Is it Woke or Just Representation? A Media Analysis

In this episode, we discuss the term 'woke' in media, its history, and its impact.

Episode Transcript

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Helps out let us know that contents be rocking with
the content and we appreciate that. But this podcast might
ruffle some feathers, be Warren, even Warren. But the topic
of today is this. With everything going on in the
media and everybody talking about everything being woke, we decided, hey,
let's just let's take a crack at this topic. Let's
see if everything is now woke or it's always been woke.

(01:06):
That's the interelaide of this podcast. And Marcus, how you
feel about all this woke media, and I'm even the
air quotes for people who can't see us in the
air quotes. How do you feel about woke?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Woke? Just the word itself.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's so crazy how it's been turned into this term
that describes being aware of racism and sexism, and now
it's a whole thing with the left wing trying to
push the agenda and all this, and then it's led
into media and it's really it's really a turn that

(01:51):
was used since the thirties for being aware of social
and political issues affecting African Americans, as you I think
you sent me to video one time doctor Maya Angelo
talking about whoa and what it is and how people
are afraid to be pride loose of their ignorance. That's
a big thing of a contributor to So nowadays it's

(02:13):
like we get if we get it's because it's funny
in the way, because it's like it's it didn't like
gled over to animation. And if we get an animated
show and let's just say it's twenty characters and have

(02:35):
so let's have ten of them black, Asian, Afro Latino
might have somebody that's gay and identifies them let's just
say that's the mixture of the characters, right. Yeah, it's
immediately saying that it's all this show is gonna be
woke or I hope this is not another woke show,

(02:56):
And I'm like, who is defining what woke is now?
Because it's so a show is woke now, I say, like,
this is how I look at it, and I don't
even think this is woke. I think it just comes
to check it like we always say, me and you
always say, checking off the boxes.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
And pushing the agenda.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's what I look at it as because it will
have something. A great example is a show we talked
about before the act like show people was trying to
say Folks was being sexist and they was hating the
show because it was talking about being being gay and
having all that representation when it wasn't that. It's just

(03:42):
as the show was poorly written exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
The acting was bad.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
So it's you can't use the woke term for something
that's bad. It's a difference in writing a gay character
but making it a good story or a good character
pertaining too, just writing a character and just making them
gay just because you want to have a representation so
you can check the boxes off to a certain object.

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Prime example, we have another show we talk about Abbott
has a gay character in the show, but it's written
very well to the point where it's like, it's not
It don't feel like they was trying to check a
box off and say, oh yeah, here's our gay character.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Check, here's our black characters. Check.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay, we got the white character and the check. It
doesn't feel like that. Everybody jails and mashes together good
And it's just the word it's crazy because it's hard.
This is hard to talk about because you can say
something and it be the wrong thing, and you can
say something to the right thing and like you said,

(04:49):
they can ruffle some feathers. But going back to the
main point that I was trying to make it, it's
definitely affected entertainment as far as to even music.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's a it's a word.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's a turn that's affecting media in a way that's
taken away from what made it or what made everything good.
And that's the storytelling aspect telling the story because it's
even to the point where it's like with the New
Spider Man show that the main the guy is playing
Spider Man was like, I hope this is nother woke show,

(05:24):
and it's like, bro, what do you mean.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
So?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
And like you just like we were just talking about
you saying if that's the case, you know how many
things would have been considered woke when we was kids.
One person who would be the woke king would have
been Spiked Lee. Yeah, made movies now, he would have
been the woke king if he was to make movies
the ones he made back then, if he made those
movies now, they'll be slapping that term on him every time.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, listen, I mean, but here's the thing. Let's let's
throw all those things out there. I agree with your point.
I think the term woke has just came to be
a term that is, Oh, if we see a certain
character that happens to be let's say black, or a
minority or gay or something like that, and just without

