Geopolitics, Propaganda & Peculiarities

Episode 191 of The Soap Box Champion Podcast, hosted by Kraig Delaney, offera a broad overview of various current events and societal topics. I discuss Operation Midnight Hammer, a recent U.S. military strike on Iranian nuclear sites, explaining its justification under the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) while questioning the true necessity and potential underlying motives like the "Wes Clark 7" theory. The podcast also touches upon domestic issues, including the alleged mass production of counterfeit U.S. driver's licenses by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to influence elections, the phasing out of the U.S. penny and the broader implications for a cashless society, and the Sackler family's multi-billion dollar settlement regarding their role in the opioid crisis. Additionally, I critique The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch television series, speculating about its potential connection to Mormon propaganda, and concludes with a segment highlighting the inspiring work of Dr. Henry "Hoby" Wedler, a blind chemist and sensory expert.

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Bud.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, I'm gonna cry get out.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
This is the Soapbox Champion podcast. Correct.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Also it's Tuesday, June twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. This
is episode one ninety of the Soapbox Champion Podcast. My
name Craig Delaney, and the United States is not at war.
Calm down, but boy did we do war stuff over
the weekend, you guys. And no, we're just gonna knock

(00:57):
this out right now. Donald Trump should not be impeached,
norc can he be because of the Authorization for Use
of Military Force, or the au MF. That's a joint
resolution of the United States Congress which became law in
September eighteen, two thousand and one, authorizing the use of
the United States armed forces against those responsible for the

(01:19):
September eleventh attacks. Still remains on the books. The authorization
grants the President the authority to use all quote necessary
and appropriate force end quote against those whom he determined, planned, authorized, committed,
or aided in September eleven attacks in who harbored said
persons or groups. In that case, the AUMF grants power

(01:45):
of the President to determine both who to target and
want actions to take. The AUMF is different from a
declaration of war in that the AUMF is a statutory
force authorization limiting the president's use of a full military
force which he would otherwise have to have in a

(02:06):
declaration of war.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
You see the difference.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
The au m F was passed by one hundred and
seventh Congress on September eighteenth, two thousand and one, signed
in the law by President George W on that day.
Since its passage, US presidents have interpreted.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Their authority under the aum F to.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Extend beyond Al Kada and the Taliban in Afghanistan to
apply to numerous other groups as well as other geographic
locales due to the acts omission of any specific area
of operations. And I'm sure that's on purpose worded like that,
so the president can do whatever he or she wants.

(02:50):
The adoption of this law does not require the targets
to be state actors, but can include non state actors
such as individual people. In December twenty sixteen, the Office
of the President published a brief and interpreting of the
AUMF that's providing congressional authorization for use of force against
al Qaeda and other militant groups. Today, the fullest of actors.

(03:13):
The US military is fighting or believes it's self authorized
to fight under the two thousand and one AUMF is classified,
but I'm sure Iran is on there. So anytime you
see or hear anyone screaming about how this was unconstitutional
and Trump should be impeached, tell them. The soapbox champions said,

(03:36):
it's real simple, uh no, because of the AUMF of
two thousand and one. Full stop. So what are we
talking about. I'm sure you all know by now. President
Donald Trump in the United States Air Force and Navy
put on a damn show in Iran Saturday night. It

(03:56):
was called get ready for this. This is so hard
ass Operation Midnight Hammer. The United States conducted airstrikes on
three Iranian nuclear sites on June twenty first. The operation,
named Operation Midnight Hammer, involved one hundred and twenty five
US military aircraft, including seven B two stealth bombers, which

(04:18):
dropped fourteen GBU fifty seven massive ordnance penetrators we used
to call them bunker busters on four to zero and
Natan's while Navy submarines fired over two dozen Tomauk cruise
missiles at Isfahan, all Iranian nuclear sites. These strikes marked

(04:43):
a significant escalation I think we can all agree, and
ongoing Israel Iran conflict with the US joining Israel's efforts
to target Iran's nuclear program. The current administration has said
the US is not at war with Iran, we are
at war with Iran's nuclear weapon program. And that makes sense,
and I'm glad they worded it like that. I feel

(05:05):
like more can get on board. Worded like that. Whether
or not it's right, correct or authentic, we'll get into it.
The United States sent seven B two bombers escorted by
fifth generation F thirty five lightning twos and fourth generation
I believe in suppose F twenty two raptors, and these

(05:27):
aircraft came and went as they damn well pleased, all
stealth aircraft. Not one radar was alerted, no, no one
on ground was aware, and not one ground to air
anything was launched at them in defense. Absolutely no defense

(05:49):
was put up, And that may have been the bigger
message than the mission itself. One hundred and twenty five
aircraft in total, under complete stealth, doing as they pleased.
One hundred and twenty five planes. Have I said that again?
Have I said that? One hundred and twenty five. Dude,

(06:10):
if one hundred and twenty five anything fly around here,
I'm gonna know a thirty seven hour This is the
scope of the mission. Let's put aside how we feel
about the mission and whether or not it was warranted
or if it's more of the same old bull crap.
We'll get into that. Hold on, let's think about the scope.

(06:31):
One hundred and twenty five planes a thirty seven hour
round trip out of Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri,
operated by five oh ninth bomb wing. Congratulations, guy, successful mission,
to say the very least, keep it up. US Navy
submarines launched it at least twenty four I think we're
settling on twenty four now cruise missiles wherever they wanted

(06:55):
and completely undetected.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Those fourteen GB fifty seven bombs. They were developed by
the US Air Force and Boeing designed to destroy deeply
buried in heavily fortified targets. It is the most powerful
non nuclear bomb in the US arsenal. Each one of
those thirty thousand pounds just over twenty feet long. The

(07:22):
warhead itself, undred pounds of high explosives, can penetrate up
to two hundred feet of earth or sixty feet of
reinforced concrete before before detonating. GPS aided inertial navigation for
precise targeting, primarily carried by the B two Spirit Stealth bomber,

(07:48):
with each B two capable of carrying two of the
GBU fifty sevens. They were designed to target hardened underground
facilities exactly like what they.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Hit and Iran.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
You know, nuclear bunkers, command centers that weird place in
Nevada where we keep all the seeds.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
You guys know.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I should talk about that sometime we will.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
The GB fifty.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Seven was first tested in two thousand and seven and
entered service in twenty eleven with upgrades enhancing its penetration
and lethality. This was a message to the world the
US is still capable of securing peace through massive, massive strength.

