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All of the work of the Christian faith is to mature into our dependence on Jesus.
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I was like dang it. I don't like that. And I know it's true. I'm supposed to be maturing into
dependence, not maturing out of dependence.
Hello and welcome to the Stand Up Dude podcast, the podcast that helps men discover and embrace their
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God-given masculinity and deepen and grow their faith in Jesus Christ. I'm Stewart White and along
with our host, Tim Bisagno. Today we have an incredible show. We have a guest. His name is Pedro
LaTorre. I want to give a quick little bio here about Pedro. Please do. Before we officially
welcome him to the show. Pedro is a speaker. He's a coach, musician, former professional baseball
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player. Through his company, the LaTorre company, he's on a mission to empower people, especially men
to walk in their purpose, grow in their faith, and live out their truest qualities. Pedro's
unique blend of faith in leadership and his creative expression. They've led him to speak on stages
around the world, inspiring men and women to find their God-given calling and boldly pursue it.
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In our conversation today, we're going to dive into a few things. We're going to talk about manhood.
We're going to talk about faith. We're actually going to split this into a couple interviews. We're
pretty excited about that. In our next ones, we're going to talk about leadership and challenges,
everything that's facing the culture. Get ready to be encouraged because we want to welcome
Pedro LaTorre to the show. Let's go man. I'm excited. It's always a little awkward when
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somebody reads your bio. When you're sitting here. I know. And when you wrote it. Yeah. I don't know
what it's like. I didn't write it. It's actually really that's good because all of it. They're sitting
there going, "You did that." Yeah, and truth be, I never made it to professional baseball. So I'm
not a professional baseball player. Okay. It's a good baseball. Sure. Yeah, so I'm trying to. My dad
was a professional baseball player. Oh, yeah. I'm okay. Did he get paid? He did. Yeah, he was
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dropped the same. He says, "Go giant and then play with the cardinals." I just left him this morning
back in Georgia. Yeah. Bertay or something? Six to five. Did he have a baseball card and everything?
You know, somebody's asked me, "I've never seen it." Yeah. I've seen all kinds of other
newspaper clippings and all that kind of stuff. Well, for those guys that like
baseball cards, what will give us his full name? Pedro Littori Jr. So my dad played with Terry
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Pendleton, Vince Coleman, and all those guys. Awesome. He's a very, very talented ball player.
Really good man and a good man. And a good man. It turned just 65. 65? It's a big one. It isn't
a big one. It is. He was getting off the couch a couple of times doing that. It was like dad. Yeah.
Yeah. Come on. Yeah. But no, he's earned it. Yeah. That motor running keeps it smooth. Go,
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crush them, Bertay cake too. Really? Yeah, I shouldn't have done that. Really dreaded it. Oh,
man. We have hit you harder every year too. Yeah. That's really good to have you. Thank you. Yeah,
bro. And I'll start out by saying, I am sorry that I have not connected with you sooner. You've
been here for a couple years. For? For? Okay. Lusely speaking, a couple years. Can you make
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me feel better? I know. Yes, please. Yeah. Man. You just put it right back. I love, I love,
thank you. You know, breaches the chasm. We're good. Yeah. Absolutely. It does. Last time
and I hadn't even told you this, too. But last time one of the last times I saw paid,
bro. He was a guest on MX TV that we just started talking about a few weeks ago. So we'll put
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that in the link. His show was performance and the traps of or such. And you'll hear some of
those pieces today. Great. But you crushed it. Yeah. Man. Wow. Yeah, dude. My hair was a bit more
Curlier. You lost the curl. No, no, no, they're still here. Okay. Okay. They're just hidden under
the the hides in the hat. Yeah. Well, it's really, really good to have you. Thank you. I got to be here.
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Yeah. And I love what you're doing. I love the space that you've opened yourself up to and that you,
the God has created there. It seems like like like he sets you on this path. And I'm from what I know
of you, you started learning and got a passion about it. Like I got to share this. This is what I'm
created to do. That's that's kind of what I know about you from from from watching what you've done
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since I saw you last. Yeah. And so welcome to to Nashville. And look forward to having you again.
So let's let's just start out today. I've written a few things here and I want to try to stay on
on track because we're going to we're going to do this this this episode fairly succincted. But
I don't want to be in a in a hurry as well. So in a culture where where definitions brother of
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masculinity seem to be constantly shifting. How would you define true masculinity in in a in a
biblical setting in a in a with a biblical context of of 2025. Oh, it's good. What do you think,
Stewart? Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah. Dolly. You know, the first thing that comes to mind is Genesis. So
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if that's you said biblical. So in Genesis, you see the serpent talking to Adam and Eve. And one of
the things he says that's that's been tripping me up the last few years. And it's what was really a
catalyst for my own healing journey. I went on as he says, uh, did God really say you couldn't eat
of the tree. And so we see this first act where he goes, I'm going to get you to suppress what God
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said. So there's a suppression act. And then the second part is he's like, well, he knew if you ate
of the tree, you would be like God. So now we have this massive exaggeration. And so that is what's
happened as a whole with masculinity. It's from the garden. It's it's it's dissolved as old as time
is the enemy's job, the enemy's role, at least as as he sees it is to suppress or to exaggerate what
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God has said because he can get us to live in the extremes that we never move towards the person
of Jesus because the person of Jesus lived right in the middle all the way to the end of his life
literally on a cross between two extremes of people, which represent all humanity, right? The
the person who's like suppressing their own needs. I would never even ask Jesus of being with him
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in paradise. And the other guy's like, Hey, if if ever you think of me in paradise, right? Yeah,
it's two extremes. And Jesus is always at this balanced figure in the middle of the two extremes. And so
that has helped me a ton of my own life, especially as a man when you talk about masculinity is I think
the danger of any man in 2025 now 2025. I know days to say that is that we'll live in the suppression
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of our heart and our needs, the suppression of our feelings or we'll live exaggerating them.
You could argue that's the church at large. The church either exaggerates feelings and emotions.
We call that emotionalism or we suppress it and that's more the liturgical heady. Yeah. And so we
don't really know what to do with like it. Where else to the middle? Yeah, where is that middle
healthier version? I think you always have to look back to the person of Jesus, but the enemy has been
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trying for a very long time to to get us to live in one of those sides rather than sort of a middle
surrendered version of that. And so I think masculinity is the middle surrendered version of those two
extremes. So balancing this strength and this humility, which I think the most beautiful example
is Jesus. Many men think that that strength, but you've hit on means dominating with the
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lattice voice in the room. How do you believe that men can balance strong leadership with humility?
