444: Reel Graps: 'See No Evil' Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What is up everyone out there, Internet Land, and welcome
to episode four forty four Faux Fox, four of the
Straight Shooters available wherever podcasts are found. My name is
Vaughan Johnson and I'm joining as always by my main
man Pots and Pants, Nipple, Cone of Crossing broad and
Fox PHL the Gambler, and we have yet another fantastic

(00:33):
show ahead of us here on episode fou fo fo.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
It is a deep dive. It is a movie.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
So now we're dubbing our movie Deep Dives Real Graps.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
R E E L Get it.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Boom booms, Real Graps, Deep Dive for Real Graps, the
first edition that we're dubbing Real Graps. Since it's Halloween,
it will be a horror movie. We're diving deep into
See No Evil. Finally, after years of talking about it
with diving deep into the movie that starred Kine aka

(01:10):
Glenn Jacobs back in two thousand and six, we're gonna
talk all about it and how bad it is. But
before we do anything else, let me do more weekly
check on my man man pots and Pants, Nick. How
are you on this Friday afternoon? My good brother, what
is this jaunty smacking?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
What is happening. We got VJ Cool, We got VJ
VJ Edgecombe.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh my goodness. I was lost for a second, like
I'm VJ.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Who were talking about they talk about me? That was,
of course from the spectacular film Annie, when they got
Annie and we got Annie. I did the same thing
when we got Daryl Morey, but that didn't really the
good feelings behind that didn't last very long. But are

(02:18):
the Sixers back?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I don't know, honestly. I mean, third most points in
an NBA debut. Ever, thirty four also had seven rebounds,
shot thirteen to twenty six from the field. I think
he shot like five or thirteen from three. Who was
dunking on people shoot from the outside who like man,

(02:45):
He's a dog, complete, complete player.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Wasn't just driving to the hoop. He was hitting.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Buckets from outside from three.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Five of them the anti Ben Simmons.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
It was also just too quick for some people on
the outside just blow by buy him.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Time will tell.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
It is one game, but Six's fans have a reason
to be optimistic for the first time in a little while.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Bro, Yeah, it's been a while, I trust me. I
was about to throw this away as another lost season,
but hey, they can make the playoffs. They you know,
do everything right. They give the young guys more time,
They able to rest emb a little bit more and
not completely fall apart. When he's not on the court,

(03:33):
you know, I feel good.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
The problem is when he was on the court in
that opening, he.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Didn't look great.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
He didn't he did, so I guess there's still some
time for him to get back to one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
And then Paul George has yet. It's funny, it's like, yeah,
that's only one game for VJ. Relaxed, but then it's like, hey,
it's only one game for you know, NB, like let
him you know, for the last true you know too.
So it's like almost a double I don't even want
to say double edged sword. I don't even know what
kind of euphemism I'm going for. But it's funny how

(04:04):
the differences of like getting so hyped over VJ over
one game versus hey, temporary, you know that mean, wasn't
gonna look like Gangbusters when you know, he looked okay
the preseason game he played. But listen, man, his body's
still responding. I guess, so let's just wait it out.
They actually have a better roster around him.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, especially if VJ is capable of scoring. Not saying
he's going to score thirty a night. I don't expect
that from him. I think anybody thinking that is unreasonable
for a rookie. There's a reason why he's only you know,
he's third all time. The first two guys did it,
like in his sixties and fifties, when like Wilt Chamberlain
is the other person who scored more points than him,

(04:49):
like one of the two people, and he came in
as one of the best players playing basketball in the
world at that time, Like he was already that guy
as a rookie. So I score forty something points in
his first game, so it's a something definitely to note
that he's capable of scoring thirty four pretty quickly. That
wasn't like it took a bunch of shots. Of course,
Maxie was hit forty, so I can't forget that.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
But that's without Jeremy Kain So, yeah, man being there, Like,
maybe that's their do big three, right though I guess
the league isn't really the Big three anymore.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's true, but you draft a core and maybe they
have a core guys.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, with VJ.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Tyres and maybe hopefully potentially healthy McCain. And obviously you
still like to have a good big, so you would
like to embiid to be productive still, But the way
the league is, it's not just big driven anymore. I mean,
sure that the thunder did win win side, they got
home gun and they got a Hartenstein in the paint.
But it helps to have productive bigs. But it'd be

(05:50):
you know, I think the guard play man if it's
all if they're all healthy, and I don't know how
they would play together.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I don't know how that.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I guess McCain is the off ball shoe of the
three where you let VJ and Maxie kind of do
the ball handling, I guess, But it'd be fun to watch.
At the very least, three young guys like that all
can just heat up at any time.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
It could be fun. So reasonably be optimistic. So now
I'm not. I'm a little pissed off. Apparently the Washington
Posts has an opinion article, of course, the America's best
sports cities nine cities, and would you believe Philadelphia is

(06:41):
not on the list. Wow of this opinion article, we
have Los Angeles, Oh, Kansas City, Okay, Chicago, which all right, sure, Detroit,

(07:01):
all right, shout out to shout out to Cleveland, Buffalo, Okay,
all right, New York, Boston. I mean Philadelphia is not
on the list. It's only nine. Yeah, that's interesting. Well

(07:23):
who cares? Honestly, they didn't even put Washington on the list.
Washington at them? All right? So as we're talking about
it like the new Sixers dynasty coming, stop it right now.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Eagles, they got a big game against the Giants at home,
but A. J.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Brown won't be playing. Got him trade? No, No, that.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Would be outrageous. Uh, let's talk about some current well
for one. World Series is starting as we record this
later to any predictions thoughts, since we talked so much
baseball thout the season, I figured i'd get your world
serious thoughts.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I'm sure the Dodgers will win. But you know, I
thought that maybe I would mend some fences with the
Toronto Blue Jays fans after posting their radio call of
George Springer's go ahead homer in Game seven of the Alcs.
But they were mad at me. Oh no, do you

(08:29):
know why they were mad at me?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
You got Canadians mad at you? What's this all aboot?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
So I said, and you know, we know Canada sucks, right,
they might not know. I don't know that, No, I
can as Canada. Quoted from wrestling with Shadows from outside,
wearing a Canada shirt with his flag, saying, I don't know.
Maybe it does suck, but I'll not even going there.

(09:00):
But I posted the you know, the Blue Jays radio
call of the most important home run in Toronto Blue
Jay's history of the Joe Carter home run towards Springer.
Ain't no one know about Joe Carter?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
What?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
What are you talking about that one in the one series?
I mean you get the joke, right, Yeah? Okay, so
you're still trying them while still highlight. They did not
appreciate that getting all these Canadians would up man. I
so I didn't know it would go crazy. But there

(09:39):
were clearly more people that were angry about it than
understood the joke. So it makes sense. Yeah, it kept it.
It was like over one hundred read sweets and oh man,
I'm not a hundred cooking one thousand. Oh damn ratio.
So I had to, uh, you know, write an article
on Crossing broad about the literal joke. Hey, it made

(10:03):
for good contest hey not. And in the moment, I'm like, oh,
like this will be a funny joke, not thinking like
my aim wasn't that type of viral viral virality? I
guess yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, Like no,
even Philly fans were not in on it. I was

(10:23):
like a lot of them were. But then you get
like the Phillies fans be like, I'm a Phillies fan
and that's definitely not the most home run.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
And it was like, like, doesn't always land on social media.
You should know this by now.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
I should know it by now. And I thought, you know,
this is like.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
A wink emoji or something. You don't get a wink
emoji or something. You can't just leave that what appeared
at the end, People are like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Bro? You are wrong? Oh I put wow. So. I
mean a lot of times when you hear when you
see wow, you're like, huh, it's almost like I don't
think so, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
You can see those like NFL like football troll account,
they would like post like just content o' go wow
or crazy. That's how they start. You probably shouldn't start
that way.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Well, I get it, but one click on my profile.
Just one click on my profile and you literally see
where I'm from Philly. So if you're a big baseball historian,
as you know, a lot of people claim to be, oh,
I know more about baseball history than you do, you

(11:32):
would think that my profile saying Philly and with a
lot of Philly centric tags, you could click on to
be like, oh, that's like that guy's from Philly, must
be a Phillies fan. Of course, my first season watching
baseball Phillies baseball fully was the nineteen ninety three Philly season,

(11:53):
So why wouldn't I be joking? Like and so many
people like these clariously self proclaimed baseball historians, you know,
say they know more baseball than I do. It's like, dude,
that was literally my first like heartbreak. Ever, you can't
you can't, like I literally acknowledged Joe Carter's home run

(12:15):
without acknowledging it, Like how do you not? You know,
get it?

Speaker 1 (12:20):
But you gotta add some type of thing to it.
Asking too much of people on social media.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I mean, that's I think you hit the nail on
the head, because these are the same type of people
that will chastise others for not doing their research. So
I do. I do think that's pretty funny, so as
they don't do their own research. So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
You're asking too much. You're asking too much. Let's shift
over to some wrestling news. Seth Rollins was the w
W ward Heavyweight Champion, but he is no more the champion.
No longer the champion, I should say, as he suffered
a shoulder injury at Crown Jewel that will keep him

(13:04):
out for a little while. It's gonna have surgery on
his shoulder. We don't know the extent or the specific injury,
but we do know enough that it's enough that.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
He will be out for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
And we're gonna crown a new world heavyweight champion at
Saturday Nights main event in a match between Jay Usso
and CM Punk. Of course, Sam Punk has already earned
his world title shot before Seth Rowlins got injured. But then,
of course, when they dropped the title, or at least
he had, they strip Seth Rollins of the title, they

(13:37):
had to put up a new challenger against them. Punk
and Jay Usso is that guy via a Battle Royal
that he won on raw. So now that's Jay usso
versus see him punk. At Saturday Nights main event, Seth
Rollins was written off TV by way of bron Breaker
cutting them in half with the spear and breaking up
I guess, or kicking seth Rollins, I should say, out

(13:59):
of the vision as the vision carries on with bron Breaker,
Bronson Reid and Paul Hammond, who called Seth Rollins a
bum shoulder B word, I'll say that a witch. It
rhymes a witch and I was like, my god, that
seemed unnecessary. But how are you feeling about, for one,

(14:23):
Seth Rollins being gone again with injury, this time for real,
not not for play play like the last time when
he was joking and kept up the gimmick even in
his real life, but for real this time. Also, where
do we see the vision going right? And then who

(14:43):
do you got for the next world champion? To be
the next world champion?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I should say, tough questions, man, tough questions. I'm annoyed
at Seth Rollins for getting injured. Is that bad? Maybe?
I mean, it wasn't a spot where he past does
stupid move that he never does, and why are you
doing it? A crown jewel like?

Speaker 1 (15:04):
And it didn't seem like it got the effect that
they were looking for. I'm not sure what it was
supposed to be a diving head.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
But that's what I thought. It's like, you don't have
the rains, bro, Like your knees were already shot. Do
you think you have the jump off?

