June 14, 2025 • 35 mins
Join us as we delve into the growing trend of live-action adaptations of beloved animated films. In this episode, we discuss the impacts, issues, and audience reception of Disney and DreamWorks' live-action remakes, such as 'Lilo & Stitch' and 'How to Train Your Dragon.' We share our perspectives on why some adaptations fail to capture the magic of the originals and debate the potential future of this trend. Tune in for in-depth discussions, a few rant moments, and thoughtful suggestions on how the industry could improve its approach to these beloved stories.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
All right, welcome to another nathing Uh podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's your boy Mark and mall A.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Okay, okay, we are let's play more recent or not
even have to rEFInd appearances of like more live actions
that are like Disney and now with DreamWorks.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Look'na, I'm gonna just say he trying to be nice.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I would just say we here because of Stitch and
How to Train Your Dragon, not tecular to review those movies,
but adds the issue about live action adaptations.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
That because it's become a thing.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Thing, and it is become a thing, and it's not
Disney's first rodeo. They've been doing this for the last
what like it's almost I say decade.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And The Beast that was like twenty eighteen or something
like that, twenty six it was early.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's been a minute.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, And I think I've always been like on the
fence about Disney's live action or live action live action
or animated to live action thing since the beginning, because
like you're like, you're taking a thing that was already
animated and has a whole story out there, and most times,
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for the most part, they don't change anything.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
They don't do a different interpretation.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
They don't really change the swordsman shil, which I guess
that's the selling point, is like, hey, remember that thing
you watched when you were a kid, here's a live
action version.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, we're gonna repackage and repackage it to you and
get it right back out to you twenty years twenty
thirty years later. You like that Lelo and Stitch, here's
here's the worst version of it. Because I haven't seen
Lelo and Stitch, So what I'm taking what I'm taking
what I heard on the internet, and I'm taking reviews from.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
People, and it's not good.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I think what sold what made me not want to
go see it was the fact that took out from
characters and they started changing things with the story and
this stuff the other and then Stitch just I don't know,
it's it's something about him just off to me. I
don't like three personally, Like when I see him on
the screen, I'm just like, that's a computer generated character.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's computer generated. Again.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's the same thing with Tooth Flip. I love I'll
Train Your Drive. That's my favorite dreamwork.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Tooth just with real people.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, it's just pretty much like you took a computer
generated character because dragons spoiler aren't real. People come after
you and you didn't want computer generator, which is crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's only his that's his opinion. I ain't got nothing
to do with that. I don't want the dragon people
coming from me.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I love to is probably in my top five dragons. Okay,
like I love that series and even tho he's right,
but yeah, it tore me not to go. It really
tore me when I thought, because I was like, when
I first heard it, I was like, Oh, how did
can't dragon more of that? And then I thought was like,
we're gonna do one to one with the first one,
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and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I thought we was gonna get like a badass version
of two clist that was gonna look like something from
Game of Thrones, right. I thought it was gonna be like, oh,
like they did with the Lion King. I was like, Oh,
they're gonna give us like something.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
They're gonna make them like real, and I guess the
thing is for kids, and that's fine. It's like you
like how to Train your Dragon and you like all
these dinny things.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
You spend your money how you want to that's not
like I said, this is my opinion, But I don't
have any problem with It's not even a problem with
the cast. I think the cast is fine. Like when
I saw all the casts, even after it with people
had a problem. I had no problem, But I was
like fine, because little did people know, like being a
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Viking is an occupation, not a like racial things.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It doesn't matter. It ain't that deep. That's a little
side tangent.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But I think my problem, and I think maybe I've
already said it, but I think my problem is just
if you're gonna do these things, if you're gonna go
and do these things and take them, take something you've
already done in live action it do something different, like
you could have made a how to Train your Dragon,
let's say the next one and didn't live action or
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something like that. Continue to follow up a follow up
or an alternate and alternate with it, or even going
from the other people in the world that we like
a villain origin like they did with malef Eft, Like
when they did one of the increase the lower.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
That actually goes into what I was just going to ask.
I was, it's like a question statement. So what my
thing is with the live action. We're not seeing that overall.
Adapting stuff into live action movies is a bad thing,
because there's been some stuff that's come out shows and
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movies that have done great. Yeah, it's it's almost to
the point the writing or is it just it's just
something that just doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It's one of those things where it was done.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
In animation for a reason because realistic it doesn't click,
like it's something like Leland Stitch. It's really one of
those things that should stick to like being animated, because yeah,
it's been movies about aliens and humans, but it's that
it's the tone of it, like it's a comedy and
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it's supposed to be over the top. Like I've always
said that, like the over the top stuff should stay
in the realm of where it is in animation. The
things that they adapt in the live action, I think
that works the best is stuff that's more like reality
or more grounded, even if they haven't done good. I'll
give you example, like with animes. A lot of animes
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could be adapted in the live action because a lot
of them can work as a real life thing.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And then you have something like.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
One piece were you're taking a big risk because it's
like over the top with a lot of stuff, but
it worked because of the people behind it.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And then that's another thing.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
It's who you have in the writer's room, who's producing,
who's directing it, who has the knowledge of what it is.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And it's like.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It's becoming this thing, whereas like not everybody wants to
do it because just just of that, I say so,
I'm saying, like we.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Joined, I saw that, Yeah, you want to do a
live action.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So it's like it's like, now this is a thing,
and it's to the point where for us it's okay,
we loved it as what it was as a child,
and we don't need to see a live action. But
then you have the other side of it where it's
a whole generation that don't know about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So you can see that doing it for this generation,
excuse me.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
But at the same time, it's like, why can't y'all
just like re release this in the movies and see
how the odd the new generation react to it before
you just like they already talking about doing live action
and that movie ain't even been out twenty years, and
it's like all the younger kids I've seen Up because
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Up came at a time when it was going into
digital age or social media age. You got Disney Plus.