The how? Man. Yeah, I think about I think about Gethsemitii. I think that's the first thing I
found to mind. One of my faves. You see so many things that play that I think I overlooked for so
long in my own Christian faith. Like one, you see Jesus at this massively, you know, gross moment
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in history where he's about to face the sins of humanity. Like we can't even comprehend. I can
even comprehend my own sins, let alone the sins of humanity for all of time. But what does he do? He
brings a few dudes in there with him. So there's something to be said about the God of the universe saying,
I, even me, I need other people. I've created us in relationship. God was Father Son Holy Spirit.
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He invites three other people into Gethsemitii with him. That's interesting. He asking to pray and
be present with him in his pain. That's what he's saying. We be with me in this. And this is how you
can participate is be proximal, but also pray for me without falling asleep without falling asleep. Which
they did. They brought their sleeping bags apparently. And then you have Jesus. I know. Then you have
Jesus who's absolutely being crushed by the weight of the world who's saying, Hey, if there's any way
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that this can pass for me, please let it happen. And so there's a beautiful
strength in his surrender and in his desperation. And so Jesus models for us like that. Again, it's
that those these two, these two pendulums, they obviously, he's modeling us the middle, which is
surrender. It is not my will, but your will. We overlook these things so much like Jesus had a will
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that was different than his fathers. Think about that for a second. He had, he's saying not mine.
Not mine. Yours. Interesting. Not my way. Your way. And I think that's important as men. Like
sometimes we don't pay attention to what might be stirring in us. And so then we're trying to live a
life surrendered, but you can't surrender, which you're not willing to see. Even Jesus was willing
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to see the parts of himself that were not in congruence with the father. And so he doesn't deny that
they're not, you're like, Oh, no, they don't exist. I'm fine. No, no, I'm not fine. And by me
surrendering that now I get attachment with the father again. And so he's modeling first. What
does it mean to be masculine? What does it mean to be a man? He can hold, he's the prototype. He's
the prototype of what it means to be a follower of of himself, which is a crazy idea, but he's showing
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us. This is what it means. You feel it. You name it. You bring people into community with you. You share
your heart with them, which creates attachment, healthy attachment. You're praying for one another.
And ultimately what's the ultimate act? You surrender. You let go and you trust, which is so hard
to do. And you should say it's hard because it is hard because it is a man. Yeah. There you go. So you're
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your book in the middle, middle seat, middle seat, in the middle seat, in the middle. Literally what
all this is about. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I was, that's what I was wondering. Yeah. That was a time
of my life where I wrote that book. The tagline of that book kind of gives it away, but it literally says,
you know, stop craving platforms, start loving people because I was in a time of my life where
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unknowingly I'd been craving platforms. And I, I suppressed that and anybody who knew me would have
never been like, that guy just wants platforms. He doesn't care anything about, I don't think anybody
would say that. Yeah. But I think my heart over time started to see itself. You know, I got it,
I got it round enough people. I was like, I think there's something Ike in here. And rather than
avoiding it again, suppression, let's call that thing forward. Let's talk about it and that kind of
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birth the book. And you know, ultimately it's Jesus sat in the messy with people. He sat in the
middle seat with people. He didn't crave first class by himself with headphones in like I do.
He craved being in the messy middle with humanity and letting people lean on him and be with him. And
I think that's beautiful. And it's, it's a really hard way to live. And I have not figured it out
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fully. Sure. I am daily inching my way to go, God help me be more like you in this way. So what do you
kind of see right now as the biggest challenges facing men in their masculinity today?
To even live in that God given masculinity. And then how do you see like the opportunities to overcome
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those challenges? Oh, that's so good. Thank you for asking that. I think, I think the biggest
high level challenge we have for men, period is men telling the truth. I think it's one of the hardest
things to do as a man because we have so much cultural information. I call it cultural inertia.
We have so much coming at us that we're supposed to be. And it's hard to say like,
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this is what's going on in me. Like it's really hard to say that. Wow. I'm a inertia. Yeah, the movement.
It pressure. That's what inertia. Yeah. So there's a there's inertia coming in. And you're like,
hold on. Here's what this I see this. Yeah. I I hear you. It's there. Not denying all that.
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But let me tell you what what's going on in here. Yeah. And that's that's a big that's a
inertia. I've not thought of that. Yeah. It's like a lot. I like this is a term in psychology.
Oh, and so I didn't make it up. But it's been helpful for me because I think one, it's the telling the truth.
Yeah. I think when we tell the truth and we bring it to God and others, there's power in that.
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And what I mean by telling the truth is the deeper thing, which men don't do that really well,
typically, totally. And we don't we struggle. I call it struggling with the F word. We struggle with
feelings and feelings hold the greatest opportunity for connection. And I would even say growing
in fruits of the spirit. So if we're telling the body of Christ, especially men, hey, push down,
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suppress those feelings. What's going to happen is like a beach ball due to Smith, a friend and
pastor mind for many years. He says you push that beach ball down in the pool long enough. And what's
going to happen eventually, things going to push back or worse, it's going to explode down there.
And it's going to deflate. And so again, you see it exaggeration is going to happen or suppression
is going to happen. So how do we how do we get our handles in a world where we don't even have
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language as men for our feelings? Like we don't it's so hard. Like for me, my recovery began in my
early 30s. I call it recovery because I live so long not telling the truth about my own interior.
I was managing my exterior and I was avoiding my interior. And so this is what they would
call a performance addiction. And what that led to for me and to answer your question even deeper was
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a reckoning with my own world of feelings. And I was taught all growing up church maybe hopefully
not the guys listening, but I was taught that feelings were meant to be stuffed down. And we even just
would use words like, Hey, feelings are not your God. You need to follow Jesus. No doubt. Or in
worship, you know, it's not. Yep. Hey, you know, it's not it's mental. Yep. You know, there's a piece of
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that. It's true. Totally. Yet, yet, um, yeah, just hearing God and you know, it's all anyway,
it gets messy. Sorry. Yeah. It's really touched on something there because I grew up hearing God's
word and and and and and being taught the truth as as God's in errant truth, a man. But that seemed
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to be mixed with well feelings don't have anything to do with that. And some senses that might be true.
