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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So BBB.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's not Sean O'Connell show. You were home of the
best inside of your utes.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Let's get back to oc from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio
called ESPN seven ms say that I die.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
This be the day that.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Welcome to our number three on the Shaan O'Connell Show.
It's so wrapped up in the college football worlds NFL
football world that it's easy to uh forget. We're a
week away from NHL hockey season begins tomorrow at the
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Delta Center. We've got games coming up in a week.
We've got let's see Utah Mammoth first game of the
season on the road at Colorado, happening Thursday. Whole league.
That little logo, by the way, I love the Utah
Mammoth logo. When it's tiny, reduced down to like the
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scoreboard size at like scrolling down, you need to zoom
in a little bit. I didn't think I didn't even
think of that. It's a little bit, a little bit
too detailed almost to be shrunken down. As far as
ESPN has to shrink it down. You don't think about
these things. I should have thought about that. Anyway, we
welcome our Utah Mammoth insider Adrian Denny between the pipes,
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we go conversation brought to you by our friends at
Angora in the Latin Industries, and uh we get you
ready for Utah Mammoth season that we think, we think
and hope will be a very promising one as we're
deeper into the rebuild and I think kind of out
of rebuild mode hopefully maybe Adrian Denny, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
How are you, hey, Sehan? You know, when you watch
Mammoth games on SEG plus and Mammoth Plus and Utah
sixteen locally here, if you see our brand new score bug,
you'll see the Mammoth logo.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It pushes out. It pushes out of the usual kind
of score bug box where the logos are, so you
can see what we did with Pat. It's bigger than
it'll usually be if it's just foxed into a usual
score but I gets sticking out there, so it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I like that. That's a great way to handle it.
It's such a sick logo and I want people to
fully appreciate it, and that sounds like you've achieved that
with that score bug. So look, I think there's a
lot of positives and optimism and all that stuff as
we head towards this season, the club wanted to get
Coolly extended, and so far no agreement has been reached.
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In fact, the latest headline is that he has rejected
a pretty lucrative offer that the Mammoth extended. What do
you know, What do you think about the conversations happening
between the club and Logan Cooley.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, the good news is he's not a free agent
until June thirtieth, so that there is time right. Connor
McDavid got extended today. Carol Caprisov got extended last week
on the biggest deal and NHL history. McDavid took a
two year kind of hometown discount to stay exactly where
his salary is on this current contract to stay with
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the Oilers. And those were kind of the first two
guys that the NHL has been waiting on from the
free agency group from next summer to get signed. So
you've got that component, You've got the new collective bargaining
agreement that starts on July first next year, and the
salary cap is going up and it's just going to
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keep going further up. So guys that are free agents
going into to next summer. It's it's the wait and see.
I think is kind of expected it to go a
little slower with with this group as a whole, versus
how it did last year, where Dylan Gumpter was was
extended in training camp as he would have been a
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free agent on July first of this year. So yeah,
don't don't know the context obviously, right, we're not in
the in the room, and and but a negotiation to
me is, yeah, there's gonna be offers, there's gonna be counteroffers,
there's gonna be back and forth, right, So that that's
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that's kind of what I take on that. And Logan
is going to be a restricted free agent. Typically there's
not not too much concern on getting restricted free agents
re signed, just just in in general.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
There.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I saw a quote from from the GM and the
ADS just a few minutes ago. He was talking about
one of their pending free agents for next summer, Martin
hus and he basically said, yeah, I've I've talked to
his agent and we've conversations, and I'll leave it at that.
And I'd say that's probably a pretty good, pretty good
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answer for for how things are going there. Chris McFarland,
the GM of the ass talking about Marty Nach is like,
that's kind of how things go, right in the negotiation,
you talk, you go back and worth and ultimately get
a deal. So I think I think that that's that's
what you get. Yeah, maybe maybe if there was an offer,
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but yeah, but when you're in negotiat and negotiation for
for a contract, I think that's that's pretty typical. So
with all those variables, to me, it's not not an
any any kind of surprise.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
So sports fans who are diving into the NHL world
now and maybe haven't been as died in the wall,
right it's hard to put into context like what kind
of money we're talking about with rising star players. I mean,
the top you just references the top NHL contract league
history is like a mid level exception in the NBA
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right now. So it's really strange to think about, you know,
when you're coolly, we're talking, you know, offers approaching you know,
ten million dollar a year sort of an average contract value,
and in the NFL that's like mid level money. In
the NBA, that's like you're into the bench kind of
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guy almost, So like what kind of number makes sense
for you for a Logan Cooley, who we think is
you know, well, we know he's a rising young star.
