July 9, 2025 • 41 mins
In this energetic and hilariously insightful episode of SNAP Material, Jesse Starcher and Evan Bevins go full throttle into Marvel Snap territory with their “Top Five Cards That Should Get a Luchador Variant.” With only 11 luchador-themed variants currently in the game, the hosts take on the challenge of assembling a fantasy deck and filling the missing slots with their own ideal picks—based on synergy, flavor, and of course, wrestling theatrics.
And just when you think they’re done, Evan breaks out a fantasy Marvel Snap season pass pitch based on the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation! Come listen to who steps into the ring in this hypothetical expansion that’s equal parts ridiculous and brilliant. Whether you're a Snap fanatic, a comic book lover, or an old-school wrestling junkie, this episode is guaranteed to dropkick you right in the nostalgia. ¡Es clobberin’ time!
And just when you think they’re done, Evan breaks out a fantasy Marvel Snap season pass pitch based on the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation! Come listen to who steps into the ring in this hypothetical expansion that’s equal parts ridiculous and brilliant. Whether you're a Snap fanatic, a comic book lover, or an old-school wrestling junkie, this episode is guaranteed to dropkick you right in the nostalgia. ¡Es clobberin’ time!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome, It's time for the
Snap Material top five. This was one that we've batted
around for a short amount of time and I was like, no,
we definitely got to do it. Evan Bevans. Let the
people know the idea behind today's top five.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, we have expressed multiple times our admiration and appreciation
of the Luchador variants, and I unlocked the Luchador. I
think it was the Red Guardian Lucador, and I said,
you know, now I'm one step closer to a full
Luca Door deck. But if you are going to try
to attempt a full Luchador deck and Snap, you won't
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be playing with a full deck because there are only
eleven official Luchador variants, right. I think you or some
other people have suggested that the Venom title belt variant
could fill a spot on there, and then there's the
null variant where he has taken the belt from Venom. Yes,
so how about we do the top five cards that
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should get a Luchador variant instead of just saying, hey,
these guys will look cool as Lucidors or gals, which
is a valid bit of criteria and should be considered
in this Let's look at the eleven cards that have
Luchidor variants and see who would work well to make
this a playable deck. Since we're talking about all the
synergy in the upcoming Fantastic four season, I will say
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there is not much synergy among the Lutrador.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah. I was going to say this is a tough one,
and I went I went into it, like you're talking about.
I looked at these cards. I was like, what would
kind of work with these? Is really tough? I mean,
did you run down these cards that we do.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Have out Here are the Luchetor variants. I'll go in
order from least to greatest in terms of cost and power.
We start with Umbaku crouching about to leap from the turnbuckle.
Then we have Titania, who has been a professional wrestler.
One cost two power, Umbaku one cost five power. Titania.
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Umbaku's ability is if you haven't drawn him, he jumps
onto an open spot on the space with the least power,
a source of endless snap joy. Yes, Titania switches sides
whenever a card is played. Then we have Red Guardian,
who you might know from me, recommending to Jesse every
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time he says he has trouble dealing with Carl I
have you tried Red Guardian? Have you sprayed wind decks
on it? Strong guy who gives what is a plus
six if you have one or zero cards in your hand? Yep, yep, yep.
And then Sabertooth, who, if he's destroyed, comes back as
a zero is a three cost five power card comes
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back as a zero cost five power card back in
your hand. The war Path gets a plus four if
one of your locations is empty. Drax who is it
also a plus four that he gets on reveal if
your opponent played a card at that location. The Century
fore costs nine power, who creates the fore cost negative
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nine power void in the far right lane, and he
can't be played in the far right lane. Then we
have White Tiger on reveal creates a Tiger Spirit card
with eight power, and task Master six costs zero power,
copies the power of the last card you played. If
you are using this deck, you probably want to play
them after Blob six costs zero power, who absorbs cards
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up to a certain point. Probably not many cards left
in the deck at this point, and you see the problem.
Not a lot of these cards work well together, so
we need more Lutra door variants. In general, we need
at least one more to make a deck. We're offering
these help full suggestions to second Dinner about who needs
a Lutrador variant and how they could work with these
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other cards.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
All right, so we're just looking for the one that
would complete this. Is that how you went into this thinking.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I looked at cards that work with the Lutrador theme
because a lot of these guys are bruisers. How they
would work thematically or in tandem with these cards? Put
all five of them in. Maybe they could work together
with the cards on your list. And we don't have
a lot of hard and fast rules. It's mostly subjective.
Except for the list we did about the cards you
don't want to see coming out of the X Mansion,
my top five could barely have been the top ten
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as an addition to your list. But most of the
time it's pretty subjective. So these are just the cards
you think need variants, whether that's thematically, how it appears,
or how it would work with these other cards. Okay,
there's no wrong answers.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I'm rethinking my number one right now. Answer Cerebro needs
to be a mask. That that's really all it needs
to be. Make it a mask variant somehow to where
it goes over and becomes a mask. When I looked
at this, I was looking at these cards, going, Okay,
but what would kind of work? I do have a
couple one here that do work well. But I also
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was looking at them and going will these cards work
with the other cards that I'm suggesting? So what may
end up may end up happening here is you may
see that some of these cards that I'm suggesting well
may not be the twelfth card in this deck. But
we could substitute maybe two or three off my list
and put them in here along with the rest of
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these Lucha doors, a select few of these Lucha doors,
and then we have a deck.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But I have a huge list of cards that I
thought about but didn't make it. I do have one
on the outside looking in that I would like to
give special mention to. Okay, first thing I did is
I made a deck with the eleven Lutra door cards.
Even though I don't have all the variants. I made
a deck with those cards, and I'm like, okay, Auto Phil,
what card do you say would complete this deck, and
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I figured, at worst that one gets number five on
my life, but it did not because when I hit Autophil,
auto Phil gave me the Hood. Maybe the logic is,
you got a lot of cards that don't work together,
so you need a low cost, high power card to
add to this mix, and the Hood gives you that
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with the Demon, maybe that's what it was thinking. I
could not in good conscience put the Hood on there
when there were other cards that I thought had a
pretty good chance of making my top five that ultimately didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, so you want to leave those till the end
or you want to go through Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Otherwise, I mean, we'd probably have a pretty good idea
of and I bet if we both have sizeable as
they say on the Dan Levatard show, olies outside looking in,
we're probably going to name each other's cards on there anyway.
So yeah, I think, I mean, if we come up
with one, you say, hey, I considered that one or whatever,
but yeah, I think we save that, just get right
to our top five. Now, was the Hood on your list?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
The Hood was not on my list, not because.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The Hood is the worst and I haven't even seen
iron Her yet.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm taking out my ones on here that I do
already have. Here we go, and then I think that's it. Okay,
well then.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Let me just had to wrestle with m.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Down it as as a matter of fact, it was, well,
let me start out with number.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Five bar all right, we're going to start.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Naming moves now. I want to go ahead and start
with silk. Honestly, I'm looking at these cars now. There's
no rhyme or reason to even have her in there
other than the fact that she's going to bounce around
now with what's upcoming on my list. Let me put
it this way. I am a bit of a wrestling fan.
I know you get wrestling references, so at some point
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you were watching wrestling, probably in the eighties as well,
and even the nineties during the Attitude era.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I don't know, the whole Cogan cartoon was my gateway, Okay,
all right, So I interviewed Rowdy Roddy Piper once.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Was it for the Zombies movie that they were.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Filming Zombies per Wrestlers versus Zombies.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Have not watched that yet. Roddy Piper are.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Our mutual friend. Nathan Arnold was an extra in it.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Was he really.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I was gonna say they had a lot of.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Gotten mistaken for a wrestler.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
At one point there were a lot of wrestlers from
the round here that were part of it. Yeah, one
of these days I want to sit back and watch
that because I know, is it really Yeah? I think
I know half the people in it, which is crazy anyway.
So what's going through my head is like, okay, luchadors.
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I'm thinking, okay, well I need a luchador deck. What
fits a luchador normally when you saw them, especially in WCW.
Let's say in mid to late nineties, the luchitor showed up.
