May 11, 2025 • 46 mins
Join us as we explore the Sonic movie franchise, its evolution, and why it stands out among video game adaptations. From favorite characters to memorable moments, we cover it all!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome back to the Orients episode on Table Podcast. I'm
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if you can't tell from our shirts, we're here to
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We're here to talk about.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Sign yes, sir, the fastest little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's the creature alive, they say, right, And so recently
with the release of Sonic three being able to be
on platform fream platforms, we were able to check it out.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Because we don't always have the time to.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The movie financially able to find the money.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Being it's not easy, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
With no problem getting away, But today we're gonna just
talk about the entirety of Sonics and from one to one,
two and three, and tell you if we think this
is one of the best video game franchises, or if
we think it's in a contender for the best video
game franchise or serious, because there's a lot of video
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games movies out there, and we're gonna talk about this
one because let's say, Sonic three, in my opinion, it's
my favorite of the three, Like I'm just there, it's
my favorite of the three.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Two and two is really good, but three.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, before three came out too, with my favorite, so
it's precrestively getting better. Phonic was good, not saying Phnic
was been great when it came out, because it was, but.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
It it does what the movie is supposed to do,
like it gets bad most of the time. Most of
the times this one was okay, but this one was.
It just got better like it wasn't none of them
were bad.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But I will I.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Do want to ask you this before we hot right
into it, since we're talking about video game movies. So
it's a two it's a two part of question, all right,
pretending to the video game series. And then like Sonic,
first question, what is the earliest video game movie you
remember seeing and good?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Was it good?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Bad?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
What was your experience?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I feel like we're gonna have the same one. If not,
the years are gonna be close.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
We might because what Okay, don't hate on me in
the comments, but my first video game experience for the
Mario movie, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I just I had to ask because I was like,
I feel like it's the same movie. But I know
for some people around our age, they genuinely didn't see
that movie. Yeah, and they don't know what exists. But
because of HBO and whatever channels, like my grandmother had
the movie channels, that's how I saw it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, I got to fit. I feit where I was
when I thought. But I remember seeing it on TV
when I was like, yeah, I didn't even I didn't
really I didn't really know what I was experiencing movies.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
It said Super Mario Brothers, and I was so confused
because I was like, the only thing super Mario about
this is that the names of the people.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Nothing, nothing else.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I was so confused, like the whole fact that they
was like in actual like Brooklyn and then they went
underground and it was like the fun guy and Princess
Peach was like I was like, dude, and then Yoshi
was a was like a dinosaur of many t rex,
and then Browser was a man, but he really was
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a dinosaur, and the whole thing about dinosaurs. Then they
evolved and they lived underground so they didn't go extinct
and all that.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I was like, bro, y'all, y'all, I think y'all too deep.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It has become a cult classic, it become a cold clothing,
but it ain't my favorite video game.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, it's at the bottom of the list.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And actually we got the more content video game related
content coming out of the way.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Look out for that definitely.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah. So second second question is.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
What was your first experience with Sonic as a whole.
It could be books, games, TV shows, whatever it was.
What was your first, very earliest experience with it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It was the one with this than it. I think
I remember playing it. I used to go to my
friend down the.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Street and they went to school together and he had
Tonic I think it was like Tonic Mania or something
like that, whatever the one of the nineties was, and
I'd go down to his house and we played like
late night and we did I think it was on
the FEGA was on the FGA. Yeah, and we played
and that was my first experience with Tonic and I.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It was an instant hit for me. I consumed everything
Tonic after that wrap.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And it's so crazy because it's like, when you think
back on it, you was like, why did this just
really click? And I think it was because our parents
and like our older cousins and relatives and stuff had
like Super Mario, And I remember Nintendo was like the
family friendly console, but then when Sega came out, it
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was like, no, I'm just for the teenagers. The we
the rebellion kind of system because like they had a
bro they had the mature games, like they had the
Woman that Wolf Verene.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Game that was like cool as hell.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So for a Sonic to be their mascot up against Mario,
it was he's way cooler.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Because like he's fast, you know, then the.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Levels of fast place like a Super Mario, it's like
a little slower, and so for kids, we like we're
trying to get to it so that you're just rushing through.
And then the design, like even the design and how
it looked it wasn't like the pixels. It was, but
it wasn't like it didn't look like he was made
from blocks like Super Mario in the beginning, so like
how he looked, he had the whole like swagger the
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nineties and the music and the fact that they said
Michael Jackson worked on the soundtry.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I learned that when I got earlier, when I got.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Older, and I was like, I get why they clicked
with us early on because it defined like what the
nineties was transitioning into video games, and just for our
views out there, I got some nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
For y'all, all right, So it's sigh.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So the very when I got my Sega Genesis when
I was a kid, the very first game that I
ever got, and I still have it to this day.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And let's go.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
And it's not just the box, because I don't said,
oh he just got the box. Nah, I still got
The only reason I don't have the booklet is because
of course this game came out in the nineties. Man,
that booklet was not gonna survive as kids, because you know,
when we were kids, we used to take them things
out and just no ham on them.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So yeah, man, origin original packing.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Seen. All right.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
It's crazy because.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
When this came out a year after I was born,
but back then they still like they do now. They
had games from years ago. So when I got my
Sega with my dad, when they gave it to us
and I could actually play it, they got me this
game because I seen it and I was like, I saw.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
It in the store when we were going like Walmart
and stuff, back when they used to have video games
you can play them.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I was like, can I have it? And I got
it for Christmas. So I've held onto this for my
entire life. I would never let it go. I don't
even I don't care if it comes up and it's
worth a million dollars, like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Staying in the family, the family.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I just got to get another Genesis now because the
one I had from when I was a kid, it
took a little damage so I had to throw it out.
So that was like when I was in high school.
But definitely this would be pasted now. Great way to
start off the podcast.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I had cool thing.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I've one of the cool things I ever seen. Man,
that is cool. Man, I wish I had that.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I wish I had had an original packaging, like the
first edition kind of type stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Man, I'm jealous. Now you're not stand it off me?
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Too, man, And it's only the interest is only because
I got you by a few years in the night,
that's only. That's the only reason why, bro, I literally
got you by a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So that's the I think that's the only reason why.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, and it's okay. The thing when I come visit you, you
gotta we gotta run it. You gotta run that game.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Look, that's why I gotta get the Genesis back so
I can so we can just run a Sonic ntails
a little run through real quick.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'm down.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm committed because I would say because when it comes
to my first team, I didn't really play. I got
played that one, but I didn't own it like the
play with them, and we didn't really have a lot
of money for different systems at the time. And I
gotta I got to or it wasn't until I got
a game Boy Advanced and I played what the port was,
but it was one of the final I think it
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was something and I played I think the first two
are on there, and I couldn't take me off of
I played the thing back.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I played.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I played that during game, so I couldn't play the more.
And I had other games like I had a That
Man game, the Wolverine game, and that Hard.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Lion King game. But I played that. I probably played
that morning I played anything so you.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Got that that Lion King Trauma bro.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I still got that one, but you asked me I will.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I tried to play it, like at a con, like
what was it Momo con? I tried to play it,
and I was like going through.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
The motions and I was like, yep, it's still hard
to this day, thirty years later, in that game.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
It's still one of the most difficult games I've ever played.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
In my life.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Now, it is really I remember playing game, but not
around the time that everybody was playing it.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But when I got older, I was like, what was
it about?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And I tried playing it and when I tell you
to put I put whatever. I put it down. I
was like, I am, I'm good, Like I don't need
to beat that.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
But yeah, so I got said everywhere to get it started.
You know, Dimitri said, we here to review a franchise
that has been around now for thirty plus years.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Multiple how many iterations.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Multiple animated series of course, as you see video games.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Manga, comic, Yeah comic.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
They had an Archie run and they had a Fleetway
run and then another one was it.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
An image of Boom who got it?
