May 11, 2025 • 49 mins
Join us as we celebrate Black History Month by discussing black representation in comics and movies, highlighting key black superheroes, their origin stories, and their impacts. They explore historical and modern portrayals, underscoring the importance of visibility in media.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, welcome back, our freaks and geeks to another
podcast from the one of the greatest podcasts on there,
Square on Table Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know, I'm your host by market Mob and today
we have a Marcus and today we have a special podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's February. February February. Is it is black history more? Yes? Yes, yes, yes,
Happy Black Cats stream mouth for sure. And with tradition
of the Square on Table podcast, every year we do
something black Pintrick in February for Black had stream month.
We've had the guests on, We've done different podcast topics,
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but this time we decided to keep it in the
comic book around because we were talking about last podcasts
about everything being woke. You can check that out on
the script in description down below, and also our various
other podcasts that we're watching or that you can't be watched.
But that was a great podcastapoil everything. But this podcast
will probably piggyback a little bit off of that in
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the same vein just the time. Well it's a tiny
fat but yeah, happy black How federally been for you? Man?
How been blackcasts have been for you?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Even though it's the shortest month, my favorite month because
I just love to celebrate us our contributions to not
just the country that we live in the United States,
but just the world for everything we get to see
and that we get to see now as a product
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of what happened before us, and it shows like we're
standing on the shoulders of so many people that laid
to the groundwork. So it's one of my favorite months.
I always try to learn something I didn't know, and
as the years get, as I get a little older,
sometimes I'll be like, dang, I already know that, But
I always find something that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Know every yeah, year, every year.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So it's definitely a delight.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I even like being a film junkie, always watched some
black films by black writers, directors, documentaries like I'm trying
to really incorporate it and what I do. Yeah, well
T shirt like every day to work under my shirt.
So just a way to remind myself this is is
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really an important month.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So yeah, yeah, I agree, it's a very important month
for us, but also just for everybody to learn what
we can contributed to America, whether it's the peanuts or
the elevator door. The elevator door thing, Yeah, that was
a contribution, or the stoplight.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Or the the home security system, the game countries. There's
so many things.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
End of the day, as I was thinking, for a
lot of podcasts, everything's woke. You just don't know it.
Right back around there, all right, Seeing that we're gonna
be talking, I think we're talking about black representation and
superhero representation or just in general representation and media.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right, I want to as I've talked to you off camera,
I want to focus in on like superhero representation. Yeah,
live actually, because it's a pivot. It's a real pivotal
time right now. When it comes to superhero films. It's like,
what's the word I'm looking for a superhero? I cannot
find my words? Or you get too much of something,
(03:37):
what's the word you're doing.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I know what you're trying to say. I wouldn't even
say an overload, but it's like a lot of the
of content that's not the right word that you're thinking of.
But I think it's in the same you.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Don't know what we're trying to say.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, So right now, what's been like up and
down with superhero films, especially like Marvel.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So the New the America is out and with Ethony MACKI.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So it's been a lot of controversy about that, but
there's a man of color who is taking taking up
the shield and it has become Captain of America.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I was hearing like all.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The negative reviews and then people were going saying, no,
it's not that bad.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So you know, I went to see it. It was
a good film.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So it just made me think, how far have we
come in all the like different stages we've gone through.
How we seemed like we was getting somewhere, then we
came back and then it was another roadblock.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I was just thinking about that because.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Even with that, if we go like way way way back,
like the and I'm talking about the beginning of like
most pictures, like before they even knew they could shoot
a whole film, the way we were.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Represented was not pretty at all.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So always when I talk about something like this, always
go back to a film that I cannot stand and
we had to watch it in film history, and it's
one of the most racist films ever.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It's called Birth of a Nation.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
D W.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Griffith, and in that movie it portrays us as villains
and savages, and that it was a scenario where we
won the war, we took over the government, and we
tried to destroy the country. Was raping the women.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And YouTube you can't say that word, but.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, I keep forgetting that metube.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But yeah, they were doing things like that, attacking the
women and taking out the men and trying to control them,
and they just portrayed us and savages and the heroes
was a clansmen and they rolled down and dejected them
up and all that. So in a response to that,
(05:53):
Oscar Michelle, who was like one of the first like
black people to actually like self produced their films, his
own films and have his own studio, all black cast writing, directing,
he responded that I think it was like Within Our
Gates was the film, and that was like his response
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to Birth of the Nation, to show this is what
it is from my point of view, it's not that's
not what happens. This is the truth of America. So
I go to say that simply to say that from
a negative it started at a very negative portrayal, even
with the black face and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
The mental shows.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Once, I really would say, once comic books became a
thing and we started to see like black heroes and
like comic books and even the stories that reflected certain
situations that all people were going through, like the civil
rights movement.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You get X Men, certain stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So once that came upon us, I think we really
didn't start seeing like a superhero archetype until Blaxploitation. Yeah
WHI y'all really don't like that name because it's negative.
That's how everybody identifies those films. Those were like they
like superheroes before they're predated like all the ones that
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would come after, because they were like powerful characters and
they did all this cool stuff. They dressed cool, and
they reflected by people were but at the same time
they still were characters because some of the stuff they
was doing was like, hey, like I get it, this
is not reality. Taking out of We got like cheft,
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sweet bag, even female character leaves like coffee. And then
one of the first ones that was like actual superhero
was a bar the first first Superman, I forget the title,
but he basically got like a serum he took gave
him superpower, so it was like a Captain of America Superman.
You get that whole thing. And once that came we
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going to probably the era that me and you know,
and it's most familiar with is that I call them
the de five ones.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And the lead men was the nineties.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yep, so the I'm gonna say this movie, but the
first one to live action black hero movie with a
lead role is the one and only by the great
Robert Townsend media Man.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
It was the first time that we got to see
someone looked like us, like on the screen doing cool shit.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's one of It's one of those fans that kind
of will get lost in time. Yeah, if you want
to watch it, you really gotta either like find like
have a DVD of it somewhere, or you know, it
just might happen to pop up on the stream and
service randomly or something. But they don't even they really
even play it on TV. I see blank Man on
TV more than I do Media Man. So that was
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like one of the ones I remember, like very early on.
And the crazy part is I saw the show pain
Parenthood before that, and I was like, oh, this is
the dad from Parenthood. I was like, oh, he played
and even the movie came out before the show, but
that's I was like, Okay, so we get all these
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like dope roles in the nineties but to that extent,
they all weren't like successful because we got things like
Still that wasn't a successful film, but it had a
lead roles. Yeah, they red Spawn. I'm just saying Spawn.
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It wasn't as successful, but it wasn't bad. But it
also was the actual like first live action comic book
black lead hero, so you got that was just like
a little bit ahead of his time.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So it was. And I think what really makes people
like give it like bad rap? It's definitely the FIGII doesn't.
It doesn't hold the best of it, but it could have.
And that's some people slack on it. But honest cool
like it's he Michael J. White did a great job,
phenomenal job carrying that character, and I would love for
it to for surely get it for him, and if
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not him, someone else can get to that give it
another shot.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
But the longest it's been Jamie FOXX. But I don't
know if that's still true. I don't know because they've
been saying that for like the past six years now,
that Jamie fox movie, but I doubt.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Look, we're still waiting for a Blade movie, okay, which was.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Like a couple of days ago. It happened.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I don't talk about Michael J. White. I like that
he got to play Blade in Midnight Sun. That's that
was cool. I like that they gave him like that role.