And in some senses, there's a beautiful piece in in just good Lord like it. What we don't always
get out of bed in the morning because we feel like it, but we but but it's beautiful when we when we
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when we have that knowledge that pushes us to the feelings of that's right. I cannot wait to get out of
bed in the morning to go and do mission. Yeah. And and so there's it's a not a either or. Yeah.
Well, I even think of Jesus's words. You know, he says, you know, when when when asked, how do you
sum up the law? Like Jesus's response is love the Lord while you're got love the Lord your God
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with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. He began with heart. He did not begin with mine. Let's
start with your mind. So we need to renew your mind. Now you didn't start with a renewed mind. He
started with a renewed heart. And we as men, especially in culture, especially in the West in America,
especially under our cultural moment where live. I mean, there's layers to this that I could keep
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going into. And then our history as a church. And I understand and I'll just be honest, like I
understand why the church for so long has been like, no feelings, surrender your feelings. But I
say it again, you cannot surrender, which you're not willing to see. So for telling people to surrender
their feelings, well, then they have to see them so that they can surrender. There's a sort of
ignore implicit. Yeah, see something you ignore. That's right. So you have to be willing to take
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inventory. And the problem is we don't have language for that. So it's like, I don't I sit with
men who are 65 and go for walks daily and I mean, coach many different leaders. And it's constant,
like they're like, yeah, I'm like, so how's your heart? How are you doing? And the response is always
the same. Man, it's been busy. Well, that's busy. And this isn't a feeling. What else is going on?
Well, I'm, you know, it's hard. Well, hard isn't a feeling. And they'll keep going or it's good,
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or it's good, or it's okay, or it's really rough, but it will be and they immediately turn it into
a good. And what I my role, I feel like in so much even in the church and in the spaces I occupy and
and maybe not even roll, but I think the opportunity I found in day to day life is just to mirror back
for men, the emotions that they should feel like giving them space to like just feel it. And so they'll
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say, my, my kids going to this thing and I'm like, wow, that's really scary. And they're like,
yeah, it is scary. And like, yeah, and it's sad too. Yeah, it is really sad. Yeah.
Man, do you feel alone in that? I would feel so lonely in it. I do feel alone. Why is that important?
Just so I can get them to feel emotions? No, because if we don't tell the truth about our feelings,
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then we don't get our needs met. That's scary because we are going to get our needs met somehow.
And this is where men get into toxicity, which we don't have to go into fully now, but that's where that
goes. And so I think we have a moment in time where we have to get men back to understanding the
role of feelings feelings are necessary feelings are feelings have a needs attached to them.
Like these are important things for men to learn some important things. I'm continuing to learn
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this constantly. I found a great ministry in town here in Nashville called Tin Man Ministries and
they they walk me through this journey and it helped so much. Tin Man Tion Tion is retrieving your heart
and they work with leaders all over the world. But man has been a game changer for me.
I love that. Well, so we've kind of gotten into that sense of what informs your masculinity from
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your faith. I want to dive into that intersection of faith and manhood a little bit more.
I feel really compelled. I want to share something. Yes.
Kind of to what you were just sharing there and it's funny how these things kind of happen.
So close together. But yesterday I think it was I I woke up and it had been the last several days.
I would wake up three o'clock in the morning and just have this overwhelming sense of like weight
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and guilt and almost like a temptation type of feeling. But it was like I'm asleep. You know,
like what's going on? I'm not dreaming anything. And yesterday I get up and I'm just walking around
and my wife comes home and I go, I actually texted her. I said, can you just pray for me? I feel
this awareness that something doesn't feel right. But I don't know what it is, but I am aware that
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there's something there. And it made me think of the Psalms when David is asking like, why are you
cast down my soul? Why do you doubt? Place your hope in God. And he's like you're saying he didn't
bypass. He didn't just go straight to you know, shut up and be good. Yeah, I'm going to be okay. It's
hard, but it's it'll be fine. It was curiosity like what is going on? I'm realizing for myself
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feelings are kind of like sensors. It's like a smoke detector or anything sometimes. It's telling you
something about what's going on. That's right. That's so in the world around you. But I didn't I would
have had you talk to me even a year ago. I would have thought, no, I'm good. I don't I just don't have a
lot of feelings about things. I think that's a lot of guys too. I agree. We we are very confused
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about. Well, Stewart, I that I mean, I know we're having a conversation here in its podcast and
there's cameras. Yeah. I just want to say thank you for sharing that. Yeah, man. Yeah. Because that was
super vulnerable. Yeah. And I think you're modeling in real time. Yeah, bro. Everything I'm trying to
say so much better than I said it. I planned it that way. You did. I knew it. But I mean that. I mean,
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I think you you're modeling. Hey, I'm I was feeling something. I was sensing something. You even
named it like some kind of guilt or you know, guilt says I made a mistake. Yeah. Like right.
Shame says I am a mistake. And so even the fact that you're naming like man, I was feeling this guilt
in my life. And I'm not real sure. I brought it to my wife. Somebody had trust. We pray for me in
this and we walk with me in that like that's powerful. And to me as a man sitting here now at 38 years
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old, I've been around long enough to say that's manly. That's strong. Like I admire you right now.
Like I don't I feel less lonely right now sitting in this space. You know, I mean like so in real time.
Like I hope the listeners and people watching too. Like I hope they felt that like, whoa,
that was real. Like they didn't script that. Like that's real life stuff. That's beautiful man.
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That's beautiful. Yeah. That that one of the things that I've learned I won't go on too much about it.
I could, but I'm not today. But from what I've learned that our our feelings often can be great
leverage for change. Like their gifts. They're they're brought to us as potential signposts of leverage
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of change. And when we push them down and ignore or just basically talk over them or act like
they're not there. So good. Then we we we have we ignore this this this gift of this leverage of change.
Yeah. And we think of fear. Can we give an example just so it's not so doing crazy. Yeah.
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More of us. Okay. So fast example fear. So I was taught the Lord didn't give you a spirit of fear,
which is so true and so biblical. But also he did give me the feeling of fear. And those are
two different things. So again, this is one way the church has been like, oh no, no. Fear all
fear is bad. No, it's not. Let me show you why. I have a nine year old son. Yeah. Justice,
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arrow, literary. He's a star row. Arrow is certainly. Come on. Explosions. So my son, if we're out in
the in the in the street in my neighborhood, we're playing football. And I hear a big truck coming
down the road. I don't see it. But I hear some downrollers come from I just kind of ignore it.
Now he's 50 yards for me because I got a good arm. Blink wink. And we're throwing together.
