April 18, 2025 • 31 mins
Mike and Chris slip into the shadows with Identity Crisis, Columbo’s espionage-laced foray into cloak-and-dagger territory. Directed by none other than Patrick McGoohan—who also stars as a smug, sartorially superior spy—this episode finds the Lieutenant matching wits with a killer who’s as cool as he is cold-blooded. The guys dive into the episode’s slick style, surreal touches, and McGoohan’s unmistakable fingerprints all over the production. Is this Columbo at its most cerebral—or just a secret agent detour too far? Join the investigation and find out.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome to the Shabby Detective, yet another Colombo podcast. I'm
your host, Mike whitecho and me, of course is mister Christashu.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Just one more thing. I feel almost personally attacked by
this episode of Colombo in a very unique way that
I'll be breaking down as we talk about it, because
almost from minute one, this episode feels like a personal
attack on me in particular, maybe anyone who's ever enjoyed
in air quotations the prisoner.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
We are talking about identity crisis. It is the third
episode of the fifth season, written by William driscoll. A
whole lot of Patrick mcgoin in this episode. He directed it.
He stars as Nelson Brenner. We've also got the return
of Leslie Nielsen. Apparently he figured out what a dud
Susan Clark was well after she went to jail, and
(01:10):
he decided to become a secret agent. And now he's back.
And this is a very unusual episode of all about
subterfuge and the CIA and all this stuff. Originally he
dropped on November two, nineteen seventy five. This is a
ninety three minute episode and you can tell there's a
lot of padding in this, but I will let the
(01:33):
cat out of the bag. I like the padding stuff
even more than I like the actual episode itself, because
the whole thing of the spy stuff, I don't give
a shit about any of that.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'll go with step further, I don't give a fuck
about any of it because it is John lecare. It
is not good more like John led dummy Am I am?
I right, folks, that's a dead I was not disappointed
because again, like you buried the lead last time, and
that this was a lesser episode of the show in
(02:08):
a lot of ways, especially by the approximation of the
fan base of the show. Patrick mcgoin and Leslie Nielsen
walking around is not as interesting as I think they
thought it was, and then the setting of the episode
overall also not as interesting as they thought it was,
is what it feels like. I wish that there was
more of the CIA stuff, but again to your point,
(02:28):
given how poorly done it is, I'm glad that there
wasn't because I'm not sure more of arguably what is
the worst part of the episode would have been better.
But I feel like if they had taken more swings,
they might have actually landed something to do with the
spy stuff. It's almost like they keep giving up right
when they get going with it, and it's like either
commit or don't, but don't half ass it, because this
(02:50):
feels very much like we want to do a spy
thing in the world of Colombo, and we're just not
sure if those two worlds mix. And to your point,
I'm not sure that per this episode's execution, they do mix.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Last time we were talking about diplomatic community and that
we had to get around that this one kind of
the same thing. As far as you're dealing with much
larger forces than the lapd right should really be a
responsible bailiwick. Yes, And I am so glad that doing
(03:27):
these episodes of The Shabby Detective allowed me to really
sit down and read a lot about these particular episodes
of Colombo. And I'm so glad that I was able
to because I think it's the first time I ever
could actually figure out what the hell was going on
in this episode, because I never understood why Patrick mcgoin
(03:49):
shows up at one point with the big fake nose
and the wig Simon hat and yes, Simon's.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
He doesn't exist. He hasn't existed the whole time.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
None of these guys exists. All these names are fake,
and I'm like, I love Roger Thorne Hill and George
Kaplin and all those kind of things with north By Northwest,
but this was Geronimo And I'm like, I could not
care at all if you pain me, if you paid
me to pay attention to this episode. It is tough man.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, it's a real drag, and I mean that literally.
It drags a lot. And what's funny is, to your point,
the parts of the episode that are more interesting are
the parts that effectively have nothing to do with the
spy stuff quote unquote or again like the Patrick McGowan
spy stuff and look, I get it, and let's just
(04:43):
get it out of the way here. Yes, Patrick McGowin
was from The Prisoner, which is a spy TV show.
I would say it's one of the still pre eminent
spy TV shows of a certain time. It definitely influenced
a lot of things post it. It had a remake
in the mid it had a common book. It's well
regarded by the fans, even though, my god, the ending
(05:05):
of that show is one of the worst endings I've
ever seen of a TV show. You and I talked
about it I think privately, like, the Prisoner's not great.
No matter how good Patrick mcgoin is, he can't save
how bad that show becomes. And I'm not sure. I
wanted to watch an episode of Columba that reminds me
of how bad The Prisoner is almost from the get go,
(05:25):
because he says, be seeing you on the phone. That's
like how he ends his first monologue to Leslie Nielsen.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And yeah, I think he says it again within a
few minutes. Yes, Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Does Arnold Schwarzenegger have to say I'll be back in
every movie he's in? Now? How do we characterize and
explain it? If the barbarian says I'll be back, is
it always Arnold? Then is he just off screen waiting
in the wings. I don't know why you would do
it other than just like a wink and a nod,
But again, a wink and a nod to a thing
that wasn't exactly lighting up the set top boxes across
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the nation. The Prisoner is good, but the Prisoner also
is I think more important now than it maybe was
when it came out. At least that's the read I've
gotten of it in the subsequent years. Since working on
the one season show and talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It and McGowin. His influence carries over not just from
his performance, but since he is the director, he seems
to have a lot of influence on Fulk as well,
because Fulk is not necessarily being Colombo in this episode
the very first time we see him, and I do
like this opening shot, like we cut from McGowin about
(06:35):
to bring Leslie Nielsen with a tire iron, and then
cut and we have walking. You can see the smoke
from a cigar and he's lit from behind by these
lights from a police truck of some sort that probably
patrols the beach. Very stylized. But then once he shows up,
he's just crazy cuckaboo. He's just looking around and asks
(06:58):
everybody to leave. And then the way that he's down
on the ground and everything. I'm just like, okay, that's
but at the same time it's not. But I'm like,
don't you have more of a hold on this character
that you could. I don't know if you just didn't
want to fight against McGowan or if he's just having
such a good time with me. So yeah, you know what,
I'll try it.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I would just do all kinds of stuff I would
air on the ladder side because Patrick McGowan and Folk
were friends. We've talked about that before. I would air
on the side of that. I think it's one of
those things where it's, well, let's do something different. I
just don't think it works very well because unfortunately, the
show's not called Murder, she wrote. The show's called Colombo.
