February 11, 2025 • 54 mins
Join us as we have an update email from Vinnie Vincent with sad news on Mark St. John’s sister. Then we review KISS’ classic album? Animalize! Plus all the pop culture events of the era as only Bill Wang can deliver!
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Mark as Played
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
It's us again, Paul Stanley, Eric Carr, Roberto Casablanca, the
wife guy, Mark Saint John's girls and guys, especially girls
Mark Saint John.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And how your guitar there? He is high Australia.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
So Mark, when you were asked to join the group,
I mean, what were.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Your first thoughts?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I asked this to Eric that three years ago, four
years ago, that was very flattered, was really more than
happy to come to New.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
York and settle in here with the guys and starting
a career.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
There was a there was an initiation.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I hate what it was.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
He didn't tell you about. That's why I swam.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
We were doing uh Juan alkord Park a chance to
play bass on a fighter, that's what you just to
make him feel good, and because he was talked enough
to do the part, and he was doing it, and
I was sitting next to him in the control room
and Gene was right next to me, and he played
like a passing note going into a urge coming out
(01:09):
of the chorus. And then they stopped to tape, you know,
to take a list, and I said, you know that
there was a note in there that sounded wrong, and
and you know, they started got really like defense of
an arrogant right away. And I said, look, I understand,
you know, I played guitar. I understand music. I said,
the note itself, maybe the correct note that fits, you know,
passing through the chord. I said, but to my ear,
(01:31):
it sounds like a mistake. People may think it's a mistake.
And and quote unquote, he goes, how the fuck would
you know you're a player? Jokes you don't know what
the fuck you're talking about, Okay, And this is asked
of being in the band for like three weeks, you know.
And Jeane just like almost fell out of his chair,
and he tried to be real nice and you know,
diplomatic about it. I walked out of the room because
(01:52):
I was gonna kill Mark and I don't want to
touch him. Uh, And I went to the other room,
and then Jean came in like two seconds later with
his mouth and his eyes like full the thing out
of the cold. We couldn't believe it, you know, but
it would kind of like building up for a while.
So we pulled him into the room and get them
home without.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Them having joining kids. I mean, you come up with
your own ideas that.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, most of the time.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Yeah, the group contributation to most.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Of this because going back to sort of like when
a group becomes so established, they have their own set
ideas and productions. For Mark is real humble, He's just
going to sit here and tell you that he's a
nice guy, and it just happens naturally. The great thing
about Marc is usually puts the springers on the guitar,
and that does they're talking for him.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Thanks animalize. I guess it's probably you know, there's so
many people who are trying to reach this high plane
of existence, you know, and reading the eat shing or
trying to figure out, you know, what the dirt and
enable means. And basically what we're trying to say is
people have to animalize. People have to take a couple
of steps backwards. Everybody's forgetting that they're human beings and
(02:56):
trying to become machines or human beings just evolved from.
So let's make like the Monkeys.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Is compared to Lick It Up?
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Is it a continuation?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Does it Lick it Up? Part two?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Is it substantially different? I think it's better. I think
the material is better. I think the playing is a
lot better, and the singing is a lot better. And
I was real pleased with Lick It Up for.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
What it was.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You know, I think Animalizers like Lick it Up better realized.
You know, you try to take each album, make it
a better version of the one before. I mean, all
I'm trying to do, and what we want to do
is perfect. What we do. I think Animalizes is real good.
Marks playing Mark Saint John is. I mean, it's just
(03:42):
killer guitar playing. I mean I listened to that album
and I hyperventilate when it's over. Well, since you bring
up Mark, tell us how you joined the band. Last
time we know about Kiss Many visit was in the band.
Now there's a new number of Mark Stance John. But
it's interesting, I mean obviously, I mean I don't like
to see people come and go. I'd like, you know,
I like things to stabilize. This is what makes rock
(04:03):
and roll so much fun, is the unpredictability of it all.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Man, if you're not having fun, then you shouldn't be
doing it. That's Derek Carr. That's brutal brutles back there.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
In case you missed a little before.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Paul Stanley, this is Jean Zi. We're kiss what more
could you want on television? I never thought we were
going to get on here.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
My brother used to do ghost guitar works for a
Kiss right like that, Paul asked me to come in
and do some ghost guitar works, you know. So Paul
called me to do some work like you know, ghost
guitar they call it, and you're not going to get credited.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And he liked what I played very odd.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
He goes, my hair was probably about this length. Go oh,
of course bigger back then. But he said, don't cut
your hair on.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I was like, why'd you tell me?
Speaker 6 (04:45):
I'm just doing a session for the band.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I thought it was odd.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
And within about six weeks I get a call from
the Kiss office. You know, we need you to help
out and go to Europe with us for the Animalized
or you know, it might be you might do a
whole tour for six.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Weeks or just a few weeks, depending.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
On you know, Mark's health and if they can get
him back to join them, you know. And then in
the end I did all of Europe and then I.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Started to rehearse for the.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
American tour of Analyize Big Hit Heaven's on Fire right,
and Mark came out with me, and they wanted to
test him.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Which was very unique.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I mean, think of that, you actually have your you know,
the guy whose job it's supposed to be. But he's
just gonna watch and learn so that they can then
insert him, you see.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
And in the end they did. They let him play
the first half of the show and I.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Finished the show, and then they let him play the
second half of the show.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I started the show, and then they let him do
a whole show, and then they sent him home.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
And that's how I got the gig.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Hey, it was do like you're watching The Sinking Way Show,
thinking wings David.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Thinking standly, hear people and listen, it's time for another episode.
I'm the Thinking Wag Show. Oh Mad Wang, dude, Wang
bro And this kind of sucks. This is kind of
a bummer, man, because we got to start to show
off on a sad note. But but y'all know that
(06:55):
we've been talking about Mark Saint John's sister and Wang's
been in in contact with the liaison and we're supposed
to have her on. I mean, I don't even really
know much about this, but Wang's gonna fill us in
right now. Whang, Whang, how you doing man, and let's
just get over the bad news as quick as possible.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah man, you know, hey, hey, stinkings down and hey everybody,
how's it going, man, Welcome to our show. Yeah man,
it's very depressing and sad.
Speaker 9 (07:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I built a really close relationship to Mark Saint John's sister,
and she's a big fan of our podcasts and everything.
So it was very, very, very depressing and sad when
I got an email from Vinnie Vincent. Everybody knows I
have contact with Vinnie Vincent. It's not as much as
it used to be, but Vinnie Vincent Jesus Christ. So
(07:49):
I got an email just not too long ago, a
few days back, literally a couple of days ago, Vinnie Vincent.
Vinny Vincent sent me an email on Wednesday, January twenty ninth,
two point fifteen Pacific Standard time, and this is what
it says. It says, Bill Wang. Unfortunately, I have some
horrible news to share with you. On Sunday, January twenty sixth,
(08:14):
Mark Saint John's sister passed away from injuries she suffered
from a skiing accident in the in her beloved Tahoe region.
I'm devastated, with a heavy heart kiddie. Vincent.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Wow, bro, man, Man, we've been trying, you've been You've
been trying forever to get her on. Man, we've been
building this up. Man, what the hell?
Speaker 9 (08:40):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I know, Man, it's horror fic. It's terrible. I guess
she was really a big skier and everything, and anybody
knows anything about Tahoe, there's magnificent ski resorts and everything.
So yeah, but I'm just grateful that Vinnie Vincent reached
out to me and let me know the bad news.
And you know, you know, I don't know what else
to say. It's you know, I'm shocked. I'm shocked. It
(09:03):
seems like everybody's dying. And Mark Saint John's sister was well,
this was the salt of the earth, and uh.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Just one of the good ones, just one of the Yeah,
we didn't know too much about her, but did you
know anything about her past or anything? Like, didn't she
did she serve in the military or something? I don't know.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know, there's conflicting reports. I personally never just spoke
to her about her military engagement in history and and
and whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Wasn't she like in some type of secret ops or something.
Speaker 9 (09:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's very secret, man, very secret.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah. Well, Vinnie Vincent did give me subliminal vibes about
that in the past and everything, where he'd say certain things,
you know, the Seal team, you know, Seal.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Whoa really whoa? Holy cow? Don't yeah, yeah, don't quo Yeah,
oh wow, I didn't know it was that that wow.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's very intense ship. But uh,
that's neither here nor there. The whole thing is we
loved Mark Saint John's sister. God bless her soul.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Uh yeah, man, rest in peace, I mean God, She's
supposed to share some demo never heard before demos or
something too.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, as you recall if you remember, she had the
demos of the White Denny White Dinny the White Pipe.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Well you know what, you know what, that's that's our
I mean, you got anything else about this because.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Don't no, I don't, but you know you you got
some information.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah yeah, because that was a perfect segue into what
I want to talk about real quick before we before
we get into the album at hand, Mark Saint John.
I want to talk about Mark Saint John's you know,
post kiss career, because after Animalized Man, he did quite
a few things that I was very surprised though. Obviously
(11:02):
in nineteen eighty five, speaking of the White Tigers White
White demos, you know, he was in a band called
White Tiger in nineteen eighty five, and he did that
just till about like nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty eight. Now,
supposedly in nineteen eighty eight he did some demos with
Jeff Scott Soto, who we all know sang for ing
(11:25):
Bay and various other.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
People and down the Trilogy album right.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Uh, no, I think he was on the he was
marching out in the first one. Yeah, he was the
original singer for Ingbay.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Maybe maybe trilogy. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, I believe so, I could be wrong. I look ahead.
Speaker 9 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And then then after that, in nineteen ninety he played
get this. He played on this famous Vocal Coaches song
Living for My Lord off the album as to Grind. Now,
this famous Vocal Coach is related. He's a cousin of
(12:13):
a very famous singer. His name is Ted Tamplin, and
he does these Vocal Coach things online. And he supposedly
got busted for lipstaking while he's doing vocal coaching. Yeah yeah,
but he's related. He's a cousin of a very famous
(12:36):
singer Wang. Do you know who that singer is?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Uh no, I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
He ruined one of our favorite fans during the late eighties.
He came in and took over for one of the
greatest front men of all time and just ruined that band.