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And that UPS truck turns a corner. And all of a sudden my son sees it. Oh boy. What do I want him to
feel? Fear. Fear. Why? Because when he gets his needs met, which hears us needs in his fear,
protection, help, and refuge. When he gets those needs met, now he gets access to the gift of fear,
which is faith in wisdom. Wisdom says, get out of the way. So this is every feeling. Dr. Chip Dodd,
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it's in 10 man Jeff Schultz, some amazing leaders in our in our in the US. But especially your
Nashville did such a great job creating something called the eight feeling chart, which is what I
use for my coaching. And I use it my personal life. I use it my marriage. I even use it with my kids.
And it is a gift to help you understand that all feelings are necessary. They are neutral. And
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they have needs attached to them. Those three ends are key. They are necessary. We all of them are
necessary. They are little sensors, little lights. My buddy, one of my clients actually the other day
said, he's like, I've learned that all eight of these feelings are like commanders. And they go to
you before you go on the battlefield of life every day. And they go, all right, so when you feel
fear, this is what you're going to need to know. And when you feel sad, this is what you need to know.
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And when you feel lonely, this is what you need to and as you check in with these feelings,
this is what it means to live a surrendered life. It's not to suppress my emotion and keep trucking
until things get better because they don't always get better. Life is sad. Life is tragic. Life is
hard. We've all gone through hard things. And so these feelings become these amazing like teachers
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for us, teaching us how to surrender, how to bear fruit like Jesus. Jesus didn't avoid his heart.
Jesus did miracles. And then when gotten alone on the side of the mountain with his dad,
I'm like, that's an amazing why? I mean, you could argue, one, he just wanted to be connected. Yeah, maybe
maybe because he didn't want the miracles to create too much momentum that he would stop being
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sensitive. And so again, bring his needs to the Father, bring his heart to the Father,
and it constantly recalibrated his movement. You see him pumping the brakes on movement and momentum
and brand growth constantly where we live in a time where momentum and brand growth is,
is God. Follow that thing. Follow the inertia. Follow the move and God's like, that's not how my kingdom
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works. My kingdom doesn't work like that. My kingdom is a kingdom of submission, you being childlike.
So walking with Jesus is quite literally difficult because you're walking like Jesus. That's the
whole point of walking with him is to walk like him. And it makes it very difficult. I, some days,
if I'm being really honest, I hate it. Can I just say it like that? I hate it because following Jesus
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means I have to deny all the the inclinations and desires that rage in my heart. But here's the truth.
It doesn't mean I have to live without them being disclosed. Like I can say, God, I really want to go
here and do this thing. I want to write this thing. I want it, but I surrender not my will, but your will.
He's modeling for us. That's masculine. That's strong. He's a man who has dreams and aspirations and
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even vision. This says, but none of it's better than you. The moment my gifts are leading my journey
with Jesus, I think I'm in trouble. I'm in deep waters at that point. And I have been there. I'm
telling you, that's the beginning of addict behaviors. You find ways to put Jesus's name over your chaos.
And I don't want to live like that. I want to live free. He says all throughout scripture, you know,
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my burden is easy. My yoke is light. Like I want that life. What is that? And it doesn't mean there
won't be hard days. But man, when you're walking at the pace of Jesus, surrendering your heart before
Jesus, everything starts to make sense. Even if it doesn't cognitively, it's like there's this
internal buoyancy. And I lived without that for 30 plus years in my life, man. And I'm sad.
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I'm sad that I spent so much of my history doing things for God without God. And I wasn't always
without God. I would say he was with me, but that's how it feels. Like I did so much building without
realizing the whole thing was about becoming. It was about surrender. It was about being with him
and becoming like him. I have a friend who says it a lot better. He's like God, he says, God doesn't
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use people to get things done. He uses things to get people done. And so that's the journey of
being a masculine, strong man. He doesn't use people to get things done. He uses things to get people
done. To get people done. Yeah. Wait, what is the things to get people done? To transform you.
It's all the things we think we're doing for God. God's like, oh no, it's all for your development.
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Everything you're going through, it's all for your development. And we think I got to get through
this so I can go be everything. God needs me to be in culture. It's like, well, I think there's
a time and a place for that thought. But I think at large, he's a loving father. Yeah. He's like, I just
want to shape my baby. I'm still shaping to him and still shaping to him and I'm still shaping
to him and I'm doing this like heart work in them and they think it's all about the outcomes. But
really, it's just all about their internal heart. And I can fact that theologically time and time
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again, especially throughout the New Testament. That's so good. Wait, I'm in a study right now. We're
going through for Samuel. And the big theme is man looks at the outside, the Lord looks at the heart.
And I mean, that is exactly what you just described there. That willingness to recognize God's
at work in me until I take that last breath and cross into eternity. I'm being sanctified. I'm being
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transformed and changed and he's never not doing that work. It's always working. I don't like that.
Like he said, sometimes I want to say, no, today I think as a past, today just is a sucky day. And
there's no possible good that could come from this thing that's happening in my life. And
total. Yeah. In retrospect, I know that's always what's happening. There's always something good.
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Something. I lived from the perspective that I was building things for God and that God needed me
to go do all these incredible things and build movements and help people. I'm not saying there's
not some truth to that. There's some invitation there. But again, I think, and I say it to my wife
all the time, like I think there's days where I think more about my gifts than I do the one who gave
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them to me. And I think that's sad. Yeah. I think it's sad. The day my son is like, man, we got this dope
house. We got I got a pair of Jordans and I got this and I got dad and he's just hanging with his
friend. Like I'm going to be sitting there being that lonely dad sipping my coffee. Like I just wish
he'd come play basketball with me. And I think that's God. I think God's like son. I just want to
be with you. So to all the 20s, some things and 30s, some things. Listen to you're like, I've got to
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go build incredible things. Otherwise, I'm not significant. Like what if you already knew you were?
What if what if you were already the apple of his eye? What if there was nothing you would ever do
that would impress God? Because I would argue theologically, that's probably true. And so therefore
that the most beautiful thing to a father is when the son or daughter trust their father. Like
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trust. So all the things I'm going through are to develop faith and trust and dependence.
I was on tour one time with Jonathan Helzer. I was actually with Bethel Music and Jonathan
Helzer said something. Actually, his wife, Melissa said something in the room. I will never if she
was about to pray just throughout like a random line. And I'm sitting there like, what did she just
say and just wreck me? Yeah. But she said all of the work of the Christian faith is to mature
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into our dependence on Jesus. I was like dang it. I don't like that. And I know it's true. Yeah.
