July 14, 2025 • 44 mins
SNIKT!! Buckle up, bub, because Unspoken Issues is going CLAWS OUT for one of the most iconic issues of the 90s—Wolverine #50! Gimmick Cover Summer is RAGING and this die-cut, file-folder-covered, mystery-packed issue is slashing its way straight into the comic vault of awesomeness!
Jesse, Evan, and Chris take you back to 1991—when X-Men ruled the spinner racks, Marvel was printing gold (and foil and holograms), and Wolverine was the gruffest, toughest, most mysterious mutant around. This issue isn’t just a looker with those three claw marks cut right through the cover—it’s the final chapter of a mind-bending trilogy where Logan faces off against the menacing robo-brute Shiva and unravels the TRUTH (or is it?) about his past.
Dive into shadowy government ops, fake memories, epic bike-riding stunts through office buildings (seriously), and a throwdown that tears through metal, minds, and Marvel mythos! Plus, we get those classic blue-and-gold X-Men fits, a sass-powered Jubilee, and maybe the most 90s computer setup this side of AOL.
If you ever bagged a grab-bag of comics from a flea market, flipped out over trading cards, or got hyped over any cover with claws, chrome, or chaos—you CAN’T miss this episode!
Jesse, Evan, and Chris take you back to 1991—when X-Men ruled the spinner racks, Marvel was printing gold (and foil and holograms), and Wolverine was the gruffest, toughest, most mysterious mutant around. This issue isn’t just a looker with those three claw marks cut right through the cover—it’s the final chapter of a mind-bending trilogy where Logan faces off against the menacing robo-brute Shiva and unravels the TRUTH (or is it?) about his past.
Dive into shadowy government ops, fake memories, epic bike-riding stunts through office buildings (seriously), and a throwdown that tears through metal, minds, and Marvel mythos! Plus, we get those classic blue-and-gold X-Men fits, a sass-powered Jubilee, and maybe the most 90s computer setup this side of AOL.
If you ever bagged a grab-bag of comics from a flea market, flipped out over trading cards, or got hyped over any cover with claws, chrome, or chaos—you CAN’T miss this episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Fun Spoken Issues, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the
Unspoken Issues podcast. Gimmick Cover Summer continues. Here we go,
ladies and gentlemen. This is our first poll, it's our
second episode. Do the math. I ain't doing it for you.
(00:26):
We are getting ready to discuss.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I was not told there was going to be math involved.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Ah that over there is Evan Bevans Evan. It's Gimmick
Cover Summer and we are going to be talking about
some of the coolest gimmicks that came out in the
nineties for comic books. Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I am always ready.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He's always ready. He's always Evan too. Down there is
Chris Armstrong. He's the guy that put this first one together,
this first pole that we had, the unspoken, the allegiance
of the unspoken, get together and make a decision along
with some other friends of ours. Chris Armstrong, why don't
you tell these people what went through your head? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
When I decided that I wanted to do this Gimmick
Cover Summer thing where we looked at a lot of
different gimmick covers from the gimmick era of the nineties,
I wanted to have a wide variety of different types
of gimmick covers to choose from. He could run a
pole of all four Spider Man Hologram covers or whatever,
but I wanted to do some of the oddities. The
(01:30):
winner we have in this one is less of an oddity.
There were a lot of die cut covers, but some
of the other ones were pretty unique, even for the
gimmick cover lousy nineties. So I went with the four
different options. The one I was hoping would win was
the Superman Man of still number thirty.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, color forms, I mean, for crying out loud. It's
funny because I think I was probably I don't know.
It was about five years go that I realized what
these things were called. I didn't realize color form was
the actual term that was used.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Did you have any of these, either of you when
you were kids?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I probably have more, but the two I remember was
the Real Ghostbusters and Teenage Viantant Ninja.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Turtles, Ohja Turtles.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So years before this came out, when I was probably
eight or nine years old, I had a set that
I think I've looked like on eBay and I haven't
been able to find this exact set.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I saw some hints.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That maybe this was like an early eighties color form set,
but it was marble. So the basically color form. If
you don't know what color forms are anybody listening, it's
basically like a cardboard sheet that has like a slit
gloss over it, and there's They come with these sten
plastic stickers that you can put them on the on
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the cardboard surface and take them off and rearrange them
in different different scenarios and stuff. So I had one
that was a blank comic book page with six panels,
and then there was a Spider Man one, a Doctor Octopus,
different marble characters. I used it a ton to the
point where I have them attacking each other and stuff,
(03:15):
and like it got to where the color forms the
paint was coming off of them because I went, I
had you're.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Moving them around.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Use if you've been doing more serious work, you would
have had a nine panel blank page, more artistic.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It would have been a lot of heads.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So this Superman cover, it's an issue where Lobo and
Superman have a big battle and fight each other. The
cover is double sided front and back. Cover is like
the city scape of Metropolis, and it came with a
sheet that has a ton of color form stickers to
go on it, and it's like a bunch of Superman
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a bunch of Loboso was bike blood splatters, arms and
legs that you can pose in different ways, similarly to
the Marble set I had a few years earlier. I
spent hours rearranging the cover to this Man of Steel
issue when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
This existed until you put them on this pole. I
am really it was a of the DC guy back then.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
A year or two later they did this again with
a milestone DC crossover where it was Superman and Icon.
I've only learned in recent years they did this gimmick
again with that issue.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
By the way, just don't give everybody an idea here.
How many votes total was it? Ninety seven?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Twenty seven votes total?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Superman Man of Steel Number thirty comes in with eighteen
percent of the votes. All right, what was our next choice?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
The second time I think this one's been in a poll,
Force Works Number one that does not get any love,
even going up against Extreme Justice. Wow what it lost
to last time? It had the fewest votes here I
think as well. Just a perplexing cover for Forced Works
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number one that had a poster. You basically had to
ruin the cover to unfold. It looks like crap too.
I actually tried to do it when I worked at
the comic shop and I found a copy of it
in a back issue. Bent a dollar ben trying to
pull the poster apart, get ripped. It was really hard
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to get apart without messing it up. Just kind of
a disaster all around.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I think the fifty cents out of your salary.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, they didn't know about it.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh, I had the run of the place on Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I could do what I wanted. They definitely would not
have cared though.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, this is a rough cover.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Are there any images of the poster? I think there's
also like a pop.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Up Okay, so what I'm looking at here is the
pop up part of the cover. All right, here we go.
Let me drag this over. Yeah, that's the other angle
because you can actually see the people. It's wonder man.
Oh my gosh, well that's interesting. It's unique.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wow, okay, all right, Force Works number one, pull off
poster ten percent of the vote. Where you're going to next?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Next up? Wolverine number fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's labeled seventy five in the poll because I messed
up and it would not let me change it.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Wolverine fifty. Explain it, sir, you said, die cut, babe.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
It's the die cut cover, probably the first one I
ever saw, but I doubt it's the first one.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Maybe it is, who knows. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It's an issue that deals with Wolverine's past, which was
unrevealed at this time. He's looking into this some webonarx stuff.
It's got a file folder cover with the three slash
marks representing Wolverine's clause I assume, and but and then
you see underneath an image of Wolverine going up against
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this big robot. And then there's a few other images
in the preceding page after the die cut cover.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, a really cool looking cover here. This is the
die cut stuff. When you can make it seem it's
got to tie in with the character or something like that.
When it can do that successfully, it's in my opinion,
it works. So I think this is perfect for issue
fifty of Wolverine. It kind of evokes who Wolverine is.
(07:43):
And these three claw marks that are now etched in
the actual cover of the issued where you can see
some of the stuff underneath me get macking my opinion.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I had this issue, but I'm not sure why I
didn't regularly read Wolverine. But I think I got it
in some kind of like remember those like comic grab
bags you used to get, Oh yeah, like a Walmart
all these and stuff. I think I got it that way.
I remember I had it, and I don't remember how
I got it. Might have been that undiagnosed clebtomnia. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We don't talk about that, okay, all right? And then
what was our next choice?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Last option was Eclipso number one DC comic. Who you know?
Eclipso is a villain.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I don't know if they were trying to come up
into an anti hero or something for this series. I
never have read it, but it's got a pretty interesting
cover gimmick in that it's got Eclipso one of his things.
