May 11, 2025 • 36 mins
Join Us as they debate which Spider-Man portrayal is superior: Friendly Neighborhood or MCU.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
He always Yeah, he's always here, even in spirit. Sometimes
he come by. But today is gonna be a special podcast.
We're gonna talk about, as you can see from the banner,
we're gonna be talking about the comparison between if sheth
spider Man and your friendly neighborhood spider Man, the most
recent spider Man, and which one did it better. We
already know you guys know which one did it better
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if you've been paying attention to the shows. But we're
gonna help you.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Out mark paying attention and not hate.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right exactly, Let's talk about it. Listen the whole nother podcast, right.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, we did, by the way we did.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
We did. If you want to know about you want
to know about the best live action spy by spider Man,
we did a podcast about that is really great. You'd
be pretty surprised that we shose, honestly, it would be.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It was.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It was a nail bier, really, honestly, it was some
good and Tom came in there and he did some weight.
He did a little bit of waiting there. Tom has
grown on me the definitely so Spider Man for looking
forward to it rather of right now. But that's another podcast.
You can check that podcast if you want to see
our thoughts on that good little pluggy plug right there.
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But with that being said, I think the thing about
their friendly neighborhood Spider Man that works better than the
NFU is just said. They didn't really heavily go into
the They had a mentor, but they had his villain
be his mentor, which was an interest seen twist on
the already establishing an mp of having a father figure
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for the uncle will Row. But it worked and executed
better in the theory than it did in.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, I think honestly, just even as simple as this
good writing and storytelling, it went back to the roots
of the comic and just really flushing out Peter as
his own person and having to balance this life of
being a teenager, being immature, naive, very influential.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's not just Avenger who's he's looking up to.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He's looking up the money he got his friend Nico. Nico,
then Harry comes into the picture and Norman, and then
on top of that, you do have the Vengures in
this universe. And it's crazy because this show is literally
the opposite of the MCU with Tom's and they just
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switched things around and unfortunate because it's like they got
it right this time. Yeah, if they would have did
it like this the first time, then it would have worked.
Because we me and Demetrius always say we weren't the
biggest fans with the whole Tony Stark as the mentor.
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We felt like it should have been somebody a little
bit more personal, and we was okay with the suit
being all high tech, but it was like it's Tony Stark,
of course he's gonna give him like a great suit
off real and even in this series with Norman, like
he had to tech and gave him like different suits.
He had the options. And at the end of the day,
I thought it was cool that Harry was the one.
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Was like, nah, man, I saw what you had in
your book and your sketch pad.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
This is you, Like, this is what you And that's
just going back to my first point.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
The showing the relationships, how they work, how they entertwined,
even how they were finding out he was Spider Man.
But it wasn't just like it was over the mistakes
that he would really probably make, like changing in front
of the camera and hairytailer Nico, like it's stuff like
that that probably would really happen in reality.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, it's hard to say.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I would say, it's hard to say comparison which is better,
and you can almost say not even if it's Roach,
that's the new one. Oh yeah, that's the new one. Right, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Here getting down break everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah. But but yeah, it's almost like.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It's almost like this is an improvement to let us
see what the possibility of a good Spider Man story.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And also my dog who wrote Craig and Creak.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I always forget his name, but he wrote and he
came up with the Craig of the Creek show. So
when I heard it was him, I was like, I
ain't even worry because that dude know how to tell
some stories.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
He does. Yeah, I agree, and to what I talking
about the suit aspect, because you did bring up a
great point when Tony he gave him a suit that
he thought he would need for being an Avenger. He
didn't give him the chance to really like make or
find his own suit. He was like, that's what you
give you. Parachutes, kill mode, all these things that have
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the backing advice is all these things that you know,
and they seemed like they seemed like they were there
were Spider Man suits because it was yeah, the Spider
Man when it had all the web, but it seemed
like Tony Stark was the one that was really the
person in designing him and not really Peter until the
last movie or the No Way Home, Yeah, not No
(05:52):
Way Home, far from Home when he made suit, when
he made his own suit and it had the black tints,
which that was probably besides his end gate in the
last ten second or ten minutes shoot when he had
that blue, that light like shiny blue, that was the
best suit for me. Like all the other suits, I
just wasn't that big of a fan of. But I
like that Norman was like giving him all these different
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options to choose though he could figure out what he
wanted to be. And then I love that in this
in the Friendly Neighbor Spider Man, someone no one's telling
him exactly that with great power from great responsority line.
He's learning that through his own journey. Yeah, so removing
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Uncle Ben is in this situation is great because or
sorry spoilers.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, he's there. You just don't.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
We don't have to see the origin like which exactly
I was perfectly.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
But at least we know he existed.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We physically seeing something that that was proof. Okay uncle
Ben was that exactly something happened, but it wasn't how
he got his powers, which is the way he got
his But before we get into that, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, but like if it's spoiler alert, uncle Ben is
technically in the universe and he's technically around, I think
I want to say no, I think that's no. Sorry,
that's his dad. Keep keep forgetting that's just his dad. Yeah, yeah,
yeah the end, I always like, I always jumped to that,
but scratch that. It's his dad. For the record, don't
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come at me in the comments, okay, don't. But I
like that in this universe they removed Uncle Ben. This
his line, and it let Peter determine that on its own,
which is a way better way of handling it than
having it being thrown at at the end of the
third movie, which I always thought was this clunky just
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to get the line out.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It isn't the fact that it's top may or whatever.
It's the fact that how clunky it was just thrown
out there where they they heard the fans were were
wanting it, and they were like, we need to drop
this line. Let's make it happen. So I didn't really
like that effect. So I love the bigger dynamic or
the newer dynamic of it and how characters interact in
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this universe and are not characters.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Everybody has a purpose in this show.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Their stories connect with either another character a personal journey,
like I love Line's story.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, because we all know that Lining is too like
I do that.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Coming into the show and it was like, man, how
are they gonna turn this good kid into a villain?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Even in the end he's he really does not become
a villain yet, but you start to see like the
delayers pill just being peeled very slowly, because I think
what's gonna happen with him is he's gonna really be
trying to look out more people, but it's not gonna
be the right way. There's most villains who like that line, dude,
(09:01):
And then like in the Spider Man game, Tombstone kind
of was the same way, like him and and Peter
had a relationship and then like he went he went
straight and tried to go on the right path and
stuff and ended up helping them on some missions and stuff.
