Sacred Division Paranormal

Near Death Experiences

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
From the mysteries of the paranormal to world headline news.
We cover it all. Welcome to this Sacred division and
now your host, Bishop James Long. All right, now we're
live on our Well podcast. We're podcasted and saying hello

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to everybody. Appreciate you guys being here. Hello TikTok and
now we're live. Everybody else, Hello, welcome, Welcome to the presentation.
Thank you so much for being here. Happy Friday to
you wherever you are in this world. Imagine we had
to deal with trolls. Imagine that on TikTok, so subchat
on will be re on for the rest of the night.

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I'm so sorry. Anyway, for everybody else, welcome, appreciate you
being here. Happy Friday to you. I tell you what
well think, kat It is miserable hot. I don't know
where you are, guys, but I may I bore. I
have never experienced this. This heat is dangerous. It is
a dangerous type of heat. And so hopefully wherever you

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are in this world, you're staying comfortable and cool because
it's and for I'm in Kentucky and we're actually they're
talking about the temperature supposed to be even worse tomorrow,
it's going to be one hundred and ten degree for
the uh, that's what's going to feel like. It's it
is dangerous. I'm telling you what. Thank God for air conditioning,

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because if I did not have air conditioning, I would say,
I'm sorry, guys, ain't no way I'm doing this show.
I'd be melting. But anyway, we're live, and we appreciate
you guys being here. And of course TikTok made there's
a lot of rules and regulations now on TikTok and
so we're trying we'll think of the Chad. We're trying
to try to figure out what it is you can
what is you can't do. I mean, there's it's it's

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kind of confusing. Really is confusing when you go live.
So we really don't know because you know, once they
tell you one thing and then they So anyway, we'll
we'll discuss that in just a second. All right, everybody,
here's what I want you to do. I want you
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Christmas is right around the corner. And there that's I

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tell you what. There's it's. It is here, whether we
like it or not, whether we want it to be
here or not. And uh, that's the way it is.
Oh good. So it looks like the trolls have left TikTok,
So I might open the chat up into everybody because
now that the trolls have left, because we've lost over
one hundred people in just a matter of five minutes
because they can't chat and they can't insult me, and

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so a hundred people have left automatically already on TikTok.
Think about that for second, in five minutes. Let that
sink in for just a moment. Just let that sink in. Now,
if you want to go to my website because you're borton,
have nothing else better to do, you can go to
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Long LNG dot com. All right, okod don And then

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if you want to go to the church's website, which
is far more important, it's USOCC dot org USOCC dot org.
Thank you, chet, and there we go. That's all there
for you. By the way, we have night prayer coming
up tonight. Night prayer is at ten pm Eastern Standard time,

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and we certainly do hope that you can join us.
I want to remind everybody if you want to participate
in night prayer with us and if you would like
for us to pray for your prayer petition, this is
how you have to do this. And this is for everybody.
We have night Prayer Monday through Friday at ten pm
Eastern Standard So here's what you do. Okay. Uh, if
you're on TikTok, I made a TikTok video and I've

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already placed it on my on my TikTok profile and
uh it basically you know it says you know, place
your prayer prayer request for Friday's night prayer. Make sure
you do that well, thank you very much, Thank you Monica.
Make sure you do that right now because you have
until eight pm Eastern Standard time. So basically an hour
to put your prayer petitions in there. Thanks guys, all right,
so make sure you do that and include your first

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name too. That way, because if it's you know, again,
if you're if you're your username on TikTok is hot
mama one two three, We're not gonna say hot mama
one two three. He wants to pray for this, no events,
We're just probably not the best thing to say, you know,
when your night prayer. But nonetheless, that's there. Make sure
you put your prayer petitions in now for tonight's night prayer.

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I'm gonna see her tomorrow. I'm gonna bring her a
lot of her items that she has had, you know,
that she's collected through the years, and go with her
the nursing home tomorrow and see her and just literally
her Donnie Osmond stuff that she's wanted just little little
things just to kind of, you know, kind of make
her happy and smile. So for those of you know

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miss Wilmans, I've known her for almost thirty years, and
so she is. She used to do our kids Bible
study and on Saturday night show the thank you they're
Chrissy and so oh thanks for giving that prescription. That's nice.
So anyway, there we go, guys, All right now, TikTok
has made before we get into the presentation, TikTok has

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made a lot of new rules today, and I need
help understanding them because I understand thank you there, Corey.
I understand the new rule that you cannot play music
that is copyrighted. However, at the same time they've also said,
but you can as long as it's from the TikTok library.

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So they're saying two different things. So if you guys know,
on TikTok, so when you're live, you're not allowed to
play copyright it music anymore. However, I have heard from
other reliable creators that are check Mark and you know
they've they've been on TikTok for a while. They say

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you can play music as long as it's in their
library during live, So if you guys know the answer
to that, let me know. But it seems like there
is some confusion. A lot of people are confused. For
those of you in TikTok, clue us in because I

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don't know. So and now, by the way, and I
am going to be playing music tonight, I paid for it,
so TikTok I have paid for the right to use
this music. I contacted the owner and said, I want
to pay you so that I can play this music,
and he said, okay, here's this is how much it cost.

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I don't know. I just I don't know, all right, Okay,
So someone's asking why is there we'll thank you. Why
is there a red X next to my name on TikTok.
I'll tell you why. Well, friends, there is a new
thing going around now on TikTok for Generation X. So

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if you're a Generation xer, then a lot of people
on TikTok are putting right next to the name. And
so I guess I need to make a video so
that people can say, it's not a bad you know,
it's it's a good thing. It's a good thing. It's
not a bad thing. It's a good thing. But anyway,
it's just you know, letting everybody know that you're a

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Generation xer. Yeah. Yeah, it's really going around. It's a
new thing. You'll see if you type in generation x
X or some whatever, you'll see a lot of people
who have this red X near the name. So so
there you go. Yeah, that's excellent. Yeah, so a lot
of people are putting the a red X right next

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to their name if you're a Generation xer and we're
just it's just a new thing that's going around. So no,
TikTok does not do that. You have to actually go
in well I think, actually, James, you have to actually
go into your profile and just change your name. So
I thought, well, okay, why not. Whatever. So anyway, well,

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thank you, don I appreciate that. Very nice. Thank you,
really cool gifts there on TikTok. Thank you. I don't
know what. I have no idea what boomers do, I
don't know. Yes, so X means we're old, we're old
for the Generation xers. I'm sorry to tell you. That's it,
and we're ready for the nursing home. That's it. Thank you,

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Thank you, Janelle. That's very nice, beautiful, thank you. Okay,
So TikTok I'm gonna say it again. I have rights
to play this music. I paid for it. That's stupid
that you have to go through all these hoops. But okay,

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tonight we're going to talk about a topic that's going
to affect every single every single one of us, no
matter what generation you're in, no matter if you're a
baby boomer, no matter if you are a Generation X
or Generation Z or Generation ABC DFG, every single one
of us will be affected with death. There's no other

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way to there's no other way to sugarcoat this. And
with you know, the passing up Ozzy Osbourne and of
course the Hulk Hogan. You know, there's a lot of
people are just kind of taking it pretty hard, you know,
taking it pretty hard. You know, these are people that
a lot of people grew up with and now you know,

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you see it's right. So tonight we're going to talk
about I think a topic that it is a really
important one. But also it should give you hope. It's
not this should not scare you, that should not frighten you.
Uh yeah, yeah, Hogan passing kind of hit a lart

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and chuck me out, MANGIONI passed away too. Yeah, it's crazy,
isn't it. It's it's a lot of people, but you know, life,
life continues, life doesn't stop, and it seems like I
don't know about you guys, but for me, it's it's
going by faster, it's going by a lot faster, and

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you know, you just kind of want to. For me,
it makes me very reflect on life itself. So oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Crossing Garden. All right, So let's get into this. Let's
get into our presentation because I want to talk about
near death experiences and maybe we can chat and hopefully

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it kind of give you some of the take the
fear away from this. So let's explain. First of all,
near death experiences are people who come close to death
and later revive, sometimes report memories of unusual experiences that
they had while apparently unconscious. Now people have clinically died

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and have come back to life. I interviewed several times
doctor Jeff free Long, and he's no relation. He is
a medical doctor and what is I have really a
lot of soundbites from him that I'm going to play
tonight from those interviews that are absolutely phenomenal. They are

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truly phenomenal, And so he's in twenty fifteen. I had
a chance to interview about ten years ago. And since then,
you know, he put a book out and the book
is just skyrocketed, and so it's much more difficult to
get him as a speaker as a guest speaker. But
Raymond Moody, he was a medical doctor, a PhD. As well.