I'm supposed to be maturing into dependent, not maturing out of dependence. I want to be
the guy who got the trophy. I arrived and now, do it. Let's just get one pounder. We're going to keep
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it 100 today. We're going to keep it 100 with the PLT. That's what it is. It's because we want credit.
Dang it. It's because we want credit. Let me be more decent. I want credit. There you go. I want credit.
I want Tim and Stuart's. I want to be on more podcasts that go, wow, Pedro figured out how
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to do. And he A squared plus B's he figured wow, he's crushing it. He's just crushing it. And the
reality is why man, what part of me is still fighting for recognition and validation. And so you
could you look at them like, oh, that's dark and that's gross. Again, I go. That's that's that's
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I have some shame in that for sure. And I want to move away from you guys and telling you, but the
reason I'm saying it out loud is to tell the truth, right? Again, tell the truth. Bring it to God
and others. When I do that, I get my needs met and I've got needs in my shame that if I tap into
those needs, which we're doing that in real time, I get the access to the gifts of the game.
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And so again, it's a practice, right? And it's it's not it doesn't make me I think it's
scarier to live an unexamined life than it is to live an examined one. The examined one, at least I
know what I'm dealing with. It's like going to the doctor for checkups. I was like, Hey, you got
stage four bone cancers. At least I know. Yeah. At least I know what I'm up against. And now I can
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do what I can come up with a treatment plan. I can find the right team around me. I can deal with
my mental health around this, my emotional health, my spiritual health. I can get my affairs
in orders. If this doesn't go well, I can get my affairs in order. If this goes great, I can give
God glory and all things and suffering and sickness. And now it's like that, that's that's manly. That's
good. It is. The dude is like, No, I mean, I'm good. I'm fine. You know, if I just can get this,
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if I could just make this happen, then I'll be then I'll be then you'll never be like then. Yeah.
So again, if I'm if I'm thinking about the way Jesus to Jesus's process, his kingdom is processed,
the steps of a righteous man are ordered. They're in an order. There's process. The way, I mean,
look at the Genesis one account, like of humanity of earth of birds and see like process, everything
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details. He's in it. And so why, why is he not in, why do we think he's not in the process of in here?
And we avoid that thing because we're good for Samuel, like we're good at the outer. I'm really
good at image management. But you know what, I'm not good at sitting quietly in a room by myself,
taking inventory with God, calling a friend, Hey man, I'm seeing some stuff in my life that I'm
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struggling with. And I got some fear around it. I got some sadness and I've got some hurt from some
relationship or whatever it may be. Man, that's a strong dude. I just sat 24 hours ago. I just sat with
my brother in law. I've known this man for, I don't know, 20, probably close to 20 years or something
like that, right? And for the first time, we had like a real connective conversation. You know why?
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Because he was vulnerable. And I held space for his vulnerability. And I even said to him, like,
bro, thank you for sharing your heart with me. I feel closer to you and I feel less lonely. He was like,
bro, me too. And we left like hug. You know, normally it's high five. Yeah, bro. Hey,
he's he and it was like a hug. You know, you know, he's like, not weird. It's that's manly. Yeah.
You know, and I, I, I look up to him on a different level now because he was able to do that. But he had
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to go on a journey in his own life where he could get to a place where that was where he felt safe
to, to, to be vulnerable. Vulnerability is strength in the kingdom of God. It is not weakness. And we
need more men who are saying that right now in culture at large. And I think with a lot of the,
the decay of the church, and I would even say the decay of not the, not all mean of, of the faith.
I mean of the church and religion, which is good and healthy and it's sort of trimming the fat. I
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think we're seeing an opportunity for real men to come forward to really admit, man, I've got stuff,
I've got sadness, I got loneliness, I got fear, shame guilt, whatever it is, I've got gladness,
I've got an, and, and finding more relationship, more connection in their life than ever before.
I've got more friends now that I've done more work inside my own heart. Real friends, like 3am
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friends, friends who, when they move away, I just said a buddy, my boy out of move to DC. Brock,
I wet. My wife was like, are you okay? I was like, I've never felt like this before. And she was like,
man, y'all are really close. I'm like, it's not even that we were really close, all the we are,
we're close friends. Yeah. I'm feeling now, all these things that before I just avoid it, I'm alive.
There's like a river in here now. My river was iced over and I could only hear it when it was like
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really raging like faintly in my life when I was like really going through something or somebody
died or some some big grievance or some big pain or, and now like we cracked that thing open,
is it perfect? No, I still got some stuff in there, but like it's flowing and it's it's healthy,
you know, and it's beautiful. Again, I'm not I'm no masterpiece, but, but I've let I've let God
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another Zen man. That's a beautiful way to live. I was using all of your gifts, your your the pros,
the cons to what what scripture calls to recreate. We've been recreated in his image. I think we're
created and then we get a little messy and then we're recreated and that river starts to flow. And
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you know, we we if he's the the painter, if he's the sculptor, if he's the master artist, then
we it's so hard, isn't it to to give our our canvas to him to give our our ugly piece of marble
and let him start carving and and then let him chip away those pieces that don't you know,
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look like him and and without saying no, no, no, don't don't chip there. Don't cut that please.
Yep. Where we just become literally, I'm just seeing it like a very very very very very vulnerable
piece of of marble being handed to God and saying, you know, have have your way. What you you
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talked about vulnerability is a as a real true gift of of true masculinity. Where do you what
tell me an example in scripture where you saw that? It's all over. Okay, tell me vulnerability.
Man, there's so many. There's so I mean, the man with the withered hand, the woman who stretches out
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with the issue of blood and grabs the him of his garment. Read it yesterday. Yep.
The man who gets lower down into the ceiling by his friends. All of these are deeply courageous acts
of vulnerability to do something in front of other people because God said so as an active obedience,
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not even having enough relational equity with God, Jesus and the flesh to know, is this
too for real? But longing so deep. This is why needs are so important. Longing so deeply not to have
a hand. That's all what and then all of a sudden like his hand grows back the dude who gets his
ear cut off by by Peter and Jesus Humpty dumped these him back together and like all of these acts
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are vulnerable acts like of Jesus exposing what is like Peter exposed what was in his heart was this
rage and this anger for Jesus to protect him to love him. And Jesus shows his heart in that moment.
