REWIND: WCW Halloween Havoc '98 Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And now it's time for a Halloween Havoc flashback. We're
talking about more Halloween Havric from nineteen ninety eight. Nick,

(00:27):
where were you in nineteen ninety eight? Did you watch
Halloween Havoc when it happened?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I absolutely did. I was one of the ones that
were sold on the Hogan Warrior rematch. You know, I
was about you know, I had just turned thirteen, so
obviously a year after the Halloween Havoc ninety seven where
we talked about a deep dive format last week, you know,

(00:53):
a year later, you know, WWFS on the rise. They're
pretty much at the top with wcw if not a
few steps forward. We had just seen break Down in
your House in September, and then this was Judgment Day
at wf's Judgment Day in October where they did not
crown a new champion between Undertaker and Kanes. So I

(01:16):
was kind of like a little pissed off that there
wasn't a WF champion for that long. Yeah, I didn't realize,
you know, even as a fan, even as a thirteen
year old, I knew what was going on in wrestling,
But at the same time, the road to WrestleMania was
something that didn't really exist to me. For me, the
roads to WrestleMania started, you know, a month in advance

(01:38):
or at the Royal Rubble or something like that. But
them taking the title off Stone Cold Steve Austin in
September was you know, basically the beginning of the road
to WrestleMania. So you know, back then, I wasn't really
with that. So I was kind of pissed, and I
was like, man, I hope Halloween to have a kicks
ass because you know, maybe it'll make WL put the

(01:59):
title back on the Survivor series or something like that.
So that was my thought process going into this, knowing
that at this point WCW was really gotten corny and
I wasn't enjoying watching it every week. I just kind
of watched the main stuff. The nWo fizzled out, the
Wolfpack versus Black and White Hollywood like fizzled out. There

(02:23):
just wasn't much that I gravitated to towards like this
era of WCW. So when The Warrior came back, I
was kind of into it. It wasn't what I expected.
I thought it was kind of corny, but at the
same time as like hollyw we have a Homeland versus Warrior.
That's when the good stuff will happen. So the joke
was on me, but right, and I was kind of like,

(02:47):
I was like, why is Goldberg going against DDP. That's
a dumb match. Why would I want to see that?
You know, I want to I was in the mindset
of I wanted to see like grudge matches throughout the card,
you know, up seeing a match where somebody doesn't hate
the other person didn't make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I want to see Goldberg versus the Warrior.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, area or something like that, you know, like so yeah,
Like going into it, I was kind of like iffy,
but like I was excited. I was like, this is
the event that's obviously will get back on track and
then you know, I'll be more into it. But uh,
as well, we'll dive into That wasn't exactly the case

(03:25):
for me personally.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
And I was gonna say, before we get into this show. Uh,
the the contrast between nineteen ninety seven and nineteen eighty
eight couldn't be more night and day because ninety seven
there was some juice and there was an energy in
the crowd and it just felt like there was like
a budget on w'sw at that point, and rightfully so.
Yet the stinking storyline at the nWo storyline, which was

(03:48):
still really good at that point, they had to splinter
it off into the Red and Black just yet. Yeah, Vincent,
I don't, I don't know Vincent was there yet, or
TV Ray all those other guys. You know, uh, you
hadn't had just terrible, terrible stories just yet that didn't
make any sense. And then fast forward in ninety eight,

(04:09):
where you did have the just the muddy waters of
the nWo. You had terrible storylines, stuff that just didn't
make sense. And it yet Hogan and Warrior, which is
just another level of just what the hell was happening
here in WSW, Like the it's like the reverse of
ninety seven. The undercard was actually wasn't The undercard was

(04:30):
pretty good in ninety seven, the main event was trash.
Ninety eight everything was trash but the pretty much but
the main event. Yeah, and it's so wild.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I was also you know, like I understand the thought
process the world title goes on last, but for this,
I was kind of like, why isn't Hogan Warrior main eventing?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
This?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like why not put the title before that. You know,
that was kind of where I was at.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Whoa, there's I mean, it's a good thing. The bad
thing it didn't go on last. I should have went
on last. Because this show is also infamous for the
pay per view systems.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well true. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because
I did make note of it. But I was one
of those that I got cut off in the middle
of the Hogan Warrior match, and I'm sitting here and
taping that and I don't think it even hit eleven
o'clock yet it went off a couple of minutes early.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
So you lost it during Hogan Warrior, went off during
DDP Gober.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, I lost it at the end of Hogan Warrior.
Was like right after the Warrior came off the middle
rope with like an axe handle to Hogan. I think
he did that twice, and I was like, either the
first or second time, because I have the tape and
I don't think I've taped over it with the replay
they showed on Nitro the following night, but I don't

(05:49):
remember for sure. What I do remember is my mom
calling the cable company and being like, what the hell
is going on because I think she thought, you know,
I mean, she was pissed to begin with because she
had just spent that body and you know, of course
pay per view wasn't over. But for me, I kind
of felt guilty. It's like, oh, man, like I just
cost my mom money. Like I was that kid where

(06:10):
you know, my mom did something nice for me. She
ordered Halloween havoc, you know, maybe like a birthday present,
and you know, this happens, and then she has to
deal with the stress of the pay per view going
out and like me taping it, and I just felt
bad about it. But yeah, looking back, I was pissed,
like I'm pissed.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
And a lot of other people were too, to the
point that WSW because the main event didn't air at all.
For a lot of people, they totally missed the main event.
I guess you didn't even get to see the end
of the Hogan Warrior match, which I guess wasn't a
terrible thing at the end of the day. But yeah,
a lot of people missed that main event, which was
actually really dope. But w W because so many people

(06:52):
missed out on it, they had to air it again.
I think the next night on Nitro for free, right
did they did? Yeah? So that would more because well.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I paid for it and now you're showing the main
event for free, like give us a refund? Like it
was just all sorts of WW.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, that was a you know what show. But here's
the thing. You can blame the pay per view companies,
but it's not the pay per view company's fault at
all because they had a hard out. It was like
three hours you get out. Ws W just ran way over,
like a good fifteen minutes over at least. And then

(07:30):
when you watch the show you see why they ran over.
It's like, wais W did this to yourself? You had
multiple unadvertised matches? Why you had how many appearances for
the Nigel girls like five?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Why you had multiple talking segments in the arena, like
quick backstage ones where a guy is talking about the
matches getting ready to have That's normal, I'll accept that. No,
we had to have g Oakland and the guy come
out with his entrance and talk and talk and talk.
The show started with a promo, then you had Hogan
with a promo, Like what the hell, what's going on here?

(08:07):
So ws W did it to himself? No, wonder their
show ran over. I said that multiple times in my notes.
No wonder their show ran over because they just had
multiple segments of stuff that just like didn't need to happen.
It's just like get out, like you got you're on paper,
fore you got a hard out three hours, you added
already added matches. That means you gotta cut something else out,

(08:27):
like you got something's gotta go, like they this is
just a disaster to the main event. A good main
event could have potentially salvaged it, and no one even
got to see.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
It, right, And we had two Disco Inferno matches for what?

Speaker 1 (08:40):
For what? That's true to the why didn't could have
just had the number one contendans match on nitro and
do the championship match.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Halloween Havoc Thunder was here at this point, so.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Right on Saturday night, hell something? Why did they have
the two Cruiseway matches when it show like it's just
like y'all did yourselves in on this. Y'all just tried
to pack ten pounds of poop into a five pound
bag and it cost w W dearly. But let's get
into it. They had the intro, which was a very

(09:13):
dramatic video. With the top of the video, the first
thing you see is Hogan and the Warrior. It's not
technically the main event, but this is obviously the biggest
name is involved in the show. I wrote down that
the intro took the WrestleMania six match much better than this,
even though it's Vince McMahon gone, look at the Stars
and the Conservations man the Hogans and the Warriors and

(09:37):
blah blah blah, and it's like that was really stupid,
but it was. It's kind of like WWF knew what
it was and it went into with w W This
was just it just felt wrong. It felt like it
shouldn't have happened now, and.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I totally forgot. You know, they highlighted the disciple I
guess turning on Hogan turning around with o w N jacket.
They did a whole O w N thing with this,
and it just reminded me of like, oh my goodness,
almost everything about Warrior coming in was terrible.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Because it's not NW. Oh it's o w N. Yeah,
one Warrior Nation. Whoa one Warrior nation? That doesn't make
any sense, by the way, And.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
You know what's funny. I thought this was the last
appearance for the Warrior in WCW. But it turns out
it wasn't. He still made a few appearances after this.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Boy the One Warrior Nation. How the hell is the
One Warrior nation with two people? But it's a one
it's one warrior but it's a nation. What that's terrible.
The first thing I wrote down obviously we get to
the pyro and everything, and the first thing I put

(10:47):
was at the stage for Halloween Havoc at Next ninety
eight was so goddamn dope. I don't know why. I
just thought it was awesome with the big pumpkin and
the gargo holding the pumpkin and it's like bouncing back
and forth and the smoke coming out of the gargoyles nose,
Like this is awesome. Like where is this type of

(11:08):
design and just fun creativity type stuff in wrestling today?
Like you don't see it. You see a lot of
led boards and lights, but where is the theme like
the like there's a field, there's a motif to it,
and it just felt cool. And I know maybe a
little nostalgic of me, but damn, it was just fun.
It just felt fun and it felt cool.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, you need every show every pay per view to
have its own feel. And that's the biggest thing that
I've ever agreed with Eric Bischoff on that. He says
like he wanted each pay per view to have a
unique feel. So Halloween Havoc was probably the best for
that in WCW. And then you had like the I
don't know what you call it, but like the small

(11:49):
houses or whatever, the pillars on either side with the
video boards and then the tombstones in front of it,
and you know, people coming around with the inflatable thing,
like with all the smoke, like it's it just looks
so cool and it was awesome. It might might be
the best that they've ever done. And maybe maybe laugh

(12:09):
as this was not a slim Gems Halloween Havoc.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
This is Snickers Snickers right one. But yeah, this was
easily the best daye w W had ever did. The
Star Kate ones, even though there's supposed to be the
bigger event, the Starkrek one, which is it's pretty basic honestly,
but the Halloween have it. They put thought into that one,
and it was it was really dope. I really I

(12:34):
really appreciated it. It was great on the call. By the way,
we got We're back at the MGM Grand and in
Las Vegas. We talked extensively about, uh, the prestige of
that venue last week for the Halloween half of ninety
seven show. Obviously great historic fight venue. But on the
call we got Tony Shavanni, Bobby Heenen, Mike Tay and

(12:57):
no Dusty because Dusty is a part of the wolf Pack, right, yeah, yeah,
it's like what in the hell? So first thing I wrote,
I already missed Dusty like two seconds in and I
already miss him.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Man, he definitely had a way about him, and that
was one of the first things I noticed too.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I was like, no Dusty, right, so the show's already
a step down from last year. There's no Dusty.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yep. I did laugh though when Bobby Heen him put
that mask on, like it was so stupid but so funny.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I just wrote it down like you cussed out Hogan
like he did, just straight up cussed this man's name
and then put down his headset and put this gold
mask on. For what why? It didn't even look like
a Halloween mass It's just like like a mask.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's what it was, like a masquerade thing. And then
he tried to scare Tony, and Tony just stares at
him and then flings it back in his face. Like
I mean, at least it started off with a laugh.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
For me, that was that was silly. That was silly.
All right, So we start off the show not with
a man, but with the Niel girls. All right, here
we go, Nightrol girls start off the show. Okay, I'm
not This is not bad. I mean, I'd rather started
off with a match, but I get it. It's kind
of the part of the pomping circumstance. You know, you
start off football games with the cheerleaders, so off basketball

(14:14):
games with the dance team. Okay, let's start off you know,
Halloween Havoc with the Nitral girls. And they made it
seem like that it was a special occasion because the
Nitrol Girls were in Halloween Havoc, which I guess they
weren't showing up with paper fus that much at this point.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I honestly I don't remember in ninety eight, but uh,
like I couldn't remember fall Ball or even well, I'm
sure they weren't out road Wild, but uh, you know,
I don't know. This might be the first one.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
They were Halloween Havoc girls on this night, not just
Natral girls. Uh. I wrote down here, we're five minutes
into the show and there's not one wrestler in the
ring yet. Got the Nitral girls are getting more ring
time than the wrestlers. I mean, didn't we started off
with a promo like it's a TV show in the

(15:00):
the ring? No, not in the ring, which I would
look I'd rather them not be in the ring, like,
don't do your promos. I don't need in ring promos
on a pay per view. Do that.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
I would also elongate the timeframe of a wrestler not
being in the ring.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Technically that's fair, but don't start off your show with
a promo. How about that.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's a good start.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Had him do their thing and then let's get a
match in the ring. No, we'll get a promo from uh?
It was it Rick Steiner.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yep, right, it's the pound and he's gonna get down.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
He's a rapper that he got bars.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
That's what he said. I wrote it down. I wrote
it down.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
He got bars. I wrote that. I forgot that. I
don't know if you knew this a Rick Steiner. He's
dog faced gremlin in wrestling, but these days, he is
a school board member in District IOV in Cherokee County, Georgia. Yeah,
it is an elected position, so he ran an election.
The first time he ran in a he got to

(16:00):
squalified apparently because he tried to use Steiner as his name,
but that's not as that's not his real names, so
they disqualified him. But eventually he ran and ran unopposed
and got the position. And he's still there in that
spot to this day in Cherokee County, Georgia. But on
this night he's a dog place Grimlin and he is

(16:21):
being I guess, courted, so to speak, by one buff
Bagwell who came out wearing the dopest fubuu shirt in history.
That's that's that's in the Foobuo Shirt Hall of Fame,
the one that buff Bagwell had on. If there is
such a thing.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I will take your word for it. I did not notice.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I forgot. You never even had a stitch of foobu clothing,
not one thread of fuobu clothing, which is wild to me.
I feel like every kid in America had at least
one generic foodbue shirt, even if it wasn't really a foobuo.
It's like from a knockoff from like some local beauty
store in your neighborhood that had like knockoff foobuo shirts.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I don't know f b on it.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
And it's like, alright, let's go.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, not entirely sure.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Oh man killing me here. Just know that the Buff
Bagwell one is in the Foo Buo shirt Hall of Fame.
Just know that, take my word on that. But he
asked Rick Steiner if he could be in Rick Steiner's
corner for his magic in Scott Steiner, because the Steiner
brother's supposed to have a match brother versus brother, and
Buff Bagwell came out like, hey man, I'm with you.