And before we get moved on from like nineties, it's
like we had the Blade trilogy that led to a
lot of MVU stuff even happening.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, hey, Blade was to go child Man. It's sae.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It literally single handedly saved Marvel and it also showed
that you can have a movie with a black lead
that's a superhero film and it could do well. But
also I think what heard it too was the ones
that came before, Like we said, like still black Man
Media Man, because even though black Man the Media Man
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is like a cult classic, it didn't do well. When
something doesn't do well, that's even going back to something
like The Wiz.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
We all love the Wiz, but.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It didn't well. So in Hollywood, when it doesn't make
money or it's not doing well, it's oh, okay, see
we tried to do it, but.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Now we're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, we don't see the numbers.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
So then we go into this it's a long period too.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You go into the two thousands and it goes to
like back to the supporting roles, like it's superhero the
superhero movies are starting the bro but all the black
heroes and characters are like supporting roles black characters or
they might.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Just be a cameo.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Even because even with X Man, yep, we had Storm,
but Storm felt like important role. She was even third
to Gene and all them, and I was like, Storm
is literally like the strong, like the most powerful on
the team, and she was the leader.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Of the X Man exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, it gets frustrated because like at this time for
me and you, we're old enough to be like, Okay,
I know what this is.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I understand superheroes.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm starting to get into comic books, and it's like
frustrating because the really only media where you're getting good
quality like leads are an animation. That's cool, but I
want to see it live, like real. So you know,
it was like a frustrained time because we weren't really
seeing that like those lead roles.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, and speaking on Storm, we haven't necessarily gotten the
acrid Storm that we've represent on movies. And we're talking
about black representation. There's a difference between giving representation like
Holly Berry's character and actually giving an authentic version of
that character like that you see in the comics. It's
Holly Berry's Catwoman with an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
For sure, what every like video I watched, just watch
the stuff about black superheroes that she comes up in
every video and they don't even know that movie wasn't
as good. They always bring it up. And I love
it because it's like, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And you take the and when it comes to representation,
especially in throughout history and black history, we take what
we can. Like you not a great movie, but you're like, hey,
like Holly Berry Catwoman, great, We'll take it. It's added
to the lexicon of like representation, even if it's not
the greatest one. And maybe later on we get better
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representations of those things later on down the line. So
not the great representation, but representation is getting better. Now
we're getting better. We have Black Panther, we have eventually
played Miles is going crazy in the animated universe. So
we're in Captainica and Sam Wilson's Captain America is amazing.
I haven't seen the movie, but I love everything I
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see from it, and I love that he's carrying on
the representation because Captain America has a character has never
been a like a racial thing. It's always been like
the representation of the dream. You know, anybody can be
Captain America, just like anybody can be Spider Man. That's
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the whole idea.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So anybody can really do a lot of these exactly.
I think the only exceptions you really can get when
it comes to like thor and stuff like that, because
that's like mythology mixed with superheroes.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
But like a lot of these kids, it's.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like Iron Man, can you get rear, yes, our heart,
Like we said Miles with Spider Man, with the whole
they don't do a black character, but we do get
the Asian America.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So it's like pronounced that. Yeah, I know it's birthday,
but I feel like i've budget it.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, you said it right, you said it like like
we said, literally, anybody could be like these certain heroes.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It doesn't matter about what color, who it is. It's
like all.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Sorry, because then at the end of the day, like
when I look at when I look at any of
the characters, I don't go oh, I don't acknowledge their race.
I just go, oh, that's a superhero. He's doing superhero things.
He has traits that I want to aspire to if
I look at a hero. That's why it works so well.
Like when you have the Miles and Captain America being
both black characters, or Spider Man and my Captain Amber
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being both black characters. Now it's like it represents us,
but they also still have the heroes characters or character
or like characteristics of what I was trying to say,
Just be cool, guys were twenty twenty five. It's all right,
it did your tells in some different stuff. It's okay,
but I.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Got get to see the temperature.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I got a question for you, though, we're talking about
representation and heroes. What are like five heroes that you
would all Let's say at least five. I won't say
I won't flock you in the five. Let's say at
least five, or it's go the five as you can get.
Maybe you don't have five, but how many? What are
characters that are black that you want to see either
live actual to get more reprepentation in some kind of media.
(16:37):
They can be Marvel then DC, they can be a Milestone,
it can be any kind of area.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Definitely off the rip.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I come. Oh yeah, definitely off off.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
The riff rip. I would love to see Blue Marvel. Yeah,
it used to be it used to be missed terrific,
but we finally getting mister terriffic.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Now, yeah, exactly knocked that one out.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Who else I can Blue Marble to see? Still?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I want still like you want to write back another? Try?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, let's take another.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Let's take another work at that one.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I can't even take my water, bro, you got man?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
That was awful. Who else?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It's a recent it's a comic and it's more recent,
and we had one of the collaborators from that comic
on the show. I would love to see the Harriet
Tubman Demons later.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Could be a show. I would love to see that.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
That could be an animated show for sure. Where could
be a live action I thinking it work? Is live action?
Walking down twenty seasons?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Give me that walking Dead Muddy?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That's three three right now?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I thought you three. I thought you did four?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, yeah, come Blue marm was still tup.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
What's another one?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I was just thinking about this and now I can't
remember who the one. I can't remember the main one
that I was thinking about Now, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I got some deep cuts, okay with your deep cut.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Like some heroes, people don't even really know about night Thrasher.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I was the night that Asher. I actually had night Thrasher.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, he's basically like a night Wing slash Daredevil type
character with a little bit of hardware in there.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, would be a good one too. You just all
all my all my picks, then you just grab it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Because honestly, bro any any of the mousetone even like
the Bloods and.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
The about the fact. I didn't want to put them
at the group because I was doing like single parents,
but I thought about him.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I was like, you could put them guys as a group, man, Yeah,
don't put them together.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Man, I'd love to see that. For mine, I put
Vixen because we didn't get Victen, but I want to
feel like more because we didn't get into c W,
which I appreciate, but I want more. Yeah, I want
a movie.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I want them to show like the origin of that
Hamlet and how it was passed down through generations.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Like exactly, I agree, And then I said icon, but
I also included Rocket because they can pack it to
the you got one or the other Static for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I was just gonna say, and see how it works.
You could do icon Rocket introduce Static in that universe
is one of the students at school. How hard we're
working at one of the building the labs, and then
you already got the universe right there?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Hey, df get on it, man, you got the what
they got. I feel like they got the rights to them,
don't they They do right about I thought they had
a collapse or something like that. Uh, throw out a
little bit of Brother Vood, who like really put Brother
Voodoo out there.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That's a good one. Yeah, dude, that would be like
Auld almost like a Now, I would bring back Sam Raimond. No,
I would bring Jordan Peel to do that ash yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, yeah yeah. But I want these characters done right.
I don't want you to just throw in and throw
it out there just to teethe it or whatever. I
want you to, like legitimately do it right because I
feel like I feel like the one I'm most protective
at this point in time, it's definitely Static because he's
my favorite of the characters. He's top five easily, and
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I don't want him to mess him up because it's
like you can easily mess him up with whatever you
want to talk about his origin story, because the origin
story for static and the original or not original, and
the animated TV shows one I like the most, not the.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It sticks to the original comic exactly was Gang Wars
and doing the gang because he was being bullied and
then he ended up being down at the harbor when
they unleashed the toxins the gas and it was mixed
with the stuff and the big Bang Bang babies and.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
All that, so exactly. Yeah. And the reason I said
the animated show is because I don't want people to
get compete with the comic books, because there's two different
comic book runs of the character now, and I want
him to stick to the animated which is close to
the original and not the newer one.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
The original, by the way, is then three yes, the
newest milestone.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
What was it like, reborn or something boring?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Rebirth rebirth or reborn or something like that. But let
me ask you a question, if you were gonna get
a static, which version of the character you are outfit
costume wise, which.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm going with the classic spandics with the in the
yellow jacket. Like I always like how the first costumes
of a hero are kind of like a homemade looking costume,
which would be realistic for teenagers who don't have no money.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Made, But however, if they put like a new spin
on it or keep that same vibe, I'm not mad
at it at all. Just all I messing is, don't
give him a hoodie. I don't get the whole hoodie
vibe with his superhero, black superhero. He gotta have a hoodie?
What does that do for him?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
He's not He's not a Saxon.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Even Outphet because the ninety version of the animated version,
he had a he had a jacket on, and it
was a jacket.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But I'm talking about like the ones one like yeah, yeah,
I could get.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I get if it's a jacket.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Like okay, I just want to make an instinction for sure,
because I like animated. That's the first one I was experienced.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
How he never put on the hood He really never
did because it was yeah and oh, I definitely want
to see that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
A Nanci character from the Static as Shall.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Who is a folklore character.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yes, So that's another form of like story like heroes
and stores that we had way before we even got
fil Like folklore, you get like John Henry, and and
people always like associated folk flo with made up characters,
but a lot of these characters were based besides because
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that's a folk lott African mythology. But John Henry was
based off story that from something that happened. You know,
a lot of it came from what people heard at
that time because he didn't have the internet, didn't have TV.
