May 11, 2025 • 33 mins
Join Us as they discuss the first four episodes of 'Daredevil: Born Again.' We compare it to the original Netflix series, highlight its unique elements, discuss character dynamics, and anticipate future developments in the show. Tune in for insights, critiques, and fan theories!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome, Welcome back on Freaks and Geeks to another amazing
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gonna be talking about the Man, the myth, the legend,
the Daredevil, and it's born.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yes, sirs, sirs, come back again, born again.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Literally, they brought.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
They brought him back.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
They were like, hey man, what can we do to
get the old fan back? And let's just off that
of that dared devil. Let him have a piece of it.
We're gonna be doing the first four episodes. You know,
we usually do it around here. We do the first
handful of episodes, so you guys understand what you're getting
involved in and if it's even worth your time. Usually
it is. Honestly, these shows have been pretty good recently. Honestly,
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another one of those. But Marcus, when it comes down
to this show versus the original, do you think it's
like a fair comparison, Like on the same level, I
would say writing and that energy.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I wouldn't compare it only because the Netflix series had
three seasons, so it was like more so, it's a
lot of content.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I would say I would.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Judge it off of does it flow, Does it feel
like it's the same series, And in a way, it's
still like capsule those elements that made the Netflix series
so good, But you definitely can tell it got like
Disney's touch on it. You definitely can tell, even to
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the choices of lighting, certain elements that put in there
a little bit of lightheartedness, even how to how the
sets look like when they're shooting stuff New York and
the day time and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
In the Netflix series, it was a.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Lot like at night, dark lit settings, big vibrant camera
angles and stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So it's definitely you can tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
But as far as like the writing and the characters
and like where they're at, it's pretty much seems like
it has been like seven years, so it doesn't feel like,
oh my goodness, where did this come from? It is
like a whole bunch of new characters, nobody. It seems okay,
we're just catching up with old friends. It definitely kept
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a little bit of the essence of that Netflix series,
But as far as the comparison, it's hard to do
because I'm gonna be very biased and just say that
Netflix around was like peak writing and like execution. So
it's hard to compare right now because this is just
one season. I know it's probably gonna be a couple
of more to come after this, but oh man, that Netflix.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So much good came out of that show.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I didn't think for a long time I would ever
see The Punisher again, got the Punisher back, Electra the
hand who else, my boy stick It was so much Foggy,
like the relationship with him and Foggy. You definitely felt
like that mcu touch. How the tone of their shows off,
because they've had shows where it gets a little dark
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and serious, like with Echo, Winter, Soldier, Falcon Winning, Soldier Hawkey,
Like those three shows are like that same feel, and
it just it's just like they took those three shows
and heightened the violence and like adult themes. So that's
basically what they did. But the writing, the writing has
been pretty good. And I know a lot of people
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in your complaining about all there's not a lot of
action and doing all this talking, and I'm like, y'all
gotta remember, Matt is a freaking lawyer, So if he
chooses not to be a vigilante, he's gonna be a lawyer,
and lawyers are not the most exciting people because a
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lot of their job deals with talking, investigating.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
That's a big chunk of it.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So you're not gonna see him fighting because he's they
stated it in the show that he was giving that
up and benchi Landi's are also illegal now. So there's
a lot of elements that's tied in to why it's
the way it is. But what helps it to your
point of the question that you asked about writing is
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the way the characters are set up, with the dialogue
and the writing and the you know, the history between
certain characters is done really good, so it doesn't take
you out of the moment and it's not a whole,
but it goes nowhere.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
No, everything goes somewhere.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I just really think Matt's dialogue with all the
characters in the show, even the new ones that they introduced,
is done like really well, and it shows like the
person that he is and the human side of him.
And that's always made their double such a dope superhero
to me, because he is a good person under that,
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under all of that, it's not like he's just rage
monster out there just going around clapping people like Frank.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But yeah, to answer your question, I know that was
like a long one to answer.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Great answer.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, it's very hard to try to compare it, you know,
as far as the show as a whole, but I
would just say I would just probably say more the
differences and what the feel and tone of the show is.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, the way I see it is like that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I think a reason why Daredevil Born Again can do
any of the stuff that it's doing is it just
because the Netflix show did a really good job of
pre dating and free introducing all the the stuff that
we would need for a show like this to even
be successful. If you look at other shows that have
to introduce their characters on the ground up, they don't
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have the crutch or not even but the assistant from
a pre existing show. To already have the layers done,
we don't have to have his early roots of him
getting his power and his power but using his powers
for the first time. We already have a whole entire
series about that, so we can get into a new
story of established characters. Everybody who's here for the most part,
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we know about, Like Bullseye, we know him, Frank, we
know him King Pid, we know him Foggy, all these characters.
There's a new character they added, but all the existing characters,
they don't have to do much to him a lot
of the and I will say episode fourth probably my
favorite of them so far, even though I do love
the White Panther because man, when he was talking about
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what it meant to him as a culture and everything
like that, I was I was just really hooked on that.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
But it was really it was really good writing.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
But I love his back and forth with Frank, and
I love to the thing that I love is like
we get to see the same conversation happen seven years
apart the rooftop and they overlooking. They both were looking
to that they were younger. Frank was himself fraggedly. It's
so paranoid, and you could tell their lives are different.
Daredevil has people in his life. He has his friends
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and stuff like that and family he has, but Frank
has no one.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Frank has himself. Frank does not have the.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Access exactly isolated, and anybody who comes to the door usually.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
As someone that's trying to take him out or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So he has to That's why he threw an accent
and Matt right off the back because he was like,
you're coming here to do something, but that's hey man,
it's me man, I'm not here for that. And I
love the dialogue because he's he's it's more or less
the conversation with Matt with himself and punishments, just giving
him the back and forth the Devil's advocate part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
But if Matt coming to the term that he has.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
To be a vigilanti again because it ain't working, he's
coming across the same problem that led him to be
Daredevil in the first.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Wag Yep exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And it's so crazy because they really show how the
two characters marry each other from the mental state of mind,
physical appearance, even like the living state, because Matt.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
He's still living like he's alone. He's by hisself.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He lives by hisself, but like you said, he just
has that outside world connections of friends and stuff and coworkers,
but he's isolated.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
He lives in that big apartment by itself. Frank is
in a.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Whole building, living under the building in the basement by itself.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Matt has his stash, his mask and suits.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Frank has his artillery and all that around him. It
just shows you the paranoia of both characters, like they
still have that paranoid of what's going on around him.
