when you consider how many people have cell phones and
cameras out there of all kinds. They're always taking photos.
Dash cam videos capture things like the Russian media in

(17:19):
twenty twelve, the Chelli Minkx media. That thing came through
and injured a thousand people, and about five hundred dash
cams caught it in Russia, so you saw from so
many different perspectives.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
And angles, so that was really cool.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
So you know, these natural occurrences here on our planet
can often be photographed by people with their cameras, and
everyone has a camera now, everyone has a camera.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Now it's very different from the past.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
So it means that in all likelihood you're gonna get
a tremendous upswing in a number of ordinary objects captured
in extraordinary ways. And that's what I see a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
So let me ask you that how did you get
I mean, so you're an astronomer, so let's talk about
how did you get into move on? And yet, no, folks, people,
but you don't have to be an astronomer to tune end. Guys,
that's not what this is about. This is we're not
doing a lecture on astronomy. We're going to talk about
his Truly, his experience here is pretty Just stay tuned.

(18:22):
I think you're going to be kind of shocked, especially
with his experience with movef on. And that's what I
want to find out. Why did you get into mof on?
What was the point? How did you? How did that start?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, that's actually a really really good questions case. So
after I got home from the hospital at age nine
and a half whatever, just before ten, I realized, Wow,
I don't know why I'm feeling this, but I feel
like I'm being watched. I feel like something up there can.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
See me somehow.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Now I'm a kid at this point, I don't know
really what's going on. And I watched cartoons, you know, Miley,
Coyote and the Road were my favorite cartoon to watch.
You know, you know me me, I loved it. Okay,
But the bottom line is when I have a look
outside and look up in the sky, I felt like
I really needed to dig into what was up there

(19:18):
that didn't know why.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
And this was this when you were nine?

Speaker 3 (19:22):
This is when I was roughly nine years old.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Okay. And so and then how did you get with
mof on? I mean, how does a person with a
degree in astronomy Because a lot of people, let's face it,
a lot of people when you think of alien UFOs, UAPs,
alien abduction. I mean a lot of people that I
know who is in astronomy, they kind of like, sometimes

(19:47):
I hate to say this, but they kind of shrug
at that and roll their eyes.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
So you have a degree, true, you have a degree
in astronomy. So how did you get involved with move On?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah? Move On came first, oh, because I joined Moufon
in nineteen seventy one, two years after it formed. And
the reason I joined was because I saw a flyer
for it in the Plainville, Connecticut Public Library when I
went in to talk to Missus.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Brown, the librarian, about going into.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
The older people's section to get books on chemistry as
a nine year old, you know, And so she allowed
me to go up there and I saw this flyer
for the Midwest UFO Network and I took it and said, ooh,
I want this.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
And for those of you who don't know, move On
is the Mutual UFO Network. It's a US based nonprofit organization.
It's basically composed of civilian volunteers who study reported UFO sidings.
And so the fact that our guest is really, I
mean committed to the organization. So what's the most compelling

(20:58):
piece of evidence that you have from mouf on that
strongly suggest an extraterrestrial origin or is there anything?

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Well, there's a number of cases that I find interesting.
One of the one of the ones I thought was
mostly important to me was a video that was only
three seconds long and it was done gosh back in
I think it was in nineteen fifty two, and it

(21:29):
was a video taken by a videographer who had his
daughter at a stadium and he was there checking it
out prior to some type of broadcast he was going
to be doing later. And he turned his camera to
the sky and he started panning across the sky and
two silver objects went blazing right through and they were

(21:50):
actually there. They went behind the radio antennis and emerged
from the radio antennis and those are really cool.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
That's a very famous case. And so that's an example.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Another example is the case, and this one is more
of a witness testimony case because he can't really ever
say that someone who sees something has relaying it exactly
as such.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
However, what if.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
It's from people on a ship at sea, and what
if it's a trained crew, never mind that, what if
it's US Navy personnel. And that's an example. Another one,
and that was like the uss Omaha, there was an
object in the sky that people saw. There was another
one where the sailors on the deck saw this thing

(22:39):
flying through the sky. They didn't know what it was,
and it came out of the ocean at high speed
and then went up into the sky. Not one person
saying it because they were on the deck smoking a
cigarette or something. But multiple sailors said, well, what is that.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Look at that? Look at that.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
It became flying out of the water now. And that's
actually a more recent case. So there's a lot of
these cases which are not They don't have video and
photo evidence because it happens too quick. However, these things
were witnessed by multiple people of credible background, and that's

(23:14):
the thing that's really incredible. I myself eyewitnessed something. I
was on the US submarine only as a guest because
I also to work for the Navy with my business
effects models, as you mentioned, And as I was doing
some special project work, and they said, hey, would you
like to go out on the submarine into the Atlantic?

Speaker 4 (23:35):
I said, of course. I didn't know what I was
getting into.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
It was the best time I had getting sea sick,
I gotta tell you, Oh yeah. And so while I
was seasick on the boat, I was down sitting next
to one of the kids at the sonar station. There
was four sonar stations, and he was on the last
one on the end on the right, and I set
to his left after asking permission, of course, and then.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'm starting to drift off, closing my eyes.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
And all of a sudden I'm jolted awake by him
yelling to the Cohn consolar consoonar fast mover, fast mover,
and I jolted awake, thinking, oh, no, it's a torpedo.
I'm gonna die out here. Why did I say to
go on this trip? I really thought it was the
end of my life, and it scared me, like and
terrified me. In fact, that was embarrassed at how terrified
I was. And then the executive officer comes around the

(24:24):
corner and if you know the sonar set up, because
he's kind of around the corner a little bit, and
he just sort of nonchalantly walks up and says, oh,
what do you got? And I'm thinking, Wow, this guy's
got you know, he's got, you know, guts that just
be so calm. And then he the kid turns to
him and it's noisy on the sub. You can't really

(24:44):
hear a lot going on if they speak at average voices,
if they're not directed at you. So I didn't hear
him give the bearing and the range to the executive
officer known as the XO. But then he said, how
fast is that moving? And the kid held his hands
out to his side turnside was in his see facing
away from me, and loudly said several hundred knots, sir,

(25:07):
I mean that's several hundred miles an hour underwater.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait yeah, so,
oh no, I believe you. So you're in you're with
the military. You're in a ship, military ship, and someone
will submarine and you're in a submarine.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
That was a submarine water.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
So you're in a submarine and they now see it
is something on radar and it's soar sonar. I'm sorry,
and it's traveling. You said several hundred miles.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Per hour underwater.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
That's correct. That was my first introduction to unknown submerged
objects USOS.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Now, look, you're an astronomer. You're a bright you're a
bright man.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
And that's I was questioning myself the whole time. Let
me tell you.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well, okay, for those of you who just if you're
just tuning in on Bishop Long, we're talking to our
new mark. Is it di Antonio? Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
All right, we're speaking to our friends. And I appreciate
him being on. He has a degree in astronomy. He
is a plays really it's a very important role that
he plays in move On, and we've talked about this
and I'm telling you he also is a host of
Skytour Radio and kg R e dB Radio and a
creator of sky Tour live streams on YouTube, so or

(26:24):
tube to the you, I can't say that because you
know getting punished in TikTok.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
But nonetheless, well it's Skyter live stream on TikTok too, so.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
It's it's oh, there we go, there we go TikTok.
So you're telling me that you're in a submarine and
they see something on sonar. So if it's something on sonar,
could it be? Is it always for those people who
are not maybe necessarily advance or knowledgeable on sonar when
they pick things up on sonar? Does that mean it's
always metallic or some type of metal or machinery or

(26:57):
can it be let's just say an animal.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yes, it could be a whale. A whale singing will
come in through sonar because it's sound. All it has
to be a sound. Okay, if you if you poke
a tin can underwater, the sound will travel ten times
further underwater than it will on land, okay, because sound
really is well transmitted by water okay, okay, So.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Could it could it have been something? Could it have
been some type of sound that something was emitting, which
obviously you saw going several they saw several hundred miles
per hour? Is that possible?

Speaker 4 (27:35):
No?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
And the reason why is because the sound would have
to be the sound would still have to emanate from
something moving that fast. Okay, because if a sound wave
passes you, there's nothing else behind it to see or hear. Okay.
So basically the object is going to be moving past
the submarine at high speed. And it's not the only case.

