2X BEST OF TST 3I Atlas (8/18 & 9/10 2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, anybody home today, I want you to open your mind.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I've almost come to the conclusion that the story is
subdamning that the massive Apple people can't deal with it.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
We are in process of developing a whole series of
techniques two bid people actually to love their certitude.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
We face a hostile ideology, global in scope, atheistic in character.

Speaker 5 (00:29):
Ruthless in purpose, and insiduous in methode.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Or we are opposed around the world by a monolithic
and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for
expanding its sphere of.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
Influence to change the minds and the attitudes and the
beliefs of the people to bring about one world socialist
totalitarian government.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists.

Speaker 6 (00:53):
It is patterned itself after every dictator who's ever planted
the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history.
This is the beginning of time.

Speaker 7 (01:00):
If you can get people to consent to the state
of affairs in which they are living, then you have
a much more easily controllable society than you would if
you were relying poorly on clubs and firing squads and
concentration camps.

Speaker 8 (01:15):
And tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bats
and extorsions, and followed there are weapons that re simply
fight has prejudices.

Speaker 9 (01:24):
As you connect the dots between different people, organizations, religions, history,
suddenly the picture starts to form.

Speaker 10 (01:32):
The Kingdom of God is within men, not one man
or a group of men.

Speaker 11 (01:35):
Someone born in the United States is not more special
than someone born in Mexico.

Speaker 12 (01:40):
Someone who is white is not more special than someone
who is black. They're just vehicles for the consciousness to experience.

Speaker 13 (01:48):
They do not want your children to be educated. They
do not want you to think too much.

Speaker 14 (01:56):
It was learned that the aliens had men and were
then manipulating masters of people through secret society is witchcraft, magic,
the occult, and religion.

Speaker 7 (02:04):
You reach into our children, music, television, books.

Speaker 8 (02:07):
Right, no children's existence?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
How can I just still lies that are stamped with
an efficiency.

Speaker 10 (02:11):
So if you have the opportunity to stand next to
one of these machines, it feels like an altar to
an alien god.

Speaker 13 (02:18):
Genetic powers most awesome forced the planet's ever seen, but
you wielded like a kid that's found his dad's a gun.

Speaker 7 (02:23):
Beyond the airport has an ounce, but applying this there
is now in the provection of the army.

Speaker 13 (02:27):
Too many others know what's happening out there, and no one,
no government agency has jurisdiction over the truth.

Speaker 15 (02:33):
Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize
the worth, the dignity the rights of man, that state
is absolute, a case to be found under m from
mankind in the Twilight Center.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
A lot time, some of.

Speaker 16 (02:47):
You got acquainted with the real hard truth.

Speaker 12 (02:51):
It's the how that says I will not acquiesce.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Freedom is the primage to do right.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Freedom from the disass on the state.

Speaker 11 (03:00):
You don't connect the dots, just a mass of.

Speaker 16 (03:03):
What's all this about?

Speaker 11 (03:08):
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So what I've prepared for you tonight, I hope you

(04:59):
will will appreciate. I hope it will be enlightening, informative, educational,
and most importantly, thought provoking. I think tonight's episode is
one of the central core pillars of what the Secret
Teachings is all about, trying to find angles or perceptions

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or ideas that are outside of the required pathway or
outside of the guidelines of what is considered acceptable thought,
what is considered acceptable thought within both mainstream dichotomy and
alternative dichotomies, of which there are many. And so I

(05:45):
want to begin tonight by pointing out a show that
I did back in early August of this month on
the seventh, called Reverse Engineering UFO Disclosure, and on that
show I talked about how UFO UAP disclosure is not
a slow drip process. However, there is a slow drip

(06:08):
disinformation misinformation process that I think has restarted from its
original inception and implementation back in the nineteen fifties. It's
well documented, perhaps the forties as well, but at least

(06:28):
the nineteen fifties, through both military and intelligence channels. Recently
we learned although some of us already knew this, so
we didn't learn anything really, We just had what we
Knew confirmed again that the Pentagon was indeed responsible, that

(06:50):
the military was indeed responsible for fabricating ufone narratives going
back decades. And while some people took that as proof
and evidence that UFO's the UAPs are strictly a military
intelligence human thing, others took it as evidence that they've

(07:10):
been lying to us about UFO's UAPs. Of course, I
think it's important to ask the question that how how
would the Pentagon come to such a conclusion anyway? Were
they inspired by science fiction? And even so, where did
the science fiction idea of aliens from? Somewhere? Else Where
did that come from? Didn't just come from Hollywood movies?

(07:34):
How old is that idea? Is it biblical? That in
and of itself is something interesting to explore. In twenty seventeen,
we also know that this was the year, around the
fall into Christmas time, that Omoa Moa, the first official
interstellar object, was tracked in our solar system. This is

(07:56):
what we were told, and it was around this time
that we also learned of the A Tip report. In fact,
the A Tip Report AIITIP was reported on by the
New York Times just a few weeks after Omoa Moa
was discovered and talked about as being potentially an alien

(08:20):
or some other worldly artifact object of Bracewell probe, something
to that effect, and people like Avi Lobe at Harvard
became very very well known as a result of that,
and he's been on a number of radio shows and podcasts.
He's really good friends with my good friend Clyde Lewis, which,

(08:41):
of course a lot of you listen to Clyde as well.
You might even be hearing this show on Ground zero
plus if you are welcome Ground zero plus members, And
so in digging and trying to look through the history
of all of this stuff, looking at a tip, looking

(09:02):
at Omoa moa, looking at the narratives around the whistleblowers.
We talked on that recent show about David Grush, Ross
Coulthart and others who seem to fulfill a role that
is not the whistleblower role, and it's not the role
of a journalist exposing the truth like these people have

(09:26):
been painted as. David Grush has done nothing but tell
recycled stories and promoted what I call thrift store science
fiction or thrift store UFOs. People like Ross Coulthart have
literally used talking points from the nineteen fifties to confirm
that the unidentified tic TAC object was, in his words,
quote Lockheed Martin technology. He also said that the Hillary

(09:49):
Clinton email debacle was part of a plan to prevent
her from becoming president because she was going to disclose
the truth about aliens, which is interesting because now we
have the new presidential administration, like all the others, including Obama,
including Clinton, being painted by the UFO community as a
disclosure presidency. And that's not part of tonight's show, but

(10:14):
it's an interesting little side note because on that August
seventh show that I did, I talked about how jd
Vance and Tulsa Gabbard were suddenly talking about UFOs a
few weeks ago. Of course, that has left the news
feeds for the most part. Even Robert Malone confirmed that
RFK Junior got briefings on the subject recently. And on

(10:38):
that show we talked about we reintroduced the story about
Michael Kratzio's science advisor to the White House making a
statement about technology that can manipulate time and space, and
we also talked about on that show Avvi Loeb and

(10:58):
his background in the IDA, which is normal for members
of the country of Israel. For citizens, they have to
spend time in the IDF, in the military, or they
go to jail. So I wasn't suggesting that Avi Loeb
was some kind of agent, but that Israel also has

(11:20):
a former security chief who says that there's a galactic Federation.
It turns out he got that information reportedly from Loura Eisenhower,
who we know is completely out of her mind. I mean,
I can confirm that first hand over and over and
over again, no secondhand stories. I've seen that firsthand of
experienced that firsthand. She is out of her mind, crazy,

(11:42):
completely psychotic, a lot of personal problems, a lot of
alcohol issues. She's a crazy and that's who. And I
don't mean that because of the kinds of UFO or
New Age stuff that she talks about. I'm interested in
that stuff too. She's crazy because she's certifiable. And that's
reportedly where the israel spased security chief had gotten information
about the galactic Federation. It wasn't real, it was fake,

(12:04):
et cetera. So the reason I brought Ovul lob Up
on that show is because his report on the three
I Atlas object, which is the third interstellar object outside
of a moa MOA and Borsov the third interstellar object.
His report, along with a team of other scientists researchers

(12:24):
found that this object three I Atlas is very likely
a comet. That's what the conclusion of the report is.
It says that it's very likely a comet. That's the
most likely explanation by far, that's the most likely explanation.
That's what it actually says in the paper. But the

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paper also says, you know, it's an exercise in thought.
It's an exercise to challenge assumptions, which is all fine
and well, so that we can consider the possibility that
may be there's life elsewhere in the universe and maybe
it's visiting us. Maybe these are probes, and I think

(13:06):
that's great. I like thinking outside the box.

Speaker 16 (13:10):
But people have.

Speaker 11 (13:11):
Taken that story and turned it into alien spaceships are
coming and they're going to attack the Earth. Others have suggested.
These are both mainline and alternative news publications, podcasts, radio shows.
They've taken the story and they've said that it's completely

(13:34):
science fiction. Despite the fact that the conclusion of the
article is that it's very likely a comet, it actually
says that for anybody who has not read that study
by Avi Lob and his team, it was published in
July of this year. It's called is the Interstellar Object
through I Atlas Alien Technology? It's not even a very

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long read. So how anybody could look at that and
come to the conclusion that it was anything other than
what Lobe and its team came to the conclusion about
is beyond me. But the whole point of the exercise
was to think, to consider the possibility that this might
be something alien, and even in the context that it
is alien, that it's extraterrestrial or something to that effect.

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We're also not talking about a specific kind of like
science fiction alien. It's it's something from somewhere else. If
it's anything, it's probably not a spaceship carrying aliens. It's
probably a probe. It's probably our modern conception of high
technology would be AI. It's robotic, it's mechanical, it's not organic.

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Maybe it is, but that's the most likely explanation in
the most unlikely scenario. And that's what I get out
of this report from actually reading it instead of just
look at memes or pictures or things on social media
and making outrageous claims that are not backed up by

(15:07):
the very document you're referencing, which is never or rarely
ever included in the podcast, or the things that I've
seen online. Harvard researcher says alien ship is coming. They
don't even link the article up because when you look
at the article, it completely destroys that idea. Bobby Love
did not say an alien spaceship is coming, But it
is possible that that's what it could be, or it's

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very likely that in the most unlikely scenario that it
is an alien spaceship, it's probably a probe and nothing more.
It's probably pretty similar to Omoa, Moa and Borsov. And
plus you have to consider the possibility that when we
say Oma, Moa, Boresov, and Atlas, these are the three
interstellar objects that have come into our solar system. How long?

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And I don't have a hill to die on here.
I don't really care for sake of this particular subject,
how old the Earth is or how old the Solar
System is. I don't care if it's four billion or
four million years old. But I'm pretty sure it's been
here a couple of generations of humans. So we've only

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had technology to look up into the heavens far far
away for like maybe a few hundred years, and in
terms of modern telescope technology, it's been less than a
blink of an eye. And so when we say this

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is the first time this has ever happened, there should
be an asterisk next to that statement. There's a caveat
that should be part of that statement that yes, it's
the first time we've seen something like this, but it's
very very unlikely that it's the first time something like
this has happened. This is the same thing that we

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do with temperature readings. I don't know if anybody saw
that there was supposedly this record temperature that was taken
at Palm Springs Airport. And if you've ever been to
Palm Springs, my god, is it hot in Palm Springs.
And that's coming from someone who's from Florida. Palm Springs
is hot. And I don't know if you saw this story,

(17:16):
but according to ABC News, the tarmac at Palm Springs
Airport reached one hundred and sixty three degrees so hot. Yeah,
because it's one of the hottest cities in the world.
It's by far one of the top hottest cities in
the United States at the very least, and you put
the thermometer on the tarmac next to commercial airliners, so

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you're going to get a very high temperature. Have those
temperatures ever been recorded before? Yeah, at airports? What about
in the past, have high temperatures been recorded? We can
assume based on ice core sam and based on estimates
and computer models. But that's really what all of this is.

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In fact, that's really what Omoa, MOA and Borisov and Atlas,
that's what they are. It's largely computer modeling. How many
of the images and the pictures videos that you've seen,
how many of them are like up close shots of
the object, as if there's some camera out in the
Solar System somewhere taking a photograph and kind of following

(18:26):
it like paparazzi as it moves closer to planet Earth.
It's all computer generated. It's computer images and computer programming
that allows them to track these things. There are some
supposed reported images. I don't know which is which because
there's so much disinformation. That's the point. Some images that

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show from say one of the major telescopes that we have,
say James Webb or a Hubble type telescope, that the
object is moving, and it's a little different than most
quote comets because it appears to be illuminated in the
front and it doesn't appear to have the traditional comet tail,

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although that comet tail typically forms once it gets closer
to the Sun. So again you'd have to have a
background in astrophysics and commets to know whether or not
it's normal for an object that far out to not
have a tail. It's pretty far away. How often does

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a comet come through the Solar System and we don't
see it and it doesn't have a tail until it
gets much closer to a heat source, So you have
to consider that. You have to consider that this is
probably not the first time this has happened, it's just
the first time we've seen it happen. I mean, there
have been theories about wandering planets and planets moving from
one place to another, and we thought that was all

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pure science fiction, and then sign tists reportedly discovered that
some planets move about and don't actually have, from their
understanding or their interpretation, a particular orbit around a star,
and they call them rogue planets. There are things about
black holes that we're just learning, or at least we're

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thinking that we're learning. So so much of this is
already based on assumptions and computer modeling and stuff like that.
And then when you get the Harvard report from Lobinis team,
it's an exercise in thought and it says at the end,
this is most likely a comet referring to three I Atlas,

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and that's in the most unlikely scenario, it would most
likely be a probe and not a spaceship carrying aliens. Now,
all of this is a logical and rational way to
approach the subject. I do not, by any means have

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all the answers or all of the context, but from
what I do have, I believe this is a logical
and rational way to approach this subject. But it gets
even more interesting because you might have heard a show
I did recently. You also might think this is irrelevant
to the Secret Teachings episode tonight. But I did a

(21:29):
show recently when Ozzy Osborne died, and I talked about
how and we had our friend on Andrew Cox from
Tucson Occult Books The Nexus, a cult bookstore in Tucson,
and he told some of his stories of working with
Ozzy and it's a pretty fun show. Well, on that show,

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I said to Andrew, I said, you know, if you
really want to find Satan in music, Satan's not in
rock and roll. I mean, there are bands that certainly
play on those themes, but that's not where satan is.
That's not where the devil is. I said, if you
really want to find the devil, you look at pop music.

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And I think I said the same thing to Clyde.
I was talking to Clyde on the show the day
after that Ozzie show because he had called me to
tell me about his Ozzie show that he had done,
and I told him the same thing. I said, Yeah,
it's weird because Ozzie was Christian, he belonged to the church,
he prayed before every every concert. And Clyde said, I know,
it's just so ridiculous. And I said to him, I said, besides,

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you know, if you really want to find the devil,
the devil's not in Black Sabbath. The devil's in like
Billie Eilish, it's in pop music. And Clyde said, I know,
I try to tell people that. Well, I think it's
a very similar thing, similar ideas, similar concept when we're
looking at UFOs and aliens and stuff like this, because
we're probably looking in the wrong place. That's the idea

(22:56):
that I'm playing around with here. We're looking in the
wrong place for al and for gods and things like that.
We're not really looking for or with, I should say,
an objective perception. Our perception is molded and crafted by

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many factors, including what we personally want to believe. Some
of that's based on how we grew up, religion, culture,
It's based on our love of science fiction. Perhaps, so
it's based on a lot of different things that one
of them is what we want to believe, another one
is what we choose to believe. Another one is those

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various elements that comprise what we want and what we
choose to believe, which are things like culture, religion, how
we were raised. It's a little bit different and perhaps
unique for every individual human because everybody's family's a little different,
and so you might have parents who are really into
this stuff, and you might have parents that forbid this stuff.

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And the point of what I'm getting at here is
more often than not, when we societally, culturally collectively look
or you could say, as a community look at something
of this nature like a three I atlas. You know

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there's money to be made off of that, obviously, and
there's clout to be gained off of that, obviously, and
there's a place for people like Avi Lob Abraham Lobe
at Harvard that I think is a necessity to bring

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some balance to the subjects, where his team says it's
probably a comment, but what if we consider the possibility
that it's not. And that's an intriguing conversation, an intriguing idea,
but it gets lost in the mix of cash and clout.
I think everybody knows this, and despite what that paper,

(25:08):
as I've referenced, says that it's likely a completely natural
intertellar object, this has not stop speculation from spiraling out
of control, so that what was a thought experiment has
now evolved into a warning about a coming extraterrestrial invasion.
Now it doesn't really matter what I think, or what
Avi Lobe thinks, or what our good friend Clyde Lewis thinks,

(25:30):
or what any of you think. None of our opinions
are really relevant in regard to three I atlas. I
think what's relevant, what matters is how collectively the public
will perceive this because, like with everything else, it doesn't
matter if it's an executive order. You try to explain

(25:52):
to people that's not a law, they can enforce it.
It doesn't matter if we're talking about free speech in
the First Amendment. It doesn't matter how concrete, black and
white documented. Our argument is there is a public reaction

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that is equivalent to panic and frenzy that occurs around
every subject, political or supernatural. It really doesn't matter. And
so what we find here is kind of a theme,
and I think we see it still forming of kind
of like COVID, this invisible thing that we can't see.

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Can you see this object? Have you seen this object?
You've seen maybe a grainy maybe a photo or half
a second of video of something moving with this grainy background,
but have you actually seen it? And if you've seen it,
what exactly is it that you're seeing? How do you

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know what that is? It's mysterious, it's invisible. And I
don't know if you remember this, but there was a
story that I think should probably be preserved in the
UFO file more so than the COVID file, and as

(27:19):
a story about how COVID nineteen again not the point
of tonight's show, but how COVID nineteen could be an
example of an alien invasion. Some of you might recall this.
This is published in Time magazine back in March of
twenty twenty. It says coronavirus could preview what will happen

(27:39):
when alien life reaches Earth. And this article plays around
with the same type of idea, the way that we
respond to this invisible virus and the way that we're
responding to this for the most part, in the interstellar object.

(28:02):
It's kind of like, instead of calling it three I Atlas,
we could call it three I Schrodinger, because we don't
really know what it is. Is it alive, is it organic,
is it synthetic? Is it natural? Is it unnatural? We

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really don't know. We really don't have have any idea.
I read an article from Futurism, I read an article
from Microsoft News, I read an article from all these
bunch of science websites, and they were all saying last
week that scientists have found something really weird with this

(28:43):
new interstellar object. And it's basically just referencing the Harvard report.
It says, at the heart of the conundrum is the
purported comet's tail. The glowing globs of icy particulates conventionally
leave a trail of gas and dust in a common
it's wake, resulting in their distinctive shape. However, there's a

(29:04):
slim chance that three a atlas may be an outlier,
and they go into quote the paper, and in this
particular article, along with many other articles I've read, there
are references to the object's size, meaning that the object,
stating that the object is a strange size, it's a

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very rare size, a once in a ten thousand year
encounter with an object that's so large, over twelve miles
in diameter, and that the object not only doesn't seem
to have a tail, but there are reports that it
seems to have almost like a glow or a light

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around it or in front of it, which is also
reported to be somewhat abnormal, but again that's also based
on our assumptions of what is normal. If you've never
seen something, everything that you see from that point onward
that you begin to identifying catalog becomes the standard model.
So it's weird to even say we've never seen this before,

(30:09):
when like, yeah, you haven't seen it before. So if
there is a glow and no tail. Then that is
probably normal unless you're comparing it to comments of what
we do know, and then by that basis it would
be weird. So I'm just trying to be objective about
this and trying to break this all down into little
tiny fragments and put it back together again. We're dealing
with something that's mysterious, something that's invisible, and we are

(30:30):
dealing with something that is I think within league. I
think it's within the league of what I also think
is quoted over and over again too often and probably
taken very much out of context more often than not.

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And that is the work of Carol Rosen and what
she had said about Erno von Braun and the the
space based weapons. We know we have space force now,
but the space based weapons platforms asteroids. Terrorism was one
of the first things. And she says that von Broun

(31:12):
had told her this. I'm going to read you the
statement from Carol Rosen. The enemy. At first, he said,
the enemy against whom we're going to have to build
space based weapons would be terrorists. And then we were
going to identify third world crazies. We now call them

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nations of concern, and we have to build space based
weapons against asteroids. The Russians are going to be the
next enemy, then asteroids, and the funniest one of all
was against what he called aliens extraterrestrials. That would be
the final card. And over and over and over again
during the four years that I knew him and was
giving his speeches for him, he would bring up the

(31:54):
last card. And remember, Carol, the last card is the
alien card. We're going to have to build space baped
weapons against aliens. And all of it, he said, is
a lie. Now, the misquote is that von Braun or
Carol Rosen said anything about aliens attacking Earth. You could
perhaps get an implication of that, but that's not what

(32:17):
she said. She said, build space based weapons against aliens.
But it's a lie. And we also might find that
there's some relationship between Omoa Moa, Borsov and Atlas and
the asteroid story of why we need to build space
based weapons. The idea that grows out of this is
that there will be a threat, an alien threat, not

(32:40):
an actual alien invasion or even actual aliens threatening us
in any way, just the threat of that, which is
something that we find in all the Congression reports. We
find this out of the Pentagon, We find this out
of the A TIP program, that yeah, there are things
that we can't identify, we don't know what they are.