And then to the fact that when we first seen them,
the two talking to each other, having that conversation on
the roof, they were brand new into it, clean cut looking.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
This was like fresh out the gate.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
They were just getting the swing of things with their vigilatism,
and now it's like they've been through a lot of shit.
They torn down, the system is being bunked right now.
They don't know where they lie in this new world
of things. So these are two men that's been like
beating down. They've been through a lot, and then they
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have the traumas that's already occurring with this side their minds.
That now Matt has this new trauma with Foggy because
at first it was his father, but now he's dealing
with Foggy, and like you said, Frank is like pushing him, like, okay, Red,
you came here to get my permission, so I'm finish
give it to you. This is my permission. I'm finished
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side your permission, slipt. And it was just such a
great moment because like even to the point where you
saw Matt like finally break down, and it's the fact
that Frank is the one to take him there because
he's literally been through the same thing. He's telling him like, hey,
I hear the voices. That's what tells me to do
what I do. And then even at the end, like
when he leaves out and Frank has that moment he
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looking to the side, it's almost like it's something that
voice is coming back a little bit to be like,
it's time for you to get back out there because
ship get crazy on him.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, I love that dialogue so much. I love really,
I love. I don't like that Foggy is air code Dad.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I like, there's too many speculation for me to not
rule him.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The comic books, it's basic comic books, and you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Always have to have that nobody's really.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
No, ready's feel like gone, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So it's a bummer had to happen and he had
to lose a friend like that. But I think at
that point in time, he was like he was getting
to a point where he was okay with leaving that
role that life behind, and it took Bulldye of all
people to bring him back into that.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And on the rooftop, another rooftop.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
He dropped bulls eye off of it because he was like,
I'm done with it, and that's why he did take
off the map because he survived, but he was trying
to kill him.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
He wanted to take that line. Yeah, he cost that line.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
It makes sense why he doesn't want to be in
there and he wants to let the legal system do it,
even though the legal system is cooky and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, they try to send him up boy to jail,
but still in some Carol mil Yeah whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Good scene because he realized that he was trying to
write him off so early, and he realized that it's
a system. It's like the system is bad because he's
just he's he doesn't have money to do anything, so
he has to resort to that to survive. But the
legal system doesn't make an allowance for those kind of
things that happen.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It's like show.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The whole episode was trying to wake him up. Yeah,
wake up man, you know who we need back.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Come on man.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
You The point just to the point now was like
you can't even trust the cops anymore, so we need
you man.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Exactly, We need you back here because the cops are
using their power. And the thing is there's a couple
of things that you know about the cops, is like
the cops were willing the ice that guy in the apartments,
and that just that happened. That happened to be like Okay,
I'm gonna go hang, I'm gonna go see what's up
over there.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And they didn't even care he was a blind person.
They were gonna get they run up on him. They were.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
They didn't know he could, They didn't know he could fight.
Gonna go ahead and do what they do.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
And that's see where he was sitting there, he was
like letting him push them, sitting in the ground, like
stop pushing them, Stop pushing him because.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
He's looking for a reason.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He's looking for even to go back and to be
where he used to be, and you're giving him that reason.
That's why I thought. He was like, I don't want
to give you that reason. He kept telling you. He's
always been saying, I don't want to give you that
reason to go back out there. And so the cop
fested him and he beat the brakes off of him
and then battle cried after he was done.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, like that was.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I do that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I got a question though, how do you feel about
the direction that they're taking the king Pin's role, because
we do know in the comics, like he takes on
that kind of role of trying to be a mayor
or whatever in New York. But how do you feel
about the direction that's going in and the way his
character is right now this storyline they have.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I mean, we know that king Penn is going to
do what king Pin is gonna do it. He's gonna
get things done the way any way he can so him.
I think he's going to be corrupt because that's just
what he does. He can't keep his hands clean. I'm
waiting for that moment where we see confirmation one hundred
percent that he's doing it, because we speculate that he's
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sending out these people enforces out there to kill these
well he sent out he said, well the Punisher look
alike out there to kill White Tiger. And that's what
led Daredevil to go talk to Frank because he's like, Hey,
your boy.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Out there there being real, real radical right now.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They've being real radical under your honor. So I think
we're gonna see that snapping moment because Vanessa is pushing them.
Vanessa's pushing, and he's trying to keep his hands clean,
and she doesn't understand that he's trying to be He's
trying to do things right and at the very least
try and try to do what the people want, whatever
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way you can get it done.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But he's trying.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So I think there's gonna be one big slip up
that's gonna let Daredevil have that moment to do what
he's got to do, because we know that king Pin's
gonna is going to be at the end of the
series taking down or put in jail or whatever is
the case, and they're not going to have to be
mayor for more than this theater.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I think this is gonna be wrapped up at the
end of the season.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You think he's not gonna be the mayor at the
end of the show.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
How do you feel? How do you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I think I don't know why. I think somehow he's
gonna stay in there. Yeah, because I think the reason
why I say this is because I think in the
next Spider Man movie they want to have him as
like that background to New York. He's the face, the
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new face of that good or evil. Can you trust
him crooked politicians because you always need a good crooked
politician in the superhero movie.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And I think that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So and it definitely will give like Peter more outlets
to his Rose Gallery and give him things now that
he's basically starting over. Yeah, Peter Parker, but spider Man people,
And that's the thing people don't.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
People gotta remember.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now he just asks for people to forget Peter Parker,
but they still know who Spider Man is. So everything
Spider Man has done they remember except for him being
Peter Parker. So that's a cool thing. So I'm thinking
he might get like some name drops.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Like Tombstone, Oh for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, Osbourne's I think Shaka come back because they were
talking about King Brodlet. I think that's how he say
his name, but I forget I say his name. But
the dude play him in the first vider Man film.