(06:17):
watching the content, that's the important part, Without even watching it,
they'll go on YouTube, this is what this is what
this is, and I'm gonna gonna get it on a rant.
Go on YouTube and see a guy on a video
and be like, yeah, this is whoa all these little
check marks or whatever like that, and then they'll be like, oh, yeah,
that guy definitely watched it. Most times, those guys don't

(06:39):
even watch the videos. So you're seeing here going on
a person that just looked at a screen screenshot of
an image of a character that just happens to be
like Harry Off one from the from the New Spider
Man show. People are having a problem with that and
say it woke just because he was in the show
and stuff like that. I'm just like, so woke is
just things that you don't want to see in media,

(07:01):
which happened to be characters that are outside of the
majority of white characters. That's pretty one once it is,
and it's just if you want. And here's the thing.
And I think the term woke is cringing now, like
it used to be a great term with before early
two thousand or two thousand and what twenty twenty four

(07:22):
is when it started being no. Two twenty three or
something like that. Yeah, when it started when the term changed,
because it had been, like you said, being aware of
social issues and political stuff, and that was a good term,
just being aware of those things. And now it's it's
like being aware of things that don't necessarily might not
even exist just because there's a gay character and a

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show doesn't mean that it's a bad show, because, like
you said, Abbot, they have plenty of diverse characters on
that show when it comes to personality and what they
do and how they act in this out the other.
And because the writing is great, the show was amazing,
Like I love every character of the show, but I
don't have to be like I can see a character

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that doesn't represent who I am, and I have a
problem about it because he's a good written character. There's
a human element to him, and that's the important thing.
And I think people are using that word just to,
like I explained, they're using that word to just go, oh,
I don't want to see this thing, and this is

(08:28):
the reason why, and it's important, and it's really not important.
Just give give and I always say this, just give
the media a chance, just go in watch it. If
you don't like it after watching it, and it's because
and then it's because of writing, because that's what because
most times it's people don't like the show because of

(08:48):
the writing, but they.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Get about what color they are, what they preference. I
don't care about none of that because if I'm watching
something and it is not good. I'm completely taken out
of it exactly poorly.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I don't care about the characters. Make me care about
the characters.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Don't sell me something to make an oscar or to
try to become a controversial.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Just that musical that just came out with that musical
and stuff like that. Like yeah, like I haven't seen
the movie, so I'm not going to talk too much
on it.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I've just.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
I've seen clips and watch review then I've heard it's
not great, and it's not because of the character being trans.
It's because the writing is just bad, and that's fine.
You can dislike something for the writing, but disliking it
because they have a black person or a gay person
or a trans person, it's or it's you're not really

(09:51):
a fan of the media, especially spider Man. Spider Man
is probably one of the locust characters there is air
quoteocus characters there.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Is crazy because if you think about it, Spider Man
is from Queens, New York. What type of people live
in Queens, New York.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Demetria definitely a diverse community, Okay, bro we talked about
Latino Flags.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's a it's very diverse.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's a very diverse community. So diverse exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
So the fact that you say show it might be
too woke because it has Asian.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
And Black chas and all that. I'm like, Bro, Spider
Man is from Queens, He's from and.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
No, I'm just saying, just especially now, it's probably even
more diverse now than it was when we would It's
always been diverse existence, but it's like now it's even
more diverse.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
So it's reflecting what happens in this real time.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
And I'll give you an example real quick before you
can say make your coming.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
It's like me taking.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
A movie like like The Godfather, right. The Godfather specifically
was made to tell a story about a certain group
of people in a certain time and.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
A certain era of American history.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, talking about immigrants coming over and making a living
in the country during the twenties and thirties, getting into
the crime families and the mafia and all that.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So it told a story about a specific group.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
So if I was to go and make The Godfather now,
but in the same period, it say, oh, let me
drop a few black people in the neighborhood, or some
Mexican people, or let me just drop them in here,
and that it's not authentic.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
It doesn't fit because that's not who lived.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
The demographic was not that group of people in that
area of telling this door. So when you do things
like that's like you said, you can't even that's not
being woke anyway, like the way they've turned the term into.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
What's being woke? Like we said, being woke is what
I just described being aware.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
That's why I say that's where the word comes from
being woke, because when you're aware, you're awake.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know what a situation is, you know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
So I'm aware that when Spike Lee made the movie
like Crookland, I'm very aware of these issues he's talking
about growing up in Brooklyn in a predominantly black neighborhood,
a black family, like middle class. It's the racial appropriation
that's put into that film that it doesn't. It's not