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And beyond the Pentagon disinformation campaigns, and beyond the Robertson panel,
which is apparently still an effect based on Ross Coulthart
said about how oh yeah, Tictec was Lockheed Martin Technology.
What we get out of this is that yet clearly
there's a threat, and whatever that threat is, it's Schrodinger,

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we don't know, Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Whatever
the threat is, it could be COVID, and how we
respond to it, it could be a moa aboresoft an
Atlas and how we respond to it. There doesn't have
to be anything out there at all. There doesn't have
to be anything making you sick. Your lack of vitamin D,

(33:43):
your lack of water and sleep and nutrients and vegetables
and fruits and grains and nuts and seeds and all
the things that you need to actually be healthy in balance,
that is irrelevant to this invisible virus that makes us
sick with a not so distinct set of symptoms. And
we're not rational about that, and we're not rational about

(34:05):
some invisible thing that's way far away. It's not somewhere
you can go on Earth. You can't travel there. It's
way far away in the vacuum of space, and you
can't see it, you can't interact with it. But it's coming.
And so that is kind of the idea along with
all the recent congressional investigations in the US, that is

(34:26):
the idea of the alien threat, I think, more so
than they're actually being aliens or disclosure, it's just the
idea of a threat which would allow us to reshape society.
You don't actually even have to see the spaceship or
the probe. There doesn't have to be a spaceship or

(34:46):
a probe. You can just be kind of led to
believe that there is, which is essentially what has happened
with this three I atlas built on Borisov and built
on Omoa Moa. But it gets stranger because Congresswoman Anna
Paulina Luna recently told Joe Rogan this month August twenty

(35:08):
twenty five, that she's seen evidence of interdimensional beans. She
hasn't seen them herself. She hasn't seen them like in
photographs with memors of government or something military officials, but
she's seen evidence that there are interdimensional beings. Now, this
is what she said on Joe Rogan. I'm going to
play it for you here in a moment. That's what
she said on Joe Rogan. Choose to believe it or not.

(35:32):
I choose to remain incredibly not skeptical. I choose remain
incredibly objective about these things because I've heard these types
of statements by elected officials, by self appointed officials, you know, documentaries,
author have heard this, you know, my whole adult life.

(35:52):
So I take it with very frankly, very little seriousness,
whether whether it's real or not real. I just I listen,
I catalog that I documented, and we go from there.
But Anna Pauline a Luna recently told Joe Rogan that
she's seen evidence of these interdimensional beings and that there
are reports of their movements outside of time and outside

(36:17):
of space. Now that's really interesting for a number of
different reasons, a variety of different separate reasons. And I'm
going to play this clip for you and then we're
going to talk about the reasons. Those reasons include the
White House Science Advisor Michael Krattios, Michael Cratzio says just

(36:40):
a few months ago, back in April twenty twenty five,
that the US has technology that can manipulate space and time.
And then, of course there's the famous, maybe infamous Memorandum
sixty seven fifty one, which is dated back to July eighth,
nineteen forty seven, and it states that there are discs,

(37:01):
They carry crews, some are under remote control. They come
from another planet, but it's not a planet like we know.
It's an etheric planet which interpenetrates with her own and
is not perceptible to us. Whatever this place is where
these things come from. They are called locusts or tulos,

(37:23):
which are Sanskrit words that mean higher dimensional existence and
lower dimensional existence. In theological terms, we would call it
heaven and hell. High vibration, low vibration. Say what you
want about sixty seven to fifty one the memorandum, But
that and what the White House Science Advisor Michael Kratzio said,

(37:48):
plays into what Annapauline A. Lunagis said, or whether what
she says plays into that memorandum and plays into what
the White House Science Advisor set. So I'm going to
play this for you. It's about four minutes long, so
pay attention, and then we will comment on this video,

(38:10):
and we will go further into more of the occult
nature and even some of the eschatological nature of a
moa moa boresof and this new object three I Atlas,
and I'll give you a little hint of where we're
going with this. What we might be dealing with here

(38:32):
is the fulfillment of a prophecy, although I maintain that
this prophecy is it's an artificial fulfillment of prophecy in
the sense that prophecy is not so much a prediction.
It's not so much this is going to happen to
prove the divinity of those who make the statement, but
that it's a metaphor, and that we can use metaphor

(38:53):
to convince people of something literal in order to obtain
gain power, wealth, et cetera. On Earth, on this plane
of existence. This is representative Anna, Pauline and Luna talking
to Joe Rogan. Notice her name Luna, A woman named Luna,
that's Latin for the moon where we just heard that

(39:16):
there's going to be a nuclear reactor built. Possibly a
woman named Luna is spilling the interdimensional beans beans. It's
a joke, interdimensional beans. She's spilling interdimensional beans on Joe Rogan,
and it appears that she knows more than Tulsa Gabbard,

(39:36):
the Director of National Intelligence, who seemed to laugh about
the subject while saying that there is something out there,
but seemed to laugh about that subject in a recent
interview I played you. So here's Luna saying on Joe
Rogan that she's seen evidence of these things.

Speaker 17 (39:51):
I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy,
but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen, Okay,
there is definitely something that but I think would rival
what we know currently with physics and a tech that
potentially is out there that we don't have the ability
to reproduce because it would basically be like dropping a
cell phone right off back during the time of maybe

(40:14):
the cavemands.

Speaker 18 (40:14):
So like we just don't have the tech to develop
it yet.

Speaker 17 (40:17):
What I can also tell you is based on our interviews,
and this has been something that you can go back
and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually
able to ask some.

Speaker 18 (40:25):
Of the witnesses, you know, what are these things?

Speaker 17 (40:27):
And they keep saying interdimensional and then when you talk
about the interdimensional aspect of you know, are these things
pre existing maybe outside of what we currently know as
our own dimension. That stuff can kind of all sound crazy,
But at the end of the day, you know, my
job as an investigator is to receive all the information,

(40:47):
decipher it, and then ultimately from a congressional aspect, if
you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating
outside of the purview of the federal government, I mean,
there's budgetary issues, but there's definitely something that I can
tell you with confidence that it exists that we don't
know how to explain currently.

Speaker 19 (41:02):
So when you say that it operates outside our understanding
of physics, what specifically are you saying?

Speaker 17 (41:09):
Like what happened to I guess break it down in
simple terms is that I think that some of the
tech that exists that whatever these things have, these energy
things have, yeah, well they call them interdimensional beings. I
think that they can actually operate through the time spaces
that we currently have. And that's not something that I

(41:33):
came up with on my own. That's based on stuff
that we've seen, that's based on information that we've been told.

Speaker 18 (41:39):
And then also too, I think that there's this historical.

Speaker 17 (41:42):
Aspect of you know, this gets into the deeper theories
and concepts of religion, and I think the history that
we currently know, and that kind of spins off into
another topic of you know, you have the modern day Bible,
you have this aspect of Bibles or books of the
Bible that have been move that explain and kind of
touch on these topics. And I think that we're in

(42:04):
a time and age where you have such a vast
amount of information that we have access to via social media,
view your cell phone, via the Internet, and so it's
really changing the way that we understand, you know, the
origins of life and the spiritual reality.

Speaker 20 (42:20):
That we know.

Speaker 19 (42:21):
When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these
are interdimensional beings? How do they know that that?

Speaker 17 (42:29):
So based on testimony would be based on witnesses that
have come forward, But what I can tell you is.

Speaker 18 (42:38):
That they that they've seen things.

Speaker 17 (42:40):
And what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations,
is that there have been incidences that I believe where
very credible people have reported that there have been movement
outside of time space that's very vague. So look, yeah, look,

(43:03):
have I seen a portal, But no, have I seen
a spaceship personally?

Speaker 18 (43:08):
No, I seen evidence of this. Yes?

Speaker 17 (43:11):
Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe
were not made by mankind?

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (43:19):
Is there historical significance to this yes? Is there multiple
events that go back to I would argue maybe even
before the time of Christ that have documented this in texts?

Speaker 18 (43:31):
Yes.

Speaker 17 (43:32):
So do I believe that the government has access to
certain technology, Yes, to an extent. And I believe that
certain contractors potentially have back engineered this tech. I think
that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing.
But I also believe that this is a dangerous level
of hidden information from the American people, because if you

(43:52):
have an aspect of the federal government, which I can
tell you, I with two other members of Congress were
denied access to information at Egglin Air pertaining to whistleblowers
because of the fact and we can get into that
story of what happened to Egglin in a second, but
we were denied access and told that we don't have
security clearance or the read and authority.

Speaker 18 (44:10):
On a special access program.

Speaker 17 (44:12):
That's a problem because I'm supposed to represent and be
an investigative body, and you have then people who are
unelected that are operating basically in secrecy.

Speaker 11 (44:21):
And so this is what Anna Paulina Luna like the
Moon has said on Joe Rogan just recently, within the
last two weeks, and what she said is quite a
bit of baggage to unpack. She actually sounds way more

(44:43):
educated on the subject than Tulsa Gabber does, which I
find to be interesting to say the least. But she
also seemed to repeat This doesn't mean that it's wrong,
but she did seem to repeat many of the UFO
UAP mythological talking points. And I know that she did

(45:05):
that because I grew up with those mythological talking points
a lot of us did. In fact, for many of us,
they were kind of like religious talking points. These are
things you heard on the Discovery Channel, the History Channel,
and so on. One example of that would be how
she said that it would be like taking a cell

(45:25):
phone and giving it to cavemen. They wouldn't know what
to do with it. That some of this technology is
stuff that we cannot reproduce. But then she also says
that she believes that some of this has been re
redesigned or re engineered or reverse or back engineered. And

(45:46):
I guess it would depend on what kind of technology
we're talking about. But if you don't know what the
technology is, then how exactly can you reverse engineered? Maybe
that's the whole point of reverse engineering. But if you
can't replicate it, then what I guess some things were
not to replicate. In some things we are or we
can't fully replicate it. But in trying to replicate it
and break it down and reverse engineer, we're coming up

(46:07):
with new technologies like night vision, let's say, for example.
So I've always found that to be a tricky argument
within the UFO mythology. But things like well, it's like
giving a cell phone to caveman. That's that's the analogy
that's given, has been given for all since cell phones

(46:28):
came out, or giving it like giving a computer to caveman.
They wouldn't know what to do with it. She also
says that the stuff that exists, whatever it is, we
don't know how to explain it, and yet we know
that it operates outside of space and time. And the
response by Joe Rogan is I think as a very

(46:52):
very basic but a very important, you know, little comment
that it's very vague. It's very very vague. But to
go further than what Joe said, it plays on our
science fiction. It plays on our I mean, what have
we seen the last ten years? What theme in science
fiction and comic book Well, not in comic books, but

(47:14):
in comic book movies have we seen explored so much
that it's it's just it's overkilled. Now, Well, we've seen
the multiple universe motif. We've seen movies, TV shows exploring
this to the point where people are kind of nauseous

(47:35):
about it. They're just like, I don't want to see
any more of this multiple universe stuff. It's just it's tiring,
it's annoying. So the question is, is that part of
what people might call disclosure or mis or disinformation, is
that part of the process by which the public is
acclimated to such ideas, or is it just coincidence or

(47:58):
perhaps something else. She says, based on what we have
been told, based on what we've been told, and the
theories and concepts of religion, the modern Bible and things
went back to the time of Christ. All of that
comments she made at different points in this four and
a half minute clip is also part of the UFO mythology,

(48:22):
not just because there's a relationship, very clear and identifiable
relationship between the UFO, the Palladians, and the Reptilians, like
the angels and the demons, the planes of existence between
dimensions maybe being like purgatory, a heaven and a hell,

(48:43):
a utopia that the aliens help us to build, or
a hell that we thrust ourselves into. The sacred sites
of Rachel Nevada, which is still a fun place to
go to. I'm just saying it's a sacred site. Roswell's
a fun place to go to, but it's a sacred
site where people go on pilgrimage. Beyond those religious theological connections,

(49:05):
what she's saying starts to sound a lot like ancient
alien theory. And that doesn't mean Ansian alien theory is wrong.
But we do know that a lot of ancient alien
theory is likely wrong because a lot of ancient alien
theory is based and we're not required here, we don't

(49:26):
necessarily need to go into offending or defending it because
it's not a belief system that I have adopted, nor
is it one that I really criticize at all. I
have in the past I've also backed up certain elements
of it in the past. I'm just simply saying that
what she is saying is also kind of confirmatory of

(49:49):
the ancient alien concept. And that's interesting for more than
one reason. It's interesting because the ancient alien concept and
the idea that aliens were instrumental in our creation as
a species and in our creation as a civilization. But

(50:10):
these are ideas that do not come from If I
were to ask you, where does the ancient aliens come from,
a lot of people might say all the Earth Chronicles,
Zacharai is sitch An, Eric von Danikin. You know, these
are kind of the religious prophets, if you will, of
the UFO theology. They're kind of like the saints, and
you're not really allowed to question them or their books.

(50:36):
They are not the first ones to introduce the idea
of ancient aliens or paleo astronautics. The first person to
really do this was a guy named Mattest m Agrest,
And if you don't believe me, you can look it up.
Mattest m Agrest introduced the idea of paleo astronautics sometime

(50:58):
in the nineteen fifties, nineteen sixty And he was a
really interesting individual because his background was theological, his background
was very religious. He grew up in a household that
or I should say, a family of Torah scholars. So

(51:23):
the guy that introduced the concept of ancient aliens that
many Christians would feel as a very offensive and almost
sacrilegious concept was a scholar, or was born into a
family of scholars. He was more of a mathematician, but
he was born into a family of Torah scholars, not

(51:43):
Talmutic scholars, but Torah scholars, and so he would have
had and he does. He did rather because he died
twenty something years ago. But he did have a strong
reverence for his Horra based Judaism, So he was a
practicing I guess you could call him Torra Jew. And

(52:10):
he introduces this concept of ancient aliens, which from a
let's say a Christian perspective, might be seen in the
old ways that Christians used to view Torah or Talmudic
Jews might be seen as a way to demean the
christ image. This is not me speaking because I'm not

(52:33):
a Christian. I'm just saying that someone who is devoutly
Jewish and devoutly a follower of the Torah and was
born into a family of Torah scholars. And we're speaking
of may test m Agrest his middle names like Mendelovich.
I think, I think that's what the M stands for.
But mattist Agrist introduces a concept that essentially he takes

(53:01):
the Jesus story and twists it so that Jesus wasn't
a divine savior of mankind like a literal son of God,
which I agree with anyway. So I'm not on the
Christian side here, nor am I on the Jewish side here.
I'm just saying from a historical, theological, symbolic, occult point
of view, I get the idea. I think christ consciousness

(53:24):
is a consciousness. I don't think that it has anything
to do with the Son of God, but that's but
it also does. It's just not literal. But that's neither
here nor there. The point is this devout Torah, probably
a very traditional devout Jew, he introduced this idea. And

(53:45):
so to me that's fascinating because today one of the
leaders in suggesting that Moa, Moa, Borisov and Atlas are
perhaps alien probes, are people like Abraham loweb and there's
always been kind of a connection within Judaism and the stars.

(54:10):
I mean, look at Dave Chappelle's famous space juwe joke.
And just like with coronavirus, and just like with climate
change or temperatures at airports. I mentioned earlier, it's not
the point of tonight's show. This is not a theological
show per se, but it's important to point these little
details out because when you have a representative of Congress

(54:33):
or a representative of the people, a member of Congress
going on Joe Rogan and saying, look, this technology, we
can't reproduce it. It's like giving a cell phone to cavemen.
But also we do re engineer it or we reverse
engineer it. And there's things that exist but we don't
exactly know how to explain them. But we also know
that they exist outside of time and space because these
things have been seen. Although I don't know how you

(54:56):
it's very vague. Joe's right, it's very vague. How do
you quantify that? But I think the most interesting thing
that this woman said, and her name is also Luna,
like the moon, which is going to be doubly significant
here in a moment, maybe triply significant. In a moment,
she says that a lot of this is, you know,

(55:18):
it revolves around the concepts and religion, the modern Bible,
stuff removed from the Bible, and things going back to
the time of Christ, which means that we have a
connection here between what she's saying and what people like
mattest Agrist said back in the fifties and sixties, and
that is that a lot of the things that we

(55:39):
consider to be archaeological anomalies and historical mysteries can be
explained by the presence of an ancient alien body. And
that would also mean that Jesus is not the Savior,
the Messiah, and that the Jewish man is still on

(56:02):
his way. He'll be here at some point. However, the
thing is, in Judaism, there are different sects of Judaism,
and there are certain sects of Judaism that completely refute
the idea that the Messiah is going to be a
divine being, or that the Messiah is going to be
a human or biological being at all, that it's an idea.

(56:29):
In fact, a lot of traditionalist Jews see the Messiah
as being. And I can't speak for every denomination of
Christianity or Judaism. But a lot of traditional Jews, and
by traditional I guess that is also en up in
the air term what does that mean? A lot of
ultra orthodox Jews believe that we're talking about an energy,
we're talking about an age, like Jesus says in the Bible,

(56:51):
he'll be with you until the end of the age.
And people link that with astro theology to the ages
of the Ram and Pisces and the Age of Aquarius.
Jesus's Pisces with the fish. The Jews have the Ram's
Horn of Aries, and then we have Aquarius, the coming
of the Age of Aquarius, and that's where we're heading.

(57:12):
So maybe it's the entering into the Age of Aquarius.
Maybe we're entering a new age. Maybe the age is
the Messianic age. And some Jewish sects believe that there'll
be a biological Messiah, but they won't be divine and
they will not be part of some grandiose eschatological view

(57:40):
of the world. They will instead just promote peace and
actually bring about peace. Of course, you can interpret from
the more Christian point of view that that's the Antichrist.
But again, these are how many denominations and how many
different perceptions within each denomination. That's not the point of
tonight's show. But I'll tell you what's really interesting, and

(58:00):
what's really intriguing is that it's not only that mantest
Agrist is the guy that really created the idea of
ancient aliens, and that people like Anna Pauline A Luna
just essentially told Joe Rogan the same thing, that this
is what we're looking at here. It's beyond space and time.

(58:20):
It's stuff we don't fully understand. It's you know, the
concepts of religion and things in the Bible. But what
always gets me and I understand that not everybody has
a background in various religions, and you grow up a
Christian and that's all you know. You grew up Jewish
or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever. But the thing is
what you see in the modern Bible and in the

(58:44):
Old Bible, and what you see in you know, terms
of interpreting the historical nature of Christ. You find all
of that stuff in texts from around the world that
have nothing to do with Christianity or Judaism, what people
call sort of erroneously Judeo Christianity, if you read the

(59:04):
Bagavad Gita, as I've pointed out before, which is I
think more than just arguably older than the Bible. At
least the original concepts by far, certainly, absolutely without doubt,
are older than the Abrahamic religions. And that's just the Bagavagita. Again,

(59:27):
to clarify the concepts of the Bagavad Gita, if you
read the Bagavagita, it's basically like reading the Bible. In fact,
I kind of interpret it like reading the Bible without
the guardrails on. Like if you read the Bible, the
Bible's like going bowling with guardrails. If you read the
Bagava Guita, there's no guardrails. At least that's how I
interpret it. I interpreted as having no guardrails in the

(59:48):
sense that it's not trying to convince me of a
particular theology. It is encouraging me to step out of
the physical form and recognize the significance the existence first,
the significance and importance and necessity of the spiritual form.

(01:00:09):
The bahgabad Ghita talks about. First of all, it has
stories that are identical to the Bible. I don't know
how many I can't count them off the top of
my head because it's such a big book, but I
know that there are stories very similar, including the Moses
story walking on water, things like this, the infanticide of
the king during the birth of Jesus and all that.