(08:35):
Iran definitely got the message. Even CNN was praising Trump
and the flawlessly executed mission. Absolutely note leaks. No one
outside of those absolutely mission critical knew about any of it.
I saw a TikTok Saturday of a young US sub

(08:56):
mariner going through Chow Line. This was Saturday when I
saw it. Okay, Saturday, so it had to be before
the strike, because strike didn't happen to Saturday, late late night.
I believe the guy who's going through the chow line
that was serving steak and lobster, and he said, steak

(09:17):
and lobster. You know what that means, We're going to war?
True story.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
I saw that TikTok So a.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Massive hit to Iran in a very impressive strategic accomplishment
by the Trump administration. No doubt, solid work, guys, everyone,
solid freaking work. But why, where's the proof of Iran's
nuclear program? Where's the proof of the nine bombs? You

(09:47):
hear this if you pay attention more than an hour.
There's supposedly nine they have nine bombs of some sort
that they think are nuclear.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Where's the proof? Where's was the proof.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Of Iran's nuclear program approaching weapons level?

Speaker 4 (10:03):
An?

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Any proof at all?

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Please?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
The US has been saying Iran is two weeks away
from a nuclear weapons since the eighties. Remember the West
Clark seven. I've talked about it on this podcast several
times because I think it's like perpetually relevant, It's always
going to be relevant. The West Clark seven refers to

(10:26):
acclaim by General Wesley Clark, a retired US Army four
star general informer NATO Supreme Allied commander, who disclosed in
a two thousand and seven interview on Democracy Now with
Amy Goodman that shortly after the nine to eleven attacks,
he was informed of a Pentagon planned quote, takeout seven

(10:48):
countries in five years. Say it with me, Say them
with me, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sedan and finally Iran.
Clark described this during conversation with the Pentagon official unnamed
in the interview, who showed him a classified memo from
the Secretary Defense's Office outlining the strategy. Well, you can

(11:10):
just hear him talk about it. And I always noticed
something during this the laughter. It's uncomfortable. It's not uncomfortable
for those laughing. It's uncomfortable to me when I hear
something so big and so important, so shady, so potentially violent,
and laughter.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
It's just strange. Anyway, here's a General Wesley Clark.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Do you see a replay of what happened in the
lead up to the war with a rock the allegations
of the weapons of mass destruction, the media and leaping
on to the bandwagon.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
Well, in a way, but history doesn't repeat itself exactly twice.
What I did warn about when I test right in
front of Congress in two thousand and two, I said,
if you want to worry about a state, it shouldn't
be Iraq, it should be Iran. But this government, our administration,
wanted to worry about Iraq, not Iran.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
I knew why.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
Because I've been through the Pentagon right after nine to eleven.
About ten days after nine to eleven, I went through
the Pentagon and I saw Sacretary Ramsfeld and w Sactary
wolf Witz. I went downstairs, just sail over to some
of the people and the joint staff who used to
work for me. And one of the generals called me
and he said, Sir, you got to come in. You
got to come in and talk to me a second.
I said, well, you're too busy. He said no, no,

(12:36):
he says, we've made the decision. We're going to war
with Iraq. This was Honor about the twentieth of September.
I said, we're going to war with Iraq. Why, he said,
I don't know. He said, I guess they don't know
what else to do. So I said, well, did they

(12:56):
find some information connecting Saddam to al Qaeda. He said, now,
he says, there's nothing new that way. They just made
the decision to go to war with Iraq. He said,
I guess it's like we don't know what to do
about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we
can take down governments. And he said, I guess if
the only two you have is a hammer, every problem

(13:18):
has to look like a nail. So I came back
to see him a few weeks later, and by that
time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, are we
still going to war with Iraq? And he said, oh,
it's worse than that, he said. He reached over on
his desk, he picked up a piece of paper and
he said, I just He said, I just got this
down from upstairs, meaning the Secretary of Events office today
and he said, this is a memo that describes how

(13:40):
we're going to take out seven countries in five years,
starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan,
and finishing off Iran. I said, is it classified? He
said yes, Sir. I said, I said, well, don't show
it to me. And I saw him a year or

(14:01):
so ago and I said, you remember that. He said, sorry,
I didn't show you that memo. I didn't show it
to you.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
I'm sorry, what did you say his name was.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
I'm not going to give you his name.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
So go through the countries again.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
Well, starting with Iraq, then Syria and Lebanon, then Libya,
then Somalia and Sudan, and then back to Iran. So
when you look at Iran, he says, it a replay.
It's not exactly a replay. But here's the truth that Iran,
from the beginning has seen that the presence of the
United States in Iraq was a threat, a blessing because

(14:37):
we took out Saddam Hussein and the Bophists. They couldn't
handle them.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
We took care of it for him.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
But also a threat because they knew that they were
next on the hit list.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
You see, it seems like Iran has no problem until
we need them to be a problem. Maybe, And I
don't have I don't have this thought complete, but that's
what I keep thinking about. They're always there, but we're
not always strategically bombing anything. And that's why I think

