Source Material #398 - Quantum and Woody vol. 3 (Acclaim, 1998) - The Source Material Comics Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good day.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Time books around with here, sliding feelings, take time down.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We're here to dis sector.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
He's material fun time.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Source Material
Comics Podcast. I am your host, Jesse Starter. We have returned.
And when I say we, I'm talking about Al Sadano
of the Adam Warlock and Thanos Podcast. Oh, welcome back.

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We're talking Quantum and Woody. We're finishing up this first volume. Dude,
it's third, third volume.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Third.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Well, let's try let's try that first series. Is that better?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Okay, there we go. That's what I'm looking for. First.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Jesus on that main line, Tell him what you want.
Jesus is on that main line. Tell him what you want.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh that We'll drive a man in saying right there,
Quantum and Woody, Christopher Priest, M. D. Bright. This series
was a revelation when we first talked about it for
me because I hadn't had a chance to read it.
The amount of fun this book has been. We did
our second volume, it's been a while. We borded a
few months back, and now we're getting into the third

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and final set of issues to round out this first series.
Because they have relaunched a little bit since then. I
think has there been one or two relaunches since this.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well, there's two different relaunches. Valiant relaunched the company completely
several years ago, and Quantum Woody was part of that relaunch,
mostly reimagining. New creative team, new Basic, Quantum Moody were
actually fostered, were actually brothers or step brothers. Wood He
was adopted by Quantum's dad as kids, so they grew

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up together. So and it's a little it is somewhat different.
But then there also at some point was a quant
Q two. It was called Q two The Return of
Quantum Woody five issue mini series by Priest and Bright,
which basically kind of up ended a story of the
original version, this version at Quantum Woody, having them several
years older, in their late thirties, early forties. I believe

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it was supposed to take place in the year it
came out, like twenty fifteen or something.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Gotcha. Gotcha, So we're going to do fourteen fifteen, sixteen seventeen.
We're going to talk about those first. Our creative team,
Christopher Priest, writing penciled by M. D. Bright, Greg Adams
on Inks, Dave Lanfear on letters with Shabon Hannah helping
out number fourteen through sixteen, and colorist Dennis Kalero. Our
story titles here are War, Peace, Fear, and Hate. This

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is a four part story called Magnum Force.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Okay, this kind of does work as a wrap up
for this initial part of the series because it ties
in all the stuff that had happened beforehand. All the
relevant stuff has come in Terrence Magnum, who was like
the guy they fought like the first one issue or
two plus, you know what happened to Taylor and Woody
coming out and telling you Eric why they're doing all
of this and the fact that it's all his fault

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and we should stop afterwards, Like this is like coming
to a head. I mean, didn't want it to be canceled,
but honestly not a bad spot to.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
End because maybe this is somebody's first episode. You never know,
they come into a part three of what we're talking about.
Just do your best to kind of describe who Quantum
and Woody are.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Quantum Woody are best friends. They just have the time
hate each other, who have been a strange for several years.
Their fathers both worked at some kind of high tech
lab and their dads died in a mysterious explosion, and
they both were in their lab that night and there
was an accident, and now they both have quantum esque
energy powers. The problem is it's changing them into energy.
And if they have control bands they have to wear

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on each one in their arms, and if they don't
clang them together once every twenty four hours, they a
will vanish from existence. So half the time they can't
stand each other. But they can't live more than you know.
They can't be more than a couple hours away from
each other at best, every day.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
As much as you like a person, sometimes it's tough
to be tied to them for that long. Oh well,
I'm tied to you for the rest of my life
no matter what. There's going to be a time where
I have to see you within a twenty four hours
period every single day.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Especially when both of them have major issues. They both
have issues, and come on, Boody's life, think about it.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
They're trying to work through a lot of stuff, and
it's fun to watch them do that. It's fun to
watch priests have these characters, especially what he as we're
getting into this four part series here, what he most
of the time has been this joker, but now this
event with Taylor where Taylor got murdered, has just flipped

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a switch in him, and he is angry. Yeah, he
is out for blood.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
He's angry Eric, he's angry. Turns Magnum and he's angry
at himself.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah. So we're at a point where what we were
used to and some of the previous issues has kind
of turned around for one of our main characters, usually
the big jokester. Most of the humor in this book
revolves around him. You've got Eric, who's definitely straight laced,
trying to get the almost a batman esque type.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
He's trying to be a Batman. It's like Batman if
he was stuck teaming up with Ambushbug.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, well, let's get into the synopsis here. Sit back, relax,
I got a few paragraphs to read. Won't be too long.
I'm basically taking all four issues here. I want to
rocket right through him and then we'll have our notes
here at the end. So Issue fourteen begins with Quantum
and what he crashing into ash and guns blazing in
one liner's flying in hot pursuit of vengeance. What he
is dead set on taking out Terrence Magnum, the man

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responsible for the death of tailor. Eric urges caution, but
what he's boiling rage won't be held back. Their assault
on Magnum's compound is full of over the top chaos,
rubber bullets, energy cloaks, flying sleds, and goat eaten instruction manuals,
But underneath the comedy there's a real emotional weight. Eric
tries to steer the mission with responsibility, while wood He

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starts confronting the guilt he's masked behind jokes. As they
fight their way through layers of Magnum's defenses, they realize
they're not just under attack, they're being tested. Magnum has
turned their rampage into a demonstration for potential buyers, showing
off his weapons, using Quantum and Woody as unwilling pawns.
What his fury explodes when he confronts Magnum directly accusing

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him just not just of murder, but of exploiting his
guilt and turning him into a weapon. The emotional climax
hits hard. Woody's powers erupt with a strange, uncontrollable surge
of energy just as he collapsed from exhaustion. In issue fifteen,
the story opens with Quantum and what he captured, unconscious
and containment tubes, while a mysterious and unstable villain named

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mister Locke is tormented by a surreal gospel chant, one
that hilariously turns out to be coming from Woody. Block's
frustration grows is what he refuses to shut up, provoking
him with mockery and gospel RIfS. Meanwhile, Quantum wakes to
a goat on his chest and what he riffing on
villain cliches. They all while they remain imprisoned their allies

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Tempest and Citadel, and say allied definitely Tempest, I don't
know about Citadel.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
He's gotta deal with that guy from the Goat most
this is that scene from the Goat one shot.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Right, Yeah, Citadel arrived trying to get them out of
there when he confronts mister Locke that things escalate into
a chaotic firefight, and it's revealed they're now dealing with
a far more powerful figure. As Quantum and Woody attempt
to escape, Warlock proves relentless, hunting them through a deadly
training facility. They engage in a desperate battle, using their

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powers to seemingly destroy him in a brilliant energy blast,
but it doesn't stick. Warlock of reforms more monstrous than before,
facing the duo into one last gambit, a cataclysmic energy
surge that devastates the facility. The issue ends with the
base obliterated in a mushroom cloud and a chilling tease.
If next issue comes out, I means someone and the

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strange epilog, Warlock is somehow still alive, wandering through the wreckage,
obsessively muttering about ducks and destruction while Quantum and Woody
buried him, debribe but alive exchange absurd banner about their condition,
power bands and each other's sanity. Sixteen begins in the
aftermath of the explosion, with Quantum and Woody once again trapped,
this time suspended above a vat of toxic sludge, while

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the increasingly unstable Warlock mutters kill him like a broken record.
As Eric silently tries to work a solution, Woody panics,
cracking jokes and with that thinly veil genuine fear. The
tension breaks when Eric begins praying and what he desperately
lights a fire. What follows is another spectacular explosion, launching
them skyward in a pod that crash lands on a

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snowy mountain side. The wreckage flings them off a cliff,
and Eric barely manages to catch Woody's hand before he
falls to his death. As Eric clings to the edge,
a flashback to their childhood at a pool overlays the
current danger, revealing deep seated fear and friendship and call
dominating and Eric summoning the strength and Woody to safety.
But their ordeal isn't over. Helicopters attack, separating the two

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what he barely escapes, only to run into a trap
until Warlock returns, out of control, destroying everything. What he
flees on him sled but giltalls at him just as
he questions if he abandoned Eric. He crashes right into
his furious partner. Eric accuses what he of self centeredness
and what he encounters with emotional honesty, confessing everything he's
done has been for Eric. Despite the shouting, there's resolution

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in the cold silence that follows. The tension breaks with
the soft click of their control bands, still deactivated, a
silent agreement that through all the insults and trauma, they
no longer need to be in each other's company. Without
another word, the two rocket away from each other across
the snowy landscape, small figures against the vast empty aftermath
of their explosive misadventure, and finally an issue seventeen. We

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have a chaotic and explosive close to this story, both
liter and thematically. It opens with the villainous Terrence Magnum
seated in a hover chair atop of snowy peak, celebrating
his victory. Despite being physically broken, Magnum feels more alive
than ever, his boredom replaced by a renewed lust for
purpose thanks to the havoc Quantum and wood he brought

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into his life. Now he sets a site on a
grander goal, economic domination, using the Quantum bands. But down below,
Eric is barely surviving in the wilderness, fending off wolves
with raw grit, Reflecting on the trials that have shaped him,
his heart condition, his stubbornness, and the estranged bond with Woody,
Eric's defiance is tested again when Warlock, once presumed dead

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we didn't know where he went, reemerges his body.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I call him WARLOCKI there's an E at the end,
because otherwise that might be cotyr infringement. I like it.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Still bound by a loyalty to Magnum, Warlocky engages Eric
in a tense standoff, but their classes interrupted when Magnum's
own troops attack, revealing he's discarded Warlock like a faulty prototype.
Woody finally reappears in the classic last second fashion, punching
Warlock out cold with a quip and a grin the goat.