He has this gem that he, I guess, can use
to corrupt people.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Maybe I don't really know a whole lot about Eclipso honestly.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh I thought it was a place he worked out.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
But it has a gem attachment on the cover, like
a little plastic diamond, like a reddish purplish diamond that
is actually kind of glued to the cover, which probably
makes storing it a hassle because it's pressing into other
comics and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Interesting thing that Darkhawk collectors have become wise too recently
is apparently people are taking the diamond off these Eclipso
comics and gluing them onto the dark Hook number twenty
five cover, really and making and and then listening them
(09:33):
on eBay as like rare darkot cover.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Come on, the last thing Chris Powell needs is an
evil ambulant. That kid had problems.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So yeah, those those If you ever see a dark
Hawk twenty five listed with a with an amulet attached
to the cover, those aren't real.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Those were never released by Marvel. But I kind of
do want one. I do, but I'll make my.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Own before rob right right.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
That's Eclipso number one.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I didn't read much of Eclipso either. Wow are we talking?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
A thing I really know about Eclipso is that that's
his first name. His last name is actually hart.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay Eclipso to heart.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Hey, ladies and gentlemen. Wolvering number fifty, the die cut
cover walks away with forty nine percent of the vote.
Out of all four of these, Eclipse number one with
twenty three percent, So our winner is Wolverine number fifty.
The die cut cover, well, hey, real quick, before I
jump into it, what's on the shelves for Marvel at
this time? Because this drops January of nineteen ninety two,
(10:46):
cover date of January ninety two, Actually on sale date
is November twelfth, nineteen ninety one. For Wolverine number fifty.
We have I've got to see this.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
This was around the time they relaunched all the X
books right.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
As a matter of fact, we want to take a
look here real quick, just to see what was on
the shelves at that point in time. Our creative Team
is written by Larry Hama, penciled by Mark Silvestri. He's
coming into like before he leaves Marvel.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Close to him.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Jumping Ship ink by Daniel Green, lettered by Patrick Brusso
and colored by Stephen J. Bucalto. This is what was
on the shelves in nineteen ninety one for mar or
yeah for nineteen ninety one, November of ninety one for Marvel.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
So oh Alf was entering his grim and gritty period.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I said, we have an upcoming podcast is going to
be released, I think next unspoken issues for Oh my goodness,
what was this called Robin Revenge?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Now we can count that Spider Man the head of
gatefold cover, which he count as a gimmick.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
All right, part of the.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I won't argue Fible goes West American tale. Let's see here,
as we go down through, there's that rallhead Rex. I
know we talked about that on the round Robin. If
I remember right, any gimmick cover standing out for ninety one.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
The Guardians of the Galaxy, the background is like a
silver cover or color. I guess you would count that
as a gimmick. Okay, this is pretty early in the
gimmick era.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, things are about to start getting pretty prolific after this.
But yeah, you're right. Well there's a holiday special. Hey,
look at that one, Evan, I.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Owned that one. Oh I know what.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Okay, that's the first appearance of squirrel Girl. Correct, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Stuff's not always on the cover. Super Pro number four,
every issue of that had a gimmick on the cover.
It had super Pro.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Death luck going at it.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, it looks like this Spider Man Revenge of the
Sinas for six, which I posited as a spiritual sequel
to Around Robin, started at the same month that Round
Robin ended.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh yeah, look at that. Look at that, there's our
Wolverine fifty. What if Phoenix rose again? What the number sixteen?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, it's only Guardians and Wolverine and I guess amazing
Spider Man if you count that right.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Let's take a look real quick.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You see there was a Silver Surfer down there that
looked a little all right here, this one, I guess
it wasn't so, but it happens, silver Surfer on it
alphabetically it was elsewhere. When we did this for Wildcats,
it was I think issue seventy five of Silver Surfer,
which definitely had a gimmick cover that was pretty I
(13:53):
mean that month and what was October ninety two. Yeah,
there was a lot of Marvel gimmicks at that point.
All right, let's take a look. We're heading to DC
real quick, just to see what is this. Let's take
a look and see if there's any gimmicks sitting over here.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
This looks odd. I don't know what the heck is
going on there, Doctor Fate was going to say, and
I don't see anything. Series Info series gallery doesn't say
anything specific about that, but okay, what else we got? Oh,
(14:35):
there's the Military Christmas special Robin two. Robin two has
all those hologram cards on the front, and then that
has two variants Robin three Robin two number three, five, six, seven,
And nothing else is sticking. Well, I mean DC's got
(14:57):
a I mean Robin two. That series had some hoo
covers on it.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Should we do the comments on the pole? Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, did we get some?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
This one actually had a handful.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, besides the ones pointing out that it's not.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
There were plenty of those, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I not remember seeing this, so I remember them giving
you a hard seat.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Usually when we post the poll in the podcast group,
it doesn't get much of a response, But then when
you post it in the Unspoken Decade page that's why.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's when the votes go up and there's quite a
few more people.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah, and that's what people comment. So Craig.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Patrillo, I don't know how to pronounce that last name.
He says, poor choices, as there's much better ones, but
you have to go with the color forms. I think
that's what he's saying, is that's okay, So disagree I mean,
but hey, everybody's a title their opinion.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
For crying out loud, It's like, yeah, more than one. Yeah,
we're going to have a few more polls, bro, we'll
get there, trust me.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And then Michael, of those, I think the Eclipso cover
and the annuals and series to follow is the most
cool and relevant.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And then Mark Ramier another Eclipso cover. The Eclipso cover,
as annoying as it was for storage, due to its
profile with the gym, was unique, imo, and I.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Loved it for that, okay.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And then Tony Hopper says I still have Wolverine fifty
in my.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Long box now. Wolverine number fifty. Logan is on a
relentless quest to uncover the truth behind his mysterious past.
The story begins with him charging through city streets on
his motorcycle, storming a corporate building to confront Shield about
a covert operation tied to his fragmented memories, ignoring protocol,
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and plowing through bureaucratic well here's that word again, bureaucratic resistance.
Logan ultimately forces Nick Fury to hand over a classified
NSA file tagged with his name, an act that triggers
alarms within hidden government and HydroD networks. A long buried
program code is activated tied to the elusive pest control
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section of the Department of Agriculture, which happens to be
Wolverine's next target. And that's pest control section in quotes.
Logan's pursuit leads him to Windsor, Ontario, with the X
men accompanying him as backup. At a mysterious warehouse, Wolverine
discovers a bizarre movie set like environment filled with surreal
(17:38):
replicas of settings from his own memories, including a cabin,
a saloon, and a senior prom but inconsistencies make him
question everything, Realizing many of his memories may have been
artificially constructed, Wolverine claws through each set piece in search
of truth. Ironically, the absence of one memory, the cabin
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with silver Fox, gives him hope that perhaps that memory
was real. As Logan digs deeper, he stumbles into a
massive vault door he remembers from hallucinations linked to the
WEAPONEX complex, using a key he retained from his broken memories,
which I don't know how he ended up with this key.
(18:23):
I assume it happened a couple issues before or something.
But he's got a key to get into this thing.
He unlocks the chamber, awakening Shiva, a deadly robotic enforcer
program to eliminate operatives like Logan. What begins is a
brutal physical confrontation quickly escalates into a psychological war. Shiva
(18:45):
attacks with not just weapons, but with implanted memory triggers
that unleash every trauma Woverine has ever endured, pain, betrayal,
and loss all at once. Meanwhile, Silver Fox reappears, having
remembered her her own past or the illusionary sets. She
confronts the Professor. We're not talking about Professor X, We're
(19:06):
actually talking about Professor prof prof Yeah, prof and Hines
are the ones that were attached to pest control, I believe.
Silver Fox reappears. She confronts the Professor, who's been watching
this whole time, watching Wolverine make his way through these scenes,
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and she starts to realize that, oh, you know, hey,
I recognize some of these scenes that he's going through.
She sees the camera, the screen whatever that's watching Wolverine,
and then she starts to realize that even her memories
were manipulated. She is clearly either part of this program
that the prof was conducting. The battle between Wolverine and
Shiva culminates with Logan fighting not just the machine but
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the program itself, declaring that he's more than a weapon
or a beast. With fierce resolve, he tears Shiva apart,
asserting control over his identity, but the damage is both
physically and emotionally. In the aftermath, the Shiva program shifts
to its next target, Sabertooth, while Gene and Jubilee plead
with Logan to save the others on the list. Because
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they found a list with names on it, Wolverine's name
is at the top. Shiva's next car target is the
next one on the list, and that's Sabertooth. Gene and
Jubilee plead with Logan to help save the others on
the list, but the Wolverine that emerges is different. Hardened
by truth, stripped of illusion, and exhausted by battle, he
walks away in silence. Xavier closes the issue with a
(20:34):
grim reflection, the man reborn tonight is not the Wolverine
they once knew, and whatever lies ahead may be darker. Still,
So there you go that is our synopsis for Wolverine fifty.
