July 7, 2025 • 27 mins
In Part 2 of Snap Material's July 2025 episode, Jesse and Evan return to unpack the latest card unlocks, fan reactions, and the broader meta in Marvel Snap. Kicking off with a deep dive into their variant hauls and newly acquired cards, the hosts revel in highlights like disco-themed characters, Dan Hipp artwork, and long-coveted additions such as Mercury, Xorn, and Clea. Evan shares creative deck ideas, including Marvel Boy synergy with Clea and nostalgia-driven variant stories, while Jesse celebrates his progress and favorite pulls like Ancient One and disco Venom.
The conversation then pivots to the controversy surrounding the latest season's monetization tactics—especially the backlash over Kid Omega's unattainable status in the High Voltage Overdrive event. They explore fan frustration on Reddit, calls to boycott, and Second Dinner’s response. Both hosts bring level-headed perspectives, acknowledging the frustration while evaluating their personal impact and maintaining a balanced view of the game’s free-to-play structure.
Finally, Jesse and Evan reflect on the current meta. They discuss their mixed results in Sanctum Showdown, the dominance of Destroy decks fueled by Dormammu, and the noticeable presence of cards like Merlin and Nightmare. Despite some gripes, their enthusiasm for the game remains intact, as they cap off another insightful and entertaining look into the world of Marvel Snap.
The conversation then pivots to the controversy surrounding the latest season's monetization tactics—especially the backlash over Kid Omega's unattainable status in the High Voltage Overdrive event. They explore fan frustration on Reddit, calls to boycott, and Second Dinner’s response. Both hosts bring level-headed perspectives, acknowledging the frustration while evaluating their personal impact and maintaining a balanced view of the game’s free-to-play structure.
Finally, Jesse and Evan reflect on the current meta. They discuss their mixed results in Sanctum Showdown, the dominance of Destroy decks fueled by Dormammu, and the noticeable presence of cards like Merlin and Nightmare. Despite some gripes, their enthusiasm for the game remains intact, as they cap off another insightful and entertaining look into the world of Marvel Snap.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Now we want to get into our discussion on the
meta and our unlocks. I'll let you go first on
the unlocks here, Evan, while I pull up my marble snap.
Go ahead and go through your unlocks, if you would please.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay, Well, I started off with an artist whose name
I can't pronounce, but I have read some of their
work in comics or we're seeing it as Simone beat
Bianchi task Master, kind of up close of the skull
mask he has. Then the right after that is when
I got Nicholas Scratch got a Michael Ivan Grandmaster, which
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is definitely a thing. I did spin Gold to get
the pandart Studio Circe because it actually looks like.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Circe Oh from the comic Like a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Of the variants are ones that are more like her
contemporary design, which is based on Jim a Chan that
played her in the movie. So it doesn't look like
the version of Sirce I know, but it's still is
a recognizable character. And whoever drew the main art on
the serse card is a much better artist than I am.
But it doesn't look like Sirce. It looks like mantas Oh.
(01:24):
So this one loo looked more like the classic Circe,
and I used her a few times. Then I got
the Venomized Nova, which I remember as one of the
earliest variants I ever saw, but I just now got it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Then I pulled the trigger on Merlin, followed that up
with a dan Hip Drax, and then I got enough tokens.
And there's so many cards I want, and there's asthme cuckoo.
I don't think it's bad, but had it in my head.
I'll be happy with this one. This one, this one
really just the only one I don't want to You're
not even the one I thought you were. Then I
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did have enough tokens that I took a shot at
season four and got Mercury. We talked about her more
last time. Is an even better running mate for your
boy cannon Ball than Professor X these days, right, But
I played a lot with her in High voltage, just
put her in, moved her if I needed to, and
then had cannon Ball take out whoever whoever I wanted
(02:22):
him to. Got the Winking Studios Doctor Strange variant that
does the version you see when you open the game.
Got a very cool Flaviano Juggernaut variant. Have you seen this?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I don't know if I have.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
In this weird light and Wolverine's coming at him, Okay,
I'm sending it to you. Juggernauts got some good variants,
so at one time we need to do a top
five of the cards with the best variants. I'd like that,
just just the the cards that you know, top to
bottom have the have the best variance. But that Juggernaut
one is awesome. I got an Ink split a squirrel
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Girl baby variant. Got hell and g America Chavez, which
is kind of like an anime version of America. I
can't remember if I paid for this one. I think
I just got it randomly. But I got the Werewolf
by Night disco variant. I did not think anything could
usurp my silver Age Werewolf by Night variant, but it's
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classic Werewolf by Night and he's howling at a disco ball.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I got the Marco Fila mystique where she's jumping at
the camera with guns out and morphing into somebody else.
I don't know if it's supposed to be more McTaggart
or just some random lady, but I did spin gold
to get the what If variant of Vision, which is
the cover from a comic I have nice Umber nineteen
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what If Vision Conquered the World.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
We now have two what If covers out there that
I know of, because we've got the high evolutionary one
and then that one. So that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Pixel Angela Winking Studios, Baron Mordo again from the season
Pass Ryan Gonzalez Shang Chi, where shuan Chi looks pretty
normal and then there's little chiv versions of his brothers
and sisters climbing on him. Weapon ex Warpath, which is
Warpath in a black and white costume. Went for another
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Series five pack. I forget who I was hoping for there,
but I got Prodigy, which I did want Prodigy, but
he was lower on my list.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Like Prodigy. I didn't like Prodigy.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, I've used him in a couple of things, and
he probably ought to go in Cap Cap Doom with
the Ongoings, I wasn't too excited, not because the art
was bad, but just because the character doesn't do much
for me. I wasn't too excited about the grand Master
variant earlier, but that's before I got the dan Hip
grand Master, which is the Jeff Goldbloom Incarnation.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Nice, very nice.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So I didn't think I I would have much use
for Grandmaster, but the cards find a way.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I'm right, good, good. That's also a nice reference.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
There you go, thank you. I got a Paul Ronad Murder,
so another good looking murder card that I probably won't use,
but she's a good one to play with Nightmare.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I went back to the series five well and got Zorn,
who I really wanted. I had some good ideas with him.
