441: ECW Wrestlepalooza '97 Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's up everybody out there into that land and welcome
to episode four forty one of the Straight Shooters available
wherever podcasts are found. My name is Vaughan Johnson and
I'm joining as always by my main man, Pots and pants,
Nippercona Fox, PHL That Gambler and Crossing Broad What whoa
the latest edition to cross on Broad Nick pecone, y'all?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
What about that?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
And we are back here on the Straight Shooters with
another fantastic episode of the show. What are we doing today?
It is a deep dive. We're back with a deep dive.
We're diving deep into a show that you know, kind
of plays into current events a little bit.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's a little show called Russell Palooza.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
But no, it's not a WW show whatsoever, because that's
never been a thing. We're diving into ECW Wressell Palooza
from June of nineteen ninety seven, which emanated where in
good old South Philadelphia, Swanton and written a twenty three
hundred or not then twenty three hundred arena ECW Arena.
We're gonna dive all into it because of course we

(01:15):
got Wrestle Paloza from WWE this Saturday and why that
show happened because they want to counter program. That's what
they want to do. They want to count aw But
before we talk about anything else wrestling related, it's been
a while, y'all, and we're back and we've missed y'all.
So we got a lot of stuff to catch up on.
So I got to do my checking my main man,
pots and pants, Nick, how are you, my good brother?

(01:35):
The newest edition to Cross Abroad.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I mean, hand up, it's my fault that we haven't
recorded every month. But we're back and we're better than ever,
maybe I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
And better than ever.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
But yeah, man, it's mid September finally, things quite quieting
down a little bit, and you know, we got the
Eagles going, we got the Phillies going, we got stupid
ass eighty degree weather going. And listen, man, I told
you before we went up started hitting record. I'm glad
we didn't record after the week after our last podcast,

(02:12):
our last show, because the Phillies were swept in City
Field by the Mats. So I probably would have had
a few choice words to say on that show that
would be making me look pretty bad right now.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, because a lot has changed in the whole world
since last time we recorded so much it's happened that
we can't cover enough ground here on the stret Shooters.
We'll be here all night talking about all the things
that have happened in the world in the last what
a couple of weeks since we've recorded at least.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I think or August seventeenth, so.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
We talked about month eighteenth, so just slightly over a month,
and so much has happened, and the world is in
so many different places right now. But but we here
talk about good things here, like pro wrestling. Is that good?
I don't know, is good in some ways?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Not all?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
But yeah, the Phillies, you're twenty twenty five National League
East Division champions for the second straight year, back to
back division titles, first time since twenty ten to twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Whoo.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
And they did it by pound in the Mets after
getting swept at Hitty Field, they swept the Mets her
as Citizens Bengk Park, and that was that was the
end of the race. They didn't clinch it that particular series.
They clinched at a couple series later, just recently in
LA against the Dodgers. They could have did a Sunday,
but that didn't happen against the Royals. I was waiting

(03:39):
for that. Instead, they clinched at one o'clock in the
morning in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I know. That's the frustrating part because I could not
stay up for that, so I had to pretty much
watch everything after work and the following day, so I
was a little behind on that. But fun time all round.
They partied like it was twenty twenty two man in
the clubhouse. That's what I love to see. Like the
tempered celebrations. The last couple of years after twenty twenty

(04:06):
two were like okay, like all business, and that didn't work.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
So, I mean it was a pretty big celebration last
year too, I.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Mean not as pretty good, but not I felt like
the vibes weren't there last year the way they are now.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
You think vibes are back.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean, the vibes are here. I don't know if
they'll lead them through. I mean, I hope they do.
But it does feel a little October twenty twenty two ish,
as I wrote in my latest on crossingbroad dot com.
So I do think this is a little bit like

(04:42):
I'm tempered, but I'm not as tempered as I was
last year. You know, like twenty twenty three felt like
the year, so you know, look past that. Last year
it was kind of like we walked backed into the
playoffs again as one of the best teams in the
league record wise, but they were like five hundred, you know,
the last half of the season, so none of us

(05:04):
were truly excited. A lot of us wanted. I didn't like.
I wasn't afraid of the Bats. I'm not afraid of
anyone in the postseason, because if you don't have it,
you don't have it. But man, the mess just had
that magic last last fall Setember in October, and it's
like grimace. Yeah, and they were one strike away from

(05:25):
losing to the Brewers and being eliminated from playoff contention.
So Pete a Lonzo hit that like home run in
the ninth inning, two outs, two strikes, and that that
was catapulted them into the series with us. And it's
kind of like, damn, like that one pitch and just
I'm not certain the Phillies would have beat the Brewers,

(05:46):
but they probably wouldn't have rolled over the way they
did against the Bats. Rolled. That was just a wild
sight to see so I feel like they kind of
eased us a little bit with their since really like
the middle of summer, I guess All Star break, maybe
even a little before the All Star Break. At the
beginning of the year, they were a little like, eh,

(06:08):
kind of felt like a carryover from last year. But man,
they picked it up a sore All Star Game MVP
man with that showing, and I think it was like
since then, these guys have just been on a terror,
just went in series. I think they've won thirty they
were thirty three. They did win thirty three series. I
believe that was against the Royals. So if they beat

(06:28):
the Dodgers two out of three, so it could be
their thirty fourth series win. I might have that wrong,
but they have already set the record for the most
series wins in this season, so wow, and they're doing
it for the Phillies. They had the Phillies, Yeah, like
there were I guess their previous record was thirty two,
so I think thirty the thirty third one was the record.

(06:50):
If not, maybe it was set against the Dodgers, I
don't know. But they're also playing like really good baseball
without their ace, Zach Wheeler, so yeah, I think those
are like the things that we look at, We're like, yeah,
like this team has a chip on their shoulder the
way they didn't exactly have on last year.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
That trade deadline man as opposed to as opposed to
last year, but it didn't help them at all. This
one actually helped them.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, quite a bit, quite a bit more than we thought.
We all love the Duran trade, but the better one
was kind of like and he didn't start out that great,
but I think being able to play him in center
every day, move Marsh to left every day, and have
the platoon with Nick and Max Kepler is the best
outfield they could possibly have the way their roster is constructed.

(07:38):
So you know, it's been helping them out down down
the streetch You got Bryce and Stott coming up big
with some big hits that we didn't get last year
or even the year before. You know, it's definitely a
different feeling. I feel bad because Zach Wheeler can't pitch,
but hopefully he'll be around the team and hopefully that'll
you know, gives them an extra edge to go out

(07:58):
and know is pour it on you know when they
I mean, when they face good pitching, it's it's tough
as it is for any offense, but when they get
to you know, if you get past that and you
still have like half a game to play and getting
that bullpen, they're mashing bullpens. So uh, just kind of
hope it carries over the playoffs. But they're going to
face a lot of good pitching in the playoffs, and

(08:21):
that's the one thing that I'm kind of like a
little worried about. They're not the only offense that struggles
against good pitching, but man, they look brutal sometimes, like
they look like they can get no hit any night
when they face like an ace. So it's uh, you
know they almost did against Oatani.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
The other night and miss a lot.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, and their trace rate was good at the beginning
of the year, it was like, Okay, they're doing things
a little bit differently, but really since like May and
June that that chase rate's going way up and it's
just like they're just but again, they're mashing more than
they did last year too, So I mean it's almost
like a pick your poison type thing. He either got

(09:02):
a mash or not, and that's how this team wins.
You know, their pitching is not going to be perfect.
Their bullfends certainly isn't going to be perfect. But it's
not a better position now than it was at the
beginning of the season.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yes, it'd be and and the thing is the Phillies
they had Alvarado too available to'd be like, oh, we
feel even better about the bullpen. Uh, you know, before
you get to Duran. But them starters if they go six,
generally that's what they usually go on. The Phillies still
they go six, I mean, get to middle relief. Middle relief,
isn't it's pretty good now, not bad so as opposed

(09:37):
to last couple of years when he put like Oryan
Kirkering in like middle relief and he was.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Like, all lady or a life inning And it's just like, yeah,
he's not that guy. You know, you gotta keep him
or I mean he could turn into that guy for
sure down the road. But for now, they bought time
with that Duran trade. They definitely bought time for Kirkering.
So if like he was eventually gonna be their closer,
at least he's got like three more years to yeah,
you know, working out because.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
There's it's dram and Kirkering and middle relief, and yeah,
you got something now because Strama can be a he
has closer ability, but he just doesn't He's not as consistent.
It's like at the RAN. So if you can get
you three or six outs, that can win you a game.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Right, did huge? Huge? Your defense is better now. Your
defense is better than it was last year. The batter
being in center, Marson left and Tray's out, Like remember
trade Turner's hurt.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
That is true, that's another bat you can get back
at some point.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Probably his best season as a Philly for sure this
year and hopefully you know, when he had the hamstring
injury last year, he came back and he just wasn't
the same Tray as before he got hurt. You you
just obviously hope that he's the same Tray when he
comes back this year. According to the team, the hamstring
trains not as bad as it was last year. So

(10:55):
we hope that he'll be back. You know, hopefully next
week he can get maybe a week or a few
games at least under his belt before the playoffs start,
because I don't know if they'll wait till the playoffs,
because I don't know if they want to just have
him wait and then go in right away with like
a playoff series game one type thing, because who knows
how the body can react to that. But yeah, that's right,

(11:18):
Tray Turner, There.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
You go, There you go. Also, the Eagles are two
and zero, So good time in Philly sports if you're
a Philly sports fan.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
If you were paying I mean listening to a lot
of outside.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
But I can't I can't help you with that.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I mean, I don't mind it.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
What what what is the thing that they said? Whatever
it takes?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
How long have we been potting for a team that
if they could just like get the win, an ugly
win like move the next week. It's week two. But
they look the same way last year exactly through. You know,
early in the season they had no pre he'son game like,
it's the starters in play. It's like okay, like I

(12:05):
I kind of expected a slow start. It is what
it looks shaky.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
But they still didn't give up seventeen points.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Now I know, yeah, I gave really.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
One big play and forced another big play like force
the turnover. So I don't Yeah, I think that it's
it's two games. There's not enough time for anybody to
get indicted on almost anything in the NFL. Usually usually,
I mean there's some teams you know that like the
Browns they're terrible. But remember last year when the Saints
with Tino and people are like, oh man, they're gonna

(12:37):
be a threat in the NFC. And then they lost
to the Eagles fifteen to twelve or something.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Because they scored a lot forty plus points both both
the first games against.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
The Carolina and the Cowboys and everybody whoa watch out
for Derek Carr and the Saints, and they they scored
twelve points at home because the Eagles grinded them into dust,
but they did everybody else in the fourth quarter, so
and the Eagles got it right. So yeah, just take
it just Eagle fans. They're the best team, guys. They're
the best team. As long as they stay healthy. They're
the best team on paper. So they're going to beat

(13:06):
a lot of teams. This is what it is.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Literally, everybody that put out like their predictions, their schedule predictions.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Had they all had to lose.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Kansas City exactly had one.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Kansas City because you figure you go into Kansas City,
it's a revenge game, you know, in the arrowhead, it's
a tough place to play regardless, then you're coming back
after you beat them in the Super Bowl. Good luck
and they won. That's a tough that's a tough, tough win.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Bro. Three wins in a row against Kansas City, that's insane.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Nobody does that against it. As as as Josh Allen,
how many times in the row he's beating Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I think Burrow is the only other quarterback to beat
the Chiefs three times in a row.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
That's crazy. Joe Burrow asked Josh Allen how hard it
is to beat Patrick Mahomes and any in any big game.
It's hard, It's really hard. The Eagles have done it
three times in the row. So there are other things
to worry about besides two to ozer football team. Okay,
there's so many other things.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Their schedule is so tough, and yeah they play it.
It is a game against the Rams that don't be
tough this weekend, but but they're.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Also the better team generally, so like it's there. These
are tough games with the Eagles, but they're even tougher
games for the opponents generally. The City Eagles in the
schedules are damn d we gonna play them this week.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Get ready for a fight. Every opponent's super Bowl is
when they played the Eagles, so obviously want to match
up with the best team in the league. Again, so
far the league is zing too.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
People also don't remember that they also had a tough
schedule last year.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
They did, they did.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
He had a tough schedule last year. It played like
five I think four or five playoff teams. Played Tampa,
the Rams to the Rams, I guess twice. But they
play them in the regular season, played the Packers, uh
played who else? Did they play? Steelers, Ravens. That's five
teams that was in the postseason and the Bengals nearly
made the postseason. She's talking about five, maybe six teams

(14:57):
that wasn't the playoff last year that they that they played,
and the Commander is twice. So that's six, at least
six teams that they played. And they wind up playing
all those teams to get in the playoffs and beating No.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
That is crazy, you know, Like I didn't even look
up a stat but like I don't remember a Philly
team in the playoffs facing already I should say Eagles,
I guess. Because football, you don't play every team but yeah,
like beating the pack like opening this season against the
Packers and like ending their season.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
We love it.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's crazy. So time will tell. There's still a lot
of time with the Eagles. And they get the Rams
at home for the first time I guess since the playoffs.
But get them at home. There's no snow. Remember the
last time they didn't? Maybe we played the Rams last
year and it wasn't snow in the ground and they
beat them like thirty seven to twenty, Like it wasn't
that close to it really wasn't that close. They going

(15:53):
had two to fifty five, Like it really wasn't that close.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Snow.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Now, they got two great receivers, they got Pooping and
the Cooper Devonte Adams, but you know, and they got
great defense. Rams are a really good team, don't get me wrong,
But you know, the Eagles are a really good team too,
and people forget about that. I think people forget how
good the Eagles. I think we're just I think Eagles
fans are so like used to not being in this
position right that they're just thinking that way, like there's

(16:18):
somebody better, there's somebody better that our catches and it's
like maybe not, maybe not, And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
If they have a hiccup, they usually come back pretty
damn strong.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
And they're gonna lose a game this season, y'all. They're
gonna lose a game. They're not gonna be undefeated. I
can tell you right now. They're gonna lose. Most teams
typically in the regular season lose two or three games
at least.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
He already had them losing at least one game through two,
So so we're that loss is gonna come somewhere. Just
be prepared for it.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
They're gonna they lost three games last year. They lost
three times last year, so it's alright, it's gonna be alright.
Let's talk about some current day nonsense when it come
pro wrestling. Though, You ready for this, let's go. You
ready for current day modern day wrestle Palooza Saturday as
we record this on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Not really, but I like the logo. I think the
logo is cool, but I really don't care because I
don't know how I'm gonna watch it.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of other people. I
think you and a lot of other people are in
the same boat, because that means you have to order
ESPN Unlimited app for the smooth price of thirty dollars
a month. Now that's like a you could do a
bundle though, So if you got Disney Plus, you can
bundle up with Disney Plus. And I think Hulu as
well comes with that, which hu is gonna get absorbed
into Disney Plus, I believe soon. But yeah, so there's

(17:41):
a bundle and you know, you get this stuff there.
But all of a sudden, ESPN is just pumping out
all this wrestling content. It's so funny to see. It
really is jarring. You got Cody Rose on first take.
They I just saw on Instagram they resurfaced the Becky
Lynch ESPN commercial words I completely forgot about and it's
not one of their best commercials. And be totally honest

(18:02):
with you, they got some great sports and the commercials.
Becky Lint's is fine, but I was like, I forgot
she even did that, and they brought that back out
because they got to promote In the copy, I said,
watch Wressel Palo on Saturday, y'all. You know, So it's
really this is gonna be a really interesting time for
a lot of wrestling fans. Uh. It starts with wrestled Palooza.

