August 2, 2025 • 48 mins
We dive into the controversial new Superman 2025 movie. We discuss the internet's divided opinion on superhero movies being labeled 'super woke' and break down our thoughts on the film's social and political implications. From Superman's immigrant origins and his fight against injustice to the depiction of his kindness in a cynical world, this episode covers it all.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome, Welcome back to our freaking gigs to the Square
on Table podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm your host to treat with my co host.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Mark and Mark in the building. I'm getting that leg
on point now. Hey you figured it out?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, with the.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
New Superhero movie back and that are coming out this
last month.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I think it's a month. Yeah, that's no. Sorry. Superman
came out first in.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Fantastic Wore came out last weekend, so something like that.
Today we're gonna be talking about the Superman, the Superman
movie and what we thought about it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I know that's a lot of people on the internet
are like.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I'm just up. Yes, he had it's good. It's it's
all everywhere. But it's a good song. It's great.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
But I know people are diversed on about it or
not diverse more or less.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Real political level.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I'm talking about like when they was actually talking about it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah exactly, I was like, what they call it, super woke,
super super what they were calling it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
We're gonna give our thoughts about all this.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I would say, let's just get it out the way
right now before you get keep until it. As we
have discussed before and broken down very precise and laid
it out in one of our older podcasts. If you
would like to go check that out, it will be
the description below. But when it comes to the term woke,
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for one, they have turned it into a very negative
turn because it was never a negative turn. Two, Superman
has been woke since it's created, Since the creation of Superman.
It don't get no more woke than this. This is
what's gonna put the icing on the cake. Superman was
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created by too Jewish born like immigrants like his premise
was already walked before he even got on the page,
coming from the people who came up with us.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
They came up with him, and not to mention the
fact of the matter that Superman on record has went
against I think Hitler and the and for sure the Klan.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
The Klan, any kind of fashions group, dictators. And on
top of that, he would sit to earth. He is
an alien? What is alien? What is the actual definition
of an alien in the dictionary? To what is it called?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
A what?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Not even the definition? What's the other words you can
say for an alien?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And immigrants?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
So people talking about about immigration and Superman is being
super Bowl. No, it's been like that get your pans
out the bunch. It's just about this as what it is.
It is a comic book movie. This movie is not
here to make any kind of statement, to address any
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kind of issues, because that's comics. Comics always have been
controversial slash political. That's just the game. So of course
the movies are gonna reflect where it came from. So
we got that. I got that out there.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I got a little extrara how are you mad?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And I'm talking about people who dislike this movie and
don't ask A few people like that movie kind of
the method of Superman, if methods was literally be kind
and treat people like they you want to be treated.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It's like like literally you're mad at someone being kind
to people.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Like that's not going to be good anymore. Punk. It's
not punk.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, I feel bro.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's so crazy that I've seen like all of these
interviews and posts like these other like social media influences.
We've been talking about the same thing we're saying and
they all say the same thing. So I really think
this movie reminds people like what it is to see
a good person, because I think everybody's forgotten what that
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looks like. Which is very sad when you think about it.
It tells you the state that we are in, and
not just not just in our country, but the world,
because that's something that's like a heavy thing that lay
on to come out of a film like this.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
To what you said, and you know what.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I brought up, we just had to like ear that
out and get it out there because it's like people
don't understand this movie has.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Taken on a lot before, like before it hit the theaters.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
This is what everybody was talking about, Like people who
went to see early screening is on the media of
what they've seen and what they've heard.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
This is all they talked about leading up to the movie.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And then people go see it who are real like
comic book fans and who ain't into all that crap.
Everybody I heard just about enjoying it. It's probably a
couple of people who hate, but it's always hated out there.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
What be Ob said, Yeah, hey, everywhere you go, I think,
like I think, what a lot of people, a lot
of the people that disliked familiar like Snyder fans, like
that's yeah, it's not all it's not all people I
just hate or think everything smoke or whatever like that.
It's also like Snyder fans who were just like hating
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on it because Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill for sure got
shafted dirty, but like Cooperman needs to have bright, vibrant
color like what Zack Snyder was doing with them and
what we had at the time with Okay, but it
wasn't it wasn't exactly what Superman was supposed to be.
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Like there's certain parts of Zack Snyder's Superman where he's if,
now this man just wanted a god or whatever, he
wanted brooding, He just wanted our coach Chad said, it
is like he just wanted a Batman, Like he couldn't
make a Batman, so he made Superman and he made.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Him he literally did.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
He made it so dark, down to the setting and
the tones, like he even made the farm look depressing,
and that's always been a.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Bright spot in Superman, like and it just looked like
so sad and depressing.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And I was like even the Metropolis and Daily Planet,
like the Daily Planet was just like I think the
met Life building or something that he's like that, and
I was like, you took.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
All of the fun.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Now the Superman don't get me wrong, Like we say
all the time, we love Henry Cavil Superman.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, because he did a good job.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But the tone tonally it was wasn't what we were
looking for, especially what we had gotten up to then,
Like every Superman iteration up to then was like you said, bright, vibrant.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Even small like small bill.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, it was a more serious like tone, but it's
still had the colors, the light heart moments exactly. That's
what makes Superman Superman like you. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I'm sorry gonna cut you off.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I just had a thought, like you were saying, I
want to touch more on like you're saying every iteration,
but literally Zack Snyder's is like bite, bright and vibrant
and for the most part, and then I think with
his old idea of grounding or having I guess you
would say more grounded verse, he took all the comic
book myths out of it, like the look of.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
The comic book out.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Of it, you know, to Marble, Yeah, it just didn't work. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You can't when it comes a Superman, you can't do
him like Iron Man.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
And because he's literally like a superhero.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Who's all powerful, who can fly and shoot lasers out
of his eyes and have super breath, all these things
that you gotta be like it has to be a
little over the top even to his business and stuff.
And then he just really crushed us with the Lex
Lex little character.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
In the direction he went.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And to this day I stand by and say, that
wasn't Lex, that was like his son, and he was
like island. I think, yeah, like he was off on
the island someway, chilling on vacation for about a few months,
and that's why he was there.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
That's what I say in my head. But like we said,
like the podcast is, I know it said.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Superman, but we're here to review the Superman twenty five
movie directed. But I got the goat right now coming
with movies because he ain't missed yet. He ain't starring
David Korins with the Superman, Rachel Bronson and Lois and
our boy Nicholas Hot.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
That's lick.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I just I called him out because those are like
the main kit, the main three people. We still go, Oh, yeah,
I can't say his name though, I ain't finna, I
ain't finna.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
His name, but he did he didn't work.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He didn't work.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
But yeah, the so coming into this movie just it's
almost perfect that we brought up Zack Snyner coming off
of the Snyder verse and how that kind of fell
through and coming into this like new era because we've
talked about the performing podcast and what we was expecting
(09:54):
and if we was nervous or that coming into this
movie as it got closer to being like a real
with the trailers and merchandise and seeing the actors do
interviews and James Gunn, what would like your expectations coming
into it, because I'll get some trying to say, did
you set them not so high just in case because
(10:16):
of what you just came off of, or did you
just go into it like I got faith because it's James,
he killed do it Guardians. I'm all in, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It was like because you thought it before me and
you told me you came to the green Light, and
I was like, all right, I'm gonna have I went
in I do with James Gunner. I like James gunns
work because Guardians of the Galaxy is definitely my favorite
like trilogy from the Marvel Universe and stuff like that. Overall,
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like it's just a perfect one two three felt like
I'm already in it. And I like Teethmaker because I
finally got to watch Peathmaker about.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
A month it fell go and that that was good.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I just started on it because I want to watch
season two, so I just started on.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I finally got caught find I watched a lot
of other movies too that they did.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But that's a whole other place rambling.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
But I went in with your recommend with your like,
oh it's a good movie, or your stample approval. But
I was like, if it wasn't this James Gun, I'm
gonna have a fun and seeing everything. And I'll tell
you one thing. This movie.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It got me emotional. I don't know how to explained.
I didn't know where I was. Just came up and.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I thought it was just me.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I thought it was just too I was like, man, this,
I'm like, it just makes me feel good, like I
ain't had a feeling like this since I was a kid.
Watching the movie seriously the whole time I was sitting
there and I was like, well it was one time.