He's a player with unlimited potential, but he's already reached
some of that potentially. He's already demonstrated that at this
level he can be an extremely impactful player, and it
seems like he's someone that the franchise wants to keep
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around for the long term. What does that look like
from a numbers standpoint, because you have to leave room
for other guys, supporting casts, et cetera, et cetera. Are
we talking, you know, like ten million, get this thing
settled a year or is that too much for someone.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Of his caliber? Yeah, that's interesting. Let's look at the
crew capricesof deal that he just signed, the biggest deal
in NHL history, seventeen million. The report was he turned
down sixteen ish million, And as I looked at that
number that they had for Cooley, I thought, you know,
that's kind of in the neighborhood for for what I
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expected for players like Logan that are coming up as
free agents for July first, we've seen a couple that
have gets gotten signed that have been a little below
that from players that I think are Hudson from Montreal
going up to Lass and so so when it came
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out that the Capri saw sixteen million dollars plus deal
was rejected, well that they came back and they signed
it at something pretty close, right. So, So, as I said,
in a negotiation, I think you're usually you're usually pretty
close in most cases. There's been some instances at the
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Anaheim Ducks with some of their restricted free agents, have
had some initial reports of numbers that weren't necessarily in
the ballpark where they ended up signing with. But I
think I think for the most part, when when you've
got your financial guys and you're presenting an offer to
to an agent that you're you're usually pretty close to
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where you're ultimately gonna end up.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
The Connor McDavid deal, since we're talking contracts, you know,
he it never felt like he was super interested in
going somewhere else. But this is a team that has
to demonstrate that while he and dry Sidle are in
the building, that they're ready to, you know, make the
necessary adjustments to actually get a cup. And it's a
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two year extension, so uh, giving them a hometown discount
is this signaling something beyond like, hey, this is your
last two years. How should we interpret this this deal
that he did with you know, his hometown franchise.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think it looks really good for Connor McDavid for
what he just did. Because Leon Dryside, though, is on
a on a max deal and got more money when
when he resigned last summer and David taking the exact
same deal. There's there's not term involved, right, it's just
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a two year deal, so it's it's not a major commitment,
but I I think it's I think it really makes
him look like a nice guy here just getting it
done before the season starts, right, So that's not gonna
be that. That's been the story in Canada all summer,
and things are different in Edmondson, in Toronto at Vancouver
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in terms of the media in terms of stories and badgering,
and it's it's I don't think I don't think folks
would would believe it what it's like, what it's like
up there, But I don't think it would compare to
anything that we have in the US in terms of
you know, media scrutiny and just everywhere you go something
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something to story is would have been with McDavid not
being signed, coming up on a on a contract expiring
next summer. So I think I think it makes it
look like a really nice guy that he took this
deal to just stay at where he is to get
it done before the season is and I think it
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really eliminates a lot of distraction and it and it
keeps the wait and see. Okay, what's Edmonston going to
be able to do? Right? They're totally strapped by by
the salary cap. For instance, they're three goalies that they
have a contract make like six six and a half
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million total dollars, so right, because they're they're they've got
dry side on McDavid. They made a lot of other big,
long term kind of signings, good or bad, that have
kind of kind of strapped them. But I think McDavid
doing this gives Edmondson a couple of years in this
in this window to stay as flexible as possible to
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win a Cup, which is what he says that he
wants to do, and that's why he wants to be there,
all right.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Swinging things back to the Utah Mammoth, what did what
did we learn in the preseason that we didn't know already,
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I think you just look at little things like for me,
it's okay, how is this team going to get eight
to ten more standings points next year so they can
make the playoffs? Right, That's that's the biggest thing, Right,
You're gonna make the playoffs, and how are you going.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
To do that?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So you go out the acquisitions over the summer, Brandon
tannev Day Schmidt, JJ, Peterca bring in a really solid
backup in v Tech Mantacheck. But I saw on the
ice the team as a whole, like doing some additional
things to win games. For instance, the penalty kill was
really good during the preseason and Dylan Dunther was playing
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on the penalty kill. You don't always see your best
players on the penalty kill because they're playing so much
five on five, so much on the power play, and
so when you when you put a player out there
like Gunther, and it was unexpected for me, but we
saw it, and I like when you have your best
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player players and how you can manage it from a
time on ice standpoint, on the penalty kill, because it's
it if you can shave down a goal every five
or ten or fifteen games that you're not allowing. Ultimately,
that's going to add up into another other game that
you're able to win forced the overtime, et cetera. Right
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just during the course of year, and incrementally, those those
points are going to pile up one or two at
a time. I thought the power play looked really good too,
and that's another thing, yet another power play goal. You touch.
