Talking Vet Bro Industrial Complex Drama | Nate Cornacchia (Valhalla VFT) | Ep. 320 - The Team House

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Hey guys, this is episode three hundred and twenty of
The Team House. I'm Jack here with Dave and joining
the show for the second time is Nate. I missed
the first time he came on here because I was
in Iceland. We're really glad to have him back, and
we were talking earlier about, you know, some of his
recent videos. So he has a YouTube channel and we

(01:22):
should mention. Nate is a retired Green Beret. His YouTube
channel is Valhalla VFT. Hope you guys will go and
check it out. There's some really good stuff on there,
and there's a link down in the description. Before we
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Speaker 2 (03:08):
And back to U Nate again. Welcome to the show
for a second time.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'm a big fan of your channel.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Also, I am a little disappointed that you're not wearing
your beaters. You and Jay both on your channels, are
always wearing your beaters.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
No, I was going to, but I was like, I'm
going to be on their show.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
You're not going to show the gun yeah, I find.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
It's a little bit more professional.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
If I'm ever going to be on one of your podcasts,
I'm definitely wearing the beaters and the camo hat. If
it's with Jay, I'm just messing with you, man.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
So I missed the first interview, but I mean, you
are something of a Special Forces thought fluencer now whether
you like that, whether you like that title or not,
you are found yourself in that position. But I bet
you didn't like initially set out. I mean valhal of
firearms training. You must have started somewhere else and I'd
be interested to ask you how you how you came

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from transitioning out of the military to that to being
a YouTube guy.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
That's well, that's great. So I mean I was on
I think I think over a year ago now, and
again I think it was on Your Guys show initially
when I was maybe two months retired, so I had
just retired, just started the social media channels. I had
maybe like four or five thousand subscribers I think on YouTube.
So that interview is going to be very different in
this one. And that was like, you know, we told stories,

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we talked about my career, crazy war missions, which was awesome,
great episode. Fast forward like maybe twelve, like thirteen months later,
and you know, almost one hundred thousand subscribers within you know,
a year. Amazing, and I've you know again, Yeah, I
guess I am a influencer. Now. I think it's so dumb,
and I think I might have told Dave that when

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I first did the episode. I begrudgingly started these social
media channels because of my firearm's business. So my in
person business is arms instructive business, run all sorts of
different classes, teach law enforcement departments. So we got a
good business going out here in the Pacific Northwest. But
everybody was like, dude, with your resume, you have to
market yourself. If you're going to do this field firearms training,

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you're a retired Green Beret, valor awards like all the
shiny shit, you have to market yourself on social media.
So I begrudgingly started, you know, the YouTube channel and
just doing firearms content, just doing that. And I did
one video maybe in the first month that was the
harsh reality of becoming a Green Beret, and it was

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maybe eight minutes and I just told, like, you know,
all the shitty backstory to it, like going through the
Q course, you're probably going to get divorced, right, Like
you're not going to see your fucking kids for six
months out of the year. And that video, when I
had a brand new channel, got five six, seven hundred
thousand views, and that sort of like started that trajectory
on the YouTube channel where I switched from firearms, trauma medicine,

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do something here and there. But like two I started
doing Special Forces related content, talking about you know, things
in group things and just backstory stuff or like realities
of what have s F s F life is like,
and that all that content blew up, and so I
again was just like, I guess this is what I'm
doing now. Yeah, fast forward a year later with the

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success of the channel, now it's like, yeah, this is
what I'm doing now. So yeah, that's that's how I
got here.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Nate real quick.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
For anybody who has not seen Nate's episode is episode
two and twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Check it out. Is fantastic.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
You'll see him when you'll see him when he was
a baby, a little baby YouTuber fresh from the egg,
hanging out in the nest.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah yeah, well, you know that's that's a really good episode.
So for for my fans, they know I don't talk
about war stories. I don't talk about any of that
type of stuff. So if you want all the best
war stories and the valor Oort stories like they're encompassed
on your g It's episode, nobody else has them, because
again it's just not like it's not for me, but

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I do. I like to talk about it with guys
like you, guys like us that have done the job.
I'm not like gonna make videos by myself talking about
my war stories, like it just doesn't feel right.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
And also, like how many different pods do you want
to go on and tell the same stories over and
over again, right, and every interview, every interviewer is going
to approach it differently and maybe pull different things out.
But like I've been on I think one interview where
I told my story and that's enough for me. I'll
go on pods to talk about other shit, but I
don't talk about me.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah yeah, And I don't think I've told any of
those stories since, because again they're awesome stories, like awesome stories,
but you're right, you know, like I lived them and
like talking about them. One I also don't and I
don't want to knock like the guys that go on
the podcast tour and that's all they do is tell
their war stories. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that.
But for me, it's like, in my worstes, my teammates

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got blown up and fucked up, and you know, I've
got teammates that have killed themselves since, so talking about
that doesn't one doesn't feel great for me. And also
like I'm always so hyper concerned that I'm gonna get
something wrong and not respect my teammates for their families
that it's just like I would rather just not really talk.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Hey, that's gonna be a little dark and a little
bit of insider humor. But I'm assuming you remember their names.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
I wish I wasn't. I wish I wasn't drinking right there.
I do not only do I remember all my teammates' names,
I also remember like all of the guys in first
Special Forces Group in the last ten years that have
been killed in their names. So yeah, well, I'm sure
we'll get into that subject.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
But before before we dive into the vetpro cinematic universe,
I did want to ask you about.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
I love that that's what it is at this point.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, yeah, one of one of the more recent videos
you made that really it resonated with me and I
think probably other people too. You made a video about
why Special Operations guys are not necessarily role models, and
I thought you laid it out very good about you know, like, yeah,
these guys are amazing.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
They can do incredible things, and they're.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Really nice guys, but they're also human beings and there's
a dark side to the job that they do, and
there's a reason why they ended up.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Doing that job.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah. Again, I was telling like I was talking to
you guys a little bit before we started, but I mean,
I'll just bring it back up since for the viewers.
But the reason why I initially made that video and
I didn't think it was going to be as popular
as it did. I figured I just wanted to sort
of talk about it. I mean, it's like a half
a million views in two weeks, I think. But and
like I said, it's definitely resonating with people based off

(09:44):
of the feedback. Is when we started to do the
exposure of Tim Kennedy the initial videos, the backlash from
the civilians that are fans of him was insane. They
lost their minds at the idea how could we possibly
attack this war hero and all this stuff. So like

(10:05):
this cognitive dissonance of like finding out that one of
these famous soft influencers potentially isn't who he claims to be.
I think it just shocked so many people because you know,
I mean that old guard of the soft influencers, nothing
against them, your Jocko's or Tim Kendee's, all these guys
have been sort of telling these stories and doing this

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type of thing and building up this sort of like
mystique of like the soft operator being this god that's
like untouchable and can do no wrong. And for those
of us that done it of known like we're just
regular dudes that did you know, a really high functioning job.
We're not any better necessarily morally than anybody else. And
so that's why I initially wanted to make the video,

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is to explain to everyone like here's the backside, here's
the truth, here's like the psychology of how a Green
Beret is literally selected for at SFAs, Like I'm not
making those things up, Like there was a back channel
of actual I think was SFAs Cadre talking about one
of the sites, was like, yeah, that's exactly what we're
looking for, right, We're looking for high functioning young men

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that have been through a lot of but not necessarily
trauma that built up resistance. They have the ability to
cope with insane things still get the job done, still
come back, reintegrate to the society. It's a very specific
type of person. But as we've just seen with the
things like Matt levels of Livensburger, right, that also can
lead to some insane psychosis. And when you're in that

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realm of sociopathic behavior and that scales too far off
the spectrum, we can see what happens there too. So
that was the intent of the video. It wasn't necessarily
like the I didn't want to make people feel like
uncomfortable anything. I wanted people to understand, like how these
brains actually work.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I have.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know, I'm as much a violator as any civilian
fanboy in a sense, because those old school guys are
my heroes that I will.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yeah, my dad's a Vietnam era GB. All his friends
are mac be saug legends, right, Like I grew up
with my dad's best friend, Riley Lott, who was just
inducted in Special Forces Hall of Fame because he was
Mike Force's n CIC for six years. Like, that's the
guys I was raised around, and I do it myself
to them. Yeah, what I mean, I understand it.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Right, there's there's still my heroes, you know, but I
do know them well enough now that I understand their
human beings. And there are even cases where I've heard
stories about people who I really admired and you find
out they did some things that were not just accidents.
But it's like, what that's like a character failing. You
know that I thought you were better than that. But

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you know, also, they're human beings. I put them up
on the pedestal, they didn't put themselves up there, And
then I find out that they're a human being, And
maybe I shouldn't be so disappointed because I'm a human being, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
And we are. We are human beings, right, and we're
but we're human beings that are called to do a
horrific job. At the same time. Man, it's not just
it's not just me as a soft operator you talk
about any better. Let's talk about the Marines in Fallujah, right,
called on to just do absolute horrific and not necessarily
that they're wrong or they're we're in the wrong as Americans.
I'm not saying that, but I mean going through a

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city and slaughtering, you know, one hundred thousand people that
is not necessarily the best thing ever, too, was kind
of my point, you know.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, well, and the brushes with death, the you know,
for the people that you lose, and you know, it's
like you say, like we're all normal people, but also
we also have these sociopathic traits that allow us to
compartmentalize and do things that maybe the average guy on
the street, you know, won't. And then on top of that,

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you pile on years of trauma that we shove aside
so we can we ignore completely so we can keep
doing the job.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
And then one day it's just all bubbles back up.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
And now you know, now we're talking about blast injuries
and CTEs and how they play with post traumatic stress,
like it's.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Just it's this stew of just stuff.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
They've my my therapist, because yeah, I've been through a
lot of behavioral health Like I'm honest about that, right,
and it's been great for me.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Right.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
I don't say that to you know, sound soppy or
PTSD or O me like I did it for myself,
my family, my wife, because I had temper issues whatever.
But my therapist, really good therapist, explained it as think
about your brain as a filing cabinet. What you've been
doing is stuffing that trauma, just stuffing papers into the
bottom of that spiling cabinet, and then just shoving papers

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on top of it, over and over and over again.
And at some point you think about that filing cabinet
is just an absolute shit show, and what you have
to do is take it all out, recompartmentalize it, put
it all back in order so it's exactly what it is, right.
And like you said, now you add in CTE and
blast injuries on top of it, and I think, you know,

