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Six and Tevin Lloyd, who is from Kansas City. Kim,
the reigning AFC Defensive Player of the Month, has just returned.
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Kevin Harlane on the call Shawn courtesy of Westwood Won
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way to win harshly because of that. Devin Lloyd fourteen
points swinging pick six against Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas
City Chiefs joining us to talk about all things football,
NFL college related. My former co host, good friend, NFL veteran,
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former Oregon duck, which is something we don't hold against him,
Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Let's talk me on to do hockey preview today.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No Utah, I know you're a big Utah Mammoth fan.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I am. Yeah, I get myself. I'm gonna order myself
a hat, have my size last year. I want to
be supportive of the of the Utah Utah clubs like that.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
We'll find a way to get you a mammothan. The sweaters,
I don't know. I don't know if they make I
don't know if they make the sweater in your size.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, I have three Oregon hockey sweaters that I wear
for podcasts that they certainly fit. So I don't know.
I don't know like what size I would need, but
I mean I know they do fit.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
All right. We'll figure it out.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
So are you are you now discounting the Penn State victory?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
UH?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
For your Oregon Ducks because Penn State turns out they
stink they lost to UCLA.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
No, I'm not doing that like the dumbest toingever. There
are people that are gonna wager in Indiana this weekend
because Oregan because Penn State lost UCUL. I should say
not because anything organ Dinner didn't do because an opponent
they previously played, instead of just really looking at it
as you should, which is that Oregon broke Penn State.
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I mean that that's it was a game they had,
they had planned for years, and they just were never
the same clearly after that game. And I think they
also thought, you know, I would imagine that USI stinks
this might not be a tough matchup for US, even
if for a little bit down from the previous game,
and it was. Uc A is not good, man. I mean,
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even after that win. The Bruins are on the road
this weekend at Michigan State, who's terrible, and they're eight
and a half underdogs, like no one believes in them
any even after the win the other day. But no,
I'm I'm not downgrading Oregon at all because Penn State
happened to play a really bad game against UCLA.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I asked that question somewhat tongue in cheek. This one
I am more serious about. It is good the enemy
of great to the point where Penn State has to
think about moving on from James Franklin because him and
his work that that's the reason you're in these conversations.
But also, you're only ever just in the conversation. You
don't win these games, but you don't win the Oregon game.
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You usually do win the UCLA game. And now you've
not only lost to Oregon, and you know you're not
good against top ten teams, et cetera, but now you're
dropping it against the arguably the worst team in your league.
So do you have to start having those conversations? If
you're Penn State, you want national championship expectations, do you
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have to separate yourself from a coach who's kind of
demonstrated he's not going to get you there.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I think it really depends on the rest of the season,
but I'm leaning toward yes. And to me, it's not
a firing. It's just like they just mutually decide, like,
you know, we've we've had our fun, we've done what
we have to do, We've gone as far as we can,
and they decide to move on. I don't think firing
Franklin for the sets he's had makes sense. Its buyout
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is enormous, but you mutually agree to part ways. Remember
this was there, This was the year that they had touted, right.
Everyone came back for the most part. Obviously Carter did not,
but Drowler came back, and you went and got porter receivers,
and you had a veteran offensive line and really good,
really good defense. They still have, by the way, the
offensive has not been as good. And you look at
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at two like you let Prebulah walk to Missouri, who's
been great so far and they have a big test
this weekend obviously, and you chose Drew Aller, and Drew
Aller has not been the guy. So that's also part
of the equation as well, as you chose maybe the
wrong guy, and you know, can you can you live
with with that decision if you are in the front
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office or really the you know, the ownership group or
whoever whoever fires the president, ever fires Franklin using NFL terms,
I get it, Sean that that to me is the
biggest question, right, And so we'll see how they finished
but it might just be where we run our course.
Has done all he can do at uh Pasia, maybe
he goes somewhere to u c l A and rebuilds
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the bruns. I mean he's he's a great program builder.
We did it, did it Penn State.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Right now, the Big ten's got nine teams that are foreign.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
One are better.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
The Big twelve's got nine teams that are foreign, one
are better. The SEC has got nine teams that are
four and one are better. Mathematically, it can't stay this
way with these teams. So how many contenders versus pretenders
are are we seeing in the top twenty five right now?
Because all those teams that I just mentioned, they're kind
of buying for those top twenty five spots. I mean,
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we're getting into conference play and the separation has to
happen at some point. How many of these teams are
going to rise? And how many of these are going
to prove to be paper tigers?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Sorry, my dog is very very energetic about this topic.
So are we talking about just like can win a
championship or make a playoff? Is there?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think it's probably making probably make a playoff. And
we're pro dog on this program. So it's okay if
falls barking in the background. Yeah, but like you know,
USC right now is four and one.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, so Austinton. Yeah, So playoff teams are interesting, Sean,
So I think in the Big ten, I really think
Michigan is a playoffs. I think Michigan beats USC this weekend,
and with their schedule, they're probably you know, you lose
Ohio State and we say that now obviously it hasn't
been the case last couple of years. But I think
that that that Michigan's in Oregon's in Ohio State's in Indiana,
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probably in depending on the way they finish out at
Penn State can beat Indiana and Ohio State. Penn State's in, right,
I mean, like, I think I think I feel pretty
good about sort of those teams you know in the SEC, Bama, Georgia,
Old miss UH probably near locks to be in in
that in that conversation, right, I can't anyone else, acc Miami,
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Georgia Tech is interesting, Floridest State obviously in the Big twelve. Look,
the Big twelve is interesting. I think that the the
quality of teams is is vast. I don't know if
they're like all playoff CALIBRITI teams, but Texas Tech obviously
is the front runner, and I still think Utah can
can can be there and be in that discussion. Sean,
I don't know if you know Utah fans feel that
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same way, but it's it's gonna be. This is the
if you're a proponent of the twelve team playoff, like
this is what you've been hoping for, which is like
this season right Sean, where it feels more open than
ever before. I don't think I think there's a bubble
of three teams right now. That they win a championship,
that's it and we're gonna get a bunch of chaos.