Speaker 1 (15:17):
It was just like, it's just where does he land
in that? Like, what's the best case scenario of the
of the landing? You know, even if he did it right,
what's the best case scenario from that thing.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Landing on his forearms? I guess yeah, I don't know
either way.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
It pos sounds like, you know, like right, it sounds
like something that's gonna hurt, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Like watching it back and watching the end where he
most likely suffered the injury is just like for who
for what? It's my favorite phrase on this show because
there's so many things that people do that they just
don't need to and it's costing him might cost some WrestleMania.
I mean, for all we know, we don't know exactly
how long he's good about It does feel like a

(15:56):
while based on the bron and Bron and turning on
him and boy Paul Hayman's talking about him. It doesn't
feel like he's going to be back soon. So, you know,
one of the best runs of his life career, you know,
like just getting started, really so, and I was looking

(16:19):
forward to seeing Broun get that face turn when he
eventually turns on sets, and we don't get that now.
So it's like it could have been like a Batista
turning on Triple H and Ric Flair moment, and we're
not going to get it because I mean, even though
Bron did turn on him, it didn't have the same
effect that you know it would have next year. So yeah,

(16:41):
I and I'd read some earlier, I guess. Dave Melser
reported that the plan literally is to get broad in
the title, but they have a plan in place for it,
and they weren't if they he wasn't gonna win it
Saturday night's main event because it was on Peacock. They
didn't think apparently they don't enjoy those p ls on

(17:02):
Peacock anymore because they don't think a lot of people
watch them. So they won as many eyeballs uh Bron
winnings as possible, so they weren't going to put him
in the battle Royal just to have him blues get eliminated.
Stuff like that, even though I guess they could have,
you know, had they You can book your way out
of certain things, and I think that's one thing. If

(17:23):
you kept Broad in there, everyone probably thought he was
gonna win. But you like the commission that the.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Way you're out of the Battery Royal now your your
actions have consequences, They have repercussions.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
So I didn't I didn't mind it. No, I mean,
I guess that's the least they could do. Right, Well,
you know what, let's just say, I'm not going to
let you in even though you were already in, but
because I guess it'd be weird to reward him after
hurting the World champ. Yeah, yeah, so but yeah, I'm
looking forward really to seeing Bron's rise Sue that side ale,

(17:57):
So I really don't care about Jus we're seeing punk
right now, as bad as that sounds, obviously, I'll interested
in how the finished goes. I still think Jay makes
more sense than Sampunk right now because cmpunk. How has

(18:18):
he got a few with people that turned on Seth
who he hates, like, I just don't understand that. So,
I mean, I think more of the opinion of Sampunk
just becoming the leader of the Vision.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Like that'd be wild, that'd be insane, but it wouldn't
fit what bron Breakers on right now. Bron Breakers has
to be the front, the face of that group right now.
But Sampunk just if he wins the title. Let's say
Seampunk wins the championship the Vision. In this case, bron
Breaker could go act him because he has Sampunk would

(18:48):
have what bron Broker wants.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's gonna be that simple, Yeah, it can be.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
And he literally had the title over his shoulder and
did not want to give it up. So clearly he's
got his eyes his sight set on being world champion.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, he gave it to Paul right to give to Adam,
so that was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Like, so I get it, but I don't see him
taking a step back with somebody else now after.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Monday, I probably agree with you more than I you know,
before Monday, I would have thought, oh, seem Punk is
the leader of the Vision. Sounds cool. The reunited with
Paul Hayman and just become what seth Rollins was to
bron and Bronson. But they might not need that right now. Honestly,
you know, it could just be those two honestly, So
I'll say honestly again three times in a row.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
And as far as jay Usso, I can see them
kind of flipping him more heel with him, like lashing
out at Jimmy and now you kind of make them
feud again, but with the roles reversed maybe, you know,
and some people are probably wouldn't love that because the
match of WRESTLEMANI didn't go that well and people aren't
just happy with Jay Ussel at all right now because

(19:55):
he's in He's in this match with see Him Punk,
which is like, hey man, what do you want to well?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
And he was just eating with a baby, literally carrying
a little old baby while yeating in the crowd.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
You know that, don't that's because he's in the mat,
doesn't mean he's gonna win. Yeah, I mean it's probably
gonna be seeing Punk anyway.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, probably a vehicle to further the Jay and Jimmy stuff.
And where does Roman fit into that? As we you
know what happens to Roman now like it was seth gone,
So I don't know if like it's just gonna be
him like Bron's gonna have to win it before Roman, Like,
Roman's not gonna win it for Braun.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Maybe that's that's you could go there. I don't know,
you could go with them going against each other at
some point.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, I would like Broun to keep that sidle whatever
he wins it. So I don't know if it's something
that would Roman come back and when that title just
so bron could beat him, Like, I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's interesting. A lot of interesting things have come out
of the seth rollins. Even though it's unfortunate for him
and maybe unfortunate for ww's long term booking. It has
created a lot of jury because now look at all
the possibilities we have now to run with. It makes
it all the more intriguing as we head into some
pretty big shows. Now we got Survivor series, got war Games.

(21:17):
What's gonna happen at war games?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Is there gonna be?

Speaker 1 (21:19):
What kind of war games are gonna get? Who's gonna
be in war games?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (21:23):
And then you got this Saturday Night's man Evment coming up,
and of course you have to or rumble. You know,
the big shows are happening right now, and now all
this intrigue is only gonna make it, hopefully, hopefully more interesting.
Of course, we got Johnsen's retirement coming up soon. There's
a lot of a lot of stuff going on after
Seth Roland's injury. Speaking of titles, Mercedes Mone, it's up

(21:47):
to twelve of them things old tom.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Monet or old to Money.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
They're calling them ult to Momnet, but ulti Mone, I
don't know either way. She got all the title, y'all.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
At least it's not ultimate Mona.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
No ultimate Mona. Ultimate doesn't even make sense to me.
Get that nonsense out of here. But here are the
titles that Mercedes Money currently holds. He is the ae
W TBS Champion, the CMLLL Women's World Champion, He rev
Pro Undisputed British Women's and Queen's and Women's and Queen

(22:24):
of south Side Champion, the rev Pro Undisputed British Women's
and Queen of south Side Champion.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Nice. It's a long, long title pro rev rev R EV.
I heard w e B. I heard rev the first
time you said it, and that I heard WEB the
second time you said it. Rev.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Uh these get lost shorter, don't worry. H e w
A Women's Championship that's a European Wrestling Association. If you
didn't know, the Chaotic Wrestling, the Chaotic Wrestling Women's Championship,
that's for Chaotic Rere Prime Time Women's Wrestling, Women's Championship,
Best YA Women's Championship, Discovery Wrestling, Scottish Women's Championship, the

(23:08):
Body Slam Women's champions of Body Slam all caps. By
the way, of course, she's the own Heart Cup Champion
as well. She's also the interim ROH Women's World Television Champions.
She just won that at Wrestle Dream and then a
day later she won the Winnipeg Pro Wrestling. Can't keep
up with these damn titles. Winnipeg Pro Wrestling Women's Championship

(23:33):
of course, from Winnipeg Pro Wrestling.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
The wppwh.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Wpw W at the Rumble and the Burts, like the no, no, no,
just one word, that's all one word. This is too
much for me, So Rumble and the Burts in Winnipeg.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
That's what it happened. Should be Jody.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Threat for the title. So that's twelve twelve championships and
people aren't happy for some reason. You are like it's
a waste of time.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
These that don't really care. I think I just possibly not.
I can't possibly care about someone holding that many titles.
I mean, like we've seen it before. She's not the
first one to have a run like this.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I think the thing that cracks me up, and I
even posts about this on X is that when you
think the independent promotion shouldn't book her or shouldn't have
her win the title because oh yeah, you'll pop a number,
she'll pop the attendants at one time.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
But what happens when she leaves is they go back down.
It's like, so are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (24:40):
So to suppose to turn down having a big name
on the show once probably twice, because she if she
wins the title one time, she's probably going to go
back to lose the title at the future later date.
So you're talking about at least you'd assume assume. Let's
make assumptions here. I'm saying this is an assumption. Two
appearances with these promotions, when when she wins title, when

(25:02):
where she loses the title, those are probably going to
be those promotions biggest two shows of the year attendance wise,
And you're telling me that they should turn that down
just for the same old crowd just because they can't,
it won't be at that level moving forward.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
What are you talking about, By the way, these are
most likely people that don't even watch that promotion. They
don't even never heard of the show.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
When it's the last time you watched Winnipeg Pro Wrestling.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I didn't know it existed before I saw one of
their tweets exactly, you know. Like, and that's what irritates
me about the discourse that I try. I just can't.
Like sports is funny to me, so like I'll participate
in that type of discourse, but like, wrestling has just
gotten so much worse than the sports in general when
it comes to discussing it on social media that I

(25:50):
just I can't. I just can't. I don't ever want
to give opinions in written form when it comes to
wrestling unless I'm getting paid for it. At this point,
I say, yeah, obviously this podcast, but like it. You know,
I'm not watching these shows a live tweet like I
used to, because it's like, no, like I like that,
but oh I thought that was bad because I don't.

(26:11):
I just don't want to get involved in in that.
So I do see a lot of this stuff that
you know, people get being mad at this or that.
It's like, man, you don't even watch that, so shut up. Yeah,
that's totally fair.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Its just people don't I'm not saying I'm king promoter here,
but like, have you like followed promoters and how they
do things right? Like if you did, you might have
some idea and how this works. And these independent promoters
can't afford to turn down these opportunities period. What do
you think they drawing on a normal basis, they'd be

(26:44):
lucky to get two three hundred people at a show.
That's a good night for some of these promotions. And
if Mercedes Monet and they can draw five hundred dollar
of a sudden because they got her on the show,
you damn I they're gonna do it. And if they
get in a second time, that's now a thousand.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
People that she drew.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
That wouldn't have been there, or at least a chunk
of that wouldn't have been there.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I'm sure you got more people ordering the show if
it's available on whatever exactly you know she has.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
She has fans, dedicated fans for better for worse. Because
some of those fans are crazy too.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
They while everybody has right they have their hives, so
to speak.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
But I mean you want that dedicated fan base to
also they're invested, so they might invest in all of
a sudden, you know, and watch European Wrestling Association if
it's available. Oh, she's in Discovery Wrestling in Edinburgh, Scotland.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Let me check that out. I don't know, so yeah,
take it easy, guys. You don't even know how to
do this. You know nothing about this.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Those promoters, you think all those promoters are doing the
wrong thing, every single one of them. Meanwhile, their title
is on aw Television and we're talking about on this podcast,
and it's being talked about in many other podcasts with
even even bigger, even larger followings.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
It's even larger podcasts out there, that's true. But you
know there's some podcasts with big followings out there and
they're talking about Winnipeg Pro Wrestling. You know that's wild.
Good for Winnipeg Pro Wrestling, good for all those promotions.
I saw them reply to somebody. It was just like
laughing at them and I was like, yeah, like I

(28:28):
want more. I want to say more of that, or
like like you can't. You're sitting here on the internet
where we're a company, a wrestling company, like making decisions,
and you think your business document is better than ours.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Like and we we know the we know the budget,
we know the numbers, we know how A lot of
promotions they aren't they ride the kind of the edge
of a razor blade kind of deal like they you know,
it's not like they just flush with cash. Let's just
say that a lot of them they are going week
to week, month to month. You know, they're just happy
to have the show next month. Some of these promotions, what.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
If you think they shouldn't book Mercedes Monette, they looking
to have her when they title and carry it around
like it means something to her, like it's important to her. Yeah,
that's good for them, wild people, wild people, but not
for this current day nonsense. Are you ready to do

(29:28):
some real graps? Dive deep into see no Evil?