They say he might come back. We do know it's
gonna be multi versal whatever they said, So we're probably
gonna see Toby yeah at some point. But my thing
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is getting off subject real quick. If we do see them,
hope we get to see them in their worlds and.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Not just them ayah world and Tom.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But I definitely think Wilson will stay around even to
the point.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Where we're gonna get that.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
What I'm waiting for is that that fix the fist
tower like in the games and comments. That's what I'm
waiting for, and I think that's what they're trying to
set up, like with the Peer, that he keeps doing.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
The reason why I say that is because I just want.
I just want they're not dead when Kingpins fight again,
I'm yelling.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Were always down for a good boxing match between them.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Two because it's all exactly and ill. And also, I
honestly just want. I hope Punish you get to another
shot in the series, honestly, just.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Because I know it's supposed to be a special, So
hopefully the special that is good enough to.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Where they want a green like that, because they are
bringing back the I heard their back the Defenders in
some way.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, and then Luke Cage, she said he wants to
come back.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Hey, I'm down.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, it's looking very like Bright a little bit for
this universe is back from the Netflix series. As far
as like with Their Devil, it's going down a steady
pace right now, which is good because people a lot
of people gotta understand that have all these complaints about
stuff when it comes to superheroes like Their Devil, Luke
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k even in the DC Universe characters like the question Batman.
The only reason Batman's stories are like so cool and
they always do it is because he's part of the
Justice League. But when we get down to the nitty gritty, like,
it's gonna be a lot of detective work investigating, and
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that's just a part of the character.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
So this is what you're.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Gonna get with Their Devil, even when he puts back
on the suit, it's still gonna be a lot of
the same vibes and feeling. I'm just like, you gotta
just be patient. It's one of those He's one of
those characters where the build up it's worth it. At
the end, it's definitely worth it.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
But alsoel like in the Netflix show, it was set
up like that, already set up where we had not
even not an even balance, but at the very least
we got a lot of stood up momented, a lot
of fighter We also got a lot of the lawyer
case stuff, and we got this really and that's Whereason
why I really knew Charlie Cox was a really good
Daredevil was just because you're able to flip between the two.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Of them very well.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He was able to be a very convincing dar though,
but also if Matt Murdoch was on point.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, definitely, I like it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I was just like, I like how too in this
show in this season and the past season. But I
like how they shoot it when he hears certain sounds
or like when they do the it's just black and
you hear all the noises to give us the insight
of what Matt was going on on at that time,
like when.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
He does hear certain sounds and stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I like how they heightened it and then they showed
like how they shoot it with that like blur fit.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I love.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I've always loved how they've done that and the fact
that they kept that going. That's why I say it
just feels like a continuation more than trying to do
a comparison because they kept.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Some of the yeah, the bits and stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So I will say one thing.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
The one thing I will say, and if you're a criminal,
and that after you you're not getting away from him
because he's able to hear your footsteps and a crowd
of people and.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Your heartbeat and your heart beat, and that man was
walking to his looking and that was behind him and
a good thing, and he following all the way back
to his apartment and with lifting into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And now when he's a tongue, he got the scorpion
thing going on, so now you can get.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
You with that. Get over. So y'all screwed man.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And the fact that my I was taking the darts
to the back of that first theme in the bar, Yeah,
I was like, dang, all right, Matt.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I was soon got like the Alma stuff where it
ain't gonna hurt as bad, but still he was.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Just taking them. I'm like, geez, how man.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, I think he was blood blood listed at that
point in time, like foggy on the ground. I can
hear his heartbeat. Wallam kicking your butt. So I think
they're neble Board again, the great show. I think it's
going to live up to the Netflix, or not even
live up to, but continue that the legacy that the
Netflix shows started.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
And I think it's a definite watch. Like, I think
you should be watching it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
If you are a there Nevil fan or a Netflix
Marble fan, you're gonna love this series.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It's it's faithful. It's so faithful, and.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We got we got a new character too, got to
mention that's fairly new, like in the comics too.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I had never heard mused. I think oh mu music.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I like the mystery that they got behind him, like
how they showed him at the beginning and at the
very end we got to see like that insight. But
throughout the episodes, his presence is there because of the
artwork he's been doing, because.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He signs it. I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I love it, And it's a character I don't really
know anything about. Yeah, I'm really like hyped to see
where that goes.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, I read a little bit about him, so I
know like his power is. It's like the opposite of
what Matt does. His power and where he's able to
finished up and I think he's able to like either
I don't remember one percent, but I think he would
like dampen it or like mess with it, Like he
can take away a lot of that heighten awareness that
dar Nevil has. But alas the artist, so he needs
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a blood to make his murals.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, yeah, I saw a little video. Yeah it's gonna
be that's gonna be pretty dope to see man about that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, and if I got any that wrong about me,
that correct me in the comments respectfully, please and thank you.
I'm going on what I read a while back that
might get some things wrong, But so what do you
think about the serious You agree with what I said?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Like it's.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I I will say this got put my film cap
on now, Marvel, you gotta clean up these damn reshoots.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Man, it's very obvious of.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
The reshoot stuff that they did for the show, Like
when he's on the rooftop, you can tell like it's
in the studio because the New York drop doesn't even
look real. I know you don't have the time and stuff,
but there's certain things in this show, the little shots
we get in between, like the little New York shots
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and people just doing stuff. It feels like a little
documentary shot, I call it. And then of course when
in the first episode when he was like jumping on
the rooftops and fighting and stuff, when he was doing
some of the actual fighting and the little CGI stuff
that they was doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
With, ya gotta clean it up.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
But that's just me nitpicking at stuff like that, and
all honesty, I get it because sometimes they don't get.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
These folks a lot of time to do stuff, and it's.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Rushed, and I just really wish they would That's my
one grade with Marvel. I wish they would take time
and just clean up a little bit. Just clean it up,
just a little bit. Like I get what reshoots are for,
and you know how it's supposed to be done, but
just clean it up.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I shouldn't. I shouldn't know when it's a reshoot, even
if I still know, I shouldn't know. That's all.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It shouldn't be obvious. It shouldn't be that can tell right.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
There, because even with the tones, like with the fourth episode,
you could tell it was a reshoot episode because a
lot of stuff felt like it was pieced together. Like
I said, the writing is good enough to keep you
on track. So that's why I say it's a good
series because I love a good series with writing, because
I can sit and watch something with two people at
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the table talking for a whole hour in the movie
which I did with Dinner with Andre, which is a
movie where two people meet at the restaurant and they talk,
and I think it's like almost two hours him. So
if the writing's done very well, it works of course,
and y'all know we're gonna get the action. Him and
franken'st team up. Like everything is coming in full effect.