So it's like Tombstone is one of those characters that
kind of walks that line. Yeah, what us is interesting
(09:23):
real quick is Tom got three movies, right, three movies,
three solo movies, two what three Avenger movies basically because
he was at End Games and Infinity War and then
he was in Civil War.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So that's what that's.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Six movies, three appearances.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, we'll give and the fact that one season so
far has covered everything that they took three movies to get.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's where the problem is for us.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It ain't it's not that it's not that we don't
like Tom Spider Man, because Tom played the hell out
of Peter.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He brought it to the table.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
But the story they gave and how fast they rushed
him into these big, bigger problems in this show. We
literally see Peter in New York and in his neighborhood
doing stuff. Even the villains and stuff. Iron Man comes
into rest what six episode or something like, you know
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that all there, but it's really focused on Peter. And
I always was an advocate saying Homecoming should have really
it was grounded, and they.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Could have they should have kept it there with the
next movie.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But because they threw him on the Adventures movies and
all that, he just got this big album. Yeah, and
at the end of the day, like he's technically like,
what sixteen seventeen, So it's a teenager because most of
the times in the comments when Peter started doing the
Venger stuff, he's well into college.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's established at that point in time. Exactly,
He's not just starting his career like two years ago
or something like that. And I think I like that.
The one thing I had another thing that had a
problem with info You Spider Man is or Tom spider
Man is. His villains weren't his villains. They were Tony
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Stark inspired villains. But in the Freely Spider Man all
his all of his villains, all of them.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Were affected by Tony and something he did some way.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Vulture was from the Guitar Invasion, you know, with the
women they shut down what he worked for the stereo
work that Start Industries.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
What was the last one? Oh, the last one. They
pulled villains from other universes, so it wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It wasn't even his villains. Yeah, they were Spider Man villains,
they just weren't his Spider Man villain.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And then on top of that, still, what did they
use to enhance their stuff?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Start?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So and I guess that's their answer in the NF
you for like any tech that isn't like space sac Oh,
it's Tony stuff, which you know you established, it's your
universe around Tony. Of course you're gonna use the tech
to explain anything, but it makes sense. I just wish
that we got the same of the treatment that we
get in their friendly Neighborhood Spider Man that we got
in the Empty in Spider Man with his villains. Had
(12:29):
a beef with him, like Scorpion had a beef with
literally Peter because he kept he kept nothing with his stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, he kept interrupting him.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
And then I even like how because Norman said that
great with great podcasts, great respect, respect, respect, and I
was like, WHOA, that's the wrong thing to tell exactly
because I know you tell me that I'm gonna be
like I could go out here and whoop some masks
and then respect me.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And that's exact Peter what he an't doing. He got to.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
The point where he was about off score being and
he realized when London stup there, he was like, man,
I can't. That's when it clicked, the responsibility part, and
like you said, back to your point, that's what gave
that show, like that balance of Okay, we don't have
Uncle Ben saying that famous line, but like the way
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Stanley always wrote it, it's a part of Spider Man
and that's what wakes him up to realize he has
to be a hero and has to be responsible with it.
So I thought it was cool how they did that,
and just like how they tie in all these characters
and they set up so much stuff and then we know,
now we can go in Stacey next season.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So I'm like, bro, I'm like, I really.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Feel like this is how Tom's universe man, And I
hate so bad that he didn't get this set up
because now he's at the point where he's in his
like Toby Toby's though he's going.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
To college, he's trying to pay.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
The bills kind of balance it out. I'm just hoping
now they do it right. And I'm hoping, like even
with their devil out, now that we get some of
him at their devil.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Can't get him in there though. You know why they're
reported that they can't put Spider Man in TV shows.
We ain't gonna We only mentioned we're gonna get it
to the foe. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna spoil it anymore,
but more than I'm about to say now. But what
if mentioned Spider Man. That's all you're getting. That's what
you're getting.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And it's so crazy because they literally have so many
interactions in the comics bro like they're in the same
freaking state, like just a few miles apart from each other.
It's like, how would they not running? And if I
get it, it's a rated it's a mature show.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You don't want to show up, but he.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Can show up, even if it's like them beat him
for coffee or something like don't tell each other now, Yeah,
you don't have to because he's going to have to
cross paths with the partnership because he does that a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Commons and stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So the thing is, I think I like about the
two shows is two squints. Tom had a crash out
moment in No Way Home and this Peter had a
crash out of it in the first season. They both
were about the right.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I'm talking about in the same way, like this exactly just.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And they both were stopped by people that was like closing.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That was caring about them, that actually cared about their
brand and cared about who they how what they represented.
Ronnie was like, hey, you're better than this. You don't
want to lose them, blew them all the good you're
doing from them seeing you do this, and then Toby
was like, listen, I've been down that road. I had venom.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You don't want you don't want to, you don't want
to be bully McGuire, Okay, you don't want to.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Hey, well we posted we gotta cut that clip and
they hit they have them like down here, I'm gonna
try to cook that up because he gotta throw it
in there.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
My second point is that I loved both there that
were interactions and when he caught the break, I was
like that. And then when he showed up at the
person that let him know that Norman wasn't ship.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, and then he was like it was so cool.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
The jokes that they did was like the perfect like
jokes because Matt was He's like, he's like, how can
you see that? He was like, no, not really like
Matt was like he basically was finna say, like, dude,
I'm blind, I can't but he was. And I liked
how Matt like he can play on this line where
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he can beat you up enough but not hurt you
because say, hey, kid, I'm trying to do a job.
I don't want to hurt you, but you need to
realize what you're getting yourself into. It was a good
little fight. It was like a teaching moment for Peter.
Hey this dude really good roof you up. And he's
just trying to be nice.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
He just trying to He trying to be nice and
get his job done. When I heard a kid, because
you got.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You see did you see at the end that girl
was working with him?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Who was at the school? I looked up.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I had looked up a lot of the characters that
I've never heard of, and she's like a super like
vigilanting and she's so she's working with Matt. So I
was like, now you know, we got Alma Day's show,
so yeah, we might get a hold. Then doctor Conners
is an African American woman, so that's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Thattha be an interesting to especially with how close their relationship.