(17:30):
I want to be in your corner. And I wrote down, clearly,
this is a setup. How did Rick Steiner fall for this?
Why would you trust Beth Bagwell in any form or fashion? Why?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Because he said that he wanted to beat up Scott
and I think that was enough for Rick. I wrote down,
Rick's dumbass, says, okay.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Clearly, what's a dumb ass. There's another instance of boo
boo the food right here. We saw it during a
lex express at so but this is what makes you
boo boo the fool when you fall for stupid stuff
like this rick Steiner this night with a boom boo
the fool, but.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Was going all in on the Wolf Warf. It was
too much.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
He's doing the run around. He's running around.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's like he's making right.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I will say, though rick Steiner was low key over
like people was into Rick Steiner and in the Bark
and the whole the whole nine. I mean, people forget
how over rick Steiner was.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, that is true, especially on this night, as we'll
see later.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, we'll talk about it, we'll get into it. But
finally we get a match that's about to happen. Okay,
we get music for a match. At least we get
Ravens w w F music because wsw's music, I guess
isn't copyright or whatever by w W So he comes
out to the ring and he was apparently on a

(18:59):
losing streak. So what do they do? Give him a
TV title match. Of course that's what. You don't lose
a lot, you get a TV title match.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
It'll be in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Outcomes Chris Jericho at some point, also with his WWF
music makes sense. But before I think that, before the
bell even rang Raven cuts a promo complaining, what about Raven.
You know, I wasn't told about this match ahead of time.
Everybody's working against me, blah blah blah. He attempts to
walk out. Jericho gets in the ring, he gets on

(19:36):
the microphone, he talks tracks about Raven. Raven takes offense.
He runs to the ring, and the bell rings for
the match, And I wrote down that the bell didn't
ring for the first match until twelve minutes and fifty
two seconds into the show, And you wonder why this
show ran over.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
This was also the year that they went the nitro
was three hours, and they went the whole first hour
without a match, like they were doing matches for the
live crowd, but they weren't airing matches. They were airing
a bunch of promo packages and stuff like that and vignettes.
So this was WCW. Man, this was WCW. I don't

(20:17):
know what they Yeah, maybe they thought, oh, let's try
we gotta try something different, but not different like that.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I still want to see wrestling bro a wrestling show exactly.
I remember being at a Raw in twenty ten. This
is when Raw was still two hours, by the way,
and they had a couple talking segments and people were like,
I want to see wrestling. Like there's probably like two
talking segments like into the show, and people were complaining

(20:44):
on a two hour show. Can only imagine what those
people wi feel like today on a three hour show.
But like two hours and people even in twenty ten,
it was like, yo, I want to see wrestling. Where's
the action? Like the promos? I could the promos are
for the people at home. I could that you got
to tell the stories. But the people in the building,
they still want to see some action. Understand. They probably also,

(21:05):
you know, you said they aired they had matches for
the live crowd. But if I'm watching a wrestling show
at home, I still want to see some action too.
I don't know, I'm not here to watch just the
soap opera, right, I want to see some matches. But
here we are twelve almost thirteen minutes into the show.
That's when the bell finally rang for the first match.
But the thing is, like four different things happened before.
That wasn't like one long segment even yeah, it was girls,

(21:28):
it was Rick Steiner, Buff Bagwell, and then Raven's promo,
and then Jericho's promo, and then the match number and
their entrances too. My bad.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, there you go. I numbered everything. This is number
four on my Chris Jerico Versus Ravens, number.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Four, number four.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I didn't necessarily I didn't necessarily number segments. I just
kind of broke them down, and uh, you know, broke
broke them up. So I got like the fourth thing
that happened on the pay per view, Ravens.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
That's my point. It's like that should be the first thing.
Let's get them out there right away. But the match
itself wasn't much to write home about. I mean, I
know if you had any notes about it.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I left, Jericho got the lion tamer On Raven. Raven
got to the ropes eventually, and heenan Bobby Heenes says
that's the longest six inches of his life, and imature
Nick just laughed, Wow, yeah, Bobby.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
He had. He had a couple of one line on
the show that wow, really yeah, Jericho, I don't The
one he said during Huba Tu Guerrero's entrance was like, wow, Bobby,
come on, baby, you better than this.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Let's see. Did I say anything about that?

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I didn't take notes about it, but I remember him
saying something terrible about Mexican people. Oh yeah, yeah, Bobby,
that was rough, but uh, excuse. Eventually, Kenyon comes to
the ring, tries to help Raven. Doesn't work. Jericho gets
him in the line tamer. Raven quickly taps out and
announces it all like, well, Raven just wants to quit.

(23:10):
You know, he's just he's just quitting.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I guess, so, like, yeah, doesn't hurt. Like, hell right,
let's have put it on you guys.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Say, Mike today, you're a professor, but that don't mean
you're a wrestler. That's two different things. Okay, in case
you didn't know, Uh, after this match, all right, we
get the ball rolled and we got a match. Let's
get another match in the ring.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Right, wrong, No, no, no, no, no wrong.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Let's get another promo in the arena, this time of
Paul Cogan. This couldn't happen, bastage apparently just had to happen.
In front of the crowd. Hogan comes out looking as
tan as I think I've ever seen this man in
my life. I think if he was more tan, he
would have been black, and I'm not sure he would

(24:01):
have liked that. I think he went just to the
edge and he's like, oh, brother, take it easy. I
don't want to be, you know, one of those dark people,
you know, I just want to be dark, that's all.
Take it easy, brother, Oh man, I don't want to
be black.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Come on, Bishoff couldn't be more white. The palest I've
ever seen him, pretty much. But apparently this was the
first time he had short hair, because uh, the announcers
remarked that Bishoff had a new look or whatever. So, yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Bus cut, Yeah, I didn't like this bus. I like
with the I mean, he had the bus cut. Now
he's fine with it, but back then, I feel like
he with the with the longer cut, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, once gotta flaunt that fuller, thicker, hairy.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Why you got it? Like, I'm doing it right now? There,
you go do it while you got it. It's right,
you know what I'm saying. But Hogan talks about beating
up his nephew Horace, you know, uh, and talked about
what if I did that to my nephew, imagine what
I'm gonna do to the warrior. YadA, YadA, YadA. Then
they talked about the gargoyle and he then was like

(25:16):
Oh yeah, I met the gargoyle an hour ago. I
had a conversation with it, and it's like, I don't
I don't know what this was. I don't know what
that was supposed to be. Was that supposed to be funny?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Was this after the promo?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I think it was after because I wrote it down
after the promo.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I missed that one.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Honestly, it doesn't matter. It was just, yeah, it was
a throwaway moment that for some reason I didn't throw away.
I kept and it was dumb. Move on to another match,
Ming versus Wrath. Wrath, of course, is played by Brian Clark.

(25:57):
Of course, was also Adam Baum. And remember Adam Bam.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Of course I do. I thought he was the originator
of the Adam bomb.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I did not know it was spelled a T O M.
So when I first saw at them bomb, I was like,
they spelled them wrong.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
It's ad Am to you know, watch too much wrestling.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I'm telling you, Adam bomb is one of the things
that I learned from wrestling.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You raised your hand in the class. It's like, uh
ma'am uh sir, Adam spelled wrong? Is a D A M.
You know the wrestler like WWF. He fought Marchaman, the
wrestling he attendant like ship the hell up? Nick, stop
watching wrestling all the time?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Oh man, And it happened quite a bit. I wrote
akay Haku versus Adam.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Bomb, So, oh my god, remember when Wrath and Mortis
were like Mortal Kombat characters to fight against another Mortal
Combat character? And sure, absolutely what the hell WSW.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
In the in the in the heyday of the nWo
storyline too, So it was kind of like, on one hand,
he got this and on the other hand he got that.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I guess it's like Baskin Robins. You gotta have thirty
one flavors, something for everybody. This wasn't for anybody, though.
That wasn't for anybody. It's just funny because, like I said,
ninety seven Halloween Havoc looked like WSW had the stuff together.
Was it perfect? No, But it seemed like it had
a direction. It seemed like it had a focus. You know,
they were like Halloween Havoc. They were starting stories that

(27:35):
led into starcade. You know. It was it was dope,
and it just it just everything made sense, like like
you know where I can connect these dots here, and
it made me want to watch Starkad. Watching the show
did not make me want to watch Star K ninety eight.
Like it was just like, what's going on? Why do
we have Ming and Wrath on Halloween havoc? Right now? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I don't even know, And I don't even think they
really did promo packages for these matches until Scott Hall
Kevin Nash, so we're like a ways away, and it
was just kind of like match after match of just
commentators kind of saying, yeah, these guys are gonna fight.
You know, there was no issue really between you know,

(28:15):
some of these wrestlers and matches, so you know, Meghan Rath,
it wasn't even like face versus heel. It was just
like something versus something because half the crowd cheered for
each of them, half the crowd booed for each of them,
So we didn't even know what the hell was going on.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Monster versus monster That's what this was.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, I guess, I guess. And Scott Dickinson man one
of the one of the bad refs. He doesn't even
he rings the bell after meng hits Wrath, preventing him
from getting in the ring. So he doesn't even let
Raff get in the ring before calling for the bell.

(28:53):
What kind of referering is that?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
This is WSW Man, We're going to get into worse
refereing later on in the show.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay, well, I mean we definitely will. But it's a
little thing like that that I'm just like, and I
know what happens a lot, but for some reason it
stood out to me on this night watching this show.
It's like lazy stuff where it's just like, oh, man's
gonna beat him up before you know he even gets
into the ring. Let's just call for the bell like

(29:23):
that type of stuff. That's stuff that WCW didn't let happen,
you know, during when it was on top, you know,
like because everything made sense in terms of story, in
terms of the sports presentation, the referees, everything made sense.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Not on this night, for whatever reason, for a variety
of reasons, I should say w CW lost its way,
and you could see it on this night. They lost
their way at some point in ninety eight, ninety seven.
They had their way in ninety eight. Sometimes they I
don't know, you could put point it to. You can
blame whatever you want, whether it's excuse me, the booking
or you know, whoever was in charge at that point,

(29:59):
or the politics. At some point, they lost their way.
At one point though, they mentioned that there was a
bunch of baseball players and attendance, including a pair of
guys in the Oakland Athletics, because the World Series is
either going on or was about to be over at
that point. Out the Padres Yankees War Series nineteen ninety eight,
and the Padres are still in the National League, right right?
Right about that?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah? Yeah, I thought that.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, and it's still in the National League today. I'm
thinking like they switched league for some reason, the Astros
switched league. It's not the Padres, but.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
The Astros cheated in both the National League and the
American League.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
I don't recall them cheating in the National League or
I'm not gonna talk about it. I just we can
talk about it. Off.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
That was me. That was me taking a shot.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Okay. I don't know what happened with them in the
National League. I know there's some discrepancies in the American
League couple of years ago, but that's all I know.
But we might get another Yankees Padres World Series in
twenty twenty. How about that? It's possible. I think the
Padres one to night too. By the way, as we
record this.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Good for that right are losing right now, but it
is game three, So.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Athletics, the A's won tonight. How about that. We'll talking
about the Astros and A's and they're playing they played today.
But those Athletics that were there were Jason Giambi, who
of course is the brother of Philly's great Jeremy Giambi,
and Matt Stairs, who actually is a memorable.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Philly He he's never gonna pay for another beer, another
cheese steak in his life in Philly.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Because he hit that home run into the nights during
the NLCS.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
You want to know what's funny, I mean that I
didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
You didn't see the home run.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I was so angry that the Phillies were losing that
I turned the game off.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Wow, in the NLCS.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
On the I changed the channel because.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
This was like twelve years ago, so you might have
been a little more in an emotional state back then.
I'll give you. I'll give you.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
It was, you know. I stated earlier that Halloween HAVOC
announcement on Sunday was the best moment of my life.
Not seeing this Matt Stairs home run was the worst moment, bro.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
But you I got to pull your card on this one.
You can't turn the game off in the middle of
the NLCS when it's a baseball game. We're not running
out of time necessarily.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Like it was a score.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
It wasn't. It was not a massive so they were
only down by two, I think, but oh, give me
a break and then come on.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
So here's my thought process. I'm like, the lineups looking
like crap. They had lost Game three, and you know,
it looks like they're gonna lose Game four. So the
series is gonna be tied to two because the Phillies
are up two to one right now. And you know
that I've been watching every single game season and when

(33:01):
the lineup is bad, it is bad. But when it's good,
there's no lineup that was better in two thousand and eight.
So they were looking really, really bad, and I'm like,
there's nowhere they're gonna win this. So I turned it
off probably a Thursday night, probably turned on the office
or something, and I get a text from my girlfriend

(33:22):
at the time and she says, Shane, and you know,
I with like an exclamation point so I turn it
back and I see that Shane Victory No tied the
game with a home run. Okay, maybe if I change
the channel again, something good will happen.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I can't watch the game now, because this stuff happens
when I don't watch the game.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
So I switched it back and I told my girlfriend this,
and then you know, minutes later, Matt stair sitys to
home run and she all she does is texts me
back one exclamation point. So I turn and I see
stars round in the bases have to come home. I
was like, oh my god, Like I missed it live,
but thankfully I was dvring it so I could rewind

(34:08):
it and watch it. But that live moment I missed
it because like I didn't have a natural reaction to
it because I missed it live, And.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
You missed Joe Buck's fantastic call, bro.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
It was good. I don't into I don't care what
people say about Joe Block. I love a lot of
the calls he makes, and it was one of them.
That was one of them.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Joe Buckers, the Proprocle Hall of Famer Joe buck Man
about that, but uh, Matt Stairs showed up at Wing
Bowl one year, which we get. If you want to
know about wing Bull for international listeners or listeners who
aren't from Philly, head over to our Patreon Patriot dot com.
Slashooters Radio did a whole deep dive from the wing
Bowl with the good brother Tommy Rowan about a month

(34:51):
or so ago, so go check that out. Uh, but
Matts Stair showed up at wing Bowl one year and
came out to Steve Austin Steve Music. So that was
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
That's great, that was great.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
There is a wrestling tie. We tied it all back
to wrestling somehow, despite our little tangent on baseball, especially
specifically nineteen the two thousand and eight Phillies ten years
after Halloween. Having nineteen ninety eight, there we go, it's
probably run the same time. Everything is intertwined.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
It all is.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
It really is. But that's how much we didn't care
about this matches because we rather talk about Matt Stairs
and his epic home run in the NLCS in two
thousand and eight amazing as opposed to Wrath beating Ming
with the Meltdown. So yeah, it happened. Yeah. Then we
cut to Kidman being on the Internet Show with Lee Marshall,

(35:45):
which I didn't know that stage is like out in
the arena. I didn't either realize that until ddp's entrance.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I said the same thing. I made note of that.
I was like, I don't even I think then, I
don't remember if the announcers even said let's go backstage
or whatever. But you know, we're so used to it
being quote unquote backstage that I just thought this was
backstage somewhere.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Maybe it was never backstage and they thought it was
maybe just assumed it was, but it was right out
in the arena.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
But we get to the number one contenders match for
the cruiseweight Championship. Again, this match should have happened on
a nightrol or a thunder leading up to this, but
here we are Disco Infernal versus Hoove and Tu Guerrera
Hoov and Tude is maskless ws W y'all did made
the wrong decision there with many other loutra doors as well.