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I think the rest of the way conference players started
conference road games happen. You know, Alabama goes to Missouri
this weekend, they lose. Their discussion about Alabama being that
in that situation, what if organ loses in the end
of this weekend. It just there's a lot of sort
of openness to to who the those twelve teams are
gonna be. It's gonna make it fun down the stretch.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So in the Big twelve, you have Cincinnati overperforming expectations,
Houston overperforming expectations, as Zona over performing expectations. Kansas State
has looked worse than we thought. We'll find out a
lot more about Utah and BYU these next couple of weeks.
If one of those three that are like Cincinnati, Houston
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or Arizona are actually going to be this year's version
of Arizona State, who's most likely in your.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Mind Cincinnati does since their offensive line is good. Man
quarterback is good. I don't the defense is good enough
to make that happen, but they're certainly I think in
that in that discussion for that. But Holy War, by
the way, might might be bigger kickoff. There's some chatter
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about that. That's early game for you guys though it's
only problem, but there might be some so there might
be a lot people interested in that game, depending how
the results going this weekend. Would you welcome a a
ten million kickoff?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, it's right now.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The kickoff time has been given as six pm, so
people like that a lot better.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Oh, it's already it's already given. Okay, Oh, I think
you're out of that then, okay, I think we're out
of that discussion. Six six is much better than the
ten am. It's wild. Cincinnati to me is that team
Sean there it was, there was a good win for them.
I think I always it's a good team. You know,
they've had some close wins obviously as Iowa State, but
Cincinnati feels like that team. But I really I don't
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think the Big Twelve has like an Indiana type team
like sitting in the wings. I think the teams we
know that are good are good, and there's the Big
Twelve always has you know, a crazy amount of uh
kind of beat each other from within, right, which is
only I think that people care about when it comes
to the conference, that not the SEC. The SEC. When
they beat each other, it's like this is great football.
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When everyone else does, it's like it's a sign of
weakness in your conference. But I think that Cincinnati's that
that team that I look at.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
So we uh you talk coming off of bye week.
We had Kyle Whittingham's press conference again this week and
he gave a little bit of good news and said, hey,
there's a bunch of injuries in the West Virginia. Any
game in a win, but none of those have been
deemed to be season ending injuries. You lost to safety,
you were worried about Jackson Benny who's been this like
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multi faceted special teams, offense, defense type player. Yeah, and
he says these are not season ending injuries, but then
you remember, okay, it doesn't mean they're back this week.
And the gamesmanship of the injury reports and things like that,
it's been well documented. So how optimistic from your sort
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of like outside perspective should people be about good news
that might not be all that good of news.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Did you see before the Texas Tech game? It was
a BYU fan account but tweeted out like you tosk
injury reports as a It was a joke tweet, but
he put everyone in the roster under questionable and then
he put Cam Rising on there as doubtful. This is
why we can injury report, Sean. I've made this art
for years, like just so we have a little bit
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of transparent in the companies. I saw a tweet today
from from Pete Thamill, who you know, this is his job,
but it's these tweets I can't stand about. Oklahmost quarterback
John Matier like he might play this week.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Guys, seventeen days after surgery, like.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Like like okay, but he probably isn't. And like if
wed An injury report where they had to declare his
practice status for today. We would probably not have to
go through this exercise every week of guessing who's playing
and who's not. I get it. It's not it's not
the coach's jobs to make sure that we the public
know or whether or not someone is playing. But it's
very easy just to say, like, these guys are in
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and they don't you know, they don't play. There's no
repercussions for that, you know. I think obviously, I think
outside of Cam Rising, maybe they've been mostly because Damn
Pier stuff wasn't great, mostly been truthful. But yeah, I
think skeptism based on the previous way coaches talked about
injuries are certainly fair.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Devin dan Pier is a good place to start any
conversation about success or failure for this Utah football team.
They've got a pretty good Arizona State team coming in
the Rice Cycles night game. At one point that was
very meaningful. Night games at Rice Cycles were incredibly tough.
It has not been that way so far for Big
twelve opponents, but hopefully Saturday will reverse that trend. And
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I think a lot of that hinges on your quarterback
who has played well and played well against a pretty
bad West Virginia team.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
He's not as mobile.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
He wasn't as mobile, and they had the bye week,
and the hope is that he's going to get, you know,
one hundred percent healthy. And the reason I'm picking your
brain about this is when you're blocking for a guy
who usually is a mobile quarterback, usually is an elusive guy,
versus someone who has relied on that skill set his
whole life and now has to be a pocket passer,
like we saw against Texas Tech and like we saw
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to some extent against West Virginia. If he's been able
to get right in the bye week, how much does
that change things? And I guess on the flip side,
if he's not and he's got to win with his arm,
how much should we factor that into our expectations for
Arizona State.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, you don't really change the way you block in
pass protection, whether you know based on whether or not
you know the quarterback is mobile.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You do change the way that you call plays, right.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Sure, right? Right? Yeah? So the big difference is obviously
the play calls and just the feeling of like what
can we do in certain situations? And we've talked about
as many times like damn Pier, we don't know how
good he is as a pocket passer. We don't think
it's great. And so when teams can keep him in
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the pocket and he can't use his legs to threat
in the defense, it just makes playing defense against Utah
much easier. It just it just does. And when when
the thread of his legs are back, it should change
the way this offense can operate. But single back to
the same thing I've said for years now is mobile
quarterbacks and the ability to run is a great thing.
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It can be really really beneficial for your team, but
you have to win from in the end. Ultimately that
position for making plays from the pocket shown And so
it's good that he's healthy. That will certainly help with
some design runs and started short and fourth and short
in some situations and yeah, out of trouble, but you know,
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can he make sure that again he is getting the
ball out on time taking those deep shots? I mean
really against Texast Tech. I didn't watch the West Virginia
game very much. I knew I should have been on Utah.