I'm going to go ahead and get my notes out
of the way. All right, let's just start with I'm
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almost scrow up a little bit here.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'll point out you mentioned they found the key earlier.
This is the third part of a story.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh, I'm glad you said that. Did I even give
the creative team, right? Yeah, I wrote that at the
top of the creative team forgot to say it Dreams
of Gore Phase three. So yeah, you got a good
point there. So this is probably something that he acquired
in part one or two.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So I actually I would probably have not known this,
but the ASSEMBI fan, you know, on the Unspoken Decade Yeah,
group he posted, I guess it was issue forty eight,
so it would have been the first part fairly recently,
a week or so ago, maybe less, and mentions that
it is the first part of a three parter and
(21:41):
that it's a sequel to Weapon X.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
The storyline for Marvel Comics presents that very winsor did Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, And then I realized at that point, like, oh, well,
that's this what we're doing the podcast on Wow fifty
the last part. So I read all three parts in preparation.
But you know, there's not a whole lot. You get
the gist of what's going on with this one. There
is a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
In this one, but you get the gist of it.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Okay, So he got that keyp you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
For this door, Yeah, that was in the second part, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Okay, all right, that makes sense. So as far as
my notes go, let's just go ahead and start with
Wolverine driving his bike through a building and being on
an elevator.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Give vibes.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I was like,
this very much feels like true lies.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
He did it strategically.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
He was like, oh, I know they want to expect
me in the freight elevator, I might as well just
push this bike up the stairs. He didn't carry it, folks,
he didn't drag it. He pushed the bike up the.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Stairs, tried to flirt with the lady in the regular elevator.
Don't want them long legs brushing up against the hot
tail pipe. It sounds like he's just, you know, legitimately
warning her, but in the creepiest way possible.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, the ront Wolverine, I mean, I love House of
Vestry make sure he is three inches smaller than everybody else.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Appreciate when that it feels like that was like a
rule back then.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
They it's way more lax.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It seems like in the decades, you know, right, since
the movies came out and he's six foot three in
the movies or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But yeah, the only way that Hugh Jackman isn't the
perfect Wolverine, right.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I love seeing Sylvestri doing some work here. Sylvestri was
one of the first like artists that made me realize
I can appreciate comic book art watching him do what
he was doing on X Men. So it's cool to
see him working on this, which I didn't get a
chance to look. I should have brought it up. But
(23:43):
was Sylvester. Did Silvestry have a small run on Wolverine?
I would assume he did.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
It was a pretty lengthy run, all right. He was
on X Men first, and then you think he moved
to Wolverine for a while. I had this issue when
I was a kid. I think it might have been
the first Wolverine issue I ever bought, all right, so
I don't know how how long he was early on there.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay, my next note is like, if there's anything that
I learned from this is that Logan cannot trust anything
that's in his head. Now. Granted, I'm not picking up
Wolverine at this time. I'm reading some of the X books.
What Wolverine was a book that I did not get,
(24:23):
so I had no idea what was going on, But
I knew some of the bigger story vibes as I
was going into this having known some Wolverine issues and
storylines prior to this, so I knew that some of
this stuff is popping up that was a big part
of his history, and now all of a sudden, it's
like it actually wasn't something it could be implanted memory.
(24:43):
So it doesn't really clear anything up. In my opinion,
it just does nothing but muddy things. At least that
was when I came away with this. I was like, well,
he's just never going to be able to trust what's
in his mind. Aside from the fact that you know,
there's that one moment where he is looking for some
information about a cabin or watching to see if anything
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in that movie set resembles this cabin that he had
spent some time with Silver Fox at and he realizes
that Oh okay, well that's not in here, so maybe
that's an actual, genuine memory, which I have no idea
what happened in the cabin, but I'm glad for him.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Probably have a decent idea.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I wonder if Larry Hamma was the Wolverine robber. He
had a pretty lengthy run.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think this was a response to the WEAPONEX story
that Barry Winsor Smith did, and it was a way
to say, like, well, they've revealed some stuff from his past,
but we want to keep that mystery as hazy as possible,
so let's throw a bunch of other stuff in there
to make it even less certain of what's come before.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
For Logan.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Feel like that's kind of what was going on. I
don't know if that's really what the plan was, but
I was like, chee, Louise, he's walking away with this.
There's nothing he could trust this in his head. Just
because you mentioned was this the time when the X
Men were kind of getting the new series, I was
going to say, you.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Know, we saw it earlier.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I think the X Men issue from this month was
the Omega Red number four right, okay, which, in reference
to our last episode who we recorded Wildcast number four
is a Jim Lee kind of covering himself with that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
It's like the same right is, but different character of
the Wildcats characters.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
The next thing I had here was Jubileese comment about
how she didn't even like staring at a computer scream
with Mario's running across it in his raccoon suit. I
was like, well, now, come on. But then over here,
Jubilee says, those turtles have a pizza warmer in their van.
I think we'd have at least it's lushy machine. She's
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a little upset. I really enjoyed Wolverine letting loose on
this robot Shiva. This battle was pretty good. He could
go nuts with his claws and tear stuff up. Shiva
put himself back together or renewed himself one or the other.
It looks like he renewed himself because there's a.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Bunch of a couple of overrobot bodies. Although I think
Kin says, you just have an onloaded number, and he's like,
oh no, we got a budget.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But so maybe you guys can shed some light on this.
Let's break this panel down here where Wolverine is going
through his trauma. I want to start here. What is
going on here? This looks like Private Eye, Howlett and
Sabertooth or something. Yeah, I had no idea what was
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going on now.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't know if it was referenced before that issue,
but in part one of this three parter there's an
extended sequence where Logan is and bring himself and Creed
in a third person as basically like government agents.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Okay, the other stuff I kind of put together just
because I know some about his path. Here's our weapon
X stuff, here's our hand stuff up here, right, and
then down here just a little bit more of his
history that he was experiencing some of the horrors of war.
And then my final note was, you know, he's Sabertooth's
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problem now, like he's just like, okay, well, I am
not helping that dude. You can Sabertooth could just handle
himself against Siva. So I'll step back. Evan, I'll let
you go next. Man, What do you got here for
this issue?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
See? I must have read it, Like I said, it
found its way into my collection somehow. I loved the
sequence with the bike. That was pretty cool. I did
feel a little lost. I should have done my homework.
Like Chris in general, I got what was going on.
One thing that jumped out to me as a product
of its time was the description of them trying to
sort through all the data that he got.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Oh my gosh, I forgot about that. I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Pages of documentation after the first hundred pages. I had
him run off floppy discs through the photo two shoe
boxes full of discs, and today you'd have it all
on your phone.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
A lot of times, stuff like that fascinates me. I
love coming across that in comic books because it's indicative
of the time that's being written. But yeah, a lot
of times the comic books are all about fanciful technology
light years ahead of where we're at right now. But
this instance, it didn't seem like that was the case.
They were like, no, let's make this an actual, real
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life analog. What would this be like.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
They tried to balance that with some of the far
off stuff, but also trying to make it a little relatable.
I remember the Internet Cafe and Batman and Daredevil.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I do.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I was led to believe that Shiva was a lot
bigger deal, and maybe there's other stories with it, But
I had a trading card, and I was just like,
oh man, this Shiva thing that's huge. Oh hey, I
got this comic with it. I don't know how often
Shiva appeared after that, but they didn't go the route
of actually building it at adamnium, right, I mean, it
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looks cool, But after reading a lot more Wolverine stories
and everything, I think this was one where this was
in the pipeline when they were doing the card set
and they're like, oh, yeah, throw this thing in. It
has to do with Wolverine's past, or maybe it just
didn't catch on, like they were hoping.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
To jump off of that real quick. Here's a fandom,
and we can usually go down here and take a
look at how many appearances for Sheiva.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
For times.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Really Wolverine Origins Volume one, number one, fifty sixty four
and sixty apparently.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I'm glad you brought up Wolverine Origins because next gets
me back on track this issue. Like I said, I
don't remember when I actually read it. It probably hit
a lot harder when it came out, I mean, because
you know, we were, oh, Wolverine's pass is a complete mystery.
We have no idea this is this is huge and
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now it's just like, okay, but was Romulus pulling the strings?
Had he you know, it was Dakin alive at this point.
I mean, I guess eventually, I'm not sure you could
keep that mystery going. I think eventually they had to
answer it. But it sort of cuts the legs out
from some of these older stories. It's still a Wolverine.
