October 7, 2025 • 22 mins
The BYU Sports Nation host on the toughest part of BYU's schedule starting on Saturday, Jack Kelly injured + more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I see.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
My father taught me in many things here. You know
what they say. They taught me keep your friends close,
put your enemies closer. Time to check in on that
tune down South.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
They have done absolutely nothing wrong but the blue.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I think she's the Red and Blue.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
On the Sean O'Connell Show at Utah's number one sports Talk,
the ESPN seven hundred ninety two one half an.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Little scream Kickston concessitate Parker Kickston? Who is suckond touchdown
at the game.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Parker Kingston touchdown as BYU smacked around West Virginia Friday
night courtesy of ESPN, and this Shrove on the call.
Time for a little check in with the team down South.
Jerem Jordan Yu Sports Nation joins us here on the
Sean O'Connell show.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Jerem, how are you.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'm doing great. Just at an unbelievable weekend with my
seven year old Tate, went up to Seattle to see
my Mariners, got the split, saw the Seahawks play the Bucks.
Fortunately lost at the buzzer, but unbelievable experience. It was
super fun. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Are you in possession of any of the cool throwback
merchandise of the Seahawks uniform. That Seahawks Bucks uniform matchup
was nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Back Again is Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It was two franchises celebrating their fiftieth seasons that joined
the NFL in seventy six. I already had my you know,
kind of royal blue sea blargein Jersey a year or
two ago, so I was prepared. I was ready to go.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well done. I like that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
All right, Well, I'm glad you had a good trip
to Seattle. Seattle has I think for me. San Francisco
was always my favorite American city to visit. It has
fallen on harder times a little bit, so I think
Seattle is all the way up there with me for me.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Now. I love Seattle.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It's a great place, great great spot, great town for sports.
I grew up in Portland before I moved to Utah,
and so Northwest ties and yeah, just beautiful city. Stayed
downtown with my seven year old Sante, had a great
time just scootering around town. And yeah, unfortunately unfortunately lost
two or three in the game too, but saw a
(02:21):
Mariner's home playoff win for the first time since oh
one had to be there for there.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
All right, let's talk about more pressing things here in
the state of Utah. BYU continues its march, and we
thought we would probably see this for the Koogs, you know,
not heavily tested in the early portion of the season,
at least from a schedule. On paper standpoint, they are
still undefeated. I think that the momentum is headed the
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right direction, with maybe the exception of your starting to
see a little bit of injury attrition, I guess we'll
go there.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
How how costly are.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
These these bumps and bruises and bang ups that the
Cougars are experiencing now as we hit into their sixth
or seventh game.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
The most visible of them is Jack Kelly obviously coming out,
you know, with what appeared to be an injured shoulder,
and there's no timeline publicly given quite yet. You hope
Jack is back for the Utah game. I would, you know,
I would be surprised if we played against Arizona. I
would love that. Of course, he's been so impactful. He
and Idad Glasker. Glasker came out with an ankle injury,
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could have come back in but JOI was up twenty one,
kind of mid third, so if they held him out,
they were fine. Good opportunity for a couple other guys
to get a chance, like Ace and Mike Kapussi and
Miles Hall in company. Jiony Mullen is a big deal.
RB two being out. I know we've talked about him
a bunch, really good blocker, good pass catcher, good running back.
Him being out's been an issue. Bear bachmeers had to
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run more. Here's a good runner, don't get me wrong,
but that's that's a problem. Those those are, in particular
Jojo Phillips at receiver too. I guess those four are
kind of only the massive ones for BYU right now,
and they're little sim frankly at receiver and running back.
Linebacker is going to be just unproven guys. Doesn't mean
they're can't show up and do stuff running back and
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receiver as well. But yeah, it's you know, they should
be five and zero, and they made plays to deserve
to be five and strength of records thirteenth FPI's twentieth
ranked eighteenth in the AP. So all's going great. Aaron
Roderick yesterday on Coordinator's Corner said he thinks these next
six games are the toughest in BUA history consecutively of
six in a row. They're all four and one are better.
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They could be ranked matchups in four or five of
the six by the time BUA gets to those, depending
on how BUYU is doing. But I mean, it's it's
wild because you look at the next six. At Arizona,
who's better than without preseason Utah is always tough game
no matter what. Obviously at Iowa State there's a bye
week luckily, at Texas Tech, at TIU at home at Cincinnati,
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who's kind of the AFU this year right now? Yeah,
the twelve. So today Spencer and I were talking about
this on BUO Sports Nation, Like, Okay, realistically, UCF on
the in the finale, we're like four and three would
probably be pretty good, and boy goes nine and three
in the regular season. They're a head of schedule with
the true freshman quarterback. I would love that. I mean,
if you don't play well and you have you are
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banged up, and it's you know, three and four, that
would be disappointing. Given the five and oh start. This
team's talented, they've got good coach and good depth, but
certain injuries can really influence things. So it's time for
boy's depth to show it.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So when we talk about somebody like Jack Kelly, and
I'm assuming that Glaster is going to be full go, because,
like you said, his sitting him was a little bit
more precautionary. If if Jack Kelly has to miss whatever
two or three games, we know that the production loss
is a significant one. But he's a guy, he's a
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transfer who has become, you know, a captain for this team.
