October 1, 2025 • 47 mins
Join us on The Spin Chicks Podcast as we sit down with Casey Manning - South Carolina Hall of Famer, trailblazer, and Gamecock legend. From growing up in Dillon, SC to winning the ACC title, law school, life as a judge, and 30+ years behind the mic as a Gamecock radio analyst. He talks about what it was like playing in the ACC during the Gamecocks’ rise, how college basketball has changed over the decades, his legal take on NIL and the future of college sports; and why he still hasn’t written a book (yet!) Don’t miss this rare and inspiring conversation with one of the true greats.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey Erica, how are you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. It's another episode of
The Spin Chicks, our sports and pop culture podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes it is. So we've got some news breaking news
on a former Spin Chick guest two parter last year,
I think season two or maybe late season one, and
Natasha Hastings is going to be inducted into the South
Carolina Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh no way, I did not see that. Well, that
is a wonderful honor for her, so well deserved.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, two time gold medalist, six time World Championship participant.
I texted with her the last couple of days and
I told her I will be there.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh that's good. Be another trip, cool trip to Colombia.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I know that the Hall of Fame is kind of
near and dear to your heart in your own profession.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, I love the Hall of Fame and just the
whole process, just whether you're doing it at a school,
a conference, in any organization. I think it's just such
a cool thing just to have that type of award
and just to reconnect with people after they've you know,
especially if you're a former student athlete. So it's it's
been great just in my experience, especially letting people know
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and then kind of celebrating them through the year. So
I can just imagine this is exciting for her and
she's going to have a great year, just kind of
enjoying and looking back on her career and gosh, we
all already know she's doing wonderful stuff now, so that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, So I bring up the Hall of Fame because
our guest today is also a member of the South
Carolina Hall of Fame, was put in twenty eighteen. So
like I said, he's our fourth, he'll be our fourth guest,
So I guess we're kind of a USC Homer podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Hey, that's okay. There's a lot of great people, you know,
and it always makes it interesting. So I'm looking forward
to talking to Casey Manning today.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
He is a member of the Gamecock Radio Network for
men's basketball. He's been an analyst with Gamecock Men's Basketball
for thirty two or thirty three years, so quite some time,
quite dedication. He is the longest term current member on
a radio crew in the SEC in the Southeastern Conference,
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so he has definitely seen his share of basketball. In
addition to playing basketball.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That he also has another career.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
He was a judge yep, a lawyer and a judge,
and we're honored to have Judge Casey Manning with us.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, welcome Casey Manning to the spin Chicks. We're thrilled
to have you here. Finally.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, I'm so happy to be here, Rachelle and Aerica.
We've been talking about this about sixteen and a half months.
I do believe.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yes, I know, I asked you quite have been a
time ago, but you've been. You've been rather busy most recently.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, I feel I could be busy.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Busy, busy, yes, very busy at the courthouse was getting married?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Congratulations?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Oh that was that was That was August, the second
we got married, and the Ada half of James courtroom,
that was she was my administrative for twenty years and
two months. And they named the courtroom in her honor.
Where your friend Maybeth wanted to have wedding boughs. That's
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what we did.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yes, and I hear the ring that you got is
beautiful and you were just the best groom ever. So congratulations.
Were excited to have a bit of breaking news on
the spin Chicks today.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, it's been interesting living with Missus Manning the last
three days, so we'll see. Yeah, everything falls from this
point on.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, congratulations to the Missus Manning. So let's just jump
right in. So you grew up in Dylan, South Carolina,
and that's everybody knows. That's not not BUCkies, but the
place that's near there that kind of is Bucky's baby
age south of the Border, That's what I was thinking of,
South of the Border. What age did you start playing basketball?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What were you always a basketball player?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Eleven or twelve? But I mean, you know, every kid
growing up in a neighborhood played something from the time
there were five or six, but basketball really didn't start
playing around eleven or twelve, you know, but everybody played,
you know, plays when the guys, the guys played with
the girls. So you know, it was a nice, tight
knit little neighborhood in Dylan, South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Awesome. So you were the first black athlete at the
University of South Carolina and you were recruited by a
lot of different people. I know Terry Holland recruited you
at Davidson. How did Frank maguire ended up signing you
and what did it mean to you then and now.
But let's just talk about how he ended up signing you.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Do you mean at the University of South Carolina? Correct?
I missed the question earlier. Some troubleshooter problem.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Troubleshooter problems.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What did you say?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Okay, so you were the first black athlete at the
University of South Carolina. I know you were recruited by
lub Oh you weren't.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So played on the baseball team in nineteen sixty seven. Okay, okay,
And nobody knew about this for a while, and somebody
went back and traced the records, and Ray Tannel, the
former athletic director, came in and had a big celebration
on his behalf. He was an engineering major and he
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couldn't his studies were more important than playing baseball, So
he dropped baseball and concentrated on being an engineer and
he became the world famous engineer. Actually, oh, okay, in
nineteen sixty nine, and ask your question. In nineteen sixty nine,
I signed as a basketball player. He's got a Jackie
Brown answer. Eugene Brown that signed as a baseball player.
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And Carlton Haywood from Macon, Georgia signed as a football player.
So three of us came in together in nineteen sixty
nine baseball, football and basketball.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So talk about Frank McGuire recruiting you, what was that like.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Well, Frank McGuire was, you know, a tough Irish scout
for New York. Really interesting. Actually he was very good
friends with Alan Shafer, who owned Soop of the Border. Okay,
and every year the first trip the team would make
would be the Dylan South Carolina and put on a
clinic at SAP with the Border. Sign met coach McGuire
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when I was a sophomore in high school, the first
year I played high school basketball along with a bunch
of old players back from nineteen sixty five on Al SALVADORI,
Gary Gregor, I could go on and on so England.
If I signed with South Carolina, I was familiar with
the team from nineteen sixty five. Off that makes sense, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well surely that meant a lot to you back in
nineteen sixty nine to be a part of that group.
But looking back, I mean, what does that mean to
you now?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
About the same as it meant then. Actually, my first
choice was not the University of South Carolina. It was
Davison College and left the Drive. Zella was the coach
at Davison, and I developed a very close relationship with
Lefty and Davison was a great school at the same
distance from Dylan up in Charlotte as usc wes from
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Columbia to Columbia and then but in nineteen sixty and
I left the Grazill and offered to coach at Maryland
the Terrafins. So he left Davison to go to Maryland.
If he had stayed at Davison, that's why I went
gone to school.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Did you know going to go to law school when
you were when you went to South Carolina or did that?
Was that something that came up?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Originally when I'm ninth grade, I wanted to be a writer, Okay,
but I read about all these writers. I said, you know,
that's a tough life. You know, you end up in
some in some boarding house of what growing the room
was up. So when tenth grade is when I decided
I wanted to be a lawyer. So I does not
I want to be a lawyer in tenth grade?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That might chuse yep, So you played in the ACC.
South Carolina was in the ACC at that time. They
won one ACC title. What was it like playing in
the ACC because everybody knows South Carolina now as being
in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well, uh, you got to remember that we went undefeated.
The team did, and I think it was nineteen sixty
nine when I was a freshman or the year before that,
and I went to a regular season title in the ACAC.
Then we won a tournament in nineteen seventy two when
we beat North Carolina the last second shot in overtime
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with Dean Smith and all that. And of course Dean
Smith was Frank McGuire's assistant with coach. McGuire was at
North Carolina when he won a national title in nineteen
fifty seven with Lady rosenbrog Am, I talking too fast.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
No, we're just writing all this down. It's good.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'll tell you what. South Carolina was hated in the
ACC because Frank he leaves North Carolina. He coached the
Philadelphia war it's Frank mcguarded for one year nineteen can't
remember sixty is reported the year that Wilt Chamberlain averaged
the fifty points the game was McGuire was his coach,
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and then the Philadelphia Warriors moved to San Francisco, okay,
and coach Magua did not want to go live in
San Francisco. A year so later, I think it was
in nineteen sixty six seven when that range where he
took the job at the University of South Carolina. Cool.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So, who were some of the top players that you
played against when you were at South Carolina?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You saw were the top players that you considered top players?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Okay, Well, Charlie Davis that people don't remember, played at
wake Pass. He was a sational guard. Yeah, Bob Michael
do who played one year at North Carolina. It was
Dean Smith's only I guess junior college transfer. But Michael
was from North Carolina, so, I mean he was a
good player. And then there's so many good players I
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can name. I mean we played Marquette, uh and of
course Almagua I was played for coaching guard at Saint
John's and they had to guy in Jim Jones, who
was a good player. I remember playing against Notre Dame
maybe my junior year. Give me my senior year when
Adrian Dantley was on the team, for example. There's a
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getting Bill Shaper. They played for Saint John's. We always
played in the Ecac Hollow Festival. So we always went
to New York every year around Christmas time because there
are so many players in New Yark on the team,
if that makes sense. So but I remember get a
Bill Shafer, real good player from Saint John's. And there's
several other players I could name that we ran into
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over the years. But uh, what sticks out is really
Baker Do And you know, Charlie Davis was a sort
of a great underrated player for Wake Warus. He was
a sensational guard and I remember I had to guard it.