Who am I talking about?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Rock?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He replaced him with Sammy Hagar.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yes, yes, this guy is supposed to please Sammy Hagar's
cousin and he won't let you forget it because he's
always mentioned it anyway. Yeah, but anyway, yeah yeah, Mark
Saint John played with this guy, Ken Tamplon Yeah, Ken
Tamplin and you know he's he's really hot right now
because he's got that uh drama going on with the
(13:19):
lip syncing. So but anyway, moving on, Mark Saint John
also worked with former Night Riders star David Hasselhoff.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Don't bus with the Hop, Yes he did, Can you
believe that? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
He even appeared in a music video with David Hasselhoff,
which you know I'll.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
Be putting in right here, you know, check it.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Out, man, he's he's playing with David Hasselhoff on this song.
Is everyone happy?
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Oh? Man crazy?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, man so. But then in nineteen ninety he made
a demo with none other than the original Catman Peter
Chris in a band called The Keep, which was essentially
White Tiger with Peter Cris on drums.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Oh that's pretty.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Cool, yeah, man, yeah, yeah. And then and then then
there was you know, and then to back it up
in White Tiger Man. He was in White Tiger, he
had members David Donato on vocals, who joined Black Sabbath
replaced in Ian Gillen, but was fired in nineteen eighty
(14:30):
five after recording some demos with the band for reasons unknown.
There man yeah, and then he played his brother played
bass in White Lion, Michael Norton. And then on drums
he had Brian James Fox, who was also in a
band called Silent Rage, a band whose second album was
(14:52):
was done by none other than Simmons Records. Now, is
this some incestuous stuff or what it's like?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Crazy? Man provoking crazy?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
It's crazy. And then and then to end it all unfortunately,
you know, while in jail for possession of drug paraphernalia.
Mark was brutally beaten and and was stabbed with pencils
by a group of up to twenty inmates for allegedly
stealing crackers from another inmate's property.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Pop I mentioned that on the past episode.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah yeah, crazy circuit bro.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, and and and just to interject her brother to jail.
The jail was called, Oh god.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
I don't know the jail name. Maybe we'll put it
on the screen here.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
You know it is a man.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I I okay, I'll put I'll put it on the
screen here.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Wang yeah, something about THEO something but I know it's
in Santa Monica.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But but anyway, Mark died several months later.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Here hold on, brother man. He was at. This happened
at the THEO lacy t h E O l A
C Y Jalen, Orange County.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
There you go, oh okay, cool, well not cool but Mark.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We got the stats and it's correct.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But cool. But Mark unfortunately died several months later from
a brain hemorrhage. His girlfriend said he was unrecognizable from
the vicious beating which she which she believed was a
direct result for his death. She also said Mark told
her he had snitched on a drug dealer several years earlier,
(16:41):
and believed he'd be attacked in in if this became
known by inmates. He told her this is he told
her this just a couple of days before the attack.
So unfortunately, that's how Mark met his demise. Man, So
that's pretty sad, bro. It's it's a shame, man.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It's a travesty.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
It is.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's a travesty all the way around.
Speaker 9 (17:06):
And now this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Unfortunate accident with his uh, you know, beloved sister.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just the the Norton family
has been just just nothing. But you know that tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, tragedy.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, yeah, man, Yeah, it's it's it's a travesty, man,
it is a travesty. But anyway, let's let's talk about
the good times, d Wang. Let's talk about the good
times that Mark Saint John had when he got discovered
by Kiss and they brought him in as their guitar
(17:44):
player on this great album Animalized. Wang. Let's have the stats, bro.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, man, here's the stats. We're gonna be positive from
this point fourward. There's a couple of negative moments that's
coming up, but we're generally speaking, we're all positive. So
the out came out supposedly air quotes on September seventeenth,
nineteen eighty four. And why I say supposedly because that
was a Monday. Okay, that was a Monday. And in
(18:12):
the book Kicks Behind the Mass, that's the September thirteenth,
and that was a I believe that was any I'll
get to that night, but anyway, so yeah, so it
was produced by Paul Stanley, Chris Meada Minto. Excuse me,
(18:35):
Chris Minto was the engineer. And then there's some sort
of connection with Michael James Jackson and I'll get that
in one of the songs and whatnot. But it was
recorded at Right Track Recording Studios in New York City.
The album was released on Mercury Records and went to
number nineteen on the Billboard two hundred and it has
(18:57):
gone platinum obviously. And then of course Paul Stanley guitar,
Jeans Simmons bass, Eric Carr drones, Mark Saint shown guitar,
and then Bruce Culic played a guitar solo on Lonely
is the Hunter I make I bring up I have
a quote from Bruce Culic about that and coming up
(19:17):
and then yeah, he.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Just he just did a bumper for us, as we
just saw in our Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
We love Bruce Culick, Thank you, brother. That yeah Bruce, Yeah,
Bruce Culick all the way, man, we love the fucker.
And then the opening guitar part of Murder and High Heels.
I saw the tour and seeking Stanley put the ticket
stuff coming up here. I saw the tour on February ninth,
(19:44):
nineteen eighty five at the Henry J. Henry J. Kaiser
Convention Center, which maybe ten years before was called the
Oakland Convention Center. Queens Reich opened the show and that
was on They're.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Warning, oh man, lucky you.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, I'm the warning tour.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Lucky you. Man. I almost saw this tour, but my
parents I was still at the age my parents wouldn't
quite let me go to concerts yet.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Really, brother, I've said that at nauseam. But and just
just just for the record, mark Saint John God rest
his soul. He passed away on April fifth of two
thousand and seven at the age of fifty one years old.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Wow, that's what I said. It was going to be positive. Okay,
that's the last part of negativity, So now we're going
to be positive. So on September seventeenth, nineteen eighty four,
the year of Our Lord, the number one TV show
in America. What do you think it was?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Number one TV show at nineteen eighty four? Would it
be night Rider? No?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
No, no, it was the Dynasty.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh my god, Dynasty these freaking these late nights soap
opers man, Dynasty, Dallas.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Can you name the number two?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Uh? Dallas?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Gods?
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Hell? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Oh yeah, brother Man? Okay, the number one movie in
the United States of America, Me and sinking Stanley's Country.
That anyway, anyways, a lot of shit going on in
our country to Canada. We're sorry, Mexico. We don't give
a fuck. Uh anyways. The number one song, Oh no,
(21:38):
you know, so the number one this season? You can
guess the number one song in America on the Billboard
one hundred pop charts as it were on September seventeenth,
nineteen eighty four. What are you doing? Give me a dyce?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I have no idea, broa where I wake me up
before we go go? I don't know it's.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
A good one. No, it was the song Missing You,
Missing You. I used to always Missing You by John
Wayne from The Babies. Baby fans love that song, man,
and that's a good song. And the number one album
in the United States of America, which basically took that
huge was the brilliant album by Prince called Purple Rain.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Wow. Awesome, Man, I love I love Prince Man. Fuck
all the Prince Vaders out there, man, they can go
fuck themselves. Man, I love, I love Prince. I'm a
very dig I mean, I'm not no super fan, but
I'm a casual fan. But I love that album. Man,
I love the Matthew got to respect him. Yeah, man, tell.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Ye and then a real fast I know not to
keep repeating myself, but the Super Bowl Champs of the
nineteen eighty four season was the sand Prince Cisco forty
nine ers. The NBA champs in nineteen eighty four were
the my Boston Celtics Larry Bird Boston Celtic.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
We beat the Lakers. Hell yeah, I remember that. I
was watching basketball at that time.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Oh right on, brother lay right one. And then the
World Series champs that year were the Detroit Tigers. Cool
and if anybody the baseball the seam Heads as we're called,
everybody remembers that the beginning, there's no notes terrible. At
the beginning of the nineteen eighty four baseball season, the
Detroit Tigers win. Don't quote me people, okay, but just astronomical.
(23:38):
They were like thirty five and five. But anyways, they
went off to win the World Series and the Stanley
Cup champions that year. There of ourlard. Nineteen eighty four
was the great Wayne Gretzky's edmintem oilers. So they go brother.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Man cool man, alright, man, alright, getting back to animalized
one one, I'll make a one more negative comment. Man,
This album cover suck man. Why did they get lazy
on that album cover? Man, Oh my god, it's terrible,
all that animal prints. But hey man, hey, it's it's
(24:16):
a sign of the times. That was the that was
the thing back then when everybody's wearing like zebra and
leopard and cheetah bandanas and shirts and shoes and oh man,
it was Oh, it was horrific.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, it was borderling apocalyptic. I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I wanted nothing to do with that. Was you never
saw me with any.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Animal brind man.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I thought I thought that she was leave as hell.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think the only thing more lazy than that Animalized
album cover was Gene Simmons compositions.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well we'll get into that. Oh all right then you
ready to get up? Still trying to take this cough
every but anyway, Wang, you ready to get into this?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Fuck yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Hell yeah. Track one, I've Had Enough Into the Fire
Paul Stanley with a Desmond Child team up again and
uh yeah, man, I freaking love it.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's just a fast, fast song with Mark Saint John
ripping on the solos.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I love the bridge man where he's like, wish it
and hope and we'll get you nothing. I love that
shit man. But uh yeah, man, I've Had Enough. Into
the Fire is freaking awesome.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
What an album opener? Wang, what do you think of
I've Had Enough?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah? And before I get into I've Had Enough, I'm
I'm gonna read it just a couple of quotes, as
it were. This is from I've used this, you know
a lot. From The Kiss Behind the Mask book copyright
two thousand and three by David Leaf and Ken Sharp
(26:05):
and by the Kiss Catalog Ltd. And AOL Time Warner Company.
Now on this fabulous book that I love so much
and I also love everybody knows The Kiss and Cell Book,
copyright nineteen ninety seven, C. K. Lent. But here's a
couple of things. Here's a couple of delusional, fucking quotes
Paul Stanley. Paul Stanley says about the overall rating of Animalized,
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Paul Stanley. I quote their sentence here. It says, I'd
give Animalized four out of five chopskicks. It's a better
album than Lick It Up.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Wow, man, he is chop sticks?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, right here in Claire's Day, Yeah, and then and
then Pane Simmons says, it's more delusion. I like Animalize,
though a little more than Lick it Up. You know,
no wrong answer, They're wrong answer. But I've had enough Stanley,
uh and Desmond Child that's a kiss ass, heavy ass rocker,
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Mark Saint John going batshit crazy. Well, that's solo and
the and the cool thing about this is, and I
was unaware of this before doing extensive research, is Paul
Stanley played bass on this song. And he did a
really good job. I like his bass plan.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Did he did?
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah? And I give it yeah. I give this ship
five out a five TOPSI.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Hell, yeah, man, I've had enough. Was awesome, all right, man?
