REWIND: WWF In Your House: Badd Blood '97 Deep Dive

WWF IN YOUR HOUSE: BADD BLOOD REWIND!This week, the guys dive deep into the show that featured the very first Hell in a Cell match: WWF Badd Blood: In Your House. Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker gave us a match to remember, which none of the other matches on this show can say.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Are you ready to go back in time to October fifth,
nineteen ninety seven?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Were ready?

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Pride? Confidence, extraordinary talent. They're the signature of a superstar performer,
ad arrogance, conceit self, adulation to the equation, and you've
defined the very essence of Sean Michael.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
But nobody tells me what to do. For two months.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
The self proclaimed Master Antagonist has launched a calculated and
past war of destruction on the phenom of the World
Wrestling Federation.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
The sound effects taste once, taste it God yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
And like hyenas rabbid from the cent of a fresh kill,
this pack of allies.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Have been to join the slaughter so dramatic.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
We saw how we kicked the dead man's.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Out, Oh my God.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Within the unforgiving confines of a specially constructed steel cell,
the cock sure tourvenuer will become the tormental.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Cocksure in the eyes of a parcelss rep help bent
on revenge.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
There'll be no helms, no China, no insurance policy.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
To save his soul.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Tonight there's thought, no way out, no one to stop
the cock.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Waitstation Presents, do you tell me you have bad blood?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
PlayStation PlayStation.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
What a what a sponsor.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's been a while since we talked about the sponsors,
but we'll get to that in a second. Either way,
we're talking about WWF Bad Blood in Your House, which
took place in October fifth, nineteen ninety seven. The show
emanated from the Keell Center in Saint Louis, Missouri. The
building is now known as the Enterprise Center and it
is the home of the Saint Lewis Blues of the

(02:18):
National Hockey League. So there's that. According to good old Wikipedia,
there were twenty one, one hundred and fifty one people
at the Keel Center on this night in Saint Louis.
And let's just face it. You know why we're here. Okay,
we've talked about nineteen ninety seven enough, we've kind of
given you the recaps. You know what's up. You know

(02:38):
why we're here. We've been We're here for the first
ever held in the Cell match between The Undertaker and
Shawn Michaels. They have been many haling us out since then,
but none have quite topped the original, which was on
this night in nineteen ninety seven. Like I said earlier,

(03:00):
punka true McIntyre. They will try and this year's Bad
Blood again, bad Blood with one D not two d's
like we had in nineteen ninety seven. But again, you know,
they could probably get in the same ballpark, but surpassing
it that's going to be a tall order, but I'm
sure they'll try their best. We did a hell and

(03:22):
a Cell bracket a couple of years back, so feel
free to check that out to see us rank or
I guess vote this one as the best hell in
a Cell match of all time, and it will be
our match at the night, I think right. That's safe
to say, so we're going to talk about it pretty
early on in this show, But I want to ask
you Nick about young Nick at this time. What were

(03:44):
you thinking? What was in your mind when they kept
promoting a hell and a Cell match? What would you
expect to see on this night.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
I'm not gonna lie. I did not like this Undertaker,
saw Michael's feud. I was just not interested in it.
I was annoyed Bret Hartwich champion, I was annoyed stole
Cold Steve Austin was hurt and not wrestling. I was
just annoyed at the WWF at this.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Point, teenage angst I the best time, I was.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Uh, yeah, like watching it back, I love it. Living
in the moment, I was just like, ah, because F
still was second fiddle to WCW at this time. I hated,
you know, just giving WCW was flowers at the time
because I wanted WWF to be good, and to me,
it just wasn't, even though there were some really good

(04:37):
things and I love watching certain things back. The Hell
of a Cell I always thought it was like a
ripoff of War Games, so I remember.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I mean, it's just it's a bigger version of it
pretty much.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Like yeah, and I understand, like, Okay, it's a cage
that has a roof on it and it goes to
the floor. Okay, I don't care, Like so they have
room to walk around the ring. Why why is that
supposed to make me care more than a regular cage match.
I was like, why not just the cage match? Uh?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
You know, well, according to JR, this ain't no cage match.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
He made sure to say that a lot on this night.
But yeah, I just I was like, Okay, it's a
War Games match, and we had just seen War Games
in w CW the previous month. That was the one
where Kurt heading turned on the Horseman and joined the nWo.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
So what a wild time? This was, right, follow up
War Games with the first ever Hell in the Cell.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, I just did.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Also, Adam Page is like he a member of Harlem
Heat tonight you see his see his outfit, all.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
The juices on my TV now. But also this is
that's funny.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
But go ahead, I'm sorry, give me to cut you off.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
So yeah, I just again the Taker or saw Michaels Fiet.
I didn't like Sean was the European champion, and I
didn't even like that, even though he beat the Bulldog
and I like the Bulldog. I just didn't like a
lot of what was happening because I knew the Undertaker
was like Sol, you know, he lost the title to Brett.
I was like, Okay, he's not going to be champion

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anytime soon, and why do I care that he hates
Shawn Michaels Like, I just didn't understand why it was
such a few thing at this point. And I remember
Paul Burr saying came back in June, and I was like, Okay,
well eventually that is going to happen, and didn't happen
at Ground zero, But I mean, it's going to happen.

(06:34):
So I just didn't care. I wasn't emotionally invested. I
was just kind of like, all right, let's get this
whole cane thing over with. Let's get he'll cost taker
or something and they'll have a few you know the
fact that Sean the biggest, really the biggest wrestlers were
two heels and Brett Hart and Shawn Michael's like Austin

(06:56):
was out, so you couldn't really root for him, and
you know, so it was really like a crappy time
to be a good guy and cheer the good guys
in because there weren't any you know again an undertaker.
To me, it was just like waiting until Caine showed up.
So I just lost lost any like interest in what

(07:19):
he was doing. And so yeah, the whole hell to
sell did not like interests me, but I got it.
Ordered this pay per view. My birthday is October seventh,
by the way, so this was two days before my birthday,
and I was just always asking my mom to order

(07:42):
the w F pay per view. I think this year
I got the Halloween Havoc one as a birthday gift
as well, so I had two pay per views of
this month Halloween Havoc ninety seven and Bad Blood ninety seven,
So obviously I thought Halloween Havoc was better. At the time.
I looked more forward to the Hokan Piper cage match

(08:03):
then this Hell of the Summer.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
This is wild that that was that Halloween Havoc, right, yeah,
Oh my god, you a ford to that more than this.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I did, because at the time, Piper had already announced,
I think that they were going to have a cage match,
so you know, it was already like expected that it
was going to happen the Halloween. I'm like, oh, Halloween,
have a cage match like that. I can't wait. I
didn't know it was going to be a cage it
it was. I thought it was going to be one
of those normal WW cages around the ring, not the
you know, the I was actually listening to our Halloween

(08:36):
Havoc ninety one Deep Dive a little earlier, and it
was that Chamber of Horrors cage, like the out outside
of it.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh my god, I remember that.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Without the you know, the curvature at the top. But
uh yeah, I was looking more forward to that than this.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
That.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
That's how Bad Down, Bad I was with w w
F at this time.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
You was down real bad. I was real, real, real
bad because that cage match was, if the opposite of
the Hell in the Cell, like as good as the
Hell in the Cell was. The decayed match between Hogan
and Piper was like as bad as that was, as
good as it was, as bad as the complete opposite
in the end of the spectrum it was.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
And I I was young, but I understood when they
would hammer you over the head on commentary with something.
I was like, oh, Sean Michael is gonna be in trouble,
and I was like, oh my god, Okay, he's gonna win,
Like stop stop telling me this, Like, okay, I know
he's gonna win. It's probably gonna be a Kane showing
up to do it because like everyone's like, oh my god, Sean,

(09:36):
Sean shown this Seawan that. I was like, I'm not stupid, man,
I'm eleven years old. Man, I know what's going on
everything exactly, so we gotta figure it out. That was
also part of the annoyance of me like oh my god,
just shut up. Well I love it now though I'm.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Glad you turned around on it. I'm glad you turned
around on it. But yes, here we are at the
Keel Center in Saint Louis, Missouri, and you heard that intro.
It is very deadly serious intro about Seaw Michaels and
how terrible of a person he is all of a sudden,
But then we start the show on a very somber

(10:16):
note because earlier in the day Brian Pilman had passed
away and Vince McMahon announced it at the beginning of
the show in the broadcast. Wouldn't be the last time
they announced someone's death during a show during the broadcast,
but his Vince McMahon doing it, and damn, Brian Pillman

(10:40):
dead on the day of a show. How did you know?
What you what would you thinking? What were you thinking
as a kid watching this when you hear that news.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I don't even know. I think it was I was
still so I was gonna be twelve a few days,
so I was eleven years old, and I'm thinking I
hadn't at that point, never lost anyone close to me,
So I did not know how people dealt with, you know,
death at that time. And the way they went about

(11:14):
the show and the way Vince talked about Brian Pillman
throughout the course of the show, it was kind of like,
damn you So if you die, it's just kind of
like life goes on type thing, like pretty much no
one cares. So at a young age, I was like, Okay,
this must be normal, because when I would watch wrestling,

(11:36):
I was like, okay, like I know it's predetermined, but
I mean this is probably a microcosm of real life
in terms of like what's normal and what's not. So
when this very real thing happened with Brian Pillman dying
and the way Vince handled it, I was like, wow,
I guess the normal thing is when people die is

(11:56):
to just you know, move on quickly. And it was
very weird, you know, because once I did lose you know,
a few ads close to me when I was in
high school, you know, realizing okay, like wow, like this
impacts way more than I thought because my only experience

(12:18):
with that was a wrestler who died a few years
ago that you know, that was the first dad like
Andre the Giant died in ninety three, and I remember
my mom kind of being upset. But I didn't really
watch Andre as you know it in his prime. I
didn't see WrestleMania three. At that point, I saw WrestleMania
six and he was you know, kind of barely moving

(12:41):
around type things. So like that was my memory of Andre,
so I wasn't and plus I was younger. I was
what four years younger at the time, so like eight
seven eight years old. Uh, just you know, you don't
think about as a kid. You're just like, oh, like, okay,
how do I go out about my day after that?