There was a guy by the name of Psychosis Ray
Mysterio Ray Phoenix is one that's a luchador right now, Penta.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
These guys took to the skies, moved, and those types
of wrestlers were known for that acrobatic style that kind
of influenced a lot of my list.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Here. These cards are a mishmash. Well, let's stick with
the mishmash theme. Then all right, fine, I'll throw silk
in there. She can jump around all over the place,
and I want to see her, you know, whatever crazy
costume that she would come up with. There you go,
we got some kind of spider costume for her in
the ring. There you go, my number five for this
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crazy mish mash of a Luchador deck silk. There you go,
what's your number five? Evan Bevanson?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
All right, my number five would not really add anything
to the deck. But probably the most famous professional wrestler
in mar comics, you know, doesn't get a lot of
love on this show, even though we love the character,
but Marvel Snap has done him wrong. The least they
could do is give the thing a lucid or variant.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, yeah, the thing.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I haven't read the original stories, but I know he
was part of the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
He took on some notable characters there, and he's a
big bruiser like a lot of the guys that already
have the Luchador variants. They could even use his helmet
mask from the Nies. In the Overpower card game, he
had a card that used that and it was called
Bucket o Shame.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Because the way he looked.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah maybe with you know he had. I was looking
at some of those covers today and he had this
black kind of singlet thing on so you know, maybe
something like that, give Ben Grim a luchador variant.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, I'm gonna pull This episode hasn't aired yet, but
we did a recent top five. It was me, Darry Dean,
and Matt Matthew Price. We did a top five series
two nineteen ninety one Marvel Cards.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So I'm gonna pull a dairy in this because I
had Thing as my number one. No c Devil's No,
I had Thing as my number one.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
No, no man.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, here's the thing I I is is the thing.
I'm going to take Thing off my list and I'm
going to replace him because I have we have a
rundown of all these outside looking ins. I have another
one I'm want to put on my list. Really, I
didn't have much of a justification of putting Thing number
one other than what you just said for him being
at number five, which mays he just kind of sits here.
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But the reason, you know, him being in an actual
wrestling league in the Marvel comics made sense. I went
so far as to go to chat GPT and say, Okay,
I need you to do me a favor and justify
him as being Alucha door. Help me flesh this out.
El Colosso de Lancey Street. He would definitely be in
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the super heavyweight El Colosso division. He would be a face,
of course, don't push him too far. His entrance theme. Okay,
so it comes up with an entrance theme, and I
want to read this to you. The name of the
entrance theme is called the Clubber Time ninety five, a
pounding fusion of old school bronx hip hop at Mariachi Base.
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As the beat drops, orange pyro explodes from the corners,
while a massive stone wall rises behind him and shatters
open as he steps through it, arms raised. His signature
moves are the Yancey Slam, a two handed overhead power
bomb that echoes through the arena, the Brooklyn Avalanche corner
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running body press that crushes crush his heels like paper,
the Sidewalk Smash, a spinning sidewalk slam followed by a
ground punch that rattles the ring, and his final signature move,
the Cobblestone clutch. The Cobblestone clutch a surprise submission hole
rarely used, but when he locks it in, you feel it.
Can you guess what his finisher is called?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It has to be clober in Time, right.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Clover and time. Ben bounces off the ropes, raises one
massive rocky fist to the sky, and levels his opponent
with a running, spinning punch. The ring shakes, the lights flicker,
and the crowd counts the pin before.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
The ref can.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So there you go. That is, and they even have
some of his like okay the crowd chant which, by
the way, in Spanish, clobe beerri are clobe bear? Just clobber. Yes,
he will yell out to the crowd it's clover and time, baby.
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There you go, there it is.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
That's so yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I really I'm glad you put him on the list.
I knew I was going to for sure, and I
had a feeling that we were going to overlap with him.
He deserves to be on here just because of his
history with the comics themselves. So there you go. I
appreciate you putting him on at number five. I think
he would be the mishmash here of what we got.
(14:20):
It's like he'd fit in just fine. He beat the
big face of this groups, all right. Going around to
your number.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Four, number four. One thing that the eleven Lutrador's lack
is a two cost card. I looked at a lot
of two cost cards and also tried to think who
could pull off the look. He could pull off the look.
I'm not sure he would pull off the attitude. I
don't think he would like being labeled a lutrador because
he's a you know, a bit of a USA first
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kind of guy.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Oh, okay, but I got us Agent Ooh interesting, all right,
US Agent, I mean has one of the great costumes
in comics, and you know he made I'd be a
big guy, but he's a bit of a bruiser, stubborn.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I could see him fitting in, and there's a vacancy
in that deck for two cost cards.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I would agree, definitely.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Now the downside is you've got a lot of four
or five and six cost cards and they wouldn't want
to be hanging around him. But you know, he could
take on some bigger opponents and give you an element
you're lacking in this deck.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's true. I mean, you got to think about what
you're going to be facing on the other side, and
he makes a difference. He can make a difference, for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Some people may be okay with waiting until turn three
to start playing, but I like to get some out
there earlier and US agent makes you think about putting
a card down in that lane? All right?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, So going to my number four. So I talked
about luchdors and their acrobatics. If I was to tell you,
let's see if Evan Bevins can read my mind. If
I was to say, okay, yeah, I want an acrobat
that could shoot people, oh cable. If I asked you
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to provide me with one superhero that's going to narrow
it down, that possesses acrobatic tendencies but is also a powerhouse,
where would you go? Where would your mind take you?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
It would either take me to Westchester or Queen's. So
I'm gonna say Spider Man.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Okay, all right, it is the Beast at the Beast.
So now we're not going to go furry version here,
all right, this card is going to be his human
ape like form. I guess the guy that could hang
from the ceiling biased toes that version of Beast. You
throw a mask on him and he would look perfect
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as a lucha door. Now to get into the mechanics,
one of the cards on here is Sentury. Throws that
void on one lane and you Beast will send him
right back to your hand, you don't have to worry
about the void anymore. He helps out there, and I
don't think he really fits in with too much else,
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I mean, other than if you want to get another
red Guardian out there for one less power the next turn,
then great, you can smack somebody else with Red Guardian.
He can drop an elbow from the top rope or something.
But I like beasts for my number four, and now
I guess we'll get into my number three, so my
number three again, I'm going with these lutrator ideas. In
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my mind. One of the few things that I could
remember from back in the day, there were a couple
heels by the name of the Vianos. The fiano's had
a mask and you could not see anything as far
as their face goes other than their eyes. They had
a space for their nose in their mouth. A lot
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of times one of the viano's would be in trouble.
He'd be getting pounded on. The good guy would be
pounding on them, and then the ref would turn their
back to go talk to somebody than the core. Well,
the other viano would grab that viano, pull them out,
and then he would jump in place and nobody would
know the difference. And so now you got a fresh
viano in there, and he's able to get up and
come back, so he's not as beat up as the
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other viano was. My number three, throw a mask on him.
It's multiple man. Oh okay, multiple man comes in. Now
we got to figure out a way to move him,
which is not happening with these other cards. That's the
only problem. So I had to That's probably my only
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biggest concession here is that I don't know if there's
a way I.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Can get him moved multiplayer IEA.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's perfect. So he's in there, and if you can
get him, if you can figure out a way to
get him moved over better hope for the by Frost
or something like that. You know, now you have a
fresh multiple man in the vein of the viano's fiano
four and fiano five. There you go. So that's that's
my number three. Not the greatest, but hey, there you go.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
What do you like it? Okay? Well I did a
little adjusting to my list already. This one was a
little higher, but I really I was getting his mechanics
mixed up with somebody else. The only problem with this
he compliments a card there's a lutrador card in here
that has a very specific effect. If you're not at
least trying to get that effect, there's no reason to
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have this card in your deck whatsoever. The problem is
he does work well with this effect. Making him a
lutador would be really difficult because the mask would be enormous.
Oh boy, I like strong Guy. I like Strong Guy
as a luchador. But you can't have strong Guy in
your deck unless you got a way to clean out
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your hand. And nobody does that better than my best
friend of me, Modoc Modoc. Imagine Modoc as a lutador.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Does he have shoulders?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It's a parachute. His mask is a parachute. And originally
I was like, oh yeah, and then he can destroy Sabertooth.