I don't think any of those decks are still together.
I did use him a lot in High Voltage, Okay, yeah,
I think it was your idea that we had talked
about Zorn and Jean Gray, and I used that a
lot in High Voltage, but not anywhere else really. I
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got a dan Hip Nihilist, which I spent gold on
to add to an album, and that got me to
the ten variants you can buy in the shop. And
I got a steampunk green Goblinka which I immediately made
my custom card with bubbles. Let's see. Then I got
and I think this was an album prize maybe or no,
(06:06):
I don't know. I got a dan Hip Captain Marvel
Pixel Rock Slide got your Boy Cobra, No Pixel Devil Dinosaur.
Devil Dinosaur would be in contention for that top five.
A Variance List got Morgan le Fe, the Winking Studios,
Merlin Gold Split Pixie got a Julio RINCIONI has Matt
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where she looks like she's stepping on you. Astral Projection
got a food Fight she Hulk and I'm like, oh good,
this will go toward the album. But wasn't there a
food Fight album?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I thought there was?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It ain't there. This is the hip one I bought
with Gold. I got the dan Hip Cloak, which let
me complete an album and unlocked the dan Hip Werewolf
by Night. Then I got the Blueprint Hulkbuster variant.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Love those love the Blueprints.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Then I got Clea and wrapped it up with the
one I know you saw on Facebook earlier, disco Forge,
which is so even if it wasn't disco or anything else,
it's just a freaking awesome image.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh yeah, So I found where I left off. I
think I had this disco I talked about this disco
venom in there, so I guess my next new card
would have been sore On. I got the sour On variant.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Album, wasn't it disco Venom disco Venom?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
That's right, Pantheon sare on. Uh. Then I got Mercury.
I took a chance. I was worried I wasn't going
to get her, ended up with her, and I was
so excited. So I got Mercury.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You played her with cannonball.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yet let's see, I ink split this Luke cage, which
I kind of like. As soon as I got her,
I put together a cannonball deck. I assume this is
a new one here. This is a creative house pocket
Jeff the baby land Shark. Then we got the ancient one.
Talked about that all ready. Then I've got this version
(08:02):
of Silk here, venomized silk.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
A.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Banana split cone wing. I think I finished out a
spider Man album. I got a Peach Momoco spider Man variant,
and then this was the Yesuke Marata variant of Spider Man.
Both of them are really cool. Yeah, we have a
Scotty Young Debris.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Nice. She looks like a Peanuts character in that for
some reason, she does Scotty. I don't say that in
a negative way.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Then it looks like we've got a pixel swarm. Then
mall in Hucklee Ebity mall, Yes, yeah, I like that one.
We got Nightmare. We have this version of Beast, the
gray version.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I think in the comics that was right after he
first got all Harry. He was gray for a while.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
He was grey, okay. And then we have oh yes,
got a young baby variant black Panther.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It also looks like a Peanuts character that's got a
young to do a Marvel Peanuts crossover, do it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Ink split a pixel Wolverine. We then have the White
Vision here Dale keone art you know like this is.
I think this one's been around for a while. I've
seen him played quite a few times. I am yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That one really hits you in the pit of your stomach,
doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
That's right image comics Baby this right here, Max Greky
right gotta be Yep, it's a Max Grecy doo. Now
I know what his art looks like, solely because of
snap cards. We have Dan Hip Living Tribunal Nice. Then
I ended up with a lixer out of a pack.
I bought a pack, ended up with a mixer. I
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haven't put him in a deck at all. I finished
the season and got into you know once you hit
the card back. I think after that, it's just like
every thing. This is one of the ones that was
unlocked in those season cases. But anyway, it's a fury
of Groot, variant of Groot.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
But you can just hear him saying, I am Groot,
but like angry.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, oh yeah, he's mad. He is mad about it.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Hey, you do what to say about his bark is
worse than his bite?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh look out, bark is worse than his byte collector
level nineteen thousand and seventy three. Bring yours up? Respond
And then as far as what do I want to
hit here, I need to go to the shop. I
have about eight thousand and tokens sitting there, eighty seven
hundred and seventy five. I had to look today to
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see what exactly is coming up next season, because I
don't know I might have wanted to spend some more.
After our discussion about Klea, I'm almost like, oh wow,
now I'm kind of liking that card seven and seventy
five sitting there.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
One I can get about one season five pack a week.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Get just enough to not force myself to.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Save Okay, all right, let me go ahead, and get
out of here. Well, let's go ahead and we'll talk
about the meta. Look, I know we always talk about
how negative Reddit can be. It's something that happens. Uh,
it's just I think.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
They find were complaining about Reddit.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I so yeah. This past season, with the addition
of high voltage Overdrive and the fact that kid Omega
was not attainable like previous high voltage cards were. It's
not easily attainable. It's probably the best way to put it,
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it drummed up quite an uproar. People were really getting
up set because what ended up happening is they were like, Okay, yeah,
here's kid Omega. You guys can get it. It's only
fifty thousand volts. And then when you start doing the math,
you realize that you're never going to get to fifty
thousand volts. You may get their close and then you
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could buy some vaults to maybe make up the difference,
and then you can get yourself kidd Omega. A lot
of people did not like that at all. So I
went to the reddits today as we were getting ready
to discuss tonight, and I was just like, okay, show
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me the top Marvel snap Stories, Top Marvel snap Reddit
posts in the past month, So I figured that's going
to be a nice snapshot of the season, right, sob.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Sir.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And the first and the highest, the most upvoted post
was by Sparky ring Doove, top one percent poster in
Marvel Snap Reddit Marvel Snap r slash Marvel Snap post
goes like this, stop all purchases, simple as that the
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game is done now. When he said that, I was like,
what do you mean the game is done? Well, you
know that's what went through my head. Did something occur
here because I knew all about the fury and people
be an outraged boycott Marvel Snap whatever. But this guy
makes it sound like the next sentence, anything you purchase
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at this point is very risky, as it seems this
game might not exist much longer. Kid Nomega, Cobra, Mister,
Fantastic first Steps, fantastic car, leave it all behind. Do
not purchase these you may literally be throwing money away.
