The Voice of the Utah Jazz on their Summer League performance, Frank Layden's passing, What will Will Hardy's approach be this year + more
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You were listening to the Sean o'connall Show from the
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to one half.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
M Big Game Utah Sports BYU starting Football Football Camp,
Utah starting Fall Football Camp.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We kind of really round into the true offseason of
the NBA as a personnel, pretty much said, although Jonathan
Kaminga is still making some headlines.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Craig Bowler jacket's been a minute.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We're glad to catch up with Bowler here on the
Sean O'Connell show.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Welller, how are you, sir? It's been a minute.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, oh see, I'm doing good. Just kind of waiting
for Jazz Camp to open. I'm excited about college. We're
excited about the NFL.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Hall of Fame games.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So we're making that slight turn right into football. And
of course the NBA follows along with hockey now.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
In the city.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So hey, it's you know, enjoy the summer, but it's
almost August.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
It's hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I know, summer is about over, man, especially with kids
going back to school.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
They go back to school in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, I swear when I was young, the first day
of school was never until like Labor Day weekend, and
now we're August fifteenth or something.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Crazy.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You know what I hated because we did the same
thing at and in college, but they brought us back
for a week and then they say go away for
a week right for Labor Day. I go, man, I
don't want to start this up twice, but you know
it kind of turned out that way. It's crazy, but no,
it's a fun Hey, it's a fun time, you know,
football especially, and then we'll get into the NBA later,
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but you know, nothing like having camps open. And like
I said, the NFL is just around the corner with
the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Before we get into any of that, before we look forward,
let's look back at Summer League, and you know, we
we haven't really recapped, at least the two of us together.
What you know, you Jazz produced the Summer League MVP.
You got some good reps out of young guys out
of the sophomore class, especially if that's the right way
to say it. Just your thoughts on on Summer League
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relative to expectations, what you saw from the Jazz talent.
I know we all would have liked to have seen
a little bit more from Ace.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But what'd you think.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, first you got to go with Philipowski, right, I
mean that's quite an honor to be able to win
the Las Vegas Summer League MVP Awards. So that put
a lot of eyes on him. O see, I think
obviously builds confidence too, and we'll see how that translates
in his sophomore season. I've got some high hopes for him.
I mean he could be a great you know, steal
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at the thirty two spot early second round, you know,
back in twenty four. So you know, I think the
Jazz are anxious to.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
See how he plays.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Obviously you saw a lot of Isaiah Collier. Still needs
to maybe just gear down, you know, from from six
to fifth, you know, driving the Lamborghini. I mean the
guy is absolutely you know, a machine on the floor.
But he has the added to that the Jazz need.
What Will Hardy spoke so much of last year, you know,
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some dog mentality, some toughness. There were a couple of times,
you know, got some altercations, nothing crazy, but you know,
you have to fight in this league to gain that
type of respect, especially if you run the show at
the point.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So I like that.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I'm anxious to see Taylor Hendricks back. You know, his
body looks good. It was a wicked injury three games
in last year. O see, and I think this will
be obviously, you know, a tell a telltale sign of
just you know, how far he's come and what kind
of strength that he's gained and what kind of player
he's going to be. There's a lot of young talent,
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but a lot of unknowns. You know, they haven't been
picked to win more than eighteen and a half to
nineteen games. But you know what I'm all about surprises. Look,
you got to I guess you got to protect the
eighth the eighth pick, right, the one that's protected from OKAC.
But I think what Austin Inge wants to do is
just go play. The vets are gone. I guess the
other key to the summer too, by the way, is
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that the vets are gone and basically the minutes are
going to be used by a bunch of nineteen and
twenty year old's minus lowry marketing. Right, So the front
line looks strong. Backcourt seems intriguing. Is there a room
enough for everybody? Most likely not, So it should be
an interesting camp.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
You know, will Hardy better than I do.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I wonder if you know, like you said, the veterans
are gone and there's not going to be this tomfoolery
of well, hey, there's an injury here, so he's sitting
and you know, you do like you get to go
play and you probably have to lean all the way
in on player development because you know you're not gonna
win a ton of games. But is it in some ways,
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even though you have less talent, less veteran talent at
least on the team this year, is that a more
wrecked or easier coaching job? Do you think for Will
Hardy because there's none of that manipulation. It's just let's
go out and see what we can do with the
bodies available to us.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Look, oh see from my chair, I would say, yes,
he may have a different answer, but I'm telling you,
I would think that he's got to be excited coming
from the Popovich coaching tree, you know, spending what eleven
years in San Antonio.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I mean that's what you do.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You go coach and you want to see growth, and
he saw some with the last couple of classes. But
now the green light's on Austin Age has given him
the ability to be the coach he wants to be,
and that is the coach and to develop, and he
always says, he says it to us every year and
our meetings is that, look, this is not an easy
league and it's hellish at times. And you know what,
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only the strong survive with talent. And that's what the
Jazz are going through right.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Now with this new draft class.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And we don't know much about Ace, as you said,
because of the injury. And Walter Clayton Junior same, even
though there's excitement around him as well.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I mean he's four.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Your guy won a national championship, you know, hit big
shot and also play some d so that that kind
of elevates the excitement level too. But I think what
the Jazz finally realizes that, look, they got to find
one hundred grand for saying that marketing was you know,
a stil nurse in a sore knee or a hamstring
or a lower back, and we had to you know,
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the Jazz had to kind of formulate a plan on
who was going to play every night right this year,
you just whoever earns minutes is playing, and that may
decide obviously who stays and who goes contracts. You know
they're going to extend Walker Kestero. See that's the other thing.