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He's the father of n DEE Near Death Experiences and
the author of books that have sold over twenty million copies.
And he described how historical records dating to ancient Greece
contained descriptions that explain what INDE and it really is

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very it aligns with what the modern concept of INDE is.
It is fascinating. So the Moody has a book. Who
he had a book. It's called Life After Life. It
was published in nineteen seventy five. It presented an initial
collection of over one hundred and fifty contemporary in dase.

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So I'll be saying ind a lot. INDE stands for
near death experiences and thank you for the gifts everybody, Okay.
So the d typically includes many of the following the
mind leaving the body, traveling upward, sometimes passing from dark
to brilliant light, often within a tunnel, and the light,

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which is often interpreted to be God, is unbelievable. It
transmits joy, peace, love, and comfort, and they meet with
deceased loved ones sometimes and friends and relatives that welcome them.
Many people talk about they have a life review in
which they understand the meaning of their life and how

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they have lived it and how it affected others, and
most of the time they never wished to leave this
unity with the light source of love. They return to
our mortal life, many times say reluctantly to help those
needing them on earth, or sometimes involuntarily because they are
told your time has not yet come. So the ND

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typically includes many of the following the mind leaving the
body again passing from dark to a brilliant light. A
lot of people talk about this bright light. Bruce Grayson,
who is a medical doctor, professor at the University of
Virginia School of Medicine and co founder of the International

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Association of Near Death Studies, in twenty thirteen, reviewed postulated
scientific explanations of d including vacs and see birth memories.
Altered gases or blood gases are em intrusion, which stands
for rapid eye movement make it their mindfel Boss, toxic

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or metabolic hallucinations, all this other stuff, but none of
that stuff, None of that, None of that, he said,
would explain an NDE. Well, thank you for all these subscriptions,
mindful Boss. And in addition to the positive aspects during
an NDE and after an NDE, he was first to

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point out distressing indes which are disturbing, which we're going
to talk about tonight, even terrifying ones. And he also
noted that most people that have NDEs are mentally healthy
and they must not be confused with what's called depersonalization,
disassociation or post traumatic stress. Thank you guys, it's interesting.

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Doctor Jeffrey Long, who is a medical doctor, said my
understanding of near death experiences has made me a better doctor.
And also Pim van Lommel, who's an MD imminent Dutch cardiologists,
has conducted prospective studies on patients having cardiac arrest during
hospitalizations and eighteen percent of three hundred and forty four

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successfully resuscitated patients report having NDEs. He also reports four
other similarly designed perspective studies that have found between ten
and twenty percent of five hundred and sixty two patients
report having them, and Grayson states over nine million people
in the United States have reported having these in the

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In this presentation, In this hour presentation, I'm going to talk.
I'm going to present what doctor Long stated in an
interview with me when I've had him on the show
many times. Doctor Long is a Louisiana radiation oncologist established
the non p of That Near Death Experience Research Foundation.
It is the world's largest collection of people who have

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clinically died and come back to life. He also presents
nine lines of clear scientific evidence. Everybody says, logic, logic, science, science,
he he, thank you. He absolutely presents nine lines of
clear scientific evidence that converge on the explanation that NDE

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cannot be scientifically explained. And we're going to talk about
this as well. I will. Most of you know that
I had an nd I'm going to talk about that
experience as well. It was pro found profound. Now, as
you know, the church, even the Christian the Christian Church

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in general, teaches that we have a spiritual and immortal soul.
It lives on after death and near death experiences lucid.
Lucid experiences associated with consciousness apart from the body and
brain exist and that's important to understand. I'm gonna say

(21:14):
that again so you understand what I'm saying. Lucid experiences
associated with complete consciousness that is apart from the body
and the brain in these NDEs. I do. Yeah, I
see David, I do. And many times people will say
that they have been told that that. See David was asking,

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do you think God is just saying it's not your time?
I do, because there have been clear cases where people
have clinically died and either Jesus or a loved one says,
you have to go back, It's it's not your time
right now. I didn't get that experience, but I'm going
to tell you mine. Plus, when I did a presentation

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not to several years ago on this very topic people,
I asked people to send me in their stories and
they did, and some of these stories are amazing, amazing,
And I'm going to talk about my near death experience
a little later. So people report moving outside their bodies,

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passing through hospital walls, even being transported to another place,
often moving through a tunnel toward a bright light. Here,
these are the major elements of a near death experience.
One a complete and total out of body experience that's
also known as obe okay, feelings of love, joy, peace, painlessness.

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In some cases, it can be terrifying experiencing a moving
in a tunnel, meeting deceased relatives, encountering a having light
white light, receiving a life review, and then if it's
not time, obviously back into their body. There are many
people who are skeptical, okay, and the skeptics will say

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it is a defense mechanism produced by chemicals and a
dying brain, that that's all it is. It's a hallucination
that I can prove is incorrect. I can prove this
a brain's response to medication or a lack of oxygen. Again,
I can prove, and I will prove tonight that doesn't

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doesn't hold weight. Hallucination or delusion. Nope again, I'll I'm
going to address every one of these or even wishful
thinking memories that's implanted in the subconscious. There have been
over sixty five peer peer reviewed medical studies of more
than thirty five hundred indase, there's information that's gathered under

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clinical conditions by medical doctors and patients were clinically deceased
during the NDEs. There is no heartbeat, is a flat EEG,
no gag reflex, there are fixed pupils, So we clearly
can just absolutely, with one hundred percent certainty. We can

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dismiss hallucinations. We can dismiss the medications that you're given
or oxygen deprivation, because if you have no heart beat
and you have a flat EEG, you're dead and there's
no There are cases where there were no there's no
brain activity. Because people are gonna say, yeah, but I

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heard that the brain activity continues after eight minutes after decease.
There have been cases where there was no brain activity
and a person came back to life telling people what
they saw, So that rules this out. This is a
prof found topic and I think more than ever we

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need to. This is why I said we've got to
talk about this topic tonight, because so many people are
so overwhelmed and their stress and their anxious and because
of the recent deaths. Yes, oh you know, and you
may not be Oh well, I don't care about Ozzy OSM,
weren't okay or or whole Cogan. The fact is is
there were a lot of people that were truly affected

(25:25):
by this. Now their medical studies validate inde reality, it
confirmed observations when clinically deceased. And also we're gonna let
me just go into this, let me go into the
actual real doctor Pem van Lammel said, who's a medical doctor.

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Until now, the concept was that the brain is the
producer of consciousness and the producer of memories. But when
you study near death experiences, we have to reconsider this concept.
Perhaps we should consider their brain not as a producer
but as a receiver of consciousness. Again, he's a medical doctor. Now,

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there are and there have been reports people who have
had NDSE where it was not heavenly, and we're going
to talk about those as well. Matter of fact, ten percent,
only ten percent of the reports of people who have
had near death experiences report it being negative. Can technically

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a brain dead person be in the afterlife if the
body is being kept here, well, yes, because actually there
have been cases where a person was brain dead, they
were clinically the east, they were the soul was no
longer here, and they left their body and they have

(27:09):
come back and they've told what they've experienced. So people
who were brain dead, some of the stories that I'm
going to tell you guys tonight, and I contacted these people.
I personally contacted them and I asked them about their
cases to validate I have absolutely on life support. I see. Actually, yeah,
there were a couple of cases where people were on

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life support and consider brain dead. But what they came back.
So let's get into this to the meat, and this
is going to be profound, all right. Although most people
who have come to death say they remember nothing, around
ten to twenty percent later report that something happened. That

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something is often described as near death experience. A Gallop
Pope published in nineteen eighty two led to an estimate
that twelve to fifteen million Americans personal experience in nd Now,
there's some controversy as to how to define in de
Researchers have not reached it consistence on how to define it.

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Really the research definition that many peoples use, the INDIE
must occur at the time of near death physical compromise
so severe that without improvement, permanent, irreversible death would occur.
So indears are generally unconscious and ofteny clinically dead. NDEs
can occur in children and adults. They do occur in

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atheists and believers. That's important to note because a lot
of people will say it's only eight believers, incorrect. Atheists
have had Many atheists have experienced this. They occur in physicians, scientists, ministers, priests,
people from all walks of life, and indes have been
reported throughout history. The the earliest recorded INDE was from

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the time of Plato, and from all cultures from all
around the world. An important point is that you do
not have to have physically died without cessation of breathing
or heart function to have an experience like a NDE.
So experiences seemingly identical to in de associated with clinical

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death have been reported in a variety of circumstances in
which there was no associated life threatening event. So such
circumstances may include, for example, non fatal traffic accidents or
mountaineering out accidents. Childbirth experiences similar to nd are relatively
common and terminally ill patients. They are referred to as

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death bed visions, and these experiences may be collective referred
to as nd like experiences. So in es are one
part of a spectrum of significant human experiences experiences, So
an experience can be deeply significant and meaningful. What is

(30:12):
clear is that and this is abundantly clear, and n
D E near death experiences. They are not a dream,
They are not a hallucination or mental or psychiatric dysfunction.
They are real experiences. And virtually all in D experiences

(30:36):
we that that that doctor Long said that he experienced,
felt that the experience was real, significant, and meaningful, and
when asked directly if the experiences was dream like in
any way, virtually all in d E experiences we put
that doctor Long said said no. So I asked doctor Long,

(30:58):
let me just turn this on percent connected to I phone?
One So I asked doctor Long, and again, I'm gonna
go this. That's weird in the world. That was weird. Wow,
that's kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I that was weird.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
That's if it's reading on this. I can't read on
this because this doesn't it's not even connected to this.
That's really strange. So battery ninety percent connected to I phone.
That's really strange. So okay, that is Does it make

(31:49):
sense because it's not even connected to this? Hold on,
I gotta fix this one second? Hold on one second?
Does it make sense because it's not even.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Connected to this?