(15:07):
I'm sure we'll talk about the whole tesla cyberchrucking this episode,
but I think that was my theory right out the
gate man. It was like, this is a nineteen year old,
a nineteen year SF dude, bronze star medals with valor
tons of combat deployments, probably been fucked up. Add on
top of depression PTSD, a little bit of psychosis, and

(15:27):
oh here we are, and.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
The problem is, you know, the problem is it also
insidious that a person like it's it normally takes somebody
outside of us to go you might have a problem
right now.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
That's my wife for me.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah, Like I remember we had we had Mike Edwards
on the show like maybe two or three years ago.
The first time he was on, and you know RD
Guy or RC and talking about somebody out of their
car because they you know, cut them off and you
know they were like trying to you know, break check

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them or whatever. And he's like, and you know, my
wife is like, pulling somebody.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Out of their car is not normal behavior.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
And at that moment, I go, oh shit, it's not
because I thought that was.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
That was that was my dad growing up. Yeah, Vietnam
era Greenbray, obvious PTSD, completely untreated because none of those
got to get treated in multiple times. Seven eight years old, Yeah,
same thing, pulling people out of car, beating the shit
out of people in middle of the street, getting back
in the car and driving off like that was normal
to me. And tell Tell I did the job, and
I went through the things I did, and I started

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to understand like, oh, that wasn't normal, and it's not
normal for me to be doing stuff like that either.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
And you know, It's interesting because your channel kind of
started at the for what you do, like reviewing the
life and the lifestyle of special operations.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
You started it at the perfect time because it used to.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Just be seals we talked about, Yeah, you know that
because they were the most public facing I think, And
now we're seeing, you know, we have plenty to talk about,
you know, whether it's with Tim Kennedy or.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
People like him.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
You have too much to talk about in.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
And then we have Matt and Matt's situation. As soon
as I started, I didn't dive into it for the
first couple of days because I I was like, there's
so much like smoke out there. I don't I didn't
want to get involved. Nobody knows anything and everybody's suspected.
But then as soon as I read sort of what
was going on, it reminded me of an article that
Jack had written five years ago about Michael Frodi, who

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was an SMU guy, a SAP guy who started having
delusions and you know it ended up taking his own life.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, And the problem is is that.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
You only know you're saying if you're asking yourself if
you're crazy, right, Like, when.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
You know everything is fact there's no breaks.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yep. Well, and we're the topic. We're the type of
guys that performed at such a high level that we
we always think we're right, you know, not that we are,
but like we always think we're sort of the most
intelligent guy in the room. Like I could be guilty
of it too, And I'm not that smart. I'm really not.
I'll get around like really smart people and then like
get drawn like my Air Force PJ buddies, and then
like get drawn back real quick and yeah, you're you're

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not smart.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
I want to express a political opinion that i'm at
and then somebody brace it down like they have a
background in.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Economics and like, well you're wrong, and I'm like shit.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, yeah, That's why I stay out of the political arena.
I'm just like I'm gonna say some shit that like
somebody is gonna do that exact thing, Like I'm gonna
like an idiot. I'm going to talk about strictly things.
I'm a subject matter expert in yeah, and that's what
I do. And also I'm the same way with my
content where I do do current events content if it's
related to s stuff, but I don't I'm always twenty

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four to forty eight hours late of everybody else's content.
If you go back and watch my content, I'm always
sort of the last one to weigh in, and I
do it for that reason. I'm like I it's like
always the first story is always almost wrong, and it's
like almost always. Like the Mic Glover situation, I covered that.
I was the last person into that, and I was

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the first one to say, Hey, let's pump the brakes right.
Maybe this isn't what it looks like. But had I
just been the same way as everybody that was like, oh,
here's a plury support, this guy's a domestic abuser, let
me do a video, right, I would have got egg
on my face too. So that's that's what I try
to do, is just I'm always trying to take a
tactical pause and sort of let things unfold a little

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bit before I put myself out there. For self preservation
is a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Speaking of that, there's like to sort of like preface
a bit of this conversation. There's a question that I
like to throw to you, Nate and Dave, also based
on you know, I with all this stuff going on
in the in the vet bros. Cinematic universe right now.
You know, we've all been getting a lot of text
messages from friends like what's going on. Yeah, And I

(20:03):
had a phone call with an old ranger buddy guy
I go way back with, you know, twenty some odd
years ago and at this point, and you know, he
was asking me about some of this stuff, and I
was like, we listen, all that's bullshit. Don't worry about it.
It's not true, you know. And he was a little
bit relieved, you know, I think to hear that. But
he was also like, Jack, do you ever feel like
responsible to use your platform to like correct the record

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and tell people what.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
You know that it's bullshit?

Speaker 2 (20:29):
And I was like, oh damn, dude, you had to
put me on the spot like that, because I also
I'm very allergic to the melodrama. I like, I think
it's really silly. And I've been out of the Army
fifteen years at this point. It's like, that's like, right,
that chapter of my life is kind of closed.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Right, Yeah, I'm twelve months out, So for me, it's
like I'm like all my buddies are still teams, right, Yeah,
I'm kind of like still in it.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
But so the question I want to ask to you
two guys and we to discuss is like, do you
think that our responsibility special Ops veterans is to stay
out of the mellow drama, not get involved, stay above it,
or is there a responsibility at a certain point on
certain topics to come forward and say.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I know this isn't true.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
No, that's I mean, that's a great question. And I
don't know, Dave, if you want me to go.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
First, yeah, go ahead, brother.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
So here's the deal. It's one of those things of like,
I didn't get involved in any of this until the
Mic Glover drama, and then it looked bad to me,
and he was at Green Beret and I didn't agree
with the way it looked, and I wanted to help
a dude that I thought was a good dude, and
I didn't believe the story. Turns out I was right.

(21:41):
I've been riding about almost everything, not going to toot
my horn on all these stories, but it turns out
I was right. So I felt good about that. But
at the same time, I have used my platform mainly
to defend people. Right when Eric Deming came out and
did his stuff with Jocko. I did an episode following
that I didn't. I actually of you guys credit for
being the only ones that like questioned some of the

(22:03):
shit he was saying, because everybody else just was like, hey, man,
tell us, tell us this all this shit. So I
was the first one to sort of like, hey, let's
let's diagnose this. And I defended Jocko. I defend I
just depended Andy Stump the other day. So people are like,
you always attacking Navy seals. I'm not like I'm always
defending other veterans. But the whole Tim Kennedy situation has

(22:25):
flipped that on its head for me, and I think one,
he's a Green Beret. Two it was the Valor Awards.
The lying about the Valor Awards is what did it
for me. That's because I wasn't gonna get involved. Here's
the thing, you know, I haven't told anybody this in
the entire Tim Kennedy drama, but I like aaron stuff
on your guys's channel that I've never said. Right, here's

(22:47):
some backstory to the viewers. Okay, I was in business
negotiations with sheep Dog Response to become their Pacific Northwest
farms instructor partner our companies together. When this shit happened,
when Tim Kennedy was exposed by the Anti Hero podcast,
everybody who said to me, you're just in this for

(23:07):
the money, for the four hundred dollars a YouTube video, right, No,
I gave up a massive, massive financial situation out of
integrity from a Green Beret who obviously to me had
been committing shit tons of stolen valor that I didn't
want to get involved with anymore. All right, So that's

(23:28):
to me, I guess, was like the breakpoint to where
I was like, I have I feel like a moral
responsibility because, like Jack said, because we have these platforms,
and none of my buddies, none of my Green Berets
have these platforms. If they're pissed off about Tim Kennedy
committing stolen valor, they can't them saying anything's not going
to do anything, right. But because we have these platforms,

(23:50):
do I have a responsibility to the regiment, to my
fellow Green Berets, to all the veterans who came before me,
who earned valor awards and died in the process getting
their hearts. I decided in this case, I do have
a moral responsibility to use my platform in a way
I thought was appropriate to uphold the integrity of the

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Special Forces regimen. So what I don't want to do
going forward is be the guy that's like inserting in
myself into all the fucking drama in the Vetro circle. Right,
It's easy to do. But yeah, so that's my answer.
Jack is like, this was a very like sensitive personal
one to me and that's why I got involved. But again,

(24:34):
I did it out of integrity. Man, Like I tell people,
I'm like, you know, what had been the smart thing
for me to do. The smart thing for me to
do financially would be to come out and defend Tim
Kennedy and gut the anti hero podcast credibility and use
my platform as the integrity guy to back him, and
then find myself into that Tim Kennedy Vetro monetary circle.

(24:56):
But I didn't do that, right because again, to me,
you cannot lie about having valor wards and purple hearts,
because all of the people that we served with that
came before us, that died earning them, it's just a
slap in the face to them that I just I
wasn't willing to do it. And I said from the
very start, even the Anti Hero podcast. I really didn't

(25:16):
care about their episode. I didn't care about the book,
I didn't care about the war stories. It was the
trigger for me was Tim Kennedy's Facebook post that said
I have received valor awards for every combat deployment I
have been on. When I saw that and I knew
he didn't, That's when I said, now I'm involved in
this situation. Sorry, that's long winded.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
But before I give my answer, why don't you go
ahead and do the copy track and then I'll.