(25:32):
You just gotta be you can't eat your cake and
have it too take little servants.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Like you said, I really do think.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
It's gonna be end up being a great series because
it already was a property that was so good it
really wasn't hard to try to They had the most
so think of not messing it up instead of making
a good show.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
So far, they really keeping the tone the.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Same, all the ideas, riding motifs, characters, all of that
is staying on track even and they're doing a really
good job of bringing in new characters and giving us
a backstory, but not at the same time, it's even
a mystery fuss to figure out where they're coming from
and what's the angles and stuff, even to mirror and
(26:18):
the guy that works with fists, because he might be
a potential muse for fist laid on and that's not
a pun for the actual music character.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
But now, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, he's saying he's going to be mus No, that's
not now.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
There's no inkling of me thinking that managed music Okay,
let's at the record.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
He's a thing. He's like a protege. He thunned him
a little bit. He was like he was.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
He pretty much wanted to do with he with throw him,
and he knows he can't do it. So he put
that theory in them and don't do it again.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
He did.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
The band put their hand on the shoulders. Uh, I
ain't playing with you, you got his New York. I
ain't playing with you, sir. You're playing with you yo.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I'm probably if he didn't put he didn't put a
little pressure on him. It's like that. Let him now.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's only because old girls standing right there. I get Oh,
I get so nervous. When she be trying to tell
him to do stuff. I'd be like, Wilson, please, don't
do it, man. She just doing her job.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Bro, just doing her job. Leave her alone.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm like, man, because the old king pit. She would
have not been in these episodes. She was the first episode.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
When he exactly right when she said something he didn't
like to hear.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Man, what so I'll be so nervous, Like I'll literally
be nervous as hell.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Would she be talking to him and getting telling him
what to do.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
I was like, oh man, I'm nervous.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
When they both were in that theme in the room,
I was like, somebody about to be done.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
And then I'm like about I wanted him.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I was like, so that's just a test to the good, right,
Like we said, Yeah, that's how I should feel when
I'm watching the show.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I should feel like I don't know what the hell
is going.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Like you think for a second, it might be that
moment that something is going to happen, even though it doesn't.
But that's the kind of that's the kind of writing
and storytelling you have to tell. It sucks you into
where you probably know he's not gonna do nothing like that,
but you but you wonder you have that that that
moment where you forget that and you're like fucked in.
(28:28):
I don't know if I'm explaining it well, but it
just sucks you into where you forget that it's a
it's a Disney plush show and they're not gonna just
be killing people off the that crazily like that a
little bit more obvious, but you forget that stuff. But yeah,
I'm riding one at this point. That means about writing.
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With that being said, do you have any final things
to say, we got everything out.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Do you want to rate them or.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I won't.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, I won't rate it because not for okay, not
for fee. Then I will say it is on track
to be a good show. Yes, a very good show.
Definitely on track. I think the more we get with
Frank and Matt and seeing what music is gonna be,
(29:17):
and I definitely think I think Bullseye is busting out,
so they definitely gonna have.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Him back, and I think it like busting. I think
Frank's gonna handle him. I think bull I ain't making
out the Seaton to be Frank. If he out, he's not.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
He got lucky the first time. I don't know how
he lived and fall off the roof was comic.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'd say he's a very lucky man.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That drop.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I was like, nah, he's done.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Like I said, I definitely think the shows on track
to do very well.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Very surprised, but not surprised because I was nervous is
that Disney.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Was doing it. So I'm definitely happy the direction I
see is going on.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So I can't wait to see how this one closes
out this first season because they already agree with a
season two.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And I'm here for it, okay, Like I can take
a minute, Dar Devil they're trying to put out because
I like Dared Devil a lot. He's talking about character
just because he's a representation, not Dared Devil, but Matt Murdo,
actually the representation of blind justice. He can't see nothing,
so he has to go off of what he interprets
from you, the thing that he can't that he can
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see that you're telling the truth, and all these different things.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
So he represents like the normal people in the world.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
If I don't have he doesn't have a fancy house,
high rise, all the newest stuff, cashman suits and stuff
one hundred dollars shoes.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
He just a he's a lawyer. Lawyers make good mone
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But it's still he's just a regular guy, you know, trying,
like you said, trying to do right by people. Because
the fact that he went through all of that with
the guy who's in jail, who they had locked up
for stilling, that just shows you like he really he
takes his job and his responsibility like serious that whole,
Like with great power comes great responsibility. He's the definition
(31:23):
of that, and that's why I think it'll be cool
too that hopefully we'll get more moments with him and Peter.
I know, legally Spider Man can't be in the show,
but in the films, I hope we'll get to see
that because he's definitely a great example of great power
comes great responsibility.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
On that, I'm an end I'm an in my comments
with that, and.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I'm a mind than that.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
It's such that legal stuff outside of the show, with
keeping college book stuff from happening. I think that's suck.
I think that's the worst part about this era of
streaming and stuff. If you can't have things in here
because legally they can't be here.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I'm like, that's a college a character.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Come on, just let it go, all right?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
You failed?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Okay, over bro okay, and I'll believe it at that.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I'm not stified words.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
It's over.
