3I ATLAS Shrugged (9/10/25)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, anybody home today, I want you to open your mind.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I've almost come to the conclusion that the story is
subdamning that the massive apple pop will deal with it.
We are in process of developing who theories of techniques
to bid people actually to love their certitude.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
We face a hostile ideology, global in scope, atheistic in character.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Ruthless in purpose, and insiduous in methode. So we are
opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy
that relies primarily on covet means for expanding its sphere
of influence.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
To change the minds and the attitudes and the beliefs
of the people to bring about one world socialist totalitarian government.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
It is patterned itself after every dictator who's ever planted
the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history.
Just be time.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
If you can get people to consent to the state
of affairs in which they are living, then you have
a much more easily controllable society than you would if
you were relying poorly on clubs and firing squads and
concentration camps.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Tools of the conquest do not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Come with barns and extorsions and foot There are weapons
that re simply fights prejudices.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
As you connect the dots between different people, organizations, religions, history,
suddenly the picture starts to form. The Kingdom of God
is within men, not one man, not a group of men.
Someone born in the United States is not more special
than someone born in Mexico. Someone who is white is
not more special than someone who is black. They're just

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vehicles for the consciousness to experience. They do not want
your children to be educated. They do not want you
to think too much. It was learned that the aliens
had men and were then manipulating masters of people through
secret societies, witchcraft, magic, the occult, and religion.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
They're reach into our children, music, television, books.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Right young children's existence. How can I just still advise
set of stand with an efficiency. So if you have
the opportunity to stand next to one of these machines,
it feels like an altar to an alien god. Genetic
powers most awesome forced the planet's ever seen, But you
wielded like a kid that's found his dad's gun.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
You're the airport proof has an ounce but applying this
there is now in the production of the Army.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Too many others know what's happening out there, and no one,
no government agency, has jurisdiction over the truth. Any state,
any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth,
the dignity the rights of man, that state is absolute,
a case to be found under m from mankind. In
the Twilight Story about time some of you got acquainted

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with the real, hard truth. It's the how that says
I will not acquiesce.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Freedom is the privilege to be right, freedom from the
disasters and arms.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
You don't connect the dots, It's just a mass of
what's all this about? You are listening to The Secret
Teachings Radio. I'm your host, Ryan Gable. It is Wednesday,
September tenth, twenty and twenty five, and you are tuned

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of Quite Frankly TV. We always get a great response
when I go in Quite Frankly and Frank's a great guy,
has a fun show, has a really great studio. I
love Frank's studio. If you missed that show that I
did with Frank last night, you can go to Quite
Frankly TV online. Type that it'll bring up his website

(05:09):
and you can watch the entirety of the broadcast. We
planned to do forty five minutes last night, we ended
up doing somewhere around an hour and twenty without. The
conversation flowed very well, and Frank gave me an opportunity
to lay out my case for three I Atlas and

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to lay out my case for an alternate explanation for
all of the theories and opinions about three I Atlas.
And I had thought prior to doing the show last
night with Frank that I had said all that I
needed or wanted to say about the subject. And the

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interview went so well, I started thinking I probably should
address this again on The Secret Teachings. I did reference
the Messianic Triplicity show that I did back on August
eighteenth on his show, and I'll reference that again tonight.
If you missed that episode of The Secret Teachings Masianic Triplicity,

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it is in the archive, whether it's the free archive
or the subscription archive. Scroll back to August eighteenth, two
or three Solid scrolls should do it, and you'll find
an episode that we did about Omoa, Moa, Borsov and Atlas.
These quote interstellar objects. It was a very detailed show.

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It involved a lot of mythology, a lot of history,
of the UFO subject, and it involved speculating on the
speculation just a little bit about these interstellar objects and
the various explanations for them. We also talked about on

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that show religious prophecy in theology as well, and I
wanted to do another version of that show tonight, especially
after the interview last night with Frank, because when I
go into another radio show, I have to think about

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the audience. I have to think that a lot of
people have probably never heard me, a lot of people
might not know much about me if they have heard
about me, and so I have to sort of present
myself in a very concise and a very specific way

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so that I can get the critical points that I
want to be made across on a show where I'm
not in control of the time or of the content narration.
And so I began the show last night Frank's show,
not our show. Our show was a different topic. It's

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of course in the archive if you missed it. But
I told Frank's audience, I said, if you read a
vi Lobe's paper on three I atlas, you actually read it.
It's not that long. It's technical, but it's not that long.
It was published July twenty second of this year, twenty

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twenty five, and the paper itself, although it references quote
an alien spacecraft, this idea is in conclusion, what Avi
Lobe and his team at Harvard referred to as a
and this is a quote pedagogical exercise. Pedagogical means the

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way that something is learned, the way that things influence
that process learning. In other words, a pedagogical exercise is
a thought experiment. Three Eye Atlas is a Schrodinger's cat.
We don't know what it is. It could equally be

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something totally natural that we've just never seen before. And
in conclusion, Avi Lob and his team say the following.
By far, the most likely outcome will be that three
Eye Atlas is a completely natural interstellar object, probably a comet,
and the authors await the astronomical data to support this

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likely origin. That was the report from Avi Lobe and
his team at Harvard. Now has Avi Lobe said that
it could be something else. Sure, but that's Schrodinger's UFO,
that's Schrodinger's Atlas. It could be a lot of things.

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The New York Post published an article on September fifth,
this was last week that says, quote Manhattan sized interstellar
object three i Atlas could release many probes that hit Earth,
experts worn. The experts were representative Anna Paulina Luna and

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Harvard scientist Avi Lob And what was suggested, and this
was part of a podcast called the Soul Foundation podcast,
was that if we are visited by a technological object
like three iye Atlas, that's if we are visited by
an object like this object, assuming that it is something

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other than what it is likely to be, and that
is a comet, Avi Lobe said, quote, it could either
visit us or release some manies that arrive to Earth
and appear as you ap. This is purely speculative. This
is purely a what if. This is the kind of
stuff that if you heard me or another radio host

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or a podcast or say something like this, you know
that it's just commentary. It could be x yz and
you say that within a two hour interview, And if
people are really listening and paying attention to what you say,
and wherever you go online or in the news, they'll

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take anything you say totally out of context because that
drives clicks to the New York Post. I don't even
want to say the girl's name and promote her stuff.
But a girl by the name of Gomez does the
same thing. That would be the at one point the
heir to Jimmy Church's throne. Gomez telling people on social

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media that a Harvard scientist said that an alien object
was going to make contact with Earth later this year.
That's not what he said, that's not what his paper said,
But she sells that because people will click on it.
People will listen to that. There's a built an audience
in the UFO community. If you show them any pictures

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or videos and say this is an alien ship, they
believe it. Remote viewing Mall aliens in Miami, remote viewing
the Las Vegas aliens. Remember the con artist and the
frauds that did that. That's not even how remote viewing works.
You can't pick a target and say, Okay, I'm going
to remote view Mall aliens. Doesn't work that way. There's

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a lot of UFO people that do that, but there's
also a lot of just news outlets that do it
because what is a better headline. Manhattan sized interstellar object
could release mini probes or Radio host Ryan Gable believes
that this is a very complex issue that requires an
extensive amount of investigation and analysis, and historical knowledge and

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information on UFOs, information on comments, information on the history
of what those things signify and symbolize. You can't pack
all that into a headline. But with our fast paced lifestyles,
we want the headline. We want to have the conversation
around the proverbial water cooler or whatever the modern contemporary

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version of that is about did you hear there's an
alien spaceship coming to Earth in a few months now?
I didn't hear that. Well, you should read the New
York Post. You should listen to what Gomez says on YouTube.
You should listen to what Avi Lobe says. Sometimes I'll

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kind of be sarcastic when people ask me questions like that.
I'll say, really, there's an alien spaceship coming? Where did
you hear that?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
This guy at Harvard said it, which guy uh lobes something. Oh, oh,
Avi Lob, Yeah, that's right, So you've heard of it. Well,
I read his paper and he said it was a comment. Yeah,
but the New York Post said it was the size
of Manhattan and it's going to release many probes. No,
that's not what they actually said. So we get conjecture

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we get overblown comments that are taken out of context.
We get assumptions, we get a lot of things that
are not real. They're fantasy or their at least possibilities.
I don't care. It doesn't bother me to speculate because
it's a Schrodinger's box situation that three I Atlas might

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be under intelligent control. That doesn't matter to me if
it is or isn't, that's not the point. And this
is where I think this show differs from virtually every
other show on subjects like this, not because it's special
or unique, but just because I am not trying to
convince you or myself that this is an alien spaceship

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or that it's not. I really, frankly don't care one
way or the other, not because I'm not interested. I
do care. I am interested. I just am not concerned
with promoting an idea and dying on that hill when
I don't objectively know anything. This is the problem. We

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don't know. It's fine to speculate, but we don't know.
An example I gave last night when I was a
guest on another show, I said, think about it like
COVID nineteen or SARS Cove two sars CO two was invisible.

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I mean they showed you particles under a microscope. The
question is do those particles actually make you sick. That's
a totally different subject. But they showed you maybe particles
under a microscope, but it's invisible without technological assistance. You
can't see it with the naked eye. And the way

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in which the public was manipulated using PCR tests using
data twenty four to seven on the news of cases
of people that are sick of deaths associated with et cetera,

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convinced the mass majority of the public this was a
threat and anything and everything that could be done should
be done to stop it. And the ramifications of that
psychological torture are still present in society today. Remember when

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Time magazine published that article coronavirus could preview what will
happen when alien life reaches Earth? Do you recall that article?
You should go back and read it if you did
not see it before. What would happen if aliens reached Earth? Well,
coronavirus might give us a little bit of a hint

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of what might happen if this does occur, and just
the idea of that. The article was about contamination from
other worlds and organisms and materials, but just the idea
of that Saruskov two was an invisible alien like thing.