(36:33):
But this is a decent match. I mean, yeah, Disco
did a big swing, he made himself really dizzy and
fell right into Hooven Tude's uh genitalia. That was kind
of funny. It was pretty short and Disco Infernal won.
That was pretty much it.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I remember after Disco fell and Hoovey was trying to
recover the referee as Tovie, if he's okay, Tony Shavanni
on commentary goes, no, he's not okay.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
And call the match off right now.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
And the funniest part of this for me was Dorin
Disco's entrance. You know, everyone does the disco dance and whatever.
There's a little girl on her like dad's shouldiers tried
to do the disco dance and he pulls out a
camera to take a picture and she almost falls off
his shoulders. Like it's quick, it's like that, but I
noticed it and I laughed. I made it.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I didn't notice that because it was like a quick
like what this is ninety eight?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
You could tell her that you can just be like
she goes yeah, like she she doesn't want to, you know,
fall just because the dad wants to take a picture
of Disco Inferno an.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Easy to take pictures ninety eight man cameras, the polaroids
were bigger. You pluted the phone out. Now it's easy,
but back then you get to wind the film up
and all that. Like we talked about last week. Let
me get the flash. Now, hold on, now, let me
let me check the flash real quick. Was that that? No,
that was what w's W show was that when we
watched and had Sonny taking pictures of all the Luca.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Doors Halloween having ninety seven. Yep, it was beginning with
Eugene Nagata.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
It took pictures of a bunch of guys too. It
was we just watched it recently. Oh, Class of the Champions.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Oh, a bunch of guys. I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
It was like Viano four five and.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh yeah, it was like a four or four match, right, yeah, gotcha. Yeah,
we're we are the w CW show now like the
fourth straight ws W show. We're deep diving.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
So, I mean, what, it's October, you gotta do Halloween
have it?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I guess we'll do a deep dive on a hell
and a cell next week. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Maybe you know we got to uh you know, we're
gonna go back to w CW Baby in November with
Fall Brawl.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Four dives comes like, oh, I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, I guess, Oh you're you were thinking starcade, But
I mean, yeah, but you know.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
We got at least the early starcades. But man, I get.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Fall Ball ninety seven's gotta be one in ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
We're just gonna watch all aust.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
W Yeah, I'm into it now, I'm all into.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
We gotta go back and watch it. Man, fall Brough
was in November. That was in September.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
No, it was September. But war games, you know, and
if WWE does war games and nxts, then I thought,
I thought.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I'd rather watch like an old school war games then.
But we'll talk about this offline.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
How about that.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Okay, we'll put a meeting on the books. We'll circle back.
I'm got me use all the corporate speak here. After
this match, that's just discording fernal match. We get more
Natil girls. I think it's the second time you've seen
the Nachel girls in like an hour, probably less than that. Yeah, uh,

(39:58):
Heena didn't want anyone talking while Nightro girls after.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Though, my favorite, And this happened on Nitro. I don't
even know if they were on Thunder, but whenever they
would come out like here and there, the commentators it was,
you know, kind of poke fun at each other and
like today here was like Tony, get back in your chair.
You know, I'm just like visualizing, like Tony out of
his share, like just dancing or something or trying to

(40:22):
go near the Nitro girls. And then they keep talking
back and forth and he is like, both of you
shut up.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
He didn't ask for a cold tile. Afterwards, it's like,
take it easy, Bobby.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
You gotta get the Nitro girls over.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Gotta get the Nitro girls over, and we also gotta
get another promo.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Absolutely, this is a third promo of the night.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
At least. No, you got Rick Steiner, Hogan Raven and
now Scott Steiner. So that's a fourth promo of the night.
Scott Steiner and your arena shirtless, because why not. It's
a big, bad booty daddy doesn't walk around with a
shirt on. And he's talking about his brother, and he's
talking about Marcus aka buff Bagwell because remember buff Bagwell

(41:08):
one point was known as Marcus Alexander Bagwell and the
American males, yeah, was the American males yep. And he's
with Cold Scorpio.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Oh that yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I don't remember the name of that one. They were
pretty good tactics.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
They were they were like the first w's W Tag
team I really kind of knew was when I Will
watched like ninety three, ninety four, whenever they were teaming up.
But I don't know if they had a name. I
don't think they had a name, you know what, I
think they did, because I do remember Bagwell with the
Patriot they were stars and stripes, and but I do

(41:50):
remember him with Too Cold Scorpio too.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
They were pretty dope tac team.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah. I really liked that they were like different, you know, all.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Right, I don't remember they had a name neither, but oh, well,
man but man. Scott Steiner, he's out there with the Giant.
They're talking trash, and then he's so confident that they're
gonna beat Rick Steiner that he's like, you know what's
making a tag team match, rick Steiner and buff Bagwafers

(42:20):
is me and the Giant, and we're so confident want
to win. We'll put the w W tag team titles
on the line. Now, were they the tack team champions
heading into the show? They apparently were. I had no idea,
I had no recollection of that. I feel like they
weren't and something went wrong. But somewhere something happened, like they.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Wanted Saturday night at an al show or something.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
I don't know. Something happened though. I call it the
title history real quick, but I feel like I thought
it was the Giant and Scott Hall were the tag
team champions for this. For some reason, it went to
Scott Steiner. But again I can look it up. I
don't know. Yeah, I can find the damn taxiing history,

(43:09):
the title history here on ww dot com. They're no help, thanks,
w W.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, not at all, no help.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
And I think.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Because I remember, I guess the Giant want it back
from Sting when Sting won it in the summer by himself.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
And then yeah, good lord, and then okay, according to Wikipedia,
here we go. Okay, the Outsiders were the champions of
February nineteen ninety eight at fall Broad Then they went
to Sting in the Giant. Then they were vacated, then
went to Sting and Kevin Nash, then Scott Hall on
the Giant.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Then it went to.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Rick Steiner. And we'll talk about this later on.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
So yeah, because when Sting he faced the Giant one
on one and the winner would become the tag team
champions and then choose their partner sustaining one chose Kevin
Nash because he was in the wolf Pack, and then
Scott Hall and the Giant must have beat them on
like a nitro.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Or pay per view or something something like that. Confusing.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
It all went downhill after the Outsider's loss at Slabbree
when Hall turned on Nash. It was just all the
tax titles became screwy after that. I mean they were
kind of screwy before that.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
But all turning on Nash in general, which is weird. Yeah,
but JJ Dillon comes out and says, you know, he's like, okay,
well we'll make this happen, but if you lose the belts.
Rick Steiner gets Scott Steiner for fifteen minutes, and Scott
Steiner agrees, what.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Do you think JJ knows better by this point? Come on,
we'll see what cracks me up with. Scott Steiner just
yells at JJ's like we're the nWo and you're not.
That's it's that matters, okay, man, Like Scott had the
funniest probos man because he it was either yeah, because

(45:03):
he made the littlest thing seem so bad, like we're
the nWo and you're not. I was like, well, I'm
not messing with Scott Steiner then, jeez.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
No, no, uh, speaking of somebody, I'm not messing with
fit Finley. He was next out going against Alex Wright.
Apparently they would just seeing who was the best wrestler
in Europe, so they had a match Ireland versus Germany.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
They actually had a backstory here that the announcers explained
that we wouldn't have known otherwise, and I'm loving it.
They apparently said fit Finley ended Alex Wright's father's career
by breaking his leg. Apparently, so even if it was wrong,

(45:47):
like it made that. This is like the WW I
loved when they were telling us why we should care
about this match, because again it's like two heels again,
like pretty much like, no one's cheering for fit Finley
at this point, No one's cheering for Alex right, except
that one guy in the audience that was doing a
disco dance that didn't understand Alex Wright's dance. But whatever,

(46:09):
and uh yeah, and I really liked this match, by
the way.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
It was a good match. It was a hell of
a good match. It was like they beat the hell
out of each other for like five minutes. Yeah, I
thought it was dope. Yeah, maybe the best match of
the night maybe. Uh no, No, it was a good
match though, Oh you know, yeah it was a damn
good match. Yeah, but it was the best match of

(46:36):
the night. We can go second best, but no, this
day were beat the hell out of each other, which
means part from the chorus we got Fit Finley in
the ring. I thought Alex right got to look like
a tough guy for once, and he won the match.
He did, uh Fit Finley's hair not great?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, that was you know, it took me a while
because I was like, that guy looks familiar. Where do
I know him from? And before he changed his name
to Fifth Finley, he was the Belfazt bruiser with long
dark hair, and I was like, oh yeah, I put
two and two together.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
And he got four.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, look at that.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
It was wild because even though I enjoyed this match,
the fans were giving it a boring chance at one point.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah they I don't know if they heard at this
point the w W crowd was more more or less
not their core crowd that this. I think this is
more like a WWF type crowd where they, you know,
the wrestling fans came in ninety eight. They wanted a
certain type of show, and they didn't care if like
a wrestling match, a stiff wrestling match was there, Like,

(47:43):
they didn't care about it. It's right.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
They didn't care about fit Finley. So that's ww's fault though.
Absolutely absolutely, they didn't make us, didn't give us anybody
a reason to care.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I mean, I'm watching that at home. I didn't really
care about it, and I watched this back and I'm
thinking of, damn, this is awesome. So you know, what
is it? What is it like twenty almost twenty years later?
So no, twenty years yeah, yeah, twenty two years later, damn?
Yeah whoa yeah Thomas Line thirty five baby but yeah,

(48:14):
birthday word and yeah this as a fan back then,
I didn't care about this match at all, so I
kind of fit with that. I was like, get this
match out of here, like come.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
On, well they got it out of here, uh in
due time? After write Alex like one we didn't cut
to the cat Ernest Miller on the Internet Show with
Lee Marshall talking about all his victories and his credentials
and his nicknames, which called himself the greatest, and he's like,

(48:47):
that's not your nickname. He didn't say whose nickname it was,
but it clearly, you know, talking about Muhammad Ali. I
don't know why he couldn't just say his name, but okay, man,
and then he's like, well, I'm the real deal, and
he's like, well that's not that's somebody else thick name too,
And clearly he's mentioning Evander Holyfield but didn't say his
name for some reason. I don't know why. Fun fact

(49:09):
this laugh, this is weird. This is that even though look,
I gotta say the cat, ernest Cat Miller, I think
was hysterical back in the day. I think he was great.
I don't know why I liked him so much. I
thought he was funny, and he's a legit like karate champion,
like he wasn't somebody to be played with. But I
don't know. I just thought he was hilarious the way

(49:30):
he talked and stuff like.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
He was one of the characters I love the most
at this point, and you know him saying he was
sixty five and oh against the tough guys and five
and oh against the overweight class and then laughed. I
was just like, man, this is great. I love this guy.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
The cat was great. We should have got more cat,
absolutely more cat. That sounds weird to say. Well, speaking
of a holy Field, I'm not sure if you know this,
but we got his son on the eagle. So Elijah Field,
I still think he's there, right, that's something clipping.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
He might he might. He might have to get in
the lineup at some point. Keep going.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Now, Yep, he's still there. Look, I ain't gonna talk
about that. I just know he's on the team, all right.
He is on the team. He's on the practice squad
right now, so I know that much. So we got
a son on the team. We actually had. We actually
had a Vander Holyfield at the game last year, his
first game up with us, when we actually picked him up.
Evander came to the game. I guess I think it

(50:31):
was the Patriots. I think we got like a little
cell phone shout out from Vanda Holyfield.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
You could have put him out there on the field
instead of Nelson Aklar.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
But look, i't got Look, I'm gonna talk about that,
all right, you know what.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I'm not here to to try and make you, you know,
comment on that. But sometimes it's just gotta get it
off my chest.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
But Nelson Agelo has got two touchdowns for the Raiders
this season.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I think that has nothing to do with him.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I'm just saying he.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Got a couple of touchdown shout out to Nagal, but
he would have ten if he was here. Damn it. Okay,
moving on, I won our team to win. Damn it
it hurts.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Moving on to Loady and Paris Saturn.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I roll here was great.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Another unadvertised match. This is a match that did not
belong on pay per view. No disrespect to LOADI of
Para Saturn, but this is a nitro match. This is
a thunder match. The story that they were telling in
this match did not warn it to be on pay
per view. The silliness they were doing in this match
did not warn it to be on pay per view.
They were trying to get Paris Saturn over and I'm

(51:43):
fine with that, but that's something that needs to be
done on TV, not on a pay per view when
you're already running over time, Bro, Like, why did this
happen and not Loady? You know it's with his signs.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
No disrespect to LOADI, but you don't belong there.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
What today does somebody in w W watch sign guy Dudley.
It was like, you know what, that could be a
good gimmick for somebody.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure, pretty sure that's where it started.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Hey, Lodi, you haven't see the sign guy Dudley, Guy
who come over here? I got something for you. You
want to get on TV? For sure? You want to
hold these signs? Not necessarily, but do you want to
get on TV and get paid? Okay, you got signs?
I guess. Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
And with something that I absolutely believe was not, you know,
written into the match, someone took his signs to the
back or ready to take him and he ran after
them and says, hey, bring back my signs. I need
them and chases him down and brings them back, and
he looks right at the camera when he brings them
back and says, leave these right here. They're important.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I don't think that was like written into the match
for some reason. W W ninety eight. I feel like
that was legit. That was like a real thing that
we saw.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
It was real stupid. I can tell you that it's
really dumb because.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
It was part of the match. He went he was
getting the snock kicked out of him by Saturn, and
then then he leaves to hold up a load. He
likes Texas sign, Like, what is going on here?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
This is what I'm talking about when I say WSW
lost their way, Like this was not on Halloween? Have
it the year before? Like there was maybe one at
an advertised match because I guess maybe they were short
on time at to feel some time. Okay, let's send
Jericho and Gato out there, okay, And they had a
good match. Yeah, they weren't trying to tell some stupid stories.