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Welcome, Welcome back on Freaks and Geeks to another amazing
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get more of great content like this. And today we're
gonna be talking about the Man, the myth, the legend,
the Daredevil, and it's born.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yes, sirs, sirs, come back again, born again.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Literally, they brought.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
They brought him back.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
They were like, hey man, what can we do to
get the old fan back? And let's just off that
of that dared devil. Let him have a piece of it.
We're gonna be doing the first four episodes. You know,
we usually do it around here. We do the first
handful of episodes, so you guys understand what you're getting
involved in and if it's even worth your time. Usually
it is. Honestly, these shows have been pretty good recently. Honestly,
(00:56):
another one of those. But Marcus, when it comes down
to this show versus the original, do you think it's
like a fair comparison, Like on the same level, I
would say writing and that energy.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I wouldn't compare it only because the Netflix series had
three seasons, so it was like more so, it's a
lot of content.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I would say I would.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Judge it off of does it flow, Does it feel
like it's the same series, And in a way, it's
still like capsule those elements that made the Netflix series
so good, But you definitely can tell it got like
Disney's touch on it. You definitely can tell, even to
(01:46):
the choices of lighting, certain elements that put in there
a little bit of lightheartedness, even how to how the
sets look like when they're shooting stuff New York and
the day time and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
In the Netflix series, it was a.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Lot like at night, dark lit settings, big vibrant camera
angles and stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So it's definitely you can tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
But as far as like the writing and the characters
and like where they're at, it's pretty much seems like
it has been like seven years, so it doesn't feel like,
oh my goodness, where did this come from? It is
like a whole bunch of new characters, nobody. It seems okay,
we're just catching up with old friends. It definitely kept
(02:35):
a little bit of the essence of that Netflix series,
But as far as the comparison, it's hard to do
because I'm gonna be very biased and just say that
Netflix around was like peak writing and like execution. So
it's hard to compare right now because this is just
one season. I know it's probably gonna be a couple
of more to come after this, but oh man, that Netflix.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So much good came out of that show.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I didn't think for a long time I would ever
see The Punisher again, got the Punisher back, Electra the
hand who else, my boy stick It was so much Foggy,
like the relationship with him and Foggy. You definitely felt
like that mcu touch. How the tone of their shows off,
because they've had shows where it gets a little dark
(03:23):
and serious, like with Echo, Winter, Soldier, Falcon Winning, Soldier Hawkey,
Like those three shows are like that same feel, and
it just it's just like they took those three shows
and heightened the violence and like adult themes. So that's
basically what they did. But the writing, the writing has
been pretty good. And I know a lot of people
(03:44):
in your complaining about all there's not a lot of
action and doing all this talking, and I'm like, y'all
gotta remember, Matt is a freaking lawyer, So if he
chooses not to be a vigilante, he's gonna be a lawyer,
and lawyers are not the most exciting people because a
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lot of their job deals with talking, investigating.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
That's a big chunk of it.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So you're not gonna see him fighting because he's they
stated it in the show that he was giving that
up and benchi Landi's are also illegal now. So there's
a lot of elements that's tied in to why it's
the way it is. But what helps it to your
point of the question that you asked about writing is
(04:33):
the way the characters are set up, with the dialogue
and the writing and the you know, the history between
certain characters is done really good, so it doesn't take
you out of the moment and it's not a whole,
but it goes nowhere.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
No, everything goes somewhere.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I just really think Matt's dialogue with all the
characters in the show, even the new ones that they introduced,
is done like really well, and it shows like the
person that he is and the human side of him.
And that's always made their double such a dope superhero
to me, because he is a good person under that,
(05:09):
under all of that, it's not like he's just rage
monster out there just going around clapping people like Frank.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But yeah, to answer your question, I know that was
like a long one to answer.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Great answer.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, it's very hard to try to compare it, you know,
as far as the show as a whole, but I
would just say I would just probably say more the
differences and what the feel and tone of the show is.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, the way I see it is like that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I think a reason why Daredevil Born Again can do
any of the stuff that it's doing is it just
because the Netflix show did a really good job of
pre dating and free introducing all the the stuff that
we would need for a show like this to even
be successful. If you look at other shows that have
to introduce their characters on the ground up, they don't
(05:58):
have the crutch or not even but the assistant from
a pre existing show. To already have the layers done,
we don't have to have his early roots of him
getting his power and his power but using his powers
for the first time. We already have a whole entire
series about that, so we can get into a new
story of established characters. Everybody who's here for the most part,
(06:20):
we know about, Like Bullseye, we know him, Frank, we
know him King Pid, we know him Foggy, all these characters.
There's a new character they added, but all the existing characters,
they don't have to do much to him a lot
of the and I will say episode fourth probably my
favorite of them so far, even though I do love
the White Panther because man, when he was talking about
(06:40):
what it meant to him as a culture and everything
like that, I was I was just really hooked on that.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
But it was really it was really good writing.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
But I love his back and forth with Frank, and
I love to the thing that I love is like
we get to see the same conversation happen seven years
apart the rooftop and they overlooking. They both were looking
to that they were younger. Frank was himself fraggedly. It's
so paranoid, and you could tell their lives are different.
Daredevil has people in his life. He has his friends
(07:11):
and stuff like that and family he has, but Frank
has no one.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Frank has himself. Frank does not have the.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Access exactly isolated, and anybody who comes to the door usually.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
As someone that's trying to take him out or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So he has to That's why he threw an accent
and Matt right off the back because he was like,
you're coming here to do something, but that's hey man,
it's me man, I'm not here for that. And I
love the dialogue because he's he's it's more or less
the conversation with Matt with himself and punishments, just giving
him the back and forth the Devil's advocate part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
But if Matt coming to the term that he has.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
To be a vigilanti again because it ain't working, he's
coming across the same problem that led him to be
Daredevil in the first.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Wag Yep exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And it's so crazy because they really show how the
two characters marry each other from the mental state of mind,
physical appearance, even like the living state, because Matt.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
He's still living like he's alone. He's by hisself.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He lives by hisself, but like you said, he just
has that outside world connections of friends and stuff and coworkers,
but he's isolated.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
He lives in that big apartment by itself. Frank is
in a.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Whole building, living under the building in the basement by itself.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Matt has his stash, his mask and suits.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Frank has his artillery and all that around him. It
just shows you the paranoia of both characters, like they
still have that paranoid of what's going on around him.