You know, we played them so.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So you know, we talk about all these great players
that you played against. Your team at South Carolina was
loaded with players itself, Kevin Joyce, I'm not sure Bobby
Kremens was part of that crew.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Crimins, Well we're a freshman, of course.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Everybody knows John Roach. He was playing the year in
the ACC two years in a row.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And then it was Kevin Joyce who played on the
nineteen eighty two Olympic team first team All American. This's
Brian Winners and everybody remember, and you know we have
Alexander the great alex English that started every game for
four years, never missed a minute of any game, and
sort of below the radars a college player, but probably
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the best University of South Carolina pro we ever had.
I think he's the only he's the only South Carolina
player to send the Inn Bay Hall of Fame, if
that makes sense. Now, he had a sensational career at
the league in scoring for three years. I think it
was that he's a different of mine. We were roommates too.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, and he's in the he's on the board of
trustees for the university as well, so it's very successful.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
His second term on the board, Governor Hodges twenty years
ago appointed him to an unexpired term. He served that
out and then governorment Master appointed him to another unexpired term,
and then he ran for a four year termed about
three years here. I think it is so but it's
been I mean, a local guy and that's always important,
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you know. I always think about Asia Wilson when I
think about Alex because they're both from Columbia, and it
means so much, not only the school, but the neighborhood
in the community. When somebody one of their own goes
to the university of some place, it's like you live
in Queens, you go to Saint John's. If you live
in la you go to U C.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
L A.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I mean, and that's sort of like what happened with
alex in Asia. If I can throw her name in there.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Also, yes, also just recently put in the Hall of Fame.
She's going to join you in the USC Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I had the privilege of bodygu.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Can you.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
How many college players have a statue in front of
the coliseum and she does so that's a very unique
thing based special player.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That is, Can you tell us one of your favorite
memories just from playing back in the day he was?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That's kind of hard to sink us. It was a
lot of great memories. One of the favorous would be
obviously winning the ACC title against North Carolina one second
on the clock that he got Lee Deadman a seventh footer.
He was jumping against Kevin Joyce who was sixty three
and George Carr was on that team alone and got
named Dennis White. But make clung story short. It was
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one second on the clock, okay, and Kevin was jumping
against Lee Deadman a seventh footer, and I remember vividly
because I had to jump ball against Lee Deadman when
we played in Columbia, South Carolina, and I didn't try
as hard as I could have, and I almost got
the tip against Lee Deadmin. So I had a good
positive feeling that Kevin Jeyce would get the jump he
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did and Dane Smith didn't have anybody behind us guarding
our goal. And so when Kevin got the tip, only
caught the ball, turn around, laid it and we went
by at one point. I think you two points. Well,
that's that's a great moment that we live in Carolina history,
and that's one of the best you can have beating
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you know, North Carolina UH in the tournament and first
tournament championship. Southal had UH. And that's a special memory,
you know, not just for me, but for everybody on
that team and everybody that's connected with the University steel
That's a great.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And that must have been was that game at in
Chapel Hill.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
That was in Greensboro, Greensboro.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I was gonna say, because you you think they might
have a quicker buzzer if it was in Chapel Hill,
if there was one second left on them, I'm sure, yeah,
they'd had a much quicker buzzers.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Mostly the champions I don't think there was an AC
championship played outside of the state of North Caroline to
like the nineteen eighties. The first one was played at
cole phill House, but every year. I mean, what an
advantage for the Big four North Carolina to have the
tournament basically in your backyard every year for like forty years.
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However long.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So you told us that when you were younger, you
had wanted to go to law school. So when your
basketball career was over, how did that, I mean, you
still wanted to do that? How did you decide? Like,
where did you go to law school? And how was
that for you in building a career?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, I decided to take a year off between college
and in law school, and I worked as a sled
agent a state detective for a year, and then I
went to law school. And after I finished law school,
I decided that I would to take a little time off,
got a job at the Grand Canyon, worked as a
desk hurt at the Bright Angel Hotel, South Real, and
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then after that I went to Los Angeles and worked there.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Are you serious with this or you just pulling her leg?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, I'm making this up. Michelle, of course I'm serious
and uh so at any rate, So I was he
gonna go to Los Angeles for a couple of weeks.
You know, you finished lawsky, you take the bar exam,
it takes you three months to get the results back.
You take it in July, you get the results back
in November. So I mean, what do you do between
July and November? So Sid, I have a brother that
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with in La talking about every day still. But I
had experienced as a sled age and so I got
a job as a detective with Stearns and Signs Andation
in Los Angeles, California, six one sixth Westmoreland, Rightolf Whistle Boulevard.
That did it for a while between after law school,
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before I get the bar exam and all that. But
I ended up staying in I like for two years. Yeah,
and then I've had a check in life, Michelle.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And I guess so I had no idea about this.
So then you've been you were on the bench for
thirty years or so, I.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Think it's twenty eight year, five months, six as in
thirty seven minutes it was. It was over. It was
over twenty eight I.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Feel about my job some days and you know, you
know it was.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You know, of course I've had two jobs, as you know,
the whole time. And I always tell kids or somebody
You ever hear a kids say, I want to grow
up to be Pontius Pilot. No, but I mean, it's
a very interesting job. It was very rewarding, very fulfilling,
and I enjoyed every man ended up being on the
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bench for those decades.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Actually, what was your favorite part about being a judge? Like,
I know it's a weird question, but like, what are
a couple of things that you really enjoyed, Like the
interaction people, the relationships.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You know, it was a pretty good warrior that people
don't talk about. And being a good lawyer helped me
to be a better judge, I think because you know,
I had prosecuted and dependent, I did civil I did
a little bit of everything will probates contracts as a
solo practitioner in my hometown for like five years, as
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well as a part time city prosecutor. So when I
went to the bench as a judge, a circuit court judge,
I had a wealth of experience. There's rarely anything I
ran into I hadn't already done as a lawyer and
the ability to be able to solve a problem and
help people is really the most rewarding thing about that job.
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And you help some people by saying no, and you
help some people by saying yes. It's not always you
give them what they want. But it's very special to
be able to help people, if that makes sense, And
that's one of I can't say enough about that, but yeah,
that's that's the best part of that job, is you're
in a position to help people.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It sounds like it was similar to your job that
you had at the Grand Canyon where you worked as
a front desk clerk.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Well, it's very family. You meet somebody uh uh Misi
Yama Choko's some uh oh. You had a lot of
world visitors in the Grand Canyon all the time, and
you learned to deal with you know, at an old age.
I mean I was out of walls. I worked at
the Grand Canyon, you see. But you meet people from
Sydney and Tokyo and aus just all over the world.
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And it's the seventh one of the seventh Wonders of
the world. And the South Rim is just a terrific place.
And you know, I enjoyed my state I didn't say that.
It long for a couple of months, so I went
to Los Angeles and became a detective.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So we're going to talk a little bit about your
second job, as if being a lawyer and a judge
wasn't enough to fill your time. You are also a
radio analyst on the South Carolina the Game Cap network.
So can you tell us how you got involved with that?
I mean, naturally you're a basketball talent, but how that
came about.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, there's a guy, I mean Fulton, who was a
voice of the game Tops for forty three years and
I got to know him because he was really good
friends with coach McGuire and all this. And I met
him when I was a sophomore in high school too.
And so host Communication bought out for rights to broadcast
care a lot of games and they wanted to make
a change, and so Bob Buote came to me and
asked me, would I do it? Well, you know, I
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don't know, maybe, but Bob Pulton was really the reason
I took the job because I was very friendly with him.
And that was thirty three years and thirty three years ago,
and I had to work with sids like Michelle Schmitt
and people like that at the university, and probably about
six different sids, how different coaches Eddie Foegler working Eddie
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Foger and Dave Odham of course had a nice conversation
coach told him, and then Horne and Frank Martin and
I La Motte Paris. So I've been around a long
long time, but I really got involved because invited or
asked me to do it, and I knew him very
well and I liked him. So that's how I got started.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Did you read Michelle's game notes before each Oh?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yes, I studied him, like.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I know, I'm not supposed to laugh on the mic Yeah,
I could tell that. I could tell he's playing like
poker right there. You had like a poker face on,
like I wish people could see the face he just
made like she wrote game notes.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I guess I read them.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Michelle did a good job. I can say that now.
Do you want me to say that, Michelle, you did
a wonderful job.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yes, we're good friends, so I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Years doing Odam's time, right.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, yeah, uh, seven or seven or eight years. I
was there the whole time. Odem was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we won two n I T so I must have been,
you know, sort of lucky.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
You can ask me a question about coaches. You're gonna
ask me.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh yeah, we're going to ask you. We got lots
of questions. We got lots how much? How about how
much has college basketball changed throughout your radio career? Could
you pick two or three of the top changes.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Well, obviously a three point shot makes a big difference.