(53:33):
Squat there, entertainer fans get out this one. On the
other hand, with the loading nonsense, what is that It's
supposed to be funny? Maybe what happened that were such
a like a more serious product the year before, and
it's like y'all just lost it, Like don't know what
happened to WSW. But let's let's take some time here

(53:55):
talk about Perry Saturn. First of all, talk about his gear,
which they talked about the show, and his hat and
his gear and his vest and I wanted to make
fun of him. Did I realized that he actually was
in the army and he graduated from ranger school and
that's not something to sneeze at, So shout out to
Paris Saturn for that, but also Paris Saturn. I thought

(54:19):
Paris Saden was dope, Like I don't. I think people
don't talk enough about how good Paris Aden was in
the ring. Maybe he wasn't the best hawker or the
best like personality, but he had a great look and
he can work. Like I thought Paris Saduren was dope.
And let's not forget too. He was in the ECW
as one half of the Eliminators and he had one
of the greatest finishing moves of all time total elimination

(54:41):
YEP and ws W with the Sue Plexus thed WWF
and they completely ruined him, made him fall in love
with a mop. But I thought Para Saturn was dope.
I just think he's an underrated kind of talent. Maybe
he wasn't like a top star, maybe he wasn't a
main inventor, but I guess he would be the roverbial,

(55:01):
solid hand as they would say. And yeah, I think
his I think he's underappreciated and in the grand scheme
of things in wrestling, pay A Saturn I.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I might agree with that because a lot of people
will remember him from when he jumped to WWE and
out of him De Malenko, Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoir.
He seemed to be on the outside. They did.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
He was like the four wheel.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, they did like the Malenko. At least he had
like the light heavyweight division to focus on and stuff
like that. Eddie Guerrero was Eddieurero and ben Wa was
Ben Wah at that time. Uh, I agree with you.
He was solid in the ring. He moved well, I remember,
I don't remember if it was that barely legal, but
he was injured. His his leg was injured in e

(55:48):
c W and he did like an elbow drop off
the top of rope. Plus his leg was still on
a cast or something, and it was just one of
the most iconic moments that I remember from ECW back then. Uh,
you know, all my respect to him for the ECW days.
And I was actually pretty pissed when they went to
w CW. I wanted them to go to the WWF.
I'm sitting here, you know, it seems like w wf's

(56:09):
working with ECW, and then I see some ECW guys
jump to WCW. I was confused. I was like, no, man,
they're gonna They're gonna ruin you. They didn't ruin him
right away. I thought he was good with the flock
and Raven. At this point they were trying to kind
of like, you know, push him into his own have
his own you know, unique aura about him and away

(56:29):
from Raven, and it was okay.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
But then not long after this, he went right into
the dress stuff with Jericho and he's he apparently thought
it would get him more over with the audience. But
I just don't think it did enough for him, uh,
you know, down the road. But I always thought he
was solid, like you said, solid hand. I always enjoyed
him watching him on TV, you know, even the promos,
Like he might have not been great at him, but

(56:54):
you know I paid attention when he was on my TV.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, I think, uh, if they had brought him Paris
Saturn and John Cronis as the eliminators into WSW or WWF,
I should say I should if they brought them into
WWF in ninety eight or whatever that was, Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Would have been cool.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
That would have been dope.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Well, yeah, he was in. He Saturn went to w
ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Actually, right, so all right, so they stay they bring
him in ninety seven, then they didn't have a bunch
of great tag teams in ninety seven. They had.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Cut right.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
They brought back the New the New Midnight Express in
ninety eight, like you know, like they could have used
a tag team like the Eliminators. And I think even though, yeah,
they brought him in with the Radicals in two thousand
and that was pretty dope, but they, like you said,
they kind of they weren't really like a team and
as much as they were just like a group of guys.
So they had something to do for Benoir, they had

(57:48):
something to do for Guerrero. They even found something to
do for Malenco. But they just feel like it had
Saturn kind of like just hanging out until he fell
in love with a mop, Like it was stupid.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
He might have been like the European Champion, but you know,
that was at the time when the European Champion kind
of lost some of its luster. It was kind of
seven title is today. It was just kind of like
it was just there out there. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
But if you if they had brought them in in
ninety seven as the Eliminators, I think they would have
been something. I think they would have been dope. And
maybe Perry Sadam could have transitioned to something else. Maybe
he went to WW, because that's where a lot of
those other guys who went from e c W went,
you know, Benoi, Gerrero, Mysterio Malinko, all these guys in

(58:32):
the ECW, and they eventually went to w c W Jericho. Yeah,
but uh yeah, I think, like I said, Parry Saturn,
I thought he was a very underappreciated talent in the ring.
And you know, I think he could have done more
in wrestling. Maybe, like I said, maybe he wouldn't have
been a top guy. I'm not saying he should have
been world champion, but I think he could have done

(58:53):
a lot more on his own in wrestling. Loading another hand, Yeah,
I don't know. It wasn't digging him. Wasn't digging his
blonde hair with the thick black sideburns. Look neither, What
the hell? What the hell is happening this whole thing?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Hey, that was a wrestling Look, I'm only.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
A wrestling Look, yes, only in wrestling. You're one hundred
percent correct. So the Paris Saturn Wedndesley Z we move
on to more naturl girls. I think this is like
their third appearance on the show so far again, you
wonder why this show ran over. I could see if
they had him at the beginning of the show and
maybe you have them in the middle as a little

(59:37):
like intermission entertainment. But they had him at least one
more time after this, right, I think so they did.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
They did down how many times? The last time was
when they had the wigs on.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Right, which is like the Little Kim video from like
ninety seven around this time period. But okay, more natural girls.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
So before the nightrol girls, you make a note of
Bobby Heenen talking. He was talking about Rick Steiner and
Scott Steiner and like the announcers, was talking about it
as a whole, and then he didn't started talking about
he wants to see a good family fight, mother and father,
brother and sister ripping and tearing each other apart, and Tony.

(01:00:19):
Tony had to stop him. He puts his hand out,
just like relax.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Mother and father. That's taught domestic violence.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Bro dude, man, Bobby, I don't know what about this,
but I was cracking out because he started being very demonstrative.
He's like mother and father, brother sister ripping and tearing
each other apart. And Tony He's like, all right, relax
this baby, laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Bobby Heenen was on one in this one. He was
he was on another one. I'm just gonna say that.
But we got to move on to the Cruiserweight Championship
between Kidman defending against his new number one contender, Disco Inferno.
Did Disco Infernal even get an hour before this match.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
No, which is which is cool because the announcer has
mentioned that Tony was like, I thought he would have
a little more time in between matches here. Yeah, they
definitely made mention of it, which was cool, and you know, hey,
they made something seem real, but.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Also Disco got kind of screwed over, and then he
at least got an hour. He got like twenty five
minutes or something. Oh well, yeah, that's kind of fair.
Oh well, that's fair because it's Disco on Fernal, who
really cares.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And then they did keep ken Man's theme here, which
is awesome. I loved his theme.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
I was gonna say his theme music was pretty dope.
I'm not gonna lie to you. And but when he
got to WWE, he had like this rap song for
a theme music. Do you do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
I don't off the top of my head, go look
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
It's it. It did not fit Billy Kidmen at all.
I remember when my first heard it back in the day,
and I was like, why does he have this song? Like,
is he like a is he a hip hop hit?
Maybe it is, I don't know, Like maybe they do
a lot of rapping out in town. I don't know,
in the Lehigh Valley. Maybe they got a big rap scene.

(01:02:15):
Then maybe Billy Kidman was a part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I don't know, I did. I did make mention my
hair right now is about the same length as Kimpin's here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Oh, there you go. So that means you're gonna be
marrying Tory Wilson some time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Soon apparently, all right, all right, I guess I don't
know if his is longer or Stings was longer. You know,
Stings had pretty long hair at this point, so it
was kind of like between them two that that's kind
of what my hair looks like now, if you could
picture it when it's down. I don't wear it down

(01:02:49):
like that, but that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
What it is. You're a generic wrestler named Billy Sting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Steve Kidman. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Sting Kidman.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Hey, that's a badass man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
This match was pretty good. It got some unique offense,
and I thought that was pretty cool some of the
offense they did. For some reason though, when Disco Inferno
was beating up Billy Kidman, he's yelling at him and
he Kidman turned the music down? Yes, Mom, what the
hell was that? What was that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I wrote that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
What? What? What did I miss?

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Uh? Honestly, my first thought was that he's making fun
of his name.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
He's a little kid, you know, So that's the stupidest joke.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
That is all I could come up with.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
If that's the case, Disco Inferno is the least funniest
person on the planet. I'm calling it right now. That's
the least funniest person.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
That's definitely not something that was fed to him. So like,
say this while you're on offense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Turned down the music. Kid Man gid it because his
name is Kidman and he's a grown man. Though it
doesn't make any sense, bro, there's nothing about him that
says kid other than his name. Is pretty sure it's
his given name, so like it's even a stage name.
I don't think I can look it up, but pretty
sure it's not a stage name.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
His actual name with that beautiful Shooting Star Press.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Yes, that was very well. Oh that's not his given
name at all. His name is Peter Allen Gruener Jr.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Of course it is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Why was Billy Kidman his name?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Ww?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Why was he built from Allentown? He's from New Haven, Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Maybe he lived in Allentown at some point. Maybe he
just like it's like the names they gave to their referees,
they were so generic. Billy's Silverman, Like, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
He trained a Allentown with the Simon with the Wild Simons.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Mhmm. So Nick Patrick like, wow, Randy Anderson.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
That'supposed her stars. But uh yeah, there you go. That's
that's what That's what the whole thing is. He trained
in Allentown with the Wild Simons and that's why they
built him from Allentown. But he's born in New Haven, Connecticut. Apparently.
There you go. The more you know, uh, by the way,
Shooting Star Press Kidman uses it to win, and there

(01:05:31):
you go. Still your cruiseweight champion Peter Allen Gruner Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Well, uh I will so I have a w one
right now. Cody Roads just won the TNT title from
who Cody Rhods just won the TNT title from Brodie Lee.
That's weird he won it back? Why couldy roads? All right,

(01:05:58):
he's triple H man, he wants to triple H. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Wasn't he he the one using the sledgehammer to break
down the throne he's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
He's got all these like you know, entrances and whatnot.
He's the triple H a W man. I don't necessarily
mean that as a bad thing, Like I know people
will probably take it, but like that's what he.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Is, so it's not bad if he wasn't the guy
who's destroying the throne at his show last year. Yeah,
but you're the one with the pyro and all that,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I just all careers, like I've looked over and I
was like, wait, why is he got the title? Like,
I don't know, he's cutting a pommer right now with
RN Dustin and Brandy there. I can't crowds cheering for him.
I guess he's not turning heel yet. But I just
thought that was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
They got fans there, right, Yeah they do. Yeah, it's
Florida like back to normal pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
So oh my god, Miami Doffins are full. I don't
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Man, that's it's like sixty five thousand people. Oh my gosh,
what something like that. I'm pretty sure that's the case.
I think I saw that correctly. It's like sixty five
stacks yah in the stands.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Oh, Orange Cassidy is coming out now, Okay, anyway, that'd
be a good Halloween. Have a match come that next
to October twenty eighth, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Here we go. Dolphins have been given full clearance to
go full capacity of sixty five thousand fans. The team, though,
says the current plan of thirteen thousand Panther remains the same.
So Dolphins are like, we're not gonna do sixty five thousand.
We're just we'll do We're doing quick thirteen, but we're