It's the mystery, it's the action. But this would have
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hit a lot differently when you knew nothing and yet
you're right, Jesse. It gives you more questions than answers,
but it's kind of like a puzzle box sort of thing,
whereas this were like, well, yeah, but there was this
mastermind who was having him do this, and we still
need to do a show on it just because of
the time travel shananigans. But the X Lives and ex
Deaths of Wolverine was accompanied by an online comic that
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was basically Wolverine's life story chronologically.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's cool to see all that put together. Basically, in
half of that story, he was quantum leaping through his
own life to stop Omega Red from killing Professor X Nice,
So that part of it was cool. But if you
think of this as a product of its time, it's
a lot better. Whereas if you're looking at this, like
where does this fit in with the Wolverine story overall?
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Not that impressive. I mean the art's great, there's great action.
I'm not bashing, and I'm just saying in the context
of what we know about Wolverine, this doesn't have a
lot of weight.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I hear you. I can agree one other notes you
got there.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Some of the dialogue for Shiva was interesting, like, I
have backup systems, from my backup systems, did they just
have a programmer who threw some of his hilarry hamma,
you know, forgotten more about writing comics than I'll ever know.
I'm just saying some of the dialogue with Shiva it
makes me wonder, like, you know, who decided to make
him a little sassy. I don't know a lot about Silverfox.
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I did not know that she was apparently a higher
up in Hydra.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Either that might have been explained in some of those
previous issues. Cool action. You got two good action pieces.
Wolverine infiltrating barging into Shield that was cool, and then
Wolverine going up against this robot. The ending where Professor
X says, whatever Wolverine emerged, I guess if he found
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out that what little he thought he knew was fake,
I can understand that. As I was reading it, I
didn't feel like it was this profound revelation. Maybe that's
just because I knew a lot of Wolverine's past was
faked and things like that. But some cool action looks great.
It hits all the nostalgia buttons. I love those blue
and gold X Men uniforms and even Professor X and
(33:44):
Jubilee a sporting so yeah, it's nice to see those.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, this must be like there's a moment where Gene
Grace says with that new costume, and I was like,
oh wow, so this Wolverine's yellow must have just dropped
as well.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He was wearing the brown costume until recently.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Right, And I think it because I think he gets
the yellow one in a issue of Spider Man like
adjective the Spider.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Man, he originally had the yellow and blue.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
From the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
He switched over to at some point in the eighties,
he switched over to the brown in tan, which is
my preferred Wolverine costume.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
But yet I think a lot of people were happy
to see him back in the yellow and I'm pretty
sure I've read somewhere that McFarland wanted to put him
back in the yellow costume because he liked that costume
and he wanted to draw him in it, so that
happened in Spider Man. But I think the reason that
happened in that Spider Man story is because he was
in Canada and his costume got ruined and he had
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to wear his backup or something like that.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I think this is the official change back to.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
The yellow costume, gotcha, Chris Armstrong, not.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
A whole lot that hasn't already been covered. I agree
that this reads a lot differently now than it did
back then. Even going into this in nineteen ninety one,
even coming out of it with more questions than answers,
I think people were probably just excited to get any
kind of hints or anything into Wolverings and like it
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being kind of a quasi sequel to a really popular
you know, with the weapon X storyline. The previous two
issues have a lot more flashbacks to him with the
head gear in the wilderness and stuff. Seeing Silvestry do
that stuff was kind of cool, But again, that didn't
happen in this issue. So much was there reference to
(35:39):
Wolverine's birthday In this issue?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
There was a birthday party, okay, seeing I think, but
the mat.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And then there was.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I was saying, with Wolverine's birthday, it's become a thing
that I didn't really know about until recently. That you know,
Sabertooth always makes a point to kill someone that Wolverine loves.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
On his birthday.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Oh yeah, I barely remember that.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And I didn't know if that was something that kind
of started here. Maybe it was in one of the
two previous issues where they talked about it being Wolverine's
birthday or something like that.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
But again, that's not even this issue. It all kind
of runs together. Since I read them all today.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I was very surprised to see Shiva making so little
impact because I also thought he was more of a
bigger deal. Who would have thought cyber would be the
bigger threat to Wolverine?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Right?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
He comes back a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I think he just stopped up in the latest relaunch.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Oh really, Yeah, I remember I have a friend who's
a computer he's an IT guy, and he always gets
annoyed by people using the term cyber. Had you know
and back. During one of the elections, I posted a
picture of Cyber on my Facebook and tagged him and asked,
who is the candidate that's gonna protect us from the
(37:00):
deadly cyber threat? That was something going on. I think
it was the first Trump artillery election. There's a lot
of cyber talk.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But does your IT friend realize the man's name is
Silas Burr? I mean, oh my, I.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Didn't realize that Silas Burr. The Sylvestry pretty awesome. He's
a great Wolverine artist, and there's some really cool stuff,
especially with the Shiva fight in here.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
I like this issue.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It's pretty convoluted, not a lot of answers, but still
if it wasn't a double sized issue like again, that
would probably mean they would be cutting out some of
the action.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
The way the issue.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Leaves Wolverine, you know, Professor X talks about him being
a more isolated version of Wolverine.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Wolverine started out.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
As I remember the X Men, it was. I don't
think it was just as past. It was a mystery,
like he was sort of an I guess and like.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Might have been an evolved Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
But as the character gets more popular, it's his own
solo series. I wonder if Larry Hamma was wanting to
strip away a lot of that stuff and make him
a harder edged version of him, like more like he
was in his early days, and if this was a
way to torture him a more psychologically, not letting him
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get any answers, and make him a little rougher like
he was, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
When he first like the X Men and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Right, right, Yeah, Hama's got a run here that he
is not done with by a long shot. The more
mystery that surrounsed this character, the more time it gives
him to write. I guess, you know, and maybe Hama,
You're right, maybe Hama didn't want to provide any answers,
just take him back to the basic, you know, brawler
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that he was, and you know a little bit of
mysterious and maybe we but I know that there's you know,
that's just something that's that's part of Wolverine for sure.
All right, let's pick a panel. Evan Bevans, I'm gonna
give you first shot here, buddy. What would be your panel? Pick?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
All right, We're going back to near the beginning page seven,
the third panel, which is Wolverine avoiding the freight elevator
to get his bike up to the higher level, just
pushing it right up at the steps.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I laughed out loud. There might have been a snort involved.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, dude, I remember seeing that. Gone, what is he doing?
Come pushing the dang thing up the stairs. That's a
perfect panel right there. I love it. It's just all
completely blacked out and bump bump, bump, bump bump as
his tires go up the stairs. That's good stuff, all right, Armstrong,
you're up, man? What do you got?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Plus?
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Swiddle it down?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
A lot of good stuff with the action and stuff.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna cheat and I'm gonna go.
Gets page thirty two, the middle panel there where you've
got Wolverine's face and then you've got his mysterious past
all around him with his memories and stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, that's definitely a standout one. He's screaming, he's obviously
in some type of agony here. Great pick, great pick.
I think the one that I had when I was
looking at this initially was this one right here, as
not much but him swinging on Shiva and just opening
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him up This is the classic wolverine using his claws
to slash tear somebody apart. That's the one that stuck
out to me when I was reading this. There's another
good one here. This one is awesome where Siva's kind
of standing above Logan as he's laying on the ground.
Sheva again, just like you said, he looks like he's
going to be a big deal. He looks like across
(40:56):
at cards, looks like it looks like he's like influenced
by a nihilist in some way. It's what he reminds
me of a little bit. But my goodness, I don't
know how much more spikes you can get sticking off
your armor. You don't want to touch Shiva, that's for sure.
All right. Well, there it is, ladies and gentlemen. We
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have done it, and did it at the same time
we have covered Wolverine number fifty as Gimmick cover Summer continues.
We're going to have more polls out there for you.
We appreciate everybody participating and look forward to you guys
selecting more stuff for us to talk about in the
future months. Let's get into plugs, evid bebbits. You got
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the floor here buddy.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
If you like what I have to say about comics
but are annoyed by the sound of my voice, you
can check out my blog at astorisk fifty one dot
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conjunction with the One World Under Doom crossover. I've looked
at another time Doom took over the world and another
time Doom informed his Zone Avengers. If you don't have
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a couple issues for you that may be able to
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I've been able to pick up a dollar tree or
slowly rewatching the Godzilla movies or watching them for the
first time. Just a little bit of everything, So check
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that out.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Evan Bevan's plugs are done. Chris Armstrong, You're up next.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
You can find me on Twitter, Blue Sky and Instagram
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Speaker 6 (42:38):
I also have another podcast, I do Noboddy aj Or.