(13:02):
Because it doesn't really affect me. So I almost felt
like the same way with Pilman, even though I was older.
I was watching him every week throughout you know, the
summer he joined the Heart Foundation. He was in big,
high profile angles. He was obviously just finished that angle
with Marlena or just finishing up you know, the Thirty
Days with Marlena angle, And that was my just memory

(13:28):
at him. And I was just like, well he was
a jerk anyway, because I thought it was that's why
certain things were real and certain things weren't. And I
was like, well, that's real because the way people are acting,
you know, like that's clearly real. Marlene is clearly you know,
being taken advantage of type thing. It's just eleven years old,
It's what I thought. So I was like, I guess

(13:50):
that's why they're moving so thick because of what Brian
did with Marlena. Maybe that's why they're moving so passes
so quickly, and maybe why Vince is handling it the
way he is speaking the way he is about it.
But yeah, it's it's kind of you know, you grow
up and you look back, you're like, wow, Like that's
a wild way to deal with that. Yeah, the way they.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Kind of they mentioned it. And by the way, Brian
Pilman was thirty five when he passed. Yeah, Bloomington, Minnesota,
I believe.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I'd show the previous night, I believe, and.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, from Bloomington, Minnesota. So he I think died in
his hotel room at the age of thirty five. And
Vince announced it, and they just kind of quickly moved on,
uh to the rest of the show, and they but
they did do like a more somber announcement after the
first match and Vince expresses condolences. But they kind of
talked about it at one point in like in a
storyline way, like where like where where's Marlene at? And

(14:44):
it's like, who cares what Marlena is like, this.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Ain't like Owen heart entrance if you he's got this
real sad look on his face, and yeah, like that
was gotta wonder. You gotta wonder if it's because stole
cold Steve Woss is lurking, or if it's the death
of Brian Pelman affecting him.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Probably probably the death of stable me because it was
was pill Mist in the Heart Foundation at that point,
so a person he also grew up with in some
ways because he trained at in Calgary and Stampede Wrestling
Brian Pillman did. So it's unlike that's the reason why
he's part of the Heart Foundation because he has history
with the family so close friend and somebody that you

(15:25):
you know, been up and down the roads with. Yeah,
I'm sure he was emotional and that was kind of
eiry to watch because you know, a couple of years later,
we're watching Owen's colleagues feel have the same look in
their face when they're in the ring after he died
in the ring. Wasn't like in a hotel room in
another city. It was in front of them moments later
and moments earlier, i should say, and then moments later

(15:48):
they're in the ring trying to perform in front of
all these people. So, yeah, that was that was a
strange thing I noticed, is when he's strange, just eerie,
you think I know this as well? Was Owens Stoic's
him during his entrance for good reason.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
But the fact that they played you mentioned it, like
they played it into storyline. You gotta wonder if he's
worried about Stone Cold Steve Alston, Like really we're doing that?

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Like I was really surprised by that, although I shouldn't
have been obviously, but that's just a wild thing to
be Like, you gotta wonder if he's you know this
or if it's the death of Brian Pillman, Like what
this is? I can't believe they did that.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, wild stuff, But.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Even you know Vince's tone. So I have the third.
I think it's the third announcement he made. So he
made three announcements about Pillman during the pay per view,
and then the first announcement was on the free for all,
and then he made three announcements during and I think
this is the one where they find out if possible reason.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
There authorities expect no foul play was involved in terms
of the initial uh inspection. Nonetheless, apparently they're they're concerned
about the possibility of of a drug overdose. Be it
for sure a recreational of course, that is a problem
in all sport and all forms of entertainment wild that

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will not be definite for another seven days when the
tecology report comes.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
And will be made public.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
And that is the update we have on you with
the unfortunate death of Brian Tillman.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
So number one, I don't think past the fact that
he died. I don't think we need updates about his
why he died.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
He's sal time, yeah, and he said the first thing,
He's like, if we have any updates, we'll, you know,
let you know. And we don't need updates three three
of them.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
If he passed away, he passed away, we don't because
again we don't know what happened. And they you run
into what they did with Benoa where they honored him
and he find out why he died, and it's like, oh,
we shouldn't have honored him, so like announced it and
do it somberly, obviously, because you want to be respectful
and you're you know, you're allowed to show your emotions.
This person passed away and then you don't need to

(18:18):
do updates and do a possible drug overdose and and
then like put like put that out there like a
sod he got family, Like that's that's probably that's pretty wild, bro,
Like did the family even know this like type of
this this level of intel, that's pretty nuts. And also
to kind of like and it happens everywhere, so like
they ain't just wrestling like.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
He used it. Honestly in the moment too, I was like,
that's kind of weird, you know, as an eleven year old,
but he really felt like he was using it as
a defense of him. Yeah, very weird.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, very strange.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
The first, uh what the first I guess active wrestler
death in a while. I mean I don't know that
history of all of them, but it was felt like
the first one I saw, like high profile in the
middle of an angle of wrestler that was on TV
every week dying. This is like the first time I've
seen it happen in my life. And his reaction to

(19:16):
it was just like, well, like, this is what wrestlers do.
You know, it's not my fault. You know, they got
to stay out of it type of thing. They should
shouldn't do this.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
That's and that's pretty much how Vince felt anyway, Like
that's how he actually felt. If you watched his interviews
with various people over there, especially back in the day,
over the years, he pretty much like that, ain't they
ain't none to do with me. That was pretty much
Vince's attitude. Whatever they do, they do it ain't got
none to do with me. So that doesn't really that's
not too far from how Vince actually feels. That was

(19:47):
not in character. That was Vince saying, like you said,
don't don't put this on me, y'all. That's that that's
that's that's them, that's them. Other people they abused drugs
and they got none to do a wrestling. But yeah,
was that's a that's pretty rough. It's a pretty rough
thing to hear on pay per view, even though you
know it's not national TV, but still a wide audience. Uh,

(20:09):
And it's forever on the Peacock. You can go back
and hear it over and over and over again. You
can go back how bas makes me speculated about how
Brian Pillman died.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Pretty much he could go back on Raw the next
night and see him interview Brian's wife Melanie and pretty
much asked her did he have a drug problem? Blah
blah blah, God wild man, like, what.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Is you doing?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
That was the next night.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
That's insane. That's insane. I forgot about that. That's wild.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I felt like the gears were already turning in his
head while he was making these announcements. I'm gonna have
Melody on on Raw tomorrow night. We're gonna we're gonna
kind of set it up so it's almost like a
defense of me. And that's what it felt like from that,
from that Sunday night and to that Monday on Raw.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
This is crazy, terrible, terrible stuff. But let's make an
awkward transition to the rest of our deep dive, which
we've of course split up into the categories, you know,
Match of the night, worst match of the night, our
top non wrestling happening, hidden gems in and out of

(21:22):
the ring, and random thoughts. So we're gonna start off
with Match of the night, and I would assume that
we both have the Hell and the Cell match as
the best match of the night. As much praise as
we've heaped upon it, it ought to be on Match
of the night. Do you Is that the case, Nick?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, I can't make a joke about, you know, the
bad match being a match of the night because the
rest were bad.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
So yeah, there wasn't a lot of Yeah, there wasn't
a lot of great ones to choose from. I think
I found maybe a hidden jam, Yeah, I have none.
I think I found one, But it wasn't It wasn't
an easy choice. Like last week we had Vader and

(22:10):
owen Hart at One Night Only and that was like perfect,
that was like, this is the definition of a hitting gym,
like a fun match that people don't talk about very often.
But this show it was a little bit tougher to pick.
But what was not tough to pick was the match
of the night Helena cel Sean Michaels versus the Undertaker.
Again this is why we're here. And then, like I

(22:33):
said earlier, JR. It ain't no cage match. It's like, okay,
then what the hell is it? Then?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Jim like, because it doesn't sit on the apron, it
looks like.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
A cage, It barks like a cage. Damn it, it's
a cage.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
So the first time they had a cage looking like
that in a while, I don't. I don't know what
their cages looked like prior to the blue bar cage
for Hogan, but that was the WWF cage and I
was so used to and we all used to.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I think they had a chain link, like regular cage
chain link on the apron. I don't recall anybody, even NWA,
having a cage that went all the way to the
floor because War Games is always on the apron.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
I'm saying their cage before the blue bar. I don't
know if it was like the chain link because they
didn't use the blue bar until Hogan was there. So, like,
this was my first time seeing the chain link in WWF.
I was like, this is such a cool visual because
I always preferred that look for cage matches, and now

(23:37):
that it was bigger because it wasn't just sitting on
the apron, it was sitting on the floor. I was like, Okay,
well that it's a cool visual, but I still think
it's a War Games rip off, you know, That's kind
of what I was thinking at the time.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, I think it looked cool as well, but the
match itself was even cooler. Let's get into it again.
We got the video package where oh, for one, Jr.
Also says that the cage has a roof, as he said,
a roof and a roof of a roof, and once
the door was locked, there was nowhere to run, or

(24:13):
so we thought. We get the video package about Sean
Michael's very serious once again, and then we get Shawn
Michael's undertaking in the ring and Undertaker does his entrance
where he does. He turns on the lights and they
make that concussion sound and Shawn Michael's being extra scared
of it and stuff like that. That's always fun, but

