Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 7-30-25

OC talks Utah Mammoth in Between the Pipes with Adrian Denny, Utah Jazz with Craig Bolerjack, Utah Football offensive over/unders, Start/Bench/Cut Adam Sandler movies, Camp Kyle beginning today + more

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
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That'd be a humped everybody, and welcome to the Shan
O'Connell Show.

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Let have you with us.

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As is always the case, it is a very very
very very very very special day if you're a Utah
football fan, if you're a college football fan, if you're
someone who has been holding your breath since well, for
Utah fans December, but for the average college football fan

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since probably sometime mid late December, maybe January.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Camp is open.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Baby football season is right around the corner. Helmets are clacking,
pads are thudding, Sprints are being run. Practice, practice, practice,
Utah Football Camp Camp Kyle officially begins today. We will
have our first media availabilities. Actually during this show, Jason

(01:26):
Beck and Morgan Scally will be made available. And then
this afternoon, late afternoon, Kyle Whittingham will address the gathered
media for the first time of the twenty twenty five season.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Very much looking forward to it.

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Fingers are crossed every superstition that you can possibly imagine.

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Check it off the box.

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the the levels of the light dialed in with Spencer,
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good on camera is probably a different conversation. I am
wearing some pretty slick jorts, though, so you can always
count on that.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
I'm not sure there's there's any adjustments that we can
do to help you oc or me for that matter,
especially if you're wearing the jorts. But anyway, I digress.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
All right, So I promised you we would do some
over unders today. The start bench cut is actually it's
just a pop culture one today because I want to
do over unders instead of start bench cut. Over unders
for some important what I think are crucial Utah football
stats and will flesh out how I can to the numbers.
I'm setting you over under at and we'll flesh out

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whether or not we think Utah will hit those or not.
The start Bench cut is going to be pop culture related.
I don't know if you've seen it yet, James. Have
you watched Happy Gilmore Too on the old Netflix.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
I haven't had a chance to yet, but I am
really looking forward to the time when I can carve
out some time. It's a lot harder to watch things
for yourself when you got the newborn at home.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm finding oc Yes, I've got it on the list.
Welcome to the world of parenthood. It's just how it's
going to be for the foreseeable future. Quite frankly. But
in honor of Happy Gilmore Too, which I finally got
around to watching, We're gonna do a start Bench cut
of Adam Sandler's not exactly classics, all right, You got

(03:50):
to take Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison out. Those two
are on their own level. They're on their own echelon
of movies that Adam Sandler has been responsible for, starred in, produced,
et cetera. So I'm going to do a start bench
cut of Adam Sandler not quite instant classics.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Is this so with some of these other some of
these other start bench cut pop culture ones you found
like the top grossing things?

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Is this?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Is this based on your own opinion or did you
find like statistics that said these these ones are.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Top performing, his top performing movies outside of Happy Gilmore,
Billy Mattison, Okay, okay, ready for it? And these are
the This Is Big Daddy, fifty First Dates and The
water Boy. Now, mister Deed's probably deserves some kind of
honorable mention. There Blended, which was like another hym and

(04:51):
Drew Barrymore family comedy type thing where the wedding singer,
the wedding singer the original.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Adam Sandler Drew Barrymore class.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, singer is also really good, so good, you know what,
there might actually be a metric where I could get
at I could get wedding singer in there.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Hold on one of my favorite Adam Sandler movies. It's
a good A good pick by you, good pull by you.
As far as honorable mentions with mister Deed's as well,
I feel like that one is not quite as appreciated
as others, but it's also very good.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
The the other thing here is that grown Ups, the
grown Ups series grown Ups one, Yeah, grown Ups one
is actually a very strong performer in his and not surprised.
The Hotel Transylvania movies are actually his three highest grossing movies.
Those are also like sometimes as an adult, you're especially

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if you don't have kids, you're like, Okay, let's let's
check out this.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Let's check out this cartoon. It's probably not gonna be
that great, and you're like, oh, this is actually really good.
That's Hotel Transylvania. Uh So that one's actually really good,
one of my favorite of the more recent cartoon series.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
So, okay, do we want to go? You know what,
I'm gonna make an executive decision here. Okay, I'm gonna
say a wedding singer instead of oh, instead.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Of water water Boy.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
See.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I love all three, all four of those movies for
Adam Sandler, but I might have replaced Fifty First Dates
instead of.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Water Boy. Okay, here's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
We're keeping fifty First Dates okay, and we're putting water
Boy back in because this is a sports show. Yeah, yeah,
we got to have the sports movie in. Is Big
Daddy the one that we should move? It might be,
but I love Big Daddy and Big Daddy was I mean,
Big Daddy was a like that that you if you
talk about box So there's you know, there's the box

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office performance.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
All of his old.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Movies can't touch his new movies in box office because
we're talking about grossing. In the nineties, you weren't selling
tickets for seventeen dollars a piece and twenty two doe right,
it was like eight bucks to go to the movie
non matt today if you were getting the matinee price was.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
I missed those days, and I miss in Saint George
at least. Oh see, I'm sure there was plenty of
these kind of theaters around here in the Salt Lake
Valley along the Wahsatche Front, but we had not only
the dollar theater in addition to the the first run
movie theater that was full price, we also had like
a mid tier three dollar theater.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I mean, I missed those days. It used to be.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
It was like it was like when the the movies
first came out, they spent like a month in the
expensive one, and then they spent a month or two
in the mid one, and then another month or so
in the in the cheap one. Those were the days, man,
I miss when movies were affordable.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
My children love the Hotel Transylvania movies. Here's the thing.
I know, there's parents out there who like to take
their kids to the movie theater. I don't know what
age you actually have to get the kids too before
it makes sense to take all of them. But you know,
my six year old, she can sit through an entire
movie at the movie theater kind of appreciates that all

(08:09):
this is cool. You get the you know, bucket of
popcorn or whatever, which, by the way, my parents never
once got for us growing up. And I don't know
why I spoil them out my children this way. My
three and a half ever got the bucket of popcorn.
My three and a half year old about you know,
seventy eight percent of the way through the movie is
gonna be like when when can we go home?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
You know, there's just not quite the attention span.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, the eighteen month old forget when you can't. And
you probably you probably are one of those parents that
really do your best. The limit screen time anyway, but
in a movie theater you can't just hand them your
phone or a tablet either to like get them through
whatever you're doing, so that that makes a lot harder.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I understand.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
There's these mythical theaters that I've actually never seen or
never been to, where apparently they have like a McDonald's
play place in the movie theater itself.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I did not. I have not been to one of those,
and it's.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
It's specifically four parents that are just like, I want
to go watch a movie, and like, kids, do whatever
you want, run around the theater, be loud, and the
tasted agreement is that like if your kid is in
the ballpit making noise, nobody cares. Yeah, because that's amazing.
I have not been to one of those. I've never
even like seen it offered, But apparently they exist. Eight

(09:22):
seven seven thirty five three zero seven hundred. Is this
like cow tipping? It's not real, but people talk about it.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
There is. Uh.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
There are movie theaters and I've seen them now. I
think they're mostly the megaplex theaters. Shout out to LHM megaplex.
They have like quiet rooms in the corner. Yeah yeah,
but you can only at least in the written rules.
I'm sure they don't. There's no way they enforce them.
But you're you're only supposed to stay about twenty minutes

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at a time in there. I'm like, we can't, we
can't take Like, so no one's bringing an actual infant
to the move or a toddler to the movie theater
because you're there's no way you can. You can only
spend twenty minutes at a time calming them down at
the apst.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
What what what what poor fifteen year old excuse me,
You've been in here for twenty it's time to go.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
There's no way, there's no way.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Maybe they actually enforce it, but that's but as I
looked at I looked at like I was looking at
movies and like, how is there a way to go
to the movies at this stage? And I'm like, oh,
they have these quiet rooms in it. Anyway, it was
written down only twenty minutes at a time.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred Start one,
bench one, cut one if you like. At Real oc
Sports the Adam Sandler in Honor of Happy Gilmore two,
which is not an instant classic. Oh, I was gonna say,
what's your review?

Speaker 6 (10:43):
Now?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Said? Look man, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
I'm no longer in this frame of mind when it
comes to movies, especially straight to Netflix comedy films, where
I'm like, this better be the greatest thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think people who are bigger.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Golf might enjoy all of the PGA and live toward
cameos and like some of the inside jokes that go
with that. I still was entertained. I still thought it
was like mildly funny. I've told you many times on
the air my admiration for what Adam Sandler has carved
out for himself in the entertainment business. I mean, we're
talking hundreds of millions of dollars worth of fortune to

(11:22):
hang out with whoever he wants to hang out with
and make whatever movies he wants to make.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's what he does.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
And the reason why some people might be going why
didn't why didn't this go in theaters? Because Adam Sandler
and Billy and Happy Madison Productions sign that deal with
Netflix however many years ago that he's going to make,
you know, a couple movies a year for Netflix only.
So that's that's why it's no. I mean, like you said,

(11:50):
his Netflix only movies have not been as good as
his go to theaters first and then to streaming service movies.
But there that's not because their Netflix movies, because that's
he It was attempted to be as good.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
At the very least.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
There's actually there's a moment where he breaks the fourth
wall at the very end where at the end of
the movie about that whole thing, about the fact that
he just gets to do whatever he wants, gets to
put his family in the movies or whatever. At the
end of the movie, there's a little fourth wall break
between him and one of his daughters, who's a character
in the movie. Yeah, and it's just like, oh, that's

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actually kind of sweet, that that's cool that he like
acknowledges that.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
And you know, anyway, I think it's great.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
I do.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Fine, it's worth your time in my opinion, to watch it.
You're not gonna come away being like that's the funniest
movie I've ever seen. But I also don't think you're
gonna be like I hated that is it?

Speaker 4 (12:45):
So it's it's not near as good as the original.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
No, And it's it's just it's not as original as
the original, you know what I mean. Basically, the entire
script is just callbacks to the first movie, yeah, and
leaning into the nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
And guess what, I don't mind that.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Yeah, No, especially what almost thirty years later, years later,
Like if it was if they had made Happy Gilmore
Too in like the mid two thousands, you'd want you
you'd be like, Okay, this is ridiculous. You were just
calling back to something we already were very familiar with.
But like thirty years later, there's a new audience that's

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not familiar with with the original Happy Gilmore.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
So you absolutely can do that anyway. Start Bench cut,
it will go, We'll go. Uh are we taking out
Big Daddy?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Is that what you said?

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Or weaving Daddy, Big Daddy, water Boy and fifty first
Kate and honorable mentions to what was our list now
anger management, Just go with it, mister deeds.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
And we added wedding singer. Yeah, and there's so many more. Yeah,
if you if you want to text us your honorable mentions.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Start water Boy, bench Wedding Singer Cut, fifty first dates,
thought happy and I thought Happy Gilmore Too.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
No matter how to be Oh did not like did
not like it? That's all right, It's okay.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Like you said grown Ups is a good honorable mention
as well. That one feels even though all of his
movies are kind of ensemble movies, that one feels way
more ensemble than an Adam Sandler movie.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Thirty three fourteen says, why not start Bench Cut, Adam
Sandler sports movies, Waterboy, Longest Yard, Happy Gilmore. I'll tell
you why because Happy Gilmore is gonna win running Away.
The other two can't hold a candle, and Longest Yard
is not even an original Adam Sandler.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Like that's that's a remake by itself.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
I feel like it was a good remake, but it's
still not. Yeah, you can't have you can't have an
unoriginal Adam Sandler being your top three.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Startwater Boy, Bench Wedding, Singer Cut fifty first dates Jack
and Jill Ren's Supreme No.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Jack gild is so terrible.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Spanglish is a great flick too, but off the norm
for Samla. Spanglish is good. And also Click is really good.
It's very good. Click is so good, and it's supposed
to be a comedy, but it's also deeply emotional film.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
It's like his first like Uncut, Uncut Gems was like
an actual serious film that he got like, sirius, did
he get Golden Globe or Oscar nominations for it?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Anyway? Yeah, I didn't win one, but he got he
got nomination.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Click was like obviously not to that level like serious movie,
but that's the first one, and I'm like, oh, this
is kind of a serious movie for Adam Sam.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
There's a little bit of like a Christmas Carol vibe
to it, where it's like, you know, the ghost the
ghosts of your past or your future are haunting. But
it's like a very original way to do it. Yeah,
I love Click. Click is Click is really really good?
Kate beckinsale on Man, That's that's what I mean. Adamandler,

(15:42):
He's like the best one, and I just go with it.
Hasn't even been mentioned yet, Just go with it. He's like,
here's what I want to do. I want to film
a movie where Brooklyn Decker and Jennifer Aniston are both
in love with me, and I want to do it
in why so they're in swimsuits and we're just filming

(16:05):
in Paradise for three months or however long. Of course,
of course, I mean, of course, you cast you cast
brook Brooklyn Decker to have scenes with her with swimsuit
because that's she that's what she does. It's not exactly
but you're not gonna in the Alaska movie.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, but but still like, yeah, that one is the
ultimate like hot hot girl co star movie for him.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
He took it to a new level where he's just like,
instead of having one of them be in love with me,
let's have it be multiple.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
And we'll have we'll have one who's way who's totally
not age appropriate for me, and one that's definitely age
appropriate and still hot.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Great, And Nicole Kidman's in that movie. Is Nicole Matthews
is in that movie. That's one of Dan Patrick's best.
That one's and speaking of Longest Yard when he's the cop.
Those are the two most memorable cameos for me. Ninety fourteen,
says honorable man, Little Nikky terrible movie. The only there's
one Adam Sandler movie that is just unforgivably bad. Well,

(17:07):
there's more than one. Jack and Joe's unforgivably bad. I
never saw that. That's my boy, him and him and
Sandberg from Saturday Night Live.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, I didn't see that one either. Don't ever watch it.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
It is not only is it just terrible the whole
way through, but the twist at the end is repugnant,
so you just there's no reason to watch it.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
So we have a cutting of fifty first dates in
the first two texts you read, Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, there's a lot of cutting of fifty first states.
I think maybe I like fifty first states more than
most people. I love fifty first dates. That's a that's
a very rewatchable Sandler movie, Samwise Gamgee being in it
as the steroid taking brother.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
And speaking of I I may have been wrong, click
might not have been the first like real like oh,
this is kind of a serious movie with the with
with Drew Barrymore's storyline fifty first date.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
It does pluck at the heartstrings a little, but I mean,
oh yeah. Plus Dan Ackroyd is the doctor and in
the movie.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Rob Schneider plays a pigeon speaking Hawaiian. I mean, come on,
it's so good anyway, keep them coming in eight seven
seven three five three zero seven hundred. This is not
though happy Gilmore to review show The Sean O'Connell Show.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Though we did spend about eighteen minutes, we spent I
spent a little.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Bit too much time on that.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
We got a lot to discuss today, Craig Bowler, Jack's
gonna stop by uh later on in the show. We're
gonna have some fun with that and Uh, Adrian Denny
between the Pipes brought to you by Angora and the
Latin Industries. I want to start throwing these out there,
though I know people are probably gonna be more opinionated
about the Adam Sandler movies, but these the the over unders, okay,