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Vincent teleports them back home, where a arrested, well fed
Woody admits he's been home for quite a while.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Eric has stuck up there for three days. Woody was
teleported away after an hour.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
After an hour, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
He watched the TV.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
He ate he showered at himself with time. The pair squabble,
but it's clear their emotional wounds are still raw. As
a duo regroups with allies like tempests an agent, Oh
my goodness, I can't remember the other girl the aka Holly.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yes, Warren's ex girlfriend and yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
As a duo regroups with their allies, they discover Magnum's
true end game hidden in a replica of their father's lab.
The villain learned them there to steal their powers and
trigger the God Machine, a force meant to rewrite reality
through the fusion of their bands. Magnum gloats, gas floods
the chamber and a trap is sprung, but Eric had
set his own trap, turning Magnum's own tech against him.

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As Magnum begins to transform, Drunk on power, his body
can't handle the overload. The system collapses in a cascade
of sparks and energy, ending Magnum's ambitions and a spectacular
meltdown when the control with the control bans now free,
the two heroes argue amid the rubble Wood. He demands
an apology and ice cream, but the final moment comes

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with an unexpected twist. A phone rings, what he picks up,
makes a joke, and then goes pale. When Eric asks
what's wrong what he drops the bomb We've been canceled
and a brilliant bit of meta commentary. The final page
mocks the very idea of a next issue, telling readers
it's over and to spend their money on a Batman

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title instead, And just like that Quantum and Wood. He
ends not with the birth of God's but with two
dysfunctional heroes standing into breeze cracking jokes and facing editorial Oflvian.
So there we go. My goodness, I need to take
a drink.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
A lot of stuff happens in those fours, A lot.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Of stuff doesn't. Like I said, we start this thing
out mainly focused on watching Woody. He's got searching for
a Magnum and he's going to hurt him.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well. The thing is, it's kind of scary with Woody
because it's not like wood He's doing this like normal.
The only time he just starts screaming and yelling like
a lunatic to kill people is when he's actually trying
to trick Eric to get him to leave him alone
so he can go after Magnum himself. He actually is like, no,
he is very It's scary that he's very lucid of
what he's doing. He's like, this is my fault. I

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have this kids in my death, my conscience. I rather
have the guy who killed him his death on my conscience.
So I want to kill him. I don't want rubber bullets.
I want to kill his people, and I want to
kill him. I understand what I'm saying. It's one thing.
If he goes into like Wolverine berzerker age doesn't realize
what he's doing. Stick and the snick. It's another thing
to say, no, I'm going to murder that person. Yeah,

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and I understand to cause everything balls that, but I
don't care. I will murder them.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, they're going to pay for what they had done.
Oh man. It definitely is like I said before, what
you switch has been flipped and we're past that. Now
he has been hurt and he wants to make sure
that somebody answers for what happened to Taylor. All right,
running down my notes, we went through four issues here.
I love how we open things up with a little
bit of flashback. Every Quantum and Woody issue breaks things down,

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flashes back, and has those little titles at the top
of what we're about to get into. The first one
is Retread City, which is funny because we go back
and get a nice little flashback to what's happened. I
love this book's self aware style.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
And this flashback is important right because it tells us
why wood he knows that that one guy later on
who is in disguise is Magnum. It's what he says
there when they flashback to when they first called him.
Magndum says every man must know his limitations. Therefore they
break into his place, and there's a one tech guy
who's like, I'm not the fighting guy. Every guy's got

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no his limitations. But he's like, oh, that's you. I'm
gonna come back and kill you once I got Eric.
Once I find something to keep Eric busy, I'm coming back.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Right, dude. That's one of my notes here. You watch him,
he basically flips and almost kills this guy if it
wasn't for the fact that he passes out or something happened. Yeah,
he he is in the middle of pummeling him, and
there's one panel where you see Magnum's face and it
looks like it's barely put together. He is just hammering

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the crap out of him.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, that's why he's in that chair. It's not that
he's you know, I'm rich and I can have a
hover chair. It's because I can't walk.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Probably he can. He got that messed up. But Yeah,
the other note that I had here, we've already been
talking about Wood. He just being consumed with regret with
what happened to Taylor is what drives a lot of this.
Watching him manipulate Quantum number one was kind of funny,
but number two it was kind of like, oh geez,
he doesn't even want the good angel bad angel thing

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to talk him out of this. He knows Quantum what
hawk him out of it, so he tricks him into
facing this one guy and then takes off. Just like
you were talking about earlier, he's off to satisfy his
own agenda.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
He just starts screaming, killed them and kill them all.
Quantum shoves them away and shuts the doors, that you're
too emotional, and he just starts going, kill the god.
You're so easy, not that he's.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
As a reader, you're like, oh, man, here he goes,
he's gone insane, and then you realize, no, he did
that on purpose, just to get Quantum off of his.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Back because he realized who that guy was. He's like,
I gotta go back and deal with him. So you
stay busy with this costume fool.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, beats the crap out of Magnum.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Those two pages are vicious. The way they put Magnum's
face in like like that one top panel where their
faces are mostly silhouetted, mostly in dark, and you can
see Magnum's mouth and it does not have all the teeth.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
They're gone, right, So okay, that's kind of where that
issue ends. I think what he passes out and is
at Warlock. I assume Warlock's the one dragging both us
into that room.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Because it looks like his costume except with a hood
on to Nazi's face.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, okay, we have a you know, I was kind
of following in the omnibus. I believe that's where you
were kind of getting those extra stories.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Like little extra bits that they didn't have in the
original issues.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Right, So after the end of that issue, we have
something called Jaba and the Wet Thong.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yes tea Woody's philosophy of white life nippleedge is the
only reality of life. All else is illusion.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I really wanted to take a look at this and
try to understand what exactly was going on. I mean,
I understand that there's just one moment. Okay, So what
he's being is goofy self coming up with this philosophy
of life, talking about spandex is that one little veil
between the Promised Land and from actually seeing a body part.
But there's a moment where Eric goes off and this

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is Younger, Just like you said, Younger, Eric walks off
and he looks at his hands. A lot of what
we discussed with this book has been kind of you know,
we have Eric suffering a lot of not so much
this this latter part, this third volume, but previously there

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was a lot of racism.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I mean it's silent, but I mean considering who the creator.
Both creators are African American, or at least for empty
Bright was since he's sadly passed away. And the fact
is Priest is a smart writer and he knows how
to put this stuff in there, so you know it's intentional.
So there's an intent in there. You just got to
kind of fear. And this one, it's a little harder

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to figure out because we don't get there's no captions,
there's no word bubbles, there's no thought bubbles. It's almost
like Eric's looking at himself and looking at everyone else
around him in here where they live in Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Right, and being like.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Looking at all the white people and then looking at himself. Yeah,
he was like looking at like he's walld over something.
He's the one that stands out from everyone else.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I think the hardest part for me was I was
trying to relate it back to what what he was
saying and what he was just relaying all this kind
of goofy stuff. But I think the core of what
he was trying to get across with something along the
lines of there's something deeper out there. Maybe that's what's
going through eric'sada is like, you know, skin color doesn't matter,
it does it shouldn't you know? I had no idea. Again,
this was one of the cut pages that didn't make

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it into the actual issue itself, but it got printed
in the Optimus, so I thought that was interesting just
for what was it two pages? Something that stuck out
to me. I wonder what he's trying to say here.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, I also wonder considering how much Woody babbles on
about nippleage and women and also slightly homophobic things. Now
there's someone like me writing this, it would just be
very surface. But from them like Priest, I'm wondering if
there's a little bit of repressed bisexuality and Woody that
is coming out this way, because it kind of does
read that way, and with someone like Priest that would

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be intentional. Yes, the man knows how to do that crap,
so he does. I was wondering if that's what that
all is.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I will I can't remember which issue this is where
they are having a conversation with the reader talking about
what is funny and what is not funny, Like they
have a blackboard there that kind of breaks down what
is funny and what's not funny. I want to share
my screen.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I don't remember that one in this volume.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
So this is an ad for their first trade, like
that Giffs Justice League's right, it is, yes, and we
got Giffin's Justice League. We've got the goat, which that's funny.
I didn't realize until I did the research that the
goat wasn't something they were planning on keep it around,