Newspapers was fairly new, and a lot of the slaves
couldn't read, so they would these stories would get passed
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now even to like real people like Harry Tupman, she
was the folklore at first because nobody had seen her.
They just heard that somebody was helping free free slaves,
so she became a folklore. So it's that's how these
like heroes in these fables started, like within African American
coach and a lot of them was brought from Africa
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and americanized when we got over here.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But like those stories.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So it's crazy that you say that, because that's definitely
a part of our history when it comes to this
media and like folklore, and that's how we get most
of the stories we're getting. If they had a Nazi
in the man, that would be dope, like that whole
episode when he went to Africa and stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That was one yeah time and oh in the show,
but also of all time, like I love that episode.
Adding the John Stewart episode, but that's just for another reason.
I just like seeing John Stewart. I'm glad we're getting
a John Stewart show now. So he wasn't on my list.
For the fact that we're getting a show of him
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what I'm excited for. I'm excited to see what they're
gonna do with that story. And I'm glad we're starting
to get more or better representation than we used to
have these characters. I just hope that when they introduce
these characters, they don't for example, we're vixed, and they
don't water her down to fit into a into the universe,
give her out of her full strength. Don't give her
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some limitation or anything like that that she never had
full fledged that's what Icon too. Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, y'all treat him with the same respect, give him
the same kindistic story and also his powers and stuff.
Don't don't come weak and all that and keep him
as a Republican. That's what makes his character good. That's
what gives him an I come like that him in
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Rocket Rocket that back and forth that they always.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Have so mm hmm exactly. And also, don't be afraid
of brother Voodoo. Let him voodoo his way to everything,
like don't please, don't like do your research fleet and
thank you. Don't do what they do with every like
Voodoo character where they're like the villain of every story
and stuff like that. Respect the respect the lower Okay, yeah,
(26:32):
what's that being said? I have a follow up question
about to ask you. Do you know the first black
superhero and comic books?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I do?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, okay, it's lying man. Yeah, there we go. Good.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
He always be trying to get me. He just wanted
to make sure. Okay, I got one for you.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Oh no, all right, sorry.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
After Blade in the nineties, when was the next film
where a black lead was in a superhero movie? When
was when was the next black leads superhero movie? They
came out? Oh, man, I'll help you out. It didn't happen.
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It was in the two thousands, but it was in
the later the latter years of the two thousands.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The ladder years of the two thousands. Like we're not
talking ten and above, we're talking about like straight two thousands,
yeah before okayeesh, it's not pumping away. It's not that
because that that's still a black lead. But it's not
that I'm racking my brain because I feel like I
know it, but I feel like I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Oh, you know it, you know it? And when I
say it, if you don't get.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It, that you did say because it's I'm all right,
I'll give you one more hit, one more heady.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
The actor who played the role is a big time actor,
like big box office.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Big box office.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Okay, let's say, especially in the nineties, he was big
box office.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Jeez Ah, you got me. He stopped me. Jeez I
bad about it. You ready, I'm ready Handcock god yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh wait, oh wait, oh wait.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
See I knew you do it a year. I said,
he knows it. I said, but he going deep in
the bad because because people are gonna say black panther,
but it's not. It was handcuffed. I'm here.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I knew black panther, wasn't it, because I was like
that step before that, I was like there, knew it
because I watched Handcock. I watched Hancock so much that
I'm sure people.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I would love for Will Smith to come back and
do Handcock.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
He is coming back. You didn't hear then day he's
looking for the day, he's looking for the data to
be the daughter or something like that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Man, I'm definitely down for that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, So I'm interested in in in that for sure,
because like Hancock is one of them movies that is
just really it's really good. Like it's like, before you
watch the movie and you hear this snasis, you're like, Okay,
you don't know what you're expecting, and then you watch
it and you're like, this is really good. Will Smith
did great, amazing portraying it. And I hope that the
(29:47):
second one lives up to the first one is as
good as the first one after it being so long.
But yeah, I wish, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I couldn't. I had to think that like clue, but.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You couldn't give it off to me, Yeah, because I
was like, you said it. If you would have said
the year, I probably would have left it because that
movie is so quotable, so quotable. And then also the
(30:22):
Wayne brothers are coming back for a scary movie six
and possibly White Chicks too, so we're gonna get some
more directors and black directors out there. Jordan Piel is
doing a great job. But the Wayne's brothers are coming
back to and adding more to the pot of representation
for sure, which I'm excited for that.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, uh, I do have another question.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Oh God, you's coming for me today? All right, this is.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Not as bad because a good way to bring everything.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Together, central it all together in a good pot.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
On Top five Black Top five live action characters, African
American characters, and it could be from a show on
film that it gotta be live action. We need to
go first, or you want to go first, you go first.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Let me get Yeah, I need a little bit of time.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I'm going one Blade.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Black Panther, even though we have all like little problems
with the movies, yeah, it's still that still was amazing
Black Panther Storm.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Okay. Are we talking about live action depiction or we talkdiction?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Oh Holly bearry because the Apocalypse and all that ship like
nothing to her. But the way they wrote he was terrible.
My four is gonna it's gonna get you my four
and five. You you ain't gonna expect these to Okay,
So four I got a night sister, from Watchman.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought I remember.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, she was a badass, you know, like literally a superhero.
We got that reparations like her family getting messed up
in the Tusa massacres, Like she got her stuff back
for that, and that's how she was living good. So
that was cool to see something like that happened to
(32:31):
her characters. You know, something that in the real world
we've been trying to get in motion for years, So
it was dope to see that. Then for my number five,
they showed don't it doesn't get enough love, And I
think that as far as like the portrayal of the
character actually did really good and I love that first
(32:51):
season it's Luke Cage.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Man, you stating my stuff, but okay, yeah I got
some fire. But yeah, Luke Cage definitely for sure. I
agree Luke's don't get I hope he comes back for
the NC for sure. Like he's just it's such a
good character. And I do like the black importation part
of it, even though.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
That's what we.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Love about it. I can agree with that also.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw Blade up there, for sure.
I'm throwing Spawn up there. But I do love Michael J.
Wise depiction for sure as too. I'm going instead of
Luke ca'se I'm going Misty Night because she was in that,
So I'm gonna go that one. I'm gonna I'll let
you have Luke Cage. I think, not anything of live action.
(33:44):
I'm not doing a storm. I'm actually gonna do the
live action viction that we did get from the CW
universe because I actually that's the reason I've actually stayed
or stayed in the plot for that show, because everything
else was taken for me. Jeez, I gotta think of
another live action I think, because it's gotta be. I
(34:07):
don't want to. I like, I love Blade and does
the great job, but I'm trying to try to not
jump on your list and try to try to get
out of that character. I kind of think, jeez, there's
a lot of characters they're coming to my brain right
now that have to narrow him down. Uh cheez. There's
(34:28):
too many things going on in my mind right now.
Give me a second. There's just so much coming into it,
Like you understand, h.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Jeez. I'm not having a hard time thinking of the
last I want to. Yeah, I know it's what I'm
gonna do. I'm not going to do him as Captain America,
but I will do him as a Falcon, because my god,
Falcon is a maid. They sold Falcon to me. I
love talking in the comic books and in the video games.
(35:02):
Because he was in a Marvel Alliance three. I liked
him in that. Well. Anthony Mackie carries the charis the charisma,
so I will give it to Anthony MACKI he will
make my top five. I haven't seen Captain Evan in
the Captain American movie, so I'm sure he will definitely
rank up, but its Falcon appearance definitely. I was just
(35:23):
sold from Winters Soldier onward. I was sold anytime he
came on the screen. I was like, this is gonna
be good. Like I say, my list will probably been
in the same majority if I didn't try to diversify it.
But you were snatch at all the good ones. For sure.