(07:37):
It's about him, like murder, she wrote. There are episodes
of murder, she wrote, that do not have Angela Lansburgh
and the like, where it's like this was an adventure
that they were having off on the other coast. It's wait,
what the fuck? I had never seen that. My girlfriend
and I were sitting and watching Murder, she wrote, the
other night, and I was asleep a little or I
was awake a little longer than she was. In one
(07:57):
of those episodes came on. I was like, wait a second,
she's not even in this episode. Shit, this is not Murder.
She right, it's something else. It's and again. But it's
that spinofftization of things that the seventies was so popular
with television. But here it's I don't understand why Colombo
(08:20):
becomes like this bumbling dummy in this episode and plays
a typical other than Patrick McGowan, going let's do something
different for the hell of it. And it's like, but
why this is working? Like this is a well oiled
machine for the most part. Stop gunking it up with
your bullshit.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And why is Columbo suddenly this weird, lascivious guy who's
just oggling that poor belly dancers, Like what the attention
to your job? Like you got val Avery here ready
to talk about his old days of being a cop,
and I'm sure he was a shit cop with the
way that he's running this bar now and everything. And
(08:58):
my wife didn't like how the hours I kept. Now
I'm here every day till two o'clock running this bar,
and I'm like, okay, Like this guy's somewhat interesting sitting
right there with Bruce Kirby. I'm like, yeah, these are
all the classes who have Vito Scoti's in this episode
as well.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I love hearing his name every time. I'm like, Mike's
gonna say his name if he's in the credits, Mike's
gonna say it. He's great. And we get a lot
of the regulars, but they're just like the version of
Colombo they're interacting with. Is not the version of Colombo
that I want in this episode? Is the biggest problem
for you the way Colombo acts in this episode? Because
I think for me it may be. In fact, the
(09:36):
biggest issue is just you can't take a character who
fifth season, third episode, we are into a third of
the way into this show. What are we doing here?
We're not gonna change it up all of a sudden.
They're not gonna learn how to throw a knuckleball in
the ninth inning. Stop it. This needed to be the
way the character was from the get go, not a
(09:58):
game time decision because we think that this episode can
stand it. Did they want Patrick mcgoin to be the
main character of the episode? Is that what the deal is?
Also feels like that he's a little bit of the
main character. It almost feels like he's justified in killing
Leslie Nielsen in a lot of ways. Leslie Nielsen's not
We've had this before with Columbo, where the people getting
(10:18):
got are not necessarily great people on their own and
Leslie Nielsen great example of that. A shithead, like a
shithead in his own right. But the episode almost feels
like it's justifying his death by the way he's characterized,
and that's a very weird thing for Columbo to do,
because Colombo rarely does that. If it does that at.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
All, why would you say that Leslie Nielsen is a
shit headed just.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
The way he's dressed, the way that he acts. In
my mind, between Leslie Nielsen and Patrick McGowin, Patrick McGowin
seems almost justified in killing Leslie Nielsen because Leslie Nielsen's
holding him over a barrel for the money he owes
him and Patrick McGowin doesn't want to pay him. You
know what happens when you don't want to split the money.
There's one less bank robber. The way Leslie Nielsen's dressed
(11:01):
as well, Like he's characterized very broadly as a slick guy.
This is Leslie Nielsen. I'm so used to seeing Leslie
Nielsen in a comedic setting on top of everything else.
This is like one of two dramatic settings I've seen
him in, But he plays villainous rather Maybe it's just
me reading him as villainous. I don't know. Maybe that
wasn't your takeaway.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, I was just curious as far as how that went,
and there was At the same time, he's nice to
the guy who is running the shooting gallery and the
way that it's just I don't need this big, stupid panda.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But then.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Patrick McGowan is, yeah, sure I'll do that, and then
I'll go talk creepily to this little girl.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Although do you like Archibald, I'm sick, dude, get out
of here. Yeah, he's not doing himself any favors. But
that's the thing. Like again, the episode almost feels like
it's trying to justify what he's doing because against CIA,
and like this guy is he's going rogue because he's
expecting to uphold his end of the bark. I don't
(12:01):
know if they could have done this without involving it
as a spy thing. I think it would have been
better without the spy overtones, because again they just don't
do enough. But I don't think that's the real issue
with this episode for me. I do think the issue
is just the characterization of Colombo very much as atypical
and if Peter Falk wanted to play Columbo differently, maybe
(12:23):
just go star like guest star on something and play
a detective like.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
The scenes that he's in without MacGowan and the scenes
that Magowan are not in are relatively decent, like when
he's talking with the redheaded photographer and trying to put
together the larger picture of things. When he I'm trying
to remember he says to somebody like, I'm about to
show you some pictures of a murdered person. Please don't
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panic type of thing. I'm like, okay, well that's good.
I like this Colombo that I'm seeing here. But whenever
he's on screen with McGowan, and when mcgoon's on screen,
it's just a enough please.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Being like practically there being like physical comedy, like ding dongs,
like Peter Falk jumping into McGowan's car and like leaning
all the way over, like what in the hell is
going on? It feels like they're just having a good time,
which is fine, but do not compromise the quality of
the product, because you want to have a good time
with your friends. Because we sit here and do this
all the time, and we try not to compromise the
(13:23):
quality of what we're doing because we digress too much.
It feels like just almost an episode long digression. What
would Columbo be like if he was more of an
idiot like this? I guess okay, and some.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Of those deliveries that mcgoon gives, whereas did you hear
the chimes? Did you count them?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
YoY? They're having a good time, They're enjoying themselves way
too much. They're mugging. Colombo takes his trench coat off.
When does that happen?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I know? And it's not because he's wearing a gun
holster on his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The butler comes and takes it and he's like, all right,
he doesn't look so shabby in this episode. This is
a shabby list detective. Is it supposed to be funny?