They've gotten till October to do that. But that'll be
an intriguing moment if the Jazz decided to go there.
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So I think what they do this year, if if
they win, it's a great thing in many ways because
they see development.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
But I don't think.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Anyone expects the Jazz to take the Western Conference by storm.
But yet I think they'll see the same steps that
Oklahoma City did and Houston and Orlando is to make
those steps, you know, one year, one season at a time,
but hopefully you know, doesn't take that much time, if
you know what I mean. So you've got a couple
of vets, Nurkics being one of them, and Lowry market
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and being yet another, and you know, how does it
work out? You know, what are the minutes? And how
does that second unit work too? Those are all things
I think Will Hardy is excited to formulate and put
into his into his own game plan about these young
guys and watch them grow and watch them learn but
also earn the minutes. And I think that's going to
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be the biggest key to watch who actually impresses, who
actually plays the best to be on the floor of
the most minutes and who closes out games. That sometimes
is excuse me as the biggest key of all on
who the Jazz has their their site set on this
future run and the core of this franchise.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Greg Bowler Jack our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
shotalk in Utah Jazz in Summer League in this NBA
off season. For now, maybe we'll touch on some football
before the conversation is over. Uh, We've we've seen some
movement in this offseason. You've touched on some of it.
Is you know outside of Salt Lake City? Is there
a move or a new addition to any one of
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these teams that really has you intrigued to, you know,
maybe keep an eye on an outside market.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Uh, you know there's a few. This wasn't the biggest
off season free agent market, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
OC.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I'm still waiting to see where Cominga goes. Uh what
is what is Lebron gonna do?
Speaker 5 (08:44):
You know?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I mean he's kind of holding his hat on this
quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I mean, do they want to move him? I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Let's what I don't know what your thoughts are, but
it just seems odd you know that there's still this
as we hit August in a couple of days, that
you know that Lebron's obviously a headliner of you know,
deciding if he's going to take his son, Bronni and
that's part of a deal or not. I think some
teams help themselves. Other teams kind of stayed flat. They
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made some moves. Oklahoma City still seems to me to
be the team that's going to come back in with
a Swaggert hard to go back and win back to
back titles. The Jazz got there twice, but couldn't you know,
win ninety seven or ninety eight, But just to get
there is a tough task by itself.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Who stays healthy?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Those are all questions I always ask, you know, when
the season starts, and then who makes you know, those
big trade deadline moves prior to the All Star break
will be another big storyline as we as we move on.
So yeah, I think the league is still pretty stable
from where it was. I'm anxious to see if Lebron
gets moved. And obviously Luca's body has been a big
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story about him slimming down you know, big issue in Dallas.
They weren't gonna pay him or bought into his his lifestyle.
But we'll see at the California diet is gonna is
gonna stay with Luca or not?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Are you are you buying or selling that bowler? Do
you think that this is like? Ah, we saw this
with in his can? Do you remember what in his
cant did this and we were just like, oh wow,
turning over a new leaf didn't didn't end up being
fully sustainable.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Do we think it will be for Luca?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
No? I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I just think he is who he is. You know,
he grew up. You know he likes beer. Okay, beer's
come with calories. You know, does he burn a lot
off burn a game? You know, he kind of plays
at his own, his own pace, right, But it'll be
interesting to see if he likes what he sees.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Oh see, you.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Know he may look in the mirror and go, hmm,
I've never seen this type of body before. Cannor liked it.
I remember he did a couple of flexes and stuff.
When he came back. We go, WHOA, what.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Happened to you?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
But you know it all comes and goes right, It's
hard to sustain during the course of eighty two six
seven months, eating, you know, drinking on the road, whatever
particular beverage you like, and we know what beverage he likes.
But hey, if he can it should help his game.
And maybe you know, the shredded pounds actually keeps him
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on the floor and healthier. That's the biggest key I
think the Lakers want to see as the investment is
so high. Can he stay away from the ankle problem?
Can he stay away from the calf strains? Can he
stay away from the hamstrings? And so maybe the the
you know, the the weight that he lost will play
played dividends for them in him.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
What do you think the the Jazz fan relationship with
with college basketball is going to be this year, not
not just like watching our utes and watching the Kougs,
although there's a strong crossover here, but you know there
was there was all the one eye on man, we're
tanking so we can get Koop. Let's at least watch
the Cooper flag highlights. Let's let's watch Let's watch the
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Ace Baileyes of the world. Let's see if this VJ
Edgecombe guy might end up in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So let's pay some more attention to this.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean, are more people going to be paying attention
to BYU basketball in Salt Lake City because there's hope
that aj Debonsa ends up going to the Utah Jazz. Eventually,
there's a lot of chagrin and people felt jaded by
the way that that lottery worked out.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Do we fall for it again?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Oh? Oh see? Man, we could talk for hours on that.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think with Austin Age, even though he said we're
not going to play that game any longer, it may
happen on its own. And if you know what I mean,
it's not like, you know, putting the chess pieces out
there and moving one veteran one night to play one
and then rest him for five. The John Collins and
the Collins sections and the and the Jordan Clarksons are gone.
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Great guys by the way, I'll miss him because of
just their personalities. And they still got a lot in
the tank. You know, JC Lands in New York. What
a guy's going to be a fashion icon more than
he ever was in Salt Lake walking into Madison Square Garden.
But I think that the youth of this team may
dictate obviously, wins and losses and where the Jazz land
in the lottery, it won't be as publicized. It may
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just happen, just morphing itself into minutes played by a
bunch of eighteen, nineteen and twenty year olds. And so
maybe that's the plan Austin has, is to let him go.