He's a transfer has become a huge team leader for
this BYU defense that now is kind of the backbone
of the team. So take away his tackles for loss.
Take away his tackles, take away all that. What kind
of a loss is it from a leadership standpoint? If
you know, even if the backups come in and play well,
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they're not Jack Kelly from a leadership standpoint, So how
big is that the loss there if he's out extended time.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, he's not a vocal RaRo guy. He's just just
get on my back and I'll carry us guy. He's
Buy's most explosive rusher off the edge. They spy the
quarterback quite a bit with him, and once that quarterback
rolls out and he gets in the third year, forget
about it. Asked Kaden Salter about that a couple of times.
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I love that he pressures Salter Glasger intercepts the path
that steals the Colorado win. Bua's two backers, I mean
those two together, specifically, Andre andre Ware said on the
air he thinks, you know, they're one of the best
in college football. And if not, I mean those two
together have been unbelievable. They'd combined for thirteen TfL, six sacks,
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four quarterback hurries, two force fumbles. Well, by the way,
Jack Kelly picked up a blackfield going return to Poor
Boy's first touchdown of the season earlier this year, that
would be a big loss on the field. A guy
like Acekapusi had a really nice camp. He's probably the
guy that steps in that spot, as he did so
against West Virginia. So we'll see kind of if it's
by committee or one of the Kapussi boys gets a chance.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Jerem Jordan our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
Little Red and Blue, talking BYU Cougars, who are five
and oh top twenty five team coming off a win
over West Virginia that was very similar to how Utah
played West Virginia. They get up big and then the
foot comes off the gas pedal a little bit as
you're putting backups in and things like that. But a
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big statistical day for a freshman quarterback. Bear Bachmeyer, you
mentioned that you know you could be ahead of schedule
with a freshman quarterback. Is bear Bachmeyer individual? Is he
ahead of schedule based on what you've seen not only
against West Virginia but all the way up to this point.
I mean three hundred and fifty one yards passing for
a freshman who's supposed to be more of a dual threat,
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like not a pure passer type of guy. I don't
care if it's against West Virginia. That's a good day.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, that was great. And first thought on West Virginia
was you always should have won that by twenty five
or thirty point. They turned it over three times. That
was the issue. They gave two super short fields. One
was that the three one was at the twenty two.
West Virginia cashed in. There's fourteen of their points. I
mean it probably should have been forty five to ten
if boy had played a clean game, which they had
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been pretty clean up to that point that offense hadn't
turned it over. Suddenly they're turning it over three times
with some fumbles and some pitches battened down and whatnot.
So that was that was tough overall though, you just
in the Big twelve, you know, and this team with
the true freshman quarterback just win. I'm not overly concerned
about style points. I don't think you always at that
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level quite yet. I think that they can get there.
But bar Bachmeer's way ahead of schedule. Like he's been incredible.
His decision making has been awesome, the ability to push
it down the field for explosive plays. What we saw
in that game Friday night was big plays. In the
past game a little more. Boa only had a couple
of kind of forty plus plays and then they go
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forty seven fifty four to eighty five, which is the
longest pass play for UY since ninety six thirty five.
Twenty twenty one. You had a bunch of explosive pass plays,
which was great. That was a new wrinkle, that was
a new thing teams have to defend. Bar Bachmeyer is
one of the smartest quarterbacks he's ever had. Dude takes
like twenty credits to Stanford gets a four to zero
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as kind of spring semester comes to BYU like he
applies those smarts on the field. He makes good decisions,
he's athletic, He's able to make chrisp timely throws, decisive throws.
It's been awesome. I'm excited about the future for this
kid and the president. Frankly, everyone always looks to the few.
If you're all this, what about right now? Right now?
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Bart Bachmeyer is leading a five to zero team and
the ramp up has been good for him to prepare
for increasingly tougher challenges and he'll put more weight on
the bar out of Arizona seven.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
This this question is silly even as I say it,
because I mean, he's like third most productive receiver in
the league right now. But it feels like they could
still uncork more with Chase Roberts as he develops chemistry
with this freshman quarterback. He had a big game against
West Virginia. Obviously hasn't seen the end zone as often
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as I thought he would to this point so far
in the season. But is is there more to get
out of Chase Roberts?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You think in this offense I always do.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I think Chase is really good. So like, Chase
to me is kind of a sixth seventh round guy
that could be maybe maybe undrafted, and he could he
could play his way into that. But yeah, nearly twenty
yards a catch, almost four hundred yards and five games,
three touchdowns, I'm with you. Like Chase to me, in
any given game, could be a one hundred yard guy.