(27:57):
The USS Hampton had the same thing happened with it
sailors on board one year, and other navies have been
reporting unknown Summer's objects that go fullos depth and with
themselves weight to the surface very quickly. Now I'm a
science guy, did I necessarily believe this stuff? At first?

Speaker 4 (28:14):
I was like, how could that possibly work?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
And I've talked to a lot of other physicists and
astronomer isn't like me and try to say, you know,
what can possibly explain what's happening here? And no one
can explain it. But guess what no one says, well,
that's just blowney. I don't believe it, because they know enough,
at least in my circles, they know enough to be

(28:39):
open minded, all right, Because I'm an open minded guy.
I'm you know, science has this tendency to be very
arrogant in some places, in some circles, and that's not me.
I just can't be because there's too many things I've
seen in experience that just don't fit.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
So what do you think this was? I mean, traveling
underwater one hundred miles per hour, I mean, what do
you think this was?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Well, let's say what it's not, and let's look at
the possibles. Remember my funnel of processing. I went through
this and I thought, okay, could this be some type
of reflected sound coming off of another moving object? Several
moving objects that just happened to be in the way.
I thought about that, like four ships in the distance,

(29:28):
and sound got emanated to one hit us, went back,
went back, went back, and we got it just a
little bit later.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Could it have been that?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
The answer was no, Because the sonarman on a boat
knows every single sound. They can identify a ship by
the sound that the propeller makes. They can tell you
what it was. They can tell you if all of
the blades of the propeller are intact, or if there's
some with chips or barnacles. They can hear and understand
and see all that.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
They're very good at that.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
So what else it wasn't was another another weapon of
some kind, because there's no weapons on Earth yet that
we have that move several hundred miles an hour underwater. Now,
some of your listeners are gonna say, oh, but the
small torpedo from Russia. Yes it does, it goes about
two hundred miles an hour. But guess what. It's a

(30:19):
steam torpedo. It leaves a trail of steam behind it.
And guess what that is so loud. It's the loudest
thing in the ocean. And this was nearly silent.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Well, and why would a torpedo be launched towards you
guys in the first place?

Speaker 4 (30:35):
So yeah, and that that wouldn't happen.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
So and in my estimation and everybody in the boat,
it didn't happen. Now there's more to the story, because
after that happened, the sonar guy told them all those things.
And of course I'm very familiar with these things they're
calling fast movers on this boat. So I got up
and I went over to the XO and said, sir,
I'm very familiar with these fast movers or anything I

(31:00):
can help you with. He looked at me, he said,
D'Antonio right, sir, Yes, sir. Are you having a good time, sir? Yes, sir,
let's keep it that way, and he walked away.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
So, in other words, need to know. And even though
I had the ability to know what they were looking
at at that clearance level at the time I wasn't
in that program, it was actually beyond the XOS level
as well. Wow. And so it was about four years

(31:31):
later after I got off that boat I started looking
into the USOS and that just struck me as wow,
this is really cool stuff, and it made sense. If
they're here from another world, they're not going to be
in the far side of the room. They're going to
be in our oceans because they can't and it's a
perfect place to observe us, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
So basically, are you saying that you think this was
in fact alien sometime of alien craft.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I don't doubt that possibility exists. Yes, And we can't
deny the possibility. Let's put it that way, and I'll
tell you why. I remembered that quote from the Solarman
and from the XO about the fast mover program. Two
years later, four years was to be exact. I had
to do a job for the Joint Chiefs and I

(32:19):
had to take a project down to the Joint.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Chiefs and deliver it personally one of the chiefs.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
And while I was sitting with him, I said to him,
and my mind was saying, don't ask, don't ask, don't
do this, don't do this, and the words you're already
coming out, sir, what can you tell me about the
fast mover program? And he looked at me.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
And I was like, oh no.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I actually covered my mouth, like, oh, I shouldn't have
said that, and he looked at me and he goes,
I'm sorry, Mark, I can't talk about that program. And
I was like, oh, oh, it's real. They do have
such a program. So I found out through other submariners
and other countries submariners that these things are seeing all

(33:01):
over the world by many different navies. And I look
back at history, there's a lot of people that have
chronicled these and wrote books about them, I haven't, but uh,
and one like, for instance, a Japanese cargo ship, the
Kitsikawa Muru, was traveling towards Japan and their crew all

(33:21):
saw these disks fly out of the water, and they
had the presence of mind to mark the latitude and
longitude of this location exactly. And the Japanese crew, not
prone to lying, not prone to telling tall tales, they
ass that information on and I looked at the latitude

(33:42):
and longitude and guess where it is. It's right at
the bottom end of the Marianas Trench almost exactly. And
the Marianna's Trench, as many people know, is the deepest
part of our Russian right.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, so we've had this conversation for ten minutes. What
do you think it was? To me, it sounds like
there's no other way that I can possibly I mean,
was it a human It doesn't sound like it was,
you know, man made.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
No, I agree with you. I do not think it
was human made.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
I do believe that it was very likely extraterrestrial in origin.
And guess who else thinks that too? Are you as Navy?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Really?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
They? Yeah? In fact, they now instruct their students for
surface Navy and undersea Navy in how to handle these situations.
By the way, deciding if you call it that the
experience on the boat that I had, you're ready for this.
It was decades ago, decades plural. So these things have

(34:52):
been in our waters probably for hundreds of years, and
they probably come and gone and they end up on
cave walls as pictographs, okay, they end up in culture
as paintings and so forth. So there's a lot of
influence these have had. I mean, in Australia, the Kimberly

(35:12):
region of the northern end of Australia, there was a
group of creatures called Wanngena, the Loengena, and the Aboriginal
people that came up with us. The Wangina were said
to have come from the sky, live under the sea,
and have full mastery of the water. And that's interesting
because they make these diagrams and pictographs paintings in the

(35:35):
walls of caves, and they show alien faces like the
grays that were so used to seeing with the big
eyes and the tiny little mouths.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
This is what they show and they have and.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
This is somewhat controversial, but I discovered that in all
all around the world, many times the deed that people
show have halos around their heads. And the interesting thing
about that to me is that and two things can
be true at once. It could be a deity, but

(36:10):
could also be some type of biological screen to prevent
journals from getting in to an advanced technology because.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
They're going to work the same way we do.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
By the way, they're carbon based most likely, and they're
probably going to utilize oxygen like we do.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
And I think that's kind of important, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
So let me ask you this is there, can you
just for those and moderators on TikTok if you could
just remind people are our guests, so when people are
coming in that way, there's a lot of new people
coming in that way. I don't need to keep reminding
people over and over. If you guys can just that'd
be great things. Bill. So, can you describe a particularly
memorable UFO video or photograph that you have analyzed and

(36:52):
that really was memorable and what made it stand out
to you?

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, sure, Because as you know, and I mentioned, we
have these remote observatories out in the Arizona Desert. We
call them the sky through a live stream, that's what
we do, and then they're on YouTube, et cetera, a
lot of social platforms and TikTok.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
I have a TikTok channel too for sky to a
live stream all one word.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
And one of the things that I noticed, we have
an all sky camera at our Sonoran Desert location. We
have two observatories in a Sonoran location. I watched an
object come through and make an abrupt turn off at
an angle and it was it looked to me like
a satellite until it wasn't. It came across the sky

(37:37):
and then took an abrupt turn and went down in
another direction. Satellite wasn't an aircraft.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Satellite certainly, And with how far you say that you
are an observatory, how how far would you say this was?
Was it in Earth's atmosphere? Was it in space?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
It looked to me based on seeing all the other
satellites that night, which all go in straight lines. As
you were probably about to know, these satellites now they go, oh,
they arc up, they disappear when the terminator, when they
go across the terminator of the Earth, the dark side
of the Earth from their perspective, and this one ended
up being came from the eastern horizon, all right, Well,

(38:16):
western horizon. Sorry, went up into the sky and then
can I almost near the top to the zenith right
over seat, right overhead. It probably took like a forty
degree turn and took off in another direction. And I
would say it looked to me like it had to be,
you know, minimally the altitude of the space station, which
is two hundred plus miles.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
We were very bad at estimating distances when we don't
have another observation point. But I was comparing it to
the brightness of satellites, and so this was about two
hundred miles.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
I would say.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Another one was I saw this amazing object of the
sky on my all sky camp and I saw this
half circle in the sky, a really tiny half circle
on the on the if the if the all skycam
image will say twelve inches across. The circle was about