I knew bet on Utah. I just did that was
done by me any day bounce back in that game,
you know, you know, I guess against Tech there weren't
a lot of deep shots even attempted that the one
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obviously had the penalty, which is kind of a bummer,
but I I just that's got to be a bigger
part of the offense however you get there.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Arizona State has been really good against the run, and
Utah has obviously needed to use the run in order
to rack up the wins that they have. The offensive
line I think has kind of yet to live up
to the preseason billing for Utah. They've only had the
one stiff test and they didn't pass that test.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I told you I didn't think they played that bad
in that game.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Though I don't think they played that well either. I mean,
this is supposed to be a team that are a
position group that can take over games even against good competition,
and they certainly didn't do that against Texas Tech. But
when we're talking about this matchup against Arizona State, should
we expect, like, especially now that you're you know, you're
bringing up, Hey, they didn't play that bad against Texas Tech.
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Should we expect that against Arizona State, who's good but
not as good as Texas Tech defensively that the offensive
line will take over in a game like this, or
at least as capable of taking over in a game
like this.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well, there are plenty campbells have to do it right,
and that's obviously the hard part about any sport, right
is a lot of times on paper things are good
and then you got to do them in reality. And
so yes, I would imagine that there's a little pride
there and making sure that they played better. And you're right,
even though you would say that it's it's tough for
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sledding to run the football when you can't pass the ball,
certainly is right. Safeties are down a little bit, linebackers
are eyeing those things. You would think Utah's offensive line
will be able to overcome that, right. I mean there's
certainly times in every game when you have must runs,
right and can you do that? And I think that's
your point about that game, right, It's like the must
run situations just weren't as good as you expected. And
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so yeah, I think just pride pride wise, right, you
want to show in this game that that wasn't what
you completely are against Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Jeff Schwartz is our guest for a few more minutes
here on The Sean O'Connell Show, talking All Things football,
shifting gears to the NFL Monday Night Football. We all
loved it. Devin Lloyd, former Utah linebacker. Fourteen point swing
on a pick six one of the plays of the
season so far and obviously ended up being hugely important
in that game.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I've learned that you can't really read too much into
one week, but yeah, that's an important win for Jacksonville
to be able to, you know, put that feather in
their cap, prime time, national television, everybody watching. You're against
Kansas City, who, of course is the high water mark
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in today's NFL. How meaningful is that win for Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I think it's super important, Sean, because when you have
a new staff and a new coaching, you know, a
new situation, as they do, you want you want to
have a sort of a signature moment early in your
tenure to say that this is it's working. It's working
for us. And the Chiefs are not the same team
they've been, but they're still the Chiefs. I think the
most important thing for Jacksonville is coming back to fourteen
points and the reason why the Chiefs just aren't as
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good this year in general, I think, and is they
they are not winning the moment. In the past, they've
won to win games. Right There obviously a lot of
plays in a game, and there are a lot of
ways you can win and lose, but a lot of
times it does come down at the end to a
couple of plays. Right, So the way the NFL works
out and Chiefs for years I've won those plays and
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this year they're not. You know, a fourteen point lead
for the Chiefs, like I mean that that that's been
a win. Like you usually were going to come back
in that game, and Jacksonville Sean came back and they
came back, you know, to tie the game, and the
Chiefs went ahead, and then they came back and they
scored like so the way they did it too was
super impressive. And the Devil interception was awesome because mahomes
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after the play and certainly looked this way watching it.
You know, he got fooled right that that was a
he did. I think he didn't think Devon was going
to be there, and he thought they were going to
have a wide open crosser on that zero pressure and
he bounced out and made the play. It was a
fantastic play by him, and then obviously he was able
to take it all the way back to the end zone.
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So those are plays like the Chiefs just never really
made in previous years, and they're they're making it now for.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
My forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
If if mac Jones continues to win, did they have
a real decision to make about Rock Purty when he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
To you, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I don't know, though, because you know, all you care
about is winning, but also you kind of have to
care about your fifty million dollars a year quarterback and
what that means. So I mean, I love when you
have a backup who can win you football games. You
know it's harder in college. Now, Yeah, have those guys
in the NFL. I think there's a lot of teams
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that have those guys. Good teams have those guys. But
I just don't know the dynamic when we're talking about
a team like the San Francisco forty Diners, who've dealt
with so many injuries and have had, you know, situations
where they're right there for a super Bowl and then
last year as well, so, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
That's why I ask you the NFL answer.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I think you answered your question with with the salary, right, Like,
if you're going to pay Party fifty million dollar Jary,
he has to be your starter. That's just the way
things work in the NFL. Is it fair that, you know,
guys get jobs based off a salary? No, but that's
that's life in the NFL. Right, you pay pretty all
this money. Mac Jones is not that much better. I
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don't even think that's what he's worth. It say, he's
not better than Brock Party, and even if he plays well,
it won't be anything close to what brock Party can
give you. You've he's taken you super Bowl already, Sean like
legitimately gotten you very very far. And it would be,
in my opinion, the wrong thing to do to pull him.