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Let's you know, I'm gonna have to make up some
like type of jingles, real graps. Let us check out
some real graps. I don't know why that can't do it.
That's kind of funny though, Actually that's actually now I

(29:53):
think about it. Wait a second, I kind of maybe
I jumped the gun there a little bit. That's actually
pretty good. Grap that's pretty good. Actually, we'll make it better.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll workshop this, we'll workshop this.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
But are you ready to dive deep? I have to
because you made me. All right, let's do it. Let's
do it.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Let's get into it. Let's get into the details about
See No Evil, which was released in theaters on May nineteenth,
two thousand and six. You may remember that day if
you're a WW fan at that time period, because WWE
decided to promote the movie by making the day of
its release the center of a storyline involving Kane, where

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every time he heard that date, he'd lose his mind
and destroy everything within the mile radius, and they would
just say the date May nineteen, and in the storyline
is supposed to be like some the day of some
traumatic thing and from his childhood.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I can't remember specifically what it was.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's probably terrible, ib be, not even worth repeating in hindsight.
But whenever he would hear that date, he will go
nah and beat everybody up.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
And that would just so happen to also be the
same day that this movie was being released.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Coincidence. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I think maybe maybe not, but yeah, there was a
little heavy handed so to speak, right, like a little
bit with that. I would say, uh, it kind of
it got annoying, but it was kind of funny too.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
We would hear it too. It was like we were
hearing what he was hearing in his head or something. Yeah, like, no,
I don't think anyone else could hear it. It's so bizarre. Yeah,
it was. It was really weird. Wanted to be like
the Hogan Warriors mirror thing. Oh no, oh man, It's like,
why why are we able to hear of nobody else's
except Kate? Like same thing with the Bailey today. We

(31:56):
hear her in her thoughts. It's like, why why can't
we do that?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
This is technically the fourth film produced by w W Film. Yes,
even though it was like the you know, the first
real major release that they touted. They also helped produce
movies that start Dwayne the Rock Johnson before this, The
Scorpion King, The Rundown, and Walking Tall. We're all under

(32:23):
w w F. At least they put helped produce it.
They put the money up for it.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
They I don't know. I think I was said, Walking
Tall is a remake.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I do know that, right, I do remember that I'm
not sure about the Rundown, and we know Scorpion King
was a spin off of the Mummy. But See No
Evil is like the first major property outside of the
Rock for one, and that they promoted under like the
WW Films banner. Right, this is like their big coming
out movie, even though they had helped produce three prior movies,

(32:56):
but this is the first big one that they did.
This movie stars Kane, who, of course we also know
as the Knox County, Tennessee mayor Glenn Jacobs.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
H So so why didn't they list him as Glenn Jacobs, Well,
because nobody knew who the hell that was.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Back in two thousand and six, he was just Caine,
just Kane, but now he's County Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
If he started a movie as Isaac Yankom, it would
have been starring Isaac Yankom.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I guess if he was in the movie in the
mid nineties, like a sequel to Doctor Giggles or something.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I don't know if you ever seen Doctor I have
when I was like a kid man dude, and I
haven't seen it since, but I my sister watched it
or something and I was like in and out on
the horror movies as a kid. Oh, that was one
that I unfortunately unfortunately you were. You were blessed, You
were blessed, blessed watch horror movies. Doctor Giggles, which, if

(33:56):
you don't know, is a horror movie about a killer
dentist and every time he killed somebody he goes like
he got like laughing gast. I guess.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
I never watched it a couple of years ago, honestly
because it was so non that I cann think of
if man, look, don't make me look.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Back at the cast and see, I need to make
sure there isn't you.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Know, I will check, don't worry. But yes, this film
does not star Isasen Yankum. It is Kine, who, of
course is the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
This film was also co produced, i should say, by
lions Gate, who also distributed the movie, which is probably
how this movie got in theaters, to be honest with you,
and Lionsgate, for those who don't know, has been involved
with some major major film franchises such as Twilight, Hunger Games,
John wick Nove is Out La La Land, some of

(34:53):
the Medea movies and American Psycho. Also listed as an
executive producer is Vincent Kennedy McMahon, so in case you
were wondering.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Who executive produced this movie.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
The movie was widely panned by critics, not surprisingly, and
it has a Rotten Tomato score of nine percent from
the critics an audience score of fifty percent somehow, fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I don't know how it got that high. I was
gonna say, what's that like, good or bad?

Speaker 1 (35:25):
That's I would say average because it's fifty out of
one hundred, but that the movie, this movie is below average.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
I was gonna say, that seems good there.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
This is way higher than it should be. What's wrong
with us? What's wrong with people?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
A lot?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Apparently that we gave See No Evil of fifty percent
on Rotten Tomatoes. But despite the bad reviews and the
I guess average reviews from the fans, the movie still
made a profit, earning one yeah, earning eighteen million dollars
worldwide against what I saw was an eight million dollar budget.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
So that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
And that's not uncommon for horror movies. They generally are
made cheap, but people flock to the movie theaters to
see them. Still to this day, even if they're bad,
it can make some money. And trust me, there are
much better horror movies than See No Evil. So I'm
not totally surprised to See No Evil made a profit
when you really think about, like how even movies hit

(36:27):
this day. Again, some of the top movies that people
have seen in the last couple of years far as
box office numbers are horror movies. Like Terrifier three was
number one movie in the country. That's what Chris Jericho
is saying every week on AW He was right. But
it's also because people aren't going to the movies as
much anymore. So a movie like Terrifier three can get
to the number one spot, but like Sinners Weapons, both

(36:49):
of them I think top top the box offices this year,
or at least I know they made a lot of money.
And when you're talking about movies, oh, people not going
to the movies as much as they as they used to,
still going to see horror movies, so and now it's
the case. Now that's the case. Now it's just saying,
and now it's definitely the case. Back in the two
thousands and the nineties, these Friday why do you think

(37:10):
they made eight Friday the Thirteenth movies because they would
cheap and they would make money. Same thing with Halloween.
It made seven of those, eight of those.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
At least cheap and make money. So here we are
again with See No Evil. Uh the plot paper thin.
I'm still kind of wrapped in my head around it.
By the end of the movie, it's just like, Okay,
what are we doing? Why are we here? Why is
anybody here? I'm very clearly not a movie guy if

(37:39):
you listen to this podcast anymore, Like I used to
watch movies a lot, but not even like a horror
movie guy. So it's funny how the horror movies are
usually like easier to digest because it's that you don't
have to like overthink, and here I'm trying to overthink
this because no, I'm just like at the ending at

(37:59):
Lee made sense to me. It kind of brought some
things together. But during the course of the movie, I
just couldn't get over like the why that's fair?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
The thing about and now I would say this, I
think I've said this many times before. I'm a big
horror movie fan, so I'm excited that we finally get
a horror movie. This might be our first horror movie
on here, right, So we finally got one and then
see No Evil. So I'm excited, right, And I watch
a lot of horror movies, and I think of myself
as a you know, a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I don't want to say condos sour.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
But like definitely I'm passionate about them, right. And the
thing I like about horror movies is that they lend
themselves to a lot of like allegory and themes, so
you can get creative with what the monster represents. You know,
some movies, it's a monster, the physical manifestation is a monster,
but it's an allegory about trauma or something like that, right.
And or it could be you know, pro environment, it

(38:51):
could be anti big corporation. It could be all kinds
of allegories that they can use and shape with and
tell the story and use horror as a vehicle to
tell that story. I think it's still, to this day
to one of the more creative genres. And that's why
horror movies are doing well at the box office is
because Centers is an original property. Weapons is an original

(39:12):
property with original themes, and not really original themes, but
an original plot, original IP where a lot of movies
aren't original ips no more their comic books or their
rehashes or reboots or you know, requels. Even horror movies
have gotten into the requel game right or the the
you know, the the reboots games. Scream is an example

(39:32):
of that. But the plot here just isn't there. And
See No Evil it's just not there, and there's no.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Themes.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
It's just and sometimes, look, let me say this, sometimes
some movies don't need a bunch of details and sometimes
things just happen and they don't need a bunch of explanation.
But they just feelt like they wanted some explanation and
they just didn't have enough of a plot to get
it fully across. It's like, here's some lore, but it's
like there's still nothing there. Did the bare minimum of

(40:10):
as far as lore and storytelling if you're going to
actually do it.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
But that's what we got.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
It's just pretty much the premise was what would it
look like if King was in a horror movie? And
that's See No Evil pretty much that's what we got.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
And talk about horror movies and it's like usually you
I'd say, what twenty minutes into the movie maybe a
half hour you kind of know, okay, like I'm behind
that character, I'm behind this character. I want to see
that character die first. Didn't feel any of that for
this movie, Like there was no so bland where I

(40:48):
literally did not care about anyone. And I don't think
like the horror movies I've seen and even just movies
in general, you're like, oh, I'm you almost see from
the beginning, Okay, I'm behind that character. I want to
see this character develop them From the very second scene
in this movie, I hated every character equally. I just

(41:09):
never rebounded, which some.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Horror movies do in an effort to like make you
feel less bad about their you know, eventual death. But
they usually for every you know, a couple of people
they have that's not necessarily the nicest people or people
you might want to see get killed, there's usually one
or two people that are redeeming, that are nice. And

(41:32):
I don't know if we had that many people in
here that will fit that fit that mold of like,
oh I want to see them survive, right, So who
is responsible for this paper thin plot and paper thin movie?

