May 11, 2025 • 38 mins
We celebrate the 20th anniversary of 'Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith.' We discuss our personal experiences watching the film in theaters, reflect on how our perspectives have evolved over the years, and examine the intricacies of character development and plot details. The conversation also touches on the impact of the Clone Wars series, the foresight behind Yoda's actions, and the importance of 'Order 66.' We delve into what might have been different if key characters had made different choices and speculate on the 'what if' scenarios in the Star Wars universe. We also engage with fan theories and discuss the broader cultural impact of the film.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to this. When I went to a podcast, I'm
your health, I'm marking mom with that every time.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Last time I timed it perfect, but this time I
was off byfe.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, it's a working progress that we hear.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
But today we're talking about a great part of the
overarching Star Wars movies, which is Revenge of the Fifth
and it's his twentieth anniversary, which is crazy to think
about because it's been twenty years.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That's crazy. But Margaret, if you went to go sit
in theaters, so how was that experience?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Man? First of all, like you said, twenty years a
revenge of the twenty years, Like I know all the
Baby boomers and Generation X talk about, Yeah, but we
should have bring fifty years almost of a new hope.
Yeah that's cute. No, but we got our twenty years.
(01:11):
But on a real note, it's it's just crazy to
realize how long you've been a Star Wars fan, which,
like I just said, for them, fifty years, forty years,
that's a long time to be invested in something that's
that you never would have thought in a million years
(01:31):
would have such a like hard core fan base. Yeah,
when it came up, I was like it is twenty
years because it was five and I remember when it
came out because my dad took us to see the
first two, one and two, and I was like, Oh,
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it was like, we're gonna finally get to see Anakin,
how he becomes Darth Vader, the whole thing about, Like,
I know what I wanted to see it. I thought
we was gonna get to see Littlegan Layer a little older.
I had this whole story in my head, but I
was completely wrong. But but yeah, man, it's just it's
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dope to revisit these films, to go back and watch
them as an adult, because you have a better a
different outlook on it, and a better understanding of certain
situations that happened in the film, certain motives of the characters, plots,
even plot holes or things that could you felt should
(02:35):
have been set up a little better. But also we
had the Clone Wars, the animated series, to fill in
a lot of those gaps afterwards. So like coming back
twenty years and watching it, it's okay. No, Anakin's turn
to the dark Side wasn't just like that now. It
was a build There was a build up, so getting
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to see it is like, what's the word I want
to use this man. My words are escaping me tonight.
It's like a reward almost to get to watch it
twenty years later. I treat it is it's a treat
like we treated ourselves, Like here's the rapper with the
Clone Wars and then take it off and then there's
the candy. So it's definitely cool, especially to go because
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like you said, I went to the theater to see it.
It was really dope, had like little goose bumps and
stuff because it's for those few minutes. I was like
fourteen again, bro, and I was in there like when
it was like the parts like with Mace Windle a
certain parts, I was like, non, like I know what's
gonna happen, but I was like, no, don't do it.
It's like oh no. I was like, oh the Emperor.
(03:41):
I still can't stand him after twenty and then I
was really all, man, I'm gonna tell you though, who
I'm more pissed with twenty years later. It's the Jedi Order. Yeah,
because I won't say that fully respond, but they had
a part in it because it was like you put
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my man's on the Jedi Council, but you don't make
him a master. And this dude is literally like a
war hero, Like he's fought in a war for ten
almost thought ten plus years, and he done lost his
Patawan friends along the way, his connection with the clones,
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some of the clones he lost, Like he been through
a lot and at a moment of time where he's
really like conflicted, and he's come to one of y'all
and told y'all what's going on with him? And you're like,
you're gonna tell somebody who had lost so much, Oh,
you gotta learn how to let go. Just people die,
(04:48):
let him go, and it's broke y'all not doing a
good job right now and trying to keep this dude
like level headed. So I was like, man, they made
so many little like my new the States that you
never thought about when you was younger. That I was like, man,
if this was if they would have did this or
(05:10):
if this would have happened, No, if they didn't ask
him to do this, which I got why they said
it because they didn't trust the Chancellor. Yeah, and that's
why they didn't want to make him a master. But
I was like, man, y'all are really y'all are taking
a big gamble and it did not pay.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Off at all. I think one of the biggest things
is like when nath Winn, dude, like he told him.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
He was like the way he told him, he could
have had it some other way. He was like, you're
on the council.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But you're not. You don't have the ring.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And I was like, if it was me, dude, it
was me, I'm not gonna be happy about that. I'nna
be irritated. I'm be like, nah, I'm gonna go see
my boy palpa team and that.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And then you asked him to spinal man, I'm like, like,
he's so trust They trusted each other so much.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Because of the war and this out there in that relationship.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Over because when you really think about it, Revenge of
the Fifth takes place at least within eight months or
something like that, just because of the beginning is how
that is pregnant to her literally giving birth nine months
of time and you want to You're like, oh, go
spy on him, your trusted friends. What then, maith Windu
(06:30):
got to kill you just gotta kill Streaking And he
wanted to kill killing just because he knew who he was.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
But Anakin was like, oh, we don't do that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I'm like anakutt like in the Bead of the movie
you killed Count Dooku wouldn't No sweat.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Took him out.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Maith Windu was just following steps. Man, he's taking care
of you.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I'm not leaving this dude alive because I know what
the consequences is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
And boy was he exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
And again we know that you wanted to say you
need to say even because he gave you that that spill,
which is a lie by the way, he didn't know
how to.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Big lie.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And now you suffering because you saw visions of you
killing your wife because that's what happened. You don't talk
about that too.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And I don't people see to talk about the fact
that he was sending to get sent visions of him
POV in his life big time stag it up out
of anger because he fell to the dark side. That's
what led to his wife's death. If he would have
kept it together, he might have been able to change
some things, if he was able to figure out things
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have to work because everything happens the way it's supposed to,
you know what I mean, especially in Star Wars, you
really can't change things.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
As we find out.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And I guess rebels kind of breaks that code because
they do save Ahsoka. But things happened for a reason
unless you have that out of space kind of thing
that you can save things.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But it's a whole nother podcast. We're talking about Revenge
of the Fifth today.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But I don't know what elbie Wan's plan was to
step on board of the ship and go to Musa far.
What was his plan to approach Anakain at that thing?