(24:35):
I guess it got over the fact in the beginning
that there was nowhere to run because immediately Shawn Michaels
tries to leave the cage. He's trying to escape, and
he gets some punches in early, but really it's just
Undertake of whooping on him for a long period of
time while Shawn Michaels is trying to get away. But
I did like when Shawn Michaels would use the cage
to help him pull off moves like he would do

(24:58):
his elbow drop like off the side of the cage,
which was pretty fun to watch. But you know, this
match was pretty much it was pretty simple, and I
think that's why I liked this so much and why
I think it stands to test the time, because it's
a pretty for the most part simple match outside of
like with like big moments sprinkled in to it, like

(25:18):
obviously a lot of punching, a lot of kicking, but
the big moments hit in between that, right, but they're
beating each other up. Not a whole lot of weapons neither.
We got the steps. We got steel chairs, which was
a big part of the story. That's how the story
got kicked off with Sean Michael's hitting Undertaker in the
face with a steel chair, but Seawan Michaels also used
steel steps. But the difference that's part of the difference

(25:43):
between this and like current cage matches, especially when between
Swerve and Hangman at All Out, is that again simple
and everything had meaning, where a lot of times they
bring a lot of weapons into cages, even in w
W they're probably gonna do it at Hell at Bad
Blood this weekend, bring a lot of weapons in there

(26:04):
and you know, kind of muddy it up a little bit,
money up the picture. And they ain't got aw wood.
They might have a hypodermic needle, in the ring, you
never know, or anything else might be a gun next time.
We just don't know. They've already had flamethrowers. Speaking of
Brian Pillman, you might somebody might pull up with a gun,
you never know, might as well at this point, but

(26:28):
you didn't see that in this match at all. It's
a lot of fighting and just again big moments that
felt like they mattered, like that Shawn Michael's hitting the
pile driver on to steal steps and then telling the
cameraman to get out the way and profane language. That
was fun, but like that felt like a big move,
the pile driver on the steps. Obviously different time, obviously
we're talking about nineteenninety seven where you didn't see stuff

(26:49):
like that all the time. You might see that tonight
on aaw like on the fifth anniversary of Dynamite, but
you didn't see that a lot. But it's just everything
just felt like it had a lot of meaning to
it and obviously a lot of you know, heat between
the two combatants so to speak. Uh until at one
point gets tied up in the ropes, but he kind

(27:10):
of got out of it by flipping seaw Michaels over
the top rope which said, Shawn Michaels onto a cameraman
and all hell breaks loose.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
Michael's coming outside, drop the camera man, Michael shock right
toping Calannon, right up top of the camera, right on.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Top of the cameraman.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Okay, we got it, we got it.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
Come on to beat up a camera man.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Stomped the cameraman out.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
This man, he got a joke. This guy has got
a family like everybody else that the cameraman have gotten it.
Sean Michael's way though, pot cameraman then before it's not
business doing that.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
Get in here.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
What did He's not.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
An athlete, he's not a he's not trained. He's there.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
You gonna be as gonna be a lawsuit here.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
We apologize to the family. We apologize for a family again,
the family of that young chas senselessly patterned by.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
The cameraman.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
You don't love anybody cares.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Oh, siselessly battered.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
I'm gonna w up, is asking for help, and cameraman
is not.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Oh my god, he's not moving. He might be dead.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
You will never hear another ww event, say commentator, say cameraman,
more than you just heard right there.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
They never for one seaw Michaels picks up this guy
was black man with like a perm and beat this
man up so bad, stomped him out in front of everybody.
He did have a family, and basically man apologized to
his family, apologize that young man's family. Didn't even have

(29:39):
the decency to say this man's name. He didn't even
vinal even to write a name in the script. It's
just cameraman. It can't even like, oh, Jerry greg something
to make it seem like, you know, the camera man's name.
Didn't even say his name. We apologize to the family

(30:01):
like that don't mean nothing right now, Vince, you just
said he wasn't moving. He said he was senselessly battered
by one of your restless But we apologize to the
family soon as sin as Jerry Lawler said lawsuit or
dthinggasjenmer Rows said, lawsuit to me a loss. After this,
Vince is like, oh, let me let me apologize right now.

(30:24):
That was not us man chaos. That's that's an all
timer right there. That's very much and on timer.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I think that was the first time I heard Jr.
With he's got a family.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
It got a family, like everybody else that's getting stomped
out by Seawn Michaels, custed out too, stamped and cussed out.
Eventually Sergeant Slaughter and the other w WF officials come
down to help out the unnamed cameraman should forever remain nameless,

(31:02):
and this leads to Sean Michaels and Taker doing what
we thought initially was impossible, leave the cage. I was told,
I don't know about you. I was told, per the
previous emails that I saw about this event, that there
was nowhere to go. There was nowhere to run, there
was no way to get out of that cage, and

(31:25):
now here we are. They out the cage, first time
we've ever had this match, and they've never stayed in
the cage. But I will say business did pick up
once they got out the cage.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I was gonna say, like another reason for me to
eye rolls, Like I'm already kind of like not feeling this,
and now they're out of the cage when they're supposed
to be in. So I'm like, of course, this is crap.
But little did I know get better.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
It would only get better. This is some of some
of I think them being out of the cage is
probably some of the best Hell and the Cell action.
You'll think that that's the part that elevates the match. Honestly, yeah,
it was a good match. They will be wrong with
a good match before they got out the cage. But
everything that happens from this point on elevates this match,

(32:13):
and it's like some of the best stuff that I
think you'll see for a Hell in the Cell match period.
And that's including ninety eight, when the match was pretty
much everything happened outside the cage, and it was just
like Mick Foley falls down, he gets back up, somehow,
he falls down again, and the match is over.

Speaker 8 (32:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
That's pretty much the match, right, But the other matches
outside of that didn't really have what this match had
as far as action outside of the cage. So where
do we begin. We begin with them escaping the cage
first and foremost, and then they climbed to the top
of the cage and then Sew Michaels was already bleeding.

(32:53):
Oh well, he's bleeding when they get tossed into the cage.
I forgot about that. Sew Michaels is bleeding everywhere, but
go ahead, I'm sorry you.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
So he does they trip over Slaughter and the cameraman
and they slaughter and the cameraman fall and then Shawn
Michaels hits a drop kick against the Undertaker on the
outside he lands on. So that's where Sean landed. Is
maybe not cement, but it's a very thin carpet. It's
not where the mat is. I was like, damn, that

(33:21):
had a hurt. But he gets he gets right back up.
It does another one. It part of me thinks like
maybe Undertaker was supposed to catch him the first time,
but he didn't. So the second Dropkakeshan goes for Undertaker,
catches his legs, catapults him into the cage, and that's
where you see him start pleading. And I remember thinking

(33:41):
you could see the gash in his forehead, like how
deep it is and how big it is. I don't
I don't know if it's different on Peacock or you know.
The tape I used to word out after I taped
it the VHS, just going back and I would pause it.
I was like, I wanted to see the moment he

(34:01):
hit the cage, if the cage really was the one
to do that to him, because I was like, that's
like a crazy cut. It's so big. I was like,
a cage did that and you see, I mean he
could have you know he did he did. You go
back and you watch it right before Undertaker catapults him.
He has his hand on his forehead and obviously he's

(34:23):
in the middle of blading himself. So when I back
of my old TV, I could pause it at certain
spots and I did this for like two days. It
was like a project I put on myself because I
wanted to know exactly when Shawn Michaels got busted open.
For some reason, I don't know why, but I was
like obsessed with it after this match, and I was like,

(34:43):
I paused it every single different frame of when Undertaker
categorized him, and I saw the blood before. Finally I
saw a frame of blood before he hit the cage
and I was like, huh because I didn't know they
bladed at the time.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Oh, this pulled the curtain for you.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah. I was kind of like, how's he already? Is
he cutting himself?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Like?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
And what can he be using to cut himself? You know,
I didn't know about the razor blade or anything like that,
so I was like, did was he scratching his head?
And the Undertaker catapultum too quick and his fingernail cut
his forehead, Like just so many crazy things I was
thinking about, and it's just wild that, you know, I

(35:28):
think that really, I don't want to say it made
the match, but man saw Michael's bleeding, the way he
bled puts the batch, I think number one helped. It
was like over over, like you can't outdo that, no
matter like especially now you know, like how do you
outdo that? You know, Mick, Mick was barely bleeding during

(35:51):
his Hell in the Cell match. I mean, well, you
cannot do that. He should do so, you know, I
was just like like that cut man. He had that
bandage on his forehead for like three weeks. It was wild.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Well, he was bleeding a lot, including when he got
on top of the cage and he's lying down on
the cage. For one, when they climb in the cage,
excuse me, there's someone literally screaming in the audience, I
mean screaming to the top of their lungs like they're
in hysterics. And then you hear this screaming as Sean
Michaels is lying down on top of the cage and

(36:28):
his blood trickles into the cage, onto the camera that
onto the lens of the camera that's shooting him from
inside the ring. So the cameraman is pointing his camera
up through the ceiling of the cell at Sean Michaels
as he's bleeding down on top of the lens, and
you hear this person screaming in the background, and then
the cameraman goes, oh crap, not all crap, he says

(36:51):
the S word, but it's just like oh shucks, yeah,
and it's like, yo, what this is a crime scene?
This is nuts.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I could not for the life and be think of
like who that was, And then it finally took me
years to realize that's the cameraman.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
That's the cameraman. Who's because somebody's bleeding on him right now,
Like I've said the same thing, Oh whoa, but he's
trying to get the shot, which was like it just
added to everything. It was like, oh my god, this
person is screaming and hysteric. Sean Michael's bleeding onto the camera.
The cameraman is even like, oh man, like this is nutsy.