Speaker 5 (11:23):
After that there wasn't image because it was the last
people to get.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I know DC is doing a thing recent.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah they're doing something now, but I know there was
an Archie and the the there was I think that
before that one with the Fleetwoode Fleetway or something like that,
where they took the character and a whole different thing.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I learned about the fleet fleet Way.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I think it's what the company cross today because I
didn't even know that existed.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But I knew about the Archie comics.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Because Archie I remember the yeah Archie commic with But
yet but.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Man, like I said, property that's been around for a
long time, basically our whole lives. It's one of It's
another one of those situations like how we talk about
where it's something that we didn't get until he became adults.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
It's cool, but man, it would have.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Been like even cooler if we could if we would
have had it as kids. But it's very enjoyable now
because it's like you're gonna go see a kids movie. Hell, yeah,
they don't make these movies for kids just so y'all know,
like the audience property, but they know who's gonna pay
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the money.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
They know who's gonna go see. Yeah, they know who
grew up with the property, you know what I mean.
So I don't care if I'm eighty years old and
I can't with man.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
They got an.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I won't go see it.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I'm in the walker coming into the theater, putting my
money in.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Watch that movie.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
So definitely it's very cool that we get to have
this moment, this full circle moment and talk about good
a good video game adaptation and property series three movies
in so apparently something's going right and had it said
my band says, it's a trilogy.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So Demetrice as a whole.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Do you see do you think like it's accomplished what
a video game movies should be like? Especially, I said,
like this when it comes to a character like Sonic,
who's in the recent years and video games have like
more interactions with like humans and stuff, it's not so
more so like it's all in just like his world.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
They kind of brought him into the real world.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
So like to get that the work because which is
which could be very hard. I think what helped it
is the Detective Pikachu movie, which got a reference in
Sonic three.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I think that helped it. And also when the fans,
which was basically our people, our age, voice their opinion
about how I looked at first when he came out
in the first movie. I think the class of those
two things like really helped it, like kick off the
right way, because it's like we got the blueprint for
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the whole like human video game character interaction things.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Out the gate. It just it worked.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
And then I think Jim Carrey, I gotta say that,
Jim Carrey.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
I don't think they could have cast anybody else to
play Eggman.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Other than Carry.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I think that really was like a game changer too,
because that's a character like you really gotta put like you, Yeah,
he's very colorful.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
He's a very colorful character.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
He definitely is.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So I think that Sonic as what we have now
the trilogy, because they're setting up spoiler alert, but if
you're here, you.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Already know about this.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
They're setting up a fourth one right now, like they've
already like he's a fourth.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
One, especially with those credits in credits.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, I think that Sonic One did a really good
job of setting up, like you said, setting up the universe,
setting up everything that we need to do, and did
a good job as setting Sonic ahead of all of
the other adaptations that came out before. And I'd even
say that I think the Sonic franchise is doing a
lot better than the Mario movies at right now, even
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if we're comparing one to one, not all the ones,
not two three, just Sonic one in Mario the first one.
I'm sure they're gonna do a second one or something
like that because coming on. So because Sonic and Mario
are two big franchises, and I'm gonna tee, I'm gonna
do this and then we'll go back. But they're two
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big franchises that are very important to two big brands.
So there's a lot of money in both these things.
But I think what Sonic does better is just how
they introduce their care char It's a little bit, you know,
and I think that sets it apart. I think that
they're casting is another thing that set Sonic up as
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a helm hit her because you had I don't remember
the guy's name, but he was a guy from Parks
and rec and Sonic, and then you had Yeah, and
then you had Just Elba as a Knuckles, and now
you have as Shadow And I forget the actors who
played does he does an amazing job too, man.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I like that he gets too carried away.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
I would tell you who I compared that casting to.
You didn't think it would work, but it did. Yeah,
just like Dave Bautista. Yeah, you wouldn't think somebody like
an actor or personality like that would actually play with
play that character. And then Batista said with dregs. They said,
I just enjoys doing it. They said he loved it
the whole time.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, the glove like yeah, bro, I'm just like, yes, bro. Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I think those two set up.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
But also I think the respect the character, like the
person who has been making and directing a lot of
these things. He worked on the one they directed the
third one, and I think he had input on the
other ones.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He was someone who worked on the Shadow game.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
We knew that Shadows Lower was going to be to.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, they changed the little things, but that's what I like.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think that's really good about this franchise is that
everybody cares about the importance of the material that is
being definitely.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
They're definitely taking consideration of the lore, like from from
the video games, comics, all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
There's a lot of little nods to everything, even.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
With Sonic in the first one, like his whole like
background where it came from. I then I love what
they did with the rings. Yeah, I love that because
it was because I was wondering how they was going
to incorporate the rings and make it make sense, because
it's like he collects them and it's so what does
he do with them?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And then put it in the real world. So I
was like, yes, that's a.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Great way to do it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I think a lot of the because I was watching
this video about about the behind the scenes, and the
director really wanted to make the places not so look
like they are video game aspects, but in the real world,
so like finding places that look similar to Greenhills or
what green Hills with people who would live in that
place would look, how it would look, and the place
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where the amoral would hold in the second one, how
that looked, and making those things life like and believable,
and I think that helped out.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I think that are really the other great job.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So where you can go, oh, that's in a video game,
but like I can see someone living in a Green
Hills version of this town.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So I think a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
It's just more or less what I think any video
game franchise needs to survive and be great. It's just
people that love the material, people that love everything, a
lot of people that are working hard to maintain that,
and a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Of video game fances that came before on it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
They doubt like the Mario movie didn't do it that
I felt that we like it was.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It was a brother fresh air to see the newer
Mario movie.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
There was, and the fact that the fact that they
stuck it was crazy because they kind of show the
first one, Hey, this is what you should have did
if you was gonna do a super Mart because they
because in that movie, Mario and Luigi land the actual
like real world sitting like they really plumbers, they got
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a family, and then they're transported into it was it
muster Mushroom Kingdom. Yeah, I didn't meet everybody, so it's
like they transitioned into that world.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So I'm like, Okay, that's cool because they didn't make
it saying like this is where they live. They know
about it.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
No, they didn't know anything about it, so, like you said,
it sets that up. And even with the next one
that's coming out, they're gonna introduce like Yoshi and I
think that works as like a fully three D and
made it film like that works perfect, you.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Know, stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Like I even said, if they did Legend of Zelda,
which I think they are doing now, I would rather
see it.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I would rather see it like that than try to
do like live action.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Because it's Legend of Zelda is such as like zonky,
like sometimes it's zonky, sometimes it's dark as you know,
fair to fantasy and all that, and you can't really
do live action with it without getting like too like
real and dark sometimes because that's what they probably would
turn it into.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
So I think it would.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Work better like animation, you know, doing like just telling
that whole story full fled animation stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I think, like I think what really helped out Sonic
and I think you already mentioned this, but I think
it's that redesign, that first redesign and what said everybody like, oh.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I still remember that trailer.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I did too, and I was just like it's hard
to hook at like.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I said, I was like this can't be bro And
I was so destruct because I was so happy there's
like a Sony movie coming, and then I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I was like, oh snap. And then even remember.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
They gave him like pumas like.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
But then when they did the redesign, oh boy, they.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Got hours hour hooks. I was then I was there.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
So how do you think they've done when it comes
to implementing a lot of the mood that's that characters have,
like the thin dash and like a lot of shadows,
powers and stuff like that. Knuckles I think fitsiaming, fits
of destiny or something destroyer, something like.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
That is strengthen that too. You know, they make the
tails with his like.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Intellect, you know exactly, and making all their things.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So how do you think they've implemented like those attack
moves and stuff like that. Do you think they've done
a great job? Because Soning three they've included more of it,
like dashing.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
The way like they gradually like showed it and proved
they did good because it was like because technically in
the first film, Sonic is still like really learning what
he can do with the powers and speed. So it's
just because he's really young, like people don't realize in
the first movie, like he's probably like with a teenager.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I think he's supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I think, so I don't like I can't.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I don't know that.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Ye, I don't know exact we know we know he
was when they first showed it, he was like really young.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
He's not that old.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
So he's developing his powers, not like how like each movie,
like it showed the potential, even in the second one
when he got the Merald, when the super so he
was still like, I can't control his power, So I
can't keep using it like that because it might drop
me insane, which is a callback to something that Elah,
so that I had never heard of that version of
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Sonic before.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, that's from the way the Fleet.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It is like a version version of Sonic where if
he uses it for too long, it drove him insane.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
So I was like they looking at the material.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
So yeah, in that second one, then in the third one,
it's like he knows what his abilities are and like
even though he pushed itself, it's almost it's not like
just doing it out of blindness or you know, the immaturities.