Moving on to number two, the big hit, the big hit,
Heaven's on Fire, another Stanley and Desmond child composition, and
I freaking hate this song. God, I can't stand this
song man. I haven't liked it since day one.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
But I will give him credit.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Man, that opening, that opening.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
Uh you know.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Vocal thing he does is freaking for Domino.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Man.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
That that's epic.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't do that ship right now,
but that's awesome. Mad, But no, I can't stand this song.
I think it's so simple and lazy songwriting. I always
skip it way overrated and overplayed. And yeah, other than that, Wang,
what do you think of Heaven's on Fire?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I want to tell you what Paul Stanley said before
I tell you about what I said.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Oh, I know what he's gonna say. He loves this man,
this is Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well, he says I was striving for simplicity. Desmond and
I wrote that. Desmond and I wrote that at his house.
There was a lot of people who liked that song
because I've heard it since on a whole lot of albums,
on different with different titles. It was a track and
listening to it where I did wonder if it was
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too simple, but I love it. So he's implying that
people basically copied it and made songs of their own
about that. But anyways, that's neither here neither. It went
to number fourteen on on the Billboard One. It was
a lot bigger hit on MTV by far written as
I said, nothing to repeat myself Paul Stanley and Desn't Child. Personally,
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I like it a little bit more new, do I know?
And there's this one guy out there that always like, oh,
you said this on a podcast, and you know blom
ten billion years ago. Now this is what I'm talking
all the ship is how I feel about it right.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Now, not today today, right now basically.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
No, like I said, it was on MTV, hell a lot.
It's a simple, goofy song, but I don't think it sucks.
I'm gonna give it two and five chips. This blah
blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Wow, all right, man, Number three, Burn bitch, burn Wang.
Why don't you go ahead and take burn bitch burn first?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
My goodness, grazios. Yeah, burned, it's durned. Uh, Gene Simmons.
Let me tell you first of all, I'll tell you
I don't really have much to say it. It's a
This song is terrible, but Mark six Saint John's solo
is there, So there's that one out of five chopstick
Gene Simmons. So, Gene Simmons recites lyrics He says, when
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love rears its head, I gonna get in your case.
I want to get on your case. I want to
put my log in your fireplace. The whole notion of sex.
They're silly for all the trouble we have to go
through getting some nookie. I did it out for the niokie,
for the rookie. It's so much ado about nothing. We
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all enjoy it, and guys are willing to get in
fights about it, and girls will do anything torture us
lipstick and high heels to keep our interests. And uh,
like I said, it's it's it's it's fucking shitty, dude.
I hate it. But it's not a half a chopstick
and it's not it's not a zero chopsick, probably because
of the uh, you know, Mark Saint John's interesting playing
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on it. So yeah, that's what I think about. What
that's what myself and gene'sn't even think about.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Burn bitch drunk Wow, well, uh, I kind of got
I kind of got a different opinion. I think it
gets a lot of hate, but I still dig it. Man,
it's a fun song. It's got that killer crunchy guitar
rip which is actually played by Jane himself. Jean played
all the guitar on this except the leave. Yeah, it's
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got cheesey lyrics, but who cares. The music is badass.
I mean, it's got a cool guitar solo by Mark.
You must note Paul's backup vocals coming through, you know,
so when he's like, oh yeah, yeah, man. Like I said, Man,
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the song gets a lot of hate, but I think
it's fun.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It gives me a laugh, man, it just gives me
a good laugh. And I like the crunching of it.
So there you go, man, burn bitch burn.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Oh there you go.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
There you go, man. But all right, moving on to
get all you can take.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
This is written by Stanley and Mitch Wiseman, and uh
it's got a Jean beauvar on base. Yeah from the Plasmatics,
that black guy.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
With the mohawks.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, man, he's pretty cool man. I just met him
recently at Kiss Cancer Goodbye. But yeah, but mentioning Jean.
We also got to say how this this album animalized
coincide with the release of Wendy Oh Williams Wow album,
which was released around the same time, which.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
No one who said the unofficial Kiss album.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yes, exactly because it has everybody. It has Ace on there,
It's got Paul and Paul Road songs, Gene, Yeah, that's
it's got Kiss all over Eric Carr, but yeah, yeah,
Windio Williams Wow album came out around this time. It's
My life and all that. So, but get All you
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can think? Man, it's got a cool drum intro. I mean,
I love this song. Man, It's kind of funky with
some rapping lyrics, cool and different song. I think it's
a unique, unique kiss song. And uh it's the first
time Kiss put fucking their lyrics with what fucking difference
does it make? So yeah, kiss, He's in the F
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word and a kiss song. Finally, what the hell? But Wang,
what do you think of this song?
Speaker 9 (33:42):
Get All you Can take?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
It's another terrible song, probably equally as terrible as burn
Bitch Burn. I gave it one chop six and you
know it is what it is and just real past
I got a sentence of two. So Paul stanleyon in
this book, Kiss behind the Masks, David Leeveman, Kim Trump
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just a real a sentence, Paul Stanley working with Mark
Saint John on Animalized was a challenge Mark Saint John.
I wasn't a Kiss fan. I never had any other albums.
Oh yeah, totally man, but yeah, yeah one out of
five chopsticks, I'm not really king of it. And uh,
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there you go, man, ba ba ba.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
All right man. Moving on the track number five halfway
through the album, Slowly is the Hunter another Simmons track,
uh from one of the first songs on the album
to feature Bruce Culick, Bruce's first appearance on a Kiss
album doing the solo. It's an okay song, not a favorite,
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but Bruce pulls off the cool solos what did I
say here? Cool?
Speaker 9 (35:04):
Cool here?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And Paul's back back up. The vocals come through again
on the chorus. Other than that, the song really doesn't
do much for me. How about you, Wang, what do
you think of Lonely is the Hunter?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Before I get that and I have a Bruce Pulick,
the Great Bruce pulic quote. But on January ninth, speaking
of nineteen eighty four. On January ninth of nineteen eighty four,
the Brilliant Van Hanley nineteen eighty four album.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Was released, Hell Yeah Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
On January thirteenth of nineteen eighty four, the Brilliant Judas
Priest Defenders of the.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Face was released Oh Yeah, Wow.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah Yeah, and then one more. On January twenty seventh,
nineteen eighty four of the Year of Our Lord, Michael
Jackson was rushed to the hospital after catching his fire
catching on fire filming.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
A pepsi for.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I remember that.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
A little bit of the ship. But yeah, lonely as
a hunter. I'd give it a half a top stick
out of five.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Nobody does nobody. You're just right to half a tough stick.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
No disrespect the Bruce Kuli the solo is badass. And
here's Bruce Cully talking about Lonely as the hundred Bolt.
I went down to do a ghost guitar thing like
my brother used to do with Kiss. Paul was the
only one there. He asked me if I had a
guitar with a Floyd Roy Rose on it, which I
just did get He played me some of.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
The tracks Heaven's on Fire on. He played me some
of the tracks Heaving a Fire. He wanted to show
me the vibe of the record. It went very quickly.
It was a lot of fun, no stress at all.
I didn't so on lonely.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
As the Hunter. I also played guitar and murder in
High Hills, a couple of pag lines at the very end. So,
uh you know, I always always want to give Bruce
cult credit and the baddest motherfucker. He's so fu cool.
May not awesome, I may not like all those Kiss
albums and everything, but uh you know, I like I've said,
we'll get to eventually with revenge, but but I always
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respected his guitar playing like I said, a half hatifi
chop sticks and I'll take the next one Under the gun.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Okay, cool Under.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
The Gun written by Paul Stanley, Eric Carr, and Desmond Child,
and my notes were, this is more like it go
Paul Mark Saint John's going batshit crazy again and it's fun.
It's a lot of fun, man, So I give this
ship four to five. Chop sis.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Hell, Yeah, man under the gun, dude, and it's got
John blou Bar on bass again. This is great fast
kiss man, like the like the animalized, uncensored the live concert. God,
they were fucking pleasing fast man. Yeah, this song is
just the epitome of that. I mean, this song is awesome.
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You know they're Jesus. It's I just I just love
this man. There's no speed limit where I come from.
Let's hit the way to.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
It's sixty nine. Oh god, man, But uh Mark Saint
John does another killer solo.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And at the end, after we're done with the after
we're done with doing this album, I gotta I gotta
say a little theory I have about this whole guitar
player thing.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Oh cool.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So but anyway, let's move on to track number seven,
Thrills in the Night that they had a video for Wang.
Why don't you go ahead takeout Thrills of the Night.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah. It was released as a single in January thirteenth,
nineteen eighty four, year of our Lord Paul Stanley and
your boy Jeeves Bovier.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, the Plasmatics I didn't. I obviously I've seen I
saw the Creatures the night short speaking of this cat.
But here's here if you all remember that guy, I
remember Vinny, Oh yeah, any Vin. Anyways, I saw the
amazing Monkey Croup. But any was Yeah, Yeah, Thrills of
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the Night Your Boy Blow Me Up? Not a bad song.
Matter of fact, I kind of enjoy it. I give
this song three to five chapters.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Hell yeah, Thrills of the Night Man, I actually love it. Man,
I think I think it's a very cool, different kiss song.
It just has a different vibe with it. And and
Jean Bouvard did play bass on this track. I kind
of think that Thrills of the Night is kind of
like Paul's version of Naked City. So there's a hot
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take for you. But yeah, it's got a cool solo
credited to Mark, But if you ask me, I think
this solo sounds more like Bruce Keeling. Uh you know,
I'm I'm probably totally wrong. I don't know, but but
I think this has more of a Bruce clic vibe
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of the so on the solo than Mark Saint John's.
And my proof would be just watch the animalized uncensored version.
He plays the solo like perfectly. So yeah, there you go,
Frills of the Night Man. Yeah, all right, you ready
to move on to track number eight?
Speaker 9 (40:27):
Wang?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, Well the City Sleeps. But uh, I'm gonna be
real fast. I don't really have much to say about
Simmons and why spin lazy? Gene again, what's new? A
half acoustic kind of five? But I want to read
this little part of you know, the book I always
talking about. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So this is this is
funny as fuck's up. Uh, this is lent Uh, Chris
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lu saying the Animalized album, despite its strong showing, wasn't
enough for a knockout tour. Gene always asked me what
the attendance was that the show's just before he went
on stage one night. I told him the show had
really done well, that Hiss had sold over seven thousand
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tickets and a ten thousand seed arena. Gene Simmons, wok
do fucking you? Even played, sarcastic, turning to Paul, who
was standing beside him ready for the queue to take
the stage. It just shows you how warped things are
have gotten, Geene said, Now, I'm supposed to get excited
about seven thousand tickets being sold before we'd sell out
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the place, and not even get excited about it. Paul
grim face nodded his head slightly.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I love oh wow wow.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
And for the record, when I saw Kiss at the
Henry J. Kijak Invention Center. It was packed with clean Driver.