(37:31):
I don't know if you'll ever have a moment like that.
For me, it just felt like so much is happening
at once, and I don't know if you ever found
another moment like that, and how in to sell that
felt so and it's it's spontaneous. They didn't plan for us.
I don't know if they planned for him to bleed
through the cage. Maybe they got they planned the shot,
but like for him to bleed on the lens, that's

(37:52):
pretty that's you know, that's just sandipity right there and
the person just screaming in horror at the same time.
It's just so many things is happening at the same time.
But they get on top of the cage that they
do some moves and then Sew Michaels is trying to
climb down the cage and man, the crowd is just

(38:13):
coming alive when he's climbing down and Undertaker kind of
stops him and steps on his hands and Sean Michael's
is hanging on by one hand. He's just dangling from
the top of his cage pretty much, which is not
a short distance, all right. He's probably what, like, I
don't know, his feet are maybe like ten feet in

(38:34):
the air. His feet, yeah, so his head is you know, sixteen,
he's probably maybe he smidge about six feet tall, maybe
about no more than that, maybe I don't know. So
he's high up in the air bottom line, okay, and
his finger he's hanging on by like one finger undertaking

(38:54):
steps on it. And as he's falling, Lawla is yelling
in coming, incoming and goes through the damn announced table.

Speaker 9 (39:05):
There's that person screaming the uh.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
That was an incredible call in Jerry Lawler and even
Jim Ross right after that.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Part of the match I think about the most when
I think about is not Caine, It's not it's.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
That moment right there, which is like the next year
it got obviously topped by what Mankind did, but that
moment itself was crazy. For nineteen ninety seven, no one
was falling from the pretty much the top of a cage.
And you hear the crowd just buzzing after that, and

(40:10):
smarter on the announcements for one Lawla going incoming. It's
just like, I don't know that that's just for some reason,
just emblazing in my mind, says.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
That the repetition, and then like it's like you couldn't
write a more perfect call.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
He had like real urgency in his voice that you
just didn't always hear and this match, for whatever reason,
brought it out now obviously again it feels like it's uh.
It got topped the next year when they thought, like
Jay Lolla legit thought Mick fol was dead and he
said it them coming, like that's it, He's dead, right,
we just stopped the damn match like that was serious.

(40:47):
But this wasn't as serious. Obviously this is within k FAE,
but it just felt still like there was an urgency
to his call of incoming, like a body is about
to fall on us, and it didn't fall on them.
He fell on the Spanish announced table. They gotta break
the Spanish announced table. But that spot was crazy. And
then Vince laying out thank you for not ruining this

(41:08):
call with what a maneuver or something like that. You know,
we didn't need Vince in that moment, and Jr. Going
he is broken and have I want to hear that
call again because the crowd is just incredible. They are
in they are in awe of what they're seeing, Like,

(41:38):
m incredible. That's a moment, that's such a great moment
that just makes the match, so it just puts it
over the top. Just the Kudi grad to the match

(42:00):
like and again the knowledge it again. The spot from
next to you at Mankind falling off the cell was
a more spectacular spot, but I think this spot might
be more meaningful to the match.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, you like the Mankind spot kind of came out
of nowhere, right and here you're you're seeing what's happening
and you have maybe five seconds to process he got
a fall through the table and you kind of like
get that Jones where the Kind thing was like, you
didn't have time to get Jones for it because you're
just like, oh, oh my god, this is like you

(42:32):
literally have the visual in front of you that holy crap,
this is gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, they I think that helps it. They build up
to it the whole match. You get the build up
of the whole match. Where a man kinnd Undertake it
did not have that benefit. They didn't have a match really,
it was just that spot. But Sean and Undertaker had
the benefit of a whole match before this, and you
have the build up of that moment with Sean kind
of dangling from the top of the cage like you know,

(42:57):
like a cartoon or something like that, and everybody seeing
that and then him falling off the cage and to
the table is just, man, what a moment and that
crowd reaction. They did a close up of Undertaker when
you're standing on top of the cage after and people
on the stands just pumping their fists and excitement, like

(43:18):
so excited about this moment, and I could imagine like
the place was buzzing, like if I was there, I
would have been doing the same thing that did. Blown
my mind for nineteen ninety seven. Yeah, yeah, I can't
say that of how cool.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
That moment was in your house, right, that's true? Yeah,
not Survivor series Bad Blood in your house.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
How about that best spot one of the best spots
ever in the hell of Cell And then again that's
including the Mankind spot. You can put that number one
if you want, but this is probably number two, and
it's you know, there's been a lot of Hell of
Cell matches, so I'm probably forgetting some cool spot that happened,
you know, X number of years ago. But I'd put
this up against anything, anything you got, all right, And

(44:04):
I'm sure I'm forgetting something that's probably obvious and being like, oh,
how could you forget that? But like it's got to
go up against this, try to top it as far
as a spot in the hell in a self match,
But at some point Sean Mike go ahead.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
The funny part about this is when Undertaker comes down
as Sean, He's like throwing Sean around a little bit.
Sean's trying to get that wire from the commentator had
set off his legs. He's like kicking his legs trying
to get it off. It's wrapped around his legs. He
can't get it off him, and then he finally does eventually.
I thought that was kind of funny. It's like, you
just fell through the table with now you got to

(44:42):
make sure that you know you're able to move and
if that things wrapped around your legs, you're not gonna
be able to. So he's kind of like shimming his
legs a little bit. At first I thought he was
like messing around. I was like, how could you do that?
I realized it was the wires that we like around
his legs. They even trying to kick off.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
It was a lot going on, man, Yeah, there's a
lot going on, So I'm not surprised he's a little
discombobulated there trying to kick off some wires, but he
had blood all over his face, the proverbial crimson mask
us Jr. I would say. And things didn't get better
for Shawn Michaels once he got back into the ring.
He got to the top rope and got choke slammed
off the top rope. I didn't take it. Then he

(45:27):
got a steel chair, the weapon that started this all,
and he flat out annihilated Sean Michaels. That steel chair.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I remember, if you watch a clip on YouTube of that,
they don't show the contacts with the head the chair,
but you saw it on Peacock. I was kind of surprised.
I thought for some reason that would have been edited,
but it was not.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Man you talk about Steve also saying, oh, you don't
get concussions. If you get concussions, you're doing it wrong.
How did Seawn Michaels avoid a concussion on.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
This night, I mean maybe he didn't. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I don't know. I don't see how he did with
as much force as he got hit with with an
actual steel chair. Like you know what I'm saying, then,
like there's plastic and it's just making sounds. No, that's
the real deal. So yeah, how did he How is
that not a concussion with as much force as he
got hit with on this night. But as you know,

(46:23):
just as when it looks like Undertaker is going to
close out this match with a win, he's going to
hit the tombstone and we are out of here. And
the fans were ready, they were primed and ready for
an undertake of victory. But as soon as we get
to that point, the lights go out.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
We got the whole end of the match.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Let's hear all. No, no, what's that some strange organ
music or something?

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Oh my god?

Speaker 8 (47:09):
Oh okay, Hi Paul, I'm.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Not a great call. I love that call.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Actually, I mean it's memorable. I'll give him that.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Whose side is he on?

Speaker 7 (47:28):
Right?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
That's exactly what it reminded me of? That was wild? Incredible?
Or is it a human being?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Right? You just said it was that?

Speaker 1 (47:47):
It wasn't it's a it's a it's a demon. Look
what that?

Speaker 9 (48:03):
He's huge?

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Whoever he is, He's as big as the Undertaker.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
What's us? A long stare down? Fire? Only three of them? Though?
Only three of the posts turn a topstone man Sun.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Came looking for the hard camera or something.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I don't know. He was spinning them around like you're
gonna give him a spinning tombstone.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Weird, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (48:42):
This is a w.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
This is shocking.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Pull the Undertaker Terry Lawler not speaking at all.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Shop my god's pop speechless on the official.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Screw off.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Train.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
That's gotta be him.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
That was a great misery.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
What's a mine? Earl having doing his lifelong duty of
counting you three despite being you know, incredibly injured, still counts.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
He's still right. He called for the bell too after
this theme playing in.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
That scene is it is pretty funny, But I'm dancing.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Without a shirt hunter, not China.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
That'd be whoa.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Stuckbody mess? Think, don't down the ring. He's big, drunk, out.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Of the rad He's the winner, man, that's the.

Speaker 10 (50:13):
No, no, no, no, don't wait a minute, defeated the Undertaker,
So I don't have a big drink from Michael.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Chere where And he's just a sexy boy. You don't
know where he is because he's probably can cuss.

Speaker 8 (50:36):
Serious.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I do love chokle h telling people to suck it
and showing Michael just looking off into the distance like
where am I?

Speaker 9 (50:45):
Like huhh?

Speaker 4 (50:51):
And now we don't he.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
That's what it is. Can go go back, moment to go.

Speaker 7 (51:03):
The Undertaker stubbing into the face of this giant.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
The giants looks like Doomsday.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
The Undertakers from the U s w A.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
It's Kane.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
It has to be King.

Speaker 7 (51:23):
And then Undertaker driven down into the canvas pile, driven
by his.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Very own hold, very old hold.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
We're back live here now the Undertaking bills. That's coming
to ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
We toly hope you will enjoy the Survivor series when
we present it to you.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
November nine from the Moss Center.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
That makes me laugh.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Oh yeah, not the not the first uh survivors in
this show.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Bad Blood in your house again't wait? Thank you for joining, guys, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
All right, So, as you heard there, Sean Michaels picks
up an unlikely win thanks to an assist from you
would have thought his name was it that's gotta be Kane,
but his name is just Kane.