(39:09):
a half inch in size, okay, in diameter, so there
was half an inch of circle okay, sorry, a curve,
a curve that goes like diameter about half inch. And
then the next frame was another twenty four seconds, so
it was a forty eight second time it took for
us to do it. And it did one half circle

(39:30):
and you see a light and then did the other
side of the circle, and you still saw the light
the same brightness. Now, if that was say a military
jet on maneuvers, first of all, could it make that
tight a turn? And the answer is probably not unless
it was exceedingly high in the atmosphere. But if it did,
would you see it the entire time? What are the

(39:50):
bright things that you see on one of these military
jets the exhaust and the exhaust is bright, and you'll
see it halfway around anyway, but then when it's coming
towards you, you won't see it. So at most I
should have seen a half a circle. I saw the
whole circle and that didn't make any sense. So that
was odd. The changing direction thing was odd. So I

(40:14):
feel that the night sky is under watched.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, no question about that. And so in your opinion,
what would you say on that is the most credible
sightings reported to move on in recent years? Is there
anything at all in like in your opinion? Okay, that's extraterrestrial,
without question.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
I haven't been able to identify any that were specifically extraterrestrial,
but I will say, and of course how can we write,
We don't know, but I will say that I because
I work on the on the History Channel show The
Proof is out there as their chief photo of video
analysts as well, and I just did a case for
them for season five coming up. And I'm not trying

(40:59):
to plug it. I'm just saying sure. And this was
the one of the very few that I said, I
can't explain this. So over time, some of that has happened.
The uss Omaha case, which I got that was odd.
I couldn't explain that. The story about the guy with

(41:19):
the sixteen millimeter camera filming the silver objects moving through
the sky that I couldn't explain. The lights over Washington,
d C. I couldn't explain that one. That was way back,
and I guess what was that the late forties or
something or fifties. Don't remember the exact day. And of course,
you know, I'm still on the fence about roswell and

(41:41):
so forth, and.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
About that roswell, So you're on the fence. You have
not made a decision as to whether or not that
was extraterrestrial or as they call it, a weather buldown.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, I think that people in that area know all
about weather balloons, right, Okay, they've certainly seen them all
the time, so I felt that that exploit explanation was.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Lacking, to be kind, so do I mean because they
even described as like metallic substance or fabric. If you
would that they would crumble it and would just you know,
just uncrept, not it would just straighten out basically this
this whatever it was. Yeah, I've heard, and then of
course I've also heard and I read where the people

(42:25):
that actually saw it and then they reported it, and
then their stories completely changed when the military got involved,
which seems obviously a little bit strange to me. I
don't think you have to be a you know, a
ufologist to figure out something is not it's not a
conspiracy theories. I mean, they just changed their complete and
total story when the military got involved.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah, that's that's true. And i'll tell you right now.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
One of the things that's really weird, and this this
is a thing that bothers me for years and years
and years and years that I say years and years,
the military has been denying that this activity is out there.
Right now, suddenly they're saying, okay, okay, we admit it.
There's stuff happening, but you know, we can't guarantee it's extraterrestrial.

(43:11):
If you realize the shift in the attitude of the
US government and the governments around the world, all of
a sudden, US pilots could never say there was a
UFO in this guy.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
True.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Now they can and they do.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
And why do you think that is? Why do you
think there's a shift.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I think it's a shift because the US government coined
a new word. They call it UAP, not UFO. UFO
connotes tinfoil hat and crazy people with Blobelians. That's what
it cannotes, that's what it tries that tried to portray,
and it has for years because people have successfully beaten
down the possibility when the government points the term called

(43:50):
ua coins a term called UAP.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Well, now it's different. And now you have Navy.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Fighter pilots saying, yes, we saw these things we couldn't explain.
And that's another video that I can't explain. Is the
TIC TAC and the others that you know that I
can't explain. No, some I can, some I can't. So
now you have the US government saying, well, we know
there's things that don't make sense. And by the way,
there's a fast mover program for sub sub c sailors

(44:18):
as well to report and the US Navy's position on
underwater anomalies like this, observe and report, do not engage.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
And of course we're gonna a bill bill, and we're
going to talk a little bit in a moment about
your personal possible what what what, your personal possible et
experience in your home, and so we're gonna talk about
that in just a second. And at the nasal probe
and your ghost dog in your workshop, so we'll talk

(44:50):
about those in a second. I'm looking forward to having
that conversation. But so, have you observed any recent developments
in the UFO technology or phenomena that are particularly intriguing
to you.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Well, I believe that all that's keeping us from discovering
whether they're actually here or not is their technology, and
little by little we're learning to pierce their veil and
get through it. I've worked with other scientists. I've worked
with a Fleer scientist, a good friend of mine named
Dave Mason. He's fantastic and we were talking just yesterday

(45:28):
actually through messenger, and Dave and I have ideas for
trying to detect underwater anomalies and I used to work
before he passed away unfortunately. With Douglas Trumbull, famous special
effects guy, and working with him for ten years, and
we were working on an aerial and an underwater system
to be able to detect anomalists craft in our skies.

(45:51):
So there's other people out there developing similar technologies. More
and more, more is better, Okay, we should have people
out there that can do this and have the technology
to bring to bear, because all we have to do
is pierce their veil, and we have to some extent.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
You would think that if they're so advanced when it
comes to technology, which clearly they must be, then you
would also think that they are far more advanced as
far as being able to cloak or even hide, perhaps
maybe even being monitored through our technology, because you're, I mean,
you're considering, Look, if you've got some type of UAP,

(46:33):
for example, going two hundred miles per or even three
hundred miles per hour underwater, and we can pick it
up on sonar, and that's all fine and good. But
if they're that advanced in technology, you would think that
there would be a way that they could easily escape
our radar or sonar capabilities, wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yeah, Actually, everything you said was a good assumption, except
the word easily. Okay. They still have to live within
the physics of our universe, okay. And the physics of
our universe means that if you suddenly appear at a
spot under the ocean, you're gonna make a noise. That's
the physics of displacement of ocean water rapidly. Okay. So

(47:15):
that's gonna happen, and you can't really control that, you know.
And so the same thing goes for when you look
at a craft moving across the sky, right, it's going
to pick up light from stuff hitting it, or if
it's self illuminated. There's no way they're gonna stop the
light from leaving their craft. Okay, they can. There's in fact,

(47:39):
one of the most popular lectures I give is on
how they may travel inter dimensionally. Now I mentioned this
to you before. I think I've worked with Avi Low
on a few television programs. He's the chairman of astrophysics
at Harvard, and Avi just said, probably less than a
year ago, that he believes aliens could possibly be traveling interdimensionally.

(48:02):
And I've been giving a lecture on this for the
last three or four years now, So it's starting to
reach mainstream science, you know, and this possibility is something
that is really really important because that's probably the only
way that they can actually be here from far away.

(48:22):
I mean, think about it. At the fastest possible speed
we can go, right, it would take us ten thousand
minimal years to get to Alvasonduri, the nearest star. It
took us ten years to get the Pluto at the
fastest speed we were able to muster and a probe.
So the universe is very large. The scale is incredibly immense.

(48:44):
The Sun, which gives you light every day and hits
you in the face, you feel that he hit you
in the face, that's traveled ninety three million miles. And
to do that at the speed of light, which is
one hundred and eight two hundred and sixty two miles
per hour, that's seven times around.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Years and a second.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
By the way, a little over, it still took it
eight minutes to get here. So the scale is massive,
So you would have to create technologies to kind of
negate that whole scale. And that's the process that I
think they use. And I have a way to my
friend Bob Shulter, who actually wrote a book on it,

(49:22):
I have a way of sharing that with people so
they can see how aliens really could go from here
to very very long distances away in just a few minutes,
not in tens of thousands of years.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
So, if in fact they're traveling interdimensional, is it possible
that when their final stop could be actually in the
water itself when they manifest, whether or not be through
their universe or their solar system, whatever it is that
they're traveling from and to get here. Isn't it possible
that instead of arriving here into our airspace and then

(49:55):
entering into the water making a noise, making a splashing noise.
Who's to say that they, if they're not interered in
miss on the flight, that they can actually pinpoint, now
we're going to appear there, and we're going to appear
in the water where there is no flash or splash
or sound.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
That is correct, and what you say is actually correct.
They could just appear there, and in fact I think
they do. And the reason that the reason that they
can do this has to do with the ability of
them to leave the four dimensions X, y, and z
moving through time. You know, you have an X coordinate
in a white coordinate is e coordinate, you know, left

(50:30):
up in three dimensional coordinate at a certain point in time. Well,
if you want to go to like ten feet away,
you can walk those You can walk to the next coordinates,
and you travel the space between the first place you
were standing and the second place you're about to end up.
You travel that distance. Well what if you don't want

(50:50):
what if there's a way to not have to travel
the distance?