(12:47):
to check the boxes, but to make you be aware
of what goes on in that community and how people
fight through it and the.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Things that go on in the background. Just do the
right thing. That's another one.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
The guy had the shot and he was was he like,
was he Italian? I forgot what they were, but they
they were white guys in the neighborhood, and the problem
that happened was because they was in a black neighborhood.
It's suffered in the end as to where they shot
got burned down, but it was because of the all
the social injustice that went on in the movie and stuff.

(13:23):
That's what it comes to when things are woke. You know,
that's woke being aware of what's going on.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I know when yeah, you're good, Hey, I was, Hey,
that was good, that was some good software. I agree
with you because and I have my points. But the
first point when about the Spider Man, just tie that
one up. And Spider Man's whole thing is anybody can
wear the mask that that sounds very woke to me.
And their definition that woke to me, it's like and

(13:52):
also being let's say in their terminology of woke, let's
say these people who are against woke term and people
in color and other communities and stuff like that, they
say it's wo because if it's a bad thing, like
having di diverse cast is a bad thing. It's not
a bad thing to have a diverse cast. It's not
a bad thing to have like in Spider Man have

(14:14):
some black people and Asian people and of their community
in there, because that's how the world is. So being
woke is not a bad thing. Original term, and the
way they try to spin it, they just try to
make it a negative term. They turn a positive term
into a negative term. They took it, rebranded it, and

(14:35):
packaged it back out into the communities and stuff like that.
But there's a like and I liked your point about
the difference between checking a box and checking off a
list of Oh, we have to have these certain people.
I like that idea of that still not necessarily being woke,
because wo is being able to understand those communities and

(14:55):
write them really good and to make some human to
make people who aren't for those communities to understand it.
And media has always been woke when you look back
at Static Shock or a lot of the movies in
the nineties and stuff like that when they were having blues. Uh.
The first of more people being represented in different shows,

(15:16):
Justice League, Unlimited era, Justinely and Justinely Unlimited, our woke shows,
air Goo by their terms or woke show.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I even and go back further back all of all
the black exploitation movies, yeah, that whole era, and even
a feelm that I was gonna mention that I just
thought about is the Imitation of Life. Yeah, because it
addressed the issue that's very real about passing when you

(15:49):
mix race and you can almost pass a white because
the light of the lighter skin, and a lot of
people used to do that in that time. So that
was a movie that came out in the fifties that
addressed the real issue that was going on as that
film was being made.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
That was something that was still going on in America.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
It shows that awareness of, hey, this is an issue
that that black people deal with. And it's crazy because
it was made in that era of like where white
people were still like controlling cinema. It was predominantly white
as far as like directors and writers. So it was
interesting that movie came out. Something like that came out because,

(16:32):
as we said, it's a woke thing and that's probably
before the term was even what it is, like we said,
it was actually what it was about. Like people probably
was talking about that film is man, that film gonna
wake some people up, and that's that's where it was.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
From where it comes from. So yeah, and I'll even
do you one even like Closer to Home, like closer
to Us I went back and rewatched Captain America Winning
Soldier and that event that movie with the theory, the
type of the topic that they're talking about in that
movie is would be considered woke if we're talking with me.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Today, especially.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Exactly. Yeah, that part for sure, and like I said,
Winter Soldier for sure because that was crazy. That was
what they were talking about is some stuff that honestly
within our current news cycles really hitting Coke the home.
But also the new Captain America movie. People are thinking
that is that's what. But here's the thing in the

(17:31):
comics That's himself said that they are both Captain America.
Like he agreed that they're both. There's no hyphen they're
both Captain America.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
But it's also this whole thing about like color. Oh
it's the black spider Man, black bat right, black on black,
go cool black? This the Asian hole, Like why is
it just not the whole or the whole true?