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who had an excellent smelling drundle. But yeah, so to
to piggyback off what you said, like I don't like
the drama, Like I didn't say. I watched some of
the stuff going on with the mic glovers and tried
to stay up on what the latest reporting was, But

(28:09):
I don't like the VET drama.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I don't like vets tearing down other vets.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
I also, though, do not think that pointing out veterans
lies about their service, even if it's not about valor awards,
but pointing out their lies, I don't think that's tearing
down other vets. I think that's keeping vets in check
because if we don't do it, we who have insider

(28:37):
knowledge and know when somebody says they pack a rucksack
with fifty grenades, that's not a thing.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
You know that you civilians aren't gonna know.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
And so for me, it's not so much about who
did what to whom.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Or.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
You know, stuff that's going on in their person lives
or anything like that, because I want to see vets succeed,
you know, whether whether it's with a coffee company, a podcast,
a T shirt company, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
You hit them like, go negative, right, And it also
seems very caddy, very catty, you know.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah, very caddy, and and I want to see veterans succeed,
but I also want to I want them to tell.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I want people to tell the truth.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
And for us, you know, when it comes to stuff
like this, for people in the Tellivision community, it comes
to people like Wayne Simmons.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
You know, we're the only people who actually know.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
And if we try to play the whole decorum thing
and go, well, I know he's full of shit, but
I'm not going to say anything, then what you're doing
is you were allowing these people to go out there
and make a bad name in our name, you know,
a bad name for.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Us to caveate off that. So I waited in on
the Sean Ryan episode and everybody's you're attacking Sean. I
didn't attack Sean. I did the episode about why I
thought that email was stupid and why I thought that
the dude was suffering from psychosis. Well, they were freaking
out about this being like some China New war thing.
So my point was and the reason why I felt

(30:11):
like I'm going to interject on this is why, like
you just said, because I know better. How do I
know better? Because this is a special Active Duty Special
Forces eighteen zulu, I intimately know what access to information
eight e eight eighteen zulu on an ODA has and
it's not Bob Lazar Element one fifteen anti gravitational propulsion systems. Right, Sorry,

(30:35):
you know that Zach knows that random Actually.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
My team sergeant knew everything, so I don't really.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Know, but you know my point, like the actual access, well,
oh well he had a ts SCI so everybody it
was in the eighteen course, Like that'll give you anything.
And then also he goes into the second section where
he talks about the strike the strike targeting war crimes.
Right I started, I'm like, I was in Afghanistan in
twenty eighteen. I did a lot of strike targeting and

(31:04):
our missions. I know how I think I told the
story on our podcast about how we had to do
ad mission back to back nights because the two star
was asleep and wouldn't sign off on blowing up one building, right,
that was full of what sixteen pounds of hm E,
I know how hard it is to strike one building,
and you're gonna tell me there was some two star

(31:25):
in the siege just sod off jock with fifty people watching.
That's like, blow up, blow it all.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Up, kill right, kill everybody, Kill everybody.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
So the military is my point of Like I read
that and go, I know better. Civilians don't know better.
Nobody knows bet. They just think this is crazy. But
guys like us are like, reread that and they're like,
this is fucking dumb. So we do have a responsibility
to be like this is dumb. Here's the reason why.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
And I think that's like, I think that's totally fair,
the idea to take somebody's because, like I said, there
are two articles out there that if you guys want.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
To understand how bad this gets.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Read Jack's article was in Yahoo News on Michael frodi
uh and you know what he went through. And then
there's another article in the New York Times about the
Marine artillery unit that was in Syria and launched more
artillery than I think anybody has since World War Two,
maybe even before then. And these guys were coming back

(32:22):
and seeing apparitions, seeing demons that the last the blast
injuries to them, it had serious effects.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
And so so for me, like looking at.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
Somebody who is a really tragic story and then and
then sort of like building conspiracy off of his own delusions,
is just.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
It's not right. I love that you brought that up.
I was just having a conversation with jameson Travels right
before I came on this podcast about how that's the story.
The nineteen year g WATT veteran has been fucked up
in combat, who's got PTSD, who suffers a psychotic break

(33:09):
and doesn't have any fucking support and doesn't have the
mental health support that he needs. That's the story, not
that fucking Chinese drone, you know, right, So it's it's
it's a it's discrediting the guys you're talking about who
have had these issues, right, and and the real the
real story here is how fucked up all these g

(33:31):
WAT veterans are and how the military that should be
the story in the news. Sean Ryan's podcast about aliens.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
And shit like that.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Yeah, it's you know, and it's still a serious problem
because I just talked to a buddy whose daughter is
dating an active duty guy and he's conventional, but he's
been in a lot of combat and he's having some
serious issues with post traumatic stress and he will not
go seek help because the military, the military, the military
is still punishing people for it.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
The military is still you know, they are still like
booting people out for it.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
I just I do you guys know who? Ben Pappus
is one of the one of the commanders that stood
up Marsk. He's on a podcast with me on the
War Room sometimes. Awesome dude. But we were talking about
the other other day. The question got asked like, if
you are suffering PTSD, should you seek help? Will you
be punished? And then he said like, you'll never be punished, YadA, YadA,
And I had to stop him as an NCO and say, well, wait, yeah,

(34:27):
as long as you report this through the the precise
correct channels and do it in the appropriate way, not
through don't go to your company commander and say I'm
suffering from PTSD or drug use. No, you can't do that.
You like the military has these very strict linear paths
of doing this to where you can't be punished. But
if you slip up and do this the wrong way

(34:47):
and tell the wrong person, you are one hundred percent
right the military. I've watched dudes that have self reported
in my unit that I am friends with get fried.
Yeah fried for self reporting. Yeah, so, I mean you're right,
there's huge, huge, there's a huge stigma because that's the truth.
Like that that can still happen to dudes if they
don't do it the right way. Yeah, it's fucked up
if you think about it. I don't know if I
personally not.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I know, no, no, no, you're fine.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
The other thing I think that, you know, like people
who don't know, like the whole when he mentioned his
first car.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
And oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
And and you know, and then some people says, do
some good O scent and they said, oh, well, like
it wasn't his first car, like this is his like registration.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
It's like understand how an isoprep works.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
Sure, when you're a boot and you know, don't know anything,
and you go in and you do your isoprep, you
answer all the questions honestly, like you're like you're calling
your parents hand, you're calling your parents saying.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Hey, what was the first street we lived on?

Speaker 5 (35:43):
Right?

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Right?

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Because you don't remember.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
But the thing is is that you don't remember, so
you can't call your parents.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
So if I would have been a if I would
have been a POW in twenty eighteen days and somebody
would have showed up and asked me for my isoprep
or my keywords, I would have had no fucking clue.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
What they were.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, exactly, because you're right, you fill them out and
then like three, four or five years go by, Yeah,
and you're like, you don't know what you put in there? Yeah,
but yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
And so the thing is if you when you do
them enough, you're like, what's the thing that stands out?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
So it's like, who is your first girlfriend? Well, it's
wonder woman, Like that's the first girl I had a question?
I don't remember. It was Becky in the third grade.
Can you guys explain what is okay? So the ISO prep?

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Yeah, the ISO prep is a is a form that
you fill out that you know has your fingerprints, has
your photo, probably now has DNA I don't know. But
it also has a number of questions that if you
are ever captured or if you are like looking for recovery,
in order to validate who you are, or in order

(36:44):
to validate that it's actually you asking for the pickup
from the recovery people, they will use these very detailed
questions on your ISO prep to verify that it's you
that when they're to talking to or to when they
go on target and you know, and bring out all
these people that you know, they'll they'll have you know,

(37:08):
people's is of prep questions or whatever.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
So it's used in recovery whatever, like pow. What's the
idea behind it exactly?

Speaker 4 (37:16):
You can kind of think of it like security questions
for your bank if you're if you like, forget your
password six security questions. That's kind of like that.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
And the other problem is is that in today's you know,
information environment, the Chinese, the Russian, they know where like
any question that's on that I was so propped. They
can figure out the same way the same way people
on Twitter or x figured out what is vehicles were
so a lot of times, like for fate for my
first car, I used to put kit from night Rider

(37:47):
because that's something that nobody else would know, but.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
It's something that would always stick with me.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Right.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
It doesn't have to be a true answer, it has
to be the answer you know.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
You can that you can remember when you need to.
It doesn't matter what it is. Like you could ask,
you know, what's your favorite car and the answer could
be banana, right, but as long as you know the
answer and there because for the audience of reference, Like,
let's say Delta is coming to hostage rescue you like
they have your isopet, yeah, like and they're gonna as
they be like, here is a hostage who might be

(38:19):
six ten months later, beard disheveled. They're going to ask
you those questions to figure out who you are.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
And even and you know, and it can happen in
other types of recovery situations where like, you know, you
get separated from the unit or you know, you're out
there doing whatever and you wander into a town and
call them from a phone and you're saying, hey, this
is so and so I need to recovery in this
location and you know, and they're like, well, how do like,
how do we know this is in some elaborate ambush

(38:45):
that we're sending people into. So they'll pull out your
isoproup and then ask your questions to verify that this
is really you.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
On the phone yea or whatever.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Yeah, so you know, so there were things in that
email that, like you say.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
We know and we know why they you know, we
know the deal.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
But if you want to, if you want to lead
people down a conspiracy road, you can because they don't
know better.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
That's the problem I have.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I was just gonna I was just gonna say that,
you know, I was talking to Dave earlier about this,
and I think you nailed it too in some of
the videos you made, Nate, that that manifesto really only
has one use, uh, and that is to give a
little bit of insight into that person's mental state at
that time, Right, and I think it clearly shows, as
we all know, he was having a mental health crisis.

(39:37):
That manifesto should not be used as a valid source
of information about aerospace technology, Chinese drones, war crimes in Afghanistans.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Know that that is not how we use.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I pardon the non clinical term, the ravings of a badman.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, you know this is that's not You do not
go to a manifesto for that type.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Of information, right, And I don't know if you guys saw,
but the police department right before we came on just
came out and released a little bit more information. Apparently
he had like a ten page manifesto in his phone
with more insane rantings and obviously all talking about how
he's being followed by the FBI, the d like he
was going on and on and on and on and

(40:19):
how he was they were tracking him and he could
see them and he was tracking their vehicles and all
that and now and I don't necessarily trust the intelligence agencies,
but like the FBI and everybody's come out and been like, look,
this guy wasn't on any watch list, Like nobody was
targeting this dude. He was your typical like no criminal record,
active duty Special Forces team sergeant, like nobody, none of

(40:41):
us know who this guy is, so like which I
kind of believe right like and based off his career,
Like you don't make it to be an active duty
team sergeant if you're out doing crazy shit and getting
arrested and doing all stuff like that. But that just
kind of shows of like this huge manifesto of like
like like again psychosis and think you're being tracked and
think you're being monitored in this insane paranoia that's just

(41:05):
wasn't happening. And what really and that really pissed me
off was the Sean Ryan Live not I don't know
if you guys listened to it, not the not the episode,
but he had they had like that Twitter live that
they did that came out after like the episodes of
Me and jameson Travels and everybody that was like, this

(41:25):
is fucking dumb, what are we doing here? And they
brought on a bunch of former FBI agents, a bunch
of Green berets, Navy seals, and everybody just talked about
how this is obviously all true and this is a
huge conspiracy and he's still alive and they're tracking him
and he's trying to make it to Mexico and it's like,
what are you guys fucking doing? None of you know