But that's destroyed, not discard. So I had to knock
him down a peg because he was less used full.
But he would compliment strong Guy and he would be
a pretty funny look in luchador.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh my goodness, So he.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Would be uh modall mobile organized organism, designed only for
Luca Libre.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Ah man, that's nice. I likedal Modell.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Designed only for wrestling.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Okay, all right, well then that takes you to your number.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Two, Yes, who was originally my number three. Okay, but
now we're talking about ways to make this deck useful.
That this character might not seem like an ideal fit
for Lucadors. And obviously you know more about Lutradors and
wrestling than I do. But I get the feeling that
a lot of Lucadors are showmen.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right, Oh yeah, they're they're there. There's something else.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
They're they're they're performers. They can captivate an audience and
hold their attention. You might even say, even though it's athletic,
they're telling a story. Okay, do their acrobatics. Let's give
a golden mask to the god of stories. Loki. Oh boy,
because you take a look at this motley crew of luchador's,
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this deck that has almost nothing in common, and you think,
I bet my opponent made a more coherent deck than
I did. So you play Loki and suddenly you've got
your opponent's deck.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Hey, your bonuses are based on what you start with.
So you started with a Luchador deck. But Loki a
little slight of hand. He's also the god of mischief
and the god of lies and so suddenly you made
your Luca door deck, but your opponent did the work
of defeating themselves thanks to Luca.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Loki Lucha Loki. That's actually really good. Number two is
actually number three's manager. We're going to call this hurt
their valet because that's but you know, when times get tough,
you know, times get tough, they can step in the
ring and hold their own if they need to, and
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that will be Ranya Aranya. And I'm maybe I'm playing
in with the Mexican Lucia Librain. Change your name, do
not even have to change your name. She can get
in there. She can help multiple man multiple Man one
and two generate and actually make a difference. Possibly she
can also move some of these other cards here that
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like just by chance, if you want to get Sentry
over to the right hand side, you can do that,
grab blob and then put him where you want. Well,
actually you can't move him. He is the blob.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
They took that away so he can be moved. They
decided he was too powerful, so they took one of
the most comic accurate effects in the game. Makes Second
Dinner trying to get themselves more money. Me no big
deal second dinner, trying to improve gameplay, and daring to
cross comic book continuity. How dare you right?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Plus we needed another female representative here as well, so
you know, I.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Believe they call those senoritas.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Senoritas, that is correct. So we now have at least
if you're looking at my list, I've got four senioritas. Well,
but Aranya is in there. She's going to help out
the multiple man and if she needs to hop in
the ring and hold her in against Titania, she can.
All right, So there you go. And then I guess
that takes me not my number one. I'm really curious
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as to what your number one is going to be.
But when I thought of this list, this was the
first name that came to mind as far as acrobatics,
as far as Lujah Lebra, but one that I want
to see that has you know, we get this mask
on this person. They are in the air most of
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the time because they are Bathrock zele Per.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I thought about him.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Definitely him, that's great. So Batrock, Yeah, I mean, clearly
he works better with my lists. When you got Silk
bouncing around, Batrock can follow around as well. Oh yeah,
obviously I spent more time thinking about wrestling references than
I did justification of being on this list, because it's
hard for me to come up with stuff. But I
thought of him because he's in the air most of
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the time. He's moving around Silk and would bounce around.
He's not going to fit very well into this deck,
but again it's a mismash. I feel like I'd have
to take at least two or three out in substitute
three or four from my list in there somehow. But anyway,
there you go. That is my number one Batrock, the Leaper.
I want to see him with a mask. I want
to see him leaping from the top rope that's in
his name for crying out loud. Evan Bevans, what's your
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number one?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Batrock was definitely under consideration, even though I had a
few that were more thematically part of it. I gave
the most weight to the ones I thought could help
out with this deck. You can make an argument that
Loki has the best chance of turning this deck into
something workable, but I went with this one for a
couple of reasons. He has the potential even though he's
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not a character that I see leaping around. Not a
character that's usually masked. I leave it to the folks
do in the wardrobe to shine him up and give
a good presentation. In terms of making this deck work,
we need a Luchador variant for Merlin. He's a two cost.
There's a void there. He's going to generate some cheap
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cards because there's not a lot of low cost cards
in this deck. He can upgrade the cards with polymorph,
and especially as a friend of mine pointed out, polymorph
is a great card and a great reason to run
Merlin alongside the sentry. Ooh, polymorph on the void and
you go from a five cost negative nine power to
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a six cost. Gotta be more than negative nine power.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So he fills the two cost void, he upgrades Centry.
You could also play polymorph on White Tiger, because once
she produces that Tiger spirit, that one power is not
really doing you a whole lot of good. Turn her
into a six cost. Use universal Presence to change the
location to a ring of your choosing, or one of
those cards back with once in future to get you
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some more energy to get some of those higher cost
mismatched cards out there. So no, you won't be flying
around but get him a good tailor and get those
cards out there. I'm not a wrestling expert. I don't
know if the managers are as prevalent in luchador wrestling
as they are in some of the professional wrestling I
have seen. That's where he fits in, but it's going
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to take some magic to get that deck into anything coherent,
and that's where we need Loki and Merlin.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You've done a fantastic job here and everything that you're
saying makes sense. I want to show you a picture
real quick. Marlin doesn't need to be a wrestler, but
he can be a manager.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That's worship.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Kim Chee, I think used to manage Abdullah the butcher
I believe, or the Uganda giant Kamala. He used to
so he had a looten or mask on he was
just a manager. And if you told me that, you
know Merlin, older guy, and throw a mask on him,
and then he's just out there whipping things out for
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all his players in order to make them better. That's
exactly what a good manager would do. So I think
that is a perfect spot for Merlin. Let's go ahead.
We'll get into our also rans. The people that we
had on our list but didn't make the cut. I'll
go ahead and start first. Okay, if I had Baron
z Emo, he's already got a mask, but my goodness,
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you need a good heel for your wrestling league.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
This is the original Baron Zemo who accidentally glued his
mask to his head could very well be.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Also, you got Blob in here, So a good idea
is to get cards and pulling them from the other
person's deck is always helpful, but you're also able to
produce more cards if you got Baron Zmo in your hand.
I also had Gladiator, just because I remember wrastling a
few times with Ben Grimm. Now as to whether he's
going to do much here in this deck, it's just
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like he fits with everybody else that has some kind
of random ability. You can bring people in obliterate him hopefully.
Then we have Hercules. I was thinking about my move
aspect of what I had in my deck here already
bouncing some people off of their Hercules also has a
very you know there was a Hercules Hernandez in.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
The eighties WF that I can remember. He's a brude,
he's a grappler. He definitely fits.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, he absolutely does. And then I had Iron Fist
on here as well, and iron Fist is martial arts,
hand to hand. He's not using guns, he's not using weapons.
He is definitely wrestling themed, I guess you would say.
And I think that's it. That's all I had for
my also rans, did you you got your list there?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, I had a I tossed everybody on there that
I thought maybe so I won't go through all of them.
But in terms of big bruisers who just fit the
mold for some of the other cards, Luke Cage and
I mean, you know, in the seventies, Luke was a
flashy dresser, so he'd be right at home here yep.
And then let's see, I also thought of because there
aren't a lot of low cost cards, and you might
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have some turns. You don't play much Sunspot. I think
he's a little further south than Luca Door's tend to be.
I don't know the South American wrestling scene in terms
of trying to make cards that don't work together work together.
We talked earlier about Nightmare.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I thought that's where you were going
with Merlin.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, and then the one prominent Lucia door name that
I did know, also a two cost but I just
couldn't figure out how to make the mask work. Mysterio.
Oh yeah, just imagine this like Lucador mass stretched over
a fish bowl. Yeah, Zorn already has a mask.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
True.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And then the other one that I thought of because
some would say he already dresses like a Mexican wrestler
is the vision. I remember the Halloween Spectacular episode of
Wanda Vision. This comic accurate costume was a result of
her fondness for me.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So but Jesse, I know I said anything went on this,
and there are a lot of different criteria we could do.