(18:27):
How much are you willing to spend to watch w
W pay per views every month? And are you willing
to spend it along with ESPN, especially if you're not
a sportsman. Now, if you if you get the Disney
Bundle or whatever, you got Disney Plus stuff so you
can watch some Star Wars, you can watch X Men
and stuff like that. You know, all that Disney Plus stuff.
You watched Goofy. I liked Goofy movie, that was dope.

(18:48):
I have Disney Plus right now. Honestly I watched a
lot of Gordon Ramsey stuff on there though, so that's
what I watched.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Reruns there you go, But we haven't used you wrestling.
I mean, I don't remember if we if it was announced,
but will be less it was, but like even just
moving to ESPN quicker than anticipated. It was supposed to
be more twenty twenty six, but the rollout and just

(19:19):
nobody knew it was like, okay, well, if we have
ESPN the channel, will it be on there or like
our Exfinity system, if you have Exfinity, you have the
SPN app on there? Can I watch it through there?
Because I'm already a subscriber to Exfinity, and apparently you
can't or I guess we'll find out if any that changes.

(19:40):
But I even reached out to Exfinity just because I
wasn't sure, and they were like, oh no, you have
to order the or you have to subscribe through the
app and everything to watch, And I was like, well,
then what's the point of having cable Like you were
people were saying, Hey, if you're a subscriber, a cable subscriber,
you'll be able to watch it the free, like no

(20:01):
extra charge whatever. That's obviously not the case, at least
from what I was told. Now, maybe the customer service
agents were also not sure and they have a certain thing,
and maybe the information they were given wound up being
wrong at a certain point, but I just I don't
The confusion stemming from this is maddening. If you're making

(20:24):
a move this big and moving these shows to ESPN
and people are confused about where and like where they
can watch it, not great.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, I agree with you on that the rollout hasn't
been smooth whatsoever, with people still aren't sure what to
do of how to order this, and I think it's
still just unsure of whether they want to do it,
and also it's kind of getting rushed out there for
a show that's also getting thrown together, like this is
not a show a typical show in a WW calendar. Obviously,
they haven't used the name Russell Baloza since they owned

(20:58):
the ECW, which originated us a Paloser, so they just
unearthed this name through the show out there so they
can get on that. I guess ESPN's app as soon
as possible, and they've just they put some big matches
on the card though. That's the thing about it. So
some matches, some matches you might want to see, maybe
not at all, but some right at the top of

(21:19):
the card. Apparently the main event he got JOHNSENA and
brock Lesner.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I don't know. I don't really want to watch that.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, it's one of those matches that I don't really
care about that much, and it just they haven't really
done a good job of making you care neither. I
don't think they've done a whole lot to make us
care besides brock Lesner splitting his pants last week. But
I assume Johnson is gonna win. But I also don't

(21:50):
really care whether he wins or lose this, Like, I know,
he's only got so many appearances left. I don't know
what they're gonna do with Brock beyond this. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
It just feels like they got a recognizable sports name
to go on the top of the card along with
John Cena. Like Johnson is obviously a mainstream celebrity at
this point, brock Lesner is a name that rings bells
with the MMA audience that is already on ESPN, right,
it already checks out ESPN, So I guess it makes
sense from that standpoint, But as far as within the

(22:25):
WWE universe that we're so swept up in, I don't.
I'm not really here for it personally.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
No, they both were like not even on TV after
Summer Slam for like two or three weeks. It's like
they Brock came out five Johnsen at the end and
then didn't hear from either of them for weeks. It's like,
what are they doing? Like I feel like they're they're
at a point where, oh, they'll just tune in because
we're WW and it's like, I'm not so sure that's

(22:54):
going to sustain.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well, we'll see it starts Saturday with Russell Palooza. Also
in the car Card WW title match, Cody Rhodes versus
Drew McIntyre. Uh, Cody retains. I'm assuming, but that's a
thing that's happening, you know, out of kind of not
really out of nowhere, because they did do the angle
where Drew McIntyre kicked Cody through the announced table. I

(23:21):
mean he had to film that movie. He had the
film Street Fighter. It's Colonel Guyle bro fifty cent ball
rog and Roman Reigns, who's also not on TV now
is a Coomer.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
If you're not gonna watch that, right, your immortal Cambat guy,
I'm gonna couple.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I'm gonna watch it. I like Street Fighters as well.
I saw the original Street Fighter movie where Jean Claude
van Dam back in the day, come on now, talk
to me. Jean Claud van Dam not an American but
playing an American soldier with his with his accent in
the movie.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
But never saw that.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Surprisingly, man, if you want a deep dive into the
Street Fighter the movie, I will look for a wrestling
tie in tonight, okay, because it is absurd and it
is bad but good at the same time. Also on
the card. We got Eo Sky and Stephanie vacarafying for
the w W Women's World Championship, the vacant Women's World

(24:14):
title because it's vacated because we didn't get the chance
to talk about this fully. But Naomi is pregnant, y'all.
She is caution there is a baby on board because
Naomi is pregnant. We haven't had a chance. We kind
of speculated about it the last show. We kind of
had an idea, but it was announced after we went

(24:34):
before it went on a little break.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
There was yeah, Monday after we last recorded.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Right, and she cut a great promo and cut the
best promo I've ever heard from a pregnant woman in
wrestling for sure, and made people will yearn to see
her return. And I don't know a year and change,
so I think that's literally what she said, a year
and change. So but yeah, good luck to on me

(25:00):
and Jimmy usso big Jim putting the work out there.
See you's the big Jim, she said, y'all. Lucky Big
Jim did this.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
He's because he's just trying to help his brother in
l A night get along.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Mann's stressing right now, man a lot going on in
his life. Speaking of Big Jim, him and his brother
j Uso are reuniting against Bronson, Reed and bron Breaker,
and for now, ja Uso is a little angry little
guy right now. He turned it back into bloodline. Juso.
He's just mad at the world. It's like, you need

(25:35):
to get back to f t W title and can
get that from a W and walking around with a
black Towe overs here. He like got that tazent the
g about him. Uh so we got that. I don't
I don't know what's gonna what's gonna happen there? Uh
I feel like Bronson reading Brown Breaker from winning a
lot lately. Maybe the USO's win. I don't know. Oh
my god, oh my god. Brother sibling strife again, we

(26:00):
do whosos and lastly, but not really the least obviously
in this car we got to see him punkin a
j Lee. She's back.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
She is backing double randomly thrown together. Oh hey, I
am here.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
She is to go against seth Rawlins and Becky Lynch
in a mixed tag team match. The real life married
Couples are.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
The last time we recorded was before a clash at
Paris and that's when Becky I guess, officially joined SETH
by interfering. And now it's literally not even a month later, Uh,
Punk and AJ are facing them. So it's like they
didn't They just didn't build it. They don't want to
build anything anymore. I guess the ESPN was the goal.

(26:50):
So now the stories don't need to be I guess
not all of them obviously. Ever, you don't need every
single wrestling storyline to have a slow burn. But it's
like they don't have any burn right now. It's it's like.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah something, Yeah, they're definitely uh that's what they would
call wrestling hot shotting, going from one thing to the next,
kind of quick to like capitalize on the moment and
capitalized at the like I said, pretty much the moment,
and and also on the money that they get to,
Oh they paying this, get with them whatever they want, uh,

(27:24):
and create this big moment, bring Block back, and bring
a j Lee back. And then like after a while though,
like after Wrestle Palooza, you gotta tell some stories. You
gotta start building to the word rumble or maybe before
that War Games Survivor series.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
What Paul Hayman did in nineteen ninety seven after Wrestled
Palooza ninety seven, Man that that company had a lot
of things set up set for the future exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
So, yeah, it's gonna be an odd fall. I think
for WW, I don't know where they're going with a
lot of things. It's like, if you sit here right
now and ask me who could challenge Cody Rhoad's potentially
Let's let me step back, who could win the word
Rumble next year?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
I don't is it right a bron breaker?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Is it seeing Punk?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I guess, yeah, I guess right now.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
For the women would win? If it would it be
Stephanie Vicaire, I could be I could see Stephanie Vicare
being that person.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Brown would be my two choices, if you know right now?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Because who else is there, at least on the men's side,
Like I think of a couple candidates maybe on the
women's side, but.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Like, who who's next?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Who's the next w W champion?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
John Singer?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Is it Logan Paul? Like I'm really going back to
Logan Paul being a w W champion at some point,
maybe in twenty twenty six, maybe he wins the Roar
of Rumble that I can see it happen, and do
not rule it out. You think about they think they.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Care about viral moments.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Now, man, Logan Paul went in to rumble and making
wrestling fans upset. They'll be showing the streamers, you know,
they show the streamers reactions. Now they'll show them pissed.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Off throwing stuff at their computer.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh man, oh, I can see it now, I can
see it now. So yeah, it's it's kind of a
strange directions on their head.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Oh they love that. Oh my god, it's it's logan
Paul sou. But moving on to more news, more just
what's going to happen now news WrestleMania. You know, the
show that used to be.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Affordable most Case of the Immortals is now the show
case unaffordable.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
That and the show that was supposed to take place
in New Orleans in twenty twenty six and maybe maybe
Minneapolis in twenty twenty seven, it's not. It's going to happen,
of course, in Little vag in twenty twenty six and
in twenty twenty seven. For the first time ever, it
will take place outside of North America. Traditionally it's been

(30:09):
in the United States and Canada. But now it is
going to Saudi Arabia in twenty twenty seven. There's a
lot to unpack here. Obviously, for one, not North America
for the first time, which is not really a problem.
I don't think that's an issue to me. I don't
know how you feel about it, but to me, I
don't mind. I don't mind other countries. They have fans there,

(30:33):
they deserve to have these shows. I think my thing
is that they, for one, is only for the money
something like they're going because they have this like rabid
fan base in Saudi Arabia. I'm not saying that there
aren't fans there. I'm sure they got great fans there.
But you know, Wilson got good fans Europe and they've
been they literally teased it in the UK. It was

(30:54):
last year when Johnsen is like, what if we get
a WrestleMania here, let your voices be here, and then
they had meetings with the London mayor talking about yeah,
future opportunities, and it's like really like it felt like,
oh man, this is this ball is moving forward and
a good direction for the UK. And you know in London,
I guess have enough money yet not yet? And yeah,

(31:22):
a lot of people feel some type of way about it.
The thing is, though, what's gonna I think the biggest
thing is that like a lot of people who have
gone to WrestleMania every year won't be able to period, Like,
they're not gonna be able to afford that flight. And
that goes for not just fans, that goes for content
creators and media people who routinely spend I'm sure a
good chunk of their annual budgets going to WrestleMania because

(31:45):
that's a peak time for them to get content, and
they're not gonna be able to get that content. I
don't know how many people have a trip to Saudi
Arabia and their budget. Most media companies do, not, right,
and who knows what that's gonna look like in twenty
twenty seven, especially given where we are right now. So, yeah,
your thoughts on WWE going to Saudi Arabia for WrestleMania

(32:09):
forty three.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I'm not that surprised, I do think.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Well, no, not surprised at all. I shouldn't. I should
also say that this has been building. I think we've
even said this on the podcast, like, don't be surprised
if this happens this is the next logical step. They
got to war rumble that they're gonna get to WrestleMania
at some point. But I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
The deal they signed, what was it twenty eighteen, the
ten year deal was two events per year. I do
think it mighte bode well better for the white bode
well better, like bode Well, bode better. You'll get it,
you'll get it, boded it better. No, I'm just not
gonna say bode it might be better for talent because

(32:49):
I think travel could be Maybe that's part of the
reason they're doing instead of going over there for you know,
they're gonna be going over there twice anyway, why not
make it one of their big shows instead of you know,
going there in between maybe a big show and then
like a B show or something between WrestleMania and Money

(33:10):
in the Bank or something like that. Just go for WrestleMania,
make that, you know, that first quarter or like first
six month show in Saudi Arabia and then you go
back and fall.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
You think they care about the talent when it comes
to this, the.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Travel would be surprised if they pull the talent, Like
would you be like pulled the talent? I mean like
this when I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Since when they took the money, pulled the exactly, say,
but they're giving us millions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
These are different people in charge of a deal that
Vincent man.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, and these people are very much about the bottom line.
They are way more about the bottom line, e Vince,
even though Vince was very much about the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
They're getting his money anyway, though from Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
They're going to get more for WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I think that saw Arabia had to cough up even
more money than what they outside of the deal they
already have in place.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
True, it's not it can't be. This is part of
the deal that they already replaced. Because you got to think,
if you're moving for WW you can put this show anywhere, right,
So you put it anywhere in the States, you're pulling
in one hundred million dollars at least from the town
and from ticket sales, merchandise, everything else that comes with it. Right,
So you're pulling in hundreds of essentially hundreds of millions