Speaker 2 (18:06):
But spider Man.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
But they have to say, oh, the Black spider Man,
but no, it's just spider Man.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
In that interview that sent you remember that, how do
you what do you feel about? What you mean? That's
just America's America America.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I think it's just it's the it's it comes back
to your first point or your point before about checklists.
I think that's why they have to have like Black
Spider Man and Black Captain America. It can't just be
Captain America because they have to. It's a way of marketing.
I think too, it's like they have to sell that.
It's just a weird way to do it. And this
is a weird way to to to market stuff. You

(18:52):
have a visual form of media, just show us the image. Oh, now,
Sam Wilson is Captain America. It's like we know. I
always say, it's like we know what the person looks
like or who's playing the character. We don't have to
have the emphasize for us. But let's go back even

(19:13):
further back, and if we're talking about woke stuff, just
to tap a little bit, Blade, Blue Cage, mifty Felthing,
Black Panther, Big Fanstatic icon.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Had I thought, I'm glad you brought up icon Icon
would be considered a very wol character because not only is.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
He a sentient being from another blandet, but that came here.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
He took the form of a black en slave person
and as a as an infant, so that means he
would grow up as in that period, like he could
have chose to take anything, any form he wanted, but
that's what he related to and connected to because that's
who who welcome him man war and he grew up

(20:02):
through that through generations for that kind of mistreatment.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
And on top of that he was a Republican.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, and then the Democrat all right, and that game.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, and that game that that kind of dynamic with
them and how they it is.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
But also, oh sorry, just to add that Rockets about
Rocket before I forget Adhd, I'm gonna forget. But Rocket,
she she is one of the few sidekicks that that
comes at her hero and criticize them. You don't see
that a lot in media. You don't see Robin Robin

(20:42):
Knightwing does, but you don't see Robin the Robin's questioning
Batman too too much or getting on Batman all the time.
But like Rocket was like, no, you can't be that way.
You got to change that or we have to talk
about that, which is and for one, also just her
being a black woman being able to really hold her
own and also talk that way towards her hero was

(21:02):
a big thing at that point in time, for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
And it's a man because that's another thing. Women are
not supposed to be outspoken. Yeah, exactly, man somebody who's
strong within like power, and so that's another thing that's
going back to being aware of a real situation and addressing.
It's not just saying, oh, we want her to be

(21:26):
strong and talk to him like this because she's a
woman and she's a superhero. It's now she's addressing the
issue that she has a problem with and she's voicing
her opinion to show her freedom of speech.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
And that's how the character was written.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Now, I want to ask you something because we were
talking about it and you brought up like Luke Cage
and Blade and stuff. So do you remember when Black
Panther came out and everybody was I think that was
probably like one of the first time I heard like
the whole woke thing. Oh yeah. It was like yeah,

(22:05):
and they was like, oh this is it's gonna be
another woke movie and they're gonna just do this.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Now, I would say this is about Black Panther.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
I love Black Panthers movie, but I wouldn't say it's woke,
but I would say it falls under that what they've
made it to now because they tried to check a
lot of boxes to the point where it hurts the villain,
the main villain, the main character, the whole world. Like
it felt like the thing that like it was supposed

(22:35):
to be like our time to arrive in superhero movies,
and I personally.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Didn't feel like it did because it just missed.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
It missed a lot of things that it that could
have made it a hundred times better. Yeah, because even
to the point where he eventually opened up to the
world after one movie, I was like, bro, I really
don't even think it should have been like that.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think they could have a couple more movies.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, I think we know why they opened it up
because if you watch Infinity, if it Infinity were battle
took place, that will common. So they open it up
with a story plot. You know, it wasn't like his
kind of It wasn't like, oh, the child opening it
up because like he wants to. He's doing it because
we got a battle in your conduct, so we gotta

(23:23):
open this up to people. We can't have doors showing
up and everybody's like, how did you get in here?
Oh wait? Your question was like how do I feel
How do I feel about Black Panther.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Do you feel like it was it was affected?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Do you feel like it was affected by like the
whole woke thing?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
And did it hurt in the film?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
How do you feel about just how do you feel
about it? Overall?