(01:07:45):
not gonna go that far. Yeah. This wild stuff on
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
It really is. And you know, Philly is apparently gonna
let fans go as it'll be up to the the Eagles,
but it should be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Actually, I will say this is that totally to us.
It's up to the city actually, so I'll say that much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Well, the city can't force you to take in fans, right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
I don't know all the politics behind it, but but
it's not a this is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
All happened today too, by the word yesterday today where
I saw the stuff. So thinks things are getting crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah, it's not. I don't think it's solely up to
us though, but you know, outside of my uh pay
grade for sure. Next up on Halloween, haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Named what email? Jeff Lori Vaughn says, Oh, yeah, hear
what he said. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Next up here, though, we have the w c W
Tag Team Championships, Rick Steiner and Buff Bagwell challenging Scott
Steiner and the Giant. The Giant, by the way, changed
smoking his way to the ring. What the hell was
going on here? Why was he doing that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
He had been doing it for months. I think the
first time I saw him do it was like Great
American Bash in June. So this is this had been
his gimmick for a while. And I remember I was
online at the time and people were kind of pissed
because they were like, he's ripping off the Sandman's gimmick.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Oh stop it. He gets one cigarette in his mouth.
This is Sandman.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
This is the internet wrestling community that I was kind
of born into when I first got the internet. So
here I am, and I'm like, you know what, that's
a good point. He's got a cigarette, so does a Sandman.
That's not cool. So I was already like poisoned in
the mind at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
But nuance wasn't the thing at all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Like, no, not for twelve thirteen year olds, No.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Cigarette, Sandman, not like there's no and they'll stick, there's
no beer crowd apologies.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Or like, well he doesn't have a beer and he
does have a cane. He's not the Sandman. I was like, yeah,
but a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Cigarette and he's literally twice the size of this man.
That's not even a joke, okay, it just it was
just an outlook for a man of that size to
be smoking his tiny little cigarette. Look at a toothpick. Yeah,
and I get maybe Big Show. I'm sure Big Show
was an actual smoker at that Why was that part

(01:10:28):
of his gimmick in the ring? Yeah? I really is
that adds edge to him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I could not smoking a cig because I don't even
know if Eric Fishoff mentioned it before, why they started that,
or because maybe he maybe he said I was like, yeah,
he was a smoker. So it was just like, hey,
just smoke to the ring and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Add some match because the seven foot five hundred pound
guy needed more edge.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Well, he was kind of a joke in ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
That's w w's fault, absolutely, I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
But even looking back, I was like, he did literally
nothing of substance after you know, the feud went Nash
and the you know, he wound up rejoining the nWo
just because he ate in Nash and ever since then,
like everything was stupid towards the end of his WCW room.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Correct, I just I just found that weird. He's smoking
the cig on his way to the ring. I was
gonna say something else about that too that I can't
remember now about i'm smoking cigarettes on its way to
the ring. I probably come back to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
He should have like went to high FIV the fan
and then took the cigarette out and put it in
the fans.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Burned their hand.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, oh, I know what.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
I willn't talk about the fact that he was smoking
indoors and a public arena, sho Let you know, this
is a much different time than where we are in today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
She can't smoke nowhere inside no more.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Every true, And like I believe it was around when
I was eighteen the law changed or something like that,
eighteen nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
It's been a while since you could, right, and a
long time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
I remember going to pool halls and you know, there
were still smoking in there, and you know, some people
went outside, but like pool halls were completely filled with smoke,
and I was all off to, you know, go there
and hang out. And I didn't really start doing that,
so I was like, you know, eighteen nineteen twenty, so yeah, crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
There are very few places now where you get smoke
in like some random bars you can probably smoke indoors.
There are very few of them, though, for the most part,
you cannot smoke indoors at least. I don't know about
other states, but in Philly and Pennsylvania, I'm pretty sure
that's not that's not the window. But it made me
think about Also, remember when you could and you can
go to restaurants and it had like the smoking section.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Yeah, yep. I usually go to dinners all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
And yep, and my mom, I want to say, the
smoking section. We would always I was like good, but
that I was like, why would somebody want to smoke
near their food? That seems suspuss.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's I never understood it. Thankfully, my parents
didn't smoke growing up, and you know, obviously my sister,
my sister had tried it, you know, like who of
course people try it, and I don't like harbor any
ill will for that. But I never touched it either.
And I remember going to this one diner Woodbury, New Jersey,
Colonial diner shout out, and they still had a smoking

(01:13:13):
section and we would go in and we would always
say non smoking, non smoking, non smoking, so and the
smoking section was much, you know, smaller than the rest
of the diner. So yeah, I just don't understand why
anyone will want to like sit in smoking, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
It's yeah, like you could not smoke for that time,
You're only there for a half hour to an hour,
like come on. But now it's like it's not even,
it's not existent, Like people don't even I don't know anybody.
For one, I don't really know people that smoked cigarettes,
and my mom did to smoke anymore, and I don't
know anybody else that smokes cigarettes. So if I'm going
out somewhere, it's not an issue for people that I'm with,

(01:13:53):
But I don't know if it's any really an issue
for anybody. I mean people vape and stuff like that. Now.
I don't know if they allow apes like that in restaurants,
but and if if somebody guys smoke, they're probably they
will step outside obviously to smoke. Yeah, but yeah, I
don't know if people be like, ah, I can't not
smoke for this next hour, I don't know. It's just

(01:14:16):
it's just times have changed dramatically, and big show or
say giant I should say, walking down to the ring
with a cigarette in his mouth in a public venue
like the MGM Grand is just a sign of that.
That's one place though, I will say you can't smoke cigarettes.
It's casinos. Yeah, you can go and casinos smoke cigars.

(01:14:36):
I think they have a smoking section and casinos still,
but that's because they want people to be comfortable as
possible when there's when they're spending all the damn money exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
And it's been a while since I've been in a casino,
like ten years, so yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Was in a casino last year when I went to
the week.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
No A seeing like twenty twelve last I think for
like a man or something. So yeah, eight years because
we used to walk through the casinos and whatnot. Sometimes
I would stop and play a little bit, but I
didn't like losing my money. I was bad. I did
win sixty dollars this past weekend in sports betting. Thank

(01:15:19):
you to help, Like I'm junior.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
There you go, thank you OBJ. By the way, I
appreciate you more wais the wall appreciate you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
More than you know. But but yeah, I've hit up
the Tropicana a couple of times, and that's exactly the
trop Not a gambling man, but they have some different
restaurants in there to kind of get into yep. But yeah,
giant smoking a cigarette, weird buff back. We're also weird

(01:15:53):
if we're wearing jeans to the ring, when is damn
dungarees to the ring?

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
What the hell was he wearing here?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I don't even know. It was bad, didn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
All I know is is that Scott Steiner was awesome
in WSW, terrible in WW awesome in WW he was.
He was just cool. I don't know why. He just
felt like very of that time period. He didn't feel
like Hogan when he was like, oh he's a bygone
air like that. He just felt like, I don't know,

(01:16:26):
I feel like I've seen like goth like Scott Steiner
in movies something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
He was something man like. It was like a movie
villain of something because he was so into everything he
was doing it. He it didn't it never looked like
he was going through the motions or whatever that he
didn't believe what he was saying. Like, no matter what
he was saying, it might have been ridiculous as hell,
but like he was yelling at and he was making
you believe that he really thought whatever the hell he
was saying, Like, oh yeah, even as a heel, you know,

(01:16:53):
even as a face before he turned heel, he was
he was kind of like intense in a way quiet,
but then once he got his promo skills going as
a heel, like, no one who could top him in
WCW at least nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
No, No, he's incredible. Also, as jacked as he was,
he was still freakishly athletic. Yeah, and he could still
pull out the Frankensteiner, which is at his size amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
And like I said, he was just awesome. I don't know,
he's just but also got give him credit for the
drastic change he made too, from Varsity Club Scott Steiner
to big bad Booty Daddy Scott Steiner. Such a drastic
overnight overnight. But like such a drastic one eighty, you
don't see too much from guys I don't know ever,

(01:17:43):
Like I don't know how many guys have made such
a drastic one eighty like Scott Steiner did. And his
second I guess the second half you know, of the
one eighty was actually better than the first, like much better.
Nobody remembers or very few people who cared to remember
Scott Steiner as the member of the Varsity Club. Yes,
the Varsity Club and the Steiner Brothers as a tag team. Dope.

(01:18:07):
You know, we're not going to discount the Steiner Brothers
as a tag team or the Varsity Club as a faction.
But when you think of Scott Steiner, you think of Hollo.
If you hear me, you know, Scott stein as your
hook up. You don't think of him wearing a single
it as a member of the Steiner Brothers. So it's
a tag team. So shout out to Scott Steiner, who

(01:18:29):
was on the Chiron with at one time he was
on the news. That's just a restaurant owner. It's just hello, funny,
but this match, as predicted, Bagwell immediately turns on Rick
Steiner and then just runs away, like literally runs away.

(01:18:52):
What the hell? And w lost their way?

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Man keep saying it, I know there's many that many
of you out there that who maybe expected this, like what,
And then he talks about how the announcers met with
Bagwell in the back and said we thought there was
no way he could have fooled us on a personal level, like,
oh my god, like they're trying to explain it, so

(01:19:17):
like I do respect that, I love that, but this
was like the worst explanation ever. Like I hated it.
I hated it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
It was so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
So apparently Judy Bagwell had already made her debut by
this point. Yeah, like today, it was like, you think
Judy Bagwell is involved in this? To Tony and Bobby
go no, Like simultaneously they're.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Like, no, the lovely Judy Bagwell.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Like today Man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Mike. Speaking of Mike today, he said that the Giant
waited in that morning at five hundred and fifty two pounds.
I'm sure the smoking did not help probably weight, probably not.
But if that's true, if he actually did weigh in
at five fifty two. That had to be the heaviest

(01:20:12):
the giant had ever been, right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Yeah, I made a note of that. This definitely had
to be the heaviest he was in WCW. I know
he had had some bouts. He was in ww for
a lot. He's been in w W for twenty one years. Yeah,
you know, I don't know if he reached that point
eventually again, but definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I think they let him reach that point. I think
they sent him like the OVW and all that stuff
before he could get to five fifty two. I feel
like they they had him at five hundred when he
first came in and he was like, you know what,
you need to cut down a little bit. We don't
want to. We don't need another yoko Zuna situation on
our hands. We just keep getting bigger and bigger the
rested piece of yokozuna. But his weight was notoriously a problem,
and he was upwards of six hundred pounds at some points,

(01:20:53):
and WWF kept trying to get him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
WF made him get liposuction before he debuted with them.
I know that was maybe going on and on the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Maybe, I don't know. But I highly got WWF let
him to get to five point fifty two with it. Again,
If that's the case, it had to have been the
heaviest picture I had ever been. And nowadays you see him,
he's like, I don't he's not even four hundred pounds nowadays,
he's like three eighty, yeah, which is still massive for
any normal human being, but forlack for him, it's like

(01:21:23):
he's skinny.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Like yeah, And you know we saw that, especially at
the end of this where he's really struggling to get
to the top rope for that dropkick spot. He he
just he's not having it. You know, he's trying to
get his balance. And this isn't the giant of you know,
two or three years prior to this, where he was

(01:21:45):
like doing kip ups and everything, you know, jumping over
the top rope from the Apron stuff like that. This
was a guy that was struggling just to get to
the top rope to do a dropkick so well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
I mean, just the fact he can get up there
so amazing, and he still hit a missile drop kick
at five or fifty two.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Giant, the giant that we knew from w W didn't
struggle with stuff like that. So then when we saw
him struggle, it's like, yeah, yeah, his weight was definitely
out of control at that point, he.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Was still pretty damn athletic for giving his size. He
hits the missile drop kick, but he hit Scott Steiner
by accident. Rick stein takes advantage, hits the Giant with
the bulldog from the top rope, PINNs a Giant, wins
the match and is the new WSW Tag Team Champions
all by himself. So eventually we find out that he

(01:22:37):
picks Kenney Chaos to be a taxing partner because because
of course Kenny Chaos, and that didn't work out because
Rick Stander got hurt. But before that, Rick Steiner gets
his fifteen minutes with Scott Steiner as per the stipulation
of the match, and he's beating up Scott Steiner and

(01:22:58):
they're having a match. And then this is again another
example of w CW just having no clue what the
hell is they're doing. What the hell is going on here? Okay,
for some reason, somebody's dressed up as Bill Clinton just
walks to the ring, gets handed a slapjack. Stevie Ray

(01:23:24):
hands him a slapjack.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Doing in the away, like, just show him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Why did he have to hand him a slapjack? He
has a full pseudo and did couldn't have it in
his pocket, He wouldn't have got through security jail.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
He wanted to have got through security.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
What he wasn't through security he was buffed back. Well,
but wait before we get move on, we gotta talk
about retribution. Speaking of slapjack, because wwe might have babyfaced
distribution on Monday, but it made Mustafa Ali the leader
of the group, because who wants to root against mustaph Ali?

(01:24:03):
You've lost your way so much that you had your
pretty much the best babyface you could ever have. And
Mustafa Ali, who no one dislikes this guy. He seems
like the nicest, most just down to earth. He's a
former cop who wants police reform and all this different stuff.
Great guy, person of color. He's he's trying to shed
the stereotypes of of of people from you know, Middle

(01:24:25):
Eastern people and stuff like that, trying to shed those stereotypes.
Great stuff he's trying to do. And what is w
W F to w W make him a heel? What
he's perfect? He's perfect? No, it's make him a heel
then on top of But but the thing is, like
I said, no one's going to root against retribution. Also
because Retribution apparently they're fantastic on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
They're better on Twitter than on screen, which.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Is usually the case in w W. Right what they
write for people, they're terror but when they do their
own thing, it's like they're wildly entertaining. So that's just
that's just as the quickest side, you know, the retribution
angle is probably still gonna be trash, and probably it's
gonna probably wind up trash because it's WWE. They can
ruin things in the blink of an eye. And I

(01:25:16):
would still be stunned if it's a thing passive or
serious that I'm still standing on that point. But they
got something here where Mustafa a Lee least I guess
at least it's on TV, right, yeah, right, But even
as bad as the retribution thing can be, it's still
better than what we're talking about here Halloween having ninety eight,

(01:25:37):
because again Stevie Ray passes off a slapjack like it's
a shive in prison for some reason to a man
dressed up in a suit with a Bill Clinton mask.
Why why don't know? Then? He hits Rick Steiner with
the slapjack, I just wrote, this is weird. Then he
hits Charles Robinson the referee to bam, knocks him out,

(01:25:58):
takes off the mask. It turns out to be buff
back Well because why did it? Was it necessary? Was it?
Why are people just beating up referees randomly? Wasn't this
notice qualification match? Did he need to knock out the referee?
Then the bell just starts ringing? Who rings the bell?