(34:26):
of dollars. Saudi Arabia has meant to pay for that, essentially,
like we're gonna we stand to lose some of that
just simply because we're going overseas, the same dedicated fans
are not going to be there more than likely, so Saudi.
I'm sure Saudi Arabia had to pay for that in
some way to make up for the potential loss of
leaving the States for the first time, leaving North America

(34:49):
for the first time.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
It's also a year before about alleged that ten year deal.
I'm assuming I don't think there was an extension to that.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Well, right, twenty twenty seven also represents I think three
hundred years since Saudi Arabia became like a like a nation, So.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Three hundred they're older than us, well.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
The countries are. We're one of the young ones. We're
going through our teenage years right now, rebellious teenage years.
We got the Emo haircut and everything what we want.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, like, I mean, I just think you hear talent
like liking how things are going. Obviously maybe not recently,
but you know, the morale was up for a while,
maybe not so much now, but who knows. I don't. Yeah,
I don't speculator, and I don't know any behind the
scenes type of thing except what you and I read

(35:41):
that everyone out there reads on the internet, but I
don't know. It just it makes sense to have, you know,
one of their shows over there during the ten years
when you haven't had one the greatest rold Rumble doesn't count,
but you really haven't had one of the big five
shows over there. And I'm sure that's what they wanted

(36:01):
in the first place. And I don't know if Vince
ever was going to do that before he sold.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
But look, they gave him enough money he probably would have.
They said, hey, we want to pay you, I don't know,
a couple hundred million. Vince probably been like, yeah, let's
do it. He likes money. Still, at the end of
the day, I don't think the opportunity to me listedly
came up. Maybe they weren't ready for that yet in
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty and twenty one, twenty two and
all that, when Vince's still around, maybe they went quite

(36:28):
ready for that yet, but they would have got ready
for it. And Saudi Arabia's lit in that check like
come on now.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
He you know, he just got criticized by one of
the one of the spokesperson's a TKO like making the
take a prices like family prices, and yeah, yeah, he
pretty much did, which is outrageous. That's I guess why
I say that, because I'm not entirely sure if Evince
would have brought one of those shows to so.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
He may not have, I do. I do understand what
you're saying that Vince had a different philosophy or certain things.
He as much as he's a capitalist, as far as
I want to make as much money as possible, and
I will use any means to do so, he also
had some sort of vision outside of money, of what
he wanted the product to be, outside of just being

(37:16):
a money making machine. Obviously it was very much the
goal to make it a money making machine, but he
also wanted the families to still be a part of
it somehow. And I think he saw himself always saw
himself as like that poor kid from North Carolina, grew
up in a trailer park, and I think that was
maybe part of his rationale for making it that way.
And you have to remember, Vince built the product to

(37:37):
be family oriented, so like, if you want to present
a family oriented product, he just catered to children, Well,
bring in the kids, and the kids can't come by themselves,
so that's two tickets now at least that it has
to be spent. So but again still wanting to make money.
Mark Shapiro, who's the one who said that, Like, we're

(37:58):
not gonna base our ticket pricing off Vince McMahon's philosophy.
I don't know how he grew up, but I would
assume he didn't grow up in a trailer park in
North Carolina for the first thirteen years of his life.
Also does not have that same vision for what wrestling
and what his products should be. He does not care
what division is. I don't think I would assume so
as much as division is, make as much money as possible,

(38:21):
Like that's whatever fits that vision. Let's make that vision happen.
So here we are, Saudi Arabia, twenty three, twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Summer Slam and money in the bank. I mean Survivors Series.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Maybe, I mean WrestleMania is the biggest one. So those shows,
I mean they do those shows. It's like whatever, but
like it will be interesting to see how ww what
cities they go to, just in general, because they're talking
about like how cities got to pay for them to come. Well,
what city is going to do that? Is Des Moines
and Iowa going to do that? Is you know Louisville,

(38:56):
Kentucky going to do it? Is you know somebod these
in size markets to.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
See wrestle media in the college football stadium.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I mean, yeah, it would Knoxville, Tennessee pay for that
at volunteer Stadium where the volunteers play Tennessee University of Tennessee.
Or but like these small towns like not even like
for big shows for like Raw and SmackDown. They're talking
about that. So like would Philly be on the table?
Is Philly gonna pay or whoever that would be a

(39:25):
part of that? Is that the tourist bureau, the I
forget the name of the the sports commission that brings
events here, is that the city is that Comcast spectacor
like whoever that is. Are they going to pay the
money to bring w W into town? They were just
here in August, so I don't know when that was

(39:46):
scheduled and how that was done. But moving forward, how
is that gonna work? What cities are they going to
go to? We'll see. I will say that I'm sure
that there's a lot of cities that used to get
w W shows an annual basis already don't because they
just have less shows. And it'd be interesting to see
how many more cities get added to that list, uh,

(40:08):
because I'm sure that's already the case, because you know,
I remember, you know, Dave's WW would run house shows
sometimes two three in a night, and shows that Grand Rapids,
Michigan would get w W shows even if it wasn't
the best show, was still a show, right, they got
some live wrestling of some sort Cheyenne, Wyoming or something
like that, like all these small towns in Middle America, Mississippi,

(40:30):
right Corporates, Christi, Texas, you know, like Green Bay, Wisconsin.
You know, even like a Trenton, New Jersey or something
like that, or Newark. You know, they got the Prudential
Center up there. All these cities that may not get
pay per views, but they get raws and smackdowns all
the time.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
What even what the State College and the Penn State. Yeah,
I don't think they've gone there quite a while.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I don't know, I don't know. I don't recall the.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Were there for the first draft show, I believe in
twenty two thousand and two. Yeah, so I remember, like
was it the rock that bathe them chant that zuck Man,
was it a hole? We are Penn State, and then
they did it if you are an a hole? That
was great.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
That's good. That's good. That's good stuff, Penn State. That's
good stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Right this, that's why the Rock should come back. But
he's not going to.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Well, he probably will for that wrestleming you forty three
in Saudi Arabia because they talk.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
About we're gonna get a rock, big name. At that point,
Oh it cares too late, No one to give a crap.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
At least four years too late. Because we were thinking
about it Wrestmen of thirty nine. Then it did. We were like, oh,
maybe wrestlming your forty, and then nobody wanted it the
wrestm in your forty. So we're going to get past
WrestleMania forty one and forty two, potentially forty three when
the Rock. I don't know how old The Rock would
be in twenty twenty seven, but he's gonna be obviously

(41:48):
well into his fifties.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Don't give them time. Never read that that muscle.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I would gonna say, you also jumped dropped a bunch
of weight.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, for recently, So look at that it's like, I
guess they do that.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I mean, yeah, because he he can't. We've already talked
about this. The Rock was too big to play a
lot of roles. It's huge, Batista slung down exactly. You
just you don't want like not everybody looks like you.
How can you play a role when you're three times
the size of everybody else on screen? Like it's it's insane.

(42:20):
But you know who won't be at Wrestlemenia forty three
at least as of right now? Andrade, how about that?
Because he has gone from WW unfortunely at least for him. Uh,
and then not under his volition. Apparently it was a
WW decision. There's reports, I believe from John Albert from
Sports Illustrated said that there were some uh wellness policy violations.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Would you have we ever heard a.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Lot about the wellness policy and the last like five
six years. It's interesting that we hear about it all
of a sudden. But apparently he had some transgressions even
I think back before he got released the first time.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Uh, and then it popped up again, which I'm not
going to speculate what it's for. I just know they
don't chest for marijuana anymore? Do you know that?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
So, I don't know what the wellness policy is flagging
these days, but you know, remember back in the day,
it was weed a lot of times, and people would
get popped for that and they'd sit down for thirty days.
All of a sudden, like where do they go, Like, oh,
I never had it.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
But it's kind of crazy. That's what Debrail Rob van Dam.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
In hindsight is pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
We were all like so ready for that moment and
then that happened. It's like, oh, same old w yep.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
But Andrade going from WWE. Uh, they didn't do much
with him in AW and for some reason, they just
didn't do much with him in WWE, And I don't
understand why. When they had they when he was an NXT,
they they did something that worked and it gave him out,
gave him a mouthpiece, and it worked at least in NXT,
and they just never tried it again somehow, And it's

(43:52):
just like why not. You think he's good, You think
he's somebody that can help you gain traction with the
fan base that you don't really serve that much. I
guess at the Latino fan base, you could serve them more,
and yet they just didn't really do much with him.
So who knows what's next for Andrade? Where he goes
from here? Maybe he goes back to Mexico. Maybe he

(44:13):
goes to CMLL. I think that's where he was from before.
I guess Triple A would be out because they're with WWE,
but I'm pretty sure he came from CMLL so and
that's affiliated obviously with AW two, but they're not like
directly tied exactly where CMLL is still its own independent promotion.

(44:36):
So uh, maybe CMLL is next. That's where he came from,
That's where he made his name, that's where he became
a star. So maybe that's his next form. But I
would assume AW is not what's next form because he's
been there, done that. And also TNA is a minor
league feeder system now for WW so you assume that's
out too, even though it's possible, but I would assume

(44:58):
that's out. So maybe, I mean, CMLO is right what
a lot closer.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I know, like what's even happening in Japan? That's this point.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I mean, I don't know, but also being CMLO is
a lot closer than Japan.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I mean so, but.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
We'll see, Uh what's next for and Drade moving forward? Lastly,
current day nonsense. I just mentioned AW we we had
a residency here.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
We did, and we have a show that's opposite Wrestle
Pal Loser that I actually totally forgot about. Yeah. All
the whole reason for wrestled Pals is just a counter
program this show.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, look and look look at how that worked out.
Like it worked. We talked about wrestl Blues at the
top of the show and not AW All Out taking
place not Saturday night but Saturday afternoon, so you got
a full day of wrestling if you're if you're a
wrestling fan, Yeah, if you want it, Uh, three o'clock
start for All Out. It will be on at least

(45:54):
on HBO Max. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be other
places too if you want to stream it, but it
is apparently aw's first paper view. Just dream on HBO
Max Order River right. I'm not sure you might have to,
but I don't want to either. But I have HBO
Max as well, and honestly don't watch it enough. I
should watch it more because I pay for it. Uh,

(46:17):
but yeah, All Out the big draw here for me
is the reunion of Christian Cage and uh Cope Adam Copeland.
They're going against FTR.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Cope. But I'm just like, I can't be.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I mean, that was his name and this for a
little bit, I don't know if it's still his name.
But we got that. Eddie Kingston's coming back against Big Bill.
I don't know what's gonna I don't know how exciting
that is, but that's what's gonna happen. Uh. But yeah,
Hangman versus Kyle Fletcher for the world title. Uh and
if anybody from the down Kyle's family interfears Fletcher will

(46:55):
be stripped of the A W, T and T title,
so high stakes mats there and we got I matually,
I wish it was one on one, but it's not
because I understand why. But Okada Taqushta and Miss Guerre
Dorata for the aw Yeah, unified championship, but I still

(47:16):
don't know what that means, so silly honestly, But Ocada
and takeush will be nice, but you know, Dorada is there,
probably take the pen but that's probably what's going to happen.
And is a four way ladder match for the AW
Tag titles. We got a lot going on here, Broddo,
the current champions going against the young Bucks, Jet Speed
and Hetcheesero and Joshon Alexander of the Don Kallas family.

(47:40):
So four way ladder match or latter war as they
would saying ring of honor, But I don't know if
they want to do that in a w But also
you got tables in the thumb tacks, tables and thumb tacks,
Mark Briskow and the MJF and the Coffin match, Darby
Allen versus John Moxley. Lots going on there on all
out earlier in the day. So again full day of

(48:01):
wrestling for everybody. Uh but again AW Residency, twenty three
hundred arena for the last I think it was two
and a half three weeks. They just wrapped it up
last week. I was there for a couple of shows
down in South Philly.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I was.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I was for a couple of shows. It was a
it was a fun atmosphere. I took my wife to
the first I think the first Dynamite and she's she's
not big in AW but being in person, she's like,
you know what, I get it?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Now?

Speaker 1 (48:30):
There you go?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Now you understand why people.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Like it, and it's a it was a it was
a fun atmosphere in person, I should say, I don't
know how it came off on TV on every show,
like I did watch the shows that watch that.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Oh well that's fair, but I mean not on purpose.
I was just it's it's been a crazy month. I
did have it on, but I was just so preoccupied
that I didn't even really get to, uh like take
in whatever was happening on the screen. So gotcha, you

(49:04):
know it was on, but I just didn't pay attention.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Well being there for I went to Two Dynamites and
a Collision. All three shows were fun to be I
took my took my daughter to the show, to the
Collision show the last, I think the last Collision show
they had then it was the last night of the
whole residency and that was a lot of fun. Also
got to interview the wrestlers. You can see that on Philadelphia.

