A New World War: Reflections on Conflict and Culture

Episode 200 from "The Soap Box Champion Podcast," hosted by Kraig Delaney. The episode covers a wide range of topics, starting with a discussion about global conflicts and the concept of "WW3," including the Ukraine-Russia war and the Israel-Gaza situation, criticizing the financial involvement and the "conflict" versus "war" terminology. It then shifts to a critique of California Governor Gavin Newsom's political aspirations and perceived failures, followed by a segment on sports, specifically Michael Jordan's "Flu Game." The episode concludes with a segment called "Sugar," which highlights the band Deftones, celebrating their discography, impact, and recent album release, before Kraig bids farewell and requests listener support.

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, sir, hey by today looking to get me a
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what you're looking for is like glock forty five, block
forty five. That look like an old timer to you.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
This is the Soapbox Champion podcast. Yes it is. It's Tuesday,
Aalk's twenty six, twenty twenty five. This is episode two
hundred of the Soapbox Champion Podcast, recorded live from a
probably Jerrymander FEMA Region five. My name's Craig Delaney. Thanks
for hanging out with me for two hundred episodes. You guys,

(00:58):
I appreciate it, but you know, back down to Earth.
Just get grounded. It's hard to get excited because we're
in the middle of World War three. Who's with me?
And you've heard me say it before, because I've been
saying it for a few years now. We started with
the Ukraine Proxy war, you know, and then it's turned

(01:21):
into that and eventually became what I believe and pretty
sure it's World War three. War's different now, Ukraine versus Russia,
North Korea, India and China helping Russia with North Korea
literally sending troops. The United States is helping Ukraine. Total

(01:42):
aid to Ukraine from the US, including a refugee support, alligated, allocated,
committed and spent. The most comprehensive figures as of yesterday
range from one hundred and seventy five to one hundred
ninety five billion in total allocations, with one hundred and
twenty eight one hundred and thirty point six billion directly

(02:04):
for Ukraine. That's from the Kiel Institute, the Kiel Institute
for World Economy. It's one of the Germany's oldest and
most influential economic research institutes. And that's only the dollar
figure the government has made available. Who knows what it
really is, and actually the Department Offense says it's closer

(02:25):
to one hundred and eighty five billion, including broader spending
like training in Europe and replenishment of US defense stocks.
You know, through March of this year, the EU is
helping Ukraine. It's in total, including its twenty five members states,
is committed around one hundred and eighty five to two
hundred and fifty billion, with the one hundred and twenty four

(02:47):
one hundred and thirty one billion for direct aid and
additional funds for refugee support Germany second largest donor after
the US, UK committed fifteen point five billion pounds I
guess or euros, whatever the hell they have now. Denmark
top donor, one point three one percent of its GDP

(03:10):
going to out Ukraine, Netherlands significant contributions including F sixteen
fighter jet transfers. Poland pledged billions and military aid, and
serves as a logistical hub for Western aid. France and
Italy smaller but notable contributions, with France and Italy ranking
tenth and fourteenth among donors, each committing less than point

(03:34):
two percent of their twenty twenty one GDP. But that's
nothing to sneeze at, and they're involved. Other EU countries
like Sweden, Norway, Estonia are also significant donors relative they're
to their economic size, with Sweden as the fifth largest
donor globally. There's don't forget other NATO and G seven countries.

(03:56):
Canada committed over you know, two million in military aid
and signed a security agreement with Ukraine. Japan over nine billion,
primarily in financial aid, just straight cash, focusing on reconstruction
and budgetary support. South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland.
These countries have contributed financial, humanitarian and limited military aid,

(04:21):
though specific amounts are smaller compared to G seven nations,
but they are contributing. Norway pledged over three billion in
military aid under the NASEN Support Program, significant considering it's GDP.
Turkey provided military aid, including drones and facilitated diplomatic talks

(04:43):
such as prisoner exchanges. Now, tell me that's not World
War three? What kind of aid? Were always? You say aid?
But what is that? You know? Is that a care package?
Is that band aids? Is that toilet paper? Is that time?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, there's a military aid literally including weapons, ammunition, defense systems.
The US leads military aid, of course, followed by Germany
and the UK. Then there's financial aid, loans, grants, budget support,
like we said, often for stability and reconstruction. The EU's