(18:47):
on these stats that I think are important for us
to address with the Utah football season as camp begins today.
And yes, I will ask Kyle Whittingham if you've seen
Happy Gilmore too yet, because he's probably he probably still
doesn't seen Happy Gilmore one eight seven, seven three five
three zero seven hundred. Do we think Kyle Whittingham has

(19:10):
seen Happy Gilmore one? Yes or no? I'm gonna say no.
I bet it's came about in nineteen ninety six, so.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
He so he was what four five years into his
position coach as a tenure at the University of Utah.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
He was a D line coach.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, he see if he had been like right, if
he had been still looking for his first permanent coaching
job since college or since his his brief NFL stint
in that time.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I might say, yeah, he's he's seen. He had some downtime,
but he since he was a he'd been a coach
for a few years. He's not the kind of guy
that doesn't that loses focus like that.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
There's no way he's seen.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Happy Gilmore one right, okay, eight seven seven three five
three zero seven hundred.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I got people calling in. Everything's good, what's going on?
All right?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Overs and unders on important stat lines. All right, We're
gonna do this for a lot of different stats as
the season approaches, much like we're gonna do overs and under.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Excuse me, start bench.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Cut rush yards per game. I'm setting the rushyards per
game for Utah football in the twenty twenty five season. Now, remember,
you've got a quarterback who can run. You got a
quarterback who might be the best runner on the team.
All respect to the running back room, but just watch,

(20:37):
if you haven't already watched, what Devin dan Pier is
capable of with the football in his hands, and nobody
uh expecting him to unload that thing.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
One ninety nine point five.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Over under on rushing yards per game To put it
in a little bit of context for you, last year,
where Utah only had a run game, you didn't really
end up being overly productive one and thirty yards per

(21:12):
game one ninety nine point five, meaning candy, if you're
over you're two hundred yards a game puts you at fifth, fourth,
fourth and last year's Big Big twelve conference. So your
top four in last year's Big twelve conference if you

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have two hundred yards a game one ninety nine point
five is the over under that I'm setting it.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Up and then that's uh, I'm assuming ASU was one
last year. Anyway, I'm wondering, like you see, remember was they're.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
One of the most prolific rushing offenses in the.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Sneaky sneaky prolific rushing offense because they didn't win them
any games.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
You seef had almost six yards per carry, thirty three
touchdowns onund they ran the ball forty three times per game.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
I The reason I bring that up is to say,
what is fourth or fifth in the conference, like compared
to the way last season turned out? Is that is
that where like the contenders of the conference was.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Last were last season? So UCF top rushing team not
a contender obviously, Kansas State contender. They were number two
in rush yardage. Kansas was number three in rush yardage
per game. Arizona State was four, and they were at
one ninety nine point nine. So if you're one ninety
nine point five, you can still take the over and

(22:37):
still be fifth place in the conference. And it goes
u CEF Kansas State, Kansas, Arizona State, West Virginia, Cincy
Baylor of Texas Tech BYU was ninth, Iowa State was tenth,
Houston eleventh, Utah twelfth in the conference. Colorado was the
worst rushing team in the conference last year at sixty
five yards per game, and of course Colorado ended up

(22:59):
with a good year.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, so it's to me that's the like based off
of the way last year played out, and every season
is gonna be different, particularly in the Big Twelve. It
would seem to me that if you're not in the
top five and rushing, as long as you're you're productive
in the throw game, productive enough in the throw game,
you may have a better chance to win the Big

(23:22):
Twelve if it shakes out like it did last year.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
But yeah, to put it in context for what what
Utah football looks best doing. Yeah, all right, last year
not a good year by any metric on the offensive
side of the ball, one hundred and thirty yards a
game on the ground. The year before that also a
disappointing year, but obviously more respectable one eighty two point
five per game on the ground. Twenty twenty two a

(23:47):
conference championship year in the Pac twelve, although you're you
needed a lot of miracles and tie breakers, but you
still won the conference. Two hundred and seventeen yards per game.
Twenty twenty one, two hundred and seventeen yards per game.
So your back to back championship seasons you were seventeen

(24:09):
yards over. Effectively, the total I'm asking you to pick
an over under on twenty twenty doesn't count. Twenty nineteen
you were at two hundred and one yards per game.
Twenty eighteen you were at one hundred and eighty yards
per game. Sixteen was also a really good rushing year
for the University of Utah two hundred and fourteen yards
per game. So over two hundred historically is what you

(24:29):
want to see Utah football do. And I know that,
I know we're we've got listeners going yeah, but it's
a different offensive coordinator. We don't have to measure it
that way. Yeah, that was three. That was two different
offensive coordinators. Troy Taylor years we put in there, and
actually Aaron Roderick here is one of those right at
Andy Ludwig. Obviously, Jason Beck is historically a guy who

(24:53):
relies on the run game a ton too, So it's
going to be an important part of this offense. So yeah,
one nineteen one, ninety nine and a half is what
you're playing, ninety nine and a half.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
So again, I looked at the numbers.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I looked at the seasons, and two hundred plus yards
for Utah's offense is a really good year. It's still
only fifth in the conference. So I'm not asking. I'm
not putting these numbers out there. They're like, well watch this,
watch Utah be the best offensive team suddenly in the conference.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I don't expect that. I really don't.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
And then and two of like the teams who finished
third and fourth in the conference by tiebreakers. As you
read that off they were in the bottom half of
the conference in rushing.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
So it's not like it used to.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
This is not nineteen forties football, where the more you run,
the more wins you get. Utah football has had a
complicated relationship with the throw game and balancing that out
and getting to a point where you can run for
one hundred and ninety to two hundred and fifteen. Two

(25:57):
hundred and twenty yards per game is one as long
as you have pass production. There are years where you
lean too heavy into that. Twenty sixteen was not a
championship year for the University of Utah. Right twenty sixteen
you had a talented team that underachieved from a win
loss perspective, but they were rushing for two hundred and

(26:18):
fourteen yards a game that was that was really good?

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Was that Joe Williams unretirement year? Or was that the
year before that?

Speaker 5 (26:26):
Was?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
No, that was that year? Okay?

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Right, So over under one ninety nine point five, over
under one ninety nine point five.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Knowing you're gonna have.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
A quarterback who gives you probably forty to one hundred
and twenty yards per game right with his legs depending
and of course you're flush along the offensive line. You
got the best run blocking offensive tackle in all of
college football, and you have at least a couple of
guys that we think are going to uh look good

(27:00):
in this brand new running back room. It's very much
guesswork because we saw limited amounts in spring. It wasn't
exactly a direct analog to what you're gonna see in
real competition. And the coach is new, every player in
the room is new at running back. So over under
James one ninety nine point five rush yards per game

(27:21):
for the University of Utah in twenty twenty five. I
still am. I'm still gonna say over because I can't help.
But just picture.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Devin dan Pierre just running all over the field at
different times, and like you said, he's going to account
for close to half of that production if they get
to two hundred just about every game. And if Wayshaun,
if the just by committee, even if Wayshaun Parker doesn't
end up being quite as spectaculars as we do as

(27:55):
Utah fans would hope he would be, by committee, they
they brought it some lot of a lot of talented
newcomers outside of Parker. I and that off that offensive
line looks like it's going to be historically good for
the program. Like it points all signs for me point
to a two hundred plus rushing yard per game year.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Okay, all right, so you're going over you. I'm going
over because your quarterback is so good at running. Yeah,
now I say that, and I'm not saying over one
ninety nine point five is going to translate into However,
many wins didn't work that way for UCF, didn't work

(28:36):
that way for Cincinnati and West Virginia and Kansas, who
were really good running teams in the Big Twelve Conference
last year. I think, much to my own chagrin, the
more important total is pass yards per game. We're gonna
get to that one eventually. We're gonna take a break.
Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. That's
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Speaker 2 (30:19):
I have a new over under for you.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Oh okay, over under half a time that Kyle Whittingham
has watched Happy Gilmore the original.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Taken the under. I'm taking the under on it about you.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Do you think Kilani is a yes, absolutely, yes, he's
seen it. Yeah, okay, different different kind of focus for Kilanie.
He's still he's still indulges in some in some things
in college. When that movie came out, Oh, that's a
good point. Every college football player in the world probably
went to they that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I forget activity.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I forget he's he's actually much younger than with Yeah,
we though they're like best friends, I tend to think
that they're a lot.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Closer's Klanie's what, like, is even fifty I'll look it up.
Maybe he is now forty nine. He's forty nine years old. Yeah, man,
I actually hate I hate doing that. I hate looking
up when someone who is like so much more accomplished

(31:24):
in life than you.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Are, but's what's somewhat close to the same.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
He's like, I'm eight years behind him in age and
eight light years behind him and accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Damn it.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
I know NBA players When I'm like, Rudy Gobert is
six months younger than me, I'm like, Okay, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Can I tell you something.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Every single NBA player is younger than me, James, every
one of them. There's not one who's like, Lebron is
the oldest guy in the NBA now, right, Yeah, and
Lebron is like a year and a half younger than me.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
So that's a that's a really one for you, is
you're like, yeah, look what, Look what they've accomplished. He's
like way less time.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
He's got two hundred and ninety nine and he's got no,
he's got I don't know. He's got like nine point
five nine nine nine nine billion dollars more than I do.
And he's younger than me. And by the way, his
kids are like way older than my kids. That's another
weird thing. When you see people who are younger than

(32:26):
you who have adult children. They're like, man, that's pretty crazy.
You had a kid when you were a kid.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, we're we're gonna be My wife and I are
going to be in that stage where we're gonna be
some of the older parents probably right or maybe right
in the middle. I mean it is Utah, though there's
a lot of people, Yes, a lot of people have
kids younger still, so we're gonna I anticipate there being
some significant age gaps in our peers. Sure with with

(32:56):
parents when when when ohen the boy ends up going.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
You this, my.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
My oldest daughter started going to like a little gymnastics class, right,
And it's effectively just playtime for the kids. This is
when she was like three, and she really became buddies
with this little boy who was in the class. And
so my wife is just like, oh, this little boy
and Rowana they're good friends.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
So let's like play date, let's play date, let's do that.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
And I was like, great, cool, let's you know, we'll
go to like the We went to like a petting
zoo basically with the parents. The parents of this three
year old boy were twenty three years old.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Oh my goodness, I.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Was thirty eight years old at the time, and I'm
just like, I'm sorry. They were really wonderful, they were
so nice, they were great. I'm like, we have literally
nothing in common. There's yeah the old generation between us.
I'm almost old enough to be your dad. So yeah
as well. All right, way more real over unders. Back

(34:02):
to our actual over unders. Okay, this one, I promise you.
I wanted to be as realistic as possible about it.
I've really tried, because the numbers from last year were
just so ridiculous. And the guy who is responsible for

(34:24):
those numbers being ridiculous is now you're starting quarterback sacks allowed.
How many sacks are Utah's offensive line being going to
give up in this twenty twenty five cycle.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
And Devin dan Pier, Devin dann Pierre gonna take yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
And obviously if Devn dan Pier is the healthy quarterback
for the whole season, that changes this number pretty drastically.
The fact that you've got the offensive line you've got,
I think, changes this number pretty drastically. Somebody, by the way,
not any it was not like a big famous website
or but some on the rise, kind of like sports

(35:07):
stats website yesterday tweeted out that they finished their offensive
line evaluations that Utah has got the number one offensive
line in the country returning. So if it had been
like ESPN, if it had been Pro Football Focus or
somebody like that, I probably would have ran with it.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Just a little aside.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
In any case, sacks allowed, I'm setting the over under
at nine and a half. That such a low number,
but that speaks the way you was talking about. Devin
dan Pier didn't didn't take any sacks last year. There
were five team so good. There were five teams in
the country last year who took ten or fewer sacks.

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So if you're taking the under on nine and a half,
you're talking about fewer than ten sacks. Obviously, there were
only five teams in the country. Now, one of those
was a Big Twelve team. Kansas had ten last year.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
The number one team in the nation last year in
sacks allowed was the Buckeyes New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
New Mexico.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Oh yeah, I thought you were pointing at me, because okay,
now is like you're obviously gonna get this one right game,
Devin dam Pierre didn't take any sacks.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yes, I mean it.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
It's just a ridiculous number sacks allowed for New Mexico
last season.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Five so two, But that says just like what I
was inferring from the rushing yards list, the top five
in the Big Twelve, not like half of them, not
contenders in the in the conference. These two Kansas and
New Mexico not Bowl teams.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
So so New Mexico gave up five sacks for twenty
one yards. Can you imagine on the season, Ledger, you
only give up twenty one yards of negative plays in
your passing game?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Do you know how that?

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I guess you maybe could add some passes behind the
line of scrimmage that lost yardage.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
But you know what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, five sacks for twenty one yards. And by the way,
Devin dan Pierre only took four of those five sacks.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Wow, one of them was a backup.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Army gave up six sacks, Georgia Tech gave up nine,
Colorado State, and Kansas gave up ten apiece.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
Okay, so none of them big time contenders. Army did
have a really good year.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Though the other ones like even number six Navy, Rice Duke,
San Jose State, these are all teams that were excellent
in not giving up sacks last year. So not necessarily
a correlation between having a great season and not I'm
surprised at that. Honestly, there's not even a correlation behind
having a great offensive line and not giving up a

(37:49):
lot of sacks. A lot of it is just your
your quarterback was either incredibly elusive or he would just
throw the ball away, yeah, or he would throw interception
instead of taking sacks, which unfortunately was something that in
a couple of those instances Devin Dampier did. That's something
that they're coaching out of him, and we'll have coached
out of him hopefully all the way. By the time

(38:10):
you take your first snaps so so effectively, I'm asking
behind this offensive line at the University of Utah, is
Devin Dampier going to take double the amount of sacks
that he took last year?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
More than double?