(41:47):
any of this. Wait. First of all, even if this
conspiracy was true, nobody knows what's going on. But like,
this is a lot of credible voices to tell the
American public like, hey, don't trust what's going on on.
You need to listen to this crazy shit. That was
super disappointing.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
See, there was another one then because I listened to
one was it last night or the night before, I
can't remember where.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
There were a bunch of guys who.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
Came on who had been kind of opposing what Sean
had said, and they're like.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
This was like a big circle jerk session of.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Okay, yeah, I didn't hear that one out and Nate.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
That goes back to my earlier comment about like responsibility
and you know where where does it lie? So I've
never spoken about this publicly for some of the reasons
I mentioned previously. But there are certain people I have
not booked on this podcast and would not because I
think there are credibility issues, And for sure one of them,

(42:47):
to tell you the truth is Tim Kennedy. I had
an advanced copy of his book. I could not make
it past the back cover synopsis.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
On you you were the only person that ever read it.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Well, I didn't mean it was just the back cover.
I didn't make it through.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
The back cover.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
We read it and we were like that was enough
for me.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
I was like, this is this is a no for us,
right And when a well known military podcast has a
bunch of people like Tim Kennedy, this guy with the
conspiracy theories about the cyber trucks and a bunch of
other dubious military tales, uh and other weird Well.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
I mean, let's let's call spade a spade, like I'll
call it for you. We're talking about Sean Ryan, right,
And let's be clear. And I said this before. I
like Sean Ryan. I like his show, but I watch
it for entertainment. I understand. The dude has on a
bunch of wazoo fucking UFO alien like reptiles and Antarctica interviews,

(43:45):
and he doesn't push back at all, and he lets
him spew all their crazy shit. Tim Kennedy, That's fine,
it's entertainment. The problem is is when Sean Ryan decides
that he's the bastion of truth for the information that's
coming out about a serious domestic terrorist attack, that's when
you have to stop and say, Okay, no, that's not

(44:05):
what your show is. Okay, no, no, knock on your
show again. I like it, but the guy you had
on right like came on and peddled a bunch of
crazy bullshit. And and I also think then, and I
told people this, this is why I don't beat sewn
up for it, because it's like you have these type
of people on your show all the time, and that's fine,
but like, don't pretend to be something that you're not.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I don't know the guy personally. I don't have any
problem with him personally.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
No, I think I think again, I like him, Like
I'm not beating him up. I like his show.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I'm glad he's this.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
He's as successful as he is, you know, like I
love I love to see veterans succeed. But but you're right,
But it's but it's weird because he he he has.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
This fine line. You know, he has Trump on.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
He does have people on who have very real things
to say.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
It goes back and forth. There's some really great, credible
uh sources on there and some great interviews, and then
again you'll have the guy who said he was a
janitor in Antarctica where there was reptile alien people right right.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Like my favorite was the guy who didn't know if
he was in the Special Activities Directorate or Special Activities Division.
I was like, that's like saying, like you're you're in
the Ranger regiment, but you don't know if it's a
regiment or a brigade.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Like I'm not sure if I was in Ranger Batter
or r RC, but.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I'm not as you as you put it, Nate. I mean,
what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Yeah, yeah, exactly what are we doing? Yeah? Again, I
want to cave out for the viewers before they freak out.
I like Sean Ryan Show, I'm not beating him up.
I'm just saying, come on, well they can.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
There's there's a pile on effect and there are a
lot of people out there who really enjoy all the
melodrama and you know, picking a side and fighting. And
the reason why I think it's rather silly when you
zoom back from all of it is that, like end
of the day, like none of these people arguing on

(45:58):
the internet, they don't give a shit about your life
or you know, your family, and they don't care about
me or you know what I have going on, So
you have to like take the comments section should be
taken with a grain of salt.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
That was a learning experience for me over the last
twelve months. Jack. I started because I did you know,
I was an actual I was an actual, silent professional.
I didn't have any social media. I did my job,
Like I started these social media channels when I retired,
and the first couple of months I was in the
comment section maybe like like he like arguing, you know

(46:31):
what I mean? And over time I had one one
of my creator buddies that sort of mentored me. I
was talking to him about it, and he gave me
this quote that's changed my whole perspective ever since. He said,
every time you see a comment that pisses you off,
I want you to remember fifty percent of Americans read
at below an eighth grade comprehension level. And I went,

(46:52):
that's the people in the comments. There's no point what
am I I'll still, like I say slights back and forth.
You know, somebody like tries to say some suit super
insulting stuff. I'll do some witty comebacks. But yeah, like
the comment section, you're right, it is a deranged like we've.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
We've had people from the same show in comments in
our comment sections, both calling us.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Russian like.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Asians and like you and Ukrainian like trolls like.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Like because we tried to both because.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
We tried to present like a nuanced view of a situation.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Or you'll have like what one interview we do where
they're calling us left wing lunatics and another where they're
calling us right wing propagandas it's.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Like, yeah, mega propaganda.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's like it's like kind of we can be whatever
you want us to be, you know, whatever your agenda is.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Well, what did you get?

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Sorry, David, I was just gonna ask you, like, what
kind of feedback did you get from your review of
the Eric Deming claims, Oh.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
That's interesting. I don't know if I should. I'll get
into this that that didn't stop with that video. I
I've talked to Eric personally for a couple hours, one
on one. I'll get into that in a second if
you guys want to. Yeah, But initially it was really
kind of a fifty to fifty man, Like a lot

(48:15):
of people wanted Jocko to be a war criminal, which
was kind of shocking to me because he isn't like
a a Tim Kennedy personality where it's like look at me,
look at me. He seems like a very I like
his content, like a very leadership like, build up self
accountability type of guy. So it was kind of surprising
to me when I came out and defended him, how
many people were angry with me for not calling him

(48:39):
a war criminal, right, which was weird, but it was
a real fifty to fifty split. Just for my initial
coverage of that, And again I did a I did
a full hour long video I used your guys this episode. Yeah,
I went through the whole thing, and I just I
just called balls and strikes, right. I said, these are
things that sound really credible my experience of doing this,

(49:02):
these are things that don't sound credible. Since then, I
talked to Eric one on one, and I don't think
Eric's a bad guy, right, And I pressed him very
hard on the exact same things I pressed him on,
like one of the things where he says he was
getting guys killed in Ramadi, And I said, over and
over again, Eric, tell me how he was getting guys

(49:23):
killed in Ramadi. They were doing daytime rates. Yeah, so
was I in vso man, right, tell me how he
was getting people killed. Oh, well, the martial arts gym.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
And it was like and we did this loop back
to back to back, and we kind of did it,
and I was like, maybe he's right, maybe he's not.
After that, I had two of the guys from the
team in Ramadi reach out to me. Unhonestly, they didn't
want anything to do with it. But I'll tell you
from the emails, it's very credible, Like you know when
you are talking to someone incredible in an email where

(49:53):
they they've got names, unit names, all that. And they
talked about Mike Lee's funeral, right, they were like, we
were at Mike Lee's funeral. No one at that funeral
said anything about Jocko getting people killed. Nobody at that
at that funeral said anything about Jocko being a coward.
They were objective. They were like, look, there was some
dumb shit Jocko was doing. This, was this, this and this.
So it was a pretty fair back and forth. But

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the and I didn't want to do it. I'm like,
I'm and and again. I also told Eric, I said, Eric,
if you can bring me eye witnesses, they don't have
to come on the show. They just have to reach
out to me. And I just have to find them
credible to anything anything firsthand, any of the claims you've made.
A single eyewitness, I will platform you. I haven't heard

(50:40):
back from him in two and a half months, so
I will just say maybe he doesn't want to get involved,
but he came out of doing a lot of accusations,
and when I gave him the opportunity to bring receipts,
he went silently. So again that's that was long winded.
But yeah, I think now that it's kind of died out,
people are back to you know, sort of like Jocko

(51:00):
seems like a normal dude. And I'm not excusing and
saying Jocko's like some prince I've heard, like the shit
in Ramadi sounds pretty sketchy. Yeah, he was probably doing
some dumb fucking shit, I'll say that, But but is
he this war criminal that was telling Chris Kyle to
go kill civilians? I don't know, man, Yeah, that's a
tough sell for me.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
You're you're you're right that when you know, accusations of
murder uh or negligence that's killing.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Soldiers are made.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
That does require evidence, uh, you know, extraordinary evidence in
some cases.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
So I get where you're coming from.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Well, and the thing is is that like in this community,
we've all been divorced, so we all know like what
it's like to love somebody and what it's like to
not love them, and and and then like see like
see how our truth is very much informed. Our truth
about them is very much informed by our feelings about
them and how those change over time.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
And like for me, I felt that.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Eric had probably a legitimate CROs right put the whole
CQC thing. Yes, it did sound as though there were
some shenanigans that went on.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
With that, and from what and from what I've heard,
credibility wise, like Jocko was banned from any contracts going
forward with the Navy. Like those I agree, I called
balls and strikes right and stuff sound incredible. But but
to me, that's where the problem then became exactly like, oh,
he seems like he's so emotionally invested in the slights

(52:29):
against him exactly. Maybe it's maybe.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
That's what I thought too, And that's why when he
was on the show and started saying amazing, it's like, okay,
like we need to like did.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
You hear this firsthand?

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Yea, some of these accusations, because like we don't our
show is about giving people a platform, and a lot
of times we don't push back.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
We don't question a lot of what. We don't have
murder accusations every day either. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Well, but but you guys did push back on that.
I remember Day pushed back on that, like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey,
you need to tell us did you see this firsthand
or did you hear it? And because that's important, right, Like,
if you're gonna if you're gonna say these things in public,
there's gotta be some context to it, right.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
And that's what it felt like to me, is that
he had he had a legitimate thing about the CQC stuff,
and then that was like then he took that and.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Not smeared it.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Because I don't think that Eric is dishonest or like
or whatever, but I do feel like he has a
bit of an aster grind and maybe maybe kind of
gets a little target fixated in the sense of and
I think he's a lovely guy. I think he's a
great guy.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Again.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Yeah, for us talking to him one on one, he
seemed like it. He seemed like an awesome dude, super
fucking nice dude. I just personally when I tried to
press him beyond the third hand stories, right, tell me
how you know this beyond like rumor mill of the
seal teams, Right, I could never get anything beyond of
like it's known in the community, right, Yeah, man, But

(53:56):
like there's a lot of things there are rumors in
the kit.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
The thing is you will believe, like you'll believe things
about people that you don't like based on past information
that you wouldn't go about your best friend.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
So it really a lot of times when you're hearing
these rumors.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
About people, the context is really important in terms of
like what do you think?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
What do you already think about this person?