(05:23):
Ukraine facility has pledged fifty four billion through twenty twenty seven.
And there's humanitarian aid, food, medical supplies, refugee support, the
EU leading the way there. Then there's n kind assistance.
It's one hundred and fifty five thousand tons of supplies
including medical equipment, shelters and power generators, coordinated via the

(05:46):
EU Civil Protection mechanism, the EU CPM they probably call it.
I don't know. Thirty five countries involved there. The G
seven alongside EU is allocated over six billion financial aid,
including loans backed by frozen Russian Russian assets. And that
those frozen frozen Russian assets, that's a whole nother topic

(06:09):
to me. That's theft, damn near war crime. I'm not
gonna get into it now. I'm not. You can look
elsewhere for that, or leave me a voicemail, send me
an email if you want me to explain those frozen
Russian assets and why it's bullcrap it really is. NATO's role.
NATO does not directly provide troops, but coordinates military aid

(06:30):
and training. In twenty twenty four, NATO allies provided over
fifty billion and with thirty five billion committed for the
remainder of this year. But I thought Ukraine wasn't a
member of NATO. Isn't that what some of this is
all about? But last Friday, NATO Secretary General Mark Ruta

(06:51):
held a meeting with Ukrainian President Zelenski to discuss security
guarantees for Ukraine, following a high level Washington meeting with
President and European leaders. He's stressed creating guarantees akin to
NATO's Article five to deter future Russian aggression, though he
noted NATO membership was not currently under discussion, and we

(07:15):
mentioned NATO Article five. That's a core principle in the
North Atlantic Treaty signed in nineteen forty nine. It establishes
the collective defense commitment of NATO member states period. It
states that an attack on one NATO member is considered
an attack on all oblgetting allies to respond collectively to

(07:38):
defend targeted member. So why does it require membership if
NATO will aid non members like Ukraine as well. Right,
this is not the whole point of NATO. That's all fishy.
I don't like it, especially when NATO operates three main

(07:58):
common budgets funded by all all thirty one member states,
with the United States leading. There's the civil budget that
covers the quote unquote administrative costs like NATO headquarters, the
staff salaries, and that's in two twenty twenty twenty three,
the civil budget was over four hundred million dollars. Then

(08:21):
there's the military budget that funds NATO's military operations, command structures,
and joint exercises in twenty twenty three that was around
two point three billion. Then there's INSIP, the NATO Security
Investment Program. It finances infrastructure like communications systems, airfields, joint facilities,

(08:41):
and that is capped at one point seven billion annually.
This is what it means to be a member of NATO.
Why does Ukraine get a pass? How is it reaping
all the benefits for free wild members like the US
contribute the largest, the US approximately twelve to twenty two

(09:03):
percent of the common budgets. That's around five point three
billion dollars annually, you know, depending on the budget, and
expected to be over six point one billion in twenty
twenty six from the United States. I don't like it.
I don't like World War three, and this is World
War three. It's just there are no beaches to storm

(09:24):
and the draft hasn't started yet. Now it's a financial,
cyber drone disinformation war. If you don't think we're in
the middle of World War three, go out and buy
a white globe, or buy a globe painted white. Now,
research and paint all the countries at war right now

(09:46):
in red. Tell me this isn't World War three. It's
a World War all right, complete with war crimes. Amnesty
International is twenty twenty four report extended in this year,
concludes that Israel's actions in Gaza, including widespread killings, destruction

(10:06):
of infrastructure, and deliberate starvation tactics, meet the criteria for
genocide under the Genocide Convention. They cite the scale of
civilian casualties over forty five thousand by January of this year,
with nearly seventy percent women and children, forced displacement of
nearly all of Gaza's population and destruction of ninety two

(10:28):
percent of homes as evidence and intent to destroy Palestinians
in Gaza. The UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry OKAY,
reported that Israel to deliberately target and destroyed nine percent
of Gaza schools, fifty three percent of religious and cultural sites,

(10:49):
and eighty four percent of health facilities. Just yesterday, live
on TV, Israel attacked a hospital. It wasn't supposed to
be on TV, but journalists just so happened to be
at this hospital filming live as it was attacked by Israel. Okay,

(11:14):
that's an example of exactly what we're talking about. No
military justification. These acts are described as war crimes. Including
the crime against humanity of extermination due to the systematic
nature of attacks. Human rights and others have documented Israel's