Is it supposed to be like comical comedic? Like? If
it is, it's not a success. No. No.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I love the scene of him and Vidoscoti where they're
talking and they actually start talking Italian and everything. I'm like, oh,
this is really nice. I enjoy seeing the guy that
played Larry Tate from Bewitched to show up as the.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
CIA main guy. That's so weird too.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
When they're meeting at that train I think it is,
and all those people are waiting outside can we get
on this ride? I'm like, this is the worst meeting
place that you guys could possibly pick, because you have
all of these civilians outside.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, somebody had a real bad idea like this will
draw attention to us, said no one ever. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So strange, like why would you do this?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I also like the idea of someone being like next
to Patrick McGowin, who has seen him before, and going,
I don't recognize him anymore because he has a mustache
and some glasses on. Come on, Yeah, the old page
moved back a little bit. I see. It's a bit
of a fucking stretch Columbo, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Oh, it's just the worst type of photo doctoring in
the world. There's no excuse for that in movies these days,
but I still see shitty photographs like that, where it's oh,
here's me as a younger man, and it's either take
a photo from something else that you were in. But
some of the ones that they even have now are's
(15:35):
just like that doesn't look like you, or that's like
the worst job of pasting two celebrities together to be like, oh,
here's my friend Nicholas Cage over here. No guys take
a photo together and then I don't know the aged
or something. By the way they paste things in, it's
just nasty. And this photo here is one of the
worst jobs I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Is it as bad as the one in Captain America
Brave New World with Harris and Forward and Live Tyler,
because that one's pretty bad that you like you're twenty five. Oh,
that's it's true. It's truly shocking that we could still
get to the twenty first century and like faked photography
looks cause again it's the idea of we're just gonna
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be on screen for a second, and that second will
not get remembered, but it's like it will just for
the wrong reasons. And on top of everything else, to
your point, this is not just a second. This is Oh,
we're coming back to it, and we're coming back to
I'm like, god, stop coming back to it. Stop going
back to it at this point, like, for the love
of god, it's like how Joss Whedon had that mustache
(16:39):
on Superman. Oh good, It's like we're trying to cover
up the mouth. By doing that, you drew more attention
to it, Like it's the Barber Striy sand effect, right,
Like you can't undo the attention that these things are getting.
And yeah, having it on screen and just stop, no,
please stop. This looks as goofy and what am I
supposed to do? Not laugh? Like again, it's unintentionally comedic,
(17:01):
is what it feels like. And this is not an
unintentionally comedic show. When the show is comedic, it has
intent behind it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
If the CIA or FBI could do such a good
job lift doctoring that photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald to
have that newspaper and the gun, where then screw up
the shadow and we're going to see an episode where
there's a shadow under somebody's nose that gives away the
entire crime. That's like a few years from now. But
even that was better than what we're seeing here, where
(17:29):
it's here's this horrible photo with this pasted on Patrick
mcgo and face, and then yeah, we're gonna keep going
back to it, and then we're gonna get here he
is with the old man makeup on. I'm like, oh gosh,
this is so nasty.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And the old man makeup Dear God in Heaven plastic scene,
just like when he's meeting with Otis Young. It's just like,
dear God, like he would recognize him, like he's just
a guy with a bold cap and a mustache. Sounds
like Patrick McGough. And again we go back to not
to jump all the way to the end, but we
go back to that. Speaking of with putting on disguise,
(18:06):
there were more believable disguises than the Charlie's Angels movies
than this. The way that this episode plays out and
the how catch him of it all, Wow, this feels
like one we've seen before.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's totally one we've seen before. This is Robert Culp
with that anniversary.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's what I thought. Yeah, But then at.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The same time, that's when they give us the double twist,
because first off, we hear the opening or closing of
the blinds, so we don't know when. But then Columbus, Hey,
at six o'clock in the morning, the sun hits your desk,
and then mcgolan cuts them off basically, and it's just like,
you hear the chime.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Best part of the entire episode.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Somebody actually made a song of that. I'm going to
put that at the end of this episode. It's pretty amazing.
So you hear the chimes, and then it's the whole
thing about the Chinese pulling out of the Olympics that
he had to put that in the speech, so it's like, oh,
it's not exactly. The Robert Culp thing with the was
that like the ding dong ice cream?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, something to that effect. I think about the ice
cream melting.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, or the no chlorine in that fresh water ice yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Geez said Lord, Look, we talked about like technology and
Colombo right plenty of times, and here it is, once
again technology being used to catch the criminal. I don't
think this would hold up in court. I don't think so.
I really don't like. And that's again that's like the
modernization in me of oh the poke holes in it,
(19:38):
oh cinema sins. But that law hasn't changed that much
in this long for this to not seem like circumstantial evidence.
And we all know this guy working for the CIA.
They're just gonna be like, he didn't do anything I
saw American made with Tom Cruise. They get people out
of jail all the time by just showing up flashing
their badge. You're not gonna be in jail for very long.
(20:00):
He's a CIA asset. What the fuck, give me a break.
It's almost the inverse of the last episode, right where
last episode is like a diplomatic immunity. This is like
diplomatic idiocy, Like this is just stupid. This is idiotic
to me, because this guy's not going to be in prison.
He's not going to stay in jail. The US government's
gonna bail him out. If he's this valuable of an asset.
(20:23):
Why wouldn't they They have no reason not.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
To, exactly, And this whole season so far, because the
first one was Forgotten Lady, where he doesn't arrest janetly
for that and right, yeah, it's only under threat of
being cut up into little Koshoge sized pieces that gets
Hector Alezondo to do a full confession. But yeah, it's
(20:46):
just bizarre then, yeah, because there is no recompense for
this guy at all. I don't believe that he's going
to have anything happen other than just a little handslap.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
No, yeah, and that's again the episode is set up
that way. Look at how important this operative is, and
look at how important this other operative is. These two
guys have been doing this for a while and there's
nothing that's going to stop them other than one another,
which is what ends up happening. But within that world,
the only people that can do anything about one another. Coincidentally,
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as we get ready to record an episode of a
mafia themed show that we're doing. The real people that
can only do anything about spies within the world of
spies are other spies. And that's why we have Patrick
mcgoin killing Leslie Nielsen ultimately being that ends up being
how he gets handled is by the other spy. The
cops I e. Colombo in this situation are two out
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of their depth to be useful. It's absurd, frankly.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And by the way, I don't know what language I'm
agoin is supposed to be speaking to those Asian people,
but it just sounded totally made up to me. His
two butlers, I guess they are. And I'm like, I
supposed to be trying to speak Chinese because that doesn't
look like any year sound like any Chinese.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I haven't heard tagalog maybe, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Like I was like, I think you're just making up stuff.