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Wow, that's kind of okay. Well, I'm glad I have
a backup on this one that's never done that before.
It's it's reading this see it's reading this iPhone. Yeah,

(32:43):
mister producer, that's kind of weird. Okay, we're just gonna
turn that down here. I'm really glad that I have
a backup on this. I that is never I have.
That's kind of great. Great okay, yeah, And I can't

(33:06):
do this because if I get if I go over
here and I turn it off, then you guys, I'll
turn TikTok off and I don't want to do that.
I'm going to make sure that it's not connecting to
my desktop, which has never done before. Nope, that's really weird. Yeah,

(33:33):
I mean because I use this every night. Just hang tight, everybody,
I use this every night. I might have to restart
on TikTok and I don't because I don't know why
it's reading it. It shouldn't be reading it shouldn't be
reading it. Okay, yea, I'm gonna have to restart this.

(33:54):
Join me, join me in about one minute. That is
really odd. I don't understand that it's not even connected. Yeah,

(34:16):
I I do my it. LF has to get on it.
Twisted Brigs, thank you so much, thank you, thank you
who the hell is this picking up? Wow? Okay, folks,

(34:46):
this I have never experienced this. This is really really peculiar.
M Okay, I'm gonna restart this. Bear with me, all right,

(35:20):
that's okay. Uh, let's see if this works. Hold on
one second. Sure this is really Hold on, guys, I've
got this major, major, major, major malfunction with technology right here,

(35:41):
and I can't figure this out. Okay, it's connected. Bear
with me, okay, m hm, who knows they bundo board

(36:02):
five order? All right, very weird, very weird. The things
that happened, you know when Okay, that was kind of strange.

(36:24):
It was even picking up on TikTok when there wasn't
even TikTok playing. Okay, all right, folks, Well yeah, hey,
I think we got it all fixed here, and that's

(36:47):
kind of cool. Actually, if you think about it, there's
there's no logical explanation for that. None, absolutely no all
logical explanation for what just happened, because there was nothing. Okay,
So anyway, why I was rudely interrupted by this, it's all.

(37:08):
We'll just blame it on mister producer. Okay, all right,
So this is I ask doctor Long. I ask him
can you please define what is a near death experience
from your perspective? And this is what doctor Long said,
who's a wordling expert on near death experiences.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Near death experiences are the same. I think a good
definition of near death experience is, as the name implies,
two components. The people are near death. In other words,
they're they're having a close brush with death. They're so
severely physically compromised that they're generally unconscious and they may
be clinically dead with no heartbeat. But at that time,

(37:51):
when they're unconscious and very very close to death, when
when a conscious, lucid experience should be impossible, they have
the experience part of a near death experience. Perhaps as
many as five percent of adults have had a near
death experience at some time in their life, so they're
not really rare. By that estimate, you would guess that
there would be approximately fifteen plus million people in the

(38:13):
United States who could have potentially had a near death experience.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Very cool. That's again, this is for those of you
who just tuning in. I've interviewed doctor Long several times,
and I'm playing several of the sound bites that I
did when I asked him about this because there's so
much there are so many things that he graciously I mean,
you know, he was on twice and I asked him

(38:40):
to explain near death experiences and what they were and
what they were not because a lot of people, I
think have a misconception of near death experiences. And so
for me it's like, Okay, I want you to explain everything.
And he did. Let me pull this up and I'll

(39:00):
bring this for you guys, So bear with me while
everything miss missif messed up there, Okay. So I also
asked him, of course, the question was tell me a
little bit more, obviously about the near death experiences. What
was there anything, how many how many people have had them,

(39:21):
talk a little bit more about that, and this's what he.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Said, Yeah, good question. Thanks the Actually, that's an important
question because the substantial majority of people that do nearly
die do not have a near death experience. Only about
ten to twenty percent of people that have that close
brush with death will have a near death experience, and
we absolutely have no idea why that is. It's been

(39:43):
very well studied over the last thirty five years, looking
at a variety of demographic issues, age, cultural background, religious
belief or lack of religious belief. Absolutely no variable that
we can find will predict whether an NDE and will
use the term indeed to abbreviate near death experience. Now,
we can't tell from any anything that we understand about

(40:06):
demographic variables whether someone will have a near death experience
or not.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I think it's very important to understand and when you
under because there's a lot such a misconception, and I
think especially with near death experiences. So just bear with
me because I'm trying to figure all this stuff out. Well,
thank you, oh, thank you, beautiful, thank you, Darla, thank you.
So I'm trying to regain some type of organization here

(40:36):
because everything messed up when I did that. All right,
weird having a weird experience here. So the question that
I ask is when how many people actually have them?
And he briefly mentioned that. Let me just talk about
this for a second.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Ality of a near death experience occurring during a life
threatening new the same worldwide, so that again that's not
there's only been like.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
That.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Again, the probability of a near death experience occurring during
a life threatening event is the same worldwide, so that
again that's not there's only been like the only there
are two good studies about the incidents of near death
experience was the United States, Germany and Italy, and those
are really the only countries where we know it's about
five percent of the population it's had a near death experience.

(41:27):
But based on that, we think probably whether you have
if you have a close brush with death, doesn't make
any difference what country in the world you live in.
You'll have that same probability of a near death experience.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
And of course the next question, of course, the people
always ask, then, when you have a near death experience,
how much of this is geographically speaking? Is it? Is
there a geographical location, Is there culture? Is it something
of this nature that would perhaps maybe explain this away.
Is it more cultural or what? And that was the
question that I asked him, and let me answer for that.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, that's one of the most fascinating parts of what
we study. Well, good gosh, we have the portions of
our website with the survey that we have for near
death experiences has been translated into over twenty languages, so
we have by far the largest cross cultural study of
near death experience that's ever been possible before. And in
fact we have now about three dozen non Western new

(42:22):
death experiences. So based on that fairly substantial data set,
I am reasonably confident in stating that near death experiences
are the same worldwide no matter what your cultural background.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
That's important to understand, you know, because if people will say, well,
but you know, if it's more Western or Western, or
if it's more you know, maybe perhaps religion, if it's
a religious you know, if it's a culture that's primarily
you know, focused on this religion or that religion. What's
interesting is that thank you the near death experiences I

(42:55):
think so, Alex, thank you, welcome seemed to be he
there's no common denominate as far as was all Christians
or Muslim, more Jewish or non denominational. It's everybody. It's
across the board. And so what I ask the next
question is, well, explain then what typically happens during a

(43:17):
near death experience. And this is what doctor Long. For
those of you who are just joining on, Bishop Long,
and I spoke to doctor Long. He's a world leading expert,
thank you, Alex, world leading expert on near death experiences.
And I've had him on for quite some time and
we appreciate him always jumping on. By the way, everybody,
if you're on TikTok, make sure you follow my friend
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(43:41):
a nice guy. He spreads a lot of positivity, and
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that's kind, make sure you follow him. Okay, So it's Alex,
I pend it. Everybody follow my friend Alex. Okay. So

(44:07):
my question that I ask in was what typically happens
during a near death experience? And again later on I'll
talk about my experience. And most of you know, but
some of you don't. And so here's what he says.
What typically happens, and this is a medical doctor, what
typically happens during a near death experience?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
As I said, no two near death experiences are the same.
But if you study a bunch of them, and I've
now studied over two thousand, you see a very consistent
pattern of elements. Very often, the very first thing that
happens after the person is unconscious or clinically dead from
an accident or illness, that nearly killed them. Often that
one of the first things is what's called an out

(44:49):
of body experience. Their point of consciousness generally rises above
their body. Occasionally it goes more horizontally, but in general,
consciousness rises above their body, and from that vantage point
they can see and often hear ongoing earthly events at
a time they're unconscious or clinically dead, and often that
involves dramatic descriptions of their own resuscitation as people frantically

(45:11):
try to revive them well. In following that, many and
near death experiences described passing into or through a tunnel
variably described Often at the end of the tunnel is
a light. Now this is no ordinary earthly light. It's mystical.
It can be brilliant. One person described it as being
like a million times a million suns in intensity, and
yet it never hurts the eyes to look at it.