(01:00:33):
The Bagagita also talks about certain dietary restrictions as well,
which is going to be something found in the Bible.
It's more specific about limiting your consumption or not consuming,
you know, the ritually slaughtered animals. But the Baga of
a Gita teaches things that are a keen to the
Tibetan Book of the Dead. They are found over here

(01:00:54):
in the East in the indigenous practice of Shinto, which
is timeless. They're found all over the world. They're found
in the Americas, they're found in Africa. Their universal concepts.
So if we're looking at the idea that there's a
link between the Bible and Christ and whatever, these beans

(01:01:20):
are what we're looking at, on one hand is the
I would argue, outside of the Ancient Aliens television show,
we're looking at the idea of the introduction of Ancient
Aliens into the mainstream by members of Congress like Anna
Paulina Luna. And that doesn't mean that it's wrong. It
just means that it's wow. That's really really I don't

(01:01:45):
know what to think about it. It's interesting. It's a
little bit scary, I think, because it implies to me
that what we're learning from people like this, or what
we're hearing people like this, it's either motive, kind of
like the Israeli space chief who learned about the Galacti

(01:02:08):
Federation from people like lor Eisenhower reportedly, it makes me think, like,
where is Anna Paulina Luna being inspired to say that
she seems to be very invested in it and she's
seen evidence, But even people like Bob Lazar. He was
quoted in Jim Mars's Alien Agenda as saying it's one

(01:02:32):
of the better UFO books you'll ever read, as saying
that he wasn't sure and you might have seen this
outside of Jim's book. I just I like referencing things
that are in black and white that I can touch.
But he was referencing in the book, Jim was mister Mars,
our old friend, Jim. He was referencing the book that
Bob Lazar was of the belief that when he was

(01:02:52):
working at those secret facilities where they've scrubbed his name,
and I don't even I don't really care, frankly, if
he did or didn't work there, but that part of
his original story was he wasn't sure that what he
was seen was real or if he was being messed with,
which now we know the Pentagon admits that they did
those things. When they denied it for so long, now
they admit that they did those things. And I don't

(01:03:13):
believe that because the Pentagon says it. I believe it
because that's just been a theory that makes sense. That's
the reason that I believe it to whatever extent. Is
another argument in another conversation of the discussion entirely, but
Bob Lazarre believed he was possibly being shown things that
were not real to confuse him, and I think that
that's very possible that this is what we're seeing with

(01:03:36):
members of Congress. Frankly, I think Anna Pauline Luna, honestly,
i'd go further than just what I was about to say.
Let me say it like this. I think the woman
is way more invested in this than Tulsa Gabbard is.
And I think this woman is she's a little bit
frustrated that she cannot get access to certain things as
a member of Congress. But the problem is.

Speaker 16 (01:04:01):
Like.

Speaker 11 (01:04:02):
She said, I don't what is this motivated by. Is
she being shown something that plays into the mythology and
she takes it seriously, or does she have her own
biases and those biases get in the way of maybe
genuinely credible things that she has seen. I mean, that's
the thing is that if you and I and all

(01:04:26):
your friends and family and members of Congress all set
down in a room and were shown the same piece
of evidence, we're all going to have a different perception
of it, probably because there are going to be people
that don't want that evidence to be given to the
public because of what it might do to the current

(01:04:47):
power structure. So some people are going to be motivated
by power, by by maintaining power, retaining power, and by
gaining more power. Some people are going to be motivated
by money. Maybe the evidence will cause the US stock
market crash. Some people are gonna be motivated by self interest.
We don't want this to come out because if we

(01:05:07):
can invest in this technology behind the scenes, we can
make a bunch of money. It's another version of money.
Motivating this, you know, not wanting to reveal it. Then
there's gonna be people that don't want it to come
out because it's going to destroy religion, at least that's
the idea. And then there's gonna be people that don't want
it to come out or maybe do want to come
out because it is going to maybe destroy religion. And
so then you're gonna get people like me that look
at it and say, well, you know, I don't really

(01:05:31):
have I'm not an absolutist, as some listeners might assume
I am. I'm not an absolutist, and I don't. I
just think that whatever the truth is, it should be revealed.
And I don't believe in holding things back because it's
going to offend somebody. And that's a very nuanced thing.

(01:05:51):
That is also you know, the discussion on something like that,
you know, what we consider to be the truth as
opposed to little white lies or omitting information. That's a
whole philosophical discussion. But there's going to be people shown
that evidence, like me that I don't. I don't hope
that it destroys religion, but I also don't really care

(01:06:13):
if it if it did, Like I to me, I don't.
I don't care if there's evidence of something. I just
want to see the evidence. I don't want to be
told what it means. I don't want someone to imply
to me what it means. I just want to see
the evidence. That's it. And there isn't a lot of
that happening in Congress or anywhere else. There's a lot

(01:06:36):
of speculation, there's a lot of implication. There's a lot
of people with intelligence connections who have a long history
of lying, and there's a lot of people that might
want to get to the bottom of things, but they
don't have the clearance to do so, and so they
rely on the things that are force fed them by
people that won't let them see the information. And what

(01:06:56):
they're given are things that make them think, I suppose
it depends on their background, but make them think that, oh,
this is connected to the Bible, this is connected to
christ Now what are the chances of that in a
country that is predominantly Christian. Although this country was not
founded on Christianity, it was founded by agnostics who believe
that everybody should be able to practice their religion. Doesn't

(01:07:18):
matter who you are, what you are, you be able
to practice your religion. Now you've got members of Congress
saying that you know, Islam should be banned in the
United States. I mean, that's a total violation of the
First Amendment. That person should be removed from Congress and investigated,
because I mean, you're talking about shredding the First Amendment. No,
and so anyway, the point is because that I could

(01:07:41):
talk about that for five hours straight from a constitutional
point of view. My point is there are other countries
that also investigate this. They're the Chinese investigated, the Russians investigated,
the Japanese investigated, a lot of other countries investigate. Get this,
and when you hear about these stories, they tend to change.

(01:08:05):
Like if you, for example, I'll give you a good example,
if you watched there's a Netflix TV show. I think
it was one of the first episode. I think it
was one of the first episodes of it. But there's
a Netflix TV show called Encounters. It's a documentary mini
series called Encounters, and there's an episode called Lights over Fukushima.

(01:08:27):
I think it's episode three, and it's a really interesting
episode because in this episode you learn about UFO sidings
over the Fukushima Daichi Power Plant, and just so there's
no confusion. I learned this when I was over here
in Japan, so just to teach you something that I

(01:08:47):
had to learn myself. Fukushima is a prefecture. Fukushima is
also a city, and the power plant is like a
two hour I think it's about a two hour drive
two hour drive east of the city. So I went
to the city and people were like, oh my god,
don't go to Fukushima. It's radioactive. It was like, I'm
in the city, like two hours west of that area
that that was abandoned. That's not worth So I didn't know.

(01:09:09):
I didn't know that until I came over here. Since
we're talking about different things, Okay, anyway, the point is
after that disaster, there were unidentified objects that were flying
around and above the plant. As a matter of fact,
with the damage done from the tsunami. There are also
accounts outside of this documentary that I'm referencing from Netflix,

(01:09:30):
which is it's pretty good. Actually, if you haven't seen it,
it's a pretty good little documentary. There's like a there's
like a Japanese woman in the documentary who's kind of
like a new age seems like a new age wacko.
So they got them over here too, New age wackos everywhere.
But I the document I watched that documentary and it
reminded me of the of the the tsunami documentary I watched.

(01:09:53):
It was about the twenty eleven event and how there
were taxis picking people up and and taking them to
their destination, but then during the ride, the passenger would disappear.
There's more than a few documented cases of taxi drivers
picking up passengers, driving them and looking up in the mirror,

(01:10:18):
turning around to ask them a question or something, and
you know, make sure they're going in the right direction,
and they and the people disappeared, disappeared, They're not there.
And the point that I'm getting at here is that
those people and some of the locals, from what I've
read and saw in that documentary I watched that my god,
seven eight years ago, they believed that they were the

(01:10:38):
spirits of the people who had died. And if you
were to for example, if you were to go I
went out to Utah, Utah, State of Utah and did
a camping trip about four years ago. And when I
was out there, I went to this campground. It was

(01:10:58):
right outside the gate to Monument Valley. It was a
little campground called I think it was called maybe Big
Bear Campground or something like that, but it was run
by a family of Indians, and one of the guys,
interestingly was he was all excited to tell us he
was in an episode of Yellowstone. It's a really nice guy.

(01:11:20):
And that night it was a really great property too.
It's one of the better campsites we stayed at. It's
like ten bucks or something crazy cheap. And I saw
these lights over some of the buttes off in the distance.
And when I asked the next morning, I didn't say, hey,
I saw lights and tell me what they are. I said,
do you ever see anything strange out here? And he
said to me, he said, yeah, we've seen things for

(01:11:41):
generations over the mountain, over the butte there. And I said, well,
what are they? And he said, well, they're little balls
of light. And I had just seen that the night before,
so I'm thinking, oh, well that's exactly what I saw.
So it's, you know, there's confirmation here happening of what
I had seen. And he said, I think we think
that there are ancestors. Now. The reason that I'm telling

(01:12:02):
you these two stories Okay, one from a local multi
generational Indian family that lived out in Utah, and then
some taxi drivers and people here in Japan after the
twenty eleven tsunami. The reason I'm telling you these two
different stories is because they're literally, you know, on the
other side of the world, and they're two completely different cultures.

(01:12:24):
Although there are some Indian tribes that do have a
link to Japanese, and there's certainly a link to Asia
going back if you go back far enough, but that's
a whole other story as well. The point is like,
these are two distinct and different cultures and parts of
the world. And you see that this guy in Utah says,
we believe those glowing orbs are our ancestors. And then

(01:12:47):
you look over here in Japan and they believe that
those people that disappeared and some of the orbs were spirits.
And if you go back into the occult literature, you
go read a Grippa, Paracelsus and others, they talk about
the etheric spirits, the Sylphs. There's even church fathers who

(01:13:10):
reference stuff like this as well, and people like Robert
Flood talks about the world soul. Carl Jung I would say,
reintroduced some of these concepts and talked about how the
world's soul, it's a ball, it's a sphere, it's the spirit,
it's a spherical object. And so my point what I'm
getting at here is if you show those UFO images

(01:13:35):
and videos to people, if you are very, very Christian,
you can interpret that as either presence the presence of
a demonic force. You can interpret that as God showing
you a sign. Doesn't matter how you interpret it. The
point is you interpret it from your religious or cultural perspective.

(01:13:58):
If you're in a cone that is predominantly comprised of
Buddhists and people are that practice the indigenous cultural not religion,
but spirituality, then those orbs or those people are ghosts

(01:14:20):
and spirits. They're ancestors, which in relation to Christianity, I
actually watched a video recently where there was somebody interviewing
people in Japan and asking what's the biggest reason why
you wouldn't date a foreigner or why you wouldn't date
a Christian, And most of the people said because they
in their experience, the Christians mock and criticize or in

(01:14:45):
the people they had dated before or they demean or
they openly are hostile toward their ancestors, Like you're worshiping
your ancestors, it's like not, it's you're paying respects. So
the con between those two things is really profound. And
then when you factor in that story about what the
Indian guy told me in Utah, he says, there are ancestors.

(01:15:09):
So if you were to introduce this, those are pretty
universal concepts. You know, the spirit, the soul, the world sould,
the individual soul, the spirit, the ghost, whatever it might be.
But if you introduced that kind of stuff into a
country that is predominantly Christian and you show them this stuff,
the only linkage they have to anything supernatural is the Bible.

(01:15:31):
If you show this to somebody over here in Japan,
it's a spirit. As a matter of fact, I got
another good example for you. One of the women I
dated over here before I met my wife, and say,
I was more like very more like friends with her
more so than dating. Got along with her pretty well.
But one of the women I dated over here before
I met my wife, she was really interested in UFOs.

(01:15:55):
And the first person over here I talked to was
interested in something like that. But she said, a lot
of people are, and then she she's explaining why, and
her explanation was totally different, in my opinion, than anything
I'd ever heard in the US. The people that are
interested in UFOs, it wasn't motivated by like mystery and
government cover ups and conspiracy. Her interest and her families,

(01:16:17):
she said, her parents were obsessed with it too. Her
family's interest was motivated by by ancestors and by the
by spirits and by you know, local indigenous folklore and
you know, like Yokai monsters and things like that. It
wasn't motivated by religion. It wasn't motivated by some sort
of even spiritual bigotry. It was motiv motivated by the

(01:16:40):
the the the the culture in which the people grew
up in her family and her as well. And she
didn't see and she might just be a random example,
but she didn't see them as being one thing or another,
and didn't really seem to want to die or fight
on that hill. She just seemed to find it interesting

(01:17:01):
and thought that it had something to do with the spirits.
But if you introduce that idea to a Christian, they're
going to respond equally and justifiably so within the context
of their religion. So okay, I explain all this to you,
the Fukushima story, this woman I dated before I met
my wife, and also the guy I met in Utah.

(01:17:23):
I explained that to you because what this woman says
on Joe Rogan, Yes, we're still talking about this, and
a Pauline A Luna draws our attention back to ancient
aliens and what she is saying, and I'll play this
last bit again for you from the clip. I think

(01:17:44):
she mentions the christ stuff in the last two minutes here.
What she is saying in this clip is invoking Matis Agrist,
who was a Torah came from a Torah student. He
was a mathematician, really smart guy, and he came from
a family of Torust scholars who introduced the idea of

(01:18:06):
ancient astronaut theory. And then you have Abraham A VI Lobe,
who at some point I'll probably interview when I think
the time is right, get a hold of him. And
he's also from Israel, and he is introducing this concept
of think outside the box. It could be something other

(01:18:29):
than a comment, and there's nothing wrong with that, and
in fact, just that idea, just like the idea of
ancient astronaut theory. There's nothing wrong with that. And I
don't see it as like attacking Christianity, and I don't
see it as you know, some kind of psyop either.
I just see it as it's interesting because I talked

(01:18:50):
as I talked about on this show back in early
August August seventh, and then I spoke with my friend
Clyde Lewis on the phone and we were talking about
how Avi Lobe recently said that this three I Atlas
object could have something to do with the coming age
of the Messiah. So I'm going to play you what

(01:19:11):
Anapauline A Luna said the last part of this again,
and then I'm going to play you what Avi Lobe
had said.

Speaker 17 (01:19:17):
That so based on testimony, would be based on witnesses
that have come forward. But what I can tell you
is just told that they've that they've seen things. And
what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations,
is that there have been incidences that I believe where

(01:19:39):
very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside.

Speaker 11 (01:19:44):
Of tennis space that's very vague.

Speaker 18 (01:19:48):
Yeah, so look, yeah, look, have I seen a portal be?

Speaker 14 (01:19:53):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:19:54):
Have I seen a spaceship personally. No, Have I seen
evidence of this?

Speaker 20 (01:19:59):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (01:19:59):
Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe
were not made by mankind?

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:20:08):
Is there historical significance to this? Yes?

Speaker 17 (01:20:11):
Is there multiple events that go back to I would
argue maybe even before the time of Christ, that have
documented this in texts?

Speaker 18 (01:20:19):
Yes, so do I believe going back.

Speaker 11 (01:20:22):
To the time of Christ. And then if you heard
the earlier part of the video, she references the Bible
as well. Now I'm going to play you Avi Lobe
talking about three I Atlas and suggesting I don't think
that he's saying he believes it. I'm thinking that based
on what he's saying, he's saying it's possible, which is
all his Harvard paper says about the object anyway, in

(01:20:43):
relationship to it being a probe or a spaceship or
something's possible, stink outside the box. But here's Avi Lobe
talking about how it kind of might be the coming
of a messiah or a messianic age.

Speaker 21 (01:20:59):
There needs to be an international organization because presumably the
Aliens don't care how we split the territories on this earth,
you know, for them, it's irrelevant and this will be
a problem for all humans, So there needs to be
some coordination among all We are all in the same boat.
And just like President Rigan said, I do think it

(01:21:21):
will bring people together. When you have an external threat,
people tend to unite. And that, you know, in a way,
is a Messianic era. If you think about the arrival
of the Massaia and maybe that will come from another
star in the sense that it will bring peace to
Earth among all humans, I hope. So I also hope

(01:21:43):
that it will not endanger the future of humanity. And
I hope that we could learn from any technologies that
they might have that we don't have. We learn about
new science as well.

Speaker 11 (01:21:55):
So it could be the coming of a Messianic age.
It could be that the Messiah comes from another star.
All of that's really really interesting. It's all fascinating. It
it's intriguing, and it's thought provoking. Now I'm going to
try to show you how all of this comes together,
how all of it relates. What Anna Paulina Luna said

(01:22:21):
is not only similar to Memorandum sixty seven point fifty one,
which is publicly available day of July eighth, nineteen forty seven,
it talks about the locus, the talus. These are higher
and lower dimensional planes of existence that there are these craft.
They come from somewhere else. It's an etheric plane. So
what that document says, anybody could read it. Anybody could

(01:22:44):
use it as a reference point without actually referencing it,
could use as motivation inspiration to say something like a
Paulina Luna said on Joe Rogan. But it's also weird
that we have the Director of Science at the White House,
Michael Kratzios, making what I think we're not supposed to be,

(01:23:09):
but what became controversial claims about technology that can manipulate
time and space. Michael Cratzio said this just a few
months ago, back in April of this year, and the
White House has yet, to my knowledge, to confirm exactly
what he meant by that. Some speculation suggested that what

(01:23:35):
we're actually seeing here is the the exposure of the
time travel conspiracy. And for those of you who don't
know what the time travel conspiracy is, the time travel
conspiracy of the president involves Trump's connections to Nicola Tesla.

(01:23:59):
There's a logan. It's actually it's a Latin phrase. It's
used as the national motto of Spain, it's plus Ultra
and it even has a connection to Atlantis because it
was supposedly inscribed on the pillars of Hercules at the
Strait of Gibraltar, which is supposedly maybe one of the
areas in which Atlantis physical Atlantis is associated with. But

(01:24:22):
the Plus Ultra Club, which has a link to mar
A Lago because there are tiles in mar A Lago
that say plus Ultra, although some people say it's not
plus Ultra, that the Latin is misinterpreted. But the Plus
Ultra Club supposed to be a bunch of people that had,
you know, the ability because of Tesla technology to travel
back in or forward in time, and it included Nicola Tesla,

(01:24:47):
Thomas Edison, Jules Verne, Gustave Eifel, et cetera. And it
was it's a real society. But of course the conspiracy
goes beyond that, and you get the thirty three Club
at Disney, which I don't think is really that exclusive anymore.
The whole thing really comes out of Ingersol Law Lockwood's
three part book series, which is about Baron Trump and
Baron Trump is he is mentored by somebody named Don

(01:25:10):
and has a connection to Russia, has a German ancestry,
has a castle or a tower, Trump Tower, And in
the final novel, a candidate political representative is unexpectedly elected
to president, causing New York to explode into riots with
the leftist mob marchin on Fifth Avenue where Trump Tower
is today. And these motifs have people asking is Trump

(01:25:32):
a time traveler because of his uncle working on the
Tesla papers, And I thought, you know, maybe it's not
that Trump's the time traveler. Maybe it's that Lockwood was
the time traveler. He was living in New York at
a time in which Tesla was living there. There's an overlap,
not just in terms of time, but in terms of
the community that he would have spent his time with
as a writer. One of the best friends of Nicola

(01:25:55):
Tesla was Mark Twain, famous writer. It's very like lead
that Angers Lockwood would have been in that same community
and probably would have known Tesla. So I think that's
an alternative theory that it's actually Ingersol Lockwood that perhaps
is the time traveler. But that's not really the point.
The point is what Michael Cratzio said has people thinking, oh,

(01:26:17):
maybe there is some substance to the Trump is a
time traveler story, not to mention the back to the
Future Biff version of Trump. Here is Michael Cratzio's making
the statements about space and time.

Speaker 22 (01:26:32):
We seem to have lost focus in vision, to have
lowered our sites and let systems and structures and bureaucracies
muddle us along. But we are capable of so much more.
Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. They
lead distance annihilated causings to grow and improve productivity.

Speaker 11 (01:26:53):
Now, I'll tell you something else that I think is
a perspective that I really can't explain to. You have
to expect instant for yourself. But if you live in
like a small town and you go for the first time,
and maybe it's the actual first time, are you go
and stay for an extended period of time in a

(01:27:13):
big city, you're kind of overwhelmed, right, You're overwhelmed by
how there's just so much you don't know what to do.
There's so much noise. You're not used to that, and
vice versa. Used to a city. You go to the countryside,
maybe you're not used to the quiet. Maybe you're like
me when you go to the countryside after living in
a dangerous city, and then you're just everybody's still a threat.