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Three I Atlas is very similar. You don't view it
through the microscopic technology. You view it through the macroscopic technology.
The telescopic technology. Sarskov two is microscopic. Three I Atlas
is macroscopic. But going even further than that, taking a

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step beyond that, it's computer generated. Most of the images
are computer generated. Many of the images and the ideas
that you see are based on computer models and simulations.
We don't have like a paparazzi space probe following three

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I Atlas taking pictures of it. I hope the public
understands that, because when I was a kid, I used
to think that's what was happening. Nobody bothered to correct me.
I assume a lot of folks still believe that's the
case today. I highly doubt this audience thinks that, but
I'm pretty sure that there's a considerable portion of the
population who believes that there's like a space probe falling

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it taking pictures and NASA's covering it up, or something
like that. You can't see it. I've given this example
before with things like weather, or things like extinction or
the Red list or endangered species. Do you know how
we determine if a species is endangered or possibly extinct,

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likely extinct. It's based on independent reporting from people like
you and I. Not all of it, but a good
portion of it is. That means if you don't see
something for a long time in a certain area where
people have seen it before, it must not exist anymore.
It must have gone extinct. The same thing is true

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for hurricanes and floods and any other kind of natural
disaster or any kind of thing that might lead to
a natural disaster. We only see hurricanes getting worse because
we won we monitor them much closer. Two, because we

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change the metrics and determine that this storm is stronger
based on wind speed or sustained wind speed. Observing practices
are what allows us to say these are more frequent,
and they're more severe, and most of the severity is
based on the economic consequences of what happens if that

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hurricane makes landfall in a populated, wealthy area as opposed
to an unpopulated, poorer area. Same thing with extinction, the
same thing with weather. It's the same thing with three
I atlas. Going back to twenty seventeen, when a MOMO
was found identified, which strangely enough, it was about what

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was it? It couldn't have been more than a month
and a half or roughly a month and a half
to two months before the Advance Aerospace Threat Identification Program
from the New York Times was exposed. The a TIP
program convenient, the first interstellar object, and then all by
the way, there's tic TACs. Maybe we'll talk about that

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in a little bit more detail later, but when Omomo
was found twenty seventeen, nobody had ever seen anything like it.
Before you heard the first interstellar object, it shouldn't need
to be said, but no, it's not the first interstellar object.
It's the first quote interstellar object that you've identified and
tracked and cataloged. And there is a huge difference between

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the first interstellar object maybe we're supposed to assume that
we've ever seen, and the first interstellar object that we've
actually tracked and cataloged. There's a gigantic difference between those
two things. Because we have the technology, reportedly, we have
the know how, we have the observing skills to track

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and define things like this so that means we're going
to find a lot of them, probably because they've probably
always been there, we just never identified them. And now
that we have new technology, we're paying attention to new things.
We find new things. That does not mean they're alien spacecraft.

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That does not mean there from another dimension or another planet.
It doesn't mean that they're space probes. Is that a
possibility because this is something we've never really witnessed before. Sure,
it's a possibility, but remember we're also basing that on
what we would do, and what we would do changes generationally.

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We decide if we are going to send out a probe,
if we are going to seed life, if we are
going to monitor another planet, what do we do. We'll
send out some kind of probe, maybe like a bracewell probe.
Maybe we'll disguise it so we won't risk contaminating the

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development of another civilization, you know, that star trek stuff.
But that's what we would do now. In ten years
we might do something different, just like with UFOs. What
was a UFO two thousand years ago, It was a shield,

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it was a pillar, it was a chariot. What was
a UFO five hundred years ago? It was maybe a cannonball.
It was some kind of celestial a celestial event. What
was a UFO one hundred years ago, it was some

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sort of weather phenomena, was some sort of maybe if
we're talking around the time of World War Two, it's
some kind of aircraft. What was a UFO at the
turn of the twenty first century or the turn of
the twentieth into the twenty first century, Well, it became

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what we know. It became a spaceship, it became some
kind of craft from somewhere else. It really began to
develop into that sometime back in the sixties when we
went to the Moon quote unquote, because we invaded another world,
and now other worlds are going to invade us. So

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it changes, and it'll change again in probably fifty years,
maybe one hundred years, two hundred years. It'll be something
we can't fathom, we can't imagine. I think the next
phase will be AI, will be computer technology, and that
it will be the alien that will be the UFO.

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I'm pretty firmly convinced that that is the case. That
is the transition that we're in the process of making presently.
That's important information to know that these identifiable objects whatever
they are change based on the culture. They change based

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on the development and the direction of civilization. One of
the most famous UFO cases in Japan is the utsuro bune,
which has been described away as being a bath container,
because that's what was used in Japan, and that's when

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the fishermen saw it. That's how they described it. A
hollow boat, a sort of wooden contained that one would
take a bath in. That's what they saw, that's what
they understood, that's what they thought was more or identifiable.
Like with Kenneth Arnold and flying saucers, he said that
they skipped as if they were like saucers skipping on

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something like water. The news said, those are flying saucers,
flying discs, taking what he said and tweaking it a
little bit, and then people began seeing flying saucers or
flying discs, which was not necessarily what Kenneth Arnold saw.

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So there's a psychological component to this. There's a psychological
aspect to this that needs to be addressed. What is
the gray alien if not the infantile self, a sort
of primordial human, a fittal human, a little person like
a homunculus. What is a little green person except the

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plant spirit the little green plant spirits that people in
interact with on things like ayahuasca. Little green men. What
are the elves? The elves are said to come from
another place and they come on very advanced technology to earth.
What does that sound like? Fairies? Elves are said to

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ride mechanical horses that move very quickly, usually gray or
white horses, you know, white light and gray flying saucers
that move really fast. Little tiny green fairies in little
containers that move quickly, whether they're eggs or horses, or

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something that is identifiable by the people who witness it.
At the time in which these things were witnessed, in Europe,
they had horses, and the horses move fast, and so
the horses were the only identifiable feature by which these
things could be observed, and the mythologies, whatever they're based on,
were the only mystical things that could be applied to

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try to understand what exactly was seen and to try
to define what it actually was that was being seen,
to describe it, not just say this is what it is,
but to describe what is it, how does it work,
or at least how do we think it works. We
had horses, so that's why the ferries rode horses, because
that's what we had at the time. There's reports going

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back to the Roman Empire of flying saucers. They're not
called flying saucers though, they're called shields because that's what
people had. They were identified on the battlefield, and the
soldiers that saw them saw them as the things that
they were carrying, shields or pillars like great Roman or
Greek pillars, because that was iconic and that's what people knew.

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It's not that they were stupid and said, oh, that's
a shield in the sky, that's a boat in the sky.
It was because that's what they thought it looked like.
And we think they look like spaceships. And this is
really it should be profound because it means that our
ancestors looked up and said, well, all we have are
horses and shields and chariots. That's what it looks like

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to me. We don't know what it is though others
looked up and said, well, that looks like a cannonball.
Others looked up and said, well that looks like a spaceship.
It changes. The objects don't change. I mean, there are
different types of these objects, but they change based on
our perception of them. They morph and shape shift based

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on our perceptions of them, and that influences directly and
indirectly the culture below the below part of that which
is above, and in a similar way, Omoa, MOA and
Boresov and Atlas play a very very similar, if not
identical role in shifting the conversation around intelligent life UFOs, UAPs,

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alien probes, interdimensional aliens, etc. Etc. Etc. It's weird that
when you read the news recently this last week about Atlas,
there's this strange kind of contradictory consensus. Let me explain

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what I mean by that. Space dot com reported that
three I Atlas is growing a tail. Based on observations,
it is growing a tale. You can see the time
lapse video for whatever that's worth, and it does indicate
as of August twenty seventh, this is a team of

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scientists using the Gemini South telescope in Chile that the
object is growing a tail. Now, on the other hand,
you have what are considered credible news sites or credible
media sites. There's a bunch of them. I picked the
article from the Economic Times that says three I Atlas

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interstellar objects shows green glow anti tail doesn't have a tail.
And the peculiar thing about these two articles is the
space dot Com article, where there's a video of it
growing a tale, was published September fifth. The Economic Times
article was published yesterday, which would have been what the

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ninth year time in the United States. I'm overseas, but
in the United States of the ninth, so that's a
four day difference. And these quote journalists and the people
that write these articles didn't know that for almost a week,
they've had video of the thing growing to tail, which
is what auvii Lobe said it would do. Because they
said it was a comment, that doesn't mean it's not strange.

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There's probably countless types of comments that we've never identified
interstellar objects. We're just looking at this stuff for the
first time, So is it possible that it's alien? Sure
it is, and that's not me being sarcastic. It just
genuinely is potentially. Yes, we don't know what it is,
so it's potentially anything. But four days after they identify

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the tale, a very clear tale, there's still reports that
it has no tail, So you don't know what to believe.
And this is where things get even more confusing, because
initially it's like a fun story. Initially there's people that
speculate and there's some fun theories. Then things start to

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spire a lot of control them. By the time you
get to the unveiling, people have segregated themselves in groups
and they're sure that their group has the answer. And
so if you say, well, you know, it's growing to tell,
that's just what they want you to think. Or it's
growing to tell. See, it's definitely not a bracewell probe.