Oh shoot, shonghses just whow.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, it's like Wesley Snipes and Demolition.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's what almost got Stephen Colbert canceled all those years ago.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Wait is that for real? I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, he was making fun of something and he was
just like something something the ching Chong.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I remember that. Now you remember
that nothing will be as nothing will be as funny,
and again like funny, as subjective as the fake Asian
names of those airline pilots that that the plane crashed
on the tarmac in San Francisco some ting Wong bang
ding aw, holy fuk and we too low. See that's
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the kind of stupidity I can get behind, only because
they got somebody to say it out loud. Yes, I
can acknowledge it's pretty un pc, but yeah, no shit again,
Patrick McGowen doing a fake aged accent in a filmed
show that's put out by that's on Peacock TV right
now is a little bit different because it did sound Again,
(23:12):
maybe he was just their colonizers, right, the British. They
don't fucking care. Fuck it? Who cares? Is blah blah blah,
al right, yeah they believed it. Who cares?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, sure, just shanghai them and pulled them over from
Hong Kong.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, just like it's fine, nobody cares. Let's get to
the Peter folks stuff. Is this the last time that
magoon comes back? Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
No, no, no, decent here quite a few more times.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh dear, I am not enjoying this second iteration of him.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
No much better in the first right, oh.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Way, Night and Day difference.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, I don't know if they let him run as
Rampant and some of those other ones. I'm pretty sure
he's in two more, I want to say, for sure,
one of the ABC years, so it comes back all
those years later. I want to see maybe one more
during this original run, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The ABC years.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yes, so postseason what is that?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Season seven eight? We're halfway there already.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
So I know I'm gonna be talking about George Went
in no time.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I can't wait waiting for Went.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
That's a very Samuel Beckett type of thing.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I think that spies and cops when mixed rarely work
because the scope and scale of the things are two
very different things. It's two very different worlds. Like we
talked about it in our ranking on Bond Show, which
you can find on our respective patreons, when James Bond
interacts with the local cops, like it happens very infrequently,
like when does it happen in James Bond if not
(24:52):
like JW. Pepper, and is that it is Sean Connery
interacting with cops? If anything James Bond is like on
the run from the cops if he ever interacts with them,
because they think that spies and cops like spies, are
meant to be clandestine. That's the point. That's literally the
point of spies not meeting on a fucking train on
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the Santa Monica. Pete, dear God, out in the open.
Here's my Cia badge. Okay, I have.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Very bed news, which is that McGowan actually comes back,
but as just a director, in the final episode of
this season, which I think is probably the lowest. I
don't know if the ABC years get lower than this,
but last of the Loot to the Commodore. I'm just
putting it out there right now. Probably my least favorite
(25:43):
episode of Colombo ever.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Oh dear God, Patrick McGowan being involved once again.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But fortunately the next episode that we talk about a
matter of honor with Riccardo montel Bond, which is directed
by Ted Post who's one of the most solid directors
that they have working for them, I think is a
lot of fun, and that one, again only seventy minutes,
clocks along very quickly, and again it's a strange one
because this whole season is a weird season, what with
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Colombo in the world of diplomatic immunity in spies, and
next time he's going to go down to Mexico and
talk about some bullfighting.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Speaking at James Bond, Pedro Almondaries and Pedro Peterroromondaris was
in James Bond and Pedro Armondaries. Junior also in James
Bond and Junior is in the next episode. And I'm
surprised Maltavon was never a James Bond villain. Frankly, No.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
He was in Naked Gun though, so that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, but he could have been a Bond villain. Just
think he could. He could have been opposite Roger Morris Scaramanga. Really, yes,
look you got fucking nick Knack, you got her villages
right there. Yeah, exactly. I'm excited. I love Ricardo Maltibon,
and I like the idea of something to do with bullfighting,
which seems very old world compared to the world of
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the CIA.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, hopefully you will enjoy it quite a bit. I
seem to remember that one very fondly, So hopefully we'll
have a fun time with that until we come back
and talk about that. Chris, what are you working on
these days?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You can find everything that you and I work on
over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com, which is where this show
and your show, The Projection Booth, and my show, The
Culture Cast, and Susan Lambert show, ADTV Ladies, and Mark
Begley's show Cambridge and with Sean and so many other
great shows Father Malone's Midnight Viewing can be found, and
(27:37):
you should go find them other than at mine and
Mike's respective patreonspatreon dot com slash Projection Booth or patreon
dot com slash Culturecast, where you can find rankin on Bond,
which we do with our friend Richard HadAM on the
aforementioned James Bond. So that's the thing that you are
into hearing us talk about spy things that don't suck
for the most part, and I can't promise they're all
(27:57):
not bad, but most I think we've had overwhelmingly good
time with most of the things we've watched with the
Ranking on Bond podcast. Heading over there to check that out.
That's where everything I work on can be found, and
for the most part, you as well.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
If you're bored and lonely and meet somebody to talk to,
tough luck, you can only listen to the projection booth.
You can't talk back. Just go on over to weirdingwaimedia
dot com check out the projection booth and check out
all those other fine shows. And until we come back
next month to talk about some bullfighting. I want to
thank John Walker for our beginning theme song and Colin
(28:33):
Gallagher for our end theme song. Though Colin Mike get
preempted for that amazing Patrick McGowin eleven chime song. I
might just throw him in after that because we got
to give love to the man, you know, Yeah, that's
probably the best part of this episode is somebody making
a song out of it. So until then, keep being shabby.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Why don't you play the tape? Carry on from there
and you will see that in fact, it had to
be night.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Any particular sections.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right on from there. Now you listen very carefully. First
of all, I'll show you the bottom of my feet.
One foot still has a cabinet. Yes, sir, I heard
you had the chimes. Did you call them? Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
There are you had the chimes and did them? Yes
you had the chimes?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Did you call them?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
You have the chiese? Did you you had the times?