Like he didn't sit there at the top of the ship.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I don't know what he was thinking. Go ahead, we're
gonna talk, give him a hug, and I wanna say,
come on, Anakin, let's go back, dude, demand just like
off half of the Jedi counts, like the Jedi Temple,
some little kids. He just choked his wife out in
front of you, and he just took out a whole
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room of like senators, and you think you're finna just
come and kumbaya and tell him to come back to
the light side. He should have known on site that
Anakin was finna throw the hands up in this case
that lightsaber, like he should have knew that.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
He should know there was no talking at this point
the fact that he killed younglings. The second I would
have it came with a flight. They were just ignited
because I would have known you killed young My conversation
is not going to get you out of this until
I beat you the where you can't do nothing, and
even then it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And if we're gonna be real, because Obi Wan, come
finish the job. That's what That's why the empire grew. Yeah,
because I'm pretty sure he could have he could have
finished the job, but he let him burn. He let
him burn. I'm just thinking that would have did it.
(09:30):
But I'm like Brot always make sure that the job.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Say double tap, man, double tap.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But I think I don't know because if we look
at Clone Wars, because like in Clone Wars, Yoda does
the visions of the future, and I'm sure Yoda was
like for everything to work the way it needs to
work out and the property to be filled, obi Wan
gotta go there and not kill him, you know what
I mean. And I gotta go to the Dagaba and
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the swamps and there I'm the only survivor here. I
ain't saying none of my friends, but that's a whole
other comfort zone. Who on the podcast. I keep going
to different podcast, but I'm just saying I think that's
why Yoda was like, no, you gotta go do it.
Yoda ain't doing nothing. I ain't going out there and
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gonna kill Anakin, because Yoda could have done it, Evie
and we wouldn't have to deal with this. But Yoda
was like, I gotta live.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
To see Luke.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'most the pawn in this chess game. I'm must spare
you just in case.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Right, A lot of things had to happen for things
to go, but definitely obi Wan was not the man
for that job.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Honestly, obi Wan wasn't the man to be Anakin's master.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He just wasn't. It was always Car he was the
one because he was like that great where he believed
in like the cold, but he also believed and stepping
out and figuring things out another way, tap into your
feelings and God yourself. Like, it wasn't just about oh no,
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you can't do this, you can't do this, you can't
do it. Like everything with Anakin, do it this way,
this is what we do, this is how you do so.
I honestly think in another universe, if Qui Gon was
still around. I think two things. I think Anakin wouldn't
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turned to the dark side him and would have started
a new order. Probably probably wouldn't have went for a
dark side. They would have got rid of the city
is and and now ten times. It probably would have
been another self Lord to come along. But as far
as like the whole empire thing, that definitely probably wouldn't
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have happened. I feel like one but it became like
a grand Master trains from Jedi pad May and Anakin,
but they had Luke and Lea and they could have
trained the Jedi or whatever. But that's it's so crazy
because one one person could have changed the whole outcome
of the story. Like you said, it's all everything's already
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setting stone because the way George did it with four,
five or six coming out, so we already knew. Because yeah,
but it's always cool to think of.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
That, here's my thing and what if going on your
what if thing.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's like we get a what if universe and that happens, right,
But I'm assuming, like because let's say Obi wanbi Qui
Gon doesn't die by Mam Mam becomes the new fifth guy,
and that's the and that's the main guy that'd be cool.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Up to you, Like they fight Ma, mam might get away,
you go get his brother and they just ma does
the whole thing with the Mandalorians, like it could be
a lot to happen.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, honestly, And I'm I'm all fan more than I
am a vader. That's just by slim by the way,
not by much, because this all I just fight the
way Mal fights. He fights so aggressive but calculated, and he.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Taps into the dark side like very well. He knows
his strength and weaknesses when he.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Does exactly like he's very a very tricky uphodent to
be Obi one was good to kill him, but to
kill Annaquette, No, Mall and him have b for sure,
I wish you would have. I'm glad we're getting a
Mall TV show, and I'm glad that we're also getting
the what is it tells the underworld that came out.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Which came out today, came out today technically yesterday because yeah,
whatever beside travels real. But yeah, So going back to
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our w IF world, who do you think what would
have been the chancellor if Papa team is like either
sent the trial execute do you think Patme would have
roll to that order have been somebody else like Bell,
La mom Moor, somebody. You know what I want.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Look, I want to give you my theory answer, and I'm
gonna give you my my my funny answer. Okay, answer, pame, Okay,
theory that the padmey goofy answer.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What's his name? What's his name?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Georgia? Yeah, the power of the Chancellor of the New
Republic and Missa first order is Missa going bumped back
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to numb to get the gun, like he's just doing
some dumb ship like bro.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Do you think the the Star Wars world would be
better or worse with charge as tonight like in comparedon
to the timeline we have now with the Chancellor?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Do you think it'd be better or worse?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The reason they became an emperor because he was like
he voted him to do whatever, Like I was, like
brod the biggest fun up in history. I wonder what
happened to Georgia like during the era of the Empire.
I know it's probably like a book or something or
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comics or something mentioned to him. I just always wonder
what there is.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I think I remember something or it might have been
like a theory or something like that, but they said
that he didn't live a good life or something like that.
It was a theory maybe, Like I remember watching those
like YouTube shorts and they were like, this is what
happened to those stories on YouTube shorts.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
If anybody knows what happened to jar Yard doing the
Era of the Empire, comment below and let us know
because we Yeah, I just thought I was like, man,
what happened to him? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The only thing I know is about that theory. Maybe
I don't know if it's based on it. That's why
I give it faith theory because I don't. I've seen
that short real every everything often because that's it. That's
where my fixation goes sometimes, especially on this day, I
get that.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah. So so twenty twenty years later and watching this
now from a different aspect, knowing what you know, watching
other films and gaining this knowledge from a standpoint, what
are the things that you're kind of like, now you
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could have did with or without that that could have
been done better? And also that was that's still perfect
and it still works.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Here talking about what obviously Revenge of the Fifth he
talking about the.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Prequel, the Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Okay, want to be sure, just want to be sure
because Prequels Episode two need to we need to rework that.
But we could do a whole podcast on that exactly
with three. Honestly, there wasn't anything that I would honestly
change because it all it was better paced than the
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one that came before. The one we came before it
with it need to be like tapered here and there.
But this one, it's my favorite of the prequels. If
you didn't now like I love the movie, like it's
just great, best flights of the Battle of the entire series.
You can fighte me.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
On ever, Yeah, I want an.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I say that.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I say that with words, not with fifth Okay, give
you give me a ton in the comment section.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I don't mean that with aggression. You know, no aggression here.