Speaker 8 (52:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
That's gotta be Kane. Uh. But tell me, young Nicholas,
what were your fairst thoughts when you laid eyes on
That's gotta be Kane.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Uh, how does Undertake didn't Undertaker supposedly kill him when
they were younger? Like, how does how does he know
what Kin looks like? So he has a mask on?
So wait, just because Paul's with him.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
His eyes he could tell he could see his eyes.
He's like, oh that's him.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Oh man, Okay, all right, I guess maybe that's it.
I guess I'll buy it. The first we saw Undertaker
and make any kind of face like that in his
entire career. So yeah, I thought it was kind of
kind of interesting. We were seeing things we hadn't seen before.
I still didn't like it, just because, like Sean, now, like,

(53:16):
where are the good guys? At dammit? Who do I
root for?

Speaker 1 (53:21):
I mean, that's fair, that's a fair critique.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
It was more that was my biggest gripe for this
time period because I was eleven and I needed a
hero and I had no hero the Patriot. I ain't
got to cheer for the Patriot, like get out of here,
So there were no good guys. Austin still was at wrestling,
so what am I? What am I supposed to do?
The Headbangers lost to the Godwins. I have no heroes.

(53:47):
I was pissed.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
That's a fair critique, Like I said, but uh, who
I mean Caine walking into the ring, for one, ripping
a door off the hinges, which was a pretty cool visual. Also,
the visual of Cain looking Undertaker eye to eye I
think was a very important visual that was a jarring

(54:12):
one at the time because very few people had ever
looked Undertaker out of eye. Only the other Undertaker really
looked him out of eye. Maybe, I guess John Gonzales did.
Maybe Sid too, I guess we could. There's been a
couple of people Diesel Sid okay, but it had been
a while and it's you knew, like they look out
of eye. It's like, wow, I guess that's gotta be Kane, right,

(54:36):
He's like the same hyahism. That could be his brother. Yeah,
this is obviously a massive moment that still talked about.
Here we are talking about it twenty some odd years
later with Cain's debut and he was over Night one,
and they built it from this point on up to WrestleMania.
So one of the best stories that WW told during

(54:59):
this time. Yeah, I'm gonna take over to Shawn Michaels
Undertaker and Kane, I should say.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
It's lost on it. It was lost on me, and
it's been lost on me that this really started after
WrestleMania and Paul Burr, I know your secret and I'm
gonna tell everyone, and then they reunited for a little bit.
Then the Undertaker finally got tired of Paul, and then
Paul finally is like King's alive and that was like June.
So this really was a long storyline. Part of the

(55:26):
reason why I was probably just out on it because
WCW was so hot at the time that I was like,
I don't have time for this, Like WCW is kicking
ass every week, and I don't care about a storyline
from March to October, Like I don't have patience for that.
I need here, And now nWo is going crazy. Kurt
Henning came in the Last Night stro of June and

(55:50):
it's already like part of a big, big stories In July,
August joins the horse or well, yeah, technically joined the Horseman,
then joins the nWo. In September, I'm like, WCW's got
things moving, you know, Like I just didn't have the
patience for this, and then the whole Sean Michael Sing happened,
and so yeah, I was just like, man, WWF's moving
so slow with certain things, and like I have no

(56:12):
one to really cheer for now that Austin's hurt. So
in WCW, I got Lex Luger went in the title,
and early August I got even though he lost it,
I got Sting and that was It was weird how
differently I thought about that because I knew Starkad was
kind of like the endgame. It felt like I knew

(56:36):
that was w CW's WrestleMania, so I was like, okay,
like I get me to Starkade, you know, I don't
care whereas here is like after WrestleMania, so I'm like,
what exactly are you building to type thing like do
I have to wait till next WrestleMania for this stuff
to happen. I was just kind of like, oh, like
there was it was a the mid cards being so

(57:00):
bad too. It's like I wanted the top stories to
like really compel me, and it was hit or miss
a lot. The hard foundation stuff, the Austin stuff mostly good,
but then like Brett fell off the map after winning
the title and Austin's her It's like I'm really not
invested in this Sean thing or Taker thing or a

(57:22):
Kane thing. So this moment though, I think they built
commentary as well. The way Kane looked was really interesting
to me. The fire coming out of the ring posts,
where you know, you would tell right away, oh, they
have things wrapped around the ring post, so something's gonna
happen tonight. Like if you paid attention to the rings

(57:43):
set up and how it looks, you would notice, Oh,
there's things attached to the ring post. And that's exactly
what I noticed back, you know, I was like, oh,
okay there. At first I thought it was maybe for
the flag match, but clearly it was for Kine's pyro.
So you just kind of expect, Okay, something's gonna happen.

(58:04):
Let's see if I like it or don't. So I
liked it, but I hated it because man what I
liked it in terms of it being newsworthy, but I
hated that it came at the expense of the Undertaker
because then he lost again, and he lost to Brett
at Summer Sam. I'm like, oh my god, he keeps losing,

(58:25):
Sean winning and then having a title match against Brett.
I didn't want to see it. So my emotions were
like all over the place with w w F at
this time period because WCW was on a roll, and
I was like, why can't you be like them? That's
really how I felt, And.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Then you said the same, said the opposite the next year,
pretty much, why can't you be like them?

Speaker 2 (58:45):
WTW exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
But yeah, we've talked enough about the hen to sell
on this show and past podcast. But I think my
feelings were clear about how good dismatch is. No surprise
it features the undertake on show. They usually they're usually
pretty good together. I've heard so they usually do good
stuff together. But let's transition to the opposite end of
the spectrum. What is your worst match of the night? Nick?

Speaker 9 (59:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
The other ones?

Speaker 9 (59:14):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yeah, I have godwins and Headbangers?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Wow, I agree. I thought you I thought you picked
something else, but I agree.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Man, I do have an honorable mention that I won't
get too. But man, the head Bangers that that was
the one thing I had, Dude, I hated like they
were the good guys that had the titles for a month. Yeah,
but it was like it was a feel good story.
They were over with the crowd. And then this uncle

(59:44):
Cletus comes in and then the godwins win and it's like,
what the hell is going on to my WWF?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
What happened to the game that I love?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
It was so and the ending was so stupid, like
it don't don't tease, You're gonna reverse the decision and
then not do it? Bull crap man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Well let's listen. For one, there's a spitting contest in
the beginning where they spit up into the air and
try to catch it or in their mouths too. That's disgusting.
H And also you mentioned uncle klid As he was
known as a dirty white boy in Smoking Mountain wrestling
back in the day Tony Anthony uh. And then we

(01:00:34):
go back to show uh Thrasher, I mean Thrasher hits
a move on the outside at that one point and
on to Phineas Godwin and they missed the move initially
on camera, so nre like, oh, what a maneuver to
this move. We got to show the replay to that one,
and they come back to it like the double feature.

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
Oh it was was uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Thrasher missing the hurrican Na and Phineas having to help
him out a great deal to get the move offs.
It's just funny, like I was kind of hype for
I was like, oh man, I must have missed something big.
Vince hyped it up like it was a great maneuver
and no, it was just it was an awkward looking
Hurrican roana from Thrasher to Phineas Godwin. So so that

(01:01:22):
was another like knock against it. Uh, the spinning contest,
then the hyping me up for a big move that
wasn't there, and then the head bangers almost killed Phineas
Godwin like it looked like they were he was looked
like Phineas thought it was going to be like a
back body drop where he had to flip over, but
the headbangers were for a flapjack instead. So Phineas is

(01:01:44):
turning so he can get flipped over, but they're pushing
him down into the mat instead of getting him up
in the air. And he went straight down and if
he man, if he didn't turn far enough, it could
have been ugly in there. Fortunately he rotated all the
way so he landed on his back, but it didn't
look good and even the announcers like what my god,

(01:02:07):
And then I think Lawlo is like why is everybody
trying to break the god One's neck. Like he's like, yeah,
I agree with you now, Like it's some wild stuff
going on. Benjamin A, Oh, we not surprising.

Speaker 9 (01:02:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
We got they got some business to attend to. They
got some business. There's more business to come. Prince Nanna
is furious right now. Man, all the brothers. I need
the brothers to work together. I'm tired of the brothers
working against each other. Need all the brothers to work together, okay,
because ain't we brothers? All right?

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Another thing in this match that happened was Vince mentioning
Thrashes tongue ring multiple times, because this is nineteen ninety
seven and were a big deals still back then.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
He's got something on his topt that weird.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
There was a time where, maybe not today as much,
but back definitely back in the nineties and early two
thousands where tongue ring was like whoa, and people were
making all kinds of assumptions about people based on uh
just one piercing uh jyrs Like was he drunk when
he did it? And apparently Thrash was like, I don't
even I don't even drink, and he's like what Jr.