I think I caught myself following him when he was
flying and stuff, like even the heartfelt moments they had
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and like you like you said, you can really feel
it was a feel good movie.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
He felt a lot of the emotions.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Even with Lex, like I felt bad for him at
the end because we saw what his downfall is and
why he is the way he is. He's an envious,
self centered, jealous, he's jealous, he has jealousy. So it's
all these things that's molded him. Because you can almost
tell because it's been three it's three this film.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
It's already been three years of Superman, like I Am Metropolis, so.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You know they've already had their battles and you see
how like even Lex is still like shaping into who
he's gonna be later on like Superman in the movie.
So you see him make that turn, especially when he
off old dude in the Pocket dimension, which I did
not think he was.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I was like, he's finna go that dark and then
I was like, ooh, we finish get that kind of
let He was like.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I didn't even I didn't even mean to do that.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
So I was like, and I am. I told you.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
After I came out the theater, I was like, Demetrius,
this is a comic book movie.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
When that's comic book movie.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I'm not talking comic book accurate because like we say
all the time, nothing, none of these movies are gonna
be comic book.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
That's something that people no, go.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Ahead because you finished, you literally finish, say some that's
what I want.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Like gonna say because liked I lost my my thoughts.
But like these movies, like there is no comic book
accurate movie, Like there's just so many source materials, so
many ideas going around. And also like this, the Marvel,
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the NFU, and the DCU are their own like universes.
So whatever happens in there is when people have to
let go of this term comico act, like the term
of comic book accurate, because you're just not gonna be satisfied,
like they're not gonna do it and him.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Sing I realized something like a while back.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's like you don't really necessarily want them to do
a combook actor like down to the Wire. You don't
want it to be like one to one do a
comic book like you're gonna go, oh, all right, I
saw flashpoints the animated series. Now look at a one
to one of that that animated series action.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That's boring. It's gonna go pay money for that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But yeah, you want a movie that Pickle markets saying,
have the com books feel you know, that feels like
it's moving, not only have the pace of a comic book,
like you're just going from seeing the scene because like
you're flipping a page.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It feels like you're just flipping pages, you know, and
that's good.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It felt like when the movie opened, and I just
found this little tip bit out that David Kong'sworth, who
plays Superman, is a he's a big star Wars. So
he suggested the James like that kind of like opening crawl.
It was like a literal crawl, but telling what's going
on and what's been happening over the years, like that intro.
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He suggested that, and I'm like yeah, and I'm like
that even adds more too. But going back to what
we were talking about, like the opening sequence, you're throwing
right into it.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
And that's I tell people all the time. I keep
hearing all these.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
People, Oh, this is why I hate not getting an
order story because then you just throw you gotta have
a montage and blunt like all these people so butt
hurt about noting orger story. But it's like sometimes when
you open a comic book and.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
It's the first issue.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's never an order story most of the time, especially
at this point in history, since comic books and the
character like that has been around like eighty some years.
You're not gonna tell the orgin story every time. It's
more of it'll be like a issue for and they
might flash back to when they was kids or something happened,
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But mainly it's jumping right into it, or you're getting
like that big spilled splat page where it's like showing
all the different stuff that happened through the months, and
then you like throwing right into the action, or it
might just be right into the daily Planet. That's mostly
it's like how it starts out, and that's how it
felt in the film, and even to the point where
you know the action and it's like real fast paced
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and you're keeping up with it. So it felt like
literally open the comic book and it went on to
the Yeah, so I know another issue too people.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Had was I had a question, but go ahead a no.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Another because another issue everybody kept talking about too was
David was like, oh, it's Superman.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
It's a lot weaker than all the other supermow.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Because he got his ass kicked in the first part,
and he was all beat up and blah blah blah,
like bro here we go, y'all just never satisfied.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
But go ahead, what you just finished?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
They be on that point to have my own thing
on that point, I think, and it's my lower issues
or my lower like explanation. It's like Superman is still
trying to figure out how to hold himself back.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
He's only three years into the game.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He's only trying to figure out how not to put
a hole through somebody.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
He's got this I mental amount of strength though he
getting beat up. But did he die?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
He got, he got, he came back every time. I
gotta get back up there.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, I'm just saying though, like he didn't die.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
But my question is about after that point.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But my question is how did you feel about because
it's another big thing that people had a problem with
and we're having discourse about, and how.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Did you feel about them changing his like origin story?
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Because I freaking loved it. I love every bit of it.
You know a lot, because we talked about this already.
But you know why, because sometimes you gotta switch some
sh it up.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Man and then it fits. It fits like it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
It's not one of those things, whereas oh, it just
does not make sense because they were good, there were scientists.
You have to think about it like this, that's a
whole other planet yep, in the universe. And according to them,
they're superior to us on Earth because of the technology, science,
the environment, the way they grow their crops, all of
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that stuff. Of course, if they see something like Earth,
it's almost primitive to them, and it's yeah, you go there,
spreads you see or whatever, show them how to do
this rule over them.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
And basically make another Krypton.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Like it makes sense, because that's what would happen in
some cases. Every case is not gonna be yes, my son,
and you go and you show the people of Earth,
because why would they say that they know nothing about Earth.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Earth is just.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Universe to them, exactly exactly because like my thing is
and I like change because I liked it because of
how Superman dit. Oh, my parents loved me, and I
want to share that love with everybody else. And then
when he found out about it, and then when he
found out the other half of the method, it disgusted him.
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And that's how you want your Superman to look. Believe
when you hear that shit, it's disgusted. And how his
parents can be like that.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's just like almost a real life thing. If you're
a foster child, you never mentioned parents, and let's just
say they show you a picture of your parents and
they was like professional athletes who are good at what
they did. And then but you have this family that
loved you and molded you into this good person you
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are whatever you do. But then you find out that
even though your fars is like great athletes, they ended
up getting they ended up being bad people in It's okay,
that's why they're not my parents.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
These are the people who raised me.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
This is who I am, even though that's where I
came from and that's my genetics.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I became something greater or something better.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Somebody like he he legit is a good person and
it made him even more of a good person because
of what he came from and what he saw.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
He's basically looking that's what I'm not going to be.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, I'm not about things like that.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
That's what make character development and a stronger hero. So
I didn't see what the biggest deal was.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I'm like.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
The thing is I love the thing that I loved
from that is like after aftermath and its actual like
its foster parents, like if dad was like parents raise
our kids or put into our kids what we want
the best of them. And sometimes you're parentship ain't ship
you pretty much.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
They ain't ship.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And I love how like in the beginning he had
his Kryptonian parents and see them.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And at the end they changed it to his like
his Earth parents.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
And then him growing And that's that that touches me. Yeah,
that's and that's the true meaning of the whole film.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's about, like we said in the beginning, actually just
being a good person and not letting your lineage of
your ancestry like determine who you are supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
This is this is who you are, This is who
you chose to be.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
This is who you are, and this is the path
that you've laid out for yourself.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
And it was good.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It was good to see him because, like you said,
a lot of times, it's always he goes to the fortress,
he listens to the messages, his dad tells.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Him how to do this and how to do that,
But at the end of.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
The day, it's him who's really doing it? So he
who is he going to really go to his actual parents?
Which and I like that we have both of them
for right now because every iteration of Superman we get
one of them doesn't last.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
So I was happy to see that. That made me
feel good. Okay, we got mad pop for a minute,
like an animated series exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I was happy to see because what we usually get
is like a more like a reverse like his dad
was more of a sympathetic character.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Exactly. And I like to see that the flip of that.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
The big softie.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Why don't you think much? She caught him much?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
So you know that. Man, I didn't mind it changed.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I don't think it changed.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
It is honest, honest thing about it.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
It really didn't change anything story wise, like the story
still flowed perfectly.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I don't know what the big deal was, I really maybe.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I think people are just so used to the way
that the story is and like the commos for eighty
plus years and they really haven't changed it. But I
will say one thing that I agreed with him, man.
I agree his crash out when Letik his dog. I
was with him with it.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I was like, you want to hear some funny ship
about that. So this one dude was like, see y'all
think he was there for the dog. Nah, He's like
he pauses, looking at that fear in his face. He
was because do you realize whose dog that is? And
if y'all dog man, if she comes back, you think
he powerful wait till she came and she ain't got
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no morals, bro, I was. I was like, Bro, I'm
going with that no matter what. I don't care what
James Gunn said. That's my analogy. The car was busting
up in there because he was like, man, if car
comes back and this dog, she's gonna kill, so let's
give me the damn dog right now.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I'll think you like that. I think it's I think
it's a combination of it too. I think what he
did he was like, I gotta get that dog back.