I know what I can do, and then you can
see like the team work with them, like they're more
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of a team now, even when they like when he
went away from he was he was like, yeah, we
should do it this way next time. So it's like
the characters are learning. And then I just love Knuckles.
He still don't understand it, like a little simple like
phrases like breaking glass in cases needed he was like, yeah,
when is it time?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And I was like, what is the time that breaks
the glass?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And I'm just like, yesus.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Having me on the floor, man.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
He really did.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Or when he looked like he was in the air
air carrier and he was telling about his strength and
they literally cop they literally said it with him, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Good you were you've been listening.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
But I was like, I.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Think they handled I think they handled all the powers
really good. Even when introducing like Shadow. I think it's
like he can bend reality or something with it. They
did a lot of tests on him and stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, he has a lot of chaos energy and those
things on his arm limit though limit are make him
regulate them enough to where he's able to do things
because he took him off at the end of the
movie to be able to do full power. But I
like the one thing I liked is how they tied
in Sonic to Knuckles, like that scene where I call
him Doughnut Layer because I always forget his name.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Doughnut.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Lauren was like, you didn't have you didn't forget what
made you. You didn't let that pain change you in here,
and then it flipped right to Knuckles because he was saying,
I wonder how it would be if you didn't have that,
and it flipped right to Knuckles walking through Tokyo. That
was such a good transition to sell us what you know,
to pretty much drive that point in that Knuckles is
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an entirely different person because he doesn't have that. He
doesn't have that thing, even Maria, because Maria she died. Yeah, Nules, sorry, Shadow,
I meant to say Shadow, he said Maria.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I was like, oh he talking about Shadow. Yeah, okay, yeah,
I'm in Shadow.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But I might have had nuggles because, like I said,
Knuckles is one of my favorite characters, and Shadows too.
But like I like talking about Knuckles, but Shadow when
I love that switch between Sonic to Shadow, like where
it even gets a darker melody, the music gets more darker,
the rain is coming down and he's walking through it,
mad at the world and stuff, and you're just like, man, okay.
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That brings this point home and it comes all the
way back full circle when Sonic loses control of himself
and gets angry because Tom that's his name, Tom, he
thinks he died, and Shadow was pretty much saying, you
know how I feel, and I feel bad for the
Shadow just because he had to deal with that station
for fifty years thinking about that death and it's and that's.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Why I was like, that's heavy, heavy stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It really is that.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I'm glad the Sonic was able to one reach them,
but to to help him understand that, you know, this
ain't the way. You got to remember the good things
and with the good moments and stuff like that. And
you remember that line she told him, a light shines
even even though it's gone, Like that was a really
good like thing to remember if you remember the light,
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the good things, the thing that person did good in
your life, not the reason that they're gone.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
That was really it was really good.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
It was hit.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I was like then the kids more they hit hard.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Right here, No, for real, they was it was it
was getting to it like it was getting real like tough.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
So I was.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
I just like how they just stuck to a lot
of the original stories and stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
They didn't enjoy that.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
And like you said, with Tom and then his wife,
I think they work really good as that parental like guy.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, and showing them.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Like the responsibilities make great choices.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Like people will probably say, oh, that's such a like
corny line or it's so cliche.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
That's really something you would say that like kids.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
That's what you would say that you would think my
parents would their kids just make good choices.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You want the best for them.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I know my mom told me plenty.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
My mom tays me so many times, and I probably.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Didn't listen half the time, but hey, at least did.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I don't know, Like, it's just I like how much
this movie reminded me of a dragon Ball be all right.
It was paintaking paintakingly but it was like so obvious
that Pikubert and Vegeto, but we were watching here, oh.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Yeah, yeah, when it was like Adam Protonic and stuff
like enemies turned enemies turn allies and stuff. Of course,
of course down the line, Sonic ends up becoming an
ally of Sonic, and they have their little moments where
they help each other out.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Shadowy Shadow becomes an all.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Hey late night podcast we did, Yeah, they become allies.
This Shadow is still he's still that like loner because
he has his little thing he does his spell. But
I'm excited to see in the next one what they're
gonna do with was it make a sonic what they
(28:43):
call the metal making whatever metals a difference?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But yeah, the one with the thing right here is that.
That's how I always tell differ I don't know they
could do that. If they're talking about comics, they could
do the one. I wrote it down because like in
the if they do there is a storyline where there
are like an army of metal phonics and there's one overlord.
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I think it's called Emperor Metal Metallity.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Yeah, I remember, Yeah, I think they did that in
the games too.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Mistake.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure about that one too much, but
I did. But from that video I watched, I was
able to find that one out because I did remember
seeing that the video of different forms and stuff like that,
and they might do.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
That, which would be cool, or they might do if
I was.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Watching this other video and there was like a leaked
image of like Eggman and like a metal phonic enrollment,
royal attire or something like that that they released it.
I don't know if it's real or not that I
think it. It was concept art and I don't think
his thing. I think this. I think we have lost
a egg Man, but we haven't lost the egg Man.
I think there's another one hanging out because he did
(29:56):
talk about cloning in the movie.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
He talked not cloning doctor agen Stone.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yea, that made me go O has a backup. Yeah,
I think Jim Carrey will come back.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And what do you think?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
What do you think Amy throw is going to be
in this universe because she came to save him, But like,
where do you think that she's gonna fit in?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Well, I know they always like play around, like that's
like his love interest and stuff like that, but I
don't think it'll hit right off. I think that's going
to play on like the whole he sees somebody and
he had a little crush, But it won't like instantly click.
It's probably like another movie. So I think she'll become
like an ally and be like doing her own thing
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a little bit will help him out because she's definitely
gonna be linked to whoever's behind the metasonics, the fact
that she came and knew I took him out of.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Stuff in the game. I was. I thought it was
dope that they gave her himmer too.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
That was, Oh yeah, that was I think her fit
was cool too, like her like but it's like I
was like that, yeah, it's back. I don't happened there, but.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Said no, so.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Let's try to get this to wrap up because I
don't know if it's out again.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
But yeah, you said that she was gonna be a
part of the mechaponics, right.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be linked.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Yeah, she's gonna be linked to whatever who's ever behind that,
and she's probably gonna have the information you know, that
they need because I think, yeah, I think that's I
think it's gonna be an army of those.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Like, yeah, I think so, just because of how easy
she took him out. Mhm, Because like I said, I
usually think it's metal or metal Tonic guy even taking
up Bicnic.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Most times when they're you know, it's always.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Just one storyline and it's usually a tough one to
take out. You know, it's not like a you know,
a hammer to him and they blow up. So I'm
thinking that.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
She went through them.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, she really did.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
And you know, like I said, so, I'm thinking more
on the potland that there's gonna be one central thing.
Like I'm considering this on the sense of Ultron level stuff.
There's one main Ultron or one main neck Metal and
then everythingle other one is like I guess, like a
lesser version of him. He's just overwhelmingly to overwhelm the group.
(32:25):
But I think Nule's gonna have a field day. It's
just an army of him. He's gonna have a field day.
My boy's gonna go off. He's gonna get it, he's.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Gonna get on, gonna enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
He definitely he's gonna enjoy all of that.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I think I'm excited for it. I'm excited to see
I didn't think I have seen Metal fron Again. I
didn't get spoiled before watching this, so it was a
shock to me to even see both those characters because
somehow we both scathed the spoilers, and.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I'm glad I did.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I think that this franchise is in a good but
I think that that Sonic four is going to be great.
I think if they do Sonic five, it'll be great.
I think if they keep one on the space, it's
going to be a great franchise. And I think that
Jim Carrey will come back in some capacity. He'll be
back in some way just because he literally likes coming back.