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See it's growing to tell. Comments don't even exist. We
live on a flat Earth. And you're like, well, that's
not really the point. The point is the story is
changing officially, and as it changes officially, it starts to fracture,
and everybody's sure they've got the answers. And then let

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me make a prediction for you on the show. This
is a sarcastic prediction. By Christmas time, you won't remember
three I Atlas. It'll be old news. By Christmas, you
might say to me, But Ryan, there won't be a

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Christmas because the Aliens will arrive on Earth. I just
read a story actually from the New York Post. Some
Christian guy says that he got a dream Jesus is
going to return this month or next month. Great, So
if Jesus returns, we don't really need to celebrate Christmas,
then probably we'll us argue about these things endlessly until

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the money runs out, the money drives up, or until
the next interstellar object passes through. And that's kind of
what It's kind of an irritating thing. It kind of
irritates me just as a person, even if I didn't

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have a radio show, because I watch these stories come
and go and come and go, and you're like, we
never had clarification, We never got a conclusive answer to
the last two interstellar objects. The idea is the theories
just solidified around, oh yeah, it was alien, but you

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have zero evidence to support that. And quite frankly, I
would suggest that you have zero evidence to support the
official conclusion of what scientists told us it was. You
really don't know because you you can't go interact with it.
You watch it through computer simulations and through some very

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large telescopes that only a handful of people have access to,
and then you have to listen to their interpretations of that.
It is really interesting. A South African pastor claimed that
Jesus is going to return to Earth on September twenty third,

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and although the comment or whatever it might be, doesn't
arrive until much later, there is a Messianic component to it,
and this is something we talked about on the Messianic
Triplicity Show, and it's something I talked about as a
guest last night on another broadcast. It is estimated, this

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is not my estimation, but it is estimated that three
I Atlas will pass near the Earth or near the
Sun a close flyby sometime in October. And I've heard

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different dates. The estimation I think is somewhere around the
end of October, so around Halloween. The closest approach to
the Sun should be on October thirtieth, which is essentially
the Halloween celebration. Now that is really interesting for a

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variety of reasons, because if there is any Messianic quality
to three I Atlas, we'll look at the details of
this in a moment. But if there is any Messianic
quality to three I atlis, Halloween is a very interesting
time for it to arrive. This is where things get
kind of convoluted and confusing. We should probably recap the

(37:09):
Messianic triplicity and this should help us to understand. That
was the first show I did on three A atlas.
This should help us to understand the context of this
messianic spirit, to this messianic idea. Remember back in August,
this was last month. Back in August of this year,
twenty twenty five, Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna went on Joe

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Rogan and said that these whatever they are UAPs aliens,
they tend to move outside of time and space. She
referred to them as being evidenced of interdimensional beings. There's
evidence that she says that she's seen that they're interdimensional.

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She then goes on to refer to the Bible and
the time of Christ, and she talks about the ancient
astronaut theory. In fact, she talks about it a lot
and references what Christians would argue as what is or
is not canon biblical texts such as the Book of Enoch.

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And what she said reminded me of two different things.
It reminded me one of the July eighth, nineteen forty
seven memorandum six seven five to one about Roswell about
the discs and this document, whether it's true or not true,
if it's not true, if it's not real. If it's
a fraudulent document, what is the purpose of releasing and

(38:38):
to classifying a fraudulent document that says these are discs,
they're quote under remote control, and their planet where they
come from, is not a planet like our planet. It
is a quote etheric planet which interpenetrates with her own
and is not perceptible to us. The document likens this
home world to the lacas and talis or locus talis,

(39:00):
which are the higher and lower spiritual planes, something that
came to a heaven and a hell. Probably why we
hear and we see a lot of talk about angels
and demons in relation to UFOs and UAPs. This seems
to align with what Luna on Joe Rogan had said.
But this has been public information since the forties. So

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if I was in Congress and I wanted to talk
about UFOs, I could just reference the same document. She
wasn't doing that, but she could say I saw evidence
of this. I mean, I could say the same thing,
though I could say I saw evidence of this because
I read the nineteen forty seven memorandum. So we have
to be very careful what evidence is that. But it

(39:42):
also is reminiscent of what Michael Kratzios, the White House
Science Advisor, had said back in April of twenty twenty
five that the US has technology that can quote manipulate
time and space. This is very similar to what Anna
Paulina Luna was saying about these interdimensional beings being able
to move outside of quote time and space. And then

(40:04):
I looked at the twilight language of all of this,
and I thought it was really peculiar that the woman
telling us this is named Luna, as in the moon
in Latin, and the Science Advisor's name is derived from Greek.
When I heard Crasios, I thought, Kratos cretos Greek for strength,
Greek for power, Greek for war. The enforcer Cratos is

(40:28):
the enforcer of Zeus. His sister is Bea Force. So
Zeus is the ultimate power. Cratos and Bea the brother
and sister are strength and force. Like the two pillars,
the Baconian Pillars or the Masonic pillars science and philosophy
beauty and strength. We have strength and force that in

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force the authority of the chief God Zeus or a
Zeus or God in Jesus. For the Christian audience and
the name Atlas has a similar meaning to this. The
name Atlas means strength. Atlas is a titan, a primordial
deity of natural forces. If you looked at the two

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previous interstellar objects Omoa Moa and Borisov in their respective languages,
Oma Moa means messenger from Afar, arriving first, and Borisov
means fighter. These names, as they have been identified one
after another up to Atlas, we have a trinity here,

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and we have names that imply the coming of a
messenger Omoa Moa and a fighter Borisov that has the
ability to change the order of life and introduce perhaps
a new way of thinking, or perhaps start a war.
We have to also remember that comets have always been

(41:55):
harbingers of death and destruction and disease. A come, it
typically heralds the death of a king, of a queen,
the fall of an empire, the start of a war,
the winning of a war, the loss of a war,
and usually disease. And those things can of course be
affected by disease, the fall of an empire or the

(42:16):
fall of a king, et cetera. Diseases that are spread
not through microbes necessarily, but through chemicals. If a planet
passes through the tail of a comet, those chemicals are
brought into the atmosphere. People breathe them in, and this
is probably why you have an outbreak of diseases historically
without any modes of transport like trains or cars or airplanes,

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but virtually the entire world is affected what we call
the flu which comes from influenza or influence of the stars,
commets being one of them. Commets are shaped like sperm.
They penetrate the egg of the planet, so you have panspermia,
whether it is sent out by another civilizer or it's

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a natural process. What a comet represents is a sperm,
and that is exactly what those old depictions of things
flying through the sky with little beans in them also
depict on a macrocosmic level. From the microcosmic perspective of
the sperm, you have the head, you have the tail,

(43:21):
and they fly through the air. That's the homunculus, the
little person in Greek, the homunculous, that's the alien, just
like the little gray aliens look like us. They look
like small versions of us. Maybe it's us in the
future maybe, or it's an unconscious projection of us, a
subconscious projection of us, a part of us externally like

(43:44):
Aleister Crowley's lamb that looks like a little gray alien,
a little humanoid just without the hair, and some of
the oriphysics that we have, but very very similar. So
we have a harbinger of something. Comments have always been
a harbinger of death and disease and destruction, but also

(44:05):
birth and new life. Comments might ensure that a decision
that a king or an emperor, or a commander on
the military battlefield has made the right decision. Some astronomical
event is a sign from God. This is true in Asia,
it's true in the Middle East, it's true in the Americas.

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It's true all over the world. Now, remember a VI
Lobe had posited that three I Atlas may herald the
arrival of a Messianic era. When I talk to my
friend Clyde Lewis of Ground zero, of which some of you,
if you're listening on Ground zero plus, you know who

(44:48):
that is. But I have to say that anyway, because
a lot of people don't other listeners elsewhere. My good
friend Clyde Lewis of ground zero. He said, yeah, I
gave Avi Lobe that idea because they're friends they talk
a lot. So Clyde has discussed this as well, and
Clyde had actually called me. I didn't get the phone
call because I was asleep because the time difference, but

(45:09):
he called me and then emailed me a few days
ago and said that Richard Hogland was also talking about
the same idea. Avi Lobe had posited that it might
be a representation of the Messianic era and that it
might signal the arrival of a messiah from quote another star. Well,
this is precisely what we get in the names of Moa,

(45:30):
mo A, Borsov and Atlas, the coming messenger in the
fighter that has the ability to change the order of
life and introduce a new way of thinking. That's the
Christ's consciousness and the resurrection of the dead from the grave,
that's the rapture. Avi Lobe also believes there needs to
be an international organization to deal with possible peace or
conflict which accompanies contact with whatever this thing or whatever

(45:55):
these beans are, if they are and if they do come,
and he says he hopes that like President Reagan hoped,
these things will actually bring people together based on an
external threat. Now, notice that you have the very conservative
Ronald Reagan, and you have someone like Avi Loeb who's
much more liberal in his ideas, and they're both saying,

(46:17):
we hope this brings people together against an external threat.
If you're very right right wing, you're probably thinking, well,
that external threat is the fake alien invasion, and this
is something that just gets annoying. Honestly, it's just this
Bluebeam thing that people keep saying, blue Beam, blue Beam,
blue Beam does not exist. It is not a government
project it is. It's not a real thing. It was

(46:38):
a proposal from a Canadian journalist. It was a theory.
It's not a real program or a real project. That
doesn't mean that you couldn't use the idea of an
external threat like with SARS Cove two, which was an
internal threat to reshape and reform society, because you clearly can,

(47:02):
and you can do so in a very short period
of time, and you can fool a lot of otherwise
what we would think are very smart people into following
along with the plan, and by the time they recognize
they've been duped, it's too late, and they don't want
to say, hey, I've been duped. Let's fight back against
this because they're too deep. They're in too deep, they're

(47:22):
in too far. And if they do say hey, I
was wrong, it's you know, like the Governor of New
York saying it five years after the fact and after
he's out of office, kind of too late. So you
can do this with sarvs cove too. You can do
this with something that you likewise can't see, that's somewhere

(47:45):
off in the distant vastness of space that only the
people with access to the telescopes can can see and
speculate on. Now, when I was on quite Frankly TV
last night, I know I've mentioned this many times, but

(48:06):
Frank really kind of helped to inspire this show tonight.
After I did the show with him. It was a
really good interview. It was a fun interview, and he
asked the question, he said, do you consider me? It
was a rhetorical question, however he asked it. He said,
you you got to consider the people saying this kind
of stuff, what is their religious motivation? And I said,

(48:26):
that is a brilliant question. It's a great question. You
do have to consider religious motivations. Now, you have to
consider them in a couple of different ways. Number One,
if you're listening to someone like myself. If you're listening
to somebody like Clyde, lewis on ground zero. All of
you probably know who listened to Clyde. He grew up
in the Mormon Church. He does have a more Christian perspective.