(01:27:34):
There's like nobody really around, but that's even more suspicious
because they must be hiding and ready to rob you
when you take your trash out. Okay, So anyway, the
point is, if you live in one of those areas,
then you go to a big city, it's a culture shock.
And this is what people tell you when you come
to especially the further you go away from home, that's

(01:27:55):
what you're going to experience. If you grew up in
China and you come to the US, you're probably going
to experience some culture shock. That's one thing people told
me about coming to Japan. They said, you're the culture shock,
culture shock, culture shock, And I said, I don't really
think I'm a good example of that because I do
so much like they do here already, that my culture
shock is living in the US. Like I frankly, the

(01:28:17):
US is culture shock to me. I feel better over here,
but I get the idea of what people are saying
because it is culture shock.

Speaker 13 (01:28:26):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:28:27):
A friend of mine went to Tokyo and went to
one of those stores and just was like totally shocked
that there were so many options for electronics. Just something
like that, something silly, is almost revelatory, like why don't
we have all those options? Why is it? And it's
it's a cultural thing, it's an economic there's a lot

(01:28:47):
of factors that go into it. The point is, the
whole world doesn't live the way that we do in
our little towns or our cities or our countries. There's
a vast world out there of people that do things
differently and have different technology. If you look at the
trains that China has, and you can't even compare that
to the US because you don't really have trains. You

(01:29:08):
look at the trains Japan has or even Germany, you
can't compare that to the United States. So in a
lot of ways, you know, I mean, my wife was
telling me she was riding these high speed trains when
she was a kid, and then I looked it up
and the shin consin was like in the sixties, it
came out the sixties. But then on the other side,

(01:29:31):
it's like, well, I mean, in the sixties, Americans really
were paving the way and pioneering you know, personal car
ownership and big cars and you know Route sixty nine
and traveling and taking big road trips, and they didn't
really have that in Japan. So it's the point is
if you're thinking about technology like to manipulate space and time,

(01:29:54):
and the context of what Kratzios is saying, you need
to keep all of that in mind, the context of
all of that in mind, need to understand that maybe
they're not talking about Maybe he's not talking about the
science fiction type fantasies that we all would like to
be true. It might not be so literal. Just there's

(01:30:18):
a possibility that it might not be that literal. Now
it won't be lost on some of you as listeners
to recognize what I've recognized, or to hear what I've recognized.
I've recognized this. I mentioned that the congresswoman that spoke
to Joe Rogan her name is Luna, which means moon,
and that recently we have this announcement of a plan

(01:30:40):
to put a nuclear facility on the Moon. It's weird
because Michael Kratzio's for some weird reason, I just I
heard that name again and I thought, why does that
sound so familiar? And then I remembered why it sounded
so familiar, because Cratsios is etymologically I don't think his

(01:31:05):
parents named him, you know, it's it's that's not his
given name, but the family. I don't think his family
name comes from mythology per se, but etymologically speaking, it
is rooted in Greek, and it's rooted not just in Greek,
but it's rooted in Greek for Cratos and Kratos. Although

(01:31:26):
he's kind of been fictionalized as a god of war
as a famous video game series God of War, Cretos
is kind of like the enforcement arm of Zeus. So
in a way, he's kind of like a god of war.
But if you read the story about Zeus, Cretos and Bea,

(01:31:47):
which is his sister, Cretos's sister, Cretos is Greek for
strength and power, which you're associated with war, and his
sister Bia is force. So the force of strength and
power carries out the commands of Zeus. That's what the
myth actually means. Zeus is the divine plan. If you will,

(01:32:12):
Cretos is the god of strength and power. He exercises
the will of Zeus, but it's enforced through his sister Bia.
And then what is the name of this new object? Three?
I Atlas? What does Atlas mean Atlas, mythologically speaking, means strength,

(01:32:34):
just like Cratos means strength. Though in mythology, Atlas is
not just strength. He's a titan. And what is a
titan but a primordial deity of natural forces. Now, natural forces,
be them of Cratos or Atlas. Natural forces are the

(01:32:56):
things that you must manipulate in order to break the
laws of physics. They are also the things that you
have to play with if you wish to manipulate space
and time, or time and space, you have to interfere
with them. You have to break them, you have to

(01:33:17):
transcend them to be able to do these things, to
do the types of things that are otherwise considered you know,
science fiction, the realm of it's impossible, we can't do that.
That's science fiction, the realm of aliens gifting us technology,
the ancient alien hypothesis, all of this stuff. It's also

(01:33:40):
really strange that the other two interstellar objects they're named
after totally different things. One of them, Omoa Moa, is
Hawaiian it means messenger from Afar arriving first. And boris off,
which I believe is Slavac and it means fighter. So

(01:34:00):
if you were to translate in chronological chronological come from
Kronos time chronological order. You have Omoa Moa, the messenger
from a far arriving first, followed by Borisov, the fighter,
and followed by Atlas, who is the titan and who
represents natural forces. In other words, Michael Kratzio saying that

(01:34:26):
we can manipulate time and space is really strangely connected
with the revelation of a third interstellar object, which in
order with a Momo and Borisov means the messenger from
afar arriving first, who is a fighter and who will
bring about, using natural forces what a titan brings about,

(01:34:48):
and that is necessary evil, a calamity, perhaps a disaster,
but also you know, it could be a different kind
of disaster, not one that completely destroys the whole world
or something, but one that reshapes the whole world. And
now we can go back and we can look at

(01:35:08):
what Avid Lob was saying, because what Avi Lobe is
saying is that this object three I Atlas might be
a herald of the Messianic era, that the Messiah might
come from another star. Now, beyond the fact that Avi
Lobe says, we need an international organization which to a

(01:35:29):
lot of people might wreak of a un new world
order conspiracy using aliens to unite us together, and maybe
that is what he's suggesting. I don't know what his
motivations are. Frankly, I trust my friend Clyde, who's very
good friends with Avi Lob. Avi Lobe strikes me actually
as a as a decent guy. I don't think that
there's anything necessarily sinister about what he's saying, but what

(01:35:52):
he's suggesting, and what Clyde also, he had suggested this too,
Avi about the Messiah. But what he's suggesting this is
also not even a new idea. What they're suggesting is
that the Messianic era will introduce the Savior, but not
the Savior in the sense of like an actual Jewish

(01:36:13):
Messiah or an even Christian or Muslim aldaja al or Antichrist.
This would be the re starting or the reignition, the
reshaping of the whole world, which is what we get
from a moa moa borsof atlas. This would be the
restructuring of society. This would be a new world order,

(01:36:35):
quite literally, not necessarily in a bad way, not necessarily
in a good way, but in a way whatever that
way is, or whatever that way might be, and so
it must not be a coincidence that reports are simultaneously
being published by religious websites claiming that the State of

(01:36:56):
Israel has already performed or is preparing to perform through
we have video of a mock sacrifice of the red Heifer,
something that many believe is necessary for the purifying of
the site and of the priests to build the Third Temple.
And although a lot of Jews believe that this is necessary,

(01:37:21):
there are ultra orthodox Jews who believe that this is wrong,
that we should not poke and prod God, and that
divine intervention should be the author of the ritual instead
of human initiative. Other Jews see the sacrifice as archaic.
These are not even necessarily Messianic Jews. These are people

(01:37:41):
that see the sacrifice as an old prescription that does
not need to be followed, and they believe in a
Messianic era similar to what avi Low belluted to, and
that that era was anything but an actual person. Either way,
most Christians are really eager to fulfill literal perceived profit
to see now. Amateur astronomers have also pointed out, and

(01:38:04):
this has been confirmed unofficially because there hasn't been like
a press conference on it. But there are photographs from
Hubble and I think James Webb of objects near the
sun that appear to be cube like, And some have
even suggested that perhaps at least based on certain visual perspectives,

(01:38:29):
certain angles of three I Atlas, that it might not
be so much of a cigar shaped object. It might
be more of an elongated cube like object. Now that's
something I cannot verify. I also can't verify that it's
a cylindrical object. I don't know, but that would if

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we're going to keep what Avi Lobes said in mind
about the Messianic era, if we're going to keep in
mind the strange etymological relationship that the Hawaiian a Moha Moa,
the Slavic Borisov, and the Atlas, the European Atlas names

(01:39:12):
have further as they relate to this member of Congress
coincidentally being named Luna, talking about this revelation as it
relates to the Bible, its ufo alien presence as it
relates to the Bible, bringing up the idea of ancient
aliens without directly saying it, which relates to Meteste Agrest,

(01:39:32):
who was a mathematician born into a Torah scholar family,
who was very devoutly Jewish, who presented the idea that
ancient astronauts settled this planet and gave a civilization, not
Jesus or God. And if you put all that together
and then you consider that it is very likely that

(01:39:55):
it will happen soon, if not, if it hasn't already happened,
that religion groups in Israel are going to perform the
Red Heifer. They're going to force the hand of God.
They want to build the Third Temple. And many believe
that this will be the starting point of what we
call armageddon, that this will trigger a larger war, that

(01:40:17):
God will protect Israel, and that there'll be a rapture
even before that. But none of this stuff is meant
to be taken literally. And if you think about all
of this stuff in context, and you think that maybe
it's at least possible, just as possible as any other explanation,
that maybe there is a cube like structure to some
of these objects, well then that brings us to Revelation

(01:40:40):
twenty one sixteen. And what is Revelation twenty one sixteen?
Tell us Revelation twenty one sixteen gives us the layout
of the New Jerusalem. Revelation twenty one sixteen describes it
as being and this is how it is interpreted, as
being twelve thousand stadia in length and as wide and

(01:41:01):
high as it is long, meaning that it is a
cube like shape. Now I've described this, I've talked about
this on recent shows, and I've also discussed this in
my new book. If you read Zachariah, if you read
First Peter Ephesians Revelations. I'm not Christian, but I've read

(01:41:23):
the Bible, and I know what the Bible says in
most contexts and most respects. And when you actually read
it as opposed to perceiving it without reading it or
reading it with a certain intention, you just read it objectively,
you'll start to notice that most of it is symbolic.
And this is important because if you read, for example, Zachariah,

(01:41:49):
you read about how Jerusalem is a heavy stone. If
you read First Peter, you learn about the spiritual house
and the cornerstone that's described in the Fesians, which is
a Masonic symbol. That heavy stone that is Jerusalem, that

(01:42:09):
spiritual house that is Jerusalem, that cornerstone, which is Christ.
That's what Ephesians two nineteen through twenty says. You are
no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God's
people and also members of his household, built on the
foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself
as the chief cornerstone. This brings us into the dictionary

(01:42:34):
so that we can describe what Israel is. It's a
representation of all of mankind. Jerusalem is a spiritual city.
It's also a real city, but it's also spiritual city.
Troy is a myth, but it's also a real place.
What do they tell you as an author to write
what you know? As a journalist, to write what you know, Well,
that's what was happening. People were writing what they knew.

(01:42:55):
If you read Revelation twenty one two, it says I
saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, down out of
the heaven from God, prepared as a bride, beautifully dressed
for her husband. Now you could take that literally whether
you read it or you hear it second or third hand.
But as in the Masonic metaphor and allegory, depending on

(01:43:16):
how the story is told, constructive lives are bricks in
the building of the human temple. Will upright humans, that
is to say, rough ashlar polished into fine stone represent
bricks in the perpetual construction of the societal temple. Jesus
is the cornerstone of this palace, and this great city.
Jerusalem comes from the Greek and the Hebrew Urushaleum, which

(01:43:40):
means foundation of peace. The cornerstone of this city of
peace is Christ Jesus. The cornerstone of this city of
peace is Christ Jesus. Its foundation is built on the
apostles and prophets. Its walls are built with the stones
of the righteous bricks in the unfinished pyramid, and it
glitters as a holy city as it descends down from

(01:44:01):
heaven like rays of sunlight. Its other name is Zion,
which means heavenly city or kingdom of Heaven, derived from
the English Scion and Latin Scion. Revelation twenty one sixteen,
as I said, refers to the city laid out like
a square described as a cube. Revelation twenty one sixteen
describes the New Jerusalem in a similar manner, not only

(01:44:25):
to a cube, but to the cornerstone of Christ and
the black Saturnaine cube, the New Jerusalem cornerstone and black
cube can further be linked to the Masonic ashlar, which
symbolizes the transformation of man from rough to smooth as
the block is polished. According to Mason, read, the perfect
ashlark can only be achieved after a regulated life of

(01:44:46):
piety and virtue. And these things must be tried by
the square of God's word and the compass of conscience.
That's the metaphor, that's the symbolism in masonry. It's not evil.
That is also the symbolism in the Bible. It's not literal,

(01:45:07):
it's symbolic and in understanding at least the idea of
these things. We can apply it to Atlas three I Atlas,
and we could interpret it as a sign of the
coming Messiah, therefore a sign of the coming of the

(01:45:28):
New Jerusalem. But if we do that, it is not
to be interpreted as a literal cube that descends down
to earth and makes everything happy and peaceful. It's a
new age like Ares, Taurus, Pisces and Aquarius, a new consciousness,

(01:45:55):
a new idea. The cornerstone, whether it's Christ, Jesus, a
black cube, perfect ashlar, the perfect human, whatever it might be,
however you interpret it, whatever symbolic clothing you would like
to dress it in. We are talking about a symbolic consciousness,

(01:46:17):
a symbolic age, a symbolic thing, And if that is
what Atlas represents, and this is how it's being implied
and talked about and referenced, then just like Bill Cooper said,

(01:46:38):
it's very possible that Israel was created as a state
to bring about armageddon as part of a much larger
conspiracy to essentially create the universal New World Order global religion,
which then links to the conspiracy that people reference from
Carol Rosen's common usually out of context with Caro Rosen's

(01:47:02):
comments from doctor von Braun about how there would be
an alien threat and this would as Ronald Reagan also says,
this would have maybe brought the world together. So it's
not so much that we're talking about actual alien astronauts necessarily.
We're not necessarily talking about actual spaceships or real cubes
coming down from the from the heavens. We're talking about

(01:47:25):
something that's invisible. We don't know what it is. Just
like COVID, they can show us kind of an image,
but it's not That doesn't mean that that's making us sick.
It doesn't mean that that's going to hit earth, or
that it's going to be aliens that are going to
invade or something like that. No, they're just ideas, and
you're given that idea and then you're given this this
interpretation that it's like ancient aliens, it's the coming of

(01:47:47):
the Messiah. Perhaps if this is in the collective unconscious,
then it indicates that, yes, there is a return of Christ,
there is a return of the Savior or a coming
another coming Messiah, because it means that there's a transformation occurring.
There's a there's a transformation of consciousness happening taking us

(01:48:09):
into Christ consciousness. And I mean that is as we've
seen over centuries of human existence. That is what people
refer to as ascension. It's just not it's not literal ascension.
It doesn't cost anything. It's you don't go to another dimension.
It's a state of realization. Like the Rosicrucians talk about
how there are mineral beings or mineral consciousness. There is

(01:48:36):
elemental consciousness, there is plant consciousness, human consciousness, animal consciousness.
I mean that's not an order orders like elemental it's
an elemental mineral, plant, animal, human, demi, God and God, consciousness,
the seven divine spheres, spirits, levels of consciousness and awareness,
et cetera. And that is all described in regard to

(01:49:02):
the planetary spheres, the seven classical planetary spheres, and whether
we're talking about Ishtar or Inana and their time in
the underworld. Like persephony, it all is linked to the
heavens and the stars, just like the milky ways link
to the now River. It's linked to the different planetary bodies.
And so if you have a Moa Moa, if you

(01:49:24):
have Borisova, if you have Atlas, and these things are
the messengers, and those messengers are bringing us something new.
Those messengers are symbols of something, not spaceships. There's symbols
of something. There's symbols of a new consciousness. And as

(01:49:45):
those symbols become more publicly known and talked about in disgust,
they start to shape consciousness, they start to shape the
overall societ that we live in. When the messenger arrives
from Afarma Moa, and that messenger is a fighter Borsof,

(01:50:10):
and it introduces us to Atlas, the Titan, the primordial
deity of natural forces. There will be a natural divine
shift and change in awareness. It doesn't mean that we
transcend space and time. It doesn't mean that we stop
living our lives. It means that we have new awareness,

(01:50:31):
we have new consciousness. But those things can also be manipulated.
And so that brings me to the final clip I
have for you tonight, and that is Jeremy Corbel. Jeremy
Corbel telling you that you're going to be lied to
about a craft that's on its way to Earth is.

Speaker 20 (01:50:52):
Going to be that there is a craft slowly making
its way to us here on Earth, And that is
the lie they're going to want you to believe.

Speaker 11 (01:51:04):
It's nuanced, just like what Luna was saying on Joe Rogan. Now,
who exactly do you trust? Who do you believe? Do
you believe Jeremy Corbel? Do you believe Stephen Greer who
says all the aliens are kind? Do you believe this
Luna woman? Do you believe Tulsa Gabbard? Do you believe
David Grush? Do you believe Ross Coldheart? Do you believe
Avi Loeb? Who do you believe? Do you look at

(01:51:25):
it from a religious point of view? Certain denomination of
that religious point of view, a personal bias. What you
want to be true? How do you see these things?
How do you perceive these things? What is the motivation
behind your attempt to understand what any of this stuff
means or what any of the stuff is, or what
it represents. He says that it'll be a lie. Kara

(01:51:49):
Rosen says, soh, the threat will be a lie based
on what von Braun said, And Luna is saying, like
Kratzios is saying, oh, we can we know that these
things are in ani dimensional. We don't know what they
are exactly. The Cratzio says, oh, we can manipulate space
and time. Ovulop says, maybe we can get technology out
of them. Maybe the signals the coming of the Messianic era. Hey,

(01:52:11):
with what people have reported about these objects, maybe it
signals the new Jerusalem. But if you study what the
new Jerusalem is, it's not a physical city, folks, It's
a spiritual city built on the consciousness and the ideas
and the philosophies embodied in Christ, the transformation, in fact,

(01:52:31):
theologically speaking from the animal sacrifice to the sacrifice of Christ,
which was the ultimate sacrifice, right, which is why Jews
and Christians have some disagreement. And when you have people
that are basing all of this on religion, and you
have other parts of the world that see these things

(01:52:52):
as spirits or ancestors or something like that, I mean it.
I'm just trying to get you to look at this
from from all perspectives. And look, I think all perspectives.
It's not some kind of absolutism or some sort of pacifism.
When I say all perspectives, I just simply mean for

(01:53:15):
some that strengthens God's creation. For others it destroys God's creation.
Whatever the case is. There are others that see these
things as spirits, as gods in a totally different way
with a lowercase G. There are people who, like myself,
see a lot of this as metaphor. I don't think
I've been I don't think I've been introduced to enough

(01:53:39):
evidence to believe that a particle created a certain kind
of symptom complex in people like COVID. And I don't
think that I've been showing really any information at all,
not even lies about this three I atlas, which takes
me back to that Time magazine article coronavirus could preview

(01:54:00):
will happen when alien life reaches Earth. What if we
choose to react to three I atlas in the same
way we reacted to COVID and an invisible potential threat.
What do we do? Do we build space based weapons platforms?
Do we already have them? Do we build upon what
we already have? Do we create space force? Is the

(01:54:22):
President linked to Nicola Tesla Ingersol Lockwood? Is there time
travel involved? Is Michael Kratzios, the guy that runs the
White House's Scientific Advisory Panel, the guy that's the chief
science officer of the White House? Is it coincidental? His

(01:54:43):
name is Kratsios, which comes from the Greek Kratos, who
was the powerful and strong hand of Zeus, who with
his sister was the enforcer of Zeus. In other words,
he was kind of like the primordial concept of divine justice.
Is that just a coincidence when you compare that to

(01:55:07):
this other woman who's speaking about interdimensional beings and space
and time, like Kratzios was this woman representative of the
American public, this congress woman named Luna the Moon. Is
it Is it a coincidence that what she is saying,
what Kratzios is saying sort of links back to that
memorandum sixty seven fifty one. Does I mean is it

(01:55:30):
a coincidence that those names and those things relate to
the names Hawaiian, Slavic and European for the different you know,
the different interstellar objects a moha moa Borisov and Atlas
a Moama meaning messenger arriving from Afar, arriving first, and

(01:55:51):
Borisov meaning fighters. The messenger, the fighter that comes to
as Atlas does through strength bring about to a now
natural change. And that perhaps that is the Messianic age,
the messianic age that Avi Lobe was talking about. That
our friend Clyde Lewis has talked about the Messianic age
that even Larry Allison, not in so many words, has

(01:56:14):
talked about. Larry Ellison of workle talking about how all
the AI is coming out of Herzeleia. That's where the
big advancements are coming from. And when we're looking for
aliens and gods, maybe we're looking in the wrong place.
That the aliens and gods are in the AI. It's
a ghost in the machine. It's why these devices and
these programs are really good at making cosmic horrors. They're

(01:56:36):
really good at depicting Cthulhu. They're really good at depicting
the Shogoth. And if this is coming out Hursleya Israel
and Avi Lobi is from Israel, and the inventor of
the say, the inventor of the guy that came up
with the concept of ancient Aliens is also Israeli of
the tribe mattist Agrist, and he was a torah about

(01:57:00):
toward jew and they believe in the Messianic era coming.
There's a lot of conservative traditional Jews that don't believe
that we should have a red Hefer sacrifice, don't believe
we should build the Third Temple, that we should leave
this stuff in the hands of God and stop trying
to poke in prod God, like Bill Cooper suggested the
state of Israel was created to bring about armageddon. So

(01:57:21):
what does all of this mean. It's really weird because
if all of this is coming out of hers Lea
the Ai, you know. C. J. S. Thompson wrote in
his book on Magic that the elf, this is the
little strange looking creature. The elf comes from the celestial regions,
comes from space, and that it's very skilled in the

(01:57:44):
mechanical arts. So either maybe Dave Chappelle was right that
the historical Jews and they're covenant with God, are some
alien presence, or perhaps so that covenant with God is
not an alien God, and the Jews aren't aliens. That
we're all Jews, we're all Israel, We're all part of
God's covenant. We all have it a covenant with God.