And reminder, they all become a available just a month
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later if the game servers are still up at that time.
So yeah, I'm sitting here thinking like, okay, wow, what
is going on because I didn't hear anything about them
shutting down. Then we got an update here. Appreciate the support,
but we must raise the presence of every negative post
on this page. Do the same and discord make it
known they are killing the game. Update two seriously love
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to support. This is gotten. I plan on taking a
break from Reddit this weekend. However, on Monday, I plan
on consolidating all the feedback from this post into one
to relay a second dinner. How destructive their choice is.
If there are any bigger voices out there, let's help
get this as big as possible. I want a post
like this to overwhelm them if they refuse to hear
us on their controlled discord channel. This was fifteen days ago.
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I did scan down a little bit further, and I'll
just kind of elaborate here because I was definitely thinking, oh,
do they know something I didn't see about them shutting down? Obviously,
what they're doing is they are assuming that the way
that this game is going to continue is going to
result in people abandoning the game, and therefore nobody will
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be left to play, and at some point it's going
to shut down. Somebody finally asked the question grand poppol
perp here, why would it seem to not exist any longer.
What news did I missed? They basically said, the new
shop for High Voltage is intentional and some cards will
be discountable via events. I have played some really scummy
card games on mobile, but I have never seen a
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game have a big event where the earnable card was
just getting a discount. So okay, all right, well yeah
this one ho. We're back to square one where we
were talking about kid Omega being a card that you
could not get for free by grinding out. You had
to pay. It was a discount. So my understanding is
when this big thing exploded, people were taking to Reddit.
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Obviously they were also taking to the discord and there
was a reply and I don't know if you saw
it or not, but second Dender did write something out
and said, hey, yeah, we hear what you're saying. Our
intention was never to give you this card. Our intention
was to offer this at a discount for you. If
you play Maximum Overdrive High Voltage, you are going to
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get it. Our intention was to allow you the opportunity
to get close enough to get it at a discount.
So that really rubbed people the wrong way. You mentioned
earlier that you were hoping they were going to do
a big drop. There was a very popular YouTuber who
expressed his frustration in a forty minute video about how
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much he loved this game. He loved it at the beginning,
he spent a lot of money on it. Obviously he's
grown a fan base because of it. But because of
the choices they made, specifically the choice that they did
not go back and say, Okay, we're going we understand,
he said, in the past when they would have these issues,
and I think there was something that happened in the
last High Voltage. Maybe it was Sanctum Showdown, where these
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cards felt really out of like out of reach, and
then they were like, okay, let's do something to kind
of alleviate that. In the past, what would happen is
when the fans were upset second dinner, It's like, Okay,
we understand what you're saying here, let's go ahead, let's
find a middle ground here, and they were just doubled
down and they didn't care. So I'm done talking about it. Really,
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I mean I I let me just put it this way.
Did it influence me as far as my playing goes
this season? I definitely felt the where on Sanctum Showdown,
High Voltage Overdrive or whatever it was. When High Voltage
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first dropped some the praises of it because I loved
how quick it was. You get any card you wanted
out there practically, and this go round it was like, Okay,
I looked at the card and was like, wow, I'm
never gonna get there, so I'm just gonna have fun
playing for these vaults and then I'm just gonna grab
credits or spend my vaults on a border or something
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like that. So I think High Voltage, as far as
hig Voltage goes, I played that for a good bit.
Sanctum Showdown rolls around, and I really I was not
as interested in Sanctum Showdown as I was now, as
far as you and I both, we spend a pittance
on this game. When we do, I'm not buying huge bundles,
We're not doing any of that stuff. I don't know
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if this is egregious enough for me personally to go, Okay, guys,
this is a game breaker. It's not really for me
because I've seen how much their bundles cost. I know
that they're shooting for the whale that's got all the
money to spend one hundred bucks on a card and
some gold and whatever and some credits. That's something I'm
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never going to do. And I don't see the game failing.
I certainly don't see people leaving the game in droves.
I see people getting upset, but it's still free to
as far as it is right now, talk to me
in about six months. Things may change. I don't know,
but right now I'm not as upset as Sparky ring Dove. Here.
I can understand if you have played this game in
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the past and hoped for second Dinner to come to
their senses about things that fans disagree with and it
doesn't happen. I understand your frustration. So Evan, I'm going
to give you the floor here. I don't know how
much you have to add to this or if you
have an opinion, but please speak freely.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I just went to snap Zone. Kidd Omega goes to
series five and ten days and seventeen hours. The podcast
audience couldn't see me shrug. Yeah, it was disappointing. I've
expected to be able to get kid Omega and Cobra,
or at least to have a chance to do it.