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Or do we think that it's going to be a
good year in protecting the quarterback? Again, doesn't necessarily translate
to victories, doesn't necessarily translate to conference championships. I just
read you. Here's the top here's the top ten or
tied for the top ten. New Mexico Army, Georgia Tech,
Colorado State, Kansas Navy, Rice Duke, San Jose State, Wisconsin,

(38:47):
Kansas State, Oklahoma State.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yeah, none of those conference champions all the wait Navy
might have been the American champion anyway, an Army had
a really good year, and then of course Kansas State
at a really good year.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
But other than that, the service academies don't run an
offense that draws a lot of sacks like that's that's
as kind of by design. It's as much what they
do as what they were able to accomplish from a
protection standpoint.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
So, but not good, not really good teams in that list,
with the exception of three or four. So I think, uh,
I think, I definitely think it's under because of what
you were just alluding to a much better offensive line
year two in the system two, I think that we're
gonna see better decision making from Devin dan Pier. I

(39:36):
would hope that that means less interceptions when he's avoiding
sacks and what you were talking about some of those
negative plays that come with he didn't get a sack,
but he did turn the ball over or whatever, miss
an open guy as he was thrown it away. I
would think that there's gonna be less of that in
year two in the offense too. So I'll say I'll
say under because, like you said, more than they would

(39:59):
mean he would take more more than double what he
did with a way with way less talented offensive line
at New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yes, though in.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
These opponents are much better, so you're gonna have facing
much better pass rushers, But you still gotta believe in
this off in the talent of this offensive line at
this point, I just I wanted to set this at
four and a half. Yeah, I set it at nine
and a half because it was such a freak outlier

(40:33):
year for New Mexico last year that it's just not
realistic that you're gonna expect a team or any team,
any quarterback, any offensive line to team up for a
number like that. In twenty twenty three, Oregon only gave
up five sacks on the whole year. In twenty twenty two,
Oregon only gave up five sacks on the air. In

(40:55):
twenty twenty one, Army led the nation in sacks allowed
at seven. Guess who was number four in twenty twenty one?
Was it Utah? It was Utah. Oh, thirteen sacks allowed
for the whole season.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
In twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
It's amazing how that's one of the things that is
like invisible, one of those stats that seems invisible because
as I was watching that team, I was not thinking, oh,
they're not sacking Cam Rising very much, but they apparently
they didn't.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean, in twenty twenty one, thirteen total sacks, eighty
five yards given up, less than a sack a game allowed.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
And that speaks to what guys like Scott Mitchell and
Sly were saying after the twenty twenty three season, the
first last year for Cam Rising, as to how much
better going into last season with the projected healthy Cam Rising,
how much better the offensive line is going to look
because the quarterback is gonna be much it's gonna be

(41:55):
much better at avoiding those negative plays, avoiding of waiting
sacks and those kind of things, because Cam was pretty
elusive himself, and he was really good at throwing on schedule.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, which is.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Probably not even probably definitely a bigger part of not
taking sacks, even than your athleticism and your escapability.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
I mean, think about Tom Brady in the NFL. That
guy didn't get sacked very much. It wasn't because of
his athletic ability.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Like Ben Roethlisberger didn't get sacked a lot because he
was so hard to bring down. Tom Brady didn't get
sacked a lot because Tom Brady didn't have the ball
in his hand too long.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Caleb Williams didn't get sacked a lot because he was
freakishly athletic.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
He would hold onto the ball way too long.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, and then most teams didn't get home to him
that often. And even if they did, he had that
wiggle man. He should have been sacked like probably just
in his two games against Utah. He probably should have
been sacked like six more times times. Anyway, there's a
lot of factors to it. Sacks allowed over under nine
and a half sacks allowed by Utah per game. New

(43:09):
Mexico only gave up five last year with Dan pirat
QB four. Actually with him under center, five teams in
the country gave up ten or fewer per game. But again,
does not necessarily translate directly to victories. Seems like it
should in any case. All right, we'll take another break here.
The hot lunch is the over under, which I think

(43:32):
is most important for us to talk about. The reason
a new offense was brought in was not to allow
fewer sacks, was not to increase your rush yards per game.
It was to put points on the board. We'll do
an over under and I'll tell you how I got
to the number I got to next on the Shot
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(45:28):
to to set. So last year, the University of Utah
was bad offensively as a scoring offense.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Nationally.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
If you want to find it where they ranked, you
got to scroll down, way, way, way too far on
the list. They were fourteenth in the Big Twelve Conference,
scoring twenty three points six points per game.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
All right, let's go ahead and just make it even.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Let's add roughly a touch down to that total for
twenty twenty five. Do you think Jason Beck, Devin Dan
Pierre this offensive line way, Sean Parker and company, Otto
Tia moving to tight end, Hunter Andrews moving over to
the offense, Creed Wittemore in company trying to get things
done on the outside, Dadrian Zipperer making the next step

(46:19):
as an offensive player. Can that offense give you an
extra touchdown per game?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
On the hill? Twenty three points six points per game
last year? Will just round it, make it conservative.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
We're gonna say thirty one points a game over under
thirty one points a game for the University of Utah
offense this year.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Man, See if you would have said if you'd have
said it it twenty nine and a half or thirty
I might. I might say over because that's the number.
If they got to thirty points a game last year,
oh see only one loss team if if the team,
if the games play out the exact way that they did,
your record last year the Colorado game was the only

(47:01):
game they gave up more than thirty points. You only
gave up more than well, you gave up thirty one State.
If you score thirty one points a game, you go
into overtime.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, I was staying, Sorry, I was stayed. Yeah you go, Yeah,
you go to You're go into overtime in that game.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
So your record is either eleven and one or ten
and two if you score thirty one points a game
with last year's Utah football team, and last year's defense,
by the way, was beat up, decimated, destroyed, and still
kept you in those games.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
If you're scoring a touchdown more per.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Game, which is a big ask, that is a that
is a hefty lift for Jason Beck to come in
and be like, hey man, you gotta get us from
being bad fourteenth in the conference to where do you
think thirty one points a game puts you in last
year's Big Twelve conference, and let's just assume that it's
gonna play out similarly this year.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
I would say fourth or fifth. I'm gonna say fifth
good enough for eighth, eighth. Okay, it's not it's a
heavy lift, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
An unrit like it's too middle of the pack.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
I'm not telling you you've got to get this team
to the number one scoring offense in the conference because
with Morgan Scalley and Kyle Whittingham and that stalwart defense,
the consistency on defense, what you're looking at is a
touchdown per.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Game, making a massive difference.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
I mean, we're having completely different conversations about everything related
to Utah football. The recruiting picture looks different, the nil
picture looks different, the future looks different. Because Kyle Whittingham
probably retires on a high note last year, Morgan Scalley
is probably running the show himself.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
This year. Every single thing looks different.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
They may not have even they may not have even
felt like they needed to bring in a new quarterback.
If that was the case. Think about that, even though
Isaac Wilson, well, yeah, if it's if it and in
my mind I was thinking a touchdown more per game
is the result of Cam Rising probably stayed ouh yeah
last year instead, but they could they could have gotten
that from Isaac Wilson too. I think Wilson is the

(49:09):
reason you're scoring an extra touchdown per game last year
than Devin Dan Pierre.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
We'd never hear his name.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Yeah, So I think I'm gonna say under but I
think it's still gonna be around thirty points. I just
I don't know if they get too over that much.
I don't know if they get to thirty one or
more thirty points a game, it makes you tenth in
the conference last year. And yeah, I would say I'm
assuming similar numbers. Twenty eight to a little over thirty

(49:37):
a game is where I think they'll they'll land this year, because,
like you said, a whole touchdown more just seems like
a huge ask.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I'm looking at.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Okay, so twenty twenty five, I'm looking at the averages
here for the whole conference. Right, So twenty twenty four
the number one scoring offense was. I love doing this
to James mind because I have no idea, because the
thing is, you usually get more right than I think
you're gonna know, and they're all guesses. I'm gonna say

(50:10):
Iowa State Texas Tech was the one scoring offense thirty
seven points six points per game. Baylor was two, TCU
was three, Arizona State had thirty two point nine points
per game, as did Colorado.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
TCU only scored thirteen at Ricycles Stadium, and they're still
top three. BYU scored thirty one point two points per game.
Iowa State was thirty one point one, Kansas State was
thirty point eight, UCF thirty point four, Kansas twenty nine
point seven. Houston scored a paltree fourteen points per game
last year. I'm not gonna tell you what happened in

(50:41):
their game against the Utes, so no need to revisit that.
In twenty twenty three, thirty one points per game makes
you the eighth best team in the conference. In twenty
twenty two, thirty one points a game would have made
Utah the eighth best team in the conference. In twenty five,
twenty one, thirty one points a game would have made

(51:02):
Utah the sixth best team in the conference in the
Big twelve, So there's it's not an unrealistic ask.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Elevating this offense to being even the top half of
the conference. Really, it's like you get to you are
the midpoint. If you score thirty one points per game,
you think you think it's over.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
I'm probably I'm probably kind of in the same boat
you are, where it's like, man, twenty eight points a game.
I would absolutely take the over thirty one points a game,
but it's a touchdown. Do I think that Jason Beck
and Devin dan Pierre and this offensive line are gonna
give this team an extra touchdown per game? And not

(51:50):
just those names I mentioned, but do I think health
better luck with the health picture gives them more than
a touchdown advantage per game than what they had last year?
I think, Yeah, so I'm gonna take the over here,
okay with hesitance. Yeah, And maybe I should have said
it at thirty points five. I mean, that's why it's
a That's why it's a good over under. Though, if
you've got it, if you're like, ah, that's close to

(52:12):
what I would predict. But I don't think I can
go over with much confidence that it's sign of a
good over under. I'm changing it to thirty point five?
How about that over?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Just kidding?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
No, I still think points per game over under thirty
point five. If you get over, if you hit the over,
so you're thirty one points a game. That's good enough
for eighth in the Big twelve Conference last year forty
one nationally and under is ninth, thirty tenth. Right, Yeah,
they were talking about Yeah, you're right there. You're right there.

(52:43):
And by the way, we talked about this many, many,
many times. Even if you if you score thirty points
a game, you're ten and two. If you score thirty
one points a game, you're going into overtime with a
chance to be eleven to one or ten and two.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Make a field goal, you're going into overtime. Anyway, this
is rough ending that Iowa steakkame.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
This is a team that needs a touchdown per game more.
And by the way, it's not even in every single
game there were you were you were five touchdowns away
from being a ten win team last year in timely manner,
in certain games you had all those one score games,
including a one score p.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
And two point conversion.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yeah, I was about to say the ASU maybe maybe
it's nine potentially nine and three even if you get those,
because you still got to get that two point conversion.
And I'm to tie that one, but and put that
one into overtime. But it's like so close to being
a much better team. And by the way, I being
at that game in timp last year, I did the

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sidelines for that game. If you score and that if
the touchdown is not negated by the penalty, I don't
think Arizona State rallies the same way.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I just don't like you felt like momentum was on
Utah's side.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
If they score that touchdown and they take a lead
with whatever that was, like three and a half minutes left,
I just think that it's a totally different game. And
the defense almost held even after that happened.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
They did.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
I mean, Scataboo kind of gave Utah another chance too
by not running the clock at by not sliding and
letting it and be like, let's take some knees here
or instead housing it. So yeah, so many chances to
win that game and so many other games that they
lost last year.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
So thirty point five, we're gonna take thirty point five
with the over under go Utah on Twitter says the
sacks allowed over under nine point five taken the under.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
All right, you've.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Got your numbers for rush yards per game, sacks allowed,
and points per game.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
For this Utah off, you're gonna you're gonna throw out
your venmo or cash app to actually take some of
these bets, Bookie, Bookie OC.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
I don't think you can do that on air legally.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
You want to throw out, great answer, I don't think.
I don't think we're really allowed to do that, not
in the state of Utah anyway, James, James Peterson will
take your bets on his venmo at James hyphen Peterson
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Whatever is that? Is that your venmoll? That would be
a great guess if I could neither confirm nor.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Tony ah oh allegedly that might be close.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Well, here's here's the thing, uh, James, is someone's gonna
walk in and fire James during this break, So I'll
do my best to keep the show.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
I was just I was testing you for anyone who
might be coming in to do that. I was testing
O so you to make sure he was aware of
the gambling lots in our great state.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
All right, Adrian, Danny's gonna join us. Next we go
between the pipes talk little Utah Mammoth. My first question
is gonna have nothing to do with with hockey. It's
gonna have nothing to do with rotations or ice time
or goals scored or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
I got a fat question, but it's an important one.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
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Speaker 5 (56:15):
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Speaker 1 (56:19):
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Speaker 3 (56:28):
You we go between the Pipes with Adrian Denny, brought
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Speaker 2 (56:33):
Are Utah Mammoth insider.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Adrian Denny's been very, very busy for Mammoth Week, all
up and down the Washsat Front and beyond, Little outreached,
Little pr for the Utah Mammoth.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Adrian, Welcome to the studio. How are you? Thanks?

Speaker 7 (56:47):
So see lots and lots of spray sunscreen is what
the message is this week and so far we've been
lucky up and logan Saturday at some cloud cover, cloud
cover in Park City yesterday, but Monday night in Provo
it was beaten down and we've got Cotton Heights tonight, right,
Cotton Heights Treads Center, Ogden tomorrow, and then we've got

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Enoch Slash Theater City on Friday, Saint George on on Saturday.
So we need U gonna need to keep uh spraying
the sunscreen the SPF ME it's gonna get You're gonna
finish real hot down there in Saint George. Yeah, that's great.
So we're having a blast. It's our mobile fan fest,
going from city to city. Everybody's come, had a great time.

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We've got some on ie stuff, some some learn to play,
some hockey clinics and food trucks and folks can come.
We've got photo booths, we've got face painting, you can
make bracelets. Uh, you can play NHL twenty five, We've
got that. So everything is unlike PlayStation Xbox. Yeah, we've

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got stations U for for that and so yeah, come
out of Winning with Tanev is probably our most popular
photo booth. That's a Polari polaroid frame with one of
one of his headshots and you can see how you
do nice with a smile. Or President Hockey Operations Chris
Armstrong stepped into that booth yesterday in Park City love it.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
That's really cool.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
The biggest reveal that we're going to get to, we're
going to get to our start bench cut with Adrian
by the way here in just a second. But we
had a huge reveal for the Utah Mammoth this week
that flew under the radar for a lot of people.
But I have said this on air many, many, many times,
I will die on this hill. One of the greatest

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things in professional sports and one of the most unique
things in professional sports is the artistic expression afforded to
goaltenders through their masks and a reminder from Veggie this week,
through their pads. Carol Vamelka released the the look of

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his pads that are just absolutely sick. I wish there
was more of a visual element to our show. I
wish we were like a Pat McAfee style where everyone
was also watching us so I could put the graphic up.
But he's got the mammoth silhouettes on the on the pads,
on the blocker, everywhere. Just it's an absolute thing of

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beauty here Adrian.