Kids now are more athletic, they're faster. Back in the
day when I played I graduated nineteen seventy three, there
are very few basketball teams that consistently had a weight
programer lifted weights. But now everybody has a weight trainer
and this and that, they have a dietitian. But it's
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changed for basketball, like you schani. Other sport it's been
a metamorphousis where people bigger, stronger, faster and better. You
can watch more film now. You know when I came along,
you wanted two games on a week. You can YouTube
anything you want, so technology it's been one of the
big changes in athletics in general, let alone basketball, but
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the ability to to see other players put h without
a scouting report, the ability to go back and look
at your own practice, film sessions, and things like that.
So I know you probably didn't expect to that. But technology, generally,
it's made a different in basketball than any other sport
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you can think of them out.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I totally agree with you. I mean, you look at
the changes in baseball with you know, the ball leaving
the bat and the ball leaven the pitcher's hand and
all that. In basketball, they have some of that similar
technology in their own game. So yeah, I mean lots
and lots of changes. So who are you know you've called? Gosh,
we won't even count how many games you've called. If
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there's average of thirty games, probably called close to a
thousand games, I would say I would.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I would guess. I try to think about it, Probably
over one thousand second year last year, and I missed
three games in thirty two years.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
A lot of games.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
So who were some of the top players for USC
that you can think of? I mean, you're gonna name
some current ones, but who are some players you know
in thirty two years you've seen some really good ones.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well, I do players before that? Grady Wallace I mentioned
who led the nation is scoring back when Wilt Changel
and Elgem Baylor. We're through the top scores in the country.
And but Grady Wallace, he averaged like thirty one point
eight points game lad the nation and a lot of
people don't remember Grady once, but obviously, yeah, he's one
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of them. And I've mentioned some others. But the question
was the top players again.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Or yeah, the top players that that South Carolina players?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Okay, well, you know a J. Mcki for example, he
made quote little mount Rushmore we had I would say
Cydarius Thornwell. Why because he's the only player to lead
us to a final four and if you hadn't have
been sick, who knows what would have happened. Uh. And
and then it's Alex and Brian Wanted, Kevin Joyce, John
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Roach and Tom Owens. Uh, Tom Riker who was picked
eighth overall. I think it was about of New York
Niche when he graduated. Uh, there's been a plethora of
really good player here. You said, Mike Dunlevy can go
on and on and on, But I mean one special
guy besides Alex to be Cidarius Thornwell, and you remember
him very well, Michelle. I mean yes, he was able
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to will the team to victory Warden once. I mean
he was a go to guy and he always came through.
He counted. Yeah, that was a very special year.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well you mentioned coaches before, So what was your relationship
like with the coaches an analyst, I'm pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I didn't. I try to get along on everybody, and
everybody is different. So I mean coaching, why is different
than the coach hold them my coach Eddie Poland Eddy
was very different. Uh. But you know, you know, you
make yourself available if you can help, you can. But
you know, I know one coach said to be one
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assistant coach and said, case, you know, after the season,
you don't come around that much. No, I did not.
I mean, you know, of course I had a pretty
busy athle like too. I mean you know when you
when you worked every day on the benches and judge,
I mean, you know, and and this this is throughout
the year, not just doing basketball season. You know, you
have to make room to do special things. And if
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I was invited, I always showed up. I did everything
I could to help the coaches of the players.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Who what are some of the games that you really enjoyed,
like you have a great memory of playing, Like I
remember when we played Kansas. We started out on a
twelve oho run. Bill self called time out and looked
down at Dave Odom and was like, what are you doing? Pressing?
Like what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
So?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
What are some games that you remember, whether it's Final
four or whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
No. One of the special games is beaten Duke and
Greenville on our way to the Final four. I think
the first six or seven players on Duke, Jason Tatum
and all these guys they went in the first round.
And I can remember especially we were shooting twenty eight
percent from the floor, fourteen percent from behind the art,
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and we're only down by seven points. And Duke was
shooting like fifty five percent for the four and just
as much from behind the art. And I remember telling
Derek Scott, I think was first year we went to you.
I said, you know, we're in pretty good shafe. He said, no, no, no,
But were you only down by seven with those numbers?
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I knew we had a chans And besides, historically Duke
had never beaten South Carolina in the state of lost
South Carolina since nineteen sixty three. So you come back
and score sixty five points. He it'inst Duke in the
second half to win that game. And that's one of
the all time special games that I can remember being
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a part of a calling.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I mean, it must have been cool as a former
game Cock to walk out on the court at the
Final four though and call that game. I mean, they
lost to Gonzaga, but they played a great game, but
that must have been a lot of fun. And like
you said, Scendarius was ill, so who knows what could
have happened.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Well, I put it this way, I think Duke might
have beaten North Carolina twice that year, maybe in the
regular season and maybe in a championship two. So if
you could beat Duke, he had a chance to beat
anybody in the country because that's how good Duke was.
So but but you know, areas being under the weather
(30:01):
against Gonzaga and a couple of flute plays, we're probably
in the championship game. But that was very special to
go out the Phoenix in the final four. Nom of
my grandson who is now be ten. He was a
year old and uh and my son, my daughter in
law was there, my other daughter when was there, and
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it's a very special time for everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
With Don Staley, you know, the great Don Staley at
South Carolina. Would she be successful coaching men in the NBA? Like,
what are your thoughts on that? Everybody always says, why
doesn't she go coach the NBA? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I think good coaches are good coaches, Like I think
at Summit could have coach men or in the NBA
at Tennessee, and certainly Don has the ability to knowledge,
uh to do so now you want to do that?
I don't think so, But I could be wrong, but
I think she's really comfortable where she is. This is
where she wants to be. And you know, I mean,
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you know you have men coaching women all the time,
but usually you don't have a woman. I think we've
had a few assistant women coaches in the NFL and
the NBA, but no, No, I think if you get
at what you do rather whether you're a man or
a woman, I think you'll be successful any place at
any level.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
So your vote is, yes, she would be successful. But
she really likes being at South Carolina and is very
successful there. So let's just keep that train heading down.
Game call Ali.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Whatever, Yeah, that's that's that's my personal feeling. I had
no idea how she really feels. But that's that's my
best guess about the situation.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I mean, you know, so, how excited are you for
basketball season this year? Like? Are you looking forward to?
SEC had a insane, crazy great season.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Twelve out of the fourteen teams made it to the NCAA.
Can you believe that? And South Carolina uls you've got
in today and I respectfully declined to go. But I
mean we lost about five or six games that we
should have easily could have won. One was against Auburn
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when they were at number one in the country maybe
number two at the time. We led Florida the whole
game who wins the national title until four point five
seconds to go? And yet we only won twelve games.
But I tell you it was something special about the
Steam anyway, because of Colin Murray balls. You know, on
a team that only win twelve games, he goes number
(32:36):
nine overall in the NBA draft, and he was a
special player and you know he only played two years.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, and you talk about that game against Auburn, you
know that was supposed to be Colin versus Johnny Broom
And then Johnny got hurt right at the end of
the first half, and.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
So well, let's put it this way. J I Broom
went I think forty second in the draft col Marie
Bolt's number nine exactly. Yeah, Broom was the SEC Player
of the Year, first team and all that. But I
mean the pros, I'm pretty sure they don't know what
they're doing. And I'm very happy for that kid. You know,
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his mother is a lawyer, to know her very well.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Over So, looking at the NIL as an attorney. As
a lawyer, what do you think some positives are that
it brings to the college game. We'll talk about the
negatives in a minute, but what are some of the
positives as an attorney.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, I think players get paid. I mean, you know,
and this is like child labelaws used to be here.
You know, these kids they're doing all the work, they're
earning all the money, but they don't get paid. So
that's a very positive thing about it. Unfortunately, I think
the NC double A didn't have a plan in place,
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So I think things have come back down to earth.
Sooner or later, there's got to be some adjustments. There's
got to be some middle ground somewhere. I mean, you
can't keep playing kids summary eight million dollars a year
to go play for one year at a school or
something like that. But you know, if the kids deserve
(34:18):
to get paid, I think there's got to be some
rules in place. There's got to be a ceiling. That's
got to be a floor. We don't have that yet.
I think we'll get there, but that could be two year,
is three years tom out, I don't know, but things
would come out of way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I remember reading in an article back in February Greg
SANKI asked the men's and women's coaches and the football coaches,
who do you think in a meeting Greg sink he's
the SEC commissioner, who do you think or how many
of you think we should have rules or legislation or
you know, boundaries for this. Every person, every coach raised
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their hand and said we think so. So all coaches
want rules. Kids probably want some rules too, so they
know how far they can go or how much further
they can go. I would guess what's your opinion on that?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
No, I thank you, absolutely right, And I think there
needs to be guidelines and we don't have any right now.