I shouldn't let you go first. Honestly, I was my mistake.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You did.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
You gave it the option you did. But also great picks,
for sure, great picks. All of them are great picks.
The Watchman one I haven't like. I said, I haven't
got a chance to watch The Watchman, but I did
watch What Your Name video? Fantastic Frankie's video on it
of her of how they wrote her, and I was like,
all right, I gotta check that out because it really
(36:03):
folded for me, you know, because I haven't had a
chance to take a backlog for shoulder. Increasing of the
days go on, you know, I got a lift of
things I'm still catching up on, so you know, definitely,
and Regina King is an amazing actress. She definitely yeah,
(36:25):
I like I said, not only is she the iconic
and Hueye, but she's also in the heart of They Fall,
which is a great Western movie. If you want to
take it. If you want to take yeah, you want
to take the review of that video. We did a
review a couple of years back. We'll have it in
the prescription. But yeah, yeah, it's a great movie. And
I'm sorry to cut you off. I just wanted to
(36:46):
plug it in.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
No, definitely was.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I rewatched it and I appreciate a lot more on
the second time watching the first time.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It's great. Everybody in there the standout everybody it was
in a bag in that movie. Yea, And I want
to add a sixth one. I want to put Jonathan
Major in there, the role of King, because my god,
he sole that one. But now we're talking about that movie.
I was like, yeah, and it's tragic what happened and
(37:19):
the fact that they're writing him out of the story,
and that's hat the other for cash grab. I'm just
gonna call it what it is. And I hope that
his career boost off of this and he go to
do a lot of great things from this mistake that
happened or however you want to say it. But it
wasn't something that wasn't done right in his favor. So
(37:40):
I hope his career bounces back. But also like I
wish King would have what they would have actually utilized
King a lot better. Hi, Roachie, bro she's sitting here.
He's right there. He's hanging out.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
We're gonna get you some headphones in the mic.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Man, get your from Merch too, cat Merch. Eat about it.
You're telling me no num more podcasts or you want to.
He wants all that.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It's all about me. Look at her, she was almost done, brochy, Gosh, we're.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Not he Look at him, he's covering the kind of
get in front of the camera. What they did when
I'm trying to use that, they like hop in front
of the camera. Look at he's flopping and guys, that's
that is he is one of the everythings.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
But yeah, bro So talked about a lot of good stuff,
have some good history lessons, Like we talked about like
the progression of the heroes, how they're being portrayed where
it is now and it's in this weird, like in
between place. Yeah, it was like progressive but not it's
(38:59):
like it's in the middle ground right now. I would
be happy when we do get back to having those
lead roles. And I would like to see more original characters.
I agree, and blank Man like stuff like that go
out of the box because you don't have to go
to the comic books to do these characters. Because the
things about heroes they can look sound have They could
(39:24):
be like a Superman type character, but it doesn't have
to be a Superman. It could be a man even
if you want to go for like the lesser known
characters like we said, like I said, Night Threshold, that's
light Ow, it's characters out there that's they have good stories.
So exactly hopefully we'll get to that place again soon.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, hopefully, hope we're at a place where I think
there might be a swing coming our way with with
how do you feel about the Captain American movie? Whoever
was watching this, him being Captain America is the big thing,
it is. It means a lot, especially at the time
we are right now and not to getting gloom, but
(40:07):
in fact, at the period of time we are right
now and everything, it's good. It's good to see black
Man wearing the stars and strikes however way you feel
about that, because that's a whole other, a whole in itself,
so it is good to see that, and.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's unfair to put like so much pressure on that film.
But it's like the one that if it's which it
is right now, very is doing very good, like it
could be the one to like give us like the
standings and outcome movies because we see that this performs well,
actually does good. Excuse me the people who look like
(40:48):
the person in the movie going to see it. It's
one of those things that's very important, and like you said,
at a very crazy time.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
It's so crazy like that this.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Movie is out now with what's going in a real
like live even when it's coming out during Black History Month.
Just all the stuff that's going on right now, it's
like entertainment wise, like crazy during this is like a
really pivotal moment and it can really shift some things
(41:17):
and put it in line in the universe.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
So it's yeah, it's feeling like not in the same
vein as like how important the Spider Verse movies were,
like with Miles leading it at that point in time,
and how those movies at that point in time were
very important. And I'm glad that they're doing great, and
i hope that the last one is a banger being
(41:39):
a being pushed into overdrive in the twenty twenty. Everything
that happens with a black lead is important at this
point in time. It's everything has to go right for
us to keep getting better representation because if we don't, and.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, that's you just said, some heavy ship that sucks
that we have to it has to be good and
done right, because if not, it's like we go back
another five years or something.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
It's the craziest exacts. I would say, Then they support
these movies, go out and watch them or stream them,
whatever you gotta do. Go out and show like we
did for Black Panther, go out there.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
The same kind of energy out because at the end
of the day, if it's that bad, then you definitely
are going to.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Know before you see it. But just give it a chance.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And even with stuff that, always go myself to see
because even if it's okay, they were right it's bad,
at least I got a chance to experience it and
give it my own like myself, like my own opinions.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
The same with this.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Just support it, and you know what something is a
BS so like for's it's like BS so just go brothers.
Love that has worked very hard to get to where
he's at exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
We don't work for Marvel. Marvel. Don't listen. As much
as we've talked about Marvel, they are not paying us
for this, or do you think that neither one of
are paid for any of the positive you know, reviews
of things we've given their movies. In this thing, they're
not paying us for that. We are talking from the
heart because I feel like this, if it's a bad movie,
(43:32):
let's say for the instance it is. The representation is important.
We have kids. We had bad representation or representation that
just was like not great. But we showed up for it,
and now we have better representation. So everything, even if
it's bad, needs to be showed up and showed out
for so that we can get better ones in the future.
So I'm not trying to tell you to go watch
(43:57):
the movie, but please go watch the movie. Let's go
out there and show from love for it, good or bad.
Show up for someone who is worked in you know,
probably more likely his entire career to get to this point,
Anthony Mackie. Support that guy. He's a good dude from
what I know, So support him. Go out there and
(44:19):
show him some love, man, show him a community that
they there with him. And with that, I'm gonna get
off my thoatbox because I got in a little flat
box there. But it felt like it was needed to
be bad.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
It's fine, man. Like I said, we talked about a
lot of things, history, representation, how far we come, what
is what does it look like to go see a
black film with a hero.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
As the years come, things are going for good, things
are going to change.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
And also I think it will be important and I
see this happening a lot with other things, having black writers,
directors do some of these films, not because it's a
black hero, but because we need that like culture part,
I might understands what just being African American is like
in the in America, so those things will make more sense.
(45:12):
So if it's a if it's a hero that's from
Louisiana and he's like in Washington, DC, now that's Falconum
somebody like that Louisiana and how that cultural appropriation. But
it's like, hey, this.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
I ain't saying we gotta have Gumbo and all that.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
It has to represent us in that person so that
way we can connect to the character, just like they
do for all the other characters and all that just
the simplize like Superman. Superman is an alien, but he
lives in Kansas. That's very relatable and they get it
down to the te what that's like. So we need
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
So you know, sorry, I would saying we need the
movie to have the soul of what that culture is like.
It needs feel exactly or have the same essence of
what that person would be like in a different environment
going from Louisiana or the Louisiana going to Washing exactly
(46:13):
and having that experience or having that person go through
what that would be like from that perspective and be relatable.
And I happened when you have people that represent that
culture at least in the writing room or at least
directing something, because there's certain things that certain other communities
just don't. They can hear it, but they don't really
(46:35):
understand it. There's hearing and then there's understanding.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Just like said, but you can feel, you know what
it is, hot col on the back of your neck,
get in your head like pressed and all that. So
it's things like that. On that note, I think I
don't think I have anything else to say? What about you?
Speaker 1 (46:54):
D oh no, I wrapped up my stuff with the
with my I got back up myself thoughts and I
got back off again. I got back on it for alack.
It doesn't pay that one thing. And he got back off.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Get like a little character on the side.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Adam little animation. He pulled out a little box.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
It'll come what time?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Man he is? It is the shameless promotion, a.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Little a little chef with it. Who is the man
who gives us shameless promotionals? Demitrice, he's a bad mother.