Power play was pretty good last year, top half of
the league, but you go again, you're adding another power
play goal every five to had fifteen games that that's
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going to kind of help you get pushed over the top.
And I think we saw how Tanef can can help.
We saw him score a breakaway goal, these nicknames Turbo.
We saw Turbo time for the first time at Dolla
Center on Saturday with him just kind of making a
play off of the face off. So I think you
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had Turca put some pucks in the net. I think
we just saw a lot of little incremental things in
addition to the guys that were added that are just
add a goal here or take away a goal against.
So that that I think you're going to over the
course of twenty twenty five e two games show how
they're going to pick up more standings points than last
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year to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Are we going to get any major surprises with how
you know, final roster, how the kind of call up
sending down adjustments are made as this season progresses.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I think the biggest thing today OC is going to
be three o'clock and the question. The biggest question is
going to be who's going to start this season injured?
Right that that is going to have an additional roster
spot open. For instance, Al Kurfo didn't play in the preseason.
We didn't see Barrett Hayton for the final couple games.
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We didn't see Liam O'Brien for the final couple games.
So are those guys in a spot where they're going
to start the year injured or is it going to
be like Logan Cooley didn't play on Saturday, hasn't played
since the second preseason game a couple of weeks ago,
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but he's going to be ready to go on Thursday night.
So we didn't get updates on Hayten on Kerfoot, I
don't O'Brien. So that's that's going to be the biggest
thing at three o'clock today is are they going to
be on the roster. Are they going to be on
injured reserve? And with that being the case, then does
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that keep an opening his parts the season for Daniel Boot,
guys like Dmitri Simmyshev, Andre Agasino, kyler Yavamono. Or do
you want to stick with the plan if you had
it and that is to start Simmaschev and Boot in
the American Hockey League in Tucson to get the year going.
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Does that does that change anything? I think we saw
great camps from both of those two guys that the
question is to you you want them in the AHL
to start the year playing every situation. Big minutes are
up here, where as we saw on Thursday night up
to one third periods and your Boot didn't play for
the final four or five minutes the game because we're
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out there with with our experienced players who are more
in tune for those situations six on five of an
extra attacker for the other team, no goal. We write,
You've got your group that you're gonna be with right
there in those in those spots.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Where do you stand on that? Would you rather see
a guy if you're trying to develop somebody for the
long term, But maybe that's not even the right way
to look at it. Maybe you need some contribution from
Simashevan boot in a short term, But are limited NHL
minutes as how do they compare when it comes to
value limited NHL minutes with extensive AHL minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
My preference. And I think that this is because I'm
entering year number five of the Bill Armstrong doctrine is
you can't bake for long enough in the AHL, and
I have felt since it started training camp. Okay, looking
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at this roster, looking at how Bills operated, those guys
probably do start in the American Hockey League. So I
saw it with Dylan got the first half of the
season two years ago, started in the AHL. It shocked him.
He was disappointed. But by the time we got him
in January and he got called up because the player
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got suspended for three games, and you know, it was
probably just gonna be for a week or two, and
he went up there and he was up there for
the rest of the year. Was one of their best players.
And we saw what he did last year in his
first roll NHL season, So I think I think that's
probably the best example of the star. You know, it
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shocked him to get not make the team out of
camp two years ago. But I think it was really
good for him to go go play down there and
the top minutes every night in every situation and versus
you know, up here we're trying to win. We're not.
We're no longer in the business of developing prospects in
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the National Hockey League. Ause you said, the rebuild is
is over and every night it's what can we do
to win? Not Oh well, that was a good, good
lesson that Simyschev just learned in the in the third period, say,
for instance, if he turns a puck over and it
results in the three two loss, but the col scort
with eighty seconds left. Right, however, oc, I'll tell you
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Amachev looks like an NHL defenseman during camp, so in
that in that sense, I would say that he probably
exceeded what we expected to see from him. And the
nail Boot had a really nice camp as well. Scored
a couple of goals, and it's a really nice plays.