And I'm glad that they set up that relationship in
the city this shell early. And it's gonna be crazy
how how norm is gonna turn because like I was
waiting for that, like we got the Glider, but I
was waiting for a little little peak.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I waited to see a little soup or something.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I like how they like dragging it out a little bit,
and it's and I really think it's gonna hurt I
think it's gonna hurt Harry more than it does.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Peter, Oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So I'm really excited to see how they gonna that's
another thing we getting. We're getting ap Peter and a
Harry relationship, like an updated like what we thought we
was gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Get with Tom.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But the whole thing with Sony and the characters, we
understand that. But I just thought for sure that second
film we was gonna get hairy when they win.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Now that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Now that I really think that this show will help them,
will guide them to do certain things, like you said,
like now that he's gonna be in college, he can
meet Harry in college, because it's clear now that we
can have a storyline with him and Harry haven't known
each other since they were kids exactly, and they build
a friendship.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I have a lot of like faith in this next
Spider Man because I really feel like Tom wants to
give people like that memorable Spider Man that's no sticks.
He can have that conversation with like we said when
we did our podcast, he could be in the conversation
with Andrew Toby, and he's going to get something that
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neither one of them got to complete his you know,
his story and have all those films, because he has
three and this will be the fault. So Toby got
the three, he didn't get his four. Andrew didn't get
three or four. So it's you know this last one
or if it is, that's right, it's five and six.
So like he really this is his chance.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
To really.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, give it that weight, like yeah, and now I
got that. Now he got the great power with respect,
because that's what I feel he's missing, the respect part,
not as far as like Spider Man, but like people respecting,
like how is that characters portrayed?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
This would be Tom's moment shot and we love you Tom.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, the people who are over your writing and you're
directing and don't love you like that. And the thing is,
I know he's going to be better. I know he's
going to be in Secret Wars, and I hope that
they don't. I love to see I love to see Andrew,
and I love to see Toby, but little it's like
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Tom shine, all right, he needs to shine.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
The black suit got yeah, you know, let him have it.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I don't care. I don't care if it's just what
he made. He needs a black suit, he.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Needs he needs an official black because that thing is
no way home. I'm not counting.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
All he did was like flip it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Put it inside out. But the thing is being that
they're going to go into with with our least favorite
directive decision of having RDIJ no shot, no shade r
dy J, but the direction of him playing doom. You
know what they're doing this for? You know what that
you know you know what they.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
See him and it'd be like that shock value moment
and he's no mister Stark and he's going to be
like who you play because.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
But every single time in every movie that he has
a father figure whatever like that, he had that moment
where he's, oh, my word, when it was with Mysterio
or with the thing volture in the car, he had
that moment where he was like, oh fuck, I'm fucked,
or with Mysterio, I messed up. So now he's gonna
have that moment where he's gonna probably trust him at
first and then get duked, because that's just it just
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seemed like this. It happened twice.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It's at this point you gotta stop following. For Peter,
I was just gonna say for me, for the r
DJ to really work, and I'm emphasizing real work because
I ain't on board, but to really hit with me,
he gotta go all the way. He gotta almost be
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like to the point where I'm getting like Blair Underwood
vibe from that from what was it but DIA's Family Reunion.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, I don't like him at all.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I want to like r DJ For a few months
after I watched this because because it's like.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
We talk about done.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
This ain't a villain who's forgiven and just he's gonna
play it nice.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He's finna wreck some ship.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, and I'm talking about like when he see Peter
and Peter trying to walk up to him, Like I'm
talking about grabbing like this, like it gotta it really
gotta like that energy gotta really feed off. Yeah, we
all know, like how RDJ portrayed Tony. We gotta really
separate the two because if you don't, it's really gonna
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bleed in together and it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Like, that's just Tony star as.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I don't even want it to be a suit that
looks like an Iron Man suit but it's silver. I
needed to just be completely separated from anything with Tony start,
no references at all, So they gotta really pull it
off man.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Image. It does look like he's But my thing is
being the rumors are I'm gonna say speculation before I
say these things, because people are gonna be like, that's
just the fan theory, speculation based on the Internet. If
I'm wrong, sorry, don't come exactly, don't come at me.
But they said that he sposed to be a one
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off kind of villain, so which is perfect, But like
you gotta decide the better it don't tell me anything.
Don't tell me that one off film before I get
in defee.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This movie, yeah, because I would rather not know.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So when I see it, I'm like, Okay, that's good exactly,
That's what I was looking for, because honestly, I think
I know we're getting out of Spider Man. I really think,
matter of fact, this is a Spider Man thing. I
really have some kind of feeling like in Fantastic for
we're going to see like a version of Spider Man
in that world, and I think it's gonna be a
doom and it's not gonna be Tony RDJ.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I think it's gonna be a.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Doom from that world and he's gonna like nik into
another universe with and that's who's going to be the.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
One that's actually gonna be there. So somewhere they're setting
it up. Okay what happened.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I might be wrong, but that's just my theory. So
I just want to see a nineteen sixties Spider Man. Oh,
that would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I would love to see him be like a standing
member of the Fantastic for that foundation.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Feud on.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I just give you a taste of it, that's all
I need. That the taste the taste of it because
the Neighbor Spider Man got me looking at those alternate
versions of different versions where he had the fit with
the wingbarn, which is another version of him from Adultnate
or whatever. I think it's alternate or either a clone
of him or something like that. They're all like note
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of those things.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So I got a I got one more, like really
big question, do you think since we get another season
like and it might be like more seasons, do you
you think we'll get the clone saga in the story
because all that quick, all this taking stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I just want to see Ben Roley.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Just one time, for the one time one time. I
do too.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I want to just be want to just be a
two part of They don't have to be like a
big storyline, just episode.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
With one or two or more if you do it right,
if you do it right, I'll take more. But I
need to see him in the classic ninety feet with
the hoodie and they or or if you're gonna do it,
they're redesigned inspired by that, and I'll be fine about it.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I'll be perfectly fine.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh and do you think Mary Jane should stay out
of this show? Or should she come later on like
she normally does, like she's supposed to, because a lot
of people don't know Mary Jane was not like there.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah, she came after a while because the big
thing that happened with gwyn Stacey's death with what like
ended that thing with Peter, and then Mary Jane came
in after that. But I would, honestly, and I know
Spider Man fan are gonna give me a lot of
in the college. I'm sick and tired of seeing Mary
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Jane that they did where he where. She just pretty
much said, I don't want nothing to do with you.
I'm gonna have kids with this man over here. I'm
thick of her. That that run looked a bad taste
of it.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I need I need a strong another strong win.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Oh yeah, matter of fact, not even Peter give me
some Felicia's black Cat, black Cat.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Black Cat, or even give me that that love injury
he has in the show. Now, I'll take anything over
Mary Jane, exactly anything. I never really was an m
J fan like that in the two thousand or Toby's
verse did not help with my God favorite Chad and
the ninety Spider Man did not help either.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, but a real problem toxic.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
They both shout out the NFL and the Gwynne. After
feeling that, I was like, you know what, Gliff, they
didn't get another run.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
She can?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
She can.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I like the setups and now they're going and I
really like how they feel like.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Play on this whole.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Thing with like his relationships as far as because I
think Nico really like him more than.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Like I think.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So I felt either that or Hairy, like I would
either one one of the things. Either one of them could.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Even when like her at the end with the little stone.