(01:26:19):
Charles Robinson is unconscious? Did did the timekeeper to say?
You know what I'm taking I'm taking over here, get
just you're not clean this mess up? Nope, we're done
ding ding ding ding ding. No, I'm taking over.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
This is out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
This is outrageous. And he was right. If that's the case,
it was outrageous. What the hell is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
It gets even more weird, it does because bag Roll
takes Charles Robinson's limp body, makes him count one to
Rick Steiner kicks out and he face grimly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
He stops.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
He stopped right, He doesn't count anymore. It doesn't matter.
Bruf buff Bagwell. Then he gets him again, pulls him over.
Oh actually Scott's Sidner hits the Frankensteiner. He takes the
referee's hand again. One two, Rick kicks out. He stops

(01:27:14):
to count again. Why it doesn't even matter, the match
is already over. Then Rick fights off, Buff Bagwell hits
his brother with the bulldog. The referee comes to counts

(01:27:35):
to three and Rick Steiner. After all of that, Rick
Steiner is still won twice in one night. Rick Steiner
is the baddest man on the planet. He wanted tag
titles by himself, then he beat Scott and Buff Bagwell
by himself. Then the icing on this terrible cake. Here

(01:28:00):
we go int the segment. Yes, Bagwell's laying on the
side of the ring and he's yelling for Monica and
reference to Monica Lewinsky because of course he was Bill Clinton.
And somebody in ws W thought that was just, oh
my god, I thought that was just a gut buster.
I thought that was hysterical.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
I am absolutely surprised it wasn't Vince McMahon writing that line.
Maybe it was. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Try to make sense of this for me, Nick, can
you please.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
So, By the way, when Rick Syner pinned the giant
to whin the tig titles that the crowd was into it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
They love they were, But that's that's the saving grace
is that Rick Steiner was over with the yes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
And then they found crap. I don't exactly know why
we needed that match. Uh, you know, like you said
that it was already running over and he still got one, two, three,
four more matches after this one. You know, you can
just do all this in Rick Steiner versus Scott's sider
with the referees back turned. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
I don't know the tag title match.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
It was just that did me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
All the buff Bagwell stuff, it's just no, no, whoa
not at all. I will say Rix, like you said,
Rick Steinnel was super over. And if every time they
do the whole spot where like where Rick and Scott
they do the thing where he runs rick Steiner runs
around and he gets on his knees and scotts on
top of him, like yeah, like that, that pops me
every time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
It's still a great spot. It wasn't. I didn't pop
quite as hard when buff Bagwell did it. But I
was gonna say like even whenever they still whenever they
did it, it was still awesome. Like the Steiner Brothers
was a dope ass tag.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Yeah, they were. I was a big fan of them
in ninety seven. I love their WCW run, even their
ww F front in the early nineties, enjoyed it was
the first time I saw them, because I didn't see
them in WCW before they went to the WWF, so
I was always a kind of a Steiner guy. I
was really happy when they won the tag titles too.

(01:30:11):
From the Outsiders in like ninety seven. It was like,
I think the same night lod won the tag team
titles on Raw in like October ninety seven or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
So there you go. Moving on from the Steiners, we
go to the Outsiders, Hall and Nash, who were hating
each other, going against each other, and I thought to myself, like,
wait a minute, man, I understand that the nWo the
wolf Pack were like the babyface faction up between the two,
but like, why would I really feel bad for either

(01:30:44):
one of these guys, Like Kevin Nash is like all
my best friend men, I don't know where he's at
right now, And I was like, yeah, I get it,
he's supposed to be the baby face, but like you
two guys terrorized WCW for two years. Just it started
with y'all two and now i'ld to be like, man,
their bond, man is so broken. I'm like I pirroute

(01:31:05):
against both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Yeah yeah, because you know what frustrated me the most,
And this was months before this happened when Lex, Luger
and Sting joined the wolf Pack and it just literally
wiped out the two years prior, like none of that
mattered anymore. And nope, It's like then that's really when

(01:31:27):
WSW for me became annoying as hell, Like I still
watched it. I still like watch the pay per views
here and there, this being one of them, but Luger
joining it was like you've been fighting these guys so long,
Like why, Like you weren't just fighting Hogan though you
were fighting Kevin Nash, you're fighting Conan, like you're fighting

(01:31:50):
Randy Savage and Scott Hall. But what are you doing?
Like why all of a sudden you're like all right,
like I'll join you guys. Like was WCW not good enough?
Like it made like the WCW brand kind of lame
because it's like, Okay, we're watching WCW program but like

(01:32:11):
there's no one from WW to cheer for, Like you
had Goldberg and the GB and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
So and maybe some cruiserwates and that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Right exactly, And so I just hate from that point.
When Luger and Sting joined the Wolf Peck, I was
kind of like, just like this creative is yeah, that's
what I said, this creative. I was like, these angles
are lame, Like I'm not really digging it. Even when

(01:32:40):
the Hall turned on Nash, I was like, well I
saw that coming and whatever. But the one good part
about WW was like they tried to tell a story
and no matter how bad it was, they would string
it out. And Hall turned on Nash in May and
they didn't have a match until October, so at least
they were able to you know, I don't know if

(01:33:01):
that's a win or not, but whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
In the meantime, they made him out to be a
drunk on TV, yeah, which I mean, yeah, that was
kind of what he was in the life. But what
just makes me uncomfortable to see it on TV. I
don't know. Yeah, I understand you want to make art
imitate life, life imitate art, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Yeah, not not great. I remember watching that live it
was I believe it was the same nitro Ric Flair returned, which,
by the way, where the help was Ric Flair on
this pay per view, and you know it was for
Hall like pretended to throw up and everything like that,
and I was like, oh my god, like this is real.
It was like such a mark, you know, And I.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Guess that's that's just that's the desired reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
But it's just I'm sitting here thinking, like, Okay, I
understand the story. It's like we're supposed to think Kevin
Nash has been reaching out the Hall, trying to help him,
but Hall doesn't want to help. So Hall's the guy,
even though he's got the drinking problem, but Kevin Nash

(01:34:02):
wants to help. I don't think this match in this
angle helped Kevin Nash in the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Slightest because hey, my alcoholic credit. I'm gonna beat your
ass until you don't drink alcohol no more, right right,
beat the vodka out of you. I'm gonna make fun
of you while I do it to pretend I'm drinking.
You want another you want to double? Yeah, just beat
your ass until you stop drinking. Beat some sense into him,

(01:34:31):
which I mean maybe back in ninety eight that was fine,
and twenty twenty that would not be fine, Like people
would not have people would have issues, I should say,
with the fact that the alcoholics best friend is just
whooping his ass and quote unquote beating sense into him.

(01:34:51):
So that's what pretty much this match was when we
get here. I mean, but it starts off with Skyhalk
coming out with a cup presumably vodka is clear. I
don't know about you, but I ain't know. I don't
drink white liquors no more. I don't drink lighte liquors.
I drink nothing but dark liquors now, so bourbons, whiskies
and you know, stuff like that. That's what I'm drinking

(01:35:12):
brandy maybe with no vodka, no rum same, you know,
it's just I guess it just comes with age. I
don't know. I don't like vodka anymore. I can't do it.
But Skyhall comes out, he pretends to be drunk. He's
stumbling around the ring. Kevin Nash comes to the ring.
Everybody's loving him, comes out with the wolf Pack theme music.

(01:35:33):
That's pretty cool, but comes to the ring Skyhall pretending
to be drunk, and out of nowhere, Hall throws the
drink in his eyes and gnash his eyes, I should say,
and again presumably vodkas. I'm assuming it burns and Skyhall
pretends convinced in to beating on Kevin Nash. He pits
him with the microphone, he chokes him out with a cable. No,

(01:35:53):
not an extension cord. That was a cable, Nick, not
an extension cord. Then for some reason Kevinash is bleeding.
Then Scott Hall but rates him on a microphone while
Kevin Ash is being tended to by the trainers, and
then Kevin Ash is fighting back, and that's when things
get uncomfortable as far as Kevin Ash is just beating

(01:36:15):
the holy hell out of Scout Hall while making fun
of the fact that he has a drinking problem, not
like a a in storyline drinking problem, like a real
life drinking problem. And it maybe it's different because we
know in hindsight how bad it was for Scott Hall
and how he was at his worst. I mean we
literally saw it in like this did Jake the Snake

(01:36:36):
Robbers documentary. We saw it in the E sixty thing
they did on him back in like twenty fourteen, whatever
it was, and it was as bad as it can
get for Scout Hall. I mean, so we know that
it only got worse from here. But on this night,
he's getting beat up from being an alcoholic. Kevin Ash
beats him from one posted, another hits him with two

(01:36:57):
jackknife power bombs, and things get really weird because Kevin
Nash apparently proved this point and doesn't want to win. Nope,
he just walks out and gets counted out because he
beat up Scott Hall. You gotta do anything else except
maybe win the match.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
What the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
What's going on? I don't understand this at all, Nick, again,
please trying to make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
At this point. I'm trying. I'm trying. I guess you
know this was revenged from Summer Slam ninety four, all right,
or that might not be it. I don't understand, like

(01:37:53):
all of a sudden, he's got a point to prove,
like after all this time, like it was just about
beating the crap out of his best friend who you know,
even though he you know. I guess the story is
he tried to reach out the Hall Haul didn't want
him his help. The babyface reaction is not to just go, okay,
we'll screw you. I'm gonna beat your ass and then leave.

(01:38:13):
It's like try to do something else to get his attention,
to reach out the hall, you know, like be a
good friend. Very convoluted. This is the type of storyline
that you really kind of mess with people in real
life because back then I'm sitting here and I'm like
cheering ash On. I'm like, yeah, kick his ass. He

(01:38:34):
doesn't want your help. Screw him. That's a bad way
to think, you know, like no that those are the
people that need you the most. So you gotta go.
You gotta change your message somehow to try and get
through to them. You gotta get help somehow. You don't
just beat the crap out of your friend and then leave.
Give him shops after two jack knipes and they leave,

(01:38:55):
Like come on, I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Can see if like they have the match because like
they're upset at each other, so they have the match
because it's wrestling. They got to fight each other at
some point. But during the course of the match, maybe
Kevin Nash is feeling sympathy for his friend because it's
still friends, and maybe he beats him, but he's still
like very sympathetic towards him, Like he doesn't necessarily want

(01:39:19):
to beat him up too bad. He doesn't want to
hurt him. He does have the match, but you know,
they have it and they go through it and he's like, oh, man,
you know, like I feel bad, and maybe he tries
to get Scott Steiner up and Scott Hall I should
say up and try to you know, be friends with
him again. Maybe you could either bring them back together
and say, and Scott Hall learns from the error of

(01:39:39):
his ways and goes on the path to recovery at
least some storyline, or you can have Scott Hall be
an even bigger heel than he was before by turning
on Kevin Nash again. Kevin Ash goes, oh, I'm sorry, man,
I didn't want to do it, and he like low
blows him or smacks him or whatever like, and he
can keep it going that way. But the last thing
you should do, it's make Kevin Nash mock them for

(01:40:01):
drinking like that just seems like again, this is hindsight.
This is twenty twenty literally the year twenty twenty and
twenty twenty vision hindsight. So we can say it's easy
to say this now and back then. Times are different, obviously,
you know, even though alcoholism was a very real thing
that a lot of people dealt with back then. I
just I guess the people, the white people viewed it,

(01:40:23):
and I guess it's mental health and just addiction overall.
All those things kind of go together, so you know,
they're kind of tied together, but people view them both
very differently today than they did back then. Yep, And
where you blame the victim in this particular instance. And yet,
like I said, like people, they have to go through things,

(01:40:43):
and you have their friends go through stuff, and you
might get frustrated with them because damn it, why can't
you just not do this stuff right? But to do
what Kevin Nash is doing on this night is not
the wave, and it wasn't the wave back then, it's
not the wave today. So yeah, this was weird. And
then the finish doesn't beat him, Yeah, just gets counted
out and sky Hall just dusts himself off and leaves.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
And just over two months from now they're gonna be
reunited anyway, So I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Yeah, because of course, yeah, yeah, I mean beats Goldberg.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Of course, maybe at this point they don't know if
that's the end game, I don't know, but you would
think they do because WCW seemed to plan stuff out
well in advance, and for I liked kind of like
your idea where Nash is more sympathetic and then Hall
turns on him again. They have like another match at
starcade ers. Well, the Kevin Nash goes on to Goldberg,

(01:41:37):
but the story would have been better between Nash and Hall,
and all of a sudden, boom boom, he hot shot
Kevin Nash and Goldberg. Kevin Nash beats Goldberg streak and
everything from there, everything's already like collapsing at this point.
But it's gonna crumble by that point. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Yeah, they're already taking in water and then they start
of sinking for real after starkad So uh but yeah,
that's that mess. What do we transition to more nitro
girls because we don't have the don't talk, but we

(01:42:18):
don't have to worry about, you know, getting off the
air in time. Just just throw them out there again.
I want did they know they were up against it?
Like they couldn't have known. I guess they had to
have known it up against the time they had to
write they got clocks right, it's a casino. Maybe they
forgot they were on West Coast time, or it's not
like Mountain time. I don't know what Las Vegas is,

(01:42:40):
but it's like it's mountain time, so I think it's
mountain time. Either way. Maybe it's specific time. I don't know,
but either way, it's not like we hadn't seen them
Nitrol Girls already three times. We have, so it's okay
if you just take out one of their performances, I
think they'll be all right. You know. There they got
three routines in so like I don't know. But we

(01:43:02):
move on to the w CW United States Championship between
two legends, Brett Hart defending against Sting, and it's like,
how many times have we seen this match in history?