(11:35):
restriction of aid, water and electricity leading to famine conditions
in Gaza. We talked about that last week. British Minister
and the International Criminal Court have labeled the use of
hunger as a weapon of war a war crime with
the ICC, that's the International Criminal Court issuing arrest warrants
for Israeli leaders Benjamin at Yahoo and Yoav Gallant for

(11:59):
starvation tactics and other inhuman inhumane acts. And I wrote
down net Ya Who's response. Some one called out about
the hospital yesterday. What did he say? It was something
ridiculous and I want to get it right. Oh, let's
he here. What did he say? He said something like

(12:23):
unfortunate mishap. That's what Benjamin nat Yahoo called that attack
on a hospital. Uh. I can't believe I didn't put
that in today's episode like officially, like a side note.
But uh it ended up killing UH a couple of

(12:44):
physicians and several UH journalists at that hospital. And Natya
Who's official statement was it was an unfortunate mishap. While
Israeli military leaders uh said they attacked a journal because
he had a camera and he was they said he
was spying on them. Okay, so you just at hack

(13:06):
a hospital because of that. I don't know. I don't know,
man I hated all Human Rights Watch with which offers
and I don't know. They just have documented Israel's restriction
on aid, water and electricity. It's war crimes. That's all
there's to it. Every organization on Earth that determines what
a war crime is has determined that Israel's committed war

(13:29):
crime war crimes against Gaza. But that's it. They just
get labeled at and that's all there's to it. Specific
accidents such as the March airstrikes killing four hundred and
four Palestinians, including one hundred and eighty three children, attacks
on aid distribution points like two hundred and forty five
killed in Rafa and May, and the killing a medical

(13:52):
personnel one thousand and fifty healthcare workers were killed by January.
All these are cited as war crimes by organizations like
Amnesty International and the United Nations. The International Criminal Court
issued those arrest warrants in November of twenty twenty four
for war crimes and crimes against humanity, you know, starvation,

(14:16):
targeting civilians. The International Court of Justice is reviewing South
Africa's case alleging genocide, with the twenty twenty four ruling
finding it's plausible that Israel violated the Genocide Convention. And
that's just what Israel has done to Gaza. Gaza isn't

(14:36):
even a country, it's not an independent country. It's been
governed by Hamas, a Palestinian militant group since two thousand
and seven. But Israel, it is targeting more than just Tamas,
and the US is supporting Israel. And just yesterday the
air strikes that was a Nasir Naser I guess hospital

(15:00):
and con Unice. It's in southern Gaza, and like I said,
at this time, happened on live TV. At least twenty
people killed. I think five journalists, one from Reuters, the AP,
more Al Jazeera in the Middle East. I as four
healthcare workers. That was not a military target at all,

(15:24):
not even close. And the rest of the world just
allows it. They allowed it yesterday, haven't heard anything about
it today, and they allowed it every day over and
over again. It's wild. A tragic mishap, is what said. Okay, whatever,
it's fine, that's fine. This all reminds me of the

(15:45):
Korean Conflict.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
That term was used instead of the Korean War, primarily
because the United States and other parties involved never formally
declared war. During the conflict, which lasted from late June
nineteen fifty to July of nineteen fifty three, the US
under President Harry S. Truman, described its involvement as police

(16:08):
action under the auspices of the UN. This was a
because the US Congress did not issue a formal declaration
of war, as required by the US Constitution for a
full scale war. Instead, the US and other UN member
states responded to a UN Security Council resolution that was
called Resolution eighty four I found out calling for military

(16:30):
assistance to repel North Korean's invasion of South Korea. The
conflict was framed as a collective international effort led by
the UN to counter North Korea's aggression, supported by communist
allies like China and Soviet Union. Calling it a conflict
emphasized its status as a UN sanctioned intervention rather than

(16:51):
a traditional war between nations. The term conflict helped avoid
the political and legal implifications of declared war. Which could
have escalated tensions with the Soviet Union in China during
the early Cold War. It also allowed the US to
maintain flexibility in its military and diplomatic strategies. While the

(17:14):
term Korean conflict was used officially, especially in the United
States government documents at the time, Korean War has become
more common and popular historical discourse because it accurately reflects
the scale and intensity of the fighting. You know, it
did involve millions of troops, massive casualties, two point five

(17:36):
million civilian and military deaths, significant global implifications. I think
it's obscene to let all this become a world war
conflict shitter, get off the pot. We know what's going on.
The only question mark is why? Why is all of

(17:57):
this going on? I've thought about it all over the
last three years. Is data the new gold or is
it rare earth minerals? You know, sexless weirdo Lindsey Graham
has said that that's what we want to deal with
Ukraine for those rare earth minerals. I'm not sure. But
between all that and what happened at my house this weekend,

(18:20):
the world's a mess. In case you missed it on
social media, I'll just replay the video I released on Sunday.
Stand by, Hello and greetings from the office of the Homestead.