But I'm just.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Saying, like that fight between Obi Wan and Anakin is
the best that fights, so good that I watched it
every so often, just that part. I think I know
what I want. I think I know what I would
want a little bit better now I think about it
a little bit better with grievous and OI won fight
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like a little bit better on that.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
That means a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It felt like it was like it was we knew
what was gonna happen and it was dead, but it
just felt so out of place, like one to beat
him like that, And I was like, yeah, because they
were trying to make the like slick joke about him
not liking blasters or whatever, but exactly, I just felt
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like it was something more than that. They either cut
or it just didn't work. I don't know, but I
just felt like with Grievous, what we got from the
first animated Clone Wars is what I felt that should
have been. But exactly, maybe the wear and tear of
the prosthetics and all that kind of took a toll
on him, so he wasn't as fast and he became
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more like clanky and slow. So I was like, that
might be why it's cool we got it, it did
what it was supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
But then to do exactly, But I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I just wanted more favorites somehow, like more combat, Like
we got to see the four Favorites, but that's this
is before now, maybe because the Clone Wars came out
after I'm trying to think of the timeline of the show,
like the show coming out.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Three years after because remember eight, that's when it was
the movie, the Wards movie, and then they did the
series right after that, so it was three years ago.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Oh okay, wait they did the first theories after that?
Or did they do the second one the longer?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
The first one was a Guiney Tarkoski I think.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I hope, yeah, help Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
That one was oh three, so that was originally supposed
to be like the filling for between two and three
because that came out before the episode three came out,
So that was it was like what happened in But
then they rehashed it and they did Boloney and George
came out with the Clone Wars, so that even though
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it came out three years after that, that took the
place of what we had the first time.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Okay, that's what I was thinking, because I'm thinking, I'm
thinking being that we didn't have the Clone Wars show
because they came out after the movie. I think that's
why they shot it like they have been fighting, like
they've been fighting for years, they've just been missing each other.
But also the life favorite thing. Also because it's the movie,
it felt like it was the first time we're seeing that.
But that's just how Creevan's fight. So it took away
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from that. The Clone Wars took away from that, the
hype behind that. But I appreciate agreement kind of like
a Coffin joid more than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I like a Coffin robot like.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It was. By the way, was George Lucas actual cough
because he had? Yeah, so they just recorded his cough.
I found it out because I'm like a nerd commentary
behind the scenes stuff, so I used to watch all
the like behind the scenes on the DVDs. Yeah, I
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learned that, and I was like, oh, it is dope.
I know the man probably was coughing his lungs up,
but hold on, George, just do that caugh one more time.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, we got right, we got it.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Now they have like cough takes or whatever, but no,
I like, I know a lot of people don't like
the coughing droid because they did like whatever, but I
liked it. I was like, I drod that cough. I
don't never see that anywhere else, And I was a work.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I think it's for the fact that he used to
be a warrior like a person. He got all these
this fluid like pumping through him because apparently his was
the precursor to what Vader had. They hadn't perfected it yet,
and it probably was fucking up. He probably was going
clocking out soon.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Ob one did him a little favor, clock.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Man, let me help you out real quick. I'm gonna
go straight to the chest.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I also think that we get from that fight, if
like force ability that we didn't really know about, like
the ability to rip that thing open and shoot him there.
It's like using the fourth to strengthen your your muscles
and stuff like that. So that's the first side of
one of the or not first time, but earlier sign
of they were intentionally making these force abilities, even though
they didn't really name it that. Yeah, because I was
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just like, so probably that open man, you gotta have
you gotta be roll it up man. I was like,
oh we want slow man.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah. Man, I will say this too. As far as
I'm a junkie for movies scores and as far as
scoring goes, I think this is like one of the
best scores for all the episodes because man, like the
when they were hitting certain moments like when Anakin fully
went dark side. Yeah, it was standing out on the
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balcony and moves to far with the hood on and
it was rolling out. I was like watching it now,
I was like, man, it hurts. It hurts so bad
seeing it now, like for him and over one, because man,
you just don't want it to happen, but it Happen's
going to happen like it's hurt. So I think it's
like one of the best movie scores. Also, we got
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a dope like movie ty in game from it that
a lot of people probably don't remember if they're not
our age.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Remember the episode three game, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, we got that. What else did we get out
of it? Of course the toys and stuff on the
action figures. I remember it was like a back that
was back when stores took time for movies and built
the whole display. It was like episode three and they
had all the toys and stuff t shirts. So it
was just a different time. And it's cool to see
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twenty years now that it's still a big thing because
they're talking about it's close to getting hitting the billion
mark in the Boom Yeah, which is crazy for a
movie that came out to me.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I just show you how good that movie is, man.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, it really is like you said, it's the best
one out of the prequels, and it's not much that
that you would change. And then I even think the
politics it was on points all three of the prequels
because I think that I think the way they wrote
it and set it up in that movie helped stuff
like and Or be as good as it is because
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it established what those politicians were. Now, I do hate
that they left out that scene when pat May and
like my math most starting to rebellion, because I think
that would have been so cool because it would have
connected made that connection to her and her daughter, like
her daughter was a leader of the rebellion, and it's
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like her mother started the rebellion, So yeah, it would
have It ain't cool, but I get with movies that
some stuff make the cutting board and it doesn't fit in.
But I think that would have been great, just that
little moment to happen there. But other than that, as
a whole, everything worked very well. Some of the dialogue
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it's a little cringe.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Give me example, man, what I'm talking about. I want
to hear it that I want and they.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Like the little condo, I call it a condo. It's
what I'm just so in love with you. Oh it's
love blind or something like that. I'm like, I'm blowing
or something like that. Man, that is not everything. Everything
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is going into that happened, and I was like, that's
probably everybody talks about that line too. We could have
did without that. George, George, we love him, great story teller,
but that dialogue he either hit him miss.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You need to get so he needed to get somebody
to be like a romance writer for those parts, because
even in the second one, the worst part of it,
the second one is the romance is so bad. I
hate say the grain of san Yeah, it's everywhere. I'm like,
this is what this is what this look got you.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It gets harder and harder to watch the old I
get because my patience, bro, I gotta go through this,
and I just skipped to the end and then get
the three. But nah, man, so be as far as
like that, you have anything else to add to it?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Twenty years in honestly, not to add to that, but
I think I think if we keep going like we
keep going the paper, we're going with Star Wars now,
and we're getting these stories in between three and four,
which is going from the Fall to New hope or
whatever like that, and we give any stories and keeps
making and or and stuff like that and stuff like that.