If back Jones plays well again this weekend in Tampa Bay,
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which is certinly possible. Tampa Bay's defense has been up
and down this year. See, I'll score a bunch of
points on them. He could certainly play well. I just
I just can't imagine you would Jesus bench block Party
after this.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Should we read anything into the Joe Flacco trade, Like,
what does that say anything about where the Bengals and
the Browns view their quarterback situations.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I put this tweet out there. I think that's a
good way to phrase it. This is like replacing a
chair on the deck of the Titanic. I don't what
what's this gonna? What do you gon accomplish here? If
you're the the brown He's got a fifth round pick
for him Sean which Joe Flacco got benched in Indianapolis
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last season when he was benched when they bench anthy Richardson. Okay,
Then then he started for the Browns this year and
got benched for Dylan Gabriel and anders like they're like,
ah and and and then the Browns said, you know what,
We're gonna trade you to division rival. That's how much
we think about you to be their starting quarterback. It's
it's not he's deft. He they tried to be the
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starting quarterback. That's how That's how poorly he is playing
right now and has played this trade. I know the
Bengals think they can salvage their season well off to
Berto come back. I would have gone Jameis Winston if
that was really the case. But yeah, no, this is
this is not gonna do anything. This is not nothing's
gonna be different.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Are you surprised there's no undefeated teams left in the
NFL through what five weeks?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, I mean the Bills should have won. I mean
the Eagles schedule has been tough. I get why they
might not be undefeated at this time. You know they
obviously they've they've done it, you know a couple of
different ways. But yeah, the Bills should have won. But
the NFL, man, it's a weird NFL year. There's uh,
not a lot of like elite teams. I think we
can agree on that. And then also there's a lot
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of really really bad teams, dude, a lot of bad
football right now. It's interesting year. When I mean right now,
who are putting money out to win the Super Bowl
right now? I think it's still Buffalo, maybe Detroit, maybe Philly,
Uh not a lot of choices.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Is Tampa Bay one of those choices?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Very fun team Baker's very fun. I don't think they're
good enough to win a championship.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Is Denver?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I I I cannot imagine bo Knicks winning three playoff
games win a championship for four.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah, how dare you say that about a duck?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm you know me, man, I'm I just tell how
it is.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Man, you're unemotional about it.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I don't think Organ's gonna call me right now and
be like, how dare you do? But smirch bow Nick's
name on Sean O'Connell's show. No, I don't. I don't
really think uh, he's good enough to make that. I mean,
let's say they don't win the division, Okay, is he winning?
Is bow Knicks winning three playoff games on the road
in the road to make the super Bowl? I don't.
I don't. I like bot next, I don't think that
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that's that's gonna be true.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Is it working for Pittsburgh with Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah? In the most Pittsburgh way possible, like the most
You're like, well, how does this keep happening? And they
do that, and the schedule is super easy coming up,
so it's working as so far, it's not blown up yet.
But I don't. I mean the Golden Pittsburgh to me
a super Bowl or bust. And it feels like they're
not close to super Bowl right now. So I don't
know what working actually means. But it's been fine. It's
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better than last season, and and the offense has shows
far more life than last season. So I think it's working.
But the end goals when Zer rule, that's just not
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
What's going wrong in Baltimore? As long as we're talking
about the AFC North.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You were playing a team that had a bunch of injuries. Yes,
it's just hard after a while to have the energy
to play your best when you know your margin for
error is like nothing, and then you start scoring poorly
in a game and you're down fourteen nothing, and look,
you're still playing hard, you're not quitting, but there is
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a little bit of you mentally, it's a little bit bean, right,
And I think that that's where Baltimore's at right now,
where everyone's hurt. They have to win games one specific way.
They get down immediately twenty one to three, whatever it was,
and they're just like, I'm it just you mentally get depressed.
And I'm again, I'm not saying that Ravens aren't trying
to win and they're not playing hard. I won't accuse
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players of doing that, but you know, you get to
a point when it's just it's just mentally difficult to
keep playing at the same level when you can't do
anything successible. I mean the Ravens can't play offense, can't
play defense. I mean they allowed what thirty eight to Lions,
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forty four this weekend, thirty seven the Chiefs, I mean
forty one to Buffalo Sean like it's it's just mentally demoralizing.
And again, I don't think they've actually decided we're all quitting,
you know, but it feels like a team that just
knows they can't win any games right now.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Before I let you go, how much Tennessee did you
go by today after decision two point zero?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, I'm sort of oh wow, it's already sort of
three thirty two, and you know that I'm gonna call
I saw that I chose to to as a Lebron fan,
I chose to ignore that and pretend it never happened.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Did you Did you think he was gonna make a
real announcement?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Uh? I think this is like last year. That would
have been the announcement. I think he's retiring now, but
I definitely think this is last year.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I thought that's what he was going to say and
get like the farewell tour.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, like the like the Jeter where they give him Like, yeah,
I found it was a little bit odd. Where like
the opposing team gives you a gift. Yeah, like here here, Jeter,
thanks for beating us for fifteen years, here's a gift
on your way out. How wash? How was Dubai? I
saw some of the social media clips. It looked like
you had a good time.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, DUDEI was cool. It's the wild place, man.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
The fights were a lot of decisions, but good tactical
back and forth stuff. Had a crazy spinning elbow knockout
that was wild.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I saw that. That's a clip I think I saw today. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I got to figure out a way, Like I got
to be more aware that that camera is always on
me so I don't look stupid when I'm doing the calls.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
What do you mean you just got up and were excited?
What do you mean stupid?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I know, but I like put my arms up in
the air like I'm feeling like like catching the.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Specret like you actually won. Yeah, yeah, uh it was,
I know. I liked it.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I also got a haircut from a real professional. It
only happens like once a year for me.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
So that was good.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
What do you mean, like like in dubai yea. Is
it one of those places that does the does like
the whole like head massage shave thing.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
No, I didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I don't, dude, I talk, I can't. You know what.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I don't like strangers touching me, so I don't. I
don't want that.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I want one of those like as M A s
m R like face massages. In the worst way, I'd
be all I'd be all in on that. I mean,
it's the problems. I would sleep the whole time, and
that would be like it would be a waste of money.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Well, now we know to get you for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Honikka, but thank you, Yes it could.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
We could still give you Christmas presents. You certainly can
interfaith celebration, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
We have a tree though, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You guys have a Christmas tree at the Schwarts house.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Come on, we do have a Christmas tree. It's it's
only a couple months away from from being the house,
I think.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
All right, dude, thanks for joining us. Sorry for making
you late for your next call.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Uh that's unimportant. All right, thank you buddy. Bye.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
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Speaker 1 (01:50):
Let's talk me on to do hockey preview today.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No Utah, I know you're a big Utah Mammoth fan.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I am. Yeah, I get myself. I'm gonna order myself
a hat, have my size last year. I want to
be supportive of the of the Utah Utah clubs like that.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
We'll find a way to get you a mammothan. The sweaters,
I don't know. I don't know if they make I
don't know if they make the sweater in your size.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, I have three Oregon hockey sweaters that I wear
for podcasts that they certainly fit. So I don't know.