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Because the reason why I pulled it, that went out
because it was such a big film and it broke
at the records as far as box office.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
It was just talked about so much.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Because I went to the movie. It was she Black
Panther went to see a movie. I think two or
three times I went out.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I love the fact though, that everybody was coming out,
and I was about to say that I was proud
of that.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I was so proud of it.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
It was a packed theater every single time I went,
packed theaters, and I don't think i'd never heard anybody
say it was like woke. During that time period, everybody
started saying it. Towards the second one. It changing came
at it, George. That's when it started becoming like, oh,
it's a woken up. I was like at the time
period where woke just started being used on the internet
and more often to describe just a movie that just

(24:34):
happened to have people of color in it, and this
that the other. But during twenty eighteen, I didn't feel
like anybody was really hating on it that much based
on how the audience were in the theater than who
were showing up and who was coming to theater. It
was packed out all the time. I don't think it
was affected by it in the sense of people going
out to see it. I think the second one maybe,

(24:56):
but the first one, Now, first one, people were showing.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Up one, I agree.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, second one. I think that's when people started calling
it woke, and people just started saying they weren't going
to go see and then people were watching those videos
online from the people I won't mention them, but they
knew who they are that we're talking about. Oh hey,
don't go through this movie. It's woke because it Guy
Sheery as black Panther. Which what however you feel about
that decision, it's up to you, but it's not it's

(25:25):
woke because of that. Like I listen, I've for this podcast.
I did a lot of research. Okay, I went in
the trenches, okay, so I know these actual people exist.
I'm not even straw manny. This is like these people
out there and you can't get off. Like I said,
you can't go on social media without seeing the term
woke in some facet somewhere.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Games.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, like people don't want to go buy a video
game because nobody wants somebody nobody. People didn't want to
go buy Dragon Age because there happen to be like
a gay subplot that you didn't even have to interact
with in the game. People are like, oh, I don't
want to go watch that.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Remember people, what's ship doing?

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Outlaws? Because a female it was a female league character.
I was like, bro, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
And the worst part about it was they were like, oh, hey,
she's not an attractive character. I'm like, I don't give up.
I don't funk about that. I don't care if a
game good or not.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Like it's so crazy. It's like, like you said, it's
only so much you can really say about this subject,
and like what you can.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Touch on because it's really what we said is really
the just of it. That's how you literally break it down. Yeah,
it's a term.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
It's a term that was a positive and it's been
switched over to negative like derogative.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, it's a weaponized against the people who created it.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
It's got a lot to do with the with the
politics coming into films and show video games, and like we,
like I said, when we started this out, pushing the
agendas in there, trying to add sprinkle this here and
sprinkle this there, just because you'll be playing.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
You'll be playing the game and you're doing a mission and.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
It's like you ride by just two people, like two
men kissing because they wanted to make sure, hey, here
they are, or a couple of they do stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Like that, and Bro, you don't have you don't have
to do all that. You really don't.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, you just you just have to You can let's say,
for instance, you can have those characters in the show,
but just don't have them in the show just to
check a box. Like I'm not, like I said, I'm
not saying that's what people who either turn walk or
using they're not saying, Oh, it's because it feels like

(27:53):
a checklist. They're thing is in general, it's a bad thing.
Like I like, when it comes to show, then are
you shows for instance, because I played, I watched more
shows and I don't play video game than when it's
on the video game For the most part, I don't
really care, Like as long as the game like game,
I don't care. I don't care who or who who's