Let's see what happens, and then you know, down the stretch,
if it's close and you're going to lose that pick
to Okay, see, then maybe things change. But I think
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he's just gonna I think my gut is let him
play and let's see what happens. Last year, the Cooper Flag,
you know, sweepstakes was so interesting to be a part of.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
But I think the.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Jazz and the NBA and the fans, especially Utah, understand
that there's no guarantees. You had the worst record in
the league, seventeen wins, you had you know, less than
fourteen percent chance of getting the number one pick, and
what happens you lose and go five and Dallas, who
had one point eight percent, ends up with the prize
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and you know, a Bailey, Look, let's hope he develops
into something special, but you know it's going to take time.
Dallas shut Cooper down. You know, in Vegas didn't see
much of him. And I think that's the other problem too,
in my opinion in the NBA is there's so much
invested financially with with these players that they're afraid to
play him and because of injury. And you know, I
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know Stockton to Malone.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Would just roll the rise at that, but it is
what it is in today's world.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Oh see, you know how much of the Jazz play
Ace how much? I mean, you got to play him
to get better. And sometimes sports is as you know,
we all know, there's risks that you take to step
on the field or on a court on any given night.
There's no guarantees, but you s got to go play.
And I hope the Jazz opened the door and let
these guys go out and do their thing.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Greg Bowler Jack for a couple more minutes here on
the Sean O'Connell Show, if you'll indulge me, Bowler. College
football season is right around the corner BYU and Utah
opening up camp today and look last year BYU with
a resurgence. Last year a disaster for the University of Utah.
Optimism high for the Utes because of the offseason acquisitions,
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new offensive coordinator, new offensive staff, quarterback. Obviously that appears
to be dynamic. You've seen, like I have all of
the preseason honors for that offensive line, especially. I'm looking
at it from the ute perspective, but also from the
college football fan in the state of Utah perspective. This
to me feels like a year with a little bit
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of the old days of the Mount West.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Potentially. I think BYU is going to survive.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
They're going to survive the absence of Jake red stuff.
I still think they're going to be good this year.
Are you getting the same vibe that both teams could
be really good? Both teams could be in contention for
the Big Twelve, and we could be spoiled on good
football in twenty twenty five in our home state.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, I hope. So.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think it's good for the state, it's good for
college football, it's good for the Big Twelve. Look, Kansas State, Look,
I'm always cheering for them, but you know, we'll see.
I think it's going to be a great a great
conference battle.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
There's some good football, and especially if Utah does have
the resurgence, and yeah, there's with a new offensive coordinator.
I'm very intrigued to see the pace O see of.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
How they play.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
A lot of talk about, you know, getting up and
down the field, a lot more trying to throw the ball,
the run game. At times on a pitch go outside,
hit the edge, and that to me is intriguing.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
And I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Look, Byu was one of the biggest stories in college
football last year. Yeah, Jake's gone, but I still think
that Obviously, that's the centerpiece of any of any team,
is the quarterback. But I think the I think Byu
has enough in the tank left over, and what Kilani
has been able to do to really solidify that team,
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it says a lot. I mean each and every year OC.
As you know Colonie sometimes names gets popped up in
the last three or four years, like maybe.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
He's not the right guy. Well, look he is.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And he always has been. But you know, Dyu now
has what is called nil money, right, and oh how
does that change things?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
That change things in basketball? Right?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And you know Utah is trying to stay paced with that,
and I think it just makes for intriguing conversation and competition.
You know, the nil when you were playing OC, I
mean come on. I mean I just thought a scholarship
was quite an honor.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Right, that's winning a lottery back then. I mean, if
you're a scholarship, yeah, it's the best thing in the world.
And now these kids are you know, these kids are
trying to be millionaires before they leave school.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, they don't understand the fact that the free education
with housing and you know, basically a buffet of food
every time they want more.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And look, it's a great debate.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I'm old school, and I think you should still appreciate
what a university can give you, and that's an education. Football,
as we all know, doesn't last a lifetime. And you know,
everyone has dreams to take it to the next level.
But they're almost at that level in college plus the
scholarship plus nil money and you know the NC double
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A you remember used to chase teams. I'll say a
quick story. I may have told you this one before,
but when I was on air at KSL doing sports
Beat Sunday, I had the Heisman Trophy winner on ty Denmer,
great guy, and I gave him a sports Beat Sunday
hat okay, And I got a call the next day
that he was going to have to return that because
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it could be an nc double A violation. Isn't that crazy?
I mean, in the world today it was a four
ninety five cap and you know what I mean, it's like,
hey man, we always give a guest. Hey man, hey ty,
here you go. We're that proud on campus for right on. Yeah, okay, cool.
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And they said, yeah, a little worried the NCAA may
look at that as some sort of a gift. Oh my,
but now it doesn't even Isn't that crazy considering today
and the fact that the NCAA doesn't chase anybody really
because it's so out in the open. And some people
say that's a good thing because it was happening anyway,
but for the elite players, mind you. But now you know,
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there's a little chunk of change for a lot of
a lot of players out there, and I don't know
where it goes, you know, I don't know if there's
a ceiling or they're going to try to you know,
bumper pads on this thing and just try to keep it,
you know, at least put some common sense on it.