I mean it was like, yeah, but you know what
why it was packed is they get a half a
half thing, you know, I got.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
They closed off the.
Speaker 10 (42:05):
After and that regard it was a packed Yeah, so
they well, you know, I think you know, when they
took off the make up, man, they just had to
kind of rebuild themselves.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
And I think they did a pretty good job of
doing it. During the eighties, man, you know, they kept up.
They were all over in TV. You know, I went
to see him every chance I could, and I always
remember the show as being packed, you know, even if
they were playing like you know, Civic Centers and Ocean
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Centers and all that crap. But but yeah, man, while
the city sleeps. I've grown, honestly, dude. Back in the day,
this is where I would shut the album off after
Thrills of the Night. These last two songs I didn't
give a rat's ass about. But honestly, over the years,
as I've gotten older, I've grown. I've grown more fonder
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of this one over the years. But still to me,
it's a weak song.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, And Mark's and this is you know, Mark solo
started sound and all the same. It's towards you know,
I don't know, I did just I yeah, it's okay man.
So all right, man, you're ready to wrap this one
up with the last song on the album?
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I fucked up and I didn't.
I have a lot of these things. I'll just huge
a couple of them.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
So I'm go ahead, go ahead, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
So yeah. So on April first, nineteen eighty four, Marvin
Gaye Dice being shot by his father.
Speaker 9 (43:43):
Oh wow, that was fucked up.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, big time, man. I guess he was breaking up
or his parents. On June fourth, nineteen eighty four, Bruce Springsteen,
Born in the USA was released Not a Family, Huge
of them, and then yeah, And then on July seventeenth,
eighty four, the national minimum drinking age was passed, and
(44:08):
of course November sixth, nineteen eighty four, Walter Mondale got
absolutely destroyed by Ronald Reagan in the United States elections
to walk.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Hell yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Oh And then at December first, Eddie Murphy Beverly Hills
Cop came out and and then finally in closing on
December thirty first, nineteen eighty four, deaf lepperd drummer Rick
Allen lost his arm in an accident outside of Sheffield, England,
So they ouch, ouch, that's.
Speaker 9 (44:38):
Terrible, man, you know what those do you know what
those men?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
He lost his arm. But I gotta say this about
deaf Leffers, Man, how fucking cool are they to just
stand by you?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Man?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Amaze? They listen though, Man, they stand by every one
of their band members to the end, except for Pete Willis.
They gave Pete Willis, you know, they kicked him out. Yeah,
but but you know with with their drummer, man, he
lost his arms, they stuck with him. They came back
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with a killer album. They lost Steve Clark, they stuck
with him, put him through rehab.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I kind of you mean they came back with a
killer album Hysteria.
Speaker 9 (45:25):
Man, that was a killer That was a cool album.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Okay, well, I guess I guess we're gonna have to
review Hysteria pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Yeah, there you go. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
give any kicks on that. But we disagree on that.
But go ahead, Oh believe me.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I don't like I don't like the whole thing, but
there's there's a quite a bit of it.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I do enjoy Hey, dude, it doesn't matter what I think, It.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Doesn't matter. Bro's same man and this is but then recently,
most recently, you know, Vivian Campbell, their replacement guitarist has
been dealing with cancer, with cancer man, and dude, yeah, horrible,
terrible man. And and and they're sticking by him. Then.
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I mean, Death Leppard are just a great bunch of good,
good guys.
Speaker 9 (46:21):
Man.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
And you know my old guitar teacher, Paul Chapman, I
bring him up all the time, probably Annsium, but he
was really good friends with those guys. And I used
to I used to go to guitar lessons and there'd
be pictures.
Speaker 9 (46:35):
Of him on the wall with Steve Clark and Joe Elliott.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
It was so cool man, so cool. But anyway, getting
back to the last song on the album, number nine,
Murder and High Heels, Oh God, this song fucking sucks, dude.
Speaker 9 (46:50):
Chris Keelix solo.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Can't even save it. I mean, I just I don't know, man,
this song is practically unlistenable to me. Dwang, what do
you think of murdering how Heels? You know.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
You're set me up for the meat ball Man, you know,
I wrote, I wrote here complete dogs kid, Yeah, half
of a chopstick out of five.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
But but my I would have even given it a
soy sauce.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
Man.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Well you know that dollopoint. Some people would have not
but but but but but I do like that one
part where it goes anyways, there's just one little part
I like. I gave it a half of five chopsicks,
you know, And if you want to kill me on
it for giving it a half a chopstick, not you,
but the public. Yeah, he poured me back to Europe.
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I don't care. Fuck you.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I get to hear anybody that likes this sauce, we're
real man.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah uh yeah. But as closing, I would say I've
mentioned this on the podcast in the past. This album
was the last Kiss album this teenager bought with his
own money. It was it, even though I went.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
All the.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Tours after, but this was the last album I bought
with my own money. And then until I got tricked
and I don't want to shoot my watt until I
got tricked into buying Revenge because I heard Unholy And
that's that's yeah, right, story for another day.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
That's another review entirely I hear you absolutely revenge, Oh.
Speaker 9 (48:34):
My god, dude.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, I think people would be quite shocked. Are going
to be quite shocked with our Kiss Revenge episode.
Speaker 9 (48:41):
I got to feel it.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
When we get there.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Absolutely from now.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
But but yeah, man animalized for me. Honestly, you know,
I was in my you know, I think I was
like fourteen.
Speaker 9 (48:56):
Or whatever when this came out, but I was. I was,
honestly I was back then.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
I really didn't care that much for this album. I
listened to it because I felt I had to because
I was such a Kiss fan, right, So, but I
was really into other things at this time. Man, that's
what Metallica, you know, all you know, thrash fans were
coming up. You know, you had bands like Merciful, Fake King, Diamond,
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just all kinds of crazy other shit coming out that
I was getting into big times.
Speaker 9 (49:27):
And to me, this at that time, this was old hat.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
This was just they were, they were washed up to
me and I, you know, I always stayed loyal and
got the albums, whether I bought him or I got
it from a relative for Christmas or something or a birthday.
Speaker 9 (49:41):
But yeah, this is around the time I kind of
checked out a Kiss.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yeah, but you know a lot of people I've heard
that also, but you know, reflecting on it on the
real As far as me personally, I was saying, listen
to our Licking Up episode, Man, I fucking more that album.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Oh I loved lick it Up, Lock it Up, tell
a totally different story.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
No, no, I understand that, But I was. I still
had hope for this record, even though I'm like a
couple again, So so did.
Speaker 9 (50:12):
I, so did I.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I had hope.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Oh my God, put out another lick It Up. And
unfortunately Geene Simmons and Paul Sailey in the book I
Kiss behind Them and Ask Copyright two thousand and three,
I day believed again charm they oh it's better lick
it Up. No way, No, it happened, And.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I got theories. I mean, I mean this album, this album.
I feel they were just going through the motions and
the whole Bruce Hewlick, Mark Saint John fiasco with home.
Oh he's got arthratius and his hand blew up like
a blue bullshit bullshit. They they did not like Mark
Saint John since they started having fights with him in
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the studio. He was an arrogant asshole. Supposedly Norek Carr
was about to punch him out, you know, YACU and
said some trash talk. And you know, I honestly think
that Paul Stanley, mister Stanley, in the back of his
mind wanted Bruce Tolick in the band, and that's why
he told him not to cut his hair, come out
(51:17):
on tour with us, play a little bit. We'll let
Mark play. And then they sent Mark pack in. Know
they're like, how did that go down?
Speaker 5 (51:26):
Man?
Speaker 2 (51:27):
You know, I would have loved to have been there. Yeah, Mark,
You're done, go home by, you know, thank thanks for
recording the album.
Speaker 9 (51:36):
See you later.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Fuck you and your arthritis, you know, pulls me. But
I think it was all just smoking mirrors. Man. I
think I think they wanted Bruce in. You know, probably
when he recorded those solos in the studio, they were like, no,
we gotta get his but they were contract you know,
they were in contracts with Mark Saint John.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
So like I'm like like like n.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
He was Fitty Minson knew, hey, man, you gotta.
Speaker 9 (52:12):
Give it to Vintie though. Man.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
He knew his ship, dude, he knew his ship.
Speaker 9 (52:16):
He knew the music business. He had been through it.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Man he had played, he wrote, he wrote theme songs,
he wrote, he played with that one dude on uh,
that heartman guy with that.
Speaker 9 (52:28):
One stupid song.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
You know, he knew his ship and he wasn't gonna.
Speaker 9 (52:33):
Sign no stupid contract for them.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, so he milked it. He milked it, He milked
it trying to make a name for himself, which he did,
but then he self imploded. So whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but anyway, that about wraps up animalize.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah, but hold on, let me say one thing real
fast about so. Yeah, unfortunately on YouTube, our amazing episode
with Johnny Bogan was taken down because of something yeah
with who was it? What was the deal man?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Because we've got copyright from the WS for my little uh,
for my little Rick Flair clip.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, so anyway, it's real fast. I won't make a
big synopsis over the ship.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
So it was splicing. It might be back up though.
They did this long White Lion episode and they done
it back up.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Valid point, valid point. But the thing about it, it
was doing so good. I remember the last day was up.
It was oh, it was seven and forty one, but
in a matter of eight hours it had two hundred
and fifty of views. So you can still watch it
on Rumble.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
It's on Rumble and it's on Spotify Video, or you
can listen to it on all platforms exactly your podcast.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
But we appreciate everybody and that'll be back. So anyways,
I had to give give a shout out about that
because we love Johnny Bummen so much and anyway.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
And we love rottend with Famcast. That's that's our managure,
that's our boy man so much man for putting our
ship out there. We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Is off mega hell yeah man.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Alright man, so WG, may you doubt anything else about Animalize?
Speaker 3 (54:26):
That's about it. I think we've said or know it's
gonna be a great up. We love it.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Hell yeah man, Animalized? All right, So that concludes another
episode of us thinking way, so we'll see y'all next time.