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Well, and I also try to tell people and I'm
sure Jack and I don't know how bet it's the
way and range about as well. But I'm like, do
you guys got to understand, like the soft team rooms
are fucking like mean girls in the most drama rumor
mill bullshit you will ever see. Like the level of
rumors and gossip that goes on in like the company
hallway would blow your fucking mind. Right, So it's like

(54:44):
rumors and like this type of shit's not like oh
so and so was like taking fucking ketymine while he
was fucking on target and YadA, YadA, YadA, Like there's
so much of that that like you got to take
that with a grain of salt if it's the community
knows this is true.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
On that note, I'd like to ask you this thing
about the community because I feel like a lot of
the things that we've been talking about, a lot of
the things you've been talking about, Jay, Brent Tucker, all
those guys, there are things that are actually pretty well
known in the special operations community. Oh yeah, but I
found that ten years ago, twelve years ago, fifteen years

(55:21):
ago when I would talk to people about, hey man,
Marcus Latrell's story doesn't check out, like there's some things
wrong there, or you know, Chris Kyle lied.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
About some things. Right. People looked at me back then
like I was crazy and.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
You caveat that. Yeah, because that's the perfect one. Marcus Latreux,
lone survivor in the eighteen Echo Course. I can't say
I have to be careful about this, right because of
where this information comes anyway, Let's just say in the
eighteen Echo course before the movie came out, one of
our biggest lessons learned in the eighteen Echo course about

(55:56):
checking your radios and having crypto in your radios came
from that ambition and the failures of that and the
backside of that. And because there's someone potentially over there
that was involved in that, that knows that that's what's happened.
That was before the movie, that was before the book.
It was just known. It was part of the course
we taught it as a learning lesson about how dumb

(56:17):
this was and how this whole story was bullshit. Right,
So like to your point, that was just that was
just common knowledge, right, that was fifteen years ago, that
that was common Yeah, twelve years ago now that was
common common knowledge. So to your point, like, yeah, and
Chris Kyle, right, like all of these things, Rob O'Neil

(56:38):
is a great one as well. I don't want to
knock the dude, but it was like when that came out,
like I had Delta Force buddies who were like, yeah,
fucking that didn't happen. Yeah, that was like immediately right
now he didn't kill him. Yeah, and you're just like, oh, okay, right,
but yeah, and then you just move on with your
life because you're active duty and you don't give a
shit nobody and you're not talking about it. Yes, the

(57:01):
vast majority of these things are just like they're just
common knowledge.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, why do you think that it's sort of all
It's not not only is it all coming out? I
mean journalists and other people wrote about this stuff ten
years ago. But why do you think it's hitting so
hard right now? And it seems like people are are
And I got to answer, yeah, they're they're ready to
hear it. I mean, is it because the wars are over?

(57:25):
I mean, what do you think.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
It's No, I think it's societal. I think twenty twenty four,
twenty twenty five is where we are in a moment
of truth telling and authenticity in everything in society. You
look across the board, no matter what it's been over
the last years, it's like the Epstein shit, the Ditty shit.
It's like all lies are being Kat Williams came out
and said it a year ago, all lies will be exposed.

(57:48):
In twenty twenty four, everybody thought he was crazy and Kat.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Williams was exposed as had never even been a marine.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Right. So, but my point is, I just think we
are in an era of extreme authenticity that people for
whatever reason, and Tim Kennedy like the list goes on
of just people being exposed out of nowhere. I don't
think it's specifically a g I think I think the

(58:15):
war ending does have a big part of it. Because
people are bored, right, It's like we don't have anything
to do, so let's let's talk about drama because there's
no war to talk about. I do think there is
a portion of that on top of just the overarching
society being like thirsty for truth because we've kind of
been living in a disinformation whether I'm not saying like

(58:36):
right wing left wing, but just in general, so many
people like kind of being like we're just been lied
to for so long about everything that people are I
don't want to say waking up, but it feels like
we're kind of in like, yeah, waking up the time, right. Yeah,
it just kind of feels like that. And I think
that that's just part of the way it's going right now,

(58:57):
is like people are looking for truth and they're analyzing
things a lot closer than we used to. I guess,
so that'd be.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
That's no, that's a great answer. Yeah. I hadn't even
thought of it that way.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
So, I, uh, because people send me this stuff, I
did watch, uh, well, I watched your video this afternoon,
but I also I think last night I watched Brent
Tucker and his anti hero podcast. We've had Brent on
the show before, h Yeah, with with Tim's teammates, and

(59:32):
I have to say that. You know, my my take
on the whole thing is like, Okay, if he's making
up all these stories, that's bad for a whole series
of moral reasons, historical, factual veracity.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
There's all sorts of reasons why that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
But at the end of the day, like I kind
of just feel sorry for that person that they're so
insecure they're making that stuff up. But you know what,
what what kind of asked me up watching Brent's interview
with those guys was the way Tim raked his boys
over the coals and his book unnecessarily and unjust.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
All the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
And that's that's a really low thing to do, you know,
especially over something that's not true.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
Yeah, I mean even if it were, but it wasn't true.
And so where where does that come? Where does that
need to not only prompt on self up with lies?

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Well, I gonna tell you where it came from. Do
we want to call fucking call spatus babe? Sure, be real,
I'll call Spatus babe, be real. Tim Kennedy. Tim Kennedy
did what two years on an ODA? He's got two deployments.
I know, I've got his official military records. I know
I've had him the entire time. That's how I put
all this content out. He's got two deployments. He became

(01:00:43):
a Green Beret, went to Iraq in two thousand and
six as part of a sift team that he wasn't
so far to qualified for, which means he wouldn't have
been allowed to go on any of the fucking missions
to begin with. So he didn't do jack shit in
that deployment. And then his next deployment, he's a new
E six, right, he goes to Afghanistan and he's an
LENO for the checksoff which I can tell you this,

(01:01:04):
where do you put your biggest piece of shit in
the company, the leno at Bath. Yeah, that's where you
send him because nobody fucking wants him on a team.
Like again, I'm just calling a spade of space, right,
So he was an le and O for the checksoft
working at Bath. Nobody wanted him, and he gets to
go out. I'm finally on this one mission, right, which
apparently he did a fine job. Like he was just
a young new dude on a first kind of like

(01:01:26):
the first time out in Afghanistan. No big deal, that's
actually I'm not criticizing that. He obviously then writes an
entire book about how he's like the hero of the
entire story. That's that's complete bullshit, But that's like his
one mission. So he in combat, like he talks about
all these people he killed. I if I had to
put like gun to my kid's head, has Tim Kennedy
ever killed a human being?

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Before?

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
I would say no, I would say absolutely fucking not.
He's never. He hasn't killed nimoy, that would be my guess.
So what I mean by that is he's a dude
that did two years on the teams. He had two
non eventful combat deployments where he barely did anything, and
then he went National Garden and got out. Then he
decided he needed to be a war hero. And so
he then decides he's so insecure about not having done much,

(01:02:09):
he builds this giant war hero persona where he writes
all these books and makes up all these valor awards.
That's I think the true story of Tim Kennedy's military.
So you think I haven't wanted to beat him up,
but I think that's reality because why else would you
do this? You aren't that guy bro, Like you just
weren't that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
So you think that him throwing his boys under the
bus like that is basically him putting up a smoke screen,
like look at all these pieces of shit on the
real hero.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
I think it's an insecurity thing. Like you said, I
think he looked around like, because I'm not saying I'm
not insecure. I'm secured my service had a great career.
But I look at some of my teammates that got
I have oda teammates that have silver stars, and I
look at them and in my own head, I'm like,
and I have valor awards in combat wards a lot
more than most people. But I still look at those
guys and I'm like, fuck, I didn't do I didn't

(01:02:59):
do shit right, right, And I think what he did
is he really didn't do shit, and that he's also
insane level egomaniac, narcissist. Right. I don't think he gives
a fuck about his teammates. I don't think he cares
about anybody but himself. So yes, I think he decided
I'm going to put every because this is what a
lot of people do. Right, to feel better about myself,

(01:03:20):
I put others down. That's not a rare thing in society.
That's a very normal human behavior, and I think that's
what he decided to do. In an era of two
thousand and eight to two thousand and nine twenty ten,
social media wasn't a big thing, right, you like what
people were putting things on the Internet not thinking about
them being there were.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
A lot of soft guys on social media at that
time at all.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
That's my point. So I think he just he figured
he could say the shit because there was no soft
guys on social media and he could just get away
with it. And here's the thing he did. Yeah, he
got away with it for a long fucking time. And
I think once you start lying like that, you don't
get caught in two thousand and eight, you don't get
caught in two thousand and nine. You're going on Joe Rogan,
You're going like, ten years later, you haven't been caught

(01:04:03):
and no one's called you out at that point, like
you believe your own fucking story. But yeah, so that
that would be my guest. Jack. I think it's I
think it's utter insecure, which I know people are like
so crazy, like how is a fucking Green Bray UFC
fighter This insanely insecure, but that doesn't matter for men, right, Like,
as men again, you can look at your teammates, who

(01:04:26):
are all these grizzled, fucking combat veterans that did all
this fucking badass stuff and you didn't, And that internalizes
as I have to get out and make myself feel
like I was that guy. And I think that's what
it is for him.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Especially for the types of guys that go into special operations,
they are very I think a lot of us are
very sort of achievement driven, right, we're as we always
want to conquer that next that next challenge, whatever it is.
And and for people who don't, this is the thought
process because and I'll say this as a peacetime ranger, right,

(01:05:00):
this is the thought process that probably everybody goes through.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Man, I really want to go to combat. I really
want to go well, I really want to be a ranger. Okay,
all right, I really want to go to combat.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
And then like during my time, it didn't happen, but
then it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Then you finally go to combat and you're like, well,
I really want to get a firefight.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
You know, if you did a combat, you get a firefight,
and then you get in a firefight. You're like, I
don't think I killed somebody, Like I really want to
kill somebody. And then you kill somebody, it's like, well
it's just one, like maybe that was lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
And and then and.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Then it's like, oh, I really like to get you know,
an art com with a V device or a Bronze
Star with V device.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
It's like, oh I got a broad Star with a VD. Well,
you know, I don't have.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
A Solar Star or I don't have a purple heart,
Like there's always something more to look.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
At that Dave, you call it, you just called me
out because that was me. That was me then chasing
like moving my family to Japan to try to get
on the next rotation because my buddy former eighteen Delta
was the team sergeant go into the next Afghanistan rotation
to skipswick like appalling my hire like family to do
that just to like, oh I got to get that
next one. I get to get that next one. So