He's so big, he's six foot five. It's just something
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that you don't come across every day. You just have
a lot of that on any given roster. So those
are two things that from camp might have tilted things
back in a different direction, whereas, Okay, those guys are
ready for the NHL. Now, there's no doubt we're gonna
not have to send them back to the AHL. It's
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the NHL. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Between the pipes with Adrian Denny for a couple more
minutes here on the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you
by a Latin industry is Valley Plumbing. So as we
talked about Thursday, first game of the season or this
Utah Mammoth team, it'll be on the road. Your first
three games are going to be on the road. What
do you expect against the Colorado Avalanche.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I don't think it's one thing that concerns me about
the game on Thursday, just getting started right out of
the gates. Is the ads play tomorrow night against the
La Kings, So they're gonna have that first game out
of the way, and Utah is going to be going
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into their first game against Colorado playoff team in my opinion,
probably favored to win the division. So you're gonna have
to come out on your toes. You're like, you can't
fall behind, well nothing to nothing, or it's gonna be
it's gonna be over just with Colorado playing that first
game against the playoff team tomorrow, Knight. So that's that's
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what I think big game, But it's it's gonna be
something where you're you're going straight into the fire on
Thursday night. You're not. It's not like you're playing a
team like we did last year with the Chicago Blackhawks
first game of the year, an ultimate last place team
and you're both playing your your first game of the
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season at the same time, where he didn't come out
and maybe get away with some first game mistakes or
not quite being in sync for NHL regular season hockey,
what do you need.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
To see out of the first three for this Utah team,
like two and one? Are you okay, should we start
hitting panic? But no, we don't do that because obviously
it's going to be a long season. But you know,
you want to get off on the right foot, and
maybe that's tough on the road against this AVS team,
but you know in these first three that are road
games before you get back to the Delta Center next
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week and a newly remodeled Delta Center, most of us
will have our eyes on that for the first time.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
What do you need to be.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
You know, what's your record need to be after the
first three.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I think you'd like to take four or six points
to win two out of three. You go to Colorado,
you go to Nashville, who was the lottery team last year,
very disappointing year for them. They think they're going to
be better than you go to Chicago, who is the
last place team last year. They're gonna be a little better.
So I think it's it's a it's a trip where
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Utah can get off your good start last year. It's
like that first game at Delta Center against Chicago, won
it five to two, and then went on the road
played the Rangers. Before that the Islanders Devil's DUTs went
to one and one. I like being on the road
early in the season because it's to me, it's an
extension of training camp. You're you're you're staying together, you're
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all focused on hockey. Kind of stay in that in
that routine, playing every other every other day. I think
that's good for a team early in the season. So
I think they can do what they did last year.
I think they can take two out of three. They
steak one out in Colorado, Nashville's probably you know it was.
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It was a team Utah struggled against last year, even
though the Pressors did have a bad year. But I think,
I think what the roster Utah has going into the season,
and how excited they are and how good of a
team they are. I think even if they don't win
in Colorado on Thursday night, or they take a point
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for an overtime loss or shoot all lossy, they can
still come back with four to six, And I'd say
four of six is is the goals.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Just to be.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Strong out of the gates. You're not playing catch up,
just like that. As you come home and you've got
a four game homestand against Calgary you didn't make the
playoffs last year. Against Santase, he didn't make the playoffs
last year. Against Boss and he didn't make the playoffs
last year. So those are your first three home games.
I think you can get off to a really, really
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good start in the road trip can be the first
first part of that.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Before I let you go, how should how should we
interpret this fun fact? I've been I've been looking it
up for the first two weeks of the NHL regular season,
which of course is coming up. Uh, the only the
only teams, the only arena is you can get into,
or excuse me, the only arena is more expensive to
get into. Then the Delta Center is going to be.
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For the Mammoth home games are in Canada, where, of
course hockey is life. There's no United States domestic ticket
that is more expensive to get into than the Delta
Center for the Utah Mammoth. How should we interpret that.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I'm an economics minor OC proudly from the University of
Utah with my degree in mass communications, and I'm going
to say, supply and demand. Number one, there is just
over twelve thousand seats in Delta Center where you can
see both goals. Right there's obstructive use seats, one goal
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of view seats that are available. But I'm saying, because
you've got a smaller, smaller arena, can cure creation right
now that we're ultimately going to have when we're over
seventeen thousand. That's number one. But number two Utah starving
to watch hockey and the dollar values for the tickets
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last year. I know because I paid for this several times.
It did not go down throughout the course of the year.
It wasn't just like the Chicago It was crazy. And
then when you got into November, December, January, the ticket
prices went down on seat geeks, they stayed steady and
I think went up in a lot of cases. So
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we've got a starving market that it's going to contend
to be in a playoff spot. And we also have
probably what seventy percent of what our ultimate capacity is
going to be for full view seats.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I think it means we're hungry for hockey, like you said,
and we get it starting tomorrow. Utah Mammoth not until Thursday,
but we're right there. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, my pleasure man. It's always great to talk to you.
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
It's always good to be back. Adrian Danny between the pipes.
Brought to you by Aladdin Industries and our friends over
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So BBB.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's not Sean O'Connell show. You were home of the
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Let's get back to oc from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This be the day that.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Welcome to our number three on the Shaan O'Connell Show.