(45:34):
It's perceived as being beautiful, even seems to have a
living characteristic. There then may be a life review in
which they see portions or all of their prior life.
They may see deceased loved ones that they knew from
their earthly life. These are joyous reunions. They may see
a beautiful unearthly realms and meet your music, for example,

(45:54):
that is beautiful beyond anything they've heard on earth. These
realms have often been described as heavenly, and that's probably
an ampt description. They may encounter buildings, landscapes so that
are so beautiful, they have colors with no earthly correlate.
And then finally, for many near death experiences, they have
a decision about returning to their earthly body.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
These are profound sound bites. You know, we talk a
lot about science and things of this nature. Inde near
death experience has been extensively documented in medical literature, with
hundreds of scholarly articles regarding Indie published in the medical
and scientific literature. There are a lot of skeptics of Indie.

(46:40):
But here's here's the deal with skeptics. Skeptics have not
been able to find a plausible biological or physiological explanation
for a near death experience. And that's according to doctor Long,
and this failure on the part of skeptics explains the
large number of varied and generally unaccepted alternative explanations. So

(47:01):
when they say, well it could be this, no, but
what about this Inde and that that you know, refutes
that argument. The reason there are so many skeptical explanations
of INDE is that there are there's no one or
several physiological, biological, or cultural explanation of ND that makes
sense even to the skeptics. The level of consciousness during

(47:24):
the experience is generally described as fully alert, and often
as one experience, are described far more conscious than humanly normal,
and these experiences seem quite apart from anything encountered in
daily living. When doctor Long did a survey and they
were asked following the experience, have you had any other

(47:46):
any other events in your life, medications, or substance which
produced any part of the experience? And eighty one percent
said no. So clearly we're pressed with both the similarities
and dissimilarities of index experiencers. And while some experiences have
a detailed and even a prolonged experience, others have a
shorter and less dramatic experience. But all the ND experiences,

(48:09):
thank you, are significant and important. No too, as doctor
Long says, no two D experiences are identical, but within
a group of experiences, certain patterns become evident. And one
research that they did is based over two thousand indes
shared directly on their website, and we're going to talk

(48:31):
about this in just a second. One thing that I
ask him is are how real are indes? How would
you describe them based on your study and speaking to people?
How real are they? And this is what he said.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
My book I accomplished that in January twenty ten, and
to my substantial surprise, that very quickly became a New
York Times bestseller, which was, needless to say, a huge shock.
But you know, on the other hand, I was delight
about that one of the first things. And of course
it's going to take a while to slog through all

(49:04):
nine lines of evidence, but I think one of the
first things that we talked about are the fact that
people are supposed to be and they are unconscious or
clinically dead at this time, and yet they're having very lucid, organized, consistent,
crystal clear consciousness. If you will, I can tell you
as a physician, you know, when you work with people
that have coded their heart stopped, you've had to resuscitate them.

(49:27):
It's very binary. Either they had a near death experience
and they had a typically lucid organized series of elements
that we consistently observed, or they had absolutely no experience
whatsoever or only minimal fragmentary experiences. So it's you know,
the concept that you're having crystal clear consciousness while clinically

(49:48):
dead is medically inexplicable thought. That's number one of the
nine lives. But you know, the second one, probably one
of my favorite one is and this really cuts into
the quick about the reality of near death experiences. If
near death experiences were caused by any physiological you name it, oxygen,

(50:08):
carbon dioxide, chemistry, electrical activity, any possible brain function whatsoever,
you would expect when they have that out of body experience,
given the fact they're unconscious or clinically dead in that
initial part of the near death experience, at the time
they're out of body, the time they're looking around well
above their body, you would absolutely expect that there would

(50:29):
be some inaccuracy. In other words, there would be some distortion.
What they see wouldn't be real. And yet, in my study,
I studied over two hundred and eighty near death experiences
sequentially shared with through very rigorous methodology, and I reviewed
these experiences to see if there was any reason for
me or the person sharing the experience to believe that
any part of their observations was unrealistic in any way.

(50:53):
And the bottom line is ninety eight percent of these
out of body observations were absolutely realistic and every variable,
and in fact, people would often bring back very accurate
observations geographically very far from the physical body and far
outside of any possible physical sensory awareness. During a near
death experience, they may or may not have a discussion

(51:15):
or if you will, a decision about returning to their
earthly body. Many many near death experiencers, obviously at the
end of their near death experience, do describe that process. Now.
Some just simply have the experience and then at some
point during the near death experience, boom, they're back in
their body. But it's a fascinating group of people where
they're dialoguing, typically with other loving spiritual beings that are

(51:36):
present while while they're making up their mind. And consistent
with your recollection of near death experiences, you're absolutely right,
the great majority of near death experiencers do not want
to return to their earthly body. Just think about how
amazing that is. I mean, you are people that have friends, family, children,
loved ones. Earth is all that they've known for years, decades,

(51:58):
of their life, and yet here they are their near
death experience. They have intensely positive emotions. Every part of
their being suggests to themselves that this is their real home,
not Earth. They really feel that they want to stay there.
I mean, it's really tough to make a conscious decision
to believe what it is literally for these people a
heavenly realm to return to Earth and believe me, Earth

(52:20):
ain't heaven. And the dialogue that goes on here and
why they choose to Earth is one of the fascinating
sort of subtexts of the near death experience research.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Again, that was doctor Long, who is a medical doctor
and one of the world's leading expert on near death experiences.
I ask doctor Long during one of the interviews, is okay,
what what about oxygen? You know, there's people inevitably are
going to say, well, this is just oxygen deprivation, that's

(52:52):
all this is. So you can blah blah blah blah
all day long, but this is just the oxygen. This
is the brain struggling, and it is just a mirage.
It's an illusion. What would you have to say to
those people who say this? And this is what doctor
Long said about this and again, it was a pretty
pretty remarkable statman. Listen what he says.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Oh yeah, And there's lots of other reasons that near
death experiences cannot be any kind of physiological, chemical, electrical,
brain activity whatsoever. And we talked about the fact that
out of body experiences are completely close to one hundred
percent reliable. Even people blind born totally blind have had
highly visual near death experiences, and that is absolutely medically inexplicable.

(53:38):
I mean, that single handedly blows away any explanation other
than what near death experiencers themselves almost uniformly believe, and
that is their real experiences in another realm. One of
the other things that people find very very convincing is, again,
if these experiences were associated with brain function at all,
what about near death experiences under general anesthesia. Under that

(54:00):
total blanket of sleep of anesthesia, you can't have any
conscious experience. And yet some people have complications of anesthesia
or surgery, or as a result of their pre existing
trauma or illness prior surgery, their heart stops surgery. And
yet these experiences for people's heartstop while they're under general anesthesia,
the content of their near death experience is essentially absolutely

(54:23):
the same as indes occurring under all other circumstances, including
the degree of consciousness and alertness during the experience, and
if the anesthesia modified the near death experience at all,
you would be inconceivable that they'd have the same level
of consciousness and alertness, and yet they do. A near
death experience is sort of a transitionary thing. It changes

(54:43):
during as the experience progresses. If you will, certainly during
the initial part I would believe what the near death
experiencers say. That is, they are some non physical self
with their point of consciousness above their body. But by
the time they're into these unearthly if you will, heavenly realms,
then all of a sudden, things change fairly, dramatically, almost uniformally.

(55:04):
Near death experiencers say time does not exist, or at
least time as we know on Earth absolutely does not exist.
Communication is essentially always non physical. Telepathic is really a
good term for it. But it's like that motion is
often non physical. In other words, they're not physically moving,
but they can will themselves, or they can move often

(55:25):
at what would be overwhelming earthly speeds. Pretty much uni
variety of places and ways that they want thought can
be grossly accelerated. I mean, we talked about life reviews briefly,
but can you imagine seeing most or all of your
prior life during a time of unconsciousness of a few
minutes after a cardiac arrest? And yet that's what people report.