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
I count on one hand we actually saw it six
days prior to this. Oh it was a ntro match
six days prior.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
To this, the WCW BRO ninety seven, y'all had it
going on in ninety eight. Nothing. This is oh my god,
this was not a good match between two icons of
the business, two guys who have had classic matches. Sting
was the man in ninety seven. He's arguably be the

(01:43:46):
top wrestler in wrestling in nineteen ninety seven, without without
having like one match like the oh year right, Brett
Hart was in that top five stratus sphere in Next
ninety seven, and here they are a year late, Next
ninety eight, and it just in this random US title
match where again it got staying in the Red and

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black Face Pain because he's in the nWo less than
a year after systematically destroying the nWo. He's in it
an offshoot, but he's in it, and he's got the
Red and black Face pain with the goate. It's just,
what the hell? What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
It just fan with a sign in the crowd say
the Scorpion, come on s c O R I P
I A N that baby worry the hip.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Versus Then you got Scorpion Scrippion Scrippion. Then you got
Brett Hart, who again got screwed over the end of
Next ninety seven. What is wsw do eventually make him
a heal put him in a nWo? What the hell?
Why the only the best? Didn't you get the whole match? Won?

(01:45:01):
I put the show is boring, not necessarily specifically this
matches to show it just lacked juice. It just wasn't
the energy from ninety seven, and it obviously didn't carry
over to ninety eight. It's a year apart, but still
like it's just it's like the energy in the buzz around.
It was just different for the whole show, not just Goldberg,
who had the juice. He had, but the problem was

(01:45:24):
he had all the juice and no one else had
any other juice. And that's including Brett Harten's Sting. Uh.
They had some stuff. They did some stuff. Obviously, the
ref gets knocked down and he's just laying in the
ring and they don't He doesn't move, so they're just
hopping over him while they're trying to wrestle his match,

(01:45:44):
as if it's like a dead body in the ring.
Then they superplex each other onto his ankles. Yeah, brother,
you got to move.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Somewhere side. But even if you're the wrestlers lot, you
gotta like be like, okay, we gotta move you if
you're not gonna do like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
They just decided to hop over him really first.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Stinging Brett hart To just let yeah that they they
have some blame here too.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
It's just so super weird. Eventually Sting has this thing
of splash, but he overshoots it hits his face in
the ring post, Brett Harp beats the hell out of
him with the baseball bat, puts him in a sharp
shooter wins. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
I don't there you go. I really think that the
whole Scorpion deathlock versus STARp shooters should have been like
more of a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
You know, they didn't really to Sting maybe put in
the scorpion deathlock.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Did he? I don't think so. But even when he
did it the hogan at Starcade, you know, he pointed
at Brett Hart when he was out there, and they
didn't really I don't know. I always thought they would
do something with that. They never did, and it just
still annoys me. It's like it's the same move. Let's
go like Battle of the Sharpshire versus Scorpion deathlock.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
You know, scrippy and deathlock.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Man. I don't know. I thought that was something in
nineteen ninety eight I would have wanted to see, because
you know, Sting was popular, Brett Hart was Brett Hart.
I don't really know if he was technically popular WCW
because his whole run there was trash but no offense.
Like he's one of my favorites ever, but.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
I think he would agree with you on that. I
don't think he would.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
He would he was, But I I I kind of
mad that I laughed at this. But Bobby heenan d
hear what he said when Brett Hart revived the referee.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
I didn't what did he say?

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
The referee was looking dazed and confused. Tony Sarmanni said, so,
Bobby Heena said, it looks like he's been hanging with
Scott Hall for a week.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Wow. He was also making some jokes about Scott Hall
during the sky Hall match. He said, Oh, that's a
sobering outcome one Bobby killing me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
You are making me go to hell because I'm laughing.
That's terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
But this match, it was just a missed opportunity given
all the talent involved, and then w they had to
overbook it. They had to bring that the referee gets
knocked down. How many rough bumps did we see on
this show? God? I lost like we saw like four
or five of them. And then the baseball bat thing.
It's just like this thing gets stretched out that took

(01:48:30):
like ten minutes by itself. It's like they showed him
get put all the way into the ambulance. It's like
we didn't have to see all, Like, no, wonder, y'all
ran over.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
I really don't understand. I wonder if they didn't just
do that because that was his last match. He didn't
come that was That was Thing's last match in the
Run a Black. He didn't come back until April ninety
nine after this, So man, yeah, that was you know,
he had way too many is in the red and black.
He looked terrible. And what's funny is I did make

(01:49:03):
a note of this before he joined the wolf Pack.
You know, he was still wearing the white and black
or whatever, and I'm sitting here and I'm like, you know,
I'm between the two nwos, I don't care about WCW
like whatever, and I'm like, yes, Stang joined the wolf Pack,
like you will look bad ass in red and black.
And then it happened. And then I was like, oh no, no, no, no,

(01:49:25):
I was wrong. It looks terrible. He looks absolutely terrible.
Stop this. And then he came when it came back
in April ninety nine, he had to. He was back
on the white and black, and I was like, oh,
thank god, they it's man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
They just like I said. I hate to repeat myself,
but they lost their way in so many ways, uh,
in ninety eight, it's ridiculous, including the next match here
here we are Hulk Hogan versus The Warrior with Ultimate
in parentheses. Where do we begin with this match number one?

(01:50:06):
At the end, we could, but the fans did not
care for this match at all. There was no heat
in the building at all, And I wonder why. Maybe
it's because it's a match that happened eight years ago
to another company, when both of these guys, when they're

(01:50:28):
just like popularity and physical peaks and their style of
wrestling had pretty much died out by ninety eight. But
here we are ninety ninety eight, and they're obviously older,
way more tanned, and they're in the ring doing the

(01:50:48):
test of the feet of strength or whatever, the test
of strength for like ten minutes, and you wonder why
the people tuned out. People were just like, Okay, so
the Hull Colagan is pretty strong, huh okay.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Warrior was thirty eight here, and he didn't even look
in good shape. He like, his body's obviously better than mine,
but he's.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
He looked ordered than thirty eight though, yeah yes, yeah,
like back like Hogan was like forty five. Yeah, yeah,
I think like AJ styles like early forties. Right now
he looks no order like thirty three, thirty four, right,
forty five today looks much different than forty five in
nineteen ninty eight, especially for Hawk Hogan. He looked like
an old man. He wasn't even fifty yet. Though, I

(01:51:32):
don't think something like that nice day. I'm I can
look it up real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
He turned forty five and ninety seven, because I remember
reading like a newspaper article about road Wild ninety seven
or something like that, and it was like, Hogan turns
forty five, like a week of he.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
Turned forty five and ninety eight, he turned He's born
in August nineteen fifty three.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Fifty three, So okay, well that's weird. Maybe that's fake.
I don't know. I just remember, Yeah, his birthdays are
at the same time as my mom's, so around Worldwild
ninety seven was his birthday. So yeah, he was in
the mid forties here and looked great.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
He looked he was in great shape, but he couldn't
move around like that. Like again, like yeah, he just
wasn't the same. And the people weren't trying to watch
the match. They had nineteen ninety, the juices wasn't there
because people got to remember that match was massive. And
I'd explained to my girlfriend because she was watching it
with me at least this particular match. She had joined

(01:52:35):
me after she got off of work, and I had
explained to her, like, yeah, this match is a rematch,
and Shavanni said it is like the biggest rematch in
wrestling history. And he's partially right because the first one
was an epic encounter. It was the first time two
babyfaces when at it in the main event of WrestleMania,
and they was split the audience down the middle. They

(01:52:55):
were a bunch of Hull comaniacs. They were a bunch
of warriors and they they were you know, deep like
they they were passionate about their guy. Of course, the
third man, Brian Eisley's you know, said many times if
you went to the wrong side of the schoolyard you
could get beat up. If you were a Hogan hawkomaniac
and you went to the to the warriors side of

(01:53:16):
the schoolyard, that could be that could ruin your day
and vice versa. So it was that serious, and it
was WrestleMania. It's in the stadium sixty seventy thousand people
in Toronto. It's WrestleMania six. I mean, it doesn't get
much bigger than THATWF was still rolling hot in nineteen ninety.
Here we are in nexte ninety eight when the MGM

(01:53:36):
grand a smaller venue. But it's Halloween havoc. It's not
even starcade. Uh and these guys are eight years older
and no one does.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
No one cared.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
The angle leading in was bad, with the whole Warriors
suddenly supernatural, you know, scaring Hogan and mirrors and stuff
like that. It's just it was just like it was trash.
It was just true. And the match that ensued was
also trash. I mean that's pretty much it. They were

(01:54:07):
doing crisscrosses at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
What the hell they were trying to get a lot
of shit from their previous match.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
That no one cared for. It's not like they didn't
even try to really do the nostalgia thing. I could
see maybe people could have bought it if it was
red and yellow Hogan versus like old school Warrior. It
just wasn't. It was black and white nw O Hollywood
Hulk Hogan against the Warrior, Like who didn't have quite
the same energy and the same juice he had in

(01:54:39):
nineteen ninety when he would run to the ring and
he was just a ball of fire. And look, say
it was about warrior person, the person. You know, he
wasn't the greatest person in the world, but as a
talent he was super over. Was he great physically talented?
Like is he great in the ring? No, but he
was super over. And then because he had a lot
of energy, had a great look, he just kept he

(01:55:01):
just never stopped. It seemed like and in this match,
this was slow, this was prodding. They just didn't have
any energy to it. Just no one was feeling this
at all. Man And we had another ref bump of course,
when Hogan knocks him Reugh down and then just kneeds
him and head.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Brett Hart did the same thing, by the way, uh
staying that moment in the Brett Hart's Thing match when
stings on the apron and he thinks it's Brett Hart
and he elbows him and but it's the referee and
he knocks him out. Brett Hard comes around and just
drops a leg drop on the ref knock him out further.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
It's like, what what that's two matches in a row,
the referee the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
You know, we're saying they get knocked down and then
the heel goes and knocks him down again or further
punishment or something.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Like that, even further into unconsciousness.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Yeah, right, like I just I don't I don't know, man,
it was really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
It's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
And then the Giant coming out, and then Stevie Ray
coming out and Benson coming out, and then they just leave.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
That's my girlfriends like she's like, where did they go?
I was like they got a punch from Word and
it's like, we forget this, We didn't messing with him.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
There was a camera angle like a little like seconds
after that that you see the entrance way and you
can see Stevie, Raddy and Vincent just leaving.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
Like Stephen Ray is looking like why did he just
punch me in my head? And then leaves.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
I thought the match was over, man, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
What the hell? Even before that, though, Hogan takes off
his weight belt and is hitting Warrior with it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Yeah, really bad, like it like it that looks like
it hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
But almost any normal circumstances, that's the qualification.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
True.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
But Shavanni has always trying to plug holes in these inconsistency.
Bless his heart, Tony Shavanni is always shrying. He says, well,
you know, it's because if it's if it's part of
his wrestling attire, it's not considered a foreign object and
it's to been debated in boarder rooms for years. What

(01:57:13):
the hell? So it's not illegal because of that? And
it's like, it's not. If it's not a weapon, they
wouldn't use it, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Like what.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
If a gun wasn't potentially fatal, if it didn't cause harm,
no one would use guns, Like like what, what's what? Yeah, yeah,
so that was a thing. Then we get to the
fireball spot. Yes, oh yeah, we'll get to the fireballs.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Now. I saw this before the paper view went off too,
and I was like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
So I had to order. I had nWo comes down,
they gonna beat up by Ward and leave. Then Hogan
uses the weight belt. Then we get the fireball spot. Now,
usually the fireball spot comes out of nowhere and it's
very sudden, boom, you see it, and it's done with
the exception of what was that undertaker and when they

(01:58:18):
failed at doing it very suddenly, but they still had
to do it. So undertaker just held it out and
it was like here it is. But that was a mistake.
But at least he executed the fireball spot after he
like gave away the illusion, which as you saw, was
like some paper that's like soaked and gasoline something like that.

(01:58:41):
I don't know, and it's a lighter you take to it,
boom and it's a fire that shoots out. I guess
WSW they wanted everybody to know that Hogan was about
to cheat. It's a own explanation I have. Because Hogan
drops down and pulls the tools out of his tights
for the fireball. All the tools get get the zip

(01:59:02):
lock bag, he's got the paper, he's got the lighter.
He's ready to do this, and I guess again, they
ran right up to him and shoot it. So there's
no mistaking what Hogan is about to do. Okay, everybody
in the world can see this unless the paper. If
you cut out, then you didn't see anything. He's trying
to get this fireball to work. I don't know what happened,

(01:59:26):
Maybe because he's dripping sweat, because you see the sweat
from his forehead dripping down on the mat and he's
soaking this mat and it doesn't work at all. The
fireball shoots up and it's just like and it just
dies immediately goes nowhere in your ultimate warrior's face, words goes, hunt,
what okay, I guess I gotta punch you somewhere and

(01:59:49):
that's it. Yeah, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
No more.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
Bobby Heenan and Shavanni and today trying to in patched
up the holes here, trying to make it, trying to
make it look as nice as possible, trying to put
a silk head on the pig. Hen goes, he was going.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
To burn that man.

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
And somebody. It could have been tragic, like there's a
strategy waiting waiting to happen. Bruh, y'all try it. I
appreciate your effort, but just no, no, no, then it
gets worse.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
He's just right.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
Did somebody's bleeding?

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
Did that make him bleed or was it something before that?
I don't I don't know, man, he was he was
laying on the mat and like, yeah, blood all over
his face, and I'm like, no, I didn't see that
before the fire spot. I just want to listen. I
just wasn't watching closely, but.

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
I don't know, but eventually Hulk Hogan just says screw
it and it's low blow was ultimate warrior right in
front of the referee. What does the referee do? Nothing?
What this is notice qualification?