It's so wrapped up in the college football worlds NFL
football world that it's easy to uh forget. We're a
week away from NHL hockey season begins tomorrow at the
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Delta Center. We've got games coming up in a week.
We've got let's see Utah Mammoth first game of the
season on the road at Colorado, happening Thursday. Whole league.
That little logo, by the way, I love the Utah
Mammoth logo. When it's tiny, reduced down to like the
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scoreboard size at like scrolling down, you need to zoom
in a little bit. I didn't think I didn't even
think of that. It's a little bit, a little bit
too detailed almost to be shrunken down. As far as
ESPN has to shrink it down. You don't think about
these things. I should have thought about that. Anyway, we
welcome our Utah Mammoth insider Adrian Denny between the pipes,
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we go conversation brought to you by our friends at
Angora in the Latin Industries, and uh we get you
ready for Utah Mammoth season that we think, we think
and hope will be a very promising one as we're
deeper into the rebuild and I think kind of out
of rebuild mode hopefully maybe Adrian Denny, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
How are you, hey, Sehan? You know, when you watch
Mammoth games on SEG plus and Mammoth Plus and Utah
sixteen locally here, if you see our brand new score bug,
you'll see the Mammoth logo.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It pushes out. It pushes out of the usual kind
of score bug box where the logos are, so you
can see what we did with Pat. It's bigger than
it'll usually be if it's just foxed into a usual
score but I gets sticking out there, so it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I like that. That's a great way to handle it.
It's such a sick logo and I want people to
fully appreciate it, and that sounds like you've achieved that
with that score bug. So look, I think there's a
lot of positives and optimism and all that stuff as
we head towards this season, the club wanted to get
Coolly extended, and so far no agreement has been reached.
(02:50):
In fact, the latest headline is that he has rejected
a pretty lucrative offer that the Mammoth extended. What do
you know, What do you think about the conversations happening
between the club and Logan Cooley.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, the good news is he's not a free agent
until June thirtieth, so that there is time right. Connor
McDavid got extended today. Carol Caprisov got extended last week
on the biggest deal and NHL history. McDavid took a
two year kind of hometown discount to stay exactly where
his salary is on this current contract to stay with
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the Oilers. And those were kind of the first two
guys that the NHL has been waiting on from the
free agency group from next summer to get signed. So
you've got that component, You've got the new collective bargaining
agreement that starts on July first next year, and the
salary cap is going up and it's just going to
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keep going further up. So guys that are free agents
going into to next summer. It's it's the wait and see.
I think is kind of expected it to go a
little slower with with this group as a whole, versus
how it did last year, where Dylan Gumpter was was
extended in training camp as he would have been a
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free agent on July first of this year. So yeah,
don't don't know the context obviously, right, we're not in
the in the room, and and but a negotiation to
me is, yeah, there's gonna be offers, there's gonna be counteroffers,
there's gonna be back and forth, right, So that that's
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that's kind of what I take on that. And Logan
is going to be a restricted free agent. Typically there's
not not too much concern on getting restricted free agents
re signed, just just in in general.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
There.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I saw a quote from from the GM and the
ADS just a few minutes ago. He was talking about
one of their pending free agents for next summer, Martin
hus and he basically said, yeah, I've I've talked to
his agent and we've conversations, and I'll leave it at that.
And I'd say that's probably a pretty good, pretty good
(05:06):
answer for for how things are going there. Chris McFarland,
the GM of the ass talking about Marty Nach is like,
that's kind of how things go, right in the negotiation,
you talk, you go back and worth and ultimately get
a deal. So I think I think that that's that's
what you get. Yeah, maybe maybe if there was an offer,
(05:27):
but yeah, but when you're in negotiat and negotiation for
for a contract, I think that's that's pretty typical. So
with all those variables, to me, it's not not an
any any kind of surprise.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
So sports fans who are diving into the NHL world
now and maybe haven't been as died in the wall,
right it's hard to put into context like what kind
of money we're talking about with rising star players. I mean,
the top you just references the top NHL contract league
history is like a mid level exception in the NBA
(06:04):
right now. So it's really strange to think about, you know,
when you're coolly, we're talking, you know, offers approaching you know,
ten million dollar a year sort of an average contract value,
and in the NFL that's like mid level money. In
the NBA, that's like you're into the bench kind of
(06:25):
guy almost, So like what kind of number makes sense
for you for a Logan Cooley, who we think is
you know, well, we know he's a rising young star.