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Okay, Well that is.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
The technology we're talking about. And this is something that
actually has surprising potential of physics behind it, you know,
And that's the thing, so I call it punch out
punch in technology. The actual technology has to do with
something called Kaluza kline gravitons, which, by the way, CERN

(51:20):
has been investigating why well, because they think they're very interesting.
So although the graviton particle has not been found yet,
it's very very difficult to see gravitons. We know photons,
photons of light. We know protons and electrons as particles, right,
and we know that the particles can also exhibit waves

(51:42):
like light can be a wave. Okay, it could be
red light, which is a wave like a sign wave,
or up and down like an ocean wave, and it
could also be a particle of lights. What's called duality.
It can be both. So because it can be both,
we know that that's how the fundamental particles act as well.
But gravity doesn't do that. Gravity's the weirdo. So that

(52:05):
means that gravity is not entirely part of our four dimensions,
our X, y, and z in time. So it means
that it's out there somewhere. It means that it's somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Okay, So let me ask a real quick question. Starla
is asking because people are saying, WHOA, this is over
their heads? Does the equal space time continuum? Does that
equal space time continuum? Is what Starla is asking.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Well, here, here's here's where that goes.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Okay, in our four dimensions, if you move from your
kitchen to your dining room, you're still in this universe.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
You haven't gone to any place, right.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
But if you could magically transfer yourself from the kitchen
into the dining room without walking to the dining room,
that's what this technology is. These aren't wormholes things that
they you know, that we talk about in a science
It's not a wormhole thing. It's actually an entirely different thing.

(53:02):
You go from the kitchen into another dimension, and then
you pop in and appear in the dining room.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
How do you open these dimensions? I mean, because for
those of you who don't, first of all, let's explain
uh And I know, guys, so we gotta we gotta
do the science. We you know, we have to explain it.
But first of all, in Layman's terms, how would you
describe a wormhole? And then in Layman's terms, how would
you describe opening uh an entering into an interdimensional portal?

(53:31):
If you will?

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Okay, well it's here, here's where this goes.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
If you have a if you have a wormhole, a
wormhole is a special gravity fed object that can link
you from one place in the universe to another, like
a tunnel.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Now, the problem with wormholes is that they are theoretical,
right now, number one, number two, and then all this
is erotical obviously, right. But the other thing that's the
problem is that they're unpredictable. We can't make them and
we don't know how to specify where it's going to go,
all right, So that's what's very different about this.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
And so that's the wormhole side.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Now, in terms of the interdimensional travel. Well, that's actually
easier to follow. And here's why, because how do you
get to that other dimension is the question, And I
understand it well, and I'm pretty sure that I can
make it clear. The interdimensional travel is accomplished by creating

(54:38):
particles that come from that other dimension and surrounding your
spacecraft with them.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
So when you do that, the.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Particles want to go home to that other dimension. And
guess what, if they're surrounding your ship, they're going to
take your ship with it. And now you're in this
what's called the fifth dimension, all right, And this fifth
dimension is a very very compress If you're in there,
the farther in you go, the smaller the universes around you.
So example, if you are standing here in your kitchen

(55:08):
and you travel twelve inches, you go twelve inches. But
if you were to get yourself into that fifth dimension
by generating these particles, and I can talk about how
that's done too, then those particles will drag you into
the fifth dimension. And now, if you're in there, let's
say just a little bit of the way, and you
travel twelve inches in there, when you come out, you

(55:29):
might find that you travel two miles away because that
twelve inches will be expanded, all right, because it's covering
more space in the compressed universe.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Are you expanding time and space in a sense, you are.
So if you're expanding time and space, doesn't that have
a ripple effect on other dimensions? If you will, or
even that particular dimension that you're in.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
It only affects you because you are not affecting any
thing in other space time other than yourself. So for instance,
you could actually go in there and accidentally turn off
the thing generating your particles around your ship, and you'll
you'll just be destroyed, right you can. It's dangerous, you know,

(56:18):
theoretically it's dangerous. So I think this is something that
is very important. Okay, So there would be no butterfly
effect for example, Uh, there would be no ripples.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
The only way, the only you have a butterfly effect
is if you were going back in time and making changes.
This isn't changing that. In this whole scenario, time only
moves forward. There's no back in time here, all right.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
So there you go. The answered that question. Someone that
started was asking a butterfly efflect. So let me ask
you what. Let's let's talk about your your personal eaty
experience in your home. Why don't you tell us that story.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
About Yeah, this one is this is one that.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
I just never expected to experience, and it's the thing,
one of the things that opened my mind.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
In fact, it's also the reason I one of the
major major reasons I moved out of the other house.
I just couldn't stay there anymore. I was such a violation.
So I was sleeping, and over the course of three nights,
I kept being awakened at three fifteen in the morning,
three nights and I heard this knocking. It was going
bang bank Bang bang bank Bank Bank, Bank Bank on

(57:27):
the peak of my roof. A single family home, a cape, okay,
with a dormed roof, so the ladder on the one
side of the roof was flat, and you know, the side
sloped down to the street. And I'm on the second
floor and I heard it. I looked at the clock
at three fifteen in the morning.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (57:45):
I went back to sleep. The morning, I went to work,
came home, and then the good whatever did that night
with the bed again, I'm awakened. I look at the clock.
It's three fifteen in the morning. I'm getting Bank Bank
Bang Bang Bank Bank Bang Bang Bang. Three knocks, a
series of three series of three knocks. Okay, I don't

(58:06):
understand what that was. So this time I got up
and at the time, I had rescued greyhound dogs from
the track, and you know, because I hate seeing what
they do to them. And I had two dogs and
they were named Tycho and Kepler Astronomer's dogs, okay, and
Tycho and Kepler were sleeping under the window where this
sound was coming from, and it was coming from the

(58:27):
peak of the roof over their heads and they're both
looking up with those their heads moving side to side,
like trying to decipher where the sound's coming from.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
And so I lean over them hold onto the window sill.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
It was in August night, and I pushed my face
against the screen and trying to look up what's up there?
I thought maybe it was a crazy woodpecker trying to
get something from vinyl siding because the house was vinyl sided. Well,
as I did that, I suddenly got this bright flash
of white light in my face and I just froze,

(58:58):
and I just and I was like, WHOA, what was that?
And I looking out the window, I see nothing and
then that there's a one street light in the distance
that was starting to bleed back into the view, and
the area around it was getting brighter and brighter, and
I can start to see again. I realized, Holy cow,
I've been flash blinded. As an astronomer, I'm well well

(59:19):
aware of what flash blindness is. So I thought I
was flash blinded. What is that? So I went over
to my wife, who was sleeping in the bed, and
I shoved her, and she goes, wait, you done? And
I said, just remember I did that with you, okay?
And I we call it a reality check, right, trying
to make sure that you're not having some ultra realistic dream,

(59:41):
which can happen. So I went back to bed. In
the morning, I wake up and I forgot all about it,
like it didn't happen. And I'm downstairs and I've gotten
dressed and taking my shower, about to go to work,
and she comes up and hits me in the head.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
What did you hit me for? WHOA?