(01:58:05):
We all struggle with God. And just like we project
the infantile self onto the gray alien, or the reptilian
self onto the reptile alien, that little strange creature, that
homunculus inside of us, which is part of that alchemical
transformation that rough Ashlar made into a smooth stone, which
is the stone, the cornerstone of the new Jerusalem, that

(01:58:27):
a coming Messiah, Messianic age, the new Jerusalem, call it ascension,
that we're going to go through a transformative process like
humans have always gone through. It's nothing new. And perhaps
something like Atlas signifies this natural kind of omen like

(01:58:49):
comments have always signified the end of an age, the
end of an era, the end of a king, the
end of a kingdom. And maybe that's what Amoa, Moa,
Boresov and Atlas signify. That's how we're interpreting them with
modern technology, that they're alien. Instead of a signifier of
death and destruction, they're a signifier of an alien presence.
It's a modern interpretation. It's like chariots of the gods

(01:59:11):
turned into spaceships of the gods, because that's what we
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Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Hello, anybody home today, I want you to open your mind.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
I've almost done on the conclusion that the story is
subdamning that the massive apple will can deal with it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:15):
We are in process of developing a whole series of
techniques to bid people actually to love their certitude.

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
We face a hostile ideology, global in scope, atheistic in character.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
Ruthless in purpose, and insiduous in methode.

Speaker 4 (02:00:32):
Or we are opposed around the world by a monolithic
and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for
expanding its sphere of influence.

Speaker 5 (02:00:41):
To change the minds and the attitudes and the beliefs
of the people to bring about one world socialist totalitarian government.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists.

Speaker 6 (02:00:53):
It is patterned itself after every dictator who's ever planted
the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history.
To be getting of time.

Speaker 7 (02:01:00):
If you can get people to consent to the state
of affairs in which they are living, then you have
a much more easily controllable society than you would if
you were relying poorly on clubs and firing squads and
concentration camps.

Speaker 8 (02:01:15):
Tools in conquest do not necessarily come with bats and
extorsions and followed there are weapons that re simply fight stents, prejudices.

Speaker 9 (02:01:24):
As you connect the dots between different people, organizations, religions, history,
suddenly the picture starts to form.

Speaker 11 (02:01:32):
The Kingdom of God is within men, not one man
nor a group of men.

Speaker 12 (02:01:36):
Someone born in the United States is not more special
than someone born in Mexico. Someone who is white is
not more special than someone who is black. They're just
vehicles for the consciousness to experience.

Speaker 13 (02:01:49):
They do not want your children to be objucated. They
do not want you to think too much.

Speaker 14 (02:01:56):
It was learned that the aliens had men and within
manipulating matters of people through secret societies, witchcraft, magic, the occult,
and religion.

Speaker 6 (02:02:04):
They're reaching to our children, music, television, books.

Speaker 11 (02:02:07):
Right, no children's existence?

Speaker 6 (02:02:08):
How can I just still lies?

Speaker 13 (02:02:10):
Set a stands with an efficiency.

Speaker 10 (02:02:12):
So if you have the opportunity to stand next to
one of these machines, it feels like an altar to
an alien god.

Speaker 11 (02:02:18):
Genetic powers, most awesome force the planet's ever seen. But
you wielded like a kid that's found his dad's a gun.

Speaker 17 (02:02:23):
You're the airport who has an ounced.

Speaker 9 (02:02:24):
But applying this there is now in the production of
the army.

Speaker 13 (02:02:27):
Too many others know what's happening out there, and no one, no.

Speaker 15 (02:02:30):
Government agency, has jurisdiction over the truth. Any state, any entity,
any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity
the rights of man, that state is absolute, a case
to be found under m from mankind in the twilight, Sir.

Speaker 16 (02:02:46):
About time some of you got acquainted with the real,
hard truth.

Speaker 12 (02:02:51):
It's the haw that says I will not acquiesce.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
Freedom is the free major to be right, freedom from
the disasters, and.

Speaker 11 (02:02:59):
Homis You don't connect the dots, It's just a mass
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We always get a great response when I go on
Quite Frankly and Frank's a great guy, has a fun show,
has a really great studio. I love Frank's studio. If
you missed that show that I did with Frank last night,
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it'll bring up his website and you can watch the
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minutes last night. We ended up doing somewhere around an
hour and twenty without. The conversation flowed very well, and
Frank gave me an opportunity to lay out my case
for three I Atlas and to lay out my case
for an alternate explanation for all of the theories and

(02:05:40):
opinions about three I Atlas. And I had thought prior
to doing the show last night with Frank that I
had said all that I needed or wanted to say
about the subject. And the interview went so well, I
started thinking I probably should address this again on The
Secret Teachings. I did reference the Messianic Triplicity show that

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I did back on August eighteenth on his show, and
I'll reference that again tonight. If you missed that episode
of The Secret Teachings Masianic Triplicity, it is in the archive,
whether it's the free archive or the subscription archive. Scroll
back to August eighteenth, two or three Solid Scrolls should

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do it, and you'll find an episode that we did
about Omoa, Moa, Borsov and Atlas, these quote interstellar objects.
It was a very detailed show. It involved a lot
of mythology, a lot of history of the UFO subject,

(02:06:46):
and it involved speculating on the speculation, just a little
bit about these interstellar objects and the various explanations for them.
We also talked about on that show religious prophecy in
theology as well, and I wanted to do another version

(02:07:10):
of that show tonight, especially after the interview last night
with Frank, because when I go into another radio show,
I have to think about the audience. I have to
think that a lot of people have probably never heard me,
A lot of people might not know much about me

(02:07:31):
if they have heard about me, and so I have
to sort of present myself in a very a very
concise and a very specific way so that I can
get the critical points that I want to be made
across on a show where I'm not in control of

(02:07:54):
the time or of the content narration. And so I
began the show last night Frank's show, not our show.
Our show was a different topic. It's of course in
the archive if you missed it. But I told Frank's audience,
I said, if you read a VI Lobe's paper on

(02:08:19):
three I atlas, you actually read it. It's not that long.
It's technical, but it's not that long. It was published
July twenty second of this year, twenty twenty five and
the paper itself, although it references quote an alien spacecraft,

(02:08:39):
this idea is, in conclusion, what avi Lobe and his
team at Harvard referred to as a and this is
a quote pedagogical exercise. Pedagogical means the way that something
is learned and the way that things influence that process

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of learning. In other words, a pedagogical exercise is a
fought experiment. Three Ie Atlas is a Schrodinger's cat. We
don't know what it is. It could equally be something
totally natural that we've just never seen before. And in conclusion, A.

(02:09:23):
Vi Lob and his team say the following. By far,
the most likely outcome will be that three Eye Atlas
is a completely natural interstellar object, probably a comet, and
the authors await the astronomical data to support this likely origin.

(02:09:43):
That was the report from A. Vi Lobe and his
team at Harvard. Now has Avi Lobe said that it
could be something else, sure, but that's Schrodinger's UFO, that's
Schrodinger's Atlas. It could be a lot of things. The
New York Post published an article on September fifth, this

(02:10:07):
was last week that says, quote Manhattan sized interstellar object
three I Atlas could release many probes that hit Earth,
experts worn. The experts were representative Anna Paulina Luna and
Harvard scientist Avi Lob And what was suggested, and this

(02:10:32):
was part of a podcast called the Soul Foundation podcast,
was that if we are visited by a technological object
like three Eye Atlas. That's if we are visited by
an object like this object, assuming that it is something
other than what it is likely to be, and that

(02:10:53):
is a comet, Avi Lobe said, quote, it could either
visit us or release some manybes that arrive to Earth
and appear as you ap. This is purely speculative. This
is purely a what if. This is the kind of
stuff that if you heard me or another radio host

(02:11:16):
or a podcast or say something like this, you know
that it's just commentary. It could be x yz And
you say that within a two hour interview. And if
people are really listening and paying attention to what you say,
and wherever you go online or in the news, they'll

(02:11:37):
take anything you say totally out of context because that
drives clicks to the New York Post. I don't even
want to say the girl's name and promote her stuff.
But a girl by the name of Gomez does the
same thing. That would be the at one point the
heir to Jimmy Church's throne. Gomez telling people on social

(02:12:01):
media that a Harvard scientist said that an alien object
was going to make contact with Earth later this year.
That's not what he said, that's not what his paper said,
but she sells that because people will click on it.
People will listen to that. There's a built an audience
in the UFO community. If you show them any pictures

(02:12:23):
or videos and say this is an alien ship, they
believe it. Remote viewing Mall aliens in Miami, remote viewing
the Las Vegas aliens. Remember the con artists and the
frauds that did that. That's not even how remote viewing works.
You can't pick a target and say, Okay, I'm going
to remote view Mall aliens. Doesn't work that way. There's

(02:12:48):
a lot of UFO people that do that, but there's
also a lot of just news outlets that do it,
because what is a better headline. Manhattan sized interstellar object
could release mini probes or Radio host Ryan Gable believes
that this is a very complex issue that requires an
extensive amount of investigation. And analysis, and historical knowledge and

(02:13:12):
information on UFOs, information on comments, information on the history
of what those things signify and symbolize. You can't pack
all that into a headline. But with our fast paced lifestyles,
we want the headline. We want to have the conversation
around the proverbial water cooler or whatever the modern contemporary

(02:13:34):
version of that is about. Did you hear there's an
alien spaceship coming to Earth in a few months.

Speaker 16 (02:13:44):
Now?

Speaker 11 (02:13:44):
I didn't hear that. Well, you should read the New
York Post. You should listen to what Gomez says on YouTube.
You should listen to what Avi Lobe says. Sometimes I'll
kind of be sarcastic when people ask me questions like that.
I'll say, really, there's an alien spaceship coming? Where did

(02:14:04):
you hear that?

Speaker 14 (02:14:06):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (02:14:06):
This guy at Harvard said it, which guy uh lobes something. Oh, oh,
Avi Lob, Yeah, that's right, So you've heard of it. Well,
I read his paper and he said it was a comment. Yeah,
but the New York Post said it was the size
of Manhattan and it's going to release many probes. No,
that's not what they actually said. So we get conjecture,

(02:14:29):
we get overblown comments that are taken out of context.
We get assumptions, we get a lot of things that
are not real. They're fantasy or their at least possibilities.
I don't care. It doesn't bother me to speculate because
it's a Schrodinger's box situation that three I Atlas might

(02:14:54):
be under intelligent control. That doesn't matter to me if
it is or isn't, that's not the point. And this
is where I think this show differs from virtually every
other show on subjects like this, not because it's special
or unique, but just because I am not trying to
convince you or myself that this is an alien spaceship

(02:15:17):
or that it's not. I really, frankly don't care one
way or the other, not because I'm not interested. I
do care. I am interested. I just am not concerned
with promoting an idea and dying on that hill when
I don't objectively know anything. This is the problem. We

(02:15:40):
don't know. It's fine to speculate, but we don't know.
An example I gave last night when I was a
guest on another show, I said, think about it like
COVID nineteen or SARS, COVID two, SARS CO two was invisible.

(02:16:02):
I mean they showed you particles under a microscope. The
question is do those particles actually make you sick. That's
a totally different subject. But they showed you maybe particles
under a microscope, but it's invisible without technological assistance. You
can't see it with the naked eye. And the way

(02:16:23):
in which the public was manipulated using PCR tests using
data twenty four to seven on the news of cases
of people that are sick of deaths associated with et cetera,

(02:16:46):
convinced the mass majority of the public this was a
threat and anything and everything that could be done should
be done to stop it. And the ramifications of that
psychological torture are still present in society today. Remember when

(02:17:08):
Time magazine published that article coronavirus could preview what will
happen when alien life reaches Earth? Do you recall that article?
You should go back and read it if you did
not see it before. What would happen if aliens reached Earth? Well,
coronavirus might give us a little bit of a hint

(02:17:32):
of what might happen if this does occur, and just
the idea of that. The article was about contamination from
other worlds and organisms and materials, but just the idea
of that Sarskov two was an invisible alien like thing.

(02:17:54):
Three I Atlas is very similar. You don't view it
through the microscopy technology. You view it through the macroscopic technology,
the telescopic technology. Sarskov two is microscopic. Three I Atlas
is macroscopic. But going even further than that, taking a

(02:18:15):
step beyond that, it's computer generated. Most of the images
are computer generated. Many of the images and the ideas
that you see are based on computer models and simulations.
We don't have like a paparazzi space probe following three

(02:18:37):
I at Lis taking pictures of it. I hope the
public understands that, because when I was a kid, I
used to think that's what was happening. Nobody bothered to
correct me. I assume a lot of folks still believe
that's the case today. I highly doubt this audience thinks that,
but I'm pretty sure that there's a considerable portion of
the population who believes that there's like a space probe

(02:18:59):
fallowing it taking pictures and NASA's covering it up, or
something like that you can't see it. I've given this
example before with things like weather, or things like extinction
or the Red list or endangered species. Do you know
how we determine if a species is endangered or possibly

(02:19:22):
extinct likely extinct. It's based on independent reporting from people
like you and I. Not all of it, but a
good portion of it is. That means if you don't
see something for a long time in a certain area
where people have seen it before, it must not exist anymore.

(02:19:42):
It must have gone extinct. The same thing is true
for hurricanes and floods and any other kind of natural
disaster or any kind of thing that might lead to
a natural disaster. We only see hurricanes getting worse because

(02:20:03):
we won we monitor them much closer. Two, because we
change the metrics and determine that this storm is stronger
based on wind speed or sustained wind speed. Observing practices
are what allows us to say these are more frequent,
and they're more severe, and most of the severity is

(02:20:26):
based on the economic consequences of what happens if that
hurricane makes landfall in a populated, wealthy area as opposed
to an unpopulated, poorer area. Same thing with extinction, the
same thing with weather. It's the same thing with three
I atlas. Going back to twenty seventeen, when a MOMO
was found identified, which strangely enough, it was about what

(02:20:53):
was it? It couldn't have been more than a month
and a half or roughly a month and a half
to two months before the Advance Aerospace Threat Identification Program
from the New York Times was exposed. The a TIP
program convenient the first interstellar object, and then all by
the way, there's tic TACs. Maybe we'll talk about that

(02:21:13):
in a little bit more detail later, but when Omomo
was found twenty seventeen, nobody had ever seen anything like it.
Before you heard the first interstellar object, it shouldn't need
to be said, but no, it's not the first interstellar object.
It's the first quote interstellar object that you've identified and
tracked and cataloged. And there is a huge difference between

(02:21:39):
the first interstellar object maybe we're supposed to assume that
we've ever seen, and the first interstellar object that we've
actually tracked and cataloged. There's a gigantic difference between those
two things. Because we have the technology, reportedly, we have
the know how, we have the observing skills to track

(02:22:03):
and define things like this, so that means we're going
to find a lot of them, probably because they've probably
always been there, we just never identified them. And now
that we have new technology, we're paying attention to new things.
We find new things. That does not mean they're alien spacecraft.

(02:22:26):
That does not mean there from another dimension or another planet.
It doesn't mean that they're space probes. Is that a
possibility because this is something we've never really witnessed before. Sure,
it's a possibility, but remember we're also basing that on
what we would do, and what we would do changes generationally.

(02:22:52):
We decide if we are going to send out a probe,
if we are going to seed life, if we are
going to monitor another planet, what do we do. We'll
send out some kind of probe, maybe like a Bracewell probe.
Maybe we'll disguise it so we won't risk contaminating the

(02:23:15):
development of another civilization, you know that star trek stuff.
But that's what we would do now. In ten years
we might do something different, just like with UFOs. What
was a UFO two thousand years ago, it was a shield,

(02:23:37):
it was a pillar, it was a chariot. What was
a UFO five hundred years ago? It was maybe a cannonball.
It was some kind of celestial a celestial event. What
was a UFO one hundred years ago, it was some

(02:24:00):
sort of weather phenomena, was some sort of maybe if
we're talking around the time of World War Two, it's
some kind of aircraft. What was a UFO at the
turn of the twenty first century or the turn of
the twentieth into the twenty first century, Well, it became

(02:24:22):
what we know. It became a spaceship, it became some
kind of craft from somewhere else. It really began to
develop into that sometime back in the sixties when we
went to the Moon quote unquote, because we invaded another world,
and now other worlds are going to invade us. So

(02:24:44):
it changes, and it'll change again in probably fifty years,
maybe one hundred years, two hundred years. It'll be something
we can't fathom, we can't imagine. I think the next
phase will be AI, will be computer technology, and that
will be the alien that will be the UFO. I'm

(02:25:05):
pretty firmly convinced that that is the case. That is
the transition that we're in the process of making presently.
That's important information to know that these identifiable objects, whatever
they are change based on the culture. They change based

(02:25:27):
on the development and the direction of civilization. One of
the most famous UFO cases in Japan is the utsuro bune,
which has been described away as being a bath container,
because that's what was used in Japan, and that's when

(02:25:48):
the fishermen saw it. That's how they described it. A
hollow boat, a sort of wooden contained that one would
take a bath in. That's what they saw, that's what
they understood, that's what they thought was more identifiable. Like
with Kenneth Arnold and flying saucers, he said that they
skipped as if they were like saucers skipping on something

(02:26:11):
like water. The news said, those are flying saucers, flying discs,
taking what he said and tweaking it a little bit,
and then people began seeing flying saucers or flying discs,
which was not necessarily what Kenneth Arnold saw. So there's

(02:26:32):
a psychological component to this. There's a psychological aspect to
this that needs to be addressed. What is the gray
alien if not the infantile self, a sort of primordial human,
a fittal human, a little person like a homunculus. What

(02:26:53):
is a little green person except the plant spirit, the
little green plant spirits that people in interact with on
things like ayahuasca. Little green men. What are the elves?
The elves are said to come from another place and
they come on very advanced technology to Earth. What does
that sound like? Fairies? Elves are said to ride mechanical

(02:27:18):
horses that move very quickly, usually gray or white horses,
you know, white light and gray flying saucers that move
really fast, Little tiny green fairies in little containers that
move quickly, whether they're eggs or horses or something that

(02:27:39):
is identifiable by the people who witness it. At the
time in which these things were witnessed, in Europe, they
had horses, and the horses move fast, and so the
horses were the only identifiable feature by which these things
could be observed, and the mythologies, whatever they're based on,
were the only mystical things that could be applied to
try to understand what exactly was being seen and to

(02:28:01):
try to define what it actually was that was being seen,
to describe it, not just say this is what it is,
but to describe what is it, how does it work,
or at least how do we think it works. We
had horses, so that's why the ferries rode horses, because
that's what we had at the time. There's reports going
back to the Roman Empire of flying saucers. They're not

(02:28:23):
called flying saucers though, they're called shields because that's what
people had. They were identified on the battlefield, and the
soldiers that saw them saw them as the things that
they were carrying, shields or pillars like great Roman or
Greek pillars, because that was iconic and that's what people knew.
It's not that they were stupid and said, oh, that's
a shield in the sky, that's a boat in the sky.

(02:28:45):
It was because that's what they thought it looked like.
And we think they look like spaceships. And this is
really it should be profound because it means that our
ancestors looked up and said, well, all we have are
horses and shields and chariots. That's what it looks like
to me. We don't know what it is though. Others
looked up and said, well, that looks like a cannonball.