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Well?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
The film was directed by Gregory Dark, making his feature
film debut and it does look like it before see
No Evil Dark Director music video. So the likes of
outcame with this song for Rosa Parks, one of my
favorite Outcast songs of all time. He also did Snoop Dogg,
Britney Spears, Ice Cube. He specifically for ice CB We

(42:09):
Be Clubbing, which is based you know the song we
use my flag football team. My flag football team is
called the Players Club.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
That's what we voted upon as a team, and we
be Clubbing. It's pretty much an unofficial theme song for
if you've seen Players Club, you know why? Okay, Nick,
maybe we could dive into that one. Probably not, it's
not wrestling related. I don't think there's any wrestlers in that.
Michael Clarke Duncan is in it. He probably did something
in wrestling. I don't know, it's big. He might have

(42:37):
done something.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Oh oh, tiny listter, isn't it so Zeus is in
that movie. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure Zeus is in
that movie. If I'm not.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
If I'm if I'm mistaken, I'm gonna be sad because
I'm pretty sure Tiny List is in that movie. All right,
But Gregory Dark. He also did videos for Lincoln Park,
Mandy Moore, Vitamin C. Remember the graduation song. Yeah, Gregory
Dark directed that video.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
And more.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
But he wasn't the first person to make this move,
you know, it wasn't unique. Remember Hype Williams.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
You probably don't remember Hype Williams, but william Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Hype Hype. He was a legendary music video director. But
before he directed Belly, which was his belief. It was
his film debut, which.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Was a bad movie.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
But at least it looked cool. Uh See No Evil,
though was not good, nor did it look cool. Belly
still looks pretty good. See No Evil has aged?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Okay, it has. It shows his age.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
It looks very of the times of the mid two thousands.
Gregory Dark has also produced videos such as Knight of
the Living Babes, No associating with the No association with.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
The George Ramrril series.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
By the way, just in case anyone was wondering, I
don't know what that is though, Night of the Living Babes,
and nor am I going to investigate?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
But I just saw it.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I thought it was worth mentioning. The film was written
by Dan Madigan and You're wondering who is Dan Madigan.
He was a writer for WWE, and See No Evil
is his only film writing credit according to IMDb. So
Vinces said, hey, you you like horror movies, right, write
me a movie. Dan Madigan said, all right, well, I

(44:26):
mean I've always wanted to write a movie, and here
we are. We could See No Evil starring in See
No Evil. Of course it is Kine Glenn Jacobs. He
is Jacob Goodnight. So creative naming there, from the first
name from Glenn Jacobs to Jacob Goodnight. Also the last

(44:50):
name good night.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
They it couldn't at least I don't know if it
would have been worse if they misspelled it it. But
it's just g O O D N I G h
T yeah, good night and one word. And the funniest
part is this entire time, I thought the last name
was good Men, and I was like, oh, that makes
sense good Man, Like he's not a good Man, so

(45:16):
it makes sense that his last name is good Man.
And I didn't realize it was actually good Night until
right before we started the show. So and I laughed
at because he had mentioned, oh, Jacob good Night, and
I was like, ah, that should have been his name,
and no, that is his name. I was like, wait
a second, and I literally have the cast list here

(45:36):
and it literally says Jacob good Night. But in my
head I read good men, you just saw good Night,
and it was like, it can't be that. That's silly,
Like my brain good Man not compute that he's.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Related to John Okay, he's this his long lost, long distant,
distant distant cousin. Okay, because Jacob good Night is not
a not a good person. You know, he's the victim
of some childhood trauma for sure. But he'd be out
here carrying a sharp hook and just throwing it onto
people and dragging people back to his layer and then

(46:09):
taking their eyes out with his bare hands. And this place, man,
we'll talk about it. Place looks nasty. Keep a nasty house, okay,
Flies flying around everywhere, you know, it's stinking it. He
just got eyeballs sitting in jars. Eugh, so nasty, smelling
his stinky probably, Oh when's the last time he showered?
And then he's killing people. Oh man, there's murdering people

(46:31):
lefting right then. Even when he carries people, he just
carries him recklessly. He be slamming them up against stuff,
doorways and walls. Jesus stiff right, hell, bro at least
carry me right?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
You want me to be alive and you known slam
it up against the doorway. I'm dead now what you're
carrying me for? This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
The film also starts Christina Vadal as Christine.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Oh is like I loved that. Oh man, that's how
you know?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
It is just like, we didn't really have names of
these characters. So what's your the first name? Christina Christine
all Right. Vidal's career fortunately did not die as a
result of this film. She's been in numerous movies and
TV shows, including Blue Bloods, Being Mary Jane Girlfriends, and
a movie called I Think I Love My Wife with

(47:22):
Chris Rock which was I saw one time, It's pretty funny,
and most recently Freaky or Friday, which is big time, big, big.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Deal, a literal true success story. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Fortunately, we also got another one in Michael J. Pagan
as Tie. He's been in a bunch of stuff, including
Gridiron Gang, which starred The Rock about that. He just
got a thing for being in the wrestling movies We're Wrestlers.
He's also been in Cold Case, CSI and CSI Miami
and the sequel to See No Evil See No Evil Too.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I did not look at what he was. But but
I'm pretty sure Tie died in this movie. I was
gonna say almost certain. It wouldn't have been the same. Look.
Maybe it is in the future and he's like his
twin brother. I don't know he's his twin brother.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Kai Kai and Tie. I don't know Ka Tie. Indeed,
I don't know how it happened.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
That's exactly what events he was casting this and well
maybe when we deep dive into See No Evil Too,
we'll see. But I look into it when when we
dive into that's that's more ominous than this movie.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I mean, I don't think he got released in theater,
so maybe he didn't get as much attention and care
as this one did, which it's frightening.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I would be the scariest part. I would look forward
to seeing the Bunchet in the box office.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
For that one, if it got released in theaters. I
don't know if it did or not, but true, one
day we'll find out. Nick, don't worry, don't worry, don't.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Rush it, don't don't rush it. Don't look at that.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
We also have Samantha Noble as Kira. She's the daughter
of not Jamie Noble, but John Noble, who starred as
Dinner Thor in the Lord of the Rings movies. I'm
not super familiar with Lord of the Rings, so forgive
me if I said that wrong, but if you are,
you know who he is and his daughter is in
this movie. She's like kind of sort of the main girl,
but not really, sort of but not really, but it

(49:40):
is among the main characters in the movie along.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
With just like Christine read of the Vision, she.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Takes all the punishment because that's what happens here. But
along with her and Christine is really the two main
at least girls.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
In the movie.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
There's another guy who's kind of the main guy, and
he kind of sucks. Good to him in a second,
It sucks a lot somehow, but somehow he's like one
of the.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Main heroes in the movie.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
But the movie, according to IMDb, is about a group
of delinquents are sent to clean the Blackwell Hotel. Little
do they know, reclusive psychopath Jacob Goodnight has hauled away
in a rotting hotel. When one of the teens is captured,
those who remain a group that includes the cop who

(50:28):
put a bulletin good Knight's head four years ago, band
together to survive against the brutal killer. What a time
we're about to have.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Thank you to the listeners who are still with us.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Stick with this baby is about to be a good time.
Because this movie looks just looks horrible. I hate the
way this movie looks, the lighting, the just the draveness.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
This just doesn't look fun.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Gets the horror movies. He wanted to kind of resemble
the mood.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Oh, come on as a non horror movie. Guy, I
didn't mind the look.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Oh, I hated it.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
It didn't even seem like something that would get released
in theaters. It seemed like something that would be on
like sci fi bro.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
It looked bad. It looked.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
And it was made even worse by the fact that
it came out into two thousands, when.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
A lot of movies just looked bad.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
It just looked ugly for some reason, like unfortunately, things
have been mostly changed in that in that sense in movies.
But man, the two thousands, especially the early two thousands
and even to like twenty ten's like with the lensic
flares and stuff like that, and glares I should say,
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Like that, but like, this just looks bad. I just
didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
And oh, let's not forget the editing with the quick
cuts and the zooms and the flashes very very two thousands.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
So yeah, that was part of the Okay, like, I'm
fine with it because I don't want these that often,
so it kind of did add a little bit to
it for me. But I don't think these movies are
made for people like me, Like movies like this are
made for horror fans, like, no, man, this is a
bad movie, bro, I think it is. Man like maybe

(52:16):
every Horrors in two thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
I get you, I get you, but I guess for
that time period, I guess you're right, because even Saw,
the original Saw had some wild edits, right, like the
way they slow the frame rate down and again the
quick cuts to stuff like that, and it's just like
the like the flashing light to random things. It's just happening,
and it just like I said, random zooms.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Just didn't like the music they had, the certain music.
I was like, okay, like I could see if you're
watching this at the theater, HAL could add to that,
but again, not a movie buff of it by any means,
and certainly not a horror movie buff.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
There are better ones, Nick, I'm sure, I'm sure, but
I'm we we had to watch this, so we Did't's.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Get it out the way, right, Look, think about it.
We don't have to do this particular movie again, right
because we've done it now. The movie starts real quick
with two cops.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
One of them is just named Williams. Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
That's how he's listed as in IMDb. Williams.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
They're attempting to rescue a girl from our house.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
They get to the house and one of them immediately
gets murdered by Jacob Goodnight. Uh, the other being William
because his hand chopped off, but he survives.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
He saves a girl, but not before her eyes are
torn out, so she's you know, changed forever.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
And then there's some newscasts talk about how many of
their bodies in the house, and uh, there's one survivor
and the cops survived, and you know, they kind of
get some details about what exactly happened there. It's pretty
much Jacob good Night who got shot in the ordeal.
That's how he has a hole in the back of
his head. Which is disgusting, and how does.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
He alive after take a bullet to the back of
the head. Is he a zombie?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
But we fast forward four years later and we're still
with Williams who is waking up after being still haunted
by that night where he shot that man and he
still survived and he got his hands chopped off, and
then they meet. Then we meet the delinquents as they
are called the troublemakers, the Ruffians, who are currently residing

(54:25):
in County jail.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
County. They don't tell you just County, USA. That is ridiculous.
That was one of my gripes setting like not just
County Jail.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
My biggest gripe is that all the delinquents forget how
many there are. They all get these horrible black and
white frieze frame intros that say who they are and
what they got in trouble for, which means nothing. In
the large scheme of things in the movie, it doesn't
come up at all that the one girl got arrested
for shoplifting other than the fact that she stole something

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out of someone's purse while looking straight into the camera,
which they all did in their little freeze frame intros.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
That was horrible.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
That was a terrible decision. Yeah, but they those little
things that each person got in trouble for. Like Richie,
he got in trouble for fraud. And the one girl
in trouble for shoplifting. She never stole anything. Later in
the movie, well I guess she did. She stole somebody's
cell phone, I guess. But that's how she got caught
and that's how she got killed.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
So maybe that was that. But Tye, Tye was like,
I forget what he got in trouble for. But he
was a cop. He was a punk the rest of
the movie, for the most part, his tough guy persona
was not there the rest of the movie. He got
that one fight and that was it.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
So again, these little freeze frames things, by the way,
things were terrible.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I hated him. That fight was terrible.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Oh man, we're gonna do Before we get to that
terrible fight, let's just talk about the nerdy kid, Richie.
He played by Craig Horner. Again, he got hit with
fraud and then he's Richie rich.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Richie rich Right.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, these intros again, they feel like something that would
have been in the two thousands music video, and it
feels like something that would have been played on MTV.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yep, somehow this got released in theaters.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
But these group of delinquents, there's a bunch of them,
one named Kierr like I said, the other name another
name Tide, and Christine. Those are really the ones you
need to know. And Michael, he's the real jackass of
the group, right. But they're being taken to an abandoned
hotel to help volunteer to help fix it up and
make it a shelter for the unhoused, just casual, free