(15:12):
they're not a problem. Do we need them to be?
Why do we need them to be. I don't know
they're pesky. I don't know who's not. Every time something
pops off in the Middle East for seemingly, you know,
no legitimate reason. I recite the West Clark seven in
my head. Iraq Sere eleven, on Libya, Smalias, and finally Iran,

(15:36):
it's time's no different. Oh, it's probably because they're threatening Israel.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
There is always someone threatening someone else in the world,
you know, three hundred and fifty five days a year.
But the US isn't always this involved. Israel is like
cheap makeup. It can be used in a pinch to
cover something up, but the cover won't last long. Again,
I'm waiting on any kind of proof of what Iran

(16:06):
has developed that made this kind of strike necessary, and
I haven't seen it yet. Since the late nineteen eighties,
I haven't seen it. This was impressive, for sure. That
mission was impressive, absolutely chest pumping massively impressive. Of course,

(16:28):
of course it was, But so was some of the
stuff we did in Iraq. But we never saw the
weapons of mass destruction George w talked about so much.
Remember to WMDs. We never got any real proof of
WMD's that were referenced for years, did we This in

(16:48):
Iran is starting to smell just like that, And this
leads me right into thinking the President Trump was led
into this by his own Pentagon, the old order Pentagon
that still wants to reshape the entire Middle Eastern region
by force if they have to. This is Secretary of

(17:08):
State Marco Rubio Sunday on meet the press, and maybe
not related to what I just said, but it's a
hag of SoundBite.

Speaker 7 (17:17):
You've said this is not about regime change, but you
were describing a regime that you have said for decades,
I mean, for upwards of forty years, has chanted death
to America. Hasn't all the things you just described. Isn't
a diplomatic deal with them a lifeline? Aren't you offering
to negotiate with the same people you're saying did all
these things? So therefore are you actually missile looks for

(17:38):
regime change?

Speaker 8 (17:41):
That misses the point. I don't like that they chant
those things, But one thing is that they chant those things.
Another thing is that they chant those things, and they
have in terror proxies are all over the world, and
they have long range missiles that can reach the United
States one day and they have the potential to be
one step away from a nuclear weapon. Yeah, well one day,
it could be tomorrow, a week from now, could be
a month from now. You know, all that takes is

(18:02):
the flip of a switch. By the way, they're not
going to broadcast that to the world. By the time
we figure out that they're doing it, you have all
the pieces in place. Okay, it's like here, load gun
here and the ammunition. It only takes one second. We
have other targets that we could hit, but we achieved
our objective. The primary targets we were interested in are
the ones that were struck tonight in devastating fashion. The
ones that were struck I guess yeah tonight over there

(18:23):
their time and devastating fashion. And we've achieved that objective.
There are no planned military operations right now against Iran
unless unless they mess around and they attack American or
American interest, then they're going to have a problem. Then
they're going to have a problem. And I'm not going
to broadcast what those problems are, but suffice it to
say know this. The United States flew halfway around the
world right into the heart of Iran over their most

(18:44):
sensitive locations. These things got rocked and then we left
and we were out of their airspace. We were over
the ocean before they figured out what had happened. And
there's plenty of other targets. We don't want to do that.
That's not our preference. We want peace deals with them,
and that's up to them to decide.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Okay, And so far, the only critics I see are
mostly bottom feeding politicians or claiming it was unconstitutional. And well,
it doesn't take but two minutes to explain why the
strike was constitutional.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
I just did that at the beginning of this episode.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
And all the usual left wing nut jobs on x
and Facebook and all over social media who would scream
and cry about anything they are asked to, they are
asked to scream and cry about this, you see the
only explanation I find why. I found CNN and others
who usually nitpicked and scrutinize everything Trump does, praising the

(19:39):
operation and talking about what a great job Trump did
because propaganda. They got their orders to act like this
strike on Iran was righteous and just and perfectly executed.
It is absolutely propaganda thanks to the Smith Month Act
of twenty twelve, making it lead for the US to

(20:01):
use propaganda on its own people. Thanks Obama. And I
know you're probably rolling your eyes because I bring that
up so much because it needs to be brought up
so much, because it's literally what it did. It amended
something that didn't that made it not legal for the
usdast propaganda on its own citizens, its own taxpayers, and

(20:23):
the Modernization Act in twenty twelve reverse that to where
they are able to use propaganda speaks for itself. It's
not a conspiracy, it's a real thing. That's why I
bring it up, and that's why I believe so much propaganda.
The contrast between CNN I heard last Thursday and the

(20:43):
CNN I heard the day after the strike on Iran
was so sharp, undeniable, and absolutely fake. Also, where are
Iran's allies China, Russia, North Korea? Not a peep, probably
because they out the message too. I keep hearing rumblings

(21:04):
about Russia claiming they may supply Iran with a nuclear weapon,
but I've only heard that on the peripheral and on
social media, which I don't trust. Is that official? I
honestly don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Uh, let me know, is that official? Did you hear
it officially in some official context. Did Putin say that
somewhere let me know you mean both voicemail eight, one,
nine zeros or five or email info dot soapbox champion
at gmail dot com. Uh, we could shut China down
by stopping exports and imports. Guys, it's no big deal.

(21:38):
We already all but stopped their oil import from Iran.
Russia's week. It's it's been in one hundred years, and
North Korea would be a perfect candidate for a strike
exactly like Iran got.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
And they know it.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Be careful what you believe in the next year or so, everyone,
and I'll be here to walk us through it. Well
always really, not just the next year or so. This
was a big one, some kind of chest move, and
there's too many question marks surrounding it. Iran has already
retaliated against retaliated should be in quotes because they launched

(22:19):
a missile attack on the large US air base and
Qatar yesterday. It's the largest US military base in the
Middle East.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
The number of missiles.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Fired matched the number of bombs used by the US
and its air strikes. This was probably a measured response
and aimed at de escalation the attack was intercepted by
Qatar's air defenses and no casualties were reported, as the
base had been evacuated and Iran knew absolutely that those

(22:50):
would be intercepted.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
But they had to do something.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Iran's military described the strike as devastating and powerful it
would have been had it been successful. But additionally, Iran
has called for an emergency UN Security Council meeting to
address the US strikes, labeling them blatant and unlawful act
of aggression. They're probably wrong about that, but I'm sure
they do need to address something because they don't want obliterated.