So it's one of the more popular movies on Disney Place.
Like most of the Pixar stuff, it's still brand new,
and it's like, why y'all trying to go to these
spaces and do this? And even with the anime, it's okay,
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certain animes that's just not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Like you see what happened with like Cowboy Bebop. That's
a big world. You see what happened when they tried
to do the dragon ball Z movie, Like certain stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It's just if you're gonna My thing is, if you're
gonna do it, don't take away from the soft material.
This is what you were saying, like with Leelo and Stitch,
don't take things out that's very vital.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, the story, Like.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
You're gonna make a dragon ball Z movie, but you
took everything that's vital to that story and you took
it away. And I think that's I think that's what
the main problem of what we have with it because
and that's why I call it fatigue, because yeah, we'll
get four good ones out of a good fifty that.
I'm not saying that's a like actual number, but just
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the example, like you just feel like, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like what does it stop? Like when does it go stop?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I know when it stops. You know you know when
it stops. We both know when it stops. I'll say
it out loud for everybody else, But it stop when
people stop going to go feeding things, like when they
can't make no more money off home because he's the thing.
They put that legal six movie live action movie out
there because they knew people like us were gonna go
out there and drove to it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Honestly did me at the time.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
When it comes to the life, when it comes to
live action and stuff like that, they're like.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Those kids.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Man, Man, you're doing it for the thirty year old
thirty thirty plus their old people who went to the
sieges when they were kids.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Man, that's why we're doing this. And it's good.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Like you do it for that community, right and you
strip it up everything that.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Getting back to the getting back to my tulip point
makes a lot of things. You think that you overanalyze
it and whatever you make it, whatever you do like
your whole little oh we're gonna change it up or whatever,
we're gonna do something different, and then you just don't
do anything really different, like you just or I'm sorry,
you do something different, but you do it in a
way that that takes away from the sauce.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Like for instance, that's Anthonel lets you go. Why and
from what I know for I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Why is Nanni leaving Hawaii to go for marine biology?
That's what the right thing about it, That's what I've
seen seen for the review is like she left Hawaii,
which had a great from what I know, has a
great obviously have a great marine life because it's an
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island somewhere that isn't like that. If you're gonna make
her leave for a reason, it makes more sense to
like the story. Sure, you guys wanted to leave, and
if it was. From what I've heard from the reviews,
I'm not gonna go see that's my thing. But from
everything I've seen, it's it's not as good as the original.
And I think that's another thing that the live actions
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fall short.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Of the original. They don't stand up to those.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You're making something that has to live up to a
good movie.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
We ain't talking about. This is not.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Okay, this is not taking Howard to Duck, a movie
that flopped terrible, and it's not like you're making a better,
newer version of that to live up to that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Of course it's gonna be better than that, because it
was a bad movie.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Every movie they're choosing are classics that did well in
the theater. You know that a lot of people see
that's very familiar with. It's a pop culture thing, so
it's automatically gonna be compared to that off rip. So
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you already put yourself in that position, which is gonna
be tough, so you can't get upset.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
With people when they do make these videos.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
They took out this and it's not like this because
you're saying that this is a live action remake of
classic Disney story. They've been putting that stamp on all
of these movies since they.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Started doing them.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
And the thing against me is they they it's like
they don't know what they want to do and they
have a formula that they can actually do. And you
said it, and I thought about it. They did it.
They just they made the move Foster movie, right, which
is a prequel to the King story. Just like you said,
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if you want to do something, make something that is
not the remake, or it has something to do with
the story or another character. Because we got that movie,
we learned about scar origin, how him and Mufossa technically
became brothers, they weren't actually like blood related. That's important
stuff that for years we thought about, Okay, what was
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their relationship? Why has it gotten to this point? But you,
even though it was live action, you gave it to us.
It got us wondering, Okay, that's what it was. Leelan
Stitch could have did the same thing. You could have
told Stitch's story or his or where he came from,
or the society like something like that. You could have
told what happened way before he got the Earth and
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that with that point that could have been live action,
but most of the characters would have been like Stitch
because it would have been the aliens and stuff. Boom,
there you go. Now we have a story whereas oh,
we can go and watch Leylon Stitch after this, and
this is why Stitch was. I think that's the solution
of the Disney problem. Now is it for the other stuff?
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I really think more so like when it comes to
like anime and even cartoons. I think they're more experimental
than it is like adaptation, because they're trying to see
if they can make it work.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Like with Scooby Doo.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Oh yeah, let's see if we can do live action
Scooby Doode. But let's try to put let's modernize it
and do it for this generation. It wasn't like, oh,
we're gonna make it the sixties, which will actually be
cool cool now that I think about it.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Scooby Doo live action depicture, those two early two thousand
live action like Scooby Doo movies are probably better than
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
What we got. It is.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Like hold up, they hold up because it it stuck
to the source material and the premise of what Scooby
Do is, but it did something different. It didn't do
a shot for shot remake of an episode from nineteen
sixty when it.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
First came out.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
It those same ideas of what those characters are, and
it did a totally new story, a different story like
for a lot of for a lot of people, that
was their Schooby dude. You know, they grew up on.
That's that what Scooby Do for them. So it's like
we you don't have to do like remake, remake, even
like you said this to me because it was my
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for me one piece, that was my one piece, because
I didn't watch the anime, but you told me. It
was like, hey, they took this out, they took this out,
but they put this and it still stays on course
with the whole idea of what one piece is. They
made it work. That's what you do if you want
to make it successful. And going back back training to Disney,
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dude like.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh, literally.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Can take and I we talked about this when we
did the actual Disney Live Action podcast. Yes we'll put
the Lincoln the description below, and yes that was a
shameless plug.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
We don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
That's what we do here. That's what we do with
the shameless plug promotional crew. But going back to the point,
you have a movie. I could give you three movies
that's always gonna come up, but three movies that Disney
has in the tank in the box that they could
let out. And all of these are Colt classics and
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very successful now with audiences.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But did not do good when they came out.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Atlantis, Treasure Island, Planet, Treasure Planet, and the Husback of Dang.