He think Army production
Speaker 9 (54:50):
Bamn
It's us again, Paul Stanley, Eric Carr, Roberto Casablanca, the
wife guy, Mark Saint John's girls and guys, especially girls
Mark Saint John.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And how your guitar there? He is high Australia.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
So Mark, when you were asked to join the group,
I mean, what were.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Your first thoughts?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I asked this to Eric that three years ago, four
years ago, that was very flattered, was really more than
happy to come to New.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
York and settle in here with the guys and starting
a career.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
There was a there was an initiation.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I hate what it was.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
He didn't tell you about. That's why I swam.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
We were doing uh Juan alkord Park a chance to
play bass on a fighter, that's what you just to
make him feel good, and because he was talked enough
to do the part, and he was doing it, and
I was sitting next to him in the control room
and Gene was right next to me, and he played
like a passing note going into a urge coming out
(01:09):
of the chorus. And then they stopped to tape, you know,
to take a list, and I said, you know that
there was a note in there that sounded wrong, and
and you know, they started got really like defense of
an arrogant right away. And I said, look, I understand,
you know, I played guitar. I understand music. I said,
the note itself, maybe the correct note that fits, you know,
passing through the chord. I said, but to my ear,
(01:31):
it sounds like a mistake. People may think it's a mistake.
And and quote unquote, he goes, how the fuck would
you know you're a player? Jokes you don't know what
the fuck you're talking about, Okay, And this is asked
of being in the band for like three weeks, you know.
And Jeane just like almost fell out of his chair,
and he tried to be real nice and you know,
diplomatic about it. I walked out of the room because
(01:52):
I was gonna kill Mark and I don't want to
touch him. Uh, And I went to the other room,
and then Jean came in like two seconds later with
his mouth and his eyes like full the thing out
of the cold. We couldn't believe it, you know, but
it would kind of like building up for a while.
So we pulled him into the room and get them
home without.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Them having joining kids. I mean, you come up with
your own ideas that.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, most of the time.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Yeah, the group contributation to most.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Of this because going back to sort of like when
a group becomes so established, they have their own set
ideas and productions. For Mark is real humble, He's just
going to sit here and tell you that he's a
nice guy, and it just happens naturally. The great thing
about Marc is usually puts the springers on the guitar,
and that does they're talking for him.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Thanks animalize. I guess it's probably you know, there's so
many people who are trying to reach this high plane
of existence, you know, and reading the eat shing or
trying to figure out, you know, what the dirt and
enable means. And basically what we're trying to say is
people have to animalize. People have to take a couple
of steps backwards. Everybody's forgetting that they're human beings and
(02:56):
trying to become machines or human beings just evolved from.
So let's make like the Monkeys.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Is compared to Lick It Up?
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Is it a continuation?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Does it Lick it Up? Part two?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Is it substantially different? I think it's better. I think
the material is better. I think the playing is a
lot better, and the singing is a lot better. And
I was real pleased with Lick It Up for.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
What it was.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
You know, I think Animalizers like Lick it Up better realized.
You know, you try to take each album, make it
a better version of the one before. I mean, all
I'm trying to do, and what we want to do
is perfect. What we do. I think Animalizes is real good.
Marks playing Mark Saint John is. I mean, it's just
(03:42):
killer guitar playing. I mean I listened to that album
and I hyperventilate when it's over. Well, since you bring
up Mark, tell us how you joined the band. Last
time we know about Kiss Many visit was in the band.
Now there's a new number of Mark Stance John. But
it's interesting, I mean obviously, I mean I don't like
to see people come and go. I'd like, you know,
I like things to stabilize. This is what makes rock
(04:03):
and roll so much fun, is the unpredictability of it all.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Man, if you're not having fun, then you shouldn't be
doing it. That's Derek Carr. That's brutal brutles back there.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
In case you missed a little before.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Paul Stanley, this is Jean Zi. We're kiss what more
could you want on television? I never thought we were
going to get on here.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
My brother used to do ghost guitar works for a
Kiss right like that, Paul asked me to come in
and do some ghost guitar works, you know. So Paul
called me to do some work like you know, ghost
guitar they call it, and you're not going to get credited.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And he liked what I played very odd.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
He goes, my hair was probably about this length. Go oh,
of course bigger back then. But he said, don't cut
your hair on.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I was like, why'd you tell me?
Speaker 6 (04:45):
I'm just doing a session for the band.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I thought it was odd.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
And within about six weeks I get a call from
the Kiss office. You know, we need you to help
out and go to Europe with us for the Animalized
or you know, it might be you might do a
whole tour for six.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Weeks or just a few weeks, depending.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
On you know, Mark's health and if they can get
him back to join them, you know. And then in
the end I did all of Europe and then I.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Started to rehearse for the.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
American tour of Analyize Big Hit Heaven's on Fire right,
and Mark came out with me, and they wanted to
test him.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Which was very unique.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I mean, think of that, you actually have your you know,
the guy whose job it's supposed to be. But he's
just gonna watch and learn so that they can then
insert him, you see.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
And in the end they did. They let him play
the first half of the show and I.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Finished the show, and then they let him play the
second half of the show.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I started the show, and then they let him do
a whole show, and then they sent him home.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
And that's how I got the gig.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Hey, it was do like you're watching The Sinking Way Show,
thinking wings David.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Thinking standly, hear people and listen, it's time for another episode.
I'm the Thinking Wag Show. Oh Mad Wang, dude, Wang
bro And this kind of sucks. This is kind of
a bummer, man, because we got to start to show
off on a sad note. But but y'all know that
(06:55):
we've been talking about Mark Saint John's sister and Wang's
been in in contact with the liaison and we're supposed
to have her on. I mean, I don't even really
know much about this, but Wang's gonna fill us in
right now. Whang, Whang, how you doing man, and let's
just get over the bad news as quick as possible.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah man, you know, hey, hey, stinkings down and hey everybody,
how's it going, man, Welcome to our show. Yeah man,
it's very depressing and sad.
Speaker 9 (07:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I built a really close relationship to Mark Saint John's sister,
and she's a big fan of our podcasts and everything.
So it was very, very, very depressing and sad when
I got an email from Vinnie Vincent. Everybody knows I
have contact with Vinnie Vincent. It's not as much as
it used to be, but Vinnie Vincent Jesus Christ. So
(07:49):
I got an email just not too long ago, a
few days back, literally a couple of days ago, Vinnie Vincent.
Vinny Vincent sent me an email on Wednesday, January twenty ninth,
two point fifteen Pacific Standard time, and this is what
it says. It says, Bill Wang. Unfortunately, I have some
horrible news to share with you. On Sunday, January twenty sixth,
(08:14):
Mark Saint John's sister passed away from injuries she suffered
from a skiing accident in the in her beloved Tahoe region.
I'm devastated, with a heavy heart kiddie. Vincent.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Wow, bro, man, Man, we've been trying, you've been You've
been trying forever to get her on. Man, we've been
building this up. Man, what the hell?
Speaker 9 (08:40):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I know, Man, it's horror fic. It's terrible. I guess
she was really a big skier and everything, and anybody
knows anything about Tahoe, there's magnificent ski resorts and everything.
So yeah, but I'm just grateful that Vinnie Vincent reached
out to me and let me know the bad news.
And you know, you know, I don't know what else
to say. It's you know, I'm shocked. I'm shocked. It
(09:03):
seems like everybody's dying. And Mark Saint John's sister was well,
this was the salt of the earth, and uh.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Just one of the good ones, just one of the Yeah,
we didn't know too much about her, but did you
know anything about her past or anything? Like, didn't she
did she serve in the military or something? I don't know.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know, there's conflicting reports. I personally never just spoke
to her about her military engagement in history and and
and whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Wasn't she like in some type of secret ops or something.
Speaker 9 (09:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's very secret, man, very secret.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah. Well, Vinnie Vincent did give me subliminal vibes about
that in the past and everything, where he'd say certain things,
you know, the Seal team, you know, Seal.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Whoa really whoa? Holy cow? Don't yeah, yeah, don't quo Yeah,
oh wow, I didn't know it was that that wow.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's very intense ship. But uh,
that's neither here nor there. The whole thing is we
loved Mark Saint John's sister. God bless her soul.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Uh yeah, man, rest in peace, I mean God, She's
supposed to share some demo never heard before demos or
something too.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, as you recall if you remember, she had the
demos of the White Denny White Dinny the White Pipe.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Well you know what, you know what, that's that's our
I mean, you got anything else about this because.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Don't no, I don't, but you know you you got
some information.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah yeah, because that was a perfect segue into what
I want to talk about real quick before we before
we get into the album at hand, Mark Saint John.
I want to talk about Mark Saint John's you know,
post kiss career, because after Animalized Man, he did quite
a few things that I was very surprised though. Obviously
(11:02):
in nineteen eighty five, speaking of the White Tigers White
White demos, you know, he was in a band called
White Tiger in nineteen eighty five, and he did that
just till about like nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty eight. Now,
supposedly in nineteen eighty eight he did some demos with
Jeff Scott Soto, who we all know sang for ing
(11:25):
Bay and various other.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
People and down the Trilogy album right.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Uh, no, I think he was on the he was
marching out in the first one. Yeah, he was the
original singer for Ingbay.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Maybe maybe trilogy. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, I believe so, I could be wrong. I look ahead.
Speaker 9 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And then then after that, in nineteen ninety he played
get this. He played on this famous Vocal Coaches song
Living for My Lord off the album as to Grind. Now,
this famous Vocal Coach is related. He's a cousin of
(12:13):
a very famous singer. His name is Ted Tamplin, and
he does these Vocal Coach things online. And he supposedly
got busted for lipstaking while he's doing vocal coaching. Yeah yeah,
but he's related. He's a cousin of a very famous
(12:36):
singer Wang. Do you know who that singer is?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Uh no, I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
He ruined one of our favorite fans during the late eighties.
He came in and took over for one of the
greatest front men of all time and just ruined that band.
Who am I talking about?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Rock?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He replaced him with Sammy Hagar.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yes, yes, this guy is supposed to please Sammy Hagar's
cousin and he won't let you forget it because he's
always mentioned it anyway. Yeah, but anyway, yeah yeah, Mark
Saint John played with this guy, Ken Tamplon Yeah, Ken
Tamplin and you know he's he's really hot right now
because he's got that uh drama going on with the
(13:19):
lip syncing. So but anyway, moving on, Mark Saint John
also worked with former Night Riders star David Hasselhoff.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Don't bus with the Hop, Yes he did, Can you
believe that? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
He even appeared in a music video with David Hasselhoff,
which you know I'll.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
Be putting in right here, you know, check it.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Out, man, he's he's playing with David Hasselhoff on this song.