(28:14):
represented in the thing. I don't care. I think I
played a game called Hades, and Hades the main character
was I think he was like I think he's by
and I didn't care because the game was fun. I
don't care. I don't care. There's plots and now like, Okay,
give you a perk, Okay, cool, keep it. I don't

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care because anything is the game good is all I
care about. It's a show good. That's all I care about.
I don't care who is in these things represented or
anything like that. I'm not if the plot is bad
or if the story is bad. That's what I talk about.
I don't care who's represented in this thing or whatever.
And I know this is a long rant because we

(28:56):
were ranting for a good minute, but the point of
the matter is here the scurren Tail podcast. We don't
care about that stuff. We just want a good show.
Like if I see a character or a person, yeah,
character or something in a show that the other group
being represented, I'm happy about it. I'm like, Okay, cool,
you got something. You got a show. I don't gotta

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and all I got to appeal to me. As long as
somebody win it, I'm winning. As long as the show
is good, I'm winning.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
You don't have to make a black show just because
it's for me to watch.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
It, Like, I don't exactly do that, you know, just.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Like that movie The Society of Magical Negroes. I tried
to watch that movie, and I got through thirty minutes
of the film and I was like, no, bro, this
is not appropriate, Like y'all, y'all are trying to not
be making a film is not.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Racist, and it's racist as hell, racist as hell, But
I won't even get into that.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Like something like that, you really could have turned the
stereo type thing that's been a part of film and TV.
You could have really took that and turn it into
something like really.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Good and have some background to it. Yeah, the cats say,
what's up? They y'all.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
By the way, he's talking in the background, he's coming around.
Yeah he's gonna he's gonna go up there for a second.
Roach he wrote.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Something. He probably saw that movie to it.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
He was saying, yeah, even about I don't like that movie.
That movie is bad, But the.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Real It's like, why can't we get stuff like that
and get like a version like a Hairy Potter type something,
or keep it in that round but short the way
with something that actually that progressed like black people from
because they said that it started in like slavery times
when they was using it, and the whole purpose of

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the movie is to keep there there to keep white
people calm so they won't get upset and destroy the world.
I'm like, really, bro, that's what y'all, that's what y'all
chose to go with. And then the main care do
they choose When they choose him, it becomes like this
whole like love story and wrong come and then it

(31:37):
totally gets away from what the plot of the movie is.
So it's like, that's like a perfect example that one,
because I was watching like I did a little research
and I was watching some stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
That one matam Web we already talked about acting like.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
So stuff those movies like that, they definitely fall into
that to the negative definition of the turn that was
possible definitely, which is woke and and and after that,
I think that's all I got right there on that.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Okay, I'll do my I guess I'll do with my
final remarks to go on to your point. Yeah, Like
when it comes to if we're gonna do this thing
called if we're gonna we're gonna rebrand and woke to
be representation, right, essentially, then there are there is good

(32:35):
representation and it's bad representation. You have your you said
the magical Negroes. I forget the anciety of you have that,
which is a bad example of let's say representation or
woke representation equals woke representation, and then you have stuff
like Up in a Way, which is great representation. I

(32:56):
love that movie Theatre That Individus, Okay, shout out.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I think I think we need to just do like
a whole podcast reviewing that The Deep, Yeah, because it's
so much it's so much good like history behind that
and what it started. I honestly think if it wasn't
for that film, like we wouldn't have got like.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
The Sky High movie. Yeah, definitely after that. I think
that was like the precursors of like Scott Hot.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, in that movie referenced Marvel and.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Characters and it did they knew they was like they
were talking about mister Fantastic mister Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I think they talked about Spider Man and Mother Superman.
And then the funniest moment in that movie when when
when the grandfather tried to come Favor Day and he
got there choa and.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Then like flies and he sounds like the old like
fighter Jit that just came to hang out and start.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yes, just as you.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
See this, this is gonna be like we might have
to just have a whole podcast, but just.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Because we might just have to. Yeah, because it's it's
such a good it oneed such a good movie. And
it's early two thousand, which is it? Which is which
was an era of time where a lot of these
shows that would be considered woke now, which is representing
these different groups. But what was that because two thousand
around didn't like shows like That's the Raven and stuff
coming around two thousands, I'm not mistaken that would have