So I feel like that's what Tom should have had.
He should have had those people dropped in the world
so we'll know if it comes to it. He got
these other vielains. He got people can help him. And
I really feel like what probably could have worked too
with Tom is instead of giving him all those movies,
he should have had a show.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, I agree, he should have could have They.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Could help his character grow a lot and show.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Espec even in between the movies. Have a show like
that in between the movies to flush out some of
those like lesser known villains like the d Listers and
stuff like that. The one the Friendly neighborhood ones and
then you relished or you have the bigger, bigger villains
in the bigger movies, and that would have been cool.
But I think this show is doing great, and I
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think the way they are doing their villains, I think,
like Scorpion be like the main villain of the like
the show like leading up to him beings. That was great.
And I hope they get some more doc because doc
Ock is great. Yeah they did, Yeah, and then I
definitely want to see shoot. I would love to see
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a familion or something because they.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, I mean Craven creeping someone in the.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Bag they got they got right now in there.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I ts him too exactly. Yes, I'm like they definitely
got it set up.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
They got it fed up pretty well. And I think
that they did a really good job of introducing Venom
into the universe as well with the time loop. His
powers been coming from our time loop. I think that
was really cool introducing Venom that way. And I think
Norman's on that stuff. You know, as we know, Norman's
gonna he never never Yeah, he never learned his lesson.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's just period, Yeah, Niverse, he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
He just keeps trying ship that's gonna not go the
right way every time.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It does every time, So I'm I'm thinking they're gonna
do what they did because I haven't I necessarily haven't
got a chance to play Spider Man because they don't
want to PS five. But I think in that game,
Harry was the venom for me at first, like that,
but I think that they might be him.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And that's what he was using to keep him alive,
and it was.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, yeah, so he was agent venom at first, but
then it started taking over it and he became.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Like, Okay, I think they're gonna set that up for that.
I think they're setting him up for that. Honestly, that
are him being like him being the album which.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Because Eddie, because the thing about Eddie is he doesn't
work right now because technically Eddie comes into Peter's life
when he's an adult, he works exactly, so it doesn't
really work. You can try it, but it doesn't hit
the same.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
And honestly, I feel like they can do it different.
They have different options they can do for a Venom line.
They could do. They could even introduce Flash in the
next season and have him do it, because Flash does
become Agent venom at one point in time it works.
Or they can have Harry be because they've already introduced
that in the games, or they can different.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
They probably will have Flash now that's going because like, yeah, athlete,
so he's probably gonna take Lonie's place as like the
star athlete.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That'll be cool. But let's say one thing, one thing
before we wrap up.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I gotta give a shout out to Coleman Domingo.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
So crazy though, how Coleman sounds like William dafoel Like
his cadence is very similar to William Defoe And I
think that's why his like normal was so believable to me.
And I was like so captivated and pulled in back
because I was like, bro, he sounds almost just like
whoever does the casting director When they got him, they
(31:32):
hit a home run with that one. I'm so hyped
to see more of that. I gotta get. I gotta
give a shout out to my dude because he just
be killing the period.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So yeah, his voice actor and then Harry did a
great job.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
They both Robinson, we're gonna leave it that, We're gonna
leave it right there.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, we gonna type on another podcast you can take
out of about I Woke podcast. Check that one out,
Check on out because yeah, we're not touching that one again.
We've already thought we we're gonna fat But you have
any other final remark before you wrap this thing up?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh man?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
All other than that, I'm really looking for to Tom,
I hope you get a due justice to really prove
himself as a friendly neighborhood spider Man, amazing, spectacular, whatever
you want to put on in front of it, he
gets that title I'm hoping for. Yeah, excited to see
what comes from your friendly neighborhood Spider Man. I know
(32:29):
it's gonna be more good stuffs. Like I said, my
boyfriend Craig and the Creek.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You knows what to do. So other than that's all
I really have. That's all I got for you.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh I'm my life final mark. I'm crowning your favorite
are your friendly neighbor spider Man as a better depiction
that I'm for people that are.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I got even more controversial. I think if it goes
on long enough, it can get up there with the
o G animated series from the nineties. I'm not gonna
say it can be thrown it, but it can be
in the conversation for one of the best. Yeah, it
(33:14):
has a very high possibility of doing that. So we
shall see if this next season hits strong. O. G.
Spider Man, we love you, but hey, you might take
a back feed on your on your coat tail because
some of them, some of them episodes age well, I
know it was. I went back and watched the old
X Man and those age pretty good.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, the old X Man work. We have a podcast
about X Men ninety seven, which we talked about ninety
two in there, so you want to see that. There's
a link down there or there, y'all.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Better get on the If y'all gonna do a Spider
Man ninety eight, y'all better do it.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Because it's coming. It's coming for.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
It if if coming for you, because yeah, he's right
age well at all. I won't say the designs are
pretty good. But other than that, some of the story
podcast well.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And I'm telling y'all, we're not just saying this.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
If you go on YouTube, it's a lot of guys
that break it down and say we thought we remember
a different way, but now you know, and.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
You can just pay attention to it.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
It's way different like the Metri said, don't come at
uson in compass. But if y'all won't come at us
in the compass because we see at the square.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
We said what we said, man, we stand, we stand there.
Come on, man, you ain't now.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Come on you know what.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
No, we gotta come with the shameless promotional because we're
standing on business business.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
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if you have things with the animation, that's fine. Animation
is something, all right, it's something.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, once you get past it's a great story, it's
a great shout saimation.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
You forget about it. Honestly, you forget it after a while.
But with that being said, I'm your host, Dimitricus, and
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He always be a part of podcasts.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
He always Yeah, he's always here, even in spirit. Sometimes
he come by. But today is gonna be a special podcast.
We're gonna talk about, as you can see from the banner,
we're gonna be talking about the comparison between if sheth
spider Man and your friendly neighborhood spider Man, the most
recent spider Man, and which one did it better. We
already know you guys know which one did it better
(00:52):
if you've been paying attention to the shows. But we're
gonna help you.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Out mark paying attention and not hate.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right exactly, Let's talk about it. Listen the whole nother podcast, right.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, we did, by the way we did.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
We did. If you want to know about you want
to know about the best live action spy by spider Man,
we did a podcast about that is really great. You'd
be pretty surprised that we shose, honestly, it would be.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It was.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It was a nail bier, really, honestly, it was some
good and Tom came in there and he did some weight.