Speaker 7 (59:24):
It's a prelude, I think, to what's really going to come,
and that's his mask. We saw his mask last year
with the dinosaurs.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
In fact, Veggie, if there's a way you want to
earn some money for a charity that you love, put
that mask up for auction. Your boy's gonna put a
hefty tag on. I will buy that thing. I'm a
big dinosaur guy. Game warn dinosaur painted inaugural season Utah
Hockey Club mask with that theme.

Speaker 7 (59:56):
I'm I'm spending some money on that. Ye cost It
was really really cool and it reminds me. Oh see
at Mammoth Week, we've got a set of Veggies gear
that you can try on. We don't have the Dinosaur mass.
We have the first mass that he wore this season
with the pads and the block or and the glove,

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and you can throw that on and uh see how
it feels. And you know, depending on your size, uh
the nine and ten year olds, it's uh it's a lot,
but but it'll fit. It'll fit regardless. But yeah, pads,
you see, you see a lot of splotches, you see,
you know, the team's primary colors mixed in on the pads.
But it's not every day. Maybe maybe two or three

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sets of gear in the whole NHL have a you know,
the the full identity and our mammoth logo that we
unveiled in May to see this on the left pad,
the right pad, the two mammoths, if you will, clashing
on on the pads. That's that's pretty awesome. And I
and I can't wait to see, uh, his mask because

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if the pads are like this, the mask, oh my gosh,
take it to another.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
The mask is going to be so sick. I cannot
wait to see what it looks like. But Veggie, go
check it out. NHL Utah's got it. It's it's a
you know. Uh. Brogan Houston, who's a big guest of ours,
tweeted it. I've retweeted it. It's just they're they're beautiful.
They're a thing of beauty and you should take a
look at them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
And I don't know. They got to create like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
A retail item that we can we can, you know,
like a foam finger version of this, but instead have
the kids walking around with like foam finger pads on
their legs or something dressed up like Veggie.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
How about how about Veggie kind of really kind of
preluding our name with the prehistoric dinosaurs Last year we
had Mammoth at the same time and he kind of
uh kind of foreshadowed?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
What what actually happened? How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
It's great, It's absolutely phenomenal. All right, let's let's talk
a little start bench cut. I know you came in
prepared for this. The also rans of the Adam Sandler filmography.
I omitted Happy Gilmour and Billy Madison because those are
the classics.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Everyone loves those.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
He's got a bunch of other movies that you look
at and you say, all right, I like that. I
had to narrow it down to three. I used some
metrics of grossing, not even box office, but also streaming,
et cetera. By the way, his Hotel Transylvania movies, he's
done three of them, the animated ones.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
You've seen any of these? You know what I'm talking about? No,
the voice.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
I can't say that I've actually sat down and watched it,
but I've passed.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Through, flipped through, heard the voice. Okay, So there's three
of them, right, How much? How much money do you
think that those movies generated, all three put together for
Adam Sandler's Happy Madison Productions.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
This is gonna be either really good or really bad.
What do you think? Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
Gosh, a dollar figure you're looking for. Yeah, just like
thirty million.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
One point four billion dollars of revenue generated by those
three movies. They're his top grossing products ever in the
entire catalog. Hotel Transylvania, Hotel Transylvania two, Hotel Transylvania three
did over five hundred million dollars for the third and

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by the way, my daughters love it, so I guess
I'm part of that anyway. Crazy right, Okay, So starting
benching cutting fifty first dates, Big Daddy water Boy.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
Really excited for your feedback on this. Okay, start Big
Daddy benchwater Boy, cut fifty first dates.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I love fifty first dates. I'm cutting, Big Daddy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
I'm starting fifty first dates and I'm benching water Boy.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
For me, it was you can't cut everybody with water
Boy and fifty first day really, Big Daddy, Big Daddy.
I think I actually watched it a couple of times.
I think I think I had I think I had
the DVD of it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:12):
All.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
They're all good, They're all excellent. Fifty first dates. Any
movie that's got a Hawaiian theme or Hawaiian like, I'm
automatically gonna like it a little bit more because I
love Hawaii so much. By the way, a little scare
last night, the tsunami warnings.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
I was going to be at Hawaii this week on
a family vacation, and my brother had some stuff come
up at work in between us saying okay, this is
our week and booking the trip, and we're like, okay,
you can't go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
We're not going. And so I've.

Speaker 7 (01:04:50):
Been thinking like where would we be would we be
have been leaving this morning and have to reschedule it all. Anyway, Yeah,
with the tsunami warnings from last night, that had everything
kind of put on hold for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I mean there was some issues.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
If you saw, I was following along closely because it
was the first wave was supposed to hit at like
I think it was eleven seventeen hour time PM, right,
it was supposed to hit like seven something Hawaii time,
and I'm watching I'm watching the web the webcam, the
surfcam at Bondz Eye Pipeline, which is one of the

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most iconic surf breaks, and that beach no matter the
time of day, time of year, there's always people on
that beach. It was empty because of course people were like, well,
I'm not going to be on the beach when there's
why may obey empty. The sand that is never empty
was totally empty. People were up on the cliffs watching, waiting,
holding breath to see if this tsunami was going to
come in and take out I mean, if a big,

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if a giant wave had hit the north shore like
it was supposed to, like the projected, that is like,
thankfully everyone had time to get out of the way,
but that would have been hundreds of billions of dollars
worth of damage. Turtle Bay Resort, all that stuff's up
there anyway. Glad it didn't happen. Shout out to everyone
in Hawaii. Obviously a lot of you know people here

(01:06:16):
have family out there and stuff. So huge relief. I've
actually do you remember eight years ago when there was
a nuclear missile scare in Hawaii? Did you ever hear
about it? Oh, James, if we talked about this on
the air before. So I was in Hawaii. I had
my wife's engagement ring in my pocket. M were I

(01:06:40):
was planning on proposing that day. Okay, we wake up
my buddy who lives out there, lets me stay in
this beautiful rental property that he manages.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
It's right on the beach. It's like heaven.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Okay, we wake up to effectively, like you know when
your phone's on silent, but it still doesn't. It's like
amber alerts or whatever. And it was this government warning
text message saying, hey, in imminent threat, nuclear missile inbound

(01:07:15):
from North Korea or something crazy, seek shelter immediately, and
I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
What, what the heck is this? It? It? It went out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Everyone on the island got it, and we were like, okay,
so I called my family. She called her family like
we don't know if this is legit, We don't know
what's going on, but love you. And then it was
like are we gonna die? And it was all just
a false alarm, obviously, but scary. You hear the stories

(01:07:49):
right of the proposals. You can't reach your dad, you
are out to dinner and you forget your wallet, your
car gets towed. That has to be the best, the
biggest nightmare one I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I will say this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
We postponed the proposal itself to the next day because
a little bit too emotionally rattled.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, that's.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
That, that's that's not one of those things. All right,
Let's take the edge off here a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
All right, anyway, we thought we were about to die,
so you want to get married?

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Back to the matter at hand. Mammoth Week happening up
and down. Uh and you know, Adrian has been a
big part of it. Players and the sort of outreach
program that we're just now like really starting the drip
campaign of what this team has mentor will mean I
should say to do this community. What do you think

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like as you're on the streets, as you're meeting these people,
as you're sort of like a part of this education process,
where are we at in terms of like people fully
embracing the Mammoth, ready to buy tickets, season tickets. It's
a family thing that they're gonna absolutely make part of

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the sports culture here in Utah.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
My biggest thing so far from Mammoth Week and we've
been the Logan Provo Park City is the first thing.
Everybody there's excited and everybody there it seems like the
highlight of their summer, which it is for us, just
to you know, try on Veggie's gear, go to the

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twinning with tan ev Booth and then you've got everybody,
the kids inside skating around so it's just the excitement
and the folks being just grateful to the NHL is
here in Utah. So that's the first thing. The second thing,
oh see, is that everybody who comes and you know,

(01:09:55):
we're out at community ice rinks and you know there's
it's it's public space, and so a lot of our
people there just happened to be driving by and see
a party going on and and stop off. But everybody
has watched, everybody's listened, Folks have been to games. They

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knew that it was Clayton Keller's birthday yesterday. It's that
people know and people were a part of year one
and they're excited for year number two. It's not oh,
what's going on here, Oh, Utah has an NHL team.
It's people know and they've watched, they've listened, they've been
to games, and they're starving for more.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
So I've been I've been setting some over unders for
Utah football for the upcoming season, having a little bit
of fun with that. And and since we're on that
theme for now, the Utah Hockey Club now to be
the Utah Mammoth. Uh there their average goals per their
goals per game average, I should say last year was

(01:11:01):
was what just under three? We were sitting at two
point nine to three per game. There's not a massive
gap between where they're at, you know, twentieth in the
league versus the number one team in the league three
three and a half goals per game Tampa Bay Washington,
they were at three and a half games, three and

(01:11:23):
a half goals per game. Effectively, where does this team
need to get to to be the playoff team? We're
not talking about them yet as Stanley Cup contenders. Where
does this team need to get to in terms of
goals per game in order to be where they should
be in year five of the rebuild and now it's
time to make the playoffs. As we've talked about so

(01:11:44):
many times, over three, right, you always want to be
over three, And I think I feel good saying three
point two five goals game is something that is in the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Reach for next year.

Speaker 7 (01:12:01):
I think our analytics from last season in goals expected,
we had more scoring chances that looked like they were
gonna be goals than we had goals lost. And Kraus,
as a player that was particularly snake bit had twenty
goal seasons in three straight years, didn't get there last year.
So I think I think we're gonna see a sizeable

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increase this year, and I'd set it. I'd set it
three point oh eight and is the is the over under?
And I'd take three point one nine, Okay, thinking thinking
in my gut it's gonna be about three point two five.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Okay, three point twenty five would be good for ninth
in the league in last year. Yeah, we'll see how
it plays out in this upcoming cycle. That's that's enough
to get you at least into the playoffs. Is it
enough to win you a playoff series? You think that's
that's the biggest thing. It's going from regular season to

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playoff mode. And can you adjust in a seven round,
first round playoff series against a team that's been in
the playoffs before? Are you gonna Are you gonna be
able to jump right in and split the first two
games on the road?

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Are you gonna be able to hang with them?

Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
Because it usually takes a year of being in the
playoffs to get that feel, to take that pain to
go back with it, be like, okay, now we're ready
for the playoffs. Now, now now we're in playoff mode.
Went to the regular season, had a good regular season,
qualified for the playoffs, had that good first round, but

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can we can we push over the top against a
team that's been in the playoffs before to win that series.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
So, Adrian Denny, by the way, talking Utah Mammoth between
the pipes here on the Sean O'Connell show, we haven't
really settled in to the rhythm of NHL, like we
know the rhythm of college football. Camp starts today NFL football.
You know when training camp and OTA's and all that

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stuff are this time of year for the Mammoth players, coaches,
front office staff. Obviously you're very busy right now doing
this Mammoth Week. What does it look like for the
guys who are actually going to be skating right now
in late summer, so they're on their own, they're working out,
they have the plans that the performance teams giving them,

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so typically looks like whether they're spending the summer here
or back in Minnesota, Toronto where they're from, it's wake up, skate,
work out, and just stay in shape. A lot of
guys will take a week or two off when the
season ends and then back to work and it's pretty

(01:14:53):
much a Monday through Friday schedule, just like during the season,
the training and the skating, except in the summer for
for the hockey guys. And then that's where they add
in plenty of golf in the afternoons. Oh golf, so
many professional athletes, that's like their outlet.

Speaker 7 (01:15:13):
I don't understand. I'm so glad. I'm so glad to
hear you say that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
It's because I'm terrible at it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
I fully, I fully admit that if I was any
any good at it at all, I'm sure I would
like it the way that most people do.

Speaker 7 (01:15:27):
But I'm terrible. The whole thing just makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
All of it. It's fair, all of it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:32):
So and nobody ever, nobody ever has that same sentiment
as you. So I feel good hearing that last thing
before I let you go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
That we we were talking about, you know, one of
the great stars in the NBA, Luka Doncic is it
seems like finally taking his body seriously right. And uh,
the question of whether that's because of the influence of
Lebron James or it's because it's a spikee body. Uh,
he's mad at the Dallas Mavericks. So he's showed him,
all Right, you don't think I'm serious, So I watch

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this whatever kind of doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
The results are there. He's lean, he's mean, and it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Creates a conversation about professional athletes and taking care of
their bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
And again, we're new ish to the NHL.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
So what does that look like for a lot of
these guys, Because in the NBA, yes it's a contact sport,
it's not a collision sport. The schedule in the NHL
is as demanding, but the actual game itself has to
be a lot harder on your body. I see so

(01:16:35):
many hockey players where I'm like that guy probably has
a beer during intermission and eats a hot dog. But
then I don't think you can actually get away with
that anymore. So the players that you've talked to, how
close you are to all this? What does that look
like for NHL players? How much time, effort, energy, money
goes into taking care of the body. Yeah, it's in

(01:16:58):
the last five ten years everything the sports science has
just gotten I don't want to say so over the top,
but so next level. Like I remember ten fifteen years
ago with the Grizzlies in the ECHL, and it's a
different level but you hear stuff. You hear coaches talking

(01:17:22):
like so and so's out of shape. I can't believe this, right,
it's we're forty games in and so and so's still
out of shape. And I haven't heard any of that
in the last five ten years because it's so so dialed.
They're being paid so well and the team is giving

(01:17:46):
them such a detailed plan that take the week or
two off and then you're back to work. But it
has been a long long time since I heard a
coach a trainer at gam under their breath, you know,
because because you talk off the record and you hear stuff.

(01:18:06):
It has been a long time since I've heard anybody
say anything about a hockey player coming to camp out
of shape or being half half the season.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
And how is so and so still out of shape?

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
I don't even know how that would be physically possible, ye,
to be out of shape halfway through a season. I
do see how you could come in off the golf
course and just be like, I'll play my way into shape.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
We see that in the NFL all the time. You
see that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
I think in the NBA there was a lot of
conversation around around Jokic that way and around Doncic that way,
so and and.