But I think Superman he cares about the dog, you know,
and his whole And I like the reason he gave
himself up with for the dog. I just showed how
kind and how.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Bro he saw.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
He saved the squirrel while he was fighting ye. On
top of that, he didn't want to take out the country.
He wanted to save him and take him somewhere to
be studied. So it's like, how can you really hate
this man? He's doing everything in his power. Like it
was a clip I think I sent it to you,
and they was showing like.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Zack Snyder's Superman for Aura, and it was like he
said he missed and.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Blew up a building, but here James g He's holding
the mustard so it won't hit the building. I was like, bro,
there it is right there that one see shows the
big difference.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Into another short that I didn't send you, And it
was like him saving the girl and then and then
it was.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
A Cavil Superman in the courtroom letting him blow up.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Oh yeah. I was like yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I was like, look, we liked Himry Cavilly and Superman.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Like I say, I just think they wrote him to
be like thed light Man. He was like he was
close because the Superman would never just let people die.
He would just save them and then go, okay, put
me back in whatever whatever cuffs you got. I just
wanted to stop that from happening because I can hear it,
so I think.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
But I was just I got a question with that,
like the dog and the Superman because I know.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
We're talking like a lot about what we liked about Superman.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I think pretty much everybody's gonna get the idea
of how we felt about Superman. And I just want
to say one quick thing before ask this question too.
I will say this, I feel like this film was
a big homage to Christopher Reeve and Brandon Roth Superman,
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and I felt like it was put together and it
was good to have that because like the way he
did when he changed his voice as Superman and asked
Clark when he was doing an interview with Lois, just
the little moments he had as Superman that Brandon Roth
had when he was playing them, and the Christopher Reeve
like it was very like he said, very lighthearted, right
(26:36):
and vibrant. And it's like you said, that's what we
was missing. And I'm just glad they didn't try to
like replicate a lot of stuff from those two but
it definitely paid homage to a lot of things from
that from those two films. So I go to ask this,
because we talked about Legs, we talked about Superman. What
(26:57):
how did you feel about the Justice Gang? Not lead
yet it's Justice Gang. What how do you feel about it,
and do you think because I personally I think I
told you, I think James Gunn did a very good
job at handling a group of characters and not having
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them outshine the main characters, because it's almost like he
was balancing two groups, the Daily Bugle, the Justice Game,
Lex and his groups and that's three so like he
had in the whole thing with Clark and his relationships
with people, but he never made it feel like it
was too much going on at one time. Everything balanced
(27:39):
out and every thing he set up it paid off.
Like we always say when we talked, it was the
payoffs always came in the end with anything he set up.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
No, I agree, So how do I think he handled
just the Justice Gang.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Or like, so, what were your thoughts on the Justice Game?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Like, I think he did a great job with introducing them,
because I think Hot Girl was introduced really great. You
got pretty much enough to really know who she is,
not not too much, because I'm sure he's gonna have
his own or she's gonna have her own like series
or something. Game's gonna do something with that character, and
probably Guy too. But I think he handled in mister terrific.
(28:22):
And I think he handled those characters great, and they
were like allies with the Superman, like they'd come in
when he needed them, or they'd handle things when he
was like fed up with or he was just dealing
with his stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
They would handle like that.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
By time, they were handling that beast outside and the
lowest were in there, and he had the scene with
the boots that was in the color and he's, oh,
they can handle that. That's just some interdimensional imp or
something like that. And so they came in when they
came in times, or they were used in times when
he needed a moment or a breath to have a
conversation or looks like the other. So they weren't, like
(28:55):
I said, overshadowing. So I like their inclusion. I think
they didn't overshadow. I don't think any characters over a
shadow anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And they all got to.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Shine because Guy Gardner got his theme where he was
flicking off everybody with the middle finger and stuff and
passing of that, and the hot girls just gotta gotta
kill off on the on the corrupt politician, dude.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I'm going the loop stuff. She got her terrific, that's
a terrific, got a whole freaking battle scene.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, time to shine. What's happy about that? Because I
like that character too. I like how he like we said,
this movie is really about being a good person, having
that choice, making that choice because with him, he was
obviously doing that because for his son, but he realized
he was like this guy, look at what this guy
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is doing, what he's going through, and he's still trying
to be good. I can do the same because I
have I have stuff to fight for. But showing that
you can make that choice or you can just go
lext and just say nah, if that, I'm going all evil.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I think.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And then even cryptos scenes are great, like him and
Man doing their combo play in the air. That was
one of my favorite Man they are going off and
then uh. I like the reveal of Ultraman with honestly,
and I know it's not possible.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I know that Barrow then a whole is in its
own different thing.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
But I was like, give me Brow, make him come
back in Bizarrow or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
You think.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I would have liked that too instead of him being
like Ultraman because he said he was a clone and
I was like, it's either two clones.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Of a Superman.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
We get is the kanna of Bizarrow, and I know
they ain't gonna do Conna this early because he's younger.
So that's what I was like, I thought it was
gonna be bizarre, but I see what he's doing, what
he's playing with, so it could I think I a Bizarro.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I think honestly, the reason I think Ultraman to Bizarro
is just because Bazarrow doesn't have the He's not.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, he had the power not. He definitely fit the description. Yeah,
the only thing.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
The only thing is he didn't have the freeze eyes
and stuff like that, because I think, yeah, people are
thinking what I saw online. People are thinking that he's
gonna somehow go through the black hole, go to another
Earth and then become the Justice thing and come back eventually.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And as long as I get to see man bro
so off Man, if he comes back with the.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Whole, the whole owl Man, James Gunn will be the
goat if he pulls that off.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Man, So you pull it off, like I I trust
in James gun and what he's doing. And then like
he introduced super Girl in this movie, she came in and.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
She's hilarious thing. She comes from a bitch like bitch.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
A lot. I've never heard anybody comes supermad.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
They didn't want to come because Clark was he just
took it, Like you can tell, she'd probably be like
fucking up Buff or even bothering him to the point
where it's okay, whatever, Car, I'm a bitch, Okay, just
get out. I just went through a whole thing, and
now you coming.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Here with all of this. I don't need this right.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Now right And like I say, I didn't know, I
didn't remember Car's repertoire because I used to c W.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Carr wanted the animated theories for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
When I kid I forgot Carl, Carl gets her wind
off the mud, she will breaksaw.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
She's definitely a wild card. Bro.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I saw her but piecing out Dark Side in the anime.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
BRO was like, what when she does just omeke a
beans and then that means hitt him in the back,
and he was like you can tell, he was like the.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Fuck I think she gave him like the Robin two
needs to a check.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
So I can't wait to see her film.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Very exciting, but I got to.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I was just gonna say another thing too, is because
I know we've been talking about it, but I've noticed
too that this whole film, he didn't really he didn't
go by Khalil, and you didn't hear him really mentioned
that name. And that's another thing, like James Gunn is
making it very obvious that he is Clark Kent. That's
who he is right now, and that's who he's accepting himself.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
So I was just gonna make that point because I
know we were talking about Supergirl and you see like
the dynatic, the different dynamics, and I like how they
chose they're going to run us saying that he's older,
and it's I don't think he's gonna do the whole
story about they came.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
And hers was off course, which I'm perfectly fine with.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Because it's still in reality he's older than her either way,
So it doesn't matter if it was because.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
The ship was delayed, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I hate when people get off like technical like new
because the shoot, No, we don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
We don't have to do that because she's younger than him.
Regardless of how it happens. You can make her the
younger cousin or whatever and keep and she shot off
a little after him her same time or whatever, and
you'll figure it out, you know that is. But I'm
gonna ask what character are you looking forward to sing?
(34:26):
And James Gunns like verse, like what character do you want?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
What character?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
One that Thardi announced can be like a new one.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Because she has not been done right yet and I've
been waiting to get a good version of her. I'm
honestly gonna say, Wonder Woman, oh you didn't like because hey,
you know, because he knows, he knows the answer, he'd
be a messy.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Right now, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Away, right now, you know where you are.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I don't I don't care for that portrayal wonder Woman.