But if not, some schools may not be able to
stay stay with it, right, I mean, well, can Weaver
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State compete. It's hard to say Utah State broncos there,
but still is that enough? But money does talk, and
those those those alums with big checkbooks, and I've witnessed
it at Texas and especially in the SEC when other
cbs oc my gosh, there is there is There is
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money out there, and alums are willing to pay if
they win. That's a big thing. If you win and
put a program on the field that's gonna you know,
do damage, then they're all behind you. But once it
kind of you know, tails off, the checkbooks closed and
you have to kind of regroup. But boy, there's a
lot of money involved right now.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
So much so there's been this kind of weird undercurrent
for the last couple of seasons really about whether or
not Kyle Whittingham is on his last year. And yeah,
we asked him this offseason, uh, you know, why was
why'd you decide to come back?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
And he didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
He didn't say it out right, but he did kind
of allude to, Look, you can't walk away on a
note like last year, like I can't.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
You know, a lot of people I've talked to think
this is it.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
A lot of people said that two years ago as well,
So take everything with a grain of salt. But I
mean he is one of the best coaches in all
of college football. He's the second longest tenured guy in
all of college football. If this is the final go
for Kyle Whittingham, what does that mean for Utah football?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, I don't think he's gonna mention it, which is
a good thing. There will be some people behind the
scenes that pretty much have an indicator that it is.
But you bring up a great point. He's had a
hell of a run and he's been to two Rose Bulls.
He's had a chance to win both sadly didn't come
out that way. But you know the big win, what
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was it eight you were part of?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Four was the year I was there?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeh yeah, four. I mean there's been some incredible wins.
There's been moments that Utah has just been on top
of the colin football you know pile and last year
was a huge disappointment.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I don't think I'd want to walk out with that
type of scenario and the way things went down. So
why not give it another run with better and you know,
a strong recruiting class, a very high level offensive line
and as you mentioned, a new way of doing things
that Utah offensively. That's intriguing. We know what they are defensively,
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but I'm anxious to see what type of package they
put on the field and how much disruption that causes
for defenses, you know, around the conference. But I think
we're in for a good a good fall, I really do.
I don't see BYU letting up Macha Jake's gone. But
you know, as you know, there's people, there's young players
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waiting to take the next step, and you've got the
right people around you makes.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
You even better.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
So I'm open for good things red and blue. I
think it's only good for the state if it is.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I agree with that, even though people don't like to
hear me say it. On the Home of the youths
right here before I let you go. Circling back to
the Utah Jazz and you know, it's unfortunate that it
takes this long to have some of these conversations. But
Frank Layden. You knew Frank a lot better than I did.
He was an absolute pillar of the community and he's
been laid to rest, and all of us were sad
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to see him go but what a legacy he left.
And I just wanted to give you some space if
you had anything you wanted to tell our listeners about
the late great Frank Layton.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Oh gosh, oh see, wonderful man just left a lunch
and that kind of honored him. Ronnie Mack was there.
Loved to see Mac. Such a great guy and such
a great friend of Frank's. I mean, there were some
tears and some people telling stories, mostly of his you know,
of the comedy nature, but there were several that stoock
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out that I think people should know.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
He was the comedian.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
He was the guy that took a lot of the
pressure in those early days from the jazz, off the
players onto himself. You know, the iconic statement of what
times a game?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Frank? Why time can you be here?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
You know, like I'll start at at five thirty for
you if you want. But you know, Frank was a
funny guy, but he was deep. He cared and I
talked to him multiple times, why you stay in?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
He goes, Why do you stay?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Because I'm a transplant myself, you know, from the Midwest.
I said, you know what it feels like home? I
love Utah? And he goes, there. There you go. He's
Catholic and he goes, you're Baptist Methodist. That's the way
I was raised. And you know we're in a Mormon community.
Why not be here and bring everyone together? And I thought,
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you know, he's on a mission. He wants to make
this city, the state, this region. Just embrace themselves, work
together and try to help the fellow man. I know
that's heavy, but that's who he was.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
He was.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
He did it, oh see, in and ways of comedy,
comedy relief to kind of let everybody loosen up and
then kind of come on the same page with him.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
He was a master of.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Dealing with people up on stage. He could have had
his own show in Vegas in my opinion, like George
Burns and would.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Have brought the house down. That's how That's.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
How funny he was. And one liners were just that
came off of him. You know, give me another one,
give me another one. But all and all in all,
he what was said at the luncheon today is so true.
When he said goodbye, he would say this to you
every time, is there anything I can do for you?
And you know what, he backed it up, you know,
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he backed it up. He always was helping someone with like,
you know, can I help you with your scholarship or
with some financial help.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
With an education.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I watched him do that. West Rough over Channel four
made a great story. I had a great story about
him on the golf course, driving up to a young
man who had like fifty.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Golf balls to sell.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
You've been there where kids around there trying to, you know,
pick up a buck or two for you know, three
three golf balls for two bucks or whatever. And Frank goes,
how many you got?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Got fifty? He goes, I'll take them all.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
And so the kid starts to put him in a bag,
put him in a bag for him, hand him a
fifty dollars bill and says, you know what, keep them,
sell him to somebody else, and then just takes off
with a cigar in his mouth. That's the kind of
guy was, and west made a great point. The young
man who was involved that day with Frank will always
remember that. And I think that's what most of the
people I run into in Salt Lake, oh see, they
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remember Frank and a story that involved them and him.
He was that type of guy and I miss him.
He mentored me when I first came to Salt Lake,
and I've always been thankful for that, just in the
sense of making the transition. And he's one of the
first interviews I ever did. On draft Night eighty five.
His iconic words were bringing a millman to Salt Lake City,
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and that was the first story that I ever covered,
was Carl and Frank and the great jazz fan John
Sudbury over at the old Salt Palace, and those echo
with me still today. I was a young guy and
Frank was just an important cog in the beginning of
my career in Salt Lake and I definitely miss him well.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Thanks for saying all that, Thanks for giving us time today,
look forward to the next one.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Bowler appreciate you anytime.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Pal talks soon.