Three movies that. I guarantee you if you made them
live action, you would sell out theaters because the fans
have been asking for that. People have like redded feeds
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of like their dream cast of those movies, like it's
a thing. And it's almost like we keep getting stuff
that we don't want. We like these movies, that's what
they were. We don't need to see the story again.
If we got kids, we just shown the movie that
we watched. But for something like Treasure Allen, A lot
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of people don't know about those movies. They weren't successful
box office wise, so it's a cult. That's why it's
called a cult classic, because it's a certain demographic and group.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That loves that movie.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Is if you give this to everybody, it's almost like
it's a fresh like brand. It'll seem like it's a
brand new idea because people don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
About it exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, give us the stuff that technically flopped. Give us those,
because then you have a chance to where the comparison
can be even because it's Okay, this is something that
didn't do so well, so here it is, and here
it is. It's not like, oh, this was the greatest
movie ever. Here's the remake, don't set the bar so high,
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And that's how you that's how they shoot themself in
the foot every time they said the bar is already
set so high, and you're taking that and trying to
compare with the other thing, like it's not.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's gonna always be set up for even if.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
The movie is good, it's set up for fare before
it even hits the theater, like.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Automatic it is.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I got a question, what's up?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Do you think that they're ever going to be a
live action depiction of something animated that will either be
on equal terms arrival the animation the animated property, or
do you think animation is always going to be like
top tier and always better than the live action like
version of it?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So like you, I think it's gonna be one that's
gonna be better than.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Do you think they're ever gonna be ever like this
in general? Do you think that they're ever gonna be
like a live action it's like better or a top
tier with the animator, or do you think animation in
general is just a better one better medium and it
will always be the better medium.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I think it can be because I say it like this,
it's almost the same with comic book movies, right, Yeah,
even though a comic book doesn't move or talk, it's
it's an animated thing, but it's just through paper.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It's too d it's too d it's a too deep property.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
And when it's turned into live action, there's so many
stories that you can do whatever with it. But at
the same time, some of the changes that were made
almost made the stories better.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
For instance, I know I always bring up this character,
but hey, he.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
To go Blade literally made them change the orchard story
of the character. So, going back to what you were saying,
I think it's a possibility that it can happen. It's
just the timing of it and how they execute it,
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because the time and the time that, like the years
they choosing between these films are not that long, like
even thirty years is not a long time now, and
it's like you still don't give it time to breathe
and be classical, like things like Snow White and Cinderella
and all that. Those movies have gotten to that point
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where it's okay, it's time for the revail, and then
those are not just if we're gonna be honest, those
are not like Disney stories. Those are like public domain
fairy tale stories, so anybody can make it. So yeah,
like grim Tails, so it's almost that great area. But
when it comes to the actual Disney stories, that kind
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of came like a fresh eye different them. Even if
it's an adaptation of something or they got the idea
from somewhere, it's still like a fresh story when it
comes to those movies. Just let them be and lead
that to it be. Just let it be. I honestly
think when it's like cartoons and anime will probably always
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do better. I think those will do better because even
though it's been like he'll a miss it's almost like
the misses are like, I see why I missed.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But at the same time, you, I know, you can
attest to this.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
It's some cartoon movies that were like misses, but you
still watch the live action version because it was funny
and it was that bad. It still had that same
kind of feel to it. It just didn't work. So
it's just Disney. With Disney, they set the bar. So
how even DreamWorks these are they are known for the
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animated films. So you said it's a high bar that
you said, So that's just really the bottom line with anime,
A lot of people don't watch anime, so they don't know.
Like a lot of people don't know that Ghost and
the Shell was an anime. Some people thought that was
a whole new idea. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,
you can get away with that even if it does
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bad as a lot of people didn't know about it anyway,
we'll just throw that in the cab. And even with
like cartoon animation, I'll give you, I'll give you a
great example of cartoon animation. Transformers come completely different from
the cartoons because humans were more involved in the movies
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than they were and it was like one human in
the cartoon and that was a big change. But Michael
Obay he made it work. Now did he get carried
away a little bit after the first two movies, Yes,
But the first one was a was like a perfect
adaptation of something that was literally created because of a
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toy line, and he made it into a billion dollar movie.
So it's that's a that's an example of something the
bar is not set high. It's a toy line. So
it's hey, I can either bust or be a legend,
like it could be a bus or this could be
like legendary, which it did end up being like Turtles
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Perfect g I Joe, another toy line turned into a
cartoon then done as a movie. To the fact that
now it's gonna be done again because it didn't do
so well the first time. But stuff like that, you
can do that because the bar is not the bar
was never set high. It's not like these cartoons that
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when they meant they are in that cold classic Thundercat
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It's coke.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Excuse it's cold classic because it's something that was around
for just a decade or probably a year or something
and it just faded away. Disney, your movie is a legendary.
It's the reason you have a thing called the vault.
Like when people have a volte that means they have
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good movies. Like another movie they got that they could
put out live action. I forget the actual name of it,
but it's King Author something but no not.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
But it wasn't Black Cauldron.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But Black Cauldron could be one too, because that was
considered a flop.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
This dude, I can't remember the name of that durn
movie and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Let me tell you underrated.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I was thinking, because you were talking about live actions
that didn't do too well, I was thinking about a
live action you knew anybody have it? Brought up Speed Raiser,
Speed Raithering.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Good, Speed Racer underrated.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It is so good.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
That's underrated.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I remember I remember watching my DVD out watching that
thing because it was just really good.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, I remember that that That is another underrated one.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, and f Works don't really have anything that They're
far for animation and so like high that How to
Train Your Dragon was like the easiest one.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
They can everything else it's too out of like this
world to do.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Like, you can't do a live action straight, you can't
do a live action, you can't do a live action
putting boots.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
But it ain't gonna be that good.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Did they do Did they do Madagascar? That? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Madagascar? Yeah, I want to I'm gonna put money on that.