(01:06:07):
I dealt with that myself, like internally, so one hundred percent.
And there is that I got to the point where
I was just the main element leader literally running combat operations.
But you're still like, well, I need to get a
little bit higher than that, right, Like, you're right, like
I need to get an even bigger near ambush and
right like, well my my my buddy next to me's
got a silver star and I only have an RCMB,

(01:06:28):
so now I need to b SMB. Right. So that's
a really very rare, a very real thing.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
And the thing is, there's no real top unless you
were like in Delta and got a Medal of Honor
with like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Eight right hearts.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
Like that's the only thing because like, I have friends
who won valor awards are not purple hearts, and they
were confessional, And every time we talk about something practically,
they'll they'll say, well, you know, I was never in soft,
and I'm like, yes, like we've known each other for years.
I know you were never a soft, but you did
real Please stop sing everything with I was never in soft.
I know it's right, and I still admire like everything you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Did, you know, yeah, oh yeah for sure. So yeah, no,
I was just gonna say, and man, you want to talk,
let me do it on a side real quick, because
I always love to shout out regular infantry and marines
because I don't think they get enough credit for the
crazy shit they went through in g Watt, one of
my buddies who is a Delta Force legend. He was

(01:07:26):
just inducted into the Oregon Military Hall of Fame. On
every like high profile mission that there was in the
first fifteen years of the war. He told a story
at his induction ceremony because he was also part of
the Delta Force group that went in to save the
Marines in Fallujah that were getting basically overrun out of
that building where they had to bring the tanks in.

(01:07:47):
If you've heard Cody Alfred's story, he was one of
the Delta Fortes. He was the Delta Force medic in
that story that Cody Alford actually.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Didn't Hallama get a DSc for that, I believe, so yeah,
But anyway, he told that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
He told that story at his induction Hall of Fame induction.
That was the war story he decided to tell as
the craziest combat that he had ever seen and ever
been in in his entire career with regular Fallujah Marines. Right,
that was the craziest thing one of the most decorated

(01:08:23):
Delta Force operators had ever been in. So you hear
that and you're like, dude, these fucking eighteen nineteen year
old kids. And this was in two thousand and three
and two thousand and six, when like we didn't know
about CQB, we didn't know shit about urban combat like that.
We learned everything that we know now from that shit.
And these just eighteen and nineteen year old kids like
went in and did that. It blows anything I did

(01:08:47):
in combat so far out of the water that I
always looked at those guys in admiration. So when I
hear guys be like, oh, I was just a three
eleven marine, and You're like, that's in fallusion. Yeah right,
that's not that's not just a bro. That's like, shit,
well beyond I ever did when and when you were nineteen.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
Yeah, it's to say, like even like the Nasty Guard, right,
like you know, before the ge Wat, it was the
Nasty Guard. And then you see these kids, these you
know Arkansas kids out in the heat in Solder City,
like going Winchester in their you know strikers or their
Bradley's or whatever in Solder City and getting their A
cogs shut off their rifles. It's like, yeah, there's no

(01:09:26):
separation anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Like Yeah, when I tell people, I'm like, hey, man,
like and that that blowout near Ambush I was in
where my entire team got beall awards from silver Star down. Yeah,
I got fucking I got like breakfast the chow hal
that morning when I got off the plane at CAF right, right,
Like that's a whole different war to be working inn

(01:09:48):
than that early phase of the world. Like I'm not,
I don't tell any wise about that, Yeah, I mean
just different.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
Yeah, I always say that the Soft Mission it was tough,
it was dangerous, but it was also pretty guccy for
the most part.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Oh yeah, especially especially in the two thousand once we
got out of the s O and we went back
to the fobs and just operated just doing like halves
and gabs out of the fobs. Like, that's a very different,
very different war than the first half.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
It's not.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Yeah, no, no, yeah, So so what do you think
because when it comes, you know, like we see so
I'm gonna talk about stolen valor, but not with the
capital S, capital V like the federal law of stolen valor,
but actually just the idea of stolen valor about lying about.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
There and there is there is a difference, right, Like
if if you want to tell the audience, like what
real stolen valor means?

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
Valor is a federal crime and a crime in most
states I think too. But for the federal statute, in fact,
they had to change it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
They had like they had to.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
Narrow it down because it did impede on First Amendment rights.
But what it is down to now is I I
think it was twenty thirteen, is if you lie about
purple hearts or valor awards or combat uh car combat
actually all the ib ch U c abs and uh

(01:11:16):
what's the other on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
CMB.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
So if you lie about those those very narrow things
valor awards, purple hearts or combat awards is a federal crime.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Well, but there's even a bigger caveat for specific monetary.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Monetary game for monetary game.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Correct, So somebody walking around saying that they were Delta
Force and you know, did all these that's not that's
not stolen valor as.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
It's labeled as a crime.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
We might say it's stolen valor, but but we have
to say that it's it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
A small S small V stolen valor.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
It's not actually like like Tim's entire book, that's a
small S small V. Right, like he he made up
a bunch of war stories. That's but if he's lying
about I call it stolen valor. But I mean, well,
he didn't lie about val words in the book that
was on his Facebook page and over the place. But
like I'm just giving your audience context, like a bunch
of made up war stories, like Dave saying, that's not

(01:12:17):
like official stolen ballot.

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
Right, So a lot of times when we say stolen valor,
and I've changed my language a lot, and I rarely
say stolen valor now, all like like Tim Waltz, Steve
Slayton out of Arizona, the Republican candidate who got torpedoed
for lying about being on these secret ops, Tim Waltz
about his time in combat, Troy Nels, the Republican who

(01:12:42):
was wearing CIB when all he was authorized was a
C A B.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
You know, things like.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
This, and and again like this isn't political. We should
call it out wherever we see.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
It, especially with public officials, especially with public officials, Yes, sir,
but but the thing is is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
That it so talking about storm dollar.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Like we have the guys in the mall wearing uniforms
that they bought at the Army Navy trying to get
you know, a starter.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
The homeless guy in an army shirt, right, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
But what's really weird to me is when we see
it inside the service, and we see it two different ways.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I think we see it with people.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Who you know, we're a fuel depot operator and say
that you know they were an know three to eleven
or that they were s or that they were this
or that. Ye, And then we see it in our
own right, we see it with like Tim Kennedy and
Chris Kyle. There may be another personality out there making

(01:13:39):
the rounds talking about acting his way through Afghan checkpoints,
which we all know is not something.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
That one is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Yeah, there's there's somebody on my radar too. I'm not
gonna say, but yeah, there's a few more that there's
some potential too.

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
And so you know, I'm curious what you think and
both of you, really, where do you are these people
just habitual liars and at any point along the way
if they hadn't been in the military, where they lie
and say they're a military or are they people who
are unimpressed by what they did, even if they did
great things and always want it to be a little

(01:14:16):
bit more.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Oh, I mean, yeah, I guess I'll take that. I
think for one, I want to say what let me
say what's worse? Okay, because I think I want people
to know this. What's worse? A is a Green Beret
lying about having valor awards worse than a homeless guy
on the street wearing an armyp T shirt. Kami, Yes,
eight million, thousand times percent. Tim Kennedy's stolen valor to

(01:14:41):
me is ten thousand times worse than the marine cook
who said that he was an infantryman. Why, well, because
the expectations are a thousand times higher on you for
your character, right, Okay, So that's that's where I want
to come from from there. Why they do it? Oh
my god, that is we're getting it. We need to
get a psychiatrist on that, because again, like especially in

(01:15:07):
the soft ranks. Right and let me let me just
talk about Rob O'Neil. Okay, as a example, I don't
beat Rob O'Neil up because Rob O'Neil is a fucking
war hero. The dude has silver stars, not from that
fucking operation. He is well known as a badass, motherfucking warfighter. However, Comma,

(01:15:27):
we also have this other fucking side of the coin,
where he very obviously didn't kill Osama bin Lauden and
has written books and then made millions of dollars off
of those fake stories. How do we get that psychologically?
I have no idea because I can't transplant myself into
the brain of that, because I am so hyper careful

(01:15:52):
myself about when I talk about these things to make
sure that I don't delineate from the truth at all,
that I can't comprehend about how these dudes can just
blatantly lie to not only like the American people's faces,
but like that's like, we know it's not true, and

(01:16:16):
you're telling us to our faces. We're fucking dumb. So
maybe Jack's got a better take that out of me psychologically,
But for me, I don't understand it. I wish I
had a better answer for that, but I just I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yeah, no, I don't think I have necessarily a good
answer or a satisfying answer. I think, yeah, you're right,
these people are driven by massive insecurities, and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
We've we've touched upon it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
I mean, there are a lot of insecurities and special operations.
I mean we're oh yeah, We're always testing each other,
testing ourselves. Am I good enough? You know the self
talk that you mentioned, You know what? I live up
to these guys. Am I as good as that guy
over there. There's a lot of that, But most of
of us have that inner dialogue of like, you know,

(01:17:04):
this is what is real and this is what is not.
And some folks, yeah, are just so insecure that they
feel they need to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
It's sad for me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
I think it's sad, And I actually don't like the
term I'm nitpicking stupid stuff. I don't like stolen valor
as a term, because nobody can steal whatever you did, Nate, Like,
those are your experiences.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Whatever Dave did.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
The guy walking around the mall pretending he was a
colonel in Delta Force is not taking anything away from
the service of any real soldier.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
I understand there are real concerns.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Some of these people are like defrauding women and it's
terrible stuff. Yeah, sure, but I don't I don't like
on a personal level. I don't get jazzed up about
that so much. But you are right when it comes
to guys within the ranks, the expectation of someone who
is a ranger or a seal or a Green Beret
is higher, and we expect that you're at least going

(01:18:02):
to make an effort to tell an honest perspective if
you decide to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
I do think let's let's be honest. Though, we got
to talk about monetary game. Yes, it has been massively lucrative.
Millions and millions and millions of dollars that have been
made off of guys like Lattrelle and Kennedy and Rob
O'Neil so and and Jocko. Not saying I'm not lumping