Shut your mouth, it's gonna take away d.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know, I'm your host by market Mob and today
we have a Marcus and today we have a special podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's February. February February. Is it is black history more? Yes? Yes, yes, yes,
Happy Black Cats stream mouth for sure. And with tradition
of the Square on Table podcast, every year we do
something black Pintrick in February for Black had stream month.
We've had the guests on, We've done different podcast topics,
(00:46):
but this time we decided to keep it in the
comic book around because we were talking about last podcasts
about everything being woke. You can check that out on
the script in description down below, and also our various
other podcasts that we're watching or that you can't be watched.
But that was a great podcastapoil everything. But this podcast
will probably piggyback a little bit off of that in
(01:07):
the same vein just the time. Well it's a tiny
fat but yeah, happy black How federally been for you? Man?
How been blackcasts have been for you?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Even though it's the shortest month, my favorite month because
I just love to celebrate us our contributions to not
just the country that we live in the United States,
but just the world for everything we get to see
and that we get to see now as a product
(01:40):
of what happened before us, and it shows like we're
standing on the shoulders of so many people that laid
to the groundwork. So it's one of my favorite months.
I always try to learn something I didn't know, and
as the years get, as I get a little older,
sometimes I'll be like, dang, I already know that, But
I always find something that I didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Know every yeah, year, every year.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So it's definitely a delight.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I even like being a film junkie, always watched some
black films by black writers, directors, documentaries like I'm trying
to really incorporate it and what I do. Yeah, well
T shirt like every day to work under my shirt.
So just a way to remind myself this is is
(02:29):
really an important month.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So yeah, yeah, I agree, it's a very important month
for us, but also just for everybody to learn what
we can contributed to America, whether it's the peanuts or
the elevator door. The elevator door thing, Yeah, that was
a contribution, or the stoplight.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Or the the home security system, the game countries. There's
so many things.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
End of the day, as I was thinking, for a
lot of podcasts, everything's woke. You just don't know it.
Right back around there, all right, Seeing that we're gonna
be talking, I think we're talking about black representation and
superhero representation or just in general representation and media.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right, I want to as I've talked to you off camera,
I want to focus in on like superhero representation. Yeah,
live actually, because it's a pivot. It's a real pivotal
time right now. When it comes to superhero films. It's like,
what's the word I'm looking for a superhero? I cannot
find my words? Or you get too much of something,
(03:37):
what's the word you're doing.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I know what you're trying to say. I wouldn't even
say an overload, but it's like a lot of the
of content that's not the right word that you're thinking of.
But I think it's in the same you.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Don't know what we're trying to say.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, So right now, what's been like up and
down with superhero films, especially like Marvel.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So the New the America is out and with Ethony MACKI.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So it's been a lot of controversy about that, but
there's a man of color who is taking taking up
the shield and it has become Captain of America.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I was hearing like all.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The negative reviews and then people were going saying, no,
it's not that bad.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So you know, I went to see it. It was
a good film.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So it just made me think, how far have we
come in all the like different stages we've gone through.
How we seemed like we was getting somewhere, then we
came back and then it was another roadblock.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I was just thinking about that because.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Even with that, if we go like way way way back,
like the and I'm talking about the beginning of like
most pictures, like before they even knew they could shoot
a whole film, the way we were.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Represented was not pretty at all.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So always when I talk about something like this, always
go back to a film that I cannot stand and
we had to watch it in film history, and it's
one of the most racist films ever.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It's called Birth of a Nation.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
D W.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Griffith, and in that movie it portrays us as villains
and savages, and that it was a scenario where we
won the war, we took over the government, and we
tried to destroy the country. Was raping the women.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And YouTube you can't say that word, but.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, I keep forgetting that metube.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But yeah, they were doing things like that, attacking the
women and taking out the men and trying to control them,
and they just portrayed us and savages and the heroes
was a clansmen and they rolled down and dejected them
up and all that. So in a response to that,
(05:53):
Oscar Michelle, who was like one of the first like
black people to actually like self produced their films, his
own films and have his own studio, all black cast writing, directing,
he responded that I think it was like Within Our
Gates was the film, and that was like his response
(06:14):
to Birth of the Nation, to show this is what
it is from my point of view, it's not that's
not what happens. This is the truth of America. So
I go to say that simply to say that from
a negative it started at a very negative portrayal, even
with the black face and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
The mental shows.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Once, I really would say, once comic books became a
thing and we started to see like black heroes and
like comic books and even the stories that reflected certain
situations that all people were going through, like the civil
rights movement.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
You get X Men, certain stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So once that came upon us, I think we really
didn't start seeing like a superhero archetype until Blaxploitation. Yeah
WHI y'all really don't like that name because it's negative.
That's how everybody identifies those films. Those were like they
like superheroes before they're predated like all the ones that
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would come after, because they were like powerful characters and
they did all this cool stuff. They dressed cool, and
they reflected by people were but at the same time
they still were characters because some of the stuff they
was doing was like, hey, like I get it, this
is not reality. Taking out of We got like cheft,
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sweet bag, even female character leaves like coffee. And then
one of the first ones that was like actual superhero
was a bar the first first Superman, I forget the title,
but he basically got like a serum he took gave
him superpower, so it was like a Captain of America Superman.
You get that whole thing. And once that came we
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going to probably the era that me and you know,
and it's most familiar with is that I call them
the de five ones.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And the lead men was the nineties.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yep, so the I'm gonna say this movie, but the
first one to live action black hero movie with a
lead role is the one and only by the great
Robert Townsend media Man.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
It was the first time that we got to see
someone looked like us, like on the screen doing cool shit.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's one of It's one of those fans that kind
of will get lost in time. Yeah, if you want
to watch it, you really gotta either like find like
have a DVD of it somewhere, or you know, it
just might happen to pop up on the stream and
service randomly or something. But they don't even they really
even play it on TV. I see blank Man on
TV more than I do Media Man. So that was
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like one of the ones I remember, like very early on.
And the crazy part is I saw the show pain
Parenthood before that, and I was like, oh, this is
the dad from Parenthood. I was like, oh, he played
and even the movie came out before the show, but
that's I was like, Okay, so we get all these
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like dope roles in the nineties but to that extent,
they all weren't like successful because we got things like
Still that wasn't a successful film, but it had a
lead roles. Yeah, they red Spawn. I'm just saying Spawn.
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It wasn't as successful, but it wasn't bad. But it
also was the actual like first live action comic book
black lead hero, so you got that was just like
a little bit ahead of his time.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So it was. And I think what really makes people
like give it like bad rap? It's definitely the FIGII doesn't.
It doesn't hold the best of it, but it could have.
And that's some people slack on it. But honest cool
like it's he Michael J. White did a great job,
phenomenal job carrying that character, and I would love for
it to for surely get it for him, and if
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not him, someone else can get to that give it
another shot.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
But the longest it's been Jamie FOXX. But I don't
know if that's still true. I don't know because they've
been saying that for like the past six years now,
that Jamie fox movie, but I doubt.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Look, we're still waiting for a Blade movie, okay, which was.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Like a couple of days ago. It happened.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I don't talk about Michael J. White. I like that
he got to play Blade in Midnight Sun. That's that
was cool. I like that they gave him like that role.