(23:17):
And supposedly Trump has got a cease fire official now,
but this is going to last three minutes and something
else is going to happen.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
You wait.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
FBI Director Cash Hotel announced last Monday that he's declassified
and handed over to security. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck
Grassley an intelligence report from August of twenty twenty alleging
that the Chinese Communist Party mass produced counterfeit US driver's
license to facilitate fraudulent mail in ballots in favor of

(23:55):
Joe Biden during the twenty twenty US presidential election. The
report originating from the FBI's all butany in New York
Field office was based on information from a confidential source.
Okay and claimed the license were intended to create fake
voter identities for Chinese residents in the US to cast

(24:16):
fraudulent ballots. Patel noted that the allegations were substantiated to
a degree, but were recalled by the FBI and not
fully investigated at the time for some reason, with no
public disclosure until this declassification. Supporting the report, US Customs

(24:36):
and Border Protection intercepted nearly twenty thousand counterfeit YUS driver's
license at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport from January to June
in twenty twenty, with most shipments originating from China and
Hong Kong. The seizures included one, THY, five D and
thirteen shipments, some containing sophisticated fakes with working codes.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's a new one.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Skeptics say the fakes were intended for college kids to
use as fake IDs. Sure, Bud, that's not how it works.
The US penny is being phased out, and I don't
give two cents because I can't.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
It's pennies being phased out anyway.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
The US Treasury Department announced in May that it's placed
its final order for penny blanks, and production of new
pennies will cease when the inventory runs out, likely in
early twenty twenty six. This decision, first reported by Wall
Street Journal, follows President Donald Trump's February twenty twenty five
directive to stop minting pennies due to their high production

(25:43):
cost approximately three point seven cents per penny. According to
the US MINTS twenty twenty four annual Report, that move
is expected to save fifty six million dollars annually in
material cost. Pennies will remain egal tender, but businesses will
likely round cash transactions to the near snickel, while non

(26:06):
cash transactions can retain you know, the exact pricing. This
aligns with trends in countries like Canada, which eliminated it's
penny in twenty thirteen. No big deal, right, Well, maybe
not and maybe not you know in twenty thirteen, But
in twenty twenty five, that's a bigger deal than a

(26:30):
different deal. I remember growing up always hearing the rumor
that it costs the Treasury five cents to produce one penny.
Now it turns out it's only three point seven cents.
But let's look at it another way, and let's hear
from an unlikely source. This is James B.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Jones.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
He's a band favorite cast member from Netflix love on
the Spectrum US Show. And why do I choose James,
Well because he says it and explains really well.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
That's why here he is.

Speaker 9 (27:02):
I have heard I have been reading articles that the
government of the United States may be ceasing production of pennies,
or at least they are seriously considering the idea. Now,
this idea has been considered for quite some time because
pennies cost more money to produce than their face value.

(27:25):
But I believe that the government should still produce them
because they are still a valuable part of our economy.
People do still use them, and losing money is just
part of a government.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
A government should.

Speaker 9 (27:41):
Not be run like a business. Businesses seek to make profits,
but that is not how a government should function. Absolutely not, Yes,
because if the government ceases production of pennies, this means
that all cash transactions shall have needs be routed to
the nearest multiple of five cents. This is not good

(28:01):
at all as far as I am concerned. Because also
I have heard that nichols cost more to produce than
their face value as well, so if the government were
to cease production of pennies, this could start a very
dangerous precedent. The government might contemplate phasing out nichols as well,

(28:22):
And the question is after that, where's they stop? Because
I like using cash, and I would like to imagine
that a significant portion of the population in the United
States prefers to use cash. Also because phasing out pennies
theoretically could lead to a cashless society, which is absolutely
the height of tyranny and authoritarianism. Without any question, Yes,

(28:46):
we must preserve cash at all costs. Yes, I encourage
everyone here to do what they can. Write to your
representatives and your censors, contact your people, your people in
Congress about this. Must save cash at all possible costs. Please,
cash is very valuable. I'm sure that most of us

(29:07):
here have heard the phrase cash is king, and there's
a reason for which that phrase exists.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Yes. Ps.

Speaker 9 (29:13):
Cash does not require any electronic device and it is
untraceable as well. Yes, yes, so please everyone here, I
implore you do what you can to preserve cash. Use
cash whenever possible, show the government, show everyone that there
is still a demand for cash, that it is still popular.
People do still like using cash, yes, yes, so again please,

(29:37):
I encountering on you everyone to continue to use cash.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
And keep it in circulation.