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Then it all came flooding back, and I said, and
I explained what happened, and she said, you're a nuts
And I went to work. Well, that next night was
when the game changer happened. I woke up again, and
this time I'm like, oh, come on again. And I
went to look at the clock, and I couldn't move
my head, so I automatically tried to just look with

(01:00:18):
my eyes, and my eyes were frozen fixed forward. I
couldn't move my eyes either. I'm like, well, well, now
I'm getting hot and thinking terrified, like what the heck?
This is a medical event, what's going on? And then
in my peripheral vision, I see something pass in front
of the window that was outlined very dimly by that
distance streetlight. You know, you can see the frame of the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Window a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
And something passed in front of that window frame and
it started coming toward me, and I'm like, what's going on?
And this thing came toward me and I couldn't see
a face, but I saw this arm. It was below
my vision. I couldn't look down at it. I couldn't
look to my right up at this face. So I
saw a vaguely what was up there. And it brought

(01:01:03):
this like a magic wand and stuck it up my nose,
and then boom, it was morning and I was unable
to breathe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
So that was a nasal probe.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
I guess, yeah, I don't know what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
You know, it's interesting three fifteen three the number three
in numerology, it's creativity, communication, joy, or optimism, and fifteen
represents compassion for healing and nurturing. Many people think three
fifteen in numerology it's it's a sign to tap into intuition,
embrace a creative side, be open as spiritual growth or transformation.

(01:01:44):
It's interesting that three fifteen. So what do you think
that was? Do you think this was just a lucid
dream or do you think this was something other than that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Well, you know, for years I had practiced being a
lucid dreamer, and I always could be. I could control
my dreams. And I was trying to control this and
I was totally out of power. I could not do it.
I literally felt like I was being pushed around in control.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
And when I woke up that morning, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Pushed off the pillow and found out I couldn't breathe
because I was trying to inhale my own blood the
pillow concavity where I was lying on my face.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
I never sleep like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Who does? I was filled with blood and I was
trying to inhale it, and so I woke me up.
And maybe I'm maneuvered into that position. I don't know,
but anyway, it felt like I got punched in the head,
really hard punch in the face. So this was a
terrifying encounter. And I did whatever anybody does who has
something like this happened. I immediately got up quick, a shower,

(01:02:45):
and went to work and forgot about it like it
never happened. Now, from that moment on, I couldn't breathe
out of my left signus on my left nostril. I
couldn't breathe. And for two years I let that go.
And every time I said, I gotta go get this
taken care of it, I gotta have this look at
my mind would.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Say, nah, I don't bother.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
It's okay. Not being able to breathe out a half
of your know is that that's kind of a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
And did you ever go did you ever get a
checked out?

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I did?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Okay. In fact, this is on public record too, Harford
Hospital doctor Lahman. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
I went to him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
I filled out the you know, the the intake form,
you know what brings you here, et cetera. And I
always make a little joking cartoons and pictures for the
medical assistance that have to read it. And he walks
in and he says, oh, my medical assistants love you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
So what's wrong? So I said, yeah, I can't breathe
out of his sinus.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
And he looks up there with a probe and he
looks at and he says, holy cow. He says, you've
got something huge up there, and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
I went, oh, really. He goes yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
He said, if that's a poll up, he says, that's
the largest one I've ever seen. And I've been doing
this for like thirty five years or whatever reason. It
was almost I don't remember the years, but he said that.
So he says, I think we can get it out.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
So he and he got in there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
He pulled it out and it was literally this giant
thing the size of your thumbs stacked together that came
out through that little tiny hole on the left side.
I mean nostril. My first comment to him was, can
I have that? Can you take that with me? They went,
oh no, no, I got to send it down the

(01:04:21):
pathology and have them make sure it's okay. He says,
I'm pretty sure it's benign, but I'll have them check
it out. Okay, he's And I said, well, can you
have them check the middle of it to see if
there's something foreign in there? It means and he said, oh,
you mean like a splinter that a machinist might get.
I said, yes, exactly, sure, I can do that. Why
do you think there's something in there? And I said, yeah,

(01:04:44):
I do, And I told him the story I just
told all of you, and he laughed. He goes, ah,
I'm sure it's not aliens and I said, oh, no,
of course not. You know, and of course I was
not at all convinced, because this was an experience that
I did not think was human technology. And he said,
give me a call in a week. I'll let you
know what we find. Okay, that's fine. So I went home.

(01:05:06):
Called him in a week. Yeah, it's Mark d Antonio. Oh,
hold on, doctor has to talk to you. Oh oh
uh oh, I'm thinking this is Oh no, my head's
gonna fall off.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
What did what happened to me?

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
He gets on the phone. Oh, i'm o, mister D'Antonio.
I just wanted to let you know that it's it's
probably benign. Okay, so nothing to worry about and I'm like, oh,
so you haven't got the results back yet. And that's
when I heard this long pause and he said, well,
this has never happened in my office before, direct quote.

(01:05:39):
But I sent it down a pathology and they seem
to have lost it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Now now that didn't end the story.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
I mean, I said, okay, fine, all right, well they're great, good,
it's a benign excellent.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
I'm out of here, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Several two years after that, I went back to him
for another another thing that I was there for, a
vocal court thing I forget and I h This time,
I put on my intake sheet. Besides the cute little
pictures that the medical assistants like I would add, I
added my occupation. I said, I do special projects for
the Navy. Now that's kind of a code word for

(01:06:17):
people that work on those programs, and I've been doing
that for decades. So he comes in and he says,
he goes, yeah, my medical assistant, My medical assistants really
do love you. I love your pictures. He goes, but
I see here you said you do special projects. And
I told him yeah, and I explained to him, you know,

(01:06:40):
to the extent I could the kind of stuff that
I would do without being obviously specific. And he sat
down on the on the exam table with me. Have
you ever seen a doctor do that? And he was
living right to my right, and I'm like kind of
screeching to the left, like to the left, like, man,
this is awkward. And he's looking out the window and
he's thinking, you know, he says, I just gave up

(01:07:01):
my top secret clearance this year. And I'm like, what,
what are you operating on? Top secret nasal polyps?

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
What is this?

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
And he goes, oh, no, he goes, and then he
got serious. He goes, I haven't always been a surgeon,
you know. And he described a incident that he was
not in charge of, but a major player in the
sixties called Project Starfish I think it was in the sixties,
and the idea was they were going to exploding nuclear

(01:07:30):
bomb up in the ionosphere to see quote unquote ostensibly
what a nuclear bomb does to the ionosphere. That was
what the public curd But he said, that's not what
actually happened. What they actually did was used the emp
polsted to take down an enemy satellite. Okay, And I
he said, wow, what doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
That violate all kinds of treaties.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
And he said, well, sure, he said, but that's why
we cleared the Pacific and for sixteen hundred miles all
the way around the toll where we shot this from. Like,
holy cow, that's incredible. So I was blown away by that.
But now I knew what happened. Because whenever you're in
that world, one of the things that's really important is
that you, as someone who has any kind of clearance

(01:08:15):
in the the in the government, if you see something
that may violate national security, you've got to call it in.
You are bound by law to do that. So I
can see how the conversation went. Yeah, yeah, this is
doctors from Harvard Hospital. And I got a patient here
who says that he had some kind of encounter where

(01:08:36):
something shoved something up in sidus and there was a
finding and it's not in our pathology area and that
was the end of it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Well, and there's and you know, honestly, I I've talked
to many people who've had that type of experience that
you're describing, and with the nasal probes, and it's not
here's what's scary about this. It's not uncommon with people
who have been abducted through alien abductions. This is not uncommon.