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
By the way, the pay per view for me was
out by this point, so I didn't see any of
this on that night. So maybe it was a blessing
because I was. I remember being pissed and wanting to
see it, and then I actually saw it and I
was like, maybe I should never have wanted that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
Man. He low blows him. Then Horace Hogan comes down.
Of course, that's Hawk Hogan's supposed nephew to his not
just his brother, but his dead brother. They emphasized that
a lot. Yeah, jumps in the ring with a chair.
Bischoff is there too. He just grabs the referee and

(02:01:54):
puts him in a headlock for like ten minutes. Gosh
gave him a noogie and everything I saw it, I
sinked it, which is again that doesn't warrant the qualification.
What the hell is that he just grabbed a referee
and put him in a headlock. Then he I don't
get that what happened just talking to him?

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
Yeah, right, Hey, what are you doing this weekend? Oh?
What are you doing next weekend? Do you hit the
craps like that type of stuff?

Speaker 1 (02:02:26):
Come on, all right, did you hit the casino up?
Did you get some drinks? Let's get some drinks after
the show? No?

Speaker 2 (02:02:32):
Instead, I just wanted to see what you were doing
after the show. All right.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
Bischoff comes down and goes hai Yah and grips him
up and headlocks him. I was like, what, And then
horace Hogan because everybody thought then, they said after the match,
I could have swore horrors gonna hit Hogan with the chair?

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Fooled me.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
He hits Ultimately, he hits Warrior with the chair. And
as soon as that happens, Bischoff just suddenly let's the
referee go and puts his hands up like what what?
I didn't do anything, bruh. You just had him in
the headlock for like five minutes. You can't put your
hands up now and be like I didn't do anything? What?
And the referee just goes, oh, ok, stay over there
all right, oh Penn one, two, three, Okay, I did

(02:03:16):
my job. What?

Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:03:24):
Then it gets worse somehow, It gets worse because Hogan
is so he hates the Warriors so much he instructs
Horse Hogan and get lighter fluid, and he gets a
light of fluid and soaks Ultimate Warrior with a light
of fluid in an attempt to set this man literally

(02:03:45):
on fire. Like this fireball didn't work, well, guess what
to get the fireball. We're gonna set him on fire
for real. We're gonna set his whole body on fire.
And the referee stopped it, thankfully because Hulk Hogan and
Horse Hogan would have committed in front of thousands of people.

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
Doug Dilig was like, hell, no, right.

Speaker 1 (02:04:05):
That's what it was. Doug Dilogen, Yeah, it's like what
And Bishop is like, hey, you work for me, Like,
I'm not letting you set this man on fire. Bro,
you work for me.

Speaker 2 (02:04:15):
Let us set him on fire.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
Come on, man, bro, Like in reality, for one, you're
committing murder. Two lawsuit the company shut down. That's it.
Ultimate Warrior's wife or whoever at that who she was
at that point about their own ws W. So this

(02:04:38):
just doesn't make any sense. It's stupid. I said that
manium fire in the ring. Unless you're canning Undertaker, no
one wants to see somebody get set on fire, right,
because WW for sure did an inferno match like a
month before this, right.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
Yeah they did? Uh was there? I think it was
in uh well, a few months before this, it was, right,
it was WrestleMania, I think right Undertaker and Kane.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
It was unforgiven or something like that. It wasn't a
timber at that point that April.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
Yeah, that year was the first unforgiven. So yeah, it
was like right after WrestleMania, so so it was like
a few months before. But still like, yeah, this isn't
a nWo gimmick. It's no again, nobody a w not
even a sting gimmick, Like what is going on here?

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
We'll give Undertaker and Kane some leeway since they already
shoot lightning out of their hands and stuff like that. Well,
we'll let them. We'll give them bust. The story was
told expertly, well, so people cared and we knew that
the whole body wasn't gonna set on fire. It's like
a limb and then they get put out immediately, So

(02:05:45):
try to set this whole man's.

Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
Body on You know what is funny when that inferno match,
I expected, like the whole body to go up in flames.
So when it was just Kane's arm, I was like, Wow,
that's lame.

Speaker 1 (02:05:57):
See somebody burn up. Yeah, I want to see lash
melted from this man's bones. That's what I wanted to see.

Speaker 2 (02:06:05):
Nineteen ninety eight, Nick, he's quitty hoot.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
Oh yeah he was. I want to see whole body
set on fire.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
Baby, let's do it, I said, not here, though, not here,
I did not want to see. Though. I don't even
know they did that because I don't even think they
showed that on the night tro They might have shown
like the ending of the main event, but they definitely
show Goldberg DDP. But I don't even remember seeing that

(02:06:33):
until it was on like the network and whatnot. So
it's like I was like, wait, this actually happened, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
What, it's so bad we can't air it's so graphic.
Set a man on fire. I'm pretty sure the TV
stations is like, that's not that part of it because
that's kind of wild. They try to set him in
on fire twice, by the way, that was the second
time y'all did it, the most blatant time y'all did it.
But the first time he had to set his face
on fire with a fireball.

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
Yeah, and that wasn't the most surprising part of this
match for me. Do you want to know what the
most surprising part of this match for me was? What
was that there was no Michael Buffer introductions.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
Look, that's for the better. Michael Buffer is above this,
this trash. He's above this. He's you're not You're not
paying for Michael Buffer. Just waste him. You're not paying
all that money. Even Michael buffers like, no, I'm not
doing that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
You don't, Eve don't think he had some steak in
Hogan Warrior, like, oh man.

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
That's rats ass. He wanted to get paid. But it's
just like man, fans got screwed out of screwed the
biggest at the end of the day because this is
the mass they saw instead of the next match, which
got cut off on a lot of pay per view

(02:08:00):
systems for the World Heavyweight Championship, Goldberg coming in with
a record of one hundred and fifty four and oh
absurd going against DDP Diamond Dallas Page with Michael Buffer
of course during the ring announcing because WSW it's the
main event. It wouldn't be right if Michael Buffer wasn't there,

(02:08:21):
Like he has to be there, and it Las Vegas too,
He's got to be there. Yeah, but people missed out
on this match, and it was fantastic from the start.
You had Goldberg's entrance, which was probably the one of
the dopest and entrances in wrestling history, Like this particular

(02:08:43):
one was just perfect, and him walking out with the security,
I don't know how many times he banged his head
on the door. That's not good, walking through with the cops,
and I don't understand the point of the cops. Still
don't understanding the point of the cops. I don't think
they even do the cops and wa today. I think
they just show him walking to the ring. But it

(02:09:07):
just added something that wasn't you didn't typically see, right,
and that's I think that was the whole point of that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:13):
And I remember hating it because it was so awesome
and w W W WCW was doing something that was
awesome and I was like, damn it, it was. It
was dope. Yeah, definitely the best Goldberg entrance I've ever seen.
I tweeted earlier today and someone had replied to my
tweet about doing the havoc ninety eighty dive. And it's
funny because that tweet response to me just said one

(02:09:37):
of Goldberg's best entrances ever, like to the point I
was like, oh my god, I said I said that
in my notice. I was like, this was in my
like my favorite Colberg entrance ever. WCW www whatever, Like
this is my favorite Goldberg entrance.

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
If you go look at one of Goldberg's epic entrances,
it has to be this one. This is it. Yeah,
it was. It was great. Then he walks through the tunnel.
You can see like him walking up to the Halloween
Havoc tunnel with the arena in the distance, and you
see him walking through the darkness. Then he emerges around
the pumpkin and then you hear all the noise, see
all the lights, and then the pyro goes off and

(02:10:14):
it's just crazy pyro. Then the smoke boom boom boom,
and then the fireworks ba ba bam, and then the
cops come back out. He walks through. It was dope.
It was like, man, that's that's a chance, right there, boy,
and then proceeded to probably have his best match of
his career. Yeah, like, even to this day, probably Goldberg's
best match, him and Goldberg because him and DDP, I

(02:10:36):
should say, because DDP wasn't really like a super heavyweight
like Goldberg was, but he had that finishing move, he
had the diamond cutter, and like we said last week,
the diamond cutter before the speed of the jackhammer, diamond
cutter was he moving wrestling and wis W, to their credit,
still kept that move very strong through ninety eight and

(02:10:56):
he just was always like one step ahead of Goldberg
in a lot of different ways. And I thought the
story they told worked out very well and the people
were into this. That's the most important part to me.
The fans were in. They were invested in the outcome
of the match, unlike the Hogan Warrior stuff, which yeah
they were bigger names maybe, but you see what people

(02:11:18):
were into. They were into the newer stars. I think
this was evidence by it. The evidence was in. You
just listen to the crowd and see it. In Vegas,
they didn't care about Hogan were hell, they barely cared
about National Hall, but they cared about these newer guys.
And DDP wasn't necessarily a young guy, but it was
a newer guy, right, DDP and Goldberg fresh faces over characters,

(02:11:43):
and they told a great story in the ring. People
were hella into it. When Ddpa'd Diamond Cutter, the place erupted.
Hell when Goldberg had the spear, the first spear, the
place erupted like it was it was dope, Like it
was great.

Speaker 2 (02:11:56):
Yeah you said it. One of my favorite Coloberg matches ever,
and if not his best match, definitely up there. The entrance, everything,
even ddp's entries, was pretty cool. You know, he runs
all around. You know, this was his first real pay
per view main event for the title. You know, he
made event of pay per views with Randy Savage in
ninety seven, but up to this point, you know, in

(02:12:18):
ninety eight, he wasn't really he was kind of like,
I don't want to say lost his way, but like
he did the thing with Karl Malone Bash of the
Beach ninety seven or August ninety eight with Jay Leno
at Rode Wilde. You know, like he that's what he
was involved in. This was his like first big title
match pay per view main event again against Goldberg too,

(02:12:40):
a guy that was not known for his end ringing,
you know, prowess or ability. So it's probably a tough
test for someone like DDP to be like, hey, like,
let's go out there, do this, do that, whatever, And
it turned out to be one of the best matches,
maybe not the best match of ddp's career, but I
think he deserves a ton of credit for this one,
and definitely among the best in his career. Definitely Goldberg's

(02:13:03):
best match. I thought it was awesome. I did not
appreciate this back in nineteen ninety eight. I did not
appreciate it. When they showed it on Nitro, I was
kind of laughing. I was like, Wow, what a bunch
of losers, like, you know, because I was still in
that WF mark stage where you know, I picked a
side and that's what I did. But I just did

(02:13:24):
not appreciate it back then, and I appreciate it now.

Speaker 1 (02:13:30):
Yeah, you can't help I appreciate it now. When Goldberg
hits a spear, they still protected it by him or
his armisser, so he can't cover right away, right.

Speaker 2 (02:13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:13:37):
He never even went for a cover. He tried to
go for the jackcamer Yeah, and then didn't hit the
jackcammer because DDP reversed it hit the diamond cutter boom
but they protected the Diamond Cutter by him not covering
right away, but he eventually does go for the cover,
Goldberg kicks out, and then eventually DDP tried his suplex
Goldberg reverses into the jackcamer one two three, it's over.

(02:13:59):
So again, it's just simple and it all works when
you got people involved that are over the people that
they're into it. They're into the characters, into the wrestlers,
and you could tell a simple story. Goldberg, like you said,
this is in the mat technician. He's not gonna go
out there and have the proverbial five star classics, but
you can still have a great match with him and

(02:14:21):
DDP with just simple simplicity. This wasn't that hard, This
wasn't super nuanced and all this and that. I mean, yeah,
there's nuances in the fact that they didn't they protected
their finishers. You know, I don't know if the layman
would probably recognize that, but people like us, who you know,
we listened to all the wrestlers tell us and the
little things that we've been learned over the years, we

(02:14:43):
recognize that. But it's just it's very simple and it's
well done, and they didn't have to overbook it, no
ref bumps, no interference, and guess what, the people were
hooting and hollering, and they loved it. It was a
great way to end the show, at least in the building.
I appreciated that the people at a home, we're on
the phone. I'm sure with the cable companies by this point,

(02:15:05):
it's still on a whole, ready to cut somebody out.
When they finally got to somebody, you know what, goddamn
I missed my goddamn finish, blah blah blah blah like
ham and I don't blame you until your mom was
upset and he cut out.

Speaker 2 (02:15:19):
I was also so confused because I didn't know there
were like different cable companies throughout the world and throughout
the US, so I thought, like nobody saw it. But
then you know, they came back and they said some
people didn't see it, and like others did, and I
was so confused. I'm like, wait a second, you mean
other people, other cable providers didn't cut the pay per

(02:15:40):
view out. What the hell I want there? I want
whatever they are, But they were, you know, scattered throughout.
I'm sure the Northeast was about to become a monopoly
at that point. I don't even remember my cable provider
at that point, might have been like Suburban Cable or
something like that. I don't think we were on Comcast yet.
I don't even think it was available yet. But yeah,

(02:16:02):
I just remember being confused that some people saw the
whole pay per view and other people didn't, and I
was one of the people that didn't get to see it.
So I was pissed.

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
Good. Like we talked about on the Lex Lugar episode,
when they had, you know, the different cable systems back
in the day, there's a bunch of them back in
the day, Yeah, where now there's only like three or four.

Speaker 2 (02:16:25):
There aren't that many now.

Speaker 1 (02:16:26):
There's conglomerates now. So in the nineties, like I said,
you had a bunch of them, you had a couple
in Philly, where now it's like you either got Comcasts,
you had Exfinity, or you have Arizon and that's pretty
much it.

Speaker 2 (02:16:37):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:16:38):
Well, back in the day, you had like four or
five or six or seven, and like there's a bunch,
Like you said, you had Suburban Cable, I had Pop
Vision or whatever it was. Regardless, you know, the feed
cut out and some people saw it and a lot
of people didn't so, but that is Halloween Havoc nineteen
ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (02:17:00):
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(02:17:21):
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Speaker 1 (02:17:26):
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