And then to the fact that when we first seen them,
the two talking to each other, having that conversation on
the roof, they were brand new into it, clean cut looking.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
This was like fresh out the gate.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
They were just getting the swing of things with their vigilatism,
and now it's like they've been through a lot of shit.
They torn down, the system is being bunked right now.
They don't know where they lie in this new world
of things. So these are two men that's been like
beating down. They've been through a lot, and then they
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have the traumas that's already occurring with this side their minds.
That now Matt has this new trauma with Foggy because
at first it was his father, but now he's dealing
with Foggy, and like you said, Frank is like pushing him, like, okay, Red,
you came here to get my permission, so I'm finish
give it to you. This is my permission. I'm finished
(09:47):
side your permission, slipt. And it was just such a
great moment because like even to the point where you
saw Matt like finally break down, and it's the fact
that Frank is the one to take him there because
he's literally been through the same thing. He's telling him like, hey,
I hear the voices. That's what tells me to do
what I do. And then even at the end, like
when he leaves out and Frank has that moment he
(10:10):
looking to the side, it's almost like it's something that
voice is coming back a little bit to be like,
it's time for you to get back out there because
ship get crazy on him.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, I love that dialogue so much. I love really,
I love. I don't like that Foggy is air code Dad.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I like, there's too many speculation for me to not
rule him.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The comic books, it's basic comic books, and you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Always have to have that nobody's really.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
No, ready's feel like gone, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So it's a bummer had to happen and he had
to lose a friend like that. But I think at
that point in time, he was like he was getting
to a point where he was okay with leaving that
role that life behind, and it took Bulldye of all
people to bring him back into that.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And on the rooftop, another rooftop.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
He dropped bulls eye off of it because he was like,
I'm done with it, and that's why he did take
off the map because he survived, but he was trying
to kill him.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
He wanted to take that line. Yeah, he cost that line.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
It makes sense why he doesn't want to be in
there and he wants to let the legal system do it,
even though the legal system is cooky and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, they try to send him up boy to jail,
but still in some Carol mil Yeah whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Good scene because he realized that he was trying to
write him off so early, and he realized that it's
a system. It's like the system is bad because he's
just he's he doesn't have money to do anything, so
he has to resort to that to survive. But the
legal system doesn't make an allowance for those kind of
things that happen.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It's like show.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The whole episode was trying to wake him up. Yeah,
wake up man, you know who we need back.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Come on man.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
You The point just to the point now was like
you can't even trust the cops anymore, so we need
you man.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Exactly, We need you back here because the cops are
using their power. And the thing is there's a couple
of things that you know about the cops, is like
the cops were willing the ice that guy in the apartments,
and that just that happened. That happened to be like Okay,
I'm gonna go hang, I'm gonna go see what's up
over there.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And they didn't even care he was a blind person.
They were gonna get they run up on him. They were.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
They didn't know he could, They didn't know he could fight.
Gonna go ahead and do what they do.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
And that's see where he was sitting there, he was
like letting him push them, sitting in the ground, like
stop pushing them, Stop pushing him because.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
He's looking for a reason.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He's looking for even to go back and to be
where he used to be, and you're giving him that reason.
That's why I thought. He was like, I don't want
to give you that reason. He kept telling you. He's
always been saying, I don't want to give you that
reason to go back out there. And so the cop
fested him and he beat the brakes off of him
and then battle cried after he was done.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, like that was.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I do that.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I got a question though, how do you feel about
the direction that they're taking the king Pin's role, because
we do know in the comics, like he takes on
that kind of role of trying to be a mayor
or whatever in New York. But how do you feel
about the direction that's going in and the way his
character is right now this storyline they have.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I mean, we know that king Penn is going to
do what king Pin is gonna do it. He's gonna
get things done the way any way he can so him.
I think he's going to be corrupt because that's just
what he does. He can't keep his hands clean. I'm
waiting for that moment where we see confirmation one hundred
percent that he's doing it, because we speculate that he's
(14:09):
sending out these people enforces out there to kill these
well he sent out he said, well the Punisher look
alike out there to kill White Tiger. And that's what
led Daredevil to go talk to Frank because he's like, Hey,
your boy.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Out there there being real, real radical right now.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They've being real radical under your honor. So I think
we're gonna see that snapping moment because Vanessa is pushing them.
Vanessa's pushing, and he's trying to keep his hands clean,
and she doesn't understand that he's trying to be He's
trying to do things right and at the very least
try and try to do what the people want, whatever
(14:51):
way you can get it done.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But he's trying.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So I think there's gonna be one big slip up
that's gonna let Daredevil have that moment to do what
he's got to do, because we know that king Pin's
gonna is going to be at the end of the
series taking down or put in jail or whatever is
the case, and they're not going to have to be
mayor for more than this theater.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I think this is gonna be wrapped up at the
end of the season.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You think he's not gonna be the mayor at the
end of the show.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
How do you feel? How do you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I think I don't know why. I think somehow he's
gonna stay in there. Yeah, because I think the reason
why I say this is because I think in the
next Spider Man movie they want to have him as
like that background to New York. He's the face, the
(15:44):
new face of that good or evil. Can you trust
him crooked politicians because you always need a good crooked
politician in the superhero movie.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And I think that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So and it definitely will give like Peter more outlets
to his Rose Gallery and give him things now that
he's basically starting over. Yeah, Peter Parker, but spider Man people,
And that's the thing people don't.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
People gotta remember.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now he just asks for people to forget Peter Parker,
but they still know who Spider Man is. So everything
Spider Man has done they remember except for him being
Peter Parker. So that's a cool thing. So I'm thinking
he might get like some name drops.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Like Tombstone, Oh for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, Osbourne's I think Shaka come back because they were
talking about King Brodlet. I think that's how he say
his name, but I forget I say his name. But
the dude play him in the first vider Man film.