(34:25):
been considered it woke because it had a black female
lead and to Power Family, there's plenty of them, but
even in animated you got Rocket Power, which was like
they were it was like they were Hawaiians. Yeah, I'm
not mistaken or somes know. I think, Yeah, I think
there were some correct if in the comments, if we're wrong,

(34:47):
no disrespect to either community. I just I was I
assume they were Polynesian, could be something like that. If
we were wrong, we no offense at all. But just
to prove the point is, like woke's been around for
a lot representation flash woke has been around for a
long time, and people just either we're sleep at the

(35:08):
wheel or just weren't well sleep on the little or
weren't paying attention, or just too young or kids. Because
even shows like Spider Man ninety, the ninety Spider Man
was pretty woke and like I say, static shock all
the time. But I'm trying to think of another show
to hit it off on. Shoot, let's go, I'll give
you another one. Power Rangers with Woa Powerngeres has always

(35:31):
been woke.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Started to the end, Yeah, to the end. That's a
great way to end it off. That is a great
way to end.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
It all the way, all the way to the point
that they even had a couple uh like black lead
like rights in the fact that one of them and
the SBD one of them got the got the he
was ego tripping off the leaderships.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's just going to vote him out.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Dude that Hey, if y'all ever like he said, if
y'all ever want to go watch something like progressively showing
it and like how it grew into that term, go
watch Powers. It don't matter what season you watch. You
can start in the middle for the end, it don't matter.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
You can start.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
All I was gonna say is like you really like you?
You know how they say the final remark. You just
had the final remark and you put the nail in
the damn COVID.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, because come on now, Like that's hinted inception. That
show has been progressively, it's been welcome representing and getting
more like represented as it goes on. Like we had
last season we had two black characters in it, an
aging character and someone that was that was okay in

(37:04):
the show, Like there was a Yeah, I'm just saying,
if we have a problem with representation or wokeness or
whatever like that, were you not paying attention to the
Power Rangers. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, or even shoot,
even Star Wars, I'm just so Star Trek. I'm just

(37:30):
I can keep going. Oh shoot, I even gonna believe
want better The Twilight Zone x x men.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
The whole idea X man was created from wokeness. They
were the concept was created from wokeness because of of
an issue that happened in that was happening in America.
The civil rights movement is why we got X men.
It's literally the story is literally the same.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
They just made them exactly, They just and they use
them to talk about groups that aren't really represented in
a positive light, so.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
You know, press against the press, against the pressor yep.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
And last final remarks that I'm gonna say, media has
always been woke. You just weren't paying attention.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
And that's why some of y'all ain't woke because you're
still sleep.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Oh mic drop. I would take my mic off here,
but unscrew it. Do you have any more final remarks
because I did drop some more truth off you good?
All right? Just making sure that before we wrap things up,

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(39:10):
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But Discord is live, so join us on Discord talk
to us. We're nice people. They can tell us all
your your your what wochisms or whatever. You can tell
us what you think is woke, was not woke, whatever
it is. Well, yeah, what was your first show that

(39:34):
where you saw a diverse cast? You know, where it
woke you up to different communities and how things go
and educated you on those communities. Let us know in
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(39:55):
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who's watched our previous video about the live action Disney's
not living up to the animated stuff or losing the magic.
If you want to check out that video, it'll be
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(40:15):
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I've been your ol Dmitri.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'm ther Holst Marcus.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Remember y'all, please stop turning these positive terms into negative
because of the political agenda behind it.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
And this is and this is.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Let's Go Around Table podcast and we are out. This
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