(49:28):
Inchoirys Sports Instagram was this Philly What is our handle?
I run this thing every day and don't remember the handle?
I created the handle, nick I created it and we
copied it for the food account, and I still can't
I can't remember. I know it now. It's Philly Philly,
Philly Ink Sports.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I was gonna say that I was, I really was,
but you got it before I could.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Philly Ink Sports would just crossed thirty thousand followers. Also
follow off food account Philly in Food also over thirty
thousand follows. Look at this wooing. Some on Instagram shout
out to the spokes at the Inquirer, but uh, we
got some other big stuff on your horizon. To keep it.
Keep your eyes out, keep your eyes looking, because we
did it collaborate. Aw recently with that video that was

(50:17):
talking about with the interviews with Kyle Fletcher Speedball Derby
who mentioned that there is a Fourth of July skate
park party every year FDR Park. I don't know if
you knew this. This is a skate park at FDR Park.
I didn't know that, but apparently every fourth of July
it's like a big, big event where all the skateboarders
come out and there's fireworks everywhere. It's according to Darby Allen,

(50:39):
it's a lot going on. I never heard of this.
Darby Allen knew about it. He's not even from here.
So I'm about to check this out. Yeah, he said
he's been there. Yeah, he was there. I interviewed him
in person. So check out this past year. Oh I
don't know if he was there this past year. He
might have been getting ready for me. He climbed Everes.
Yeah yeah, that and he climbed Everest, So he may

(51:00):
not done it this year, but uh, he's apparently done
our recent past.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
He's apparently done it in a recent past, and apparently
it's a wild time. So if you if you're familiar
with this, hit me up tell me about it. I
would like to know what it's like.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Skate under the fireworks.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
He made it seem like there's fireworks under the skateboards. Yeah,
shooting him out is a lot going on. He watched
the video. He talks about it again. Philly Inks Sports.
We did a collab with AW, so shout out to
a W.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
They're really uh they're really nice to us and really
gracious with the Inquirer over that time, So shout out
to them over there. But uh, yeah, a W in
the residency. A lot of fans obviously came out. I
think all them shows was pretty much sold out. I
know the Dynamite. I think one of the Dimond dynamite
Tone in two is definitely sold out.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
They also had the issue with the union down there.
I don't know if you saw that, the stage hands union. Yeah, yeah,
we did some reporting on that. I don't It didn't
seem like it really affected the show. I think they
just went on like they wouldn't ordinarily, but every show
that I went to use because let me just lay
this out for people who are unfamiliar, twenty three hundred

(52:10):
Arena is on a block where there's mostly there's not
a lot going on. All Right, you got down the
street the south.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Board like a Vegas strip, It's not like.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
No, this is the opposite. Uh. You got a Yah
South Bowl, which is like a high I guess sort
of high end bowling alley.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Uh, then you got Federal Donuts. I think it's down
there now, I think so. I think, I know I
saw a sign one time. I think Federal Donuts in
that area at least. And then across the street from
the twenty three hundred Arena is I think it's I
can't remember the full name, but it's Ayatsi Local eight

(52:49):
twenty four oh one South, So Swanson Street where twenty
three hundred Arena is twenty three hundred South Swanston Street.
They are literally across the street from each other. It
is the stage hands union that's in city and nothing
happens in this town stage hands wise without this union
being a part of it. Right and Philly, if you
didn't know, it's a big union town. It's a lot
of different unions, carpenters, cement, you name it. There's a

(53:12):
union for it. And they don't play games. Okay, they
will picket you tomorrow if you mess around. And apparently
AW and the union didn't see how to I and
the union picketed them every day and including with an
inflatable rat outside the arena as well every day. So

(53:32):
that was a thing. I'm not sure if it again
it really affected AW. That just kind of went on,
which you know, take that as you will about their
stance in the unions. But yeah, that was also a
thing that was happening. It's a lot going on down there,
a lot busier than usual down to Swanson and Writtenah

(53:53):
August right, it ain't nothing going on down there, not usually.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Just paying at touch to Eagles and Phillies at this
point pretty much.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
But it was nice to see that the good brother
Blue Meani man, he was down there. Uh, got a
sense to see him again. Actually took a photo of him.
I haven't been posted it yet.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
So post that. I will post it. Take it easy
for my guests a couple of times. Actually his appearance
on here was the catalyst for the mind of the Meanie.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yes, it's always it's always good to see Blue Meeni.
It's been a while, Stu, I've seen him. Shout out
to Blue Meanie.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
And I got to stop down mccuskus to have a
drink with him at some point, at some point.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
So he could hold his oldest calls and.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Hold his calls. I'll take his calls. Hello, this is
Blue Meanie. What you need. He's having a he's having
a picture. Can't call him, can't talk to him, see
you later. Uh, but yeah, good, good, nice and hospital
down And also shout out to Adam Hopkins to pr
person for AW as well, formerly of WW now of AW.

(55:04):
So it's good to see him as well. Speaking of
Blue MIENI, speaking of the twenty three hundred arena, are
you ready to dive deep? Until a show that didn't
really feature blue Mini, but it featured the twenty three
hundred arena, the ECW Arena.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I am you know, we we this show wasn't available
on Peacock or Netflix it was now, but we watched
it and I thought it was worth it. So I'm
like excited to dive into it.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
We got it in all of its glory. So if
you are ready, let's dive deep into Recipalooza nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
No opening video package.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
That's okay because it says ECW, and they didn't have
opening video packages. We got a copy of this that
was pretty much the home video release. So you just
started off with a screen that said Recipalooza from June seventh,
nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Seven, y'all.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
And and it begins.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
It looks so it's such nostalgia. They'll seeing that.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
And you posted it on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I saw the of the yeah, which is like that
was their copyright like thing, the way you see like
the wrestling shows that now with the copyright or all
rights reserved or whatever.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Yeah, it says wrestle for one. It looks like the
like something like generic graphics like on a game show.
Almost looks way too professional for ECW to be totally honest.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
It looks way too calm, It really did. It looks
way too calm and.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Right clean, not dingy and dirty enough for ECW. But
this is what they had to work with as far
as the graphics package in nineteen ninety seven. Not only
is in ninety seven everything right, And not only is
in ninety seven, it's also ECW said the budget is
quite limited. But it says in you know letters, Wrestle
p Loosa ninety seven, not nineteen ninety seven, ninety seven

(56:59):
The Apostrophe June seventh, nineteen ninety seven, copyright ninety seven.
ECW home video looks like you're about to watch it
like some type of what do those videos called, these
infomercial videos from back in the day where they're trying
to sell.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
You something on there. Here's how you use a thigh master.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
That's what this looks like. But this was ECW and
Wrestle Palooza for nineteen ninety seven Extreme Championship Wrestling. The
show emanated, of course, from a Bengal hall at the
corner of Swanson and Written in South Philadelphia that was
dubbed the ECW Arena by a little Renegade promotion known

(57:38):
as Extreme Championship Wrestling almost at Eastern but at this
point they were Extreme Championship Wrestling. And yes, that Bengal
Hall the Corner Swanson and Ritster Swanson and written theer
in South Philadelphia is indeed an accurate description because that's
what it was like. It literally was a just a
big building in South Philly, not only a big one

(57:59):
neither just to build that they ran shows out of.
So all the things you heard about it are true
pretty much. We're obviously familiar with the building, and like
I just said, I just spent multiple nights down there
at during aw's residency, got to shoot some content. So again,
check it out on Philly in sports, Instagram, uh and

(58:20):
all the other platforms. Who got there. But as much
as we talk about the building itself, like what is
this building? What is the actual structure of the building?

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Where did it come from? Like it's a separate building, right,
it's attached to it's still attached to like other like
stores or whatever. Wasn't it before I think Modell's was
down there, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Was something like that? Yeah, at least there was like
a building with I remember I think it was forman mills,
but I don't. I don't know if it's still connected
or disconnected.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I don't like into that, right, So that's part of
the arena, now, yes.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
I think, so where the I think where the bar
and the bathrooms are maybe, but I don't. Again, I
don't get me the line. I honestly don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I haven't been there in years either, So well, yeah
you have, but I haven't.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah, but I have many times. But still I don't
know the structural history of it. But what I do
know is that it was built initially as a warehouse
to store It was a freight warehouse. That's according to
my research as to what this building was initially, but

(59:37):
it was also a place. Eventually it became a place
where the mummers, the local mummers around there. For those
who don't know, the mummers are like groups of people
who play music and they have clubs and this is
the whole thing. They do a parade on January first.
It's a thing in Philly and Seth Rolands came out
of WrestleMania forty had the costume that was the Mummers, right,
big Philly thing. But it's almost like I sort of

(59:59):
I'm not saying it's the same as one to one,
but when I was in New Orleans, it reminded me
of the Cruise for like the parades. That's I think
on a much larger scale than what the Mummers do,
but sort of sort of the in the same veins
in some respects. But again, this is not a wrestling
venue whatsoever. It's just like a space. It's like a

(01:00:19):
warehouse in South Philly. But beginning in nineteen ninety three,
Eastern Championship Wrestling as it was known then they started
running shows there because there's probably the cheapest space they
could find within city limits. Like right, Todd Gordon obviously
he was like a jeweler, I believe in in the
city and he just found this building that I'm sure

(01:00:41):
didn't cost that much. And again, within within city limits,
it's not super hard to get to. It's pretty accessible
considering what it is like. Uh, but it's it's right
there in the city. It was never meant to be luxurious.
This building is never meant to be a luxurious venue
for wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
But there was never really any any real upkeep either. Right,
The place was a dump for a long long time.
It's been renovated since fortunately and now it's known as
the twenty three hundred Arena because it's located at twenty
three hundred South Swanson Street. But it's still not luxurious.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's not luxurious, not the best,

(01:01:23):
most high end building in the city. There's even an ECW,
a bloody EASW mural in the men's bathroom still to
this day, so that just says like this ain't like
the most high end place in the world, but it
is still miles ahead of what it used to be
because there's air conditioning first and most of it, which

(01:01:46):
was not the case back in nineteen ninety seven in
June O Stinky. In there, there's a little there's a
bar you can get a drink while you're watching the show,
and while you're booing Wheeler you to in an aw show,
there's a concession stand you can get some food and
apparently all the technology that you need to run a

(01:02:08):
nationally viewed and run television show like AEW dynamite. So
the lighting is they got lighting trust in there. They
got obviously all the wires and cables you need and
everything else. You can load in, load out the whole nine. So,
but back in nineteen ninety seven, though twenty something years ago,
twenty eight years ago now, it was still very much

(01:02:30):
a dump. And like you said, it was early June
and it's hot. I can only imagine how hot it
was inside the building because it looked hot outside the building,
I'm sure. And like I said, it probably smelled bad
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
That's a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Probably a bunch of sweaty dudes too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
And the flyer I know the Stanley Cup finals were over,
but probably people wearing a lot of Flyers gear like this,
hockey sweaters.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I did see a guy. I did a guy in
a flyer sweater. Why long sleeves. There's a reason why
they call them sweaters because they're not light. They're not
actually sweaters, you know, like you know, like a knitted
you know, cashmere sweater or something like that, whool, but
they're they're not. Yeah, and long sleeves.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
So but this dump was the hub of a product
that was burgeoning at the time. Right, ECWS go ahead, just.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Thirty seven my favorite year in pro wrestling. This shows
kind of like maybe the quit essential ECW show that year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
So much going on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
E CW by the way, two months removed from his
first ever pay per view titled Barely Legal, which was
also held at the ECW Arena.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Available in the archives.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yes it is. We did a deep dive on that
with Blue Meenie. How about that Go check it out.
It was a good time as always with Blue Meanie.
But yeah, they're in the middle of a good run here.
This is like if you're talking about peak e c W,
I think ninety seven is like the peak of ECW. Yeah,
I know they had some good years, you know, ninety five,
ninety six, ninety you know, leading up to it. I

(01:04:11):
think ninety seven was like the peak, and then once
people started leaving, like Raven and others, things started. I
think going down Raven, it was like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I don't count Steve Austin because no I count either
Ravens like the first big name I think to read that, Yeah,
promotion of that core group of homegrown stars, because Steve
Austin was not a homegrown guy, like he was a
WCW guy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
But of the Tommy Dreamers, you know, Raven was John
was a Scott Flamingo and Johnny Polo, but he Raven
was an e c W character. But of the Tommy Dreamers,
the Ravens, Dudley Boys, the tazzi Is Saboos, Rob Van
Dam's Ravens was Raven was the first one, I said,
Ravens plural like the Baltimore Ravens, who did exist in

(01:04:56):
ninety seven, they already left Cleveland, but Raven was the
first guy, like you said, to leave the company. And
we heard chants about it in the big not only
the main event, but in a later match which was
I think fall into the Purposes. It was essentially the
main event. It wasn't the last match, but this was

(01:05:19):
the biggest drawing match on the show. This is the
match that you wanted to see on the show. It
was the culmination of a year's long feud between Tommy
Dreamer and Raven and the loser leaves ECW match. And
because one of these guys is headed to WCW and
it ain't Tommy Dreamer, you can draw your conclusions from
that as to who's gonna win and who's gonna lose.