(01:18:28):
Jocko in with them, but I'm saying there is millions
and millions of dollars to be made in this arena,
and I do think that we can't discredit that completely
as well as a huge portion for some of these guys.
And the reason why I say that the Tim Kennedy debacco,
I think is the best case of that because what

(01:18:50):
he decided was when he got caught by the veteran community.
Right when we all we saw the anti hero podcast.
I put out all the times he's lied about the
Valler Woods. He got the veteran community, the soft community.
We all said, Okay, he's exposed, he decided to come
up with the crazy rebuttals and like try to fight it,
do the Lance Armstrong thing, so that he basically said,

(01:19:12):
I don't give a shit about the veteran community. I
don't care about the soft community. I'm going to Playkate
to the civilians who don't know better and try to
hold on for dear life to that monetary section of
my demographic. So I do think millions of dollars in
fame I think is enticing right. So I think that

(01:19:33):
does have a big part.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
And you know, we were kind of talking about this
before the show. But when we see people and I'm
going to talk about like Wayne Simmons, who was on
Fox for a long time during the gy as a CIA,
you know, expert former CIA who is never in the CIA.
You know, we talk about Malcolm Nance and a lot

(01:19:57):
of like the lies, you know, the things that he
said is getting him the positions, and you know, Tim
that that somehow these people who are willing to go
out there and say things that can be that can
be disproven, but but by the time they catch that momentum,
we're just like the people who can disprove it are

(01:20:19):
just like little reedy voices, you know, like they're up
there already.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
And go to go to Tim Kennedy's Instagram post where
he admitted last night that he doesn't have our words
and purple hearts, and look at the comment section and
look at the twenty thousand likes that are on that video. Yeah,
like we we talked about me and the Anti Hero podcast.
My videos have done half a million views on Tim Kennedy. Yeah,
I think that's that's baby numbers to compare to the

(01:20:46):
average person that sees him on Fox News that has
no fucking clue, right, no clue, and they're not going
to right and they can, Like you said, these are
just tiny little voices that like the community knows, the
veteran community knows, but like from large scale. Was just
on Fox News three days ago talking about the Lisensburger thing, right,
So it obviously it's not reaching like what you're talking about.

(01:21:08):
Even with that, And this is the biggest most exposed
case of a soft dude being a fraud that we've
ever seen. And again he's doing fine, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
What do you what can you do?

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Like the media, the media complex, you know, and right left,
it doesn't matter they're not going to turn their back
on the people that they invested in.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
No, neither, and here's big let's call it more spades
of spade, and neither is the Department of Defense or
Special Forces Committment. Right Why because this dude has been
an amazing fucking recruiting tool for the last fifteen years.
UFC fighter Jason Born, Tim Kennedy, Green Beret. Yeah, they're
they're not about to interject themselves into this ship. And
now again, I think he's a liability now, and I
think they might realize that. I think we're going to

(01:21:52):
find some things coming out of use in SoC here
pretty soon. But to your guys' point, like they like
the news media, the apparatus, the DoD like they don't
give a shit about our quarrels and exposing stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
This is another thing that I wanted to bring up
during this show when talking about responsibility.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Do we have a responsibility to speak out?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Do you think the commands have a responsibility to speak
out at a certain point, like does it reach a
level of let's call it stolen valor that there is
a real responsibility for the command to come forward and say,
you know, just factually this is what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
This is what happened. This is what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Do you think it gets to that point or do
you think it gets there?

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
And when does it get there?

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Do they have a responsibility to yes? Will they know why?
Because look at Marcus Latrell's story. He just came out
on a podcast the other day talking about how the
Navy wrote that book for him, sent him on a
book tour, gave him all his lawyers, and then send
him on his way to so that he could be
the great recruiting tool tool for the US Navy for
the next fifteen years. The Navy did that. Marcus said that,
I'm not saying that I showed that in an episode

(01:23:02):
on podcast he did. I'm not knocking Marcus for that.
I'm saying the Navy did that. So do I have
any expectations that command is going to come out and
do the right thing?

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
Could they. The Sergeant major of the Army was just
on the Jedburgh podcast. You're telling me you couldn't have
the first Special Forces Command commander come on and talk
about how we're going to look into the biggest fraud
of a Green Beret that's ever existed of course they could.
Will they. No, I don't think they're going to touch
it with a ten foot pole. I think they're gonna
let him. I think it's it might be getting to

(01:23:35):
the point now I will say this, Tim Kennedy did
not come out and admit to all this stuff last
night for no reason. Okay, he didn't do it out
of the goodness of his heart. Let's leave it at that.
We'll see how that plays out over the next week,
a couple weeks. He's not a great it's not because
he just decided had this moral epiphany that like, oh,
I should probably be honest. Now there's some reasons, so

(01:23:56):
I do think at some point, when it becomes a
massive liability to the Special Forces Regiment or the DoD
you gotta do something right. But will they. I don't
have a whole lot of confidence. I just don't. I've
never and and maybe this is biased as an NCO,
but I have just never had any faith in the

(01:24:18):
General Officer Corps to do the right thing. I look
at guys like General Millie, I look at guys like
General Austin, and I just don't. Man, Like, you haven't
produced anything to tell me that you're going to do
the right thing. Okay, So that's where I come from
on that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
The other thing that was interesting or that is interesting
to me and Jack and I were talking about this too,
is that these people, like the people that we've talked about,
who will go out there and blake me light in
a world where people know the truth, in a world
like you're not telling some girl in a bar where
she has no way of fact checking you. You're not

(01:24:52):
like behind the scenes telling producers the secret things that
you can't say. You're out there. You know people are
are going to see through it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Did you see my video this morning, Tim Kennedy? The
the International Sports Hall of Fame induction was introduced as
having a bronze star medal with valor in front of
Arnold Schwarzenegger. So, like you just said, they like that
is is in your face as it gets lies And

(01:25:26):
in twenty nineteen, this wasn't even two thousand and nine.

Speaker 5 (01:25:29):
You can always say, well, I don't know why they
said this, Like, no, you gave them your bio to read.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
That's your script, right, that's your script, you know? Yeah,
of course, And I will say this because the more
i've like I've unpackaged this with the Valor Awards statements.
What Tim has done other than when he said it
on his own Facebook page and he fucked up and
he'd put it on his own website. Right, he has
specifically done it on his own channels. But what he's
been really good about because I showed thirty different times

(01:25:54):
this has happened. In interviews. He'll get the interviewer to
introduce him as someone with a bronze star medal with
Valor and he won't refute it. He won't acknowledge it. Yeah,
And I've picked it apart and I've been very careful
to see how he does it. He doesn't refute it,
but he also want to, Like he doesn't acknowledge it,
but he also doesn't say hey stop, you know what

(01:26:16):
I mean? So he's very he's very he's not dumb,
he's clever, right, but like it's caught up at.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
The Yeah, Malcolm Nan says that he does the same
thing where when he's shown on like a newscast or whatever,
it'll say like naval intelligence officer or counter terrorism intelligence officerare.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
It's never intelligence officer. He was a he was a
sing guy in the Navy.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Right, and and the thing is like, if he's not
saying it, is it his fault?

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
Well, I say yes, because like, here's the thing. If
I came on your Guys' podcast and Jack introduced me
as Silver Star recipient Nate Krnakia, and I just sat
silently and let the fucking episode go on. No, that
is me acknowledging that I have a fucking silver Star period,
like it is my duty. And I would I would panic,
I would like, oh my god, Jack, please no, like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa,

(01:27:02):
let's back this up. I do not have right. But no,
when you're when you that video, I say, where he
he's sitting there like his face getting talked to when
it's like Tim Kennedy Valor Award or like Bronzar Medal
with b device for Valor under fire and then he
stands up and walks to the podium and gives his speech. No,

(01:27:22):
so sorry, so that's a that's a no go.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
So the the time to kind of cap off.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
Like one of the things I think about these people
who like make these things up and then get so
much acclaim for it because they're out there, like a
lot of them, some of them are running charitable foundations,
right like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
But but these people, I think that there's an element.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
I don't I don't want to call him narcissist because
I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but there has
to be an element of narcissism.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
There. Are you there, Nate, Yeah, I'm here. Can you
guys hear me, We hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
We just can't see you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
I might. I might have lost my camera stand by one, Okay,
I can I have to switch to the shitty cam
for the end of this. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
So they these people, I think where we see the
narcissism on display is they.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Are sorry, guys, we lost the good camera.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
I got you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
They are far more successful in the public sphere than
people who actually did the jobs they said they were doing,
which just goes to show.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
It speaks to a sort of corruption of the institutions
as a whole, like this media complex and the special
forces or I should just say military commands, the CIA
in some instances that they're all sort of either turning
a blind eye or not doing the right thing, or
blatantly doing the wrong thing. That leads to these sorts

(01:28:43):
of some of the worst grossest voices rising to the top.

Speaker 4 (01:28:47):
Right, yes, no, And I've called I've called it kind
of like the old guard purge. It's kind of like
a purge of the old soft guard. A lot of
these guys that they've been the face of the softcomming
unity for ten fifteen years and they're being exposed. So
the question is is, like what happens next. I think

(01:29:08):
it's good, right, because I just had I would say,
three hours ago, a group of dudes from the Q
course who were in language school, who reached out to me.
They were like, I love your show, Like, hey, keep
doing what you're doing. We love that you're exposing shithead
green berets. We all look up to you. YadA, YadA, YadA.
What that tells me is like we have, like we

(01:29:29):
have the young generation still coming up, still coming through,
and they're still looking up to guys, right, and the
guys that they're looking up to. If there are all
these like shithead grifters like that, are that are writing
books about carrying rucksacks full of fifty fucking grenades, right,
like throwing grenades at women and children, that's the example
that we're setting for that next generation. No, I don't

(01:29:52):
think we can do that and I think again, when
you talk about having a responsibility to call these things out,
I think that's where the responsibility it also falls is like,
I'm not like Jay over at Greenbery Chronicles or Jake's
wegg that are like hyper focused on developing the next generation.
I don't have the time for it. But I still
try to do mentorship here and there. But I mean like,

(01:30:13):
I'm also still trying to be a good representation for
those dudes. And again, I know, I did a whole
video about how not to look up to me. I'm
not your role model, YadA, YadA, YadA, but as a whole,
like the guys that are trying to go into the military,
into soft combat, arms, infantry, whatever you're doing, I remember
I looked up to those guys too, man, and it's
just natural. So having good I've said this from the

(01:30:36):
start of my channel. Having good representations of what it
means to be a soft soldier, I think is hyper
important in this social media spage because everybody I get
this comment all the time, you should be a silent professional, YadA, YadA, YadA.
It's twenty twenty five, right, social media chat GPT. There
is no more like while your active duties. Yeah, one

(01:31:00):
hundred percent. You should not be like, but to tell
me as a veteran that that's in twenty twenty five,
I can't talk about these things, right, like pound sand Man, Right,
But again that that's kind of my take is, like
we do kind of have a responsibility to shore up
our own make sure our ship bags, because I think
about it in the company or in the team room.
If I get a ship bag on a team or
in the company, we take care of that, right, we

(01:31:23):
take care of that. Dude, he does not. He gets
kicked off the team, He gets sent to the arms room. Right,
So why should it be any different when we get
out in the veteran community. Why should we stop policing
our own. That's kind of my take on it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
I guess, Yeah, where in your mind's eye, if we're
to like skip forward a little bit, where do you
see this going for Tim Kennedy? Like I think Brent
is going to keep making podcasts of every chapter of
Tim's book for the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Yeah, he's only he's only two chapters, like the chapter book.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
I mean, where where do you see it going? You know,
over the long haul? For for Tim?