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labeled that they got suckered into in an effort to
get out of jail for a day. But there's something
in it for them. They also get apparently if they
do three days work, they get a month off their sentenced.
We don't know how long the sentences are. It could
be eight years row we know, but you get a
month off. So just the three days, just three days,

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that's it, get a month off. High he gets into
a fight with Michael, who is the jackass of the group.
They get into a fight on the bus where they
just punch each other in the face.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Four times, bam bam, bam bam.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Nobody gets any bruises, no cuts, nobody dips or dodges.
They just stand there and trade punches. Nobody blocks, and
then they just sit down. After that, they break it
over and they sit down. And then Michael it reveals
him to be a complete butthole who apparently also got
Kira I kind of sort of man girl arrested once

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upon a time.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
They have a history together.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
He also reveals how much of an a hole he
is when he when they see a stray dog come
over and they're like, oh my god, it's a straight dog.
And they start to like, you know, pet the dog,
and he just throws a can of soda at it
or something. It's like, come on, bro, that's not right.
Then he had cost Kira in a shower. He's just
a complete jerk, Just a complete jerk. The problem, though,

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is that I have with him is that he was
so poorly written. Like you can blame the actor Luke
Pegler a little bit because it wasn't like he gave
the greatest performance of all time. But I don't think
he had much to work with either other than it's
like he's just terrible and you can't wait to see
him get murdered, which does not happen.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
A spoiler, he does not get murdered. It's like, why
did y'all make him so terrible to try to redeem him?
And he had Okay, that's what I was looking forward to. Okay,
at least let me see how this guy dies, right,
that's the payoff for somebody being so terrible.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
In most horror movies I've watched, it's like, Okay, they're
making these characters so terrible, so when they die, you
don't feel that bad.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
But he doesn't die.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
He's kind of the hero of the whole deal. But
one thing I wanted to say about Tie is that
this shape up is trash. Bro It's real bad. I
don't know if you notice this, maybe you did not,
but the shape up is trash, which brings me to
a larger conversation and a larger point about how horrible
Hollywood it is when it comes to black people in

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their hairstyles and our hairstyles and movies and TV shows. Again,
you may not have noticed, but they typically don't have
black black people around to do black people's hair, or
anybody around.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
To do black people's hair.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
So some people bring in their own stylists at times.
But that's if you can afford one, and if you can't,
you might be stuck with the shape up like ty
got in this movie. And honestly, I've seen far worse.
There's some wigs out there, man. Go look at some
Tyler Perry movies or just any movie with black people,
and you'll find some rough ass wigs on black people.

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So this is another thing that I wanted to mention.
That's a that's an aside. They meet this lady named
Margaret played by Cecily Pulsen, who's clearly Jacob good Night's mom,
and she knows it's at least clear that she's up
to something. Okay, maybe not in the beginning that she's

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his mom, but like she's up to something she ain't
no good man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
This is how I know horror movies are not made
for me, because you did not you thought you see
the old lady did.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Why else would she know the layout of this hotel
and she's bringing she's bringing terrible people, She's bringing supposed
ruffians and skillywags here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
She's not bringing innocence.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
She's bringing these people here to help volunteer to clean
up this nasty ass hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Which, by the way, how am I going to clean
that whole thing in three days. What they supposed to
do there, well, exactly what they're supposed to do three days.
Yeah right, so no way for one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
But she kind of explains the layout of the Blackwell
Hotel and how they have passageways and two way mirrors
and she's never found two way mirrors, but they might
have some in there, and I feel like that's gonna
come up again, and it does. Uh, she's kind of
an exposition dumping somewhere. She kind of lays out the hotel.
She says, the pend houses on the eighth and ninth
floors are off limits, but they're staying on the second floor.

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But man, like you said, this plan this place is
dank af Bro. That might be nice and dang Like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I would be surprised if they were able to clean
that in three weeks. Bro. They waz Bro. They would
just tear it down. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I wouldn't even try to renovate this place. You had
to tear it down and build it up from the
ground up again, because it looked like a stink.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
It has to stink.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
This splies everywhere, Yeah right, the place look dusty, Okay,
probably got mold and lead.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Everywhere, ammonia somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
They got the he has mass suits. They just out
there and playing clothes. They got no mask on nothing.
They just in there breathing in whatever is in this dank,
abandoned hotel that's rotting, the insects everywhere in the walls.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Ain't no exterminator going to fix this, exterminate the whole building,
bro This place is too far gone. The shower is dirty, Like,
why would you shower in here? Was it not condemned?

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
That's a different WW movie. I think that's the next
one after this one. It's like, oh, condemned building, the condemned,
we got it. But yeah, this movie should have been
boarded up with police tape, caution tape, no one is
allowed here. And maybe that was the case until you

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know Margaret broke in with Jacob good night spoiler. But
everything looks terrible. Everything's dirty, Everything's horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
It's like, how are they supposed to clean this nasty
place up? What they're supposed to do?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
And they sleeping in here? Oh, take me back to jail.
It's cleaner in the county jail. They don't have which
is in the walls. I will sleep on the bus.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
No, absolutely, ain't no way I'm sleeping in here. One
couple was getting busy. It's having relations in there how like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
And that's the funny part. Were they even a couple,
Like they just met each other? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I guess they was just being delinquents, and part of
being delinquents is having sex. Also, the one thing, uh,
that was never really explained was how old were these people.
They were supposed to be adults, so they're having relations
like graduate adults, but they acted like high school teenagers.

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It's like they had like rebellious teenagers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Just didn't just didn't make any sense. The casting, the
writing of the characters, and the depiction of them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I didn't get it. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
The one thing I did appreciate, though, is that the
two black and brown people didn't die first, just uh
a trope in movies. But another trope is that a
black person is like the savior that help the final
girl and they risk their lives doing so that's another trope,
and that does happen with Tye. At least he does
kind of sacrifice himself. Uh, but you know the one

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the other black lady survives, so that's good. Yeah, But
things eventually break down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
But the cop who died in the beginning, right, he
was black? Right? Oh he was? I don't I looked
at the damn casting. Yeah, so I am moving wrong
or something. But William Williams lucked out apparently until he didn't. Uh,

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that's when the movie should have been over right, No,
because that was the whole point apparently, And okay, why
are we still going the witnesses?

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
So before before we get into the format, let's let's
let's kind of talk about let's wrap up the plot here, right,
So apparently we're with Williams this whole time. Okay, for
the most part, he's kind of the main central character.
And nowt of nowhere, he gets murdered, He gets hooked
through the ceiling from Jacob goodnight, he gets dragged up,
his eyes get torn out, boom done. All right, And
the rest of the movie is pretty much the rest

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of the casts who have all split up for some reason.
They don't even last a day in this damn thing.
You don't even get overnight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
They're supposed to be here for three days. They don't
make it through the night. Okay, but everybody splits up
and they all kind of get picked off one by one.
Richie gets snatched up by Jacob Goodnight, even though Ty
watches this whole thing play out before his eyes and
watches his mans get dragged off by his leg. Instead,
he just watches it instead of doing something, stead of
trying to grab him, he just watches this happen, but

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he gets dragged off eventually get he gets his eyes
torn out. Another girl who stole the phone, she's she
gets caught in like a closet, and the only reason
why she's caught because the phone goes off for some reason,
and Jacob good Night murders her. The lady, the other
lady from the jail who's with Williams. I forget who
she's kind of was, but she's like a like a
jail administrator of some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
So maybe she was like in charge of the women
and he was in charge of the man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
That makes sense, I guess. But she gets she's murdered
by like just being slammed up against the ceiling in
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
The elevator going to hate that, so she gets picked off.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
That everybody gets picked off one by one, and then
eventually it's revealed that the whole time Margaret the lady
who kind of is running.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
The blackwell so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Uh, she kind of reveals that she is the reason
why that all of them here obviously, and this whole
thing was just a plot to just kill Williams, just him, right,
and we kind of see how evil she is through flashbacks.
We kind of get a look into Jacob good Knight's
mind at certain points when he's doing a lot of
these flashbacks in his head and you hear his voice

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telling him to do things, and and it turns out
that the woman in these flashbacks is his bomb, which
is Margaret, so you kind of see, oh, she's kind
of controlling him. But after Williams of course shocked Jago
Goodnight back in the beginning, so this was her plot
for revenge. Revenge was gained early.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
They got it done right. They could have just alised
like a half hour in pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
And the thing was, you kind of spent a good
amount of time with Williams, and I get it from
like a subversion of expectation standpoint. It is like a
shocking ooh, like you thought that they were safe with
Williams and now he's dead kind of deal. But it's
also like, why did y'all set up that whole thing
in the beginning just to kill him right away, pretty much,
and didn't reveal it was only about him and everybody

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else's got got because you could have said, all right, y'all,
y'all can just leave. Williams abandoned y'all, so y'all can
just go. You'll know where Williams went.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
He left. They are free to go. No, go to
your bus, go back, go back to jail. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
But eventually Jacob Goodnight, who sees Kira again, our main girl.
He likes her, keeps her in the cage. He was
also kept in the cage a lot when he was
a kid, you know, being yelled at by his mom.
So he does that to other people. But that's I
guess how he expresses love. I guess it doesn't really.
They don't really explain what's going on here. They just

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show you in these weird flashbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
So I think like in the one of the flashbacks,
he was just looking at adult magazines, right, so, and
then he gets at one point when he's staring at
Kira in the cage, he's I guess touching himself or something.
Oh my god, Yeah, I didn't know, and she was like,
that's gross.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Yeah, because it was that's what that was implied.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I saw that. I was like, I hope he's not
doing it. I think like it wasn't like if you
were watching it, you wouldn't you would have to like
really pay attention because it's not. It's subtle, I guess
would be the word. It's not. It's not overtly like
in your face, where he could be like, Okay, that's
what he's doing. Like I had to rewind because of