The first one was the first one was a good idea,
but her portrayal, though, I don't care for it that much.
So I'm really looking forward to that because if this
is what James Gunn can give us out the gate,
I'm just wondering what he's gonna do with them Scared
(35:28):
with Diana. He's talking about Nebula is gonna be in there.
We already got a famous scared with what's creature commandos?
You know, we already know that they out there, So
I'm excited to see what route he goes is he
gonna sprinkle in a little bit of this absolute version.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Is he gonna sprinkle in a new New fifty two version,
new Frontier? What is she gonna be?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Is she gonna be one of the heroes that's been
around for the three hundred years and was fighting back
in the day they had.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
That's a version where they always go with when she
was in the Wars and she stepped back.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
So I'm excited to just see what he's gonna do
with her because we really haven't gotten that yet. Like
with Batman, it's always hit him in, Superman hit him in,
so we've gotten our good and our bad, but with her,
it's just been bad for her film. Definitely that be
one that I'm excited about because of all the other
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characters that can come from that.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
But honestly, if I had to pick a strong second,
it would be the Teen Titans.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's fair. I think he's already announced that. I think
he's working on that, But that's Fairs gotta go off
because yeah, iteration of the Team Titan.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, And that's why I say that, I feel like
James will kill it because of the blueprint.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
That's already there from Guardian, So we know it can work.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, it's just like we're trying to visualize it to
meet you say, we had a.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Bad taste in our mouth from the last ones.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
So he gotta eat enough of that ice cream to
get rid of that the p's and carry's taste.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I don't know you already know mine, but I'm gonna say,
I want to feed James guns March and Manhunter.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I want to see that definitely.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Oh that's where I'm at. That's the first person that
came to mind mind. I was like, look, what if
you can do it the Martian man?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Are you full for the DC the animated series version?
Are you going for comic the new like iterations of him?
What do you want to see or do you just
have open like an open mind of James. I know
you've got it. I'm just gonna see what you come
up with.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I wanted to see what he comes up with, because
like we've had so many iterations, Like we've had comic book,
comic books, we had TV show Supergirl.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think that Yeah, Supergirl had a martial and it
was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I wasn't mad about it after, but he did his part,
and then we had it that Justice League movie and
the director's cut, but we don't talk about that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, I mentioned it now just because I feel like
like we had it recently in the Justice League movie,
and I'm like, yeah, we never thought again, what are
we doing?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Ah? Yes, I agree with you that.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I'm feeling like because I thought he I thought mister
Anthem was a white Martian for a long like when
I found it at first, not a white Martian.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
We already got here.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
It's like I said, I'm that's a good one. That's
definitely a good one, because we haven't really that's he's
up there with Wonder Woman.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
We haven't got like that good version.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
And we're coming out the gate hitting like so strong
with this Superman. And even when it was in the
Hall of Justice with the Mural, it seemed like all
the heroes and some of them from the Golden Age,
and then he even had some newer heroes in there.
So I was like, Okay, James, you're doing something. You're
doing something. You know, I see what you're doing, my guy.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I want also, I definitely want and this is because
I'm a big Flash fan.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I want another Flash, all right.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Look, I like the w Flash for like feeling wanting
to and grant Grant Custin.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
He did a great job.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I actually really would love for him to defeat.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
But what we left with last.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Is not great.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
So Jay, coming from the square round table, we just
want you to give us a redeemable version of the
Flash Wonder Woman and man.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah, that's all we asked. We get that, we're satisfied.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Well, So being that way, wrapping things up, what would
you give this movie?
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I got one. I got one more question after that
than wrap.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I understand. What did I say? I gave it? When
I'm talking to you, I think he.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Said and or I think he said nine. I think
he gave it a night.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, I gave it a good strong because the only
thing I would say about it is a few times
it felt like it was just a few times it
felt like some little Russian spots in there, people trying
to get to a point a little too fast.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
And I can understand, but that kind of halted it
a little bit, or heard it just a little bit. Yeah,
I wasn't too big. What's the what's lexus? Girl? The girl?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, I forget I think the engineers. I wasn't too
big not on her character. The that night thing they
did when they were apart. I didn't care for that
as much because I was just like, okay, whatever, I
guess it had to be for the plot. I didn't
care for that part of the plot. Yeah, so that's why.
(40:51):
And like I said, it was just a little, a little.
But other than that, because I even know girl who's
with Jimmy, it has she was really smart. But people
thought she was dumb because she was taking the Celtics.
But I think that was like planing out like she did.
That was definitely planning out. So give a look because
she was a big part of the reason they got Yeah,
(41:13):
I define give it a nine. It's a good starter
point for a universe, a good kickoff startup movie for
the universe. I'm very excited to see what comes after that.
So I'm definitely on board. That's a fact right there.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, I agree with you. It is a nine. And
it's just like it's for me. It's the nitpicks, like
you were, like nippicks of the painting and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
That's really the painting because the nano tech girl, I
understood what her purpose was. I understand, like I knew
she was out her weight class fighting Clark because the
only thing she.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Can lived to nan attack and what Man was like, actually,
I was like she does. I was like, all right, cool,
the real fight was with him an ultra man really
exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
But yeah, I give it a nine. But let me
ask you one follow up question.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Is this your This is your favorite Superman that you've
seen in the year They're there or.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
There were saying, we're just saying live action.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Live action, Yeah, live action.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah, definitely, definitely he Christopher Reid is still up there
because it's that that his Superman just has other stuff
time too that makes him up there. But definitely this
is my favorite version. Yeah, this is my favorite version.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, this is my favorite version. And I did Brandon's.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Version, like those are my top three Brandon, Brandon, Christopher Reed,
and now this one. And like I said, we just
have love for Henry Cavill what he did, so yeah,
he got a special place in our heart. But that's
my big three right there. That's my big three.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, and I the one thing I loved it, like
they gave us the CW. The one thing I love
about the c W. They gave the mini flaw that
it had pacing it, and they gave Brandon another shot
to put on the suit.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
In the show, he got to put on the again.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
I was like, yeah, Ingo, come Superman too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I was like, all right, all right, I respect it.
I didn't know you came in like that. I respect it.
But other than that, Superman was a fun ride. I
think everybody should go see it. I think it's a
movie that will teach not only you, but you're If
you have kids, it's a good thing for them to see.
(43:36):
It's a good representation of a superhero, and it's good
representation of someone that looked to like when we're kids,
we were like, oh hey, I look at Superman, or
I look at Batman or the Flash or any character
of a superhero as a model of how to live
my life, be kind to others. I think that's a
good thing for your kids to see, or kids in
general to see.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
And adults don't need to be reminded of this, Sue.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I'm just saying, you gotta give me movies.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
I got one more thing before you close it out, Okay,
all right. Because he went on the route of giving
him the trunks, which he explained why.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
By the way, for.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
People who don't like it, it's the whole idea of
Superman is trying to look like not cool so he
can play off as not being strong and then so
the children won't.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
Be scared of him.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
However, do you think he goes with trunks for the
Dark Knight or he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Oh, I don't think he will, honestly, because the Man
is to not bring fear or whatever, but Batman is
to bring.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
So I had a tissue.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
I had to test you to see if he was
gonna say that, because that's what I said.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I was like, everybody was afraid, Oh, is he gonna
do the trunk's Batman? And I was like, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
So, because the idea of why he did it for
Superman is not the same with Batman. Now, if he
showed like a flashback, I think we would get it
in a flashback, if it's like his first suit or something,
or we see it in the back k or something
like that. But I definitely think there's gonna be no
trunks now. I do think he might try to incorporate
(45:32):
that blue and gray somewhere in there, because it seems
like he's.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Going for those kind of colors that palette in his films.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
So I do think we might finally get that blue
suit from Batman, not that terrible one they did in.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
The Flash you thinking.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
I was like, I could that was a piece of ship.
Chance said that there's a piece of ship.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
I try to respect it because I like the blue Man.
I tried to respect it in the movie because I
like the more blue tone. But after looking at it
in the light a couple of times, I was like,
I can't, I can't, I can't give it that props.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
You know what time it is, It's time for a sham.
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If I had the little thing I make the nose,
but take it away and tell them where they can
find us.