He did a little bit of waiting there. Tom has
grown on me the definitely so Spider Man for looking
forward to it rather of right now. But that's another podcast.
You can check that podcast if you want to see
our thoughts on that good little pluggy plug right there.
(01:43):
But with that being said, I think the thing about
their friendly neighborhood Spider Man that works better than the
NFU is just said. They didn't really heavily go into
the They had a mentor, but they had his villain
be his mentor, which was an interest seen twist on
the already establishing an mp of having a father figure
(02:04):
for the uncle will Row. But it worked and executed
better in the theory than it did in.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, I think honestly, just even as simple as this
good writing and storytelling, it went back to the roots
of the comic and just really flushing out Peter as
his own person and having to balance this life of
being a teenager, being immature, naive, very influential.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's not just Avenger who's he's looking up to.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He's looking up the money he got his friend Nico. Nico,
then Harry comes into the picture and Norman, and then
on top of that, you do have the Vengures in
this universe. And it's crazy because this show is literally
the opposite of the MCU with Tom's and they just
(02:59):
switched things around and unfortunate because it's like they got
it right this time. Yeah, if they would have did
it like this the first time, then it would have worked.
Because we me and Demetrius always say we weren't the
biggest fans with the whole Tony Stark as the mentor.
(03:20):
We felt like it should have been somebody a little
bit more personal, and we was okay with the suit
being all high tech, but it was like it's Tony Stark,
of course he's gonna give him like a great suit
off real and even in this series with Norman, like
he had to tech and gave him like different suits.
He had the options. And at the end of the day,
I thought it was cool that Harry was the one.
(03:42):
Was like, nah, man, I saw what you had in
your book and your sketch pad.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
This is you, Like, this is what you And that's
just going back to my first point.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
The showing the relationships, how they work, how they entertwined,
even how they were finding out he was Spider Man.
But it wasn't just like it was over the mistakes
that he would really probably make, like changing in front
of the camera and hairytailer Nico, like it's stuff like
that that probably would really happen in reality.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, it's hard to say.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I would say, it's hard to say comparison which is better,
and you can almost say not even if it's Roach,
that's the new one. Oh yeah, that's the new one. Right, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Here getting down break everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah. But but yeah, it's almost like.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It's almost like this is an improvement to let us
see what the possibility of a good Spider Man story.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And also my dog who wrote Craig and Creak.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I always forget his name, but he wrote and he
came up with the Craig of the Creek show. So
when I heard it was him, I was like, I
ain't even worry because that dude know how to tell
some stories.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
He does. Yeah, I agree, and to what I talking
about the suit aspect, because you did bring up a
great point when Tony he gave him a suit that
he thought he would need for being an Avenger. He
didn't give him the chance to really like make or
find his own suit. He was like, that's what you
give you. Parachutes, kill mode, all these things that have
(05:31):
the backing advice is all these things that you know,
and they seemed like they seemed like they were there
were Spider Man suits because it was yeah, the Spider
Man when it had all the web, but it seemed
like Tony Stark was the one that was really the
person in designing him and not really Peter until the
last movie or the No Way Home, Yeah, not No
(05:52):
Way Home, far from Home when he made suit, when
he made his own suit and it had the black tints,
which that was probably besides his end gate in the
last ten second or ten minutes shoot when he had
that blue, that light like shiny blue, that was the
best suit for me. Like all the other suits, I
just wasn't that big of a fan of. But I
like that Norman was like giving him all these different
(06:14):
options to choose though he could figure out what he
wanted to be. And then I love that in this
in the Friendly Neighbor Spider Man, someone no one's telling
him exactly that with great power from great responsority line.
He's learning that through his own journey. Yeah, so removing
(06:34):
Uncle Ben is in this situation is great because or
sorry spoilers.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, he's there. You just don't.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
We don't have to see the origin like which exactly
I was perfectly.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
But at least we know he existed.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We physically seeing something that that was proof. Okay uncle
Ben was that exactly something happened, but it wasn't how
he got his powers, which is the way he got
his But before we get into that, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, but like if it's spoiler alert, uncle Ben is
technically in the universe and he's technically around, I think
I want to say no, I think that's no. Sorry,
that's his dad. Keep keep forgetting that's just his dad. Yeah, yeah,
yeah the end, I always like, I always jumped to that,
but scratch that. It's his dad. For the record, don't
(07:25):
come at me in the comments, okay, don't. But I
like that in this universe they removed Uncle Ben. This
his line, and it let Peter determine that on its own,
which is a way better way of handling it than
having it being thrown at at the end of the
third movie, which I always thought was this clunky just
(07:46):
to get the line out.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It isn't the fact that it's top may or whatever.
It's the fact that how clunky it was just thrown
out there where they they heard the fans were were
wanting it, and they were like, we need to drop
this line. Let's make it happen. So I didn't really
like that effect. So I love the bigger dynamic or
the newer dynamic of it and how characters interact in
(08:11):
this universe and are not characters.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Everybody has a purpose in this show.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Their stories connect with either another character a personal journey,
like I love Line's story.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, because we all know that Lining is too like
I do that.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Coming into the show and it was like, man, how
are they gonna turn this good kid into a villain?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Even in the end he's he really does not become
a villain yet, but you start to see like the
delayers pill just being peeled very slowly, because I think
what's gonna happen with him is he's gonna really be
trying to look out more people, but it's not gonna
be the right way. There's most villains who like that line, dude,
(09:01):
And then like in the Spider Man game, Tombstone kind
of was the same way, like him and and Peter
had a relationship and then like he went he went
straight and tried to go on the right path and
stuff and ended up helping them on some missions and stuff.