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I don't want to speak for Clyde, you know, I
don't know exactly what his or my own, even for
that matter, beliefs are about these things. But Clyde's smart guy,
and he knows theology, he knows prophecy, he knows the Bible,
he knows a lot, and people like myself, I'm similar.
I didn't grow up Mormon. I grew up Baptist Christian.

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I reject the institutional Baptist practice because I find it
everywhere in the world the same concepts, especially of Baptism,
and so in rejecting one institution, I embrace all as
being part of a legacy that is, from a lost
period of human history. That is, it's clearly present in

(49:32):
our religious texts and our megalithic structures, the baptisms. I mean,
you think about it. The pyramid of Chulula is built
on a sacred spring, the pyramid of gizas built on
a sacred spring, and so on and so forth. These
are ritualistic purification sites. So I embrace all of that.
But I'm not a Christian, and yet I can sit
here and I can quote Prophecy, I can read the Bible.

(49:53):
I can also read the Koran and the Bagavad Gita
and find the common realities between them all. For someone
like Avi low, I don't know if he's Orthodox or
non Orthodox Jewish, but he's from Israel, and so we
can assume that Avi Lobe, I don't know him personally,
probably has a very whatever the domination, is a very

(50:16):
Jewish perspective on this subject. And then you have to consider, well,
what about someone like Anna Paulina Luna. She's also Jewish,
so she probably has a Jewish perspective. And it's particularly
interesting that she brought up ancient astronaut theory on Joe
Rogan multiple times, numerous times, because the man who invented

(50:41):
that idea was not a Christian. He was a Jewish guy.
He came from a Torah family, which is I would
argue the good part of Judaism, but he came from
a Torah family and they reject Christ. And so if
the guy that into ancient Aliens. He was a Russian

(51:03):
born mathematician, mattist M. I think his middle name was
Mendel Mendelovich, I think know how to pronounce it Mendelovich.
But Matts or metes Agrist he was also Jewish. So
that means that there's definitely a Jewish prophecy idea embedded

(51:25):
in things like comments and things like three I Atlas,
whether you're talking about Lobe or Luna, or you're talking
about mattst Agrist or in the UFO hearing this week,
one of the people asking important questions, or at least
they're supposed to be important questions was a member another
Member of Congress from Florida named Moscowitz. He's also Jewish.

(51:47):
So if these are the people that are overseeing a
lot of the UFO investigation or giving us information on
UFOs UAPs, interstill are objects, Yes, what is the religious motivation?
Especially considering that if there are more than a handful
of people who see three I Atlas and other similar

(52:10):
objects as a harbinger of change, Amoa, mo Aborisov and
Atlas as being the messengers and the fighters that come
to change the order and introduce a new way of thinking. Well,
that is the Messiah, that is the spirit and the energy,

(52:33):
the transition and the change, the rapture and the ascension process.
That is a new way of thinking. That is Christ's
consciousness arriving or returning, and all of this is taking
place above and around and beyond us. While there is
a discussion on the red Heifer sacrifice, this has been

(52:56):
a few years in the making. Some believe they've already
performed the ritual, which for those of you who are
not knowledgeable about this, and even for those of you
who are knowledgeable about this, just as a refresher, in
order to build the Third Temple, or to rebuild the
Holy Temple, the red heifer must be sacrificed and the
ashes used to consecrate and purify the priests to build

(53:18):
the temple. Some ultra Orthodox Jews believe that's wrong, and
that divine intervention should be the author of ritual instead
of human initiative, which kind of brings us to the
conspiratorial problem, and that is, if you are nudging God,
then what good is the prophecy if you're trying to

(53:43):
force it to happen. So if you consider all of that,
and then you have to consider the fact that there
are some that have pointed out that maybe through a
atlas is not so elongated, maybe it's a cube like shape.
And this has sort of a sort of a revelatory
feel to it. It sounds like a New Jerusalem and Revelation,

(54:06):
which is a cube. However, as most of you probably
know because you've listened to this show before, but for
those of you who don't know, the New Jerusalem that's
discussed in the Bible is discussed as a spiritual place.
It's not a physical place. It's not a geographical location.
The New Jerusalem is built on the foundation of Christ.

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It's built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets.
It's a holy city that comes down from Heaven prepared
as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband's as Revelation
twenty one two. It's not a geographical location. It's not
an actual city. There aren't streets and sewage systems and

(54:55):
apartment buildings. It's a symbol of transformation. The human body
is often depicted as being chained to a cube in
esoterica and in the mysteries and in occult traditions, because
the cube is a representation of the three dimensional world,
and it is inhabited by humans, and their bodies are

(55:17):
also sometimes represented as cubes because they are rigid, and
because those bodies are three dimensional, and they are not
who we are. We are soul in spirit. And when
you recognize this, you are born again. You are resurrected
out of the coffin, the sarcophagus, the tomb, the temple,
the womb of the earth, of the pyramid, of the

(55:38):
cave of the body, and then you become like a
child of God once you recognize that, that's who you
truly are, which also is what the word Israel actually means.
It means everybody who strives with God, which is every

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human on planet Earth. And if you look at the
word Jerusalem in Hebrew, the word in Hebrew means foundation
of peace, and that cornerstone is Jesus Christ. So Jesus
Christ and Jerusalem are the cornerstones and the foundations of peace,
and the prophets and the apostles or the walls and
the stones that help to build those walls. The city

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is shining with the light of the sun, the heavenly city.
So that is both a if you want to say,
it's a physical place it is the cosmos, if you
want to say it's a symbolic place. It is the body.
It is the transformation of consciousness in the body. Like

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those little tiny humans the homunculus inside of those what
look like comets or sperm cells moving through the sky
in the old medieval art. This is happening inside of us.
We are transformed. The body is the vessel for this
all chemical transformation. It is the horse dung. And then
in the vessel, this little thing grows and we escape

(57:09):
from the horse dung. We resurrect out of the cave
or the womb, or the temple or the body, or
whatever it might be, and then we meet with God.
And this is a universal concept that is found in
virtually every part of the world. It is not exclusive
to Christianity. And why we have to continue to argue

(57:31):
about that is really beyond me, and I don't really
have time to continue to argue about how it's not
a singular concept that belongs to Christianity. It's not. It
just is not. It's not. It's not. And so this
new Cube is metaphoric, This new Jerusalem is metaphoric. It's
not even necessarily a cube. It's just interpreted as a

(57:52):
cube from the dimensions given in Revelation, which I believe
Revelation is a byproduct of some sort of trans inducing,
hallucinatory substance. I think a lot more people are beginning
to think that that's possible now that John wrote Revelation,
or whoever wrote it, was on some type of psychedelic substance.

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And if you think about it, look at the Greeks
and their use of poppy. Look at the Greeks and
their use of ergot off of crops like wheat. Look
at the use of blue water lily in Africa, the
use of peyote in the Americas, the use of ayahuasca
or special tobacco. Look at how those things transform the individual,

(58:44):
allow for the medicine person, the medicine man, the medicine woman,
to transcend time and space and to acquire the knowledge
of plants, the knowledge of technology. Even what do some
people see on DMT than the colors and the grid
patterns and all of that. They tend to see entities,

(59:05):
and a lot of people see what are famously known
as the machine elves, those technologically advanced little people that
come from somewhere else, kind of like the locus of
the talus of that document that the US military, if
it's a real document, if it's not a real document,
it was a declassified document back from the nineteen forties,
nineteen forty seven July eighth, to be exact. And so

(59:29):
whatever is being seen in that other realm, whatever we
are interacting with, it gives us the ability to obtain
knowledge that we otherwise would not have. It's probably what
gave the people of the Amazon the knowledge to develop
terra preta, the black soil that turns an infertile jungle

(59:54):
floor into a eight thousand plus year old fertile file
landscape that over eight thousand years later, can still be used.
That you can put on to infertile soil anywhere in
the world and it will fertilize it with the snap
of a finger. That's very advanced ancient technology. And considering

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the complexity and the diversity of plants in the Amazon,
and the fact that ayahuasca, this shrub and this vine
mixing them together to inhibit the destruction of DNT and
the gut, it indicates a very very sophisticated form of science.
And the local peoples they report that the reason that

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they have This knowledge is not because of trial and error,
which we would say is the scientific process. It's because
the plant spirits gave them this knowledge, which I guess
first was the chicken, first was the egg. We don't
really know, but this is the idea. And this ties
into the UFO subject. It ties into the Atlas subject
because what happens in those alters dates of consciousness. As

(01:01:02):
most of you probably know, you as a shaman, are dismembered.
You are pierced by spears or projectiles. You look like
Jesus on the cross, or Odin on the Cross, or
Indra in the box or Osiris in the sarcophagus. You
have your side pierced like Prometheus on the rock. You

(01:01:26):
are essentially punished, but the punishment is only so that
you can be put back together again. You are dismembered
to be reassembled. This is the same story that is
told of Inana and Ishtar. It's the same story that's

(01:01:48):
told of Osiris and Isis. It's the same story told
in every part of the world in one form, one fashion,
one way or another. That as you move through the
seven planetary sphere, you have the parts of your body,
your legs, your arms, your head. Usually it's described as
like the breast, the crown, or ornaments like your chest

(01:02:11):
plate or your crown or your necklace and your pants
and things like this, that they're dismembered, that they're taking apart,
they're purified, and they're put back together and sent back.
That's the shamanic experience. That's the story of the descent
into the underworld or into the afterlife. It's a universal concept.