(01:05:41):
According to good old Wikipedia, there were twelve hundred people
two hundred and fifty people in the building to be exact.
According to them, what this sounds about right? The building.
I think they said for Dynamite, there's maybe nine hundred
to one thousand people at each show. That's what I heard.
So that's about right. Sounds about right. But yeah, again,

(01:06:03):
talk about what else do you remember about this time?
Because I wasn't really watching ECW at this point. I
was too young. My mom wasn't gonna let me watch this,
I don't think in ninety seven. But and even hell,
even w w F at this point was kind of
getting a little risque in certain areas. Yeah that actually
there was creeping in there for sure ninety seven. But

(01:06:23):
what do you remember? Take me back to nineteen ninety seven?
Where were you in life at that point?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
So June ninety seven, I have just I guess and
did well? We really our school year ended in the
middle of the June's, like I guess, I was still
in school. But the end of my sixth grade year,
I'd be going into the seventh grade in September of
ninety seven. You know, it's really cool when you when
you share the same grade number as like the year,

(01:06:49):
so I can always say, oh, ninety seven I started
seventh grade. Ninety eight I started eighth grade, you know,
ninety five I started fifth grade. That's a really cool
thing to you know, help helps you remember, Yeah, exactly.
But that was really like in sixth grade was when
I started getting friends that were into wrestling. I had

(01:07:12):
a best friend that was actually more into WCW than anything.
Became a huge Rick Player fan, huge Four Horsemen fan.
So I didn't really watch ECW. I was like the
only person to watch ECW. It was either WCW ORWF.
I guess nobody's really at home on like a Saturday
night flipping the channels to w GTW to watch Extreme

(01:07:33):
Championship Wrestling. I guess that just wantsn't what my classmates
were doing, but I was. I stumbled upon it ECW
like a year prior, so I wasn't sure how their
weekly TV programming was. Like, I didn't understand that I
didn't have the Internet at this point. I didn't get
the Internet until late or early ninety eight, so I

(01:07:54):
really just didn't understand the timeline of events. So they
had Wrestle Poluzer right, and I think they would just
make like two or three weeks worth of TV shows
based on Wressel Poluzer or whatever. So I would be like,
wait a second, like Russell Pluza was last week, and
it's this week, and wait next week too, Like that

(01:08:17):
type of thing was just so foreign to me because
WWF and WCW wire just doing with the weekly shows,
you know, and I was just like, what why is
this company giving me the same show but different matches
like every week. I didn't like that just because it
wasn't in line with what I was seeing INWF and
WW and I just thought, okay, like this isn't like

(01:08:39):
serious wrestling. But it really captured me in ninety seven,
like ninety six was good, and I would watch it
here and there. I think it was on Wednesday nights too,
but it was like Wednesday nights and Saturday nights. It
was on Channel forty eight, so Wednesday I would try
to watch it, but Saturday was like the time where

(01:09:00):
I did you know? It was like ten ten pm
on Saturdays, and I would try to watch it. In
ninety seven, man, some of the stories just like captured me.
They had wrestling that you still didn't see in WW
Like ww wasn't great in the ring. They have the
cruiser weights. That was about it. And then WWF obviously

(01:09:22):
wasn't great in the ring, so I'm like seeing this
wrestle these wrestling moves and stuff like that, and ECW
ring guys falling on their necks like task suplex and
somebody on their head, like I wasn't seeing that in
the other place. I was like, Oh my god, how's
that guy? Like alive Dead, you know, like that type
of stuff, and just Joey Styles, you know, Joey Styles
was so unique in the way he called the matches

(01:09:43):
and his voice and how he reacted, like oh my god,
and that type of stuff where I'm just like, yeah,
this is different and I like it. I didn't think
that I would prefer the ECW product to WWF and
w W at this time, but I did, Like after
a while, I was like, oh, this this blows everything

(01:10:05):
else out of the water. Like Shane Douglass was a
great character, Taz was a great character. Had RVD and
Saboo who were like waving the flag for WWF. Jerry
Lawler came in. I was like, this is like, dude,
screw like everything else pot like this is what this
is what's happening, Like, this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Is what's happening in the streets right now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Bro, And it sucked because it was in June, right so,
and you know, multiple weeks of this. By the end
of June, you know, like I'm out of school, I
don't really talk to anybody about wrestling, Like in the summer,
I don't really see my classmates. I only have like
a few friends that I would hang out with at
the time, so it's not like I can even talk
to them about it when they don't watch wrestling. So

(01:10:46):
I just really was into it, and I was like,
oh my god, And I thought the summer of ninety
seven was one of the best times I had watching wrestling,
because not ACW was like on fire, BUTWF and ww
were good too, But compared to ECW, I thought it
sucked at the time, you know, but like looking back,
it didn't suck. It just you know, ACW captured my

(01:11:07):
attention way more at that time. Maybe it was because
you know, I was becoming a teenager and they saw
the more mascade things and I'm just like, man, like
this is more interesting to me than when I'm seeing
like the kiddy stuff. Even though the attitude era was
coming along and in WWF you had the NWOWCW, but
I'm talking about like the ninety four ninety five eras

(01:11:27):
where I'm just like, man, like they're copy in ECW
like that all along, Like ECW has been doing this
stuff and I'm seeing like a little bit of it
in WCW and WWF and man, these guys are copying ECW.
So I got to be watching ECW like, you know,
like I need to be. This is their program to watch,
even though it wasn't you know, as glitzy and glamorous

(01:11:49):
as WWFWCW. But I really just that was my thought
process at the time, and I was so mad. I
didn't get to talk to anybody about ECW to like September,
and by that point, you know, no one really cared
about ECW around where I lived, so I was like
the only one watching it. But the summer of ninety

(01:12:11):
seven into the fall of ninety seven, ECW was the
most anticipated I think I've ever been to like watch
wrestling on like on a weekly basis, because I couldn't
wait till Saturday night. I was like, oh, like I
had a TV in my room at the time, so
I could watch it. It was on the like I

(01:12:31):
had the antennas and everything. W GTW forty eight wasn't
a station that I needed cable for. Like, it was
like I could have it with the antenna, so I
couldn't do that with WWF or WCW. ECW was the
only until I did get cable, but ECW was the
only wrestling product I could watch in my room at
the time. And so it's like ten o'clock at Saturday night.

(01:12:53):
I was like, well, I could watch this and not
have to worry about my parents' reaction to it, you know,
Like it was one of those things where I thought
I was getting away with something, you know, so you
as a kid, you like that, you feel like you
have some sort of power that like you're hiding on,
Like my parents will never let me watch this downstairs,
but like I watched it here. This is like the
greatest wrestling product ever.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
So and this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Specific show I thought showed exactly why I thought that.
There was some random matches that I didn't really care about,
but then like the things that hit hit huge for
me at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah, it's in hindsight, at least for me, it looks
like a wild time again. I was only I think
ninety said I was only going in the second grade, so.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
You weren't putting antennas up on the TV to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Watch and after watching this show Man in no way
my mom's gonna let me watch this. I mean, this
is a home video release, so this wouldn't have been
on TV anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
They bleeped everything. They didn't like censor or that cuts
cuts things. They they bleeped it and they like, that's
how they censored it. So you knew he said the
F word, but it was just bleeped. It wasn't like
cut the way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
That's and that's why I was on the air at
like twelve o'clock in the morning or whatever it was.
But yeah, they wasn't gonna let the F words fly
on Channel forty eight. Nah huh, not no, sir, so.
But yeah, I was far too young to be involved
in this in any sort of way as a fan.
But you knew about it though, you definitely heard about it.

(01:14:28):
I definitely have friends of mine who talked about it,
like especially when I got to like i'll say later
ECW years like maybe ninety eight ninety nine. Definitely had
friends talking about each W. But again, I'm only like
seven years old by this point like I would have
been eight, so so not not in the demographic that
ECW was going.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
For eleven and twelve year olds like me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Slightly older, Yeah, slightly older, I guess. But let's go
into our format here. Let's go into the matches and
the happenings from this show. Uh, let's start it off
with the match of the night, Nick, what's your match
of the night from Russell Palooza in nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
There is even no honorable mention. It's Tommy Dramer versus Raven.
It's the culmination of that story. The emotion told, the
absolute story the run ins, like the way Wressel Media
forty sole from them, how they did all these run ins.
It was originated at ECW Russell Bluesa ninety seven, all
the run ins. But no, yeah, like the fans knowing.

(01:15:36):
The fans knew the behind the scenes stuff where you
know when they're chanting you sold out. I was just
kind of like, I don't know what that means. And
then you see Raven show up in WCW the end
of July and you're just like, oh, like, you sold out.
I guess they knew that he was leaving, but they
didn't tell you really on screen sometimes like they did

(01:15:57):
for certain people, like Joey Styles told you that mankind
or a cactus Jack was leaving ECW to go be
mankind and WWF. I wasn't watching ECW at the time,
but they used to show that all the time. It
was like the big Ass Extreme Bash or something at
ninety six, right, and they would show they would show
the commercial during ECW like weekly programming, and I was like, wait,

(01:16:21):
Joey Style, like they say that, like ECW goes places
that w F and w CW don't go because WWWWF
don't acknowledge when people leave and go somewhere else. Yeah, exactly,
extremely real wrestling. That's what it was to me, you know,
like I only extremely E r W E r W

(01:16:44):
E r W.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I don't have the same ring.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
And I would tell everybody. I was like, no, ECW
is the real thing. It's not like the WCWWF. So
it's really funny, like looking back that that's what I
literally was telling people. But it was just I was like, oh, like,
I guess they don't shy away from telling people where
to go, and like they do tell you to hate

(01:17:07):
them on the way out, you know, like this guy
couldn't cut an ECW type thing. They didn't really do
that with Raven, but it was just the I knew
I had seen previously, like the feud between the two,
And this was when I didn't really understand wrestling feuds
long term. So for me, wrestling feuds were all about

(01:17:29):
like to here and now, like you know, you might
have a few rematches here and there, but they mostly
lasted like three to four months, you know, Like that
was like the longest feuds I would see at that
in that time period of anybody. WCWWWF. WW is a
little different with the nWo, but you could see where
they were pitting people against each other. So like if

(01:17:52):
one guy, one WCW guy's done with the NWE nWo guy,
they go to like another nWo guy and that's like
a separate feud even though the nWo is involved. But
ECW man, like, they had those long, bitter feuds that
I didn't really appreciate as a wrestling fan because I
didn't see that in WWF or WCW, And I didn't

(01:18:12):
really understand that backstory between Dreamer and Raven because I
wasn't watching the entire time, right, I didn't see the
chair shot heard around the world and Raven was cuffed
to the steel cage and everything. I would see that
in highlights and everything. I was like, oh, like, so
the highlights helped me realize, oh, these guys hate each other,
Like there's a history here, even though I didn't see

(01:18:32):
it like a year and a half two years ago.
This is the culmination of that. And it's literally like
the way Rick Rude and Joey Styles talked about at
the beginning of the show. It was like, you know,
I think Tommy Dreamer will finally vanquish you know, his
faux Raven and he'll fly the Koopie did that weird
little flying thing. That was weird, but just one of

(01:18:55):
those things, and I was like that made me interested
in it. I want to Like they had blood, you know,
like it was the moves they were doing looked stiff.
I mean, like that's it was just something I never
saw in WW or WWF at the time. So I
was like drawn in by that, drawn in by Buella McGillicutty.
Obviously the feud over her that she was originally what Raven,

(01:19:17):
but now she's with Tommy and Tommy's the good guy.
You want to root for Tommy, and Tommy can't beat
this guy, but you know you don't want him to lose.
You don't want Tommy Dreamer to have to leave ECW.
And again I didn't have the internet, so I didn't
know what the hell was going on, but just everything
in that match man, just like Raven leaving and then
Tommy going after him and them fighting outside and coming

(01:19:37):
back in, like just going all around the arena. I
didn't like that. Like at the time, I was like,
just go in the ring and wrestle, like this is
too When they would go in the crowd and everything,
it was like too much for me to pay attention
to because, like I was, you had so many people
in the crowd trying to like mug for the camera
and it was very distracting and I didn't like that.
I was like, this is taking away from the mat

(01:20:00):
between the two guys I want to see. So it
was almost like I ignored it until they got back
in the ring when stuff like that happened, and then
once it happened a lot ww and WWF same thing,
I would like, ignore the crowd action and just wait
till they got back in the ring, unless it was
a Falsecott anywhere match, but you know, like you know
when they're in the crowd, Okay, the match isn't gonna

(01:20:20):
end anytime soon. Let me go get a snack or
let me go to the bathroom and the healthy back.
Like that's how I viewed wrestling back then. So obviously
now for the show it's different. Me watching it a
little bit differently. I still don't like the battling through
the crowd stuff. It's just too much for me, Like,
we don't need that for every match at ECW man

(01:20:41):
they had no DQ's, Like so many matches were.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Like that, this is Extreme Championship Wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
What did you expect? Overkill? It definitely overkilled.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
I mean that's I think it's a critique of the
product as a whole. I think you can say that,
like it's just you run the risk of distancitizing everyone
to violence, right if you do it all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
But I think bathroom break for Dick piccole Man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
I would say for this particular match though, I thought
it worked really well given that it was like the
climax and the blow off of this feud. Yeah, I
didn't mind him fighting into the crowd. Right off top,
Raven threw Tommy Dreamer through a merch table. It's like
one one wooden table and that was the merch table, right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Like I said, Tommy Dreamer was bleeding pretty much right away. Uh.
But yeah, there was a lot of run ins right.
We had Chastity running uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Buler ran in uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
And then Louis Peccoli hit Tommy Dreamer with a D
d T and Tommy Dreamer, now what they did to
Timy Dreamer just kept kicking out of Louis Pacolei's moves.
Ravens moves didn't matter. Timmy Jimer kept fighting back and
he fended everybody off. And because he he finded off
Louise Pacolei fended off Raven. Raven had another guy out
there that was uh doing weird stuff, Loupis that's where

(01:22:02):
it was. Fought him off, uh and Dreamer. Eventually Dreamer
gets raving up for the D d T and it
screams E C F and W. Now, granted we did
not watch this on Peacock. We're watching the very uncut
version of this show. I mean, and it would a storm.
We got the we got the songs, the original themes

(01:22:23):
for everybody, which was like flah like made the show
so much better to watch. And everybody cuts on this show, Taz,
especially goodness, gracious, it's almost like take it easy, Tas.
How angry are you? Are you actually mad right now?
Well that's fair, he's mad right now, for sure. He's

(01:22:43):
cussing right now for sure. Uh but yeah, Tim and
Dreamer goes E C F and W and hits Raven
with the D D T on top of I think
it was a stop sign in the ring and picks
up the wind finally finally over Raven. The multiple tries
finally beats him, and Raven is forced to leave ECW.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
And go to w W.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
From wrestling forever, he's getting a pay raise, that's what
he's getting. He getting paid and paid at least more
than what he was getting an ec W. I don't
know how much he's getting paid actually, but the fans
chan e c W and then lights went out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Oh because Paul not pay his bills again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
I don't know, but that would lead into my top
non wrestling happening, which same, so we'll get to that
in a second. But I agree with you on this
being the best match of the night. That easily the
match I had the most heat and the most drama
involved with all the run ins, and probably just the
best probably just match in general, like as far as
like when you talk about the hardcore extreme style, this

(01:23:49):
was to me the best representation of that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Agree. He didn't have, you know, people flying around for
no reason and everything everything was for a reason, told
a great story and it was like the type of
match you expect a blood feud to be really anywhere,
but ECW especially agree.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
So Tommy Dreamer and Raven Match of the Night from
Russell Paluz in ninth ninety seven. But what was the
worst match from Russell Pallu's nineteenninety seven. I feel like
there's a couple of candidates here, but I got one
in mind.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
What do you have in mind? I did have two.
I don't know if one is worse than the other.
The broth tag matches the Pipoles versus FBI, I was
just like not good. I tried to give it a shot,
but even the character is the FBI like I gotta
sorry pass Man, I gotta I gotta kill you for it.