(11:06):
He's that kind of threat. He had eighty five on
one play. As we mentioned in the last game, his
hands are incredible. His ability to get separation. We saw
that against Colorado where he ran what he told me
was a star route kind of starts with a slant
and then opened up his hips to an arrow or whip.
He got five yards of separation. Like he can win
one on one battles in the big twelve, in a
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big moment, on a third down, on a fourth down. Yeah,
I always think Chase could do more. I just think
his abilities are really high. To me, he's one of
the top probably five receivers in BA history in terms
of athleticism, ability to make a play, game winning catches.
At Arkanentas a couple of years ago, he kind of
did the jumpman, one hander, he's got it all. And
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if BA targeted him four times a game, I'd be
happy it was five. On Friday he got four catches
for one sixty one.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Again probably equally silly. But is the same true for LG.
Martin because now you mentioned it. You know, with Sione Moa,
who I'm a big fan of and I think you
are too, with him experiencing a little bit of an
injury problem, you got to be perhaps more of a
bell cow if you're LG.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Martin.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
He's already six and a half yards of carry, He's
already basically add one hundred yards a game.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Do they lean more heavily on him?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's a good point too, Yes, And he's he's got
a few Nixon bruses as well, just going through the
regular rigamarole of a season being running back, get twenty
one carries, which is a good number. I like that.
The fact that he goes for ninety was good. Twenty
one was a season high. He'd gone eight eighteen fourteen, fifteen,
and he'd got one thirty one one ten one, one
fifty eight against Colorado. They kind of loaded up on
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him and that opened up Bear. That's what they saw
in the game and then against West Virginia. Yeah, two
touchdowns for him, which was great. I would love for
him to continue to get. Yeah, fifteen to twenty carries
a game, and he's a good player. He's a chain mover.
And Aaron Roderck kind of situationally as saying, what are
they giving us? What am I setting up right now
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for later? And this old line I think has been
underrated too with how they performed with two brand new tackles,
But these are two of the highest rated tackles in
the Big Twelve. And Isaiah Jada and Andrew Gentry and yeah,
keep it going because the identity is the run game.
But if West Virginia is going to load up on that,
bear showed he can chuck it for three fifty one,
which is awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Let's talk about what happens for BYU this weekend. Arizona,
as you already mentioned, is a much better team than
we thought they were going to be. That's that's true
of Houston, that's true of Cincinnati, that's true of Arizona.
The Big Twelve continues to surprise, and I guess that's
just something we'll have to get used to with this conference.
As both teams stay in it. I don't know how
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much film study you've been able to do. I don't
know how deep you've gone on your dive into Arizona.
But why are the Wildcats so much more successful to
this point in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I'm seeing that their defense is way better. So there's
desert swarm his back question mark sixth in defensive success
rate to the only FBS defense that has not allowed
a passing touchdown their eighth and third and fourth down
success the twelfth and picks the twenty five in rush
yards allowed per game under one hundred. If he was
fifteenth by the way in rush yards per game, I
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think that matchup will be who can establish the ground
game or or not allowed right, So I think the
defense kind of led the way, which is interesting to Arizona.
You lose to Ron McMillan and you get better. I
mean it is a junior no Fefeina. He has more
time in his second year with Brent Brennan running the
show there. They wanted him out midway through last year,
but he's shown this year, hey give me some time,
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we can make it happen. So this will be an
increasingly tougher challenge for BYU, but Kline's take historically four
to zero against Arizona in four different places by the Vegas, Glendale,
Tucson provo, and he hopes to make it five and
zero and two to zero and Tucson. So it is
a it is a better defense, that's defense UI has
played so far Saturday.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So do you think we see like kind of a
low scoring slug it out type situation?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Is that how this game?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Like does the paper translate to what we actually see
on the field.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, I wonder if it's like a twenty four to
twenty one kind of kind of games. Obviously BYU turning
over three times last week kept West Virginia sort of
within somewhat striking distance at times. I don't think you
can do that with this Arizona defense and give them
short fields. I think the feeda End company are kind
of figuring it out a little more. And this will be,
you know, just the second power for road start for
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Bear like you've had. You got to taste that Colorado
obviously ECU and non conference across the country. So I'm
excited to watch it. I think it's going to be
an interesting game and it's kind of a separation game
of who's going where in the big twelve and what
kind of wins can you compile, And frankly, I think
if UYU wins against Arizona, they've got a good chance
to go at least four and three in the final seven.
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If they don't, it might be kind of a three
and fourish, So it's a big swing game.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I think it's interesting that you know, both BYU and
Utah are kind of entering this meaty part of the
schedule where the season is going to be decided here,
and of course they meet one another in week two
of that. I don't think on paper at the beginning
of the season I had it projected exactly that way
(16:21):
for BYU. I thought with Utah I was going to
be the Texas Tech game, big crazy test, and then
Arizona State BYU, et cetera, where you're going to really
figure out what you have. You and I have talked
about this ad nauseum that you know, by you could
get to six and oh and we still might not
know really how good they are as a team now
that Arizona is better than we thought they would be.