You were listening to the Sean o'connall Show from the
Murdoch Hunting Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
to one half.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
M Big Game Utah Sports BYU starting Football Football Camp,
Utah starting Fall Football Camp.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We kind of really round into the true offseason of
the NBA as a personnel, pretty much said, although Jonathan
Kaminga is still making some headlines.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Craig Bowler jacket's been a minute.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We're glad to catch up with Bowler here on the
Sean O'Connell show.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Welller, how are you, sir? It's been a minute.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, oh see, I'm doing good. Just kind of waiting
for Jazz Camp to open. I'm excited about college. We're
excited about the NFL.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Hall of Fame games.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So we're making that slight turn right into football. And
of course the NBA follows along with hockey now.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
In the city.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So hey, it's you know, enjoy the summer, but it's
almost August.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
It's hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I know, summer is about over, man, especially with kids
going back to school.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
They go back to school in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, I swear when I was young, the first day
of school was never until like Labor Day weekend, and
now we're August fifteenth or something.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Crazy.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You know what I hated because we did the same
thing at and in college, but they brought us back
for a week and then they say go away for
a week right for Labor Day. I go, man, I
don't want to start this up twice, but you know
it kind of turned out that way. It's crazy, but no,
it's a fun Hey, it's a fun time, you know,
football especially, and then we'll get into the NBA later,
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but you know, nothing like having camps open. And like
I said, the NFL is just around the corner with
the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Before we get into any of that, before we look forward,
let's look back at Summer League, and you know, we
we haven't really recapped, at least the two of us together.
What you know, you Jazz produced the Summer League MVP.
You got some good reps out of young guys out
of the sophomore class, especially if that's the right way
to say it. Just your thoughts on on Summer League
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relative to expectations, what you saw from the Jazz talent.
I know we all would have liked to have seen
a little bit more from Ace.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But what'd you think.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, first you got to go with Philipowski, right, I
mean that's quite an honor to be able to win
the Las Vegas Summer League MVP Awards. So that put
a lot of eyes on him. O see, I think
obviously builds confidence too, and we'll see how that translates
in his sophomore season. I've got some high hopes for him.
I mean he could be a great you know, steal
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at the thirty two spot early second round, you know,
back in twenty four. So you know, I think the
Jazz are anxious to.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
See how he plays.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Obviously you saw a lot of Isaiah Collier. Still needs
to maybe just gear down, you know, from from six
to fifth, you know, driving the Lamborghini. I mean the
guy is absolutely you know, a machine on the floor.
But he has the added to that the Jazz need.
What Will Hardy spoke so much of last year, you know,
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some dog mentality, some toughness. There were a couple of times,
you know, got some altercations, nothing crazy, but you know,
you have to fight in this league to gain that
type of respect, especially if you run the show at
the point.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
So I like that.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I'm anxious to see Taylor Hendricks back. You know, his
body looks good. It was a wicked injury three games
in last year. O see, and I think this will
be obviously, you know, a tell a telltale sign of
just you know, how far he's come and what kind
of strength that he's gained and what kind of player
he's going to be. There's a lot of young talent,
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but a lot of unknowns. You know, they haven't been
picked to win more than eighteen and a half to
nineteen games. But you know what I'm all about surprises. Look,
you got to I guess you got to protect the
eighth the eighth pick, right, the one that's protected from OKAC.
But I think what Austin Inge wants to do is
just go play. The vets are gone. I guess the
other key to the summer too, by the way, is
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that the vets are gone and basically the minutes are
going to be used by a bunch of nineteen and
twenty year old's minus lowry marketing. Right, So the front
line looks strong. Backcourt seems intriguing. Is there a room
enough for everybody? Most likely not, So it should be
an interesting camp.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
You know, will Hardy better than I do.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I wonder if you know, like you said, the veterans
are gone and there's not going to be this tomfoolery
of well, hey, there's an injury here, so he's sitting
and you know, you do like you get to go
play and you probably have to lean all the way
in on player development because you know you're not gonna
win a ton of games. But is it in some ways,
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even though you have less talent, less veteran talent at
least on the team this year, is that a more
wrecked or easier coaching job? Do you think for Will
Hardy because there's none of that manipulation. It's just let's
go out and see what we can do with the
bodies available to us.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Look, oh see from my chair, I would say, yes,
he may have a different answer, but I'm telling you,
I would think that he's got to be excited coming
from the Popovich coaching tree, you know, spending what eleven
years in San Antonio.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I mean that's what you do.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You go coach and you want to see growth, and
he saw some with the last couple of classes. But
now the green light's on Austin Age has given him
the ability to be the coach he wants to be,
and that is the coach and to develop, and he
always says, he says it to us every year and
our meetings is that, look, this is not an easy
league and it's hellish at times. And you know what,
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only the strong survive with talent. And that's what the
Jazz are going through right.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Now with this new draft class.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And we don't know much about Ace, as you said,
because of the injury. And Walter Clayton Junior same, even
though there's excitement around him as well.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I mean he's four.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Your guy won a national championship, you know, hit big
shot and also play some d so that that kind
of elevates the excitement level too. But I think what
the Jazz finally realizes that, look, they got to find
one hundred grand for saying that marketing was you know,
a stil nurse in a sore knee or a hamstring
or a lower back, and we had to you know,
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the Jazz had to kind of formulate a plan on
who was going to play every night right this year,
you just whoever earns minutes is playing, and that may
decide obviously who stays and who goes contracts. You know
they're going to extend Walker Kestero. See that's the other thing.
They've gotten till October to do that. But that'll be
an intriguing moment if the Jazz decided to go there.