I held out till the last day when it was
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clear it wasn't going to happen. And then I got Cobra,
I got the Rocket.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Which that's the one I got to become one.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Of my favorites and accurately expresses how my friend Luke
feels when he sees someone start playing Guardians Cards and
Sanctum Showdown. It was a long time before I ever
bought a season pass. Usually I don't pay full price
for a season pass. I'm not saying I don't get
why people are upset and frustrated. Even I was like
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a fantastic car, you gotta pay for super premium. That
seems little ridiculous fantastic car. When next season rolls around,
it's a Series four card. Honestly, we'll talk about it
when we look at the upcoming season. The effect's nice,
it synergizes with others. But if you're going to put
a card behind a paywall, the Fantastic fours flying Bathtub,
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which is what the thing calls it, is a good
one to do it with. I get it. It does
seem a little weird compared to the way they've done it,
But I mean, I'm not gonna ever spend more than
a season pass on it, and if you do, that's cool,
that's your thing. It was a little disappointing, but I
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just can't get worked up about it, right, But just like, well, hmm,
well that's a bummer. I liked the high voltage overdrive.
My only complaint was that it seemed like there was
too much happening. I would still love for high voltage
to be an option in friendly battles, and maybe you
could choose some of the elements. It just felt like
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there was a little too much going on and there
wasn't a way to plan for it. I was just
throwing in high powered cards and not counting on detailed
strategy because you didn't know what you were going to get. Actually,
I think that was more for Sanctum. I had a
lot of cards to move people away from stuff, But
I forget what I even used for high voltage. It
seems like it was so long ago. I earned twenty three,
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nine hundred and seventy five volts, so I never even
sniffed Kiddomega. Another friend of mine told me there's no
way to get Kiddomega, and I'm like, oh, yeah, looks
like maybe, right, it's one card it's not that great
a card, it's a character. I like, if this bugs you,
if you think this is unfair, that's cool. That's your opinion.
And if enough people say that it'll cause problems for
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the game or make second dinner reassess us. I don't know.
I just I can't get worked up about it. I
was like, oh, that's kind of disappointing, and I moved on.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I always worked up about.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Lots of stuff. You don't put your shopping cart back
in the grocery store parking lot. I mean, look, there
are difficult issues that are emotionally raw for people on
each side. Putting your shopping cart backs not one of them.
Unless you are disabled or have an emergency, you have
no excuse for not putting your shopping cart back. And
not doing that says screw you to everybody else in
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the parking lot who comes in after with your stupid currency.
It's rude, it's selfish. I don't have any room for
nuance there. If you're disabled, if there's something going on
and you can't take it back, okay, And I try
to think, well, maybe that's about this, it's like, oh, okay,
I guess I'm not getting that card yet. Yeah, And
then I was thinking, man, maybe it's gonna beat like
Cassandra Nova, where you can't get it for a long time.
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But you know, Cassandra Nova was attainable for most people,
I guess, so she had trouble with it and they
even got teased by people on podcasts about it, and
that's not right. But you know, I was like, oh,
maybe you won't get kidd Omega for a while. And
I'm like, okay, well, I've been playing the game for
two and a half years with that kid o Meg.
I'll probably be all right.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
If there's a game breaking card put behind a paywall
and all the high spenders are able to get that
card and I'm losing to a card that has clearly
been put out of my reach because I don't spend
money on the game, then I've got a problem. That
point is clearly in favor of somebody who's spending money
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talking about Fantastic Car. I'm right there with you. When
we look at the ability of Fantastic Car, it's like, okay, well,
I'll be still using nay More. You know, my name,
my more a deck. It's not going to be anything
that I think is going to completely up end the game.
You must really want that fantastic car if that's the case,
and if you, I.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Mean maybe I would feel differently if I did spend
a lot of money on it and was like, oh,
you want me to spend even more get that would
be more frustrating. At the end of the day. I'm
not quite free to play, but I'm pretty close. I've
played other games where I don't spend anything, and sometimes
it's like, oh, I wish I could do that, and
it's like, well, you can pay the money. That's not
an option for some people. And I get that at
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the end of the day. We all like our entertainment
and our art to be for a higher purpose. And
a Marvel Snap exists to make money. Yeah, it doesn't
exist entertain us. And I'm not saying they need to
be jerks about it or greedy about it, but like,
especially for me, I don't have much skin in the game.
Maybe if I spend a bunch of money and then
they're like, Okay, spend even more, then I'd be angrier.
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But if it becomes a point where I need to
spend more money to enjoy it, then I'll find something else.
To do. Yeah, they don't owe me anything.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Right, right, I mean this is free to play. I
have a good time playing this guy. I think it's
one of the better free to play games out there.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I have a good time talking about it. I know
it is. If I was somebody who you know, hit
Infinite every season and you know, based my satisfaction with
it on my performance, I probably wouldn't play it very much. Right,
Just doesn't bother.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Me, all right? Moving on from that, you know, that
was the big discussion amongst all of the SNAT players
last season, the meta as far as the gameplay goes.
So we had two events. We had Sanctum Showdown, we
had Voltage Maximum Drive. I just for myself, just to
let you know, Yeah, you talked about how you went
back into it, and you were not very far from
when you started this season. I'm at the same point.
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I think a lot of that has to do with
how much time you were investing in these other events.
You weren't making your way up the ladder at that point.