But I did do one hard line to limit myself
that I thought might be stretched into a top five,
and then it became something more because I didn't allow
myself to include characters who would be great Lutrador variants
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who aren't in the game yet, but.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
That I can't wait to hear this list because I
actually through my head.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Then I thought, you know what, why just limit this
to a list We've talked before, and they've done a
good job at getting fantastic four first steps. I think
the season half that has something to do with Glactus
and his heralds. But why just a series of variants?
Why not a whole season? Why not unlimited class wrestling
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season on Snap? And I just came up with these.
I did not come up with powers for him, the abilities,
but the season pass card to embody this and to
get people interested. It's not a headliner, but more people
need to know this character exists, and this is the
perfect spotlight. El Vampiro, Elvanpiro, the Eternal who is a
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luchador who you've heard me talk about this before four
number two ninety. In the midst of the multi year
Celestial Eternal Saga, Thor gets kicked out of Asgard is
flying through Los Angeles and runs into a dude dressed
as a vampire bat who turns out to be an
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eternal luchador or named El Vampiro, bitterly fighting against El
Toro Rojo, a deviant luchador who did not make the
list just because you know, some people are too obscure.
El van Piro had a brief shot at fame because
he was in an early draft of Eternals. It's a
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shame we didn't get him, but he's the foremost Luchador
in Marvel comics, and I mean immortal Luchador addressed as
a vampire bat. I don't know who doesn't, ye, that's perfect.
Four number two ninety is one of my favorite comics.
It's just insane. Yeah, we talked about it. Billy ed
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Moore and I did a lengthy, lengthy, lengthy read through
of the Eternal Saga and Thor that issue was in it.
It's a highlight. It still had to do with the
Eternals before Odin's eyeball told Thor stories about operas for
four issues. All that is accurate. All of that is accurate.
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So yeah, so there you go. The season pass card
for Unlimited Class Wrestling, Al Vampiro, first featured card, first
featured card had a chance to be a well known
Marvel Luchador was at one point attached the subject of
a film, with none other than Bad Bunny attached to
play El Muerto. The two issue story in Friendly Neighborhood
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spider Man Peter David wrote it, I went back and
looked at the wiki. It had something to do with
the superhero Luchador and to cement his powers, he had
to unmask a hero He set up about with Spider
Man to do it? Okay, Sony was like, okay, Venom
Craven is a poor little rich punisher. Hey, bad Bunny,
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you want to be a luchador? Sure, okay, let's go.
Sadly that has fallen through and I don't know if
we're ever going to see that or Donald as the
hypno hustler your week one featured card for Unlimited Class
Wrestling elmerto now we go? Actually two Unlimited Class Wrestling
and sorry not Wesley Snipes, but d Man Man Demolition Dunfee,
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whose costume looks like Wolverine and Daredevil's laundry got mixed up,
and who I first met in The Hero's Return Avengers
as a homeless guy rating the Avengers Fridge Captain America
says he's an Avenger. That's good enough for me. And
he was one of the Again I need to go
back and read those Unlimited Class Wrestling stories, but he
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was in the Thing series when the Thing was part
of Unlimited Class Wrestling. D Man another of the Things
as sparring partners was Vance Asterrovik aka Marvel Boy aka
Justice Wow. And so we can finally get Marvel Boy
slash Justice in here and finally get another new warrior
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besides Debris.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And before our last featured car, we got to throw
some season fours in there, right, and people that fit
the theme but may not be super popular. So for one,
we have Lamar Hoskins, who you might know better as
battle Star. Oh yes, and who was also Bucky for
five minutes and as part of the Unlimited Class Wrestling
Wow okay, you know the guy who got his neck
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broken against the stone pillar in Falcon and Winter Soldier
spoiler alert. And then another Unlimited Class Wrestling veteran. We
can't call her Miss Marvel though, because that would get
confusing with Kamala Khan. I've only ever seen her referred
to as she Thing on Hero clicks Figures. Let's just
go with Sharon Ventura want woman wrestler superhuman love interest
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to the Thing. We could have her in her cost tuned.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Wrestler persona or.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Her rocky female thing. There's opportunities for variants there.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Now, speaking of variants, Jesse, oh my goodness, you got
to have some variants of existing characters.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
So obviously the Thing Luchidore variant would be there, but
also there will be a four variant. That's just Don
Blake with a handkerchief over his face, because that's what
he had to do when El Toro Rojo stole his
walking stick, not knowing that it's the walking stick that
turns into beyond air. So as Eltoro Rojo was about
to kill a regular human wrestler in the ring, Don
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Blake puts on a mask like an Old West bandit
and climbs in the ring after him to take back
his weapon.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And then some of the other variants. But Jesse, there's
one more, one more card in season card and if
Unlimited Class Wrestling doesn't get your interest, maybe this one will.
He did enter the wrestling ring and take on the Thing.
I believe it was in The Thing number thirty. He
has ties a lot of other Marvel characters. The Beyonder
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got in the ring, got in the ring. Wow, I
think I haven't read that issue. But he ended up
humiliating the Thing, which led to one of my all
time favorite Thing moments when the Thing decided to you know,
get back at the Beyonder and made a deal with
none other than Mephisto to do it. Fisto was working
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on behalf of a bunch of cosmic entities who thought
the Beyonder posed a threat to all existence, So he
was empowering different superhuman agents to take out the Beyonder.
All they had to do was touch him. Oh yeah, well,
so then ben Grim, with his power amped up by
magical means, goes to settle a score with the Beyonder,
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realizes Ben Grimm's better than that, and then turns and
faces dozens of Marvel's most threatening supervillains, all of whom
just need to lay a finger on the Beyonder to
destroy one third of the universe and the Beyonder, and
Ben Grimm says, it's claberantine.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh my goodness, what a list of bonus content right there,
and Beyonder would be the card. He'd be the big
one that season. So good stuff you brought it this time,
Evan Bevans, That's for sure, this was a good one.
I'm really curious as to what that twelve Lucha variant
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is going to be. We're gonna have to keep an
eye out see what it's going to be. Let's get
into plugs. Let everybody know what you are doing right
now over there on asterisk fifty one, and anything else
you've got going on.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
As of so before. If you like the way I
think but hate the way I talk, you can just
read my thoughts on comics, movies, and all sorts of
other assorted weirdness over at astisk fifty one dot blogspot
dot com. After this and we'll be putting the finishing
touches on my post for Shark Week featuring Shark Attack,
which is a movie in which sharks attack people. Let's see,
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I'm actually coming up on my three hundredth post before long,
got something special planned for that. I'm still looking for
a good long term project, but in the meantime, I've
been doing things like missing links, go back and finally
read comics that have eluded me over the years, and
runs or stories I was collecting. Hashtag Dollar Tree Cinema,
which a Shark Attack is going to be part of
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hashtag free Comic Friday, seeing as how it was just
recently Independence Day. You can also go back and check
out my series on that time Captain America became a werewolf,
because what better way to celebrate the founding of our
nation then with its foremost symbol getting really hairy?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
That is right, all right? Well, ladies and gentlemen. You're
listening to this on the Source Material Comics feed where
we talk about comics, talk about to Marvel Snap, we
talk about nineties comics as well. So the Source Material
Comics podcast recently dropped. We're actually still in the middle
of the Joker Stories, which our last show was on
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the twenty third of June. Source Material had Joker Presents
a puzzle Box, and then we got one more after that,
which will be the Joke War Saga, which should be
airing in a couple of weeks. Clown can believe it
or not? One of my favorite characters. Good question, very
(40:12):
good question. Then we have coming up on Unspoken Issues
and what just passed For July fourth, Unspoken Issues aired
our discussion on Fighting American number one, Age in America.
I swerved everybody there a couple of days ago on
the West Wing show, Joe Simon and Jack Kirby got
together and created this patriotic superhero and then Rob Leifeld
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grabbed a hold of the Fighting American and let everybody
know all about it. Fighting America Number one that aired
this past Friday on July fourth, we got All Star
Superman coming up for Source material that me and yeah,
me and Mark Radles talked about All Star Superman, So
that's going to be airing on the seventh and then yeah,
right here, you can tune in about once a month
you can hear me and Evan Evans get together and
(40:57):
talk about Marvel Snap you about four or five episodes
in the middle of the month. Top five, previous season,
next season, all that good stuff. Go check out the YouTube.