I don't know like what size I would need, but
I mean I know they do fit.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
All right. We'll figure it out.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
So are you are you now discounting the Penn State victory?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
UH?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
For your Oregon Ducks because Penn State turns out they
stink they lost to UCLA.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
No, I'm not doing that like the dumbest toingever. There
are people that are gonna wager in Indiana this weekend
because Oregan because Penn State lost UCUL. I should say
not because anything organ Dinner didn't do because an opponent
they previously played, instead of just really looking at it
as you should, which is that Oregon broke Penn State.
(03:01):
I mean that that's it was a game they had,
they had planned for years, and they just were never
the same clearly after that game. And I think they
also thought, you know, I would imagine that USI stinks
this might not be a tough matchup for US, even
if for a little bit down from the previous game,
and it was. Uc A is not good, man. I mean,
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even after that win. The Bruins are on the road
this weekend at Michigan State, who's terrible, and they're eight
and a half underdogs, like no one believes in them
any even after the win the other day. But no,
I'm I'm not downgrading Oregon at all because Penn State
happened to play a really bad game against UCLA.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I asked that question somewhat tongue in cheek. This one
I am more serious about. It is good the enemy
of great to the point where Penn State has to
think about moving on from James Franklin because him and
his work that that's the reason you're in these conversations.
But also, you're only ever just in the conversation. You
don't win these games, but you don't win the Oregon game.
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You usually do win the UCLA game. And now you've
not only lost to Oregon, and you know you're not
good against top ten teams, et cetera, but now you're
dropping it against the arguably the worst team in your league.
So do you have to start having those conversations? If
you're Penn State, you want national championship expectations, do you
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have to separate yourself from a coach who's kind of
demonstrated he's not going to get you there.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I think it really depends on the rest of the season,
but I'm leaning toward yes. And to me, it's not
a firing. It's just like they just mutually decide, like,
you know, we've we've had our fun, we've done what
we have to do, We've gone as far as we can,
and they decide to move on. I don't think firing
Franklin for the sets he's had makes sense. Its buyout
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is enormous, but you mutually agree to part ways. Remember
this was there, This was the year that they had touted, right.
Everyone came back for the most part. Obviously Carter did not,
but Drowler came back, and you went and got porter receivers,
and you had a veteran offensive line and really good,
really good defense. They still have, by the way, the
offensive has not been as good. And you look at
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at two like you let Prebulah walk to Missouri, who's
been great so far and they have a big test
this weekend obviously, and you chose Drew Aller, and Drew
Aller has not been the guy. So that's also part
of the equation as well, as you chose maybe the
wrong guy, and you know, can you can you live
with with that decision if you are in the front
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office or really the you know, the ownership group or
whoever whoever fires the president, ever fires Franklin using NFL terms,
I get it, Sean that that to me is the
biggest question, right, And so we'll see how they finished
but it might just be where we run our course.
Has done all he can do at uh Pasia, maybe
he goes somewhere to u c l A and rebuilds
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the bruns. I mean he's he's a great program builder.
We did it, did it Penn State.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Right now, the Big ten's got nine teams that are foreign.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
One are better.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
The Big twelve's got nine teams that are foreign, one
are better. The SEC has got nine teams that are
four and one are better. Mathematically, it can't stay this
way with these teams. So how many contenders versus pretenders
are are we seeing in the top twenty five right now?
Because all those teams that I just mentioned, they're kind
of buying for those top twenty five spots. I mean,
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we're getting into conference play and the separation has to
happen at some point. How many of these teams are
going to rise? And how many of these are going
to prove to be paper tigers?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Sorry, my dog is very very energetic about this topic.
So are we talking about just like can win a
championship or make a playoff? Is there?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think it's probably making probably make a playoff. And
we're pro dog on this program. So it's okay if
falls barking in the background. Yeah, but like you know,
USC right now is four and one.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, so Austinton. Yeah, So playoff teams are interesting, Sean,
So I think in the Big ten, I really think
Michigan is a playoffs. I think Michigan beats USC this weekend,
and with their schedule, they're probably you know, you lose
Ohio State and we say that now obviously it hasn't
been the case last couple of years. But I think
that that that Michigan's in Oregon's in Ohio State's in Indiana,
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probably in depending on the way they finish out at
Penn State can beat Indiana and Ohio State. Penn State's in, right,
I mean, like, I think I think I feel pretty
good about sort of those teams you know in the SEC, Bama, Georgia,
Old miss UH probably near locks to be in in
that in that conversation, right, I can't anyone else, acc Miami,
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Georgia Tech is interesting, Floridest State obviously in the Big twelve. Look,
the Big twelve is interesting. I think that the the
quality of teams is is vast. I don't know if
they're like all playoff CALIBRITI teams, but Texas Tech obviously
is the front runner, and I still think Utah can
can can be there and be in that discussion. Sean,
I don't know if you know Utah fans feel that
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same way, but it's it's gonna be. This is the
if you're a proponent of the twelve team playoff, like
this is what you've been hoping for, which is like
this season right Sean, where it feels more open than
ever before. I don't think I think there's a bubble
of three teams right now. That they win a championship,
that's it and we're gonna get a bunch of chaos.