But this season, I was all over the place with
my decks. When I came back a few days ago,
I was like, Okay, I'm just not going to invest
any more time and Sanctum Showdown, I went back to
my name or a deck. I was using that quite
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a bit. I was trying to get some bounties too,
trying to knock some bounties out. I was using a
lane filled deck quite a bit, but there was really
the only two decks I was using. Saw a lot
of destroy this season talked about you know, Dormamu probably
reignited a lot of the destroy to be happening. So
that's my thoughts as far as gameplay goes. Did you
have any thoughts to add to that?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That was pretty much it. I did try a non
guardian's deck for sank them for a little while, but
didn't have a whole lot of luck with that. It
was mainly a war machine putting cards where they might
not otherwise be able to go. Like I said, I
liked Overdrive. I just felt like there was a lot
happening and you couldn't strategize much with it. Then again,
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my strategizing is sometimes questionable, so maybe that was for
the best. I saw a lot of Merlin, seemed like
the new cards popped up Nightmare and not as much,
but they were interesting. They got people's attention. No strategies
really jumped out at me. Maybe that's because I was
so much time in the other modes having fun. I
haven't really gotten to do a lot with Morgan le Fay.
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I still want to get Nightmare and try out a
few things. It was an odd season, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
That being said, that is our discussion on the meta
and unlocks. Thanks a lot for joining us. To make
sure to tune in tomorrow for the next installment of
snaps material
Now we want to get into our discussion on the
meta and our unlocks. I'll let you go first on
the unlocks here, Evan, while I pull up my marble snap.
Go ahead and go through your unlocks, if you would please.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay, Well, I started off with an artist whose name
I can't pronounce, but I have read some of their
work in comics or we're seeing it as Simone beat
Bianchi task Master, kind of up close of the skull
mask he has. Then the right after that is when
I got Nicholas Scratch got a Michael Ivan Grandmaster, which
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is definitely a thing. I did spin Gold to get
the pandart Studio Circe because it actually looks like.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Circe Oh from the comic Like a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Of the variants are ones that are more like her
contemporary design, which is based on Jim a Chan that
played her in the movie. So it doesn't look like
the version of Sirce I know, but it's still is
a recognizable character. And whoever drew the main art on
the serse card is a much better artist than I am.
But it doesn't look like Sirce. It looks like mantas Oh.
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So this one loo looked more like the classic Circe,
and I used her a few times. Then I got
the Venomized Nova, which I remember as one of the
earliest variants I ever saw, but I just now got it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Then I pulled the trigger on Merlin, followed that up
with a dan Hip Drax, and then I got enough tokens.
And there's so many cards I want, and there's asthme cuckoo.
I don't think it's bad, but had it in my head.
I'll be happy with this one. This one, this one
really just the only one I don't want to You're
not even the one I thought you were. Then I
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did have enough tokens that I took a shot at
season four and got Mercury. We talked about her more
last time. Is an even better running mate for your
boy cannon Ball than Professor X these days, right, But
I played a lot with her in High voltage, just
put her in, moved her if I needed to, and
then had cannon Ball take out whoever whoever I wanted
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him to. Got the Winking Studios Doctor Strange variant that
does the version you see when you open the game.
Got a very cool Flaviano Juggernaut variant. Have you seen this?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I don't know if I have.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
In this weird light and Wolverine's coming at him, Okay,
I'm sending it to you. Juggernauts got some good variants,
so at one time we need to do a top
five of the cards with the best variants. I'd like that,
just just the the cards that you know, top to
bottom have the have the best variance. But that Juggernaut
one is awesome. I got an Ink split a squirrel
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Girl baby variant. Got hell and g America Chavez, which
is kind of like an anime version of America. I
can't remember if I paid for this one. I think
I just got it randomly. But I got the Werewolf
by Night disco variant. I did not think anything could
usurp my silver Age Werewolf by Night variant, but it's
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classic Werewolf by Night and he's howling at a disco ball.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I got the Marco Fila mystique where she's jumping at
the camera with guns out and morphing into somebody else.
I don't know if it's supposed to be more McTaggart
or just some random lady, but I did spin gold
to get the what If variant of Vision, which is
the cover from a comic I have nice Umber nineteen
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what If Vision Conquered the World.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
We now have two what If covers out there that
I know of, because we've got the high evolutionary one
and then that one. So that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Pixel Angela Winking Studios, Baron Mordo again from the season
Pass Ryan Gonzalez Shang Chi, where shuan Chi looks pretty
normal and then there's little chiv versions of his brothers
and sisters climbing on him. Weapon ex Warpath, which is
Warpath in a black and white costume. Went for another
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Series five pack. I forget who I was hoping for there,
but I got Prodigy, which I did want Prodigy, but
he was lower on my list.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Like Prodigy. I didn't like Prodigy.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, I've used him in a couple of things, and
he probably ought to go in Cap Cap Doom with
the Ongoings, I wasn't too excited, not because the art
was bad, but just because the character doesn't do much
for me. I wasn't too excited about the grand Master
variant earlier, but that's before I got the dan Hip
grand Master, which is the Jeff Goldbloom Incarnation.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Nice, very nice.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So I didn't think I I would have much use
for Grandmaster, but the cards find a way.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I'm right, good, good. That's also a nice reference.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
There you go, thank you. I got a Paul Ronad Murder,
so another good looking murder card that I probably won't use,
but she's a good one to play with Nightmare.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I went back to the series five well and got Zorn,
who I really wanted. I had some good ideas with him.
I don't think any of those decks are still together.
I did use him a lot in High Voltage, Okay, yeah,
I think it was your idea that we had talked
about Zorn and Jean Gray, and I used that a
lot in High Voltage, but not anywhere else really. I
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got a dan Hip Nihilist, which I spent gold on
to add to an album, and that got me to
the ten variants you can buy in the shop. And
I got a steampunk green Goblinka which I immediately made
my custom card with bubbles. Let's see. Then I got
and I think this was an album prize maybe or no,
(06:06):
I don't know. I got a dan Hip Captain Marvel
Pixel Rock Slide got your Boy Cobra, No Pixel Devil Dinosaur.