It only makes Revenge of the Fifth even better, you
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know what I mean? Like it only it only makes
it better. It actually and makes the prequels even better,
like episode one is looking a lot nice and now
that right, So even like Tales of the Jedi and
stuff like that, the.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Whole we got with oh Man, I was like, yo,
I think I like this guy a little bit more
like I always like because was he was a real
one because he was telling Obi Wan straight up what
the deal was, and we want dumb ass was like, no,
that's not happening, Like bro, he literally telling you the
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whole plan to you straight up.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
He tells you exactly what is going on, and you're
like nah, bro.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And then when I tells us Jedi, was like, see
he ain't no bulls shitar. He tell you what he
got to tell you. But like you said, that just
proves your point. All of that elevates these movies more.
And that's why I think it over time, like it
gets even more season It's like why the older it
gets the better exactly, And the fact and it's a
(28:23):
proven fact because, like I just said, box office wise,
it's on track to hit the billion mark. So it
just shows you and another twenty years, we don't have
more stuff to build around it. Even with the books
and games and stuff like with Falling, like Jedi Survivor,
all this kind of stuff, it ties into that mythos.
(28:46):
We now know that other Jedi survived were getting these
stories about what happened, the fact that when Anakin became Vader,
he almost became like this myth you know, just the
story just make believe story that people were making up
there in the night. So it's all this stuff, even
like the Obi Wan series, all this stuff that's like
bridging the gaps and just giving it more fact and
(29:09):
making it just go up and up, And like you said,
it's making episode one and two is helping those films
have a better background.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So I'm here for I got a question. You sparked
the question from me, what's up? What's your thing? Let
me ask you a question. With there being these games
and books and movies and with more Jedi surviving that
that because I've heard fans say that Lessons Order sixty
six beings the more Jedis have survived. You agree with that,
(29:37):
and do you agree that like the lesson the severity
is lesson, but they're being more survived.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I can see why they would say that. But at
the same time, people have to remember and I'm just
going off even though it wasn't like a big hit
like Acol, like remember Acol, like it was more than
like one Jedi temple. Yeah, I don't know if it
was like that during that time. I don't know if
(30:04):
it was just the only one, the main one, but
you all remember it was a war going on. People
was on different planets. People knew how to survive. They
got away. It happens. It's a galaxy, it's a big galaxy.
It's a very high possibility. Some people survived and they
And it's not like they're saying every everywhere you look,
(30:26):
somebody's a jediut that survived. It's it's still like a few.
It's a slim few. It's not like a number. So
I get what they're saying, but I don't think it
hurts or the sixty six because it's like it's still
damaged a whole order, like people had to go into hiding.
These people survived most of them are hiding. They're not
(30:48):
out there like Willy Nilly. Yeah, I'm a jedid. It's
only a few that's like that. So even though they
make these survivors, it ain't like just out out there
doing any thing. These people have been traumatized, suffering from
an effect they haven't to like they've seen their comrades
go down right in front of it. Even what was
(31:08):
her name from an one series?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
See he's about being quick it right?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, I know her real name is Moses. I can't remember,
just the fact like somebody like her who literally was
face to face with Anakin. And I know we all
hate that the whole. You can get stabbed with light
saving little now, But even stuff like that, people they survive,
(31:35):
they're traumatized to go through it. It's a reality that
can happen. It's people that survive stuff in the war.
I ain't gonna go into what they what that was,
but you all know, like it happens. People survived things.
So I don't get why people paying is up in
the bunk. Sometimes sometimes people just pinpoint on things.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It's not that big of a Yeah, I agree with you,
like I've always was, like it's not out of hundreds
of thousands of Jedi, and we got fifty thousand running around.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It's at most it's in the hundreds.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Maybe, yeah exactly, that wasn't global, but yeah, hundreds. And
even then they're like Canaan smugglers or whatever, like they ain't.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Trying to be out of here, throwing the light around here.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
He had Ezra had to bring him out of that,
like he was cool being a smuggler and doing odd
jobs and stuff like that, keeping his head down and
stuff like that, because he realized we lost, and if
he wants to live and have a decent life, keep
his head down.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I don't fault Jedi for that. Man.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
The whole thing, your whole entire existence. Y'all fought the
Clone War, this, that, the other and a second everything
you knew change just like that.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
That's traumas that people.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
They don't even know that an They think Anakin was
one of the casualties. So let's happening. The one who
was the chosen one is gone? What are we gonna
do now?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And then when you do find out the chosen one? Wow,
like now what are we what are we really going
to do? So yeah, man, it's I don't know. I
don't know. He's so up in the roar about that, but.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It's just it's just people. I think people just want
to they're just looking for a reason to be mad
about the prequels and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And Elder sixty six because Order sixty six.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Is traumatic no matter how many times I feel it, like,
no matter how many times, especially in the.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Clone Wars TV show.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, especially part like I get every time I see
that scene, especially today with all over social media, and
I was just like a beautifully sad episode because it
was sad because Rex and you see it from the
Clone that don't like turn and how he's got to
go up against people he fought with.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Throughout his brother his literal brothers.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
So it gets a third degree even sadder when you
do that.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I listen, Clone Wars is probably one of the best
Star Wars properties.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Will ever get, like peak peak Wars, peak Star Wars
and Revenge Said is one of those. And I'd even
even lumping in let's say episode two in there.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
The prequels are pretty solid in comparison to some other
projects that out here and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So prequels that are holding up pretty well.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
But with that being said, do you have anything else
to add to the conversation where we wrap up?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Man, I just I'll just say that twenty more years.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
The twenty more years of Star Wars Man and what
we get from that will be celebrated in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Man, years of Revenge of the Sith, and that will
probably seventy years. Jesus gosh, gosh, I want to think
about it. Forty years. Oh, man, Like I think I'm
(35:20):
meant to say twenty more years. I'm meant to say.
I meant to say, twenty more years'll Revenger of the Sith.
That's what I meant to say.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
It's late, I heard, Yeah, I hear doubling up on us.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So yeah, to twenty more years.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Twenty more years, twenty more years.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
My cheers with the water. So yeah, twenty more years
of Revenge of the Sith, more content, the more the
marria if it's done.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, after on that one.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Other than that, Demetrius.