And you know, and I think it's better for everybody concerned.
It's better for the kids, it's better for the coaches,
it's better for the fans to have some idea. What
we had. A guy committed I think from North Dakota
and he committed to South Carolina, but he decommitted and
(35:34):
goes to West Virginia and we know the reason why.
I won't call the kid's name or anything like that,
but you can't blame the kids for doing why he did.
And there's there's got to be some commitment. For example,
there was suggested that, well, if a kid signs the
contract and another school wants to poach him, well another
schools you played the school that he was voted from
the balance of that contract or something like that. I
(35:56):
think we'll see something like that in the future, where
every kid commits to go to one place to commit.
That's fine, but where's the school left when athlete de commits.
I mean, you have a contract, and a contract goes
both ways. So right now it's only working one way,
and that's for the players and not for the school
(36:17):
or the coaches or the fans to a certain.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
So what's it like being an analyst with all those
transfers every year? When you're like, who are these.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Well, you know, you get used to it. We have
eleven new players on our team, and that's not unusual.
Uh actually, I think the Zoo a year or so
ago they had all new players. And this is going
to continue to happen until, you know, until we have
a ceiling, until we have a floor, until we have
(36:49):
some rules in place, and then you know, I mean,
you know, in the old days, you could identify a
kid in the prose of the school he went to,
the college he went to. He's an Off Carolina guy,
he's a year the other guy, he's a duke guy
or something. But now these kids coming into the pros,
you don't know what college they played for because they
played for five different schools. Who are all he played
(37:10):
for a year? So uh so, I you know, it's
a difficult question to answer. It's a good question, and
right now we don't have any answers enough.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Do you think the lack of definitive guidelines has kind
of changed the relationship between the coaches and the players?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Oh? Yeah. For example, you have some players in a
bowl game, Oh, I'm not gonna play because I might
get turned. And there have been examples where kids played
and it didn't help their career, maybe even perk their career. Oh,
you have some players this year say well, I'm only
going to play in the first half. I mean, it's
got to be a certain commitment that goes both ways.
(37:47):
If you're a player, you should play. That's the way
I feel as an ex player. And if you don't
want to play, I mean, don't go on the trip.
I mean, you know, if you only want to If
a player comes a coach and said, well, Coach, I
only want to play the first half, I would say, well,
you can practice clothes and go home and don't play
at all. I mean, that's what I would do. But
(38:10):
there's got to be some middle ground somewhere where that
tail doesn't wag the dog. Right now, we have a
tail wagging a dog yet.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
So at some point, will it be a thing where
a kid wants to sit, whether I don't want to
play in the NCAA tournament, I don't want to get hurt,
or I don't want to play in a bowl game.
Can they sit without getting sued by the school because
they have a contract. Do you see that as something
that could happen.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That's possible, but it's not likely in my opinion, schools
aren't going to They're probably not going to start suing players.
Of course, look at Florida State with the five of
the players. So the coach has been there for like
twenty two years. Hamilton right, love it, Hamblin. So it's
(38:57):
it's it's been kind of crazy, but still as crazy
as it's been the last couple of years. Look how
good the product has been on the field for the fans.
I mean, we have some great football games, we have
some great basketball games. We had a tremendous College World
Series this year. So the players play the fans, they
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get entertained, and let's hope there's some middle ground where
you can work all these things out about in a yo.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, isn't that the best part of it? Though? Even
despite all the noise, it's just like the sport. The
game is so pure on all playing fields, and that's
just what makes it. I think people still just believe
in it and want it to be successful. It's like
the heart of it.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
The football championship this year, Ohile State, they want to
fire the coach because he hadn't beaten Michigan, and yet
he wins the national title.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
You better beat Michigan next year though.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, they spent a lot of money to get that
national title, But so what's a couple of million dollars
here that if you're going to win a national championship?
And you know, the schools with the most money has
always been the most successful one, the blue bets, so
to speak. I mean in football and basketball, and you've
in baseball, So I mean the schools that are good
now generally always been pretty good. Really yeah, I mean
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not again, you have a Cinderella, but a history tradition
still means a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So is the college game better than the NBA now
to watch? Not necessarily the talent, but to watch. Is
it more fun or more enjoyable for a basketball purist?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I think so. I have a lot of friends say
they do not watch the NBA, they cannot stand in
the NBA, or they only want it doing the playoffs.
But you have eighty two games in the NBA and
you only have about thirty two in college. And you know,
most of the college fans they went to that school
that had connection with that school the NBA. And it's
(41:00):
where you, it's where you were born and raised. You
Detroit fan because you grew up in Detroit Yankees fan,
because you grew up in New Yorker, You're you're you're
a Bulls fan because you're from Chicago, and that makes
you get to a certain except But I mean it's
it's not the local intensity that you have a college crowd.
I mean, you can remember high school how excited it
(41:22):
was for those kids. Everybody knew everybody, everybody you went
to the uh the same hangouts, of the same parks
and everything else, and you know, all the parents were there.
And I think high school is still more intense to
certainly than college than in college. Yeah, very good.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes, yeah, So Casey, after we've been talking all this time,
why haven't you written a book about your life yet?
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Well, I've been asked that many times, and actually I
have a book in progress.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Whoa, We've got some more breaking news tonight, a mayor
and now a book in progress.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
This is a trial I had, it said to the
last trial ever had. It was in federal court, and
it was in any usual case, and it was the
first case of his kind one in this state. I
was a defense lawyer at the time, and uh so
I got a transcript of it and I'm gonna write
this book based on this transcript, and that's the first
of like a couple of books about write. And it's
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not just writing about the trials. Like the trial would
be the bridge, and the colins underneath would be how
did I feel that bridge? If that might time? Yeah,
that's what I planned to go. I ever get around
to it, But like I tell my brother all the time,
you know, yeah, I planned to writer.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
My brother is eighty five years old, just published a
book of poems about a year ago, man eight. That
is all right, purposes first book, you know, so right.
Hopefully if things go well, I write more than.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
One book, but we'll be looking out for that. We'll
have you back on the podcast when you get one
of those published.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Okay, that sounds like a fair enough deal to me, ma'am. Anyway,
I join ACA, Michelle. Thank you all for being so
kind to me.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
We got we got one more little section.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
You can't get rid of us just yet. We got
the quick answer, we.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Got the spin cycle. We got the quick answer.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yes, yeah, all right, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Ready?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Okay? Beaches or mountains.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Beaches.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Talk a lot, or be quiet, shut up.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Be quiet. You can't impeach silence.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Okay, okay, this is a tough one, Lebron or MJ.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
I got you to say, m Jo, this is very close.
I mean it's like forty nine to fifty one, because
you know, Lebron probably missed the championship or two he
could have won. If Michael Jordan does not go play
baseball for two years, they could have had eight rather
than six, at least another one. Or or if they
(44:20):
kept Bill Jackson. If they've kept that group together another
year or so, they probably have another championship or so.
But how can you overlook Bill Russell who has eleven rings?
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Kind of hard time, not bad, not bad our Bill Walton. Okay,
so back onto the spin chicks. The spin cycle fiction
are nonfiction.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Nonfiction, all right?
Speaker 1 (44:43):
And last, what's for dinner?
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I never made plays that far ahead?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Okay, Well, Honorable Casey Manning, the honorable Casey Manning. It's
been an absolute pleasure having you. I didn't know I
would laugh this much.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Well, it was so nice to meet you and just
to hear about just an incredible journey you've had from
the time you stepped on the basketball court till write
this very minute. As you're getting ready to write that book.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Well, Eric, that's very kind of you, and Michelle will
say what you just said, and yeah, so I've written
a lot of things. I just haven't written a book
yet over the course of the last thirty something.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Well maybe maybe your wife can help you out with that.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
I've been trying to get her to do that for
a long time.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
All right, Well, now you got to join her with
the cocktail. And thank you again for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
It's you all have me. It's been my.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Place, Michelle. That was a wonderful episode. I truly enjoyed
our conversation with the honorable Casey Manning and then the
fact that he was a newly buddy just got married.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I mean, that's just the icing on the cake, right, Yes,
and I just found out right she's one of my
best friends, and I found out right before we got
on to record the podcast.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So it's pretty funny. But he was fantastic. Sometimes he
goes off on funny tangents or tells funny stories, and
he's a good person to have as a podcast guest.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Absolutely. And I know we talked a little bit about
Nil and I think just his background as a lawyer,
a judge, and he was passionate about just helping people
and being a former student athlete. I mean, immediately my
mind went to, like, Okay, he needs to be on
a committee that's going to help figure all this out.