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It's found in Japan too, in the story of is
Anamian is Anagi nomikoto sound everywhere Japan, Greece, Africa, the Americas,
you name it, sound everywhere, And in that process you
go through the suffering, the crucifixion, the stabbing, and then

(01:02:52):
the resurrection. The shaman story is the Jesus story. It's
told over and over and over again in different forms,
a different context, but the general underlying theme is the same.
So in a lot of ways, we're looking in the
wrong place for aliens. It's not three I Atlas, that's
the alien spaceship. It's the little huts, it's the little caves.

(01:03:17):
It's the little ritualistic sites. They call them hevas in
the American Southwest, it's the temples. It's the pyramids. That's
the place in which you go to contact the other side,
to contact the spirits, to contact aliens, et cetera. And
so when is Throe I Atlas supposed to come. It's
supposed to come near the sun closest on October thirtieth.

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And what is October thirtieth. It's the procession of spirits.
It's when the valus thin between the worlds, and it's
when the spirits from this world, people who have died
can easily transition over into the spiritual realm, and vice versa.
When the spirits from the other side, some might be malicious,
some might be levolent, some might just be playful and mischievous,

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and they come over on to our plane of existence.
And so we wear costumes to frighten the evil ones.
We put out food to appease them. That's the treat,
so they don't trick us and vandalize our home or
harm our family. We also wear costumes and put out
food to welcome the benevolent spirits, to welcome family members.
So we attract them and say we respect you. I

(01:04:26):
put on nice clothes, I gave you some food. I
left nice food out for you to enjoy, to honor
your ancestors. The realms are closely connected during that time
of the year. This is a great time for spirit communications,
a great time for divination. It's a great time to

(01:04:47):
contact God, to pray, to meditate because those doorways are open,
especially during the Witching Hour around October twenty nine, thirty
thirty first, etc. Somewhere around there, roughly traditionally a three
day festival to contact the other world, to contact the
other side, and to help this side transition to the

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other side. And that is a veil. That's how it's
described a veil that is lifted in Greek. The lifting
of the veil is the apocalypse. You've heard me say
this before, most likely, but the apocalypse as a lifting
of the veil is not something that applies to an
armageddon end of the world Jesus returns scenario. It's connected

(01:05:35):
to the changing of the seasons. It's connected to the
four horses of the apocalypse. This time of the year,
the fall, and the time in which three i Atlas
is supposed to pass by the sun very close to
Earth is howlloween, the time of the Wondering Spear. It's

(01:06:00):
the time in which the veil is lifted and we
can see the new Jerusalem, we can see the Messiah
returning to Earth through the clouds. This sparks war, This
sparks transition. This could spark the sacrifice of the Red
Heifer and the next Crusade, the next war of a

(01:06:23):
religious variety, the next Holy War. It could spark total transformation.
As a symbol and a sign in the sky, Messiah
has returned or Messiah has arrived. For the Jews, the
Christians and the Muslims believe that Jesus returns, and he
comes for the Muslims with Madi. For the Christians, it's

(01:06:44):
just Jesus, and they fight against the Antichrist, which is
the Antichrist or aldejl which is also a composite character
in both religions, and it's not a singular energy or spirit.
But I would describe it and define it more so
as an antichrist consciousness, just like Christ is a consciousness.
Antichrist consciousness would be the opposite of Christ consciousness. And

(01:07:07):
remember the man, the individual, the spirit, the energy, the
leader or the misleader that stands in that third temple
is the Antichrist, which I know that Christians want that
because there's their prophecy. But all of this is enlightening,

(01:07:27):
it's positive, but it's also potentially devastating and negative because
if you try to create a war, you try to
create the conditions of armageddon, You're going to be really
disappointed when Jesus doesn't return to save you in the
literal physical way that we assume that is going to happen.

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And the same thing with the Muslims. When the Jesus
doesn't come back with Mahdi and saves us from the
evil Muslims are going to be real disappointed. And this
will be a long transitional process to erode the faith
and the beliefs of people in order to establish the
temple in order to install the Antichrist on that temple throne.
That's at least one interpretation of this. But this time

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of the year, this lifting of the veil, this is
when the black horse rides. The black horse holds the
scales and judges us. The Messiah will also come to
judge us. Correct we will be judged. All the dead
will be lifted up out of their graves. That means
people that are spiritually dead, not physical graves that are

(01:08:34):
opening up in zombies or coming out of it. But
the dead will be judged. The dead are those who
have not accepted Christ the dead, or are those who
have not accepted the teachings the debt, or those who
have chosen to stay in a carnile state and to
reject the spiritual essence of what it means to be human.

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And you need to consider, especially if you're a Christian,
that this means you can be a Christian and still
be dead, despite you telling yourself that you're resurrected because
some pastor dune to you under some water in church.
In the same way that you can find people that
practice Buddhism in some jungle in Southeast Asia and they

(01:09:19):
are more christ Like than some Christians, that this is
not an exclusivity to Christianity. In the same way the
Christians say we perfected Judaism. We don't need blood rituals anymore.
We have water rituals. We have Jesus that gave the
ultimate sacrifice. We don't have to kill animals anymore. The
Muslims came along and said We've perfected Christianity, and yet

(01:09:46):
they all seem to be based on the exact same ideas.
And concepts that you can also find in Buddhism and
all other parts of the world. There's a common lineage
here to all of this stuff. If you look up
in the sky and you can see Atlas, that's a
sign of all sorts of things. It's a sign of
the fall of empires. It's a sign of the starting

(01:10:08):
of a war or the ending of a war. It's
a spiritual war, it's a physical war. It could be
the start of armageddon. It could be the end of armageddon.
It could be the end of the apocalypse, because the
apocalypse is only a temporarily great unveiling, and then the
veil is after it's lifted, it's let back down. The
black horse judges us in the end times, the end

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times of the celindrical year. The white horse is chlorose,
as in chlorophyll. We know the end times are approaching
because the winter starts to set in. It becomes colder,
it becomes darker. We see death. The shrubs and the
trees and the grass, the trees that survive, the evergreen trees,

(01:10:54):
they become symbols of the essence and the power of Diana,
of the Goddess of Earth, of the spirit. So we
bring them inside and we light candles or we have lights,
and those all represent the warmth and the light that

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warms the cold and illuminates the darkness of winter. And
the white horse that follows the pale horse, which is
pale because the leaves don't have as much sunlight or chlorophyll,
so they start to change colors, and we know that's
a sign of the end times. The white horse that
follows begins the slow trek up the mountain to conquer

(01:11:41):
the darkness and the cold of winter. And then the
red horse goes into full war mode against the cold
and the darkness, eventually winning and becoming victorious on the
summer solstice, and then begins to lose power and fully
die on the winter solstice. The day after the winter solstice,

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that's when the transition takes place to the building of
the new King, the Holly King, Oak King and Wiccanism,
but in Christianity we'd call this the birth of Jesus
and the resurrection of Christ. At the end of the story,
the thirty three vertebrate the thirty three years of Christ
relate to the Kundalini spirit of the Kundalini energy coming

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out of India. That's largely where we get this idea from.
That goes up the spine up to the head, and
that is the crown chakra, that is the crown in
which we connect with God with the pineal gland and
other glands in the head also known as Adam and
Eve and the esoteric bodily tradition that is also Golgatha
the skull where Christ is crucified between the two thieves,

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which are the hemispheres of the brain. And the middle
path is that of Buddha, Krishna, Jesus and so many others.
The middle path is where the Hindus place the Bindi dot.
The middle path is actually I learned this learning kanji
over here in Japan to put your finger in the
middle of your head as an identification for im. That's

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how they teach you one of the kanji. The finger
in the center of the head represents Im. That's in Japan.
The Bindi dot, the middle path, the temple that is
the head where Jesus begins teaching. It's all a metaphor
highly symbolic. The New Jerusalem is a is a state

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of mind. It's a spiritual transition. Now to take it
a step further, you have other UFO UAP celebrities like
Corbel saying that the public is going to be lied
to about a craft that's on its way to Earth.

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And say what you want about Corbel, trust me, I've
said a lot. He brings up an interesting point because
if there is an active plan to lie to the
public about a craft coming to Earth, whatever that is
supposed to mean, it sparks an interesting conversation because it

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means that, well, perhaps there is an actual conspiracy to
convince the public that things in the sky are alien
or some kind of artificial construct when they actually aren't,
and to use that to build the quote New World
Order or to build the global government to bring the

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world together like Ronald Reagan wanted to do with the
UFO question. The UFO subject, I don't have an opinion
on that. It's just an interesting little detail. So we
don't forget anything for tonight's show. We need to make
as much as we can mention. But that's an important
little detail that needs to be brought up and needs

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to be considered because Corbel did say that earlier on
that they're going to tell you there's a craft coming
to Earth and that it's going to be a lie,
which has this like resonance with Carol Rosen. We need
to build space based weapons, but it's all based on
a lie. Maybe Corbel was channeling his inner von Braun

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when he said that, his inner Carol Rosen when he
said that. But you see, you get all these different interpretations,
and what does it mean. What does the Messiah mean? Furthermore,
the anointed one or the messa of the oil from
the fat of the crocodile of the Nile River, that
the Egyptian pharaohs would be anointed in the Messiah just

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means the anointed. Everybody's anointed if you choose to be resurrected,
a child of God, if you choose to be a
son of God, if you choose to be a daughter
of God, if you choose to be everybody's a Messiah.
And what is a Christ? Well, a Christ is a title.
A Christ is not a name. You see Jesus Christ,
this is a title. Messiah is a title. This is

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important to know. This is important to understand that Christ
is an expression of something that is not literal. The
Christ is the anointing, which in Hebrew it is the
Masiah or the Messiah, the Messiah, Messiah that is Christ.