(01:03:25):
Couldn't believe somebody would do that sober but again ninety seven,
and then they talked a lot about Miss McMahon especially
talked a lot about Marilyn Manson's performance from the nineteen
ninety seven Video Music Awards to MTV Awards, which again
ninety seven. Wild deal. I don't know if you're going

(01:03:47):
back to watch this. I did just so I could
get an idea of what they were talking about. Uh,
and yeah, Manson came out like the president, came out
to hail to the Chief, but on this podium, instead
of saying like President of the United States, it said
anti Christ superstar, you know, and it talked about, you know,
how we were done with fascism. And he then performed

(01:04:09):
the Beautiful People of All Songs, which was of course
the themes on the SmackDown from two thousand and one
and two thousand and three. Manson did this while wearing
a what was at the time and probably today also,
but at the time a very controversial outfit, which was
him wearing, especially for assists man, very controversial, wearing a
leather corset that had this whole booty out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
So there you go, how about that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
There you go? Hop out that we got to see
manl On Mans's booty back in nineteen ninety seven, so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
There's still a research for this episode. You got to
see that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yep, I was looking to see something like what they
talk about. I wasn't looking to see that, but that's
what that's stuff be happening, man, And I didn't watch
ninety seven. I don't know if I was old enough
to watch them be amazed in ninety seven, I would
have been eight, so I guess I could have been
in the same room, but I just wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I did not. It really wasn't until high school where
I started the Yeah, everyone else talking about it, so I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Just say I've seen it. I probably started it on
like ninety nine. I think ninety nine is probably the
first year I watched the VMA's and then I will
start watching like two thousand and two thousand and one,
and that kind of fell off after like ninth grade,
I think. But either way, that's what they were talking
about when it came to Manlyn Manson. Lawler had a
bunch of Jeff Foxworthy jokes or jokes that were in

(01:05:33):
the vein of Jeff Foxworthy about the Godwins and for
those who don't know Jeff fox Worthy as a comedian
who made millions of dollars saying you know you're a
redneck when this, or if you do this, then you're
probably a redneck or something like that, Like that's the
joke he would make, and he people all over the
country put lots of money down to see him tell
that joke over and over again in the nineties especially,

(01:05:56):
And look, I ain't knocking it, it's just that's what happened.
He He's made a lot of money with his thing
and to his catering to his audience. So no no
qualms with me. But just for context as to why
King kept going, if you joke to elementary school, you
might be a godwin. Like here of elementary school age

(01:06:18):
and you're driving a car, then you that's not allowed.
That's not legal, So you shouldn't be eight years old
doing that. He said, if you got older eaters for
a Christmas present, you might be a god one like
that's pretty wild. Or if you think people who have
electricity are uppity, you might be a godwin. So a
little silly jokes like that that King was telling him

(01:06:41):
during this match more entertaining than the match itself and
then but the finish, I will give him credit. The
finish itself was kind of cool with Phineas, kind of
like turning reversing a move into a power bomb or moshe.
They tried, man like, they tried, but as you mentioned earlier,

(01:07:02):
the Godwins kept beating on the Headbangers. After the match,
referee Tim White threatened that if they didn't leave immediately,
they'd be stripped of the titles. And then the Godwins
did not leave immediately. They actually got more angry. It
was not yelling at people, didn't they Yeah, like they
were mad for because they were being reprimanded for breaking
the rules, like y'are doing too much? But yeah, that

(01:07:24):
was also the worst match of the night for me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
What if you know that James Bradberry holds in the
Super Bowl the ref all of a sudden, I was like,
you know what, threatened to reverse the decision after That's
what I don't understand in wrestling, Like again understanding wrestling
together in the same sentence, I get it, but why

(01:07:48):
why would you reverse How can how could you reverse
the decision after it's over right?

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
It's like, why do champion his crowned yeah, like because
they were behaving.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
How do you and how can how do you have
the power to strip the titles from like you're a referee,
Like you don't have that power. What the hell are
you talking about? Like I don't get it, Like, so
why not be you know, we're just the continuity from
match to match, Like that's why when things like that happened,

(01:08:22):
I'm like, oh, the heap Bangers are still have the
titles even though they lost, and it's like just kidding,
like we're just gonna tease you a little bit. Uh,
Godwins are still champs. Just I don't know why they
needed to do that, like make Godwins more heelis, Like
nobody liked them to begin with. They didn't need to
be these big heels. They were just going to lose

(01:08:42):
the tag titles in a week anyway to l O
d on Raw they lost as well. I mean, I
don't know why they needed that, but whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Also, Sonny uh did the ring announcing for this match.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
At least they didn't ignore the history she had the
Godwins because I remember that when the Godwins were babyfaces
and she was managing the body datas they had some
run ins and Phineas was in love with her. So
I'm glad they acknowledged that they they weren't in their
era of ignoring everything that happened before that day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
They could have ignored that and nobody cared about that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I appreciated it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Swept that right another rug. Nobody would have nobody would
have cried about it. All right, but let's move on
to the top non wrestling happening. I feel like we
should both agree on this. I'll go first. I'm going
to go Steve Austin forfeiting his Intercontinental Championship. Now, not

(01:09:43):
the match itself that follows, just what Steve Austin did.
Everything he did, from throwing the belt down into the ring,
giving on the middle fingers, sitting in on commentary, and
then just talking Crash the whole time was amazing. Just

(01:10:05):
hopping on a walkie talkie, he was here a talk
at some point. Then he's grabbing people's head sets. He
knocked Jr's hat off his head, and you can hear
like the stuff happening because it's picking up on the mic.
So you hear this rumbling going on, and it's like,
what's going on? And JR. Is like he knocked my
hat off. And then King Clowns Jr. For wearing a

(01:10:25):
cowboy hat. It's like when you wear a crown, like
who's the real goofy here? Uh? And then Steve Austin's
does going to other announced tables. He goes to the
Spanish announce table and threatens Tito Santana, you know, and
Santana's Tito Santana is a little shook. And so with
Brian Eisley. I for sure too, he was worried about
Tito Santana.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
He's probably telling also get the hell away from my
boy Tito.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I'm sure he saw Steve Awston threatet and Tito is like,
don't do it, Steve, Please, don't do it to him. No,
not hurt my guy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Price? And what was old hard working on the leg down?

Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
Wait a minute, Autin often, how's a Spanish headsets?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
You kill me? Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Hey, we got a good joke going on that right,
big Spanish? But you want to say that again?

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Is that reason I lose?

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
I think that was you know, fathers he did say
it again?

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
That was crazy Keet the local crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
Yet you know I speaking about Spanish, you know, you're
talking trash.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
About me, no, no, no, he said we're friends respect.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
But you know what, that's what he does. He takes
the focus off of everything.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Oh man, Missus McMahon was hating.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
Raising hell if you went out here, Wait a minute,
he's he's something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
I went to French.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Now wait with Los Angeles. I'm not getting briss right
out of you.

Speaker 9 (01:12:06):
You know that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I'll be at Montaurel, France.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
Different friends, I know wherever you're from. I'll be in Montreral.
What's the next one we got coming up? So Ivor
Survivors series got stopping a mud hole and someone's asking.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Walking and drove.

Speaker 10 (01:12:18):
All right, you're telling them in France whatever they speak
up there, whether I'm gonna get your.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Heart foundation for anybody, you let them know this.

Speaker 10 (01:12:23):
Don't coach coming and when not coming, I'm gonna be
a little pissed off. What I getting that for me
saying it's not saying it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I had a clip it because I agree with you.
That's my top non wrestling thing. This just what Austin
was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Yes, the whole match, that was great, just talking trash,
messing around, making himself the top baby face.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
In the industry. Yeah, another heel versus he'll match and
I went in for Rooke, So yeah, like this this
is the second best thing to have it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
On the show, honestly, honestly it is. I was dying laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
I had forgotten that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
It's it's tremendous and promoting Survivor cities at the same time.
It's going to be a Montreal, which is a French
speaking province. Knock that French right out of you. That's wow.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
And he's overdoing with the French now. The way he
said that was hilarious today for Steve Wawson.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
At the presence of mine though, they'll be like, oh,
I'm being my French. You know, French speaking place in
the month they speak French up there, not France.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
But French, so that was pretty speak French up there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
He's right right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
The match itself ended with a Steve Austin hitting for
Ruthe in the head with the IC title so that
owen Hart could win so he could face owen Heart
at the Survivor Series in Montreal the next month.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
They never explained that enough. Everyone was confused.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
It's like, yeah, they didn't explain it on this show
for sure at all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Like, come on, we need something, damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yeah they didn't. They didn't really hint at I mean,
they said that's gotta be Kane, but left this vague
for some reason, Like I feel like this needed more
explanation than that, you know, like why would he help
his friend? Why would help his enemy? I was like,
did he already do that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Did he just turn off?

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Like what the hell exactly? I feel like that's something
you gotta explain. But that's gotta be Cane. Is you
can leave that alone? Like we're still talking about it obviously,
So I guess it was memorable, but it's also unnecessary.
This felt necessary to be like, hey, he's trying to
help Owen only so he can beat on and get
his real revenge at Survivor series. Is that all you

(01:14:57):
can question it? Is that what he's trying to do?
And Steve you know, confirmed that maybe in a promo
the next night, But yeah, I agree with you. I
think there's something that could have been done there about that.
I did love Owen saying that he won the title
all by himself. I did it just me. Another an

(01:15:21):
ever mention for me in this category would be I
guess the Saint Louis legends. You know, we got to
honor the past, honor the greats. We're doing deep dives
about the past, so why not go further into the
past and talk about Saint Louis as a wrestling city,
which was, you know, back in the day, known as
a massively successful town in the National Wrestling Alliance with

(01:15:41):
this territory known as this Saint Louis Wrestling Club, which
is a strange name in my opinion for a promotion,
just a club, all right, whatever, but I mean whatever,
it worked because they were selling out shows lefting right
under the leadership of Sam Munchnick, who was the promoter
that was until Vince came in and bought the television
out and I believe eighty three, and they got absorbed

(01:16:05):
by Jim Crockett Promotions in eighty five. So there is
that for Saint Louis wrestling. But Jyr introduced some Saint
Louis wrestling legends such as Gene Kiniski, Jack Briscoe, Dorri
Funk's junior, Harley Race who Terry Funk, who was probably
in the midst of another you know, for retirement at
this point. Again, Sam Muschnick and Luthez and Man video