(02:29:08):
Others looked up and said, well that looks like a spaceship.
It changes. The objects don't change. I mean, there are
different types of these objects, but they change based on
our perception of them. They morph and shape shift based
on our perceptions of them, and that influences directly and
indirectly the culture below the below part of that which

(02:29:31):
is above, And in a similar way, Omoa, MOA and
Boresov and Atlas play a very very similar, if not
identical role in shifting the conversation around intelligent life UFOs, UAPs,

(02:29:52):
alien probes, interdimensional aliens, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. It's weird that
when you read the news recently this last week about Atlas,
there's this strange kind of contradictory consensus. Let me explain

(02:30:16):
what I mean by that. Space dot com reported that
three I Atlas is growing a tail. Based on observations,
it is growing a tale. You can see the time
lapse video for whatever that's worth, and it does indicate
as of August twenty seventh, this is a team of

(02:30:37):
scientists using the Gemini South telescope in Chile that the
object is growing a tail. Now, on the other hand,
you have what are considered credible news sites or credible
media sites. There's a bunch of them. I picked the
article from the Economic Times that says three I Atlas

(02:31:01):
interstellar objects shows green glow anti tail doesn't have a tail.
And the peculiar thing about these two articles is the
space dot com article, where there's a video of it
growing a tale, was published September fifth. The Economic Times
article was published yesterday, which would have been what the

(02:31:22):
ninth year time in the United States. I'm overseas, but
in the United States of the ninth, so that's a
four day difference. And these quote journalists and the people
that write these articles didn't know that for almost a week,
they've had video of the thing growing to tail, which
is what auvii Lobe said it would do. Because they
said it was a comment, that doesn't mean it's not strange.

(02:31:45):
There's probably countless types of comments that we've never identified
the interstellar objects. We're just looking at this stuff for the
first time. So is it possible that it's alien? Sure
it is, and that's not me being sarcastic. It just
genuinely is potentially. Yes, we don't know what it is,
so it's potentially anything. But four days after they identify

(02:32:07):
the tale, a very clear tale, there's still reports that
it has no tail, So you don't know what to believe.
And this is where things get even more confusing because
initially it's like a fun story. Initially there's people that
speculate and there's some fun theories. Then things start to

(02:32:29):
spire a lot of control them. By the time you
get to the unveiling, people have segregated themselves in groups
and they're sure that their group has the answer. And
so if you say, well, you know, it's growing to tell,
that's just what they want you to think. Or it's
growing to tell. See it's definitely not a bracewell probe.

(02:32:54):
See it's growing to tell. Comments don't even exist. We
live on a flat Earth. And you're like, well, that's
not really the point. The point is the story is
changing officially, and as it changes officially, it starts to fracture,
and everybody's sure they've got the answers. And then let

(02:33:15):
me make a prediction for you on the show. This
is a sarcastic prediction. By Christmas time, you won't remember
three I Atlas. It'll be old news. By Christmas, you
might say to me, But Ryan, there won't be a

(02:33:36):
Christmas because the Aliens will arrive on Earth. I just
read a story actually from the New York Post. Some
Christian guy says that he got a dream. Jesus is
going to return this month or next month. Great, So
if Jesus returns, we don't really need to celebrate Christmas,
then probably we'll does argue about these things endlessly until

(02:34:00):
the money runs out, the money drives up, or until
the next interstellar object passes through. And that's kind of
what It's kind of an irritating thing. It kind of
irritates me just as a person, even if I didn't

(02:34:21):
have a radio show, because I watch these stories come
and go and come and go, and you're like, we
never had clarification, We never got a conclusive answer to
the last two interstellar objects. The idea is the theories
just solidified around, oh yeah it was alien, but you

(02:34:43):
have zero evidence to support that. And quite frankly, I
would suggest that you have zero evidence to support the
official conclusion of what scientists told us it was. You
really don't know because you you can't go interact with it.
You watch it through computer simulations and through some very

(02:35:06):
large telescopes that only a handful of people have access to,
and then you have to listen to their interpretations of that.
It is really interesting. A South African pastor claimed that
Jesus is going to return to Earth on September twenty third,

(02:35:29):
and although the comment or whatever it might be, doesn't
arrive until much later, there is a Messianic component to it.
And this is something we talked about on the Messianic
Triplicity Show, and it's something I talked about as a
guest last night on another broadcast. It is estimated, this

(02:35:56):
is not my estimation, but it is estimated that three
I Atlas will pass near the Earth or near the
Sun a close flyby sometime in October. And I've heard

(02:36:17):
different dates. The estimation I think is somewhere around the
end of October, so around Halloween. The closest approach to
the Sun should be on October thirtieth, which is essentially
the Halloween celebration. Now that is really interesting for a

(02:36:44):
variety of reasons, because if there is any Messianic quality
to three I Atlas, we'll look at the details of
this in a moment. But if there is any Messianic
quality to three I atlis, Halloween is a very interesting
time for it to arrive. This is where things get
kind of convoluted and confusing. We should probably recap the

(02:37:09):
Messianic triplicity, and this should help us to understand. That
was the first show I did on three I Atlas.
This should help us to understand the context of this
messianic spirit, to this messianic idea. Remember back in August,
this was last month. Back in August of this year,
twenty twenty five, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna went on Joe

(02:37:33):
Rogan and said that these whatever they are UAPs aliens,
they tend to move outside of time and space. She
referred to them as being evidenced of interdimensional beings. There's
evidence that she says that she's seen that they're interdimensional.

(02:37:53):
She then goes on to refer to the Bible and
the time of Christ, and she talks about the ancient
astronaut theory. In fact, she talks about it a lot
and references what Christians would argue as what is or
is not canon biblical texts such as the Book of Enoch.

(02:38:15):
And what she said reminded me of two different things.
It reminded me one of the July eighth, nineteen forty
seven memorandum six seven five one about Roswell about the
discs and this document, whether it's true or not true,
If it's not true. If it's not real, if it's
a fraudulent document, what is the purpose of releasing and

(02:38:38):
to classifying a fraudulent document that says these are discs,
they're quote under remote control, and their planet where they
come from, is not a planet like our planet. It
is a quote etheric planet which interpenetrates with our own
and is not perceptible to us. The document likens this
home world to the lacas and talis or locus talis,

(02:39:00):
which are the higher and lower spiritual planes, something that
came to a heaven and a hell. Probably why we
hear and we see a lot of talk about angels
and demons in relation to UFOs and UAPs. This seems
to align with what Luna on Joe Rogan had said.
But this has been public information since the forties. So

(02:39:22):
if I was in Congress and I wanted to talk
about UFOs, I could just reference the same document. She
wasn't doing that, but she could say I saw evidence
of this. I mean, I could say the same thing,
though I could say I saw evidence of this because
I read the nineteen forty seven memorandum. So we have
to be very careful what evidence is that. But It

(02:39:42):
also is reminiscent of what Michael Kratzios, the White How
Science Advisor, had said back in April of twenty twenty
five that the US has technology that can quote manipulate
time and space. This is very similar to what Anna
Paulina Luna was saying about these interdimensional beings being able
to move outside of quote time and space. And then

(02:40:04):
I looked at the twilight language of all of this,
and I thought it was really peculiar that the woman
telling us this is named Luna, as in the moon
in Latin, and the science Advisor's name is derived from Greek.
When I heard Crasios, I thought, Kratos cretos Greek for strength,
Greek for power, Greek for war. The enforcer Cratos is

(02:40:28):
the enforcer of Zeus. His sister is Bea Force, So
Zeus is the ultimate power. Cratos and Bea the brother
and sister are strength and force. Like the two pillars,
the Baconian Pillars or the Masonic pillars science and philosophy
beauty and strength. We have strength and force that in

(02:40:49):
force the authority of the chief God Zeus or a
Zeus or God in Jesus. For the Christian audience, and
the name Atlas has a similar meaning to this. The
name Atlas means strength. Atlas is a titan, a primordial
deity of natural forces. If you looked at the two

(02:41:11):
previous interstellar objects Omoa Moa and Borisov in their respective languages,
Oma Moa means messenger from Afar, arriving first, and Borisov
means fighter. These names, as they have been identified one
after another up to Atlas, we have a trinity here,

(02:41:34):
and we have names that imply the coming of a
messenger Omoa Moa and a fighter Borisov that has the
ability to change the order of life and introduce perhaps
a new way of thinking, or perhaps start a war.
We have to also remember that comets have always been

(02:41:55):
harbingers of death and destruction and disease. A come, it
typically heralds the death of a king of a queen,
the fall of an empire, the start of a war,
the winning of a war, the loss of a war,
and usually disease. And those things can of course be
affected by disease, the fall of an empire or the

(02:42:16):
fall of a king, etc. Diseases that are spread not
through microbes necessarily, but through chemicals. If a planet passes
through the tail of a comet, those chemicals are brought
into the atmosphere. People breathe them in, and this is
probably why you have an outbreak of diseases historically without
any modes of transport like trains or cars or airplanes,

(02:42:40):
but virtually the entire world is affected what we call
the flu which comes from influenza or influence of the stars,
commets being one of them. Commets are shaped like sperm.
They penetrate the egg of the planet, so you have panspermia.
Whether it is sent out by another civilisz or it's

(02:43:01):
a natural process. What a comet represents is a sperm,
and that is exactly what those old depictions of things
flying through the sky with little beans in them also
depict on a macrocosmic level. From the microcosmic perspective of
the sperm, you have the head, you have the tail,

(02:43:21):
and they fly through the air. That's the homunculus, the
little person in Greek, the homunculous, that's the alien. Just
like the little gray aliens look like us. They look
like small versions of us. Maybe it's us in the future, maybe,
or it's an unconscious projection of us. A subconscious projection
of us, a part of us externally like Aleister Crowley's

(02:43:45):
lamb that looks like a little gray alien, a little humanoid,
just without the hair, and some of the oriphysics that
we have, but very very similar. So we have a
harbinger of something. Comments have always been a harbinger of
death and disease and destruction, but also birth and new life.

(02:44:07):
Comments might ensure that a decision that a king or
an emperor, or a commander on the military battlefield has
made the right decision. Some astronomical event is a sign
from God. This is true in Asia, it's true in
the Middle East, it's true in the Americas, it's true

(02:44:27):
all over the world. Now, remember a vi Lobe had
posited that three I Atlas may herald the arrival of
a Messianic era. When I talk to my friend Clyde
Lewis of Ground zero, of which some of you, if
you're listening on ground zero plus, you know who that is.

(02:44:49):
But I have to say that anyway, because a lot
of people don't other listeners elsewhere. My good friend Clyde
Lewis of ground zero. He said, yeah, I gave a
VI Lobe that idea because they're friends. They talk a lot.
So Clyde has discussed this as well, and Clyde had
actually called me. I didn't get the phone call because
I was asleep because the time difference, but he called

(02:45:09):
me and then emailed me a few days ago and
said that Richard Hogland was also talking about the same idea.
Avi Lobe had posited that it might be a representation
of the Messianic era and that it might signal the
arrival of a messiah from quote another star. Well, this
is precisely what we get in the names of a Moa, Moa,

(02:45:30):
Borsov and Atlas, the coming messenger and the fighter that
has the ability to change the order of life and
introduce a new way of thinking. That's the Christ's consciousness
and the resurrection of the dead from the grave, that's
the rapture. Avi Lobe also believes there needs to be
an international organization to deal with possible peace or conflict
which accompanies contact with whatever this thing or whatever these

(02:45:55):
beings are, if they are and if they do come,
and he says he hopes that like President Reagan hoped,
these things will actually bring people together based on an
external threat. Now, notice that you have the very conservative
Ronald Reagan, and you have someone like Avi Loebe who's
much more liberal in his ideas, and they're both saying,

(02:46:17):
we hope this brings people together against an external threat.
If you're very right right wing, you're probably thinking, well,
that external threat is the fake alien invasion, and this
is something that just gets annoying. Honestly, it's this Bluebeam
thing that people keep saying, blue Beam, blue Beam, blue
Beam does not exist. It is not a government project
it is. It's not a real thing. It was a

(02:46:39):
proposal from a Canadian journalist. It was a theory. It's
not a real program or a real project. That doesn't
mean that you couldn't use the idea of an external
threat like with SARS Cove two, which was an internal
threat to reshape and reform society, because you clearly can,

(02:47:02):
and you can do so in a very short period
of time, and you can fool a lot of otherwise
what we would think are very smart people into following
along with the plan, and by the time they recognize
they've been duped, it's too late, and they don't want
to say, hey, I've been duped. Let's fight back against this,
because they're too deep they're in too deep, they're in

(02:47:22):
too far. And if they do say hey, I was wrong, it's,
you know, like the Governor of New York saying it
five years after the fact and after he's out of office,
kind of too late. So you can do this with
sarvs cove too. You can do this with something that
you likewise can't see, that's somewhere off in the distant

(02:47:48):
vastness of space that only the people with access to
the telescopes can can see and speculate on. Now, when
I was on quite Frankly TV last night, I know
I've mentioned this many times, but Frank really kind of
helped to inspire this show tonight. After I did the

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show with him. It was a really good interview. It
was a fun interview, and he asked the question, he said,
do you consider me? It was a rhetorical question, however
he asked it. He said, you you got to consider
the people saying this kind of stuff, what is their
religious motivation? And I said, that is a brilliant question.
It's a great question. You do have to consider religious motivations. Now,

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you have to consider them in a couple of different ways.
Number One, if you're listening to someone like myself. If
you're listening to somebody like Clyde, lewis on ground zero.
All of you probably know who listened to Clyde. He
grew up in the Mormon Church. He does have a
more Christian perspective. I don't want to speak for Clyde,
you know, I don't know exactly what his or my own,

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even for that matter, beliefs are about these things. But
Clyde's smart guy, and he knows theology, he knows prophecy,
he knows the Bible, he knows a lot, and people
like myself, I'm similar. I didn't grow up Mormon. I
grew up Baptist Christian. I reject the institutional Baptist practice
because I find it everywhere in the world the same concepts,

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especially of Baptism, and so in rejecting one institution, I
embrace all as being part of a legacy that is,
from a lost period of human history. That is, it's
clearly present in our religious texts and our megalithic structures,
the baptisms. I mean, you think about it. The pyramid
of Chulula is built on a sacred spring. The pyramid

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of Giza is built on a Sacred Spring and so
on and so forth. These are ritualistic purification sites. So
I embrace all of that. But I'm not a Christian.
And yet I can sit here and I can quote Prophecy,
I can read the Bible. I can also read the
Koran and the Bagavad Gita and find the common realities
between them all. For someone like Avi low, I don't
know if he's Orthodox or non Orthodox Jewish, but he's

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from Israel, and so we can assume that Avi Lob,
I don't know him personally, probably has a very whatever
the domination, is a very Jewish perspective on this subject.
And then you have to consider, well, what about someone
like Anna Paulina Luna. She's also Jewish, so she probably

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has a Jewish perspective. And it's particularly interesting that she
brought up ancient astronaut theory on Joe Rogan multiple times,
numerous times, because the man who invented that idea was
not a Christian. He was a Jewish guy. He came
from a Torah family, which is I would argue the

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good part of Judaism, but he came from a Torrah
family and they reject Christ. And so if the guy
that into ancient Aliens. He was a Russian born mathematician,
mattist m I think his middle name was Mendel Mendelovich,
I think I don't know how to pronounce it Mendelovich.

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But Matts or mentes Agrist he was also Jewish. So
that means that there's definitely a Jewish prophecy idea embedded
in things like comments and things like three I Atlas,
whether you're talking about Lobe or Luna, or you're talking
about mattist Agrist or in the UFO hearing this week,

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one of the people asking important questions, or at least
they're supposed to be important questions, was a member another
Member of Congress from Florida named Moskowitz. He's also Jewish.
So if these are the people that are overseeing a
lot of the UFO investigation or giving us information on
UFOs UAPs, interstillar objects, yes, what is the religious motivation,

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especially considering that if there are more than a handful
of people who see three I Atlas and other similar
objects as a harbinger of change, Ama mo Aborisov and
Atlas as being the messengers and the fighters that come

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to change the order and introduce a new way of thinking. Well,
that is the Messiah, that is the spirit and the energy,
the transition and the change, the rapture and the ascension process.
That is a new way of thinking. That is Christ's
consciousness arriving or returning, and all of this is taking

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place above and around and beyond us. While there is
a discussion on the red Heifer sacrifice, this has been
a few years in the making. Some believe they've already
performed the ritual, which for those of you who are
not knowledgeable about this, and even for those of you
who are knowledgeable about this, just as a refresher, in

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order to build the Third Temple, or to rebuild the
Holy Temple, the red heifer must be sacrificed and the
ashes used to consecrate and purify the priests to build
the temple. Some ultra Orthodox Jews believe that's wrong, and
that divine intervention should be the author of ritual instead
of human initiative, which kind of brings us to the

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conspiratorial problem, and that is, if you are nudging God,
then what good is the prophecy if you're trying to
force it to happen. So, if you consider all of
that and then you have to consider the fact that
there are some that have pointed out that maybe through

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a Atlas is not so elongated, maybe it's a cube
like shape. And this has sort of a sort of
a revelatory feel to it. It sounds like a New
Jerusalem and Revelation, which is a cube. However, as most
of you probably know because you've listened to this show before,
but for those of you who don't know, the New

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Jerusalem that's discussed in the Bible is discussed as a
spiritual place. It's not a physical place. It's not a
geographical location. The New Jerusalem is built on the foundation
of Christ. It's built on the foundation of the apostles

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and prophets. It's a holy city that comes down from
Heaven prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband's ays.
Revelation twenty one two. It's not a geographical location. It's
not an actual city. There aren't streets and sewage systems
and apartment buildings. It's a symbol of transformation. The human

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body is often depicted as being chained to a cube
in esoterica and in the mysteries and in occult traditions,
because the cube is a representation of the three dimensional world,
and it is inhabited by humans and their bodies are
also sometimes represented as cubes because they are rigid, and

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because those bodies are three dimensional, and they are not
who we are. We are soul in spirit. And when
you recognize this, you are born again. You are resurrected
out of the coffin, the sarcophagus, the tomb, the temple,
the womb of the earth, of the pyramid, of the
cave of the body, and then you become like a

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child of God. Once you recognize that, that's who you
truly are, which also is what the word Israel actually means.
It means everybody who strives with God, which is every
human being on planet Earth. And if you look at
the word Jerusalem in Hebrew, the word in Hebrew means

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foundation of peace, and that cornerstone is Jesus Christ. So
Jesus Christ and Jerusalem are the cornerstones and the foundations
of peace, and the prophets and the apostles or the
walls and the stones that help to build those walls.
The city is shining with the light of the sun,

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the heavenly city. So that is both a if you
want to say it's a physical place, it is the cosmos.
If you want to say it's a symbolic place, it
is the body. It is the transformation of consciousness in
the body. Like those little tiny humans the homunculus inside
of those what look like comets or sperm cells moving

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through the sky in the old medieval art. This is
happening inside of us. We are transformed. The body is
the vessel for this all chemical transformation. It is the
horse dung. And then in the vessel this little thing
grows and we escape from the horse dung. We resurrect
out of the cave or the womb or the temple

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or the body, or whatever it might be, and then
we meet with God. And this is a universal concept
that is found in virtually every part of the world.
It is not exclusive to Christianity. And why we have
to continue to argue about that is really beyond me,
and I don't really have time to continue to argue
about how it's not a singular concept that belongs to Christianity.