(01:24:40):
No bad match I got. I got the Pipoles autograph
by the way, So oh that's dope.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
So look at it. Now you've a turncoats to be
full blooded and tye in you getting the autographs on
the ops. But with Joe and and in the boys,
that was house Hobs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Yeah yeah, uh not not that was, like, I guess,
an honorable mention. But I thought about the worst match
was the Dudley's versus Sandman and Balls. Mahoney. It told
no story first of all, and like every spot, no
one cared about it, and Sandman is just flying everywhere.

(01:25:23):
Samon made that match terrible. I will say, I think
I think nobody knew how to react to what the
hell he was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
It was just no heat. The Dudley Boys were out there.
I mean they had heat, but like the matches stuff,
they had no.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
He's always had heat just because of you know, right,
the mic, but.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Of course, but the matches Ulf was super short, uneventful.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Uh yeah. I also agree broke Ball's ankle or something.
Just oh man, he's like flying everywhere, He's like jumping
on his own team just and then he he when
he landed, he probably tweaked his ankle or something. He
sat there for a good two minutes because he was like, damn,
probably should have done that. He messed up a spot

(01:26:06):
before that too. I think Bubba was gonna hit balls
with the kendowstick or Singapore cane, and but he like
he was supposed to, and I guess the Salmon thought
he was supposed to stop him, so he like shove
Bubba off the apron and puffa like fell wrong, and
he just looked kind of looked around, like what the
hell is this guy doing. It's like the Salmon was

(01:26:27):
just like going into business for himself. Like it was
crazy to see that happen in that per Like his
run in and t and a Dreamer versus Raven was
a lot better, you know, well it was after I
should say it was after that because he came out
and beat up or titled with RVD and Saboo. But

(01:26:49):
just you know, that match was like might've been the
worst match in ninety seven. Honestly, I just mae, dude,
I mean Shotgun to have better matches, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Even in the nightclub they had better matches, exactly, Yeah,
that's crazy. It might I don't know what one worst
match of the year from the Observer that year. We
can look it up because it might have been on
the list because ninety seven was a good year. Man,
let me look it up real quick, Wrestling Observer. Not
to say, like, you know, we've followed the Wrestling Observer

(01:27:26):
like as a bible, but you know, I think it's
still worth noting if it's the worst match. Let's see
nineteen ninety seven. Oh it was Hogan and uh it
was Hogan versus Piper at super Brawl and Hogan that
was ninety eight. Yeah, Hogan versus Piper at super Brawl

(01:27:48):
was apparently the worst match of the year, according to
The Wrestling Observer. Worse than this one. I don't know,
at least value. They drew money, drew some money.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
That's the only time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
You don't say that about vouch for Hogan.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Now look what he's making.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Come on, Yeah, this match was was not this is
not this is not something right home about uh and
the like, there was like a ton of great max
on the show, but like this was definitely one to skip.
Uh unfortunately. Uh, but again top non wrestling happening. You
kind of alluded to this already. I also have, but
I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
I picked something else.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Okay, well I'll go into what I picked here, and
then it is the follow up to uh, the Tommy
Dreamer shraving match.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Honestly, I probably shouldn't have Well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
There's so much going on because I have like an
honorable mention for this, but there's so much going on. Okay,
but the moment of the lights going out and then
all of a sudden coming back on and you see
Rob van dam and a raw T shirt uh and
sad Boom right missed Monday Night and they hit a

(01:29:02):
vandaminator on Tommy Dreamer. So it's like, oh, what's happening here?
But Tommy Dreamer just finds them off because he's Tommy
Dreamer Beast apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
After like a really like crazy matchic gos Raven too,
and they hit him with a Van daminator in the face.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Bro, Like, come on, they're supposed to put somebody's lights out,
but instead the lights go out again. As soon as
tim A Dreamers get some momentum, the lights go out again.
Well I guess before I said Sadboo at first, but
it wasn't Robin Damit, Saboo. It was just Robin Damn.
Lights go out. Then Saboo comes out with Bill Alfonzo.
He's blowing the whistle like too short. All hell is

(01:29:39):
breaking loose, but Tommy Dreamer fights them both off because
he's Tommy Dreamer. He's a monster. Okay, he'd just be raving.
He is feeling himself.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Then the lights go out again, against all odds, man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
The lights go out a third time. Now, a third time.
Now it's Jerry Lawler in.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
The rear the crowd before the lights come back on,
and he's like, oh, who's this? Right? They?

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
I guess they could see who it was. I mean,
Jarre Lawler wasn't necessarily hiding at the crown on his head?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Was the other of the ring the whole time?

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Maybe that that was not all that has to be before.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
The door is open.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
I hope not. It doesn't seem like a comfortable place
to be. But now is Jared the King Lawler in
the ring with a microphone and he's cutting a promo
on Tommy Dreamer and e CW. He hates ECW because
this is ninety seven, this is when the time with
WWF was having ECW wrestlers on the show show up
in the front row.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Felt like there was a law though, right because the
ECW one raw was in February and then they didn't
really do anything barely Legal in April, so it almost
felt like, Okay, maybe that's over with, Like ie, I
remember feeling that way as a fan. I was like,
I guess, I guess it was just the hype the
barely Legal player view in April. I didn't expect anything

(01:30:57):
to happen after that, So this was like huge for me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Yeah, this is like a crossover that you just didn't
see and wrestling a whole lot. Now obviously eas W
is on WWF, but you didn't see WWF guys from
going into ECW. That was the thing, Like it saysn't
like Smoky Mountain where they would send WWF god to
Smoking Mountain because they would help. Because Jim Cornett was
popping up on was being used on WWA television. This
is WWF guys just going to ECW and at least,

(01:31:24):
in the case of Lawler beating up wrestlers, at least
help having other people beat up the wrestlers and then
talking crap on the promotion on the mic and getting
all kinds of heat.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
And it almost go like, oh my god, did w
w F fire and Jerry Lawler because you're like, why
else would he be here, because, like you said, you
never saw anyone employed there, like show up when he's
like what Chris Cannito did, it was like he wasn't
with w F anymore. That was it not a contracted
selling Oh my god, did Jerry Lawler get fired?

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Like what's going on? What's going on? I can only
imagine teenage Nick going like what is happening here?

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Dude? I was like, oh my god, this is worlds
have collided, hated Like I love Tommy's Dramer too, so
I'm like, oh, they're they're doing a dirty man, come.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
On stomping them out. Also, we got an ECWWWF war
while Raven is going to WCW. So next ninety seven
is wild, Okay, nineteen ninety seven is crazy, all right?
Even crazy in the day when we all these promotions
and WW owns Triple A, they got people going in
different directions. It's not even like under one accord you

(01:32:27):
got one guy going to WW He's gone to w CW,
but meanwhile it's a WWF ECW war hap.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Like what is going on here? It was almost like
Raven might it look like he was gonna turn face too,
because he was like stopping rvd Ha Sabo for beating
up Tommy and then he just kind of like screw
it and then come out of here. Get way for
him to leave the company.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
We're about to go out and get paid because I
ain't got time for this nonsense. No more. Uh but yeah,
Jerry Lawler cuts a promo ECW wrestlers come out of
the locker room, they come out to fight. They all
get beat up. Apparently Tommy is the only person who
can fight in the East W locker room because no
one could mess with Sabu and Rob and do not
even nu Jack and Mustafa.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Oh dude, that was the shocker of it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
I was like, oh not even the gangsters.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Oh man. They were like on screen for what two seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
And barely barely. I mean I heard the music and
again we got the actual music on this we got
the actual notch.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I literally rerounded a couple of times just to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
It wasn't playing long enough. They cut the music as
soon as Nujack got put out the ring like it's like, oh,
I guess he ain't serious to night cut the music.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
You're cue to stop fighting. Is when we turned the music.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Off right, he is done now, so it's like damn, okay,
so who's next. Meanwhile, the fans are chanting, we want Task,
we want Task. Then Sandman comes out. He canes the
mess out of Saboo multiple times, hits him like twelve times,
didn't matter, gets dispatched, okay, gets disposed of RBDN Saboo

(01:34:00):
out here wrecking the whole locker room. Everybody. I think
I saw Axel Rotten out there, or one of the
rottens on those ax or Ian I think bals Mahoney
came back out. Was like, everybody's getting.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Worked okay, getting worked over by RBD and Saboo. And then.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
The lights go out again? Does the lights go out
or no? Just Tas just came out because outcomes Task
and the pretty much the place clearest at that point,
all right, the only person that wanted to fight Taz
is Saboo. No one else wanted to fight them, and
so they all left. Right. Taz comes out, grabs a
mic because he's in the ring now by himself, and

(01:34:37):
he's like, I'm tired of this, I'm tired of lawler,
I'm tired of everybody. He's cussing everybody out. He tells
Lawla to do some nasty stuff that was wild. You
can do this, he said, whoa Tas, whoa Pauls? And
also whoa This gotta be a kidney somewhere. Take it easy.

(01:34:59):
And I love Shane Douglas being up like in the
crow's nest. He's up in the crows and he's got
a mic and he tells Taz to calm down. You
did it, you got it done. Relax. Taz wasn't hearing
that though, and he's like, I'm not even I'm not leaving.
He didn't say I'm not leaving. He just I'm not
I'm not going anywhere. I'm tied to everybody because I'm mad.
I'm Taz and I'm angry. All right, So we get

(01:35:22):
this back and forth between Taz and Shane Douglas and
they just cussing each other out, back and forth. Right, Well,
actually I should say before that Taz is out there
so he can have a match with Saboo and they
eventually have a match, which was I had it categorized
as my hitting gym.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Really on the night. Yes, okay, they're not a ton
to truth liked ding, but it's just kind of plodding
a little bit for me for a Taz Sabo match,
but okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
It was, but to me it was sure.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
It's like eight minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Isn't that long for a big match that they were
building up to for a long time. I feel like
that was kind of short, but I think the finish
was fun. Like you said, where Taz has Saboo in
the I forget the name of the move that Joey
Styles says, but the tas mission will call it tas mission.
There you go, and Sabu kind of uses the leverage

(01:36:15):
of like kind of running the turnboke where and falls backwards,
landing on top of Task. Tas locks keeps a hole
locked in, but his shoulders on the mat. Referee counts
in the three, so he's again pissed again. He just
lost his match that he didn't want to lose, obviously,
and he was in position to win. So now he's
still in the ring. Taz hasn't left yet even though

(01:36:36):
he just lost, and now he cuts the promo with
Shane Douglas. Shane Douglas like, hey man, you kind of
suck now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Top Non Wrestling happening, But this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Is going back to my top nine wrestling happening because
it's all ties together, right, you see what I'm saying.
So I already did my hitting gym, but I'm going
back to my top nine wrestling happening because Taz and
Shane Douglas don't going back and forth. They're cussing each
other out. Now. Taz just had this match and now
he's his eyes on Shane Douglas, and Shane Douglas like, man,
you suck, get out the ring, and Tad's like, yo.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Shane, who are you? Man? Like what do you I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
He's the TV champion, he just beat Chris Chetty early
in the night. Didn't you see that? Didn't you see that?
But He's like, get out the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Rings from school?

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
I think I think so. I think so because they
kept calling him a rookie, So that don't gonna make
sense because Taz did have his own school back in
these days. But uh, you know, Douglas like, Yo, get
out of here. You've done now you did it, Get out,
Nobody wants to see you anymore. Tad's like, hey, Yo,
how about you come down here. I guarantee you I'll
tap you out for your title in less than five minutes,

(01:37:45):
talking big to the TV champ. That's tough, Douglas. Okay,
uh yeah, let's see that. But if you don't, you
suspend it without pay for thirty days. And Tas is like, huh,
make it sixty as a matter of fact, I'm gonna
tap you out in less than three and Shane Douglas
is all right, let's embt it, let's go, and Rick

(01:38:07):
Creus like, I don't think this is a smart idea
for Shane Douglas. I don't think he should do this.
Rick ruds is on commentary, by the way, alongside Joey
Styles uh and Rick Cruise. I don't know about this one.
And Shane Douglass gets in that ring and gets tapped
out and less than to an end, it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Didn't look good for a while, though he did for
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
But Taz is now the new ECW World Television Champion.
That's not that's a wrestling happening, but everything that led
from the post Tommy Dreamer RVD stuff with Jary Lawler
and then the pre Shane Douglas pre Saboo, pre Task
Saboo and pre Tas Shane Douglas. So much stuff happening,
but all of that because it all kind of tied

(01:38:50):
together top non wrestling happening.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Hundred percent, Like you could again, ECW's like, oh we
got the best wrestle in the ring. But man, they
were like clicking on all cylinders. When I came to
the promos too at the time, you know, you didn't
see that stuff in you. You started getting like the
US Canada war type thing, like the promo wars. Uh

(01:39:14):
you had n w o ww like on the mic
all the time. But man, like it felt real in ECW.
That's why I called it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Because it was they was out here being all the time.
Tas told jar Lawla to do something nasty bro in
front of everybody, and then they just cussed each other
out left and right, like both him and Shane Douglas.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
When Shane like told Taz to get that out of
the ring or whatever, I was like, how's Tad's not
going up there and beating his ass, like you letting
that guy talk to you like that? But he got
the last left, got the last left.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Shane Douglas won the heavyweight title the next month, But
again I mentioned like this is was was the resetting
almost this was like the WrestleMania for ECW, where we're
like we're a rumble. I don't know. They set up
the future because they were losing Raven, so they needed
like that shake up. And Shane was the TV champion

(01:40:13):
for a long time. Terry Funk just won the world
title look barely legal, but he wasn't gonna be the
world champion very long, you know. Like so they were
setting Shane up to recapture the world title and then
you're gonna have Taz as the TV title or TV
champ and like for another like what year and a
half or something that, like, because Shane was the TV

(01:40:34):
champ for a year or something like that. But they
had long champions so and that was like also a
difference with Paul Hayman booked to ECW, where we had
like long champion long reigns, and I liked that. So
seeing like Taz beat Shane, I hated Shane Man, like
I was like, this guy is such a jackass, Like

(01:40:55):
someone used to set him straight, you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Know, And then earlier in the show too about it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Yeah, and so but it was so funny that like
a month later at Hardcore heaven he wins to the
world title or no, what, I don't think he did. Yeah,
I think he did.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
I think he did.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
I think because then yeah, Bam band beat him and
then he won it back in Novemberance of the Rumber.
That's right. Yeah, so he did win the world title
and then lost it the band baan for like a
cup of coffee, and then won it back. But I
hated Shane Man. I just hated his guts. He was
so good at being a heel. I just he was
like my most despised heel of that era, like no

(01:41:35):
one like. I didn't hate Hogan the way I hated
Shane Douglas in nineteen ninety seven. Man, I didn't hate
Brett Hart the way I hated Shane Douglas.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
You know, Shane Douglas had all the heat was young
nip A Cone Bron. It didn't help that he was
a Penguins fan. To get out of here. We'll talk
about that in a little bit. But h worst non
wrestling happening? What did you have here for worse non
wrestling happening? Top happening was a lot of exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Things, included Shane Douglas bringing out the damn Flyers shirt
spinning on end and sweeping at Bastard. And the funny
part is I wasn't watching the Flyers at this time,
so I didn't even know that they were in the
Cup finals, you know, like at them, I didn't no,
But you know, now looking back, I was like, man,
like those those people were probably like heartbroken at the

(01:42:23):
time because I'm assuming the it wasn't very long after
they got swept because now it like bleeds a little
further into June. But June seventh, I think the Cup
finals were already over at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
So I took some notes on this. Obviously, I had
to look it up. You know, they held up, so
for those who don't know ninety seven. In June of
ninety seven, the Philadelphia Flyers, Philadelphia's hockey team NHL team,
advanced to the Stanley Cup Final to go against the
Detroit Red Wings, who were a powerhouse to say the least.