(16:43):
If BYU is six and zero, heading into Holy War
rivalry week, Will we know more about them than we
thought when we had this conversation five weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yes, because we will have seen at least, you know,
Arizona would be to me like, Okay, how do they
perform in that game? And if Utah rebounds against Arizona State,
I think they're going to feel like, Okay, it's not
as bad as we thought. I think Utah fans, probably
after the Text Tech game, are feeling like this guy
was falling in the offense stinks and then here we
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go again. No, n I just wanted to last week
at West Virginia. But big game with ASU, and let's
be honest, that's a little little kind of trap game
for both these teams. Frankly, kind of thinking about next week.
I think I think they are dialed in and they
have important, big games this week, but it is next week.
It's like creeping up on us like that YU and
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Utah are going to be playing here at the end
of next week, which is crazy to me, but huge
games for both against teams from Arizona. And so I'm
I'm interested to watch Utah Arizona State. I'm interested to
watch your Arizona because those two teams are going to
walk in. I mean, there's a there's a chance that's
six and OVERSUS five and one, like, come on, that's epic.
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Have you taken a look at this, uh this defensive
stop rate list as we go into week seven.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
From ESPN No, no talking to me, okay.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So defensive stop rate is what it sounds like, the
basic measurement of success the percentage of defenses drives that
end in punt turnover or turnover on downs for the
opposing offense. Right so number one in the country last
year was the eventual national champion, Ohio State. Right now,
number one in the country is Texas Tech. That's important
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I think to note. But BYU comes in at number
nineteen nationally right now in defensive stop rate. Arizona, who
we've been talking about plenty for obvious reason, comes in
at number twenty one. Utah comes in at number twenty
four right now, seventy four percent, it's seventy three point eight,
but seventy four percent of BYU's defensive drives end in
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a stop, which is good enough for nineteenth in the country.
So Jay Hills Defense can te used to impress there
on that top twenty five nationally relevant scale.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
As a defense, it's a big time and I think
the matchup of good defenses is going to be interesting.
And is that Jack Kelly with Jack Kelly against Utah
for byam, You know that that will make a big difference.
How how is he feeling? Yeah, and that's a big
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difference for Arizona. I'm seeing Arizona stayed on this list
of forty eight, like decent, but not quite the same.
Arizona State's going to try and outshoot you. And you
know the thing that a team like Utah could do
that TCU did not when they were up seventeen a
week ago a week and Africo on a Friday, was
to run the ball and milks and clock like TCU's
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refusal to run it is just mind blowing. They blew
a massive lead on the road at Arizona State where
they could have really sent ASU down a spiling spot instead,
the sun levels are still in this thing and uh yeah,
big big game Friday. I like that number though defensive stoppery.
I love that b A and Utah a top twenty five.
That'll be a fun match up.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
If b Yu's defense continues to dominate. James just whispered this,
can we workshop?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
This?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Can we it? Could it be desiret Swarm all night?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's really good swarm presented by Desert Industry.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I can't I can't take credit for it. That was James.
But this good work, the Deseret Swarm.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Like if they shut out Arizona or something, that's gotta
be a headline somewhere.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Hey, I'm borrowing that. I'm giving no credit.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You know what you deserve. You could you could keep it,
you could have it, you could call it yours.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
You contribute so much to the show every week. That's
that's our repayment.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah. Sorry, I can't credit the Home of the Youths
for that one. That's just that is not gonna work.
All right, let's just be honest. But that's great Desert Swarm.
Oh yeah, that's money for saying.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I'll use my I'll use my burner account on cougar
Board to just ridicule you. If you steal it from us,
it's fine, don't you go my l or something. Yes,
I thought people didn't know. Dang it, I've been found out.
I gotta I gotta create another one. Oh, you're the man, Jerem.
I appreciate your time as always. Enjoyed this weekend, and
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then when we talk next week, it'll be a much
more combative stance.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay, just be roight.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, it's like it's all been like fun and games
and very cordial and whatnot. It's on baby, next week.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Let's go, baby, and I sincerely hope it is six
and o versus five and one because.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
We need that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
We need a big holy war game for both teams.
Not just hey, we're trying to have a great season,
we're trying to spoil your great season, like conference championship implications.
That's why we wanted these two teams in the same
conference together.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
We got it. Hopefully that's what we get next week.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I'm still upset this game is not November twenty ninth
or whatever. We had it. We had it off and
on there. I'm just cloud its every year and so
it should be a ton of fun coming up next week.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
All right, we'll chat with you then. Thank you, Jerem.