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I'm walking, Moll, I'm walking along and up in the
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Speaker 2 (47:44):
The Beatrice, It's Superman
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (00:06):
Mark and Mark in the building. I'm getting that leg
on point now. Hey you figured it out?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, with the.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
New Superhero movie back and that are coming out this
last month.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I think it's a month. Yeah, that's no. Sorry. Superman
came out first in.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Fantastic Wore came out last weekend, so something like that.
Today we're gonna be talking about the Superman, the Superman
movie and what we thought about it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I know that's a lot of people on the internet
are like.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I'm just up. Yes, he had it's good. It's it's
all everywhere. But it's a good song. It's great.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
But I know people are diversed on about it or
not diverse more or less.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Real political level.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I'm talking about like when they was actually talking about it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah exactly, I was like, what they call it, super woke,
super super what they were calling it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
We're gonna give our thoughts about all this.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I would say, let's just get it out the way
right now before you get keep until it. As we
have discussed before and broken down very precise and laid
it out in one of our older podcasts. If you
would like to go check that out, it will be
the description below. But when it comes to the term woke,
(01:41):
for one, they have turned it into a very negative
turn because it was never a negative turn. Two, Superman
has been woke since it's created, Since the creation of Superman.
It don't get no more woke than this. This is
what's gonna put the icing on the cake. Superman was
(02:04):
created by too Jewish born like immigrants like his premise
was already walked before he even got on the page,
coming from the people who came up with us.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
They came up with him, and not to mention the
fact of the matter that Superman on record has went
against I think Hitler and the and for sure the Klan.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
The Klan, any kind of fashions group, dictators. And on
top of that, he would sit to earth. He is
an alien? What is alien? What is the actual definition
of an alien in the dictionary? To what is it called?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
A what?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Not even the definition? What's the other words you can
say for an alien?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And immigrants?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
So people talking about about immigration and Superman is being
super Bowl. No, it's been like that get your pans
out the bunch. It's just about this as what it is.
It is a comic book movie. This movie is not
here to make any kind of statement, to address any
(03:20):
kind of issues, because that's comics. Comics always have been
controversial slash political. That's just the game. So of course
the movies are gonna reflect where it came from. So
we got that. I got that out there.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I got a little extrara how are you mad?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And I'm talking about people who dislike this movie and
don't ask A few people like that movie kind of
the method of Superman, if methods was literally be kind
and treat people like they you want to be treated.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It's like like literally you're mad at someone being kind
to people.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Like that's not going to be good anymore. Punk. It's
not punk.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, I feel bro.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's so crazy that I've seen like all of these
interviews and posts like these other like social media influences.
We've been talking about the same thing we're saying and
they all say the same thing. So I really think
this movie reminds people like what it is to see
a good person, because I think everybody's forgotten what that
(04:30):
looks like. Which is very sad when you think about it.
It tells you the state that we are in, and
not just not just in our country, but the world,
because that's something that's like a heavy thing that lay
on to come out of a film like this.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
To what you said, and you know what.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I brought up, we just had to like ear that
out and get it out there because it's like people
don't understand this movie has.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Taken on a lot before, like before it hit the theaters.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
This is what everybody was talking about, Like people who
went to see early screening is on the media of
what they've seen and what they've heard.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
This is all they talked about leading up to the movie.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And then people go see it who are real like
comic book fans and who ain't into all that crap.
Everybody I heard just about enjoying it. It's probably a
couple of people who hate, but it's always hated out there.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
What be Ob said, Yeah, hey, everywhere you go, I think,
like I think, what a lot of people, a lot
of the people that disliked familiar like Snyder fans, like
that's yeah, it's not all it's not all people I
just hate or think everything smoke or whatever like that.
It's also like Snyder fans who were just like hating
(05:45):
on it because Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill for sure got
shafted dirty, but like Cooperman needs to have bright, vibrant
color like what Zack Snyder was doing with them and
what we had at the time with Okay, but it
wasn't it wasn't exactly what Superman was supposed to be.
(06:08):
Like there's certain parts of Zack Snyder's Superman where he's if,
now this man just wanted a god or whatever, he
wanted brooding, He just wanted our coach Chad said, it
is like he just wanted a Batman, Like he couldn't
make a Batman, so he made Superman and he made.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Him he literally did.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
He made it so dark, down to the setting and
the tones, like he even made the farm look depressing,
and that's always been a.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Bright spot in Superman, like and it just looked like
so sad and depressing.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And I was like even the Metropolis and Daily Planet,
like the Daily Planet was just like I think the
met Life building or something that he's like that, and
I was like, you took.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
All of the fun.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Now the Superman don't get me wrong, Like we say
all the time, we love Henry Cavil Superman.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, because he did a good job.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But the tone tonally it was wasn't what we were
looking for, especially what we had gotten up to then,
Like every Superman iteration up to then was like you said, bright, vibrant.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Even small like small bill.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, it was a more serious like tone, but it's
still had the colors, the light heart moments exactly. That's
what makes Superman Superman like you. No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I'm sorry gonna cut you off.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I just had a thought, like you were saying, I
want to touch more on like you're saying every iteration,
but literally Zack Snyder's is like bite, bright and vibrant
and for the most part, and then I think with
his old idea of grounding or having I guess you
would say more grounded verse, he took all the comic
book myths out of it, like the look of.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
The comic book out.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Of it, you know, to Marble, Yeah, it just didn't work. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You can't when it comes a Superman, you can't do
him like Iron Man.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
And because he's literally like a superhero.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Who's all powerful, who can fly and shoot lasers out
of his eyes and have super breath, all these things
that you gotta be like it has to be a
little over the top even to his business and stuff.
And then he just really crushed us with the Lex
Lex little character.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
In the direction he went.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And to this day I stand by and say, that
wasn't Lex, that was like his son, and he was
like island. I think, yeah, like he was off on
the island someway, chilling on vacation for about a few months,
and that's why he was there.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
That's what I say in my head. But like we said,
like the podcast is, I know it said.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Superman, but we're here to review the Superman twenty five
movie directed. But I got the goat right now coming
with movies because he ain't missed yet. He ain't starring
David Korins with the Superman, Rachel Bronson and Lois and
our boy Nicholas Hot.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
That's lick.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I just I called him out because those are like
the main kit, the main three people. We still go, Oh, yeah,
I can't say his name though, I ain't finna, I
ain't finna.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
His name, but he did he didn't work.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He didn't work.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
But yeah, the so coming into this movie just it's
almost perfect that we brought up Zack Snyner coming off
of the Snyder verse and how that kind of fell
through and coming into this like new era because we've
talked about the performing podcast and what we was expecting
(09:54):
and if we was nervous or that coming into this
movie as it got closer to being like a real
with the trailers and merchandise and seeing the actors do
interviews and James Gunn, what would like your expectations coming
into it, because I'll get some trying to say, did
you set them not so high just in case because
(10:16):
of what you just came off of, or did you
just go into it like I got faith because it's James,
he killed do it Guardians. I'm all in, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It was like because you thought it before me and
you told me you came to the green Light, and
I was like, all right, I'm gonna have I went
in I do with James Gunner. I like James gunns
work because Guardians of the Galaxy is definitely my favorite
like trilogy from the Marvel Universe and stuff like that. Overall,
(10:47):
like it's just a perfect one two three felt like
I'm already in it. And I like Teethmaker because I
finally got to watch Peathmaker about.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
A month it fell go and that that was good.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I just started on it because I want to watch
season two, so I just started on.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I finally got caught find I watched a lot
of other movies too that they did.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But that's a whole other place rambling.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
But I went in with your recommend with your like,
oh it's a good movie, or your stample approval. But
I was like, if it wasn't this James Gun, I'm
gonna have a fun and seeing everything. And I'll tell
you one thing. This movie.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It got me emotional. I don't know how to explained.
I didn't know where I was. Just came up and.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I thought it was just me.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I thought it was just too I was like, man, this,
I'm like, it just makes me feel good, like I
ain't had a feeling like this since I was a kid.
Watching the movie seriously the whole time I was sitting
there and I was like, well it was one time.
I think I caught myself following him when he was
flying and stuff, like even the heartfelt moments they had
(11:56):
and like you like you said, you can really feel
it was a feel good movie.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
He felt a lot of the emotions.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Even with Lex, like I felt bad for him at
the end because we saw what his downfall is and
why he is the way he is. He's an envious,
self centered, jealous, he's jealous, he has jealousy. So it's
all these things that's molded him. Because you can almost
tell because it's been three it's three this film.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
It's already been three years of Superman, like I Am Metropolis, so.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You know they've already had their battles and you see
how like even Lex is still like shaping into who
he's gonna be later on like Superman in the movie.