(01:42:58):
The Red Wings had Steve Steve Watsy. Yeah, but Steve Yisman,
Brendan Shanahan, Nick Linstrom, Chris Osgod, they were stacked. They
were juggernaut, and they swept the hell out of the Flyers.
In ninety seven. I remember though I was obviously I'm
younger you, but like.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Man, he was the guy I hated the most. For
some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
They had some dogs on the Red Wings teams. But
I remember this time because then they put the Flyers
jersey on William Penn. Yes, and it was like this,
And for those wh don't know, at one point in time,
not now, but the highest point in Philadelphia was the
William Penn statue, and it was like, oh, if you
build a thing higher than him, and that Willim Penn

(01:43:43):
statute sits the top city hall. Uh, and he's the
founder of the city. So if those don't know, but
if you build something higher, it'll be a curse or
something like that. And then on top of the curse,
they would put jerseys on the statue when the team
would go to the championship and they would always lose.
I think this might have been the last time they
did in ninety seven. They were just always just cough

(01:44:04):
up the l or cough up the win, I should say,
when they got the jersey put on Winim Penn. I
vividly remember the big Flyer shirts in winnim Penn in
the ninety seven finals, and this is popular, like your
earliest memory I remember I have of a team going
to the championship in sports in ninety seven. I don't
really remember the ninety three Phillies that much. I was four,
and the Sixers weren't good and the Eagles weren't good

(01:44:24):
in the mid nineties. So the Flyers like the first
team that did anything and this is my lifetime for
my recollection. But unfortunately they went against the Juggernaut and
the Red Wings and got swept. The thing is, even
though you know Sat Douglas did come out with the
Flyer shirt, they pulled the broom out. From what I

(01:44:44):
could tell, the game happened the same day as the show.
Game four happened in June seventh, nineteen ninety seven. Oh,
so I don't know, right, So I would assume, like,
because this is a VHS release, did they maybe add
some audio after the fact saying because Joey Style said
at one point the Flyers were swept past Tense, but

(01:45:05):
then Joe Gurdener comes out later on it could have been.
It could have been, But Joe Gurden comes out later
on and says that did down to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Yeah, I did notice that too.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
So the final score was two one. Maybe there was
some audio added after the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Order that last match was the first match or something.
Maybe sometimes they flipped.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Maybe maybe because it made no sense for it to
be the main event.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Yeah, and although that worst match of the night was
at number one contenders match, So I don't maybe they Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know how they paced those.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
I don't know all because when I looked up Game
four of the ninety seven stand Cup Finals, it says
June seventh, nineteen ninety seven. So I don't know. At
least that's what it says on Pro Hockey Reference.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
You know, according to the AIO. Are you on Google?
There was no game four in the nineteen ninety seven
Stanley Cup Finals. The Fires were the Flyers. Never are
you for real?

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
The AI says there wasn't a game four.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
There was no game four in the nineteen ninety seven
Stanley Cup Finals because the Detroit Red Wings swept the
Philadelphia Flyers in four games to win.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
That's hilarious. Still got the ways to go for AI
to get everything? This is why you just don't rely
on the AI. How about that I'm on NHL dot com,
you know, a reputable site that has the official record,
and again Saturday, June seventh, nineteen ninety seven, the Flyers
lost two to one at the losing game three six

(01:46:39):
to one. God damn, Red Wings are good.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
I wish they had like when the game started, you know,
like the time yeah started.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
I mean maybe on Pro Hockey Reference you can find it.
I don't know. Let mean, let me see.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Yeah, we can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
You maybe find it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
I keep forgetting other uh sports. There a reference site
other than baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
Yeah, yeah, there's a Pro Football Reference too. Uh in
the Pro basketball one. It doesn't say a time on it.
Sometimes it does for like certain games, at least on
Pro Football Reference. I think they will have like the
time of the kickoff or something like that. But whatever,
either way, that did happen. And Shane Douglas did troll
Flyers fans in South Philly, which is not as not

(01:47:18):
the smartest thing to do back in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Right were their best team? Right, Philly sucks? Yeah, I'm
saying the Eagle sucks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Ninety seven was not a great year. I mean, Sixers
were all right ninety seven from what I remember. I
think they went to the playoffs. I think I can
look it up. But the Phillies were bad.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
We know that Allen Iverson's first year was ninety six, right, yeah,
taking them a playoffs? I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
Man, Maybe maybe it was ninety I'm pretty sure it was.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
I'm gonna look it up just to make sure, because
I remember them being in the playoffs pretty early. Respect
let me see here. Uh, maybe they weren't. I don't
see them now in the playoffs. So maybe it was
ninety eight. They got to the playoffs I think for
the first time. Nope, maybe it was ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
I did not. I do remember they lost in the Pacers.
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Now they beat the Magic in the first series and
didn't lost. Didn't lost the Pacers, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Yeah, that was the lockout, right for the strike?

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Yes, yes, the lockout. It's only a fifty games.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
The first year I like started paying attention to so sports.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
To your point, though the Flyers were the one team
in town. I was doing good because I don't remember
what the Eagles did in ninety seven. I'd assume it
was poorly. Uh they got the Bobby Horn year the.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Where was there starters at that show that they showed?
Were they actual Eagles? Players, Which are you talking about
Russell Bluza, because, like Rick Rudi said, you have the
Eagles starter starting. I don't know if he met like offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Line or oh I didn't want to see that. It
was missed it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
It was the Raven Dreamer. It was you know, they
they were battling through and then they had like a
five second showing of like people on that ledge, Like
I don't know if it's the same one that Shane
Douglas was at, but uh, and they were like just
looking down and they're like, oh, those Eagles players don't
want any part of Raven or Tomad. I couldn't tell
you who was there, but the lighting obviously, Like I

(01:49:17):
couldn't tell and I don't know anybody from back then,
like Eagles knowledge only goes to like two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
That's fair. What I can tell you that the Eagles
fin is sixty nine to one that year, so they
weren't very good. You know, the offensive coordinator was with
the Eagles in nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Yes, who John Gruden one hundred percent correcting John Gruden
was for Jim Gruden. But I was like, sometime, it's
not Jim, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
Not he got that job six nine and one and
then went to the Raiders and got a head coaching
job after that. It was successful, Wow, was successful with
the Raiders. But I'm just surprised that he the team
was six nine and one and he got a job
after that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
But they didn't win the Super Bowl, right, Raiders know,
and he won it with the Bucks right exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
Also got screwed over with the tuck rule while he
was the Raiders, so there's a thing too. But yes,
Shane Douglas being a big Meani, not a blue Meani,
just a big old regular meani trolling the Flyers fans.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
I do like caw. They unveiled that shirt where you
know the that crowd always shedding to the women, nasty things.
But Shane was like, well, I think she'll show them.
Franccene like like, oh wait is she gonna show us?
Oh it's a Flyer shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
It's the Flyer shirt. This is it was just like
just a Flyer Stanley Cup shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Why yeah, why where's they couldn't get a jersey? It
was the former Mills there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
And I mean they probably bought that off of like
a bootleg off the street bro. I got Flyer shirts
twenty dollars. All right, we'll take it. We'll take that.
The shirt was kinda fly too. There's a probably somewhere
in it, probably somewhere in a vintage shop right now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
I'm actually had a ninety seven Eastern Conference champions flyer
shirt nice I used to wear, but I didn't care
because I didn't watch back then.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
Right, But if you kept that shirt in good condition,
you probably get some money for that Today. Vintage stuff
goes for some.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
Money, like the next year somewhere else, who knows where
it is now.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
My worst non wrestling happening. To wrap this up was
Rick Rude's commentary about Francine just always she'd be sitting
on my life and all this stuff. It was just
not necessary. But he's trying to be a.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Bare He barely talks, you know, and that was a
lot of maybe a for a reason. He wasn't very good.
That's all he had, was just talking about the women. Yeah,
said the same things about Beula.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
It's just like exactly, dude, like, why let's just let's
get off of it, right, We're done with it. Best
spot from this show, uh, not for me, not like
an extreme spot. But I did love the super bomb
from the pit Bulls on Little Guido. That's the best
part of that match school. So yeah, that was that

(01:52:02):
was the best spot for me.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Uh Taz superplexing one of the security guys literally right, yes,
that looks brutal. And then he got him right up
to do like the cross faces or that's bay or something,
and I was like, oh my god, like, you're not
gonna make sure he's okay. Nope, you know, like, just
damn those supplexes man, every time.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Man, I know, it's exactly what when you're talking about.
And he landed on the top of his dome. It
was not great hopeful, He's not fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Okay, after that, I don't know if he was bro
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
I don't think he was. That don't mean he went
to the hospital or anything like that night, but I
don't think he was okay. How do you become okay
after getting dropped in your head by Taz when he's
when he's real mad, he's just throwing people. Yeah, that was.
That was a tough one. Ready to move on to
some random thoughts or did you have a worse did

(01:52:59):
you have a worst spot? Know if you had a
worse spot I didn't really have.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Yeah, I guess, well that's true. That was the one
I remember the most though, so I'll just leave it
at that. That was Gears was a good one. The
power bomb and everything. I guess you know. Samman just
flying everywhere and not giving a crap where he landed
was kind of funny, not a good not for the
people involved, but for me watching, I was like, what
the hell is he doing? So I can laugh at

(01:53:22):
it because I didn't land on my ass or my
ankles or Ball's mahoney like grabs his leg. I was
like Divon tried to act like he's the one that
got hit. Like just stupid going on in that match.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
Random thoughts. I'll kick it off with again, we got
actual music on this show, baby, Oh yeah, we got
to hear Tommy Dreamers bell time. Got to hear a
Man in a Box with Tommy Dreamer. Fire. Sandman wasn't
good in the match, but into Sandman Fire.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
You can finally like understand why the entrance was so great,
right Fire?

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
Uh, Terry Funk's music, I don't I don't know what
the hell.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
That wasto That's what that was. It's the same song
as that episode of Seinfeld where like Ellen's boyfriend can't
talk until that song is over.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Well, I'm not a Seinfeld guy unfortunately, But yeah, I
didn't know. Saquon Barkley saying that probably Bobby Hoying is
his ninety seven with a Bobby Hoying, an Irving Friar
and Charlie Garner from the ninety seven Ricky Waters.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
For who for What? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
Was Who's the past Rusher? That had William William Floyd.
It was something else. I don't get his name. Many
had Brian Dawkins and the team. I know that, I
do know that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
We also Total Elimination, same song. It was Elimination.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
Didn't like it the eliminators, Yeah, I didn't. I wasn't
the love that I love that. I wasn't a fan.
Uh That's probably the only random note I had. I'm
trying to look here. Let's see. Oh Joey. Joey Styles's commentary,
not great at times, told Chris Chatty to hit Fran
scenes like Joey Styles tak it easy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
We We've also talked about that on a previous ECW show,
where he's like, I don't add I don't condone violence
against women. But yeah, went for it, and he did
it twice on this show, at least because he did
it that time to advancing Franccene and then, oh, I

(01:55:41):
thought there was a second time. Maybe that might have
been the only one.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
I don't remember a second time. I do remember that time. Uh,
Dudley Boys, of course were coming out. They're crushing everybody out,
even during the matches. Uh. And it's reminded me that
FTR pretty much tried to antagonize the fans during the
entire residency. Is the same way that Dudley Boys did
back in the day. Uh, not quite the same effect,
I don't think, but uh still it was interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Nonetheless, I was thinking of Joey Styles. What do you
call Joel Gertner? A waste of blood? That's what I
was thinking of, good Lord, which I thought that was
actually funny.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Damn, I thought that was waste of blood.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
Because Girdner was like the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
I mean he was, he was a dirt worst, but
that was his character. He's ball with the neck brace. Uh,
that was what his job was. Uh. Apparently Stephen Richards
had a neck injury at this point that forced him
to retire and then he came he came out of
retirement to get paid by w c W.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
Literally in action two months from there, you know, like
maybe his first match in w W was like in August, one.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Of them Terry Funk retirements. That's why you hugged Terry Funkus.
I'm gonna be right like you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
The way like nobody believes that, you know, in that
age of wrestling, Like there wasn't interviews like that, you know,
like everybody thought it was a work to set up
something else. So everybody was probably expected him to like
turn on Terry or something like that or and I
just thought it was like I don't I don't know

(01:57:14):
what Paul was thinking, but like you do you do
that for your audience who's not going to buy it,
Like I don't know, maybe maybe Stevie wanted to do
it or something, but it was like nobody thought he
was really hurt. And then he didn't help matters when
he went to the WCW and wrestled two months later.
Now I looked up, I'm fairly sure it was a

(01:57:34):
real injury. But like that's that's why we have so
many people today not even talking about the seth ronalds thing.
People just think every injury is a work at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
I don't know, but what we do know is that
his career continued on in wcw H. Speaking of Terry Funk,
people did not like to finish to his match with
Chris Candido. That could have been a candidate for worst Matchicy,
But I just have too much respect for Chris Kendido
on Terry Phone to do that to him. But it
wasn't that great though, I can say that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
And I'm pretty sure his shoulders weren't even on the mat,
you know, they didn't even show anything. And it's just
everybody be in the wrestle media thirty five men dang
with Becky Lynch and Ronda just it's just a weird,
weird thing for a match like that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:22):
Yeah, it wasn't wasn't great. And lastly, the last match
to at least on this copy of the show that
we watched was the Eliminators defending the tag titles against
the Dudley's uh And. But the problem was was that
Perry Saden had a kne injury. Knee was all tor
up and Todd Gordon was in the ring ready to say, hey,

(01:58:43):
you gotta relinquish these titles, and apparently they're going to
relinquished them straight to the Dudley Boys, no tournament of nothing,
and then Cronos is like, uh no, I'll we'll Russell,
I'll just do it by myself, and Todd Gordon, because
he got cussed out by Bubba Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
Dudley, was like, all right, do it, go ahead, have
at it, and then Cronuss.