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So I think what they do this year, if if
they win, it's a great thing in many ways because
they see development.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
But I don't think.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Anyone expects the Jazz to take the Western Conference by storm.
But yet I think they'll see the same steps that
Oklahoma City did and Houston and Orlando is to make
those steps, you know, one year, one season at a time,
but hopefully you know, doesn't take that much time, if
you know what I mean. So you've got a couple
of vets, Nurkics being one of them, and Lowry market
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and being yet another, and you know, how does it
work out? You know, what are the minutes? And how
does that second unit work too? Those are all things
I think Will Hardy is excited to formulate and put
into his into his own game plan about these young
guys and watch them grow and watch them learn but
also earn the minutes. And I think that's going to
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be the biggest key to watch who actually impresses, who
actually plays the best to be on the floor of
the most minutes and who closes out games. That sometimes
is excuse me as the biggest key of all on
who the Jazz has their their site set on this
future run and the core of this franchise.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Greg Bowler Jack our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
shotalk in Utah Jazz in Summer League in this NBA
off season. For now, maybe we'll touch on some football
before the conversation is over. Uh, We've we've seen some
movement in this offseason. You've touched on some of it.
Is you know outside of Salt Lake City? Is there
a move or a new addition to any one of
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these teams that really has you intrigued to, you know,
maybe keep an eye on an outside market.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Uh, you know there's a few. This wasn't the biggest
off season free agent market, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
OC.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I'm still waiting to see where Cominga goes. Uh what
is what is Lebron gonna do?
Speaker 5 (08:44):
You know?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I mean he's kind of holding his hat on this
quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I mean, do they want to move him? I mean,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Let's what I don't know what your thoughts are, but
it just seems odd you know that there's still this
as we hit August in a couple of days, that
you know that Lebron's obviously a headliner of you know,
deciding if he's going to take his son, Bronni and
that's part of a deal or not. I think some
teams help themselves. Other teams kind of stayed flat. They
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made some moves. Oklahoma City still seems to me to
be the team that's going to come back in with
a Swaggert hard to go back and win back to
back titles. The Jazz got there twice, but couldn't you know,
win ninety seven or ninety eight, But just to get
there is a tough task by itself.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Who stays healthy?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Those are all questions I always ask, you know, when
the season starts, and then who makes you know, those
big trade deadline moves prior to the All Star break
will be another big storyline as we as we move on.
So yeah, I think the league is still pretty stable
from where it was. I'm anxious to see if Lebron
gets moved. And obviously Luca's body has been a big
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story about him slimming down you know, big issue in Dallas.
They weren't gonna pay him or bought into his his lifestyle.
But we'll see at the California diet is gonna is
gonna stay with Luca or not?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Are you are you buying or selling that bowler? Do
you think that this is like? Ah, we saw this
with in his can? Do you remember what in his
cant did this and we were just like, oh wow,
turning over a new leaf didn't didn't end up being
fully sustainable.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Do we think it will be for Luca?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
No? I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I just think he is who he is. You know,
he grew up. You know he likes beer. Okay, beer's
come with calories. You know, does he burn a lot
off burn a game? You know, he kind of plays
at his own, his own pace, right, But it'll be
interesting to see if he likes what he sees.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Oh see, you.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Know he may look in the mirror and go, hmm,
I've never seen this type of body before. Cannor liked it.
I remember he did a couple of flexes and stuff.
When he came back. We go, WHOA, what.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Happened to you?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
But you know it all comes and goes right, It's
hard to sustain during the course of eighty two six
seven months, eating, you know, drinking on the road, whatever
particular beverage you like, and we know what beverage he likes.
But hey, if he can it should help his game.
And maybe you know, the shredded pounds actually keeps him
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on the floor and healthier. That's the biggest key I
think the Lakers want to see as the investment is
so high. Can he stay away from the ankle problem?
Can he stay away from the calf strains? Can he
stay away from the hamstrings? And so maybe the the
you know, the the weight that he lost will play
played dividends for them in him.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
What do you think the the Jazz fan relationship with
with college basketball is going to be this year, not
not just like watching our utes and watching the Kougs,
although there's a strong crossover here, but you know there
was there was all the one eye on man, we're
tanking so we can get Koop. Let's at least watch
the Cooper flag highlights. Let's let's watch Let's watch the
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Ace Baileyes of the world. Let's see if this VJ
Edgecombe guy might end up in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So let's pay some more attention to this.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean, are more people going to be paying attention
to BYU basketball in Salt Lake City because there's hope
that aj Debonsa ends up going to the Utah Jazz. Eventually,
there's a lot of chagrin and people felt jaded by
the way that that lottery worked out.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Do we fall for it again?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Oh? Oh see? Man, we could talk for hours on that.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think with Austin Age, even though he said we're
not going to play that game any longer, it may
happen on its own. And if you know what I mean,
it's not like, you know, putting the chess pieces out
there and moving one veteran one night to play one
and then rest him for five. The John Collins and
the Collins sections and the and the Jordan Clarksons are gone.
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Great guys by the way, I'll miss him because of
just their personalities. And they still got a lot in
the tank. You know, JC Lands in New York. What
a guy's going to be a fashion icon more than
he ever was in Salt Lake walking into Madison Square Garden.
But I think that the youth of this team may
dictate obviously, wins and losses and where the Jazz land
in the lottery, it won't be as publicized. It may
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just happen, just morphing itself into minutes played by a
bunch of eighteen, nineteen and twenty year olds. And so
maybe that's the plan Austin has, is to let him go.