(01:09:07):
Matter of fact, Willie Winn Walker Gibson and his wife
Shaman talk about their experience. I want to talk about also,
this ghost dog in your workshop and your work. Please
tell us that what's that about.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Well, the weird thing is I had had excuse me,
I had a coffee attack here just now from just
getting over a sickness, and I was working on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
A project for Doug Trumple. We were working at a
movie about Nicola Tesla. I just finished as Proper. I'm
really proud of it, and it's some city they're working
on it now. I had had these images of people
that weren't there. I could see people walking around that
weren't there, things that people would call ghosts. I see

(01:09:53):
them all the time, all right, and they were getting annoying. Actually,
I went to neurologist. I had special monitors on my
brain because maybe they all thought as I did, that
my brain was replaying scenes that it had seen in
the past and the trauma to that part of the

(01:10:13):
brain that they operated on. Maybe this was a latent
image problem with the brain.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Well, anyway, as I saw this dog, thing walk in
and everything I saw was sort of semi transparent and
REALOG just had this great way of Oh, well, that's
happening in this part of the brain. The image is
not complete. And I understood the medicine, and I understood that,
you know, the physics and how the brain works, and
I got that. And then he said, so I'm sure

(01:10:41):
that this is not a real object, but just something
your brain is manufacturing. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
I ran with that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
I ran with that, thinking, well, that's it's a medical diagnosis.
It's something I'm gonna have to deal with. And they said, oh,
we can give you all kinds of drugs, we can
do this. No, no, you know what, forget it. I'm
getting used to it. I'm not gonna take drugs. So anyway,
as I'm sitting there working on this prop for the movie,
in comes this thing. It's like a little yap yap dog.
It's getting going pep pink, pink pink across the floor

(01:11:14):
and it looks like it's spinning around. It couldn't really
see the front of the back of it. I didn't
know what was the front of the back. And then
it lays down, I guess, and then it goes through
this rhythmic motion like it's licking its fur or something.
So I'm watching this and I'm staring directly at it.
This isn't like one of those things where you're very,
very tired and things kind of come in your vision

(01:11:34):
and go, what's that? What's that? It wasn't one of those.
This was three point thirty in the afternoon. I was
trying to get this prop ready to take up to
the studio so we could film it. And this thing's
in there and I'm wide awake as a weak as
I am now, and I'm looking at it. I walk
over to it, and I'm like, I can see the
other side of this thing. That means that my brain

(01:11:57):
has to be building the side it didn't see if
this was just a projection and a playback of something
I had already seen. So that was odd. So what
I did next changed everything, and it actually took me
down another path which took me to other physicists and cosmologousness.

(01:12:18):
And that was I stepped on it with my left
foot and I felt the weirdest feeling. It felt like
somebody took a bungee cord, which is the lasting chord
put it around the bottom of my heel against the
floor and ran away from through the point of my foot.
It ran away, and I felt this tension increase because

(01:12:40):
at the same time as that was happening, this this creature,
this dog thing, got up and ran out of my shop,
and it took my leg with it, and I leaned
in to try and not to have my leg go,
but it was already at tax I couldn't get it off.
I couldn't lift it. It was like it was stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
And then.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
My left leg finally gave it up and just went whoop,
and it flew out from under me, and in an
instant I saw my left foot up by the fluorescent lights,
my right foot coming up at the same time, and
now it was falling backwards. My right shoulder hit my
work bench, turned me to the side on my left
or I hit my left shoulder on the concrete and

(01:13:19):
then whacked my head on the concrete, and I was
like wow, So I was hurting both shoulders, my left
knee was hyper extended, and I bloodied my head and
I got up going, oh my god, what was that?

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Oh that was so cool? Wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
It was all pain. So I did this, and I
immediately realized I got to go to the er because
this was just crazy stuff I never expected as a
science guy. So I went there and I didn't tell
him the story. I just told him, yeah, I injured
my shoulder. They accrayed and they looked at it and

(01:13:57):
they said, oh man, he goes, yeah, that's some damage there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Let's hope you didn't damage your rotator cuff.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
So it was about a week or so later I
went back again and he said, yeah, you don't have
any mobility there much any No, I can raise it
about halfway up and he said, you have a frozen shoulder.
So that embarked me on six weeks of rehab to
get the frozen shoulder back.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
But that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
And I mean, at first you thought, you know, well,
maybe they're right, it's just projections.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
But wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
To projections grab onto you and run out of the
room and take your foot with it. Right, That's what
happened to me in there. I don't know what that was.
And I don't have any skin in the game boy this,
I don't care. You know, you know, there's no reason
for me to say things like this if they're not real.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
To me, well, it sounds like you certainly had a
very odd paranormal experience with that, no question about that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Yeah, I mean, and I called, you know, sometimes because
of the experiences I've had, I've said, well, look, today's
paranormal could be tomorrow's science. That's right, And so I
firmly believe that's true because we've had that happen. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Well, I want to thank you so very much for
stopping by and chatting with us. I mean, these stories
are absolutely they're they're they're just captivating, They're they're really
a anytime you experience a different perspective, especially from a
scientists perspective, it is interesting, especially when you talk about
the unknown. But uh, anyway, folks, make sure you please
visit marsh Mark's website sky tour live dot org. All right,

(01:15:37):
it's s k y tour t o you are live
skytourlive dot org. Make sure you visit his website. Is
there any other Are there any other sites that you
that you would like for people to know about it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
I miss what you said there were.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Are there any other sites that you want us to
let people know about?

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Oh? Sure, yeah, my my TikTok is skye Tour Live.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
And that's that TikTok and uh, I need I need
people to follow on skuy on TikTok too anyway. But
uh then skyterlive dot org. We are you know, I
am a nonprofit with the observatories and we do specifically
there's good science, you know, we show people. And by
the way, whenever we take photos of galaxies, I just
posted on my Facebook page which you can go to

(01:16:27):
at Mark D'Antonio. We also have a skyter a live
Facebook group. You'll see two galaxies I took the other night.
Uh and it was just a few seconds each because
we have these gorgeous telescopes and so yeah, skyterlive dot org,
skyter Alive, TikTok hang out with us.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
Very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Really have your perspective changed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
I appreciate that. Thank you so much. I appreciate you,
and I'll be I'll send you a little message up
a little bit later on thanking you properly. So thank
you for stopping mind and chatting with us.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Bishop Long, It's been fun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
You have a great night, right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Everybody, that was our friend, our new friend that we
have here. It's Mark the Antonio and uh, I tell
you what, some of those stories are pretty I mean crazy.
If you think about you know, when you when you
have a scientist, that's science. I mean, you know, obviously
logic and some of these experiences, I mean it's a

(01:17:29):
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talk about this interesting, really interesting article. I saw this
and I thought, well, that's that's pretty fascinating. This is
my TK Randall. A father and son is reportingly they

(01:21:46):
said that they've encountered a bigfoot in Monroe County, Michigan.
Thank you. It says you're The creature, which was cited
on May the eighteenth, was described as the size of
a bear with gorilla like features. According to a report
submitted to the big Foot Field Research Organizations or BFRO,
the encounter began at one point thirty I'm sorry, eleven

(01:22:08):
thirty am, when their dog became scared by something unseen.
Nearby trees were shaking. The father wrote, we thought it
was a group of deer. Things had seemed normal again
for a while until sudden noise attracted their attention. Says
I heard a rustling in a tree to the left
and a huge thud hitting the ground from the tree.

(01:22:31):
He wrote, A big, heavy animal hit the ground and
crouched and start moving towards me through the bush. My
dog fired off from the right of me toward the creature,
says The dog almost got to it, but the creature
shot off extremely fast through the trees and brushed, and
the dog chased the creature up the slope and over

(01:22:53):
the track. Trains, says. I then called for my dog
to come back. Says my son said, what was that?
It was as big as a bear, but it looked
like a gorilla. And we walked back and we heard
something crunching on the ground behind us. We left anyway,
when it, says. When a b f r O investigator
later followed up on the story with two witnesses, they

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explained that the creature had stood upright with a hunched posture,
but was around six feet tall and covered in hair.
It had been standing up straight, would have likely been
a lot taller. Exactly what it was, however, remains unclear.
See this is an interesting situation. We don't know what

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these things are. But here's the deal with this. There's
way too many people. There's way too many people that's
reporting seeing these bipedal creatures that are very tall. Matter
of fact, I talked and this is why I believe
that Bigfoot exists, because I had on my show several

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years ago quite a you actually I had, and I've
talked about this before. He was, you know, he worked
as a game warden in Alaska, and he was absolutely
convinced he saw Bigfoot. And I remember asking him, well,
I mean, it could have been a bit a bear,
and I'll never forget his What he said is, look,

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I'm a Native Alaska. We live in the woods, we hunt,
we know every I'm a game warden. If I don't
know the difference between a bear, a moose and a
seven eight foot bipedal creature, that I shouldn't be a
game warden in Alaska. He was right. He's not selling

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a book, he's not trying to be on television. He's
not There's no ulterior motive. I believe based on what
he said, he is absolutely convinced that he saw something.
And I think he's right. Well, he clearly saw something,
uh and it it really I think what it bothered

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him because he couldn't explain what he saw and the
fact that he was a native of Alaskan Our demons.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
I see, there's a lot of people think that Bigfoot
and other creatures of this nature are maybe interdimensional beings.
And our guest Mark was talking about interdimensional you know,
possibility of these UFOs and things of this nature. Something is,
something is happening now. I absolutely one thing I definitely

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want is I'm going to find a bigfoot expert. And
I'm not talking about somebody that just you know, watches
YouTube videos with all due respect, anybody can do that.
I'm talking about somebody who's actually on the ground, who experiences,
who is an investigator, and I would really like to
chat with him and have them on the show about Okay,

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you know, let's talk because there's something. There's too many people.
There's too many people experiencing these creatures and what they
are I don't know, but something, there's something because there's
too many people experiencing, uh, while these these things. Now,
let's talk about this. This is a very interesting actually, Janelle,

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there is a case I forgot what the information was,
but there is a case once where someone claimed to
have basically been taken by a big Foot, and maybe
some of those of you who are experts in Bigfoot
that he was actually taken to like a family, a
Bigfoot family or a group and told of his story.