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Welcome to this. When I went to a podcast, I'm
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Last time I timed it perfect, but this time I
was off byfe.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, it's a working progress that we hear.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
But today we're talking about a great part of the
overarching Star Wars movies, which is Revenge of the Fifth
and it's his twentieth anniversary, which is crazy to think
about because it's been twenty years.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That's crazy. But Margaret, if you went to go sit
in theaters, so how was that experience?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Man? First of all, like you said, twenty years a
revenge of the twenty years, Like I know all the
Baby boomers and Generation X talk about, Yeah, but we
should have bring fifty years almost of a new hope.
Yeah that's cute. No, but we got our twenty years.
(01:11):
But on a real note, it's it's just crazy to
realize how long you've been a Star Wars fan, which,
like I just said, for them, fifty years, forty years,
that's a long time to be invested in something that's
that you never would have thought in a million years
(01:31):
would have such a like hard core fan base. Yeah,
when it came up, I was like it is twenty
years because it was five and I remember when it
came out because my dad took us to see the
first two, one and two, and I was like, Oh,
(01:53):
it was like, we're gonna finally get to see Anakin,
how he becomes Darth Vader, the whole thing about, Like,
I know what I wanted to see it. I thought
we was gonna get to see Littlegan Layer a little older.
I had this whole story in my head, but I
was completely wrong. But but yeah, man, it's just it's
(02:13):
dope to revisit these films, to go back and watch
them as an adult, because you have a better a
different outlook on it, and a better understanding of certain
situations that happened in the film, certain motives of the characters, plots,
even plot holes or things that could you felt should
(02:35):
have been set up a little better. But also we
had the Clone Wars, the animated series, to fill in
a lot of those gaps afterwards. So like coming back
twenty years and watching it, it's okay. No, Anakin's turn
to the dark Side wasn't just like that now. It
was a build There was a build up, so getting
(02:56):
to see it is like, what's the word I want
to use this man. My words are escaping me tonight.
It's like a reward almost to get to watch it
twenty years later. I treat it is it's a treat
like we treated ourselves, Like here's the rapper with the
Clone Wars and then take it off and then there's
the candy. So it's definitely cool, especially to go because
(03:19):
like you said, I went to the theater to see it.
It was really dope, had like little goose bumps and
stuff because it's for those few minutes. I was like
fourteen again, bro, and I was in there like when
it was like the parts like with Mace Windle a
certain parts, I was like, non, like I know what's
gonna happen, but I was like, no, don't do it.
It's like oh no. I was like, oh the Emperor.
(03:41):
I still can't stand him after twenty and then I
was really all, man, I'm gonna tell you though, who
I'm more pissed with twenty years later. It's the Jedi Order. Yeah,
because I won't say that fully respond, but they had
a part in it because it was like you put
(04:06):
my man's on the Jedi Council, but you don't make
him a master. And this dude is literally like a
war hero, Like he's fought in a war for ten
almost thought ten plus years, and he done lost his
Patawan friends along the way, his connection with the clones,
(04:26):
some of the clones he lost, Like he been through
a lot and at a moment of time where he's
really like conflicted, and he's come to one of y'all
and told y'all what's going on with him? And you're like,
you're gonna tell somebody who had lost so much, Oh,
you gotta learn how to let go. Just people die,
(04:48):
let him go, and it's broke y'all not doing a
good job right now and trying to keep this dude
like level headed. So I was like, man, they made
so many little like my new the States that you
never thought about when you was younger. That I was like, man,
if this was if they would have did this or
(05:10):
if this would have happened, No, if they didn't ask
him to do this, which I got why they said
it because they didn't trust the Chancellor. Yeah, and that's
why they didn't want to make him a master. But
I was like, man, y'all are really y'all are taking
a big gamble and it did not pay.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Off at all. I think one of the biggest things
is like when nath Winn, dude, like he told him.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
He was like the way he told him, he could
have had it some other way. He was like, you're
on the council.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But you're not. You don't have the ring.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And I was like, if it was me, dude, it
was me, I'm not gonna be happy about that. I'nna
be irritated. I'm be like, nah, I'm gonna go see
my boy palpa team and that.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And then you asked him to spinal man, I'm like, like,
he's so trust They trusted each other so much.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Because of the war and this out there in that relationship.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Over because when you really think about it, Revenge of
the Fifth takes place at least within eight months or
something like that, just because of the beginning is how
that is pregnant to her literally giving birth nine months
of time and you want to You're like, oh, go
spy on him, your trusted friends. What then, maith Windu
(06:30):
got to kill you just gotta kill Streaking And he
wanted to kill killing just because he knew who he was.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
But Anakin was like, oh, we don't do that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I'm like anakutt like in the Bead of the movie
you killed Count Dooku wouldn't No sweat.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Took him out.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Maith Windu was just following steps. Man, he's taking care
of you.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I'm not leaving this dude alive because I know what
the consequences is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
And boy was he exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
And again we know that you wanted to say you
need to say even because he gave you that that spill,
which is a lie by the way, he didn't know
how to.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Big lie.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And now you suffering because you saw visions of you
killing your wife because that's what happened. You don't talk
about that too.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And I don't people see to talk about the fact
that he was sending to get sent visions of him
POV in his life big time stag it up out
of anger because he fell to the dark side. That's
what led to his wife's death. If he would have
kept it together, he might have been able to change
some things, if he was able to figure out things
(07:34):
have to work because everything happens the way it's supposed to,
you know what I mean, especially in Star Wars, you
really can't change things.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
As we find out.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And I guess rebels kind of breaks that code because
they do save Ahsoka. But things happened for a reason
unless you have that out of space kind of thing
that you can save things.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But it's a whole nother podcast. We're talking about Revenge
of the Fifth today.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But I don't know what elbie Wan's plan was to
step on board of the ship and go to Musa far.
What was his plan to approach Anakain at that thing?
Like he didn't sit there at the top of the ship.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I don't know what he was thinking. Go ahead, we're
gonna talk, give him a hug, and I wanna say,
come on, Anakin, let's go back, dude, demand just like
off half of the Jedi counts, like the Jedi Temple,
some little kids. He just choked his wife out in
front of you, and he just took out a whole
(08:35):
room of like senators, and you think you're finna just
come and kumbaya and tell him to come back to
the light side. He should have known on site that
Anakin was finna throw the hands up in this case
that lightsaber, like he should have knew that.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
He should know there was no talking at this point
the fact that he killed younglings. The second I would
have it came with a flight. They were just ignited
because I would have known you killed young My conversation
is not going to get you out of this until
I beat you the where you can't do nothing, and
even then it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And if we're gonna be real, because Obi Wan, come
finish the job. That's what That's why the empire grew. Yeah,
because I'm pretty sure he could have he could have
finished the job, but he let him burn. He let
him burn. I'm just thinking that would have did it.