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
Gets beats up most of the Matchings just gets beat
up most of the match until Paris Adam uses one
of his crutches and then did an elbow drop off
of one leg off the top turn buckle somehow and
helped the eliminators with one person and another person with
one leg retain the world tag team titles. So that

(01:59:23):
was interesting and kind of strange way to end the
show at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
But whatever, Yeah, why why are they winning? Like I know,
it's predictable. I think Paul wanted like he got too
cute sometimes and that was like, okay, you want to,
Like you could have edited the show with Taz winning
the TV title. That's your happy ending, right, Like what
did we need? Like again, we don't know, like the
sequence Wikipedia's laid out exactly the way it is in

(01:59:49):
the home video. So usually they have the match orders,
you know, right on Wikipedia. So assuming that was the
last match of the night, it still didn't make sense
to me, especially because Saturn was in w CW by
the end of the year. Anyway, again, you know, like
just with these injuries and stuff, like why are you
like the Taz beating Shane should have been.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
Like the end of the show. That should have been
the show, or Timmy Dreamer and Raven. But I guess
if you didn't want to leave people with like the
sour note of Jared Lawler stuff, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
You know, and that kind of blend to the end
of that and everybody moved away. That's how you kind
of got away from that. Yeah, you do Taz Saboo
and then moved to that. But you can also Taz
loses and you're just like, oh my god, Savo Taz.
But then Taz gets you know, the title.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Do you want to end the show with a not
even a three minute match? I guess you could, but
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
Yeah, the e c W man joined the revolution. That's
why we're different.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
Uh, did you have any other random notes by Russell
Palooz in ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
Yeah, I like when Stevie Richard shot up for a
more hospital. That was cool. I know where that is.
Shout out to my friend Sina works there. There you go.
And I did when I thought one of styles comments
were funny when Chris Candido, what do you do? Drop

(02:01:19):
Terry Funk on a few chairs or whatever, and he's like,
Terry Funk's rolling around in the chairs, and Joey Styles
said Chris Candido may have broken Terry Funk's neck as
like Terry Funk's rolling around waving like his legs in
the air. Like it's like, okay, like relax with this stuff.
And I don't know why I found that funny, but
I dude, I just don't know if you can do

(02:01:42):
that with a broken neck. Tad that was his first
Losses November ninety five. Like this is what Paul Hayman did.
He built He built guys that, like you felt, were
superstars even though they were in ECW. You know, like
so when guys like Raven go to ww got like
Taz go to WWE or like, oh my god, like

(02:02:02):
this is a superstar now, Yeah, they don't exactly use
them that way. But I thought that was just a
sign of why Paul was so good at booking ECW
to an extent where you he did build guys like
I wouldn't care about Taz, you know, like if I'm
tuning in in ninety five or even ninety six, I

(02:02:23):
didn't really care about him Bill Alfonso, but like once
he won the TV thought, I was like, oh my god,
I think I like Taz now, Like he's a good
guy now, So you know, I thought that was cool.
I hated Bill Alfonso. Man, what that whistle? Dude? Yeah,
I was like, how can these people in the arena
like not like attack him for that. It's just so

(02:02:48):
like annoying. And I know that's the reason for it,
but like you don't need to do it that much.
It just really it's distracting. It's distracted from my entertainment, dammit.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
But yeah, that was It was a lot. That was
a lot, especially during the Saboo match, Like it was insane,
Like you just it's like I'm trying to continuous styles man, continuous.
It's just so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
But that was his deal.

Speaker 1 (02:03:13):
I guess that's part of why you hated him. But yeah,
that was That was a lot, but all right, well
let's wrap it up for episode four forty one, Nick,
take us out with some plugs.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
All right. You can follow me on Twitter at underscore pecone.
They's at my TikTok account. Uh so I'm back there
at pecone. Nick. We're gonna try it again, like I
feel like it was, I lost the appeal, so we'll
see if they let me continue to do it on
my new name pocone Nick on TikTok. I'm also at

(02:03:48):
pocon nick on Threads and at pocone on Blue Sky
as well, and you can find my writing at crossingbroad
dot com. I'll be hitting on anything Eagles, Phillies, Flyer
Sixers Union, any fit Philly related things, and possibly some
wrestling coming up here as we go to the end

(02:04:10):
of twenty twenty five. You can find that at crossingbroad
dot com. I have one that just went out not
too long ago about why to certain people in Philly
once wide receiver drama all of a sudden, didn't we
want for years to not have it, and now we

(02:04:31):
don't have it, but we want it? What's up with that?
So you can check that out at crossingbroad dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:04:40):
People are bored.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
I think I might have put that in there, but
I know they're just Eagles are too good, man, So
we've got to create something.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
And Eagles fans board with winning.

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
Where are we in society now? And again, not just
talking heads, it's fans too, some random fans you'll see
like what the hell are you talking about? But talking
heads are part of it as well.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
I think part of it is that people just don't
know the history of the team. And I can say
this as you know, not just a sports fan, but
I also worked for the team and kind of you know,
you kind of study the history at some point. Literally
had when we I think during the pandemic, we used
to put up like the season recaps of every season
pretty much or like some seasons throughout like different decades.

(02:05:22):
If we had video archive video of it we had,
we will put it up on our YouTube, right. So
we had stuff from like the literally the forties and
the fifties and the sixties and the seventies all through
you know to current day. And man, there were some
bad teams in the sixties. Bro in the seventies they
went they won the title in nineteen sixty they didn't
go back to the playoffs till nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (02:05:44):
Now, granted they were.

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
Far less teams than the playoffs back in those days,
but damn still a.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
Long time eighteen years.

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
Yeah, and then the eighties were better, especially the back
half of the eighties, but like you doing to the
Super Bowl nineteen eighty, but the back half was exciting too,
but like there was some down years. The Eagles until
recent don't have a tradition of like winning all the time.
It's a very recent tradition outside of like nineteen forty eight,
nineteen forty nine to nineteen sixty. Obviously, because those championships

(02:06:12):
count two, right, they are five time NFL champions, not
five to have Super Bowl champions, five time NFL champions.
But uh, but yeah, enjoy this, that might advice. Enjoy
this very special time in Eagles history, because this is
the special time. How many times when you say that
the Eagles are probably undoubtedly the best team in the league,

(02:06:35):
you probably couldn't. You probably couldn't say that even in
twenty seventeen when they won the Super Bowl, even though
they were the best team record wise in the league
all year. But like maybe the forties, like honestly, when
they were. They went back to back and they were
they were a jugging out in those days. It's been
a while. Why it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
Why isn't my wide receiver killing my quarterback publicly?

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
Like, come on, man, that's what they want. That's insane. A. J.
Brown's a good teammate. Maybe he just you know, I'm
sure he wants the ball more. I'm sure I can.
I'm not gonna say I'm sure. I don't know his
thought process, but like knowing wide receivers, he definitely wants
the ball more.

Speaker 2 (02:07:14):
But you know, this is the so I kind of
rounded up with this is the type of wide receiver
we've wanted the whole time, and now we're trying to like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:25):
Make it a controversy.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
Yeah, just to me.

Speaker 1 (02:07:28):
I mean, if you're a fan, I don't know why
you would care about how much they throw the ball,
especially when they just won Super Bowl with a twenty
five hundred yard rusher.

Speaker 2 (02:07:37):
Like they think that, uh, the s is about to
hit the fan and they want to be the first
to call it. I mean, yeah, that's what it boils
out to. I think I would that and they lose
one game and I told you I do see it
with the Phillies a lot, and it's frustrating, and but
I get frustrated game in the game just like any
other fan. But with football, it's different for me because

(02:07:58):
I know how hard it is to win football game
so hard, and when you're playing, you're not playing your best,
and yet you're still winning against still winning opponents the best.
That's what we wanted.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
The Chiefs are arguably the best team outside of the Eagles,
even though they're banged up and they're not they're owing too.
But like in Kansas City, by the way, they've won
three out of the last five Super Bowls. They've been to.

Speaker 2 (02:08:21):
Three straight against the hall of fame coach, hall of
fame quarterback, hall of fame tight end, a great defense,
hall of Fame defensive coordinator like enjoy the It was
the hell of a win. They were up twenty to thirteen.
Like that last touchdown was just like a defensive breakdown
that it could be. I mean, Travis Kelcey could have
that touchdown, but excuse me, he worked up man. I

(02:08:45):
just it's so strange that we, like ten years ago,
we would have killed for this type of team and
we finally have it. And now we're trying to kill it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
Look, you go into those dark corners of the Internet,
that's what you'll find, those dark corners lacking rationale because
we go back, we could go back to ninety seven
when Bobby Hoying was the quarterback. Maybe when they thought
Bobby Hoying was the future.

Speaker 2 (02:09:08):
Nope, because I didn't watch it back then. Well, look,
Donovan McNabb was my first quarterback proas.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
There's a time before McNabb where people were like, maybe
Bobby Horyne is the guy, and they were wrong. They
were all wrong. Uh So, yeah, it could be bleak.
It has been bleak.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
But I do remember Rodney Pete also being like was
he looked at as possibly an answer that quarter.

Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
I mean, he was an answer. I don't know if
he was the future answer, but he was a guy
that was starting.

Speaker 2 (02:09:39):
He started.

Speaker 1 (02:09:39):
I don't I don't know if he was old as
much as he was just not the best quarterback.

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
He wasn't drafted by the Eagles though, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
I think he started in Detroit. I think he started
in Detroit. But he did win the playoff game for
the Eagles ninety five. They beat the Lions, bad, like
fifty five or twenty or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:56):
So January ninety five that would have been well, January
ninety six, ninety six, so maybe maybe December ninety five,
because this is back then the year Shawn Michaels came
back on the Royal Rubble. Goodness, that's what I was
paying attention to. I don't care about the Eagles, apparently Jesus,

(02:10:16):
but I was worried about the boyhood dream coming true
for Shawn Michaels.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
And just for the record, that game took place on
December thirtieth, nineteen ninety five, so late ninety five. Like
I might have said, fifty eight.

Speaker 2 (02:10:26):
Thirty seven have a playoff game that was in December.
That's somebody that started watching in like two thousand. I
feel like, yeah, I've never seen a playoff game in December.

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
They don't do that anymore. But fifty eight thirty seven
I think the most points in postseason Eagles postseason history,
which is insane.

Speaker 2 (02:10:44):
The defense man, that defense is brutal. Kill that defense.

Speaker 1 (02:10:48):
They got smoke next week though, so the defense was
a problem. I'm pretty sure the Cowboys put that thang
on him the next week and it didn't. It didn't
an well, but we're past that. Look look how far
we've come since nineteen ninety five as far as the
Eagles is related. They used to get whipped up on

(02:11:09):
by the Cowboys in the postseason. Now the Cowboys they're
not even in the rear view. They passed them, bro
like what, they're not even in the Eagles way. We're
not looking at them.

Speaker 2 (02:11:19):
We're looking a line that in the show where in
Russell Palooza where they were talking about that those Eagles players.
It was like, maybe if they started hitting as hard
as like Tommy Dreamer and Raven are hitting each other,
they'll beat the Dallas Cowboys. And then uh Rick Ruth goes,
uh yeah, I don't think so paraphrasing, but that that

(02:11:43):
was the conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
Look how far we've come, right, you look how far we.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
Were a punch slide in our old backyard. Hey c
W was taking shots.

Speaker 1 (02:11:53):
I am at one M Johnson X, I'm at Vaughan
Johnson on the Blue Sky, I'm on threads, I'm at
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dive just like this one, or something else. Could be
a TV show, could be a movie. We got man,
it's Halloween time coming up, Nick, So we're gonna watch

(02:12:15):
We're gonna watch See No Evil. We're gonna watch sant
What's what's the What's the Santa movie? I always talking
about Santa Claus, right, I mean we got some Santa Sleigh,
Santa Sligh, so we got some. We got some things
at our disposal. So if you want us to deep
dive into those movies again, Patreon dot com Slash Shooters Radio.

(02:12:39):
But until next time for picone, I am Vaughan Johnson.
Thanks for listening to episode four forty one of The
Straight Shooters and we'll catch you again very soon. Hey Clavage,
wake up the show on.

Speaker 2 (02:12:50):
Oh yeah, Jiggy

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