Is everyone happy?
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Oh? Man crazy?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, man so. But then in nineteen ninety he made
a demo with none other than the original Catman Peter
Chris in a band called The Keep, which was essentially
White Tiger with Peter Cris on drums.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Oh that's pretty.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Cool, yeah, man, yeah, yeah. And then and then then
there was you know, and then to back it up
in White Tiger Man. He was in White Tiger, he
had members David Donato on vocals, who joined Black Sabbath
replaced in Ian Gillen, but was fired in nineteen eighty
(14:30):
five after recording some demos with the band for reasons unknown.
There man yeah, and then he played his brother played
bass in White Lion, Michael Norton. And then on drums
he had Brian James Fox, who was also in a
band called Silent Rage, a band whose second album was
(14:52):
was done by none other than Simmons Records. Now, is
this some incestuous stuff or what it's like?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Crazy? Man provoking crazy?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
It's crazy. And then and then to end it all unfortunately,
you know, while in jail for possession of drug paraphernalia.
Mark was brutally beaten and and was stabbed with pencils
by a group of up to twenty inmates for allegedly
stealing crackers from another inmate's property.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Pop I mentioned that on the past episode.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah yeah, crazy circuit bro.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, and and and just to interject her brother to jail.
The jail was called, Oh god.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
I don't know the jail name. Maybe we'll put it
on the screen here.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
You know it is a man.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I I okay, I'll put I'll put it on the
screen here.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Wang yeah, something about THEO something but I know it's
in Santa Monica.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But but anyway, Mark died several months later.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Here hold on, brother man. He was at. This happened
at the THEO lacy t h E O l A
C Y Jalen, Orange County.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
There you go, oh okay, cool, well not cool but Mark.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We got the stats and it's correct.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But cool. But Mark unfortunately died several months later from
a brain hemorrhage. His girlfriend said he was unrecognizable from
the vicious beating which she which she believed was a
direct result for his death. She also said Mark told
her he had snitched on a drug dealer several years earlier,
(16:41):
and believed he'd be attacked in in if this became
known by inmates. He told her this is he told
her this just a couple of days before the attack.
So unfortunately, that's how Mark met his demise. Man, So
that's pretty sad, bro. It's it's a shame, man.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It's a travesty.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
It is.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's a travesty all the way around.
Speaker 9 (17:06):
And now this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Unfortunate accident with his uh, you know, beloved sister.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just the the Norton family
has been just just nothing. But you know that tragedy, tragedy, tragedy, tragedy.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, yeah, man, Yeah, it's it's it's a travesty, man,
it is a travesty. But anyway, let's let's talk about
the good times, d Wang. Let's talk about the good
times that Mark Saint John had when he got discovered
by Kiss and they brought him in as their guitar
(17:44):
player on this great album Animalized. Wang. Let's have the stats, bro.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, man, here's the stats. We're gonna be positive from
this point fourward. There's a couple of negative moments that's
coming up, but we're generally speaking, we're all positive. So
the out came out supposedly air quotes on September seventeenth,
nineteen eighty four. And why I say supposedly because that
was a Monday. Okay, that was a Monday. And in
(18:12):
the book Kicks Behind the Mass, that's the September thirteenth,
and that was a I believe that was any I'll
get to that night, but anyway, so yeah, so it
was produced by Paul Stanley, Chris Meada Minto. Excuse me,
(18:35):
Chris Minto was the engineer. And then there's some sort
of connection with Michael James Jackson and I'll get that
in one of the songs and whatnot. But it was
recorded at Right Track Recording Studios in New York City.
The album was released on Mercury Records and went to
number nineteen on the Billboard two hundred and it has
(18:57):
gone platinum obviously. And then of course Paul Stanley guitar,
Jeans Simmons bass, Eric Carr drones, Mark Saint shown guitar,
and then Bruce Culic played a guitar solo on Lonely
is the Hunter I make I bring up I have
a quote from Bruce Culic about that and coming up
(19:17):
and then yeah, he.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Just he just did a bumper for us, as we
just saw in our Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
We love Bruce Culick, Thank you, brother. That yeah Bruce, Yeah,
Bruce Culick all the way, man, we love the fucker.
And then the opening guitar part of Murder and High Heels.
I saw the tour and seeking Stanley put the ticket
stuff coming up here. I saw the tour on February ninth,
(19:44):
nineteen eighty five at the Henry J. Henry J. Kaiser
Convention Center, which maybe ten years before was called the
Oakland Convention Center. Queens Reich opened the show and that
was on They're.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Warning, oh man, lucky you.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, I'm the warning tour.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Lucky you. Man. I almost saw this tour, but my
parents I was still at the age my parents wouldn't
quite let me go to concerts yet.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Really, brother, I've said that at nauseam. But and just
just just for the record, mark Saint John God rest
his soul. He passed away on April fifth of two
thousand and seven at the age of fifty one years old.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Wow, that's what I said. It was going to be positive. Okay,
that's the last part of negativity, So now we're going
to be positive. So on September seventeenth, nineteen eighty four,
the year of Our Lord, the number one TV show
in America. What do you think it was?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Number one TV show at nineteen eighty four? Would it
be night Rider? No?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
No, no, it was the Dynasty.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh my god, Dynasty these freaking these late nights soap
opers man, Dynasty, Dallas.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Can you name the number two?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Uh? Dallas?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Gods?
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Hell? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Oh yeah, brother Man? Okay, the number one movie in
the United States of America, Me and sinking Stanley's Country.
That anyway, anyways, a lot of shit going on in
our country to Canada. We're sorry, Mexico. We don't give
a fuck. Uh anyways. The number one song, Oh no,
(21:38):
you know, so the number one this season? You can
guess the number one song in America on the Billboard
one hundred pop charts as it were on September seventeenth,
nineteen eighty four. What are you doing? Give me a dyce?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I have no idea, broa where I wake me up
before we go go? I don't know it's.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
A good one. No, it was the song Missing You,
Missing You. I used to always Missing You by John
Wayne from The Babies. Baby fans love that song, man,
and that's a good song. And the number one album
in the United States of America, which basically took that
huge was the brilliant album by Prince called Purple Rain.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Wow. Awesome, Man, I love I love Prince Man. Fuck
all the Prince Vaders out there, man, they can go
fuck themselves. Man, I love, I love Prince. I'm a
very dig I mean, I'm not no super fan, but
I'm a casual fan. But I love that album. Man,
I love the Matthew got to respect him. Yeah, man, tell.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Ye and then a real fast I know not to
keep repeating myself, but the Super Bowl Champs of the
nineteen eighty four season was the sand Prince Cisco forty
nine ers. The NBA champs in nineteen eighty four were
the my Boston Celtics Larry Bird Boston Celtic.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
We beat the Lakers. Hell yeah, I remember that. I
was watching basketball at that time.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Oh right on, brother lay right one. And then the
World Series champs that year were the Detroit Tigers. Cool
and if anybody the baseball the seam Heads as we're called,
everybody remembers that the beginning, there's no notes terrible. At
the beginning of the nineteen eighty four baseball season, the
Detroit Tigers win. Don't quote me people, okay, but just astronomical.
(23:38):
They were like thirty five and five. But anyways, they
went off to win the World Series and the Stanley
Cup champions that year. There of ourlard. Nineteen eighty four
was the great Wayne Gretzky's edmintem oilers. So they go brother.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Man cool man, alright, man, alright, getting back to animalized
one one, I'll make a one more negative comment. Man,
This album cover suck man. Why did they get lazy
on that album cover? Man, Oh my god, it's terrible,
all that animal prints. But hey man, hey, it's it's
(24:16):
a sign of the times. That was the that was
the thing back then when everybody's wearing like zebra and
leopard and cheetah bandanas and shirts and shoes and oh man,
it was Oh, it was horrific.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, it was borderling apocalyptic. I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I wanted nothing to do with that. Was you never
saw me with any.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Animal brind man.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I thought I thought that she was leave as hell.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think the only thing more lazy than that Animalized
album cover was Gene Simmons compositions.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well we'll get into that. Oh all right then you
ready to get up? Still trying to take this cough
every but anyway, Wang, you ready to get into this?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Fuck yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Hell yeah. Track one, I've Had Enough Into the Fire
Paul Stanley with a Desmond Child team up again and
uh yeah, man, I freaking love it.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's just a fast, fast song with Mark Saint John
ripping on the solos.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I love the bridge man where he's like, wish it
and hope and we'll get you nothing. I love that
shit man. But uh yeah, man, I've Had Enough. Into
the Fire is freaking awesome.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
What an album opener? Wang, what do you think of
I've Had Enough?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah? And before I get into I've Had Enough, I'm
I'm gonna read it just a couple of quotes, as
it were. This is from I've used this, you know
a lot. From The Kiss Behind the Mask book copyright
two thousand and three by David Leaf and Ken Sharp
(26:05):
and by the Kiss Catalog Ltd. And AOL Time Warner Company.
Now on this fabulous book that I love so much
and I also love everybody knows The Kiss and Cell Book,
copyright nineteen ninety seven, C. K. Lent. But here's a
couple of things. Here's a couple of delusional, fucking quotes
Paul Stanley. Paul Stanley says about the overall rating of Animalized,
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Paul Stanley. I quote their sentence here. It says, I'd
give Animalized four out of five chopskicks. It's a better
album than Lick It Up.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Wow, man, he is chop sticks?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, right here in Claire's Day, Yeah, and then and
then Pane Simmons says, it's more delusion. I like Animalize,
though a little more than Lick it Up. You know,
no wrong answer, They're wrong answer. But I've had enough Stanley,
uh and Desmond Child that's a kiss ass, heavy ass rocker,
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Mark Saint John going batshit crazy. Well, that's solo and
the and the cool thing about this is, and I
was unaware of this before doing extensive research, is Paul
Stanley played bass on this song. And he did a
really good job. I like his bass plan.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Did he did?
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah? And I give it yeah. I give this ship
five out a five TOPSI.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Hell, yeah, man, I've had enough. Was awesome, all right, man?