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
With this team this year in training camp in particular,
if someone was to say to come to camp and
not be ready to go, not be able to play
in game action at what they were last year, they're
going to be put on waivers with the intent of
being sent to the AHL. Because that's there's there's gonna be, guys,

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as there is every year the plate in the NHL.
Last year across the board, all thirty two teams come
to camp are what they were last year, and don't
don't make the team end up on waivers and get
said to the AHL.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
All right, we're up against the break here, so thank
you again for coming in. And uh, if you get win,
do or get to see Veggie's new mask before the
rest of us. Yeah, make an agreement just between us,
all right, Yes, you take a picture of it, you send.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
It over, send it over. I will.

Speaker 7 (01:19:40):
And it's it's it's hard to do that because these
companies that do the painting and stuff, there's always leaks.
They all have their own Instagram accounts. It's like they
scoop the player with the mask and I think we
just saw it with the pads.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Yeah, well you got it. You gotta get the clicks.

Speaker 7 (01:19:58):
Yeah, it makes sense, but but second I see it,
I'll get it over love that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Thanks for coming in as always, appreciate your time. Thanks
O see, thanks for having me in between the pipes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
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(01:21:55):
Of course, there's a fifty one member selection committee comprised
of coaches, scouts, journalists evaluating the equalities that define Dick
Buckus's illustrious career, toughness, leadership, competitiveness, football character, and traditional
linebacking skills. So there's fifty one guys on the preseason

(01:22:18):
watch list for the Buckus Award.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
That's big.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Alabama's got two guys on the list, Clemson's got two
guys on the list, George's got two guys on the list.
LSU's got two on the list. Michigan, Mississippi, that's Ole,
Miss Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Pittsburgh, Texas, and that's it.

(01:22:45):
All have two individuals on the Buckus Award watch list.
I like that because it means they're gonna split their votes. Okay,
so when you make an Alabama guy, an Ohio State guy,
and a Michigan guy one of their teammates also on
the watch list, that's gonna be hard.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
It's gonna be hard to win.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
It if a certain a certain ute's gonna come up
the middle and get home. If you split your votes
like that, Lander Barton is on the list. Guess who else?

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Guess what other tea best two guys on the list
b Yu, Jack Kelly, Isaiah Glasker on the Buckus Award
watch And really argue with that, you can't know Utah.
So Lander's the only one from Utah. Lander's the only
one from Utah. Levanni de Mooney is probably in that
next tier you would imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I would think that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
If he did not miss all of last season, he'd
probably be getting some of this, some of these preseason recognition.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
But tough. When tough when you miss a whole.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
Year and you you go out of the consciousness of everybody,
including these awards, to to get recognized like this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Did you know that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
There's a Buckets Award hand it out to college player,
which is the one we talk about all the time.
And they also award this this buck Kiss Selection Committee
gives one to a high school player and to a
professional player.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
Oh, I didn't know that. And it's all best best
linebacker at the levels.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
So Jalen Walker of Georgia ended up being selected a
fifteenth by the Atlanta Falcons in this this draft. He
won it for the college award. Last year, a young
man named Christian Jones from Omaha who's now at the
University of Nebraska won it for the high school award,
and Zach Bond of the Philadelphia Eagles, who had an

(01:24:41):
unbelievable year he really did in a contract year that
he was like kind of like a fringe guy, almost
ended up being one of the best linebackers well, according
to the Buckiss Foundation, the best linebacker in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
So I didn't know that that's school. I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
I didn't know that they and maybe this is officially
recognized as one of the NFL awards, right, but I
didn't know that outside foundations.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Could we're allowed to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Give best player at whatever position award in the pro league?

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Should we start doing that? Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Should we make like a An O'Connell Award, Yeah, make
it incredibly prestigious. How about the Shawnees be like, hey,
congrat Just randomly call some NFL All Star Congratulations Josh Allen,
what you've won the Sean O'Connell Award for the NFL

(01:25:39):
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
He's like, oh, cool, thanks? What is that?

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
No, he's too afraid to add, he's too afraid to
be impolite to ask what it is. Actually, he seems
like he's such a nice guy, Like have you seen
all the videos of him at camp signing all the autographs,
and like, you know they have that they have like
the special area for the special need fans, and he
goes up and he spends extra time talking to him

(01:26:03):
and things like that, and it's just so heartwarming and
wonderful to see the one I saw either earlier today
or maybe it was last night. He started to run away,
like you needed to get to practice, or maybe he
was leaving practice he needed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
To get to the locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
And this little girl that he was about he was
about to sign her autograph, she was the next one,
and he left.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
She started crying. Oh no, So he's like, oh, no,
and he ran back.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
He ran back and signed hers, but then he got
stuck for like another twenty pot.

Speaker 5 (01:26:30):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Yeah, I mean you love that though. Yeah, no, I
mean you totally understand. And as you're when you're become
an adult who follows sports or as a sports fan,
you understand even more obviously, but you totally understand. Guys
are like, I don't have time to sign or talk
to everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yes, but you love that that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Guys like Josh Allen, he's now definitely a veteran in
the NFL, an MVP and one of the two or
three best quarterbacks in the league. He has every all
the status to be able to say, no, you can't
take anyone more anymore in my time. But he's not
that he's not jaded enough to to uh be to

(01:27:13):
feel that sensitivity of oh that girl's crying, that girl
they're screaming because I missed them, goes back and does it.
You know, you know what's crazy is like the problem
is and it's not a problem, it's it's a blessing
for these guys to have that notoriety and to have
fans and all that stuff. But when you do take
the extra minute to have that interaction turns to a

(01:27:37):
half hour and a half an hour. And by the way,
these guys have families and sometimes they have friends that
like want to go to lunch with them, and they're like, dude,
come on, what are you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
We get it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
People know you you're the coolest. But Josh, you know
that might be the award we give Josh Allen Nice
the Sky Award.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
He's just like, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
You're known, you known known as as a really nice guy,
so that I think it would I think it would
fit that. Actually, oh, that'd be the greatest award, the Shawnee.
It's for being the nicest guy. People like, you're not
even that nice.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
I saw you boop that guy and you're not You're
not known for being nice. Why are you giving the
nice guy award? What are you talking about? I'm very nice. Yeah,
you're not talking to the right people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Excuse me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
I'm incredibly nice and I'll prove it to you if
you don't shut up by punching in the face.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
How nice that anyway?

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
My wife, by the way, uh, she decided she was
a She didn't have an NFL team, so I think
three or four years ago, she decided roll with the Bills.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
She calls she calls Josh Allen Joshi. She calls him Joshi. Yeah.
Did she choose that because he's so handsome or what
was the No? It was so.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
Here's how the conversation went. She's like, I think I
need an NFL team, just randomly, and I'm like, okay, cool.
And she's like, I want to be different than yours,
so I'm not gonna pick the Colts. I'm like, okay, fine,
You've offended me greatly, but fine. And she's she's like,
what about the Broncos? And I kind of looked at
her sideways, like a lot of just about everybody here
is a Broncos fan, like, maybe pick something else, you know.

(01:29:17):
And I would have said the same thing for the
Niners too, because maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
You're brand new.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
Let's pick a team that not everybody here likes, right,
even though I like the Niners more, your Niners more
than I like the Broncos. She goes, she goes, well,
I want a team that's not terrible, but it's like,
but that's like on the rise but not necessarily considered
to be on the bandwagon. I said, well, I really

(01:29:42):
like the Bills. And so she's like, she's like, okay, Bills,
here we go. And now she's like, she doesn't watched
regular season games with me, but the playoff games she
like lives and dies with them.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Have you gotten her like the Zuba's pants? I have
not yet. She's like, I think I need to get
merch got a folding table and thrown her through it.
Yet we need we need to actually have her become
a Bills fan.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
You're right, she's not.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
She can't say she's part of Bill's mafia until we
do something like that. How you know what an incredible
shock it would be if nice Guy James walked in
one day. Oh I'm known as nice guy okay, and
you're just like, honey, I gotta slam you through a
folding table in order to be to be a Bills fan.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
She's like, what are you talking about Bill's mafia? Baby?

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Let's go like here's well, here watched here, watched these thousand,
this thousand videos of of drunken Bills fans breaking table.
What a weird thing for them to get into anybody
is That's the Joshi Back to the Buckus Award Isaiah Glasker,
Jack Kelly, Keaton Thomas from Baylor, Keishawn Elliott from Arizona State,

(01:30:49):
Austin Romaine from Kansas State, Lander Barton from Utah, of course,
Brian McCoy from Oklahoma State, Caleb Elarms from TCU, and
Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech. Nine guys from the Big
twelve conference on the list fifty one total to honor

(01:31:11):
Dick Buckus's fifty one number fifty one Jersey fifty one
members of the selection committee, Lander Barton has to convince
those people.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
That he deserves a Buckus Award.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Now at this time last year, you in particular, but
I was with you on the Lander Barton Hi last
year that we were trying to drum up, we probably
would have said he's a shoe in to win the award,
I hear.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
I'm not sure. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
This award, by the way, goes back to nineteen eighty five.
It's a relatively it doesn't have the same deep history,
so it's like the Remington.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Award then for centers.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Okay, yeah, basically yeah, And they've been giving the professional
award only since two thousand and eight, okay maybe, and
the high school version of the award only since two
thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Okay, maybe that took them that the foundation that long
to convince the NFL, hey, we want to be the
one to give you to give out your best linebacker award.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Okay, you know, you know, it's actually really interesting to
look at and with the high school one. The first
winner of the high school award was Manti Tale. Oh
it worked out. Yeah, they did a good job recognizing
his talent. Yeah. A bunch of these other guys you
don't really know who they are even from like a
college football world, Like there's some that are now NFL players.

(01:32:38):
In twenty eighteen, Nikobe Dean won it. In twenty thirteen,
ray Kwan McMillan won it justin flow from He ended
up going to Oregon and then UCLA rights or USC.
He won it in twenty nineteen. But they haven't necessarily

(01:33:01):
hit home runs with the high school winners of the
Buckets Award in terms of guys who are gonna move
on and be great. And counterpoint is they were great
at the level they gave out the award. We don't
care if they're we don't care what happens afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I kind of care.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
I kind of do when they're like, hey, you're an
All American high school player, and then that All American
high school player like never gets to start a college game.
I'm like, he wasn't an All American. Then he played
for a cool team and had good politics. Yeah, that's
how I feel he game the system. I'm gonna I'm
gonna put you on the spot because it's one of
my favorite things to do. Tell me that it gives

(01:33:40):
you so much pleasure. The uh the last person at
a current Big twelve school to win the Buckets.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Award, All right, current Big twelve school, it's gotta be
a Texas or Oklahoma or current twelve school. Sorry, yeah,
to be I actually have no idea. Yeah, there's absolutely
no I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Even think of what school it might be from.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
It's Colorado in nineteen ninety six, Matt Russell. Okay, shout
out to Matt Russell. Before that, Alfred Williams of Colorado
won it in nineteen ninety shout out to Matt Russell,
a cousin of jazz great Brian Russell.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
I'm sure probably probably that. I mean, this is Texas
has had.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
A winner, and the Big Twelve Conference is not exactly
a linebacker conference.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
James, Well, it should be easy for Lander to win
them this year. Let's go. I think that actually works
against him.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
You tell me, Illinois got two winners of this come on,
and the Big twelve only.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
I can only think of one Illinois player in the
history of a line I football, you know, even not
even guy from.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Last year I can think of. You know who is
Juice Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Okay, do you remember Juice Williams. He was a quarterback,
one of their only good years in.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Recent history and a great nickname. Obviously, oh okay from
two thousand and seven.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
The last ron Zook was the head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Last five winners Jeremiah Wusu Cora Moa from Notre Dame,
Nikobe Dean from Georgia, Jack Campbell from Iowa, Peyton Wilson
from NC State, Jalen Walker from Georgia, Nicoba, Blaine by
the way, pulling the rare double.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
He won the high School Award and he is he.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
In one day he will win the Pro Award. Is
I feel like Iowa, even though it's known as like
tight end you, I feel like that's so that's not
surprising at all that one of an Iowa linebacker won
it recently.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Yeah, Jack Campbell was a great linebacker at Iowa. He's
the only winner from Iowa. Really, Okay, I would have
guessed more. Oklahoma has a bunch. Oklahoma had Brian Brian
Bosworth twice. The first two was the first two went
to the bos Rocky Kalmus in two thousand and one,
Teddy Layman in two thousand and three. And Notre Dames

(01:36:18):
had Mantiiteo, they had Jalen Smith, they had Jeremiah Wusu Corromoa.
Let's see if we go back farther for Notre Dame. Yeah,
so the Utah hasn't had one. Utah hasn't had one.
Byu hasn't had one. And the only current Big twelve
school that has had one has has has two, and
it's Colorado had two going all the way back to

(01:36:39):
nineteen ninety six and then nineteen ninety before that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
It feels it feels impossible. I just thought of this.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
I wonder if there are any schools in the FBS
that have not had anyone on the watch list.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
It feels impossible with.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
The amount of with the amount of people they put
on these watch lists that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
That would be interesting saying needles.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
So let's see how many years nineteen eighty five was
forty years ago, right, fifty one players per year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
There's one way. There's the school out there that's never
had a guy in the watch. I bet there is.
I bet like Western Kentucky place like that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Maybe I should say I should say power four or five. Yeah,
because you're right, group of five. They probably get left
off of this quite a bit. I can tell you something.
I am not going to go through the history the
historical lists and figure out if there's if there's been
one or not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
I'll do it in my spare time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
We could probably ask a non existent spare If I
was willing to use AI, I would do it. But
I'm not willing to use AI just out of principle.
I'm going to be the last one. We like our
jobs AI.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
I'm gonna be the last.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
One to be like, hey, Grok, is this true. I'm
gonna keep asking Gronk and what what would Allen Iverson
know about the Buckets Award? Anyway, times if you use
that joke in people, like in public with people and
had them just be like wait, what, who's Allen Iverson

(01:38:10):
Lander Barton on the Buckus Award watch List. The Downtown
Athletic Club of Orlando is the one that hands this
bad boy out in the Buckis Foundation. Of course they do,
because you think of you think of Dick Bukis, you
think of Orlando and the Downtown Club.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
For sure. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
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I don't like giving bad news, especially on the start
of fallcamp for the University of Utah. One of the
all time Utah greats, Zack Moss, has been released by
the Cincinnati Bengals. He signed a two year deal with
the Bengals back in twenty twenty four that was worth
eight million dollars. He restructured that deal down to one

(01:41:15):
point seven million in twenty twenty five. This is gonna
cost the Bengals one point nine ish in dead money
against their salary cap. But in eight games last year,
Boss at two hundred and forty two yards two touchdowns.
He's been dealing with a neck injury. He started training
camp on the non football injury list because of the

(01:41:36):
neck injury last season, and it just the prognosis hasn't
been adequate for Cincinnati to want to keep him around.
They got samaj p Ran and they drafted Taj Brooks
from Texas Tech last year. So Cincinnati moving on from
Zack Moss.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
It's tough news because he is a legend, tough news
for a lot of people around here, but also because
he had a really good breakout year with the Colts
the season before he signed this deal. I guess two
years ago when Jonathan he had the opportunity when Jonathan
Taylor missed some games with injury to step in, and

(01:42:17):
he stepped up and to the point where the Bengals
were like, we don't need Joe Mixon, we don't need
to pay him, We'll just sign We'll sign Zach Moss
a much more economical deal. And unfortunately he has the
neck injury and it's over for him, at least with
the Bengals. Hopefully he gets another chance soon because he

(01:42:38):
I mean, it seemed like there was some real momentum,
oh see for his NFL career after his season with
the Colts a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
The good news is that he's put in enough time
that I think he's vested. And the better news is
that even if you know, it starts to be more
difficult for him to find a gainful employment in the
National Football League. Zach Moss is a dude who's incredibly intelligent,

(01:43:06):
incredibly charismatic. He's earned a really good nest egg of
money for himself. He's got a future no matter what
he wants to do. And you know, I think what
minus what comes off the books for this you know,
this cut effectively being released here, he's still looking at
about seven and a half million dollars worth of career earnings.