(18:51):
For the last several years, we have lived close to
and with the wasp species with the understanding of peace
and independence. We would not impede them in any way,
nor would they impede us. We would not restrict access
to open areas, and they would not restrict our coming

(19:11):
in going throughout the outside. Until today. Today, at approximately
twelve fifteen PM, as I traveled through the neutral zone,
I was attacked by the wasps. It was sudden and unprovoked,
and I was forced to evacuate the neutral zone. This

(19:33):
act took only seconds but reset everything. As homeowner, I
have pledged an oath to protect you, my family, and
this great homestead from any source of strife, impedance, or
ill will. So today, at approximately twelve thirty PM, I

(19:55):
asked my wife for full authorization to use chemical weapons
on the attacking force, and full authorization was granted. I
promised a swift and full on attack. That is what
was given. Early intelligence shows an approximately ninety eight percent

(20:17):
kill rate. Surviving combatants will be dealt with quickly and
on ground. Henceforth, none of this was taken lightly. But
as the father figure and husband figure and groundskeeper, I
must keep the open available and free to anyone seeking
fresh air or peace. And rest assured the open will

(20:42):
be kept available and free far into the future as
I stand by with the full force and cooperation of
all weapons available to me here. Let this be an
example to all would be aggressors and reassurance to all
residing this great homestead. It was serious, you guys, very serious. Ah.

(21:13):
I told you now species is fighting species and whatever species.
California Governor Gavin Newsom, is you talk about a confused, uh,
fake facade? Say one thing to another politician? Newsom is

(21:33):
it now? Uh? He's taken upon himself for some reason
and personally feud with President Trump and has taken every
form of media there is, all the socials, podcast, TV shows, YouTube.
He's putting himself everywhere on purpose. But there's a problem.
You can be everywhere, but Gavin Newsom has nothing to offer,

(21:57):
nothing to show. Newsom has been governor of California since
January seventh of twenty nineteen. As of today, August twenty fifth,
twenty twenty five, that's approximately six years, seven months, and
as of this month August, California has the highest unemployment

(22:19):
rate at five point five percent, highest gas prices four
dollars and forty nine cents a gallon average, most homeless
around one hundred and eighty seven thousand. The national total
is about seven hundred and seventy one thousand, eight hundred.
That means California accounts for roughly twenty four percent of

(22:42):
the United States total homeless population. Let that sink in
the largest budget deficit California twelve billion. And guess what,
California has the highest income tax at thirteen point three percent.
So what are his accomplishments? He will talk until you

(23:05):
want to run naked in a cornfield, but he can.
He can't tell you an accomplishment. I'm telling you his
goal is to run for president. And all of this,
all this that we're seeing right now this week, is
him blindly trying to just be out there and be
in the spotlight to gain, to gain what though popularity, notoriety?

(23:27):
What is it? But it comes off weird, It comes
off very off putting. He's everywhere, but you don't know why.
It's forced. It feels forced, it's not natural, and this
childish spat with Trump. I get it. These politicians don't
like Trump. He flipped over the rock, you know, I

(23:49):
get it, you don't like him. But Newsom's being childish
about it. Newsom now has his own red hats. He's
calling the president name. He hates him, but also mimics him.
No one can figure out Gavin Newsom. I ran across
a social media post from a channel called Value Tainment,
and I don't know anything about him, So you find

(24:11):
out something weird about him, and I shouldn't be repeating
their stuff. It's fine, I don't know. But from their channel,
they state their mission as the following our mission to enlighten, entertain,
and empower current and future leaders around the world. End quote. Okay,
I don't know what that means, but okay, but I
think this guy from that channel accurately describes Newsom right

(24:33):
now better than I could have a listen.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
So this is director to Governor Newsom. I got some
questions for you. I keep watching you to see what
you're going to be doing, and it feels like you
have an identity crisis, like you don't know who you
are one minute a year ago. Trump is a horrible person.
Kamala is gonna win. Biden's gonna win. I have no
interest in running for office, never, not at all. I
love being a governor. And then this year Trump wins.
Then you say, oh, I got to start a podcast.