We got some good stuff over there. Just about every
show that you hear on the podcast airs over there
as well. So we're getting out of here. That is
Evan Bevans. I am Jesse Starcher. Thank you so much
for joining us. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Have a good one, am bye.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome, It's time for the
Snap Material top five. This was one that we've batted
around for a short amount of time and I was like, no,
we definitely got to do it. Evan Bevans. Let the
people know the idea behind today's top five.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, we have expressed multiple times our admiration and appreciation
of the Luchador variants, and I unlocked the Luchador. I
think it was the Red Guardian Lucador, and I said,
you know, now I'm one step closer to a full
Luca Door deck. But if you are going to try
to attempt a full Luchador deck and Snap, you won't
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be playing with a full deck because there are only
eleven official Luchador variants, right. I think you or some
other people have suggested that the Venom title belt variant
could fill a spot on there, and then there's the
null variant where he has taken the belt from Venom. Yes,
so how about we do the top five cards that
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should get a Luchador variant instead of just saying, hey,
these guys will look cool as Lucidors or gals, which
is a valid bit of criteria and should be considered
in this Let's look at the eleven cards that have
Luchidor variants and see who would work well to make
this a playable deck. Since we're talking about all the
synergy in the upcoming Fantastic four season, I will say
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there is not much synergy among the Lutrador.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah. I was going to say this is a tough one,
and I went I went into it, like you're talking about.
I looked at these cards. I was like, what would
kind of work with these? Is really tough? I mean,
did you run down these cards that we do.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Have out Here are the Luchetor variants. I'll go in
order from least to greatest in terms of cost and power.
We start with Umbaku crouching about to leap from the turnbuckle.
Then we have Titania, who has been a professional wrestler.
One cost two power, Umbaku one cost five power. Titania.
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Umbaku's ability is if you haven't drawn him, he jumps
onto an open spot on the space with the least power,
a source of endless snap joy. Yes, Titania switches sides
whenever a card is played. Then we have Red Guardian,
who you might know from me, recommending to Jesse every
(02:37):
time he says he has trouble dealing with Carl I
have you tried Red Guardian? Have you sprayed wind decks
on it? Strong guy who gives what is a plus
six if you have one or zero cards in your hand? Yep, yep, yep.
And then Sabertooth, who, if he's destroyed, comes back as
a zero is a three cost five power card comes
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back as a zero cost five power card back in
your hand. The war Path gets a plus four if
one of your locations is empty. Drax who is it
also a plus four that he gets on reveal if
your opponent played a card at that location. The Century
fore costs nine power, who creates the fore cost negative
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nine power void in the far right lane, and he
can't be played in the far right lane. Then we
have White Tiger on reveal creates a Tiger Spirit card
with eight power, and task Master six costs zero power,
copies the power of the last card you played. If
you are using this deck, you probably want to play
them after Blob six costs zero power, who absorbs cards
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up to a certain point. Probably not many cards left
in the deck at this point, and you see the problem.
Not a lot of these cards work well together, so
we need more Lutra door variants. In general, we need
at least one more to make a deck. We're offering
these help full suggestions to second Dinner about who needs
a Lutrador variant and how they could work with these
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other cards.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
All right, so we're just looking for the one that
would complete this. Is that how you went into this thinking.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I looked at cards that work with the Lutrador theme
because a lot of these guys are bruisers. How they
would work thematically or in tandem with these cards? Put
all five of them in. Maybe they could work together
with the cards on your list. And we don't have
a lot of hard and fast rules. It's mostly subjective.
Except for the list we did about the cards you
don't want to see coming out of the X Mansion,
my top five could barely have been the top ten
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as an addition to your list. But most of the
time it's pretty subjective. So these are just the cards
you think need variants, whether that's thematically, how it appears,
or how it would work with these other cards. Okay,
there's no wrong answers.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I'm rethinking my number one right now. Answer Cerebro needs
to be a mask. That that's really all it needs
to be. Make it a mask variant somehow to where
it goes over and becomes a mask. When I looked
at this, I was looking at these cards, going, Okay,
but what would kind of work? I do have a
couple one here that do work well. But I also
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was looking at them and going will these cards work
with the other cards that I'm suggesting? So what may
end up may end up happening here is you may
see that some of these cards that I'm suggesting well
may not be the twelfth card in this deck. But
we could substitute maybe two or three off my list
and put them in here along with the rest of
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these Lucha doors, a select few of these Lucha doors,
and then we have a deck.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But I have a huge list of cards that I
thought about but didn't make it. I do have one
on the outside looking in that I would like to
give special mention to. Okay, first thing I did is
I made a deck with the eleven Lutra door cards.
Even though I don't have all the variants. I made
a deck with those cards, and I'm like, okay, Auto Phil,
what card do you say would complete this deck, and
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I figured, at worst that one gets number five on
my life, but it did not because when I hit Autophil,
auto Phil gave me the Hood. Maybe the logic is,
you got a lot of cards that don't work together,
so you need a low cost, high power card to
add to this mix, and the Hood gives you that
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with the Demon, maybe that's what it was thinking. I
could not in good conscience put the Hood on there
when there were other cards that I thought had a
pretty good chance of making my top five that ultimately didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, so you want to leave those till the end
or you want to go through Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Otherwise, I mean, we'd probably have a pretty good idea
of and I bet if we both have sizeable as
they say on the Dan Levatard show, olies outside looking in,
we're probably going to name each other's cards on there anyway.
So yeah, I think, I mean, if we come up
with one, you say, hey, I considered that one or whatever,
but yeah, I think we save that, just get right
to our top five. Now, was the Hood on your list?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
The Hood was not on my list, not because.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The Hood is the worst and I haven't even seen
iron Her yet.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm taking out my ones on here that I do
already have. Here we go, and then I think that's it. Okay,
well then.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Let me just had to wrestle with m.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Down it as as a matter of fact, it was, well,
let me start out with number.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Five bar all right, we're going to start.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Naming moves now. I want to go ahead and start
with silk. Honestly, I'm looking at these cars now. There's
no rhyme or reason to even have her in there
other than the fact that she's going to bounce around
now with what's upcoming on my list. Let me put
it this way. I am a bit of a wrestling fan.
I know you get wrestling references, so at some point
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you were watching wrestling, probably in the eighties as well,
and even the nineties during the Attitude era.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I don't know, the whole Cogan cartoon was my gateway, Okay,
all right, So I interviewed Rowdy Roddy Piper once.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Was it for the Zombies movie that they were.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Filming Zombies per Wrestlers versus Zombies.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Have not watched that yet. Roddy Piper are.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Our mutual friend. Nathan Arnold was an extra in it.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Was he really.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I was gonna say they had a lot of.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Gotten mistaken for a wrestler.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
At one point there were a lot of wrestlers from
the round here that were part of it. Yeah, one
of these days I want to sit back and watch
that because I know, is it really Yeah? I think
I know half the people in it, which is crazy anyway.
So what's going through my head is like, okay, luchadors.
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I'm thinking, okay, well I need a luchador deck. What
fits a luchador normally when you saw them, especially in WCW.
Let's say in mid to late nineties, the luchitor showed up.