(55:47):
So I think what near death experiencers are describing, what
they often allude to, is that this seems to be
some Clearly it's absolutely not a separate third dimensional world
the way we know it. Clearly true, there seems to be.
In fact, a lot of evidence points to from near
death experiences that they're in existing in if you will

(56:08):
afford their higher h physical to use a term to mention,
that is something radically different from what we know on earth.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
That is profound, isn't it? It really is. And in
a moment, I'm going to talk several, uh, several people
who have sent me messages and I've asked them to
you know, I've talked to them about the you know,
their near death experiences. I'm going to be presenting that
and mine. One. When you're talking about near death experiences,

(56:37):
one thing that doctor Long found is there's several things
that really are very similar. And one he said, uh,
there's difficulty in explaining the NDE. The extraordinary experiences may
be difficult to describe in words, so when they come
when when people come back after having an NDE, it's
very difficult to put it into words, you know, like mine,

(56:58):
when I say joy and happiness, that even come close
to what I experienced. Also what most Indies indie ease.
They have an associated life threatening event, but not all
the time, so there's generally physical compromise to the point
of unconsciousness or even clinically death. There's also a separation
many times of consciousness from the body, so viewing the

(57:21):
surroundings from a vantage point other than the physical body.
Some see their bodies as often frantic resuscitation efforts. They
are generally able to hear what's being said, often to
the considerable embarrassment of medical personnel involved in the resuscitation.
In the outer body state, they are not able to
interact physically with anyone or anything. There's often a sense

(57:43):
of peace, virtually never discomfort. Also, one thing that seems
to be very common is that the ability to see
and hear details of ongoing earthly events which may be
close or even distant from the body. While unconscious, thank
you so like. These details are often later confirmed by
others who are generally astonished and even mystified that the

(58:06):
experiencer was aware of the events while unconscious. He actually
has a few indes where the indieear was on the
way to the morgue or actually in the morgue when
they regain consciousness after their death. Although also what most
people say is experiencing intensely powerful emotion. So these emotions

(58:29):
may include ecstasy, fear, peace, calm. Most indies are associated
with very pleasant emotions, but there are some few that
are with fear, emptiness. Most people report hearing distinctive sounds,
so like experiences may report hearing a variety of unusual

(58:49):
sounds or noise. I did one. Also, people talk a
lot about passing into and through a dark tunnel. The
tunnel is variably described regarding its appearance and size. The
doctor Long says, we have not encountered an inn the
year with a claustrophobic sense in the tunnel, and movement
in the tunnel may be described as relatively slow or

(59:12):
extremely fast. Also, many people talk about encountering with a
bright mystical light. I did see this and by the way,
I told doctor Long when I interviewed him my indie experience,
and he's an expert, and he said, you absolutely you
had a indie, no question about it. And I'll talk

(59:32):
about that in a moment. M So many people talk
about a mystical light. Also, many people talk about meeting others,
so the experiencer may encounter other spiritual beings or departed
loved ones. Deceased pets, by the way, have been encountered,
as well as other animals like butterflies and horses and birds.

(59:58):
The encounter with others is generally described as joyous and loving.
Some people say that they have a life review. I
did not, So experiences are presented with a rapid panoramic
review of their lives, and the life review may include
brief reviews of moments in their past life or extremely
detailed with the presentation of how the experiencers actions affected

(01:00:20):
others around them. Other people talk about seeing or visiting
beautiful locations like beautiful cities and libraries and gardens. Some
say a sense of knowing universal order and purpose. So
some people who have clinically died have a sense of
deep understanding of the universe. Many indie ears state that

(01:00:42):
they were shown enormous knowledge but could not return with it.
Some people report reaching a boundary, like if they're walking
with Jesus or a loved one, that they can only
go so far, and then the Jesus or the loved
ones say you have to go back. Others report an
awareness of future life events. Some have reported a decision,

(01:01:07):
Oh well, thank you there don thank you very much
for that. I appreciate that, very nice. Thank you. There's
a gift that someone is offering, a TikTok, very kind.
Some said, Okay, you can return if you wish, or
you can stay. There is many people report are returning
to the body or even having special gifts. There have

(01:01:30):
been others who have completely changed behaviors and attitudes of life. Now.
I asked doctor long about has anyone experienced any form
of depression coming back, you know, when you experience this
life altering event. While have you have you had anybody

(01:01:53):
who talks about depression?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
And this is what he says, Oh, that's very common
following in your death experience. I mean, you can just
imagine the overwhelming joy, bliss, connection, sense of love, very
profoundly knowing, not guessing or hoping for But people in
these near death experiences and these unearthly realms know that
that's the real home you can imagine, and of course

(01:02:17):
they have no pain. You know, there may be their
deceased loved ones there and then all of a sudden boom,
they're thrown back or ultimately have to decide to come
back to their earthly body. It's not at all unusual
for people to have some real adjustment reactions. They realize, how,
you know, how difficult their earthly life is. They realize

(01:02:38):
that they don't want they don't want to be here.
They so want to be back in that incredibly beautiful
area that they were at. It's tough for people. In fact,
people that have depression after near death experiences that can
go on for a fairly long time. Generally they slowly
get out of it and it takes time. But that's
a tough tough thing for people that have a near
death experience to go through.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Actually, yeah, that's a great question, so Beth as saying,
I wonder how many unbelievers have turned to Christ. Actually
several there have been people who have experienced so like
maybe they did not have faith and they completely changed.
So there have been cases of that. Now, I did
ask about talk a little bit about the life review.

(01:03:21):
You know, when people have had that, what have people
reported that to you? And this is what he said.
By people who having a life review during their near
death experience, a life.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Review is a real fascinating part of a near death experience.
They may see a portion or all of their prior life.
Now when they see all of their prior life, occasionally
they have what we call panoramic life reviews, where they
not only see and are aware of all of their
prior life events, but they actually remarkably since and become

(01:03:51):
aware of what people they were interacting with felt thought
as a consequence of their interaction with them. You know,
sometimes I almost have to pinch myself when I read
these into ease and say, wait a minute, these folks
are unconscious or clinically dead, and yet here they are
processing all of their prior life during the time of unconsciousness,
ranging from a number of seconds to minutes. That shows

(01:04:13):
that an excellent example of the tremendous acceleration of consciousness
that occurs. One thing that I always point out when
it comes to life reviews, A lot of people when
they hear about life reviews and near death experiences. Their
knees get wobbily and their face turns white, and they go, oh,
I've done some things in my life I'm not proud of.
And so I would hasten to point out that during

(01:04:33):
near death experiences, essentially always the life review occurs, often
in the presence of a loving, compassionate other being or beings,
and essentially never is there any judgment externally about their
prior life. If there's any judgment right or wrong, or
things need to change or I could have done this better,

(01:04:53):
any of those judgmental concepts at all only seems to
come from the near death experience or themselves other external source.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Very interesting, and I did ask about and in a moment,
I'll talk about mine and then share a few more things.
I did ask about deathbed visions, and if you could
explain that from a medical perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, I can tell you. The people that do hospice,
that care for terminally ill are obviously fascinated with my work,
and I talked to several of their groups already, and
I'm sure i'll do more of that in the future.
There's a whole spectrum of what happens to people at
the end of life. I mean, you know, obviously dying
is frightening, and you know it's associated with all the
stuff physically, mentally, emotionally that goes on with that. So

(01:05:37):
you know, certainly there's going to be some people that have,
you know, the sort of a you know, they'll they'll
cry out, or that they'll be in distress, which it's understandable.
But I would point out quickly that one of the
experiences that I consider to be in the spectrum of
near death experiences that can occur at the end of life,
it's what's called a deathbed vision. A deathbed vision involves

(01:05:58):
them seeing off and a light off in their spiritual
beings off, and there's a sense of love. It's sort
of they may be near death and unconscious even for
a prolonged period of time, all of a sudden open
up their eyes look at something, and they'll even be
surprised that other people don't see often a deceased loved
one that is there with them, and that these types
of experiences can be incredibly comforting me. Now, there's actually

(01:06:21):
a growing body of scholarly literature on this, and of
course the first thing I would think is the doctor's well, heck,
you know what kind of medicines arely on. And yet
the transition from non lucidity or hypo lucidity into a
very lucid state and a very positive emotional reaction, and
you know, a sudden build almost like a Swan song

(01:06:42):
kind of coming back to life and glowing a little
bit and seeing these beautiful apparitions is you'll certainly, and
in fact, a lot of what they see has a
lot in common with the elements and near death experience.
I think all of that points to the reality of
this in the number of people at the end of life.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Okay, now for those of you who just joining us,
so I am Bishop Long, we're talking well, I'm sharing
some sound bites with from doctor Jeffrey Long, who is
a world leading expert on near death experiences, who is
a medical doctor. I've had him on a couple times.
But before we continue, let's do it very very quickly,
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(01:09:09):
This is from doctor Long. For those of you who
just joining us. I talked to doctor Long, who is
a medical expert on well his doctor, and he's a
leading expert on near death experiences. These are his nine
lines to prove that near death experiences are real. Listen
to this. These are profound. One, there's crystal clear consciousness.