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I think the rest of the way conference players started
conference road games happen. You know, Alabama goes to Missouri
this weekend, they lose. Their discussion about Alabama being that
in that situation, what if organ loses in the end
of this weekend. It just there's a lot of sort
of openness to to who the those twelve teams are
gonna be. It's gonna make it fun down the stretch.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So in the Big twelve, you have Cincinnati overperforming expectations,
Houston overperforming expectations, as Zona over performing expectations. Kansas State
has looked worse than we thought. We'll find out a
lot more about Utah and BYU these next couple of weeks.
If one of those three that are like Cincinnati, Houston
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or Arizona are actually going to be this year's version
of Arizona State, who's most likely in your.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Mind Cincinnati does since their offensive line is good. Man
quarterback is good. I don't the defense is good enough
to make that happen, but they're certainly I think in
that in that discussion for that. But Holy War, by
the way, might might be bigger kickoff. There's some chatter
(09:39):
about that. That's early game for you guys though it's
only problem, but there might be some so there might
be a lot people interested in that game, depending how
the results going this weekend. Would you welcome a a
ten million kickoff?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, it's right now.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The kickoff time has been given as six pm, so
people like that a lot better.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Oh, it's already it's already given. Okay, Oh, I think
you're out of that then, okay, I think we're out
of that discussion. Six six is much better than the
ten am. It's wild. Cincinnati to me is that team
Sean there it was, there was a good win for them.
I think I always it's a good team. You know,
they've had some close wins obviously as Iowa State, but
Cincinnati feels like that team. But I really I don't
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think the Big Twelve has like an Indiana type team
like sitting in the wings. I think the teams we
know that are good are good, and there's the Big
Twelve always has you know, a crazy amount of uh
kind of beat each other from within, right, which is
only I think that people care about when it comes
to the conference, that not the SEC. The SEC. When
they beat each other, it's like this is great football.
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When everyone else does, it's like it's a sign of
weakness in your conference. But I think that Cincinnati's that
that team that I look at.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
So we uh you talk coming off of bye week.
We had Kyle Whittingham's press conference again this week and
he gave a little bit of good news and said, hey,
there's a bunch of injuries in the West Virginia. Any
game in a win, but none of those have been
deemed to be season ending injuries. You lost to safety,
you were worried about Jackson Benny who's been this like
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multi faceted special teams, offense, defense type player. Yeah, and
he says these are not season ending injuries, but then
you remember, okay, it doesn't mean they're back this week.
And the gamesmanship of the injury reports and things like that,
it's been well documented. So how optimistic from your sort
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of like outside perspective should people be about good news
that might not be all that good of news.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Did you see before the Texas Tech game? It was
a BYU fan account but tweeted out like you tosk
injury reports as a It was a joke tweet, but
he put everyone in the roster under questionable and then
he put Cam Rising on there as doubtful. This is
why we can injury report, Sean. I've made this art
for years, like just so we have a little bit
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of transparent in the companies. I saw a tweet today
from from Pete Thamill, who you know, this is his job,
but it's these tweets I can't stand about. Oklahmost quarterback
John Matier like he might play this week.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Guys, seventeen days after surgery, like.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Like like okay, but he probably isn't. And like if
wed An injury report where they had to declare his
practice status for today. We would probably not have to
go through this exercise every week of guessing who's playing
and who's not. I get it. It's not it's not
the coach's jobs to make sure that we the public
know or whether or not someone is playing. But it's
very easy just to say, like, these guys are in
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and they don't you know, they don't play. There's no
repercussions for that, you know. I think obviously, I think
outside of Cam Rising, maybe they've been mostly because Damn
Pier stuff wasn't great, mostly been truthful. But yeah, I
think skeptism based on the previous way coaches talked about
injuries are certainly fair.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Devin dan Pier is a good place to start any
conversation about success or failure for this Utah football team.
They've got a pretty good Arizona State team coming in
the Rice Cycles night game. At one point that was
very meaningful. Night games at Rice Cycles were incredibly tough.
It has not been that way so far for Big
twelve opponents, but hopefully Saturday will reverse that trend. And
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I think a lot of that hinges on your quarterback
who has played well and played well against a pretty
bad West Virginia team.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
He's not as mobile.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
He wasn't as mobile, and they had the bye week,
and the hope is that he's going to get, you know,
one hundred percent healthy. And the reason I'm picking your
brain about this is when you're blocking for a guy
who usually is a mobile quarterback, usually is an elusive guy,
versus someone who has relied on that skill set his
whole life and now has to be a pocket passer,
like we saw against Texas Tech and like we saw
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to some extent against West Virginia. If he's been able
to get right in the bye week, how much does
that change things? And I guess on the flip side,
if he's not and he's got to win with his arm,
how much should we factor that into our expectations for
Arizona State.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, you don't really change the way you block in
pass protection, whether you know based on whether or not
you know the quarterback is mobile.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You do change the way that you call plays, right.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Sure, right? Right? Yeah? So the big difference is obviously
the play calls and just the feeling of like what
can we do in certain situations? And we've talked about
as many times like damn Pier, we don't know how
good he is as a pocket passer. We don't think
it's great. And so when teams can keep him in
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the pocket and he can't use his legs to threat
in the defense, it just makes playing defense against Utah
much easier. It just it just does. And when when
the thread of his legs are back, it should change
the way this offense can operate. But single back to
the same thing I've said for years now is mobile
quarterbacks and the ability to run is a great thing.
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It can be really really beneficial for your team, but
you have to win from in the end. Ultimately that
position for making plays from the pocket shown And so
it's good that he's healthy. That will certainly help with
some design runs and started short and fourth and short
in some situations and yeah, out of trouble, but you know,
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can he make sure that again he is getting the
ball out on time taking those deep shots? I mean
really against Texast Tech. I didn't watch the West Virginia
game very much. I knew I should have been on Utah.