There was a guy by the name of Psychosis Ray
Mysterio Ray Phoenix is one that's a luchador right now, Penta.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
These guys took to the skies, moved, and those types
of wrestlers were known for that acrobatic style that kind
of influenced a lot of my list.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Here. These cards are a mishmash. Well, let's stick with
the mishmash theme. Then all right, fine, I'll throw silk
in there. She can jump around all over the place,
and I want to see her, you know, whatever crazy
costume that she would come up with. There you go,
we got some kind of spider costume for her in
the ring. There you go, my number five for this
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crazy mish mash of a Luchador deck silk. There you go,
what's your number five? Evan Bevanson?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
All right, my number five would not really add anything
to the deck. But probably the most famous professional wrestler
in mar comics, you know, doesn't get a lot of
love on this show, even though we love the character,
but Marvel Snap has done him wrong. The least they
could do is give the thing a lucid or variant.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, yeah, the thing.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I haven't read the original stories, but I know he
was part of the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
He took on some notable characters there, and he's a
big bruiser like a lot of the guys that already
have the Luchador variants. They could even use his helmet
mask from the Nies. In the Overpower card game, he
had a card that used that and it was called
Bucket o Shame.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Because the way he looked.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah maybe with you know he had. I was looking
at some of those covers today and he had this
black kind of singlet thing on so you know, maybe
something like that, give Ben Grim a luchador variant.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, I'm gonna pull This episode hasn't aired yet, but
we did a recent top five. It was me, Darry Dean,
and Matt Matthew Price. We did a top five series
two nineteen ninety one Marvel Cards.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So I'm gonna pull a dairy in this because I
had Thing as my number one. No c Devil's No,
I had Thing as my number one.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
No, no man.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, here's the thing I I is is the thing.
I'm going to take Thing off my list and I'm
going to replace him because I have we have a
rundown of all these outside looking ins. I have another
one I'm want to put on my list. Really, I
didn't have much of a justification of putting Thing number
one other than what you just said for him being
at number five, which mays he just kind of sits here.
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But the reason, you know, him being in an actual
wrestling league in the Marvel comics made sense. I went
so far as to go to chat GPT and say, Okay,
I need you to do me a favor and justify
him as being Alucha door. Help me flesh this out.
El Colosso de Lancey Street. He would definitely be in
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the super heavyweight El Colosso division. He would be a face,
of course, don't push him too far. His entrance theme. Okay,
so it comes up with an entrance theme, and I
want to read this to you. The name of the
entrance theme is called the Clubber Time ninety five, a
pounding fusion of old school bronx hip hop at Mariachi Base.
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As the beat drops, orange pyro explodes from the corners,
while a massive stone wall rises behind him and shatters
open as he steps through it, arms raised. His signature
moves are the Yancey Slam, a two handed overhead power
bomb that echoes through the arena, the Brooklyn Avalanche corner
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running body press that crushes crush his heels like paper,
the Sidewalk Smash, a spinning sidewalk slam followed by a
ground punch that rattles the ring, and his final signature move,
the Cobblestone clutch. The Cobblestone clutch a surprise submission hole
rarely used, but when he locks it in, you feel it.
Can you guess what his finisher is called?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It has to be clober in Time, right.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Clover and time. Ben bounces off the ropes, raises one
massive rocky fist to the sky, and levels his opponent
with a running, spinning punch. The ring shakes, the lights flicker,
and the crowd counts the pin before.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
The ref can.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So there you go. That is, and they even have
some of his like okay the crowd chant which, by
the way, in Spanish, clobe beerri are clobe bear? Just clobber. Yes,
he will yell out to the crowd it's clover and time, baby.
(13:58):
There you go, there it is.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
That's so yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I really I'm glad you put him on the list.
I knew I was going to for sure, and I
had a feeling that we were going to overlap with him.
He deserves to be on here just because of his
history with the comics themselves. So there you go. I
appreciate you putting him on at number five. I think
he would be the mishmash here of what we got.
(14:20):
It's like he'd fit in just fine. He beat the
big face of this groups, all right. Going around to
your number.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Four, number four. One thing that the eleven Lutrador's lack
is a two cost card. I looked at a lot
of two cost cards and also tried to think who
could pull off the look. He could pull off the look.
I'm not sure he would pull off the attitude. I
don't think he would like being labeled a lutrador because
he's a you know, a bit of a USA first
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kind of guy.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Oh, okay, but I got us Agent Ooh interesting, all right,
US Agent, I mean has one of the great costumes
in comics, and you know he made I'd be a
big guy, but he's a bit of a bruiser, stubborn.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I could see him fitting in, and there's a vacancy
in that deck for two cost cards.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I would agree, definitely.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Now the downside is you've got a lot of four
or five and six cost cards and they wouldn't want
to be hanging around him. But you know, he could
take on some bigger opponents and give you an element
you're lacking in this deck.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's true. I mean, you got to think about what
you're going to be facing on the other side, and
he makes a difference. He can make a difference, for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Some people may be okay with waiting until turn three
to start playing, but I like to get some out
there earlier and US agent makes you think about putting
a card down in that lane? All right?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, So going to my number four. So I talked
about luchdors and their acrobatics. If I was to tell you,
let's see if Evan Bevins can read my mind. If
I was to say, okay, yeah, I want an acrobat
that could shoot people, oh cable. If I asked you
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to provide me with one superhero that's going to narrow
it down, that possesses acrobatic tendencies but is also a powerhouse,
where would you go? Where would your mind take you?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
It would either take me to Westchester or Queen's. So
I'm gonna say Spider Man.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Okay, all right, it is the Beast at the Beast.
So now we're not going to go furry version here,
all right, this card is going to be his human
ape like form. I guess the guy that could hang
from the ceiling biased toes that version of Beast. You
throw a mask on him and he would look perfect
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as a lucha door. Now to get into the mechanics,
one of the cards on here is Sentury. Throws that
void on one lane and you Beast will send him
right back to your hand, you don't have to worry
about the void anymore. He helps out there, and I
don't think he really fits in with too much else,
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I mean, other than if you want to get another
red Guardian out there for one less power the next turn,
then great, you can smack somebody else with Red Guardian.
He can drop an elbow from the top rope or something.
But I like beasts for my number four, and now
I guess we'll get into my number three, so my
number three again, I'm going with these lutrator ideas. In
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my mind. One of the few things that I could
remember from back in the day, there were a couple
heels by the name of the Vianos. The fiano's had
a mask and you could not see anything as far
as their face goes other than their eyes. They had
a space for their nose in their mouth. A lot
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of times one of the viano's would be in trouble.
He'd be getting pounded on. The good guy would be
pounding on them, and then the ref would turn their
back to go talk to somebody than the core. Well,
the other viano would grab that viano, pull them out,
and then he would jump in place and nobody would
know the difference. And so now you got a fresh
viano in there, and he's able to get up and
come back, so he's not as beat up as the
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other viano was. My number three, throw a mask on him.
It's multiple man. Oh okay, multiple man comes in. Now
we got to figure out a way to move him,
which is not happening with these other cards. That's the
only problem. So I had to That's probably my only
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biggest concession here is that I don't know if there's
a way I.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Can get him moved multiplayer IEA.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's perfect. So he's in there, and if you can
get him, if you can figure out a way to
get him moved over better hope for the by Frost
or something like that. You know, now you have a
fresh multiple man in the vein of the viano's fiano
four and fiano five. There you go. So that's that's
my number three. Not the greatest, but hey, there you go.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
What do you like it? Okay? Well I did a
little adjusting to my list already. This one was a
little higher, but I really I was getting his mechanics
mixed up with somebody else. The only problem with this
he compliments a card there's a lutrador card in here
that has a very specific effect. If you're not at
least trying to get that effect, there's no reason to
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have this card in your deck whatsoever. The problem is
he does work well with this effect. Making him a
lutador would be really difficult because the mask would be enormous.
Oh boy, I like strong Guy. I like Strong Guy
as a luchador. But you can't have strong Guy in
your deck unless you got a way to clean out
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your hand. And nobody does that better than my best
friend of me, Modoc Modoc. Imagine Modoc as a lutador.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Does he have shoulders?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It's a parachute. His mask is a parachute. And originally
I was like, oh yeah, and then he can destroy Sabertooth.
But that's destroyed, not discard. So I had to knock
him down a peg because he was less used full.
But he would compliment strong Guy and he would be
a pretty funny look in luchador.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh my goodness, So he.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Would be uh modall mobile organized organism, designed only for
Luca Libre.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Ah man, that's nice. I likedal Modell.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Designed only for wrestling.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Okay, all right, well then that takes you to your number.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Two, Yes, who was originally my number three. Okay, but
now we're talking about ways to make this deck useful.