Speaker 9 (29:42):
So thank you very much everyone.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
I like that guy. Uh was he being overly dramatic? No,
he's on the spectrum and that's just how he talks.
And also he's not wrong. The elimination of the penny
has been something I've been hearing about since it's another
thing since I was a kid. But it looks like
it's real this time, and all signs point to it's

(30:06):
on its way out.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Is this a step to.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Escort us into a cashless society? Probably not, Probably not
between now in twenty twenty six. But who would have
thought AI would have looked as it as it as
it does now in kind of a threat.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
But here we are.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
The push for cashlest society comes from a mix of
interests driven by convenience, profit control, and policy goals. Convenience
should be the last on that list, because it is.
Many governments, including the US, Sweden, and China, support cashless
systems to enhance monetary policy control, reduce tax evasion, and

(30:49):
combat financial crimes. Like money laundering. For example, the US
Federal Reserve has been exploring a central bank digital currency
see dubbed fed coin to streamline transactions and enable policies
like negative interest rates, which are harder with cash banks,

(31:12):
credit card companies, fintech, which is financial tech. Fintech firms
like PayPal, Venmo, Apple, pay that stuff. They're all pushing
for cashless systems because digital transactions are profitable. Processing fees
up to three percent per transaction now generate significant revenue,

(31:34):
and digital platforms allow data collection for customer profiling. You
see companies like we Chat and air Allyan, Alipay and
China and Swish and Sweden drive cashless adoption by offering
convenient mobile payment platforms. These firms use high smartphone penetration

(31:59):
and integrate services like e commerce and social networking, transforming
daily transactions. And then there's also large retailers and e
commerce platforms. They favor cashless for faster transactions fifteen percent,
quicker in some cases, lower cash handling costs, and better
accounting transparency. Sure, but you know who hates it?

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Small business?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
They often don't want it because transaction fees cutting into
their already slim margins you see, but that doesn't matter
because it's all about you know, everything put benefiting us.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Basically.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Despite all the advocates, there's a significant pushback as well.
Critics like the ACLU, disability rights groups and privacy advocates
argue cashless systems threatened privacy as every transaction is traceable,
enabling surveillance by governments or corporations. They also exclude vulnerable
groups like low income, elder the unbanked, which currently is

(33:03):
seven percent somehow of US households in twenty fifteen it
may be greater now, or those in areas with poor internet,
which I completely understand that. Here's what I think. The
drive for a casual society comes from governments, banks, tech

(33:24):
firms and all those people are rarely on your side. Also,
the risks to privacy, inclusion, and what about the risk
the cyber attacks or just outages. I don't like it,
not the way it sits now, not the way it's
presented now, and not anytime soon, please, thank God. I

(33:46):
don't want anything upsetting the world we live in now.
All we have is our cash, you know, we have
what we own, our tires, you know, our cars, our
grass out there, stop don't screw something like that now
not Now, hold on to your pennies, you guys. They'll
be worth more than ever after the apocalypse. The Sackler

(34:10):
family haven't heard from them or about them in a while.
That's on purpose and probably paid for. They're the owners
of Perdue Pharma. They reached a significant seven point four
billion dollars settlement announced on June sixteenth. Did you hear
about it? Of course you didn't. That addressed their role

(34:32):
in the US opioid crisis. The settlement, backed by all
fifty US states, Washington, DC, and four US territories, resolve
litigation against Perdue Pharma and the Sacklers for aggressively marketing oxyconton,
which fueled widespread addiction and overdoses. The Sackler family will

(34:52):
contribute approximately six point five billion dollars over fifteen years,
with an initial payment of one point five billion in
Perdue Pharma, adding nine hundred million upon emerging from bankruptcy.
Perdue Pharma file Chapter eleven bankruptcy on September fifteenth, twenty nineteen,
primarily due to overwhelming legal and financial pressures from thousands

(35:18):
of lawsuits related to its role in opioid crisis. The
majority of funds will be distributed within the first three
years to support addiction, treatment, prevention, and recovery programs good
The settlement ends the Sackler's control of Purdue Pharma as well,
transforming it into a public benefit company focused on opioid

(35:39):
debatement with profits directed to crisis mitigation. The families also
barred from selling opioids in the US. How come we
haven't heard of this? Unlike a previous six billion dollar
deal rejected by the U. S. Supreme Court in twenty
twenty four for shielding the Sacklers from civil law suits.

(35:59):
This this agreement allows individuals and entities to pursue civil
claims against the family if they opted out of the
settlement different state allocations like New York two hundred and
fifty million, Pennsylvania two hundred million, North Carolina one hundred
fifty million, Utah fifty seven million, Iowa thirty eight million,

(36:22):
et cetera, et cetera. They'll receive funds for over fifteen years,
with the mounts varying based on local government participation. The
settlement follows years of litigation accusing Purdue Pharma and the
Sacklers of deceptive marketing that downplayed oxycontins addictiveness. It's the
largest opioid related settlement involving individuals to date, though critics

(36:46):
note the sacklers estimated eleven billion dollar net worth means
they retain significant wealth. But yeah, they do, but they
also give up significant wealth. So screwm If you want
to get a few for how the family was involved
in that business and pushing of pain pills, here's a
couple things for you to watch, and I've watched both.

(37:09):
Dope Sick from twenty twenty one. It's a mini series
eight episodes on Hulu. It's a drama starring Michael Keaton.
It dramatizes the opioid crisis, focusing on Purdue Pharma's aggressive
promotion of OxyContin under Richard Sackler's leadership. It portrays the
family's internal dynamics, their denial of responsibility, and the devastating

(37:34):
effects on communities. And Dope Sick really gives you a
sense how dark and how evil comes to mind. It's
weird to call a family evil, but just Dope Sick
really paints them, And I believe a correct light.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I don't think you understand and do you see it
put together like Dope Sick. Does you know you think
that Perdue Pharma is a giant building or a series
of buildings, and uh, the Sackler family just started it,
you know, and then live rich somewhere. No, they were
actively involved in the pushing, they were actively involved in

(38:17):
the lying, They were actively involved in addiction.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Dope Sick on Hulu. Watch that also, uh a Netflix
mini series called Painkiller uh directed by Peter Berg and the
series stars Matthew Broderick as Richard Sackler. It dramatizes the
marketing strategies that fueled oxyconton spread and the result resulting
in addiction crisis. Another good one.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
UH.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
This this was more uh that that area between the
Sacklers and Purdue Pharma and UH healthcare providers.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
It's it's good.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
It's just an I pick Dope Sick if you're gonna
watch one, But they're both great. After those, which kind
of serve as a crash course into the Sackler family,
you should watch Crime in the Century now. This is
a documentary straight documentary, also from twenty twenty one, same
year as Dope Sick. That's from HBO, directed by Alex Gibney.