Yeah too, right, I want to say they did. Yeah,
let me check.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Like you said, that's just I'm just saying that to
your point, like they can't really they can't really dip
dab into live action as much as Disney came because
they got a little more fairy tale like doors.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I would say they really there.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It's the sworn stone, that's the movie.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Works did do I think, okay, cool, but yeah, Disney
pick fire. I picked fire, don't do nothing. Yeah, up
too late. But I remember seeing that, like on that
because I have a tangent a little bit. I remember
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seeing that and fitting into the group chat and I
was just like, don't do it. Like I know Harrison
Ford like checks money, he'll probably fly in and just
because you.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Got on the contract, you got to use them like that.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
So you look up in a classic you don't want
you don't want to do that, like it's such a
classic that they better never do a sequel, like it's
in its own.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Like I'm telling you now, if that movie flops, it's
gonna I'm saying that right here, right now, it's gonna
end the live action thing because people like sis because
people really hold up like they're in a special place
for a lot of people, and they don't play about
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that movie now.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So if you messed that up, they gonna come. They
coming with Disney.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Like you think the leg and stuff is bad, missed
that one up and make it?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Go bake it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Indiana Jones with a talking dog and a boy scout,
Go do that and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Man, Oh my gosh, I'm thinking, man, I think I
know the worst live action in general, because when you
said Indian jungk Is sparked Uncharted, that Niroon went to Uncharted,
and that live action is probably my least favorite. I
don't like Dragon Inoll the Evolution because of but Wors.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I went to go see it.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I hate touching that. I ain't putting no money to that.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I watched twenty minutes of that moment could it off immediately?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I remember you telling me that. I was like, hey,
you did better than me, because I already knew going in.
I was like, I'm not touching that. I saw the trailer.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I'm like, one, that's two, that's the third game there,
and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
No, it's just this.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
This is my final thing.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I'm gonna say honestly, I just think the live action
trend is getting overwhelming and at some point it has
to It really does have to stop because it gives
you too much freedom.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
To roam with stuff and do things.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Because next thing they'll be talking about making a live
action adventure time and Samurai.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Jack dun't get an idea.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I'm just saying because that's what happens, is Oh, they
did it, so let's do it here. It's honestly, I
am okay with having fan films on YouTube that I
can go watch that's twenty minutes and I don't have
to pay for it, and I can either say.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Oh it was good or bad and move on with
my life.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
But you're making stuff that's gonna be around forever because
it's in the it's movies.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Movies last forever.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
The fact that we can go watch some from a
film from the eighteen hundreds, well, it's just a train
going across the tracks tells you that movies don't go anywhere.
So this is stuff we have to live with forever.
I would say it gotta stop at some point, or
it has to slow down, because right now it feels
like it's on a steam road like every year. The
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fact that Disney came out with a whole lineup of
live action movies they're doing, it's like crazy and this
is just the locomotive is just the steam is just
is not even like slowing down, but it's crazy, like
it has to slow down at some point.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Because it slowed down until they don't make no money
if they made back, and I guarantee you that's stitching
this dream Work have the training Dragon made both them companies?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Did they rich?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Because the thing is people don't understand.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
They might say, oh, I didn't like it, but you
still went to see it so you could go talk
about why you don't like it, so they still may
make money.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Made their money because people went to go see it,
went by themselves, probably with their kids, probably went to
see it multiple times, because that's a new thing now,
is like people go see a movie like three or
four times, which is fine, like you spend your money.
But to my point is Disney raked in money based
on nostalgia for people that that are big but what's
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the word. They're Disney adults and with the determined Disney
adults and I guess Dreamwork adults at this point in time,
which there's no no shade to that like a man
anime pers and I ain't. I'm not here to cast
no stones, but I think they targeted the right audience.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
And that's my whole point is they.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Know that they put these nostalgic movies out to get
the money because they know they gotta fund all every
other project they're gonna put out that they might not
do well on it because they play animated projects out,
but they don't market them. And I threw a whole
other podcast. Honestly, I'm not trying to go on a
tangent here, but that's yeah. But let me stop it
because I'm starting to.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I will say this, I will say this, and then
I'm done, just so y'all know. They have a scapegoat,
they have a plan. It all feels. I've seen it
multiple times. They talk about, oh yeah, Disney is considering
going back to hand drawn animation.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I bet you are.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I bet you. I bet that's about that.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
You see the fate that is coming for you, So
I bet you are, I bet you are. That's all
I'm gonna say. The fact that's the thing ain't floating
up there. Lets me know that somebody at Disney knows,
oh man, this ship ain't gonna keep working, so we
might have to go back to what made us money.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But you shouldn't what you should have never lived from
in the first place.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Now, like you should.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
If you want to do live action, that's fine, do
whatever you want to do or whatever, but also put
out some put out some banger amount of animation on
top of that. You're you're Disney man. You can do
whatever you want. Honestly, people will buy it. People will
go and go see a live action and then immediately
go see an animated property.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Definite, because Disney is Disney.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yep, you gotta think, y'all you gotta do is put
out a trailer and people will come to it and say,
you gotta see.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
That instead of Disney, instead of live action. Give us
back the Disney original movies.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Give us those.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Do a theater a new Disney original theater to release
like y'all used to do when y'all have the Disney Channel,
not Disney plus.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Somebody said that now plus give us that. I'll take that,
but just stop it. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So with that being market theft, stop the live action
you heard it here first.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Stop just like that, Michael, Michael Jordany stop, just stop.