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It's not. It just is not. It's not. It's not.
And so this new Cube is metaphoric, this New Jerusalem
is metaphoric. It's not even necessarily a cube. It's just
interpreted as a cube from the dimensions given in revelation,
which I believe Revelation is a byproduct of some sort
of trans inducing, hallucinatory substance. I think a lot more

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people are beginning to think that that's possible now that
John wrote Revelation, or whoever wrote it, was on some
type of psychedelic substance. And if you think about it,
look at the Greeks and their use of poppy. Look
at the Greeks and their use of ergot off of
crops like wheat. Look at the use of blue water

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lily in Africa, the use of peyote in the Americas,
the use of ayahuasca or special tobacco. Look at how
those things transform the individual. Allow for the medicine person,
the medicine man, the medicine woman, to transcend time and

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space and to acquire the knowledge of plants, the knowledge
of technology. Even what does some people see on DMT
than the colors and the grid patterns and all of that.
They tend to see entities, and a lot of people
see what are famously known as the machine elves, those
technologically advanced little people that come from somewhere else kind

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of like the locus of the talus of that document
that the US military, if it's a real document, if
it's not a real document, it was a declassified document
back from the nineteen forties, nineteen forty seven July eighth,
to be exact. And so whatever is being seen in
that other realm, whatever we are interacting with, it gives

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us the ability to obtain knowledge that we otherwise would
not have. It's probably what gave the people of the
Amazon the knowledge to develop terra preta, the black soil
that turns an infertile jungle floor into a eight thousand

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plus year old fertile file landscape that over eight thousand
years later, can still be used. That you can put
on to infertile soil anywhere in the world and it
will fertilize it with the snap of a finger. That's
very advanced ancient technology. And considering the complexity and the

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diversity of plants in the Amazon, and the fact that ayahuasca,
this shrub and this vine mixing them together to inhibit
the destruction of D and T and the gut, it
indicates a very very sophisticated form of science. And the
local peoples they report that The reason that they have

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this knowledge is not because of trial and error, which
we would say is the scientific process. It's because the
plant spirits gave them this knowledge, which I guess first
was the chicken, first was the egg. We don't really know,
but this is the idea, and this ties into the
Ufo subject. It ties into the Atlas subject because what
happens in those alters states of consciousness, as most of

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you probably know, you as a shaman, are dismembered. You
are pierced by spears or projectiles. You look like Jesus
on the cross, or Odin on the Cross, or Indra
in the box or Osiris in the sarcophagus. You have
your side pierced like Prometheus on the rock. You are

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essentially punished, but the punishment is only so that you
can be put back together again. You are dismembered to
be reassembled. This is the same story that is told
of Inana and Ishtar. It's the same story that's told

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of Osiris and Isis. It's the same story told in
every part of the world in one form, one fashion,
one way or another, that as you move through the
seven planetary sphere, you have the parts of your body
your legs, your arms, your head. Usually it's described as
like the breast, the crown, or ornaments like your chest

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plate or your crown or your necklace and your pants
and things like this, that they're justmembered, that they're taking apart,
they're purified, and they're put back together and sent back.
That's the shamanic experience. That's the story of the descent
into the underworld or into the afterlife. It's a universal concept.

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It's found in Japan too, in the story of is
Anami and is Anagi nomikoto sound everywhere Japan, Greece, Africa,
the Americas, you name it, sound everywhere, And in that
process you go through the suffering, the crucifixion, the stabbing,
and then the resurrection. The shaman story is the Jesus story.

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It's told over and over and over again in different forms,
a different context, but the general underlying theme is the same.
So in a lot of ways, we're looking in the
wrong place for aliens. It's not three I Atlas, that's
the alien spaceship. It's the little huts, it's the little caves.
It's the little ritualistic sites that they call them hevas.

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In the American southwest. It's the temples. It's the pyramids.
That's the place in which you go to contact the
other side, to contact the spirits, to contact aliens, et cetera.
And so when is through I Atlas supposed to come.
It's supposed to come near the sun closest on October thirtieth.

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And what is October thirtieth. It's the procession of spirits.
It's when the valis thin between the worlds, and it's
when the spirits from this world, people who have died
can easily transition over into the spiritual realm, and vice versa.
When the spirits from the other side, some might be malicious,
some might be levolent, some might just be playful and mischievous,

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and they come over on to our plane of existence.
And so we wear costumes to frighten the evil ones.
We put out food to appease them. That's the treat,
so they don't trick us and vandalize our home or
harm our family. We also wear costumes and put out
food to welcome the benevolent spirits, to welcome family members.
So we attract them and say we respect you. I

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put on nice clothes, I gave you some food I
left nice food out for you to enjoy, to honor
your ancestors. The realms are closely connected during that time
of the year. This is a great time for spirit communications,
a great time for divination. It's a great time to

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contact God, to pray, to meditate because those doorways are open,
especially during the Witching Hour around October twenty nine to
thirty thirty first, et cetera, somewhere around there, roughly traditionally
the three day festival to contact the other world, to
contact the other side, and to help this side transition

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to the other side. And that is a veil. That's
how it's described a veil that is lifted in Greek.
The lifting of the veil is the apocalypse. You've heard
me say this before, most likely, But the apocalypse as
a lifting of the veil is not something that applies
to an armageddon end of the world Jesus returns scenario.

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It's connected to the changing of the seasons. It's connected
to the four horses of the apocalypse. This time of
the year, the fall, and the time in which three
i Atlas is supposed to pass by the Sun very
close to Earth is how looween, the time of the

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wondering spear. It's the time in which the veil is
lifted and we can see the new Jerusalem. We can
see the Messiah returning to Earth through the clouds. This
sparks war, This sparks transition. This could spark the sacrifice
of the Red Heifer and the next Crusade, the next

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war of a religious variety, the next Holy War. It
could spark total transformation. As a symbol and a sign
in the sky, Messiah has returned or Messiah has arrived.
For the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims believe that
Jesus returns, and he comes for the Muslims with Madi.

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For the Christians, it's just Jesus, and they fight against
the Antichrist, which is the Antichrist or alde Ajol, which
is also a composite character in both religions, and it's
not a singular energy or spirit. But I would describe
it and define it more so as an antichrist consciousness,
just like Christ is a consciousness. Antichrist consciousness would be

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the opposite of Christ consciousness. And remember the man, the individual,
the spirit, the energy, the leader, or the misleader that
stands in that third Temple is the Antichrist, which I
know that Christians want that because there's their prophecy. But

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all of this is enlightening, it's positive, but it's also
potentially devastating and negative because if you try to create
a war, you try to create the conditions of armageddon,
You're going to be really disappointed when Jesus doesn't return
to save you in the literal physical way that we

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assume that is going to happen. And the same thing
with the Muslims. When the Jesus doesn't come back with
Madi and saves us from the evil Muslims are going
to be real disappointed. And this will be a long
transitional process to rode the faith and the beliefs of
people in order to establish the temple in order to
install the Antichrist on that temple throne. That's at least

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one interpretation of this. But this time of the year,
this lifting of the veil, this is when the black
horse rides. The black horse holds the scales and judges us.
The Messiah will also come to judge us. Correct we
will be judged. All the dead will be lifted up

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out of their graves. That means people that are spiritually dead,
not physical graves that are opening up in zombies or
coming out of it. But the dead will be judged.
The dead are those who have not accepted Christ. The dead,
or those who have not accepted the teachings the debt,
or those who have chosen to stay in a carnile

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state and to reject the spiritual essence of what it
means to be human. And you need to consider, especially
if you're a Christian, that this means you can be
a Christian and still be dead, despite you telling yourself
that you're resurrected because some pastor dun to you under
some water in church. In the same way that you

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can find people that practice Buddhism in some jungle in
Southeast Asia and they are more christ Like than some Christians,
that this is not an exclusivity to Christianity. In the
same way the Christians say we perfected Judaism. We don't
need blood rituals anymore, we have water rituals. We have

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Jesus that gave the ultimate sacrifice. We don't have to
kill animals anymore. The Muslims came along and said We've
perfected Christianity, and yet they all seem to be based
on the exact same ideas and concepts that you can
also find in Buddhism and all other parts of the world.

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There's a common lineage here to all.

Speaker 19 (03:09:57):
Of this stuff.

Speaker 11 (03:10:00):
If you look up in the sky and you can
see Atlas, that's a sign of all sorts of things.
It's a sign of the fall of empires. It's a
sign of the starting of a war or the ending
of a war. It's a spiritual war, it's a physical war.
It could be the start of armageddon. It could be
the end of armageddon. It could be the end of
the apocalypse, because the apocalypse is only a temporarily great unveiling,

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and then the veil is after it's lifted, it's let
back down. The black horse judges us in the end times,
the end times of the celindrical year. The white horse
is chlorose, as in chlorophyll. We know the end times
are approaching because the winter starts to set in. It
becomes colder, it becomes darker. We see death. The shrubs

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and the trees and the grass, the trees that survive,
the evergreen trees, they become symbols of the essence and
the power of Diana, of the Goddess of Earth, of
the spirit, so we bring them inside and we light
candles or we have lights, and those all represent the

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warmth and the light that warms the cold and illuminates
the darkness of winter. And the white horse that follows
the pale horse, which is pale because the leaves don't
have as much sunlight or chlorophyll, so they start to
change colors, and we know that's a sign of the
end times. The white horse that follows begins the slow

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trek up the mountain to conquer the darkness and the
cold of winter. And then the red horse goes into
full war mode against the cold and the darkness, eventually
winning and becoming victorious on the summer solstice, and then
begins to lose power and fully die on the winter solstice.

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The day after the winter solstice, that's when the transition
takes place to the building of the new King, the
Holly King Oak King in Wiccanism, but in Christianity we'd
call this the birth of Jesus and the Resurrection of Christ.
At the end of the story, the thirty three vertebrate
the thirty three years of Christ relate to the Kundalini

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spirit of the Kundalini energy coming out of India. That's
largely where we get this idea from. That goes up
the spine up to the head, and that is the
crown chakra, that is the crown in which we connect
with God, with the pineal gland and other glands in
the head also known as Adam and Eve and the
esoteric bodily tradition that is also Golgatha, the skull where

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Christ is crucified between the two thieves, which are the
hemispheres of the brain. And the middle path is that
of Buddha, Krishna, Jesus and so many others. The middle
path is where the Hindus place the bindi dot. The
middle path is actually I learned this learning kanji over
here in Japan to put your finger in the middle
of your head as an identification for im. That's how

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they teach you one of the kanji. The finger in
the center of the head represents Im. That's in Japan.
The bindi dot, the middle path, the temple that is
the head where Jesus begins teaching. It's all a metaphor.
It's highly symbolic. The New Jerusalem is a is a

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state of mind it's a spiritual transition. Now, to take
it a step further, you have other UFO UAP celebrities
like Corbel saying that the public is going to be
lied to about a craft that's on its way to Earth.

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And say what you want about Corbel, trust me, I've
said a lot. He brings up an interesting point because
if there is an active plan to lie to the
public about a craft coming to Earth, whatever that is
supposed to mean, it sparks an interesting conversation because it

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means that, well, perhaps there is an actual conspiracy to
convince the public that things in the sky are alien
or some kind of artificial construct when they actually aren't,
and to use that to build the quote new World
Order or to build the global government to bring the

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world together, like Ronald Reagan wanted to do with the
UFO question. The UFO subject, I don't have an opinion
on that. It's just an interesting little detail. So we
don't forget anything for tonight's show. We need to make
as much as we can mention. But that's an important
little detail that needs to be brought up and needs

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to be considered because Corbel did say that earlier on
that they're going to tell you there's a craft coming
to earth and that it's going to be a lie,
which has this like resonance with Carol Rosen. We need
to build space based weapons, but it's all based on
a lie. Maybe Corbel was channeling his inner von Braun

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when he said that, his inner Carol Rosen when.

Speaker 20 (03:15:28):
He said that.

Speaker 11 (03:15:30):
But you see, you get all these different interpretations, and
what does it mean. What does the Messiah mean? Furthermore,
the anointed one or the Messa of the oil from
the fat of the crocodile of the Nile River, that
the Egyptian pharaohs would be anointed in the Messiah just
means the anointed. Everybody's anointed if you choose to be resurrected,

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a child of God, if you choose to be a
son of God, if you choose to be a daughter
of God, if you choose to be everybody's a Messiah.
And what is a Christ. Well, a Christ is a title.
A Christ is on a name. You see Jesus Christ.
This is a title. Messiah is a title. This is
important to know. This is important to understand that Christ

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is an expression of something that is not literal. The
Christ is the anointing, which in Hebrew it is the
Masiah or the Messiah, the Messiah Messiah that is Christ.
Remember that the Jews reject Christ, and I actually agree

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with the Jews on this. I don't believe, at least
the non Messianic Jews. I don't believe Jesus was the
son of God. I think that's blasphemous, an absurd, and
a total perversion of all the ancient mystery traditions which
came long before Christianity. It's the same story. There's actually
stories in the Amazon Forest native groups that believe that

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God sent their only child to this tribe to teach them.
It's the same story over and over again. But the
point is what is a Messiah and what is a Christ?
I don't know if you saw this a few weeks ago,
there was a very large meteor that lit up the
sky in southwestern Japan, and just thinking from the perspective

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of a non Christian part of the world, what does
this mean to countries that are not Christian, that are
not Muslim, that are not Jewish, that are not influenced
by this eschatology? What does that mean to China? What

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does that mean to a lot of Asian countries that
are Buddhist. I don't think it means anything. It's just
a comment. And to me, that is a really simple,
boring stale for a lot of people think to think about.
But you need to consider this, what does that mean

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to people that just don't care?

Speaker 5 (03:18:17):
Now?

Speaker 11 (03:18:17):
I understand that if you are really religious, you'll probably say, well,
that means they're gonna get swallowed up in the pits
of hell. If you don't care, well, I think on
the contrary, it might be you that gets swallowed up
in the pits of hell when you're all concerned and
worre in fighting with people over the meaning of these symbols.
And there are some people in the world that just
don't care, not because they're atheists, not because they're anarchists

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and Satanist, but just because they don't believe the same
thing you believe. If you see a meteor streak across
the sky and light up, that's usually a sign of something.
It's usually a sign that, hey, you should pay attention
to what's going on above. It's usually a sign from
God you need to pay attention. Maybe it's a sign

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that you should do a little investigation in the area
where this media went down. Maybe something happened there. It
could be a sign of anything. But if you don't
have the Abrahamic escatology as an operating system to observe
these things through, then it's nothing but a natural phenomenon.

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And I think that is just cool. I think it's
cool to know that the whole world doesn't believe in
this eschatology. The whole world doesn't buy the various interpretations,
the translations, the mistranslations, the interpretations of all those translations

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and mistranslations, the opinions that are promoted as prophecy, etc.
That are all kind of grouped together in a singular
eschatological narrative that even within Christianity, within Judaism, within Islam,
are viewed in totally different ways by totally different people.
None of it's none of it's like exactly the same.

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You don't have to believe me, you know, just do
a little bit of research yourself. Ask other denominations of
your religion, what do you believe? How many Jews or
Messianic Jews that don't reject Jesus, how many Christians are
there that accept Islam? How many Muslims are there that
accept Christianity almost all of them, and it's not even

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a close comparison. But how many people do things that
are unorthodox to your orthodoxy?

Speaker 16 (03:20:45):
You know?

Speaker 11 (03:20:46):
How would the Buddhists, this is what I ask myself,
How would the Buddhists view something like this? How would
the Buddhists view a meteor streaking across the sky a mediorite?
I think it's a meteoroid if lands or if they
find evidence of it. I forget, what's the definition of
That's like a meteor if it stricts across the sky,
a meteorite if it lights up the sky, and a

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meteoroid if it actually makes landfall. But like, what do
the Buddhists traditionally, at least Buddhists societies, what do they
see a comet as representing? That's a big part of
the world's population. It's a celestial phenomena, no doubt about that.

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It's part of Samsara, which is the cyclical nature of
the universe. And depending on the tradition, whether you're in
Tibet or it depends on where you are, a comtist
seen as a reminder of the impermanence of life, which
I think is really interesting because what Buddhists see a

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comet as, and we think Buddhism from a Western perspective
is like this hippie, dippy spiritual you worship a golden idol.
Actually it's a representation of pure consciousness, and you take
your shoes up before you go into the House of God.
Unlike most churches. Not saying one's better than the other,
I'm not a Buddhist. I'm just saying that you can
make these interpretations and you can battle it out and

(03:22:17):
who's got the best. And it's not about having the best,
it's about you get to the same place either way.
But it's interesting because the Buddhists see comets in a
really scientific way, and Buddhists typically reject everything material for
the most part, at least all of the unnecessary material pleasures.

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So in a lot of ways, Buddhism is like the
antithesis of modern reductionary science. And yet Buddhists can't say
I speak for all of them. But Buddhists tend to
see a comet as a reminder of the impermanence of life.

(03:23:00):
Life because what does a comet typically do. It leads
to disease and death, it leads to the fall of empires.
If the Younger Drives impact theory is correct and the
shotgun blast of comet debris that struck the planet actually
happened and led to cataclysmic events and fires and floods,

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If that really did happen, then I think the Buddhists
are looking up at the sky and being very realistic
and very scientific about what it means and what it means.
If something like the Younger Drys impact theory is correct,
is that a comet is a harbinger of both life
and death, and it could be a planet killer that

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destroys everything on the planet. And to the Buddhists, that's
just okay. Life is given, life is taken. We should
try to do less harm. We should try not to
harm animals and plants in the world around us. We
should do less harm. We should live within the context

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of this world. And when it is time to die,
it's time to die. And honestly, I think that is
like way more consciously sophisticated in christ Like consciousness and
advanced than looking up at the sky and thinking this
object signals armageddon. Let's get ready to go to war

(03:24:25):
and fight those evil Muslims and Christians. I think Buddhism
is far more advanced than Western Abrahamic religions are just
based on this idea alone. Of course, in China and India,
Buddhism as a religion sees comments as harbingers of change

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in the same ways that Western societies and religion see comments.
They are indicators of the change of leadership, the change
of societal direction. In the could be war, it could
be also a sign of the external external changes was
internal changes, so like that transition to what we call

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christ consciousness. But seriously, if you think about it, I
mean I am I will admit I am making a
judgment here. This is not me being objective. This is
me being very subjective, although I honestly think it is
based on an objective analysis of religious interpretations of such things.
But just I'll admit that I'm being subjective about this.

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I think that Buddhism, Buddhist cultures see something like a
comet and see something like what we would interpret as
prophecy in a far more sophisticated and I would say
even educated kind of rational way that otherwise, you know,
science would kind of the mainstream scientific consensus of the
Western world and even part of the Eastern world would

(03:25:53):
reject such a notion all the things in Buddhism. But
Buddhists are like, yes, this is just the nature of reality.
Comments come, they bring life, comments come, they destroy the planet.
Shouldn't really try to hide from it. We should just
accept what it is. That's God's plan. I think it's
funny because it means Buddhists basically accept God's plan more

(03:26:17):
than the Abrahamic faiths do, rather than trying to nudge
God start war, force temples to be rebuilt, interpret things literally.
The boothsts are just like, Yeah, if I die, that's
what was going to happen. That's the will of God.
That's what's going to happen. And if I'm going to survive,
I'm going to survive. And that's not you know, a

(03:26:39):
lot of people interpret that, especially in the hippie communities,
which trust me, I was in because I'm a hippie
in a lot of ways, especially compared to conservatives. I'm
a hippie in a lot of ways, and hippies tend
to have this idea Western kind of hippies have this
idea of like the idea of like turn the other cheek,
or the idea of I'm just going to die, so
what does it matter? That becomes like this eightheistic thing

(03:27:01):
doesn't really matter. I'm warm food, I guess I'll just
slit my wrists now and whatever. But that's not what
it's supposed to mean. In the same way that you're
not supposed to give up like eating food, because you're
you're spiritual, you're not supposed to just like well Buddhis said,
give up all your early possessions. So like I guess
I don't need clothes. I'm just going to go lay
out in the dirt until I die. This is a

(03:27:22):
very literalist interpretation of complex, sophisticated spiritual concepts that frankly,
people who think that are clearly not ready to receive
and clearly will pollute and pervert and poison and make
into dangerous subcultures and cults that develop into movements societally

(03:27:53):
and culturally where people commit self harm because what does
it even matter? And you can find that in Christianity too,
like the rigid interpretation of God's in control like those well,
with those if you ever lived in Florida, I know
we have a lot of listeners in Florida, remember when
they used to have those signs on the I for.
You can probably still find them online. There's pictures of them.