Let's see what happens, and then you know, down the stretch,
if it's close and you're going to lose that pick
to Okay, see, then maybe things change. But I think
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he's just gonna I think my gut is let him
play and let's see what happens. Last year, the Cooper Flag,
you know, sweepstakes was so interesting to be a part of.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
But I think the.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Jazz and the NBA and the fans, especially Utah, understand
that there's no guarantees. You had the worst record in
the league, seventeen wins, you had you know, less than
fourteen percent chance of getting the number one pick, and
what happens you lose and go five and Dallas, who
had one point eight percent, ends up with the prize
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and you know, a Bailey, Look, let's hope he develops
into something special, but you know it's going to take time.
Dallas shut Cooper down. You know, in Vegas didn't see
much of him. And I think that's the other problem too,
in my opinion in the NBA is there's so much
invested financially with with these players that they're afraid to
play him and because of injury. And you know, I
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know Stockton to Malone.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Would just roll the rise at that, but it is
what it is in today's world.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Oh see, you know how much of the Jazz play
Ace how much? I mean, you got to play him
to get better. And sometimes sports is as you know,
we all know, there's risks that you take to step
on the field or on a court on any given night.
There's no guarantees, but you s got to go play.
And I hope the Jazz opened the door and let
these guys go out and do their thing.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Greg Bowler Jack for a couple more minutes here on
the Sean O'Connell Show, if you'll indulge me, Bowler. College
football season is right around the corner BYU and Utah
opening up camp today and look last year BYU with
a resurgence. Last year a disaster for the University of Utah.
Optimism high for the Utes because of the offseason acquisitions,
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new offensive coordinator, new offensive staff, quarterback. Obviously that appears
to be dynamic. You've seen, like I have all of
the preseason honors for that offensive line, especially. I'm looking
at it from the ute perspective, but also from the
college football fan in the state of Utah perspective. This
to me feels like a year with a little bit
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of the old days of the Mount West.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Potentially. I think BYU is going to survive.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
They're going to survive the absence of Jake red stuff.
I still think they're going to be good this year.
Are you getting the same vibe that both teams could
be really good? Both teams could be in contention for
the Big Twelve, and we could be spoiled on good
football in twenty twenty five in our home state.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, I hope. So.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think it's good for the state, it's good for
college football, it's good for the Big Twelve. Look, Kansas State, Look,
I'm always cheering for them, but you know, we'll see.
I think it's going to be a great a great
conference battle.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
There's some good football, and especially if Utah does have
the resurgence, and yeah, there's with a new offensive coordinator.
I'm very intrigued to see the pace O see of.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
How they play.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
A lot of talk about, you know, getting up and
down the field, a lot more trying to throw the ball,
the run game. At times on a pitch go outside,
hit the edge, and that to me is intriguing.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
And I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Look, Byu was one of the biggest stories in college
football last year. Yeah, Jake's gone, but I still think
that Obviously, that's the centerpiece of any of any team,
is the quarterback. But I think the I think Byu
has enough in the tank left over, and what Kilani
has been able to do to really solidify that team,
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it says a lot. I mean each and every year OC.
As you know Colonie sometimes names gets popped up in
the last three or four years, like maybe.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
He's not the right guy. Well, look he is.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And he always has been. But you know, Dyu now
has what is called nil money, right, and oh how
does that change things?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
That change things in basketball? Right?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And you know Utah is trying to stay paced with that,
and I think it just makes for intriguing conversation and competition.
You know, the nil when you were playing OC, I
mean come on. I mean I just thought a scholarship
was quite an honor.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Right, that's winning a lottery back then. I mean, if
you're a scholarship, yeah, it's the best thing in the world.
And now these kids are you know, these kids are
trying to be millionaires before they leave school.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, they don't understand the fact that the free education
with housing and you know, basically a buffet of food
every time they want more.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And look, it's a great debate.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I'm old school, and I think you should still appreciate
what a university can give you, and that's an education. Football,
as we all know, doesn't last a lifetime. And you know,
everyone has dreams to take it to the next level.
But they're almost at that level in college plus the
scholarship plus nil money and you know the NC double
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A you remember used to chase teams. I'll say a
quick story. I may have told you this one before,
but when I was on air at KSL doing sports
Beat Sunday, I had the Heisman Trophy winner on ty Denmer,
great guy, and I gave him a sports Beat Sunday
hat okay, And I got a call the next day
that he was going to have to return that because
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it could be an nc double A violation. Isn't that crazy?
I mean, in the world today it was a four
ninety five cap and you know what I mean, it's like,
hey man, we always give a guest. Hey man, hey ty,
here you go. We're that proud on campus for right on. Yeah, okay, cool.
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And they said, yeah, a little worried the NCAA may
look at that as some sort of a gift. Oh my,
but now it doesn't even Isn't that crazy considering today
and the fact that the NCAA doesn't chase anybody really
because it's so out in the open. And some people
say that's a good thing because it was happening anyway,
but for the elite players, mind you. But now you know,
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there's a little chunk of change for a lot of
a lot of players out there, and I don't know
where it goes, you know, I don't know if there's
a ceiling or they're going to try to you know,
bumper pads on this thing and just try to keep it,
you know, at least put some common sense on it.