He would be so wise, and I think there's probably
(46:33):
a number of people who could help in that regard,
but I definitely got that impression.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, I totally agree with you on that one. So
thank you so much to our listeners. We appreciate you,
and make sure you follow.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Us like us, just tune in next time. We've got
some great guests coming up. We are back for season three,
super excited about it, so.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Come on along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
It's Phisic
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Eight.
On the show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey Erica, how are you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. It's another episode of
The Spin Chicks, our sports and pop culture podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes it is. So we've got some news breaking news
on a former Spin Chick guest two parter last year,
I think season two or maybe late season one, and
Natasha Hastings is going to be inducted into the South
Carolina Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh no way, I did not see that. Well, that
is a wonderful honor for her, so well deserved.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, two time gold medalist, six time World Championship participant.
I texted with her the last couple of days and
I told her I will be there.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh that's good. Be another trip, cool trip to Colombia.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I know that the Hall of Fame is kind of
near and dear to your heart in your own profession.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, I love the Hall of Fame and just the
whole process, just whether you're doing it at a school,
a conference, in any organization. I think it's just such
a cool thing just to have that type of award
and just to reconnect with people after they've you know,
especially if you're a former student athlete. So it's it's
been great just in my experience, especially letting people know
(01:27):
and then kind of celebrating them through the year. So
I can just imagine this is exciting for her and
she's going to have a great year, just kind of
enjoying and looking back on her career and gosh, we
all already know she's doing wonderful stuff now, so that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, So I bring up the Hall of Fame because
our guest today is also a member of the South
Carolina Hall of Fame, was put in twenty eighteen. So
like I said, he's our fourth, he'll be our fourth guest,
So I guess we're kind of a USC Homer podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Hey, that's okay. There's a lot of great people, you know,
and it always makes it interesting. So I'm looking forward
to talking to Casey Manning today.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
He is a member of the Gamecock Radio Network for
men's basketball. He's been an analyst with Gamecock Men's Basketball
for thirty two or thirty three years, so quite some time,
quite dedication. He is the longest term current member on
a radio crew in the SEC in the Southeastern Conference,
(02:28):
so he has definitely seen his share of basketball. In
addition to playing basketball.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That he also has another career.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
He was a judge yep, a lawyer and a judge,
and we're honored to have Judge Casey Manning with us.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, welcome Casey Manning to the spin Chicks. We're thrilled
to have you here. Finally.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, I'm so happy to be here, Rachelle and Aerica.
We've been talking about this about sixteen and a half months.
I do believe.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yes, I know, I asked you quite have been a
time ago, but you've been. You've been rather busy most recently.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, I feel I could be busy.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Busy, busy, yes, very busy at the courthouse was getting married?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Congratulations?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Oh that was that was That was August, the second
we got married, and the Ada half of James courtroom,
that was she was my administrative for twenty years and
two months. And they named the courtroom in her honor.
Where your friend Maybeth wanted to have wedding boughs. That's
(03:38):
what we did.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yes, and I hear the ring that you got is
beautiful and you were just the best groom ever. So congratulations.
Were excited to have a bit of breaking news on
the spin Chicks today.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, it's been interesting living with Missus Manning the last
three days, so we'll see. Yeah, everything falls from this
point on.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, congratulations to the Missus Manning. So let's just jump
right in. So you grew up in Dylan, South Carolina,
and that's everybody knows. That's not not BUCkies, but the
place that's near there that kind of is Bucky's baby
age south of the Border, That's what I was thinking of,
South of the Border. What age did you start playing basketball?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What were you always a basketball player?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Eleven or twelve? But I mean, you know, every kid
growing up in a neighborhood played something from the time
there were five or six, but basketball really didn't start
playing around eleven or twelve, you know, but everybody played,
you know, plays when the guys, the guys played with
the girls. So you know, it was a nice, tight
knit little neighborhood in Dylan, South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Awesome. So you were the first black athlete at the
University of South Carolina and you were recruited by a
lot of different people. I know Terry Holland recruited you
at Davidson. How did Frank maguire ended up signing you
and what did it mean to you then and now.
But let's just talk about how he ended up signing you.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Do you mean at the University of South Carolina? Correct?
I missed the question earlier. Some troubleshooter problem.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Troubleshooter problems.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What did you say?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Okay, so you were the first black athlete at the
University of South Carolina. I know you were recruited by
lub Oh you weren't.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So played on the baseball team in nineteen sixty seven. Okay, okay,
And nobody knew about this for a while, and somebody
went back and traced the records, and Ray Tannel, the
former athletic director, came in and had a big celebration
on his behalf. He was an engineering major and he
(05:48):
couldn't his studies were more important than playing baseball, So
he dropped baseball and concentrated on being an engineer and
he became the world famous engineer. Actually, oh, okay, in
nineteen sixty nine, and ask your question. In nineteen sixty nine,
I signed as a basketball player. He's got a Jackie
Brown answer. Eugene Brown that signed as a baseball player.
(06:12):
And Carlton Haywood from Macon, Georgia signed as a football player.
So three of us came in together in nineteen sixty
nine baseball, football and basketball.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So talk about Frank McGuire recruiting you, what was that like.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Well, Frank McGuire was, you know, a tough Irish scout
for New York. Really interesting. Actually he was very good
friends with Alan Shafer, who owned Soop of the Border. Okay,
and every year the first trip the team would make
would be the Dylan South Carolina and put on a
clinic at SAP with the Border. Sign met coach McGuire
(06:49):
when I was a sophomore in high school, the first
year I played high school basketball along with a bunch
of old players back from nineteen sixty five on Al SALVADORI,
Gary Gregor, I could go on and on so England.
If I signed with South Carolina, I was familiar with
the team from nineteen sixty five. Off that makes sense, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well surely that meant a lot to you back in
nineteen sixty nine to be a part of that group.
But looking back, I mean, what does that mean to
you now?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
About the same as it meant then. Actually, my first
choice was not the University of South Carolina. It was
Davison College and left the Drive. Zella was the coach
at Davison, and I developed a very close relationship with
Lefty and Davison was a great school at the same
distance from Dylan up in Charlotte as usc wes from
(07:44):
Columbia to Columbia and then but in nineteen sixty and
I left the Grazill and offered to coach at Maryland
the Terrafins. So he left Davison to go to Maryland.
If he had stayed at Davison, that's why I went
gone to school.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Did you know going to go to law school when
you were when you went to South Carolina or did that?
Was that something that came up?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Originally when I'm ninth grade, I wanted to be a writer, Okay,
but I read about all these writers. I said, you know,
that's a tough life. You know, you end up in
some in some boarding house of what growing the room
was up. So when tenth grade is when I decided
I wanted to be a lawyer. So I does not
I want to be a lawyer in tenth grade?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That might chuse yep, So you played in the ACC.
South Carolina was in the ACC at that time. They
won one ACC title. What was it like playing in
the ACC because everybody knows South Carolina now as being
in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well, uh, you got to remember that we went undefeated.
The team did, and I think it was nineteen sixty
nine when I was a freshman or the year before that,
and I went to a regular season title in the ACAC.
Then we won a tournament in nineteen seventy two when
we beat North Carolina the last second shot in overtime
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with Dean Smith and all that. And of course Dean
Smith was Frank McGuire's assistant with coach. McGuire was at
North Carolina when he won a national title in nineteen
fifty seven with Lady rosenbrog Am, I talking too fast.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
No, we're just writing all this down. It's good.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'll tell you what. South Carolina was hated in the
ACC because Frank he leaves North Carolina. He coached the
Philadelphia war it's Frank mcguarded for one year nineteen can't
remember sixty is reported the year that Wilt Chamberlain averaged
the fifty points the game was McGuire was his coach,
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and then the Philadelphia Warriors moved to San Francisco, okay,
and coach Magua did not want to go live in
San Francisco. A year so later, I think it was
in nineteen sixty six seven when that range where he
took the job at the University of South Carolina. Cool.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So, who were some of the top players that you
played against when you were at South Carolina?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You saw were the top players that you considered top players?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Okay, Well, Charlie Davis that people don't remember, played at
wake Pass. He was a sational guard. Yeah, Bob Michael
do who played one year at North Carolina. It was
Dean Smith's only I guess junior college transfer. But Michael
was from North Carolina, so, I mean he was a
good player. And then there's so many good players I
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can name. I mean we played Marquette, uh and of
course Almagua I was played for coaching guard at Saint
John's and they had to guy in Jim Jones, who
was a good player. I remember playing against Notre Dame
maybe my junior year. Give me my senior year when
Adrian Dantley was on the team, for example. There's a
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getting Bill Shaper. They played for Saint John's. We always
played in the Ecac Hollow Festival. So we always went
to New York every year around Christmas time because there
are so many players in New Yark on the team,
if that makes sense. So but I remember get a
Bill Shafer, real good player from Saint John's. And there's
several other players I could name that we ran into
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over the years. But uh, what sticks out is really
Baker Do And you know, Charlie Davis was a sort
of a great underrated player for Wake Warus. He was
a sensational guard and I remember I had to guard it.