(24:57):
Ameria school in to the center. We got to find
out to talk to the center. So you go and
talk to all these Republicans. You talk to Banning, and
you talk to Kirk, you talk to a bunch of them,
and then California protesting happens because of ISO. Now this
is an opportunity for you. Listen, no kings. We don't
want a king. Trump's never said about being a king,
and now you're trying to be Trump when Newsom was

(25:17):
right about everything with the hat and all this other stuff.
Who are you? Who's your marketing person? This is the
most embarrassing campaign. Everybody's watching. Kamala was already in the
most embarrassing loss in the history of Democratic Party for
as long as I've been around watching this stuff. But
I'm really watching to see what you're doing. And let
me tell you from what perspective I'm coming from. I'm
coming from from just watching a competitor from a side

(25:40):
that maybe I don't agree with. Politically. I don't know
what you're trying to do. But whoever's on your marketing team,
whatever advice they're giving you, this is probably worse than
Kamala's campaign. We saw Trump said no tips, Kamala next
week said no tips. Trump is right about everything he wears.
The hat you post them, pinned the hat all the

(26:00):
way at the top that you were right, But everything
with the red hat you understand like imitation is the
ultimate level of flattery. Like you're showing so much respect
for Trump it's not even funny. I think it's a
good idea for you to take a time out for
maybe a month, and go find out who the hell
are you. Everybody knows who Trump is. We know who
he is, we know what he stands for, we know

(26:21):
what he's been about since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. We
know even what Bernie Sanders is. We even know where
AOC is. Nobody has a clue who the hell are you?
Gavin Newsom, Respectfully, I'm curious as well as a lot
of people around the country are curious to know who
is Gavin Newsom?

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well said, and uh, that's basically what pops around in
my head right now. And that's why I said he'd
he put it better than I could. He got it
out there. It's exactly right. I don't know. Newsom is
not likable first and hasn't accomplished in his hanger made
calful you any better, only worse consistently, That's what he
has to offer. This is a desperate attempt to gain popularity,

(27:07):
as if we can't see what's happening in California, as
if we haven't been paying attention and calling it out
for all these years. Artificial popularity, it's something teenage girls
do on TikTok, and it's pathetic. Gavin Newsom is a nothing.
And now it's time for sports. Game five of the

(27:36):
nineteen ninety seven NBA Finals, the Chicago Bulls were tied
to too with the Utah Jazz. The night before the game,
Michael Jordan fell violently ill. Some say it was the flu,
others claim food poisoning from a suspicious pizza delivered to
his hotel. Jordan's trainer at the time, Tim Grover, recalled

(27:59):
that five men showed up to deliver the pizza, which
immediately raises red flags. I wouldn't even accept it, Jordan, undeterred,
ate the entire pizza by himself. Legend has it he
even spat on the pizza to make sure no one
else would touch it. By two thirty am, he was

(28:21):
violently ill, vomiting and dehydrated. In ESPN's The Last Dance documentary,
Jordan clarified it was food poisoning, not the flu. Craig Fight,
a former Pizza Hut assistant manager in Park City, Utah,

(28:41):
claimed he made and delivered the pizza himself. He denied
any foul play, saying only two people delivered the pizza,
not five, and then he made it personally to ensure
it was safe. Fight even remembered the exact order, thin
crust pepperoni. Despite being barely able to stand, Jordan's suited up, pale,

(29:06):
sweating visibly weak, he dropped thirty eight points, including a
clutch three pointer in the final minute to seal the win.
His teammate Scottie Pippen had to help him off the court.
It's now called the Flu Game, and it's one of
the most iconic performances in sports history. A testament to grit, willpower,

(29:31):
and the sheer force of competitive spirit. And that is
going to do it for this We support. Also, it's
time for the SBC Quote of the Week and sticking
with the goat Michael Jordan. This quotes from him and
it goes quote, I've missed more than nine thousand shots

(29:54):
in my career. I've lost almost three hundred games twenty
six times. I've been trusted to take the game winning
shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over
again in my life, and that is why I succeed.
End quote, Michael Jordan. Short episode this week, everybody, it

(30:15):
feels short as I'm doing. I don't even know, really,
I hope that's all right. I've been busy this week.
I was out of town this weekend. It's not gonna
hurt anything. It's not gonna hurt anybody's feelings. Having a
short episode from time to time, it's fine. But we
do have time for one more thing. That's right. It's
time for sugar so much. Deftones you've heard of them.