(33:16):
He literally likes this franchise. He came out of retirement
again to do Sonic three. So I think it's going
to be good. And I think that we hopefully will
see Shadow the next one. I think we will, honestly, yeah,
But I think they, like I said, I think they
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did this to his backstory grade. I think that they've
done every character's backstory great so far and how they
introduced them. And I think that that the music choices
were great, a lot of nods to the video games
that were in there. And I think this is this
is an example of how we should do a video
game franchise, a great example of how you should do
a video game franchise and stuff like that. Do you
(33:59):
think that I have one last question, I have two questions.
Maybe do you think that we will get the theme
Hyperthonic at any point in time?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Do you think they're gonna release that guy again? We've
only seen him like I think maybe one time in
the ban of his appearances.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
They they they might it's a possibility because we've got
the Supersonic.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Or they might Dothic too.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, I know right.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
By the way, it is a known fact that they
got they was inspired by Dragon ball Z.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's not like a thing was like, oh, we didn't
know what existed.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
What they would do, Yeah, exactly, they knew what they
knew what that.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I think it could be a possibility.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I feel like if we do a franchise, if it
because of franchise, I think six movies a trilogy too.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Trilogy is basically I think it would be good.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Okay, do you think that?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Do you think that they should continue to do more
than six or you think they.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Should just ended at six?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I think six number?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Do you think that?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Do you want to see more things like the Knuckle show,
like maybe a shadow show or a Knuckle.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Do some or a tail show.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Do you want to see different characters get their own
show to introduce them, you know? More came up with
Marvel had attempted to do with their cinematic universe where
they brought in characters like Miss Marvel and Daredevil and
all these different characters outside of the cinematic and then brought.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Them in later on. Okay, so I mean I agree
with that too.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
And you did you like the progression of Doctor a man,
because I know that's a that's a hard thing for
a lot of fans. They didn't really like how he
was introduced and stuff like that, and.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I didn't. I didn't have a problem with them. I
guess they was mad because you have the nice hair
and stuff. But but he gradually became cant to like
he even got the video game accurate costume in the
third movie. So I think it works because it's like
we said, it's really not much you can do with
(36:12):
that that video game, the stuff that happened in the
games and all that, there's not much you can do
with it in live action.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
So like it's played by actual human being.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah, one of then brought it to life. So I
was okay with it. I think the first one was, oh, so,
how's that gonna be? Like you questioned it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Exactly, But when the when they showed.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
What happened to him and where he how he got
stuck in that world and stuff, and the second film
came and I was like, Okay, I see how it's
gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
And then in the third one, boom the look and everything.
Everybody got a pick and choose.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
But I think overall it was It's a great so
far as a great trilogy of franchise as video game.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
It's definitely setting the bar for what comes behind it.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
As far as like that property, and I say that property,
I mean like characters are not something that happens in
the real world, is like a fantasy or from a
different planet.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Like, it is setting the bar for those type of
video game movies.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
So as far as like other video game movies, like
we've talked about it before, stuff like like Uncharted Tune, right,
God of War, stuff like that, it hasn't there's really nothing.
The Last of Us right now is the one that's
setting the bar. So I would say Sonic is setting
the bar for those type of characters.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Okay, yeah, it's.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Showing that, hey, it could be successful if you follow
in these guidelines a little bit, or if you find
them for that niche to where you can make the
characters relatable and then of course, of course to a
marketing thing, those toys are gonna sell game product whatever.
So yeah, I definitely think it's setting the bar. And
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I think that's why the Mario Move to Mario brother
movie works because after Sonic, so it's definitely setting the bar.
So I think in the coming years we'll definitely see
you know that those it will gradually get better as
far as that is. So for the other kind of
like medium that that I just said, we're holding on,
(38:28):
holding on because we get some good ones and.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Then it's so done.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Sonic is is definitely setting the bars as far as
like box office and films and stuff because the last
of Us show, so it's still we still haven't you know,
gotten that like movie so far as Sonic, So.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, I won't say all right, yeah, I just I
think it's, you know, before we move on, don three
beat move off of the box. That's all gotta be said.
It beat a Lion King movie.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
That's big money movie, big money.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
They checked money at it, and I thought it was like,
I don't care exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So at the end of the day, if you do
a good adaptation, you can beat a table.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
And that people put their money into did a Lion
King movie, which don't be asked for.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
But that's for a whole other podcast. I don't know
what we talked about the podcast.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
UH checked out that podcast about uh live actions don't
well live action adaptations don't sack up to the animated ones,
and you can check that one out.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
It's just great.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
It's great podcast stupid. But yeah, with that being said,
what do you rate the franchise of a whole? Like
the not the franchise, sorry, the theory that the whole video
game moved as a whole.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
One two three, so one two three all as a whole?
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I give it a solid like seven point five eight
when really I give it like it's that range.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, I need to could I rated I rated a
little bit higher? Toning three to put it.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
For me, I'll say, I'll say at eight, but it's
like it could be a seven point five, could be
an eight, but it's just it's only because it's still growing.
But three definitely, three definitely will give it. I think
it will give me that eight, So I'll leave it
right at at eight.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Okay, I'm as a whole as a whole.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Okay, I'm gonna say eight point five just because that
three knocked it over because they weren't fitting for me.
It was fitting at least at seven already because going
with grade, it's finally two and they were you know
it was.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
They weren't perfect movie, but they were great.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
And then Sonic three came in and just smashed everything
and I was like, yeah, that's eight point five for me.
I said, it was confidence after I watched three like
a point like Final three alone was eight point five
for me. So I love that movie something. I love
that movie so much. I watched it twice. How much
I loved that movie.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
I watched it.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I watched it once and then I said, noa, I
gotta go see that movie. I gotta see it again.
Because I had the two I had the rented it
for two days and I was like, we look somebody
these days out man.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Let me get my money's work.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
They said I had two hours to watch it.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I said, all right, cool, I got it, got through it,
and with twenty one minutes left on the rentals, I
was dedicated.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Okay, super dedicated.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
This is a good, solid movie.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
No, look, fine, you think it's eight, it's fine. I'm
not discriminating. I'm not saying that's bad. I'm just saying
I gave it a little bit of that bump just
for the third one really and the fourth oneth grade,
I'm bumming it up maybe a percent. I might just
do that just because I think for me and reason,
when I say eight point five, for me, it's just
(42:13):
like three solid movies. It's just it's got to be
at least eight, at least an eight or five.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Like you said, three solid movies. Yeah, three solid movies.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Great, great character development, following the lore of the characters,
making the human interactions work, which is very important. It's
very exactly not making them overshadow sounding in them.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Balance.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Yeah I didn't did that, but hey happened.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah happened.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
The balance they found was really good as a whole eight.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Gave it a strong eight.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
No, that's good. Like I said, art describing point five
is nothing. It's not like we were so far off
because you think we were around the same range. When
it comes to the movies, we don't really venture off
too much. I think maybe at one time I rated
it a lot lower than you on one movie that
was bad, but it was expected. You knew where I
was going with that movie. But you heard it here.
(43:17):
First Sonic movie is taking the lead. Eight to eight
point five rating easy eight to eight point five rating easy.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Uh, Mario two, you got you gotta step up.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
But you did great, but you need to have a
good second one to Sonic is putting that bar a
three thoughts movie from Mario.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'm hoping your second movie.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
I'm not got to come correct. Gotta come correct.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Also with the rivalry between the two franchises, You've got
to come with a good second movie because Sonic and
Mario have a rivalry for for years between the fans
and between the even I think the character been interacted
at one point in time and word have the beef
for each other. But you gotta break your second movie,
(44:00):
gotta be good. It just the expectations there and if
they do it. Legend Azela Sonic is speeding ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
It's said in the bar, it's damn.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
At super Sonic feed.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
All right, Yeah, I'm definitely intended.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Hey man, I'm coming. I'm coming with it.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Then on business again, like always with that thing that
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like Mario Moore? That's perfectly fine. Mario was a solid
(45:08):
movie too. Do you think that we're gonna see Doctor Eggman?