And all of these are different levels of vulnerability, different angles of vulnerability. You could
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think of it like a diamond. You could keep turning it for days and see all these different acts of
vulnerability. But at the end of the day, I heard a friend of mine, Nate, and I'm not going to,
I'm going to miss quote is so bad. But I wish I could remember it really as good as he said it.
But he said something me one time about, you know, being being vulnerable. He was like, you know,
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whatever the opposite, not opposite, but there's levels to vulnerability, right? There's the type of
vulnerability where we confirm what you see. Like right now you might be like, Hey, I see this in
you and that's really beautiful. And I'm like, Yeah, thanks man. Like that's cool. But vulnerability,
true vulnerability is when I hand you both something that you could use against me.
Okay. Now I've been vulnerable now you can't be vulnerable with everybody with that being said.
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You can't go everywhere and be sharing your deepest darkest stuff with everybody. But I think every
man in this, my mentor said this to me once he's like, every man needs Paul bearer six Paul bearers
to carry their casket. And it's a little morbid, but it's it's a beautiful imagery of like,
these are the men that if I go before they do, we're going to carry my actual body. And if they're
going to carry my body in front of my children, in front of my wife, then they should also carry my
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heart while I'm alive. And so I've got to have men in my life that know where I've been. They got to
know my proclivities. They got to know my tendencies. Good, bad, indifferent. They got to know where I'm
really strong in some areas. My gifts, they also know I have to know my shame and the things I struggle
with. And it's important why? Because when I can live in the light, as Jesus calls us to, I live
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lighter and I bring lightness into every space. And so if I can live vulnerable in front of a few,
then I get to live into purpose and passion, which is good. You want to live into passion? Passion is
the gift of anger. Jesus was, I'd say it again, one of my guys, one of my coaches, Todd Zinkes,
Todd Wemmer is at 10 man, actually, the president. And he said, Jesus was the angriest person who's
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ever walked there as Pedro. And I was like, whoa, no, Jesus is not angry. Jesus is nice and soft and
gentle. And he's like the gift of anger is passion, healthy anger. This patch we literally call it
the passion of the Christ. Mm hmm. Think about that. Jesus lived vulnerably passionate. He was
emboldened. He threw the tables, right? Well, he wasn't sinning. He was a man without sin. So he
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threw the tables. And that was his passion that we almost are like, well, he almost messed up there.
If he flipped them tables one extra turn, he's out. You know, he doesn't count. He's humane. He's fully
human. No, like he's showing this is what healthy anger looks like. And you got to have a few people
in your life that you can live honest with because they'll keep you from living a lie in front of the
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rest of the world. Mm hmm. That's good. I want to say one thing. Yeah, go for it. Then Stu's got
what we'll say for now. So the last question I think I read this, the scripture this morning about
the woman touching the hymn of of of gods of Jesus's garment. It was, it was reading the passion
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version. I've been loving that lately, by the way. And it has beautiful notes at the bottom. And it
mentioned it wasn't just the hymn. It was like the tassel. And that was even a bigger deal of
it. Like when she touched it, Jesus stopped and said, who who touched me? And and he knew. He knew.
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But he wanted her to know this one reason. But secondly, this, this, this, this wasn't in a footnote.
This was in the actual scripture where it, it, it, it mentioned that because he stopped, she had
realized that she was no longer able to hide. And it's that vulnerability piece where that you
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spoke of with that when we become vulnerable and where now you can't hide. And the not hiding is a
huge attribute of a man living in his, in his true masculinity. And who God created him to be because
the antithesis of that is to, is to, is to hide. And she knew when she, when she became vulnerable and
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touched him, that she had been seen. And that by that, by that act of, of, of faith and becoming
vulnerable of actually reaching out, because I'm sure she was taught to not touch rabbis. I'm sure
she was taught because she's bleeding in that culture. I'm sure you never touch, you know, but she
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did it and, and locked eyes with the creator of the universe. And, and, and, and received everything
that he had for her by her, now through her vulnerability and, um, beautiful piece. So just wanted to,
yeah, it was like one of those scriptural like rhetorical questions, man. Like you got to, because
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he's fully got fully man, you know, so you're like, you know, he already knew, he already knew how
this is going to play out. But the fact that he asked no different than, why did he, why did he weep?
Like we make fun of like this short as verse in the Bible, Jesus went over Lazarus. We're like,
but, but why did, why would Jesus waste tears? Yeah. Overlaid what he's going to do. He's going to
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heal him. Yeah. Like that's a, I would say, I was sitting there like Jesus, you're wasting your tears
on Lazarus. You know what you're about to do. So again, maybe God wasn't on the planet to prove his
godliness to us. Okay. Maybe he was teaching us how to be human. Oh dang. There's the whole thing was
like, let me just teach you how to be human. So all the theological people of the day who were all
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gathered around all the mourners that they had paid, they would, they would have paid people in that
culture to come cry to come be sad. Yes, he did. Jesus, like this is a man I love. You got to pay me. I'm,
I will speak the greatest story that this, this entire Bible tells, I believe is that moment. I
really believe that obviously the significance of Jesus dying, resurrecting is beautiful in the cross.
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But I would say it's one of the most beautiful human moments with Jesus that we get. And he calls,
you know, he's, he calls Mary through Martha because Mary is the one who did sit at his feet. Remember
the story? Yeah. He calls her through Martha. He tells Martha because Martha came out when she saw
the master arrive to be like, yo, if you would have come sooner, gosh, if you just would have come
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sooner. And then what is Jesus? Who is he thinking about in the story? He's like, yo, I'm here now,
you know, what's up? He hasn't, he hasn't told me he's going to heal anybody. Nothing. He says, go tell
Mary. I'm out here and I want to talk to her. Go get Mary. Swinney whispers. Go get Mary. Go
zen and get Mary's in there. I'll just draw it. Obviously new Jesus was there. She comes out. And
that's when we hear Jesus wept. He literally, when we hear these scriptures, he's a manual God
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with us. He's close to the broken hearted. We hear these as like cliche, wait, yeah, yeah, yeah,
no, no, no, he practiced, he practiced feelings with humanity. He was showing us. He's restoring,
who's restoring to us back heart and what it means to live from the heart. Now, because he wept,
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now we get the resurrection in Lazarus. Okay. Because of Jesus doesn't weep, then he's not fully
manned because a man would weep. He's got to weep. Again, he's showing us how to be the greater Adam,
the greater David and every story, the greater and it's just is mind blowing to me because I would
have been like, I would have been Peter said, I'm like, Jesus, you waste the HTO, the H2O right out of
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your eyeballs. Don't do that. Like, don't cry. Like, you already know you're going to heal this dude.
