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Speaker 1 (00:12):
He's out.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
NBA than any of us will ever know.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Let's not get crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
the day and listen today here's o C with basketball
sabot Gordy Chiaysa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Minded Come on behind it Shan O'Connell's show, ESPN seven
UND ninety two one FFM Gordon Jason, our resident NBA
guru in a downtime for the NBA, if there is
such a thing, Doherty welcome, How are you, Sean?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I am doing fine, Thank you. Net downtime it's still
going on, however, in about ten days from now, that's
when it's invisibly where most of the people will already
signed contracts and they were just one or two left,
and the other people that wanted to get a contract
with the NBA, they're definitely heading overseas. Usually the first
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ten days of August they decide to go overseas them.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Is there anyone out there right now who hasn't signed
that contract that surprises you that you thought would have already.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You have found a destination at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, again, it's a Jonathan Taminga. He's the guy that
everyone's looking at with the Golden State Warriors. The Warriors
recently offered him a two year contract at twenty million
year equals forty million, and he's restricted free agent and
they rejected it so far, so he's out there right now.
And then Edward's looking at Josh Gitty, a Chicago Bulls,
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also a free agent restricted, and Josh Kitty's representation and
the Bulls they're not on the same page at all.
And we'll say that plays out, which means in Malcolm Rodrick,
who's really a good player, is also on hold to
see whatever those guys where they go. He'll try to
counter that and get to a different team that away
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for the Wizards.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
We talked about this on the show yesterday, Gordie, the
Luka Doncic trim down. You know the cover of Men's
Fitness magazine and you know, maybe some abs showing through
for Luca, who's always been kind of a bad body guy.
And I somewhat facetiously was talking about you know, there's
a few reasons why this happened. This is like the
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post breakup body where you're trying to make the ex jealous,
the X being the Dallas Mavericks. In this particular equation,
there's the I think more positive outcome here that he's
around Lebron James on a daily basis, and Lebron sees
that professionalism and is like, let me invest in my
body the way that Lebron invested his. But no matter
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what the reasoning is, is it going to have some
kind of concrete effect on Luca as a player in
the immediate future and maybe long term?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, very much. Answer is yes. When you're usually speaking,
when you're an athlete, when you get lighter, you play better.
Generally speaking, you get lighter and that you're more agile
on your feet, you're less as stral to injuries. Now,
Lucas hurt last year, and by him slimming down dramatically,
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he'll have more bounce to his game. He'll be able
to last play longer as far as at a high
level and conditioning. And then Sean also part by of
that him slimming down is that he's saying to the
Lakers that I'm worth next week when you guys signed
me to an extension for four years to in twenty million,
and I'm serious leading the Lakers post Lebron. So next
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week Lebron's excre me. Luca's eligible for an extension four
years to twenty million total. And that's part of the
reason why that he's serious about his conditioning. He's mature now,
he's twenty six years old. He's accomplished many things in sports,
but never as far as him as far as being
a champion, and that with the Lakers, he thinks he
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could help them go very deep in the playoffs, and
by swimming down it's indicated that he's serious about her now.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So we've seen this like extreme version of this.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Even in his Cantered famously got in incredible shape one year,
and I mean they're always.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
In good shape.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
But how sustainable is it for somebody like Luca who
that wasn't that's not who he has been. I know
he's still young, but it's not who he has been
to this point. Is this something you if you're his coach,
if you're in that front office, you're looking at it
and you're saying, yeah, this is what I can expect
from him, not only for the next six months, but
for the next six years.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, very much. Answer is yes, that's what they expect
them to do. Your professional athlete, and you have a
chance to show greatness besides individually, but to lead your team.
And we know it's the behavioral You have to change
your lifestyle. You're eating habits. You know, it's so easy
to eat the wrong foods. You know, they call it
quote comfort foods. So you need discipline and you need
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those around you that the professional cook. You remember, these
guys had their own cooks around them, and they should
they can afford it. So there's no reason why that
professional athlete should be out of shape because they have
all the luxuries of people helping them to be in
tip top condition also both mentally and physically. And obviously
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we know what you eat is absolutely important as far
as how you perform. And I've seen it with Call
Malone or we had called with the Jazz how you
absolutely paid the price and so that John stocked in
as far as conditioning, and that's why those guys played
for at a high level for so many years. And
that's Lebron James right now, Luke is trying to use
the same thing Chris Paul also in that group. Chris
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pull again, he is this twenty year playing in the
NBA and at a high level. As far as both
offensive defense, he's in great shape. There's no, there's no
as far as the easy path. You've got to pay
the price both on the court off the court, as
far as conditioning.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Gordy, there's the Karl Malone end of the spectrum, and
then there's guys at the other end of that spectrum
that have similar outcomes. Karl Malone didn't have a ton
of injuries. There's some guys that they don't look great right,
they're a little bit flabby, but they seem to be durable.