Get some help, help Disney. And when I say when
I say get some help, I means go get animators,
bring them back. That's your help.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
Okay, okay, we are let's play more recent or not
even have to rEFInd appearances of like more live actions
that are like Disney and now with DreamWorks.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Look'na, I'm gonna just say he trying to be nice.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I would just say we here because of Stitch and
How to Train Your Dragon, not tecular to review those movies,
but adds the issue about live action adaptations.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
That because it's become a thing.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Thing, and it is become a thing, and it's not
Disney's first rodeo. They've been doing this for the last
what like it's almost I say decade.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And The Beast that was like twenty eighteen or something
like that, twenty six it was early.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's been a minute.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, And I think I've always been like on the
fence about Disney's live action or live action live action
or animated to live action thing since the beginning, because
like you're like, you're taking a thing that was already
animated and has a whole story out there, and most times,
(01:45):
for the most part, they don't change anything.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
They don't do a different interpretation.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
They don't really change the swordsman shil, which I guess
that's the selling point, is like, hey, remember that thing
you watched when you were a kid, here's a live
action version.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, we're gonna repackage and repackage it to you and
get it right back out to you twenty years twenty
thirty years later. You like that Lelo and Stitch, here's
here's the worst version of it. Because I haven't seen
Lelo and Stitch, So what I'm taking what I'm taking
what I heard on the internet, and I'm taking reviews from.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
People, and it's not good.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I think what sold what made me not want to
go see it was the fact that took out from
characters and they started changing things with the story and
this stuff the other and then Stitch just I don't know,
it's it's something about him just off to me. I
don't like three personally, Like when I see him on
the screen, I'm just like, that's a computer generated character.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's computer generated. Again.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's the same thing with Tooth Flip. I love I'll
Train Your Drive. That's my favorite dreamwork.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Tooth just with real people.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, it's just pretty much like you took a computer
generated character because dragons spoiler aren't real. People come after
you and you didn't want computer generator, which is crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's only his that's his opinion. I ain't got nothing
to do with that. I don't want the dragon people
coming from me.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I love to is probably in my top five dragons. Okay,
like I love that series and even tho he's right,
but yeah, it tore me not to go. It really
tore me when I thought, because I was like, when
I first heard it, I was like, Oh, how did
can't dragon more of that? And then I thought was like,
we're gonna do one to one with the first one,
(03:45):
and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I thought we was gonna get like a badass version
of two clist that was gonna look like something from
Game of Thrones, right. I thought it was gonna be like, oh,
like they did with the Lion King. I was like, Oh,
they're gonna give us like something.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
They're gonna make them like real, and I guess the
thing is for kids, and that's fine. It's like you
like how to Train your Dragon and you like all
these dinny things.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
You spend your money how you want to that's not
like I said, this is my opinion, But I don't
have any problem with It's not even a problem with
the cast. I think the cast is fine. Like when
I saw all the casts, even after it with people
had a problem. I had no problem, But I was
like fine, because little did people know, like being a
(04:33):
Viking is an occupation, not a like racial things.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It doesn't matter. It ain't that deep. That's a little
side tangent.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But I think my problem, and I think maybe I've
already said it, but I think my problem is just
if you're gonna do these things, if you're gonna go
and do these things and take them, take something you've
already done in live action it do something different, like
you could have made a how to Train your Dragon,
let's say the next one and didn't live action or
(05:02):
something like that. Continue to follow up a follow up
or an alternate and alternate with it, or even going
from the other people in the world that we like
a villain origin like they did with malef Eft, Like
when they did one of the increase the lower.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
That actually goes into what I was just going to ask.
I was, it's like a question statement. So what my
thing is with the live action. We're not seeing that overall.
Adapting stuff into live action movies is a bad thing,
because there's been some stuff that's come out shows and
(05:41):
movies that have done great. Yeah, it's it's almost to
the point the writing or is it just it's just
something that just doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It's one of those things where it was done.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
In animation for a reason because realistic it doesn't click,
like it's something like Leland Stitch. It's really one of
those things that should stick to like being animated, because yeah,
it's been movies about aliens and humans, but it's that
it's the tone of it, like it's a comedy and
(06:14):
it's supposed to be over the top. Like I've always
said that, like the over the top stuff should stay
in the realm of where it is in animation. The
things that they adapt in the live action, I think
that works the best is stuff that's more like reality
or more grounded, even if they haven't done good. I'll
give you example, like with animes. A lot of animes
(06:38):
could be adapted in the live action because a lot
of them can work as a real life thing.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And then you have something like.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
One piece were you're taking a big risk because it's
like over the top with a lot of stuff, but
it worked because of the people behind it.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And then that's another thing.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
It's who you have in the writer's room, who's producing,
who's directing it, who has the knowledge of what it is.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And it's like.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It's becoming this thing, whereas like not everybody wants to
do it because just just of that, I say so,
I'm saying, like we.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Joined, I saw that, Yeah, you want to do a
live action.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
So it's like it's like, now this is a thing,
and it's to the point where for us it's okay,
we loved it as what it was as a child,
and we don't need to see a live action. But
then you have the other side of it where it's
a whole generation that don't know about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So you can see that doing it for this generation,
excuse me.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
But at the same time, it's like, why can't y'all
just like re release this in the movies and see
how the odd the new generation react to it before
you just like they already talking about doing live action
and that movie ain't even been out twenty years, and
it's like all the younger kids I've seen Up because
(08:01):
Up came at a time when it was going into
digital age or social media age. You got Disney Plus.
So it's one of the more popular movies on Disney Place.
Like most of the Pixar stuff, it's still brand new,
and it's like, why y'all trying to go to these
spaces and do this? And even with the anime, it's okay,
(08:22):
certain animes that's just not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Like you see what happened with like Cowboy Bebop. That's
a big world. You see what happened when they tried
to do the dragon ball Z movie, Like certain stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It's just if you're gonna My thing is, if you're
gonna do it, don't take away from the soft material.