Thanks yep, Jerem. Jordan Red and Blue
I see.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
My father taught me in many things here. You know
what they say. They taught me keep your friends close,
put your enemies closer. Time to check in on that
tune down South.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
They have done absolutely nothing wrong but the blue.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I think she's the Red and Blue.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
On the Sean O'Connell Show at Utah's number one sports Talk,
the ESPN seven hundred ninety two one half an.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Little scream Kickston concessitate Parker Kickston? Who is suckond touchdown
at the game.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Parker Kingston touchdown as BYU smacked around West Virginia Friday
night courtesy of ESPN, and this Shrove on the call.
Time for a little check in with the team down South.
Jerem Jordan Yu Sports Nation joins us here on the
Sean O'Connell show.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Jerem, how are you.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'm doing great. Just at an unbelievable weekend with my
seven year old Tate, went up to Seattle to see
my Mariners, got the split, saw the Seahawks play the Bucks.
Fortunately lost at the buzzer, but unbelievable experience. It was
super fun. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Are you in possession of any of the cool throwback
merchandise of the Seahawks uniform. That Seahawks Bucks uniform matchup
was nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Back Again is Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It was two franchises celebrating their fiftieth seasons that joined
the NFL in seventy six. I already had my you know,
kind of royal blue sea blargein Jersey a year or
two ago, so I was prepared. I was ready to go.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well done. I like that.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
All right, Well, I'm glad you had a good trip
to Seattle. Seattle has I think for me. San Francisco
was always my favorite American city to visit. It has
fallen on harder times a little bit, so I think
Seattle is all the way up there with me for me.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Now. I love Seattle.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It's a great place, great great spot, great town for sports.
I grew up in Portland before I moved to Utah,
and so Northwest ties and yeah, just beautiful city. Stayed
downtown with my seven year old Sante, had a great
time just scootering around town. And yeah, unfortunately unfortunately lost
two or three in the game too, but saw a
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Mariner's home playoff win for the first time since oh
one had to be there for there.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
All right, let's talk about more pressing things here in
the state of Utah. BYU continues its march, and we
thought we would probably see this for the Koogs, you know,
not heavily tested in the early portion of the season,
at least from a schedule. On paper standpoint, they are
still undefeated. I think that the momentum is headed the
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right direction, with maybe the exception of your starting to
see a little bit of injury attrition, I guess we'll
go there.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
How how costly are.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
These these bumps and bruises and bang ups that the
Cougars are experiencing now as we hit into their sixth
or seventh game.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
The most visible of them is Jack Kelly obviously coming out,
you know, with what appeared to be an injured shoulder,
and there's no timeline publicly given quite yet. You hope
Jack is back for the Utah game. I would, you know,
I would be surprised if we played against Arizona. I
would love that. Of course, he's been so impactful. He
and Idad Glasker. Glasker came out with an ankle injury,
(03:27):
could have come back in but JOI was up twenty one,
kind of mid third, so if they held him out,
they were fine. Good opportunity for a couple other guys
to get a chance, like Ace and Mike Kapussi and
Miles Hall in company. Jiony Mullen is a big deal.
RB two being out. I know we've talked about him
a bunch, really good blocker, good pass catcher, good running back.
Him being out's been an issue. Bear bachmeers had to
(03:49):
run more. Here's a good runner, don't get me wrong,
but that's that's a problem. Those those are, in particular
Jojo Phillips at receiver too. I guess those four are
kind of only the massive ones for BYU right now,
and they're little sim frankly at receiver and running back.
Linebacker is going to be just unproven guys. Doesn't mean
they're can't show up and do stuff running back and
(04:12):
receiver as well. But yeah, it's you know, they should
be five and zero, and they made plays to deserve
to be five and strength of records thirteenth FPI's twentieth
ranked eighteenth in the AP. So all's going great. Aaron
Roderick yesterday on Coordinator's Corner said he thinks these next
six games are the toughest in BUA history consecutively of
six in a row. They're all four and one are better.
(04:33):
They could be ranked matchups in four or five of
the six by the time BUA gets to those, depending
on how BUYU is doing. But I mean, it's it's
wild because you look at the next six. At Arizona,
who's better than without preseason Utah is always tough game
no matter what. Obviously at Iowa State there's a bye
week luckily, at Texas Tech, at TIU at home at Cincinnati,
(04:57):
who's kind of the AFU this year right now? Yeah,
the twelve. So today Spencer and I were talking about
this on BUO Sports Nation, Like, Okay, realistically, UCF on
the in the finale, we're like four and three would
probably be pretty good, and boy goes nine and three
in the regular season. They're a head of schedule with
the true freshman quarterback. I would love that. I mean,
if you don't play well and you have you are
(05:18):
banged up, and it's you know, three and four, that
would be disappointing. Given the five and oh start. This
team's talented, they've got good coach and good depth, but
certain injuries can really influence things. So it's time for
boy's depth to show it.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So when we talk about somebody like Jack Kelly, and
I'm assuming that Glaster is going to be full go, because,
like you said, his sitting him was a little bit
more precautionary. If if Jack Kelly has to miss whatever
two or three games, we know that the production loss
is a significant one. But he's a guy, he's a
(05:55):
transfer who has become, you know, a captain for this team.