He's a player with unlimited potential, but he's already reached
some of that potentially. He's already demonstrated that at this
level he can be an extremely impactful player, and it
seems like he's someone that the franchise wants to keep
(06:47):
around for the long term. What does that look like
from a numbers standpoint, because you have to leave room
for other guys, supporting casts, et cetera, et cetera. Are
we talking, you know, like ten million, get this thing
settled a year or is that too much for someone.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Of his caliber? Yeah, that's interesting. Let's look at the
crew capricesof deal that he just signed, the biggest deal
in NHL history, seventeen million. The report was he turned
down sixteen ish million, And as I looked at that
number that they had for Cooley, I thought, you know,
that's kind of in the neighborhood for for what I
(07:24):
expected for players like Logan that are coming up as
free agents for July first, we've seen a couple that
have gets gotten signed that have been a little below
that from players that I think are Hudson from Montreal
going up to Lass and so so when it came
(07:50):
out that the Capri saw sixteen million dollars plus deal
was rejected, well that they came back and they signed
it at something pretty close, right. So, So, as I said,
in a negotiation, I think you're usually you're usually pretty
close in most cases. There's been some instances at the
(08:10):
Anaheim Ducks with some of their restricted free agents, have
had some initial reports of numbers that weren't necessarily in
the ballpark where they ended up signing with. But I
think I think for the most part, when when you've
got your financial guys and you're presenting an offer to
to an agent that you're you're usually pretty close to
(08:32):
where you're ultimately gonna end up.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
The Connor McDavid deal, since we're talking contracts, you know,
he it never felt like he was super interested in
going somewhere else. But this is a team that has
to demonstrate that while he and dry Sidle are in
the building, that they're ready to, you know, make the
necessary adjustments to actually get a cup. And it's a
(09:00):
two year extension, so uh, giving them a hometown discount
is this signaling something beyond like, hey, this is your
last two years. How should we interpret this this deal
that he did with you know, his hometown franchise.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think it looks really good for Connor McDavid for
what he just did. Because Leon Dryside, though, is on
a on a max deal and got more money when
when he resigned last summer and David taking the exact
same deal. There's there's not term involved, right, it's just
(09:38):
a two year deal, so it's it's not a major commitment,
but I I think it's I think it really makes
him look like a nice guy here just getting it
done before the season starts, right, So that's not gonna
be that. That's been the story in Canada all summer,
and things are different in Edmondson, in Toronto at Vancouver
(09:58):
in terms of the media in terms of stories and badgering,
and it's it's I don't think I don't think folks
would would believe it what it's like, what it's like
up there, But I don't think it would compare to
anything that we have in the US in terms of
you know, media scrutiny and just everywhere you go something
(10:20):
something to story is would have been with McDavid not
being signed, coming up on a on a contract expiring
next summer. So I think I think it makes it
look like a really nice guy that he took this
deal to just stay at where he is to get
it done before the season is and I think it
(10:41):
really eliminates a lot of distraction and it and it
keeps the wait and see. Okay, what's Edmonston going to
be able to do? Right? They're totally strapped by by
the salary cap. For instance, they're three goalies that they
have a contract make like six six and a half
(11:01):
million total dollars, so right, because they're they're they've got
dry side on McDavid. They made a lot of other big,
long term kind of signings, good or bad, that have
kind of kind of strapped them. But I think McDavid
doing this gives Edmondson a couple of years in this
in this window to stay as flexible as possible to
(11:24):
win a Cup, which is what he says that he
wants to do, and that's why he wants to be there,
all right.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Swinging things back to the Utah Mammoth, what did what
did we learn in the preseason that we didn't know already,
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I think you just look at little things like for me,
it's okay, how is this team going to get eight
to ten more standings points next year so they can
make the playoffs? Right, That's that's the biggest thing, Right,
You're gonna make the playoffs, and how are you going.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
To do that?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So you go out the acquisitions over the summer, Brandon
tannev Day Schmidt, JJ, Peterca bring in a really solid
backup in v Tech Mantacheck. But I saw on the
ice the team as a whole, like doing some additional
things to win games. For instance, the penalty kill was
really good during the preseason and Dylan Dunther was playing
(12:21):
on the penalty kill. You don't always see your best
players on the penalty kill because they're playing so much
five on five, so much on the power play, and
so when you when you put a player out there
like Gunther, and it was unexpected for me, but we
saw it, and I like when you have your best
(12:43):
player players and how you can manage it from a
time on ice standpoint, on the penalty kill, because it's
it if you can shave down a goal every five
or ten or fifteen games that you're not allowing. Ultimately,
that's going to add up into another other game that
you're able to win forced the overtime, et cetera. Right
(13:06):
just during the course of year, and incrementally, those those
points are going to pile up one or two at
a time. I thought the power play looked really good too,
and that's another thing, yet another power play goal. You touch.
Power play was pretty good last year, top half of
the league, but you go again, you're adding another power
play goal every five to had fifteen games that that's
(13:26):
going to kind of help you get pushed over the top.