This is what you were saying, like with Leelo and Stitch,
don't take things out that's very vital.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, the story, Like.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
You're gonna make a dragon ball Z movie, but you
took everything that's vital to that story and you took
it away. And I think that's I think that's what
the main problem of what we have with it because
and that's why I call it fatigue, because yeah, we'll
get four good ones out of a good fifty that.
I'm not saying that's a like actual number, but just
(09:09):
the example, like you just feel like, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like what does it stop? Like when does it go stop?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I know when it stops. You know you know when
it stops. We both know when it stops. I'll say
it out loud for everybody else, But it stop when
people stop going to go feeding things, like when they
can't make no more money off home because he's the thing.
They put that legal six movie live action movie out
there because they knew people like us were gonna go
out there and drove to it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Honestly did me at the time.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
When it comes to the life, when it comes to
live action and stuff like that, they're like.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Those kids.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Man, Man, you're doing it for the thirty year old
thirty thirty plus their old people who went to the
sieges when they were kids.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Man, that's why we're doing this. And it's good.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Like you do it for that community, right and you
strip it up everything that.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Getting back to the getting back to my tulip point
makes a lot of things. You think that you overanalyze
it and whatever you make it, whatever you do like
your whole little oh we're gonna change it up or whatever,
we're gonna do something different, and then you just don't
do anything really different, like you just or I'm sorry,
you do something different, but you do it in a
way that that takes away from the sauce.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Like for instance, that's Anthonel lets you go. Why and
from what I know for I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Why is Nanni leaving Hawaii to go for marine biology?
That's what the right thing about it, That's what I've
seen seen for the review is like she left Hawaii,
which had a great from what I know, has a
great obviously have a great marine life because it's an
(10:50):
island somewhere that isn't like that. If you're gonna make
her leave for a reason, it makes more sense to
like the story. Sure, you guys wanted to leave, and
if it was. From what I've heard from the reviews,
I'm not gonna go see that's my thing. But from
everything I've seen, it's it's not as good as the original.
And I think that's another thing that the live actions
(11:13):
fall short.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Of the original. They don't stand up to those.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You're making something that has to live up to a
good movie.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
We ain't talking about. This is not.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Okay, this is not taking Howard to Duck, a movie
that flopped terrible, and it's not like you're making a better,
newer version of that to live up to that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Of course it's gonna be better than that, because it
was a bad movie.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Every movie they're choosing are classics that did well in
the theater. You know that a lot of people see
that's very familiar with. It's a pop culture thing, so
it's automatically gonna be compared to that off rip. So
(12:02):
you already put yourself in that position, which is gonna
be tough, so you can't get upset.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
With people when they do make these videos.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
They took out this and it's not like this because
you're saying that this is a live action remake of
classic Disney story. They've been putting that stamp on all
of these movies since they.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Started doing them.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
And the thing against me is they they it's like
they don't know what they want to do and they
have a formula that they can actually do. And you
said it, and I thought about it. They did it.
They just they made the move Foster movie, right, which
is a prequel to the King story. Just like you said,
(12:47):
if you want to do something, make something that is
not the remake, or it has something to do with
the story or another character. Because we got that movie,
we learned about scar origin, how him and Mufossa technically
became brothers, they weren't actually like blood related. That's important
stuff that for years we thought about, Okay, what was
(13:10):
their relationship? Why has it gotten to this point? But you,
even though it was live action, you gave it to us.
It got us wondering, Okay, that's what it was. Leelan
Stitch could have did the same thing. You could have
told Stitch's story or his or where he came from,
or the society like something like that. You could have
told what happened way before he got the Earth and
(13:33):
that with that point that could have been live action,
but most of the characters would have been like Stitch
because it would have been the aliens and stuff. Boom,
there you go. Now we have a story whereas oh,
we can go and watch Leylon Stitch after this, and
this is why Stitch was. I think that's the solution
of the Disney problem. Now is it for the other stuff?
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I really think more so like when it comes to
like anime and even cartoons. I think they're more experimental
than it is like adaptation, because they're trying to see
if they can make it work.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Like with Scooby Doo.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Oh yeah, let's see if we can do live action
Scooby Doode. But let's try to put let's modernize it
and do it for this generation. It wasn't like, oh,
we're gonna make it the sixties, which will actually be
cool cool now that I think about it.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Scooby Doo live action depicture, those two early two thousand
live action like Scooby Doo movies are probably better than
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
What we got. It is.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Like hold up, they hold up because it it stuck
to the source material and the premise of what Scooby
Do is, but it did something different. It didn't do
a shot for shot remake of an episode from nineteen
sixty when it.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
First came out.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
It those same ideas of what those characters are, and
it did a totally new story, a different story like
for a lot of for a lot of people, that
was their Schooby dude. You know, they grew up on.
That's that what Scooby Do for them. So it's like
we you don't have to do like remake, remake, even
like you said this to me because it was my
(15:22):
for me one piece, that was my one piece, because
I didn't watch the anime, but you told me. It
was like, hey, they took this out, they took this out,
but they put this and it still stays on course
with the whole idea of what one piece is. They
made it work. That's what you do if you want
to make it successful. And going back back training to Disney,
(15:44):
dude like.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh, literally.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Can take and I we talked about this when we
did the actual Disney Live Action podcast. Yes we'll put
the Lincoln the description below, and yes that was a
shameless plug.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
We don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
That's what we do here. That's what we do with
the shameless plug promotional crew. But going back to the point,
you have a movie. I could give you three movies
that's always gonna come up, but three movies that Disney
has in the tank in the box that they could
let out. And all of these are Colt classics and
(16:24):
very successful now with audiences.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But did not do good when they came out.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Atlantis, Treasure Island, Planet, Treasure Planet, and the Husback of Dang.
Three movies that. I guarantee you if you made them
live action, you would sell out theaters because the fans
have been asking for that. People have like redded feeds
(16:54):
of like their dream cast of those movies, like it's
a thing. And it's almost like we keep getting stuff
that we don't want. We like these movies, that's what
they were. We don't need to see the story again.