You know, we played them so.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
So you know, we talk about all these great players
that you played against. Your team at South Carolina was
loaded with players itself, Kevin Joyce, I'm not sure Bobby
Kremens was part of that crew.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Crimins, Well we're a freshman, of course.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Everybody knows John Roach. He was playing the year in
the ACC two years in a row.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And then it was Kevin Joyce who played on the
nineteen eighty two Olympic team first team All American. This's
Brian Winners and everybody remember, and you know we have
Alexander the great alex English that started every game for
four years, never missed a minute of any game, and
sort of below the radars a college player, but probably
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the best University of South Carolina pro we ever had.
I think he's the only he's the only South Carolina
player to send the Inn Bay Hall of Fame, if
that makes sense. Now, he had a sensational career at
the league in scoring for three years. I think it
was that he's a different of mine. We were roommates too.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, and he's in the he's on the board of
trustees for the university as well, so it's very successful.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
His second term on the board, Governor Hodges twenty years
ago appointed him to an unexpired term. He served that
out and then governorment Master appointed him to another unexpired term,
and then he ran for a four year termed about
three years here. I think it is so but it's
been I mean, a local guy and that's always important,
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you know. I always think about Asia Wilson when I
think about Alex because they're both from Columbia, and it
means so much, not only the school, but the neighborhood
in the community. When somebody one of their own goes
to the university of some place, it's like you live
in Queens, you go to Saint John's. If you live
in la you go to U C.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
L A.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I mean, and that's sort of like what happened with
alex in Asia. If I can throw her name in there.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Also, yes, also just recently put in the Hall of Fame.
She's going to join you in the USC Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I had the privilege of bodygu.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Can you.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
How many college players have a statue in front of
the coliseum and she does so that's a very unique
thing based special player.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That is, Can you tell us one of your favorite
memories just from playing back in the day he was?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
That's kind of hard to sink us. It was a
lot of great memories. One of the favorous would be
obviously winning the ACC title against North Carolina one second
on the clock that he got Lee Deadman a seventh footer.
He was jumping against Kevin Joyce who was sixty three
and George Carr was on that team alone and got
named Dennis White. But make clung story short. It was
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one second on the clock, okay, and Kevin was jumping
against Lee Deadman a seventh footer, and I remember vividly
because I had to jump ball against Lee Deadman when
we played in Columbia, South Carolina, and I didn't try
as hard as I could have, and I almost got
the tip against Lee Deadmin. So I had a good
positive feeling that Kevin Jeyce would get the jump he
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did and Dane Smith didn't have anybody behind us guarding
our goal. And so when Kevin got the tip, only
caught the ball, turn around, laid it and we went
by at one point. I think you two points. Well,
that's that's a great moment that we live in Carolina history,
and that's one of the best you can have beating
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you know, North Carolina UH in the tournament and first
tournament championship. Southal had UH. And that's a special memory,
you know, not just for me, but for everybody on
that team and everybody that's connected with the University steel
That's a great.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And that must have been was that game at in
Chapel Hill.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
That was in Greensboro, Greensboro.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I was gonna say, because you you think they might
have a quicker buzzer if it was in Chapel Hill,
if there was one second left on them, I'm sure, yeah,
they'd had a much quicker buzzers.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Mostly the champions I don't think there was an AC
championship played outside of the state of North Caroline to
like the nineteen eighties. The first one was played at
cole phill House, but every year. I mean, what an
advantage for the Big four North Carolina to have the
tournament basically in your backyard every year for like forty years.
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However long.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So you told us that when you were younger, you
had wanted to go to law school. So when your
basketball career was over, how did that, I mean, you
still wanted to do that? How did you decide? Like,
where did you go to law school? And how was
that for you in building a career?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, I decided to take a year off between college
and in law school, and I worked as a sled
agent a state detective for a year, and then I
went to law school. And after I finished law school,
I decided that I would to take a little time off,
got a job at the Grand Canyon, worked as a
desk hurt at the Bright Angel Hotel, South Real, and
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then after that I went to Los Angeles and worked there.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Are you serious with this or you just pulling her leg?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, I'm making this up. Michelle, of course I'm serious
and uh so at any rate, So I was he
gonna go to Los Angeles for a couple of weeks.
You know, you finished lawsky, you take the bar exam,
it takes you three months to get the results back.
You take it in July, you get the results back
in November. So I mean, what do you do between
July and November? So Sid, I have a brother that
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with in La talking about every day still. But I
had experienced as a sled age and so I got
a job as a detective with Stearns and Signs Andation
in Los Angeles, California, six one sixth Westmoreland, Rightolf Whistle Boulevard.
That did it for a while between after law school,
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before I get the bar exam and all that. But
I ended up staying in I like for two years. Yeah,
and then I've had a check in life, Michelle.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And I guess so I had no idea about this.
So then you've been you were on the bench for
thirty years or so, I.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Think it's twenty eight year, five months, six as in
thirty seven minutes it was. It was over. It was
over twenty eight I.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Feel about my job some days and you know, you
know it was.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You know, of course I've had two jobs, as you know,
the whole time. And I always tell kids or somebody
You ever hear a kids say, I want to grow
up to be Pontius Pilot. No, but I mean, it's
a very interesting job. It was very rewarding, very fulfilling,
and I enjoyed every man ended up being on the
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bench for those decades.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Actually, what was your favorite part about being a judge? Like,
I know it's a weird question, but like, what are
a couple of things that you really enjoyed, Like the
interaction people, the relationships.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You know, it was a pretty good warrior that people
don't talk about. And being a good lawyer helped me
to be a better judge, I think because you know,
I had prosecuted and dependent, I did civil I did
a little bit of everything will probates contracts as a
solo practitioner in my hometown for like five years, as
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well as a part time city prosecutor. So when I
went to the bench as a judge, a circuit court judge,
I had a wealth of experience. There's rarely anything I
ran into I hadn't already done as a lawyer and
the ability to be able to solve a problem and
help people is really the most rewarding thing about that job.
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And you help some people by saying no, and you
help some people by saying yes. It's not always you
give them what they want. But it's very special to
be able to help people, if that makes sense, And
that's one of I can't say enough about that, but yeah,
that's that's the best part of that job, is you're
in a position to help people.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It sounds like it was similar to your job that
you had at the Grand Canyon where you worked as
a front desk clerk.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Well, it's very family. You meet somebody uh uh Misi
Yama Choko's some uh oh. You had a lot of
world visitors in the Grand Canyon all the time, and
you learned to deal with you know, at an old age.
I mean I was out of walls. I worked at
the Grand Canyon, you see. But you meet people from
Sydney and Tokyo and aus just all over the world.
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And it's the seventh one of the seventh Wonders of
the world. And the South Rim is just a terrific place.
And you know, I enjoyed my state I didn't say that.
It long for a couple of months, so I went
to Los Angeles and became a detective.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So we're going to talk a little bit about your
second job, as if being a lawyer and a judge
wasn't enough to fill your time. You are also a
radio analyst on the South Carolina the Game Cap network.
So can you tell us how you got involved with that?
I mean, naturally you're a basketball talent, but how that
came about.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, there's a guy, I mean Fulton, who was a
voice of the game Tops for forty three years and
I got to know him because he was really good
friends with coach McGuire and all this. And I met
him when I was a sophomore in high school too.
And so host Communication bought out for rights to broadcast
care a lot of games and they wanted to make
a change, and so Bob Buote came to me and
asked me, would I do it? Well, you know, I
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don't know, maybe, but Bob Pulton was really the reason
I took the job because I was very friendly with him.
And that was thirty three years and thirty three years ago,
and I had to work with sids like Michelle Schmitt
and people like that at the university, and probably about
six different sids, how different coaches Eddie Foegler working Eddie
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Foger and Dave Odham of course had a nice conversation
coach told him, and then Horne and Frank Martin and
I La Motte Paris. So I've been around a long
long time, but I really got involved because invited or
asked me to do it, and I knew him very
well and I liked him. So that's how I got started.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Did you read Michelle's game notes before each Oh?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yes, I studied him, like.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I know, I'm not supposed to laugh on the mic Yeah,
I could tell that. I could tell he's playing like
poker right there. You had like a poker face on,
like I wish people could see the face he just
made like she wrote game notes.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I guess I read them.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Michelle did a good job. I can say that now.
Do you want me to say that, Michelle, you did
a wonderful job.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yes, we're good friends, so I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Years doing Odam's time, right.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, yeah, uh, seven or seven or eight years. I
was there the whole time. Odem was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we won two n I T so I must have been,
you know, sort of lucky.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
You can ask me a question about coaches. You're gonna
ask me.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh yeah, we're going to ask you. We got lots
of questions. We got lots how much? How about how
much has college basketball changed throughout your radio career? Could
you pick two or three of the top changes.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Well, obviously a three point shot makes a big difference.