He's a transfer has become a huge team leader for
this BYU defense that now is kind of the backbone
of the team. So take away his tackles for loss.
Take away his tackles, take away all that. What kind
of a loss is it from a leadership standpoint? If
you know, even if the backups come in and play well,
(06:16):
they're not Jack Kelly from a leadership standpoint, So how
big is that the loss there if he's out extended time.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, he's not a vocal RaRo guy. He's just just
get on my back and I'll carry us guy. He's
Buy's most explosive rusher off the edge. They spy the
quarterback quite a bit with him, and once that quarterback
rolls out and he gets in the third year, forget
about it. Asked Kaden Salter about that a couple of times.
(06:44):
I love that he pressures Salter Glasger intercepts the path
that steals the Colorado win. Bua's two backers, I mean
those two together, specifically, Andre andre Ware said on the
air he thinks, you know, they're one of the best
in college football. And if not, I mean those two
together have been unbelievable. They'd combined for thirteen TfL, six sacks,
(07:06):
four quarterback hurries, two force fumbles. Well, by the way,
Jack Kelly picked up a blackfield going return to Poor
Boy's first touchdown of the season earlier this year, that
would be a big loss on the field. A guy
like Acekapusi had a really nice camp. He's probably the
guy that steps in that spot, as he did so
against West Virginia. So we'll see kind of if it's
by committee or one of the Kapussi boys gets a chance.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Jerem Jordan our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
Little Red and Blue, talking BYU Cougars, who are five
and oh top twenty five team coming off a win
over West Virginia that was very similar to how Utah
played West Virginia. They get up big and then the
foot comes off the gas pedal a little bit as
you're putting backups in and things like that. But a
(07:50):
big statistical day for a freshman quarterback. Bear Bachmeyer, you
mentioned that you know you could be ahead of schedule
with a freshman quarterback. Is bear Bachmeyer individual? Is he
ahead of schedule based on what you've seen not only
against West Virginia but all the way up to this point.
I mean three hundred and fifty one yards passing for
a freshman who's supposed to be more of a dual threat,
(08:12):
like not a pure passer type of guy. I don't
care if it's against West Virginia. That's a good day.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, that was great. And first thought on West Virginia
was you always should have won that by twenty five
or thirty point. They turned it over three times. That
was the issue. They gave two super short fields. One
was that the three one was at the twenty two.
West Virginia cashed in. There's fourteen of their points. I
mean it probably should have been forty five to ten
if boy had played a clean game, which they had
(08:40):
been pretty clean up to that point that offense hadn't
turned it over. Suddenly they're turning it over three times
with some fumbles and some pitches battened down and whatnot.
So that was that was tough overall though, you just
in the Big twelve, you know, and this team with
the true freshman quarterback just win. I'm not overly concerned
about style points. I don't think you always at that
(09:00):
level quite yet. I think that they can get there.
But bar Bachmeer's way ahead of schedule. Like he's been incredible.
His decision making has been awesome, the ability to push
it down the field for explosive plays. What we saw
in that game Friday night was big plays. In the
past game a little more. Boa only had a couple
of kind of forty plus plays and then they go
(09:21):
forty seven fifty four to eighty five, which is the
longest pass play for UY since ninety six thirty five.
Twenty twenty one. You had a bunch of explosive pass plays,
which was great. That was a new wrinkle, that was
a new thing teams have to defend. Bar Bachmeyer is
one of the smartest quarterbacks he's ever had. Dude takes
like twenty credits to Stanford gets a four to zero
(09:42):
as kind of spring semester comes to BYU like he
applies those smarts on the field. He makes good decisions,
he's athletic, He's able to make chrisp timely throws, decisive throws.
It's been awesome. I'm excited about the future for this
kid and the president. Frankly, everyone always looks to the few.
If you're all this, what about right now? Right now?
(10:02):
Bart Bachmeyer is leading a five to zero team and
the ramp up has been good for him to prepare
for increasingly tougher challenges and he'll put more weight on
the bar out of Arizona seven.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
This this question is silly even as I say it,
because I mean, he's like third most productive receiver in
the league right now. But it feels like they could
still uncork more with Chase Roberts as he develops chemistry
with this freshman quarterback. He had a big game against
West Virginia. Obviously hasn't seen the end zone as often
(10:34):
as I thought he would to this point so far
in the season. But is is there more to get
out of Chase Roberts?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You think in this offense I always do.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I think Chase is really good. So like, Chase
to me is kind of a sixth seventh round guy
that could be maybe maybe undrafted, and he could he
could play his way into that. But yeah, nearly twenty
yards a catch, almost four hundred yards and five games,
three touchdowns, I'm with you. Like Chase to me, in
any given game, could be a one hundred yard guy.