Moving on to number two, the big hit, the big hit,
Heaven's on Fire, another Stanley and Desmond child composition, and
I freaking hate this song. God, I can't stand this
song man. I haven't liked it since day one.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
But I will give him credit.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Man, that opening, that opening.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
Uh you know.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Vocal thing he does is freaking for Domino.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Man.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
That that's epic.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't do that ship right now,
but that's awesome. Mad, But no, I can't stand this song.
I think it's so simple and lazy songwriting. I always
skip it way overrated and overplayed. And yeah, other than that, Wang,
what do you think of Heaven's on Fire?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I want to tell you what Paul Stanley said before
I tell you about what I said.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Oh, I know what he's gonna say. He loves this man,
this is Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well, he says I was striving for simplicity. Desmond and
I wrote that. Desmond and I wrote that at his house.
There was a lot of people who liked that song
because I've heard it since on a whole lot of albums,
on different with different titles. It was a track and
listening to it where I did wonder if it was
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too simple, but I love it. So he's implying that
people basically copied it and made songs of their own
about that. But anyways, that's neither here neither. It went
to number fourteen on on the Billboard One. It was
a lot bigger hit on MTV by far written as
I said, nothing to repeat myself Paul Stanley and Desn't Child. Personally,
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I like it a little bit more new, do I know?
And there's this one guy out there that always like, oh,
you said this on a podcast, and you know blom
ten billion years ago. Now this is what I'm talking
all the ship is how I feel about it right.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Now, not today today, right now basically.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
No, like I said, it was on MTV, hell a lot.
It's a simple, goofy song, but I don't think it sucks.
I'm gonna give it two and five chips. This blah
blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Wow, all right, man, Number three, Burn bitch, burn Wang.
Why don't you go ahead and take burn bitch burn first?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
My goodness, grazios. Yeah, burned, it's durned. Uh, Gene Simmons.
Let me tell you first of all, I'll tell you
I don't really have much to say it. It's a
This song is terrible, but Mark six Saint John's solo
is there, So there's that one out of five chopstick
Gene Simmons. So, Gene Simmons recites lyrics He says, when
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love rears its head, I gonna get in your case.
I want to get on your case. I want to
put my log in your fireplace. The whole notion of sex.
They're silly for all the trouble we have to go
through getting some nookie. I did it out for the niokie,
for the rookie. It's so much ado about nothing. We
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all enjoy it, and guys are willing to get in
fights about it, and girls will do anything torture us
lipstick and high heels to keep our interests. And uh,
like I said, it's it's it's it's fucking shitty, dude.
I hate it. But it's not a half a chopstick
and it's not it's not a zero chopsick, probably because
of the uh, you know, Mark Saint John's interesting playing
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on it. So yeah, that's what I think about. What
that's what myself and gene'sn't even think about.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Burn bitch drunk Wow, well, uh, I kind of got
I kind of got a different opinion. I think it
gets a lot of hate, but I still dig it. Man,
it's a fun song. It's got that killer crunchy guitar
rip which is actually played by Jane himself. Jean played
all the guitar on this except the leave. Yeah, it's
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got cheesey lyrics, but who cares. The music is badass.
I mean, it's got a cool guitar solo by Mark.
You must note Paul's backup vocals coming through, you know,
so when he's like, oh yeah, yeah, man. Like I said, Man,
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the song gets a lot of hate, but I think
it's fun.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
Man.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It gives me a laugh, man, it just gives me
a good laugh. And I like the crunching of it.
So there you go, man, burn bitch burn.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Oh there you go.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
There you go, man. But all right, moving on to
get all you can take.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
This is written by Stanley and Mitch Wiseman, and uh
it's got a Jean beauvar on base. Yeah from the Plasmatics,
that black guy.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
With the mohawks.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, man, he's pretty cool man. I just met him
recently at Kiss Cancer Goodbye. But yeah, but mentioning Jean.
We also got to say how this this album animalized
coincide with the release of Wendy Oh Williams Wow album,
which was released around the same time, which.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
No one who said the unofficial Kiss album.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yes, exactly because it has everybody. It has Ace on there,
It's got Paul and Paul Road songs, Gene, Yeah, that's
it's got Kiss all over Eric Carr, but yeah, yeah,
Windio Williams Wow album came out around this time. It's
My life and all that. So, but get All you
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can think? Man, it's got a cool drum intro. I mean,
I love this song. Man, It's kind of funky with
some rapping lyrics, cool and different song. I think it's
a unique, unique kiss song. And uh it's the first
time Kiss put fucking their lyrics with what fucking difference
does it make? So yeah, kiss, He's in the F
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word and a kiss song. Finally, what the hell? But Wang,
what do you think of this song?
Speaker 9 (33:42):
Get All you Can take?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
It's another terrible song, probably equally as terrible as burn
Bitch Burn. I gave it one chop six and you
know it is what it is and just real past
I got a sentence of two. So Paul stanleyon in
this book, Kiss behind the Masks, David Leeveman, Kim Trump
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just a real a sentence, Paul Stanley working with Mark
Saint John on Animalized was a challenge Mark Saint John.
I wasn't a Kiss fan. I never had any other albums.
Oh yeah, totally man, but yeah, yeah one out of
five chopsticks, I'm not really king of it. And uh,
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there you go, man, ba ba ba.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
All right man. Moving on the track number five halfway
through the album, Slowly is the Hunter another Simmons track,
uh from one of the first songs on the album
to feature Bruce Culick, Bruce's first appearance on a Kiss
album doing the solo. It's an okay song, not a favorite,
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but Bruce pulls off the cool solos what did I
say here? Cool?
Speaker 9 (35:04):
Cool here?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And Paul's back back up. The vocals come through again
on the chorus. Other than that, the song really doesn't
do much for me. How about you, Wang, what do
you think of Lonely is the Hunter?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Before I get that and I have a Bruce Pulick,
the Great Bruce pulic quote. But on January ninth, speaking
of nineteen eighty four. On January ninth of nineteen eighty four,
the Brilliant Van Hanley nineteen eighty four album.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Was released, Hell Yeah Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
On January thirteenth of nineteen eighty four, the Brilliant Judas
Priest Defenders of the.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Face was released Oh Yeah, Wow.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah Yeah, and then one more. On January twenty seventh,
nineteen eighty four of the Year of Our Lord, Michael
Jackson was rushed to the hospital after catching his fire
catching on fire filming.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
A pepsi for.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I remember that.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
A little bit of the ship. But yeah, lonely as
a hunter. I'd give it a half a top stick
out of five.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Nobody does nobody. You're just right to half a tough stick.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
No disrespect the Bruce Kuli the solo is badass. And
here's Bruce Cully talking about Lonely as the hundred Bolt.
I went down to do a ghost guitar thing like
my brother used to do with Kiss. Paul was the
only one there. He asked me if I had a
guitar with a Floyd Roy Rose on it, which I
just did get He played me some of.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
The tracks Heaven's on Fire on. He played me some
of the tracks Heaving a Fire. He wanted to show
me the vibe of the record. It went very quickly.
It was a lot of fun, no stress at all.
I didn't so on lonely.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
As the Hunter. I also played guitar and murder in
High Hills, a couple of pag lines at the very end. So,
uh you know, I always always want to give Bruce
cult credit and the baddest motherfucker. He's so fu cool.
May not awesome, I may not like all those Kiss
albums and everything, but uh you know, I like I've said,
we'll get to eventually with revenge, but but I always
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respected his guitar playing like I said, a half hatifi
chop sticks and I'll take the next one Under the gun.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Okay, cool Under.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
The Gun written by Paul Stanley, Eric Carr, and Desmond Child,
and my notes were, this is more like it go
Paul Mark Saint John's going batshit crazy again and it's fun.
It's a lot of fun, man, So I give this
ship four to five. Chop sis.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Hell, Yeah, man under the gun, dude, and it's got
John blou Bar on bass again. This is great fast
kiss man, like the like the animalized, uncensored the live concert. God,
they were fucking pleasing fast man. Yeah, this song is
just the epitome of that. I mean, this song is awesome.
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You know they're Jesus. It's I just I just love
this man. There's no speed limit where I come from.
Let's hit the way to.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
It's sixty nine. Oh god, man, But uh Mark Saint
John does another killer solo.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And at the end, after we're done with the after
we're done with doing this album, I gotta I gotta
say a little theory I have about this whole guitar
player thing.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Oh cool.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So but anyway, let's move on to track number seven,
Thrills in the Night that they had a video for Wang.
Why don't you go ahead takeout Thrills of the Night.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah. It was released as a single in January thirteenth,
nineteen eighty four, year of our Lord Paul Stanley and
your boy Jeeves Bovier.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, the Plasmatics I didn't. I obviously I've seen I
saw the Creatures the night short speaking of this cat.
But here's here if you all remember that guy, I
remember Vinny, Oh yeah, any Vin. Anyways, I saw the
amazing Monkey Croup. But any was Yeah, Yeah, Thrills of
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the Night Your Boy Blow Me Up? Not a bad song.
Matter of fact, I kind of enjoy it. I give
this song three to five chapters.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Hell yeah, Thrills of the Night Man, I actually love it. Man,
I think I think it's a very cool, different kiss song.
It just has a different vibe with it. And and
Jean Bouvard did play bass on this track. I kind
of think that Thrills of the Night is kind of
like Paul's version of Naked City. So there's a hot
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take for you. But yeah, it's got a cool solo
credited to Mark, But if you ask me, I think
this solo sounds more like Bruce Keeling. Uh you know,
I'm I'm probably totally wrong. I don't know, but but
I think this has more of a Bruce clic vibe
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of the so on the solo than Mark Saint John's.
And my proof would be just watch the animalized uncensored version.
He plays the solo like perfectly. So yeah, there you go,
Frills of the Night Man. Yeah, all right, you ready
to move on to track number eight?
Speaker 9 (40:27):
Wang?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, Well the City Sleeps. But uh, I'm gonna be
real fast. I don't really have much to say about
Simmons and why spin lazy? Gene again, what's new? A
half acoustic kind of five? But I want to read
this little part of you know, the book I always
talking about. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So this is this is
funny as fuck's up. Uh, this is lent Uh, Chris
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lu saying the Animalized album, despite its strong showing, wasn't
enough for a knockout tour. Gene always asked me what
the attendance was that the show's just before he went
on stage one night. I told him the show had
really done well, that Hiss had sold over seven thousand
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tickets and a ten thousand seed arena. Gene Simmons, wok
do fucking you? Even played, sarcastic, turning to Paul, who
was standing beside him ready for the queue to take
the stage. It just shows you how warped things are
have gotten, Geene said, Now, I'm supposed to get excited
about seven thousand tickets being sold before we'd sell out
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the place, and not even get excited about it. Paul
grim face nodded his head slightly.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I love oh wow wow.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
And for the record, when I saw Kiss at the
Henry J. Kijak Invention Center. It was packed with clean Driver.