Kids now are more athletic, they're faster. Back in the
day when I played I graduated nineteen seventy three, there
are very few basketball teams that consistently had a weight
programer lifted weights. But now everybody has a weight trainer
and this and that, they have a dietitian. But it's
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changed for basketball, like you schani. Other sport it's been
a metamorphousis where people bigger, stronger, faster and better. You
can watch more film now. You know when I came along,
you wanted two games on a week. You can YouTube
anything you want, so technology it's been one of the
big changes in athletics in general, let alone basketball, but
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the ability to to see other players put h without
a scouting report, the ability to go back and look
at your own practice, film sessions, and things like that.
So I know you probably didn't expect to that. But technology, generally,
it's made a different in basketball than any other sport
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you can think of them out.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I totally agree with you. I mean, you look at
the changes in baseball with you know, the ball leaving
the bat and the ball leaven the pitcher's hand and
all that. In basketball, they have some of that similar
technology in their own game. So yeah, I mean lots
and lots of changes. So who are you know you've called? Gosh,
we won't even count how many games you've called. If
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there's average of thirty games, probably called close to a
thousand games, I would say I would.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I would guess. I try to think about it, Probably
over one thousand second year last year, and I missed
three games in thirty two years.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
A lot of games.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
So who were some of the top players for USC
that you can think of? I mean, you're gonna name
some current ones, but who are some players you know
in thirty two years you've seen some really good ones.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well, I do players before that? Grady Wallace I mentioned
who led the nation is scoring back when Wilt Changel
and Elgem Baylor. We're through the top scores in the country.
And but Grady Wallace, he averaged like thirty one point
eight points game lad the nation and a lot of
people don't remember Grady once, but obviously, yeah, he's one
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of them. And I've mentioned some others. But the question
was the top players again.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Or yeah, the top players that that South Carolina players?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Okay, well, you know a J. Mcki for example, he
made quote little mount Rushmore we had I would say
Cydarius Thornwell. Why because he's the only player to lead
us to a final four and if you hadn't have
been sick, who knows what would have happened. Uh. And
and then it's Alex and Brian Wanted, Kevin Joyce, John
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Roach and Tom Owens. Uh, Tom Riker who was picked
eighth overall. I think it was about of New York
Niche when he graduated. Uh, there's been a plethora of
really good player here. You said, Mike Dunlevy can go
on and on and on, But I mean one special
guy besides Alex to be Cidarius Thornwell, and you remember
him very well, Michelle. I mean yes, he was able
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to will the team to victory Warden once. I mean
he was a go to guy and he always came through.
He counted. Yeah, that was a very special year.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well you mentioned coaches before, So what was your relationship
like with the coaches an analyst, I'm pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I didn't. I try to get along on everybody, and
everybody is different. So I mean coaching, why is different
than the coach hold them my coach Eddie Poland Eddy
was very different. Uh. But you know, you know, you
make yourself available if you can help, you can. But
you know, I know one coach said to be one
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assistant coach and said, case, you know, after the season,
you don't come around that much. No, I did not.
I mean, you know, of course I had a pretty
busy athle like too. I mean you know when you
when you worked every day on the benches and judge,
I mean, you know, and and this this is throughout
the year, not just doing basketball season. You know, you
have to make room to do special things. And if
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I was invited, I always showed up. I did everything
I could to help the coaches of the players.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Who what are some of the games that you really enjoyed,
like you have a great memory of playing, Like I
remember when we played Kansas. We started out on a
twelve oho run. Bill self called time out and looked
down at Dave Odom and was like, what are you doing? Pressing?
Like what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
So?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
What are some games that you remember, whether it's Final
four or whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
No. One of the special games is beaten Duke and
Greenville on our way to the Final four. I think
the first six or seven players on Duke, Jason Tatum
and all these guys they went in the first round.
And I can remember especially we were shooting twenty eight
percent from the floor, fourteen percent from behind the art,
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and we're only down by seven points. And Duke was
shooting like fifty five percent for the four and just
as much from behind the art. And I remember telling
Derek Scott, I think was first year we went to you.
I said, you know, we're in pretty good shafe. He said, no, no, no,
But were you only down by seven with those numbers?
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I knew we had a chans And besides, historically Duke
had never beaten South Carolina in the state of lost
South Carolina since nineteen sixty three. So you come back
and score sixty five points. He it'inst Duke in the
second half to win that game. And that's one of
the all time special games that I can remember being
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a part of a calling.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I mean, it must have been cool as a former
game Cock to walk out on the court at the
Final four though and call that game. I mean, they
lost to Gonzaga, but they played a great game, but
that must have been a lot of fun. And like
you said, Scendarius was ill, so who knows what could
have happened.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Well, I put it this way, I think Duke might
have beaten North Carolina twice that year, maybe in the
regular season and maybe in a championship two. So if
you could beat Duke, he had a chance to beat
anybody in the country because that's how good Duke was.
So but but you know, areas being under the weather
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against Gonzaga and a couple of flute plays, we're probably
in the championship game. But that was very special to
go out the Phoenix in the final four. Nom of
my grandson who is now be ten. He was a
year old and uh and my son, my daughter in
law was there, my other daughter when was there, and
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it's a very special time for everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
With Don Staley, you know, the great Don Staley at
South Carolina. Would she be successful coaching men in the NBA? Like,
what are your thoughts on that? Everybody always says, why
doesn't she go coach the NBA? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I think good coaches are good coaches, Like I think
at Summit could have coach men or in the NBA
at Tennessee, and certainly Don has the ability to knowledge,
uh to do so now you want to do that?
I don't think so, But I could be wrong, but
I think she's really comfortable where she is. This is
where she wants to be. And you know, I mean,
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you know you have men coaching women all the time,
but usually you don't have a woman. I think we've
had a few assistant women coaches in the NFL and
the NBA, but no, No, I think if you get
at what you do rather whether you're a man or
a woman, I think you'll be successful any place at
any level.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
So your vote is, yes, she would be successful. But
she really likes being at South Carolina and is very
successful there. So let's just keep that train heading down.
Game call Ali.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Whatever, Yeah, that's that's that's my personal feeling. I had
no idea how she really feels. But that's that's my
best guess about the situation.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I mean, you know, so, how excited are you for
basketball season this year? Like? Are you looking forward to?
SEC had a insane, crazy great season.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Twelve out of the fourteen teams made it to the NCAA.
Can you believe that? And South Carolina uls you've got
in today and I respectfully declined to go. But I
mean we lost about five or six games that we
should have easily could have won. One was against Auburn
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when they were at number one in the country maybe
number two at the time. We led Florida the whole
game who wins the national title until four point five
seconds to go? And yet we only won twelve games.
But I tell you it was something special about the
Steam anyway, because of Colin Murray balls. You know, on
a team that only win twelve games, he goes number
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nine overall in the NBA draft, and he was a
special player and you know he only played two years.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, and you talk about that game against Auburn, you
know that was supposed to be Colin versus Johnny Broom
And then Johnny got hurt right at the end of
the first half, and.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
So well, let's put it this way. J I Broom
went I think forty second in the draft col Marie
Bolt's number nine exactly. Yeah, Broom was the SEC Player
of the Year, first team and all that. But I
mean the pros, I'm pretty sure they don't know what
they're doing. And I'm very happy for that kid. You know,
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his mother is a lawyer, to know her very well.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Over So, looking at the NIL as an attorney. As
a lawyer, what do you think some positives are that
it brings to the college game. We'll talk about the
negatives in a minute, but what are some of the
positives as an attorney.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Well, I think players get paid. I mean, you know,
and this is like child labelaws used to be here.
You know, these kids they're doing all the work, they're
earning all the money, but they don't get paid. So
that's a very positive thing about it. Unfortunately, I think
the NC double A didn't have a plan in place,
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So I think things have come back down to earth.
Sooner or later, there's got to be some adjustments. There's
got to be some middle ground somewhere. I mean, you
can't keep playing kids summary eight million dollars a year
to go play for one year at a school or
something like that. But you know, if the kids deserve
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to get paid, I think there's got to be some
rules in place. There's got to be a ceiling. That's
got to be a floor. We don't have that yet.
I think we'll get there, but that could be two year,
is three years tom out, I don't know, but things
would come out of way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I remember reading in an article back in February Greg
SANKI asked the men's and women's coaches and the football coaches,
who do you think in a meeting Greg sink he's
the SEC commissioner, who do you think or how many
of you think we should have rules or legislation or
you know, boundaries for this. Every person, every coach raised
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their hand and said we think so. So all coaches
want rules. Kids probably want some rules too, so they
know how far they can go or how much further
they can go. I would guess what's your opinion on that?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
No, I thank you, absolutely right, And I think there
needs to be guidelines and we don't have any right now.
And you know, and I think it's better for everybody concerned.