I knew bet on Utah. I just did that was
done by me any day bounce back in that game,
you know, you know, I guess against Tech there weren't
a lot of deep shots even attempted that the one
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obviously had the penalty, which is kind of a bummer,
but I I just that's got to be a bigger
part of the offense however you get there.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Arizona State has been really good against the run, and
Utah has obviously needed to use the run in order
to rack up the wins that they have. The offensive
line I think has kind of yet to live up
to the preseason billing for Utah. They've only had the
one stiff test and they didn't pass that test.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I told you I didn't think they played that bad
in that game.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Though I don't think they played that well either. I mean,
this is supposed to be a team that are a
position group that can take over games even against good competition,
and they certainly didn't do that against Texas Tech. But
when we're talking about this matchup against Arizona State, should
we expect, like, especially now that you're you know, you're
bringing up, Hey, they didn't play that bad against Texas Tech.
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Should we expect that against Arizona State, who's good but
not as good as Texas Tech defensively that the offensive
line will take over in a game like this, or
at least as capable of taking over in a game
like this.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well, there are plenty campbells have to do it right,
and that's obviously the hard part about any sport, right
is a lot of times on paper things are good
and then you got to do them in reality. And
so yes, I would imagine that there's a little pride
there and making sure that they played better. And you're right,
even though you would say that it's it's tough for
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sledding to run the football when you can't pass the ball,
certainly is right. Safeties are down a little bit, linebackers
are eyeing those things. You would think Utah's offensive line
will be able to overcome that, right. I mean there's
certainly times in every game when you have must runs,
right and can you do that? And I think that's
your point about that game, right, It's like the must
run situations just weren't as good as you expected. And
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so yeah, I think just pride pride wise, right, you
want to show in this game that that wasn't what
you completely are against Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Jeff Schwartz is our guest for a few more minutes
here on The Sean O'Connell Show, talking All Things football,
shifting gears to the NFL Monday Night Football. We all
loved it. Devin Lloyd, former Utah linebacker. Fourteen point swing
on a pick six one of the plays of the
season so far and obviously ended up being hugely important
in that game.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I've learned that you can't really read too much into
one week, but yeah, that's an important win for Jacksonville
to be able to, you know, put that feather in
their cap, prime time, national television, everybody watching. You're against
Kansas City, who, of course is the high water mark
(18:12):
in today's NFL. How meaningful is that win for Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I think it's super important, Sean, because when you have
a new staff and a new coaching, you know, a
new situation, as they do, you want you want to
have a sort of a signature moment early in your
tenure to say that this is it's working. It's working
for us. And the Chiefs are not the same team
they've been, but they're still the Chiefs. I think the
most important thing for Jacksonville is coming back to fourteen
points and the reason why the Chiefs just aren't as
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good this year in general, I think, and is they
they are not winning the moment. In the past, they've
won to win games. Right There obviously a lot of
plays in a game, and there are a lot of
ways you can win and lose, but a lot of
times it does come down at the end to a
couple of plays. Right, So the way the NFL works
out and Chiefs for years I've won those plays and
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this year they're not. You know, a fourteen point lead
for the Chiefs, like I mean that that that's been
a win. Like you usually were going to come back
in that game, and Jacksonville Sean came back and they
came back, you know, to tie the game, and the
Chiefs went ahead, and then they came back and they
scored like so the way they did it too was
super impressive. And the Devil interception was awesome because mahomes
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after the play and certainly looked this way watching it.
You know, he got fooled right that that was a
he did. I think he didn't think Devon was going
to be there, and he thought they were going to
have a wide open crosser on that zero pressure and
he bounced out and made the play. It was a
fantastic play by him, and then obviously he was able
to take it all the way back to the end zone.
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So those are plays like the Chiefs just never really
made in previous years, and they're they're making it now for.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
My forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
If if mac Jones continues to win, did they have
a real decision to make about Rock Purty when he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
To you, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I don't know, though, because you know, all you care
about is winning, but also you kind of have to
care about your fifty million dollars a year quarterback and
what that means. So I mean, I love when you
have a backup who can win you football games. You
know it's harder in college. Now, Yeah, have those guys
in the NFL. I think there's a lot of teams
(20:23):
that have those guys. Good teams have those guys. But
I just don't know the dynamic when we're talking about
a team like the San Francisco forty Diners, who've dealt
with so many injuries and have had, you know, situations
where they're right there for a super Bowl and then
last year as well, so, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
That's why I ask you the NFL answer.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I think you answered your question with with the salary, right, Like,
if you're going to pay Party fifty million dollar Jary,
he has to be your starter. That's just the way
things work in the NFL. Is it fair that, you know,
guys get jobs based off a salary? No, but that's
that's life in the NFL. Right, you pay pretty all
this money. Mac Jones is not that much better. I
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don't even think that's what he's worth. It say, he's
not better than Brock Party, and even if he plays well,
it won't be anything close to what brock Party can
give you. You've he's taken you super Bowl already, Sean like
legitimately gotten you very very far. And it would be,
in my opinion, the wrong thing to do to pull him.