But if not, some schools may not be able to
stay stay with it, right, I mean, well, can Weaver
(20:00):
State compete. It's hard to say Utah State broncos there,
but still is that enough? But money does talk, and
those those those alums with big checkbooks, and I've witnessed
it at Texas and especially in the SEC when other
cbs oc my gosh, there is there is There is
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money out there, and alums are willing to pay if
they win. That's a big thing. If you win and
put a program on the field that's gonna you know,
do damage, then they're all behind you. But once it
kind of you know, tails off, the checkbooks closed and
you have to kind of regroup. But boy, there's a
lot of money involved right now.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
So much so there's been this kind of weird undercurrent
for the last couple of seasons really about whether or
not Kyle Whittingham is on his last year. And yeah,
we asked him this offseason, uh, you know, why was
why'd you decide to come back?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
And he didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
He didn't say it out right, but he did kind
of allude to, Look, you can't walk away on a
note like last year, like I can't.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
You know, a lot of people I've talked to think
this is it.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
A lot of people said that two years ago as well,
So take everything with a grain of salt. But I
mean he is one of the best coaches in all
of college football. He's the second longest tenured guy in
all of college football. If this is the final go
for Kyle Whittingham, what does that mean for Utah football?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, I don't think he's gonna mention it, which is
a good thing. There will be some people behind the
scenes that pretty much have an indicator that it is.
But you bring up a great point. He's had a
hell of a run and he's been to two Rose Bulls.
He's had a chance to win both sadly didn't come
out that way. But you know the big win, what
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was it eight you were part of?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Four was the year I was there?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeh yeah, four. I mean there's been some incredible wins.
There's been moments that Utah has just been on top
of the colin football you know pile and last year
was a huge disappointment.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I don't think I'd want to walk out with that
type of scenario and the way things went down. So
why not give it another run with better and you know,
a strong recruiting class, a very high level offensive line
and as you mentioned, a new way of doing things
that Utah offensively. That's intriguing. We know what they are defensively,
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but I'm anxious to see what type of package they
put on the field and how much disruption that causes
for defenses, you know, around the conference. But I think
we're in for a good a good fall, I really do.
I don't see BYU letting up Macha Jake's gone. But
you know, as you know, there's people, there's young players
(22:48):
waiting to take the next step, and you've got the
right people around you makes.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
You even better.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
So I'm open for good things red and blue. I
think it's only good for the state if it is.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I agree with that, even though people don't like to
hear me say it. On the Home of the youths
right here before I let you go. Circling back to
the Utah Jazz and you know, it's unfortunate that it
takes this long to have some of these conversations. But
Frank Layden. You knew Frank a lot better than I did.
He was an absolute pillar of the community and he's
been laid to rest, and all of us were sad
(23:21):
to see him go but what a legacy he left.
And I just wanted to give you some space if
you had anything you wanted to tell our listeners about
the late great Frank Layton.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Oh gosh, oh see, wonderful man just left a lunch
and that kind of honored him. Ronnie Mack was there.
Loved to see Mac. Such a great guy and such
a great friend of Frank's. I mean, there were some
tears and some people telling stories, mostly of his you know,
of the comedy nature, but there were several that stoock
(23:53):
out that I think people should know.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
He was the comedian.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
He was the guy that took a lot of the
pressure in those early days from the jazz, off the
players onto himself. You know, the iconic statement of what
times a game?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Frank? Why time can you be here?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
You know, like I'll start at at five thirty for
you if you want. But you know, Frank was a
funny guy, but he was deep. He cared and I
talked to him multiple times, why you stay in?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
He goes, Why do you stay?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Because I'm a transplant myself, you know, from the Midwest.
I said, you know what it feels like home? I
love Utah? And he goes, there. There you go. He's
Catholic and he goes, you're Baptist Methodist. That's the way
I was raised. And you know we're in a Mormon community.
Why not be here and bring everyone together? And I thought,
(24:43):
you know, he's on a mission. He wants to make
this city, the state, this region. Just embrace themselves, work
together and try to help the fellow man. I know
that's heavy, but that's who he was.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
He was.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
He did it, oh see, in and ways of comedy,
comedy relief to kind of let everybody loosen up and
then kind of come on the same page with him.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
He was a master of.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Dealing with people up on stage. He could have had
his own show in Vegas in my opinion, like George
Burns and would.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Have brought the house down. That's how That's.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
How funny he was. And one liners were just that
came off of him. You know, give me another one,
give me another one. But all and all in all,
he what was said at the luncheon today is so true.
When he said goodbye, he would say this to you
every time, is there anything I can do for you?
And you know what, he backed it up, you know,
(25:42):
he backed it up. He always was helping someone with like,
you know, can I help you with your scholarship or
with some financial help.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
With an education.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I watched him do that. West Rough over Channel four
made a great story. I had a great story about
him on the golf course, driving up to a young
man who had like fifty.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Golf balls to sell.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
You've been there where kids around there trying to, you know,
pick up a buck or two for you know, three
three golf balls for two bucks or whatever. And Frank goes,
how many you got?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Got fifty? He goes, I'll take them all.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
And so the kid starts to put him in a bag,
put him in a bag for him, hand him a
fifty dollars bill and says, you know what, keep them,
sell him to somebody else, and then just takes off
with a cigar in his mouth. That's the kind of
guy was, and west made a great point. The young
man who was involved that day with Frank will always
remember that. And I think that's what most of the
people I run into in Salt Lake, oh see, they
(26:37):
remember Frank and a story that involved them and him.
He was that type of guy and I miss him.
He mentored me when I first came to Salt Lake,
and I've always been thankful for that, just in the
sense of making the transition. And he's one of the
first interviews I ever did. On draft Night eighty five.
His iconic words were bringing a millman to Salt Lake City,
(27:00):
and that was the first story that I ever covered,
was Carl and Frank and the great jazz fan John
Sudbury over at the old Salt Palace, and those echo
with me still today. I was a young guy and
Frank was just an important cog in the beginning of
my career in Salt Lake and I definitely miss him well.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Thanks for saying all that, Thanks for giving us time today,
look forward to the next one.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Bowler appreciate you anytime.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Pal talks soon.
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