And before we get moved on from like nineties, it's
like we had the Blade trilogy that led to a
lot of MVU stuff even happening.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, hey, Blade was to go child Man. It's sae.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It literally single handedly saved Marvel and it also showed
that you can have a movie with a black lead
that's a superhero film and it could do well. But
also I think what heard it too was the ones
that came before, Like we said, like still black Man
Media Man, because even though black Man the Media Man
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is like a cult classic, it didn't do well. When
something doesn't do well, that's even going back to something
like The Wiz.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
We all love the Wiz, but.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It didn't well. So in Hollywood, when it doesn't make
money or it's not doing well, it's oh, okay, see
we tried to do it, but.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Now we're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, we don't see the numbers.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
So then we go into this it's a long period too.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You go into the two thousands and it goes to
like back to the supporting roles, like it's superhero the
superhero movies are starting the bro but all the black
heroes and characters are like supporting roles black characters or
they might.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Just be a cameo.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Even because even with X Man, yep, we had Storm,
but Storm felt like important role. She was even third
to Gene and all them, and I was like, Storm
is literally like the strong, like the most powerful on
the team, and she was the leader.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Of the X Man exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, it gets frustrated because like at this time for
me and you, we're old enough to be like, Okay,
I know what this is.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I understand superheroes.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm starting to get into comic books, and it's like
frustrating because the really only media where you're getting good
quality like leads are an animation. That's cool, but I
want to see it live, like real. So you know,
it was like a frustrained time because we weren't really
seeing that like those lead roles.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, and speaking on Storm, we haven't necessarily gotten the
acrid Storm that we've represent on movies. And we're talking
about black representation. There's a difference between giving representation like
Holly Berry's character and actually giving an authentic version of
that character like that you see in the comics. It's
Holly Berry's Catwoman with an interesting choice.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
For sure, what every like video I watched, just watch
the stuff about black superheroes that she comes up in
every video and they don't even know that movie wasn't
as good. They always bring it up. And I love
it because it's like, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
And you take the and when it comes to representation,
especially in throughout history and black history, we take what
we can. Like you not a great movie, but you're like, hey,
like Holly Berry Catwoman, great, We'll take it. It's added
to the lexicon of like representation, even if it's not
the greatest one. And maybe later on we get better
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representations of those things later on down the line. So
not the great representation, but representation is getting better. Now
we're getting better. We have Black Panther, we have eventually
played Miles is going crazy in the animated universe. So
we're in Captainica and Sam Wilson's Captain America is amazing.
I haven't seen the movie, but I love everything I
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see from it, and I love that he's carrying on
the representation because Captain America has a character has never
been a like a racial thing. It's always been like
the representation of the dream. You know, anybody can be
Captain America, just like anybody can be Spider Man. That's
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the whole idea.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So anybody can really do a lot of these exactly.
I think the only exceptions you really can get when
it comes to like thor and stuff like that, because
that's like mythology mixed with superheroes.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
But like a lot of these kids, it's.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like Iron Man, can you get rear, yes, our heart,
Like we said Miles with Spider Man, with the whole
they don't do a black character, but we do get
the Asian America.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So it's like pronounced that. Yeah, I know it's birthday,
but I feel like i've budget it.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, you said it right, you said it like like
we said, literally, anybody could be like these certain heroes.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It doesn't matter about what color, who it is. It's
like all.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Sorry, because then at the end of the day, like
when I look at when I look at any of
the characters, I don't go oh, I don't acknowledge their race.
I just go, oh, that's a superhero. He's doing superhero things.
He has traits that I want to aspire to if
I look at a hero. That's why it works so well.
Like when you have the Miles and Captain America being
both black characters, or Spider Man and my Captain Amber
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being both black characters. Now it's like it represents us,
but they also still have the heroes characters or character
or like characteristics of what I was trying to say,
Just be cool, guys were twenty twenty five. It's all right,
it did your tells in some different stuff. It's okay,
but I.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Got get to see the temperature.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I got a question for you, though, we're talking about
representation and heroes. What are like five heroes that you
would all Let's say at least five. I won't say
I won't flock you in the five. Let's say at
least five, or it's go the five as you can get.
Maybe you don't have five, but how many? What are
characters that are black that you want to see either
live actual to get more reprepentation in some kind of media.
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They can be Marvel then DC, they can be a Milestone,
it can be any kind of area.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Definitely off the rip.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I come. Oh yeah, definitely off off.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
The riff rip. I would love to see Blue Marvel. Yeah,
it used to be it used to be missed terrific,
but we finally getting mister terriffic.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Now, yeah, exactly knocked that one out.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Who else I can Blue Marble to see? Still?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I want still like you want to write back another? Try?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, let's take another.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Let's take another work at that one.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I can't even take my water, bro, you got man?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
That was awful. Who else?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
It's a recent it's a comic and it's more recent,
and we had one of the collaborators from that comic
on the show. I would love to see the Harriet
Tubman Demons later.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Could be a show. I would love to see that.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
That could be an animated show for sure. Where could
be a live action I thinking it work? Is live action?
Walking down twenty seasons?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Give me that walking Dead Muddy?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That's three three right now?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I thought you three. I thought you did four?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, yeah, come Blue marm was still tup.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
What's another one?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I was just thinking about this and now I can't
remember who the one. I can't remember the main one
that I was thinking about Now, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I got some deep cuts, okay with your deep cut.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Like some heroes, people don't even really know about night Thrasher.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I was the night that Asher. I actually had night Thrasher.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, he's basically like a night Wing slash Daredevil type
character with a little bit of hardware in there.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, would be a good one too. You just all
all my all my picks, then you just grab it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Because honestly, bro any any of the mousetone even like
the Bloods and.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
The about the fact. I didn't want to put them
at the group because I was doing like single parents,
but I thought about him.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I was like, you could put them guys as a group, man, Yeah,
don't put them together.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Man, I'd love to see that. For mine, I put
Vixen because we didn't get Victen, but I want to
feel like more because we didn't get into c W,
which I appreciate, but I want more. Yeah, I want
a movie.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I want them to show like the origin of that
Hamlet and how it was passed down through generations.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Like exactly, I agree, And then I said icon, but
I also included Rocket because they can pack it to
the you got one or the other Static for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I was just gonna say, and see how it works.
You could do icon Rocket introduce Static in that universe
is one of the students at school. How hard we're
working at one of the building the labs, and then
you already got the universe right there?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Hey, df get on it, man, you got the what
they got. I feel like they got the rights to them,
don't they They do right about I thought they had
a collapse or something like that. Uh, throw out a
little bit of Brother Vood, who like really put Brother
Voodoo out there.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That's a good one. Yeah, dude, that would be like
Auld almost like a Now, I would bring back Sam Raimond. No,
I would bring Jordan Peel to do that ash yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, yeah yeah. But I want these characters done right.
I don't want you to just throw in and throw
it out there just to teethe it or whatever. I
want you to, like legitimately do it right because I
feel like I feel like the one I'm most protective
at this point in time, it's definitely Static because he's
my favorite of the characters. He's top five easily, and
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I don't want him to mess him up because it's
like you can easily mess him up with whatever you
want to talk about his origin story, because the origin
story for static and the original or not original, and
the animated TV shows one I like the most, not the.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It sticks to the original comic exactly was Gang Wars
and doing the gang because he was being bullied and
then he ended up being down at the harbor when
they unleashed the toxins the gas and it was mixed
with the stuff and the big Bang Bang babies and.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
All that, so exactly. Yeah. And the reason I said
the animated show is because I don't want people to
get compete with the comic books, because there's two different
comic book runs of the character now, and I want
him to stick to the animated which is close to
the original and not the newer one.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
The original, by the way, is then three yes, the
newest milestone.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
What was it like, reborn or something boring?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Rebirth rebirth or reborn or something like that. But let
me ask you a question, if you were gonna get
a static, which version of the character you are outfit
costume wise, which.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm going with the classic spandics with the in the
yellow jacket. Like I always like how the first costumes
of a hero are kind of like a homemade looking costume,
which would be realistic for teenagers who don't have no money.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Made, But however, if they put like a new spin
on it or keep that same vibe, I'm not mad
at it at all. Just all I messing is, don't
give him a hoodie. I don't get the whole hoodie
vibe with his superhero, black superhero. He gotta have a hoodie?
What does that do for him?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
He's not He's not a Saxon.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Even Outphet because the ninety version of the animated version,
he had a he had a jacket on, and it
was a jacket.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But I'm talking about like the ones one like yeah, yeah,
I could get.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I get if it's a jacket.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Like okay, I just want to make an instinction for sure,
because I like animated. That's the first one I was experienced.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
How he never put on the hood He really never
did because it was yeah and oh, I definitely want
to see that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
A Nanci character from the Static as Shall.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Who is a folklore character.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yes, So that's another form of like story like heroes
and stores that we had way before we even got
fil Like folklore, you get like John Henry, and and
people always like associated folk flo with made up characters,
but a lot of these characters were based besides because
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that's a folk lott African mythology. But John Henry was
based off story that from something that happened. You know,
a lot of it came from what people heard at
that time because he didn't have the internet, didn't have TV.