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and it was all like fan, you know fan, I
had a lot of fans. People were like, we want
to we want to see the goat. So they made
it a thing, which is awesome.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
As much as the nineties became more extreme in hardcore,
people are so like, ooh, super pets, right.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Rights, We've got grow. So this is under Funny Grew.
And then we have Quantum and Woody number four, which
is probably the most infamous issue of this series.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
That's the nookie issue.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yep, yep, payers Magnus Oh.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Tom Peyars Magnus, probably because Tom Pere was the writer
of Magnus Robot Fighter during the Second Carnation of Valiant,
which I haven't read but I probably should at some
Pointcsuse I do like Tom Pears writing for the most part.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Okay, then we have power Man and Iron Fist, which
we know that these guys have a little bit of history.
But then we have the trouble Makers, which I think
we met last our last.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Year items like the Kids was like the Kid Team
or something.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Now on the not funny side, hot takes here we go,
I guess Morrison's Justice League, which, yeah, that is pretty serious.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Funny, I mean does it not funny does not mean bad,
It just means not funny.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Right Lockjaw like we're just going to say, what the
inhuman dolls?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
I mean, he's not funny, he's cute.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, I guess when we're looking at a comparison here
we have the Goat or Lockjaw, which one was funnier?

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, be fair, I think Lockjaw's pretty funny. You have
this giant bulldog that's kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
So, but we should probably pay attention to what's over here.
On the funny list, because the next one is Peter David,
though he looks like grew. So then we have Quantum
Woody number five, which I don't remember what happened in
Quantumn Woody number five, and it says, all right, we
admit it. I don't know if there was something that
wasn't funny that happened there. I have no idea, can't remember. Yeah,

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so ninety bucks for twelve new can KC pages. Okay, well, yeah,
I guess that's not funny. It must be pretty expensive.
So we had payers Magnets over here on the funny side,
and on the not funny side, we had v H
one Magnus the guy in the.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Skirt Dalliant Heroes one, the first incarnation of the Valiant universe.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, and he was not funny, very early nineties okay, yes,
and then not funny compared to power Man in Iron Fists.
Heroes for Hire is apparently not funny all right then?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
And oh, they could be the nineties revival of the
Heroes for High title which lasted like nineteen issues and
had power Man in nine fifth. And I think i'd
have the Hercules and the original human Torch, a new
white Tiger and a few other characters.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
We covered that on Unspoken Issues a few episodes back.
At the end of issue one, I think Iron Fist
goes to talk to power Man and be like, come on, man,
we need your help, and he's like nah. Finally, on
the not funny side, we have Speedball compared to the
Trump Makers.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
I can't talk about the Speedball ongoing, but Speeball was amusing.
I thought it Knew Warriors. Oh yeah, all right, Funny
is always subjective.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Apparently just an ad for kiss your ass goodbye, buy it,
get your lettuce out of your donkey? All right? Then,
way under ninety bucks and not one painting of Alex
Ross's dad. That's actually pretty meta.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Wait wait, wait, go back to what that said. Ninety
bucks for what it.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Says, way under ninety bucks and not one paint, no, no,
no on the list of the not funny, Well, ninety
bucks for what looks to be twelve new KC pages.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Okay, I'm gonna guess based on the thing they said
about Alec Cross's dad, there must have been some kind
of Kingdom come probably new collection, And I remember there
being like a in like one of the collections. There
was like a like a like a extra pages, like
an extra version. I think it's Superman going to see
the New Gods or something, some characters that originally weren't

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in the original mini series. Probably it was like ninety
dollars for this hardcover. He's like, yeah, ninety bucks to
get an additional twelve pages.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
That's amazing. Well, that's my guess what that is. That's
probably a good guess in my opinion. Well, there you go.
So that didn't affect the issue in any way.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
That was that was fun to see it. I'm like
to show me that.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's awesome. That's awesome. All right now as we proceed,
let me zoom back out. Okay, I mean we already
talked about the singing, so I'm not going to talk
about that. We talked about the crossover with the Goat,
which was awesome to kind of see that happen. Happens
almost exactly, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Goat one shot.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
I do like the fact that the singing, though wood
he actually uses his brain here, if you know right.
I mean, he's using it to be a dick, but
he's using it like I'm going to kill you. He's like,
you know, if you don't stop thing he's like, no,
you're not. You would have killed me already. Meet me alive, obviously,
So no sting a chorus with me and I will
shut up. And then obviously Lock is too self important

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to do with that. Next thing you see is him
in his bed with pillows over his head, trying to
ignore the singing because he would have shut up probably
if he sang with him.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
But he didn't, No, he did not. What he and
his gay supervillains, he just goes on and on about
how super villains are gay, and there's the one thing,
I am supervillain.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Oh, it's like, I can't believe we have a supervillain.
What the hell's wrong with this world?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Citadel and Citidel leaves. He's like, see that guy, that
guy's gay. I mean it was just like, dude, again, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Too but it's a little too much. There enough hiding Woody.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Just relax Warlocks strange power set like I did. I
just couldn't understand what in the world like he seemed
like he turned into goop.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
And then I think he's similar to them, except he's
a little bit more controlled, which is why he can
change his body to almost be at times be not human,
and that's how he goes through those pipes.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Okay, after the explosion, it's almost like Quantum points it out.
He's lost his control over that because he's holding a chain,
and every once in a while, as he's muttering, he
just disappears and the chain lowers a little bit and
he comes back. I don't know if that's on purpose
or if he just cannot come using it all. Right,
that was kind of what I was thinking too. Canned

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crash spray makes a return. Oh yeah, it's just quickly mentioned.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
In that last issue when they go into Magnus's basin
lab in Paris.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Right, they go into the lab and set up exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Like their dad's lab, including with the music, even the
same CDs.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Right, he talks about and what he says, you know
where we learned about canned crash pray, which is apparently
a way that you can, Like CDs can't carry that,
but I think albums can. I think it's what they
were trying to say.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It was like a digital the symbols where it sounds
very even as opposed to a live symbol. You can
hear it means the symbols are also very easy and
even completely like the way the whole sound goes.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Must have been a very important conversation that Priest had
with somebody about that for that joke to make it
back into the later issues, which is fine with I
learned something from this.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, I've never knew what that was, and Diane too.
I looked it up and like, ah, that's what that is.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
And then I wrote down the God Machine, which was
I mean, it was for what we got here. Clearly,
Magnum's big plan here is to gather get this massive
power quantum and what he weren't meant to share this power.
It was all supposed to be for one person, right.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Which is kind of like what happened with Warrant. That's
why he can fly out and go hang out on
the moon, just hanging out in the moon, and that
that was a whole purpose. That's why Magnets does. Magnum
didn't care that he was, you know, beaten half to death.
He's playing on getting god like power. What do I
care if I get?

Speaker 1 (27:57):
You know, it is worth it, right, And then we
get our final part of this book, which feels like
it comes out of the blue. They're canceled just like
you said. It's a good spot to end it. But
if you were picking this up, that would have been
a hit.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
And it's not priests fault, it's all Valiant's fault. They
shut everything down.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, this is a situation where the publisher shut everything
down at that point, I believe.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
So that's what it said.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
As a reader, you're sitting there, this is a good book.
This is a fun book. It's funny, and it's not
too often that you pick up a comic book and
it makes you laugh while you're enjoying the action along
with it. But to havebit be canceled like that, that's rough.
That's really tough.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
I'm forgetting exactly where I saw it, but I'm looking
on Preest's old website and for when this is him
talking about it when he gets canceled the final time,
and he said when he gets cut canceled again with
issue twenty one, he says, then something odd happened. Acclaim
went away again.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
So that to me says, if they went away again,
that means they went away the first time. I remember
that kind of happening because I was reading this and
maybe one or two other titles from them. They had
some issues and had to go away for a while,
and then they came back and oh, we have new
money and everything's good. We're ready for the next We're
good for a year, and then five months later everything
went away, including they were doing a big mini series

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called Unity two thousand, two thousand, right, which was like
a sort of sequel to the original Unity crossover in
the Original Valiant and was actually going to have some
characters from the original Unity from the Original Valiant and
the New Valiant. They had Jim Shooter come back to
write it. Then it ended can't cancel Ofisuy three because
the entire line just went away.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
I'll read to you what I had here. We've been canceled.
Quantum and what His's initial run came to an abrupt
end with issue seventeen, dated in October of ninety eight.
The cancelation was not due to any creative shortfall. It
was largely about sales in the market. By issue seventeen,
Quantum and what he was selling in the load of
mid range for an indie book. Despite rave reviews and
a devoted fan base that had achieved the sales buzz
needed to satisfy acclaims. Business side priests had been hopeful

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for that critical Acclaim would translate in strong numbers, but
the reality was a book covering below the profitability threshold
and a shrinking market. Internally, Acclaim also started cutting back.
Nineteen ninety eight saw the company reevaluateds comics line. The
industry downturn continued. Yeah, this is not a fun year
at all for comic books, especially in the late nineties.