(11:06):
He's that kind of threat. He had eighty five on
one play. As we mentioned in the last game, his
hands are incredible. His ability to get separation. We saw
that against Colorado where he ran what he told me
was a star route kind of starts with a slant
and then opened up his hips to an arrow or whip.
He got five yards of separation. Like he can win
one on one battles in the big twelve, in a
(11:27):
big moment, on a third down, on a fourth down. Yeah,
I always think Chase could do more. I just think
his abilities are really high. To me, he's one of
the top probably five receivers in BA history in terms
of athleticism, ability to make a play, game winning catches.
At Arkanentas a couple of years ago, he kind of
did the jumpman, one hander, he's got it all. And
(11:48):
if BA targeted him four times a game, I'd be
happy it was five. On Friday he got four catches
for one sixty one.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Again probably equally silly. But is the same true for LG.
Martin because now you mentioned it. You know, with Sione Moa,
who I'm a big fan of and I think you
are too, with him experiencing a little bit of an
injury problem, you got to be perhaps more of a
bell cow if you're LG.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Martin.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
He's already six and a half yards of carry, He's
already basically add one hundred yards a game.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Do they lean more heavily on him?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's a good point too, Yes, And he's he's got
a few Nixon bruses as well, just going through the
regular rigamarole of a season being running back, get twenty
one carries, which is a good number. I like that.
The fact that he goes for ninety was good. Twenty
one was a season high. He'd gone eight eighteen fourteen, fifteen,
and he'd got one thirty one one ten one, one
fifty eight against Colorado. They kind of loaded up on
(12:44):
him and that opened up Bear. That's what they saw
in the game and then against West Virginia. Yeah, two
touchdowns for him, which was great. I would love for
him to continue to get. Yeah, fifteen to twenty carries
a game, and he's a good player. He's a chain mover.
And Aaron Roderck kind of situationally as saying, what are
they giving us? What am I setting up right now
(13:05):
for later? And this old line I think has been
underrated too with how they performed with two brand new tackles,
But these are two of the highest rated tackles in
the Big Twelve. And Isaiah Jada and Andrew Gentry and yeah,
keep it going because the identity is the run game.
But if West Virginia is going to load up on that,
bear showed he can chuck it for three fifty one,
which is awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Let's talk about what happens for BYU this weekend. Arizona,
as you already mentioned, is a much better team than
we thought they were going to be. That's that's true
of Houston, that's true of Cincinnati, that's true of Arizona.
The Big Twelve continues to surprise, and I guess that's
just something we'll have to get used to with this conference.
As both teams stay in it. I don't know how
(13:47):
much film study you've been able to do. I don't
know how deep you've gone on your dive into Arizona.
But why are the Wildcats so much more successful to
this point in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I'm seeing that their defense is way better. So there's
desert swarm his back question mark sixth in defensive success
rate to the only FBS defense that has not allowed
a passing touchdown their eighth and third and fourth down
success the twelfth and picks the twenty five in rush
yards allowed per game under one hundred. If he was
fifteenth by the way in rush yards per game, I
(14:18):
think that matchup will be who can establish the ground
game or or not allowed right, So I think the
defense kind of led the way, which is interesting to Arizona.
You lose to Ron McMillan and you get better. I
mean it is a junior no Fefeina. He has more
time in his second year with Brent Brennan running the
show there. They wanted him out midway through last year,
but he's shown this year, hey give me some time,
(14:41):
we can make it happen. So this will be an
increasingly tougher challenge for BYU, but Kline's take historically four
to zero against Arizona in four different places by the Vegas, Glendale,
Tucson provo, and he hopes to make it five and
zero and two to zero and Tucson. So it is
a it is a better defense, that's defense UI has
played so far Saturday.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So do you think we see like kind of a
low scoring slug it out type situation?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Is that how this game?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Like does the paper translate to what we actually see
on the field.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, I wonder if it's like a twenty four to
twenty one kind of kind of games. Obviously BYU turning
over three times last week kept West Virginia sort of
within somewhat striking distance at times. I don't think you
can do that with this Arizona defense and give them
short fields. I think the feeda End company are kind
of figuring it out a little more. And this will be,
you know, just the second power for road start for
(15:36):
Bear like you've had. You got to taste that Colorado
obviously ECU and non conference across the country. So I'm
excited to watch it. I think it's going to be
an interesting game and it's kind of a separation game
of who's going where in the big twelve and what
kind of wins can you compile, And frankly, I think
if UYU wins against Arizona, they've got a good chance
to go at least four and three in the final seven.
(15:56):
If they don't, it might be kind of a three
and fourish, So it's a big swing game.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I think it's interesting that you know, both BYU and
Utah are kind of entering this meaty part of the
schedule where the season is going to be decided here,
and of course they meet one another in week two
of that. I don't think on paper at the beginning
of the season I had it projected exactly that way
(16:21):
for BYU. I thought with Utah I was going to
be the Texas Tech game, big crazy test, and then
Arizona State BYU, et cetera, where you're going to really
figure out what you have. You and I have talked
about this ad nauseum that you know, by you could
get to six and oh and we still might not
know really how good they are as a team now
that Arizona is better than we thought they would be.