You can't pull fat, is the joke that people pull
on that one. Is there anything too, you know, a
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risk in getting too lean or or anything like that
creating different I guess conditions for your body that make
you more susceptible dangery.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, the answer is yes, there is, and that's why
you need professional help where those trainers they understand your
each person's body individually and how we perform. I'm at
a high level and that's why again with these professional athletes,
they're around the elite of the elite as far as
medical staff and training staff, and that's why they perform
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the exception. There is as one outlier, and we love
this guy from at Devin Nuggets, Nikolai Jokic. He's the opposite.
Now he's still has that body frame that's a very uninspiring,
but he's an incredible basketball player. And so he's the
one exception in the present tense that can play this
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high level and just bounce around in the lane and
play outside. But he's the outlier.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Gordia Ja is our guest here for a couple more
minutes on the Sean O'Connell Show. We've touched on this
a couple of times in past conversations, Gordy, the television contracts,
the broadcast contracts changing in the NBA, and for fans,
that alters your perception of the product and the broadcast
might look and down a little bit different. Obviously, there
was a big outcry that people wanted, you know, the
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TNT's halftime show to stay intact, and the people were
given what they wanted there. How is the broadcast rights
deal actually going to change the way we interact with
and the way the NBA looks and sounds next year.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well if you only have its to be different now.
So it's so programmed into watching ESPN, NBA TV and TNTs.
You mentioned about TNT the show goes to ESPN intact
with Charles Kenny excuse me, Charles Barkley and a few
guests as far as periodically. But now with NBC Sports
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and Peacock Streaming they bought rights very similar showing to
the NFL you know where. Now it's on every different platform.
So just quickly, here's the main guys to the analysts
for NBC Sports and Peacock Streaming for NBA Basketball, Reggie
Jamar Crawford, grand Hell, Brad Dougherty, Brian Scalabrini, Derek Fisher,
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Austin Reeves and Robbie Humble, and then in studio with
NBC will be and it's called and I this morning.
This announced it today, Vince Carter, Tamelo Anthony and Tracy McGrady.
So those guys will be in studio pre post, pre
halftime and posts and they'll be chopping it up. Now.
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The other partners of the Amazon, the Big Boys, Amazon
Prime Video, those guys that is fine e Go's elite
voice to play by play, which is absolutely sensational and
it's hard to imagine, but Kevin Harley is the second
and up group, so that both it should be like
almost like co one. But Deano's are going to be
stan Van Gundy, Del Curry, Steve Nash, Brent Barry, Dwyane Wade,
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and Candace Parker. And in studio of the pre halftime
and post will be Dirk Mwhitsky and Blake Griffin. So
those are the new partners that the NBA has plus
now obviously with ESPN and ABC that's the main focal point.
And now they're negotiating with different people as far as
being some of the analysts. But we know right now
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that Mike Breen is your time record most ever NBA Finals.
As far as broadcasting, he's the number one voice there
and Richard Jeffs has done a good job. And so
it is Tim Leagler.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
You mentioned Dwayne Wade is going to be on some
broadcast duties.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Now there was on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah, Okay, So there was a question when Tom Brady
was going to be doing broadcasting and wanted to get
into the ownership group for the Las Vegas Raiders. Whether
there's a conflict of interest there. Obviously, Dwayne Wade is
a minority owner for our own Utah Jazz and now
he's going to be doing some analysis work as well.
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In your mind, is there a conflict of interest when
you're trying to play both of those roles?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
No, there really is, And that's the same thing it's
in discussion with Grant Hill. Grant Hill is the marity
owner of a small stake of the Atlanta Hawks. So
whatever they worked out with the NBA office and the
other governors, meaning the other other owners, they worked it
out and that there's no conflict of interest, and so
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I'm assuming that they're the same thing with Rainwad and again,
those guys they offer such an unbelievable perspective as far
as what it takes to be at an elite level.
So I know you like you love in the NFL
when so and so was talking on the air, and
they describe perfectly perfectly what is happening and why it's happening,
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and then a state in layman's term, and they described
John Madden in his heyday, and that's that's a great
that's a great analysts that can describe things in everyday language.