So you see him make that turn, especially when he
off old dude in the Pocket dimension, which I did
not think he was.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I was like, he's finna go that dark and then
I was like, ooh, we finish get that kind of
let He was like.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I didn't even I didn't even mean to do that.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
So I was like, and I am. I told you.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
After I came out the theater, I was like, Demetrius,
this is a comic book movie.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
When that's comic book movie.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I'm not talking comic book accurate because like we say
all the time, nothing, none of these movies are gonna
be comic book.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
That's something that people no, go.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Ahead because you finished, you literally finish, say some that's
what I want.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Like gonna say because liked I lost my my thoughts.
But like these movies, like there is no comic book
accurate movie, Like there's just so many source materials, so
many ideas going around. And also like this, the Marvel,
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the NFU, and the DCU are their own like universes.
So whatever happens in there is when people have to
let go of this term comico act, like the term
of comic book accurate, because you're just not gonna be satisfied,
like they're not gonna do it and him.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Sing I realized something like a while back.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's like you don't really necessarily want them to do
a combook actor like down to the Wire. You don't
want it to be like one to one do a
comic book like you're gonna go, oh, all right, I
saw flashpoints the animated series. Now look at a one
to one of that that animated series action.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That's boring. It's gonna go pay money for that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But yeah, you want a movie that Pickle markets saying,
have the com books feel you know, that feels like
it's moving, not only have the pace of a comic book,
like you're just going from seeing the scene because like
you're flipping a page.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It feels like you're just flipping pages, you know, and
that's good.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
It felt like when the movie opened, and I just
found this little tip bit out that David Kong'sworth, who
plays Superman, is a he's a big star Wars. So
he suggested the James like that kind of like opening crawl.
It was like a literal crawl, but telling what's going
on and what's been happening over the years, like that intro.
(15:06):
He suggested that, and I'm like yeah, and I'm like
that even adds more too. But going back to what
we were talking about, like the opening sequence, you're throwing
right into it.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
And that's I tell people all the time. I keep
hearing all these.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
People, Oh, this is why I hate not getting an
order story because then you just throw you gotta have
a montage and blunt like all these people so butt
hurt about noting orger story. But it's like sometimes when
you open a comic book and.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
It's the first issue.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's never an order story most of the time, especially
at this point in history, since comic books and the
character like that has been around like eighty some years.
You're not gonna tell the orgin story every time. It's
more of it'll be like a issue for and they
might flash back to when they was kids or something happened,
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But mainly it's jumping right into it, or you're getting
like that big spilled splat page where it's like showing
all the different stuff that happened through the months, and
then you like throwing right into the action, or it
might just be right into the daily Planet. That's mostly
it's like how it starts out, and that's how it
felt in the film, and even to the point where
you know the action and it's like real fast paced
(16:24):
and you're keeping up with it. So it felt like
literally open the comic book and it went on to
the Yeah, so I know another issue too people.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Had was I had a question, but go ahead a no.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Another because another issue everybody kept talking about too was
David was like, oh, it's Superman.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
It's a lot weaker than all the other supermow.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Because he got his ass kicked in the first part,
and he was all beat up and blah blah blah,
like bro here we go, y'all just never satisfied.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
But go ahead, what you just finished?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
They be on that point to have my own thing
on that point, I think, and it's my lower issues
or my lower like explanation. It's like Superman is still
trying to figure out how to hold himself back.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
He's only three years into the game.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He's only trying to figure out how not to put
a hole through somebody.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
He's got this I mental amount of strength though he
getting beat up. But did he die?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
He got, he got, he came back every time. I
gotta get back up there.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, I'm just saying though, like he didn't die.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
But my question is about after that point.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But my question is how did you feel about because
it's another big thing that people had a problem with
and we're having discourse about, and how.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Did you feel about them changing his like origin story?
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Because I freaking loved it. I love every bit of it.
You know a lot, because we talked about this already.
But you know why, because sometimes you gotta switch some
sh it up.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Man and then it fits. It fits like it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
It's not one of those things, whereas oh, it just
does not make sense because they were good, there were scientists.
You have to think about it like this, that's a
whole other planet yep, in the universe. And according to them,
they're superior to us on Earth because of the technology, science,
the environment, the way they grow their crops, all of
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that stuff. Of course, if they see something like Earth,
it's almost primitive to them, and it's yeah, you go there,
spreads you see or whatever, show them how to do
this rule over them.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
And basically make another Krypton.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Like it makes sense, because that's what would happen in
some cases. Every case is not gonna be yes, my son,
and you go and you show the people of Earth,
because why would they say that they know nothing about Earth.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Earth is just.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Universe to them, exactly exactly because like my thing is
and I like change because I liked it because of
how Superman dit. Oh, my parents loved me, and I
want to share that love with everybody else. And then
when he found out about it, and then when he
found out the other half of the method, it disgusted him.
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And that's how you want your Superman to look. Believe
when you hear that shit, it's disgusted. And how his
parents can be like that.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's just like almost a real life thing. If you're
a foster child, you never mentioned parents, and let's just
say they show you a picture of your parents and
they was like professional athletes who are good at what
they did. And then but you have this family that
loved you and molded you into this good person you
(19:58):
are whatever you do. But then you find out that
even though your fars is like great athletes, they ended
up getting they ended up being bad people in It's okay,
that's why they're not my parents.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
These are the people who raised me.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
This is who I am, even though that's where I
came from and that's my genetics.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I became something greater or something better.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Somebody like he he legit is a good person and
it made him even more of a good person because
of what he came from and what he saw.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
He's basically looking that's what I'm not going to be.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, I'm not about things like that.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
That's what make character development and a stronger hero. So
I didn't see what the biggest deal was.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I'm like.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
The thing is I love the thing that I loved
from that is like after aftermath and its actual like
its foster parents, like if dad was like parents raise
our kids or put into our kids what we want
the best of them. And sometimes you're parentship ain't ship
you pretty much.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
They ain't ship.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And I love how like in the beginning he had
his Kryptonian parents and see them.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And at the end they changed it to his like
his Earth parents.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
And then him growing And that's that that touches me. Yeah,
that's and that's the true meaning of the whole film.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's about, like we said in the beginning, actually just
being a good person and not letting your lineage of
your ancestry like determine who you are supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
This is this is who you are, This is who
you chose to be.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
This is who you are, and this is the path
that you've laid out for yourself.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
And it was good.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
It was good to see him because, like you said,
a lot of times, it's always he goes to the fortress,
he listens to the messages, his dad tells.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Him how to do this and how to do that,
But at the end of.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
The day, it's him who's really doing it? So he
who is he going to really go to his actual parents?
Which and I like that we have both of them
for right now because every iteration of Superman we get
one of them doesn't last.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
So I was happy to see that. That made me
feel good. Okay, we got mad pop for a minute,
like an animated series exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I was happy to see because what we usually get
is like a more like a reverse like his dad
was more of a sympathetic character.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Exactly. And I like to see that the flip of that.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
The big softie.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Why don't you think much? She caught him much?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
So you know that. Man, I didn't mind it changed.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I don't think it changed.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
It is honest, honest thing about it.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
It really didn't change anything story wise, like the story
still flowed perfectly.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I don't know what the big deal was, I really maybe.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I think people are just so used to the way
that the story is and like the commos for eighty
plus years and they really haven't changed it. But I
will say one thing that I agreed with him, man.
I agree his crash out when Letik his dog. I
was with him with it.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I was like, you want to hear some funny ship
about that. So this one dude was like, see y'all
think he was there for the dog. Nah, He's like
he pauses, looking at that fear in his face. He
was because do you realize whose dog that is? And
if y'all dog man, if she comes back, you think
he powerful wait till she came and she ain't got
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no morals, bro, I was. I was like, Bro, I'm
going with that no matter what. I don't care what
James Gunn said. That's my analogy. The car was busting
up in there because he was like, man, if car
comes back and this dog, she's gonna kill, so let's
give me the damn dog right now.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I'll think you like that. I think it's I think
it's a combination of it too. I think what he
did he was like, I gotta get that dog back.