(30:18):
Quantuman Woody was another limited child of the nineteen nineties,
beloved by its readers but victim to the era's market contraction. So, okay,
I'm want to step back here out because I pretty
much got all my notes out of the way here
at about the four that we talked about. Was there
anything I left off?

Speaker 3 (30:35):
No, I was checking some stuff, I know, like several
of the other books were canceled around the same time.
Ninjackalie maded twelve issues. Troublemakers only made it til nineteen.
I think Magnezily made seventeen or eighteen. A lot of
the books got canceled around this time, and then they
brought them back briefly. I don't remember. There'd be much
more I had to say, I mean, except for the
fact that, like Yeah, wood he did leave Eric up

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there for three days. But to be fair, he did
say I was trying to find you, but the goat
found me. I didn't know where you were. He doesn't.
You can't really make a goat go whor doesn't want twos,
Like maybe if you fed him sometimes he would want
to look for you. He's like, I got them to
help try and find you. That's how we found you eventually,
Like you know, I got timpest in you know, Holly, Yeah,
just what was I gonna do just sitting what He's

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not the guy kind of guy to sit there and
be panicked. He's like, all right, they're working on it,
but there's nothing I can do. I'm gonna go take
a shower and watch them de space.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Nine to watch these two really have it out. As
far as the cancelation happening, these two are kind of
coming back together and facing Magnum at the end of
this Quantum getting one over on Magnum and Magnum, you know,
getting burnt up by this power. But there's nothing resolved

(31:45):
between these two. There's still all this baggage that both
these guys are carrying, and you, as a reader, wanted
to see them work through it or you know, get
past at something and it just kind of doesn't happen.
And I think that's probably one of the it's probably
one of the biggest regrets that I would have had.

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You know, we watched these two guys, we followed them
for this long of a time, and.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
And now finally get wood He we're telling him, like,
you know, I thought that we'd done being superheroes quote
unquote in a week like this was just to help
you get through crap because your parents dropped you over
your head too much and screwed up my best friend.
I was trying to give you something for a little
bit and hopefully, you know, you do something, go to
something else more healthy later on.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I didn't realize that that was going to actually be
almost something that comes back later.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Oh God, I forgot about some of the stuff in
those last few issues. Their fits are completely messed up.
I mean, the first part of the series, you kind
of think Eric has this much better life, and financially
he does for the most part growing up as opposed
to Woody. But they had four horrible.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Parents, right right. Yeah. I have a couple of things
on that that's crazy stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
We get to that party but yeah, all four of
their parents are just one degree after another of crappy.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Right, Yeah, it's amazing. I mean, as a childhood trauma,
you either deal with it, which a lot of people
find ways to deal with it, but it can mess
you up. And it wouldn't surprise me the way we
get a small glimpse into the backstory of their parents
that they are the way they are. So yeah, all right,

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let's get into issue thirty two.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Everyone's like, wait, what seventeen and thirty two?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah? Issue thirty two, according to Mike's Amazing World of Comics,
drops September of nineteen ninety nine stories titled The Mirror
has Four Faces. Our creative team, we have Christopher Priest
in deep bright on pencils ink by Greg Adams, colored
by Windy Fouts Broom. So okay, we're jumping to issue

(33:53):
thirty two. The first thing that goes through my head
if I was collecting this, I would have been like,
did I miss something? Most likely I didn't. Also, being
a big image fan, I remember Images of Tomorrow. That
was something where they went ahead like a year. I
think it was a year's worth of publication, like twelve issues.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Jump They jumped out issue twenty five, so.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Those that's kind of what I was thinking about. It's
like we kind of get a glimpse of what's going
to happen.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
What was the plant here, because this is the issue
that would have been out if the book had never
been canceled, it would have gone up to thirty two
that month. So that's the book they put out, and
then the plan was to then jump back and start
releasing eighteen nineteen, et cetera, and get.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Up to thirty.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
That would lead right into thirty two. Fortunately, if they
got canceled again with it after issue twenty one.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
It's a rough, rough period of time for publishers. Valiant
acclaim whatever. I never did understand. I'm sure other people
do better than I do, but I didn't understand their
business model. It's a claim, after all. Their idea is
any place I see acclaim, it's video games.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
They did make video games using this, like an ip farm.
There was a tar Rock game which was huge back then.
A shadow Man had a game like a couple of characters.
I remember reading that one of their games didn't do
very well and cause a company a lot of money.
I guess this was one of the ways they cut
their costs, like canceling the comic line. So the beginning
of issue thirty two has a previously to tell you
what was happening before, because this is a Clipse Part

(35:22):
three or four. Previously, returning from the Moon, Quantum would
he narrowly survived Doctor Clips's onslaught that left them pinned
under the wreckage of their space shuttle. Using their combined
quantum energy and of a little timely chewing from their
intrepid mascot, the hero's escape to pursue Master Dark's evil
Minion through the labyrinthine labyrinth bowels of New York City

(35:44):
in a risky attempt to wear Doctor Clips down by
forcing him the drain his powers to blow nominal levels.
The desperate battles extracted a price on both the heroes
and their arch enemy, who they finally cornered in a
Chelsea alleyway.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
All right, now, one thing, I hear the name Master Dark,
and I'm like, oh, that's a name that rings a
bell for me. I know we had Citadel popping up
here last sight of issues, but regardless, Master Dark is
like when I was reading Valiant, I was in the
earlier part of things. Master Dark was in their shadow

(36:19):
Man all.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
That he was the big bad guy.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
He was one of the big bad guys, so you know,
hearing his name, I'm like, oh, okay, now they're starting
to flirt with other people in the Valiant in universe.
This should be fun. But regardless that one page rundown,
my gosh, I did a lot happen and they had
to kind of get you ready for this. Just like
you said, it's weird being dropped into part three of four.
What the heck is going on?

Speaker 3 (36:41):
And it's like a year twelve or fifteen issues later
than when you started, because we left at seventeen and
hour thirty two and it's like, wait, they have a
space shuttle.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Who's doctor Clipsed?

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Doctor clips which I remember him kind of from the
original Valiant. He was like the evil version of Solar.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Okay, okay, all right, well here we go. The boys
are back, kicking off with a bleakly hilarious metagag. The
issue opens on Vincent the Goat sitting in a cardboard
box under a dusty photo of the absent heroes, which,
by the way, I think this might have been the preview.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
A preview ad from Diamond To said which is basically
them getting harassing phone calls from creditors and other common
companies telling them to go to hell, until they finally
got a call back saying, hey, the books be renewed.
You're a kiddie. How about living in a Maytag box? Right?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Nope, they were not okay. So, as our story starts
in thirty two, Quantum has a sidekick, a young black
girl with energy and confidence and skills to match, also
going by the name of Woody. They've barely survived a
moon mission and are now battling Doctor Eclipse in New
York's underworld. With battered bodies and fading stamina, they corner

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their foe and a sewer at Jason Alley for one
last face off. Eclipse escapes again. Meanwhile, Doctor Eclipse, revealed
to be the original Woody, now fully corrupted in some way,
I guess you would say, an absurd villain, has comeback,
complete with guitar solos and an explosive argument.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
With Amy his wife Amy, Their.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Relationship, once genuine, has curdled into regret and rage.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
To help when you have a spouse that is made
of like energy, so it doesn't really matter what you
do to them, it's not gonna hurt them. So when
they're anewing you have played their guitar that loud and
that badly, you could just shoot them.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
They go. What Behind the chaos A mysterious Artifact threatens
to rewrite reality itself? We don't really get much of
an explanation as to what this thing is. As a
matter of fact, I think it's called the thing a
couple times. I don't know if we even is there
anything that kind of like shed some light as to

(38:50):
what it was? No, not yet.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
In fact, in priest website he does talk about the changes,
think of some idea of who the new Woody is
and what happened and why and all that, but he
doesn't even say what the mcguffin is. He says he's
not going to say he's holding onto it because at
the time this website was written in two thousand and one,
he was still right hoping maybe they can come back,
because they apparently had up to issue twenty seven done

(39:13):
force Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Behind the chaos of mysterious Artifact threatens to rewrite itself,
rewrite reality itself, forcing Quantum and his allies to gamble
everything on a dangerous plan to sever Eclipse from his power. Explosions,
emotional reckonings, and goat based teleportation ensue. As the final
battle looms, The fate of the universe hangs in the
hands of a man burdened by guilt and a former