(09:30):
But I'm like Brot always make sure that the job.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Say double tap, man, double tap.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But I think I don't know because if we look
at Clone Wars, because like in Clone Wars, Yoda does
the visions of the future, and I'm sure Yoda was
like for everything to work the way it needs to
work out and the property to be filled, obi Wan
gotta go there and not kill him, you know what
I mean. And I gotta go to the Dagaba and
(09:58):
the swamps and there I'm the only survivor here. I
ain't saying none of my friends, but that's a whole
other comfort zone. Who on the podcast. I keep going
to different podcast, but I'm just saying I think that's
why Yoda was like, no, you gotta go do it.
Yoda ain't doing nothing. I ain't going out there and
(10:20):
gonna kill Anakin, because Yoda could have done it, Evie
and we wouldn't have to deal with this. But Yoda
was like, I gotta live.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
To see Luke.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'most the pawn in this chess game. I'm must spare
you just in case.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Right, A lot of things had to happen for things
to go, but definitely obi Wan was not the man
for that job.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Honestly, obi Wan wasn't the man to be Anakin's master.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He just wasn't. It was always Car he was the
one because he was like that great where he believed
in like the cold, but he also believed and stepping
out and figuring things out another way, tap into your
feelings and God yourself. Like, it wasn't just about oh no,
(11:15):
you can't do this, you can't do this, you can't
do it. Like everything with Anakin, do it this way,
this is what we do, this is how you do so.
I honestly think in another universe, if Qui Gon was
still around. I think two things. I think Anakin wouldn't
(11:36):
turned to the dark side him and would have started
a new order. Probably probably wouldn't have went for a
dark side. They would have got rid of the city
is and and now ten times. It probably would have
been another self Lord to come along. But as far
as like the whole empire thing, that definitely probably wouldn't
(11:58):
have happened. I feel like one but it became like
a grand Master trains from Jedi pad May and Anakin,
but they had Luke and Lea and they could have
trained the Jedi or whatever. But that's it's so crazy
because one one person could have changed the whole outcome
of the story. Like you said, it's all everything's already
(12:19):
setting stone because the way George did it with four,
five or six coming out, so we already knew. Because yeah,
but it's always cool to think of.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
That, here's my thing and what if going on your
what if thing.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's like we get a what if universe and that happens, right,
But I'm assuming, like because let's say Obi wanbi Qui
Gon doesn't die by Mam Mam becomes the new fifth guy,
and that's the and that's the main guy that'd be cool.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Up to you, Like they fight Ma, mam might get away,
you go get his brother and they just ma does
the whole thing with the Mandalorians, like it could be
a lot to happen.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, honestly, And I'm I'm all fan more than I
am a vader. That's just by slim by the way,
not by much, because this all I just fight the
way Mal fights. He fights so aggressive but calculated, and he.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Taps into the dark side like very well. He knows
his strength and weaknesses when he.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Does exactly like he's very a very tricky uphodent to
be Obi one was good to kill him, but to
kill Annaquette, No, Mall and him have b for sure,
I wish you would have. I'm glad we're getting a
Mall TV show, and I'm glad that we're also getting
the what is it tells the underworld that came out.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Which came out today, came out today technically yesterday because yeah,
whatever beside travels real. But yeah, So going back to
(14:07):
our w IF world, who do you think what would
have been the chancellor if Papa team is like either
sent the trial execute do you think Patme would have
roll to that order have been somebody else like Bell,
La mom Moor, somebody. You know what I want.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Look, I want to give you my theory answer, and I'm
gonna give you my my my funny answer. Okay, answer, pame, Okay,
theory that the padmey goofy answer.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What's his name? What's his name?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Georgia? Yeah, the power of the Chancellor of the New
Republic and Missa first order is Missa going bumped back
(14:57):
to numb to get the gun, like he's just doing
some dumb ship like bro.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Do you think the the Star Wars world would be
better or worse with charge as tonight like in comparedon
to the timeline we have now with the Chancellor?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Do you think it'd be better or worse?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The reason they became an emperor because he was like
he voted him to do whatever, Like I was, like
brod the biggest fun up in history. I wonder what
happened to Georgia like during the era of the Empire.
I know it's probably like a book or something or
(15:42):
comics or something mentioned to him. I just always wonder
what there is.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I think I remember something or it might have been
like a theory or something like that, but they said
that he didn't live a good life or something like that.
It was a theory maybe, Like I remember watching those
like YouTube shorts and they were like, this is what
happened to those stories on YouTube shorts.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
If anybody knows what happened to jar Yard doing the
Era of the Empire, comment below and let us know
because we Yeah, I just thought I was like, man,
what happened to him? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The only thing I know is about that theory. Maybe
I don't know if it's based on it. That's why
I give it faith theory because I don't. I've seen
that short real every everything often because that's it. That's
where my fixation goes sometimes, especially on this day, I
get that.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah. So so twenty twenty years later and watching this
now from a different aspect, knowing what you know, watching
other films and gaining this knowledge from a standpoint, what
are the things that you're kind of like, now you
(16:44):
could have did with or without that that could have
been done better? And also that was that's still perfect
and it still works.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Here talking about what obviously Revenge of the Fifth he
talking about the.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Prequel, the Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Okay, want to be sure, just want to be sure
because Prequels Episode two need to we need to rework that.
But we could do a whole podcast on that exactly
with three. Honestly, there wasn't anything that I would honestly
change because it all it was better paced than the
(17:22):
one that came before. The one we came before it
with it need to be like tapered here and there.
But this one, it's my favorite of the prequels. If
you didn't now like I love the movie, like it's
just great, best flights of the Battle of the entire series.
You can fighte me.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
On ever, Yeah, I want an.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I say that.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I say that with words, not with fifth Okay, give
you give me a ton in the comment section.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I don't mean that with aggression. You know, no aggression here.