(39:21):
It's a two part documentary, which is tops for me.
A two part doc is awesome. I don't want four
or five parts, I want.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
One or two. The end.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
It examines the opioid crisis broadly but prominently features Perdue,
Pharma and the Sacklers. It details their marketing tactics, legal battles,
and attempts to evade accountability. I've seen all three and
the one that really got me was Dope Sick. It's gritty,

(39:51):
it's real, and does a good job at making you
realize how far the family and their and their pill
you know, reach in society.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
It's mind blowing.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
It stars Michael Keaton, you know, we all know him,
but also Peter Scars, stars guard Will Poulter and Caitlyn Deaver,
who I've liked since She played one of the daughters,
the one that was enlisted in I Think the Army
on the TV show Last Man Standing. Currently, she plays
a major role as Abby in the HBO series The

(40:26):
Last of Us, which I love. In Dope Sick, she
plays a young woman innocently addicted to oxy conton and
really sells the role as very realistic. Dope Sick is
very good certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, eighty nine percent
of critic score and a very high ninety four percent

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audience score.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Which is what I pay attention to. Go look at it.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
And speaking of TV shows and the like, anybody watched
The Secret of skin Walk the Ranch that series on
the History Channel. I watched maybe the entire first season.
Nothing was ever revealed and was boring, And now the
show is on its sixth season.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Somehow, Dude, look at that.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
There's something in it?

Speaker 6 (41:16):
May soa that's not supposed to be the footenne heck,
are we looking at it?

Speaker 3 (41:20):
The ta is back.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I'm really excited.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
To launch this next chapter of our investigation.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
We're putting a lot of new equipment out here on
this property.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Burn Baby Barn.

Speaker 10 (41:30):
This strange bubble that we are dealing with may provide
the answers at Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 6 (41:36):
Something's hacked into your system wirelessly.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
This is like CIA kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Now they're closer than effort.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
All of the things we've done in our lives led
us to this moment to the truth. There's a manufactured
material inside the mason.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
This is fixing it. So this could change the world.
But are they too close.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
I show elevated Gamma reading.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
I'm gonna we're evacuating now there go.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
There are dark forces at work at Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 10 (42:08):
The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch, and you see something premier's Tuesday,
June thirty eight, only on the History Channel.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I don't know how it's made it six seasons. I
might reveal that though in a minute. Uh, that trailer
sounded pretty good, right, yeah, But every episode is that trailer,
peaks and valleys.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
It's It's a terrible show.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Every season, in every episode is exactly like that trailer,
all over the place, big discoveries that lead to big nothing.
Sometimes they will get excited about something and spend a
lot of time about talking about something, but didn't They
just never mentioned it again, over and over again. I
can't watch it anymore. So why the hell am I

(42:56):
mentioning it? I usually don't tell you about anything that
I don't like. Well serve as a warning and a revelation.
Maybe because I learned something more fascinating and more shadowy
about Skinwalker Ranch than anything ever on the stupid show.
Skinwalker Branch is a five hundred and twelve acre property

(43:16):
in Utah known for an alleged paranormal and UFO activity
currently owned by Brandon Fugl, a Utah based real estate
mogul and tech investor, through his company Adamantium Real Estate LLC.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Feugle purchased the ranch in twenty sixteen from Robert Bigelow,
an aerospace billionaire who owned it from ninety six to
twenty sixteen for paranormal research. Feugl is a member of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints Okay,
commonly known as the Mormon Church, which is pitquartered in Utah,

(43:56):
so that makes sense. His LDS faith is noted in
profiles like Famous Mormons and posts on social media where
users describe him as a devout Mormon. While Fugel is religious,
there's no evidence that is LDS faith directly influences ownership
or management of the Skinwalker Ranch. No evidence you know

(44:21):
that anyone talks about. But certain LDS teachings and speculative
interpretations by members touch on concepts that could relate to dimensions,
extra dimensions, different dimensions, particularly in context of spiritual realms,
eternal worlds, and the nature of existence. Basically, Mormons believe

(44:46):
in a pre mortal existence where human spirits lived with
God before being born on earth, as described in The
Pearl of Great Price Abraham three verses three through twenty
eight of the Mormon Whatever you call their books, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Aren't they made of gold or something?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
This spiritual or spirit world was not defined as a
scientific dimension, but as a distinct state or place of
existence after death. According to Mormon, spirits reside in the
spirit world, divided into paradise and prison until the resurrection,

(45:28):
as taught in Doctrine and Covenants one point thirty eight.
This realm is considered separate from the physical world, but
not explicitly dimensional in a physics sense. These teachings suggest
non physical plane of existence, which some members might interpret

(45:49):
it as can to another dimension. Mormon theology includes the
concept of multiple worlds created by God that's found in
their Moses Chapter one, verses thirty three through thirty five.
That again, that's they call that the Pearl of Great Price,
worlds without number I have created, it says. This implies

(46:11):
that a vast eternal cosmos where God oversees countless planets
and creations. The idea that humans can become like God,
creating a governing worlds that's in doctrines and covenants UH
one thirty two, Verse twenty suggests existence in other realms.