That this character might not seem like an ideal fit
for Lucadors. And obviously you know more about Lutradors and
wrestling than I do. But I get the feeling that
a lot of Lucadors are showmen.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right, Oh yeah, they're they're there. There's something else.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
They're they're they're performers. They can captivate an audience and
hold their attention. You might even say, even though it's athletic,
they're telling a story. Okay, do their acrobatics. Let's give
a golden mask to the god of stories. Loki. Oh boy,
because you take a look at this motley crew of luchador's,
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this deck that has almost nothing in common, and you think,
I bet my opponent made a more coherent deck than
I did. So you play Loki and suddenly you've got
your opponent's deck.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Hey, your bonuses are based on what you start with.
So you started with a Luchador deck. But Loki a
little slight of hand. He's also the god of mischief
and the god of lies and so suddenly you made
your Luca door deck, but your opponent did the work
of defeating themselves thanks to Luca.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Loki Lucha Loki. That's actually really good. Number two is
actually number three's manager. We're going to call this hurt
their valet because that's but you know, when times get tough,
you know, times get tough, they can step in the
ring and hold their own if they need to, and
(22:07):
that will be Ranya Aranya. And I'm maybe I'm playing
in with the Mexican Lucia Librain. Change your name, do
not even have to change your name. She can get
in there. She can help multiple man multiple Man one
and two generate and actually make a difference. Possibly she
can also move some of these other cards here that
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like just by chance, if you want to get Sentry
over to the right hand side, you can do that,
grab blob and then put him where you want. Well,
actually you can't move him. He is the blob.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
They took that away so he can be moved. They
decided he was too powerful, so they took one of
the most comic accurate effects in the game. Makes Second
Dinner trying to get themselves more money. Me no big
deal second dinner, trying to improve gameplay, and daring to
cross comic book continuity. How dare you right?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Plus we needed another female representative here as well, so
you know, I.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Believe they call those senoritas.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Senoritas, that is correct. So we now have at least
if you're looking at my list, I've got four senioritas. Well,
but Aranya is in there. She's going to help out
the multiple man and if she needs to hop in
the ring and hold her in against Titania, she can.
All right, So there you go. And then I guess
that takes me not my number one. I'm really curious
(23:28):
as to what your number one is going to be.
But when I thought of this list, this was the
first name that came to mind as far as acrobatics,
as far as Lujah Lebra, but one that I want
to see that has you know, we get this mask
on this person. They are in the air most of
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the time because they are Bathrock zele Per.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I thought about him.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Definitely him, that's great. So Batrock, Yeah, I mean, clearly
he works better with my lists. When you got Silk
bouncing around, Batrock can follow around as well. Oh yeah,
obviously I spent more time thinking about wrestling references than
I did justification of being on this list, because it's
hard for me to come up with stuff. But I
thought of him because he's in the air most of
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the time. He's moving around Silk and would bounce around.
He's not going to fit very well into this deck,
but again it's a mismash. I feel like I'd have
to take at least two or three out in substitute
three or four from my list in there somehow. But anyway,
there you go. That is my number one Batrock, the Leaper.
I want to see him with a mask. I want
to see him leaping from the top rope that's in
his name for crying out loud. Evan Bevans, what's your
(24:39):
number one?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Batrock was definitely under consideration, even though I had a
few that were more thematically part of it. I gave
the most weight to the ones I thought could help
out with this deck. You can make an argument that
Loki has the best chance of turning this deck into
something workable, but I went with this one for a
couple of reasons. He has the potential even though he's
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not a character that I see leaping around. Not a
character that's usually masked. I leave it to the folks
do in the wardrobe to shine him up and give
a good presentation. In terms of making this deck work,
we need a Luchador variant for Merlin. He's a two cost.
There's a void there. He's going to generate some cheap
(25:25):
cards because there's not a lot of low cost cards
in this deck. He can upgrade the cards with polymorph,
and especially as a friend of mine pointed out, polymorph
is a great card and a great reason to run
Merlin alongside the sentry. Ooh, polymorph on the void and
you go from a five cost negative nine power to
(25:47):
a six cost. Gotta be more than negative nine power.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So he fills the two cost void, he upgrades Centry.
You could also play polymorph on White Tiger, because once
she produces that Tiger spirit, that one power is not
really doing you a whole lot of good. Turn her
into a six cost. Use universal Presence to change the
location to a ring of your choosing, or one of
those cards back with once in future to get you
(26:15):
some more energy to get some of those higher cost
mismatched cards out there. So no, you won't be flying
around but get him a good tailor and get those
cards out there. I'm not a wrestling expert. I don't
know if the managers are as prevalent in luchador wrestling
as they are in some of the professional wrestling I
have seen. That's where he fits in, but it's going
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to take some magic to get that deck into anything coherent,
and that's where we need Loki and Merlin.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You've done a fantastic job here and everything that you're
saying makes sense. I want to show you a picture
real quick. Marlin doesn't need to be a wrestler, but
he can be a manager.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That's worship.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Kim Chee, I think used to manage Abdullah the butcher
I believe, or the Uganda giant Kamala. He used to
so he had a looten or mask on he was
just a manager. And if you told me that, you
know Merlin, older guy, and throw a mask on him,
and then he's just out there whipping things out for
(27:19):
all his players in order to make them better. That's
exactly what a good manager would do. So I think
that is a perfect spot for Merlin. Let's go ahead.
We'll get into our also rans. The people that we
had on our list but didn't make the cut. I'll
go ahead and start first. Okay, if I had Baron
z Emo, he's already got a mask, but my goodness,
(27:41):
you need a good heel for your wrestling league.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
This is the original Baron Zemo who accidentally glued his
mask to his head could very well be.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Also, you got Blob in here, So a good idea
is to get cards and pulling them from the other
person's deck is always helpful, but you're also able to
produce more cards if you got Baron Zmo in your hand.
I also had Gladiator, just because I remember wrastling a
few times with Ben Grimm. Now as to whether he's
going to do much here in this deck, it's just
(28:11):
like he fits with everybody else that has some kind
of random ability. You can bring people in obliterate him hopefully.
Then we have Hercules. I was thinking about my move
aspect of what I had in my deck here already
bouncing some people off of their Hercules also has a
very you know there was a Hercules Hernandez in.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
The eighties WF that I can remember. He's a brude,
he's a grappler. He definitely fits.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, he absolutely does. And then I had Iron Fist
on here as well, and iron Fist is martial arts,
hand to hand. He's not using guns, he's not using weapons.
He is definitely wrestling themed, I guess you would say.
And I think that's it. That's all I had for
my also rans, did you you got your list there?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, I had a I tossed everybody on there that
I thought maybe so I won't go through all of them.
But in terms of big bruisers who just fit the
mold for some of the other cards, Luke Cage and
I mean, you know, in the seventies, Luke was a
flashy dresser, so he'd be right at home here yep.
And then let's see, I also thought of because there
aren't a lot of low cost cards, and you might
(29:17):
have some turns. You don't play much Sunspot. I think
he's a little further south than Luca Door's tend to be.
I don't know the South American wrestling scene in terms
of trying to make cards that don't work together work together.
We talked earlier about Nightmare.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I thought that's where you were going
with Merlin.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, and then the one prominent Lucia door name that
I did know, also a two cost but I just
couldn't figure out how to make the mask work. Mysterio.
Oh yeah, just imagine this like Lucador mass stretched over
a fish bowl. Yeah, Zorn already has a mask.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
True.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And then the other one that I thought of because
some would say he already dresses like a Mexican wrestler
is the vision. I remember the Halloween Spectacular episode of
Wanda Vision. This comic accurate costume was a result of
her fondness for me.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So but Jesse, I know I said anything went on this,
and there are a lot of different criteria we could do.
But I did do one hard line to limit myself
that I thought might be stretched into a top five,
and then it became something more because I didn't allow
myself to include characters who would be great Lutrador variants
(30:42):
who aren't in the game yet, but.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
That I can't wait to hear this list because I
actually through my head.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Then I thought, you know what, why just limit this
to a list We've talked before, and they've done a
good job at getting fantastic four first steps. I think
the season half that has something to do with Glactus
and his heralds. But why just a series of variants?
Why not a whole season? Why not unlimited class wrestling
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season on Snap? And I just came up with these.