If we got kids, we just shown the movie that
we watched. But for something like Treasure Allen, A lot
(17:17):
of people don't know about those movies. They weren't successful
box office wise, so it's a cult. That's why it's
called a cult classic, because it's a certain demographic and group.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That loves that movie.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Is if you give this to everybody, it's almost like
it's a fresh like brand. It'll seem like it's a
brand new idea because people don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
About it exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, give us the stuff that technically flopped. Give us those,
because then you have a chance to where the comparison
can be even because it's Okay, this is something that
didn't do so well, so here it is, and here
it is. It's not like, oh, this was the greatest
movie ever. Here's the remake, don't set the bar so high,
(18:05):
And that's how you that's how they shoot themself in
the foot every time they said the bar is already
set so high, and you're taking that and trying to
compare with the other thing, like it's not.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's gonna always be set up for even if.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
The movie is good, it's set up for fare before
it even hits the theater, like.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Automatic it is.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I got a question, what's up?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Do you think that they're ever going to be a
live action depiction of something animated that will either be
on equal terms arrival the animation the animated property, or
do you think animation is always going to be like
top tier and always better than the live action like
version of it?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So like you, I think it's gonna be one that's
gonna be better than.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Do you think they're ever gonna be ever like this
in general? Do you think that they're ever gonna be
like a live action it's like better or a top
tier with the animator, or do you think animation in
general is just a better one better medium and it
will always be the better medium.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I think it can be because I say it like this,
it's almost the same with comic book movies, right, Yeah,
even though a comic book doesn't move or talk, it's
it's an animated thing, but it's just through paper.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It's too d it's too d it's a too deep property.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
And when it's turned into live action, there's so many
stories that you can do whatever with it. But at
the same time, some of the changes that were made
almost made the stories better.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
For instance, I know I always bring up this character,
but hey, he.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
To go Blade literally made them change the orchard story
of the character. So, going back to what you were saying,
I think it's a possibility that it can happen. It's
just the timing of it and how they execute it,
(20:11):
because the time and the time that, like the years
they choosing between these films are not that long, like
even thirty years is not a long time now, and
it's like you still don't give it time to breathe
and be classical, like things like Snow White and Cinderella
and all that. Those movies have gotten to that point
(20:35):
where it's okay, it's time for the revail, and then
those are not just if we're gonna be honest, those
are not like Disney stories. Those are like public domain
fairy tale stories, so anybody can make it. So yeah,
like grim Tails, so it's almost that great area. But
when it comes to the actual Disney stories, that kind
(20:56):
of came like a fresh eye different them. Even if
it's an adaptation of something or they got the idea
from somewhere, it's still like a fresh story when it
comes to those movies. Just let them be and lead
that to it be. Just let it be. I honestly
think when it's like cartoons and anime will probably always
(21:21):
do better. I think those will do better because even
though it's been like he'll a miss it's almost like
the misses are like, I see why I missed.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But at the same time, you, I know, you can
attest to this.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
It's some cartoon movies that were like misses, but you
still watch the live action version because it was funny
and it was that bad. It still had that same
kind of feel to it. It just didn't work. So
it's just Disney. With Disney, they set the bar. So
how even DreamWorks these are they are known for the
(21:58):
animated films. So you said it's a high bar that
you said, So that's just really the bottom line with anime,
A lot of people don't watch anime, so they don't know.
Like a lot of people don't know that Ghost and
the Shell was an anime. Some people thought that was
a whole new idea. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,
you can get away with that even if it does
(22:20):
bad as a lot of people didn't know about it anyway,
we'll just throw that in the cab. And even with
like cartoon animation, I'll give you, I'll give you a
great example of cartoon animation. Transformers come completely different from
the cartoons because humans were more involved in the movies
(22:42):
than they were and it was like one human in
the cartoon and that was a big change. But Michael
Obay he made it work. Now did he get carried
away a little bit after the first two movies, Yes,
But the first one was a was like a perfect
adaptation of something that was literally created because of a
(23:06):
toy line, and he made it into a billion dollar movie.
So it's that's a that's an example of something the
bar is not set high. It's a toy line. So
it's hey, I can either bust or be a legend,
like it could be a bus or this could be
like legendary, which it did end up being like Turtles
(23:27):
Perfect g I Joe, another toy line turned into a
cartoon then done as a movie. To the fact that
now it's gonna be done again because it didn't do
so well the first time. But stuff like that, you
can do that because the bar is not the bar
was never set high. It's not like these cartoons that
(23:48):
when they meant they are in that cold classic Thundercat
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It's coke.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Excuse it's cold classic because it's something that was around
for just a decade or probably a year or something
and it just faded away. Disney, your movie is a legendary.
It's the reason you have a thing called the vault.
Like when people have a volte that means they have
(24:14):
good movies. Like another movie they got that they could
put out live action. I forget the actual name of it,
but it's King Author something but no not.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
But it wasn't Black Cauldron.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But Black Cauldron could be one too, because that was
considered a flop.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
This dude, I can't remember the name of that durn
movie and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Let me tell you underrated.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I was thinking, because you were talking about live actions
that didn't do too well, I was thinking about a
live action you knew anybody have it? Brought up Speed Raiser,
Speed Raithering.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Good, Speed Racer underrated.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It is so good.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
That's underrated.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I remember I remember watching my DVD out watching that
thing because it was just really good.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, I remember that that That is another underrated one.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, and f Works don't really have anything that They're
far for animation and so like high that How to
Train Your Dragon was like the easiest one.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
They can everything else it's too out of like this
world to do.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Like, you can't do a live action straight, you can't
do a live action, you can't do a live action
putting boots.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
But it ain't gonna be that good.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Did they do Did they do Madagascar? That? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Madagascar? Yeah, I want to I'm gonna put money on that.