(01:43:27):
I know it's not the big sexy hundred million dollar numbers,
but all of us know that that is a really
nice way to start your life off when you're only
twenty seven years old.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
Yeah, if he's invested well, if he's saved well, he
should he should do be just fine for the rest
of the time, for rest of his earning its career
and needing his work earning span. I guess is the
way I'll say it should be just fine.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
That's a good amount of money.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
So fingers crossed at zach Mosk first of all, the
neck heels all the way, and then of course it
ends up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
Landing on another NFL team. Take a quick one here.

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We start out number three with Craig Bowler Jack buckle
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As you were listening to the Sean o'connall Show from
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Speaker 9 (01:44:25):
M Big dan Utah Sports BYU starting football football camp,
Utah starting fall football camp.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
We kind of really round into the true offseason of
the NBA as a personnel, pretty much said, although Jonathan
Kaminga is still making some headlines. Craig Bowler, jacket's been
a minute. We're glad to catch up with Bowler here
on the Sean O'Connell show.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Bowler, how are you, sir? It's been a minute.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
Yeah, oh see, I'm doing good. Just kind of waiting
for Jazz camp to open. I'm excited about college, excited
about the NFL Hall of Fame games. So we're making
that slight turn right into football, and of course the
NBA follows along with hockey now in the city. So hey,
it's you know, enjoy the summer. But it's almost August.

(01:45:17):
Hard to believe.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
I know, summer is about over, man, especially with kids
going back to school.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
They go back to school in two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
Well, I swear when I was young, the first day
of school was never until like Labor Day weekend, and
now we're August fifteenth or something.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:45:34):
You know what I hated because we did the same
thing and in college, but they brought us back for
a week and then they say go away for a week,
you know, for Labor Day. I go, Man, I don't
want to start this up twice, but you know it
kind of turned out that way. It's it's crazy, but no,
it's a fun Hey, it's a fun time, you know,
football especially, and then we'll get into the NBA later,

(01:45:57):
but you know, nothing like having camp so open. And
like I said, the NFL is just around the corner
with the Hall of Fame game.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
Before we get into any of that, before we look forward,
let's look back at Summer League. And you know, we
we haven't really recapped, at least the two of us together.
What you know, he Jazz produced the Summer League MVP.
You got some good reps out of young guys out
of the sophomore class, especially if that's the right way
to say it. Just your thoughts on Summer League relative

(01:46:25):
to expectations, what you saw from the Jazz talent. I
know we all would have liked to have seen a
little bit more from Ace. But what'd you think.

Speaker 5 (01:46:34):
Well, first, you got to go with Philipowski, right, I mean,
that's quite an honor to be able to win the
Las Vegas Summer League MVP awards. So that put a
lot of eyes on Hmoc. I think obviously builds confidence too,
and we'll see how that translates in his sophomore season.
I've got some high hopes for him. I mean he
could be a great you know, steal at the thirty

(01:46:55):
two spot early second round, you know, back in twenty four.
So you know, I think the Jazz are anxious to
see how he plays. Obviously, you saw a lot of
Isaiah Collier. Still needs to maybe just gear down, you
know from from sixth to fifth, you know, driving the Lamborghini.
I mean the guy is absolutely uh you know, a

(01:47:19):
machine on the floor. But he has the added to
that the Jazz need. What Will Hardy spokes so much
of last year, you know, some dog mentality, some toughness.
Uh there were a couple of times, you know, got
some altercations, nothing crazy, but you know, you have to
fight in this league to gain that type of respect,
especially if you run the show at the point. So
I like that. I'm anxious to see Taylor Hendricks back. Uh.

(01:47:41):
You know, his body looks good. It was a wicked
injury three games in last year. O see, and and
I think this will be obviously, you know a tell
a telltale sign of just you know, how far he's
come and what kind of strength that he's gained and
what kind of player he's going to be. Uh, there's
a lot of young talent, but a lot of unknowns.

(01:48:03):
You know, they haven't been picked to win more than
eighteen and a half to nineteen games. But you know
what I'm all about surprises. Look, you got to I
guess you got to protect the eighth the eighth pick, right,
the one that's protected from OKC. But I think what
Austin Inge wants to do is just go play. The
vets are gone. I guess the other key of the
summer too, by the way, is that the vets are gone,

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and basically the minutes are going to be used by
a bunch of nineteen and twenty year old's minus lowry marketing. Right,
So the front line looks strong, backcourt seems intriguing. Is
there a room enough for everybody? Most likely not, So
it should be an interesting camp.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
You know, will Hardy better than I do?

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
I wonder if you know, like you said, the veterans
are gone and there's not going to be this tomfoolery
of well, hey, there's an injury here, so he's sitting
and yeah, you know you do like you get to
go play and you you probably have to lean all
the way in on player development because you know you're
not going to win a ton of games. But is

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it in some ways, even though you have less talent,
less veteran talent at least on the team this year,
is that a more direct or easier coaching job? Do
you think for Will Hardy because there's none of that manipulation.
It's just let's go out and see what we can
do with the bodies available to us.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
Yeah. Look, oh see from my chair, I would say yes.
He may have a different answer, but I'm telling you,
I would think that he's got to be excited coming
from the Popovich coaching tree, you know, spending them what
eleven years in San Antonio. I mean that's what you do.
You go coach and you want to see growth, and
he saw some with the last couple of classes. But

(01:49:45):
now the green light's on. Austin age has given him
the ability to be the coach he wants to be,
and that is the coach and to develop And he
always says, he says it to us every year and
our meetings is that Look, this is not an easy
league and it's ish at times, and you know what,
only the strong survive with talent, and that's what the
Jazz are going through right now with this new draft class.

(01:50:09):
And we don't know much about Ace as you said,
because of the injury. And Walter Clayton Junior same, even
though there's excitement around him as well. I mean he's
four year guy, won a national championship, you know, hit
big shot and also play some d so that that
kind of elevates the excitement level too. But I think
what the Jazz finally realizes that, Look, they got to

(01:50:32):
find one hundred grand for saying that marketing was you know,
still nurse in a sore knee or a hamstring or
a lower back, and we had, you know, the Jazz
had to kind of formulate a plan on who was
going to play every night right this year. You just
whoever earns minutes is playing, and that may decide obviously
who stays and who goes contracts. You know, they're going

(01:50:55):
to extend Walker Kestero. See that's the other thing. They've
gotten till October to do that. But I'll be an
intriguing moment if the Jazz decided to go there. So
I think what they do this year, if if they win,
it's a great thing in many ways because they see development.
But I don't think anyone expects the Jazz to take
the Western Conference by storm. But yet I think they'll

(01:51:18):
see the same steps that Oklahoma City did and Houston
and Orlando is to make those steps, you know, one year,
one season at a time, but hopefully you know, doesn't
take that much time, if if you know what I mean.
So You've got a couple of vets, Nurkics being one
of them, and Lowry market and being yet another, and

(01:51:40):
you know, how does it work out? You know, what
are the minutes? And how does that second unit work too?
Those are all things I think Will Hardy is excited
to formulate and put into his into his own game
plan about these young guys and watch them grow and
watch them learn but also earn the minutes. And I
think that's going to be the biggest key to watch.
Who actually say is who actually plays the best to

(01:52:02):
be on the floor of the most minutes and who
closes out games? That sometimes is a excuse me as
the biggest key of all on who who the Jazz
have their their site set on for this future run
and the core of this franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Greg Bowler Jack our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
sho talk in Utah Jazz in Summer League in this
NBA offseason. For now, maybe we'll touch on some football
before the conversation is over. Uh, We've we've seen some
movement in this offseason. You've touched on some of it
is you know outside of Salt Lake City? Is there
a move or a new addition to any one of

(01:52:36):
these teams that really has you intrigued to you know,
maybe keep an eye on an outside market.

Speaker 5 (01:52:44):
Uh, you know there's a few. This wasn't the biggest
off season free agent market, you know. OC I'm still
waiting to see where Cominga goes. Uh what is what
is Lebron gonna?

Speaker 8 (01:52:57):
Do?

Speaker 5 (01:52:57):
You know? I mean he's kind of holding his hat
on this US quite a bit. I mean, do they
want to move him? I mean, I don't know. Let's what.
I don't know what your thoughts are, but it just
seems odd. You know that there's still this as we
hit August in a couple of days that you know,
the Lebron's obviously a headliner of you know, deciding if
he's going to take his son BRONI at that's part

(01:53:17):
of a deal or not. I think some teams help themselves.
Other teams kind of stayed flat. They made some moves.
Oklahoma City still seems to me to be the team
that's going to come back in with a Swaggert hard
to go back and win back to back titles. The
Jazz got there twice, but couldn't you know, win ninety

(01:53:39):
seven or ninety eight, But just to get there is
a tough task by itself. Who stays healthy? Those are
all questions I always ask, you know when the season starts,
and then who makes you know, those big trade deadline
moves prior to the All Star break will be another
big storyline as we as we move on. So yeah,
I think the league is still pretty stable from where

(01:54:00):
it was. I'm anxious to see if if Lebron gets moved.
And obviously Luca's body has been a big story about
him slimming down, you know, big issue in Dallas. They
weren't gonna pay him or bought into his his lifestyle.
But we'll see at the California diet is gonna is

(01:54:21):
gonna stay with Luca or not?

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
Are you? Are you buying selling that bowler?

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
Do you think that this is like a we saw
this with in his can Do you remember what in
his Canter did this and we were just like, oh wow,
turning over a new leaf didn't didn't end up being
fully sustainable.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Do we think it will be for Luca?

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
No? I don't. I just think he is who he is.
You know, he grew up. You know he likes beer. Okay,
beer's come with calories. You know, does he burn a
lot off, burn a game? You know, he kind of
plays at his own, his own pace, right, But it'll
be interesting to see if he likes what he sees.

(01:55:02):
Oh see. You know he may look in the mirror
and go, hmm, I've never seen this type of body before.
Cannor liked it. I remember he did a couple of
flexes and stuff. When he came back. We go, WHOA,
what happened to you? But you know, it all comes
and goes, right, It's hard to sustain during the course
of eighty two six seven months, eating, you know, drinking

(01:55:23):
on the road, whatever particular beverage you like. And we
know what beverage he likes, but hey, if he can,
it should help his game and maybe you know, the
shredded pounds actually keeps him on the floor and healthier.
That's the biggest key I think the Lakers want to
see as the investment is so high. Can he stay
away from the ankle problem? Can he stay away from

(01:55:43):
the calf strains? Can he stay away from the hamstrings?
And so maybe the the you know, the the weight
that he lost will play played dividends for them in him.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
What do you think the Jazz fan relationship with with
college basketball is going to be this year? Not not
just like watching our utes and watching the Koogs, although
there's a strong crossover here, but you know there was
there was all the one I on man, we're tanking
so we can get Cooper flag. Let's at least watch
the Cooper flag highlights. Let's let's watch let's watch the

(01:56:17):
Ace Baileyes of the world. Let's see if this VJ
Edgecomb guy might end up in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
So let's pay some more attention to this.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
I mean, are more people going to be paying attention
to BYU basketball in Salt Lake City? Because there's hope
that aj Debonsa ends up going to the Utah Jazz. Eventually,
there's a lot of chagrin and people felt jaded by
the way that that lottery worked out.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Do we fall for it again?

Speaker 5 (01:56:45):
Oh? Oh see? Man, we could talk for hours on that.
I think with Austin Age, even though he said we're
not going to play that game any longer, it may
happen on its own. And if you know what I mean,
it's not like, you know, putting the chess pieces out there,
moving one veteran one night to play one and then
we'll rest him for five. The John Collins and the
Collins Secons, the and the Jordan Clarkson's are gone. Great

(01:57:08):
guys by the way. I'll miss him because of just
their personalities. And they still got a lot in the tank.
You know, JC Lands in New York. What a guy's
gonna be a fashion icon more than he ever was
in Salt Lake walking into Madison Square Garden. But I
think that the youth of this team may dictate obviously
wins and losses, and where the Jazz land in the lottery.

(01:57:29):
It won't be as publicized and they just happen just
morphing itself into minutes played by a bunch of eighteen, nineteen,
and twenty year olds, and so maybe that's the plant
Austin has is to let him go. Let's see what happens,
and then you know, down the stretch, if it's close
and you're gonna lose that pick to oka see, then

(01:57:50):
maybe things change. But I think it's just gonna I
think my gut is let him play and let's see
what happens. Last year, the Cooper Flag, you know, sweepstakes
was so interesting to be a part of. But I
think the Jazz and the NBA and the fans, especially Utah,
understand that there's no guarantees. You had the worst record

(01:58:13):
in the league, seventeen wins, you had, you know, less
than fourteen percent chance of getting the number one pick,
and what happens You lose and go five and Dallas,
who had one point eight percent, ends up with the prize,
and you know, Ace Bailey, Look, let's hope he develops
into something special, but you know it's going to take time.