(46:33):
Some Mormons speculate these worlds could exist in different states
or dimensions after judgment. Mormons believe again different individuals inherit
one of three kingdoms of glory Celestial, terrestrial, and celestial
or rarely outer darkness. These kingdoms are described as distinct

(46:58):
realms with varying degrees of glory in presence of God.
While they don't call them dimensions, their separation and unique
characteristics like the celestial kingdom being lying to the glory
of the sun you know, could be interpreted to some
as dimensions or dimension like distinctions. A There's also something

(47:24):
called the veil of forgetfulness and spiritual perception. Mormons teach
the day quote unquote veil separates mortals from their pre
mortal knowledge and direct communion with God, allowing you know,
free agency I guess during earth life. Spiritual spiritual experiences

(47:47):
like visions or revelation are seen as a piercing the
veil to access divine or spiritual truth extraterustrial life. Mormons,
given the doctrine of worlds without number, many Mormons are
open to the idea of life on other planets, paranormal

(48:09):
and spiritual phenomena. Some Mormons interpret unexplained phenomena like UFO
spiritual manifestations, all the stuff Skinwalker Ranch related as possible
linked to the spiritual realm or divine purpose. Fugal's perspective,
Fugle devout Mormon, frames his investigations as scientific, not religious. However,

(48:35):
his face openness to cosmic creation and spiritual realms might
make him receptive to exploring such phenomena, though he avoids
LDS connections publicly and never on the show. Utah's LDS
culture Foster's curiosity about the unknown given doctrines like the

(48:57):
eternal worlds. Some people know that Fugal's faith could align
his interest in the ranch's mysteries. The ranch's phenomena are
studied secularly with no official again, no official church involvement
or endorsement, of course, not or is it is the

(49:18):
secret of Skinwalker Ranch. The fact that it's Mormon propaganda
is that all that show is. There's no doubt that
the major players on the show are like a little
I don't Off, I don't know Off and Bryant Dragon Arnold,

(49:41):
the chief security offer officer, is said to be Mormon,
but he hasn't confirmed it on the show. They will
never confirm any of this on that show. Arnold, a
Utah resident and Fugal's friend for over twenty five years
as a licensed security officer whatever that means. Who carries
a twelve gage shotgun for ranch protection?

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Okay. His close ties to Fugal and Utah route suggests
that he probably is LDS, as the church is common
among long term Utah residents.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
So what am I saying, Craig, What are you getting
at All I'm saying is I think we've been watching
the History Channel pay for a couple of Mormons to
desperately try and confirm their religion's doctrine in the middle
of a five d and twelve acre of sacred grounding Utah,

(50:34):
And I think that's sneaky. And now it's time for sports.
In twenty twenty four, speaking to Utah, the Utah Hockey Club,
the NHL's news franchise based in Salt Lake City, played
its inaugural season after relocating from Arizona. They were formerly

(50:57):
the Arizona Coyotes. The team owned by Ryan Smith, also
a Mormon, like the Skinwalker ranch owner, just throwing it
out there. Just a trivia sold out all forty one
home games at the Delta Center, setting a record for
the fastest season tickets sellout by the NHL expansion or

(51:19):
relocation team in history, with over sixteen thousand deposits in
the first forty eight hours. And that's gonna do it
this weekend Sports Not right, Do you guys remember what
the show does next? It's that awkward quote of the week.

(51:44):
It just is awkward for me. I don't know why.
Why would this be any different than anything.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Else I do on the show.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Well, it's because a quote is hard to ramp up
to you. It's hard to talk about outside the quote itself,
and it's hard to get out of it. It's a
weird ramp up and a weird out, and it's awkward
for me. Okay, it just is. But I've always liked quotes.
I have books of quotes.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I just like it. I feel like I want to
involve it in the show. So I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
This week's quote of the week you've already heard, and
we'll hear it again right now.

Speaker 8 (52:18):
The United States flew halfway around the world right into
the heart of Iran, over their most sensitive locations. These
things got rocked and then we left and we were
out of their airspace. We were over the ocean before
they figured out what had happened.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
That was Secretary of State Marco Rubio on the our
hands strengths and to counter all that machismo and all
that hard ass, It's time for sugar. Doctor Henry Hoby
Wedler sound familiar. I bet you've seen him on social media.
He's an American chemist, entrepreneur, and sensory expert. Born completely

(52:57):
blind due to a rare condition, he earned his PhD
in as PhD in Organic chemistry from the University of California,
Davis in twenty sixteen. He founded a nonprofit in twenty
eleven to lead chemistry camps for blind and visually impaired students.
He developed Tasting in the Dark, a blindfolded wine tasting experience,

(53:22):
in collaboration with Francis Ford Coppola's Winery, expanding it globally
across various industries. Co founded Hobey's Essentials, a gourmet seasonings
company with braille labeled products, and sense Point, a creative
marketing firm focused on Sensory Design, recognized by President Obama

(53:45):
as a champion of change for enhancing opportunities for people
with disabilities in STEM, named in Forbes thirty under thirty
in Food and Drink, and listed as a forty under
forty Taste maker by Wine Enthusiasts and twenty twenty one.
Wedler is a motivational speaker. He's an educator advocate for accessibility,

(54:08):
emphasizing sensory literacy and innovative thinking. He serves on boards
like the Earl bamb Center for the Blind and works
with organizations like access CB, accessibee. It's hard to say
it promotes web accessibility and all that's great it is.

(54:28):
I mean that sincerely. That's one heck of a resume.
It's a lot of accomplishments. But this week's sugar is
doctor Hoby on Instagram, and I'll let him explain because
he's better at it.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
I want you to take.

Speaker 11 (54:42):
A minute and sit back or stand still, and take
a deep breath and imagine.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
For me what it was like when you were a
little kid.

Speaker 11 (54:53):
And you were so excited about running around outside fewing
the mud. Between your maybe walking out in your garden
and picking a tomato or crawling around in a lavender field.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Oh, and smelling that amazing.

Speaker 11 (55:11):
Herbaceous perfume that is unmistakably lavender. This was me as
a kid. My parents grew a lot of lavender. They
grew tomatoes, they grew cucumbers, peppers, kale, collards.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
You name it. We pretty much grew it in our garden.