Newspapers was fairly new, and a lot of the slaves
couldn't read, so they would these stories would get passed
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now even to like real people like Harry Tupman, she
was the folklore at first because nobody had seen her.
They just heard that somebody was helping free free slaves,
so she became a folklore. So it's that's how these
like heroes in these fables started, like within African American
coach and a lot of them was brought from Africa
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and americanized when we got over here.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But like those stories.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So it's crazy that you say that, because that's definitely
a part of our history when it comes to this
media and like folklore, and that's how we get most
of the stories we're getting. If they had a Nazi
in the man, that would be dope, like that whole
episode when he went to Africa and stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That was one yeah time and oh in the show,
but also of all time, like I love that episode.
Adding the John Stewart episode, but that's just for another reason.
I just like seeing John Stewart. I'm glad we're getting
a John Stewart show now. So he wasn't on my list.
For the fact that we're getting a show of him
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what I'm excited for. I'm excited to see what they're
gonna do with that story. And I'm glad we're starting
to get more or better representation than we used to
have these characters. I just hope that when they introduce
these characters, they don't for example, we're vixed, and they
don't water her down to fit into a into the universe,
give her out of her full strength. Don't give her
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some limitation or anything like that that she never had
full fledged that's what Icon too. Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, y'all treat him with the same respect, give him
the same kindistic story and also his powers and stuff.
Don't don't come weak and all that and keep him
as a Republican. That's what makes his character good. That's
what gives him an I come like that him in
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Rocket Rocket that back and forth that they always.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Have so mm hmm exactly. And also, don't be afraid
of brother Voodoo. Let him voodoo his way to everything,
like don't please, don't like do your research fleet and
thank you. Don't do what they do with every like
Voodoo character where they're like the villain of every story
and stuff like that. Respect the respect the lower Okay, yeah,
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what's that being said? I have a follow up question
about to ask you. Do you know the first black
superhero and comic books?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I do?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, okay, it's lying man. Yeah, there we go. Good.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
He always be trying to get me. He just wanted
to make sure. Okay, I got one for you.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Oh no, all right, sorry.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
After Blade in the nineties, when was the next film
where a black lead was in a superhero movie? When
was when was the next black leads superhero movie? They
came out? Oh, man, I'll help you out. It didn't happen.
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It was in the two thousands, but it was in
the later the latter years of the two thousands.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The ladder years of the two thousands. Like we're not
talking ten and above, we're talking about like straight two thousands,
yeah before okayeesh, it's not pumping away. It's not that
because that that's still a black lead. But it's not
that I'm racking my brain because I feel like I
know it, but I feel like I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Oh, you know it, you know it? And when I
say it, if you don't get.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It, that you did say because it's I'm all right,
I'll give you one more hit, one more heady.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
The actor who played the role is a big time actor,
like big box office.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Big box office.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Okay, let's say, especially in the nineties, he was big
box office.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Jeez Ah, you got me. He stopped me. Jeez I
bad about it. You ready, I'm ready Handcock god yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh wait, oh wait, oh wait.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
See I knew you do it a year. I said,
he knows it. I said, but he going deep in
the bad because because people are gonna say black panther,
but it's not. It was handcuffed. I'm here.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I knew black panther, wasn't it, because I was like
that step before that, I was like there, knew it
because I watched Handcock. I watched Hancock so much that
I'm sure people.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I would love for Will Smith to come back and
do Handcock.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
He is coming back. You didn't hear then day he's
looking for the day, he's looking for the data to
be the daughter or something like that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Man, I'm definitely down for that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, So I'm interested in in in that for sure,
because like Hancock is one of them movies that is
just really it's really good. Like it's like, before you
watch the movie and you hear this snasis, you're like, Okay,
you don't know what you're expecting, and then you watch
it and you're like, this is really good. Will Smith
did great, amazing portraying it. And I hope that the
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second one lives up to the first one is as
good as the first one after it being so long.
But yeah, I wish, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I couldn't. I had to think that like clue, but.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You couldn't give it off to me, Yeah, because I
was like, you said it. If you would have said
the year, I probably would have left it because that
movie is so quotable, so quotable. And then also the
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Wayne brothers are coming back for a scary movie six
and possibly White Chicks too, so we're gonna get some
more directors and black directors out there. Jordan Piel is
doing a great job. But the Wayne's brothers are coming
back to and adding more to the pot of representation
for sure, which I'm excited for that.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, uh, I do have another question.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Oh God, you's coming for me today? All right, this is.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Not as bad because a good way to bring everything.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Together, central it all together in a good pot.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
On Top five Black Top five live action characters, African
American characters, and it could be from a show on
film that it gotta be live action. We need to
go first, or you want to go first, you go first.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Let me get Yeah, I need a little bit of time.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I'm going one Blade.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Black Panther, even though we have all like little problems
with the movies, yeah, it's still that still was amazing
Black Panther Storm.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Okay. Are we talking about live action depiction or we talkdiction?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Oh Holly bearry because the Apocalypse and all that ship like
nothing to her. But the way they wrote he was terrible.
My four is gonna it's gonna get you my four
and five. You you ain't gonna expect these to Okay,
So four I got a night sister, from Watchman.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought I remember.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, she was a badass, you know, like literally a superhero.
We got that reparations like her family getting messed up
in the Tusa massacres, Like she got her stuff back
for that, and that's how she was living good. So
that was cool to see something like that happened to
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her characters. You know, something that in the real world
we've been trying to get in motion for years, So
it was dope to see that. Then for my number five,
they showed don't it doesn't get enough love, And I
think that as far as like the portrayal of the
character actually did really good and I love that first
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season it's Luke Cage.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Man, you stating my stuff, but okay, yeah I got
some fire. But yeah, Luke Cage definitely for sure. I
agree Luke's don't get I hope he comes back for
the NC for sure. Like he's just it's such a
good character. And I do like the black importation part
of it, even though.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
That's what we.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Love about it. I can agree with that also.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw Blade up there, for sure.
I'm throwing Spawn up there. But I do love Michael J.
Wise depiction for sure as too. I'm going instead of
Luke ca'se I'm going Misty Night because she was in that,
So I'm gonna go that one. I'm gonna I'll let
you have Luke Cage. I think, not anything of live action.
(33:44):
I'm not doing a storm. I'm actually gonna do the
live action viction that we did get from the CW
universe because I actually that's the reason I've actually stayed
or stayed in the plot for that show, because everything
else was taken for me. Jeez, I gotta think of
another live action I think, because it's gotta be. I
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don't want to. I like, I love Blade and does
the great job, but I'm trying to try to not
jump on your list and try to try to get
out of that character. I kind of think, jeez, there's
a lot of characters they're coming to my brain right
now that have to narrow him down. Uh cheez. There's
(34:28):
too many things going on in my mind right now.
Give me a second. There's just so much coming into it,
Like you understand, h.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Jeez. I'm not having a hard time thinking of the
last I want to. Yeah, I know it's what I'm
gonna do. I'm not going to do him as Captain America,
but I will do him as a Falcon, because my god,
Falcon is a maid. They sold Falcon to me. I
love talking in the comic books and in the video games.
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Because he was in a Marvel Alliance three. I liked
him in that. Well. Anthony Mackie carries the charis the charisma,
so I will give it to Anthony MACKI he will
make my top five. I haven't seen Captain Evan in
the Captain American movie, so I'm sure he will definitely
rank up, but its Falcon appearance definitely. I was just
(35:23):
sold from Winters Soldier onward. I was sold anytime he
came on the screen. I was like, this is gonna
be good. Like I say, my list will probably been
in the same majority if I didn't try to diversify it.
But you were snatch at all the good ones. For sure.
I shouldn't let you go first. Honestly, I was my mistake.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You did.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
You gave it the option you did. But also great picks,
for sure, great picks. All of them are great picks.