Did you call them yes, you have the Chianese. You them, Yes,
you have the times and you call them. Yes, there
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are in leaven You had the giants, did you Yes,
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you had the giants.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Did you call them?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yes, you had the giants, Yes, you had the giants them.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, there are eleven eleven. So it had to be
eleven o'clock at night. It could not have been eleven
o'clock in the morning. You can check with my secretary. No, Sarah,
couldn't have been at night. Couldn't have been night
Welcome to the Shabby Detective, yet another Colombo podcast. I'm
your host, Mike whitecho and me, of course is mister Christashu.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Just one more thing. I feel almost personally attacked by
this episode of Colombo in a very unique way that
I'll be breaking down as we talk about it, because
almost from minute one, this episode feels like a personal
attack on me in particular, maybe anyone who's ever enjoyed
in air quotations the prisoner.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
We are talking about identity crisis. It is the third
episode of the fifth season, written by William driscoll. A
whole lot of Patrick mcgoin in this episode. He directed it.
He stars as Nelson Brenner. We've also got the return
of Leslie Nielsen. Apparently he figured out what a dud
Susan Clark was well after she went to jail, and
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he decided to become a secret agent. And now he's back.
And this is a very unusual episode of all about
subterfuge and the CIA and all this stuff. Originally he
dropped on November two, nineteen seventy five. This is a
ninety three minute episode and you can tell there's a
lot of padding in this, but I will let the
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cat out of the bag. I like the padding stuff
even more than I like the actual episode itself, because
the whole thing of the spy stuff, I don't give
a shit about any of that.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'll go with step further, I don't give a fuck
about any of it because it is John lecare. It
is not good more like John led dummy Am I am?
I right, folks, that's a dead I was not disappointed
because again, like you buried the lead last time, and
that this was a lesser episode of the show in
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a lot of ways, especially by the approximation of the
fan base of the show. Patrick mcgoin and Leslie Nielsen
walking around is not as interesting as I think they
thought it was, and then the setting of the episode
overall also not as interesting as they thought it was,
is what it feels like. I wish that there was
more of the CIA stuff, but again to your point,
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given how poorly done it is, I'm glad that there
wasn't because I'm not sure more of arguably what is
the worst part of the episode would have been better.
But I feel like if they had taken more swings,
they might have actually landed something to do with the
spy stuff. It's almost like they keep giving up right
when they get going with it, and it's like either
commit or don't, but don't half ass it, because this
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feels very much like we want to do a spy
thing in the world of Colombo, and we're just not
sure if those two worlds mix. And to your point,
I'm not sure that per this episode's execution, they do mix.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Last time we were talking about diplomatic community and that
we had to get around that this one kind of
the same thing. As far as you're dealing with much
larger forces than the lapd right should really be a
responsible bailiwick. Yes, And I am so glad that doing
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these episodes of The Shabby Detective allowed me to really
sit down and read a lot about these particular episodes
of Colombo. And I'm so glad that I was able
to because I think it's the first time I ever
could actually figure out what the hell was going on
in this episode, because I never understood why Patrick mcgoin
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shows up at one point with the big fake nose
and the wig Simon hat and yes, Simon's.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
He doesn't exist. He hasn't existed the whole time.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
None of these guys exists. All these names are fake,
and I'm like, I love Roger Thorne Hill and George
Kaplin and all those kind of things with north By Northwest,
but this was Geronimo And I'm like, I could not
care at all if you pain me, if you paid
me to pay attention to this episode. It is tough man.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, it's a real drag, and I mean that literally.
It drags a lot. And what's funny is, to your point,
the parts of the episode that are more interesting are
the parts that effectively have nothing to do with the
spy stuff quote unquote or again like the Patrick McGowan
spy stuff and look, I get it, and let's just
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get it out of the way here. Yes, Patrick McGowin
was from The Prisoner, which is a spy TV show.
I would say it's one of the still pre eminent
spy TV shows of a certain time. It definitely influenced
a lot of things post it. It had a remake
in the mid it had a common book. It's well
regarded by the fans, even though, my god, the ending
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of that show is one of the worst endings I've
ever seen of a TV show. You and I talked
about it I think privately, like, the Prisoner's not great.
No matter how good Patrick mcgoin is, he can't save
how bad that show becomes. And I'm not sure. I
wanted to watch an episode of Columba that reminds me
of how bad The Prisoner is almost from the get go,
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because he says, be seeing you on the phone. That's
like how he ends his first monologue to Leslie Nielsen.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And yeah, I think he says it again within a
few minutes. Yes, Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Does Arnold Schwarzenegger have to say I'll be back in
every movie he's in? Now? How do we characterize and
explain it? If the barbarian says I'll be back, is
it always Arnold? Then is he just off screen waiting
in the wings. I don't know why you would do
it other than just like a wink and a nod,
But again, a wink and a nod to a thing
that wasn't exactly lighting up the set top boxes across
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the nation. The Prisoner is good, but the Prisoner also
is I think more important now than it maybe was
when it came out. At least that's the read I've
gotten of it in the subsequent years. Since working on
the one season show and talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It and McGowin. His influence carries over not just from
his performance, but since he is the director, he seems
to have a lot of influence on Fulk as well,
because Fulk is not necessarily being Colombo in this episode
the very first time we see him, and I do
like this opening shot, like we cut from McGowin about
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to bring Leslie Nielsen with a tire iron, and then
cut and we have walking. You can see the smoke
from a cigar and he's lit from behind by these
lights from a police truck of some sort that probably
patrols the beach. Very stylized. But then once he shows up,
he's just crazy cuckaboo. He's just looking around and asks
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everybody to leave. And then the way that he's down
on the ground and everything. I'm just like, okay, that's
but at the same time it's not. But I'm like,
don't you have more of a hold on this character
that you could. I don't know if you just didn't
want to fight against McGowan or if he's just having
such a good time with me. So yeah, you know what,
I'll try it.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I would just do all kinds of stuff I would
air on the ladder side because Patrick McGowan and Folk
were friends. We've talked about that before. I would air
on the side of that. I think it's one of
those things where it's, well, let's do something different. I
just don't think it works very well because unfortunately, the
show's not called Murder, she wrote. The show's called Colombo.