We talk about direct video and made for TV movies
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called Because Movies. You can find those on your podcatcher
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Fun Spoken Issues, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the
Unspoken Issues podcast. Gimmick Cover Summer continues. Here we go,
ladies and gentlemen. This is our first poll, it's our
second episode. Do the math. I ain't doing it for you.
(00:26):
We are getting ready to discuss.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I was not told there was going to be math involved.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Ah that over there is Evan Bevans Evan. It's Gimmick
Cover Summer and we are going to be talking about
some of the coolest gimmicks that came out in the
nineties for comic books. Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I am always ready.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He's always ready. He's always Evan too. Down there is
Chris Armstrong. He's the guy that put this first one together,
this first pole that we had, the unspoken, the allegiance
of the unspoken, get together and make a decision along
with some other friends of ours. Chris Armstrong, why don't
you tell these people what went through your head? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
When I decided that I wanted to do this Gimmick
Cover Summer thing where we looked at a lot of
different gimmick covers from the gimmick era of the nineties,
I wanted to have a wide variety of different types
of gimmick covers to choose from. He could run a
pole of all four Spider Man Hologram covers or whatever,
but I wanted to do some of the oddities. The
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winner we have in this one is less of an oddity.
There were a lot of die cut covers, but some
of the other ones were pretty unique, even for the
gimmick cover lousy nineties. So I went with the four
different options. The one I was hoping would win was
the Superman Man of still number thirty.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, color forms, I mean, for crying out loud. It's
funny because I think I was probably I don't know.
It was about five years go that I realized what
these things were called. I didn't realize color form was
the actual term that was used.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Did you have any of these, either of you when
you were kids?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I probably have more, but the two I remember was
the Real Ghostbusters and Teenage Viantant Ninja.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Turtles, Ohja Turtles.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So years before this came out, when I was probably
eight or nine years old, I had a set that
I think I've looked like on eBay and I haven't
been able to find this exact set.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I saw some hints.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That maybe this was like an early eighties color form set,
but it was marble. So the basically color form. If
you don't know what color forms are anybody listening, it's
basically like a cardboard sheet that has like a slit
gloss over it, and there's They come with these sten
plastic stickers that you can put them on the on
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the cardboard surface and take them off and rearrange them
in different different scenarios and stuff. So I had one
that was a blank comic book page with six panels,
and then there was a Spider Man one, a Doctor Octopus,
different marble characters. I used it a ton to the
point where I have them attacking each other and stuff,
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and like it got to where the color forms the
paint was coming off of them because I went, I
had you're.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Moving them around.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Use if you've been doing more serious work, you would
have had a nine panel blank page, more artistic.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It would have been a lot of heads.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So this Superman cover, it's an issue where Lobo and
Superman have a big battle and fight each other. The
cover is double sided front and back. Cover is like
the city scape of Metropolis, and it came with a
sheet that has a ton of color form stickers to
go on it, and it's like a bunch of Superman
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a bunch of Loboso was bike blood splatters, arms and
legs that you can pose in different ways, similarly to
the Marble set I had a few years earlier. I
spent hours rearranging the cover to this Man of Steel
issue when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
This existed until you put them on this pole. I
am really it was a of the DC guy back then.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
A year or two later they did this again with
a milestone DC crossover where it was Superman and Icon.
I've only learned in recent years they did this gimmick
again with that issue.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
By the way, just don't give everybody an idea here.
How many votes total was it? Ninety seven?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Twenty seven votes total?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Superman Man of Steel Number thirty comes in with eighteen
percent of the votes. All right, what was our next choice?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
The second time I think this one's been in a poll,
Force Works Number one that does not get any love,
even going up against Extreme Justice. Wow what it lost
to last time? It had the fewest votes here I
think as well. Just a perplexing cover for Forced Works
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number one that had a poster. You basically had to
ruin the cover to unfold. It looks like crap too.
I actually tried to do it when I worked at
the comic shop and I found a copy of it
in a back issue. Bent a dollar ben trying to
pull the poster apart, get ripped. It was really hard
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to get apart without messing it up. Just kind of
a disaster all around.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I think the fifty cents out of your salary.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, they didn't know about it.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh, I had the run of the place on Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I could do what I wanted. They definitely would not
have cared though.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, this is a rough cover.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Are there any images of the poster? I think there's
also like a pop.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Up Okay, so what I'm looking at here is the
pop up part of the cover. All right, here we go.
Let me drag this over. Yeah, that's the other angle
because you can actually see the people. It's wonder man.
Oh my gosh, well that's interesting. It's unique.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wow, okay, all right, Force Works number one, pull off
poster ten percent of the vote. Where you're going to next?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Next up? Wolverine number fifty.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's labeled seventy five in the poll because I messed
up and it would not let me change it.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Wolverine fifty. Explain it, sir, you said, die cut, babe.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
It's the die cut cover, probably the first one I
ever saw, but I doubt it's the first one.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Maybe it is, who knows. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It's an issue that deals with Wolverine's past, which was
unrevealed at this time. He's looking into this some webonarx stuff.
It's got a file folder cover with the three slash
marks representing Wolverine's clause I assume, and but and then
you see underneath an image of Wolverine going up against
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this big robot. And then there's a few other images
in the preceding page after the die cut cover.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, a really cool looking cover here. This is the
die cut stuff. When you can make it seem it's
got to tie in with the character or something like that.
When it can do that successfully, it's in my opinion,
it works. So I think this is perfect for issue
fifty of Wolverine. It kind of evokes who Wolverine is.
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And these three claw marks that are now etched in
the actual cover of the issued where you can see
some of the stuff underneath me get macking my opinion.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I had this issue, but I'm not sure why I
didn't regularly read Wolverine. But I think I got it
in some kind of like remember those like comic grab
bags you used to get, Oh yeah, like a Walmart
all these and stuff. I think I got it that way.
I remember I had it, and I don't remember how
I got it. Might have been that undiagnosed clebtomnia. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We don't talk about that, okay, all right? And then
what was our next choice?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Last option was Eclipso number one DC comic. Who you know?
Eclipso is a villain.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I don't know if they were trying to come up
into an anti hero or something for this series. I
never have read it, but it's got a pretty interesting
cover gimmick in that it's got Eclipso one of his things.
He has this gem that he, I guess, can use
to corrupt people.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Maybe I don't really know a whole lot about Eclipso honestly.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh I thought it was a place he worked out.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
But it has a gem attachment on the cover, like
a little plastic diamond, like a reddish purplish diamond that
is actually kind of glued to the cover, which probably
makes storing it a hassle because it's pressing into other
comics and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Interesting thing that Darkhawk collectors have become wise too recently
is apparently people are taking the diamond off these Eclipso
comics and gluing them onto the dark Hook number twenty
five cover, really and making and and then listening them
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on eBay as like rare darkot cover.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Come on, the last thing Chris Powell needs is an
evil ambulant. That kid had problems.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So yeah, those those If you ever see a dark
Hawk twenty five listed with a with an amulet attached
to the cover, those aren't real.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Those were never released by Marvel. But I kind of
do want one. I do, but I'll make my.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Own before rob right right.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
That's Eclipso number one.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I didn't read much of Eclipso either. Wow are we talking?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
A thing I really know about Eclipso is that that's
his first name. His last name is actually hart.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay Eclipso to heart.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Hey, ladies and gentlemen. Wolvering number fifty, the die cut
cover walks away with forty nine percent of the vote.
Out of all four of these, Eclipse number one with
twenty three percent, So our winner is Wolverine number fifty.
The die cut cover, well, hey, real quick, before I
jump into it, what's on the shelves for Marvel at
this time? Because this drops January of nineteen ninety two,
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cover date of January ninety two, Actually on sale date
is November twelfth, nineteen ninety one. For Wolverine number fifty.