(01:16:27):
packages for everyone too, which was like, then they did
a lot of work to honor these guys for just
out of know what. They didn't do this in every
city they went into, but for some reason they did
it with Sam Muchnick. I guess Evince felt like he
owed something to Sam much Nick.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
For some reason out of pen for this era of right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
For sure, Evinces will go out of his way to
honor people when he feels like they're owed something from
him or something like that, and I guess did with
Sam Muchnick. Again, not sure why you get this much love,
but he did. Maybe he did it also to help
sell tickets in Saint Louis. You know, it's something like
WF was selling out every show they were doing at
this point. You know, remember what they did the word
rumble earlier this year with TRIPAA. But also then the

(01:17:11):
Terry Funk's video reminded me of what it was like
to watch vhs again, Like I don't know if it
was on your feed, but on my feed on Peacock,
I saw like a bunch of vhs tracking on the
Funks video and it's like, what is this. I haven't
seen this in decades, so that was strange. Also didn't
realize that Luther as was the youngest and the oldest
n WA champion of all time. Yeah records, He's well,

(01:17:34):
he's still technically the youngest n WA champion of all time,
and he was twenty one years old when he first
won the title, which is just insane think about. But
he's no longer the oldest champion of all time new either.
He was fifty when he won the title. Tim Storm
is now the oldest NWA champion of all time at
fifty one years old when he won it in twenty sixteen.

(01:17:55):
But again, Luther is still the oldest, uh in all
the youngest nw A World champion of all time. Anything
else about that that you can throw out there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
I just thought it was weird and it's fun seeing
Terry Funk because I was like, that guy was just
ECW champion a few months ago. Yeah, and now oh
he's gonna come back and changed saw Charlie in a
couple of months to the team with Cactus Jack. Like weird,
But yeah, I didn't know if it. I was like, oh,
I guess there's gonna be a heel that comes out

(01:18:26):
and they're gonna do an angle with this the way
they always done now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
But no, it was none of that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
It was just straight like we're honoring these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Yeah, giving him plaques, giving him a round of applauses
like the not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Even like on the pay per view, not on the
free for all or anything. So maybe obviously time filler
because the mini's match wasn't that's too long, So it's
not like whatever they had planned for Brian Pillman. I'm
sure maybe this was part of it, but it also
felt very uh organized too, so I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Like I felt like a Hall of Fame foret, like
a Hall of Fame induction ceremony, like almost. Yeah, so
they gave and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Maybe they were going to do it during the pre show,
then they were like, oh, let's just move it to
the main show, you know, to full time. So yeah,
I don't know, but it was interesting. It was kind
of cool to see those guys too, because I had
known most of them growing up. I've heard their names.
Harley Race and Terry funk Is are the biggest two.

(01:19:29):
But yeah, it was kind of like a lot of
people I didn't know. I was like, Brisco, that sounds familiar.
I didn't realized Jerry had a brother.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Jack Brisco. I didn't write him down to my note,
I say him in my notes, I think I did.
I think Jack Brisco?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yeah, yeah, so I was overall really cool now look
like watching back, but like as an eleven year old,
I was like, what the hell is this?

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Who the hell is Gene Kiniski and lou Fez. But
moving on from that, let's get to the hidden gems
from this night. You said you didn't have any from
this No, so.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Because my honorable mention for UH worst match was the
flag match.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Man, Yeah, I don't blame you for saying that. I
think my hitting gym I was because I had to
choose one I was you had to. I just felt
like I did. I thought I was thinking of the
flag match because but but no, here's the thing. I'm
not going to do that, but I will tell you

(01:20:34):
why I thought about it. I will go with lesion
of doom versus Nation and Domination. Can you hear the
plane overhead as it flies by of my house?

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Okay, well hopefully you can't because it's pretty loud in
my ear. At least I don't know. But either way,
Lesion of doom Nation and Domination is two on three,
so you're hawking in we'll go against Rocky my Via
Brown and Common mustapha.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Ken was supposed to wrestle, but because of his lung
and he couldn't right, So I remember Haul getting on
the bike. I was just like, it's got to be
a head cat match, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Then okay, uh, the match was actually pretty good. The
fans were into it. Rod got the win after the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
The fans were also into da versus the Briquas, So.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
I mean, all right, but give him some type of credit.
But I will say the flag match, the stipulations were dumb. Okay,
what is a flag match with pin falls and submissions?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Dude? Did you hear Jim Ross? He's like, I have
a reason to believe that the Vader and the Patriot
were the ones that requested that because they can't climb
the pole. It's like you're burying your top baby faces
too in that match, like so bad. It was bad.
And then why were the poles so big? Pause? But

(01:21:59):
they were big?

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I don't, I don't know, it was it was strange.
It was strange. It's very strange. But and then we
got Vader Curson doing the promo saying, this is BS
what's going on? The problem is it was a decent match.
The tag match itself was a good match. It was
just super long, and it it was super long for

(01:22:22):
a match. It didn't mean that much at the end
of the day, Like it didn't matter, dude, The outcome
didn't matter. Nobody cared about the patriotism behind it. Not
in Saint Louis. At least they didn't even grab the
flags because the match ended with the pinfall, So it's like,
what does it? What does it matter? The only thing
that really stood out in this match for me? You

(01:22:43):
know again, the tag match yourself was good. But Vader
doing the moonsaf from the top rope and landing on
his feet, Yeah, we'll try to pretty damn there. I
mean him doing the moon salt itself was is impressive enough,
but pretty much landing on his feet is wildly impressive
for a person who size I agree. Then a fan
hopped into the ring got stomped out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Like Kyota said, get the hell out of here, not before.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
A couple of stomps got put in by British Bulldog
put the boots to him real fast. Evince called him
an Overzello's patriot, which is hilarious given what's occurred in
our country in recent years. So I thought I found
that funny.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
What if he was scummled into help Brett, we will
never know. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Get out of here, get stomped. You don't belong here.
And Brett got the pin out of nowhere to win
a flag match. The flags were essentially there for decoration.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
O my god, and make it look worse, the Patriots
started beating his ass after the match. I was like, patriot,
you are a loser. Get out of my country.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I hat you got to move brother.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
You you couldn't reach for the rope at ground zero,
and now you're attacking a guy that pindya right away, like,
get out of here. You are not my patriot.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
They didn't make him look like a chump.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
This is what I was eleven. I had nobody to
cheer for. I had stole called Steve Boston, who couldn't wrestle,
and that was it. Everybody else was either bad or goofy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
And then you had gang rules the next month. Oh man,
it's a lawless town now WWF, it's a lawless promotion.
No heroes. I feel for you, Nicholas, zero of them.

Speaker 9 (01:24:37):
You need a.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Hero like that Lucas.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Bring him back. MANCW did him dirty by making him
win the title. Lose it. Bring him back. He can
be Brett in Montreal.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Wrap up the Lex Express, Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
The wrestle will wrestlemating attend should have been Yeah, I
could have undid all that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Undid it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Bring Lex back.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
They needed and you needed a hero, not a you know,
the total package needed everything. Let's move on though, to
some random thoughts random notes from this night. One random
note that I had was that Jr. During the opening
match said that Rocky my VA wasn't the bad with

(01:25:26):
one d a bad mood because his alma mater, the
University of Miami quote unquote took it on the chin
from for Rooke slash Ron Simmons is alba mater Florida State.
So you know, I had to look it up because
Miami and Florida State have had some legendary games in
the past, and j'all wasn't lying the U took it

(01:25:49):
on the chin. This was not one of those classic
games between Miami and Florida State. On October fourth, nineteen
ninety seven, Florida State beat the daylights out of the
Hurricane forty seven to nothing. Miami as a program was
in rough shape at that point, as the loss dropped
them to one and four. For some reason that to

(01:26:10):
do some digging for the box score. Don't know why,
but I looked it up. Miami had eight first downs
minus thirty three yards rushing. And mind you, in college,
sacks count as lost rushing yards as a stat so
just keep that in mind. Why you see minus thirty
three yards. They couldn't run the ball at all. No
sacks also count against that total, so you'll see that

(01:26:31):
a lot in college, and Miami was outgained four twenty
two to one thirty one. So not great, but it's okay.
I mean, they finished the season five and six, not great, Uh,
not boeligible, but they won in the basement for too
much longer. They finished nine and three, ninety eight, nine
and four, ninety nine, and eleven and one in two

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thousand and won the Sugar Bowl over Florida, and then
went on to the field one of the best teams
of all time in two thousand and one went well, ever, know,
dominated Nebraska in the BCS National Championship Game to win
a national title. So there's that that two thousand one
Miami team, Nikki. There's some names on there that you
recognize that were on the bench in that team. All right,

(01:27:15):
Pro Bowl players that were reserved players on that team,
and multiple Hall of famers including Ed Reid and Andre
Johnson on the same team.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
It was funny. I was gonna say, but and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
This was long after because I don't have the one
SAPs time one Sap played with the Rocks, so took
took a spot allegedly. So he was younger, Yes, he
was like a year or two younger, and but what's
better and got the spot. Yeah, and Dewey as he
was known as, has had this rod the bench. That's

(01:27:54):
just how it went. I mean, there's there's some there
were some dogs at the U back in the day.
And this year's team also looking pretty good, also looking
pretty good, looking like a national title contender. Again they
barely escape. It was a Virginia Tech this past week.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
I was I did not know, Oh you don't you know?
That's full of college college football games, not all of them,
only a handful. I was tapped into Georgia Alabama. Man,
I was like, that was incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
That's fair, everybody was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
It was an incredible game. Half of the game, so
it was that this.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
This the fourth quarter. The finish of that game was great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Yeah, and that I was in Penn State, Illinois probably
a few others off the top of my head.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
If you interested in Miami's playing cal this weekends number
eight unranked, right yeah, in Miami's number eight, number eight
in the country, and the playoff is this year. I
can't wait for the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Teams, right, yeah, that's fun. I'll be too. That Penn
State most likely make it, so I'll be then. I'm
like a huge Penn State guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
But but it's imagine the playoff game and Happy Valley, Man,
that'd be dope.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
I've been there once, so I mean like not even
I was there for five hours one day helping move.
But you know, it's it's cool. I get the big
football stadiums like I enjoy. You know, Penn State has
one of them, and uh, there are others Michigan games.