They say he might come back. We do know it's
gonna be multi versal whatever they said, So we're probably
gonna see Toby yeah at some point. But my thing
(16:56):
is getting off subject real quick. If we do see them,
hope we get to see them in their worlds and.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Not just them ayah world and Tom.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But I definitely think Wilson will stay around even to
the point.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Where we're gonna get that.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
What I'm waiting for is that that fix the fist
tower like in the games and comments. That's what I'm
waiting for, and I think that's what they're trying to
set up, like with the Peer, that he keeps doing.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
The reason why I say that is because I just want.
I just want they're not dead when Kingpins fight again,
I'm yelling.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Were always down for a good boxing match between them.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Two because it's all exactly and ill. And also, I
honestly just want. I hope Punish you get to another
shot in the series, honestly, just.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Because I know it's supposed to be a special, So
hopefully the special that is good enough to.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Where they want a green like that, because they are
bringing back the I heard their back the Defenders in
some way.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, and then Luke Cage, she said he wants to
come back.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Hey, I'm down.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, it's looking very like Bright a little bit for
this universe is back from the Netflix series. As far
as like with Their Devil, it's going down a steady
pace right now, which is good because people a lot
of people gotta understand that have all these complaints about
stuff when it comes to superheroes like Their Devil, Luke
(18:29):
k even in the DC Universe characters like the question Batman.
The only reason Batman's stories are like so cool and
they always do it is because he's part of the
Justice League. But when we get down to the nitty gritty, like,
it's gonna be a lot of detective work investigating, and
(18:50):
that's just a part of the character.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
So this is what you're.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Gonna get with Their Devil, even when he puts back
on the suit, it's still gonna be a lot of
the same vibes and feeling. I'm just like, you gotta
just be patient. It's one of those He's one of
those characters where the build up it's worth it. At
the end, it's definitely worth it.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
But alsoel like in the Netflix show, it was set
up like that, already set up where we had not
even not an even balance, but at the very least
we got a lot of stood up momented, a lot
of fighter We also got a lot of the lawyer
case stuff, and we got this really and that's Whereason
why I really knew Charlie Cox was a really good
Daredevil was just because you're able to flip between the two.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Of them very well.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He was able to be a very convincing dar though,
but also if Matt Murdoch was on point.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, definitely, I like it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I was just like, I like how too in this
show in this season and the past season. But I
like how they shoot it when he hears certain sounds
or like when they do the it's just black and
you hear all the noises to give us the insight
of what Matt was going on on at that time,
like when.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
He does hear certain sounds and stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I like how they heightened it and then they showed
like how they shoot it with that like blur fit.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I love.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I've always loved how they've done that and the fact
that they kept that going. That's why I say it
just feels like a continuation more than trying to do
a comparison because they kept.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Some of the yeah, the bits and stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
So I will say one thing.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
The one thing I will say, and if you're a criminal,
and that after you you're not getting away from him
because he's able to hear your footsteps and a crowd
of people and.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Your heartbeat and your heart beat, and that man was
walking to his looking and that was behind him and
a good thing, and he following all the way back
to his apartment and with lifting into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And now when he's a tongue, he got the scorpion
thing going on, so now you can get.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
You with that. Get over. So y'all screwed man.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And the fact that my I was taking the darts
to the back of that first theme in the bar, Yeah,
I was like, dang, all right, Matt.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I was soon got like the Alma stuff where it
ain't gonna hurt as bad, but still he was.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Just taking them. I'm like, geez, how man.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, I think he was blood blood listed at that
point in time, like foggy on the ground. I can
hear his heartbeat. Wallam kicking your butt. So I think
they're neble Board again, the great show. I think it's
going to live up to the Netflix, or not even
live up to, but continue that the legacy that the
Netflix shows started.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
And I think it's a definite watch. Like, I think
you should be watching it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
If you are a there Nevil fan or a Netflix
Marble fan, you're gonna love this series.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It's it's faithful. It's so faithful, and.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We got we got a new character too, got to
mention that's fairly new, like in the comics too.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I had never heard mused. I think oh mu music.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I like the mystery that they got behind him, like
how they showed him at the beginning and at the
very end we got to see like that insight. But
throughout the episodes, his presence is there because of the
artwork he's been doing, because.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He signs it. I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I love it, And it's a character I don't really
know anything about. Yeah, I'm really like hyped to see
where that goes.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, I read a little bit about him, so I
know like his power is. It's like the opposite of
what Matt does. His power and where he's able to
finished up and I think he's able to like either
I don't remember one percent, but I think he would
like dampen it or like mess with it, Like he
can take away a lot of that heighten awareness that
dar Nevil has. But alas the artist, so he needs
(22:48):
a blood to make his murals.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, yeah, I saw a little video. Yeah it's gonna
be that's gonna be pretty dope to see man about that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, and if I got any that wrong about me,
that correct me in the comments respectfully, please and thank you.
I'm going on what I read a while back that
might get some things wrong, But so what do you
think about the serious You agree with what I said?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Like it's.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I I will say this got put my film cap
on now, Marvel, you gotta clean up these damn reshoots.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Man, it's very obvious of.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
The reshoot stuff that they did for the show, Like
when he's on the rooftop, you can tell like it's
in the studio because the New York drop doesn't even
look real. I know you don't have the time and stuff,
but there's certain things in this show, the little shots
we get in between, like the little New York shots
(23:52):
and people just doing stuff. It feels like a little
documentary shot, I call it. And then of course when
in the first episode when he was like jumping on
the rooftops and fighting and stuff, when he was doing
some of the actual fighting and the little CGI stuff
that they was doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
With, ya gotta clean it up.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
But that's just me nitpicking at stuff like that, and
all honesty, I get it because sometimes they don't get.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
These folks a lot of time to do stuff, and it's.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Rushed, and I just really wish they would That's my
one grade with Marvel. I wish they would take time
and just clean up a little bit. Just clean it up,
just a little bit. Like I get what reshoots are for,
and you know how it's supposed to be done, but
just clean it up.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I shouldn't. I shouldn't know when it's a reshoot, even
if I still know, I shouldn't know. That's all.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It shouldn't be obvious. It shouldn't be that can tell right.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
There, because even with the tones, like with the fourth episode,
you could tell it was a reshoot episode because a
lot of stuff felt like it was pieced together. Like
I said, the writing is good enough to keep you
on track. So that's why I say it's a good
series because I love a good series with writing, because
I can sit and watch something with two people at
(25:10):
the table talking for a whole hour in the movie
which I did with Dinner with Andre, which is a
movie where two people meet at the restaurant and they talk,
and I think it's like almost two hours him. So
if the writing's done very well, it works of course,
and y'all know we're gonna get the action. Him and
franken'st team up. Like everything is coming in full effect.