(39:35):
hero consumed by madness, the true quantum and woody fashion.
The curtain rises on a showdown that as it's going
to be as ridiculous as it is apocalyptic. All right,
you just got one issue here. We're not going to
be talking about another four part arc because we're jumping
back here in a second. But yeah, here's my notes.
So I'm going through the issue. Is that joke? Can

(39:58):
you Are you going to say that that maybe Joe
Tomorrow behind the desk as the police chief even though
it's do I think that's him?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
That think it's the same shoe. That's what Something has
changed the last we saw, which we'll see him in
like issue eighteen, he's been downgraded to be traffic cup.
I'm a traffic cop, secure across his guard, crossing guard.
Thank you. That's where I was looking for. Yeah, so
something happened. I'm assuming that's him.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
If you want to know some of the changes now
since this is where the changes happened. Go for man, okay,
that is what he's daughter. She's supposed to show up
in like issue twenty six or twenty seven. It was
kind of like, Hi, hey, do you remember whatever her
mom's name was about sixteen years and nine months ago.
Guess what you got a kid? And apparently at the
end of issue twenty one, Eric is gonna get extra powers,

(40:47):
and wood he's convinced that Eric's losing it and he
goes to his He met Turrok at some point and
Turak introduced him the Senter schattle Man, who introduced him
the Master Dark, who's like, I will give you powers
to arrival your friend so you can help him in
exchange for your soul and what he's like that doesn't exist,
so you're basically gonna give to me for nothing. So
they're both trying to save each other because they both

(41:07):
think the other one's wrong, and Woody's playing the villain
while Eric is playing the hero, both trying to save
the other.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
I didn't really get villainous vibes from what he and
throughout the issue was more like he was just like
a thorn and Quantum side, and I didn't completely understand why.
I just knew that these two were going to go
at it. And each time they get in front of
each other, they're going to start punching each other.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
See if you saw that splash page, the goat is flying.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yes, the goat is flying. I remember that man Quantum
willed it.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
And it may or may not be the original Vincent.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Oh okay, so we might have a different goat the boy.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
So according to Priest's website, here, the boys have a
big aerial fight which causes a jetliner to crash into
the East River, nearly destroying their headquarters in the process
and seriously injuring Vincent van Goat. This was the lead
to a big stunt one nine hundred Goat live or
what gilt die?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
The proceeds would have gone to Humane Society and the
readers would decide Vincent's ultimate fate. Thus, the goat who
appears at issue thirty two may be Vincent or may
not be Vincent.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Nice to know that at least they got a replacement goat.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Quantum is also you know, it's a little bloated. It's
the energy, it's the guilt. It's the guilt and the
energy because of his energy powers is kind of manifesting
as bloating. He's getting pay wow. And this whole thing
was going to tie in with the missing issues. Quantum
now superpowered, becoming less and less human with each passing
hour Wood he ends up heating if one half of
soular Reuben Tourok, and eventually Tempest as they go up

(42:40):
against Toyot Horada in an effort to thwart Horadu's attempts
to use Quantum of his own purposes, which we will
see in eighteen to twenty one. A lot of this
tied into the Unity two thousand, while Unity two thousand
frigidly ignored us and resisted any logical attempts to tie
into us, which included a sarcastic and hostile email from
the Unity two thousand writer, who may or may not

(43:01):
be under some delusion that he's still clout in this town.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Get them shots in.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I don't think Prieston Shooter liked each other very much.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
No kidding? Wow, Yeah, So I mean, like, well, like
I said, what I was reading this issue, you don't
everything that you just explained. It's not it's definitely not
all on the table there. I didn't pick up that
Quantum had these extra powers at all. That was one
thing that was not completely obvious. Just like you said,

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you can tell he's kind of big, but I thought
the goat was helping them fly for some reason. I
didn't have any idea that Quantum had any powers in
this what he clearly does.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
You really don't realize until, like in that page the story,
you know, the little story title tomorrow where the and
since there's quotes around and that's a commissioner's name'm asuming
it's actually Jo, it's got it. If you go to
that second page after that you see the close up
on Quantum, it doesn't really look like it too much,
but if you're told he's blown did you kind of
can see it now once you realize it. But I

(44:03):
didn't catch it initially. Yeah, maybe this was supposed to
be I don't know, maybe he was down at this point,
or maybe they were gonna make him bigger later, But
it wasn't that obvious to me.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Right right, Okay, I guess we should have realized.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
It when they redo the car gag. Yeah, that was
the next thing where Eric flips does the whole flip
down with the Batmans to get to the car, and
then we have Woody jumping off the roof, flipping down
into the car, waiting for Quantum, who comes down panting
out of breath. He's like elevators at again. He's like, damn,

(44:35):
I left the car keys upstairs.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
She could. I'll go get him. Don't worry you hang
out down here. Yeah that new that doing the car
gag with the new what he was fun.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
I liked that part. That was fun. I like the reversal.
Now wood he's the one doing all this stuff and
Eric Quantum's like, Let'm getting you over this crap.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
And then my last note really for this issue was
tempest in a wheelchair. Barely see it unless you're paying attention.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
She was hurt during the spati little cratch.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah. Yeah, and I've read it twice. In the second times.
When I saw it, I was like, oh, oh, what's
going on here? The neat thing and this is a
tough thing to pull off, I think sometimes, I mean,
it's a pretty unique I don't want to call it
a gag, but I think it's a unique way of
trying to gather interest because the idea was to like, hey,
we're at thirty two, guys, come on over, check this out,

(45:25):
see what you think, and now see how we get there.
I like that. I'm a fan of using your medium
in different ways to try and get some additional readers.
I'm fine with that. But man, when you go through
this issue and start pointing things out, you're like, Wow,
what has changed? I cannot wait to understand what exactly
had changed? Now. What I didn't understand was I didn't
realize that we were going to go back when I

(45:48):
first read this until after reading some of the extra
stuff afterwards. But I didn't realize that their plan was
to go back. I thought they were going to start
with thirty two and then just keep going and not
even go back.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
And I was like, I could I could see him
doing that too.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I could see that too, right right, That's something that
I kind of was like, Oh, man, okay, well they
could do that, I guess. But yeah, that's all I
had for that issue. It's an interesting outlier. I don't
know if you have anything else on your in.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
The only other thing is I'm wondering if because Eric
apparently has some people working for him too, like guys
in armor and I'm wondering there was a team in
the original Valiant and I think they might have been
also in the new series called Armorines.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I remember the Armorines, and.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
I'm wondering if that was supposed to be these guys.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Oh, that'd been cool.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I didn't read enough of this Valiant era to know
who they were, who these guys were, or if they
were completely brand new characters. But that's my guess is
maybe they were the Armorines, right.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I didn't read the Armorines either. I remember them being
a thing. I don't remember what they looked like. I
didn't make the connection, but yeah, I mean I could
see that all right, anything else.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Nope, I think I'm good on that.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
We're about to close up shop. Here. We got eighteen
through twenty one, four issues. Let's see how things take
out here for Quantum and Woody. So from October of
ninety nine to February of two thousand, we have issues eighteen, nineteen,
twenty and twenty one. They get published, and here is
our creative team, and we get a little bit of

(47:14):
a change here. Christopher Priest is writing all the way through. M. D.
Bright does eighteen through twenty on pencils, but then Oscar
Jimenez comes in and does issue twenty one and then
inks Greg Adams from eight for eighteen through twenty. For
issue twenty one, Eduardo Alpuente comes in and finishes up

(47:34):
with the final issue on inks, and then it looks
like all issues have Wendy Foules Broom as colored as colorists.
All right, here is our titles of the issues we have.
Issue eighteen, nineteen and twenty are both titled Heroes, and
issue twenty one is titled Rebirth, which is ironic. Right,
We're going to come back to you mentioned him earlier.