(01:29:31):
I like watching Ohio State obviously, you know there are
teams that I will watch over others, so like every weekend,
but I'm not like a college football junkie or anything
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
I'll do some mation if you let me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Well, I know that's big a Fox Sports The Gambler
a lot of the college football. Nobody does college football
the way Fox Sports The Gambler does it, by the way.
But uh, yeah, I've heard like Max and all that stuff.
Oh yes, Pa, pack twelve pack after dark. It packed
one after dark is always is lit too. So are
they still a conference?

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
They just I think it technically is so they just
don't know what the hell is going on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Two or three years, they'll have more people coming in
to kind of rebuild it, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Yeah, But as of right now, I don't know what's
going on with the Pact Football Conference. Yes, but that's
all the notes I had.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Brewers are up five to three, bottom of the air.
Oh okay, they just hit two homers against the mess
Yeah all right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Well that's all the notes I had from this show.
I don't know if you had any.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
I do have a lot more. Well maybe maybe not
a lot. Uh That Intercontinental Championship tournament that had Faruk
and owen Hart in the finals might have been the
worst tournament that you've ever seen. Wow, one two three
for four disqualifications in the whole tournament and one two

(01:30:55):
three four five six seven matches, So four disqualifications, seven matches.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
That's more than half.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Fuk lost to Ken Shamrock in the first round, but
Ken Shamrock busted his lung up, so Fuke moved on
even though he lost to Ke, and he beat Met
Johnson in the semifinals. So by DQ. Owen Hart beat
Brian Pellman in the semifinals. Oh my god, Owen Hart

(01:31:24):
beat Faruke in the finals by Penn because stone cold
Steve Austin. It's just one of the worst tournaments I've
ever seen, so obviously it was just to wind up
putting the belt back on Austin, who just forfeited to
put it on Rocky my Via. So yeah, this whole
IC title pitcher was kind of crazy at this time,

(01:31:46):
but you know, Austin's injury pretty much was the reason
for it. So I can't go two nuts. But man,
they could have done at least a little something better
with that tournament. It was just like a sham of
a tournament. For DQ's seven matches, that is pretty terrible.
The poster I want to talk about the poster the

(01:32:07):
Undertaker holding his own head.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Never understand that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Never understood that. By the way, there is an article
from ww dot com back from twenty thirteen Tune thirteenth,
twenty thirteen ten absolute worst pay per view posters ever,
and this one was on there even though I like it.
He should have just been holding Sean's head. I don't

(01:32:31):
know why they didn't do that, But here's the article
is a paragraph. Wait a second, how do you explain
this one? Did the Undertaker have bad blood with himself?
Is that why he chopped his off his own head?
Or maybe Kane, who debuted this event, severed his brother's
head and then handed it to the Dead Man to
display for this poster's photoshoot. Either way, if the Undertaker's

(01:32:53):
head was removed, why does he still have one on
his body? Did the Undertaker have two heads? Or maybe
he possesses the astounding ability to regenerate heads. The head
certainly doesn't look like it's decomposed, so why is it
there blood dripping from it? The name, the name of
the page has blood in the name, And where's the

(01:33:13):
hell in the cell which made his first appearance at
this event? Or even just Sean Michaels, who the Undertaker
had all the bad blood with. Wow, we just have
no earthly idea what is happening here? Also, why is
he in the woods? So w w w E dot com?

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
How do Vince McMahon let somebody just cook him in
his artistic vision like that on his own website? They
cooked him real, cooked him up, real nice salted flambayed
the whole thing. Man on his own site cooked him up.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
It's still there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
That slot.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
It was written by Zach Linder and Kevin Powers for
anyone out there wondering.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Like this right from what this is? Who thought this
was a good idea? I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
I did not read the rest, but yeah I had
to because I was searching. I was searching for, like, uh,
just a poster in general, and usually I just go
to images, but I saw like ten absolute worst paper
view posters.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
All the time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
I'll click on it because I thought it was like
a random wrestling website. I didn't know it was dot
com until I clicked the link. I was like, wait,
wait a second, so yeah, it really do it? Really?

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Do I really?

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
I really love I love the background, the purple sky
in the woods, like I do like that for especially October.
I always loved the October November uh like images that
they would use because it would always be like, you know,
Halloween esque or Thanksgiving esque or dark and dreary as
the winter approaches. I really liked those, and I liked

(01:35:03):
this pay per view poster for sure, just didn't Undertaker
holding his own head just still doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
But yeah, and also the like the photo they use,
like the photoshop job isn't good, right, it looks weird,
So yeah, I think it probably should have been.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
I believe it's a there's a picture of Undertaker posing
like this with a gold dust mask. Uh, so I
believe it's from that, and they just you know, instead
of holding the gold dust mask, it's his own heads,
so it must have been from man, well, he's wearing
his current gear, so it wasn't when he was wearing

(01:35:45):
the purple So yeah, I don't. I don't know bad,
just that I saw a similar pose. That's why I
was like, oh, maybe it's from that, but whatever, but uh.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Also at this point, Sean Michaels was such a better
heel than Brett Hart at this so, like, you just
know the writings on the wall from Brett at this point,
what position did he have in thiss w w F
moving forward. I mean, you just don't see it. You
just don't see it. That's why I always thought, you know,

(01:36:18):
Vince was like, Okay, we'll give Brett the title at SummerSlam,
and then we'll push them out of the company by
the turn of you know, when the rumble hits, and
then Austin will be our champion and we're gonna move
move into this attitude thing. I just never thought once
Vince made the decision to go in this direction, it
could have been in the summer of ninety seven or

(01:36:39):
before that, the spring you just knew Brett was again
as outspoken as he was against the product adult themed product.
Is like, all right, well then I'm tired of hearing
you get out. I just I think he I think,
I just it makes too much sense for like, why
would you signed him? And then all of a sudden

(01:37:02):
just be like, all right, I can't, I can't honor
your contract. You gotta go get your deal from WCW's
Why would you do that if you willingly didn't have
knowingly didn't have like a creative vision ahead ahead of you,
Like you're not just gonna let Brett go without a
plan type thing. So I just thought Brett wasn't in
his plans. But it's just after that Raw, it's like

(01:37:26):
Brett didn't really have that fire at all. Like even
in his promos you can just kind of see like
he's defeated.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
The light dye in his eyes. He did it. Bulldogs
felt with Bulldogs at one night only.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
It really felt like it. But yeah, we had the
red ropes were back. That was great. No more red,
white and blue for those four weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
For whatever reason, you gotta so called bad blood, you
gotta have red ropes. Be interesting. What they do this weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Yeah, I feel like I don't think they're ever gonna
change the ropes again.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Unfortunately, I don't even know what they look like by
now what color are they? They white for every show
for every show.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
I was like, maybe NXT you'll have different, but now
it's still white. But whatever. By the way, on Raw,
they had the they gimmicked the ring because of the
last monster standing. Yeah yeah, yeah, like that's a good look. Like, well,
I don't know why do you need the l ed
ring post? I don't understand it. It looks fine the

(01:38:33):
way it was.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
But technology, we don't technology for who for what? I
don't know what does sponsorship do? Actually sponsorship spot too,
don't forget that. It's give you a sponsorship please, sponsorship activation.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Just saying I'd rather just have a do Matt with
the whole sponsor all over it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
They're gonna they're gonna do that at some point. They
definitely do it. They did it for Summer Slam. Uh
you'll see it again, don't worry whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
But that's lost. So we're gonna have a game three
in that series. Oh right, Padres are up five to
two on the braves and the sixth inning, So all right,
that's that. Uh what else? What else?

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
What else?

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
I thought the attendant was pretty good for that time
period to twenty one thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
I mean yeah, big crowd, like that's what they announced.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
They were not dying, they were not you know, close
to being bank rubbed, none of that stuff. So uh, yes,
talks about the title the uh. I was very surprised
with the finish of the DOA Break was because the
crowd was so into it. I was like, oh, this
match is gonna be the worst match of the night.
But because of that crowd reaction, I decided not to

(01:39:45):
make it my worst match of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
So if you don't liked A, Man, I don't know why.
I don't know why neither. I mean I think I
know why, but I ain't gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Say you with uh, but just it. Just a few
short months, Crush would be part of the nWo and WW,
so that didn't really have a long shelf like at all, Man,
But what could have been? What could have been for
the d A.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
I think Crush joining the nWo over the DA might
not be a terrible decision.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
I don't know. No, No, dude, w CW was still going,
you know, Like, I don't blame him for leaving, but
he left it the wrong time. If you wanted to
be part of the Hot brand, maybe maybe Crush moving
over to w WS will kill them. Oh Man, who knows?
But yeah, that's all I got, man for the time.

(01:40:43):
A great show, great main.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Event, great main event, an amazing main event. We spent
a lot of time on it, and rightfully so, but
our time is up here for episode four oh eight.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
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(01:41:15):
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