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Remember that the Jews reject Christ, and I actually agree
with the Jews on this. I don't believe, at least
the non Messianic Jews. I don't believe Jesus was the
son of God. I think that's blasphemous, an absurd, and
a total perversion of all the ancient mystery traditions which
came long before Christianity. It's the same story. There's actually

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stories in the Amazon Forest native groups that believe that
God sent their only child to this tribe to teach them.
It's the same story over and over again. But the
point is what is a Messiah and what is a Christ?
I don't know if you saw this a few weeks ago,
there was a very large meteor that lit up the

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sky in southwestern Japan, and just thinking from the perspective
of a non Christian part of the world, what does
this mean to countries that are not Christian, that are
not Muslim, that are not Jewish, that are not influenced

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by this eschatology? What does that mean to China? What
does that mean to a lot of Asian countries that
are Buddhist. I don't think it means anything. It's just
a comment. And to me, that is a really simple,

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boring stale for a lot of people think to think about.
But you need to consider this, what does that mean
to people that just don't care? Now. I understand that
if you are really religious, you'll probably say, well, that
means they're gonna get swallowed up in the pits of
hell if you don't care. Well, I think on the contrary,
it might be you that gets swallowed up in the

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pits of hell when you're all concerned and we're in
fighting with people over the meaning of these symbols, and
there are some people in the world that just don't care,
not because they're atheists, not because they're anarchists and Satanist,
but just because they don't believe the same thing you believe.
If you see a meteor streak across the sky in

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light up, that's usually a sign of something. It's usually
a sign that, hey, you should pay attention to what's
going on above. It's usually a sign from God you
need to pay attention. Maybe it's a sign that you
should do a little investigation in the area where this
media went down. Maybe something happened there. It could be

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a sign of anything. But if you don't have the
Abrahamic escatology as an operating system to observe these things through,
then it's nothing but a natural phenomenon. And I think
that is just cool. I think it's cool to know
that the whole world doesn't believe in this eschatology. The

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whole world doesn't buy the various interpretations, the translations, the mistranslations,
the interpretations of all those translations and mistranslations, the opinions
that are promoted as prophecy, etc. That are all kind
of grouped together in a singular eschatological narrative, that even

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within Christianity, within Judaism, within Islam, are viewed in totally
different ways by totally different people. None of it's none
of it's like exactly the same. You don't have to
believe me, you know, just do a little bit of
research yourself. Ask other denominations of your religion, what do

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you believe? How many Jews or Messianic Jews that don't
reject Jesus, How many Christians are there that accept Islam?
How many Muslims are there that accept Christianity? Almost all
of them. And it's not even a close comparison. But
how many people do things that are unorthodox to your orthodoxy?

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You know, how would the Buddhists, this is what I
ask myself. How would the Buddhists view something like this?
How would the Buddhists view a meteor streaking across the
sky a meteorite? I think it's a meteoroid if lands
or if they find evidence of it. I forget, what's
the definition of That's like a meteor if it stritchs
across the sky, a meteorite if it lights up the sky,

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and a meteoroid if it actually makes landfall. But like,
what do the Buddhists traditionally, at least Buddhists societies, what
do they see a comet as representing? That's a big
part of the world's population. It's a celestial phenomena, no

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doubt about that. It's part of samsara, which is the
cyclical nature of the universe. And depending on the tradition,
whether you're in Tibet or it depends on where you are,
a comtist seen as a reminder of the impermanence of life,

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which I think is really interesting because what Buddhists see
a comet as and we think Buddhism from a Western
perspective is like this hippie, dippy spiritual you worship a
golden idol. Actually it's a representation of pure consciousness, and
you take your shoes up before you go into the
house of God. Unlike most churches, not saying one's better

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than the other, I'm not a Buddhist. I'm just saying
that you can make these interpretations and you can battle
it out and who's got the best. And it's not
about having the best, it's about you get to the
same place either way. But it's interesting because the Buddhists
see comets in a really scientific way, and Buddhists typically

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reject everything material for the most part, at least all
of the unnecessary material pleasures. So in a lot of ways,
Buddhism is like the antithesis of modern reductionary science. And
yet Buddhists can't say I speak for all of them.

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But Buddhists tend to see a comet as a reminder
of the impermanence of life, because what does a comet
typically do. It leads to disease and death. It leads
to the fall of empires. If the younger drives impact

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theory is correct, and the shotgun blast of comet debris
that struck the planet actually happened and led to cataclysmic
events and fires and floods. If that really did happen,
then I think the Buddhists are looking up at the
sky and being very realistic and very scientific about what

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it means and what it means. If something like the
Younger Dryes impact theory is correct, is that a comet
is a harbinger of both life and death, and it
could be a planet killer that destroys everything on the planet.
And to the Buddhists, that's just okay. Life is given,
life is taken. We should try to do less harm.

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We should try not to harm animals and plants in
the world around us. We should do less harm. We
should live within the context of this world. And when
it is time to die, it's time to die. And honestly,
I think that is like way more consciously sophisticated in

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christ like consciousness and advanced than looking up at the
sky and thinking this object signals armageddon. Let's get ready
to go to war and fight those evil Muslims and Christians.
I think Buddhism is far more advanced than Western Abrahamic

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religions are just based on this idea alone. Of course,
in China and India, Buddhism as a religion sees comments
as harbingers of change in the same ways that Western
societies and religion see comments. They are indicators of the

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change of leadership, the change of societal direction. In the
could be war, it could be also a sign of
the external external changes was internal changes, so like that
transition to what we call christ consciousness. But seriously, if
you think about it, I mean I am I will

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admit I am making a judgment here. This is not
me being objective. This is me being very subjective, although
I honestly think it is based on an objective analysis
of religious interpretations of such things. But just I'll admit
that I'm being subjective about this. I think that Buddhism,
Buddhist cultures see something like a comet and see something

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like what we would interpret as prophecy in a far
more sophisticated and I would say even educated, kind of
rational way that otherwise, you know, science would kind of
the mainstream scientific consensus of the Western world and even
part of the Eastern world would reject such a notion
all the things in Buddhism. But Buddhists are like, yes,
this is just the nature of reality. Comments come, they

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bring life, comments come, they destroy the planet. Shouldn't really
try to hide from it. We should just accept what
it is. That's God's plan. I think it's funny because
it means Buddhists basically accept God's plan more than the
Abrahamic faiths do, rather than trying to nudge God start war,

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force temples to be rebuilt, interpret things literally, the Boodists
are just like, Yeah, if I die, that's what was
going to happen. That's the will of God. That's what's
going to happen. And if I'm going to survive, I'm
going to survive. And that's not you know, a lot
of people interpret that, especially in the hippie communities, which
trust me, I was in because I'm a hippie in

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a lot of ways, especially compared to conservatives. I'm a
hippie in a lot of ways, and hippies tend to
have this idea Western kind of hippies have this idea
of like the idea of like turn the other cheek,
or the idea of I'm just going to die, So
what does it matter that becomes like this eightheistic thing
doesn't really matter. I'm warm food. I guess I'll just
slit my wrists now and whatever. But that's not what

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it's supposed to mean. In the same way that you're
not supposed to give up like eating food, because you're
you're spiritual, You're not supposed to just like well Buddhist said,
give up all your early possessions. So like, I guess
I don't need clothes. I'm just going to go lay
out in the dirt until I die. This is a
very literalist interpretation of complex, sophisticated spiritual concepts that frankly,

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people who think that are clearly not ready to receive
and clearly will pollute and pervert and poison and make
into dangerous subcultures and cults that develop into movements societally

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and culturally where people commit self harm because what does
it even matter? And you can find that in Christianity too,
like the rigid interpretation of God's in control, like those
what were those? If you ever lived in Florida, I
know we have a lot of listeners in Florida. Remember
when they used to have those signs on the I for.
You can probably still find them online. There's pictures of

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them that would say things like, let Jesus take the wheel.
My co host used to drive on the eye for.
Mike d used to drive on the Eye for to
come down to the studio to do the show. And
one time he was late. And I don't know if
Mike remembers this, but I remember Mike saying this to me.
He said, I'm sorry, I'm late. He said, I took
my hand off the wind and let Jesus drive. And

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Jesus drove me into a ditch, so I had to
get out of the ditch and I drove the rest
of the way of myself because Jesus didn't want to
help me. But just it's that kind of thing, like
I don't need medicine because Jesus is going to heal me,
But maybe Jesus put the medicine here to heal you.
Isn't this his creation? And you could find that same
interpretation of like, well, the world's meaningless and pointless. Why

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do I even have to try? Why do I have
to wear clothes? Because it's just it's all pointless. These
are like really idiotic interpretations of very sophisticated, complex spiritual concepts.
And so the point is Buddhists see comments in the
same way that Western civilization sees comments in Western religiency. Comments,

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but Buddhists in particular see it as part of the
cosmic framework, and therefore they see it in a very
scientific way and say, well, look, if it's going to
cause devastation, bring new life, okay on both accounts, because
that's the natural order of things, and we should not
try to run from it. We should not try to

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escape it. We should not certainly do those things and
lie to the public about it. We should just accept
what's going to happen. And that's maybe hard to do,
but that's kind of the whole point of Buddhism. You're
supposed to let go of your attachments to the world,
and if you don't wake up in the morning, that's okay.
It's not something to stress yourself out and make yourself
sick over. It's not something to start wars over. I

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want to have a war with Russia and China, and
I want the United States to back Israel so that
we can create an armageddon war and we can kill
millions of people with hell fire and weapons of mass destruction,
because then maybe Jesus will decide it's time to come
down off his cloud. Like that's totally objectively completely crazy

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and psychotic, homicidal, suicidal, murderous, insane, absurd, and so many
other words I don't have in my vocabulary. To just
accept the way that things are and to say, well,
it just is what it is. Then that to me
is a much more godly approach to the world to

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just accept it, to just deal with it as it is,
to not be worried. Is it a comet that's going
to destroy us? Is it an alien spaceship?