We have I've got to see this.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
This was around the time they relaunched all the X
books right.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
As a matter of fact, we want to take a
look here real quick, just to see what was on
the shelves at that point in time. Our creative Team
is written by Larry Hama, penciled by Mark Silvestri. He's
coming into like before he leaves Marvel.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Close to him.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Jumping Ship ink by Daniel Green, lettered by Patrick Brusso
and colored by Stephen J. Bucalto. This is what was
on the shelves in nineteen ninety one for mar or
yeah for nineteen ninety one, November of ninety one for Marvel.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
So oh Alf was entering his grim and gritty period.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I said, we have an upcoming podcast is going to
be released, I think next unspoken issues for Oh my goodness,
what was this called Robin Revenge?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Now we can count that Spider Man the head of
gatefold cover, which he count as a gimmick.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
All right, part of the.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I won't argue Fible goes West American tale. Let's see here,
as we go down through, there's that rallhead Rex. I
know we talked about that on the round Robin. If
I remember right, any gimmick cover standing out for ninety one.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
The Guardians of the Galaxy, the background is like a
silver cover or color. I guess you would count that
as a gimmick. Okay, this is pretty early in the
gimmick era.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, things are about to start getting pretty prolific after this.
But yeah, you're right. Well there's a holiday special. Hey,
look at that one, Evan, I.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Owned that one. Oh I know what.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Okay, that's the first appearance of squirrel Girl. Correct, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Stuff's not always on the cover. Super Pro number four,
every issue of that had a gimmick on the cover.
It had super Pro.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Death luck going at it.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, it looks like this Spider Man Revenge of the
Sinas for six, which I posited as a spiritual sequel
to Around Robin, started at the same month that Round
Robin ended.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh yeah, look at that. Look at that, there's our
Wolverine fifty. What if Phoenix rose again? What the number sixteen?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, it's only Guardians and Wolverine and I guess amazing
Spider Man if you count that right.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Let's take a look real quick.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You see there was a Silver Surfer down there that
looked a little all right here, this one, I guess
it wasn't so, but it happens, silver Surfer on it
alphabetically it was elsewhere. When we did this for Wildcats,
it was I think issue seventy five of Silver Surfer,
which definitely had a gimmick cover that was pretty I
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mean that month and what was October ninety two. Yeah,
there was a lot of Marvel gimmicks at that point.
All right, let's take a look. We're heading to DC
real quick, just to see what is this. Let's take
a look and see if there's any gimmicks sitting over here.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
This looks odd. I don't know what the heck is
going on there, Doctor Fate was going to say, and
I don't see anything. Series Info series gallery doesn't say
anything specific about that, but okay, what else we got? Oh,
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there's the Military Christmas special Robin two. Robin two has
all those hologram cards on the front, and then that
has two variants Robin three Robin two number three, five, six, seven,
And nothing else is sticking. Well, I mean DC's got
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a I mean Robin two. That series had some hoo
covers on it.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Should we do the comments on the pole? Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, did we get some?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
This one actually had a handful.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, besides the ones pointing out that it's not.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
There were plenty of those, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I not remember seeing this, so I remember them giving
you a hard seat.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Usually when we post the poll in the podcast group,
it doesn't get much of a response, But then when
you post it in the Unspoken Decade page that's why.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's when the votes go up and there's quite a
few more people.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah, and that's what people comment. So Craig.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Patrillo, I don't know how to pronounce that last name.
He says, poor choices, as there's much better ones, but
you have to go with the color forms. I think
that's what he's saying, is that's okay, So disagree I mean,
but hey, everybody's a title their opinion.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
For crying out loud, It's like, yeah, more than one. Yeah,
we're going to have a few more polls, bro, we'll
get there, trust me.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And then Michael, of those, I think the Eclipso cover
and the annuals and series to follow is the most
cool and relevant.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And then Mark Ramier another Eclipso cover. The Eclipso cover,
as annoying as it was for storage, due to its
profile with the gym, was unique, imo, and I.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Loved it for that, okay.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And then Tony Hopper says I still have Wolverine fifty
in my.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Long box now. Wolverine number fifty. Logan is on a
relentless quest to uncover the truth behind his mysterious past.
The story begins with him charging through city streets on
his motorcycle, storming a corporate building to confront Shield about
a covert operation tied to his fragmented memories, ignoring protocol,
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and plowing through bureaucratic well here's that word again, bureaucratic resistance.
Logan ultimately forces Nick Fury to hand over a classified
NSA file tagged with his name, an act that triggers
alarms within hidden government and HydroD networks. A long buried
program code is activated tied to the elusive pest control
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section of the Department of Agriculture, which happens to be
Wolverine's next target. And that's pest control section in quotes.
Logan's pursuit leads him to Windsor, Ontario, with the X
men accompanying him as backup. At a mysterious warehouse, Wolverine
discovers a bizarre movie set like environment filled with surreal
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replicas of settings from his own memories, including a cabin,
a saloon, and a senior prom but inconsistencies make him
question everything, Realizing many of his memories may have been
artificially constructed, Wolverine claws through each set piece in search
of truth. Ironically, the absence of one memory, the cabin
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with silver Fox, gives him hope that perhaps that memory
was real. As Logan digs deeper, he stumbles into a
massive vault door he remembers from hallucinations linked to the
WEAPONEX complex, using a key he retained from his broken memories,
which I don't know how he ended up with this key.
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I assume it happened a couple issues before or something.
But he's got a key to get into this thing.
He unlocks the chamber, awakening Shiva, a deadly robotic enforcer
program to eliminate operatives like Logan. What begins is a
brutal physical confrontation quickly escalates into a psychological war. Shiva
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attacks with not just weapons, but with implanted memory triggers
that unleash every trauma Woverine has ever endured, pain, betrayal,
and loss all at once. Meanwhile, Silver Fox reappears, having
remembered her her own past or the illusionary sets. She
confronts the Professor. We're not talking about Professor X, We're
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actually talking about Professor prof prof Yeah, prof and Hines
are the ones that were attached to pest control, I believe.
Silver Fox reappears. She confronts the Professor, who's been watching
this whole time, watching Wolverine make his way through these scenes,
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and she starts to realize that, oh, you know, hey,
I recognize some of these scenes that he's going through.
She sees the camera, the screen whatever that's watching Wolverine,
and then she starts to realize that even her memories
were manipulated. She is clearly either part of this program
that the prof was conducting. The battle between Wolverine and
Shiva culminates with Logan fighting not just the machine but
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the program itself, declaring that he's more than a weapon
or a beast. With fierce resolve, he tears Shiva apart,
asserting control over his identity, but the damage is both
physically and emotionally. In the aftermath, the Shiva program shifts
to its next target, Sabertooth, while Gene and Jubilee plead
with Logan to save the others on the list. Because
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they found a list with names on it, Wolverine's name
is at the top. Shiva's next car target is the
next one on the list, and that's Sabertooth. Gene and
Jubilee plead with Logan to help save the others on
the list, but the Wolverine that emerges is different. Hardened
by truth, stripped of illusion, and exhausted by battle, he
walks away in silence. Xavier closes the issue with a
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grim reflection, the man reborn tonight is not the Wolverine
they once knew, and whatever lies ahead may be darker. Still,
So there you go that is our synopsis for Wolverine fifty.
I'm going to go ahead and get my notes out
of the way. All right, let's just start with I'm
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almost scrow up a little bit here.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'll point out you mentioned they found the key earlier.
This is the third part of a story.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh, I'm glad you said that. Did I even give
the creative team, right? Yeah, I wrote that at the
top of the creative team forgot to say it Dreams
of Gore Phase three. So yeah, you got a good
point there. So this is probably something that he acquired
in part one or two.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So I actually I would probably have not known this,
but the ASSEMBI fan, you know, on the Unspoken Decade Yeah,
group he posted, I guess it was issue forty eight,
so it would have been the first part fairly recently,
a week or so ago, maybe less, and mentions that
it is the first part of a three parter and
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that it's a sequel to Weapon X.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
The storyline for Marvel Comics presents that very winsor did Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, And then I realized at that point, like, oh, well,
that's this what we're doing the podcast on Wow fifty
the last part. So I read all three parts in preparation.
But you know, there's not a whole lot. You get
the gist of what's going on with this one. There
is a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
In this one, but you get the gist of it.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Okay, So he got that keyp you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
For this door, Yeah, that was in the second part, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Okay, all right, that makes sense. So as far as
my notes go, let's just go ahead and start with
Wolverine driving his bike through a building and being on
an elevator.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Give vibes.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I was like,
this very much feels like true lies.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
He did it strategically.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
He was like, oh, I know they want to expect
me in the freight elevator, I might as well just
push this bike up the stairs. He didn't carry it, folks,
he didn't drag it. He pushed the bike up the.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Stairs, tried to flirt with the lady in the regular elevator.