(30:41):
They're an American alternative band formed in Sacramento, California, in
nineteen eighty eight. Known for their atmospheric, emotive sound. They
blend heavy metal, shoegaze, post punk, and experimental rock, creating
a distinctive style often labeled as a new medal, though
they're beyond they transcend that genre. They hate being called

(31:04):
new metal. Fans hate them being called new metal, but
it is what it is. The band consists of Chino
Moreno on vocals and guitar, Stephen Carpent during guitar, Abe
Cunningham on drums, Frank Delgatto keyboards and turntables, and a
new bassist I can't even remember his name. Fred's what

(31:26):
is his name, Fred sabian Seblan. He's new, you guys.
He's new touring bassist. But I'm pretty sure he's gonna
be a permanent member. I'm not sure putting it out
there anyway. With past members including Chee ching on bass
died in twenty thirteen and Sergio Vega, he played bass

(31:48):
with them from two thousand and nine to twenty twenty one,
they didn't part very well. That's a whole nother story.
But Defton started as teenagers jamming in a g initially
influenced by eighties metal an alternative rock. Their sound evolved
from raw aggression on their debut Adrenaline album from nineteen

(32:10):
ninety five to a more textured and experimental works like
White Pony in two thousand, it's probably their best album,
and koid No Yo Kan in twenty twelve. They've released
nine studio albums. Let me take for a second, I

(32:30):
think ten now, I think ten anyway, Adrenaline in ninety five,
Around the for ninety seven, White Pony two thousand, self
titled two thousand and three, Saturday Night Risk two thousand
and six, Diamond Eyes twenty ten, Cooid no Yo Kan
twenty twelve, Gore twenty sixteen, and Oms in twenty twenty.

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White Pony is often considered their masterpiece, almost globally universally
thought of. It's like that, featuring the hit change in
the House of Flies and Digital Bath. Deftones are known
for dynamic contrast, heavy riffs paired with ethereal melodies. It's
a good way to put that, uh. Moreno's emotive vocals,

(33:13):
ranging from screams to kroons, you know the shoegaz stuff
and h del Gado's ambient keyboard mixtures. Lyrics often explore love, pain,
existential reflection. Like I said, shoegaze, go look up shoegase.
Uh there're a cornerstone of of that quote unquote. New

(33:37):
metal Metal stand out for their really just their artistry,
influencing bands like Lincoln Park Architects bringing Me to the Horizon.
They've earned critical claim, especially with White Pony and omes
Uh receiving Grammy nominations in a Grammy win for Best
Metal Performance for the song Elite in two thousand and one.

(33:59):
They're twenty twenty album Ohms marked a return to form
with producer Terry Date. Terry Date also produced the album
White Pony. It'd been active with festival performances, including headlining
DIAC Deaftones of San Diego every November. I saw them

(34:20):
not long ago in Indianapolis, and I will see them
again next month in Louisville at the Louder Than Life
Music Festival. Speaking of that, I just got all the
tickets and stuff in the mail the other day. Just
came and guarding them with my life. That's why they're
next to me right now. They'll headline and closed Saturday

(34:40):
night of that festival. I can't wait. Beyond music, deaf
Tones has had a strong presence in skate and street
culture from their onset, with their aesthetic kind of influencing
fashion and art in that bubble. Their fan base remains
loyal now includes younger listener who quote unquote discovered them

(35:02):
on TikTok Grammy Award for Elite two thousand and one,
ten million album sales worldwide, Consistent critical praise for pushing boundaries,
their Deftone, their Diadelo's Deftones Festival. I've seen them ten times,
believe I think ten times, and I look forward to

(35:23):
them every show. But I'm I'm especially looking forward to
Louder than Life because this will be the only the
second time I've seen him play outdoors. First time there
was a tornado and storm warnings and we had to
run downtown Indianapolis and hide in a parking garage and
they didn't finish. Not their fault, but it was terrible.