(47:56):
David Warrence is going to be a big part of
this storyline.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
He used to work for their dad, and he was
there when they got their powers, but vanished. Eric thought
he was trying to kill them, He says, no, I
was trying to get you out of there. All three
of them got power, but he got it all himself. Well,
the two of them, quantum would he split it? That's right,
that's right, which is why he's able to Well see
him here, he's hanging out watching TV on the moon
because he can.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah, I think our introduction to him here in these issues.
He's asleep and some people have showed up. Are these
the members of the Isy Sanders group?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
I think so. It's a little vague, but I think
they're part of his group.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
All right, well, let me get into the synopsis here
and we'll get into our notes. Sit back and relax,
it' said a little long. Here we Go. Issue eighteen
of Quantum picks up with the signature mix of absurdity
and existential dread. The boys are holed up contemplating their cancelation,
literally what they're Quantum Band's gone, the partnership fractured, and

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the narrative itself collapsing. It seems like the end, That is,
until a surprise phone called declares, We're bringing your book back.
The promise of resurrection dangling before them. Woody, naked and
inexplicably holding a flashlight, leads Eric through a mysterious, painful
gateway back into action. So here we go. What follows
as a chaotic roller coaster ambushes from the elite French

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swat teams, rooftop brawls, tactical retreats with no powers, and
plenty of banter, especially as what he discovers that Eric
upgraded his gear while he slept as bullets fly and
plans fall apart. The two crash through windows, dodge lasers,
and plunged deeper into trouble, only to be captured and
thrown into prison, while Eric broods over their bleak future

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what he places his faith in their dimension hopping goat vincent. Meanwhile,
on the Moon, a new cosmic player named Warrant engages
in cryptic games and power moves, joined by the mysterious
Lycender in attention laden descent into the hidden facility known
as Luna Watch. Back on Earth, the duo debates heroes, villains,

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and whether Warrant can be trusted. This is the point
where Woody starts yelling Warrant. David yelling for Warrant to
come and rescue him, until salvation arrives in the most
shocking form. Nicole Aston Gray, Eric's mother posts their bail
and drops a bombshell with her very presence. Her reintroduction

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throws both men off balance, Eric emotionally, Woody hormonally. It's
a cliffhanger loaded with promise. As the boys emerge, batter
to bailed out and very much not in control of
the story that's now charging towards something far stranger than
mere super heroics. The next issue opens with the flashback
disguise as a melodramatic soap opera. A young Eric and

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Woody play Cowboy and Devil, which makes sense while their mothers,
Nicole and Lucy argue. Nicole's cold pragmatism clashes with Lucy's
emotional turmoil, and the aftermath leads to a devastating crash
that marks Eric for life, and the Eric finally confronts Nicole,

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only to find her as cold and calculating as ever. Meanwhile,
the Flamboyant lies in their introduces warrant to a surreal
Lure sanctuary, revealing the remnants of the Forever Family, ravaged
by a mysterious plague that even time warping science can't cure.
So the Forever Family, and I noticed there was the
Eternal Warriors, where that name was thrown around a little

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bit too. They're related or they are the same, they.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Were related, So the only thing I got from the
context they didn't really have an ongoing series. They had
like a couple one shots, so I'm guessing most of
the mean and paternal word characters are dead. Now.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
It looks like, yeah, I remember what I was just
gonna say Ivar. They mentioned Ivar, which I think was
Ivar the time.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Walker Valiant, right, And all I can see is that
apparently it was not just a few of them like
it was in the original Valiant. There was a whole
group of them, and apparently most of them are now dead. Yeah,
because of toyot Herada. Like I said, this was the
stuff he was going to be doing, that was going
to lead towards the Unity two thousand stuff. Toy Orrada
was like the big It's like, you know, he was
the big bag guy, one of the big bad guys

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of Valiant, because he was the big bag guy from
the original original.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Harbringer r back on Earth what he tries to symbolically
destroy his superhero past, but the universe, or perhaps Eric's
practical foresight won't let him. His fireproof costume refuses to burn.
His melodramatic gesture undercut by sprinklers and smoaning sarcasm. Meanwhile,
Tempest reflects on identity in one of Eric's old suits.

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What he now unlinked from Eric bursts in with Pizza
and Bravado declaring independence. The narrative Ricochet is from absurdity
to political maneuvering as Nicole and Toyot Harada spar over
stolen tech and Eric's true role in their global games.
Harada leaves a cryptic warning about a world ending threat.
Only Quantum energy can stop, energy that Eric no longer possesses.

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As the issue ends, Eric is left in the dust,
powerless but perhaps not irrelevant. The storm is and Quantum
and Whatdy? Number twenty. The story kicks off with Quantum
crashing through a window in dramatic superhero fashion, confronting a
room full of armed police. Though he initially urges calm,
his actions escalate quickly when he summons a mysterious energy
weapon which I think is like Bolo or whatever it was,

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and launches it at the officers, causing a fiery explosion.
In the aftermath, Inspector LeVar proposes a deal. He'll provide
the control bands that Quantum seeks, but only if Quantum
agrees to a favor. Meanwhile, the media celebrates Quantum's exploits.
This I think is the favor I believe. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
He rescues some people from a building, though head terrorists
are gonna blow it up, right if they see cops
are gonna blow it up? Anyway, so you know, either
it's gonna blow up or this guy stops it, and yeah,
he saves them.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
This is I don't think I put this in my notes.
I'm better bring it up right now. Okay. So he
makes the save and everybody loves him. Everybody loves him.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
He's Jerry Lewis.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
The French love him. But what's interesting is that we
talked a lot about this in our previous volumes. I
think this was in issue thirty two as well. But
Eric has always had this thing about being taken seriously,
especially as a hero. Now he's in Paris and he
finally feels like he's able to be a successful hero

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and people love him as a hero. So that's the
idea I got here. He made this save and finally
people love him and he's happy with that. Back in
his beaver costume, I think it was a beaver costume
that what he had, I can't remember. He was like
a mascot.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
He was working as like security guard for this toy story.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
This interaction was hilarious because clearly the woman I don't
know if that was Amy. When what he's laying in
bed and he has the costume on, he's laying in
bed watching these news broadcasts of Quantum success for being
a hero. He just basically consumes him. I believe there
was some intent to have some fur reaction here that

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I'm just saying that. I thin that might be why
he's in the costume. That's possible, that is a possibility.
But anyway, back in his beaver costume, what he lounges
in bed, lamenting the current state of their fractured partnership
and mocking Quantum's new team hero direction. Things take a
surreal turn when Whatdy stumbles across a comic book, Dark Kitty,

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that inexplicably features a character resembling himself. The comic recounts
a wild, absurd battle involving a monstrous, bi agrimutated villain
called the Improbable Unwieldy Mass. What He's mix of amusement
and existential reflection gives way to renewed motivation not to
become the hero. Quantum, meanwhile, reconnects with Toyo Herada on

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a Dallas rooftop. Herada outlines the looming global threat and
explains the nature of the quantum field energy that once
powered Quantum and his allies. The key to saving the planet.
Heroda claims lies in regaining that power, and the only
way to do that is for David Warrant to die.
I mean, he's just hanging out on the moon. On
the Moon, Warren himself is in the midst of trying

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to save Licener's people from the deadly virus. The cure
is nearly within reach, but it requires a final, risky
contribution of Warrant's nuclear based power, his literal spark of life.
As the issue closes, moral dilemmas abound. Quantum is being
manipulated into seeing death as the path to salvation, while

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Warrant is poised to sacrifice a little bit of himself
to heal others. What do you comic book in hand
and lawsuit on his mind might be the only one
grounded in reality, however ridiculous that reality might be. And
then we get into Quantum and Woody Number twenty one.
The story opens with high stakes cosmic drama as Warrant
uses his quantum energy to try and cure the plague

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decimating Licender's people. With flaming energy coursing through him. In
the fate of a species in his hands, Warrant performs
a desperate act of molecular reconfiguration science so advanced that
teeters on godlike. Meanwhile, is lured by Toyo Harada into
confronting his past, with Herada revealing the original isolation isolation
chamber that gave him and Woody their powers. Harada attempts

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Quantum with the opportunity to regain his abilities, though this
time without reconnecting with Woody. The promise of god like
power and the fear of Warrant being a soul wielder
eats at Eric. Back on earth Wood he marches into
Marble Comics, demanding answers over the suspicious similarities between his
life and their dark Kitty comic. Chaos breaks out in

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the offices as staff scramble to manage the pr nightmare
of a real life superhero threatening litigation. Woody meets Ruben,
an unsuspecting editor suddenly promoted, and hilariously threatens him half
befriends him. The side plot satirizes the comic industry. Yes,
we know that for sure, as the lure.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
We'll get to that when.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
As the lunar experiment pushes Warrant to the brink of transcendence,
quant Him is prepped for re entry into the quantum
field via the Isolation Chamber, but all is not well. Sydney,
now revealed as half of Solar, recruits Woody and Ruben
for a daring rescue. As Herada's plan spirals out of control,
Explosions rock the facility and the power shared by Quantum

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and Warrant becomes dangerously unstable. They arrived just as reality
starts to fray and the stakes climb toward literal armageddon.
The final page is Quantum emerges reborn, glowing with immense power.
Herada smugly declares he saved everyone, but no one believes him.
In a moment of frustration and poor aim wood he

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fires a shot at Quantum and Missus and apparently believes
he's hit the moon.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
But that's just the whole war and stuff going on
it right, you pull up the moon.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
It took me two reads to be like, did he
actually hit the moon and blow it up? What kind
of weapon is this? And I'm like, oh wait, that
was going on as well. The resulting planetary scale explosion
shocks everyone into silence. The issue closes on the jaw
dropping spectacle, a moment that simultaneously symbolizes the absurdity, ambition,
and chaotic brilliance of the entire series. It's both the