Devil Dinosaur would be in contention for that top five.
A Variance List got Morgan le Fe, the Winking Studios,
Merlin Gold Split Pixie got a Julio RINCIONI has Matt
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where she looks like she's stepping on you. Astral Projection
got a food Fight she Hulk and I'm like, oh good,
this will go toward the album. But wasn't there a
food Fight album?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I thought there was?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It ain't there. This is the hip one I bought
with Gold. I got the dan Hip Cloak, which let
me complete an album and unlocked the dan Hip Werewolf
by Night. Then I got the Blueprint Hulkbuster variant.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Love those love the Blueprints.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Then I got Clea and wrapped it up with the
one I know you saw on Facebook earlier, disco Forge,
which is so even if it wasn't disco or anything else,
it's just a freaking awesome image.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh yeah, So I found where I left off. I
think I had this disco I talked about this disco
venom in there, so I guess my next new card
would have been sore On. I got the sour On variant.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Album, wasn't it disco Venom disco Venom?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
That's right, Pantheon sare on. Uh. Then I got Mercury.
I took a chance. I was worried I wasn't going
to get her, ended up with her, and I was
so excited. So I got Mercury.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You played her with cannonball.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yet let's see, I ink split this Luke cage, which
I kind of like. As soon as I got her,
I put together a cannonball deck. I assume this is
a new one here. This is a creative house pocket
Jeff the baby land Shark. Then we got the ancient one.
Talked about that all ready. Then I've got this version
(08:02):
of Silk here, venomized silk.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
A.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Banana split cone wing. I think I finished out a
spider Man album. I got a Peach Momoco spider Man variant,
and then this was the Yesuke Marata variant of Spider Man.
Both of them are really cool. Yeah, we have a
Scotty Young Debris.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Nice. She looks like a Peanuts character in that for
some reason, she does Scotty. I don't say that in
a negative way.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Then it looks like we've got a pixel swarm. Then
mall in Hucklee Ebity mall, Yes, yeah, I like that one.
We got Nightmare. We have this version of Beast, the
gray version.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I think in the comics that was right after he
first got all Harry. He was gray for a while.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
He was grey, okay. And then we have oh yes,
got a young baby variant black Panther.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It also looks like a Peanuts character that's got a
young to do a Marvel Peanuts crossover, do it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Ink split a pixel Wolverine. We then have the White
Vision here Dale keone art you know like this is.
I think this one's been around for a while. I've
seen him played quite a few times. I am yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That one really hits you in the pit of your stomach,
doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
That's right image comics Baby this right here, Max Greky
right gotta be Yep, it's a Max Grecy doo. Now
I know what his art looks like, solely because of
snap cards. We have Dan Hip Living Tribunal Nice. Then
I ended up with a lixer out of a pack.
I bought a pack, ended up with a mixer. I
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haven't put him in a deck at all. I finished
the season and got into you know once you hit
the card back. I think after that, it's just like
every thing. This is one of the ones that was
unlocked in those season cases. But anyway, it's a fury
of Groot, variant of Groot.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
But you can just hear him saying, I am Groot,
but like angry.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, oh yeah, he's mad. He is mad about it.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Hey, you do what to say about his bark is
worse than his bite?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh look out, bark is worse than his byte collector
level nineteen thousand and seventy three. Bring yours up? Respond
And then as far as what do I want to
hit here, I need to go to the shop. I
have about eight thousand and tokens sitting there, eighty seven
hundred and seventy five. I had to look today to
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see what exactly is coming up next season, because I
don't know I might have wanted to spend some more.
After our discussion about Klea, I'm almost like, oh wow,
now I'm kind of liking that card seven and seventy
five sitting there.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
One I can get about one season five pack a week.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Get just enough to not force myself to.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Save Okay, all right, let me go ahead, and get
out of here. Well, let's go ahead and we'll talk
about the meta. Look, I know we always talk about
how negative Reddit can be. It's something that happens. Uh,
it's just I think.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
They find were complaining about Reddit.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I so yeah. This past season, with the addition
of high voltage Overdrive and the fact that kid Omega
was not attainable like previous high voltage cards were. It's
not easily attainable. It's probably the best way to put it,
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it drummed up quite an uproar. People were really getting
up set because what ended up happening is they were like, Okay, yeah,
here's kid Omega. You guys can get it. It's only
fifty thousand volts. And then when you start doing the math,
you realize that you're never going to get to fifty
thousand volts. You may get their close and then you
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could buy some vaults to maybe make up the difference,
and then you can get yourself kidd Omega. A lot
of people did not like that at all. So I
went to the reddits today as we were getting ready
to discuss tonight, and I was just like, okay, show
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me the top Marvel snap Stories, Top Marvel snap Reddit
posts in the past month, So I figured that's going
to be a nice snapshot of the season, right, sob.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Sir.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And the first and the highest, the most upvoted post
was by Sparky ring Doove, top one percent poster in
Marvel Snap Reddit Marvel Snap r slash Marvel Snap post
goes like this, stop all purchases, simple as that the
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game is done now. When he said that, I was like,
what do you mean the game is done? Well, you
know that's what went through my head. Did something occur
here because I knew all about the fury and people
be an outraged boycott Marvel Snap whatever. But this guy
makes it sound like the next sentence, anything you purchase
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at this point is very risky, as it seems this
game might not exist much longer. Kid Nomega, Cobra, Mister,
Fantastic first Steps, fantastic car, leave it all behind. Do
not purchase these you may literally be throwing money away.
And reminder, they all become a available just a month
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later if the game servers are still up at that time.