I did not come up with powers for him, the abilities,
but the season pass card to embody this and to
get people interested. It's not a headliner, but more people
need to know this character exists, and this is the
perfect spotlight. El Vampiro, Elvanpiro, the Eternal who is a
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luchador who you've heard me talk about this before four
number two ninety. In the midst of the multi year
Celestial Eternal Saga, Thor gets kicked out of Asgard is
flying through Los Angeles and runs into a dude dressed
as a vampire bat who turns out to be an
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eternal luchador or named El Vampiro, bitterly fighting against El
Toro Rojo, a deviant luchador who did not make the
list just because you know, some people are too obscure.
El van Piro had a brief shot at fame because
he was in an early draft of Eternals. It's a
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shame we didn't get him, but he's the foremost Luchador
in Marvel comics, and I mean immortal Luchador addressed as
a vampire bat. I don't know who doesn't, ye, that's perfect.
Four number two ninety is one of my favorite comics.
It's just insane. Yeah, we talked about it. Billy ed
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Moore and I did a lengthy, lengthy, lengthy read through
of the Eternal Saga and Thor that issue was in it.
It's a highlight. It still had to do with the
Eternals before Odin's eyeball told Thor stories about operas for
four issues. All that is accurate. All of that is accurate.
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So yeah, so there you go. The season pass card
for Unlimited Class Wrestling, Al Vampiro, first featured card, first
featured card had a chance to be a well known
Marvel Luchador was at one point attached the subject of
a film, with none other than Bad Bunny attached to
play El Muerto. The two issue story in Friendly Neighborhood
(33:29):
spider Man Peter David wrote it, I went back and
looked at the wiki. It had something to do with
the superhero Luchador and to cement his powers, he had
to unmask a hero He set up about with Spider
Man to do it? Okay, Sony was like, okay, Venom
Craven is a poor little rich punisher. Hey, bad Bunny,
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you want to be a luchador? Sure, okay, let's go.
Sadly that has fallen through and I don't know if
we're ever going to see that or Donald as the
hypno hustler your week one featured card for Unlimited Class
Wrestling elmerto now we go? Actually two Unlimited Class Wrestling
and sorry not Wesley Snipes, but d Man Man Demolition Dunfee,
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whose costume looks like Wolverine and Daredevil's laundry got mixed up,
and who I first met in The Hero's Return Avengers
as a homeless guy rating the Avengers Fridge Captain America
says he's an Avenger. That's good enough for me. And
he was one of the Again I need to go
back and read those Unlimited Class Wrestling stories, but he
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was in the Thing series when the Thing was part
of Unlimited Class Wrestling. D Man another of the Things
as sparring partners was Vance Asterrovik aka Marvel Boy aka
Justice Wow. And so we can finally get Marvel Boy
slash Justice in here and finally get another new warrior
(35:03):
besides Debris.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And before our last featured car, we got to throw
some season fours in there, right, and people that fit
the theme but may not be super popular. So for one,
we have Lamar Hoskins, who you might know better as
battle Star. Oh yes, and who was also Bucky for
five minutes and as part of the Unlimited Class Wrestling
Wow okay, you know the guy who got his neck
(35:27):
broken against the stone pillar in Falcon and Winter Soldier
spoiler alert. And then another Unlimited Class Wrestling veteran. We
can't call her Miss Marvel though, because that would get
confusing with Kamala Khan. I've only ever seen her referred
to as she Thing on Hero clicks Figures. Let's just
go with Sharon Ventura want woman wrestler superhuman love interest
(35:49):
to the Thing. We could have her in her cost tuned.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Wrestler persona or.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Her rocky female thing. There's opportunities for variants there.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Now, speaking of variants, Jesse, oh my goodness, you got
to have some variants of existing characters.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
So obviously the Thing Luchidore variant would be there, but
also there will be a four variant. That's just Don
Blake with a handkerchief over his face, because that's what
he had to do when El Toro Rojo stole his
walking stick, not knowing that it's the walking stick that
turns into beyond air. So as Eltoro Rojo was about
to kill a regular human wrestler in the ring, Don
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Blake puts on a mask like an Old West bandit
and climbs in the ring after him to take back
his weapon.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And then some of the other variants. But Jesse, there's
one more, one more card in season card and if
Unlimited Class Wrestling doesn't get your interest, maybe this one will.
He did enter the wrestling ring and take on the Thing.
I believe it was in The Thing number thirty. He
has ties a lot of other Marvel characters. The Beyonder
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got in the ring, got in the ring. Wow, I
think I haven't read that issue. But he ended up
humiliating the Thing, which led to one of my all
time favorite Thing moments when the Thing decided to you know,
get back at the Beyonder and made a deal with
none other than Mephisto to do it. Fisto was working
(37:17):
on behalf of a bunch of cosmic entities who thought
the Beyonder posed a threat to all existence, So he
was empowering different superhuman agents to take out the Beyonder.
All they had to do was touch him. Oh yeah, well,
so then ben Grim, with his power amped up by
magical means, goes to settle a score with the Beyonder,
(37:38):
realizes Ben Grimm's better than that, and then turns and
faces dozens of Marvel's most threatening supervillains, all of whom
just need to lay a finger on the Beyonder to
destroy one third of the universe and the Beyonder, and
Ben Grimm says, it's claberantine.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh my goodness, what a list of bonus content right there,
and Beyonder would be the card. He'd be the big
one that season. So good stuff you brought it this time,
Evan Bevans, That's for sure, this was a good one.
I'm really curious as to what that twelve Lucha variant
(38:15):
is going to be. We're gonna have to keep an
eye out see what it's going to be. Let's get
into plugs. Let everybody know what you are doing right
now over there on asterisk fifty one, and anything else
you've got going on.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
As of so before. If you like the way I
think but hate the way I talk, you can just
read my thoughts on comics, movies, and all sorts of
other assorted weirdness over at astisk fifty one dot blogspot
dot com. After this and we'll be putting the finishing
touches on my post for Shark Week featuring Shark Attack,
which is a movie in which sharks attack people. Let's see,
(38:48):
I'm actually coming up on my three hundredth post before long,
got something special planned for that. I'm still looking for
a good long term project, but in the meantime, I've
been doing things like missing links, go back and finally
read comics that have eluded me over the years, and
runs or stories I was collecting. Hashtag Dollar Tree Cinema,
which a Shark Attack is going to be part of
(39:09):
hashtag free Comic Friday, seeing as how it was just
recently Independence Day. You can also go back and check
out my series on that time Captain America became a werewolf,
because what better way to celebrate the founding of our
nation then with its foremost symbol getting really hairy?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
That is right, all right? Well, ladies and gentlemen. You're
listening to this on the Source Material Comics feed where
we talk about comics, talk about to Marvel Snap, we
talk about nineties comics as well. So the Source Material
Comics podcast recently dropped. We're actually still in the middle
of the Joker Stories, which our last show was on
(39:52):
the twenty third of June. Source Material had Joker Presents
a puzzle Box, and then we got one more after that,
which will be the Joke War Saga, which should be
airing in a couple of weeks. Clown can believe it
or not? One of my favorite characters. Good question, very
(40:12):
good question. Then we have coming up on Unspoken Issues
and what just passed For July fourth, Unspoken Issues aired
our discussion on Fighting American number one, Age in America.
I swerved everybody there a couple of days ago on
the West Wing show, Joe Simon and Jack Kirby got
together and created this patriotic superhero and then Rob Leifeld
(40:36):
grabbed a hold of the Fighting American and let everybody
know all about it. Fighting America Number one that aired
this past Friday on July fourth, we got All Star
Superman coming up for Source material that me and yeah,
me and Mark Radles talked about All Star Superman, So
that's going to be airing on the seventh and then yeah,
right here, you can tune in about once a month
you can hear me and Evan Evans get together and
(40:57):
talk about Marvel Snap you about four or five episodes
in the middle of the month. Top five, previous season,
next season, all that good stuff. Go check out the YouTube.
We got some good stuff over there. Just about every
show that you hear on the podcast airs over there
as well. So we're getting out of here. That is
Evan Bevans. I am Jesse Starcher. Thank you so much
for joining us. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Have a good one, am bye.
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