It's better for the kids, it's better for the coaches,
it's better for the fans to have some idea. What
we had. A guy committed I think from North Dakota
and he committed to South Carolina, but he decommitted and
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goes to West Virginia and we know the reason why.
I won't call the kid's name or anything like that,
but you can't blame the kids for doing why he did.
And there's there's got to be some commitment. For example,
there was suggested that, well, if a kid signs the
contract and another school wants to poach him, well another
schools you played the school that he was voted from
the balance of that contract or something like that. I
(35:56):
think we'll see something like that in the future, where
every kid commits to go to one place to commit.
That's fine, but where's the school left when athlete de commits.
I mean, you have a contract, and a contract goes
both ways. So right now it's only working one way,
and that's for the players and not for the school
(36:17):
or the coaches or the fans to a certain.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
So what's it like being an analyst with all those
transfers every year? When you're like, who are these.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Well, you know, you get used to it. We have
eleven new players on our team, and that's not unusual.
Uh actually, I think the Zoo a year or so
ago they had all new players. And this is going
to continue to happen until, you know, until we have
a ceiling, until we have a floor, until we have
(36:49):
some rules in place, and then you know, I mean,
you know, in the old days, you could identify a
kid in the prose of the school he went to,
the college he went to. He's an Off Carolina guy,
he's a year the other guy, he's a duke guy
or something. But now these kids coming into the pros,
you don't know what college they played for because they
played for five different schools. Who are all he played
(37:10):
for a year? So uh so, I you know, it's
a difficult question to answer. It's a good question, and
right now we don't have any answers enough.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Do you think the lack of definitive guidelines has kind
of changed the relationship between the coaches and the players?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Oh? Yeah. For example, you have some players in a
bowl game, Oh, I'm not gonna play because I might
get turned. And there have been examples where kids played
and it didn't help their career, maybe even perk their career. Oh,
you have some players this year say well, I'm only
going to play in the first half. I mean, it's
got to be a certain commitment that goes both ways.
(37:47):
If you're a player, you should play. That's the way
I feel as an ex player. And if you don't
want to play, I mean, don't go on the trip.
I mean, you know, if you only want to If
a player comes a coach and said, well, Coach, I
only want to play the first half, I would say, well,
you can practice clothes and go home and don't play
at all. I mean, that's what I would do. But
(38:10):
there's got to be some middle ground somewhere where that
tail doesn't wag the dog. Right now, we have a
tail wagging a dog yet.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
So at some point, will it be a thing where
a kid wants to sit, whether I don't want to
play in the NCAA tournament, I don't want to get hurt,
or I don't want to play in a bowl game.
Can they sit without getting sued by the school because
they have a contract. Do you see that as something
that could happen.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That's possible, but it's not likely in my opinion, schools
aren't going to They're probably not going to start suing players.
Of course, look at Florida State with the five of
the players. So the coach has been there for like
twenty two years. Hamilton right, love it, Hamblin. So it's
(38:57):
it's it's been kind of crazy, but still as crazy
as it's been the last couple of years. Look how
good the product has been on the field for the fans.
I mean, we have some great football games, we have
some great basketball games. We had a tremendous College World
Series this year. So the players play the fans, they
(39:18):
get entertained, and let's hope there's some middle ground where
you can work all these things out about in a yo.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, isn't that the best part of it? Though? Even
despite all the noise, it's just like the sport. The
game is so pure on all playing fields, and that's
just what makes it. I think people still just believe
in it and want it to be successful. It's like
the heart of it.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
The football championship this year, Ohile State, they want to
fire the coach because he hadn't beaten Michigan, and yet
he wins the national title.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
You better beat Michigan next year though.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, they spent a lot of money to get that
national title, But so what's a couple of million dollars
here that if you're going to win a national championship?
And you know, the schools with the most money has
always been the most successful one, the blue bets, so
to speak. I mean in football and basketball, and you've
in baseball, So I mean the schools that are good
now generally always been pretty good. Really yeah, I mean
(40:21):
not again, you have a Cinderella, but a history tradition
still means a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So is the college game better than the NBA now
to watch? Not necessarily the talent, but to watch. Is
it more fun or more enjoyable for a basketball purist?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I think so. I have a lot of friends say
they do not watch the NBA, they cannot stand in
the NBA, or they only want it doing the playoffs.
But you have eighty two games in the NBA and
you only have about thirty two in college. And you know,
most of the college fans they went to that school
that had connection with that school the NBA. And it's
(41:00):
where you, it's where you were born and raised. You
Detroit fan because you grew up in Detroit Yankees fan,
because you grew up in New Yorker, You're you're you're
a Bulls fan because you're from Chicago, and that makes
you get to a certain except But I mean it's
it's not the local intensity that you have a college crowd.
I mean, you can remember high school how excited it
(41:22):
was for those kids. Everybody knew everybody, everybody you went
to the uh the same hangouts, of the same parks
and everything else, and you know, all the parents were there.
And I think high school is still more intense to
certainly than college than in college. Yeah, very good.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes, yeah, So Casey, after we've been talking all this time,
why haven't you written a book about your life yet?
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Well, I've been asked that many times, and actually I
have a book in progress.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Whoa, We've got some more breaking news tonight, a mayor
and now a book in progress.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
This is a trial I had, it said to the
last trial ever had. It was in federal court, and
it was in any usual case, and it was the
first case of his kind one in this state. I
was a defense lawyer at the time, and uh so
I got a transcript of it and I'm gonna write
this book based on this transcript, and that's the first
of like a couple of books about write. And it's
(42:24):
not just writing about the trials. Like the trial would
be the bridge, and the colins underneath would be how
did I feel that bridge? If that might time? Yeah,
that's what I planned to go. I ever get around
to it, But like I tell my brother all the time,
you know, yeah, I planned to writer.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
My brother is eighty five years old, just published a
book of poems about a year ago, man eight. That
is all right, purposes first book, you know, so right.
Hopefully if things go well, I write more than.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
One book, but we'll be looking out for that. We'll
have you back on the podcast when you get one
of those published.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Okay, that sounds like a fair enough deal to me, ma'am. Anyway,
I join ACA, Michelle. Thank you all for being so
kind to me.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
We got we got one more little section.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
You can't get rid of us just yet. We got
the quick answer, we.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Got the spin cycle. We got the quick answer.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yes, yeah, all right, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Ready?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Okay? Beaches or mountains.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Beaches.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Talk a lot, or be quiet, shut up.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Be quiet. You can't impeach silence.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Okay, okay, this is a tough one, Lebron or MJ.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
I got you to say, m Jo, this is very close.
I mean it's like forty nine to fifty one, because
you know, Lebron probably missed the championship or two he
could have won. If Michael Jordan does not go play
baseball for two years, they could have had eight rather
than six, at least another one. Or or if they
(44:20):
kept Bill Jackson. If they've kept that group together another
year or so, they probably have another championship or so.
But how can you overlook Bill Russell who has eleven rings?
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Kind of hard time, not bad, not bad our Bill Walton. Okay,
so back onto the spin chicks. The spin cycle fiction
are nonfiction.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Nonfiction, all right?
Speaker 1 (44:43):
And last, what's for dinner?
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I never made plays that far ahead?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Okay, Well, Honorable Casey Manning, the honorable Casey Manning. It's
been an absolute pleasure having you. I didn't know I
would laugh this much.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Well, it was so nice to meet you and just
to hear about just an incredible journey you've had from
the time you stepped on the basketball court till write
this very minute. As you're getting ready to write that book.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Well, Eric, that's very kind of you, and Michelle will
say what you just said, and yeah, so I've written
a lot of things. I just haven't written a book
yet over the course of the last thirty something.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Well maybe maybe your wife can help you out with that.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
I've been trying to get her to do that for
a long time.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
All right, Well, now you got to join her with
the cocktail. And thank you again for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
It's you all have me. It's been my.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Place, Michelle. That was a wonderful episode. I truly enjoyed
our conversation with the honorable Casey Manning and then the
fact that he was a newly buddy just got married.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I mean, that's just the icing on the cake, right, Yes,
and I just found out right she's one of my
best friends, and I found out right before we got
on to record the podcast.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So it's pretty funny. But he was fantastic. Sometimes he
goes off on funny tangents or tells funny stories, and
he's a good person to have as a podcast guest.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Absolutely. And I know we talked a little bit about
Nil and I think just his background as a lawyer,
a judge, and he was passionate about just helping people
and being a former student athlete. I mean, immediately my
mind went to, like, Okay, he needs to be on
a committee that's going to help figure all this out.
He would be so wise, and I think there's probably
(46:33):
a number of people who could help in that regard,
but I definitely got that impression.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, I totally agree with you on that one. So
thank you so much to our listeners. We appreciate you,
and make sure you follow.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Us like us, just tune in next time. We've got
some great guests coming up. We are back for season three,
super excited about it, so.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Come on along for the ride.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
It's Phisic
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Eight.
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