(01:58:35):
Dallas shut Cooper down, you know in Vegas didn't see
much of him. And I think that's the other problem too,
in my opinion in the NBA is there's so much
invested financially with these players that they're afraid to play
him and because of injury. And you know, I know
Stockton to Malone would just roll their eyes at that,
but it is what it is in today's world. Oh see,

(01:58:57):
you know how much of the Jazz play ace how much?
I mean you got, I had a plan to get
better and sometimes sports is as you know, we all know,
there's risks that you take to step on the field,
are on a court on any given night, there's no guarantees.
But you still got to go play. And I hope
the Jazz open the door and let these guys go
out and do their thing.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
Greg Bowler jack for a couple more minutes here on
the Sean O'Connell Show, if you'll indulge me, Bowler. College
football season is right around the corner BYU and Utah
opening up camp today. And look last year BYU with
a resurgence last year a disaster for the University of Utah.
Optimism high for the Utes because of the offseason acquisitions,

(01:59:40):
new offensive coordinator, new offensive staff, quarterback. Obviously that appears
to be dynamic. You've seen, like I have all of
the preseason honors for that offensive line, especially. I'm looking
at it from the ute perspective, but also from the
college football fan in the state of Utah perspective. This
to me, he feels like a year with a little

(02:00:02):
bit of the old days of the Mount West.

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
Potentially.

Speaker 3 (02:00:05):
I think BYU is going to survive the They're going
to survive the absence of Jake retstuff. I still think
they're going to be good this year. Are you getting
the same vibe that both teams could be really good?
Both teams could be in contention for the Big Twelve
and we could be spoiled on good football in twenty
twenty five in our home state.

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
Yeah, I hope. So. I think it's good for the state,
it's good for college football, it's good for the Big Twelve.
Look Kansas State, Look, I'm always cheering for them, but
you know, we'll see. I think it's going to be
a great a great conference battle. I really do. There's
some good football, and especially if Utah does have the resurgence,
and yeah there's with a new offensive coordinator, I'm very
intrigued to see the pace, oh see of how they

(02:00:46):
play a lot of talk about, you know, getting up
and down the field, a lot more trying to throw
the ball the run game. At times on a pitch
go outside, hit the edge, and that to me is intriguing.
And I'm with you. Look, Byu was one of the
biggest og in college football last year. Yeah, Jake's gone,
but I still think that Obviously that's the centerpiece of

(02:01:07):
any of any team, is the quarterback. But I think
that I think Byu has enough in the tank left over,
and what Kilani has been able to do to really
solidify that team, it says a lot. I mean each
and every year OC, as you know Colonie sometimes names
gets popped up in the last three or four years,
like maybe he's not the right guy. Well, look he

(02:01:30):
is and he always has been. But you know, Dyu
now has what is called nil money, right, and oh
how does that change things? It changed things in basketball, right,
and you know Utah is trying to stay paced with that,
and I think it just makes for intriguing conversation and competition.

(02:01:51):
You know, the nil when you were playing OC, I mean,
come on, I mean I just thought a scholarship was
quite a quite an honor, right, winning.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
A lottery back then. I mean, if you're a scholarship yeah,
that's the best thing in the world. And now these
kids are you know, these kids are trying to be
millionaires before they leave school.

Speaker 5 (02:02:08):
Yeah, they don't understand the fact that the free education
with housing and you know, basically a buffet of food
every time they want more. And look, it's a great debate.
I'm old school and I think you should still appreciate
what a university can give you. And that's an education. Football,
as we all know, doesn't last a lifetime. And you know,

(02:02:31):
everyone has dreams to take it to the next level,
but they're almost at that level in college plus the
scholarship plus nil money and you know the NCAA, you
remember used to chase teams. I'll take a quick story.
I may have told you this one before, but when
I was on air at KSL doing sports Beat Sunday,

(02:02:52):
I had the Heisman Trophy winner on Ty Depmer, great guy,
and I gave him a Sports Beat Sunday hat okay,
And I got a call the next day that he
was going to have to return that because it could
be an nc double A violation. Isn't that crazy, wid

(02:03:13):
I mean, in the world today, it was a four
ninety five cap and you know what I mean, it's like,
hey man, we always gave a guess. Hey man, hey ty,
here you go. We're that proud on campus for right on. Yeah,
okay cool, And they said, yeah, a little worried the
NCUBLEA may look at that as some sort of a gift.
Oh my, but now it doesn't even Isn't that crazy

(02:03:34):
considering today and the fact that the ncublea doesn't chase
anybody really because it's so out in the open. And
some people say that's a good thing because it was
happening any anyway. But for the elite players, mind you.
But now you know, there's a little chunk of change
for a lot of a lot of players out there.
And I don't know where it goes, you know, I

(02:03:56):
don't know if there's a ceiling or they're going to
try to you know, bumper pad on this thing and
just try to keep it, you know, at least put
some common sense on it. But if not, some schools
may not be able to stay stay with it, right,
I mean, we can weaver stay compete. It's hard to
say Utah State broncos there, but still is that enough?

(02:04:18):
But money does talk, and those those those alums with
big checkbooks, and I've witnessed it at Texas and especially
in the SEC when other cbs oc my gosh, there
is there is There is money out there, and alums
are willing to pay if they win. That's the big thing.

(02:04:39):
If you win and put a program on the field
that's gonna you know, do damage, then they're all behind you.
But once it kind of you know, tails off, the
checkbooks closed, and then you have to kind of regroup.
But uh boy, there's a lot of money involved right now.

Speaker 3 (02:04:51):
So much so there's business kind of weird undercurrent for
the last couple of seasons really about whether or not
Kyle Whittingham is on his lastlast year. And yeah, we
asked him this offseason, you know why was why you
decided to come back? And he didn't say it out right,
but he did kind of allude to, Look, you can't

(02:05:12):
walk away on a note like last year, like I can't.
You know, a lot of people I've talked to think
this is it. A lot of people said that two
years ago as well. So take everything with a grain
of salt. But I mean, he is one of the
best coaches in all of college football. He's the second
longest tenured guy in all of college football. If this

(02:05:33):
is the final go for Kyle Whittingham, what does that
mean for Utah football.

Speaker 5 (02:05:38):
Well, I don't think he's going to mention it, which
is a good thing. There will be some people behind
the scenes that pretty much have an indicator that it is.
But you bring up a great point. He's had a
hell of a run and he's been to two Rose Bulls.
He's had a chance to win both sadly didn't come
out that way. But you know the big win was

(02:06:00):
it eight? You were part of? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
Four was the year I was there young?

Speaker 5 (02:06:04):
Yeah? Four. I mean there's been some incredible wins. Uh,
there's been moments that Utah has just been on top
of the college football you know pile and last year
was a huge disappointment. I get it. I don't think
I'd want to walk out with that type of scenario
and the way things went down. Uh, so why not

(02:06:26):
give it another run? With better and you know, a
strong recruiting class, a very high level offensive line, and
as you mentioned, a new way of doing things that
Utah offensively. That's intriguing. We know what they are defensively,
but I'm anxious to see what type of package they
put on the field and how much disruption that causes

(02:06:47):
for defenses, you know, around the conference. But I think
we're in for a good, a good fall, I really do.
I don't see BYU letting up mach Ya Jake's Gohne.
But you know, as you know, there's people there, young
players waiting to take the next step, and you've got
the right people around you, makes you even better. So
I'm over for good things, red and blue. I think

(02:07:09):
it's only good for the state if it is.

Speaker 3 (02:07:12):
I agree with that, even though people don't like to
hear me say it. On the Home of the Youths
right here before I let you go. Circling back to
the Utah Jazz And you know, it's unfortunate that it
takes this long to have some of these conversations. But
Frank Layden, you knew Frank a lot better than I did.
He was an absolute pillar of the community and he's
been laid to rest, and all of us were sad

(02:07:34):
to see him go, but what a legacy he left.
And I just wanted to give you some space if
you had anything you wanted to tell our listeners about
the late Great Frank Layton.

Speaker 5 (02:07:45):
Oh gosh, oh see, wonderful man just left a lunch
and that kind of honored him. Ronnie Mack was there.
Love to see Mac. Such a great guy and such
a great friend of Frank's. I mean, there were some
tears and people telling stories mostly of his you know,
of the comedy nature, but there were several that stock

(02:08:06):
out that I think people should know. He was the comedian.
He was the guy that took a lot of the
pressure in those early days from the jazz, off the
players onto himself. You know, the iconic statement of what
times a game? Frank A long time? Can you be? Heah?
You know, like I'll start at five p thirty for
you if you want. But you know, Frank was a

(02:08:26):
funny guy, but he was deep. He cared and I
talked to him multiple times, why are you staying? He goes,
why do you stay? Because I'm a transplant myself, you know,
from the Midwest. I said, you know what it feels
like home? I love Utah And he goes there there
you go. He's Catholic and he goes, you're Baptist Methodist.

(02:08:48):
That's the way I was raised. And you know, we're
in a Mormon community. Why not be here and bring
everyone together? And I thought, you know, he's on a mission.
He wants to make this city, the state region just
embraced themselves, work together and and try to help the
fellow man. I know that's heavy, but that's who he was.

(02:09:09):
He was. He did it, oh see, and and ways
of comedy, comedy relief to kind of let everybody loosen
up and then kind of come on the same page
with him. He was a master of dealing with people
up on stage. He could have had his own show

(02:09:29):
in Vegas in my opinion, like George Burns and would
have brought the house down. That's how That's how funny
he was. And one liner's were just they came off
of him. You know, give me another one, give me
another one. But all and all in all, he was
said at the luncheon today is so true when he
said goodbye. He would say this to you every time,

(02:09:51):
is there anything I can do for you? And you
know what, he backed it up. You know, he backed
it up. He always was helping someone with like, you know,
can I help you with your scholarship or with some
financial help with an education. I watched him do that.
West rough Over. Channel four made a great story, had
a great story about him on the golf course, driving

(02:10:12):
up to a young man who had like fifty golf
balls to sell. You've been there where kids around there
trying to, you know, pick up a buck or two
for you know, three three golf balls for two bucks
or whatever. And Frank goes, how many you got? Got fifty?
He goes, I'll take them all. And so the kid
starts to put him in a bag, put him in
a bag for him, hands him a fifty dollars bill

(02:10:33):
and says, you know what, peep them, sell him to
somebody else, and then just takes off with a cigar
in his mouth. That's the kind of guy was, And
West made a great point. The young man who was
involved that day with Frank will always remember that. And
I think that's what most of the people I run
into in Salt Lake, Oh see, they remember Frank and
a story that involved them and him. He was that
type of guy and I miss him. He mentored me

(02:10:56):
when I first came to Salt Lake, and I've always
been thankful for that, just in a sense of making
the transition. And he's one of the first interviews I
ever did on Draft Night eighty five. His iconic words
were bringing a Millman to Salt Lake City, And that
was the first story that I ever covered, was Carl
and Frank and the great jazz fan John Sudberry over

(02:11:21):
at the Old Salt Palace, And those echo with me
still today. I was a young guy and Frank was
just an important cog in the beginning of my career
in Salt Lake and I definitely miss him.

Speaker 2 (02:11:34):
Well, thanks for saying all that, Thanks for giving us
time today. Look forward to the next one.

Speaker 5 (02:11:38):
Bowler appreciate you anytime Paltt talks soon Greg Bowler Jack.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
You hear him on Utah Jazz broadcasts. He's just awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:11:49):
And you know, he is, like Frank, a transplant who
has become part of the fabric of our Utah sports community.
What a cool thing that he mentioned that, you know,
the faith based sort of appeal for for Frank who
was a Catholic, and and and for Bowler to say,
why not bring it all together? That's something that I
think outsiders failed to recognize about Utah. And I've I've

(02:12:15):
been very, very fortunate. I was not raised LDS. I'm
still not LDS. I was raised in the Catholic Church.
I don't really practice anymore, but I always thought that
it was a very welcoming and cool place. I'd never
even thought about. You know, Ron McBride is a pillar
of the community, not Mormon. Frank Layden pillar of the community,

(02:12:38):
not Mormon. I don't believe Jerry Sloan was you know,
like you talk about guys like Bowler, there's there's a
bunch of important people in this community. It's not always
that the outside perception is like, oh, it's just like
it's this insular thing and if you're not Mormon, you're
not going to be embraced.

Speaker 2 (02:12:56):
I just don't think that's the reality.

Speaker 3 (02:12:58):
And we have great examples of that with uh, not
only just not only our athletes, but some coaches and
broadcasters and things like that. Yeah, it's uh, it's something
like I I growing up in Saint George.

Speaker 4 (02:13:10):
It's a it's a different area, but it's still not
there's still not this like you're an outsider. We don't
we don't accept you. But it is a lot more
a lot more higher saturation of l d S people
sure of LDS members in Saint George than there is
along the Wasasatz front certainly in in the Salt Lake
Valley in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 2 (02:13:30):
So I think that.

Speaker 4 (02:13:32):
It was definitely not something that I noticed as being
as a member of that community growing up in the church.
But I always felt like we Utahn's were were open
and accepting to just about anybody of any of any backgrounds.
And I think I think certainly that's the case here

(02:13:55):
and and you all those guys you mentioned up here
in Salt Lake area, all those as you mentioned, I
think certainly probably felt more of that way because they've
lived in a bigger in a bigger city and with
with a lot more with a lot less lower saturation
of of members of the old s Church than like

(02:14:19):
a smaller place like Saint George was the Saint George
that I grew up in. Man, that place is blowing up,
by the way, but it's huge. But yeah, I think
that is something that a lot of outsiders, a lot
of people that haven't been to Utah lived in Utah,
failed to recognize just how just how open we truly
can be to just about any backgrounds. Of course, we've

(02:14:41):
there's things that have been publicized that are unfortunate, but
it's not it's not that unlike most places in the
United States, and we are we've been working on it
right like and and a lot of it does not
have to do with people of different faiths too, So.

Speaker 3 (02:14:59):
Yeah, I I mean, I didn't even I didn't even
think the conversation would take this turn. But my mind
is going through like a lot of the especially on
the sports front, right there's now that Utah has been,
you know, a Pac twelve and now Big twelve institution especially,
and the recruiting profile really for both Power four schools

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in the state has changed. It like it's just it's
just not it's not what people outside think it is,
and it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:15:29):
I don't know. And there you make a good point.

Speaker 4 (02:15:31):
Certainly since the since Utah and now BYU have leveled
up into power for Power five.

Speaker 3 (02:15:37):
Football, I don't know what the demographic mix is now.
I mean, when I was on the team at Utah,
it was still predominantly Mormon team. I bet that's not
even true anymore. I don't know, but I bet it's not.
I bet it's not either.

Speaker 4 (02:15:52):
And another guy who wasn't here for very long was
the head coach of that team, not more than Urban
Meyer too, who became a pillar for that short time.
Nobody's claiming more, but nobody's claiming urban at this point.