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It's about him, like murder, she wrote. There are episodes
of murder, she wrote, that do not have Angela Lansburgh
and the like, where it's like this was an adventure
that they were having off on the other coast. It's wait,
what the fuck? I had never seen that. My girlfriend
and I were sitting and watching Murder, she wrote, the
other night, and I was asleep a little or I
was awake a little longer than she was. In one
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of those episodes came on. I was like, wait a second,
she's not even in this episode. Shit, this is not Murder.
She right, it's something else. It's and again. But it's
that spinofftization of things that the seventies was so popular
with television. But here it's I don't understand why Colombo
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becomes like this bumbling dummy in this episode and plays
a typical other than Patrick McGowan, going let's do something
different for the hell of it. And it's like, but
why this is working? Like this is a well oiled
machine for the most part. Stop gunking it up with
your bullshit.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And why is Columbo suddenly this weird, lascivious guy who's
just oggling that poor belly dancers, Like what the attention
to your job? Like you got val Avery here ready
to talk about his old days of being a cop,
and I'm sure he was a shit cop with the
way that he's running this bar now and everything. And
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my wife didn't like how the hours I kept. Now
I'm here every day till two o'clock running this bar,
and I'm like, okay, Like this guy's somewhat interesting sitting
right there with Bruce Kirby. I'm like, yeah, these are
all the classes who have Vito Scoti's in this episode
as well.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I love hearing his name every time. I'm like, Mike's
gonna say his name if he's in the credits, Mike's
gonna say it. He's great. And we get a lot
of the regulars, but they're just like the version of
Colombo they're interacting with. Is not the version of Colombo
that I want in this episode? Is the biggest problem
for you the way Colombo acts in this episode? Because
I think for me it may be. In fact, the
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biggest issue is just you can't take a character who
fifth season, third episode, we are into a third of
the way into this show. What are we doing here?
We're not gonna change it up all of a sudden.
They're not gonna learn how to throw a knuckleball in
the ninth inning. Stop it. This needed to be the
way the character was from the get go, not a
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game time decision because we think that this episode can
stand it. Did they want Patrick mcgoin to be the
main character of the episode? Is that what the deal is?
Also feels like that he's a little bit of the
main character. It almost feels like he's justified in killing
Leslie Nielsen in a lot of ways. Leslie Nielsen's not
We've had this before with Columbo, where the people getting
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got are not necessarily great people on their own and
Leslie Nielsen great example of that. A shithead, like a
shithead in his own right. But the episode almost feels
like it's justifying his death by the way he's characterized,
and that's a very weird thing for Columbo to do,
because Colombo rarely does that. If it does that at.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
All, why would you say that Leslie Nielsen is a
shit headed just.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
The way he's dressed, the way that he acts. In
my mind, between Leslie Nielsen and Patrick McGowin, Patrick McGowin
seems almost justified in killing Leslie Nielsen because Leslie Nielsen's
holding him over a barrel for the money he owes
him and Patrick McGowin doesn't want to pay him. You
know what happens when you don't want to split the money.
There's one less bank robber. The way Leslie Nielsen's dressed
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as well, Like he's characterized very broadly as a slick guy.
This is Leslie Nielsen. I'm so used to seeing Leslie
Nielsen in a comedic setting on top of everything else.
This is like one of two dramatic settings I've seen
him in, But he plays villainous rather Maybe it's just
me reading him as villainous. I don't know. Maybe that
wasn't your takeaway.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, I was just curious as far as how that went,
and there was At the same time, he's nice to
the guy who is running the shooting gallery and the
way that it's just I don't need this big, stupid panda.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But then.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Patrick McGowan is, yeah, sure I'll do that, and then
I'll go talk creepily to this little girl.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Although do you like Archibald, I'm sick, dude, get out
of here. Yeah, he's not doing himself any favors. But
that's the thing. Like again, the episode almost feels like
it's trying to justify what he's doing because against CIA,
and like this guy is he's going rogue because he's
expecting to uphold his end of the bark. I don't
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know if they could have done this without involving it
as a spy thing. I think it would have been
better without the spy overtones, because again they just don't
do enough. But I don't think that's the real issue
with this episode for me. I do think the issue
is just the characterization of Colombo very much as atypical
and if Peter Falk wanted to play Columbo differently, maybe
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just go star like guest star on something and play
a detective like.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
The scenes that he's in without MacGowan and the scenes
that Magowan are not in are relatively decent, like when
he's talking with the redheaded photographer and trying to put
together the larger picture of things. When he I'm trying
to remember he says to somebody like, I'm about to
show you some pictures of a murdered person. Please don't
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panic type of thing. I'm like, okay, well that's good.
I like this Colombo that I'm seeing here. But whenever
he's on screen with McGowan, and when mcgoon's on screen,
it's just a enough please.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Being like practically there being like physical comedy, like ding dongs,
like Peter Falk jumping into McGowan's car and like leaning
all the way over, like what in the hell is
going on? It feels like they're just having a good time,
which is fine, but do not compromise the quality of
the product, because you want to have a good time
with your friends. Because we sit here and do this
all the time, and we try not to compromise the
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quality of what we're doing because we digress too much.
It feels like just almost an episode long digression. What
would Columbo be like if he was more of an
idiot like this? I guess okay, and some.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Of those deliveries that mcgoon gives, whereas did you hear
the chimes? Did you count them?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
YoY? They're having a good time, They're enjoying themselves way
too much. They're mugging. Colombo takes his trench coat off.
When does that happen?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I know? And it's not because he's wearing a gun
holster on his shoulder.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The butler comes and takes it and he's like, all right,
he doesn't look so shabby in this episode. This is
a shabby list detective. Is it supposed to be funny?