Speaker 11 (55:29):
And I would get so excited about running out to
the garden, grabbing a tomato and bringing it in.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
And showing it to my family. Guys, look what I found.
Look at this cherry tomato. Now, let's taste it.

Speaker 11 (55:43):
Or look at this cucumber. Let's taste it together. And
we would sit there and we would taste it and
we would talk about it. My goal is to allow
everybody to have that energy as if they were a
little kid again, enjoying life, sinking their teeth into experiences,
and just living the best, most joyful life they can.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
I was born totally blind.

Speaker 11 (56:10):
I had never been able to see light, but that
doesn't stop me from loving every part of life. I
would often go out to the garden and pick stuff
and bring it in. That taught my parents that I
was really excited about cooking. They always had super high
expectations of me. They never lowered the bar. They taught
me to take responsibility for myself and my actions.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
If I did something.

Speaker 11 (56:33):
Right, I got the credit. If I failed at something,
I took the blame. That's so they raised me and
my sided brother equal amounts of work. Maybe the chores
were different, but they were equal. Because I loved the
garden so much, and I loved smelling things and putting
flavors together. I was tasked with cooking large pots of
soup that we would freeze in small containers, either for

(56:55):
lunches or easy weeknight dinners. I learned what flame went
well together, what flavors didn't go well together.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Why do shrimp and turnips not work together? Well?

Speaker 11 (57:06):
They just don't taste right when they're mixed in one pot.
Carrot and ginger is a brilliant combination.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I found doctor Hoby on social media tasting different and
odd fruits and vegetables and describing.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
It in only a way he his own specific way.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Now it's much different than a sightless person just describing something.
He has his own way, his own enthusiasm, and his
own well flavor of how he does it with his
experiences his expertise and lack of sight, and when you're
listening and watching him, everything else seems to go away.

(57:51):
I think it's because he is so descriptive that you
want to hear every word, and I swear you can
almost taste it with him.

Speaker 11 (58:00):
De copon citrus. Hi, I'm doctor Hoby. I'm your guide
to some of the greatest things the world has to offer.
This beautiful citrus has a top knot on it, and
this top knot is very characteristic of what the citrus is.
It's like royalty, it's got a crown on it. It

(58:21):
was originated in Japan in nineteen seventy two and has
gained great popularity in the United States. What I love
about citrus.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Is when you first break the skin, Oh oh that smell.
Look at how thick the skin is and how easy
it comes off. I can almost get it off here
in one piece. This citrus was invented in Kyoto, Japan,

(58:50):
and it's a cross between the Kiyomi mandarin and Ponkon Mandarin.
And you can see, oh, there's the beautiful fruit. It
is larger than a standard mandarin, almost the size of
a small orange.

Speaker 10 (59:04):
Let me taste this, Oh, no, that is so sweet.
It is full of juice, absolutely delicious. These actually came
to the United States in twenty eleven and were marketed
as Sumo citrus. Have become an incredibly popular fruit right

(59:29):
here in this country. It is sweet, it is juicy,
high in water content, lots of fiber, and lots of
vitamin C. It's a great treat for kids because it's
so easy to peel stick it in their lunch box.
It's also an amazing fruit in terms of its versatility,
used by chefs and cocktails, sauces, desserts, and you can

(59:53):
just see how easily these sections pull apart. Citrus is
one of my absolute favorites. They're stored, actually this particular citrus,
for about twenty to forty days after harvesting in order
to increase that beautiful sugar content. Have yourself a de
Copon citrus or what you might find in the United

(01:00:14):
States as psumo citrus.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Gosh, the skin I was noticing as I was talking
is so floral.

Speaker 11 (01:00:23):
It smells like a if you've smelled daphne, which blooms
in the late winter. It's actually a Greek plant, but
it does really well in all Mediterranean climates. This smell
just reminds me of a flower bed full of daphne.

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
Yum.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
So relaxing, it's so very descriptive, and he gets into
everything he tastes. He's very into it, even if he
doesn't like it. He described an ate a tamarind pod
in one post and I actually said, or he actually said,
he doesn't like them, but he did the video anyway

(01:01:00):
and just the same, and it was I was right
there with him. I swear to you, I could actually
tell I didn't like them either. Thanks Doctor Hoby for
what you do. I enjoy your videos very very much,
and that's why doctor Hoby is this week's sugar.

Speaker 12 (01:01:18):
Sugar is eight times as atis cole Cane.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
And I'm gonna leave a link to his Instagram and
this week's episode description. Speaking of this week's episode, uh,
it's over, just like that episode one ninety is it over?
Thanks for listening, you guys. I appreciate it, and thanks
to the weirdos who watched the show. You can do
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(01:01:45):
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(01:02:07):
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(01:02:56):
I'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I'll see it.

Speaker 11 (01:03:04):
Adam Carolla here, governor, Why did you shut the beaches
in California during COVID?

Speaker 12 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I think we all were working on information at
the time. Uh, we had no basis of deeply understanding
uh the virus.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
I think they shut the beach like Florida.

Speaker 11 (01:03:25):
If you didn't know anything, why'd you shut the beaches?

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Well, we didn't know.

Speaker 12 (01:03:30):
Yeah, because people were concerned early in the pandemic. Information
was coming out as it related to how it was transferred, uh,
the disease, and people were cautious trying to keep people alive.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
And I should say this, I don't know California.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
So you shut the beaches, okay? And your rested. A
guy was paddle border in the health wealth And.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Yeah, any and are dining?

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Why you shut down outdoor dining? Go ahead, go It's
good to see on science the end of the day.

Speaker 12 (01:04:07):
The debate tonight, it's not the debate you shout I'm
looking forward to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Has nothing to do with science.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
All right, Let people all go ahead.

Speaker 12 (01:04:17):
All this happened in the with members of the Trump
administration providing council UH and providing recommendations to states like mine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Very much part of that Trump record as well.