If back Jones plays well again this weekend in Tampa Bay,
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which is certinly possible. Tampa Bay's defense has been up
and down this year. See, I'll score a bunch of
points on them. He could certainly play well. I just
I just can't imagine you would Jesus bench block Party
after this.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Should we read anything into the Joe Flacco trade, Like,
what does that say anything about where the Bengals and
the Browns view their quarterback situations.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I put this tweet out there. I think that's a
good way to phrase it. This is like replacing a
chair on the deck of the Titanic. I don't what
what's this gonna? What do you gon accomplish here? If
you're the the brown He's got a fifth round pick
for him Sean which Joe Flacco got benched in Indianapolis
(22:07):
last season when he was benched when they bench anthy Richardson. Okay,
Then then he started for the Browns this year and
got benched for Dylan Gabriel and anders like they're like,
ah and and and then the Browns said, you know what,
We're gonna trade you to division rival. That's how much
we think about you to be their starting quarterback. It's
it's not he's deft. He they tried to be the
(22:28):
starting quarterback. That's how That's how poorly he is playing
right now and has played this trade. I know the
Bengals think they can salvage their season well off to
Berto come back. I would have gone Jameis Winston if
that was really the case. But yeah, no, this is
this is not gonna do anything. This is not nothing's
gonna be different.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Are you surprised there's no undefeated teams left in the
NFL through what five weeks?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, I mean the Bills should have won. I mean
the Eagles schedule has been tough. I get why they
might not be undefeated at this time. You know they
obviously they've they've done it, you know a couple of
different ways. But yeah, the Bills should have won. But
the NFL, man, it's a weird NFL year. There's uh,
not a lot of like elite teams. I think we
can agree on that. And then also there's a lot
(23:17):
of really really bad teams, dude, a lot of bad
football right now. It's interesting year. When I mean right now,
who are putting money out to win the Super Bowl
right now? I think it's still Buffalo, maybe Detroit, maybe Philly,
Uh not a lot of choices.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Is Tampa Bay one of those choices?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Very fun team Baker's very fun. I don't think they're
good enough to win a championship.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Is Denver?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I I I cannot imagine bo Knicks winning three playoff
games win a championship for four.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah, how dare you say that about a duck?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm you know me, man, I'm I just tell how
it is.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Man, you're unemotional about it.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I don't think Organ's gonna call me right now and
be like, how dare you do? But smirch bow Nick's
name on Sean O'Connell's show. No, I don't. I don't
really think uh, he's good enough to make that. I mean,
let's say they don't win the division, Okay, is he winning?
Is bow Knicks winning three playoff games on the road
in the road to make the super Bowl? I don't.
I don't. I like bot next, I don't think that
(24:27):
that's that's gonna be true.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Is it working for Pittsburgh with Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah? In the most Pittsburgh way possible, like the most
You're like, well, how does this keep happening? And they
do that, and the schedule is super easy coming up,
so it's working as so far, it's not blown up yet.
But I don't. I mean the Golden Pittsburgh to me
a super Bowl or bust. And it feels like they're
not close to super Bowl right now. So I don't
know what working actually means. But it's been fine. It's
(24:56):
better than last season, and and the offense has shows
far more life than last season. So I think it's working.
But the end goals when Zer rule, that's just not
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
What's going wrong in Baltimore? As long as we're talking
about the AFC North.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You were playing a team that had a bunch of injuries. Yes,
it's just hard after a while to have the energy
to play your best when you know your margin for
error is like nothing, and then you start scoring poorly
in a game and you're down fourteen nothing, and look,
you're still playing hard, you're not quitting, but there is
(25:33):
a little bit of you mentally, it's a little bit bean, right,
And I think that that's where Baltimore's at right now,
where everyone's hurt. They have to win games one specific way.
They get down immediately twenty one to three, whatever it was,
and they're just like, I'm it just you mentally get depressed.
And I'm again, I'm not saying that Ravens aren't trying
to win and they're not playing hard. I won't accuse
(25:54):
players of doing that, but you know, you get to
a point when it's just it's just mentally difficult to
keep playing at the same level when you can't do
anything successible. I mean the Ravens can't play offense, can't
play defense. I mean they allowed what thirty eight to Lions,
(26:15):
forty four this weekend, thirty seven the Chiefs, I mean
forty one to Buffalo Sean like it's it's just mentally demoralizing.
And again, I don't think they've actually decided we're all quitting,
you know, but it feels like a team that just
knows they can't win any games right now.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Before I let you go, how much Tennessee did you
go by today after decision two point zero?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, I'm sort of oh wow, it's already sort of
three thirty two, and you know that I'm gonna call
I saw that I chose to to as a Lebron fan,
I chose to ignore that and pretend it never happened.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Did you Did you think he was gonna make a
real announcement?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Uh? I think this is like last year. That would
have been the announcement. I think he's retiring now, but
I definitely think this is last year.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I thought that's what he was going to say and
get like the farewell tour.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, like the like the Jeter where they give him Like, yeah,
I found it was a little bit odd. Where like
the opposing team gives you a gift. Yeah, like here here, Jeter,
thanks for beating us for fifteen years, here's a gift
on your way out. How wash? How was Dubai? I
saw some of the social media clips. It looked like
you had a good time.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, DUDEI was cool. It's the wild place, man.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
The fights were a lot of decisions, but good tactical
back and forth stuff. Had a crazy spinning elbow knockout
that was wild.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I saw that. That's a clip I think I saw today. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I got to figure out a way, Like I got
to be more aware that that camera is always on
me so I don't look stupid when I'm doing the calls.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
What do you mean you just got up and were excited?
What do you mean stupid?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
I know, but I like put my arms up in
the air like I'm feeling like like catching the.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Specret like you actually won. Yeah, yeah, uh it was,
I know. I liked it.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I also got a haircut from a real professional. It
only happens like once a year for me.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
So that was good.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
What do you mean, like like in dubai yea. Is
it one of those places that does the does like
the whole like head massage shave thing.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
No, I didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I don't, dude, I talk, I can't. You know what.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I don't like strangers touching me, so I don't. I
don't want that.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I want one of those like as M A s
m R like face massages. In the worst way, I'd
be all I'd be all in on that. I mean,
it's the problems. I would sleep the whole time, and
that would be like it would be a waste of money.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Well, now we know to get you for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Honikka, but thank you, Yes it could.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
We could still give you Christmas presents. You certainly can
interfaith celebration, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
We have a tree though, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You guys have a Christmas tree at the Schwarts house.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Come on, we do have a Christmas tree. It's it's
only a couple months away from from being the house,
I think.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
All right, dude, thanks for joining us. Sorry for making
you late for your next call.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Uh that's unimportant. All right, thank you buddy. Bye.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
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