Don't want them long legs brushing up against the hot
tail pipe. It sounds like he's just, you know, legitimately
warning her, but in the creepiest way possible.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, the ront Wolverine, I mean, I love House of
Vestry make sure he is three inches smaller than everybody else.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Appreciate when that it feels like that was like a
rule back then.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
They it's way more lax.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It seems like in the decades, you know, right, since
the movies came out and he's six foot three in
the movies or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But yeah, the only way that Hugh Jackman isn't the
perfect Wolverine, right.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I love seeing Sylvestri doing some work here. Sylvestri was
one of the first like artists that made me realize
I can appreciate comic book art watching him do what
he was doing on X Men. So it's cool to
see him working on this, which I didn't get a
chance to look. I should have brought it up. But
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was Sylvester. Did Silvestry have a small run on Wolverine?
I would assume he did.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
It was a pretty lengthy run, all right. He was
on X Men first, and then you think he moved
to Wolverine for a while. I had this issue when
I was a kid. I think it might have been
the first Wolverine issue I ever bought, all right, so
I don't know how how long he was early on there.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay, my next note is like, if there's anything that
I learned from this is that Logan cannot trust anything
that's in his head. Now. Granted, I'm not picking up
Wolverine at this time. I'm reading some of the X books.
What Wolverine was a book that I did not get,
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so I had no idea what was going on, But
I knew some of the bigger story vibes as I
was going into this having known some Wolverine issues and
storylines prior to this, so I knew that some of
this stuff is popping up that was a big part
of his history, and now all of a sudden, it's
like it actually wasn't something it could be implanted memory.
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So it doesn't really clear anything up. In my opinion,
it just does nothing but muddy things. At least that
was when I came away with this. I was like, well,
he's just never going to be able to trust what's
in his mind. Aside from the fact that you know,
there's that one moment where he is looking for some
information about a cabin or watching to see if anything
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in that movie set resembles this cabin that he had
spent some time with Silver Fox at and he realizes
that Oh okay, well that's not in here, so maybe
that's an actual, genuine memory, which I have no idea
what happened in the cabin, but I'm glad for him.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Probably have a decent idea.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I wonder if Larry Hamma was the Wolverine robber. He
had a pretty lengthy run.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think this was a response to the WEAPONEX story
that Barry Winsor Smith did, and it was a way
to say, like, well, they've revealed some stuff from his past,
but we want to keep that mystery as hazy as possible,
so let's throw a bunch of other stuff in there
to make it even less certain of what's come before.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
For Logan.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Feel like that's kind of what was going on. I
don't know if that's really what the plan was, but
I was like, chee, Louise, he's walking away with this.
There's nothing he could trust this in his head. Just
because you mentioned was this the time when the X
Men were kind of getting the new series, I was
going to say, you.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Know, we saw it earlier.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I think the X Men issue from this month was
the Omega Red number four right, okay, which, in reference
to our last episode who we recorded Wildcast number four
is a Jim Lee kind of covering himself with that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
It's like the same right is, but different character of
the Wildcats characters.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
The next thing I had here was Jubileese comment about
how she didn't even like staring at a computer scream
with Mario's running across it in his raccoon suit. I
was like, well, now, come on. But then over here,
Jubilee says, those turtles have a pizza warmer in their van.
I think we'd have at least it's lushy machine. She's
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a little upset. I really enjoyed Wolverine letting loose on
this robot Shiva. This battle was pretty good. He could
go nuts with his claws and tear stuff up. Shiva
put himself back together or renewed himself one or the other.
It looks like he renewed himself because there's a.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Bunch of a couple of overrobot bodies. Although I think
Kin says, you just have an onloaded number, and he's like,
oh no, we got a budget.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But so maybe you guys can shed some light on this.
Let's break this panel down here where Wolverine is going
through his trauma. I want to start here. What is
going on here? This looks like Private Eye, Howlett and
Sabertooth or something. Yeah, I had no idea what was
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going on now.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't know if it was referenced before that issue,
but in part one of this three parter there's an
extended sequence where Logan is and bring himself and Creed
in a third person as basically like government agents.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Okay, the other stuff I kind of put together just
because I know some about his path. Here's our weapon
X stuff, here's our hand stuff up here, right, and
then down here just a little bit more of his
history that he was experiencing some of the horrors of war.
And then my final note was, you know, he's Sabertooth's
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problem now, like he's just like, okay, well, I am
not helping that dude. You can Sabertooth could just handle
himself against Siva. So I'll step back. Evan, I'll let
you go next. Man, What do you got here for
this issue?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
See? I must have read it, Like I said, it
found its way into my collection somehow. I loved the
sequence with the bike. That was pretty cool. I did
feel a little lost. I should have done my homework.
Like Chris in general, I got what was going on.
One thing that jumped out to me as a product
of its time was the description of them trying to
sort through all the data that he got.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Oh my gosh, I forgot about that. I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Pages of documentation after the first hundred pages. I had
him run off floppy discs through the photo two shoe
boxes full of discs, and today you'd have it all
on your phone.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
A lot of times, stuff like that fascinates me. I
love coming across that in comic books because it's indicative
of the time that's being written. But yeah, a lot
of times the comic books are all about fanciful technology
light years ahead of where we're at right now. But
this instance, it didn't seem like that was the case.
They were like, no, let's make this an actual, real
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life analog. What would this be like.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
They tried to balance that with some of the far
off stuff, but also trying to make it a little relatable.
I remember the Internet Cafe and Batman and Daredevil.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I do.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I was led to believe that Shiva was a lot
bigger deal, and maybe there's other stories with it, But
I had a trading card, and I was just like,
oh man, this Shiva thing that's huge. Oh hey, I
got this comic with it. I don't know how often
Shiva appeared after that, but they didn't go the route
of actually building it at adamnium, right, I mean, it
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looks cool, But after reading a lot more Wolverine stories
and everything, I think this was one where this was
in the pipeline when they were doing the card set
and they're like, oh, yeah, throw this thing in. It
has to do with Wolverine's past, or maybe it just
didn't catch on, like they were hoping.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
To jump off of that real quick. Here's a fandom,
and we can usually go down here and take a
look at how many appearances for Sheiva.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
For times.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Really Wolverine Origins Volume one, number one, fifty sixty four
and sixty apparently.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I'm glad you brought up Wolverine Origins because next gets
me back on track this issue. Like I said, I
don't remember when I actually read it. It probably hit
a lot harder when it came out, I mean, because
you know, we were, oh, Wolverine's pass is a complete mystery.
We have no idea this is this is huge and
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now it's just like, okay, but was Romulus pulling the strings?
Had he you know, it was Dakin alive at this point.
I mean, I guess eventually, I'm not sure you could
keep that mystery going. I think eventually they had to
answer it. But it sort of cuts the legs out
from some of these older stories. It's still a Wolverine.
It's the mystery, it's the action. But this would have
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hit a lot differently when you knew nothing and yet
you're right, Jesse. It gives you more questions than answers,
but it's kind of like a puzzle box sort of thing,
whereas this were like, well, yeah, but there was this
mastermind who was having him do this, and we still
need to do a show on it just because of
the time travel shananigans. But the X Lives and ex
Deaths of Wolverine was accompanied by an online comic that
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was basically Wolverine's life story chronologically.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's cool to see all that put together. Basically, in
half of that story, he was quantum leaping through his
own life to stop Omega Red from killing Professor X Nice,
So that part of it was cool. But if you
think of this as a product of its time, it's
a lot better. Whereas if you're looking at this, like
where does this fit in with the Wolverine story overall?
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Not that impressive. I mean the art's great, there's great action.
I'm not bashing, and I'm just saying in the context
of what we know about Wolverine, this doesn't have a
lot of weight.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I hear you. I can agree one other notes you
got there.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Some of the dialogue for Shiva was interesting, like, I
have backup systems, from my backup systems, did they just
have a programmer who threw some of his hilarry hamma,
you know, forgotten more about writing comics than I'll ever know.
I'm just saying some of the dialogue with Shiva it
makes me wonder, like, you know, who decided to make
him a little sassy. I don't know a lot about Silverfox.
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I did not know that she was apparently a higher
up in Hydra.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Either that might have been explained in some of those
previous issues. Cool action. You got two good action pieces.
Wolverine infiltrating barging into Shield that was cool, and then
Wolverine going up against this robot. The ending where Professor
X says, whatever Wolverine emerged, I guess if he found
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out that what little he thought he knew was fake,
I can understand that. As I was reading it, I
didn't feel like it was this profound revelation. Maybe that's
just because I knew a lot of Wolverine's past was
faked and things like that. But some cool action looks great.