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Those things are fun to think about, but it's a
lot more rational to just sit back and say, like
I've said earlier on the show, it doesn't really matter
if it's an alien spaceship or it's not. The chances
of it being anything except another news story that will
pass and will be forgotten before we reach Christmas time.

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It'll probably be forgotten before you're done trick or treating,
and then we'll move on to the next grift, the
next scam, the next con, the next fraud that'll consume
all the social media and all the mainstream media until
the next fraud comes. And by by fraud, I just
mean like taking something that nobody knows anything about for
the most part, we just have speculations and stories and

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then turning it into like this is a confirmed thing
we know for sure, which you don't, which, ironically, the
people that are saying that are quoting Avi Lobe out
of context and then saying he is saying that it's
this big thing when his paper did not say that,
even though he's promoted these ideas. That's not what his

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paper said. They said it was a comet, and that
is likely what that object is. It is a pedagogical exercise,
which means it is an exercise in thought, and that,
ironically is the scientific process that is mirrored by Buddhism.
Buddhism is a scientific process. Live with the natural world,

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Observe it, live with it, deal with the consequences of actions,
deal with the consequences of the changing of nature and
the cycles of the cosmos. Comets are part of that,
Asteroids are part of that, Solar events are part of that.
Disease is part of that. Destruction is part of that.
Building something up from the ground is part of that.

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Everything is part of that. I mean everything is important, right.
Think about the food we eat. We have a nice meal, great,
Do we think about the chef. Do we think about
the transport of how that food got to the restaurant
or to the store for our home. Do we think
about the workers that place it on the shelf to
be bought. Do we think about the workers that picked it?
Do we think about the farmers who planted it? Do

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we think about the equipment that was manufactured to allow
the farmers to plant it and to harvest it. Do
we think about what those people have to go through
to develop that technology to make it a lot more
efficient and easy. No, but this is all part of
the process, and we should understand that things are not
so simplified, and we should not be advocating for religious
prophecies to come true if you're interpreting them as global

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cataclysmic events in the hopes that some guy in a
robe is going to come down and save you from
the global cataclysmic events. Believe me, I grew up in
that world. I grew up under the impression I was
told this God will put his hand over the country

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of Israel. And as the nuclear bombs fall from Russian
and these planes it's gonna blow up, and God's gonna
protect the Israelis from the radiation. Like this is the
kind of crazy, whacked out, psychotic disconnected from reality, the
delusional psychosis that programmed me as a child. In both

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Christian entertainment, in church Sunday School, they tell you stuff
like that. In Sunday School, they're just like, yeah, Israel's
going to be protected by God, and like we're waiting
for the bombs to throw up. Bill Hicks was so smart.
Bill Hicks was such a great comedian when he sat
there and explained, He's like what he said about armaged
and he said, you got these Christians with their finger

(01:34:39):
on the button and they've got like their eyes crossed
looking into the sky. Tell me when to press the button. Lord,
let's kill everybody for Jesus. It's like, it's totally psychotic.
He's that's such a great bits. It's totally true. I mean,
think about this. If if three i Atlas is a

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representation of the new Jerusalem, if three Atlas is a
representation of the coming Messiah, you understand that the building
of the temple implies the coming of the Antichrist. Right,
for Avi Lobe, and for Luna, and for Mattis Agrist,

(01:35:25):
and for this other member of Congress. I believe his
name is Moskowitz. For these folks, assuming we can, we
can take their beliefs to be whatever the main line
Judaic interpretation of prophecy is. They don't believe the same

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thing the Christians do. So if you're advocating for this
like Armageddon, battle with Russia, China, Israel, Gog and Magog,
you're advocating for the death of millions of people. You're
advocating for the total destruction of civilization. You're advocating for
the deterioration of all life on planet Earth, like not

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just the war itself, but what will come after the war,
whether they're nuclear, chemical weapons, whatever. You're advocating for a
global government so Jesus can save you from it. You're
advocating for, well, if you watch Left Behind cutting people's
heads off because they I guess, decided to believe in
Jesus one day, you're advocating for like horror. You're advocating

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for scenes that are demonic and wicked, that sound like
something you'd experience in hell, because you'll not have to
be subject to that you'll get to leave before that happens.
And that's like really wicked, and that I don't think
in any way, shape or form. Could you even all

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that Christian? I mean, Jesus forgives people. That's not forgiveness.
That's like, let's burn the world because well there's a
verse in Genesis about how I'm supposed to protect this country.
And also there's that thing in the Bible about some
dragon and that sounds really scary. But I don't have

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to deal with any of that because I'm going to
be taken away while everybody else gets to burn. Did
you ever see the movie? Don't look up? And at
the very end, the tech guy sitting there with the
president and her son, they you know, they have this
this plan that if they can't, first of all, they
sabotage the mission to divert the comet, and then the

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last minute before the comet is close enough to hit
the earth, they have this mission to like break into
pieces and bring it down to earth so they can
take all the material. And it's like trillions of dollars.
It'll create jobs, and it's like an anti capitalist thing,
you know, which is stupid because Hollywood is capitalist, and
it's a whole nother subject. But you watch that movie,

(01:38:05):
you know, there's that scene at the end where you like,
you know what's going to happen. The mission fails and
the guy's like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom here
real quick. And I've never seen it before until you know,
they're watching it for the first time, and I'm thinking
he's going to the spaceship. They got a backup plan.
And then the President leaves her own son there on Earth,
just leaves and goes to the ship and just flies away.

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And that's kind of how the Christian escatology, and for
that matter, of the Muslim escatology, it's like, well, we
get to go in the spaceship. You get to burn
unless you want to agree with us, and then you
can come in the spaceship too, But otherwise you get
to burn and suffer. And it's just like really crazy,
really crazy. You can't tell me that is spiritual. You

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can't tell me that that is like sophisticated conscious evolution.
That's like barbaric, that's like unevolved, that's like evil and
wicked man. That is like demonic, that is like satanic,
that is like hellish. You want to create the hellish
conditions of these like medieval paintings of Hell, which are

(01:39:10):
also misinterpretations because Hell is an ice palace. But you want,
like to turn the earth into a fireball because well,
we get to go in the ship and you don't,
which is also not a Christian or Muslim concept. It's
also it's you know Ragnarok probably well that was a
Marvel movie. Now it was a mythology before it was
a movie. But okay, but Ragnarok, the end of the world, like,

(01:39:31):
these are things that are again universal. You got the hope,
you know, the third fourth worlds destroyed by different elements.
You have the same thing in every part of the world.
So I think that if we interpret it from another
point of view. The whole point of this segment was

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to say that what about other cultures and societies, what
do they see comments? As sure, they see them as
positive or negative shifts in society, rulers change, et cetera.
I mean, it's kind of funny. Actually, there was just
a comet in south was a Southwest Japan just a
few weeks ago. It's colossal fireball, one of the biggest
in years, and I was caught on surveillance cams, etc.

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In Kshu. I believe I think that it was this
southwest of Osaka. I think maybe, but I mean it
was captured across a large area dash cams and qshue
the southernmost main island of Japan and Osaka, major city

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in the largest island. I think it's Honshoe. So it
was photographed and video over a large area and the
Japanese Prime Minister just stepped down. It's another example of
what these objects symbolize and represent. You get one of
the largest meteor is a fireball that lights up the

(01:41:04):
night sky, and two weeks later the prime minister stepped
stepped down, like literally this week the prime minister stepped down,
and this fireball was about two weeks ago, one of
the largest in I think I read a decade or more.
It's huge, massive. I actually thought it was fake or
one of those old stories, and it turned out to

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be in the news. I was like, oh, that's associated
press lit up the night sky like daytime. It's actually
scary to see something like that. But the Prime minister
stepped down. So there is an example of that's what
our ancestors saw. That's what people that came before us
saw and that's what the whole world sees. But if

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you take it a step further, a comt is just
a reminder that life is fleeting. Enjoy life, and if
you're going to die, there's no reason to kill each
other to get to the spaceship. Just gonna die, which is,
you know, kind of funny. If you watch that movie,
don't look up what happened. They spent how many trillions

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of dollars to build a spaceship. Like half of the
people that actually made it on the spaceship made it
to this next planet. And then they get to the planet,
they're all naked. It's like a garden of Eden, and
then they all get eaten by these aliens as soon
as they get off the ship. It's like, you can't
outrun death. I mean, if I knew that there was
a comet coming it was going to destroy the Earth,

(01:42:28):
I'd want to survive. But I mean, ultimately, what are
you gonna do? And that's kind of the Buddhist way
of looking at it. There's nothing that you can do.
Just accept it. I remember that scene in the movie
twenty twelve, you have that Buddhist monk in Tibet and
accepted that he was going to die. And he's up
there in the mountains and he just rings the bell

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to let people know the wave is coming, say goodbye.
This is nothing you can do about it. And even
if you get on the ship, you're gonna go get
eaten by some blog block alien or whatever that thing
was in the movie, which the I thought that part
was actually funny. The AI predicted the president was going
to die by being eaten by some like I forget
the name. I think I started with a B. It
was like borg dlaflock alien. We don't really know what

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that is. We're not really sure what that is yet,
but we think you're gonna be eaten by one based
on what the AI assessed. And then she gets on
the planet and gets eaten eaten by this thing. It's
like someone said, what's that? I believe that's ub looks look,
oh man. It's so that that movie was like infuriating
but also like good. But anyway, the point is I