Do you think that we're gonna be Hypersonic or any
of the other Sonics that have come out in the
series and stuff like that. What is your favorite I'll
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Speaker 4 (00:56):
Sign yes, sir, the fastest little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's the creature alive, they say, right, And so recently
with the release of Sonic three being able to be
on platform fream platforms, we were able to check it out.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Because we don't always have the time to.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The movie financially able to find the money.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Being it's not easy, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
With no problem getting away, But today we're gonna just
talk about the entirety of Sonics and from one to one,
two and three, and tell you if we think this
is one of the best video game franchises, or if
we think it's in a contender for the best video
game franchise or serious, because there's a lot of video
(01:44):
games movies out there, and we're gonna talk about this
one because let's say, Sonic three, in my opinion, it's
my favorite of the three, Like I'm just there, it's
my favorite of the three.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Two and two is really good, but three.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, before three came out too, with my favorite, so
it's precrestively getting better. Phonic was good, not saying Phnic
was been great when it came out, because it was, but.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
It it does what the movie is supposed to do,
like it gets bad most of the time. Most of
the times this one was okay, but this one was.
It just got better like it wasn't none of them
were bad.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But I will I.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Do want to ask you this before we hot right
into it, since we're talking about video game movies. So
it's a two it's a two part of question, all right,
pretending to the video game series. And then like Sonic,
first question, what is the earliest video game movie you
remember seeing and good?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Was it good?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Bad?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
What was your experience?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I feel like we're gonna have the same one. If not,
the years are gonna be close.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
We might because what Okay, don't hate on me in
the comments, but my first video game experience for the
Mario movie, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I just I had to ask because I was like,
I feel like it's the same movie. But I know
for some people around our age, they genuinely didn't see
that movie. Yeah, and they don't know what exists. But
because of HBO and whatever channels, like my grandmother had
the movie channels, that's how I saw it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, I got to fit. I feit where I was
when I thought. But I remember seeing it on TV
when I was like, yeah, I didn't even I didn't
really I didn't really know what I was experiencing movies.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
It said Super Mario Brothers, and I was so confused
because I was like, the only thing super Mario about
this is that the names of the people.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Nothing, nothing else.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I was so confused, like the whole fact that they
was like in actual like Brooklyn and then they went
underground and it was like the fun guy and Princess
Peach was like I was like, dude, and then Yoshi
was a was like a dinosaur of many t rex,
and then Browser was a man, but he really was
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a dinosaur, and the whole thing about dinosaurs. Then they
evolved and they lived underground so they didn't go extinct
and all that.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I was like, bro, y'all, y'all, I think y'all too deep.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It has become a cult classic, it become a cold clothing,
but it ain't my favorite video game.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, it's at the bottom of the list.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And actually we got the more content video game related
content coming out of the way.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Look out for that definitely.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah. So second second question is.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
What was your first experience with Sonic as a whole.
It could be books, games, TV shows, whatever it was.
What was your first, very earliest experience with it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It was the one with this than it. I think
I remember playing it. I used to go to my
friend down the.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Street and they went to school together and he had
Tonic I think it was like Tonic Mania or something
like that, whatever the one of the nineties was, and
I'd go down to his house and we played like
late night and we did I think it was on
the FEGA was on the FGA. Yeah, and we played
and that was my first experience with Tonic and I.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It was an instant hit for me. I consumed everything
Tonic after that wrap.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And it's so crazy because it's like, when you think
back on it, you was like, why did this just
really click? And I think it was because our parents
and like our older cousins and relatives and stuff had
like Super Mario, And I remember Nintendo was like the
family friendly console, but then when Sega came out, it
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was like, no, I'm just for the teenagers. The we
the rebellion kind of system because like they had a
bro they had the mature games, like they had the
Woman that Wolf Verene.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Game that was like cool as hell.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So for a Sonic to be their mascot up against Mario,
it was he's way cooler.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Because like he's fast, you know, then the.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Levels of fast place like a Super Mario, it's like
a little slower, and so for kids, we like we're
trying to get to it so that you're just rushing through.
And then the design, like even the design and how
it looked it wasn't like the pixels. It was, but
it wasn't like it didn't look like he was made
from blocks like Super Mario in the beginning, so like
how he looked, he had the whole like swagger the
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nineties and the music and the fact that they said
Michael Jackson worked on the soundtry.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I learned that when I got earlier, when I got.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Older, and I was like, I get why they clicked
with us early on because it defined like what the
nineties was transitioning into video games, and just for our
views out there, I got some nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
For y'all, all right, So it's sigh.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So the very when I got my Sega Genesis when
I was a kid, the very first game that I
ever got, and I still have it to this day.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And let's go.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
And it's not just the box, because I don't said,
oh he just got the box. Nah, I still got
The only reason I don't have the booklet is because
of course this game came out in the nineties. Man,
that booklet was not gonna survive as kids, because you know,
when we were kids, we used to take them things
out and just no ham on them.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So yeah, man, origin original packing.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Seen. All right.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
It's crazy because.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
When this came out a year after I was born,
but back then they still like they do now. They
had games from years ago. So when I got my
Sega with my dad, when they gave it to us
and I could actually play it, they got me this
game because I seen it and I was like, I saw.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
It in the store when we were going like Walmart
and stuff, back when they used to have video games
you can play them.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I was like, can I have it? And I got
it for Christmas. So I've held onto this for my
entire life. I would never let it go. I don't
even I don't care if it comes up and it's
worth a million dollars, like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Staying in the family, the family.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
I just got to get another Genesis now because the
one I had from when I was a kid, it
took a little damage so I had to throw it out.
So that was like when I was in high school.
But definitely this would be pasted now. Great way to
start off the podcast.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I had cool thing.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I've one of the cool things I ever seen. Man,
that is cool. Man, I wish I had that.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I wish I had had an original packaging, like the
first edition kind of type stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Man, I'm jealous. Now you're not stand it off me?
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Too, man, And it's only the interest is only because
I got you by a few years in the night,
that's only. That's the only reason why, bro, I literally
got you by a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So that's the I think that's the only reason why.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, and it's okay. The thing when I come visit you, you
gotta we gotta run it. You gotta run that game.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Look, that's why I gotta get the Genesis back so
I can so we can just run a Sonic ntails
a little run through real quick.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'm down.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm committed because I would say because when it comes
to my first team, I didn't really play. I got
played that one, but I didn't own it like the
play with them, and we didn't really have a lot
of money for different systems at the time. And I
gotta I got to or it wasn't until I got
a game Boy Advanced and I played what the port was,
but it was one of the final I think it
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was something and I played I think the first two
are on there, and I couldn't take me off of
I played the thing back.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I played.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I played that during game, so I couldn't play the more.
And I had other games like I had a That
Man game, the Wolverine game, and that Hard.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Lion King game. But I played that. I probably played
that morning I played anything so you.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Got that that Lion King Trauma bro.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I still got that one, but you asked me I will.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I tried to play it, like at a con, like
what was it Momo con? I tried to play it,
and I was like going through.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
The motions and I was like, yep, it's still hard
to this day, thirty years later, in that game.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
It's still one of the most difficult games I've ever played.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
In my life.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Now, it is really I remember playing game, but not
around the time that everybody was playing it.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But when I got older, I was like, what was
it about?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And I tried playing it and when I tell you
to put I put whatever. I put it down. I
was like, I am, I'm good, Like I don't need
to beat that.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
But yeah, so I got said everywhere to get it started.
You know, Dimitri said, we here to review a franchise
that has been around now for thirty plus years.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Multiple how many iterations.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Multiple animated series of course, as you see video games.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Manga, comic, Yeah comic.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
They had an Archie run and they had a Fleetway
run and then another one was it.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
An image of Boom who got it?
Speaker 5 (11:23):
After that there wasn't image because it was the last
people to get.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I know DC is doing a thing recent.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah they're doing something now, but I know there was
an Archie and the the there was I think that
before that one with the Fleetwoode Fleetway or something like that,
where they took the character and a whole different thing.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I learned about the fleet fleet Way.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I think it's what the company cross today because I
didn't even know that existed.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But I knew about the Archie comics.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Because Archie I remember the yeah Archie commic with But
yet but.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Man, like I said, property that's been around for a
long time, basically our whole lives. It's one of It's
another one of those situations like how we talk about
where it's something that we didn't get until he became adults.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
It's cool, but man, it would have.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Been like even cooler if we could if we would
have had it as kids. But it's very enjoyable now
because it's like you're gonna go see a kids movie. Hell, yeah,
they don't make these movies for kids just so y'all know,
like the audience property, but they know who's gonna pay
(12:30):
the money.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
They know who's gonna go see. Yeah, they know who
grew up with the property, you know what I mean.