But I think Superman he cares about the dog, you know,
and his whole And I like the reason he gave
himself up with for the dog. I just showed how
kind and how.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Bro he saw.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
He saved the squirrel while he was fighting ye. On
top of that, he didn't want to take out the country.
He wanted to save him and take him somewhere to
be studied. So it's like, how can you really hate
this man? He's doing everything in his power. Like it
was a clip I think I sent it to you,
and they was showing like.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Zack Snyder's Superman for Aura, and it was like he
said he missed and.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Blew up a building, but here James g He's holding
the mustard so it won't hit the building. I was like, bro,
there it is right there that one see shows the
big difference.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Into another short that I didn't send you, And it
was like him saving the girl and then and then
it was.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
A Cavil Superman in the courtroom letting him blow up.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Oh yeah. I was like yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I was like, look, we liked Himry Cavilly and Superman.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Like I say, I just think they wrote him to
be like thed light Man. He was like he was
close because the Superman would never just let people die.
He would just save them and then go, okay, put
me back in whatever whatever cuffs you got. I just
wanted to stop that from happening because I can hear it,
so I think.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
But I was just I got a question with that,
like the dog and the Superman because I know.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
We're talking like a lot about what we liked about Superman.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I think pretty much everybody's gonna get the idea
of how we felt about Superman. And I just want
to say one quick thing before ask this question too.
I will say this, I feel like this film was
a big homage to Christopher Reeve and Brandon Roth Superman,
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and I felt like it was put together and it
was good to have that because like the way he
did when he changed his voice as Superman and asked
Clark when he was doing an interview with Lois, just
the little moments he had as Superman that Brandon Roth
had when he was playing them, and the Christopher Reeve
like it was very like he said, very lighthearted, right
(26:36):
and vibrant. And it's like you said, that's what we
was missing. And I'm just glad they didn't try to
like replicate a lot of stuff from those two but
it definitely paid homage to a lot of things from
that from those two films. So I go to ask this,
because we talked about Legs, we talked about Superman. What
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how did you feel about the Justice Gang? Not lead
yet it's Justice Gang. What how do you feel about it,
and do you think because I personally I think I
told you, I think James Gunn did a very good
job at handling a group of characters and not having
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them outshine the main characters, because it's almost like he
was balancing two groups, the Daily Bugle, the Justice Game,
Lex and his groups and that's three so like he
had in the whole thing with Clark and his relationships
with people, but he never made it feel like it
was too much going on at one time. Everything balanced
(27:39):
out and every thing he set up it paid off.
Like we always say when we talked, it was the
payoffs always came in the end with anything he set up.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
No, I agree, So how do I think he handled
just the Justice Gang.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Or like, so, what were your thoughts on the Justice Game?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Like, I think he did a great job with introducing them,
because I think Hot Girl was introduced really great. You
got pretty much enough to really know who she is,
not not too much, because I'm sure he's gonna have
his own or she's gonna have her own like series
or something. Game's gonna do something with that character, and
probably Guy too. But I think he handled in mister terrific.
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And I think he handled those characters great, and they
were like allies with the Superman, like they'd come in
when he needed them, or they'd handle things when he
was like fed up with or he was just dealing
with his stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
They would handle like that.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
By time, they were handling that beast outside and the
lowest were in there, and he had the scene with
the boots that was in the color and he's, oh,
they can handle that. That's just some interdimensional imp or
something like that. And so they came in when they
came in times, or they were used in times when
he needed a moment or a breath to have a
conversation or looks like the other. So they weren't, like
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I said, overshadowing. So I like their inclusion. I think
they didn't overshadow. I don't think any characters over a
shadow anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And they all got to.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Shine because Guy Gardner got his theme where he was
flicking off everybody with the middle finger and stuff and
passing of that, and the hot girls just gotta gotta
kill off on the on the corrupt politician, dude.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I'm going the loop stuff. She got her terrific, that's
a terrific, got a whole freaking battle scene.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, time to shine. What's happy about that? Because I
like that character too. I like how he like we said,
this movie is really about being a good person, having
that choice, making that choice because with him, he was
obviously doing that because for his son, but he realized
he was like this guy, look at what this guy
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is doing, what he's going through, and he's still trying
to be good. I can do the same because I
have I have stuff to fight for. But showing that
you can make that choice or you can just go
lext and just say nah, if that, I'm going all evil.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I think.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And then even cryptos scenes are great, like him and
Man doing their combo play in the air. That was
one of my favorite Man they are going off and
then uh. I like the reveal of Ultraman with honestly,
and I know it's not possible.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I know that Barrow then a whole is in its
own different thing.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
But I was like, give me Brow, make him come
back in Bizarrow or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
You think.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I would have liked that too instead of him being
like Ultraman because he said he was a clone and
I was like, it's either two clones.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Of a Superman.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
We get is the kanna of Bizarrow, and I know
they ain't gonna do Conna this early because he's younger.
So that's what I was like, I thought it was
gonna be bizarre, but I see what he's doing, what
he's playing with, so it could I think I a Bizarro.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I think honestly, the reason I think Ultraman to Bizarro
is just because Bazarrow doesn't have the He's not.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yeah, he had the power not. He definitely fit the description. Yeah,
the only thing.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
The only thing is he didn't have the freeze eyes
and stuff like that, because I think, yeah, people are
thinking what I saw online. People are thinking that he's
gonna somehow go through the black hole, go to another
Earth and then become the Justice thing and come back eventually.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And as long as I get to see man bro
so off Man, if he comes back with the.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Whole, the whole owl Man, James Gunn will be the
goat if he pulls that off.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Man, So you pull it off, like I I trust
in James gun and what he's doing. And then like
he introduced super Girl in this movie, she came in and.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
She's hilarious thing. She comes from a bitch like bitch.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
A lot. I've never heard anybody comes supermad.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
They didn't want to come because Clark was he just
took it, Like you can tell, she'd probably be like
fucking up Buff or even bothering him to the point
where it's okay, whatever, Car, I'm a bitch, Okay, just
get out. I just went through a whole thing, and
now you coming.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Here with all of this. I don't need this right.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Now right And like I say, I didn't know, I
didn't remember Car's repertoire because I used to c W.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Carr wanted the animated theories for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
When I kid I forgot Carl, Carl gets her wind
off the mud, she will breaksaw.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
She's definitely a wild card. Bro.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I saw her but piecing out Dark Side in the anime.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
BRO was like, what when she does just omeke a
beans and then that means hitt him in the back,
and he was like you can tell, he was like the.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Fuck I think she gave him like the Robin two
needs to a check.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
So I can't wait to see her film.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Very exciting, but I got to.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I was just gonna say another thing too, is because
I know we've been talking about it, but I've noticed
too that this whole film, he didn't really he didn't
go by Khalil, and you didn't hear him really mentioned
that name. And that's another thing, like James Gunn is
making it very obvious that he is Clark Kent. That's
who he is right now, and that's who he's accepting himself.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
So I was just gonna make that point because I
know we were talking about Supergirl and you see like
the dynatic, the different dynamics, and I like how they
chose they're going to run us saying that he's older,
and it's I don't think he's gonna do the whole
story about they came.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
And hers was off course, which I'm perfectly fine with.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Because it's still in reality he's older than her either way,
So it doesn't matter if it was because.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
The ship was delayed, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I hate when people get off like technical like new
because the shoot, No, we don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
We don't have to do that because she's younger than him.
Regardless of how it happens. You can make her the
younger cousin or whatever and keep and she shot off
a little after him her same time or whatever, and
you'll figure it out, you know that is. But I'm
gonna ask what character are you looking forward to sing?
(34:26):
And James Gunns like verse, like what character do you want?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
What character?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
One that Thardi announced can be like a new one.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Because she has not been done right yet and I've
been waiting to get a good version of her. I'm
honestly gonna say, Wonder Woman, oh you didn't like because hey,
you know, because he knows, he knows the answer, he'd
be a messy.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Right now, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Away, right now, you know where you are.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I don't I don't care for that portrayal wonder Woman.
The first one was the first one was a good idea,
but her portrayal, though, I don't care for it that much.
So I'm really looking forward to that because if this
is what James Gunn can give us out the gate,
I'm just wondering what he's gonna do with them Scared
(35:28):
with Diana. He's talking about Nebula is gonna be in there.
We already got a famous scared with what's creature commandos?