The Watchman one I haven't like. I said, I haven't
got a chance to watch The Watchman, but I did
watch What Your Name video? Fantastic Frankie's video on it
of her of how they wrote her, and I was like,
all right, I gotta check that out because it really
(36:03):
folded for me, you know, because I haven't had a
chance to take a backlog for shoulder. Increasing of the
days go on, you know, I got a lift of
things I'm still catching up on, so you know, definitely,
and Regina King is an amazing actress. She definitely yeah,
(36:25):
I like I said, not only is she the iconic
and Hueye, but she's also in the heart of They Fall,
which is a great Western movie. If you want to
take it. If you want to take yeah, you want
to take the review of that video. We did a
review a couple of years back. We'll have it in
the prescription. But yeah, yeah, it's a great movie. And
I'm sorry to cut you off. I just wanted to
(36:46):
plug it in.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
No, definitely was.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I rewatched it and I appreciate a lot more on
the second time watching the first time.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It's great. Everybody in there the standout everybody it was
in a bag in that movie. Yea, And I want
to add a sixth one. I want to put Jonathan
Major in there, the role of King, because my god,
he sole that one. But now we're talking about that movie.
I was like, yeah, and it's tragic what happened and
(37:19):
the fact that they're writing him out of the story,
and that's hat the other for cash grab. I'm just
gonna call it what it is. And I hope that
his career boost off of this and he go to
do a lot of great things from this mistake that
happened or however you want to say it. But it
wasn't something that wasn't done right in his favor. So
(37:40):
I hope his career bounces back. But also like I
wish King would have what they would have actually utilized
King a lot better. Hi, Roachie, bro she's sitting here.
He's right there. He's hanging out.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
We're gonna get you some headphones in the mic.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Man, get your from Merch too, cat Merch. Eat about it.
You're telling me no num more podcasts or you want to.
He wants all that.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It's all about me. Look at her, she was almost done, brochy, Gosh, we're.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Not he Look at him, he's covering the kind of
get in front of the camera. What they did when
I'm trying to use that, they like hop in front
of the camera. Look at he's flopping and guys, that's
that is he is one of the everythings.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
But yeah, bro So talked about a lot of good stuff,
have some good history lessons, Like we talked about like
the progression of the heroes, how they're being portrayed where
it is now and it's in this weird, like in
between place. Yeah, it was like progressive but not it's
(38:59):
like it's in the middle ground right now. I would
be happy when we do get back to having those
lead roles. And I would like to see more original characters.
I agree, and blank Man like stuff like that go
out of the box because you don't have to go
to the comic books to do these characters. Because the
things about heroes they can look sound have They could
(39:24):
be like a Superman type character, but it doesn't have
to be a Superman. It could be a man even
if you want to go for like the lesser known
characters like we said, like I said, Night Threshold, that's
light Ow, it's characters out there that's they have good stories.
So exactly hopefully we'll get to that place again soon.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, hopefully, hope we're at a place where I think
there might be a swing coming our way with with
how do you feel about the Captain American movie? Whoever
was watching this, him being Captain America is the big thing,
it is. It means a lot, especially at the time
we are right now and not to getting gloom, but
(40:07):
in fact, at the period of time we are right
now and everything, it's good. It's good to see black
Man wearing the stars and strikes however way you feel
about that, because that's a whole other, a whole in itself,
so it is good to see that, and.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's unfair to put like so much pressure on that film.
But it's like the one that if it's which it
is right now, very is doing very good, like it
could be the one to like give us like the
standings and outcome movies because we see that this performs well,
actually does good. Excuse me the people who look like
(40:48):
the person in the movie going to see it. It's
one of those things that's very important, and like you said,
at a very crazy time.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
It's so crazy like that this.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Movie is out now with what's going in a real
like live even when it's coming out during Black History Month.
Just all the stuff that's going on right now, it's
like entertainment wise, like crazy during this is like a
really pivotal moment and it can really shift some things
(41:17):
and put it in line in the universe.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
So it's yeah, it's feeling like not in the same
vein as like how important the Spider Verse movies were,
like with Miles leading it at that point in time,
and how those movies at that point in time were
very important. And I'm glad that they're doing great, and
i hope that the last one is a banger being
(41:39):
a being pushed into overdrive in the twenty twenty. Everything
that happens with a black lead is important at this
point in time. It's everything has to go right for
us to keep getting better representation because if we don't, and.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, that's you just said, some heavy ship that sucks
that we have to it has to be good and
done right, because if not, it's like we go back
another five years or something.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
It's the craziest exacts. I would say, Then they support
these movies, go out and watch them or stream them,
whatever you gotta do. Go out and show like we
did for Black Panther, go out there.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
The same kind of energy out because at the end
of the day, if it's that bad, then you definitely
are going to.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Know before you see it. But just give it a chance.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And even with stuff that, always go myself to see
because even if it's okay, they were right it's bad,
at least I got a chance to experience it and
give it my own like myself, like my own opinions.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
The same with this.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Just support it, and you know what something is a
BS so like for's it's like BS so just go brothers.
Love that has worked very hard to get to where
he's at exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
We don't work for Marvel. Marvel. Don't listen. As much
as we've talked about Marvel, they are not paying us
for this, or do you think that neither one of
are paid for any of the positive you know, reviews
of things we've given their movies. In this thing, they're
not paying us for that. We are talking from the
heart because I feel like this, if it's a bad movie,
(43:32):
let's say for the instance it is. The representation is important.
We have kids. We had bad representation or representation that
just was like not great. But we showed up for it,
and now we have better representation. So everything, even if
it's bad, needs to be showed up and showed out
for so that we can get better ones in the future.
So I'm not trying to tell you to go watch
(43:57):
the movie, but please go watch the movie. Let's go
out there and show from love for it, good or bad.
Show up for someone who is worked in you know,
probably more likely his entire career to get to this point,
Anthony Mackie. Support that guy. He's a good dude from
what I know, So support him. Go out there and
(44:19):
show him some love, man, show him a community that
they there with him. And with that, I'm gonna get
off my thoatbox because I got in a little flat
box there. But it felt like it was needed to
be bad.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
It's fine, man. Like I said, we talked about a
lot of things, history, representation, how far we come, what
is what does it look like to go see a
black film with a hero.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
As the years come, things are going for good, things
are going to change.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
And also I think it will be important and I
see this happening a lot with other things, having black writers,
directors do some of these films, not because it's a
black hero, but because we need that like culture part,
I might understands what just being African American is like
in the in America, so those things will make more sense.
(45:12):
So if it's a if it's a hero that's from
Louisiana and he's like in Washington, DC, now that's Falconum
somebody like that Louisiana and how that cultural appropriation. But
it's like, hey, this.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
I ain't saying we gotta have Gumbo and all that.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
It has to represent us in that person so that
way we can connect to the character, just like they
do for all the other characters and all that just
the simplize like Superman. Superman is an alien, but he
lives in Kansas. That's very relatable and they get it
down to the te what that's like. So we need
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
So you know, sorry, I would saying we need the
movie to have the soul of what that culture is like.
It needs feel exactly or have the same essence of
what that person would be like in a different environment
going from Louisiana or the Louisiana going to Washing exactly
(46:13):
and having that experience or having that person go through
what that would be like from that perspective and be relatable.
And I happened when you have people that represent that
culture at least in the writing room or at least
directing something, because there's certain things that certain other communities
just don't. They can hear it, but they don't really
(46:35):
understand it. There's hearing and then there's understanding.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Just like said, but you can feel, you know what
it is, hot col on the back of your neck,
get in your head like pressed and all that. So
it's things like that. On that note, I think I
don't think I have anything else to say? What about you?
Speaker 1 (46:54):
D oh no, I wrapped up my stuff with the
with my I got back up myself thoughts and I
got back off again. I got back on it for alack.
It doesn't pay that one thing. And he got back off.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Get like a little character on the side.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Adam little animation. He pulled out a little box.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
It'll come what time?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Man he is? It is the shameless promotion, a.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Little a little chef with it. Who is the man
who gives us shameless promotionals? Demitrice, he's a bad mother.
Shut your mouth, it's gonna take away d.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Thank you for that. Thank you for that and if
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