So I don't care if I'm eighty years old and
I can't with man.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
They got an.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I won't go see it.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I'm in the walker coming into the theater, putting my
money in.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Watch that movie.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
So definitely it's very cool that we get to have
this moment, this full circle moment and talk about good
a good video game adaptation and property series three movies
in so apparently something's going right and had it said
my band says, it's a trilogy.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So Demetrice as a whole.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Do you see do you think like it's accomplished what
a video game movies should be like? Especially, I said,
like this when it comes to a character like Sonic,
who's in the recent years and video games have like
more interactions with like humans and stuff, it's not so
more so like it's all in just like his world.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
They kind of brought him into the real world.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
So like to get that the work because which is
which could be very hard. I think what helped it
is the Detective Pikachu movie, which got a reference in
Sonic three.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
I think that helped it. And also when the fans,
which was basically our people, our age, voice their opinion
about how I looked at first when he came out
in the first movie. I think the class of those
two things like really helped it, like kick off the
right way, because it's like we got the blueprint for
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the whole like human video game character interaction things.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Out the gate. It just it worked.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
And then I think Jim Carrey, I gotta say that,
Jim Carrey.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
I don't think they could have cast anybody else to
play Eggman.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Other than Carry.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I think that really was like a game changer too,
because that's a character like you really gotta put like you, Yeah,
he's very colorful.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
He's a very colorful character.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
He definitely is.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So I think that Sonic as what we have now
the trilogy, because they're setting up spoiler alert, but if
you're here, you.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Already know about this.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
They're setting up a fourth one right now, like they've
already like he's a fourth.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
One, especially with those credits in credits.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, I think that Sonic One did a really good
job of setting up, like you said, setting up the universe,
setting up everything that we need to do, and did
a good job as setting Sonic ahead of all of
the other adaptations that came out before. And I'd even
say that I think the Sonic franchise is doing a
lot better than the Mario movies at right now, even
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if we're comparing one to one, not all the ones,
not two three, just Sonic one in Mario the first one.
I'm sure they're gonna do a second one or something
like that because coming on. So because Sonic and Mario
are two big franchises, and I'm gonna tee, I'm gonna
do this and then we'll go back. But they're two
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big franchises that are very important to two big brands.
So there's a lot of money in both these things.
But I think what Sonic does better is just how
they introduce their care char It's a little bit, you know,
and I think that sets it apart. I think that
they're casting is another thing that set Sonic up as
(16:09):
a helm hit her because you had I don't remember
the guy's name, but he was a guy from Parks
and rec and Sonic, and then you had Yeah, and
then you had Just Elba as a Knuckles, and now
you have as Shadow And I forget the actors who
played does he does an amazing job too, man.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I like that he gets too carried away.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
I would tell you who I compared that casting to.
You didn't think it would work, but it did. Yeah,
just like Dave Bautista. Yeah, you wouldn't think somebody like
an actor or personality like that would actually play with
play that character. And then Batista said with dregs. They said,
I just enjoys doing it. They said he loved it
the whole time.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, the glove like yeah, bro, I'm just like, yes, bro. Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I think those two set up.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
But also I think the respect the character, like the
person who has been making and directing a lot of
these things. He worked on the one they directed the
third one, and I think he had input on the
other ones.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He was someone who worked on the Shadow game.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
We knew that Shadows Lower was going to be to.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, they changed the little things, but that's what I like.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think that's really good about this franchise is that
everybody cares about the importance of the material that is
being definitely.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
They're definitely taking consideration of the lore, like from from
the video games, comics, all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
There's a lot of little nods to everything, even.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
With Sonic in the first one, like his whole like
background where it came from. I then I love what
they did with the rings. Yeah, I love that because
it was because I was wondering how they was going
to incorporate the rings and make it make sense, because
it's like he collects them and it's so what does
he do with them?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And then put it in the real world. So I
was like, yes, that's a.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Great way to do it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I think a lot of the because I was watching
this video about about the behind the scenes, and the
director really wanted to make the places not so look
like they are video game aspects, but in the real world,
so like finding places that look similar to Greenhills or
what green Hills with people who would live in that
place would look, how it would look, and the place
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where the amoral would hold in the second one, how
that looked, and making those things life like and believable,
and I think that helped out.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I think that are really the other great job.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So where you can go, oh, that's in a video game,
but like I can see someone living in a Green
Hills version of this town.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So I think a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
It's just more or less what I think any video
game franchise needs to survive and be great. It's just
people that love the material, people that love everything, a
lot of people that are working hard to maintain that,
and a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Of video game fances that came before on it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
They doubt like the Mario movie didn't do it that
I felt that we like it was.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It was a brother fresh air to see the newer
Mario movie.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
There was, and the fact that the fact that they
stuck it was crazy because they kind of show the
first one, Hey, this is what you should have did
if you was gonna do a super Mart because they
because in that movie, Mario and Luigi land the actual
like real world sitting like they really plumbers, they got
(19:35):
a family, and then they're transported into it was it
muster Mushroom Kingdom. Yeah, I didn't meet everybody, so it's
like they transitioned into that world.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So I'm like, Okay, that's cool because they didn't make
it saying like this is where they live. They know
about it.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
No, they didn't know anything about it, so, like you said,
it sets that up. And even with the next one
that's coming out, they're gonna introduce like Yoshi and I
think that works as like a fully three D and
made it film like that works perfect, you.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Know, stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Like I even said, if they did Legend of Zelda,
which I think they are doing now, I would rather
see it.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I would rather see it like that than try to
do like live action.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Because it's Legend of Zelda is such as like zonky,
like sometimes it's zonky, sometimes it's dark as you know,
fair to fantasy and all that, and you can't really
do live action with it without getting like too like
real and dark sometimes because that's what they probably would
turn it into.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
So I think it would.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Work better like animation, you know, doing like just telling
that whole story full fled animation stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I think, like I think what really helped out Sonic
and I think you already mentioned this, but I think
it's that redesign, that first redesign and what said everybody like, oh.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I still remember that trailer.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I did too, and I was just like it's hard
to hook at like.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I said, I was like this can't be bro And
I was so destruct because I was so happy there's
like a Sony movie coming, and then I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I was like, oh snap. And then even remember.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
They gave him like pumas like.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
But then when they did the redesign, oh boy, they.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Got hours hour hooks. I was then I was there.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
So how do you think they've done when it comes
to implementing a lot of the mood that's that characters have,
like the thin dash and like a lot of shadows,
powers and stuff like that. Knuckles I think fitsiaming, fits
of destiny or something destroyer, something like.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
That is strengthen that too. You know, they make the
tails with his like.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Intellect, you know exactly, and making all their things.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So how do you think they've implemented like those attack
moves and stuff like that. Do you think they've done
a great job? Because Soning three they've included more of it,
like dashing.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
The way like they gradually like showed it and proved
they did good because it was like because technically in
the first film, Sonic is still like really learning what
he can do with the powers and speed. So it's
just because he's really young, like people don't realize in
the first movie, like he's probably like with a teenager.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I think he's supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I think, so I don't like I can't.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I don't know that.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Ye, I don't know exact we know we know he
was when they first showed it, he was like really young.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
He's not that old.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
So he's developing his powers, not like how like each movie,
like it showed the potential, even in the second one
when he got the Merald, when the super so he
was still like, I can't control his power, So I
can't keep using it like that because it might drop
me insane, which is a callback to something that Elah,
so that I had never heard of that version of
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Sonic before.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, that's from the way the Fleet.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It is like a version version of Sonic where if
he uses it for too long, it drove him insane.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
So I was like they looking at the material.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
So yeah, in that second one, then in the third one,
it's like he knows what his abilities are and like
even though he pushed itself, it's almost it's not like
just doing it out of blindness or you know, the immaturities.