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The level of consciousness and alertness during near death experiences
is usually even greater than the experience in everyday life,
though in these generally occur when a person is unconscious
or clinically dead, and this high level of consciousness while
physically unconscious is medically inexplicable. And additionally, the elements of
indes generally follow the same consistent and logical order in

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all age of groups all around the world, which refutes
the possibility that indes have any relation to dreams or hallucinations.
And that's true. So basically what he's saying is no
matter what your age, no matter what your culture, no
matter what your religion, every single nd seems to have
some type of logical order universally. Now that's not in

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every one, but it's for the majority. So therefore it
couldn't be a hallucination because it would all be subjective,
it would all be different. The second line realistic out
of body experiences. So the out of body experiences are
often one of the most common elements in NDEs, and
what INDs that's near death experience, see and hear of

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earthly events in the out of body state is almost
always realistic, and when the INDs or others later seek
to verify what was observed or heard during the NDE,
the out of body experience observations are almost always confirmed
as completely accurate, even if the OBE observations during the
nd include events far from the physical body. So there

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have been cases where people were clinically dead, they left
their body and they were able to tell what the
family was discussing down the hall. Now, that in of
itself proves that this is not a hallucination, and there
have been cases where people have done this. So that

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fact the loan rules out the possibility that near death
experience are related to any known brain functioning or sensory awareness.
Also number three then third line heightened senses. Not only
are heightened sentences reported by most people who have NDEs,
Normal or super normal vision has occurred in those with
significantly impaired vision, even legal blindness. There have been people

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who were completely blind, totally blind since birth and they
had a near death experience where they were clinically dead,
and they came back and they reported everything they saw
in color. They described the color. Number four consciousness during anesthesia.

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Many NDEs occur while under general anesthesia at a time
when any conscious experience is impossible. While some skeptics claim
that these NDEs may have the result of too little anesthesia, Nope,
it ignores the fact that some NDEs result from anesthesia
overdose and the description of NDE differs greatly from that

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who experiences anesthetic awareness. And by the way, there's a
zero percent chance, zero percent that when you're under propovol
you cannot dream. It doesn't exist, and that is from
doctor Long. He said, it's not possible, zero percent chance.
It can't happen. Scientific it cannot happen. Also, the fifth

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line is a perfect playback life reviews, and near death
experiences include real events that previously took place in the
lives of those having the experience, even if the events
were forgotten or happened before they were old enough to remember.
Also in the sixth line is family reunions during an NDE.
The people encountered are virtually always deceased, usually relatives of

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the person having the experience, sometimes or even relatives who
pass away before the NDE or was even born. Now,
some experienced children experiences. That's seven. The near death experience
of children, including very young children who are too young
to have developed concept of deaths. Religion, or near death
experiences are essentially identical to those of other children and adults,

(01:13:54):
So this refutes the possibility that INDE is produced by
pre existing beliefs. Thank you very much, Thank you, Sarlo.
The eighth nine of the proof. Eighth line that proves
that near death experience is valid is worldwide consistency. Near
death experiences appear remarkably consistent around the world and across

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many different religions and cultures. And then the ninth line
that proves is after effects, it is very common for
people to experience major life changes after having near death experiences,
and these after effects are often powerful, lasting, life enhancing
and changes generally follow. So that's what he argues as

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these are clear lines that would refute any type of
argument that this was just make believe. Okay, yeah, now
we're going to talk about some cases and then I
will tell you mine. Oh by the way, now I

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asked him about a about the blind woman. I so
tell us about the case for the blind woman who
had an NDE, And this is what doctor Long said. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
I think probably one of the biggest ones would be Vicky,
who is one hundred percent totally and completely blind from birth.
Her description our vision is absolutely stunning, from the time
she had her out of body experience and saw her
body for the first time on the gurney in the
emergency room, identifying herself by correlating her newfound sense of
vision with the feel of the ring. The incredible detailed

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description she describes actually interestingly three hundred and sixty degree vision.
Vicky cannot understand why you and I and everyone else
we know has, if you will, pie shaped the visual fields.
That was not her life experience. I think that just
sort of like it's almost like the Rosetta Stone and
near death experiences. Its experience is like that the totally
blind from birth was highly visual into easy. You can

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say that single handedly eliminates any physiological or psychological or
cultural cause of near deav experience. And since they are
what they near death experiences believe they are real senses
of another realm.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Now here are some cases. I asked people several years
ago when I did this, and I asked people to
send me their story. I did contact these folks because
I asked them, you know, put their name, you know,
in the phone number, and I contacted every single one
of them. And let's talk a little bit about these cases.

(01:16:26):
They are profound. Uh Well, I just call her Alice.
She is thirty seven years old. She's a florist from Vermont.
She suffered cardiac arrests while arranging flowers for an upcoming wedding.
As her heart stopped, Alice found herself in a beautiful garden. Now,
she described, the colors were more vivid than any earthly

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flowers she had ever imagined. The air, she says, was
filled with the scent of lavender and a feeling of
complete peace, and as she under through the garden, she
encountered her grandmother. She had passed away when Alice was
a teenager. Her grandmother spoke no words, yet somehow communicated
that her time in this realm was only temporary. Alice

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awoke to find herself in the hospital, surrounded by worried
family members. Her experience in the garden inspired her to
start a community garden project to spread the peace that
she felt. She also describes and she says that she
flatlined and she was dead. According to the doctors, there
was no, absolutely nothing for nine minutes, nothing, and she returned.

(01:17:46):
The next case that I spoke to, Samuel was a
He had passed away since, but he was a sixty
year old church sixty year old church choir director. He
was in Alabama, and he had a He was doing
a routine surgery. It went awry, and during the moments
when his heart stopped the function, Samuel found himself standing

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in a grand hall filled with celestial choir. He said
that the music was unlike anything he had ever heard
or even wrote himself, harmonious, transcending mortal understanding. Each note,
he said, seemed to resonate with his very soul, filling
him with an overwhelming sense of love. The choir wasn't

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composed of familiar faces, but beings that he said, it
was made of pure de light. The song conveyed to
Samuel that he had more work to do on earth.
They did not want to return, he said, encouraging him
to share the love and joy that he felt in
the transcendent place. When he returned to his body, he

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was filled with new inspiration, dedicating himself to writing music
that uplifted and healed people. And I asked him how
long had he flatlined? Eleven minutes? Eleven minutes, And I
asked each of them about their flat lighting. The next
story was Javier Xavier. He was he's a he is

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a forty three now now he's more. But he was
a forty three year astrophysicist from California, scientist logic through
and through, and he was caught, unfortunately in a freak
accident in an observatory. It was a small observatory, it's
not one of the bigger ones, and scientists were running
a test on new equipment. There was an electrical surge,

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he said, this shot through the facility, causing his heart
to stop. And during his brush with death, a Xavier
found himself walk walking among the stars, he said, each
one was brilliant orb of information and warmth. That he said,
the universe became his playground, and he encountered beings made

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of starlight who communicated profound wisdom about life the interconnectedness
of all things. There was no heart beat for seven
minutes during this time, and after being resuscitated, Javier dedicated
parts of his work to studying the philosophical implications of
space exploration and inspired by the mysterious harmony that he witnessed.

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He did say, by the way that he was able
to see when he left his body, he was able
to see one of the individuals unplug all the electrical
outlets in the thing, and he and that person received
like a kind of a shock too, but that didn't
affect his body. He was able to when he came back,

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and he said, and I saw you unplug everything, and
when you did that, you felt that shock, and you
thought you were going to be in the same situation.
That in of itself proved something something there. And by
the way, that was in another room, so it wasn't
in the same room. So people will say, yeah, but

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you know, the brain might have heard it subconsciously.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
His friend was in another room unplugging everything for this
electrical and he came back and said, I saw you
do this, and it shocked you that by itself. The
next one is Mara. She was a fifty two year
old nurse from Chicago and she had a drowning accident.