But I'm just.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Saying, like that fight between Obi Wan and Anakin is
the best that fights, so good that I watched it
every so often, just that part. I think I know
what I want. I think I know what I would
want a little bit better now I think about it
a little bit better with grievous and OI won fight
(18:16):
like a little bit better on that.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
That means a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It felt like it was like it was we knew
what was gonna happen and it was dead, but it
just felt so out of place, like one to beat
him like that, And I was like, yeah, because they
were trying to make the like slick joke about him
not liking blasters or whatever, but exactly, I just felt
(18:42):
like it was something more than that. They either cut
or it just didn't work. I don't know, but I
just felt like with Grievous, what we got from the
first animated Clone Wars is what I felt that should
have been. But exactly, maybe the wear and tear of
the prosthetics and all that kind of took a toll
on him, so he wasn't as fast and he became
(19:04):
more like clanky and slow. So I was like, that
might be why it's cool we got it, it did
what it was supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
But then to do exactly, But I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I just wanted more favorites somehow, like more combat, Like
we got to see the four Favorites, but that's this
is before now, maybe because the Clone Wars came out
after I'm trying to think of the timeline of the show,
like the show coming out.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Three years after because remember eight, that's when it was
the movie, the Wards movie, and then they did the
series right after that, so it was three years ago.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Oh okay, wait they did the first theories after that?
Or did they do the second one the longer?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
The first one was a Guiney Tarkoski I think.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I hope, yeah, help Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
That one was oh three, so that was originally supposed
to be like the filling for between two and three
because that came out before the episode three came out,
So that was it was like what happened in But
then they rehashed it and they did Boloney and George
came out with the Clone Wars, so that even though
(20:16):
it came out three years after that, that took the
place of what we had the first time.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Okay, that's what I was thinking, because I'm thinking, I'm
thinking being that we didn't have the Clone Wars show
because they came out after the movie. I think that's
why they shot it like they have been fighting, like
they've been fighting for years, they've just been missing each other.
But also the life favorite thing. Also because it's the movie,
it felt like it was the first time we're seeing that.
But that's just how Creevan's fight. So it took away
(20:44):
from that. The Clone Wars took away from that, the
hype behind that. But I appreciate agreement kind of like
a Coffin joid more than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I like a Coffin robot like.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It was. By the way, was George Lucas actual cough
because he had? Yeah, so they just recorded his cough.
I found it out because I'm like a nerd commentary
behind the scenes stuff, so I used to watch all
the like behind the scenes on the DVDs. Yeah, I
(21:17):
learned that, and I was like, oh, it is dope.
I know the man probably was coughing his lungs up,
but hold on, George, just do that caugh one more time.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, we got right, we got it.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Now they have like cough takes or whatever, but no,
I like, I know a lot of people don't like
the coughing droid because they did like whatever, but I
liked it. I was like, I drod that cough. I
don't never see that anywhere else, And I was a work.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I think it's for the fact that he used to
be a warrior like a person. He got all these
this fluid like pumping through him because apparently his was
the precursor to what Vader had. They hadn't perfected it yet,
and it probably was fucking up. He probably was going
clocking out soon.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Ob one did him a little favor, clock.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Man, let me help you out real quick. I'm gonna
go straight to the chest.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I also think that we get from that fight, if
like force ability that we didn't really know about, like
the ability to rip that thing open and shoot him there.
It's like using the fourth to strengthen your your muscles
and stuff like that. So that's the first side of
one of the or not first time, but earlier sign
of they were intentionally making these force abilities, even though
they didn't really name it that. Yeah, because I was
(22:38):
just like, so probably that open man, you gotta have
you gotta be roll it up man. I was like,
oh we want slow man.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah. Man, I will say this too. As far as
I'm a junkie for movies scores and as far as
scoring goes, I think this is like one of the
best scores for all the episodes because man, like the
when they were hitting certain moments like when Anakin fully
went dark side. Yeah, it was standing out on the
(23:11):
balcony and moves to far with the hood on and
it was rolling out. I was like watching it now,
I was like, man, it hurts. It hurts so bad
seeing it now, like for him and over one, because man,
you just don't want it to happen, but it Happen's
going to happen like it's hurt. So I think it's
like one of the best movie scores. Also, we got
(23:33):
a dope like movie ty in game from it that
a lot of people probably don't remember if they're not
our age.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Remember the episode three game, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, we got that. What else did we get out
of it? Of course the toys and stuff on the
action figures. I remember it was like a back that
was back when stores took time for movies and built
the whole display. It was like episode three and they
had all the toys and stuff t shirts. So it
was just a different time. And it's cool to see
(24:06):
twenty years now that it's still a big thing because
they're talking about it's close to getting hitting the billion
mark in the Boom Yeah, which is crazy for a
movie that came out to me.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I just show you how good that movie is, man.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, it really is like you said, it's the best
one out of the prequels, and it's not much that
that you would change. And then I even think the
politics it was on points all three of the prequels
because I think that I think the way they wrote
it and set it up in that movie helped stuff
like and Or be as good as it is because
(24:43):
it established what those politicians were. Now, I do hate
that they left out that scene when pat May and
like my math most starting to rebellion, because I think
that would have been so cool because it would have
connected made that connection to her and her daughter, like
her daughter was a leader of the rebellion, and it's
(25:04):
like her mother started the rebellion, So yeah, it would
have It ain't cool, but I get with movies that
some stuff make the cutting board and it doesn't fit in.
But I think that would have been great, just that
little moment to happen there. But other than that, as
a whole, everything worked very well. Some of the dialogue
(25:25):
it's a little cringe.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Give me example, man, what I'm talking about. I want
to hear it that I want and they.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Like the little condo, I call it a condo. It's
what I'm just so in love with you. Oh it's
love blind or something like that. I'm like, I'm blowing
or something like that. Man, that is not everything. Everything
(25:54):
is going into that happened, and I was like, that's
probably everybody talks about that line too. We could have
did without that. George, George, we love him, great story teller,
but that dialogue he either hit him miss.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You need to get so he needed to get somebody
to be like a romance writer for those parts, because
even in the second one, the worst part of it,
the second one is the romance is so bad. I
hate say the grain of san Yeah, it's everywhere. I'm like,
this is what this is what this look got you.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It gets harder and harder to watch the old I
get because my patience, bro, I gotta go through this,
and I just skipped to the end and then get
the three. But nah, man, so be as far as
like that, you have anything else to add to it?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Twenty years in honestly, not to add to that, but
I think I think if we keep going like we
keep going the paper, we're going with Star Wars now,
and we're getting these stories in between three and four,
which is going from the Fall to New hope or
whatever like that, and we give any stories and keeps
making and or and stuff like that and stuff like that.