(03:28:16):
I would say things like, let Jesus take the wheel.
My co host used to drive on the eye for.
Mike d used to drive on the Eye for to
come down to the studio to do the show. And
one time he was late. And I don't know if
Mike remembers this, but I remember Mike saying this to me.
He said, I'm sorry, I'm late. He said, I took
my hand off the wind and let Jesus drive. And
Jesus drove me into a ditch, so I had to

(03:28:38):
get out of the ditch and I drove the rest
of the way myself because Jesus didn't want to help me.
But just it's that kind of thing, like I don't
need medicine because Jesus is going to heal me. But
maybe Jesus put the medicine here to heal you. Isn't
this his creation? And you could find that same interpretation
of like, well, the world's meaningless and pointless. Why do
I even have to try? Why do I have to
wear clothes? Because it's just it's all points us. These

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are like really idiotic interpretations of very sophisticated, complex spiritual concepts.
And so the point is Buddhists see comments in the
same way that Western civilization sees comments in Western religiency. Comments,
but Buddhists in particular see it as part of the

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cosmic framework, and therefore they see it in a very
scientific way and say, well, look, if it's going to
cause devastation, bring new life, okay on both accounts, because
that's the natural order of things, and we should not
try to run from it. We should not try to
escape it. We should not certainly do those things and

(03:29:42):
lie to the public about it. We should just accept
what's going to happen. And that's maybe hard to do,
but that's kind of the whole point of Buddhism. You're
supposed to let go of your attachments to the world,
and if you don't wake up in the morning, that's okay.
It's not something to stress yourself out and make yourself
sick over. It's not something to start wars over. I

(03:30:03):
want to have a war with Russia and China, and
I want the United States to back Israel so that
we can create an armageddon war and we can kill
millions of people with hell fire and weapons of mass destruction,
because then maybe Jesus will decide it's time to come
down off his cloud. Like that's totally objectively completely crazy

(03:30:26):
and psychotic, homicidal, suicidal, murderous, insane, absurd, and so many
other words I don't have in my vocabulary. To just
accept the way that things are and to say, well,
it just is what it is. Then that, to me
is a much more godly approach to the world to

(03:30:48):
just accept it, to just deal with it as it is,
to not be worried. Is it a comet that's going
to destroy us? Is it an alien spaceship? Yeah, those
things are fun to think about, but it's a lot
more rational to just sit back and say, like I've
said earlier on the show, it doesn't really matter if
it's an alien spaceship or it's not. The chances of

(03:31:10):
it being anything except another news story that will pass
and will be forgotten before we reach Christmas time. It'll
probably be forgotten before you're done trick or treating, and
then we'll move on to the next grift, the next scam,
the next con, the next fraud that will consume all
the social media and all the mainstream media until the

(03:31:33):
next fraud comes. And by by fraud, I just mean
like taking something that nobody knows anything about for the
most part, we just have speculations and stories, and then
turning it into like this is a confirmed thing we
know for sure, which you don't, which, ironically, the people
that are saying that are quoting Avi Lobe out of
context and then saying he is saying that it's this

(03:31:57):
big thing when his paper did not say that, even
though he's promoted these ideas, that's not what his paper said.
They said it was a comet, and that is likely
what that object is. It is a pedagogical exercise, which
means it is an exercise in thought, and that, ironically
is the scientific process that is mirrored by Buddhism. Buddhism

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is a scientific process. Live with the natural world, observe it,
live with it, deal with the consequences of action, to
deal with the consequences of the changing of nature and
the cycles of the cosmos. Comets are part of that.
Asteroids are part of that, Solar events are part of that.
Disease is part of that, destruction is part of that.

(03:32:46):
Building something up from the ground is part of that.
Everything is part of that. I mean everything is important, right.
Think about the food we eat. We have a nice meal, great.
Do we think about the chef. Do we think about
the transport of how that food got to the restaurant
or to the store for our home. Do we think
about the workers that place it on the shelf to
be bought? Do we think about the workers that picked it?

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Do we think about the farmers who planted it? Do
we think about the equipment that was manufactured to allow
the farmers to plant it and to harvest it. Do
we think about what those people have to go through
to develop that technology to make it a lot more
efficient and easy. No, but this is all part of
the process, and we should understand that things are not
so simplified, and we should not be advocating for religious

(03:33:29):
prophecies to come true. If you're interpreting them as global
cataclysmic events in the hopes that some guy in a
robe is going to come down and save you from
the global cataclysmic events. Believe me, I grew up in
that world. I grew up under the impression I was

(03:33:51):
told this God will put his hand over the country
of Israel, and as the nuclear bombs fall from Russian
andes planes, it's gonna blow up and God's gonna protect
the Israelis from the radiation. Like this is the kind
of crazy, whacked out, psychotic disconnected from reality, the delusional

(03:34:14):
psychosis that programmed me as a child in both Christian entertainment,
in church Sunday School, they tell you stuff like that.
In Sunday School, they just like, Yeah, Israel's going to
be protected by God, and like we're waiting for the
bombs to throw up. Bill Hicks was so smart. Bill
Hicks was such a great comedian when he sat there

(03:34:34):
and explained He's like what he said about armaged and
he said, you got these Christians with their finger on
the button and they've got like their eyes crossed looking
into the sky. Tell me when to press the button. Lord,
let's kill everybody for Jesus. It's like, it's totally psychotic.
He's that's such a great bits. It's totally true. I mean,

(03:34:54):
think about this. If if three i Atlas is a
representation of the new Jerusalem, if three Atlas is a
representation of the coming Messiah, you understand that the building
of the temple implies the coming of the Antichrist. Right

(03:35:18):
for Avi Lobe, and for Luna, and for mattis Agrist,
and for this other member of Congress, I believe his
name is Moskowitz. For these folks, assuming we can, we

(03:35:39):
can take their beliefs to be whatever the main line
Judaic interpretation of prophecy is. They don't believe the same
thing the Christians do. So if you're advocating for this
like Armageddon, battle with Russia, China, Israel, Gog and Magog,
you're advocating for the death of millions of people. You're

(03:36:02):
advocating for the total destruction of civilization. You're advocating for
the deterioration of all life on planet Earth, like not
just the war itself, but what will come after the war,
whether they're nuclear, chemical weapons, whatever. You're advocating for a
global government so Jesus can save you from it. You're

(03:36:25):
advocating for, well, if you watch Left Behind cutting people's
heads off because they, I guess, decided to believe in
Jesus one day, you're advocating for like horror, You're advocating
for scenes that are demonic and wicked, that sound like
something you'd experience in hell because you'll not have to

(03:36:50):
be subject to that. You'll get to leave before that happens.
And that's like really wicked, and that I don't think
in any way, shape or form. Could you even all
that Christian? I mean, Jesus forgives people. That's not forgiveness.
That's like, let's burn the world because well, there's a
verse in Genesis about how I'm supposed to protect this country.

(03:37:13):
And also there's that thing in the Bible about some
dragon and that sounds really scary. But I don't have
to deal with any of that because I'm going to
be taken away while everybody else gets to burn. Did
you ever see the movie? Don't look up? And at
the very end, the tech guy sitting there with the
president and her son, they you know, they have this

(03:37:34):
this plan that if they can't, first of all, they
sabotage the mission to divert the comet, and then the
last minute before the comet is close enough to hit
the earth, they have this mission to like break into
pieces and bring it down to Earth so they can
take all the material. And it's like trillions of dollars.

(03:37:55):
It'll create jobs, and it's like an anti capitalist thing,
you know, which is stupid because Hollywood is capitalist and
it's a whole nother subject. But you watch that movie,
you know, there's that scene at the end where you like,
you know what's going to happen. The mission fails and
the guy's like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom here
real quick. And I've never seen it before until you know,

(03:38:16):
they're watching it for the first time, and I'm thinking
he's going to the spaceship. They got a backup plan.
And then the president leaves her own son there on Earth,
just leaves and goes to the ship and just flies away.
And that's kind of how the Christian escatology, for that matter,
of the Muslim escatology, it's like, well, we get to
go in the spaceship. You get to burn unless you
want to agree with us, and then you can come

(03:38:37):
in the spaceship too, but otherwise you get to burn
and suffer. And it's just like really crazy, really crazy.
You can't tell me that is spiritual. You can't tell
me that that is like sophisticated conscious evolution. That's like barbaric,
that's like unevolved, that's like evil and wicked man. That

(03:38:59):
is like demonic that is like satanic, that is like hellish.
You want to create the hellish conditions of these, like
medieval paintings of Hell, which are also misinterpretations because Hell
is an ice palace. But you want, like to turn
the earth into a fireball because well, we get to
go in the ship and you don't, which is also

(03:39:20):
not a Christian or Muslim concept. It's also it's you
know Ragnarok probably well that was a Marvel movie. Now
it was a mythology before it was a movie. But okay,
but Ragnarok, the end of the world, like, these are
things that are again universal. You got the hope, you know,
the third fourth worlds destroyed by different elements. You have

(03:39:40):
the same thing in every part of the world. So
I think that if we interpret it from another point
of view. The whole point of this segment was to
say that what about other cultures and societies? What do
they see comments? As sure, they see them as positive

(03:40:01):
or negative ships in society, rulers change, et cetera. I mean,
it's kind of funny. Actually, there was just a comet
in South was a Southwest Japan just a few weeks ago.
It's colossal fireball one of the biggest in years, and
I was caught on surveillance cams, etc. In Kshu, I
believe I think that it was this southwest of Osaka.

(03:40:27):
I think maybe, but I mean it was captured across
a large area dash cams in Kshu, the southernmost main
island of Japan and Osaka, major city in the largest island.
I think it's Honshoe. So it was photographed and video
over a large area and the Japanese Prime Minister just

(03:40:50):
stepped down. It's another example of what these objects symbolize
and represent. You get one of the largest meteor is
a fireball that lights up the night sky, and two
weeks later the prime minister stepped step down, like literally

(03:41:10):
this week, the prime minister stepped down. And this fireball
was about two weeks ago, one of the largest in
I think I read a decade or more. It's huge, massive.
I actually thought it was fake or one of those
old stories, and it turned out to be in the news.
I was like, oh, that's associated press lit up the
night sky like daytime. It's actually scary to see something

(03:41:33):
like that. But the Prime minister stepped down. So there
is an example of that's what our ancestors saw. That's
what people that came before us saw, and that's what
the whole world sees. But if you take it a
step further, a comt is just a reminder that life
is fleeting. Enjoy life and if you're going to die,

(03:41:55):
there's no reason to kill each other to get to
the spaceship. Just gonna die, which is, you know, kind
of funny. If you watch that movie, don't look up
what happened. They spent how many trillions of dollars to
build a spaceship. Like half of the people that actually
made it on the spaceship made it to this next planet.
And then they get to the planet, they're all naked.

(03:42:15):
It's like a garden of Eden, and then they all
get eaten by these aliens as soon as they get
off the ship. It's like, you can't outrun death. I mean,
if I knew that there was a comet coming it
was going to destroy the Earth, I'd want to survive.
But I mean, ultimately, what are you going to do?
And that's kind of the Buddhist way of looking at it.

(03:42:36):
There's nothing that you can do. Just accept it. I
remember that scene in the movie twenty twelve. You have
that Buddhist monk in Tibet and accepted that he was
going to die. And he's up there in the mountains
and he just rings the bell to let people know
the wave is coming, say goodbye. This is nothing that
you can do about it. And even if you get
on the ship, you're gonna go get eaten by some

(03:42:57):
blog block alien or whatever that thing was in the movie,
which the I thought that part was actually funny. The
AI predicted the president was going to die by being
eaten by some like I forget the name. I think
I started with a B. It was like poorg dlawock alien.

Speaker 16 (03:43:11):
We don't really know what that is.

Speaker 11 (03:43:13):
We're not really sure what that is yet, but we
think you're gonna be eaten by one based on what
the AI assessed. And then she gets on the planet
and gets eaten eaten by this thing. It's like someone said,
what's that? I believe that's up looks look oh man.
It's so that that movie was like infuriating but also
like good. But anyway, the point is I tried to

(03:43:36):
look at this from an outside perspective, from another cultural
or religious context, and this is what we got. We
got the Buddhist interpretation, which is, you know, culturally and
regionally the different country. Everybody sees comments in the same way.
A Buddhists in particular see it as a harbinger of
the cycles of nature. And if you were to asked

(03:44:00):
the same question about Hinduism, for example, how does Hinduism
view a comet? I mean, Buddhism came out of Hinduism,
so how does Hinduism view commets? It's an important question
considering that Christianity also came out of Hinduism, and so
did Islam and Judaism and everything else where did you know,
in part at least, where did it come from? What

(03:44:22):
do they think about comments, especially considering that the Indian
texts are really scientific and they are like every other society.
Indian societies, they believe that their importance of calamities, famines, war, death,
et cetera. They are viewed by oracles who look at

(03:44:44):
their appearance, their shape, their direction, the duration the sky.
They analyze to predict certain outcomes. You know, a certain
shape of the comet might indicate a particular societal or
natural event that's going to happen down below. Commets are
sometimes associated with cosmic disruption or divine will. They are

(03:45:05):
the manifestation of celestial forces, so agne for example, which
is fire, and some narratives they're linked to the wrath
of the gods or cosmic cycles of creation and destruction.
So the Hindus see it basically the same way. Comments
are also believed to influence earthly events based on the
position that they take among the stars. So it depends

(03:45:28):
on what lunar mansion they're in, and that's going to
affect what kind of byproduct it produces down below, as above,
so below, And this can be interpreted overall for a country,
for a kingdom, for an individual community, for an individual
in a community, and people might do certain rituals to

(03:45:50):
mitigate the negative impacts. In Hinduism, the broader philosophical framework
emphasizes just like Buddhism, because that is where it comes from,
detachment from worldly events. Some spiritual interpretations might view a
comet as a reminder of the impermanence of nature and
the material world. That is to say, maya encouraging devotion

(03:46:12):
to dharma and liberation. And these are the things that
if you are to understand kind of like we talked
about with Atlas, earlier, and the sister and the father Zeus.
These are metaphors for certain natural phenomena and the order
and nature of the universe. Well, these commets in Hinduism

(03:46:33):
remind us of the impermanence of nature in the material world,
and they also encourage you to devote yourself to dharma.
And for those of you who don't know what darma is,
dharma it's a very very famous concept, but dharma is
the moral and cosmic order that governs the universe. So
it's basically what we learned about Buddhism. Commets are all

(03:46:58):
those other things everybody else sees them to be, but
in religious terms, if you see a comet and you
don't know if it brings destruction, you don't know if
it brings chaos, you don't know if it brings peace, whatever,
what you're seeing is something that is an indicator that
you should probably devote yourself even more to dharma, which
is the moral and cosmic order, and just understand that

(03:47:20):
this is the natural order of the universe and you
should try to live in harmony with that. This is
what the Whirling Dervishes are all about. I think they're
in Turkey and other parts of that part of the world.
But you should act ethical, you should be responsible. Of course,
Indian society doesn't really take much of that into consideration anymore.
But that's the concept in the way of dharma. It's

(03:47:45):
a complex subject. And I mean, if you're an American,
you can see, you know, the way that a lot
of Indian folks behave in the United States. You're like,
these people don't have any manners, they don't have any respect,
they don't take showers. Did they forget about dharma? You
could ask the same thing about the Muslims. You could
ask the same thing about the Christians. These are complex things.

(03:48:08):
You can't just assume people are one thing because of
their association or affiliation with some religion or some part
of the world. You have to really have an open
mind to the context of individuals, of communities, of religions
and the way that they see the world. And the
way that these people see the world in Buddhism and
the way that these people see the world in Hinduism

(03:48:29):
is that it's part of the natural, cosmic order of things.
There's nothing you can do about it.

Speaker 16 (03:48:35):
Just accept it.

Speaker 11 (03:48:36):
Now, Again, I'm not saying just for the record, I'm
not saying that I would be opposed to diverting a
large object that was getting close to Earth and was
going to destroy the planet. I'm all for that, But
that doesn't mean that if it failed and the Earth
got destroyed and I knew I had like an hour left,
I don't think I'm going to try to dig a

(03:48:58):
hole and survive it, because I don't think that you
can do that. So it's just about accepting what is.
And again, this is all about the perspective of the
Judeo Christian Islamic eschatology as it relates to the three

(03:49:20):
I Atlas object as a Messianic character, as a harbinger
of the end times, as a symbol of the Messiah,
as a symbol of the New Jerusalem, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. And that's kind of the the point of

(03:49:44):
tonight's show is to get you to consider or to
reconsider your perspectives on these types of subjects, be them
related to UFOs, related to UAPs, related to these objects
in the sk it's really important to yes, keep an
open mind, which is the whole point of Auviy Lobe's paper,

(03:50:11):
Keep an open mind, but it's probably just a comment,
and I'll add dot dot dot. Keep an open mind,
it's probably just a comment. And also you'll forget about
it like you got neuralized by the time Christmas comes.
And if I'm wrong, okay, don't care. It's not really

(03:50:31):
the point. It's not about being right or wrong. And
that's something else I'd like to emphasize. You know, you
have you have podcasts and radio shows where people want
to be right, and if you question what they're saying
because you're curious, then you get these nasty responses from people.

(03:50:55):
It's like, I'm not you might be right. That's not
the point, is I'm just want to look at it
from another angle.

Speaker 16 (03:51:04):
You know.

Speaker 11 (03:51:04):
I did that show in Image three seventy on Friday.
I thought it turned out excellent. If you miss that show,
you should. We even had Mike d call into the
last forty five minutes he should go back and listen
to that show, the Image three seventy show. And on
that show, I talked about that video of the orbs

(03:51:25):
around Image three seventy and I said, well, based on
the videos themselves and based on the stock footage, it
appears that these are fake videos. Well, Ashton Forbes, who
is just on Info Wars this week. He has been
like trolling my ex page now because I don't think

(03:51:48):
the video is real. And I told him, I said,
you know, you know, Ashton Forbes, I think you're protesting
a little bit too much. And now you you've firmly
convinced me that the US military and the UK government
had something to do with the disappearance of the plane.
The fact that you don't debate it or discuss it rationally,

(03:52:10):
and you just block people and yell at people who
don't agree with it tells me that you're probably either
directly or indirectly working for the FEDS. You're like the
FBI that sat on the data, or you're like the
intelligence agent that came to one of the family members
and said, yeah, the US government knows what happened. Okay.
But the point is, it's the same thing with three Atlas.

(03:52:33):
If you're like, yeah, I don't think that's what Avilow's
paper said, so you don't believe in UFOs, It's like
that isn't that that has nothing to do with what
I said. What I said was his paper didn't say
what you're saying. It said, and then again next month
when the thing arrives and nothing happens. There's there's no
like shift or change. These people just pivot to something,

(03:52:55):
some new scam, some new con which is why I
tell people don't quote me like, oh I heard Ryan
say this, This is the truth. It's not about me
telling you the truth because I don't have all the answers.
It's just about thinking critically. It's just about processing information

(03:53:16):
and considering other points of view, like the Hindu or
the Buddhist point of view, considering that it's probably not
a good idea to want to start World War three
over interpretations of religious prophecy. It would probably be a
lot more rational to just view something like this comment

(03:53:42):
with an open mind, to say, well, you know, I
don't really know what it is, but I'm open to
any possibility. And if it destroys the earth, it does.
If it doesn't, it doesn't. If it passes by and
everybody forgets great, which is probably what it's going to do.
And if it's an alien spaceship, we'll deal with that too.
It's something you you deal with, and you and you

(03:54:03):
you consider possibilities. You don't latch onto one and become
a zealot for it. That does not help anybody. But
it does lead to conflict, It does lead to war,
It does lead to very bad things happening. Last, but
not least, there was a UFO hearing in Congress. I

(03:54:25):
believe it was on the ninth, so I think this
was yesterday. The time zones are very different obviously where
I am, So what that would have been. Would that
have been like late night Tuesday Tuesday, or like early

(03:54:45):
super early morning Wednesday my time? I don't know anyway.

Speaker 1 (03:54:48):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (03:54:50):
I skimmed through some of this report and I was
I can say I wasn't shocked to see h once
again that it's a lot of the same stuff that
we've always heard, that we've always seen. I could play

(03:55:10):
some of it for you. I listened to the George
Nap part of the testimony. But as I said, I
think on a show earlier this year, I don't believe
this is about disclosure. I think it's about closure. I
think it's about taking the UFO archive, slightly opening it

(03:55:33):
up just a little bit to get people interested in
the subject again, and then rewriting the narrative in contemporary
terms so that it allows for the military for the
intelligence community, for the government, for other governments, for private corporations,
for big technology companies to continue to do their work

(03:55:55):
and their research under the cover of ufolks, which is
now an admitted thing that they've been doing for what
seventy five years anyway, Plus so many of these people
have been caught selling fake stories. These UFO whistleblower parties
are nothing but yeah, they're just everybody gets together and hey,
I remember you from the UFO conference. Let's tell the
government what we already know. And there's Corbel sitting in

(03:56:17):
the audience behind George Knapp, the guy that sold fake videos.
It's like and the members of Congress don't even know
enough about it to ask the question, like, mister Corbel,
did you or did you not also sell a fake
video from a military base in Palm Springs. Isn't it
verifiable that that was a set of flares? Mister Corbel,

(03:56:42):
You open the door for these people to come to
these these skiff meetings, and they don't come, they don't
show up, they get the skiff flu even that Representative
Luna said that they just don't show up. So if
you don't have any information to bring to a skiff
to something that's secret, off the record and closed behind
doors and secluded from the public and the government for

(03:57:02):
that matter, Like it's super secret. You don't you don't
have knowledge to bring to that, then what are you doing?
They don't show up, so it's just stories and it's convinced.
I'm being convinced every day that this is about closing
the UFO file, not disclosing the UFO file. And hey,

(03:57:27):
in a lot of ways through a atlas and the
way it's been presented is it feels like something similar
to that as well. All right, I'm Ryan Gabled. This
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