Yeah too, right, I want to say they did. Yeah,
let me check.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Like you said, that's just I'm just saying that to
your point, like they can't really they can't really dip
dab into live action as much as Disney came because
they got a little more fairy tale like doors.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I would say they really there.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It's the sworn stone, that's the movie.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Works did do I think, okay, cool, but yeah, Disney
pick fire. I picked fire, don't do nothing. Yeah, up
too late. But I remember seeing that, like on that
because I have a tangent a little bit. I remember
(26:30):
seeing that and fitting into the group chat and I
was just like, don't do it. Like I know Harrison
Ford like checks money, he'll probably fly in and just
because you.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Got on the contract, you got to use them like that.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
So you look up in a classic you don't want
you don't want to do that, like it's such a
classic that they better never do a sequel, like it's
in its own.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Like I'm telling you now, if that movie flops, it's
gonna I'm saying that right here, right now, it's gonna
end the live action thing because people like sis because
people really hold up like they're in a special place
for a lot of people, and they don't play about
(27:18):
that movie now.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So if you messed that up, they gonna come. They
coming with Disney.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Like you think the leg and stuff is bad, missed
that one up and make it?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Go bake it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Indiana Jones with a talking dog and a boy scout,
Go do that and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Man, Oh my gosh, I'm thinking, man, I think I
know the worst live action in general, because when you
said Indian jungk Is sparked Uncharted, that Niroon went to Uncharted,
and that live action is probably my least favorite. I
don't like Dragon Inoll the Evolution because of but Wors.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I went to go see it.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I hate touching that. I ain't putting no money to that.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I watched twenty minutes of that moment could it off immediately?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I remember you telling me that. I was like, hey,
you did better than me, because I already knew going in.
I was like, I'm not touching that. I saw the trailer.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I'm like, one, that's two, that's the third game there,
and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
No, it's just this.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
This is my final thing.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I'm gonna say honestly, I just think the live action
trend is getting overwhelming and at some point it has
to It really does have to stop because it gives
you too much freedom.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
To roam with stuff and do things.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Because next thing they'll be talking about making a live
action adventure time and Samurai.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Jack dun't get an idea.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I'm just saying because that's what happens, is Oh, they
did it, so let's do it here. It's honestly, I
am okay with having fan films on YouTube that I
can go watch that's twenty minutes and I don't have
to pay for it, and I can either say.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Oh it was good or bad and move on with
my life.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
But you're making stuff that's gonna be around forever because
it's in the it's movies.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Movies last forever.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
The fact that we can go watch some from a
film from the eighteen hundreds, well, it's just a train
going across the tracks tells you that movies don't go anywhere.
So this is stuff we have to live with forever.
I would say it gotta stop at some point, or
it has to slow down, because right now it feels
like it's on a steam road like every year. The
(29:45):
fact that Disney came out with a whole lineup of
live action movies they're doing, it's like crazy and this
is just the locomotive is just the steam is just
is not even like slowing down, but it's crazy, like
it has to slow down at some point.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Because it slowed down until they don't make no money
if they made back, and I guarantee you that's stitching
this dream Work have the training Dragon made both them companies?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Did they rich?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Because the thing is people don't understand.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
They might say, oh, I didn't like it, but you
still went to see it so you could go talk
about why you don't like it, so they still may
make money.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Made their money because people went to go see it,
went by themselves, probably with their kids, probably went to
see it multiple times, because that's a new thing now,
is like people go see a movie like three or
four times, which is fine, like you spend your money.
But to my point is Disney raked in money based
on nostalgia for people that that are big but what's
(30:47):
the word. They're Disney adults and with the determined Disney
adults and I guess Dreamwork adults at this point in time,
which there's no no shade to that like a man
anime pers and I ain't. I'm not here to cast
no stones, but I think they targeted the right audience.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
And that's my whole point is they.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Know that they put these nostalgic movies out to get
the money because they know they gotta fund all every
other project they're gonna put out that they might not
do well on it because they play animated projects out,
but they don't market them. And I threw a whole
other podcast. Honestly, I'm not trying to go on a
tangent here, but that's yeah. But let me stop it
because I'm starting to.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I will say this, I will say this, and then
I'm done, just so y'all know. They have a scapegoat,
they have a plan. It all feels. I've seen it
multiple times. They talk about, oh yeah, Disney is considering
going back to hand drawn animation.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I bet you are.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I bet you. I bet that's about that.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
You see the fate that is coming for you, So
I bet you are, I bet you are. That's all
I'm gonna say. The fact that's the thing ain't floating
up there. Lets me know that somebody at Disney knows,
oh man, this ship ain't gonna keep working, so we
might have to go back to what made us money.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But you shouldn't what you should have never lived from
in the first place.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Now, like you should.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
If you want to do live action, that's fine, do
whatever you want to do or whatever, but also put
out some put out some banger amount of animation on
top of that. You're you're Disney man. You can do
whatever you want. Honestly, people will buy it. People will
go and go see a live action and then immediately
go see an animated property.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Definite, because Disney is Disney.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yep, you gotta think, y'all you gotta do is put
out a trailer and people will come to it and say,
you gotta see.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
That instead of Disney, instead of live action. Give us
back the Disney original movies.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Give us those.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Do a theater a new Disney original theater to release
like y'all used to do when y'all have the Disney Channel,
not Disney plus.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Somebody said that now plus give us that. I'll take that,
but just stop it. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So with that being market theft, stop the live action
you heard it here first.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Stop just like that, Michael, Michael Jordany stop, just stop.
Get some help, help Disney. And when I say when
I say get some help, I means go get animators,
bring them back. That's your help.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
But go ahead, and that pf A note you have
anything else further to add, because I'm good. I've had everything.
I fed my piece all over this podcast. All right, cool?
So you know what time it.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Is, it is time for a story a long time
ago from two young fellows on a journey to the greatest.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Podcast of all time.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
But the only way they can get that it's a
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Speaker 2 (34:05):
Promotional.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
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