It hits all the nostalgia buttons. I love those blue
and gold X Men uniforms and even Professor X and
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Jubilee a sporting so yeah, it's nice to see those.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, this must be like there's a moment where Gene
Grace says with that new costume, and I was like,
oh wow, so this Wolverine's yellow must have just dropped
as well.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He was wearing the brown costume until recently.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Right, And I think it because I think he gets
the yellow one in a issue of Spider Man like
adjective the Spider.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Man, he originally had the yellow and blue.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
From the very beginning.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
He switched over to at some point in the eighties,
he switched over to the brown in tan, which is
my preferred Wolverine costume.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
But yet I think a lot of people were happy
to see him back in the yellow and I'm pretty
sure I've read somewhere that McFarland wanted to put him
back in the yellow costume because he liked that costume
and he wanted to draw him in it, so that
happened in Spider Man. But I think the reason that
happened in that Spider Man story is because he was
in Canada and his costume got ruined and he had
(34:44):
to wear his backup or something like that.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I think this is the official change back to.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
The yellow costume, gotcha, Chris Armstrong, not.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
A whole lot that hasn't already been covered. I agree
that this reads a lot differently now than it did
back then. Even going into this in nineteen ninety one,
even coming out of it with more questions than answers,
I think people were probably just excited to get any
kind of hints or anything into Wolverings and like it
(35:18):
being kind of a quasi sequel to a really popular
you know, with the weapon X storyline. The previous two
issues have a lot more flashbacks to him with the
head gear in the wilderness and stuff. Seeing Silvestry do
that stuff was kind of cool, But again, that didn't
happen in this issue. So much was there reference to
(35:39):
Wolverine's birthday In this issue?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
There was a birthday party, okay, seeing I think, but
the mat.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And then there was.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I was saying, with Wolverine's birthday, it's become a thing
that I didn't really know about until recently. That you know,
Sabertooth always makes a point to kill someone that Wolverine loves.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
On his birthday.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Oh yeah, I barely remember that.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And I didn't know if that was something that kind
of started here. Maybe it was in one of the
two previous issues where they talked about it being Wolverine's
birthday or something like that.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
But again, that's not even this issue. It all kind
of runs together. Since I read them all today.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I was very surprised to see Shiva making so little
impact because I also thought he was more of a
bigger deal. Who would have thought cyber would be the
bigger threat to Wolverine?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Right?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
He comes back a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I think he just stopped up in the latest relaunch.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Oh really, Yeah, I remember I have a friend who's
a computer he's an IT guy, and he always gets
annoyed by people using the term cyber. Had you know
and back. During one of the elections, I posted a
picture of Cyber on my Facebook and tagged him and asked,
who is the candidate that's gonna protect us from the
(37:00):
deadly cyber threat? That was something going on. I think
it was the first Trump artillery election. There's a lot
of cyber talk.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But does your IT friend realize the man's name is
Silas Burr? I mean, oh my, I.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Didn't realize that Silas Burr. The Sylvestry pretty awesome. He's
a great Wolverine artist, and there's some really cool stuff,
especially with the Shiva fight in here.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
I like this issue.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It's pretty convoluted, not a lot of answers, but still
if it wasn't a double sized issue like again, that
would probably mean they would be cutting out some of
the action.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
The way the issue.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Leaves Wolverine, you know, Professor X talks about him being
a more isolated version of Wolverine.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Wolverine started out.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
As I remember the X Men, it was. I don't
think it was just as past. It was a mystery,
like he was sort of an I guess and like.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Might have been an evolved Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
But as the character gets more popular, it's his own
solo series. I wonder if Larry Hamma was wanting to
strip away a lot of that stuff and make him
a harder edged version of him, like more like he
was in his early days, and if this was a
way to torture him a more psychologically, not letting him
(38:27):
get any answers, and make him a little rougher like
he was, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
When he first like the X Men and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Right, right, Yeah, Hama's got a run here that he
is not done with by a long shot. The more
mystery that surrounsed this character, the more time it gives
him to write. I guess, you know, and maybe Hama,
You're right, maybe Hama didn't want to provide any answers,
just take him back to the basic, you know, brawler
(38:58):
that he was, and you know a little bit of
mysterious and maybe we but I know that there's you know,
that's just something that's that's part of Wolverine for sure.
All right, let's pick a panel. Evan Bevans, I'm gonna
give you first shot here, buddy. What would be your panel? Pick?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
All right, We're going back to near the beginning page seven,
the third panel, which is Wolverine avoiding the freight elevator
to get his bike up to the higher level, just
pushing it right up at the steps.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I laughed out loud. There might have been a snort involved.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, dude, I remember seeing that. Gone, what is he doing?
Come pushing the dang thing up the stairs. That's a
perfect panel right there. I love it. It's just all
completely blacked out and bump bump, bump, bump bump as
his tires go up the stairs. That's good stuff, all right, Armstrong,
you're up, man? What do you got?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Plus?
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Swiddle it down?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
A lot of good stuff with the action and stuff.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna cheat and I'm gonna go.
Gets page thirty two, the middle panel there where you've
got Wolverine's face and then you've got his mysterious past
all around him with his memories and stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, that's definitely a standout one. He's screaming, he's obviously
in some type of agony here. Great pick, great pick.
I think the one that I had when I was
looking at this initially was this one right here, as
not much but him swinging on Shiva and just opening
(40:35):
him up This is the classic wolverine using his claws
to slash tear somebody apart. That's the one that stuck
out to me when I was reading this. There's another
good one here. This one is awesome where Siva's kind
of standing above Logan as he's laying on the ground.
Sheva again, just like you said, he looks like he's
going to be a big deal. He looks like across
(40:56):
at cards, looks like it looks like he's like influenced
by a nihilist in some way. It's what he reminds
me of a little bit. But my goodness, I don't
know how much more spikes you can get sticking off
your armor. You don't want to touch Shiva, that's for sure.
All right. Well, there it is, ladies and gentlemen. We
(41:17):
have done it, and did it at the same time
we have covered Wolverine number fifty as Gimmick cover Summer continues.
We're going to have more polls out there for you.
We appreciate everybody participating and look forward to you guys
selecting more stuff for us to talk about in the
future months. Let's get into plugs, evid bebbits. You got
(41:39):
the floor here buddy.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
If you like what I have to say about comics
but are annoyed by the sound of my voice, you
can check out my blog at astorisk fifty one dot
blogspot dot com. Working on a few different things in
conjunction with the One World Under Doom crossover. I've looked
at another time Doom took over the world and another
time Doom informed his Zone Avengers. If you don't have
(42:03):
enough Elsea, Bloodstone and Stingray in your life, I've got
a couple issues for you that may be able to
scratch that. Itch. Also venture into movies occasionally, whether it's DVDs.
I've been able to pick up a dollar tree or
slowly rewatching the Godzilla movies or watching them for the
first time. Just a little bit of everything, So check
(42:25):
that out.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Evan Bevan's plugs are done. Chris Armstrong, You're up next.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
You can find me on Twitter, Blue Sky and Instagram
at Brodie Mean thirty four.
Speaker 6 (42:38):
I also have another podcast, I do Noboddy aj Or.
We talk about direct video and made for TV movies
called small Screeners, and we also have another movie podcast
called Because Movies. You can find those on your podcatcher
of choice.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Silas Burr, Silas Burr unbelievable. Yeah, Hey, ladies and gentlemen,
go check out the Source Material Comics Feed on YouTube
or any podcatcher of your choice. Listen this show right here.
Unspoken Issues is an affiliation with the Unspoken Decade. Check
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on any comics of any era, so if you want
to check any of those out, you can. I think
(43:36):
right now, Mark and I are in the middle of
finishing up our discussion on Sons of Anarchy Redwood original.
If you're Sons of Anarchy fan, this is a prequel
written in comics. Comics are good for telling a story
and it may not have been able to make it
to TV or the big screen, so that is definitely
something you can check out. And then of course Evan
Bevans and myself discussing Marvel Snap. If you have a
(43:59):
mobile vice, you can download the game Marvel Snap and
me and Evan will tell you about what happened the
previous season, what's going to be coming up on the
next season, and then we're also going to be hitting
you with a top five. We may also hit you
with a tier list, what we unlocked and meta discussions too,
So we had a lot of fun on that podcast.
Drop about four or five episodes a month. Check it out. Well,
(44:22):
that being said, give it cover. Summer continues. Check us
out next episode. Watch for more polls. They'll be on
the Unspoken Decade site and the Unspoken Issues Facebook site
as well, so to keep an eye out for him.
We're out of here. That's seven Bevans. Chris Armstrong's over there.
I'm Jesse Starter, have a good one bye bye.
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