So it's like Tombstone is one of those characters that
kind of walks that line. Yeah, what us is interesting
(09:23):
real quick is Tom got three movies, right, three movies,
three solo movies, two what three Avenger movies basically because
he was at End Games and Infinity War and then
he was in Civil War.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So that's what that's.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Six movies, three appearances.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, we'll give and the fact that one season so
far has covered everything that they took three movies to get.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's where the problem is for us.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It ain't it's not that it's not that we don't
like Tom Spider Man, because Tom played the hell out
of Peter.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He brought it to the table.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
But the story they gave and how fast they rushed
him into these big, bigger problems in this show. We
literally see Peter in New York and in his neighborhood
doing stuff. Even the villains and stuff. Iron Man comes
into rest what six episode or something like, you know
(10:32):
that all there, but it's really focused on Peter. And
I always was an advocate saying Homecoming should have really
it was grounded, and they.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Could have they should have kept it there with the
next movie.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But because they threw him on the Adventures movies and
all that, he just got this big album. Yeah, and
at the end of the day, like he's technically like,
what sixteen seventeen, So it's a teenager because most of
the times in the comments when Peter started doing the
Venger stuff, he's well into college.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's established at that point in time. Exactly,
He's not just starting his career like two years ago
or something like that. And I think I like that.
The one thing I had another thing that had a
problem with info You Spider Man is or Tom spider
Man is. His villains weren't his villains. They were Tony
(11:26):
Stark inspired villains. But in the Freely Spider Man all
his all of his villains, all of them.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Were affected by Tony and something he did some way.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Vulture was from the Guitar Invasion, you know, with the
women they shut down what he worked for the stereo
work that Start Industries.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
What was the last one? Oh, the last one. They
pulled villains from other universes, so it wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It wasn't even his villains. Yeah, they were Spider Man villains,
they just weren't his Spider Man villain.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And then on top of that, still, what did they
use to enhance their stuff?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Start?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So and I guess that's their answer in the NF
you for like any tech that isn't like space sac Oh,
it's Tony stuff, which you know you established, it's your
universe around Tony. Of course you're gonna use the tech
to explain anything, but it makes sense. I just wish
that we got the same of the treatment that we
get in their friendly Neighborhood Spider Man that we got
in the Empty in Spider Man with his villains. Had
(12:29):
a beef with him, like Scorpion had a beef with
literally Peter because he kept he kept nothing with his stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, he kept interrupting him.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
And then I even like how because Norman said that
great with great podcasts, great respect, respect, respect, and I
was like, WHOA, that's the wrong thing to tell exactly
because I know you tell me that I'm gonna be
like I could go out here and whoop some masks
and then respect me.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And that's exact Peter what he an't doing. He got to.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
The point where he was about off score being and
he realized when London stup there, he was like, man,
I can't. That's when it clicked, the responsibility part, and
like you said, back to your point, that's what gave
that show, like that balance of Okay, we don't have
Uncle Ben saying that famous line, but like the way
(13:22):
Stanley always wrote it, it's a part of Spider Man
and that's what wakes him up to realize he has
to be a hero and has to be responsible with it.
So I thought it was cool how they did that,
and just like how they tie in all these characters
and they set up so much stuff and then we know,
now we can go in Stacey next season.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So I'm like, bro, I'm like, I really.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Feel like this is how Tom's universe man, And I
hate so bad that he didn't get this set up
because now he's at the point where he's in his
like Toby Toby's though he's going.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
To college, he's trying to pay.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
The bills kind of balance it out. I'm just hoping
now they do it right. And I'm hoping, like even
with their devil out, now that we get some of
him at their devil.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Can't get him in there though. You know why they're
reported that they can't put Spider Man in TV shows.
We ain't gonna We only mentioned we're gonna get it
to the foe. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna spoil it anymore,
but more than I'm about to say now. But what
if mentioned Spider Man. That's all you're getting. That's what
you're getting.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And it's so crazy because they literally have so many
interactions in the comics bro like they're in the same
freaking state, like just a few miles apart from each other.
It's like, how would they not running? And if I
get it, it's a rated it's a mature show.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You don't want to show up, but he.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Can show up, even if it's like them beat him
for coffee or something like don't tell each other now, Yeah,
you don't have to because he's going to have to
cross paths with the partnership because he does that a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Commons and stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So the thing is, I think I like about the
two shows is two squints. Tom had a crash out
moment in No Way Home and this Peter had a
crash out of it in the first season. They both
were about the right.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I'm talking about in the same way, like this exactly just.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And they both were stopped by people that was like closing.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That was caring about them, that actually cared about their
brand and cared about who they how what they represented.
Ronnie was like, hey, you're better than this. You don't
want to lose them, blew them all the good you're
doing from them seeing you do this, and then Toby
was like, listen, I've been down that road. I had venom.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You don't want you don't want to, you don't want
to be bully McGuire, Okay, you don't want to.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Hey, well we posted we gotta cut that clip and
they hit they have them like down here, I'm gonna
try to cook that up because he gotta throw it
in there.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
My second point is that I loved both there that
were interactions and when he caught the break, I was
like that. And then when he showed up at the
person that let him know that Norman wasn't ship.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, and then he was like it was so cool.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
The jokes that they did was like the perfect like
jokes because Matt was He's like, he's like, how can
you see that? He was like, no, not really like
Matt was like he basically was finna say, like, dude,
I'm blind, I can't but he was. And I liked
how Matt like he can play on this line where
(16:43):
he can beat you up enough but not hurt you
because say, hey, kid, I'm trying to do a job.
I don't want to hurt you, but you need to
realize what you're getting yourself into. It was a good
little fight. It was like a teaching moment for Peter.
Hey this dude really good roof you up. And he's
just trying to be nice.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
He just trying to He trying to be nice and
get his job done. When I heard a kid, because
you got.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You see did you see at the end that girl
was working with him?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Who was at the school? I looked up.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I had looked up a lot of the characters that
I've never heard of, and she's like a super like
vigilanting and she's so she's working with Matt. So I
was like, now you know, we got Alma Day's show,
so yeah, we might get a hold. Then doctor Conners
is an African American woman, so that's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Thattha be an interesting to especially with how close their relationship.
And I'm glad that they set up that relationship in
the city this shell early. And it's gonna be crazy
how how norm is gonna turn because like I was
waiting for that, like we got the Glider, but I
was waiting for a little little peak.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I waited to see a little soup or something.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I like how they like dragging it out a little bit,
and it's and I really think it's gonna hurt I
think it's gonna hurt Harry more than it does.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Peter, Oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So I'm really excited to see how they gonna that's
another thing we getting. We're getting ap Peter and a
Harry relationship, like an updated like what we thought we
was gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Get with Tom.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But the whole thing with Sony and the characters, we
understand that. But I just thought for sure that second
film we was gonna get hairy when they win.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Now that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Now that I really think that this show will help them,
will guide them to do certain things, like you said,
like now that he's gonna be in college, he can
meet Harry in college, because it's clear now that we
can have a storyline with him and Harry haven't known
each other since they were kids exactly, and they build
a friendship.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I have a lot of like faith in this next
Spider Man because I really feel like Tom wants to
give people like that memorable Spider Man that's no sticks.