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tried to look at this from an outside perspective, from
another cultural or religious context, and this is what we got.
We got the Buddhist interpretation, which is, you know, culturally
and regionally the different country. Everybody sees comments in the
same way. A Buddhists in particular see it as a
harbinger of the cycles of nature. And if you were

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to asked the same question about Hinduism, for example, how
does Hinduism view a comet? I mean, Buddhism came out
of Hinduism, so how does Hinduism view commets? It's an
important question considering that Christianity also came out of Hinduism,
and so did Islam and Judaism and everything else where
did you know, in part at least, where did it

(01:44:21):
come from? What do they think about comments, especially considering
that the Indian texts are really scientific and they are
like every other society. Indian societies. They believe that their
importance of calamities, famines, war, death, et cetera. They are

(01:44:42):
viewed by oracles who look at their appearance, their shape,
their direction, the duration the sky. They analyze to predict
certain outcomes. You know, a certain shape of the comet
might indicate a particular societal or natural event that's going
to happen down below. Commets are sometimes associated with cosmic
disruption or divine will. They are the manifestation of celestial forces,

(01:45:07):
so agne for example, which is fire, and some narratives
they're linked to the wrath of the gods or cosmic
cycles of creation and destruction. So the Hindus see it
basically the same way. Commets are also believed to influence
earthly events based on the position that they take among
the stars. So it depends on what lunar mansion they're in,

(01:45:31):
and that's going to affect what kind of byproduct it
produces down below, as above, so below, And this can
be interpreted overall for a country, for a kingdom, for
an individual community, for an individual in a community, and
people might do certain rituals to mitigate the negative impacts.

(01:45:54):
In Hinduism, the broader philosophical framework emphasizes just like Buddhism,
because that is where it comes from, detachment from worldly events.
Some spiritual interpretations might view a comet as a reminder
of the impermanence of nature and the material world. That
is to say, maya encouraging devotion to dharma and liberation.
And these are the things that if you are to

(01:46:16):
understand kind of like we talked about with Atlas earlier,
and the sister and the father Zeus. These are metaphors
for certain natural phenomena and the order and nature of
the universe. Well, these comets in Hinduism remind us of
the impermanence of nature in the material world, and they

(01:46:37):
also encourage you to devote yourself to dharma. And for
those of you who don't know what dharma is, dharma
it's a very very famous concept. But dharma is the
moral and cosmic order that governs the universe. So it's
basically what we learned about Buddhism. Commets are all those

(01:46:58):
other things everybody else sees them to be. But in
religious terms, if you see a comet and you don't
know if it brings destruction, you don't know if it
brings chaos, you don't know if it brings peace, whatever,
what you're seeing is something that is an indicator that
you should probably devote yourself even more to dharma, which
is the moral and cosmic order, and just understand that

(01:47:20):
this is the natural order of the universe and you
should try to live in harmony with that. This is
what the Whirling Dervishes are all about. I think they're
in Turkey and other parts of that part of the world.
But you should act ethical, you should be responsible. Of course,
Indian society doesn't really take much of that into consideration anymore.
But that's the concept in the way of dharma. It's

(01:47:45):
a complex subject. And I mean, if you're an American,
you can see, you know, the way that a lot
of Indian folks behave in the United States. You're like,
these people don't have any manners, they don't have any respect,
they don't take showers. Did they forget about dharma? You
could ask the same thing about the Muslims. You could
ask the same thing about the Christians. These are complex things.

(01:48:08):
You can't just assume people are one thing because of
their association or affiliation with some religion or some part
of the world. You have to really have an open
mind to the context of individuals, of communities, of religions
and the way that they see the world. And the
way that these people see the world in Buddhism and
the way that these people see the world in Hinduism

(01:48:29):
is that it's part of the natural, cosmic order of things.
There's nothing you can do about it. Just accept it. Now, again,
I'm not saying just for the record, I'm not saying
that I would be opposed to diverting a large object
that was getting close to Earth and was going to
destroy the planet. I'm all for that, but that doesn't

(01:48:50):
mean that if it failed and the Earth got destroyed
and I knew I had like an hour left, I
don't think I'm going to try to dig a hole
and survive it, because I don't think that you can
do that. So it's just about accepting what is. And again,
this is all about the perspective of the Judeo Christian

(01:49:13):
Islamic eschatology as it relates to the three I Atlas
object as a Messianic character, as a harbinger of the
end times, as a symbol of the Messiah, as a

(01:49:34):
symbol of the New Jerusalem, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And that's kind of the point of tonight's show is
to get you to consider or to reconsider your perspectives
on these types of subjects, be them related to UFOs,

(01:49:55):
related to UAPs, related to these objects in the sk
it's really important to yes, keep an open mind, which
is the whole point of Auviy Lobe's paper, Keep an
open mind. But it's probably just a comment and I'll
add dot dot dot. Keep an open mind. It's probably

(01:50:18):
just a comment. And also you'll forget about it, like
you got neuralized by the time Christmas comes. And if
I'm wrong, okay, don't care. It's not really the point.
It's not about being right or wrong. And that's something
else I'd like to emphasize. You know, you have you

(01:50:41):
have podcasts and radio shows where people want to be right,
and if you question what they're saying because you're curious,
then you get these nasty responses from people. It's like,
I'm not you might be right. That's not the point
is I'm just want to look at it from another angle.

(01:51:04):
You know. I did that show in Image three seventy
on Friday. I thought it turned out excellent. If you
miss that show, you should. We even had Mike d
call in for the last forty five minutes. You should
go back and listen to that show, the Image three
seventy show. And on that show, I talked about that
video of the orbs around Image three seventy and I said, well,

(01:51:28):
based on the videos themselves and based on the stock footage,
it appears that these are fake videos. Well, Ashton Forbes,
who is just on info Wars this week he has
been like trolling my ex page now because I don't
think the video is real. And I told him, I said,

(01:51:53):
you know, you know, Ashton Forbes, I think you're protesting
a little bit too much. And now you you firmly
convinced me that the US military and the UK government
had something to do with the disappearance of the plane.
The fact that you don't debate it or discuss it
rationally and you just block people and yell at people
who don't agree with it tells me that you're probably

(01:52:15):
either directly or indirectly working for the FEDS. You're like
the FBI that sat on the data, or you're like
the intelligence agent that came to one of the family
members and said, yeah, the US government knows what happened. Okay.
But the point is it's the same thing with three atlas.
If you're like, yeah, I don't think that's what Abilow's
paper said, so you don't believe in UFOs, It's like that,

(01:52:39):
isn't that that has nothing to do with what I said.
What I said was his paper didn't say what you're saying.
It said. And then again next month when the thing
arrives and nothing happens. There's there's no like shift or change.
These people just pivot to something, some new scam, some
new con which is why I tell people don't quote

(01:53:01):
me like, oh I heard Ryan say this, This is
the truth. It's not about me telling you the truth
because I don't have all the answers. It's just about
thinking critically. It's just about processing information and considering other
points of view, like the Hindu or the Buddhist point
of view, considering that it's probably not a good idea

(01:53:27):
to want to start World War three over interpretations of
religious prophecy. It would probably be a lot more rational
to just view something like this comment with an open mind,
to say, well, you know, I don't really know what
it is, but I'm open to any possibility. And if

(01:53:50):
it destroys the earth, it does. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
If it passes by and everybody forgets great, which is
probably what it's going to do. And if it's an
alien spaceship, we'll deal with that too. It's something you
you deal with, and you and you you consider possibilities.
You don't latch onto one and become a zealot for it.
That does not help anybudy. But it does lead to conflict,

(01:54:13):
it does lead to war, it does lead to very
bad things happening. Last, but not least, there was a
UFO hearing in Congress. I believe it was on the ninth,
so I think this was yesterday. The time zones are

(01:54:34):
very different obviously where I am, so what that would
have been. Would that have been like late night Tuesday Tuesday,
or like early super early morning Wednesday my time? I
don't know anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
I skimmed through some of this report and I was
I can say I wasn't shocked to see once again
that it's a lot of the same stuff that we've
always heard, that we've always seen. I could play some

(01:55:10):
of it for you. I listened to the George Knapp
part of the testimony. But as I said, I think
on a show earlier this year, I don't believe this
is about disclosure. I think it's about closure. I think
it's about taking the UFO archive, slightly, opening it up

(01:55:34):
just a little bit to get people interested in the
subject again, and then rewriting the narrative in contemporary terms
so that it allows for the military, for the intelligence community,
for the government, for other governments, for private corporations, for
big technology companies to continue to do their work and

(01:55:55):
their research under the cover of ufolks, which is now
an admitted thing that they've been doing for what seventy
five years anyway, Plus so many of these people have
been caught selling fake stories. These UFO whistleblower parties are
nothing but yeah, they're just everybody gets together and hey,
I remember you from the UFO conference. Let's tell the
government what we already know. And there's Corbel sitting in

(01:56:17):
the audience behind George Knapp, the guy that sold fake videos.
It's like and the members of Congress don't even know
enough about it to ask the question, like, mister Corbel,
did you or did you not also sell a fake
video from a military base in Palm Springs. Isn't it
verifiable that that was a set of flarares? Mister Corbel,

(01:56:42):
you open the door for these people to come to
these these skiff meetings and they don't come, they don't
show up, They get the skiff flu even that Representative
Luna said that they just don't show up. So if
you don't have any information to bring to a skiff
to something that's secret, off the record and closed behind
doors and secluded from the public and the government for

(01:57:02):
that matter, like it's super secret. Don't you don't have
knowledge to bring to that, then what are you doing?
They don't show up, so it's just stories and it's convinced.
I'm being convinced every day that this is about closing
the UFO file, not disclosing the UFO file. And hey,

(01:57:27):
in a lot of ways through a atlas and the
way it's been presented is it feels like something similar
to that as well. All right, I'm Ryan Gabled. This
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(01:59:16):
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