(25:32):
You just gotta be you can't eat your cake and
have it too take little servants.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Like you said, I really do think.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
It's gonna be end up being a great series because
it already was a property that was so good it
really wasn't hard to try to They had the most
so think of not messing it up instead of making
a good show.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
So far, they really keeping the tone the.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Same, all the ideas, riding motifs, characters, all of that
is staying on track even and they're doing a really
good job of bringing in new characters and giving us
a backstory, but not at the same time, it's even
a mystery fuss to figure out where they're coming from
and what's the angles and stuff, even to mirror and
(26:18):
the guy that works with fists, because he might be
a potential muse for fist laid on and that's not
a pun for the actual music character.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
But now, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, he's saying he's going to be mus No, that's
not now.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
There's no inkling of me thinking that managed music Okay,
let's at the record.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
He's a thing. He's like a protege. He thunned him
a little bit. He was like he was.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
He pretty much wanted to do with he with throw him,
and he knows he can't do it. So he put
that theory in them and don't do it again.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
He did.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
The band put their hand on the shoulders. Uh, I
ain't playing with you, you got his New York. I
ain't playing with you, sir. You're playing with you yo.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I'm probably if he didn't put he didn't put a
little pressure on him. It's like that. Let him now.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's only because old girls standing right there. I get Oh,
I get so nervous. When she be trying to tell
him to do stuff. I'd be like, Wilson, please, don't
do it, man. She just doing her job.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Bro, just doing her job. Leave her alone.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm like, man, because the old king pit. She would
have not been in these episodes. She was the first episode.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
When he exactly right when she said something he didn't
like to hear.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Man, what so I'll be so nervous, Like I'll literally
be nervous as hell.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Would she be talking to him and getting telling him
what to do.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
I was like, oh man, I'm nervous.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
When they both were in that theme in the room,
I was like, somebody about to be done.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
And then I'm like about I wanted him.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I was like, so that's just a test to the good, right,
Like we said, Yeah, that's how I should feel when
I'm watching the show.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I should feel like I don't know what the hell
is going.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Like you think for a second, it might be that
moment that something is going to happen, even though it doesn't.
But that's the kind of that's the kind of writing
and storytelling you have to tell. It sucks you into
where you probably know he's not gonna do nothing like that,
but you but you wonder you have that that that
moment where you forget that and you're like fucked in.
(28:28):
I don't know if I'm explaining it well, but it
just sucks you into where you forget that it's a
it's a Disney plush show and they're not gonna just
be killing people off the that crazily like that a
little bit more obvious, but you forget that stuff. But yeah,
I'm riding one at this point. That means about writing.
(28:49):
With that being said, do you have any final things
to say, we got everything out.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Do you want to rate them or.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I won't.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, I won't rate it because not for okay, not
for fee. Then I will say it is on track
to be a good show. Yes, a very good show.
Definitely on track. I think the more we get with
Frank and Matt and seeing what music is gonna be,
(29:17):
and I definitely think I think Bullseye is busting out,
so they definitely gonna have.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Him back, and I think it like busting. I think
Frank's gonna handle him. I think bull I ain't making
out the Seaton to be Frank. If he out, he's not.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
He got lucky the first time. I don't know how
he lived and fall off the roof was comic.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'd say he's a very lucky man.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That drop.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I was like, nah, he's done.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Like I said, I definitely think the shows on track
to do very well.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Very surprised, but not surprised because I was nervous is
that Disney.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Was doing it. So I'm definitely happy the direction I
see is going on.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So I can't wait to see how this one closes
out this first season because they already agree with a
season two.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And I'm here for it, okay, Like I can take
a minute, Dar Devil they're trying to put out because
I like Dared Devil a lot. He's talking about character
just because he's a representation, not Dared Devil, but Matt Murdo,
actually the representation of blind justice. He can't see nothing,
so he has to go off of what he interprets
from you, the thing that he can't that he can
(30:36):
see that you're telling the truth, and all these different things.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
So he represents like the normal people in the world.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
If I don't have he doesn't have a fancy house,
high rise, all the newest stuff, cashman suits and stuff
one hundred dollars shoes.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
He just a he's a lawyer. Lawyers make good mone
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But it's still he's just a regular guy, you know, trying,
like you said, trying to do right by people. Because
the fact that he went through all of that with
the guy who's in jail, who they had locked up
for stilling, that just shows you like he really he
takes his job and his responsibility like serious that whole,
Like with great power comes great responsibility. He's the definition
(31:23):
of that, and that's why I think it'll be cool
too that hopefully we'll get more moments with him and Peter.
I know, legally Spider Man can't be in the show,
but in the films, I hope we'll get to see
that because he's definitely a great example of great power
comes great responsibility.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
On that, I'm an end I'm an in my comments
with that, and.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I'm a mind than that.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
It's such that legal stuff outside of the show, with
keeping college book stuff from happening. I think that's suck.
I think that's the worst part about this era of
streaming and stuff. If you can't have things in here
because legally they can't be here.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I'm like, that's a college a character.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Come on, just let it go, all right?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
You failed?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Okay, over bro okay, and I'll believe it at that.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I'm not stified words.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
It's over.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
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