He can have that conversation with like we said when
we did our podcast, he could be in the conversation
with Andrew Toby, and he's going to get something that
(19:08):
neither one of them got to complete his you know,
his story and have all those films, because he has
three and this will be the fault. So Toby got
the three, he didn't get his four. Andrew didn't get
three or four. So it's you know this last one
or if it is, that's right, it's five and six.
So like he really this is his chance.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
To really.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, give it that weight, like yeah, and now I
got that. Now he got the great power with respect,
because that's what I feel he's missing, the respect part,
not as far as like Spider Man, but like people respecting,
like how is that characters portrayed?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
This would be Tom's moment shot and we love you Tom.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, the people who are over your writing and you're
directing and don't love you like that. And the thing is,
I know he's going to be better. I know he's
going to be in Secret Wars, and I hope that
they don't. I love to see I love to see Andrew,
and I love to see Toby, but little it's like
(20:13):
Tom shine, all right, he needs to shine.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
The black suit got yeah, you know, let him have it.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I don't care. I don't care if it's just what
he made. He needs a black suit, he.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Needs he needs an official black because that thing is
no way home. I'm not counting.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
All he did was like flip it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Put it inside out. But the thing is being that
they're going to go into with with our least favorite
directive decision of having RDIJ no shot, no shade r
dy J, but the direction of him playing doom. You
know what they're doing this for? You know what that
you know you know what they.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
See him and it'd be like that shock value moment
and he's no mister Stark and he's going to be
like who you play because.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
But every single time in every movie that he has
a father figure whatever like that, he had that moment
where he's, oh, my word, when it was with Mysterio
or with the thing volture in the car, he had
that moment where he was like, oh fuck, I'm fucked,
or with Mysterio, I messed up. So now he's gonna
have that moment where he's gonna probably trust him at
first and then get duked, because that's just it just
(21:22):
seemed like this. It happened twice.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It's at this point you gotta stop following. For Peter,
I was just gonna say for me, for the r
DJ to really work, and I'm emphasizing real work because
I ain't on board, but to really hit with me,
he gotta go all the way. He gotta almost be
(21:47):
like to the point where I'm getting like Blair Underwood
vibe from that from what was it but DIA's Family Reunion.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, I don't like him at all.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I want to like r DJ For a few months
after I watched this because because it's like.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
We talk about done.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
This ain't a villain who's forgiven and just he's gonna
play it nice.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He's finna wreck some ship.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, and I'm talking about like when he see Peter
and Peter trying to walk up to him, Like I'm
talking about grabbing like this, like it gotta it really
gotta like that energy gotta really feed off. Yeah, we
all know, like how RDJ portrayed Tony. We gotta really
separate the two because if you don't, it's really gonna
(22:35):
bleed in together and it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Like, that's just Tony star as.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I don't even want it to be a suit that
looks like an Iron Man suit but it's silver. I
needed to just be completely separated from anything with Tony start,
no references at all, So they gotta really pull it
off man.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Image. It does look like he's But my thing is
being the rumors are I'm gonna say speculation before I
say these things, because people are gonna be like, that's
just the fan theory, speculation based on the Internet. If
I'm wrong, sorry, don't come exactly, don't come at me.
But they said that he sposed to be a one
(23:17):
off kind of villain, so which is perfect, But like
you gotta decide the better it don't tell me anything.
Don't tell me that one off film before I get
in defee.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This movie, yeah, because I would rather not know.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So when I see it, I'm like, Okay, that's good exactly,
That's what I was looking for, because honestly, I think
I know we're getting out of Spider Man. I really think,
matter of fact, this is a Spider Man thing. I
really have some kind of feeling like in Fantastic for
we're going to see like a version of Spider Man
in that world, and I think it's gonna be a
doom and it's not gonna be Tony RDJ.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I think it's gonna be a.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Doom from that world and he's gonna like nik into
another universe with and that's who's going to be the.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
One that's actually gonna be there. So somewhere they're setting
it up. Okay what happened.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I might be wrong, but that's just my theory. So
I just want to see a nineteen sixties Spider Man. Oh,
that would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I would love to see him be like a standing
member of the Fantastic for that foundation.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Feud on.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I just give you a taste of it, that's all
I need. That the taste the taste of it because
the Neighbor Spider Man got me looking at those alternate
versions of different versions where he had the fit with
the wingbarn, which is another version of him from Adultnate
or whatever. I think it's alternate or either a clone
of him or something like that. They're all like note
(24:47):
of those things.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So I got a I got one more, like really
big question, do you think since we get another season
like and it might be like more seasons, do you
you think we'll get the clone saga in the story
because all that quick, all this taking stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I just want to see Ben Roley.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Just one time, for the one time one time. I
do too.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I want to just be want to just be a
two part of They don't have to be like a
big storyline, just episode.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
With one or two or more if you do it right,
if you do it right, I'll take more. But I
need to see him in the classic ninety feet with
the hoodie and they or or if you're gonna do it,
they're redesigned inspired by that, and I'll be fine about it.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I'll be perfectly fine.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh and do you think Mary Jane should stay out
of this show? Or should she come later on like
she normally does, like she's supposed to, because a lot
of people don't know Mary Jane was not like there.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah, she came after a while because the big
thing that happened with gwyn Stacey's death with what like
ended that thing with Peter, and then Mary Jane came
in after that. But I would, honestly, and I know
Spider Man fan are gonna give me a lot of
in the college. I'm sick and tired of seeing Mary
(26:14):
Jane that they did where he where. She just pretty
much said, I don't want nothing to do with you.
I'm gonna have kids with this man over here. I'm
thick of her. That that run looked a bad taste
of it.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I need I need a strong another strong win.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Oh yeah, matter of fact, not even Peter give me
some Felicia's black Cat, black Cat.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Black Cat, or even give me that that love injury
he has in the show. Now, I'll take anything over
Mary Jane, exactly anything. I never really was an m
J fan like that in the two thousand or Toby's
verse did not help with my God favorite Chad and
the ninety Spider Man did not help either.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, but a real problem toxic.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
They both shout out the NFL and the Gwynne. After
feeling that, I was like, you know what, Gliff, they
didn't get another run.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
She can?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
She can.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I like the setups and now they're going and I
really like how they feel like.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Play on this whole.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Thing with like his relationships as far as because I
think Nico really like him more than.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Like I think.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So I felt either that or Hairy, like I would
either one one of the things. Either one of them could.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Even when like her at the end with the little stone.