(01:26:49):
I can't I know I read that somewhere, but I
can't remember who that is. So we'll find that. Now. Look,
let's talk about annabel Everybody keeps asking me about annabel
as if I know. I don't know. I'm not. You know,
I'm not an expert on Annabelle. And I was friends
with Lorraine Warren. I was not friends friends with Ed
and so therefore, I you know, I can only tell

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you what she truly thought about. Oh wow, one second,
one second, that's pretty cool. I'll tell you what I'm

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doing just a second.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Well, well, well I just sent this individual. Let's see
what they say. Mm hm. All right, so we're gonna

(01:28:04):
we're actually getting your response right now. That's pretty cool. Okay,
I'm gonna give you, guys, I'll give you. I'll clue
you in on what we're doing because I'm actually doing

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this right now as we have a conversation. So the
uh okay, h m hmm, Okay, we have a special

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little announcement here. So I know this is completely unprofessional,
but that's okay. I have just confirmed that my friend,

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father Bill Bailey, I was just speaking to him as
a matter of degree, Father Bob, Bill, I was a
look down, says a Bill. Father Bob Bailey. He is
a friend of mine. He is a Roman Catholic priest.
He has been, in fact, he has been traveling with Annabelle.

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He had he had been on you know, all the
shows with Ryan Buell. So he is traveling with annabel
and he is the priest that's blessing annabel And he
has just verified that he will be on the show
with us June the sixth at seven pm Eastern Standard time,

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so we can talk about Annabelle the tour, what he's doing,
what he's experienced, and so it's pretty pretty amazing that
we're just having a conversation that he was right there
answering it. So so there you go June the sixth,
June the sixth, we will have Father Bob and who

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is traveling with annabel and so he is he knew
Lorraine very very well, worked with Lorraine often. And so anyway,
I just want to let you know, Yep, it's a
done deal. So June the sixth, that's seven pm Eastern

(01:30:46):
Standard time. There we go. Okay, so that's pretty cool.
What do you think about that? Yeah, Father Bobby is
a great guy. He's a great guy, big heart. Just
you know, he knows the stuff and there's no question
about that. Okay, June sixth, that's locked in. So anyway,

(01:31:10):
for those of you who don't know, Alfonso Liira just
wrote this, A haunted doll, Annabelle draws paranorm enthusias in
San Antonio. This is written in May seventeenth. Paranorm enthusias
in San Antonio have the chance to see the allegedly
haunted doll annabel this weekend. The doll, which has inspired
several TV shows and its own movie series, is believed

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to be possessed by a demon. Annabel is currently on
national nationwide tour allowing fans of the paranormal to view
her in person. Today, she was on display at the
Victoria's Black Swan Inn on the Northeast Side as part
of the Psychic and Spirit Fest. The Black Swan, in itself,
a subject of paranormal interest, has reputed to be haunted

(01:31:52):
by the spirit of a Confederate Soldier has been featured
in several paranormal TV shows. Anyway, Annabelle, along with two
other haunted items, will be on display again tomorrow, which
of course is already on display anyways, She's going around
Annabelle the Doll. This is another for those of you
who are in Gettysburg. So this was updated May the

(01:32:15):
twenty first. So for those of you who don't know,
Annabelle is going to be arriving in Gettysburg July the eleventh.
So this is July the eleventh, and this is by
a news let's see a news article, which of course

(01:32:37):
I don't have. I don't have who wrote this, unfortunately,
says the Annabelle in Gettysburg Devil on the Run tour
is schedule for Friday, July the eleventh at the Historic
Soldiers or Finished Homestead, located at seven to seven eight
Baltimore Street in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. The tourist part of the
paranormal Experience series featuring the infamous haunted doll annabel Visitors

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will have the opportunity to explore the homestead during guided
sessions highlighting tales of the supernatural, unexplained events and the
history behind one of Gettysburg's most well known haunted locations.
Tours will be offered at multiple times throughout the day,
with general admission tickets available for the following time slots.
Of course, it goes on. Each ticket is priced at
forty dollars. The event has received strong early feedback, with

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an overall rating of four point sixty five out of five.
Pretty cool. So the experience is designed for those interest
in paranormal activity, local history, and unique immersive events. The
Soldier's Orphanage Homestead is a well known sight in Gettysburg
for ghost tours and historical events. So anyway, tendys are
encouraged to arrive on time for the scheduled tour and

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to purchase tickets in advance, as space for each time
slot is limited. So there you go. Friends, if you're
going to be in Gettysburg July the eleventh, they will
have Annabelle at the Historic Soldiers Orphanage Homestead. And therefore

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you can write that down and there you go. I've
performed thirty three on Nana. Yeah, so, and the only
the chat is not blocked we put sub chat on
because we don't deal with trolls here at all. And
so that's why we put sub chat because people can't

(01:34:26):
behave and so when they can't behave on TikTok, I
put sub chat on because we don't tolerate nonsense. Okay,
that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool, So don't forget. June
the sixth, at seven pm, we're going to have my
friend father Bob Bailey, who is accompanying Annabelle. All right,

(01:34:54):
this is an interesting conversation that I think would like
to have with all. This is very interesting when I
saw this, and I want to share this with you
and see what you thought. It's yeah, yeah, See a
lot of people are collecting. I tell people all the time,
stay away from collecting these items, to stay away from them. Uh,

(01:35:14):
you collect these items, it's very dangerous because you don't
know what you're collecting. And this is why I made
a video. I made a video about this the other day. Look,
father Bob knows what he's doing. That's fine, it's very
nice of you, says Jennifer. So father Bailey knows what
he's doing. He's not a novice. So people are so,

(01:35:35):
you know, freaked out about the Annabelle and things of
this nature. Look, here's what I know about Bob. He's
not going to do anything. If he is present, he's
not going to do anything to put anybody at harm.
He just wouldn't. So he's he's highly trained in this indemonology.

(01:35:57):
He is a priest and he's not going to allow
anybody to get hurt. So anyway, I think we have
to be careful about going to the extreme sensationalism. Look,
here's the deal. I have a storage facility full of

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items that I have collected through the years. People buying
these things and then sending them back to me or
sending them to me and saying we don't want them,
we don't want them, we don't like them. Activity has
occurred in our home and it's terrifying us. So I
do have quite a few of these cases, and people say, well,

(01:36:40):
why do you collect them? I don't collect them like
a collector. I remove them from people's homes and then
I bless their homes all free, never charging, and then
I take them to paranormal conferences and I teach about
these things because a lot of people are visual learners,
so when they see it and then they're like okay,

(01:37:00):
now I understand. I get it. The hope is to
convince people stop collecting these things. Just stop collecting them,
Nika Jonathan. It's dangerous. And here's what a lot of
people are doing. They're going online and they're collecting these
alleged haunted dolls. Number one, you have no idea what

(01:37:24):
this person who owned that doll did prior to you
taking ownership of it. I mean, there's people that could
have done rituals. There's so many things that and people
are just buying these things and you have no idea
what that person did while they had this idolm in
their possession. This is what I'm telling people. Just stay

(01:37:47):
away from stay away from buying these things. And people
are buying them. I mean they're just buying them left
and right. So I just you know, be careful about this. Burning. Okay,
burning these things is not going to fix the problem.
Here's the issue. First of all, I knew Lorraine. I