I know what I can do, and then you can
see like the team work with them, like they're more
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of a team now, even when they like when he
went away from he was he was like, yeah, we
should do it this way next time. So it's like
the characters are learning. And then I just love Knuckles.
He still don't understand it, like a little simple like
phrases like breaking glass in cases needed he was like, yeah,
when is it time?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And I was like, what is the time that breaks
the glass?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And I'm just like, yesus.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Having me on the floor, man.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
He really did.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Or when he looked like he was in the air
air carrier and he was telling about his strength and
they literally cop they literally said it with him, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Good you were you've been listening.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
But I was like, I.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Think they handled I think they handled all the powers
really good. Even when introducing like Shadow. I think it's
like he can bend reality or something with it. They
did a lot of tests on him and stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, he has a lot of chaos energy and those
things on his arm limit though limit are make him
regulate them enough to where he's able to do things
because he took him off at the end of the
movie to be able to do full power. But I
like the one thing I liked is how they tied
in Sonic to Knuckles, like that scene where I call
him Doughnut Layer because I always forget his name.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Doughnut.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Lauren was like, you didn't have you didn't forget what
made you. You didn't let that pain change you in here,
and then it flipped right to Knuckles because he was saying,
I wonder how it would be if you didn't have that,
and it flipped right to Knuckles walking through Tokyo. That
was such a good transition to sell us what you know,
to pretty much drive that point in that Knuckles is
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an entirely different person because he doesn't have that. He
doesn't have that thing, even Maria, because Maria she died. Yeah, Nules, sorry, Shadow,
I meant to say Shadow, he said Maria.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I was like, oh he talking about Shadow. Yeah, okay, yeah,
I'm in Shadow.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But I might have had nuggles because, like I said,
Knuckles is one of my favorite characters, and Shadows too.
But like I like talking about Knuckles, but Shadow when
I love that switch between Sonic to Shadow, like where
it even gets a darker melody, the music gets more darker,
the rain is coming down and he's walking through it,
mad at the world and stuff, and you're just like, man, okay.
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That brings this point home and it comes all the
way back full circle when Sonic loses control of himself
and gets angry because Tom that's his name, Tom, he
thinks he died, and Shadow was pretty much saying, you
know how I feel, and I feel bad for the
Shadow just because he had to deal with that station
for fifty years thinking about that death and it's and that's.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Why I was like, that's heavy, heavy stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It really is that.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I'm glad the Sonic was able to one reach them,
but to to help him understand that, you know, this
ain't the way. You got to remember the good things
and with the good moments and stuff like that. And
you remember that line she told him, a light shines
even even though it's gone, Like that was a really
good like thing to remember if you remember the light,
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the good things, the thing that person did good in
your life, not the reason that they're gone.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
That was really it was really good.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
It was hit.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I was like then the kids more they hit hard.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Right here, No, for real, they was it was it
was getting to it like it was getting real like tough.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
So I was.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
I just like how they just stuck to a lot
of the original stories and stuff.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
They didn't enjoy that.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
And like you said, with Tom and then his wife,
I think they work really good as that parental like guy.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, and showing them.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Like the responsibilities make great choices.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Like people will probably say, oh, that's such a like
corny line or it's so cliche.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
That's really something you would say that like kids.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
That's what you would say that you would think my
parents would their kids just make good choices.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You want the best for them.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I know my mom told me plenty.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
My mom tays me so many times, and I probably.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Didn't listen half the time, but hey, at least did.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I don't know, Like, it's just I like how much
this movie reminded me of a dragon Ball be all right.
It was paintaking paintakingly but it was like so obvious
that Pikubert and Vegeto, but we were watching here, oh.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Yeah, yeah, when it was like Adam Protonic and stuff
like enemies turned enemies turn allies and stuff. Of course,
of course down the line, Sonic ends up becoming an
ally of Sonic, and they have their little moments where
they help each other out.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Shadowy Shadow becomes an all.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Hey late night podcast we did, Yeah, they become allies.
This Shadow is still he's still that like loner because
he has his little thing he does his spell. But
I'm excited to see in the next one what they're
gonna do with was it make a sonic what they
(28:43):
call the metal making whatever metals a difference?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But yeah, the one with the thing right here is that.
That's how I always tell differ I don't know they
could do that. If they're talking about comics, they could
do the one. I wrote it down because like in
the if they do there is a storyline where there
are like an army of metal phonics and there's one overlord.
(29:07):
I think it's called Emperor Metal Metallity.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Yeah, I remember, Yeah, I think they did that in
the games too.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Mistake.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure about that one too much, but
I did. But from that video I watched, I was
able to find that one out because I did remember
seeing that the video of different forms and stuff like that,
and they might do.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
That, which would be cool, or they might do if
I was.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Watching this other video and there was like a leaked
image of like Eggman and like a metal phonic enrollment,
royal attire or something like that that they released it.
I don't know if it's real or not that I
think it. It was concept art and I don't think
his thing. I think this. I think we have lost
a egg Man, but we haven't lost the egg Man.
I think there's another one hanging out because he did
(29:56):
talk about cloning in the movie.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
He talked not cloning doctor agen Stone.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yea, that made me go O has a backup. Yeah,
I think Jim Carrey will come back.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And what do you think?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
What do you think Amy throw is going to be
in this universe because she came to save him, But like,
where do you think that she's gonna fit in?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Well, I know they always like play around, like that's
like his love interest and stuff like that, but I
don't think it'll hit right off. I think that's going
to play on like the whole he sees somebody and
he had a little crush, But it won't like instantly click.
It's probably like another movie. So I think she'll become
like an ally and be like doing her own thing
(30:42):
a little bit will help him out because she's definitely
gonna be linked to whoever's behind the metasonics, the fact
that she came and knew I took him out of.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Stuff in the game. I was. I thought it was
dope that they gave her himmer too.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
That was, Oh yeah, that was I think her fit
was cool too, like her like but it's like I
was like that, yeah, it's back. I don't happened there, but.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Said no, so.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Let's try to get this to wrap up because I
don't know if it's out again.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
But yeah, you said that she was gonna be a
part of the mechaponics, right.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be linked.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Yeah, she's gonna be linked to whatever who's ever behind that,
and she's probably gonna have the information you know, that
they need because I think, yeah, I think that's I
think it's gonna be an army of those.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Like, yeah, I think so, just because of how easy
she took him out. Mhm, Because like I said, I
usually think it's metal or metal Tonic guy even taking
up Bicnic.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Most times when they're you know, it's always.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Just one storyline and it's usually a tough one to
take out. You know, it's not like a you know,
a hammer to him and they blow up. So I'm
thinking that.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
She went through them.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, she really did.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
And you know, like I said, so, I'm thinking more
on the potland that there's gonna be one central thing.
Like I'm considering this on the sense of Ultron level stuff.
There's one main Ultron or one main neck Metal and
then everythingle other one is like I guess, like a
lesser version of him. He's just overwhelmingly to overwhelm the group.
(32:25):
But I think Nule's gonna have a field day. It's
just an army of him. He's gonna have a field day.
My boy's gonna go off. He's gonna get it, he's.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Gonna get on, gonna enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
He definitely he's gonna enjoy all of that.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I think I'm excited for it. I'm excited to see
I didn't think I have seen Metal fron Again. I
didn't get spoiled before watching this, so it was a
shock to me to even see both those characters because
somehow we both scathed the spoilers, and.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I'm glad I did.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I think that this franchise is in a good but
I think that that Sonic four is going to be great.
I think if they do Sonic five, it'll be great.
I think if they keep one on the space, it's
going to be a great franchise. And I think that
Jim Carrey will come back in some capacity. He'll be
back in some way just because he literally likes coming back.
(33:16):
He literally likes this franchise. He came out of retirement
again to do Sonic three. So I think it's going
to be good. And I think that we hopefully will
see Shadow the next one. I think we will, honestly, yeah,
But I think they, like I said, I think they
(33:37):
did this to his backstory grade. I think that they've
done every character's backstory great so far and how they
introduced them. And I think that that the music choices
were great, a lot of nods to the video games
that were in there. And I think this is this
is an example of how we should do a video
game franchise, a great example of how you should do
a video game franchise and stuff like that. Do you
(33:59):
think that I have one last question, I have two questions.