So yeah, I'm sitting here thinking like, okay, wow, what
is going on because I didn't hear anything about them
shutting down. Then we got an update here. Appreciate the support,
but we must raise the presence of every negative post
on this page. Do the same and discord make it
known they are killing the game. Update two seriously love
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to support. This is gotten. I plan on taking a
break from Reddit this weekend. However, on Monday, I plan
on consolidating all the feedback from this post into one
to relay a second dinner. How destructive their choice is.
If there are any bigger voices out there, let's help
get this as big as possible. I want a post
like this to overwhelm them if they refuse to hear
us on their controlled discord channel. This was fifteen days ago.
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I did scan down a little bit further, and I'll
just kind of elaborate here because I was definitely thinking, oh,
do they know something I didn't see about them shutting down? Obviously,
what they're doing is they are assuming that the way
that this game is going to continue is going to
result in people abandoning the game, and therefore nobody will
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be left to play, and at some point it's going
to shut down. Somebody finally asked the question grand poppol
perp here, why would it seem to not exist any longer.
What news did I missed? They basically said, the new
shop for High Voltage is intentional and some cards will
be discountable via events. I have played some really scummy
card games on mobile, but I have never seen a
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game have a big event where the earnable card was
just getting a discount. So okay, all right, well yeah
this one ho. We're back to square one where we
were talking about kid Omega being a card that you
could not get for free by grinding out. You had
to pay. It was a discount. So my understanding is
when this big thing exploded, people were taking to Reddit.
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Obviously they were also taking to the discord and there
was a reply and I don't know if you saw
it or not, but second Dender did write something out
and said, hey, yeah, we hear what you're saying. Our
intention was never to give you this card. Our intention
was to offer this at a discount for you. If
you play Maximum Overdrive High Voltage, you are going to
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get it. Our intention was to allow you the opportunity
to get close enough to get it at a discount.
So that really rubbed people the wrong way. You mentioned
earlier that you were hoping they were going to do
a big drop. There was a very popular YouTuber who
expressed his frustration in a forty minute video about how
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much he loved this game. He loved it at the beginning,
he spent a lot of money on it. Obviously he's
grown a fan base because of it. But because of
the choices they made, specifically the choice that they did
not go back and say, Okay, we're going we understand,
he said, in the past when they would have these issues,
and I think there was something that happened in the
last High Voltage. Maybe it was Sanctum Showdown, where these
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cards felt really out of like out of reach, and
then they were like, okay, let's do something to kind
of alleviate that. In the past, what would happen is
when the fans were upset second dinner, It's like, Okay,
we understand what you're saying here, let's go ahead, let's
find a middle ground here, and they were just doubled
down and they didn't care. So I'm done talking about it. Really,
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I mean I I let me just put it this way.
Did it influence me as far as my playing goes
this season? I definitely felt the where on Sanctum Showdown,
High Voltage Overdrive or whatever it was. When High Voltage
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first dropped some the praises of it because I loved
how quick it was. You get any card you wanted
out there practically, and this go round it was like, Okay,
I looked at the card and was like, wow, I'm
never gonna get there, so I'm just gonna have fun
playing for these vaults and then I'm just gonna grab
credits or spend my vaults on a border or something
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like that. So I think High Voltage, as far as
hig Voltage goes, I played that for a good bit.
Sanctum Showdown rolls around, and I really I was not
as interested in Sanctum Showdown as I was now, as
far as you and I both, we spend a pittance
on this game. When we do, I'm not buying huge bundles,
We're not doing any of that stuff. I don't know
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if this is egregious enough for me personally to go, Okay, guys,
this is a game breaker. It's not really for me
because I've seen how much their bundles cost. I know
that they're shooting for the whale that's got all the
money to spend one hundred bucks on a card and
some gold and whatever and some credits. That's something I'm
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never going to do. And I don't see the game failing.
I certainly don't see people leaving the game in droves.
I see people getting upset, but it's still free to
as far as it is right now, talk to me
in about six months. Things may change. I don't know,
but right now I'm not as upset as Sparky ring Dove. Here.
I can understand if you have played this game in
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the past and hoped for second Dinner to come to
their senses about things that fans disagree with and it
doesn't happen. I understand your frustration. So Evan, I'm going
to give you the floor here. I don't know how
much you have to add to this or if you
have an opinion, but please speak freely.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I just went to snap Zone. Kidd Omega goes to
series five and ten days and seventeen hours. The podcast
audience couldn't see me shrug. Yeah, it was disappointing. I've
expected to be able to get kid Omega and Cobra,
or at least to have a chance to do it.
I held out till the last day when it was
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clear it wasn't going to happen. And then I got Cobra,
I got the Rocket.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Which that's the one I got to become one.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Of my favorites and accurately expresses how my friend Luke
feels when he sees someone start playing Guardians Cards and
Sanctum Showdown. It was a long time before I ever
bought a season pass. Usually I don't pay full price
for a season pass. I'm not saying I don't get
why people are upset and frustrated. Even I was like
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a fantastic car, you gotta pay for super premium. That
seems little ridiculous fantastic car. When next season rolls around,
it's a Series four card. Honestly, we'll talk about it
when we look at the upcoming season. The effect's nice,
it synergizes with others. But if you're going to put
a card behind a paywall, the Fantastic fours flying Bathtub,
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which is what the thing calls it, is a good
one to do it with. I get it. It does
seem a little weird compared to the way they've done it,
But I mean, I'm not gonna ever spend more than
a season pass on it, and if you do, that's cool,
that's your thing. It was a little disappointing, but I
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just can't get worked up about it, right, But just like, well, hmm,
well that's a bummer. I liked the high voltage overdrive.