And I think we saw how Tanef can can help.
We saw him score a breakaway goal, these nicknames Turbo.
We saw Turbo time for the first time at Dolla
Center on Saturday with him just kind of making a
play off of the face off. So I think you
(13:47):
had Turca put some pucks in the net. I think
we just saw a lot of little incremental things in
addition to the guys that were added that are just
add a goal here or take away a goal against.
So that that I think you're going to over the
course of twenty twenty five e two games show how
they're going to pick up more standings points than last
(14:10):
year to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Are we going to get any major surprises with how
you know, final roster, how the kind of call up
sending down adjustments are made as this season progresses.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I think the biggest thing today OC is going to
be three o'clock and the question. The biggest question is
going to be who's going to start this season injured?
Right that that is going to have an additional roster
spot open. For instance, Al Kurfo didn't play in the preseason.
We didn't see Barrett Hayton for the final couple games.
(14:46):
We didn't see Liam O'Brien for the final couple games.
So are those guys in a spot where they're going
to start the year injured or is it going to
be like Logan Cooley didn't play on Saturday, hasn't played
since the second preseason game a couple of weeks ago,
(15:08):
but he's going to be ready to go on Thursday night.
So we didn't get updates on Hayten on Kerfoot, I
don't O'Brien. So that's that's going to be the biggest
thing at three o'clock today is are they going to
be on the roster. Are they going to be on
injured reserve? And with that being the case, then does
(15:31):
that keep an opening his parts the season for Daniel Boot,
guys like Dmitri Simmyshev, Andre Agasino, kyler Yavamono. Or do
you want to stick with the plan if you had
it and that is to start Simmaschev and Boot in
the American Hockey League in Tucson to get the year going.
(15:52):
Does that does that change anything? I think we saw
great camps from both of those two guys that the
question is to you you want them in the AHL
to start the year playing every situation. Big minutes are
up here, where as we saw on Thursday night up
to one third periods and your Boot didn't play for
the final four or five minutes the game because we're
(16:15):
out there with with our experienced players who are more
in tune for those situations six on five of an
extra attacker for the other team, no goal. We write,
You've got your group that you're gonna be with right
there in those in those spots.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Where do you stand on that? Would you rather see
a guy if you're trying to develop somebody for the
long term, But maybe that's not even the right way
to look at it. Maybe you need some contribution from
Simashevan boot in a short term, But are limited NHL
minutes as how do they compare when it comes to
value limited NHL minutes with extensive AHL minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
My preference. And I think that this is because I'm
entering year number five of the Bill Armstrong doctrine is
you can't bake for long enough in the AHL, and
I have felt since it started training camp. Okay, looking
(17:15):
at this roster, looking at how Bills operated, those guys
probably do start in the American Hockey League. So I
saw it with Dylan got the first half of the
season two years ago, started in the AHL. It shocked him.
He was disappointed. But by the time we got him
in January and he got called up because the player
(17:37):
got suspended for three games, and you know, it was
probably just gonna be for a week or two, and
he went up there and he was up there for
the rest of the year. Was one of their best players.
And we saw what he did last year in his
first roll NHL season, So I think I think that's
probably the best example of the star. You know, it
(18:00):
shocked him to get not make the team out of
camp two years ago. But I think it was really
good for him to go go play down there and
the top minutes every night in every situation and versus
you know, up here we're trying to win. We're not.
We're no longer in the business of developing prospects in
(18:21):
the National Hockey League. Ause you said, the rebuild is
is over and every night it's what can we do
to win? Not Oh well, that was a good, good
lesson that Simyschev just learned in the in the third period, say,
for instance, if he turns a puck over and it
results in the three two loss, but the col scort
with eighty seconds left. Right, however, oc, I'll tell you
(18:44):
Amachev looks like an NHL defenseman during camp, so in
that in that sense, I would say that he probably
exceeded what we expected to see from him. And the
nail Boot had a really nice camp as well. Scored
a couple of goals, and it's a really nice plays.