You know, we already know that they out there, So
I'm excited to see what route he goes is he
gonna sprinkle in a little bit of this absolute version.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Is he gonna sprinkle in a new New fifty two version,
new Frontier? What is she gonna be?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Is she gonna be one of the heroes that's been
around for the three hundred years and was fighting back
in the day they had.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
That's a version where they always go with when she
was in the Wars and she stepped back.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
So I'm excited to just see what he's gonna do
with her because we really haven't gotten that yet. Like
with Batman, it's always hit him in, Superman hit him in,
so we've gotten our good and our bad, but with her,
it's just been bad for her film. Definitely that be
one that I'm excited about because of all the other
(36:23):
characters that can come from that.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
But honestly, if I had to pick a strong second,
it would be the Teen Titans.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's fair. I think he's already announced that. I think
he's working on that, But that's Fairs gotta go off
because yeah, iteration of the Team Titan.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, And that's why I say that, I feel like
James will kill it because of the blueprint.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
That's already there from Guardian, So we know it can work.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, it's just like we're trying to visualize it to
meet you say, we had a.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Bad taste in our mouth from the last ones.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
So he gotta eat enough of that ice cream to
get rid of that the p's and carry's taste.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I don't know you already know mine, but I'm gonna say,
I want to feed James guns March and Manhunter.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I want to see that definitely.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Oh that's where I'm at. That's the first person that
came to mind mind. I was like, look, what if
you can do it the Martian man?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Are you full for the DC the animated series version?
Are you going for comic the new like iterations of him?
What do you want to see or do you just
have open like an open mind of James. I know
you've got it. I'm just gonna see what you come
up with.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I wanted to see what he comes up with, because
like we've had so many iterations, Like we've had comic book,
comic books, we had TV show Supergirl.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think that Yeah, Supergirl had a martial and it
was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I wasn't mad about it after, but he did his part,
and then we had it that Justice League movie and
the director's cut, but we don't talk about that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, I mentioned it now just because I feel like
like we had it recently in the Justice League movie,
and I'm like, yeah, we never thought again, what are
we doing?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Ah? Yes, I agree with you that.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I'm feeling like because I thought he I thought mister
Anthem was a white Martian for a long like when
I found it at first, not a white Martian.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
We already got here.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
It's like I said, I'm that's a good one. That's
definitely a good one, because we haven't really that's he's
up there with Wonder Woman.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
We haven't got like that good version.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
And we're coming out the gate hitting like so strong
with this Superman. And even when it was in the
Hall of Justice with the Mural, it seemed like all
the heroes and some of them from the Golden Age,
and then he even had some newer heroes in there.
So I was like, Okay, James, you're doing something. You're
doing something. You know, I see what you're doing, my guy.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I want also, I definitely want and this is because
I'm a big Flash fan.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I want another Flash, all right.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Look, I like the w Flash for like feeling wanting
to and grant Grant Custin.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
He did a great job.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I actually really would love for him to defeat.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
But what we left with last.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Is not great.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Man.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
So Jay, coming from the square round table, we just
want you to give us a redeemable version of the
Flash Wonder Woman and man.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah, that's all we asked. We get that, we're satisfied.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Well, So being that way, wrapping things up, what would
you give this movie?
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I got one. I got one more question after that
than wrap.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I understand. What did I say? I gave it? When
I'm talking to you, I think he.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Said and or I think he said nine. I think
he gave it a night.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, I gave it a good strong because the only
thing I would say about it is a few times
it felt like it was just a few times it
felt like some little Russian spots in there, people trying
to get to a point a little too fast.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
And I can understand, but that kind of halted it
a little bit, or heard it just a little bit. Yeah,
I wasn't too big. What's the what's lexus? Girl? The girl?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, I forget I think the engineers. I wasn't too
big not on her character. The that night thing they
did when they were apart. I didn't care for that
as much because I was just like, okay, whatever, I
guess it had to be for the plot. I didn't
care for that part of the plot. Yeah, so that's why.
(40:51):
And like I said, it was just a little, a little.
But other than that, because I even know girl who's
with Jimmy, it has she was really smart. But people
thought she was dumb because she was taking the Celtics.
But I think that was like planing out like she did.
That was definitely planning out. So give a look because
she was a big part of the reason they got Yeah,
(41:13):
I define give it a nine. It's a good starter
point for a universe, a good kickoff startup movie for
the universe. I'm very excited to see what comes after that.
So I'm definitely on board. That's a fact right there.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, I agree with you. It is a nine. And
it's just like it's for me. It's the nitpicks, like
you were, like nippicks of the painting and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
That's really the painting because the nano tech girl, I
understood what her purpose was. I understand, like I knew
she was out her weight class fighting Clark because the
only thing she.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Can lived to nan attack and what Man was like, actually,
I was like she does. I was like, all right, cool,
the real fight was with him an ultra man really
exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
But yeah, I give it a nine. But let me
ask you one follow up question.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Is this your This is your favorite Superman that you've
seen in the year They're there or.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
There were saying, we're just saying live action.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Live action, Yeah, live action.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah, definitely, definitely he Christopher Reid is still up there
because it's that that his Superman just has other stuff
time too that makes him up there. But definitely this
is my favorite version. Yeah, this is my favorite version.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, this is my favorite version. And I did Brandon's.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Version, like those are my top three Brandon, Brandon, Christopher Reed,
and now this one. And like I said, we just
have love for Henry Cavill what he did, so yeah,
he got a special place in our heart. But that's
my big three right there. That's my big three.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, and I the one thing I loved it, like
they gave us the CW. The one thing I love
about the c W. They gave the mini flaw that
it had pacing it, and they gave Brandon another shot
to put on the suit.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
In the show, he got to put on the again.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
I was like, yeah, Ingo, come Superman too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I was like, all right, all right, I respect it.
I didn't know you came in like that. I respect it.
But other than that, Superman was a fun ride. I
think everybody should go see it. I think it's a
movie that will teach not only you, but you're If
you have kids, it's a good thing for them to see.
(43:36):
It's a good representation of a superhero, and it's good
representation of someone that looked to like when we're kids,
we were like, oh hey, I look at Superman, or
I look at Batman or the Flash or any character
of a superhero as a model of how to live
my life, be kind to others. I think that's a
good thing for your kids to see, or kids in
general to see.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
And adults don't need to be reminded of this, Sue.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I'm just saying, you gotta give me movies.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
I got one more thing before you close it out, Okay,
all right. Because he went on the route of giving
him the trunks, which he explained why.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
By the way, for.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
People who don't like it, it's the whole idea of
Superman is trying to look like not cool so he
can play off as not being strong and then so
the children won't.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
Be scared of him.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
However, do you think he goes with trunks for the
Dark Knight or he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Oh, I don't think he will, honestly, because the Man
is to not bring fear or whatever, but Batman is
to bring.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
So I had a tissue.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
I had to test you to see if he was
gonna say that, because that's what I said.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I was like, everybody was afraid, Oh, is he gonna
do the trunk's Batman? And I was like, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
So, because the idea of why he did it for
Superman is not the same with Batman. Now, if he
showed like a flashback, I think we would get it
in a flashback, if it's like his first suit or something,
or we see it in the back k or something
like that. But I definitely think there's gonna be no
trunks now. I do think he might try to incorporate
(45:32):
that blue and gray somewhere in there, because it seems
like he's.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Going for those kind of colors that palette in his films.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
So I do think we might finally get that blue
suit from Batman, not that terrible one they did in.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
The Flash you thinking.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
I was like, I could that was a piece of ship.
Chance said that there's a piece of ship.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
I try to respect it because I like the blue Man.
I tried to respect it in the movie because I
like the more blue tone. But after looking at it
in the light a couple of times, I was like,
I can't, I can't, I can't give it that props.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
You know what time it is, It's time for a sham.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
If I had the little thing I make the nose,
but take it away and tell them where they can
find us.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Listen to us, check us out, let them know my brother.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
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Speaker 1 (46:42):
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Speaker 1 (47:01):
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Speaker 2 (47:17):
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Speaker 5 (47:23):
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Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, So with that being said, I've been your host, Dimitri.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
This is my co host.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
I'm walking, Moll, I'm walking along and up in the
sky as a bird. It's a plane. Know who is it?
Speaker 2 (47:44):
The Beatrice, It's Superman
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