But instead, he's like, I came to show you that I care. Not just that I can cause a miracle,
but that I actually care about every human in the story. The ones watching, the ones around the
tomb, the ones who are getting paid to be there, the Pharisees that are going to hear about this and see
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it from afar. Mary and Martha and then my boy Lazarus, I care about the whole scene, every little
piece of the puzzle. And so, man, I think that's the invitation. Wherever you find yourself in the
scene of something like that, it's like you could be the furthest away from following Jesus or
you could be like, man, I'm all in. I'm following Jesus and, you know, whatever it means to be vulnerable,
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I'm in like wherever you find yourself, Jesus, like I'll meet you there if you'll come to me honestly.
If you'll come to me, honestly, everyone who came to Jesus with a need, honestly with a need,
was healed. But anyone who wanted to intellectualize with him and tell them he, they thought he did.
All right. Yeah. Okay. All right. Your heart's far from me. Your heart's far from me.
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And that was me for a long time. So I relate to the Pharisees. I'm like, yep. Next episode, we're
going to have you back. I want to talk about this heart piece. Yeah. That's a real that I want to hear
all about. Let's go. I'm ready. I hit me as you were sharing that. The reality of faith itself is a
very vulnerable thing. And I don't know why I never really thought about that. But I used to, I was
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raised in a Christian home, knew the gospel, but I would get in these conversations with people when
I was like a teenager. And I would feel so nervous, so vulnerable, so afraid. And I was like, oh,
it was because it was a very vulnerable thing. Because now I actually have to say, I believe this.
I confess this. This is a piece of my life that I'm sharing with you. And you may reject me.
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Like you said earlier, it's a risk that they could use this against you. Faith is very much
a big part of that. So that I love that you shared that. I wanted to end with just a
couple little questions here. It's for the listeners, for the viewers. You have faith. It seems you've
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really focused on integrating that into every day, a moment of your life, you know, whether it's your
job, whether it's coaching, whether it's your your children or your marriage. What kind of advice
would you give to the man who is struggling right now to be real, to be raw, to actually live out his
faith and integrate that in his life? Well, yeah. I mean, first I would say you're not alone.
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You know, this is hard. Like everything I'm saying right now has been, you can say it. A
lifetime in the making, but for the last five years intentionally, I've lost a lot, dude,
along the way. This is not easy. I've lost money because of healing, opportunity. I've lost
relationships. But also what I've gained is far greater than any of those losses. Yeah.
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Because when you get connected to in here and you stop performing your way through life,
there's so much freedom. So anybody listening here's like, dude, how do I like practically
take some steps? I think that was kind of the question. How do I practically do that? Like,
there's beautiful tools. Obviously, I do coaching. This is what I love to do. So if there's
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interest in that, awesome. But there's also some great, yeah, there's some great. I'm not trying to
pedal my stuff, but there's great organizations. There's great leaders out there doing some great stuff.
If you got a hold of nothing else, excuse me, if you got a hold of nothing else, I would say get a
hold of the a feeling chart. It's free and get it online. You can go to 10manministries.org, I think,
and find it. I would say get a hold of that. That work that Dr. Chip Dodd did around this. I think
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is it's the best I've found. And I've been doing therapy since I was like literally,
think I started a 13 years old. And so I would just say like get, get a hold of some of that.
It clearly maps the emotional sort of realm, the feelings biblically based. Like, and again,
that's the key. There's a lot of information out there, but there's not a lot of transformative
tools that are based in the Bible. And this work is. But I think, yeah, I think it starts with
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stillness. Yeah, at the end of the day, it's like, when Jesus said, be still, know that I'm God.
There's some truth to that. Like stillness is a powerful thing. Blase past gal, he talks about
back in the 1850s. He's literally like, you know, some of man's greatest problems are that he can't
just simply sit in a room alone. He just can't be alone with himself. I think we clarify so much
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of who we are from an identity perspective, we could just take some time each day. If that's three
minutes, five minutes, start your day with stillness journal. Like, these are things that I grew up,
the, oh, that's soft. Girls journal, you know, they lock them up with a key and then lose the key.
And it's like, now, like, it's good to reflect. Jesus talks about that. The proverbs, so much
proverbs is about remembering, reflecting, inviting. And so, yeah, I don't think we have to make it
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complicated and hard and difficult. And I think seeking out, I call them me too, guys, you know,
that when you share your heart, be sure to little bit of your story, you have to be fully vulnerable.
You share a little bit of vulnerability that they, they don't respond with, oh, I pray for your
brother. You're going through a lot. Like, I walk away from that. You're not my guy. You're awesome.
And God's doing stuff in you too. But like, you're not my guy. Yeah. My guy would say, to me,
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to share my heart would say, like, man, me too, dude, I'm going through that too. And dang. Yeah, me too.
I've been feeling something similar. I mean, we kind of been doing that on this. Yeah.
And there's connection in that. There's a rawness in that. And then also it doesn't elevate any one
person. Like, y'all are interviewing me right now. And that's cool. But if we sat here long enough,
you'd be like, we shouldn't be interviewing this dude. Don't know nothing. So, and that's good.
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There's health in that of like, we're all just, you know, at the foot of the cross, the ground as
levels they used to say is like, we're all just on this plane trying to figure it all out. And
hopefully there's something good in it. But find friends. Get still. Be curious about your own heart.
And if they're shame and guilt and fear and all of these feelings, like, that's okay. Like,
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bring those to God. Bring those to some other menu. Trust. And watch God work because you're
going to find so much strength in sharing. And when you, when you share your heart with somebody else
and they go, I thought I was the only one. Yeah. I didn't know you were feeling that too. I thought
it was the only person who's ever felt it. And you're like, okay, now there's like this layer that
comes off. And there's a safety. And that's something you have to farm. I call it farming. Like,
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you have to farm good relationships. It's like, it's like a vineyard or it's like a farm. You have to,
it takes, you have to till the ground. Get the soil ready to bait it. Yeah. You get the cold
way. It does not happen overnight. I wish it did. Good God. But I spent a lot of years trying to find
those dudes. And it's been, I would say I'm at a pace right now. I find one due to year. So you think
that I'm around a lot of people really? That's one dude a year. That'll fill up your six. I'm not there
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yet. I'm not there yet. So, um, but yeah, I think don't, don't make it, don't make it scary and
complicated. Just take a small step in the right direction. But you got at some point, make the
choice of I'd rather live known like truly known in relationship, uh, then to be known out here. Yeah.