But it's still wide, very descriptive.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It really is what separates great analysts from just okay analysts,
the folks that can simplify complicated terms, complicated concepts in
the game enough for the average fan, but also speak
to a fan who's a little bit more educated. It's
a delicate balance, and people somehow find a way to
maintain that balance and are really good at in football
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and basketball everywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, football is the ultive because you have a built
in chance to describe what's going on in between when
you're in a huddle. See basketball, it's more most times
it's a dead ball or the ball coming up the floor,
and the analyst is talking, then gets out of it
and then they're played by a play person takes over.
And so yesteryear was confusing, where sometimes in jazz basketball
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there's a simulcast. So hot Rod Hunley was doing the
games on TV but also with a radio description because
they run both. And then thank god, they came to
the census and divided it up. Well, hard By did
the games only on TV, and then they brought in
a very talented David Locke to do the games in
the radio. About roughly I'm guessing about fifteen years ago. Go.
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So that's what that's the beauty of it. And it's
so important to enhance the viewership because you want to
listen to that person what they're saying.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Did you ever did you ever have a little itch
to maybe try some broadcasting stuff, Cordy, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
The answer is yes. I have a long long time
of the in between jobs. I was an analyst also
it's called USA TV back East, and so we did
some games there and it was it was a good
learning experience and it helped me become a coach also
later on as far as you might have got back
into coaching, because again you're able to have to speak
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almost like in sound bites because you have to get
out of it. And likewise, now this generation, you can't
ram as a coach, you cannot ramble on the players
can't process it. So we as the adult in the room,
we have to adjust to the players versus the players
adjust to us. As far as communication skills, and I
say it old times when I do these workshops with
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a coach, is that you've got to be able to
talk and get out of it, but you can't overtalk.
And it's that unbelievable fine line.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
All right, gor, do you have a list for us today?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You know, list today, Sean. I've been thinking about banging around,
you know, showing like throone elbows and so this is
my list today is Utah Jazz career franchise leaders in
total rebounds. So let's bang in the r ning Sean
total rebounds wearing a jazz uniform. Quickly, what is some
of the attributes? One technique and that's everything timing, physicality, positioning,
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multiple efforts, instincts and foot speed, especially chasing down along
miss point shots. So here's my list today. They are
the top ten jazz career rebound is number ten, vastly underraty.
Before I say his name, Paul Milshep grabbed three thousand
and seven ninety two and number nine. The bouncy Rusian
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comet Andre Klaerlinko grabbed three thousand and eight thirty six,
Number eight. Our colleague often on the radio shown Big
t Fell Belly eighth all time three thousand, eight hundred
and eighty one, Number seven. Rich Kelly played back to
the jazz in the seventies and early eighties three thousand,
ninety seventy two, Number six Great Oakstek three thousand and
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nine seventy eight, number five at six foot one, fifth
all time. Most of his rebounds were chased down carums
with he won the foot race. John Stockton grabbed four
thousand and fifty one rebounds Number four, vastly underrated. Derek
Favors fourth all time in jazz history with four thousand,
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six twenty six Number three, Mark Eaton six thousand, nine
thirty nine, number two. The Frenchman Rudy Gobert, he played
for the Jazz for nine years. He gribbed seven thousand,
one hundred and nineteen rebounds, which comes to eleven point
seven rebounds per game and the number one rebounding and
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history of Jazz franchise. I saw most of them throwing
flying elbows in the lane. Call them alone with the
Jazz eighteen season call a miss fourteen thousand, six hundred
and one rebounds, which comes to ten point two rebounds
per game. In the present tense, Probably Walker Tester's going
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to join this list someday where Walker right now entering
his fourth NBA season, Worker has got one thousand, eight
hundred and eight total rebounds for nine point two rebounds
per game. Thus Sean let's battle in the lane.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Wow, Gordy, you're the man.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Sean. I know, Sean, you love to hit people as
far as Lee.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Here's the thing, I uh, I wasn't late. I was
not good at anything in basketball except for using my
fouls and rebounding and occasionally occasionally I would make a
defensive play without fouling anybody.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So I like that.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
List well said, I love it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Thank you, Gordy. I always appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Look, basketball season, the downtime where we're gonna we're gonna
we're not terminating our our visits, but we're gonna scale
them back for the for the uh the rest of
the summer.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
It sounds like starting when.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I think starting next next Thursday, August seventy. Yeah, all right,
so one more week because usually in the NBA this
week right now, there'll be a lot of still signing
check so a last day will be for this season
will be next Thursday, August seventh. For the listeners, please
listening to show tonight. And we've had a great time
in the meantime.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
All right, Gordy, talk to you soon, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Thanks Sean. Peace out by Now
Speaker 4 (17:57):
That's Gordy chias our resident Nba Roo on The Sean
O'Connell Show.