It only makes Revenge of the Fifth even better, you
(27:09):
know what I mean? Like it only it only makes
it better. It actually and makes the prequels even better,
like episode one is looking a lot nice and now
that right, So even like Tales of the Jedi and
stuff like that, the.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Whole we got with oh Man, I was like, yo,
I think I like this guy a little bit more
like I always like because was he was a real
one because he was telling Obi Wan straight up what
the deal was, and we want dumb ass was like, no,
that's not happening, Like bro, he literally telling you the
(27:52):
whole plan to you straight up.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
He tells you exactly what is going on, and you're
like nah, bro.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And then when I tells us Jedi, was like, see
he ain't no bulls shitar. He tell you what he
got to tell you. But like you said, that just
proves your point. All of that elevates these movies more.
And that's why I think it over time, like it
gets even more season It's like why the older it
gets the better exactly, And the fact and it's a
(28:23):
proven fact because, like I just said, box office wise,
it's on track to hit the billion mark. So it
just shows you and another twenty years, we don't have
more stuff to build around it. Even with the books
and games and stuff like with Falling, like Jedi Survivor,
all this kind of stuff, it ties into that mythos.
(28:46):
We now know that other Jedi survived were getting these
stories about what happened, the fact that when Anakin became Vader,
he almost became like this myth you know, just the
story just make believe story that people were making up
there in the night. So it's all this stuff, even
like the Obi Wan series, all this stuff that's like
bridging the gaps and just giving it more fact and
(29:09):
making it just go up and up, And like you said,
it's making episode one and two is helping those films
have a better background.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So I'm here for I got a question. You sparked
the question from me, what's up? What's your thing? Let
me ask you a question. With there being these games
and books and movies and with more Jedi surviving that
that because I've heard fans say that Lessons Order sixty
six beings the more Jedis have survived. You agree with that,
(29:37):
and do you agree that like the lesson the severity
is lesson, but they're being more survived.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I can see why they would say that. But at
the same time, people have to remember and I'm just
going off even though it wasn't like a big hit
like Acol, like remember Acol, like it was more than
like one Jedi temple. Yeah, I don't know if it
was like that during that time. I don't know if
(30:04):
it was just the only one, the main one, but
you all remember it was a war going on. People
was on different planets. People knew how to survive. They
got away. It happens. It's a galaxy, it's a big galaxy.
It's a very high possibility. Some people survived and they
And it's not like they're saying every everywhere you look,
(30:26):
somebody's a jediut that survived. It's it's still like a few.
It's a slim few. It's not like a number. So
I get what they're saying, but I don't think it
hurts or the sixty six because it's like it's still
damaged a whole order, like people had to go into hiding.
These people survived most of them are hiding. They're not
(30:48):
out there like Willy Nilly. Yeah, I'm a jedid. It's
only a few that's like that. So even though they
make these survivors, it ain't like just out out there
doing any thing. These people have been traumatized, suffering from
an effect they haven't to like they've seen their comrades
go down right in front of it. Even what was
(31:08):
her name from an one series?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
See he's about being quick it right?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, I know her real name is Moses. I can't remember,
just the fact like somebody like her who literally was
face to face with Anakin. And I know we all
hate that the whole. You can get stabbed with light
saving little now, But even stuff like that, people they survive,
(31:35):
they're traumatized to go through it. It's a reality that
can happen. It's people that survive stuff in the war.
I ain't gonna go into what they what that was,
but you all know, like it happens. People survived things.
So I don't get why people paying is up in
the bunk. Sometimes sometimes people just pinpoint on things.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It's not that big of a Yeah, I agree with you,
like I've always was, like it's not out of hundreds
of thousands of Jedi, and we got fifty thousand running around.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It's at most it's in the hundreds.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Maybe, yeah exactly, that wasn't global, but yeah, hundreds. And
even then they're like Canaan smugglers or whatever, like they ain't.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Trying to be out of here, throwing the light around here.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
He had Ezra had to bring him out of that,
like he was cool being a smuggler and doing odd
jobs and stuff like that, keeping his head down and
stuff like that, because he realized we lost, and if
he wants to live and have a decent life, keep
his head down.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I don't fault Jedi for that. Man.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
The whole thing, your whole entire existence. Y'all fought the
Clone War, this, that, the other and a second everything
you knew change just like that.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
That's traumas that people.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
They don't even know that an They think Anakin was
one of the casualties. So let's happening. The one who
was the chosen one is gone? What are we gonna
do now?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And then when you do find out the chosen one? Wow,
like now what are we what are we really going
to do? So yeah, man, it's I don't know. I
don't know. He's so up in the roar about that, but.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It's just it's just people. I think people just want
to they're just looking for a reason to be mad
about the prequels and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And Elder sixty six because Order sixty six.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Is traumatic no matter how many times I feel it, like,
no matter how many times, especially in the.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Clone Wars TV show.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, especially part like I get every time I see
that scene, especially today with all over social media, and
I was just like a beautifully sad episode because it
was sad because Rex and you see it from the
Clone that don't like turn and how he's got to
go up against people he fought with.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Throughout his brother his literal brothers.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
So it gets a third degree even sadder when you
do that.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I listen, Clone Wars is probably one of the best
Star Wars properties.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Will ever get, like peak peak Wars, peak Star Wars
and Revenge Said is one of those. And I'd even
even lumping in let's say episode two in there.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
The prequels are pretty solid in comparison to some other
projects that out here and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So prequels that are holding up pretty well.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
But with that being said, do you have anything else
to add to the conversation where we wrap up?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Man, I just I'll just say that twenty more years.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
The twenty more years of Star Wars Man and what
we get from that will be celebrated in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Man, years of Revenge of the Sith, and that will
probably seventy years. Jesus gosh, gosh, I want to think
about it. Forty years. Oh, man, Like I think I'm
(35:20):
meant to say twenty more years. I'm meant to say.
I meant to say, twenty more years'll Revenger of the Sith.
That's what I meant to say.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
It's late, I heard, Yeah, I hear doubling up on us.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So yeah, to twenty more years.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Twenty more years, twenty more years.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
My cheers with the water. So yeah, twenty more years
of Revenge of the Sith, more content, the more the
marria if it's done.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, after on that one.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Other than that, Demetrius.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
All right, you know what time it is. It's time for.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
The Yah promotional shape Listen.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
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Speaker 3 (37:15):
Previous fight it's not that bad and I'm just overreacting,
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Speaker 1 (37:54):
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Speaker 2 (37:59):
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you with you.
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