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I'd rather be like a connected human being have real people in my life, real bros, real men,
then to just be known by a lot of people. And that's what I have continued to come back to is like,
that's, that's the goal of my life is to truly be known. As a chibdad says, you know, to get to your
funeral one day and a lot of people are crying because you were known by them and they knew you. Yeah.
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I don't want to, I don't want there to be a dry eye in that place. I want them to be weeping not
because of I was spectacular because they knew people aren't going to be a cry. Well, I mean,
if Elvis does and you loved his music, you might cry. Yeah, that's the destiny. That's like the
fame thing. Different thing. But to be truly known by a room full of people where they, they share
stories about one time we went to that thing and we were talking. He said that and you said that.
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We were crying and we were laughing and then we were in that waffle house at 3 a.m.
What we did smell like grace when you walk had a hair in my eggs like, you know, like, but really,
really known. Did I spend a lot of years being busy and didn't have known and now it took me
slowing down to really fine connection with myself, God and others. And I'm still learning how to
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reintegrate now back into work. And it's like it almost feels weird. Yeah, and that's a whole
another part of your story. Yeah, you're you on a journey. You lost some of that by going on this
journey and that's that you're becoming more healthy and whole and et cetera. Now you're able to
go on to that that that that potential same area where you were with brand new tools and brand
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new strength and stability. But it's worth it. Absolutely. That's what I'll say. It's worth it.
So you've mentioned a lot of tools. Yeah, first of all, I'm going to have to listen to this
episode again. Yeah. You said some beautiful things. Prepare for me personally, just beautiful.
What we like to do here is remind you've mentioned a lot of tools where men can go and and do
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those things. And we're going to so hopefully you do those guys. We also have some tools for you
at standupdude.com website. But we always start with if it you know, these tools will help you a lot.
But we always start with if you're going to be the man you created to be to know your creator.
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That's first to start with that. That's that's that's that's that's
a step one. And Pedro for the men that have been here, maybe they've listened. This is their first
time or they've listened numerous times. Tell them how tell them where to start. Tell them how to
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start that start today with Jesus. Oh, with Jesus, elevator, Jesus. Oh my gosh. Yeah, man.
Well, I just go to the Bible, you know, it's understanding that what we carry as broken creatures
of a fallen world is we carry sin and the wages of that sin is death. And there's no way around that.
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The gift of God when we confess our sins, the gift of God is eternal life. And Jesus makes that
clear. Anyone who calls upon my name and turns from his wickedness, his way, his will, his desire,
his inclinations, he gets salvation. He gets in that's not just salvation. And eternally,
it's relationship today. It's not just the kingdom one day. It's the kingdom brought down to earth.
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And you know, you can do that as simply as is I think a prayer helps us do that. There's no magical
prayer. I haven't memorized the magical one. I don't think there's one that exists. But Jesus
models it for us in scripture by just simply saying, Hey, call upon my name and you will be saved.
And salvation looks like intimacy, not just like a transaction. And I think that's so important
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in our world today. It's not just, okay, so now I got to go to church and I got to read and I got
to do all these things as I got to do. It's like, no, no, he did everything on your behalf. He laid
his life down a ransom for you as the perfect son of the living God. And he gave his life so that you
could be seen through God's eyes as a child of God. And that's the gift flipped it completely. He
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changed the whole thing. And that that's that is the the fundamental work that all of healing is
based upon is it's an invitation ultimately from Jesus to say, if you want to be well, if you're sick,
if you're hurting. So what what qualifies someone to come to the foot of Jesus? Nothing. Absolutely
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nothing except for his invitation. Because if it wasn't for his invitation, we could not have
relationship with God. And so I would just encourage anyone who feels that prompting, I would say,
it's probably the Holy Spirit. If your heart's speeding up right now, if you're driving, you're like,
I got to pull over. I would say then do that. And then confess with your mouth, believe in your heart.
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And Jesus says, you will be saved done, sign seal delivered. And then now take some practical
steps to get in community, get in the Bible, get the Bible in you more importantly. And don't go into
performance mode of what you can do for God. Go learn about what God has done for you through Jesus.
Yeah. That changes everything. Jesus is the one who empowers us and motivates us the Holy Spirit
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with in us. Yeah. I love that man. Thank you so much for sharing that. That was amazing, powerful.
Well guys, thank you for watching the Stand Up Dude podcast in listening. And today, Pedro, thank
you for being here with us. We really appreciate it. We're looking forward to the second interview we're
going to be doing with you and digging a little more into your life and learn a bit more. But
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man, if this was all we got, this was amazing. This was so good. I appreciate it so much. If you guys
want to reach out and talk more, learn more. If you have questions, you can reach us at
dudes@standupdude.com. Send us an email there. You can find us obviously on social media, YouTube,
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drop us a comment below the show, like, subscribe, share the show, whatever things you want to do with that.
And all the social media, including TikTok, which is currently in a state of being available and not
a bit back and forth. But I think it's going to, I think it's going to make it. But did you have any
in-one add? Also just add that there's a beautiful tool for you guys 24/7 to be able to talk to a man
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in real time. Write it at the top of the website at standupdude.com. You'll see a chat button.
You can connect there 24/7 and just be heard and understood and know that you're not alone.
They will pray with you and please utilize that anytime that you need it. That's why it's there.
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We referenced as Pedro did so beautifully. The scripture says, "When you call upon the name of the Lord,
you shall be saved." The Lord means boss. When you make God the boss of your life,
just by asking by humility. As you mentioned, the ground at the cross is level. We all come in at the same.
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And we leave chains forever for eternity starting today. You can also find that beautiful prayer.
If you'd like to do that at the website standupdude.com. You'll see a, "I'm ready for more." Right at the top
button. And if you are a Christ follower and you want to grow more like him, there's a button there
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called "Be more at the bottom." We love you. We're here for you. Thank you, Pedro. You've done a
crazy great job. Man, I love where you've been the last four years. Since I've seen you last,
I respect you. I admire you. I celebrate you. I applaud you. That's what I do. Thank you.
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Guys, thank you for being here and share this beautiful podcast with your friends. Thanks, guys. Take care. See you next time.