Is it supposed to be like comical comedic? Like? If
it is, it's not a success. No. No.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I love the scene of him and Vidoscoti where they're
talking and they actually start talking Italian and everything. I'm like, oh,
this is really nice. I enjoy seeing the guy that
played Larry Tate from Bewitched to show up as the.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
CIA main guy. That's so weird too.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
When they're meeting at that train I think it is,
and all those people are waiting outside can we get
on this ride? I'm like, this is the worst meeting
place that you guys could possibly pick, because you have
all of these civilians outside.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, somebody had a real bad idea like this will
draw attention to us, said no one ever. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So strange, like why would you do this?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I also like the idea of someone being like next
to Patrick McGowin, who has seen him before, and going,
I don't recognize him anymore because he has a mustache
and some glasses on. Come on, Yeah, the old page
moved back a little bit. I see. It's a bit
of a fucking stretch Columbo, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Oh, it's just the worst type of photo doctoring in
the world. There's no excuse for that in movies these days,
but I still see shitty photographs like that, where it's oh,
here's me as a younger man, and it's either take
a photo from something else that you were in. But
some of the ones that they even have now are's
(15:35):
just like that doesn't look like you, or that's like
the worst job of pasting two celebrities together to be like, oh,
here's my friend Nicholas Cage over here. No guys take
a photo together and then I don't know the aged
or something. By the way they paste things in, it's
just nasty. And this photo here is one of the
worst jobs I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Is it as bad as the one in Captain America
Brave New World with Harris and Forward and Live Tyler,
because that one's pretty bad that you like you're twenty five. Oh,
that's it's true. It's truly shocking that we could still
get to the twenty first century and like faked photography
looks cause again it's the idea of we're just gonna
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be on screen for a second, and that second will
not get remembered, but it's like it will just for
the wrong reasons. And on top of everything else, to
your point, this is not just a second. This is Oh,
we're coming back to it, and we're coming back to
I'm like, god, stop coming back to it. Stop going
back to it at this point, like, for the love
of god, it's like how Joss Whedon had that mustache
(16:39):
on Superman. Oh good, It's like we're trying to cover
up the mouth. By doing that, you drew more attention
to it, Like it's the Barber Striy sand effect, right,
Like you can't undo the attention that these things are getting.
And yeah, having it on screen and just stop, no,
please stop. This looks as goofy and what am I
supposed to do? Not laugh? Like again, it's unintentionally comedic,
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is what it feels like. And this is not an
unintentionally comedic show. When the show is comedic, it has
intent behind it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
If the CIA or FBI could do such a good
job lift doctoring that photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald to
have that newspaper and the gun, where then screw up
the shadow and we're going to see an episode where
there's a shadow under somebody's nose that gives away the
entire crime. That's like a few years from now. But
even that was better than what we're seeing here, where
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it's here's this horrible photo with this pasted on Patrick
mcgo and face, and then yeah, we're gonna keep going
back to it, and then we're gonna get here he
is with the old man makeup on. I'm like, oh gosh,
this is so nasty.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And the old man makeup Dear God in Heaven plastic scene,
just like when he's meeting with Otis Young. It's just like,
dear God, like he would recognize him, like he's just
a guy with a bold cap and a mustache. Sounds
like Patrick McGough. And again we go back to not
to jump all the way to the end, but we
go back to that. Speaking of with putting on disguise,
(18:06):
there were more believable disguises than the Charlie's Angels movies
than this. The way that this episode plays out and
the how catch him of it all, Wow, this feels
like one we've seen before.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's totally one we've seen before. This is Robert Culp
with that anniversary.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's what I thought. Yeah, But then at.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
The same time, that's when they give us the double twist,
because first off, we hear the opening or closing of
the blinds, so we don't know when. But then Columbus, Hey,
at six o'clock in the morning, the sun hits your desk,
and then mcgolan cuts them off basically, and it's just like,
you hear the chime.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Best part of the entire episode.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Somebody actually made a song of that. I'm going to
put that at the end of this episode. It's pretty amazing.
So you hear the chimes, and then it's the whole
thing about the Chinese pulling out of the Olympics that
he had to put that in the speech, so it's like, oh,
it's not exactly. The Robert Culp thing with the was
that like the ding dong ice cream?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, something to that effect. I think about the ice
cream melting.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, or the no chlorine in that fresh water ice yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Geez said Lord, Look, we talked about like technology and
Colombo right plenty of times, and here it is, once
again technology being used to catch the criminal. I don't
think this would hold up in court. I don't think so.
I really don't like. And that's again that's like the
modernization in me of oh the poke holes in it,
(19:38):
oh cinema sins. But that law hasn't changed that much
in this long for this to not seem like circumstantial evidence.
And we all know this guy working for the CIA.
They're just gonna be like, he didn't do anything I
saw American made with Tom Cruise. They get people out
of jail all the time by just showing up flashing
their badge. You're not gonna be in jail for very long.
(20:00):
He's a CIA asset. What the fuck, give me a break.
It's almost the inverse of the last episode, right where
last episode is like a diplomatic immunity. This is like
diplomatic idiocy, Like this is just stupid. This is idiotic
to me, because this guy's not going to be in prison.
He's not going to stay in jail. The US government's
gonna bail him out. If he's this valuable of an asset.
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Why wouldn't they They have no reason not.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
To, exactly, And this whole season so far, because the
first one was Forgotten Lady, where he doesn't arrest janetly
for that and right, yeah, it's only under threat of
being cut up into little Koshoge sized pieces that gets
Hector Alezondo to do a full confession. But yeah, it's
(20:46):
just bizarre then, yeah, because there is no recompense for
this guy at all. I don't believe that he's going
to have anything happen other than just a little handslap.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
No, yeah, and that's again the episode is set up
that way. Look at how important this operative is, and
look at how important this other operative is. These two
guys have been doing this for a while and there's
nothing that's going to stop them other than one another,
which is what ends up happening. But within that world,
the only people that can do anything about one another. Coincidentally,
(21:18):
as we get ready to record an episode of a
mafia themed show that we're doing. The real people that
can only do anything about spies within the world of
spies are other spies. And that's why we have Patrick
mcgoin killing Leslie Nielsen ultimately being that ends up being
how he gets handled is by the other spy. The
cops I e. Colombo in this situation are two out
(21:41):
of their depth to be useful. It's absurd, frankly.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And by the way, I don't know what language I'm
agoin is supposed to be speaking to those Asian people,
but it just sounded totally made up to me. His
two butlers, I guess they are. And I'm like, I
supposed to be trying to speak Chinese because that doesn't
look like any year sound like any Chinese.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I haven't heard tagalog maybe, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Like I was like, I think you're just making up stuff.