(01:38:11):
didn't know ed Lorraine did not like Annabelle at all,
and she made it very very cleol a matter of fact,
I even had her on the show once she made
it very clear she didn't like and did not like Annabelle.
She felt very uncomfortable with Annabelle, so she was not
a fan of Annabel. Needless to say, she was absolutely
convinced something evil was attached to that doll. One hunder

(01:38:34):
and you weren't going to convince her otherwise. So demonic
entities will attach itself. First of all, they don't possess
humans are possessed. Demonic beings will attach themselves to an
object to entice, to cause you to to fall into
this entrap, this trap, to to take it home. Just

(01:38:58):
like the woman that was on the that I was
on the show the Eli Roth Presents leisureon of Exorcis
show that I'm on. This woman in the very first
episode she became obsessed with that doll, which I have.
I mean, it was an obsession and she was. She
even told me, she said, I would put a second

(01:39:18):
mortgage on my home just to buy that doll. And
it wasn't that expensive, so she said it didn't matter
what it costs, what the cost was, I was going
to buy it. She had done things when she was
younger that she shouldn't have done. And she brought this
doll home and like I said, they've had like a McMansion.
It was a three story home. It was in Tennessee,

(01:39:40):
beautiful home and with little as soon as they brought
this doll home, they had violent activity in their home.
And they try to figure out what it was, what
change had occurred something, And the only thing that changed
was it bringing that doll home. Well, it's interesting about
that particular doll, which I don't have it here with me,

(01:40:00):
is the when I was called by the by the
chief the firefighter, the chief of the firefighter chief, and
they said, look, we want you to come here. And
you know, they saw me online or something, and I'm like,
I don't know anything about fires. What am I supposed
to do? I'm not the I mean. But anyway, I
drive up this long driveway and I see just ash

(01:40:21):
of this great big lot where this big, beautiful home was,
and the only thing that was there was all ash
where this house burnt down to a crisp. There was
nothing there. The only thing was this ornate bookshelf and
this doll sitting right on top of it. And when
I pull up, I thought, well, that's kind of weird.
Why do they have this? I don't understand. So they,

(01:40:45):
you know, they showed me where the house was and
and and then turn right in your formal living room
and I looked over and I saw this doll. It's
a porcelain clown doll. What I don't know what they
don't understand, or the chief of the firefighter chief, he
didn't understand how this doll could not have caught fire
or at least melted, because this whole entire home burnt

(01:41:07):
to a crisp. There was nothing there, so that was
intense heat. Now there are burnt marks on the actual
the clothing of the doll, but as far as there's
no burnt marks on the body, there's no burnt marks
anywhere except for the clothing. And you can actually still
smell the burning. You can smell at fire, I tell

(01:41:34):
you what. And that's the doll, by the way, that
caused my laptop to catch fire. And I'll never forget.
It was at Louisville Mid South Paranormal conference and I
got distracted. People could tell me take it out of
his case, and normally I never would, but they kept
begging me, so I took it out of the case.
As soon as I did, the entire room changed. I mean,

(01:41:56):
it felt like a sad at the whole room. It
just changed. It was heavy, and people say, no, put
it back As soon as I was going to put
it back in its case, someone asked me a question.
I got distracted. I put it next to my laptop.
I turned around and a firefighter, he was a volunteer firefighter,
screamed at me, Bishop Long, your laptop is on fire.
The laptop was actually on fire. Now, this was seen

(01:42:19):
by an entire room full of people at the Louisville
Mid South Paranormal Conference. And that was insane. That was
That was an eye opener for me, Thank you, because
I always heard about, you know, people talking about these things,
and you know, I've collected them through the years. But

(01:42:41):
when I saw when that, that was like, okay, you
know it. It was no longer theory because now the
laptop is actually on fire. So the doll, I still
have the doll. I own it. As a matter of fact,
it's it's on uh. The the eli Roth, it's there.

(01:43:03):
Eli Roth presents a legion of Exorcis Show. And so
I am going to eventually bring in some items again
and talk about these haunted items. We might do that
next maybe next week. We'll see. I always I always bless,
I always have a chrism. I always bless before I
collect about hold these these things, because these things are

(01:43:26):
pretty dangerous stuff. These are the These are items that
I have collected through the years, whether they be Jeffrey
Dahmer's glasses that I actually own, uh at, real paintings
from John Wayne Gacy that people have collected and then
activity has occurred in their home. This doll, uh even
a Teddy ruskban that by the way, I was on

(01:43:48):
TikTok out Live and this Teddy ruskman. This the father
brought in this Teddy ruskmin doll. You know, he bought
it used because he was very expensive at the time.
They couldn't find one, and if one, I forgot where
he found it, and he brought it to and he
put it in the crib. But he didn't think about
it's for its little child. I think she was two

(01:44:08):
or three, I can't remember. And it woke him up
in the middle of the night. He heard this doll
going off and he thought, oh, come on, she's playing
with the doll. That's what he was thinking. So he
goes into the child's room and he remembers he never
put batteries into this Teddy ruspin. So he picked it
up and he looked there are no batteries. Now, I

(01:44:31):
was actually live on TikTok and I held up this
doll and it began to talk do its thing, and
I turned it around and there are no batteries. So
he didn't want this in this home. He said, no, no,
well I take it. I'm done with this. I don't
want it. So I have a whole entire storage facility

(01:44:53):
full of very violent items that you know. Matter of fact,
I even went to a West Virginia paranormal Mountainsville paranormal
conference and they asked me to take all a bunch
of items and I did, and I had a massive
like space they you know, because there was like six tables,

(01:45:17):
and there was an individual. He was from a paranormal
I forgot the name, a paranormal team. And he asked
me if I would be if if he could do
a thermo imagery on the doll. I said, well, sure,
no problem. He did it. There is a I have
never seen and he's never seen the different thinking, will
there the the the difference between the heat. So he

(01:45:41):
showed the heat signature on the wood and then he
put the the digital imaging on the doll. It was massive,
the heat signature was huge. I have this on video.
I have to find this. And he also did some
everthings and then actually one woman almost passed out. She
walked have this idolm and she just you know, but

(01:46:04):
it's dangerous stuff. So we have to be careful. And
I tell people all the time stay away from these things. Well,
I always bless them. Anytime I take them out from
the storage facility into the car, I always bless them again.
And when I bring them here, I always do the

(01:46:26):
always do the Epiphany of the doors. I bless them
all the time. So I'm very careful with these things,
and you have to be because of and these are
what people have. They have like again, they're not selling anything.
They're not they're not on television. They're terrified of the

(01:46:48):
activity that's occurring in their home and they're begging me
to please take this. I don't want it in my home.
We can't explain what's going on. Please take it. So yep,
you can. It's called the Epiphany of the doors, James,
the doors, chalking of the doors, yeah, Paul, Yeah, And
some of these, obviously, there is a lot. I have
Wizure boards, the Holy Spirit board, several dolls, I have

(01:47:13):
some pretty heavy stuff. I'm not shown all of them.
There's still a lot more that I have that I've
never shown. There's a couple of things that I really
don't want to show because I don't want to bring
it here. The doll is bad enough, but there's a
couple of items that are really, really violent, and matter

(01:47:33):
of fact, I absolutely convinced that's what started one case
of possession. I don't I don't really want to bring
it here only because I don't want to, you know,
obviously deal with that because it is pretty rough. Yeah,
I can. I'll talk about them one day. So why

(01:47:54):
do I keep them? Paul? I have a Master of Education,
and one thing I do is I teach. I teach
about these and I tell people stay away from them.
So there are people are different learners. They're visual learners.
When I have these items and I bring them to
like a paranormal conference, people can see them. Then they

(01:48:14):
get it. That's the point, because they don't want to
be around it because they omit such negative energy. And
my goal is to because I can sit here all
day long say please stop collecting and please stop collecting,
and people are like yeah right, yeah, right, yeah, right,
I've done this for twenty five years. I've been through
this before. Please stop collecting. Yeah yeah, yeah. Well then

(01:48:35):
when I bring them to a paranorma conference and people
are around them, and then people come up to me
say now I get it. Now I understand. I don't
want to ever collect these items again. So this is why,
because it's I teach, and that's important for those of
you listening to this on a podcast. I want to
say a good night to you, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
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