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climax and unintentional apocalypse, with what he's trigger finger quite
possibly ending the world as they knew it. I'm gonna
step back and let you go first after this. So
what are your notes there? What do you got, what
do you want to say?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
All right, I'm just shooting back to the first part
to get to it. The first part is re establishing everything.
You know that first issue. You know, Quantum Woody are
trapped in Paris with no powers, end up getting arrested.
We see were Warren's hanging out. I love the part
before and he's just napping in his chair.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
He's just laying there, and then they can't communicate or
in space. It's not going to work, but he uses
the TV to be like.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Points to the TV, says, don't make me kill you,
and then he goes back to laying down, closing his
eyes like look, just leave me alone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
There's a lot of discussion in this last bit about
hero and villain for Warrant, which is pretty important because
what we find as he and Li Center are having
this conversation, Li Center, what's it going to be You're
gonna be hero or a villain, and of course Warren's like,
I'm going to try and save your people. I never
got the feeling that Warrant was going to be a villain,

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although there was a lot of times where he's just like,
why do I even have to make a decision. I
don't have to be one or the other. Just leave
me alone, let me sleep on the moon.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Problem is, according to the notes from what they have
in the future, basically all this stuff was going to
basically push him into being a villain because they're doing
so much to him that he has to fight back,
and that makes him now be the villain. By choosing
to do one, he's actually being forced to do the other.
He would have been better off just hanging out watching TV.
So the Dark Kiddy stuff that is the Black Panther.

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The plan was this was supposed to come out at
the same time as Black Panther fifteen and the Dark
Kitty pages included in the issue twenty, where as Priest
says immediately a panel by panel spoof of Black Panther
fifteen and should have helped promote both books. Oh I
claim to not ship there in for six weeks, so

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it was late. So that's screwed up now. That was
helped out by a priest editor at Marvel for Black Panther,
Rubin Diaz, who all right was now actually going to
become a reoccurring cast member.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I love the meta touches that this book has. Priest
uses it to get a joke across, or make it funny,
or make it hilarious, and have this extra touch to it,
which I absolutely adore. I think it's one of the
things that makes this book stand out in my opinion.
So that story right there is great. That's an awesome story.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
And the friendship of Slash rival you know, threat from
Woody to and Ruby, between Ruby and Rubin was great.
It was just kind of like one of those wrong
place for wrong time, You're now part of the superhero stuff,
suck up the deal. That was amusing. I would have
liked to see more of that, but unfortunately, of course
that's it. The other thing I want to talk about
really is the background story, the backup that the flashback

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story of them as kids and reading that because you
realize Eric's mom, because you know, we'd known both their
dads died right before she won that's what starts to series.
We know from the flashbacks, Woody's mom died of a
drug overdose. We never saw anything about Eric's mom. We'd
have no idea what was happening with her. So after

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this accident Eric basically they get divorced and she goes
away and Eric's dad tells them, oh, your mom's dead, right.
She says, I didn't know you were in the car.
It looks like the kids are playing and they're taking
Woody in the car. Maybe she wasn't that good a mother.
This is the early eighties. There really weren't a lot
of kids seats or anything. The time. You just sat

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in the back seat. You were on the floor at
the time. Even was it the safest thing. No, But
it's not like that was a parental neglect thing. That's
just how kind of things were half the times, kids
rather than someone's lap, right. But I mean, so the
fact that and she wasn't the one driving. It was
Woody's mom who was very emotional in driving causey accident.
She said, I didn't know you were in the car.

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The kids were all there playing, and then Woody was
brunt to the car. So did you just forget that
you were supposed to take him. Yeah, there's no way
that works out without her being a bet. Not that great.
You know, I'm not paying attention to her kid, right right,
It makes no sense otherwise. So like, Woody's bad if
we remember, because Woody is like an eleven or twelve
year old, was like, I guess I want to live

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with my mom when the parents got divorced. Punishes him
with like, oh, well, now every year you didn't live
with me until you're eighteen, you have to wait an
extra two years to get your money. So, like, is
the best father Eric's who lied and told him his
mother was dead? Is that the best parent out of
the ball? These two are messed up. They were around

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in skin tight spandex.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Right. You know it's funny. My mama just told me
a story that was about It was a few weeks ago.
She was talking about how first time I went down
to Myrtle Beach with them when I was a kid.
I was like two years old. She said that we
went down in a van and they put the playpen
in the van and just let me hang out in
the playpen all the time. No car seat, no seatbelt,

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I'm just in the van in my platepen as they
drive us down to Myrtle Beach. That's the way it
was back in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
The eighties taking trips. I thought they were long. They
could have been a half hour, but when you're seven,
that's forever. I'd be sitting in the backset of the car.
I would have sit on the floor sometimes because it's
more comfortable, right, Like I said, in the car for like,
what if someone.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Had hit us on the side, they lay down on
the seats, you know, take a nap, go ahead and
do it. Yeah, man, at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
And maybe wonder if this accident was part of the
cause for Eric's heart condition, Like I wonder if you
would be right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Well, the whole point of that flashback is like, okay,
look at kind of what happened here with the number one,
the parent and the mom's what was going on? She
has a four year old and she is not even
twenty one. I don't remember if you remember that reading that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Oh Lucy, yeah, Woody's mom.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
So that means she was pregnant at sixteen. If he's four,
then she ain't even twenty one yet. Then at least sixteen,
which is again messed up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
I'm considering what they were doing and how they were
He could not have been seventeen years old. He had
to be bare minimum twenty five, possibly thirty. Is Eric's
father the best one? The one who lies and says
your mother is dead. I hate to say yes, but
I think that might be the best parent.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
There's a few moments there's still a good bit of
humor in this book. There's a point where I think
the quantum like, either got shot. I think he got shot.
He's okay, but he was talking about he got the
wind knocked out of him. Yes, and he goes it's
just win and Woody goes yes, which confirms everything I've
been saying about you funny stuff. At one point, I

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think they are in the prison and wood he had
as Ah the magazine. Yeah, playboy by the name of
nipple Age.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Yes. How does he get that all of a sudden?

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Good stuff. Eric in his relationship with his mom, we
kind of talked about that already. She has no interest,
and like I think, he tries to call her mom.
At one point, Eric gets upset when she doesn't refer
to him as her son. He's wanting something there and
she's clearly not interested at all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Aparently any of them has left right and you're not dead.
You know, It's not just the bowl in his left.
It's like, oh, one of my deep parents is back
right and you don't care at all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
That's rough. I mean, that's harsh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
What he has to deal with being a citizen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Yeah, what he for all his bs of wanting to
not do this kind of got into it because he
helps Tempest with little sting operation and it is told
he's not allowed to. You know, he's only was allowed
to basically kind of root them out right, but then
he can't be involved in it. And then later on
sees some stuff and wants to get involved but realizes
he doesn't have powers or anything. For all you were
saying to Eric, you kind of got into it, though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I think he recognizes it too. At one point he
says something he goes himself for, like, dang it, I'm
catching it. I'm catching whatever Eric had. He didn't realize
that this was something that he wanted to do at all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
I think the whole dark Kitty thing is actually him
just trying to distract himself, like I need something to
do because otherwise what am I going to do if
I keep wanting to do this stupid you know BS.
I don't want to do the stupid BS, even though
I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Yeah, yeah, he's conflicted just a little bit. What are
you realizing he wants to be a hero.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Oh yeah, I'm on that page now. Oh god, it's him.
He's infected me. I've got eric disease.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I like how we're looking in the pages of Dark
Kitty and we're using the small titles again at the
top of each section, one of which says annoying time jump,
which was pretty funny. I like that, you know, again,
poking fun in itself. Marvel Comics, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
There, the witty characters. Ever, if you remember him from
the Black Panther series, he was in the Black Panther movies.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Oh okay, yeah, I know you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
I forget the name of the actor, but he's the
one who played Watson in the Sherlock series with a
better Bit Cumberbatch. And I'm pretty sure he played Bilbo
Baggins in the Hobbit movies.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Okay, yeah, I know exactly who you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
That's the woody character quote unquote and Dark Kitty. Martin Freeman.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Martin Freeman okay, and actually I remember these issues.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
It's been a while, but I remember the issue fifteen
of Black Panther. I remember having the hulkin there. Yeah.
In fact, going back to the darkie stuff, these are
definite parodies of like the pages. I remember there were
parts of those issues where he's talking to his ex
girlfriend who is his boss, and she's like, why can't
you start a story from the beginning and go to
the end, which is literally right here? You know, Russ,
not Ross, which is kind of funny, Which is kind

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of funny because my wife had on some friends the
other day and actually had the episode with Ross and
Russ if you remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Nice, very nice, But yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Ross, Russ, you do this every time? Can't you just
tell a story from beginning to end without jumping around?
My mom dropped me on my head a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Not a very flattering depiction of Woody there, that's funny.
So I got down here. We meet Ruben, which is
pretty cool. Ruben comes along for the adventure. Sydney gets
him all dressed up and he's in action along with
Woody when they go to attack the facility, which is
pretty cool. Then we have father Son, Holy Goat Unity Trinity,