(16:43):
If BYU is six and zero, heading into Holy War
rivalry week, Will we know more about them than we
thought when we had this conversation five weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yes, because we will have seen at least, you know,
Arizona would be to me like, Okay, how do they
perform in that game? And if Utah rebounds against Arizona State,
I think they're going to feel like, Okay, it's not
as bad as we thought. I think Utah fans, probably
after the Text Tech game, are feeling like this guy
was falling in the offense stinks and then here we
(17:15):
go again. No, n I just wanted to last week
at West Virginia. But big game with ASU, and let's
be honest, that's a little little kind of trap game
for both these teams. Frankly, kind of thinking about next week.
I think I think they are dialed in and they
have important, big games this week, but it is next week.
It's like creeping up on us like that YU and
(17:37):
Utah are going to be playing here at the end
of next week, which is crazy to me, but huge
games for both against teams from Arizona. And so I'm
I'm interested to watch Utah Arizona State. I'm interested to
watch your Arizona because those two teams are going to
walk in. I mean, there's a there's a chance that's
six and OVERSUS five and one, like, come on, that's epic.
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Have you taken a look at this, uh this defensive
stop rate list as we go into week seven.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
From ESPN No, no talking to me, okay.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So defensive stop rate is what it sounds like, the
basic measurement of success the percentage of defenses drives that
end in punt turnover or turnover on downs for the
opposing offense. Right so number one in the country last
year was the eventual national champion, Ohio State. Right now,
number one in the country is Texas Tech. That's important
(18:33):
I think to note. But BYU comes in at number
nineteen nationally right now in defensive stop rate. Arizona, who
we've been talking about plenty for obvious reason, comes in
at number twenty one. Utah comes in at number twenty
four right now, seventy four percent, it's seventy three point eight,
but seventy four percent of BYU's defensive drives end in
(18:55):
a stop, which is good enough for nineteenth in the country.
So Jay Hills Defense can te used to impress there
on that top twenty five nationally relevant scale.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
As a defense, it's a big time and I think
the matchup of good defenses is going to be interesting.
And is that Jack Kelly with Jack Kelly against Utah
for byam, You know that that will make a big difference.
How how is he feeling? Yeah, and that's a big
(19:25):
difference for Arizona. I'm seeing Arizona stayed on this list
of forty eight, like decent, but not quite the same.
Arizona State's going to try and outshoot you. And you
know the thing that a team like Utah could do
that TCU did not when they were up seventeen a
week ago a week and Africo on a Friday, was
to run the ball and milks and clock like TCU's
(19:47):
refusal to run it is just mind blowing. They blew
a massive lead on the road at Arizona State where
they could have really sent ASU down a spiling spot instead,
the sun levels are still in this thing and uh yeah,
big big game Friday. I like that number though defensive stoppery.
I love that b A and Utah a top twenty five.
That'll be a fun match up.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
If b Yu's defense continues to dominate. James just whispered this,
can we workshop?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
This?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Can we it? Could it be desiret Swarm all night?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's really good swarm presented by Desert Industry.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I can't I can't take credit for it. That was James.
But this good work, the Deseret Swarm.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Like if they shut out Arizona or something, that's gotta
be a headline somewhere.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Hey, I'm borrowing that. I'm giving no credit.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You know what you deserve. You could you could keep it,
you could have it, you could call it yours.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
You contribute so much to the show every week. That's
that's our repayment.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah. Sorry, I can't credit the Home of the Youths
for that one. That's just that is not gonna work.
All right, let's just be honest. But that's great Desert Swarm.
Oh yeah, that's money for saying.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I'll use my I'll use my burner account on cougar
Board to just ridicule you. If you steal it from us,
it's fine, don't you go my l or something. Yes,
I thought people didn't know. Dang it, I've been found out.
I gotta I gotta create another one. Oh, you're the man, Jerem.
I appreciate your time as always. Enjoyed this weekend, and
(21:22):
then when we talk next week, it'll be a much
more combative stance.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay, just be roight.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, it's like it's all been like fun and games
and very cordial and whatnot. It's on baby, next week.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Let's go, baby, and I sincerely hope it is six
and o versus five and one because.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
We need that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
We need a big holy war game for both teams.
Not just hey, we're trying to have a great season,
we're trying to spoil your great season, like conference championship implications.
That's why we wanted these two teams in the same
conference together.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
We got it. Hopefully that's what we get next week.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I'm still upset this game is not November twenty ninth
or whatever. We had it. We had it off and
on there. I'm just cloud its every year and so
it should be a ton of fun coming up next week.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
All right, we'll chat with you then. Thank you, Jerem.
Thanks yep, Jerem. Jordan Red and Blue
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