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She was on vacation in Hawaii, and but despite moments
when her life hung in the balance, mar experienced the
sensation of floating in crystal clear waters and worn by
radiant light. The water, she says, were healing. So there's
a current that was pushing her down and she couldn't

(01:21:49):
get up to the surface, and she just after her
body start stopped, you know, convulsing. She just said that
there was this peace and the water, she says, were
like it was healing. It washed away not not just
her fear, but all the pain leaving her and she
just was a very profound sense of tranquility. And she

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says she met she blacked out, and then she came
to she met a presence that conveyed to her, you know,
the importance of healing and compassion and urging her to
continue her work on earth. She didn't know who this
person was, but she came the only she remembers that
she came to while she was on the beach, she

(01:22:36):
was coughing up water. And so she actually founded a
support group for trauma survivors, offering counseling, it even therapies
for people a boy. The you know, the deep peace
that she experienced. This this individual, Emily, she's twenty four
year old and she had a severe asthma attack in

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New York. Was completely it became unconscious. So the way
she described it is she found herself in this beautiful room.
She blacked out and she said, it's like I opened
my eyes and I was in this room and there's beauty.
She just kept saying, beautiful, beautiful everything. And she said

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there were there are books, and she loves books, and
she's there there are books, and there was it was
just it was vibrant. She kept saying, it was vibrant.
And she saw a woman that looked very much like
her mom who had passed away and guided her through
the aisles and knowledge and wisdom. And then her mom

(01:23:47):
showed her a book and had empty pages in it,
and she said, her mom told her these are this
is your future. And it hasn't been written yet, and
she said, it's not your time. You have to go
back and you have to continue to write your story.
She was revived by paramedics. She was completely no activity

(01:24:08):
for eight minutes, and so she did come back, and
she said she was a little angry, you know, because
she wanted to stay there. But she has since she's
writing about her experience. And I don't know if there's
a book out because this was several years that I
spoke to her. Ivan he has passed away. He was

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actually from Russia and he was a sixty five year
old painter, retired painter, and he was painting inside his
studio and he had a massive stroke and his wife
was with him. And during the interlude, whereas life, he said,
was in the balance, Ivan found himself in it like
a breath taking like a symphony of colors is what

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he called it. And colors that he could never imagined
just were just all around him. I mean it was everywhere,
and there was some music he could hear in the
back and he said it was just coming to life, shapes, colors, everything.
His wife said that he had been deceased. There was
no response, nothing for five minutes. And he said he

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met a figure that he believed to be the spirit
of his favorite artist, and the spirit whispered encouragement and
urged Ivan to paint with his heart, not just with
his eyes. And so he began talking about this inex experience.
One more was, well, a couple more. Bethany, she's in
Kansas and she was hiking in the mountains and a

(01:25:38):
rock slide trapped her underneath. So there was a terrible
and it knocked her out and completely unconscious, and there
was someone with her, and Bethany was said that she
was carried by a warm, whispering a wind. And I
didn't quite understand. It's like, what do you mean, she said,
I just that's the way. It was like a wind

(01:26:00):
just kind of lifted me up. And in this field
she was. In this field, she saw creatures and people
from various time periods, and each one shared whispers of wisdom,
and she said, on the breeze, like the tales of
courage and love and resilience. And Bethany felt comforted by

(01:26:22):
the feeling of unity and purpose. Now she doesn't know
any I don't know how long she was out. She
doesn't know how long she is out. Could that have
been I don't know. It could have been near death
experience or not, or just completely knocked out. But that's
a story. Now I did ask doctor Long about, well, Arthur,

(01:26:44):
I'll do one more. Arthur. He's eighty years old. He
was a retired pastor. He's passed away since from Texas
and he collapsed in his home due to heart failure.
And so Arthur said, he came two and he walked
along a path. It was a pure light, and alongside

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him were angels that radiated warmth and even acceptance, and
each one appearing as a familiar parishioner that he had
thought that he had lost, and they offered him glimpse
of their lives that he had touched during the lives
of his service, and each step on this radiant path,
he said, filled them with the knowledge of profound impact
and incomplete work. He was revived by EMTs. His wife

(01:27:31):
said that when he had the heart attack and he
stopped breathing, from the time that happened and the EMTs arrived,
she says he was probably there was probably no activity
about nine minutes, and so he came back. Now, I
asked doctor Long about what about the negative NDEs. Have
there any been in reports of negative ones? And this

(01:27:54):
is what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Sometimes experiences are mixed. In other words, they may encounter
frightening or even hellish realms. Often that's the first part
of the experience, and then the second, typically longer part
of the experience they change over or taken from that
area and have a typical positive, blissful experience. I would
say as far as experiences that have substantial hellish content,

(01:28:18):
probably about two percent one or two percent. First of all,
I want to emphasize that from the best evidence that
we have, we can't conclusively say that the people that
had hellish experience has had that as a consequence of
themselves being anti social or because of their own personal intellectual,
moral failure, any other kind of failure that we know.

(01:28:40):
Seemingly good and upright people can have this as well
as anybody else. So if you have someone who's had
a frightening or hellish near death experience, by no means
does that mean that they have been morally judged by
on high I would have to emphasize that. Now, the
largest study of these frightening experiences with a doctor Barbara Romer,
a physician, I knew well, of coursely she died a

(01:29:01):
few years ago, but she wrote a book called less
than Positive Near Death Experiences was the title of it,
and it was about these frightening experiences. Her conclusion, and
I think it's the best writing on this we have,
was that after people have these frightening or hellish experiences,
they still have at least the same probability of making

(01:29:23):
positive life changes as people that have a pleasant near
death experience. In other words, seemingly paradoxically, they like other
near death experiences, after they have integrated the experience, which
can take years, they tend to not fear death. They've
become less materialistic, more loving, value loving relationships, more interested
in God, et cetera, et cetera, just like other near

(01:29:45):
death experiences.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Very interesting, Now I did talk about I'm going to
tell you mine for those of you who have not
not heard of this before. So I'm going to talk
about that because I think it's important to share mine,
because it was profound. But let me tell you a
couple of scary ones that is a little spooky. But

(01:30:08):
I wanted to share the good and the bad and
the ugly. Okay, so this one was Christine So Christine
was a forty five year old stockbroker and she had
a car accident and it left her clinically dead nine minutes,

(01:30:30):
and her experience was terrifying. She says she found herself
in a dark, oppressive void, filled with distant cries and screaming.
She said she felt the sense of being weighed down
until a hand she said, familiar yet distant, grabbed hers

(01:30:53):
and pulled her towards a shimmering staircase, leading her upwards.
Determined to to the lead a very pie and then
she came to and she determined to lead a positive change.
Christine awoke in the ICU and she completely committed herself
to helping those less fortunate, believing that what she encountered
was a warning to direct her life towards empathy and compassion.

(01:31:17):
And another scary story was Leon. He is a fifty
three year old He was an attorney. He's passed away
since he suffered a heart attack in the middle of
in the middle well, not in the trial, but he
had left, gone to the restroom and he had a
heart attack and in those critical moments, he said he

(01:31:37):
was pulled into a dark chamber. He described echoes of
great regret, cries missed opportunities. He said that the air
was very thick with the weight of decisions made for
power and wealth rather for helping other people. He felt,

(01:32:00):
he felt, He said, he felt the oppression that he
put on others, and as he said, shadowy figures pointed
out paths not taken, and he said he felt the
crushing burden of his choices. So before long a flame,
He said, he saw a flame beckoning him toward understanding

(01:32:22):
and redemption, and Leon was revived. Leon. That was ten
minutes he had. There was nothing, There was no pulse
that someone just trying to take his post. There was
no post for ten minutes, and he recognized the opportunity
he was given to change. He left the law firm,
dedicated his life to championing for people that are wrongly accused,

(01:32:42):
and he has transformed his entire legal knowledge into a
force for good. Now, I'm going to talk a little
bit about since we have a couple more minutes left,
well about twenty more minutes or so, I'm going to
talk about my story and what I experienced, because it
certainly was found for me. And I talked to doctor

(01:33:03):
Long about this, and he said one hundred percent you
had a near death experience. So I had a scope done,
and my mom had passed away in twenty and fourteen.
For those of you who heard this, disindulge me for
a moment, but because many people have not. So she
had passed away in twenty fourteen. This was in twenty

(01:33:23):
and fifteen when I had my scope, and I was
worried about the scope because I had other issues, so
I was kind of concerned about it. The medical doctor,
the doctor was the surgeon was fantastic. He was one
of the best. I mean, he knew his stuff. But
here's what happened. So he said, Okay, we're gonna, you know,

(01:33:44):
count down to ten and you'll just go drift off
to sleep. I said, okay, So I count down to
ten and I was drifted down, and then I was awakened.
I was awakened by a loud, obnoxious noise. It was
behind me, and I could not understand. I couldn't turn

(01:34:05):
around to see what it was. That was kind of strange.
It never dawned on me that I was the patient ever.
As a matter of fact, I looked over to my
left and I could see the doctor, the surgeon the
surgeon was panicked. I mean I could see his eyes
and he was really and he was I don't know
what he was saying, but he was pointing to somebody

(01:34:28):
behind me, I guess. But I couldn't see behind me.
I couldn't turn around. I didn't know why I couldn't
turn around just see what was I just couldn't. But
I wanted to communicate to the doctor to say, dude,
what's going on, Well, how can I help you? I
wanted to help him. It never dawn on me that
I was the one the patient. Never dawn on me.
So there's a loud noise going off behind me that

(01:34:49):
was annoying, and I looked to my left and he
was really panicking. At that moment, as cliche as it sounds,
there was the brightest light that I have saw right
behind him. It was blinding, it was It was a

(01:35:10):
light that was so radiant. And behind him comes a
silhouette of a woman and she's walking. I could clearly
see the silhouette of a woman and she comes into
focus and I looked and originally I thought this was
a she was an angel, beautiful, stunning, And what was

(01:35:33):
stunning is the radiance about her the joy. And again,
people who talk about having near death experiences, the word
joy doesn't even come one percent. It doesn't even describe
one percent of the joy. I can't. There are no
words but the joy, the happiness, the peace. It was radiating.