My only complaint was that it seemed like there was
too much happening. I would still love for high voltage
to be an option in friendly battles, and maybe you
could choose some of the elements. It just felt like
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there was a little too much going on and there
wasn't a way to plan for it. I was just
throwing in high powered cards and not counting on detailed
strategy because you didn't know what you were going to get. Actually,
I think that was more for Sanctum. I had a
lot of cards to move people away from stuff, But
I forget what I even used for high voltage. It
seems like it was so long ago. I earned twenty three,
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nine hundred and seventy five volts, so I never even
sniffed Kiddomega. Another friend of mine told me there's no
way to get Kiddomega, and I'm like, oh, yeah, looks
like maybe, right, it's one card it's not that great
a card, it's a character. I like, if this bugs you,
if you think this is unfair, that's cool. That's your opinion.
And if enough people say that it'll cause problems for
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the game or make second dinner reassess us. I don't know.
I just I can't get worked up about it. I
was like, oh, that's kind of disappointing, and I moved on.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I always worked up about.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Lots of stuff. You don't put your shopping cart back
in the grocery store parking lot. I mean, look, there
are difficult issues that are emotionally raw for people on
each side. Putting your shopping cart backs not one of them.
Unless you are disabled or have an emergency, you have
no excuse for not putting your shopping cart back. And
not doing that says screw you to everybody else in
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the parking lot who comes in after with your stupid currency.
It's rude, it's selfish. I don't have any room for
nuance there. If you're disabled, if there's something going on
and you can't take it back, okay, And I try
to think, well, maybe that's about this, it's like, oh, okay,
I guess I'm not getting that card yet. Yeah, And
then I was thinking, man, maybe it's gonna beat like
Cassandra Nova, where you can't get it for a long time.
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But you know, Cassandra Nova was attainable for most people,
I guess, so she had trouble with it and they
even got teased by people on podcasts about it, and
that's not right. But you know, I was like, oh,
maybe you won't get kidd Omega for a while. And
I'm like, okay, well, I've been playing the game for
two and a half years with that kid o Meg.
I'll probably be all right.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
If there's a game breaking card put behind a paywall
and all the high spenders are able to get that
card and I'm losing to a card that has clearly
been put out of my reach because I don't spend
money on the game, then I've got a problem. That
point is clearly in favor of somebody who's spending money
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talking about Fantastic Car. I'm right there with you. When
we look at the ability of Fantastic Car, it's like, okay, well,
I'll be still using nay More. You know, my name,
my more a deck. It's not going to be anything
that I think is going to completely up end the game.
You must really want that fantastic car if that's the case,
and if you, I.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Mean maybe I would feel differently if I did spend
a lot of money on it and was like, oh,
you want me to spend even more get that would
be more frustrating. At the end of the day. I'm
not quite free to play, but I'm pretty close. I've
played other games where I don't spend anything, and sometimes
it's like, oh, I wish I could do that, and
it's like, well, you can pay the money. That's not
an option for some people. And I get that at
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the end of the day. We all like our entertainment
and our art to be for a higher purpose. And
a Marvel Snap exists to make money. Yeah, it doesn't
exist entertain us. And I'm not saying they need to
be jerks about it or greedy about it, but like,
especially for me, I don't have much skin in the game.
Maybe if I spend a bunch of money and then
they're like, Okay, spend even more, then I'd be angrier.
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But if it becomes a point where I need to
spend more money to enjoy it, then I'll find something else.
To do. Yeah, they don't owe me anything.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Right, right, I mean this is free to play. I
have a good time playing this guy. I think it's
one of the better free to play games out there.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I have a good time talking about it. I know
it is. If I was somebody who you know, hit
Infinite every season and you know, based my satisfaction with
it on my performance, I probably wouldn't play it very much. Right,
Just doesn't bother.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Me, all right? Moving on from that, you know, that
was the big discussion amongst all of the SNAT players
last season, the meta as far as the gameplay goes.
So we had two events. We had Sanctum Showdown, we
had Voltage Maximum Drive. I just for myself, just to
let you know, Yeah, you talked about how you went
back into it, and you were not very far from
when you started this season. I'm at the same point.
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I think a lot of that has to do with
how much time you were investing in these other events.
You weren't making your way up the ladder at that point.
But this season, I was all over the place with
my decks. When I came back a few days ago,
I was like, Okay, I'm just not going to invest
any more time and Sanctum Showdown, I went back to
my name or a deck. I was using that quite
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a bit. I was trying to get some bounties too,
trying to knock some bounties out. I was using a
lane filled deck quite a bit, but there was really
the only two decks I was using. Saw a lot
of destroy this season talked about you know, Dormamu probably
reignited a lot of the destroy to be happening. So
that's my thoughts as far as gameplay goes. Did you
have any thoughts to add to that?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That was pretty much it. I did try a non
guardian's deck for sank them for a little while, but
didn't have a whole lot of luck with that. It
was mainly a war machine putting cards where they might
not otherwise be able to go. Like I said, I
liked Overdrive. I just felt like there was a lot
happening and you couldn't strategize much with it. Then again,
(26:44):
my strategizing is sometimes questionable, so maybe that was for
the best. I saw a lot of Merlin, seemed like
the new cards popped up Nightmare and not as much,
but they were interesting. They got people's attention. No strategies
really jumped out at me. Maybe that's because I was
so much time in the other modes having fun. I
haven't really gotten to do a lot with Morgan le Fay.
(27:05):
I still want to get Nightmare and try out a
few things. It was an odd season, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
That being said, that is our discussion on the meta
and unlocks. Thanks a lot for joining us. To make
sure to tune in tomorrow for the next installment of
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