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Kira's reaction. I was like, what is she reacting to? Like,
why is she having that reaction? Then I had to
rewind and watch it again. And that's what I'm proud
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
But if he was doing what he I think he
was doing, that's easily candidate for worst scene for sure,
because we did not ask for that. I can tell
you that right now, and we will get to that
in a second. But basically, the mother controls him. He
tells her to destroy all the evil.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
And there's something to do with religion because Kira has
some like religious tattoos that we get to see in
various scenes of her with no clothes on. Because it's
a hard movie, and you gotta have obligatory nudity for
some reason. But he has like a visceral reaction to
them that I don't understand. And she has like a
necklace that he like looks sad, and they don't really

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connect these dots in any way. It's just imagery. And
but for some reason, even though his mom is instructing
him to kill the evil, why why isn't she dead yet?
Is something she said at some point, he keeps her
alive and despite that, eventually he turns on his mom.
He says, I don't want to hurt her, and well,

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he doesn't say that. He literally the first time Kane
speaks in the whole movie is like with fifteen minutes left,
and he goes, I see now, and then he just
takes his mom and throws her across the room and
she lands on like a sharp object that's sticking out
of the wall, and it goes straight through her like

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mouth pretty much, and she's dead. And that doesn't stop
Jacob good Night from killing the others, though he he
like wise it up and he's like, oh, man, I
see that I was being controlled.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I'm a victim of childhood trauma.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
This whole time, and it's like, oh, you know what,
I'm gonna kill what killed made me kill my creator
so to speak and act so just speacause it's mom,
so literally his creator.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
And he's still mad, like wait, he just turned face,
like what are we doing? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
But eventually Kier and Christine Caerly and Christina have like
a friendship throughout the movie too, to kind of bond over.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Being criminals. I don't know what else they bond over.
Was Christine the one who saved her from Michael in
the shower? Yeah, she saved her multiple times. Christine was
was that like the first thing of them together to
maybe that was like the beginning of the bond. I
think they had a bus or something before that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Maybe they might have talked to the bus, but I
know they sat like in a room together and it
was hanging out for a little bit before the shower scene.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
So yeah, CHRISTINEO, she was a rout to die. She
was looking out for cure. That was her bestie for sure,
and it was they left tie to die. I guessed,
I gotta let you cute it. Even though he's in
Sceno evil too. We will see if his Tie or
the ghost of Tie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
We'll see Kai Kay and Tie, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
They try to escape after Jacob Goodnight kills his mom.
Michael is supposed to be I guess redeemed because he
saves them. He has like a pipe or something like
that he's hitting Jacob Goodnight with. He eventually hits him
in the back of the head, which that's where the
hole is now bugs are in it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
It's like is he alive? Like is he walking around
with bugs in his head? I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
But then they just straight up jump Jacob good Night.
They just jump them with various weapons and then shove
him out the window, but of course he's still hanging
on and whatnot. And it's not until Christine, the ride
or die of the group shoves the pipe through his eye.
He sends him flying down and complete eat CGI Glory

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and the then he hits us couple things in the
way down. He's yelling and then they show an X
rayfs like his organ is being punctured as he falls
through like an atrium, and it was like, whoa, this
is a lot. This was big exciting ending I guess
to the villain in the movie and Kira, Christine and
Michael are your survivors, so s WW would call them

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the soul survivors.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
But that was like big babyface server you know, Jacob
good night, and then it ends like that it shit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Yeah, and then Babyface turned from Michael, who was complete jerk,
like I said through the can at this dog. He
was just knocking over like he had like a pipe,
like he said in the pipe and he's just knocking
out lights in the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Hallway for no reason. Who knew therapy. It's like you do,
how old are you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
By the way, and then he like cost Kira in
the shower and like gripping her up, and it's like
what man, he sucks. But he's just also poorly written.
But again though, that's how the movie went.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Uh, and it was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
But let's get into the format here. We gotta we
gotta format. Specifically for movies, we got our favorite scene,
our least favorite scene, our favorite performance, our least favorite performance.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
But for our horror movie, we're gonna add best kill
and worst kill of the movie, because why not. You
gotta talk about the kills a little bits. It's a
horror movie. But Nick, what was your favorite scene of
from See No Evil?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
If you have one, I do. I do it. When
ty and Christine are looking for Kira and they eventually
land at the room where Jacob good nights keeping all
the eyeballs in there? What is that the bottle for
lack of a better word, and uh, what's on the walls? Money?

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And Tye does not even care that he's looking at
human eyeballs in jars, He's looking at the money and
he starts collecting something too specific in his pocket, and
I was like, oh, this is this in the middle.
So there's been no funniness after like the first ten minutes, right,

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the delinquents are laughing at some of the dumbest jokes
I've ever heard written, and it's brutal. But then like
the horror just starts and then there's like no one liners,
not none of that stuff, none of the funny stuff
until this scene when I just doesn't even care about
anything else except the money on the walls, and I died.

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I was laughing so hard at uh just hit the
switch up from him like, you know, worried about Kira
and looking for Kira versus look at all the money
on the walls and I'm going to take something my
favorite scene by far in this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
I thought from one that scene was hilarious, And you're right,
there wasn't a lot of humor in this movie, which
can be a thing in horror movies, especially slashes, but
just the rioting was so poor and it did take
itself kind of serious. But like also, like you said,
they kind of did try to inject some humor, but
it didn't really work.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
It never landed. Yeah, just rough, just real rough in
that sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
My favorite scene I would go with Williams's death scene
because it did come out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
It's kind of a shock.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
It's kind of like a subversion of expectations, even though
it was also kind of annoying that we were with
him for so long. I would also say, honestly, Jacob's
good Night's death was pretty epic. You know, him falling
out the window and the CGI. You know, I'm not
a huge man of CGI, but it was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Still the coolest scene of the movie, probably the biggest
scene of the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Him falling all those stories and whatnot and playing on
things and screaming. It was pretty It's well done. It
was well done. Could have been worse. What was the
worst scene of the movie. I'm sure we got a
lot of candidates here, so I got multiple scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
One and it's funny because it's your best scene of
Sir William's murder. I just I obviously didn't expect the coming,
but I understand like the oh I didn't expect this,
this is this is why I think it's good. But
also Christine's reaction to seeing Williams being murdered when she

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was like relying on him for so much, she just
did not react like I thought like somebody would react.
And I think Christine was one of the better actors
in the movie, but not in this scene, Like she
was just like not even really couldn't even fake be
an upset, you know, like not very upset. And then

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eventually just would she go for his keys or something
or his gun. So it was just like a quick
thing where you know, you're relying on this guy to
protect you, and then I get does the adrenaline kick in? Maybe,
But I also didn't understand the point of his murder
so quickly as well. So and we had mentioned it before.

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I said, if Margaret was looking for revenge, shouldn't it
have just stopped after he was killed, you know? And
then just Christine's reaction to that killed just being very
not believable for me, And so I'm sure that I mean,
probably worse scenes, but for me, that's my worst that's
stuck out. Yeah, I mean, I see your point. I

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think it's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Maybe it could be polarizing because again, it killed him
so soon after we spend so much time with him.
And but I thought the way it was constructed and
kind of the surprise element of it, maybe you like
it a little bit more. Again, not a bunch there though,
as far as good scenes for me, so but worse
scenes I got. I got some candidates, so right, the

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scene where tied doesn't help chie at all as she's
getting dragged away, just like why did y'all make this
man look like a complete sucker? And then he just
tossed Richie up against the like a doorway as he's
dragging him out, like just broke his back in the process, Like,
bro come on, Tye.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Do something.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
It feels like no one he heard anything in the house,
like when the hotel, I should say everything, all this
stuff is happening, people are screaming, and he can't hear anything.
The only time to hurt anything is when Kira tried
to escape through the kitchen and she fell and then
they ran in just in time as she's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
About to get dragged.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Well, she did get dragged away by Jacob Goodnight through
the dumb waiter in the kitchen, so he, you know,
hooks her and drags her and they're like, oh no,
you know, and he takes her away. So but again,
that was pretty bad. And the scene where he I'm

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not trying to laugh because it's such a ridiculous scene
that the scene where he he kind of forced her
to take her clothes off and like taking the shower
and all that, and the flashbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
I had no idea what was happening there. That was
bizarre for me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
I did not enjoy that, and I just understand, like
maybe after the movie now is in hindsight, Oh, I
guess he's mirroring the trauma from his childhood. But watching
it in real time, it was just felt bizarre and
the dots weren't connecting at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
So favorite performance from See No Evil? Who was your
favorite performance?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I mean, I might feel bad about this, but I'll
go with Kate Man. You know, it's crazy. I agree
with you. That's sad. Bro it is sad.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I thought as the movie went on, Christine became a
little bit better. Curious, I just she was okay. But
I think, like when we're talking about performance, like okay,
like he's he's doing what this movie is he's supposed
to do in this type of movie, you know, and
just the flashbacks and understanding where the trump was coming

(01:21:10):
from and then him realizing it and then turning on
his mom. I was like, Okay, that's a good character arc,
I guess, And so yeah, I mean, like I guess
it was him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Yeah, I mean, we gotta give a shout out to Christine.
Christina Vidal, I think she, like you said, as the
movie picked up, she picked up, uh, and I think
she became a character that I think the one good
character that I kind of like was Christine because she
took charge, like ties it there, like shoot him, please
shoot them, and she's like, all right, I'll bust a
cap from him, and she did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
He kind of took charge of the movie. So I
want to give her her flowers. But yeah, Caine, Glenn Jacobs,
whatever you want to call him, he did a good
job as Jacob. Good Night.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
I mean, he didn't speak until it was fifteen minutes
not in the movie. He didn't make some sounds and
breathed heavy and made mean faces, but he showed up
when he had to. He would give a smirk when
he's supposed to, you give those looks with his eyes
and stuff like that. Like he did all the physical work,
like all the walking around and some of the stunts.
You can tell like he you know, it was him

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doing a lot of that stuff. But like everybody else,
is limited by a horrible script. Honestly, it's tough to
blame the actors and a lot of this because the
script is so bad. I think he's just killing characters
as you just don't care about and sometimes and it
makes the movie feel hollow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
He was also polite enough to shut the doors as
he left the room. Every single room he left, he
was shut the door. Like I noticed that. I was
like why, Like maybe it's something that mom taught him.
I don't know. Yeah, some manners, I guess, don't leave
the door open.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Who was your worst performance from.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Not tie, but the tie between two people. Do you
remember anything that Rust did? Nope, other than almost have sex.
That's it. Yeah, I got nothing from him that in itself,
Like I I remembered he was a character when he died. Basically,
he didn't even have a memorable kill. No, Honestly, one

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of the something I almost put is my best scene
until I saw Ty walk into the room and get fixated.
All the money was didn't involve Russ but for a
different reason. And I'll that's probably I'm gonna put in
my random thoughts. But uh yeah, Rust didn't do anything,
so I think that's kind of self worthy of worse performance.