I mean it was like, yeah, but you know what
why it was packed is they get a half a
half thing, you know, I got.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
They closed off the.
Speaker 10 (42:05):
After and that regard it was a packed Yeah, so
they well, you know, I think you know, when they
took off the make up, man, they just had to
kind of rebuild themselves.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
And I think they did a pretty good job of
doing it. During the eighties, man, you know, they kept up.
They were all over in TV. You know, I went
to see him every chance I could, and I always
remember the show as being packed, you know, even if
they were playing like you know, Civic Centers and Ocean
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Centers and all that crap. But but yeah, man, while
the city sleeps. I've grown, honestly, dude. Back in the day,
this is where I would shut the album off after
Thrills of the Night. These last two songs I didn't
give a rat's ass about. But honestly, over the years,
as I've gotten older, I've grown. I've grown more fonder
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of this one over the years. But still to me,
it's a weak song.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, And Mark's and this is you know, Mark solo
started sound and all the same. It's towards you know,
I don't know, I did just I yeah, it's okay man.
So all right, man, you're ready to wrap this one
up with the last song on the album?
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I fucked up and I didn't.
I have a lot of these things. I'll just huge
a couple of them.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
So I'm go ahead, go ahead, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
So yeah. So on April first, nineteen eighty four, Marvin
Gaye Dice being shot by his father.
Speaker 9 (43:43):
Oh wow, that was fucked up.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, big time, man. I guess he was breaking up
or his parents. On June fourth, nineteen eighty four, Bruce Springsteen,
Born in the USA was released Not a Family, Huge
of them, and then yeah, And then on July seventeenth,
eighty four, the national minimum drinking age was passed, and
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of course November sixth, nineteen eighty four, Walter Mondale got
absolutely destroyed by Ronald Reagan in the United States elections
to walk.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Hell yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Oh And then at December first, Eddie Murphy Beverly Hills
Cop came out and and then finally in closing on
December thirty first, nineteen eighty four, deaf lepperd drummer Rick
Allen lost his arm in an accident outside of Sheffield, England,
So they ouch, ouch, that's.
Speaker 9 (44:38):
Terrible, man, you know what those do you know what
those men?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
He lost his arm. But I gotta say this about
deaf Leffers, Man, how fucking cool are they to just
stand by you?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Man?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Amaze? They listen though, Man, they stand by every one
of their band members to the end, except for Pete Willis.
They gave Pete Willis, you know, they kicked him out. Yeah,
but but you know with with their drummer, man, he
lost his arms, they stuck with him. They came back
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with a killer album. They lost Steve Clark, they stuck
with him, put him through rehab.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I kind of you mean they came back with a
killer album Hysteria.
Speaker 9 (45:25):
Man, that was a killer That was a cool album.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Okay, well, I guess I guess we're gonna have to
review Hysteria pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Yeah, there you go. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
give any kicks on that. But we disagree on that.
But go ahead, Oh believe me.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I don't like I don't like the whole thing, but
there's there's a quite a bit of it.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I do enjoy Hey, dude, it doesn't matter what I think, It.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Doesn't matter. Bro's same man and this is but then recently,
most recently, you know, Vivian Campbell, their replacement guitarist has
been dealing with cancer, with cancer man, and dude, yeah, horrible,
terrible man. And and and they're sticking by him. Then.
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I mean, Death Leppard are just a great bunch of good,
good guys.
Speaker 9 (46:21):
Man.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
And you know my old guitar teacher, Paul Chapman, I
bring him up all the time, probably Annsium, but he
was really good friends with those guys. And I used
to I used to go to guitar lessons and there'd
be pictures.
Speaker 9 (46:35):
Of him on the wall with Steve Clark and Joe Elliott.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
It was so cool man, so cool. But anyway, getting
back to the last song on the album, number nine,
Murder and High Heels, Oh God, this song fucking sucks, dude.
Speaker 9 (46:50):
Chris Keelix solo.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Can't even save it. I mean, I just I don't know, man,
this song is practically unlistenable to me. Dwang, what do
you think of murdering how Heels? You know.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
You're set me up for the meat ball Man, you know,
I wrote, I wrote here complete dogs kid, Yeah, half
of a chopstick out of five.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
But but my I would have even given it a
soy sauce.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
Man.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Well you know that dollopoint. Some people would have not
but but but but but I do like that one
part where it goes anyways, there's just one little part
I like. I gave it a half of five chopsicks,
you know, And if you want to kill me on
it for giving it a half a chopstick, not you,
but the public. Yeah, he poured me back to Europe.
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I don't care. Fuck you.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I get to hear anybody that likes this sauce, we're
real man.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah uh yeah. But as closing, I would say I've
mentioned this on the podcast in the past. This album
was the last Kiss album this teenager bought with his
own money. It was it, even though I went.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
All the.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Tours after, but this was the last album I bought
with my own money. And then until I got tricked
and I don't want to shoot my watt until I
got tricked into buying Revenge because I heard Unholy And
that's that's yeah, right, story for another day.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
That's another review entirely I hear you absolutely revenge, Oh.
Speaker 9 (48:34):
My god, dude.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, I think people would be quite shocked. Are going
to be quite shocked with our Kiss Revenge episode.
Speaker 9 (48:41):
I got to feel it.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
When we get there.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Absolutely from now.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
But but yeah, man animalized for me. Honestly, you know,
I was in my you know, I think I was
like fourteen.
Speaker 9 (48:56):
Or whatever when this came out, but I was. I was,
honestly I was back then.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
I really didn't care that much for this album. I
listened to it because I felt I had to because
I was such a Kiss fan, right, So, but I
was really into other things at this time. Man, that's
what Metallica, you know, all you know, thrash fans were
coming up. You know, you had bands like Merciful, Fake King, Diamond,
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just all kinds of crazy other shit coming out that
I was getting into big times.
Speaker 9 (49:27):
And to me, this at that time, this was old hat.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
This was just they were, they were washed up to
me and I, you know, I always stayed loyal and
got the albums, whether I bought him or I got
it from a relative for Christmas or something or a birthday.
Speaker 9 (49:41):
But yeah, this is around the time I kind of
checked out a Kiss.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yeah, but you know a lot of people I've heard
that also, but you know, reflecting on it on the
real As far as me personally, I was saying, listen
to our Licking Up episode, Man, I fucking more that album.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Oh I loved lick it Up, Lock it Up, tell
a totally different story.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
No, no, I understand that, But I was. I still
had hope for this record, even though I'm like a
couple again, So so did.
Speaker 9 (50:12):
I, so did I.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I had hope.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Oh my God, put out another lick It Up. And
unfortunately Geene Simmons and Paul Sailey in the book I
Kiss behind Them and Ask Copyright two thousand and three,
I day believed again charm they oh it's better lick
it Up. No way, No, it happened, And.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I got theories. I mean, I mean this album, this album.
I feel they were just going through the motions and
the whole Bruce Hewlick, Mark Saint John fiasco with home.
Oh he's got arthratius and his hand blew up like
a blue bullshit bullshit. They they did not like Mark
Saint John since they started having fights with him in
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the studio. He was an arrogant asshole. Supposedly Norek Carr
was about to punch him out, you know, YACU and
said some trash talk. And you know, I honestly think
that Paul Stanley, mister Stanley, in the back of his
mind wanted Bruce Tolick in the band, and that's why
he told him not to cut his hair, come out
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on tour with us, play a little bit. We'll let
Mark play. And then they sent Mark pack in. Know
they're like, how did that go down?
Speaker 5 (51:26):
Man?
Speaker 2 (51:27):
You know, I would have loved to have been there. Yeah, Mark,
You're done, go home by, you know, thank thanks for
recording the album.
Speaker 9 (51:36):
See you later.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Fuck you and your arthritis, you know, pulls me. But
I think it was all just smoking mirrors. Man. I
think I think they wanted Bruce in. You know, probably
when he recorded those solos in the studio, they were like, no,
we gotta get his but they were contract you know,
they were in contracts with Mark Saint John.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
So like I'm like like like n.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
He was Fitty Minson knew, hey, man, you gotta.
Speaker 9 (52:12):
Give it to Vintie though. Man.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
He knew his ship, dude, he knew his ship.
Speaker 9 (52:16):
He knew the music business. He had been through it.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Man he had played, he wrote, he wrote theme songs,
he wrote, he played with that one dude on uh,
that heartman guy with that.
Speaker 9 (52:28):
One stupid song.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
You know, he knew his ship and he wasn't gonna.
Speaker 9 (52:33):
Sign no stupid contract for them.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, so he milked it. He milked it, He milked
it trying to make a name for himself, which he did,
but then he self imploded. So whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but anyway, that about wraps up animalize.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah, but hold on, let me say one thing real
fast about so. Yeah, unfortunately on YouTube, our amazing episode
with Johnny Bogan was taken down because of something yeah
with who was it? What was the deal man?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Because we've got copyright from the WS for my little uh,
for my little Rick Flair clip.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, so anyway, it's real fast. I won't make a
big synopsis over the ship.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
So it was splicing. It might be back up though.
They did this long White Lion episode and they done
it back up.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Valid point, valid point. But the thing about it, it
was doing so good. I remember the last day was up.
It was oh, it was seven and forty one, but
in a matter of eight hours it had two hundred
and fifty of views. So you can still watch it
on Rumble.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
It's on Rumble and it's on Spotify Video, or you
can listen to it on all platforms exactly your podcast.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
But we appreciate everybody and that'll be back. So anyways,
I had to give give a shout out about that
because we love Johnny Bummen so much and anyway.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
And we love rottend with Famcast. That's that's our managure,
that's our boy man so much man for putting our
ship out there. We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Is off mega hell yeah man.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Alright man, so WG, may you doubt anything else about Animalize?
Speaker 3 (54:26):
That's about it. I think we've said or know it's
gonna be a great up. We love it.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Hell yeah man, Animalized? All right, So that concludes another
episode of us thinking way, so we'll see y'all next time.
He think Army production
Speaker 9 (54:50):
Bamn
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