Speaker 5 (02:16:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:16:07):
Anyway, Uh, we gotta take it. We gotta take a break.
Big thanks to Craig Bowlerjack for joining us. It's a
Sean O'Connell show on utaih is number one sports Talk
ESPN seven's.

Speaker 5 (02:16:21):
Sean O'Connell Show. You were home up the best inside
of Huey Hughes.

Speaker 1 (02:16:25):
Let's get back to OOC from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio
of ESPN seven hundred and.

Speaker 3 (02:16:33):
I'm all right refreshing your memory here on the overs
and unders. We said, if you're just tuning in, we
started the show today asking some over under questions for
the upcoming Utah football season. Camp has begun at the

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University of Utah. Players are reported UH practice later this afternoon.
Whittingham and some media availability looking forward to that. I'm
asking three offensive questions on the over unders today. Rush
yards per game over under one ninety nine and a

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half eight seven, seven, three, five three zero, seven hundred.
You taking the over the under at one ninety nine
and a half yards per game. Last year, this offense
produced about one hundred and thirty yards per game in
the rush game. The Pac twelve championship years, they had
two hundred and seventeen yards per game. Both years averaged
two hundred and seventeen yards per game one ninety nine

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point five. If you hit the over and you're talking
about a two hundred yard game, that's good enough for
number five in the Big twelve Conference, number twenty one
nationally going back to twenty twenty four. So you've taken
the over or the under on rush yards per game.
As a Utah football fan, knowing you've got Devin dan
Pierre who runs the ball incredibly well, knowing that you

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brought in a whole new running back room, which may
or may not be a good thing, honestly, because the
running back room at the University of Utah has typically
been pretty good. Marcott Tawaya has a great resume, way
Shawn Parker has a really good resume. So far, you

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got some other talent on this team. What's it going
to look like? One ninety nine and a half for
rush yards per game sacks allowed? I said it at
nine and a half sacks allowed by the Utes this year.
There were five teams who gave up ten or fewer
sacks per game, excuse me ten or fewer for the year,

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including Kansas from the Big Twelve Conference. New Mexico, who
not so coincidentally had the most elusive quarterback in the
country who's now in a Utah uniform, only gave up
five last year. Four of those were Devin Dan Pierre.
One was a backup, So this guy doesn't get sacked.

Speaker 2 (02:18:59):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:18:59):
There are a lot of layers to that onion. He
throws the ball away, he tries to force the ball downfield.
That's why he had twelve interceptions. Hopefully that's not part
of the result this year. You've got a much better
offensive line at Utah than you had at New Mexico,
much better. You also have much better competition rushing your
passer then you had at New Mexico. You've got better

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defensive backs in the Big Twelve Conference. You don't necessarily
have a proven wide receiving corps at the University of Utah,
so there's a.

Speaker 2 (02:19:29):
Lot of layers to it.

Speaker 3 (02:19:31):
Over under nine and a half sacks allowed for the
University of Utah, you would still be, I mean really
good on a national level if you gave up ten.
Oregon's had a couple of years where they only gave
up five. New Mexico only gave up five last year.

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The weird thing is there's also been a lot of
teams that gave up that ten of the number I
listed there, Army, Navy, like a bunch of these teams
are not winning at the highest, highest, highest level because
you know, it's a symptom of the offense they run,
So you can't take it as just all that translates
to great wins and even to great protection. The most

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important over under question I asked was points per game.
Last year, Utah was abysmally bad in generating offensive points
fourteenth in the Big Twelve Conference.

Speaker 2 (02:20:30):
We added a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (02:20:33):
Thirty and a half, all right, twenty three points six
last year.

Speaker 2 (02:20:38):
Thirty and a half is the over under.

Speaker 3 (02:20:39):
If they score thirty one points per game, that would
be good enough for eighth in last year's Big Twelve Conference.
So I'm not even asking you to jump all the
way to the top.

Speaker 2 (02:20:48):
Of the pile.

Speaker 3 (02:20:49):
That's only number forty one nationally thirty one points per
game in last year's NCAA Football World. If Utah canerrate
thirty one points per game, this is the more important
stat you'd have been either eleven to one or ten
and two if you scored thirty one points in every

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game last year. And I know that's not how points
per game averages work, but if you average thirty one
points per game, if you scored thirty one points per
game in all of your contests last year, you only
lose one game outright. The other one goes to overtime
and you have a chance to win it there. But
I'm asking you to add a whole touchdown per game

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to this offense with the new coordinator, with the new offense,
with the same offensive line, but with talent that is
swapping out at every other position. Different coaches in the
wide receiver room, in the running back room, different players
in the wide receiver room, in the running back room.
The tight end role is going to be drastically different,

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even though the tight end's coach is the same person.
I mean, it's a big changeover. This camp, in addition
to what you saw in the spring, is as crucial
as Utah's ever had. Because you're doing this now, You've
never had this level of coaching turnover, this level of

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roster turnover in a power for a conference in the
PAC twelve, even when you had a new coordinator coming in,
there was still some continuity happening. And by the way,
a lot of those years in the PAC twelve, when
you were swapping it out every single year, the expectations
just weren't there. You hadn't you hadn't elevated yourself to

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being a power, a consistent top twenty five team on
the national landscape. Now that's the expectation. That is the
litmus test of did you have a good year or not?
At the University of Utah, are you a ranked team?
If you're not, it's a bad year. It's a privilege
to have that kind of pressure, but it is a

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different world.

Speaker 2 (02:23:00):
So those are your over under questions.

Speaker 3 (02:23:03):
Points per game over under thirty and a half, sacks
allowed over under nine and a half, rushing yards per
game over under one ninety nine point five eight seven
seven three five three zero seven hundred or at real
OC sports if you want to tweet at me, I
think we I think we were in agreement on those
oc We went under on sacks, under on points slightly

(02:23:25):
and then over on rush yards, right or did you
or are you going over on the points?

Speaker 4 (02:23:32):
I'm going over on the points. Okay, so I have
under on the points you have over there.

Speaker 3 (02:23:37):
Sixteen to twenty four says I think they'll average thirty
five minimum a game.

Speaker 2 (02:23:41):
Okay, that is a college football playoff team. If that's
what happened, let's go all right, let's go Okay, gotta
take a quick one here.

Speaker 3 (02:23:52):
There is a trivia question coming, and we've got some
tickets to give away on the other side to Simple
Plan August sixteenth at America First Field RSL Stadium down
there in Sandy. Also catch up with Jeremy Lieber from
Uncommon Education Trading as we close out the show. Next
on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.

Speaker 8 (02:24:15):
Would belong with May Yamy, and I can tell it
one belong it was with May.

Speaker 1 (02:24:31):
You Tune to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety one FM.

Speaker 3 (02:24:41):
Two tickets to Simple Plan at America First Field on
August sixteenth if you can answer this trivia question. In
twenty twenty four, University of Utah average at one hundred
and thirty rushing yards per game, slightly over that. That
was good enough to rank Where in the Big twelve
Conference out of sixteen teams, Where did Utah one hundred

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and thirty yards per game rank in the Big twelve
Conference eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
If you know the right answer, we'll give you a
couple of tickets to Simple Plan August sixteenth, that America
First Field. All right, we've had some people texting in
about this, so we bring back Jeremy Leeber from Uncommon
Education Trading. There are folks out there who are sick

(02:25:25):
of the grind, they're sick of the day job, or
maybe they just want to supplement the income with some trading,
with some playing in the stock market. I like, you
wouldn't know where to begin with a little bit of
without a little bit of education, and we need the
uncommon education type trading from Jeremy Leber.

Speaker 2 (02:25:41):
How are you, sir? Jeremy tried again? You there?

Speaker 5 (02:25:48):
Yes? Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (02:25:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:25:50):
Hey, yeah, I can hear you now?

Speaker 5 (02:25:51):
Awesome?

Speaker 6 (02:25:52):
Perfect, No, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (02:25:54):
Yeah, I appreciate you jumping on again.

Speaker 3 (02:25:56):
So, like I said, we've had some people shooting an
email here there about Hey, look, i've heard you talking
about this. I've thought about it myself. What kind of
realistic gain can I get if I'm not ready to
do it full time? Or you know, there are people
saying like, I'm ready to quit my job if this
is really profitable. When people bring a question like that

(02:26:18):
to you, Hey, where do I start? Do I start
by jumping all in? Do I start by just dabbling
doing an hour a day or so? How do you
handle that question.

Speaker 6 (02:26:26):
Jeremy, Yeah, it's a great question. And what's cool about
the way that we teach is our all immersive you know,
all in programs are designed to only have an hour
or so a day dedicated to learning this skill, just
like most things. It's not you know, this crash course
of you know, three days, full days and you're going

(02:26:48):
to learn it. It's like, no, it's just daily, consistent effort.
Most of our classes are run before the stock market opens,
so it doesn't interrupt with people's work schedule or if
they're students or whatever the cases there, and everything that
we do is geared towards people who have no experience,
right so literally starting at the foundation of what the

(02:27:08):
stock market is helping you set up your account, understanding
how to make money in the market from a short
term investing standpoint like day trading, and then the proper
strategies risk management and you know, management of your portfolio
that can allow you to do this weather that is
a you know, you trade a couple of times a
week for supplemental income, or you want to get to
the point where, yeah, you want to do this full

(02:27:30):
time and you know, get out of the get out
of the nine to five grind or the maybe the
job that you don't love so much.

Speaker 3 (02:27:36):
I hope this isn't a dumb question, but but do
you find that it is sort of intuitive for people
that you know, like you've obviously put together this curriculum.
Is it something that is difficult for the average mind
to master or is this just something that that we
can unlock with a little consistency, Like you said.

Speaker 6 (02:27:56):
That's a great question. So I always tell people if
I can do it, literally, anyone can I. I went
to one semester of college. I played football for a
semester back in Virginia at a small school and had
a two point two GPA. I mean literally just a
horrible student. And the way that we teach it is
the same way that people learn to read music the

(02:28:18):
stock market is simply that it's data and it's a system.
And just like a musician learning to play the piano,
if you don't know what you're doing and you start
banging on keys, it's probably not going to sound too good.
But when you learn how notes are put together, when
you learn proper chords, and then you learn how to
read music, it can sound beautiful, right. And that's the
same way as we teach how to trade the stock market.

(02:28:40):
It's just a bunch of if this, then that scenarios.
We give you the framework and the tools to read
to learn to read the stock market the same way
a musician reads music, and then it just comes down
to execution. And so it's very simple. It's unknown, right,
and kind of the play on our name uncommon is
the whole concept that it's really not that scary or complex.

(02:29:02):
It's just unknown. And so that's where I think a
lot of people's fears come from. But we break it
down in a way that's very easy to understand, very digestible.
We have people who are eighteen years old right out
of high school, and we have you know, seventy five
year olds with Tyreez who trade with us and find
success very quickly with the systems we teach.

Speaker 3 (02:29:19):
Jeremy, I just pulled up your player profile twenty ten
number four, six foot one point eighty three freshman from Farmington, Utah,
Jeremy Leeber.

Speaker 5 (02:29:31):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (02:29:32):
It was a it was a short lived, short lived
little uh little football stay. I played at Beaumont growing up,
had an absolute blast. My dad actually played at the U.
He played with Scott Mitchell. He was number four. He
was a kicker for a few years there. And it's
football is in my is in my blood. I love

(02:29:54):
trading honestly because it allows me to travel and get
to you know, enjoy sports and sporting events and you know,
networking with people that I never would have outside of
this so huge universe of Utah fan you know, kind
of off subject of trading, but really excited for what
we have coming up and in our community, we have
so many people just like me and you who love

(02:30:15):
sports want a little bit more of their time back
and use trading as a way to you know, accomplish that.

Speaker 3 (02:30:20):
Well, that's you know, basically everyone that you ask about
financial goals. Yet you know, some people have numbers, some
people want a certain car. But it seems like the
vast majority of people they want more freedom, they don't
want to be the slave to a job, or they
want even if they're happy with their job, they want
to be able to afford a family vacation that maybe
the salary isn't covering, right, so you can supplement it

(02:30:43):
with something like day trading and uncommon education. Trading makes
that available to people in a way that's meaningful and profitable.
You're going to get there faster with education than trying
to figure it out yourself, right.

Speaker 6 (02:30:56):
One hundred percent. It took me almost four years and
tens of thousands of dollars lost before I started even
kind of understanding how trading worked and start to see success.
Our whole goal we have. You know, we actually have
something that's called our Mastermind program. It's a five week
mentorship with me. We actually just started one on Monday,

(02:31:17):
and you will know and be in the position after
five weeks where I was after almost four years, and
you won't have the bad habits developed. You won't you know,
have the massive losses. You know that I occurred, you know,
or I incurred during that time, and you will have
you know, the correct framework to start succeeding very quickly,
and we see on average, right most people are between

(02:31:40):
that kind of three to four months realm before they
really start seeing a lot of consistency. And we show
you how to trade with as little as five hundred
dollars in your trading account. Or those who are, you know,
a little bit more ambitious and want to see, you know,
like I say, full time source of income. We have
an entire framework of how to help with that. So
it really is for everyone. And whether it's on a

(02:32:03):
very part time you trade once or twice a week,
have a better understanding of how the stock market works,
or you want to take this serious and be a
professional and do this full time like I do, where
you can travel the world, trade for an hour a
day and just live life on your terms. I agree
with you one hundred percent. Freedom really is wealth, especially
in today's world, and I think that's what everyone's speaking.

Speaker 2 (02:32:23):
All right, Jeremy, what's the best way for people to
get a hold of you?

Speaker 6 (02:32:27):
So two ways our Instagram account Uncommon Education Trading or
our website Uncommon education Trading dot com. On both of
those website or Instagram page, you can actually book a
free call with myself or members of our team to
get more information about the programs we offer, how the
whole process works, and to get more information. So feel

(02:32:49):
free to head to either of those spots book a
free call. Would love to chat, whether that's regarding trading
or just if you want to talk to Utah Football.
Would love to connect with any of the liststeners who
may have interests at this point.

Speaker 2 (02:33:02):
Jeremy, thanks for your time today. I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (02:33:06):
Thank you, and go utes Jeremy Lieber Uncommon Education Trading
check him out on Instagram as you said, or Uncommon
Education Trading dot com. Go utes is the right way
to finish the show. Because Utah Football practice today begins.
We're thirty one days away from the season kicking off.

(02:33:27):
Let's do it again tomorrow on The Sean O'Connell Show,
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