(35:43):
It was also one of the best memories I have,
but also terrible. Louder Than the Life is huge. It's loud,
and it's outside. It's a good vibe, and they're going
to be closing the best night on Saturday. I absolutely
can't wait. Well, this isn't random that deaf Tones is

(36:05):
Sugar the Sugar for a reason. Deaf Tones released a
new album last week. It's called Private Music, and it's good.
It's not just good, it's really good. Some say masterpiece,
some say right up there with White Pony. Most agree
White Pony is their greatest so far in ninety seven's

(36:26):
Around the Fur a close second. I'm one of those.
The degree White Pony stands supreme Around the Fur is
right there second. And as we're talking about them and
their albums, if you end up getting into them, a
highly underrated album is one called Saturday Night Wrist. I
I hear people bad mouth that album all the time,

(36:49):
including the band. Chino says he doesn't love that album
because of where they were like personally at the time,
but it consistently in the top for me. So if
you've never listened to Deaf Tones, start with White Pony
listening Around the Fur, then I would listen to Private Music.

(37:10):
They're new one, and then absolutely gives Saturday Night Live
or Saturday Night Risk a listen. It's a different vibe,
but it's good. It's still very very Deaf Tones, very underrated.
But it's not about that album. This is about Private
Music that just came out. It's contender for top top three.

(37:33):
I've listened to it many times. It's a contender. It's
up there, it's up there. With Around the Fur and
White Pony. I think. I think the Internet as a
whole is a green. It's good from start to finish,
and we get a taste to everything that they can do.
What might be their first sort of love song called
I Think About You All the Time to the headbanger,

(37:54):
cut Hands and everything in between. They've grown, for sure,
but so is their music. Old school fans will like it.
The new TikTok generation loves it, and I do too.
Have to listen to a little k Rocks. Megan Holiday's
interview with Deftnes just a few days ago.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Because you know, so many people say, how do you
describe Deaftnes? Like what are they? And you know, it
was always so annoying when it was like, oh, it's
new metal, and I'm like, no, it's not, like it's
so not that, And you guys talked about it being
like a soundscape and sounds, and I just feel like
this album and what you guys do is such a

(38:34):
huge It's just a feeling, you know, whether I understand
what the lyrics mean, it's it's just a feeling that
you get and I know, for me, I just feel
very understood by the music that you make. And my
last question is, you know when you hear things like oh,
deaf Tones are bigger than you've ever been, or you

(38:56):
know this album will probably go number one or how
many streams you have or Grammys or whatever, does that make?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
How does that make you feel?

Speaker 1 (39:05):
It feels good?

Speaker 4 (39:07):
But you know, I don't think it's it's something that
I think I kind of always have the mindset that
like it could go away at any moment as well, right, So,
like I just I don't I don't ever invest too
much of like how I feel about, you know, us
as a band or our music, of our records, you know,
into like that kind of stuff. Obviously it's exciting and

(39:29):
it's nice to know, right and it is.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
I mean, we literally are bigger than we've ever we've
ever been in over our almost thirty years existence for us,
So it is exciting and we are very rapeful, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
But I don't think like.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Like yeah, I think we just like are in the
moment right and and enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
That'll roll with it then going with it.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, Well I'm one to.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Live up to it as well.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
I think like in our live shows, in this record
that we may feel like it also makes us want
to be better or as best we can be, too, right,
It kind of like pushes you a little bit to
be like, all right, well everybody says this about us,
Well let's let's try to be.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
That, you know, more than ever?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Right, yep, there you go. Deftones in twenty twenty five,
who would have thunk it? New album called Private Music,
and right now Deftones are bigger than ever and that's
why there this week's sugar. And that wraps up episode
two hundred of the Soapbox Champion podcast. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 5 (42:26):
Do you think that I'm playing.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I saw you, Ady, I saw you the toys.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Like what said, my toys were live and they were
playing with my next door neighbor and not me. My childhood,
my whole life was knowing that my toys were alive,
but they didn't want to be alive around me.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
The herody move for me. I knew it. I knew
you were a love for what I knew it, I
got you have cancer, Andy.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
When we reveal ourselves to be alive to humans, they
can track cancer. You got cancer, Andy, What the hell