Oh shoot, shonghses just whow.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, it's like Wesley Snipes and Demolition.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's what almost got Stephen Colbert canceled all those years ago.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Wait is that for real? I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, he was making fun of something and he was
just like something something the ching Chong.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I remember that. Now you remember
that nothing will be as nothing will be as funny,
and again like funny, as subjective as the fake Asian
names of those airline pilots that that the plane crashed
on the tarmac in San Francisco some ting Wong bang
ding aw, holy fuk and we too low. See that's
(22:50):
the kind of stupidity I can get behind, only because
they got somebody to say it out loud. Yes, I
can acknowledge it's pretty un pc, but yeah, no shit again,
Patrick McGowen doing a fake aged accent in a filmed
show that's put out by that's on Peacock TV right
now is a little bit different because it did sound Again,
(23:12):
maybe he was just their colonizers, right, the British. They
don't fucking care. Fuck it? Who cares? Is blah blah blah,
al right, yeah they believed it. Who cares?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, sure, just shanghai them and pulled them over from
Hong Kong.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, just like it's fine, nobody cares. Let's get to
the Peter folks stuff. Is this the last time that
magoon comes back? Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
No, no, no, decent here quite a few more times.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh dear, I am not enjoying this second iteration of him.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
No much better in the first right, oh.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Way, Night and Day difference.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, I don't know if they let him run as
Rampant and some of those other ones. I'm pretty sure
he's in two more, I want to say, for sure,
one of the ABC years, so it comes back all
those years later. I want to see maybe one more
during this original run, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The ABC years.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yes, so postseason what is that?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Season seven eight? We're halfway there already.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
So I know I'm gonna be talking about George Went
in no time.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I can't wait waiting for Went.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
That's a very Samuel Beckett type of thing.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I think that spies and cops when mixed rarely work
because the scope and scale of the things are two
very different things. It's two very different worlds. Like we
talked about it in our ranking on Bond Show, which
you can find on our respective patreons, when James Bond
interacts with the local cops, like it happens very infrequently,
like when does it happen in James Bond if not
(24:52):
like JW. Pepper, and is that it is Sean Connery
interacting with cops? If anything James Bond is like on
the run from the cops if he ever interacts with them,
because they think that spies and cops like spies, are
meant to be clandestine. That's the point. That's literally the
point of spies not meeting on a fucking train on
(25:15):
the Santa Monica. Pete, dear God, out in the open.
Here's my Cia badge. Okay, I have.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Very bed news, which is that McGowan actually comes back,
but as just a director, in the final episode of
this season, which I think is probably the lowest. I
don't know if the ABC years get lower than this,
but last of the Loot to the Commodore. I'm just
putting it out there right now. Probably my least favorite
(25:43):
episode of Colombo ever.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Oh dear God, Patrick McGowan being involved once again.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But fortunately the next episode that we talk about a
matter of honor with Riccardo montel Bond, which is directed
by Ted Post who's one of the most solid directors
that they have working for them, I think is a
lot of fun, and that one, again only seventy minutes,
clocks along very quickly, and again it's a strange one
because this whole season is a weird season, what with
(26:14):
Colombo in the world of diplomatic immunity in spies, and
next time he's going to go down to Mexico and
talk about some bullfighting.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Speaking at James Bond, Pedro Almondaries and Pedro Peterroromondaris was
in James Bond and Pedro Armondaries. Junior also in James
Bond and Junior is in the next episode. And I'm
surprised Maltavon was never a James Bond villain. Frankly, No.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
He was in Naked Gun though, so that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, but he could have been a Bond villain. Just
think he could. He could have been opposite Roger Morris Scaramanga. Really, yes,
look you got fucking nick Knack, you got her villages
right there. Yeah, exactly. I'm excited. I love Ricardo Maltibon,
and I like the idea of something to do with bullfighting,
which seems very old world compared to the world of
(27:05):
the CIA.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, hopefully you will enjoy it quite a bit. I
seem to remember that one very fondly, So hopefully we'll
have a fun time with that until we come back
and talk about that. Chris, what are you working on
these days?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You can find everything that you and I work on
over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com, which is where this show
and your show, The Projection Booth, and my show, The
Culture Cast, and Susan Lambert show, ADTV Ladies, and Mark
Begley's show Cambridge and with Sean and so many other
great shows Father Malone's Midnight Viewing can be found, and
(27:37):
you should go find them other than at mine and
Mike's respective patreonspatreon dot com slash Projection Booth or patreon
dot com slash Culturecast, where you can find rankin on Bond,
which we do with our friend Richard HadAM on the
aforementioned James Bond. So that's the thing that you are
into hearing us talk about spy things that don't suck
for the most part, and I can't promise they're all
(27:57):
not bad, but most I think we've had overwhelmingly good
time with most of the things we've watched with the
Ranking on Bond podcast. Heading over there to check that out.
That's where everything I work on can be found, and
for the most part, you as well.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
If you're bored and lonely and meet somebody to talk to,
tough luck, you can only listen to the projection booth.
You can't talk back. Just go on over to weirdingwaimedia
dot com check out the projection booth and check out
all those other fine shows. And until we come back
next month to talk about some bullfighting. I want to
thank John Walker for our beginning theme song and Colin
(28:33):
Gallagher for our end theme song. Though Colin Mike get
preempted for that amazing Patrick McGowin eleven chime song. I
might just throw him in after that because we got
to give love to the man, you know, Yeah, that's
probably the best part of this episode is somebody making
a song out of it. So until then, keep being shabby.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Why don't you play the tape? Carry on from there
and you will see that in fact, it had to
be night.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Any particular sections.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right on from there. Now you listen very carefully. First
of all, I'll show you the bottom of my feet.
One foot still has a cabinet. Yes, sir, I heard
you had the chimes. Did you call them? Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
There are you had the chimes and did them? Yes
you had the chimes?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Did you call them?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
You have the chiese? Did you you had the times?
Did you call them yes, you have the Chianese. You them, Yes,
you have the times and you call them. Yes, there
(29:59):
are in leaven You had the giants, did you Yes,
(30:29):
you had the giants.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Did you call them?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yes, you had the giants, Yes, you had the giants them.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, there are eleven eleven. So it had to be
eleven o'clock at night. It could not have been eleven
o'clock in the morning. You can check with my secretary. No, Sarah,
couldn't have been at night. Couldn't have been night
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