So I feel like that's what Tom should have had.
He should have had those people dropped in the world
so we'll know if it comes to it. He got
these other vielains. He got people can help him. And
I really feel like what probably could have worked too
with Tom is instead of giving him all those movies,
he should have had a show.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, I agree, he should have could have They.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Could help his character grow a lot and show.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Espec even in between the movies. Have a show like
that in between the movies to flush out some of
those like lesser known villains like the d Listers and
stuff like that. The one the Friendly neighborhood ones and
then you relished or you have the bigger, bigger villains
in the bigger movies, and that would have been cool.
But I think this show is doing great, and I
(28:30):
think the way they are doing their villains, I think,
like Scorpion be like the main villain of the like
the show like leading up to him beings. That was great.
And I hope they get some more doc because doc
Ock is great. Yeah they did, Yeah, and then I
definitely want to see shoot. I would love to see
(28:50):
a familion or something because they.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, I mean Craven creeping someone in the.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Bag they got they got right now in there.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I ts him too exactly. Yes, I'm like they definitely
got it set up.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
They got it fed up pretty well. And I think
that they did a really good job of introducing Venom
into the universe as well with the time loop. His
powers been coming from our time loop. I think that
was really cool introducing Venom that way. And I think
Norman's on that stuff. You know, as we know, Norman's
gonna he never never Yeah, he never learned his lesson.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's just period, Yeah, Niverse, he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
He just keeps trying ship that's gonna not go the
right way every time.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It does every time, So I'm I'm thinking they're gonna
do what they did because I haven't I necessarily haven't
got a chance to play Spider Man because they don't
want to PS five. But I think in that game,
Harry was the venom for me at first, like that,
but I think that they might be him.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And that's what he was using to keep him alive,
and it was.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, yeah, so he was agent venom at first, but
then it started taking over it and he became.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Like, Okay, I think they're gonna set that up for that.
I think they're setting him up for that. Honestly, that
are him being like him being the album which.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Because Eddie, because the thing about Eddie is he doesn't
work right now because technically Eddie comes into Peter's life
when he's an adult, he works exactly, so it doesn't
really work. You can try it, but it doesn't hit
the same.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
And honestly, I feel like they can do it different.
They have different options they can do for a Venom line.
They could do. They could even introduce Flash in the
next season and have him do it, because Flash does
become Agent venom at one point in time it works.
Or they can have Harry be because they've already introduced
that in the games, or they can different.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
They probably will have Flash now that's going because like, yeah, athlete,
so he's probably gonna take Lonie's place as like the
star athlete.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That'll be cool. But let's say one thing, one thing
before we wrap up.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I gotta give a shout out to Coleman Domingo.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
So crazy though, how Coleman sounds like William dafoel Like
his cadence is very similar to William Defoe And I
think that's why his like normal was so believable to me.
And I was like so captivated and pulled in back
because I was like, bro, he sounds almost just like
whoever does the casting director When they got him, they
(31:32):
hit a home run with that one. I'm so hyped
to see more of that. I gotta get. I gotta
give a shout out to my dude because he just
be killing the period.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So yeah, his voice actor and then Harry did a
great job.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
They both Robinson, we're gonna leave it that, We're gonna
leave it right there.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, we gonna type on another podcast you can take
out of about I Woke podcast. Check that one out,
Check on out because yeah, we're not touching that one again.
We've already thought we we're gonna fat But you have
any other final remark before you wrap this thing up?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh man?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
All other than that, I'm really looking for to Tom,
I hope you get a due justice to really prove
himself as a friendly neighborhood spider Man, amazing, spectacular, whatever
you want to put on in front of it, he
gets that title I'm hoping for. Yeah, excited to see
what comes from your friendly neighborhood Spider Man. I know
(32:29):
it's gonna be more good stuffs. Like I said, my
boyfriend Craig and the Creek.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You knows what to do. So other than that's all
I really have. That's all I got for you.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh I'm my life final mark. I'm crowning your favorite
are your friendly neighbor spider Man as a better depiction
that I'm for people that are.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I got even more controversial. I think if it goes
on long enough, it can get up there with the
o G animated series from the nineties. I'm not gonna
say it can be thrown it, but it can be
in the conversation for one of the best. Yeah, it
(33:14):
has a very high possibility of doing that. So we
shall see if this next season hits strong. O. G.
Spider Man, we love you, but hey, you might take
a back feed on your on your coat tail because
some of them, some of them episodes age well, I
know it was. I went back and watched the old
X Man and those age pretty good.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, the old X Man work. We have a podcast
about X Men ninety seven, which we talked about ninety
two in there, so you want to see that. There's
a link down there or there, y'all.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Better get on the If y'all gonna do a Spider
Man ninety eight, y'all better do it.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Because it's coming. It's coming for.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
It if if coming for you, because yeah, he's right
age well at all. I won't say the designs are
pretty good. But other than that, some of the story
podcast well.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And I'm telling y'all, we're not just saying this.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
If you go on YouTube, it's a lot of guys
that break it down and say we thought we remember
a different way, but now you know, and.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
You can just pay attention to it.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
It's way different like the Metri said, don't come at
uson in compass. But if y'all won't come at us
in the compass because we see at the square.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
We said what we said, man, we stand, we stand there.
Come on, man, you ain't now.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Come on you know what.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
No, we gotta come with the shameless promotional because we're
standing on business business.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Oh, if you want to watch this episode in future episode,
you know where to find us on YouTube at Square
around Table podcast. You can find us on speak. We're
definitely working on back log on there, so our episodes
they are going to be coming very soon. But there's
a lot of episodes down there already right now that
you can like one hundred or so episodes down there. Nice episode.
You can hear our lovely voices. If you want to
follow us thought, if you want to follow us on
(35:07):
our social media and our instagram not actually not going
to act. That's done our Instagram and I think we
have a we don't have a discord. We read it's working.
It's up there. But check us out on those things
and then leave with a comment below if you agree
with our final pick of the better two depictions. If
(35:27):
you have some tom people out there who just don't
love this new anime show. Let us know in the
comment be okay any of the day. Like I say,
if you have things with the animation, that's fine. Animation
is something, all right, it's something.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, once you get past it's a great story, it's
a great shout saimation.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
You forget about it. Honestly, you forget it after a while.
But with that being said, I'm your host, Dimitricus, and
this has been the Square around Table podcast. If we
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