(01:35:58):
I mean everywhere I thought, man, and I look closer,
and when it seemed like it came into focus, I thought,
that's Mom. That's Mom, and but she looked like she
was in her twenties. Beautiful. I mean, I wish I could.

(01:36:20):
I wish there was a word, because there's not. I
think the only way you could describe it is if
you put joy radiating, bright, warm, happiness, love, compassion, empathy.
You have to put all those words together to make
one word, and even that doesn't come close. It was

(01:36:46):
that type of power. And so I looked at I said,
that is Mom, one hundred percent. And she placed her
right hand on the doctor's shoulder. He then took a breath.
He went saw him. He was like, took a breath,
and he did something I don't know. He said something
I couldn't hear. I couldn't hear him. But it was

(01:37:08):
weird because the noise was still going off. But that
wasn't so annoying when I saw my mom and he
did something and he pointed to the somebody behind me,
and then that noise went off, and then I looked
at her. She smiled, she nodded, she faded away. The

(01:37:29):
only thing that I remember is I came to in
the recovery room and I saw my sister Jennifer, and
I was. I remember this very clearly. I was, I
saw Mom. I saw Mom. I was like, I saw Mom.
And my sister Jennifer said, everybody knows in the entire
hospital that you saw mom because you were screaming it.

(01:37:52):
She said, you were screaming it at the top of
your lungs all the way from the surgery room to
the recovery room. You wouldn't stop screaming it. You were
screaming it. Now, I don't remember that because I was
still unappropobaal so, but I said I saw her. I
saw her. And what was interesting is when it was

(01:38:14):
time for me to leave, the operating nurse that was
in the operating room she came to us. She came
in the room. She said, okay, are you ready to
be wheeled down? Now? I've done enough chaplain seeing the
hospital that I know. The operating room nurse doesn't because
they're they're they're getting ready for the next surgery. They
have a porter, that's what porters are for. And I

(01:38:34):
and I even told her. I said, now, wait a minute,
where's the porter here? And I told her, I said
where the porter said that? She said, well, I'm gonna
take you down. And I thought that was odd. So
we were going in the elevator and I told the
elevator the nurse I said, look, I know I saw
my mom. I saw her and then her exact words say,
is I'm sorry. You'll have to speak to your surgeon
about that incidentt So okay. So I talked to doctor

(01:39:01):
Long about this, doctor Jeffrey Long, who is a world
leading expert, and he said, James, you clinically died. No
offends or butts about it. And here's what I can
prove it. I said, okay, prove it to me. He said,
Number one, there is a zero percent chance of dreaming
and propoval. It doesn't happen. It is easy. It can't happen.

(01:39:22):
You don't go into rem which is rapid eye movement.
So anybody who says it's a chance it cannot. I'm
telling you as a medical doctor, I am a scientist,
it can't happen. And he said, and also the fact
that you were screaming, that you saw your mother NonStop
from their operating room to the recovery room. You couldn't
e faked that because you were still under propoval. You

(01:39:45):
are still under anesthesia. So he said that those two
elements alone proves to me, without question, you had and
you clinically died. And then he said something that I
had never thought about before. He said, and do you
realize that my mom was in the she worked in
the medical field. And she said, do you realize He said,

(01:40:06):
do you realize that when your mom placed her hand
on the doctor's shoulders, she works in the medical fild,
She worked in the medical field. She was guiding him,
she was helping him. And when he said that, I
just never connected those thoughts. I thought, wow, that may
be silent for a little bit. Here's what I know

(01:40:27):
for a fact. Look, if if I I know what
a dream is, I mean I think anybody who has
common sense you know what a dream is. Friends, this
was not a dream. And first of all, you can't
dream unappropriate ale, you can't. There's no such thing. So
for those naysayers who are going to say, oh, it's

(01:40:49):
a dream, you can't, that's a medical doctor. That's that
is science, That is fact. Because everybody wants to sayience, science,
science said you there's a zero percent chance you can't
do it. I know what a dream is. I was
one hundred percent alert, more so actually than I am now.

(01:41:12):
I was fully aware, So I know what a dream
is like. This was not a dream. This was a
hundred like I'm sitting here in this chair right now,
I'm telling you it was more real than that. So well, yeah,
I mean again, the fact that I was screaming. I

(01:41:34):
saw my mom non stop from the operating room to
the recovery room, which I don't remember well one hundred percent.
Doctor Long said, there's no way you could have faked
that because you're still on anesthesia. There's no way.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
The surgeon just said that there were issues, but no
one wanted to talk to me about it. I don't
know if because maybe of lawsuits or whatever, but I'm like, dude,
I'm not going to sue anybody. That was a profound
experience for me. Do all NDEA survivor immediately know where
they are. No, I didn't. So when I was in

(01:42:14):
the hospital, Remember, I didn't even know that I was
the patient. I didn't even know that. That never even dawned.
I didn't even know I was in the hospital. All
I know is this surgeon. It never dawned on me
that I was in the hospital. It never dawned on
me that I was the patient. All I know is
this surgeon was freaking out, and I wanted to help him.

(01:42:35):
That's all I wanted to do is say, you know,
how can I help you? But I couldn't communicate to
I could not communicate to it. It was odd. The
only noise that I could hear was that loud, obnoxious noise.
And by the way, that loud, obnoxious noise, that's important.
And I asked doctor long, what was that annoying thing?

(01:42:55):
He said, that was the anesthesiologist machine going off. You died,
So what are you talking about? He said, when you
flat line, it makes a really loud noise to alert
the doctors, the surgeons that the patient has flatlined. So
it was just annoying. I couldn't turn around. I couldn't.

(01:43:17):
I don't know why I couldn't turn around to look
at it. That was kind of odd. I couldn't see
my body. It was almost as like I had blinders
on that I could just see outward. I could just
see outward. I couldn't see my body at all. It
was I just all I know. I was looking left

(01:43:37):
this way, and the doctor was standing and I just
I couldn't calm him down. And I was trying to
help him. Dude, freak. You know, go listen to some
John Denver or something.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
I was just trying to help him. But no question,
no if ans or butts about this. I this was
not a dream. This was a profound, profound experience. And
when I saw my mom, look you, if you you

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don't need to worry about you don't need to worry
about if your family is okay, is your family happy,
if they're in heaven. Let me tell you something. If
your family members have one percent, just one percent of
the joy that my mom had, your family is good.

(01:44:40):
I mean, it was profound, it was profound. I'll never
ever ever forget that experience in my entire life. And
my sister Jennifer was there, you know, She's like, oh yeah,
you were screaming it. I wouldn't stop. She said, you
were screaming.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
When I woke up. The only thing did I remember
when I woke up, when I came through from antithesa,
the very first thing that I saw, I saw my sister,
and I said, Jennifer, I saw Mom, and Jennifer's like,
we all know, we all know you did the whole
loss I was. I was screaming it and I wouldn't stop.

(01:45:20):
From all the way from the the operating room to
the recovery room, she heard me. She heard me all
the way down the hallway. That's how loud I was
screaming it. No, I wasn't no, because I was. I
had just come out of anesthesia. So no, it was Yeah,

(01:45:42):
I agree, mister Bruce.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
I wish there was a way. I wish there was
a way that I could show you or use words
to describe the joy that was in my mom's note,
in her face, just everywhere everywhere, if I could the

(01:46:09):
the light was coming from her face. It was just
so bright and happy and peace and joy. Everything about
her was joy. If there was, I just wish there
was a word, but there isn't. There isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
That was a profound experience for me. You know, I've
always I've always believed in life after death. Always this
that experience for me. And I will say this, I
don't know glowing is is not even that's a that's
a glowing amplify at times a billion, Susan when you talk,

(01:46:56):
when you say glowing amplify times a billion. It was
so bright when she first appeared. It was so bright
it was blinding, and my eye I felt like my
eyes had to adjust to the brightness as she came
into focus. And you know, she was radiant. Yeah, and

(01:47:18):
here's what I'm going to say to all of you.
I don't know, I've always believe my mom was in heaven,
and I always have always believed in heaven, always have.
I don't really think, in my opinion, I don't think
this experience was for me. I think this experience was
for you guys, for those of you who are struggling

(01:47:41):
with death, who are worried about death. Yeah, radiating ecstasy,
I mean, And I think that's what I've come to
accept that. I don't think this experience was for me
to have it and it's for it's mine. No, I
think this experience that I had was for you, guys,
those of you who are struggling with death, those of

(01:48:04):
you who are struggling or worrying about your loved ones
being happy and being at peace, You can let that go.
You can let it go, and so hopefully, you know,
my experience bring some of you to peace who are
struggling with this. So anyway, let me just close this out.

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