(01:23:38):
But I also thought Officer Williams just sucks as like
for what he was supposed to the type of character
he was supposed to be, this is so dry, Like
I didn't care about him, Like when he died, it
was like it was like he was a good guy
or a bad guy. It was just like there, it's
like all we knew was what happened four years prior
and then that was it. Like he didn't give any

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like and he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
He's supposed to be the heart of the movie kind
of and he was never that right, And they also
didn't really give him much to work with. Again, they didn't,
you know, really give him the death. That's probably necessary
if you're going to kind of center around him in
the beginning, you get invested in him, like you care
for him, and then the death hits worse because you
cared for him as a central character.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Now he's dead.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Just so just like oh wow, like that would have
been a bigger hurt piece if they really added some
more death to Williams and how that night with Jacob
goodnight it really impacted him outside of just some quick
cut flashbacks that just says he remembers, he ain't forget y'all.
All right, let's move on to the next thing, and
it's just like, okay, that's it, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
I feel like we definitely need a more from him
if he was going to be such a main character
to Margaret, which was the reason for all this, and
then obviously Russell just not memorable, you know. Yeah, no,
I agree with that. I'll go with Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
I guess I didn't love I just didn't love it.
I just didn't love the character. I didn't love the performance.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
So I was going I'll struggle with this one because
again a lot of a lot of candidates, but I
would I would go with Michael. I think uh as
the my least favorite performance from the movie. But let's
shift to best kill. Did you have a what was
your favorite kill.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
From It was funny because I toyed with this as well. Uh,
my honorable mention is Jacob good Night's death just because
I thought it was well done all things considered. But
it was so ridiculous and preposterous that my favorite one
was Zoe. Uh, Jacob making her eat her phone was

(01:25:53):
that was insane? Hilarious. That was insane a phone on silent,
I don't know if you're hide it, like she's literally hiding,
like what are we doing? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
And then he catches her and then takes her phone
and just literally shoves it down her throat, which doesn't
look like she's dead initially, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
How she survived at exactly. It feels like it's only
a matter of time, pixiated. But it's funny, like the
phone was big enough. Honestly, it's like back in two
thousand and six, staight, I mean iPhone, iPhone won't fit.
I don't think, I mean, I don't. Yeah, but that

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little Nokia that went down and I think I had
that at one point too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I'm sure we did. But yeah, that that Nokia phone
kill was pretty gnarly. It's probably the most unique kill
in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
I would say Jacob's death was probably my best killed
just from the you know, how long it took and
how fared it was, and he's falling and he's hitting
multiple things in the way down any any fall through
the glass, there's so many different things that's actually got
the pipe cheve through his eye, Like it was a
lot going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
So I was just waiting for him to like sit
up after all that. That would have been wild and
see no evil too. He probably did. Maybe it was
a post credit scene that I miss. Well, we watched
TV right, like, yeah, automate, I don't know the setting,
Like if we could stop the auto play, but you
can't get through the credits because something else is gonna
play right after that with the ten seconds, so I

(01:27:30):
couldn't watch all the credits all the way through. So
I don't know if that's a two B thing or
you know, I hate that. I hate the auto play,
like I always disabled it when I'm able to, But yeah,
I couldn't find it a way to do that on
t B.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Well, it's just glad we watched a movie on it
and it worked, you know. I will also say that
the funny thing about Zoe's death, not only is you know,
the phone thing kind of unique, but Michael just sat
there and watch that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, like horrify. I ain't I ain't helping me. That's
literally part of his character. Right, You're like you hate
him even more because he's right, he's supposedly starting to
have a thing for Zoe and then she obviously turned
him down. Yeah, like aha or a joke. So I
understand that part, but like it's not like you feel

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better about it, you know. I was just like, man,
he's he's just stumbling down on being a dick, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
And then I was supposed to I guess cheerful. I
don't know, I guess, so I guess worst kill. I
would go this for me, this would be Russell getting
killed off screen. We have no idea what happened to him.
It's just we just heard a thud and he was dead.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
By the way, this almost became my favorite scene because
Melissa's like dropping down to escape and all of a
sudden she stops and then she starts going up and
I laughed, like I laughed hard. I'm just like, she's like,
what are you doing? And then she starts going up
and just her screaming and everything. I like, it was

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just so bad that it was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
So here's the thing. So this is my Also, Melissa's
death is my worst killed because and then or because
Russ being killed off screen is probably the worst one
because it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
At least we got to see this one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
But it has to be at least an honorable mention, because,
for one, if Russ is murdered somehow, how was she
not dropped immediately when he is somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Came was holding that with one hand and murdering Russell
with the other man? Is he talented?

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
She should have dropped immediately, right, but he It was
such a seamless transition that she didn't drop an inch
And you just look up and there's Jacob good Night
pulling it back up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
And just like like going down and then going stopping
and then going back up and herpe I'm like, oh
my god, what the hell's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Like so much happening, and then she's like, let me down,
and he smiled.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Like while she's upside down, by the way, nice, like
not even not even like front side up, whatever you
want to call it. She's upside down and saying me down.
And it's like because he, I guess he understands we
should rewind a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Russell and Melissa trying to escape, yes, because they're being
chased down by Jacob good Night.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
They they couldn't finish the deed because all of a
sudden they saw that double side of mirror.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Right, double side of the mirror, Jacob good Night bust
burst through the double side of the mirror. Because again
I told you that's WHENNA come up later on in
the in the movie. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
And then they chase you know, the chase scene.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
And then they get caught in this room and they
tie some sheets together and trying to repel their way out.
Russell gets murdered, and then Jacob takes over and she's like,
let me down, and he's like all right, and proceeds
to drop her and she drops, falls through the atrium,
gets all cut up, right, but she doesn't hit the

(01:30:54):
ground as silly. It's like bungeee, so she's like a
like a it's like tied up, so she.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Still did her head hit the ground and it's like
her wrists her hands or something hit the ground and
that calls her to She's all cut up, so she's
bleeding right upside down like she's Darby Island or something.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Right, She's hanging upside down. And then that stray dog
from earlier comes back and she's like, oh, oh the dog.
He licks her blood and goes and calls his friends,
calls his canine homies over and they proceed to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Eat her alive. Like where did they come from? They're
just killing him and his dog gang all hungry too,
and it just ate her alive. Why where did this
come from? Did Margaret though? These dogs were there? They
are they there? They were just there. I did not

(01:31:55):
understand that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
That's why I kind of the worst kill just felt cruel.
It's like, wait this second, this dog.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
They were being nice this dog earlier, and now it's
eating them alive. That's one of these dog got the
taste of human flesh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Melissa was the one feeding the dog right before Michael
threw so I think like that was that makes sense together,
and it's like, but where were these other dogs when
she was feeding me? But also why did they want
to kill her? Why did they want to eat her?
That's it, just it was just wild. They ate her alive.
Bro dogs, dog hobies over He's and it came.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
It came running bro all like eight nine of them,
and they all came with an appetite.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
They did they became hungry. I've never seen that before
in the movie ever, when the dogs communicate and gang
up on a human and eat them alive.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Never in my life if I experienced anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
And that's why that was my worst kill.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
I just didn't understand. I thought she's gonna die from
the fall, right, so that would have been bad enough.
She already got cut up, and then there's like overkills, like,
all right, not only is she not dead bleeding out, then.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
What the dog doing and then it eats it? They
eat her not.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Man's best friend in this instance. No, that's insane, Bro,
that's insane. So yeah, that's that's that's what I had
for the worst kill. I didn't have too many random notes.
I guess I kind of said a lot of random
notes already with you know, certain scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
But yeah, the movie movie's bad, man, He's bad. So
I texted you after I was out. I was like
it was better that I expected it to be. Oh man,
that's wild. I don't know what you would expecting you
you respotted. I don't love it so far because you
were I think you were in the middle of watching it.
But yeah, you know again, I'm not a horror movie guy,

(01:33:54):
not even really a movie guy in twenty twenty five,
I don't watch that many movies anymore. Doesn't mean I
hate them, but you know, i'd rather watch the old
school horror movies I grew up with that, you know,
like I know, and this one, I guess. I guess
because it was an easy I shouldn't say easy watch,
but easy enough to like pick pick apart, and like,

(01:34:17):
I just didn't care that much. But I don't know
if that made it easier or harder to really follow.
I just I didn't, you know, the inmates with the
dumb jokes at the beginning, I was kind of like, Okay,
I don't care if any of them die that type
of thing. I was almost like, I was basically team
Jacob for most of the movie. That create so many

(01:34:38):
of these guys were unlikable, and I even, yeah, I
wrote what character was the most heartbreaking death? None of
them really like I was saying, Melissa was pretty tough.
I mean, like, yeah, I guess, yeah, I just Caine here.

(01:34:59):
So Kane, one of my random notes is him hearing
everything except Christine's footsteps behind him when she's obviously looking
for Kira, and she goes towards Kira as Kin comes
in the room. I guess Ty was throwing all the
jars on the floor with the human eyes so to
cause a distraction. So as Kane enters that room, you

(01:35:22):
see Christine go into the room where here is, and
you literally see it in the same shot, like Cain
and Christine are not that far apart, and yet Kane
couldn't hear that. So those are like the things I
noticed when it's like, Okay, here's something that's supposedly a
floor or two away, but yet he can't hear somebody walking,

(01:35:44):
you know, ten yards from him. That's the logic that
loses me. Even in horror movies, man, even in horror movies.
I want to see some logic, and so yeah, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Don't think that's too much to ask. I think, well,
here's the thing. I think in horror movies, it is
a trope that people are just dumb. A lot of
times they make bad decisions, they go to the obvious danger.
I mean they literally make jokes about it in the movies.
It wasn't a scary movie. It's like the first scene
is like safety and the Killer, and she goes to
the killer, to the killer ear and it's like that

(01:36:19):
was in the mid nineties, late nineties, and it's making
that joke. So that's kind of a thing in horror movies.
But I think as as grown older, I do appreciate
when the characters make logical decisions. Yes, it does keep
you immersed in the story, and when they make obviously
dumb decisions, it does take me out sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
And if I thought hard.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Enough about it, I probably can come up with a
few examples where the characters make stupid decisions and it
took me out of it. I can't think of it
right now, but I see your point on that that
you at least wanted to the characters. That's part of
the likability is that they make smart decisions, and I
think some movies forget that that. You know, that's what

(01:37:05):
makes everybody like the Final Girl because she she wins
in the end, but she makes smart decisions on her
way to winning. He's not just walking into the rake
and letting it hit in the face every time, you know,
So I do see your point on that. Any other
random notes before we wrap it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Up, When Michael hit Cane with the pipe or whatever,
that was like the first time anyone got like offense
on him, right, because I feel like it. I was
like one hour and fourteen minutes into the movie. Put
a time stamp on that. It was a squash match
before that. So yeah, I got said Cane finally sells
an hour fourteen. He did.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
All he did was really grunt, look and I think
he would sell something like it would his sound he
go ah, like when he got tasing ah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Oh. I liked when Kiara spit after Caine fell to
his death or I'm starting Jacob good night, Kia just
like spit in his vicinity. I don't know if it
went out. I don't even know if it went out
the window or even landed on him, but just the