He's so big, he's six foot five. It's just something
(19:07):
that you don't come across every day. You just have
a lot of that on any given roster. So those
are two things that from camp might have tilted things
back in a different direction, whereas, Okay, those guys are
ready for the NHL. Now, there's no doubt we're gonna
not have to send them back to the AHL. It's
(19:28):
the NHL. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Between the pipes with Adrian Denny for a couple more
minutes here on the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you
by a Latin industry is Valley Plumbing. So as we
talked about Thursday, first game of the season or this
Utah Mammoth team, it'll be on the road. Your first
three games are going to be on the road. What
do you expect against the Colorado Avalanche.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I don't think it's one thing that concerns me about
the game on Thursday, just getting started right out of
the gates. Is the ads play tomorrow night against the
La Kings, So they're gonna have that first game out
of the way, and Utah is going to be going
(20:17):
into their first game against Colorado playoff team in my opinion,
probably favored to win the division. So you're gonna have
to come out on your toes. You're like, you can't
fall behind, well nothing to nothing, or it's gonna be
it's gonna be over just with Colorado playing that first
game against the playoff team tomorrow, Knight. So that's that's
(20:37):
what I think big game, But it's it's gonna be
something where you're you're going straight into the fire on
Thursday night. You're not. It's not like you're playing a
team like we did last year with the Chicago Blackhawks
first game of the year, an ultimate last place team
and you're both playing your your first game of the
(20:59):
season at the same time, where he didn't come out
and maybe get away with some first game mistakes or
not quite being in sync for NHL regular season hockey,
what do you need.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
To see out of the first three for this Utah team,
like two and one? Are you okay, should we start
hitting panic? But no, we don't do that because obviously
it's going to be a long season. But you know,
you want to get off on the right foot, and
maybe that's tough on the road against this AVS team,
but you know in these first three that are road
games before you get back to the Delta Center next
(21:36):
week and a newly remodeled Delta Center, most of us
will have our eyes on that for the first time.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
What do you need to be.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
You know, what's your record need to be after the
first three.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I think you'd like to take four or six points
to win two out of three. You go to Colorado,
you go to Nashville, who was the lottery team last year,
very disappointing year for them. They think they're going to
be better than you go to Chicago, who is the
last place team last year. They're gonna be a little better.
So I think it's it's a it's a trip where
(22:07):
Utah can get off your good start last year. It's
like that first game at Delta Center against Chicago, won
it five to two, and then went on the road
played the Rangers. Before that the Islanders Devil's DUTs went
to one and one. I like being on the road
early in the season because it's to me, it's an
extension of training camp. You're you're you're staying together, you're
(22:29):
all focused on hockey. Kind of stay in that in
that routine, playing every other every other day. I think
that's good for a team early in the season. So
I think they can do what they did last year.
I think they can take two out of three. They
steak one out in Colorado, Nashville's probably you know it was.
(22:53):
It was a team Utah struggled against last year, even
though the Pressors did have a bad year. But I think,
I think what the roster Utah has going into the season,
and how excited they are and how good of a
team they are. I think even if they don't win
in Colorado on Thursday night, or they take a point
(23:14):
for an overtime loss or shoot all lossy, they can
still come back with four to six, And I'd say
four of six is is the goals.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Just to be.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Strong out of the gates. You're not playing catch up,
just like that. As you come home and you've got
a four game homestand against Calgary you didn't make the
playoffs last year. Against Santase, he didn't make the playoffs
last year. Against Boss and he didn't make the playoffs
last year. So those are your first three home games.
I think you can get off to a really, really
(23:43):
good start in the road trip can be the first
first part of that.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Before I let you go, how should how should we
interpret this fun fact? I've been I've been looking it
up for the first two weeks of the NHL regular season,
which of course is coming up. Uh, the only the
only teams, the only arena is you can get into,
or excuse me, the only arena is more expensive to
get into. Then the Delta Center is going to be.
(24:10):
For the Mammoth home games are in Canada, where, of
course hockey is life. There's no United States domestic ticket
that is more expensive to get into than the Delta
Center for the Utah Mammoth. How should we interpret that.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I'm an economics minor OC proudly from the University of
Utah with my degree in mass communications, and I'm going
to say, supply and demand. Number one, there is just
over twelve thousand seats in Delta Center where you can
see both goals. Right there's obstructive use seats, one goal
(24:49):
of view seats that are available. But I'm saying, because
you've got a smaller, smaller arena, can cure creation right
now that we're ultimately going to have when we're over
seventeen thousand. That's number one. But number two Utah starving
to watch hockey and the dollar values for the tickets
(25:13):
last year. I know because I paid for this several times.
It did not go down throughout the course of the year.
It wasn't just like the Chicago It was crazy. And
then when you got into November, December, January, the ticket
prices went down on seat geeks, they stayed steady and
I think went up in a lot of cases. So
(25:34):
we've got a starving market that it's going to contend
to be in a playoff spot. And we also have
probably what seventy percent of what our ultimate capacity is
going to be for full view seats.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I think it means we're hungry for hockey, like you said,
and we get it starting tomorrow. Utah Mammoth not until Thursday,
but we're right there. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, my pleasure man. It's always great to talk to you.
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
It's always good to be back. Adrian Danny between the pipes.
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