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which I thought was pretty funny. That was a nee
way of storytelling. Again, I've talked about this on previous episodes.
They're still keeping it up here. When they do this flashback,
it's not as annoying as I think they're hitting themselves with.
But watching these events play out, where Warrant is on
the Moon going through whatever he's going through this, then

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we have Quantum going through what Haradas putting him through,
and we're watching all of that unfold, and that's where
we get father Son, Holy Goat, Unity Triggy what he
blows up the Moon which I had to read twice
because I thought he actually did shoot the mood and
I was like, oh wait a second, never mind.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
That's the explosion happening with Warren's powers.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
And then the last thing I had lurting down here
is canceled again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yep, Claim finally shut down and everything got canceled, including,
like you said, their big mini series Unity two thousand,
which was gonna have Toyota Herad as one of the
big bad guys. Yeah, because I mean, if you're gonna
do a translation of like characters, he's kind of their
doom in like the fact that he thinks like, I'm
going to save the world. Granted I might have to

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kill all these people, but I'll save the world. And
it's kind of like a Doom's way of doing things.
You know. Doom's like, I should be in charge of necessarily, say,
the rest of the world. I have to sacrifice the continent,
but I'll save everyone else. Yeah, And that's what he's like,
which is kind of ironic. Then that the way that
Warren's going to become a villain is because of Eric
working with the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I hated to see it go. I know it's going
to come back in a different form here and when
did you say? It was two thousand and eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
I then came back. They brought back Quantum, then came
back again for a third time. Quantum of Woody was
one of the books that they did, but it was
a complete.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Different It was a different creative team.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Right in different versions. Eventually, a couple of years later,
they did Q two, The Return of Quantum and Woody,
the five issue medi series with Priest and Bright wrapping up.
These original versions of the characters got it. So they
did get an ending. Well good eventually, because they it's
been a long time since I read it. It probably
did not come right after. It probably does not jump

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right to at the end of twenty one, but it
gave him an ending. Eventually, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Twenty thirteen when the first reboot happened. Then Q two
hits the next year or so after that, fourteen. Yeah, yeah,
so all right, well there it is, man, we did it.
I didn't know if you had any other notes, but
we have covered this first series of Quantum and Woody.
I had a blast. I'm so glad that I read
these comics. I'm so glad I got exposed to some

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of Christopher Priests stuff. I'm trying to think of I've
ever read anything previous previously. I definitely haven't read a
series with them, but this stood out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
I like him as a lot as a writer. He's
done a lot of different stuff. He did recently for DC.
He did Death Stroke to the most recent Death Stroke series.
The best thing to read by him is his Black
Panther run. I was going to say, Marble Knights Black
Panthers run sixty two issues. It's amazing. I mean, he
did a lot of stuff for d C. The problem
was he had a thing called there. He called it

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the Priest Curse where he would get books but they
would get canceled, but half the time they would get
canceled like six months later, so you can't really blame him.
Like Mark Wade and Andy Kubert started in the late
nineties a Kazar series and they were onto like issue
fifteen or sixteen, and it was sounding great because it's
Mark Waded and Indy Kubert in the late nineties. And
then he came on with a new penciler and like
five ishes by nineteen was canceled. But he also did

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the last year of the Steel series. He also had
a nice chunk of Deadpool in the middle of the
Dead Rush first series. Okay, it was Joe Kelly I
believe was the writer of like the first thirty something issues,
and then he came on for a couple of years,
and then I believe Gael Simone the ended series. He
also did a lot of Justice League Task Force the

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Ray right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Well, like I said, I had a blast man. I
look forward to if we talk about quantumun Woody anymore
in the future, I'm down for it for sure. Obviously
there was some chaos as far as publication goes here.
I imagine it was really tough to try and nail
down a consistent narrative, and then a lot of stuff
fell short because it was just canceled again. So reading

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this third volume, I liked first two better because it
feels like it our first story was like wood, he
is unhinged and he's going to murder somebody. And when
all of this stuff happens where they split, book gets canceled.
Next thing you know, you're into thirty two, and thirty
two is like, okay, what happened. I'm just putting things together,

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but you're missing a whole chunk. Then you get into
eighteen through twenty one, which is doing good. We're going
to build the thirty two, but we're not going to
get there. We're only going to get four issues, so
it's just going to be gone again. It was heartbreaking.
I guess maybe that's what makes me say I don't
like it as much as the first two that we
talked about, because there was so much more left on

(01:14:17):
the table. Unfortunately, get that with a lot of canceled books.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Because unfortunately, like you said, yeah, the issues in the
first two volumes, the book was still ongoing. There were
places to go. You can you can see where he
was seating stuff this you can see the stuff that
was being wrapped up, how they were moving and progressing,
and that was happening, and then here it's like multiple
times of the floor being pulled out and having to
stop and restart. Unfortunately, it does affect the story itself. Yeah,

(01:14:42):
it's not like they knew when they did seventeen. He
kind of had an idea that was being canceled. It's
why they had that whole thing and the issue of
we're canceled. But when twenty one came out, they were
still working in further issues. There's some artwork and synopsis
from Unity two thousand up to issue six because it
was being done and it's just the company stopped publishing.

(01:15:03):
It's not even like they were like, Okay, guys, sorry,
you're canceled now. It's like you're canceled with Quanum Woody.
They're up there to twenty seven. Oh now as of
this issue. No, No, issue twenty one is gonna be
the last one. We finished that like four months ago.
We've done the next several issues. Nope, not coming out. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
As a creator, and as much love as they put
into this book too, I would have hated have been
Christopher Priest and MD Bright. It would have just tore
me apart. I feel sorry for those guys because you
can tell they put a lot of love into this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
For sure, a lot of themselves, Like what the information
you had, and also what I saw on the Priest's website,
there was a lot of themselves in Quantum and Woody.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember reading a little bit
about that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
They had a lot of their relationship with sometimes in
any way, it's very similar. They loved each other, they
were great together, but they also at times were wanted
to kill each other. Right, you could see a lot
of themselves in that book, but unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
That is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Well, I was kind of amused by seeing Reuben Diaz.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Is a character, no kid, and that was pretty fun.
All right, let's get into closing this out. That was
a lot of fun. Thanks again for coming on and
talking Quantum and what we finished it out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
No, I'm glad to reread it again. I love this stuff.
I started picking this book up, like I said, probably
before issue three or four, and then went back and
grabbed it, so I was reading this as it came out.
It's also easier to read a book like this altogether. Yeah,
instead of waiting a month or months between issues.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Oh, then getting those books late. It's rough on the reader.
All right, man, let's let them have it. I want
to know and I want our people to know where
they can find you and hear you out there and
podcast land.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
If you want to hear four from me. I have
my main show, Resurrections and Adam Warlock and Feenos podcast,
which is mostly about the characters Adam Warlock and Fanos
and some other cosmic characters from Marvel like Death.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
So we have it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
So go to uh, just type in Adam Warlock or Thanos,
whatever podcast you use, and it'll pop up. I also
have on that same feed because I'm too cheap to
spend one hundred bucks or so for another podcast feed.
I have a Thatond show I started recently. It's a
kind of monthly show, so that's why I don't need
a second feed called That Giffin Show, which is about
the work of Keith Giffen. So there's only two episodes

(01:17:09):
of that one so far, about Giffon's work on the
justice society in the seventies, but we already have stuff
recorded about Giffin's work writing The Suicide Squad in two
thousand and one, so that's going to be coming up
in a couple months.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Yep, you can find me ex and Blue Sky at
Adam fannospod and also on Blue Sky we have a
thing for at Giffin Show.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Very cool, very cool. Yeah. All right, well, ladies and gentlemen,
you're listening to the Source Material Comics podcast. We talked
about comic books of any era. Right now as we record,
me and Mark Radlich, you're finishing up our series on
Sons of Anarchy, Redwood original and third volume of that's
going to be dropping pretty soon. It's a prequel to
about ten years prior to Jax being part of Sons

(01:17:50):
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Issues podcast where we discussed nineties comics all the time.
Myself and Chris Armstrong got together recently in Gus the
Third and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles adaptation of the movie.
That's right. We talked about the tmn T three comic
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(01:18:13):
even give you a little breakdown of the soundtrack. So
I listen to the soundtrack of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
three a lot that week, and I had a lot
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Of course, Me and Evan Bevans get together once a
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(01:18:33):
we get together. We talk about the previous season, the
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have a lot of fun doing that on some of
the cards that you can play. Good time all around.
Speaking of good times, I had a good time here.
That over there is al Sadano. I am Jesse Starcher.
Thank you so much for joining us tonight. We'll talk
to you soon. Have a good one bye bye.

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