(01:38:13):
fact that she it's like damn, she's like that was hilarious. Like,
I mean, they're trapping the cage but for for a
couple of hours. Yeah. I also the ending with Jacob
being killed through the eye. You know, it's like full circle, right,
like the Tataca at Summer ninety four where you know,

(01:38:36):
everyone thought Luger was gonna sell out, but it was
actually Tataka who did. Oh my god, it was one
of those.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Things I couldn't believe he brought Lex Luger at to
Taka Darren see no evil.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Storyline, I thought of. I'm sure there are better storylines
to make this point, but that's literally the first one
I thought of.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
I just love how you somehow bring it back to
the new generation. We're talking about a horror from two
thousand and six, and somehow Lex Luga gets brought up
in ninety four and Tatanka.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Somehow, And the fact that I never saw that coming,
Like as a kid when I when I was a
pretty smart fan, I could see things coming. If you
know what, you're watching w W every single week and
you're like, oh, like they're playing the seeds for that.
Not once did I ever expect it's not going to
be the one to sell out. Like whoa. That went

(01:39:30):
way over my head, you know, back then, I was like,
how did I miss that? Man? So I also thought
it was very funny when Caine was like destroying the elevator.
I guess was it when Tyson was with Christine or yeah,
and she got It's so funny. It's so funny, like

(01:39:51):
he's not even like really reacting, right, He's like com
cool and collected in the elevator and trying to like
figure out, all right, how am I gonna get away
from this killer? And I'm like, he's not freaking out
or anything. I thought that was really funny. He freaks
out the other times though. That's why I thought that.
I was like, Okay, he's literally the killer is like

(01:40:12):
two feet away from him, coming through the elevator door,
about to kill that, and he's like, we got to
go up. Yeah, He's like, we gotta go right now,
I know where to go. It's calm, cool and collected.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Man, panic, grab something, stab him something, anything, we're going
to It's that tie for the movie is calm and collected.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
So I don't remember how I got on this last night,
but I was watching it, like, I guess Tye's death
reminded me of one of the ones and Carry now
you like carry right? The movie original? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
Yeah, definitely the originally, not the the Remakeer one and
ninety sequel.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Yeah, So I rewatched the ending of that. I remember
being freaked out when I first saw it, like as
a kid, I must have been like a teenager. I
saw on one of the movie channels and it was
the first time I watched it. So the end scene
was like just crazy. It still freaks me out when
I watch it a little bit. But ic the hand

(01:41:23):
reaches out of the grave. Uh well that whoa that
as well. But during the when they're in the game,
the prom yeah, the teacher gets I think it was
the teacher. I'm not full up on the characters right
now because it's been forever. She dies in a similar
way that I think tied it he like, I like

(01:41:44):
trapped right, like ah yeah, yeah yeah. And one of
the teachers I think gets like uh killed from something
falling and it kind of like traps her a little
bit and then eventually she falls. But it was funny
the way his death happened in the way her death
happened visually looks similar to me. So I went back
and I watched that scene again and I was like, wow,

(01:42:05):
Like they based on like some of the reviews I've
seen for Sceno Evil. Yes, they take tropes from different
horror movies. But like I think it, even in the nineties,
you'd be kind of like hard pressed to find a
horror movie that didn't seemingly take at least one trope
from the other. Right, I feel like a lot of
them have similar things of scenes or whatever whatever you

(01:42:31):
want to call it. A lot of the ones I've
seen just feel similar sometimes, And I don't think that's
a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Yeah, there's definitely that can be a formula, especially when
it comes with slashes. You have your harbinger of danger.
Who's there's got a death curse, Like there wasn't Friday
the Thirteenth with the old guy. Uh, you're gonna die
up there, don't go up there. It's haunted. There's always
that guy. You got, the teenagers, you got the rough guy,
you got the nerdy girl, the nerdy guy, the jock guy,

(01:42:58):
the I said, I said, the rough, gouty, a rough
around the edges, the rebel, we get, the cheerleader girl
or something like that. That's that's been definitely been a
thing in horror movies. Uh, throughout time. It would just
shared some similar themes and character tropes and stuff like that.
For better and for worse at times. It could be
fun at times and other times could be racist and
sexist and all the other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
But but yeah, I would I would admit to that
for sure. Yeah. I just thought Films and w W
Studios was was really funny back of the day, try
to like create the road movie stars they tried.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Just like just a reminder of that how hard it
is and how many bad movies they made. Remember the
was it the one with the triple.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
H the Chaperone? Oh god, Yeah, I never saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
I've never seen it, but it looked like hot garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
I've never seen the Marine or any of the Marines
for what exam Like you mentioned earlier, I haven't seen that.
I didn't see many of the rock ones earlier. But
I saw a Scorpion King, Yeah I did not. So
just like so many of their movies, it's like I
don't care. It's like I don't care that. I just

(01:44:09):
care about wrestling, like Monday Night Rolls, Friday Night SmackDown
and because it was on the Fridays back then. Yeah,
just only cared about the wrestling aspects. So obviously, like
I'm following it online too, so I'm seeing what other
people are saying about these movies, and if they really
liked it, then I might be like, Okay, maybe I'll

(01:44:30):
go watch it, or I'll wait until it's all one
of the movie channels or order it. No, I would
never order it on pay per view. I would only
order actually wrestling events on pay per view. I would
to order a movie on pay per view, So I
would just wait till it was on HBO or something
and watch it then. But I don't remember any of
them making it far honestly, to those movie channels, those

(01:44:53):
premium movie channels. I just don't remember any of them
ever being on there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
So they probably had a little run there for a
little bit, but maybe, like you said, they didn't, probably
didn't have a long run. Probably wasn't It wasn't an
extended run. And I don't recall any of these movies
doing particularly well in the theaters either. It's not like they, uh,
you know, we're setting box office records by any stretch.
But they're also based on see them Evil were cheaply made.

(01:45:19):
I mean again, it was eight million dollars budget, but
eighteen million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
It was just like a portfolio builder for events or
something like did he really just just an expansion thing.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Yeah, just getting getting involved in other stuff they got
they lost the rock. It's like, hey, if we created
the own movies, they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Have to leave. Now that's the funniest thing to be like,
let's do it in the house exactly why they did
it too, which is like, it's just hilarious to me.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
I think that's definitely part of it. Obviously, when you expanded,
you expanded different things. And if you're in you know, wrestling,
I guess a movie is a it's a logical thing
to expand to uh, probably more logical than a football league.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Honestly, I was just thinking about that because I'm like, well,
at least you can control the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Right, it's just as scripted as wrestling, so if not
more scripted than wrestling, So that that correlates to me.
That makes sense again a lot more than a football
league when you can't control anything. Like you can promote
this big star quarterback and then he gets popped in
the pocket and that's the end of that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
You gone.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
You got to promote the backup. Good luck he was
a good luck promoting the backup of the Las Vegas Outlaws,
the Birmingham Blast or something. Oh the no, the Bolts,
Birmingham Bolts.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Not that, not the Blast. That's defensive.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
But yes, expansion into movies did make some sense, and
they did it, you know, decade literally like a decade earlier,
over a decade earlier, with no holds barred. So they
had been dipped their toe into the movie industry. But
this was you know, their first real big production ad

(01:47:00):
as its own solo studio, and I guess not with
anybody else. I guess with Lionsgate, but you know, WWE Films,
that was this was the big one. So May nineteen,
two thousand and six, a memorable day.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
And in sports entertainment infamy. Yeah, because the day that
it's not even sports entertainment, it's just entertainment, right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Yeah, but yeah, but it was such a heavy wrestling
storyline too, at least it was heavily promoted on wrestling.
It took up a whole bunch of my TV time
up watching the show back in two thousand and six.
I don't give a damn Barcino Evil because I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
Not going to see it in the theaters. I have
no intention on seeing that. I don't care. I was
mad when they dropped like the cane versus fake cane
angle that was like part of this.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
Oh boy, I was mad, go back caine stuff from
like four to like seven kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Garbage, like that was the best thing he did. And
then they dropped it. It was like the fake came
with the mask and everything. I was like, oh, this
this is interesting. He had the lead of stuff in
like four that was horrible and then let's not even
go back to two with the whole KD big stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Oh lord, okay, and then remember like seven he started
feuding against great colleague and he's like using the hook
and wrestling. That's the Jacob good Night hook.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
What terrible stuff. Terrible stuff, But he was getting paid,
I guess, so whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Uh shall we wrap it up for episode four? Four? Four? Man?
Do we have to see? Man? We've seen it. I
saw no good movie here. I did this for you.
I appreciate it. We got more to do, We got
more movies up. Santa Sleigh is still on the horizon,

(01:48:55):
all right? Is it Santa Slay? Do I say it?
Say it wrong? No? Okay? I usually say Santa Clausta Claus,
and it's Santa Sleigh I got a few times now,
so all right, because Santa Claus for ages for ages.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
All right, So since we have nothing else on to
no evil, please take us out with some plugs please.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
You can follow be at Underscore pacone on Twitter and
I'm back on TikTok at Underscore pecone one the number
one so at Underscore pecone one on TikTok. I'm also
on Blue Sky at pocone and on threads at pocone Nick.
You could catch my wrestling here and there there, but

(01:49:47):
mostly my Phillies sports content on those platforms. Could also
check you out crossing broad dot com for my rest
or not wrestling content. For my sports content as well,
you could catch us at True Radio on all those platforms. Also,
we're on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Threads, Blue Sky, at shooters Radio,

(01:50:10):
and shooterspod dot com. For all our platforms, you can
check out shooters pod dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
You can also catch us on Patreon, Patreon dot com
slash Shooters Radio, where you can request a future deep
dive just like this one. We want to do more
real graps in the future. We've done a couple already.
We want to do some more film wrestling related films
in some way. We got one coming next week too,
another horror movie starring another wrestler. Shall we reveal it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
I mean we can.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
We're gonna do wait, go ahead, no, why not. We're
gonna do They Live John Carpenter Classic starring Rowdy Roddy Piper.
So that's the next edition of Real Graps. We're gonna
do that before Halloween, my favorite holiday of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
So let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
But again, if you want to request one Patreon dot
com slash Shooters Radio. You can also find me on
x at voneum Johnson, I'm on Blue Sky, I'm on Instagram.
Check us out on all those platforms, and again Patreon
dot com slash Shooters Radio. But until next time for
Nick Pocone, I am Vorn Johnson. Thanks for listening to
episode fo fo fo of the Straight Shooters and we'll

(01:51:18):
catch you all again next week.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Hey Clavage, wake up this show on Oh yeah, Jigy

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