Maybe do you think that we will get the theme
Hyperthonic at any point in time?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Do you think they're gonna release that guy again? We've
only seen him like I think maybe one time in
the ban of his appearances.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
They they they might it's a possibility because we've got
the Supersonic.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Or they might Dothic too.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah, I know right.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
By the way, it is a known fact that they
got they was inspired by Dragon ball Z.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's not like a thing was like, oh, we didn't
know what existed.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
What they would do, Yeah, exactly, they knew what they
knew what that.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I think it could be a possibility.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I feel like if we do a franchise, if it
because of franchise, I think six movies a trilogy too.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Trilogy is basically I think it would be good.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Okay, do you think that?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Do you think that they should continue to do more
than six or you think they.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Should just ended at six?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I think six number?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Do you think that?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Do you want to see more things like the Knuckle show,
like maybe a shadow show or a Knuckle.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Do some or a tail show.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Do you want to see different characters get their own
show to introduce them, you know? More came up with
Marvel had attempted to do with their cinematic universe where
they brought in characters like Miss Marvel and Daredevil and
all these different characters outside of the cinematic and then brought.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Them in later on. Okay, so I mean I agree
with that too.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
And you did you like the progression of Doctor a man,
because I know that's a that's a hard thing for
a lot of fans. They didn't really like how he
was introduced and stuff like that, and.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
I didn't. I didn't have a problem with them. I
guess they was mad because you have the nice hair
and stuff. But but he gradually became cant to like
he even got the video game accurate costume in the
third movie. So I think it works because it's like
we said, it's really not much you can do with
(36:12):
that that video game, the stuff that happened in the
games and all that, there's not much you can do
with it in live action.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
So like it's played by actual human being.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah, one of then brought it to life. So I
was okay with it. I think the first one was, oh, so,
how's that gonna be? Like you questioned it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Exactly, But when the when they showed.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
What happened to him and where he how he got
stuck in that world and stuff, and the second film
came and I was like, Okay, I see how it's
gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
And then in the third one, boom the look and everything.
Everybody got a pick and choose.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
But I think overall it was It's a great so
far as a great trilogy of franchise as video game.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
It's definitely setting the bar for what comes behind it.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
As far as like that property, and I say that property,
I mean like characters are not something that happens in
the real world, is like a fantasy or from a
different planet.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Like, it is setting the bar for those type of
video game movies.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
So as far as like other video game movies, like
we've talked about it before, stuff like like Uncharted Tune, right,
God of War, stuff like that, it hasn't there's really nothing.
The Last of Us right now is the one that's
setting the bar. So I would say Sonic is setting
the bar for those type of characters.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Okay, yeah, it's.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Showing that, hey, it could be successful if you follow
in these guidelines a little bit, or if you find
them for that niche to where you can make the
characters relatable and then of course, of course to a
marketing thing, those toys are gonna sell game product whatever.
So yeah, I definitely think it's setting the bar. And
(38:05):
I think that's why the Mario Move to Mario brother
movie works because after Sonic, so it's definitely setting the bar.
So I think in the coming years we'll definitely see
you know that those it will gradually get better as
far as that is. So for the other kind of
like medium that that I just said, we're holding on,
(38:28):
holding on because we get some good ones and.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Then it's so done.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Sonic is is definitely setting the bars as far as
like box office and films and stuff because the last
of Us show, so it's still we still haven't you know,
gotten that like movie so far as Sonic, So.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, I won't say all right, yeah, I just I
think it's, you know, before we move on, don three
beat move off of the box. That's all gotta be said.
It beat a Lion King movie.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
That's big money movie, big money.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
They checked money at it, and I thought it was like,
I don't care exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So at the end of the day, if you do
a good adaptation, you can beat a table.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
And that people put their money into did a Lion
King movie, which don't be asked for.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
But that's for a whole other podcast. I don't know
what we talked about the podcast.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
UH checked out that podcast about uh live actions don't
well live action adaptations don't sack up to the animated ones,
and you can check that one out.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
It's just great.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
It's great podcast stupid. But yeah, with that being said,
what do you rate the franchise of a whole? Like
the not the franchise, sorry, the theory that the whole video
game moved as a whole.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
One two three, so one two three all as a whole?
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I give it a solid like seven point five eight
when really I give it like it's that range.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, I need to could I rated I rated a
little bit higher? Toning three to put it.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
For me, I'll say, I'll say at eight, but it's
like it could be a seven point five, could be
an eight, but it's just it's only because it's still growing.
But three definitely, three definitely will give it. I think
it will give me that eight, So I'll leave it
right at at eight.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Okay, I'm as a whole as a whole.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Okay, I'm gonna say eight point five just because that
three knocked it over because they weren't fitting for me.
It was fitting at least at seven already because going
with grade, it's finally two and they were you know
it was.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
They weren't perfect movie, but they were great.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
And then Sonic three came in and just smashed everything
and I was like, yeah, that's eight point five for me.
I said, it was confidence after I watched three like
a point like Final three alone was eight point five
for me. So I love that movie something. I love
that movie so much. I watched it twice. How much
I loved that movie.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
I watched it.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I watched it once and then I said, noa, I
gotta go see that movie. I gotta see it again.
Because I had the two I had the rented it
for two days and I was like, we look somebody
these days out man.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Let me get my money's work.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
They said I had two hours to watch it.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I said, all right, cool, I got it, got through it,
and with twenty one minutes left on the rentals, I
was dedicated.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Okay, super dedicated.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
This is a good, solid movie.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
No, look, fine, you think it's eight, it's fine. I'm
not discriminating. I'm not saying that's bad. I'm just saying
I gave it a little bit of that bump just
for the third one really and the fourth oneth grade,
I'm bumming it up maybe a percent. I might just
do that just because I think for me and reason,
when I say eight point five, for me, it's just
(42:13):
like three solid movies. It's just it's got to be
at least eight, at least an eight or five.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Like you said, three solid movies. Yeah, three solid movies.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Great, great character development, following the lore of the characters,
making the human interactions work, which is very important. It's
very exactly not making them overshadow sounding in them.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Balance.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Yeah I didn't did that, but hey happened.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah happened.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
The balance they found was really good as a whole eight.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Gave it a strong eight.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
No, that's good. Like I said, art describing point five
is nothing. It's not like we were so far off
because you think we were around the same range. When
it comes to the movies, we don't really venture off
too much. I think maybe at one time I rated
it a lot lower than you on one movie that
was bad, but it was expected. You knew where I
was going with that movie. But you heard it here.
(43:17):
First Sonic movie is taking the lead. Eight to eight
point five rating easy eight to eight point five rating easy.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Uh, Mario two, you got you gotta step up.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
But you did great, but you need to have a
good second one to Sonic is putting that bar a
three thoughts movie from Mario.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'm hoping your second movie.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
I'm not got to come correct. Gotta come correct.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Also with the rivalry between the two franchises, You've got
to come with a good second movie because Sonic and
Mario have a rivalry for for years between the fans
and between the even I think the character been interacted
at one point in time and word have the beef
for each other. But you gotta break your second movie,
(44:00):
gotta be good. It just the expectations there and if
they do it. Legend Azela Sonic is speeding ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
It's said in the bar, it's damn.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
At super Sonic feed.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
All right, Yeah, I'm definitely intended.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Hey man, I'm coming. I'm coming with it.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Then on business again, like always with that thing that
this has been the fair on table podcast. You can
catch us on Freaker, you can catch us on YouTube.
You can catch us on this pretty much once a week.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
We show up.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
We grease you with some good content because you love
our content, and if you liked ther you like this
video and give us a comment about what you like
from Sonic and Sonic franchise. Did you hate anything where
there any and inconsistency, the thing that just didn't make
you feel like it was a solid franchise. Did you
like Mario Moore? That's perfectly fine. Mario was a solid
(45:08):
movie too. Do you think that we're gonna see Doctor Eggman?
Do you think that we're gonna be Hypersonic or any
of the other Sonics that have come out in the
series and stuff like that. What is your favorite I'll
ask a question, what is your favorite Sonic animated show?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
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Speaker 3 (45:26):
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