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
So I said for me, I said in this video,
he admitted he doesn't have Voer and Combat awards for me.
It's done. I've said in every single video that's all
I care about. He admitted I was right that his
whole Instagram post he acknowledges the things I put out
in my video. He didn't say anything about. He wasn't
talking about the anti here a podcast. He was talking
about the dude that exposed him for lying about val

(01:32:19):
forwards and priple arts. That was my stuff. I hate
the way he did it because I promise you guys,
I was still holding out hope for Tim had he
come out and said the truth. I do not have
these Valor awards. I am sorry. I should not have
misled people right and just took full ownership. I had
a video already recorded that was going to say, I

(01:32:40):
forgive Tim Kennedy and you should too, And I was
going to tell the American people, look, I don't what
he did isn't okay, but we can empathize with it.
He's this twenty three year old kid, green beret UFC fighter.
He's getting paraded around front a sift company's by generals.
He's going on Joe Rogan. He's making millions of dollars,
Rifle Coffee Company five to eleven. The fame is intoxicating.

(01:33:03):
He's on Fox News, everybody loves him. He gets introduced
as having about our award. He lets it slide once, right,
like we as men, we could understand as a twenty
three year old man, how that could. Sure. I was
prepared to give him that benefit of the doubt. And
his admitting to not having those valor and combat awards

(01:33:24):
was I never said I had them, And it was
just like bro I did a whole episode of the
twenty five times that you had. Everybody's seen it, so
for me, it's over. But to get into where it
goes forward, yeah, I don't think. I don't think. I
think Brent's a dog with a bum. I think until
Tim Kennedy comes on that podcast, on the Anti Hero

(01:33:46):
podcast and admits to all these things, I don't think
he lets it go. And that's his right, you know
what I mean. He uncovered this, He can take it
as far as he wants to go. I never really
cared about the war stories. But what I think is
his reputation is forever destroyed in the sfsoft veteran community.

(01:34:07):
His comment section no matter what he posts is destroyed.
I do know that he's taking massive hits from sponsors
and companies that have already cut him off. But I
do think that again, like we talked about, he has
enough of a blind civilian boomer Fox News base that
he will be he will be fine to keep peddling

(01:34:29):
bullshit teaching courses to that specific demographic. I don't unless
the Department of Defense comes out. You see him, Jay's him,
pulls his tab and bray in front of everyone. I
think he's gonna keep on keeping on to and Tim
Kennedy thinks that's the way I.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Say, and that was the advantage if you were coming
out of the GYT before twenty ten, right when everybody
else was still.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
You were first market.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
Yeah you're first to market, and you've got that ground
part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Yeah, you got that ground swell.

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
And now it's it's sort of like I mean, you know,
any heroes, A good sized podcast gets a lot of views.
Your good sized podcast get a lot of views. But
is that going to sway things when Fox has him on?

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Probably not?

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
No, of course, not like my video I do with
five hundred views on Tim Kennedy. Again, it's it. It
also is just placating to the same people who already
know right, right, So it's the same group of veterans,
soldiers and also civilians who are you know, into this
type of thing. They know already. Nothing I could put
out about the dude is going to shock anybody at
this point. And the people who blindly support him are

(01:35:46):
going to or they've got no clue. And they didn't
even seen my channel. They didn't even heard of the
anti hero podcast, right, they see him on Fox News
and whatever, you know at this point, Like I don't
I hate to say that, like I want to see
the dude lose everything because that's not true. Also, I
just I just wanted like, and here's the crazy thing.

(01:36:07):
I've told this before, Like I've got pictures of me
and Tim Kennedy together on my Instagram. I actually liked.
I was one of the very few and I'm sure
you guys know the back channels. Tim Kennedy has been
a joke in the SF regiment for a decade and
a half from within, like if you talk to any
green Berey, like in the company, what a douche, Right,
I was one of the very very few guys that

(01:36:27):
wanted to give this guy the benefit of doubt that
you know, was like, ah, yeah, you know he kinda
he's you know, over the top, but you know he's
good at recruiting. Like I would always sort of defend
him a little bit, right, And so I wasn't a
Tim Ken hate Tim Kennedy hater to start, and there's
a lot of them in the SF regiment. I could
promise you that well before this whole thing happened, and

(01:36:49):
I just wanted to see him have some integrity and apologize. Man,
that that was it. I said that from the very
first episode. Had he come out and just said I'm sorry,
right the day after the anti Hero podcast came out,
if he just came out and said, look, I'm sorry.
I was young. I embellished in things. I definitely shouldn't
have that book. I embellished it to make it more

(01:37:11):
enjoyable for the reader, and I'm sorry I shouldn't have
done that. Guys, boom Clay's closed. I never do a
video anti hero podcast probably never doesn't fall up. Tim
Kennedy is doing just fine, right, But it was the
narcissistic where he put a middle finger up to everybody
else and said, fuck you guys, you're you're the liars,
not me. It's it was the Lance Armstrong. Like Lance

(01:37:33):
Armstrong did that same thing right he got caught. What
did he do well? He didn't go down quietly. He
told everybody else their liars. He called everybody else cheaters.
He attacked, you know, like other teammates, family members. The
difference is Lance Armstrong finally came out and came clean. Right,
And even then after all of that crazy shit with

(01:37:54):
Lance Armstrong, people forgave him right, they forgave him and
he was just fine. So my thing has always been like,
who is this dude's PR team? Because they are the
worst PR team I have ever seen in my entire life.
Because it was so easy to fix this from the start.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
And and the thing is so like you say, if
you met a coule like you know, we we we
see it with politicians, whether it was Waltz or what
was Ronnie Uh, who's the who is the admiral who's
busted down to captain but still calls himself Ronnie Jackson Republican?

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
And I think out of floora whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:38:34):
Like he still calls himself like these people were Tim
Kennedy or they're always going to have a fan base.
Right So even if they were, even if they were
say yeah, it was a mistake, I'm sorry, people aren't
gonna leave.

Speaker 4 (01:38:48):
Them, right Yeah. And I think I'm fine with that
with per Tim. If Tim wants to have his niche
fan base, he's got a social media following with a
million followers, and and that's it cool because he's not
going on any more podcasts and pedaling his stories right like,
he can't now, So we're taking that part of it
away to where he's not going to be the face

(01:39:09):
of soft He's not going to be the face of
green Bereats anymore. And again, I don't look he's he's
I don't think he's a terrible dude. I just think
he he's so it's such an egomaniac. He couldn't apologize.
I don't want him to like lose his livelihood. Sure, Like,
good have your circle, go do it away frombody everybody else.
Don't influence the next fucking generation, right, good on you.

(01:39:32):
No problems with that. That That's kind of where I'm
at with the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Yeah, Nate, what is next for Valhalla VFT?

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
What's coming up in your future.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Oh god, uh man, I take this one day at
a time. Man, I've had no planning. I've had no
like path forward the whole way, which people think is
crazy of like, you know, for content, I just kind
of like I put out the content I want. I
think that's what people like about me, is like I'm not.
I think that I'm just willing to talk about things

(01:40:03):
that people won't talk about. And I think that's why
people like my channel. I you know, and I've had
a lot of my buddies that are like, don't change, man, like,
don't take those big brand deals, and then decide like
I can't, Like, you can't talk about sensitive topics anymore, right,
you can't talk about person X or person Y because
now you're in the fold, which I don't think I will.

(01:40:23):
I don't. I don't really give a shit, as you
guys can tell, like, I'm not worried about what people think.
I just do what I like. I surround myself with
the people I like. I like you guys, I like
the other guys I do content with. So for me,
I'm just gonna keep doing that type of content. I'm
gonna try to get away from. Of course, I'm gonna
I'm gonna cover current events if a green Break goes
out and blows himself in a Tesla cyber truck in

(01:40:44):
front of my right, like, that's gonna happen on my channel.
But I've got a couple ideas going forward. What i
want to do is start. I want to start giving
like platforms to sort of young and up and coming
soft or even regular infantry military guys that I like

(01:41:04):
that maybe wouldn't have gotten the platform otherwise, much like
you guys did with me when I was a brand
new channel. I had a few people do that. And
then I want to start. I know this is going
to sound corny. I want to start the Real War
Heroes podcast, where I have on guys I know personally
that are legit, badass war fighters with real stories. Right,

(01:41:25):
whether they are Fallujah Marines or whether they're Delta Force
operators does not matter to me. To let the American
people hear the stories. I know this is kind of petty, right,
but to let the American people hear the stories, the
real stories of the dudes who did this for real,
instead of a lot of the stories that we've been

(01:41:45):
hearing over the last ten to fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
I mean that's what we try to do on the
Team House. I mean, yeah, most of these episodes were
trying to find guys who are a good representation from
their unit. You know, someone pitches someone to me and
they have a bunch of war crimes charges hanging over
their head. I'm sort of like, maybe not that guy
right now, Like, maybe maybe find someone else from that unit,

(01:42:10):
who will you know, represent you know what. We hope
young people would aspire to be somewhere down the line,
and I think we usually succeed in this mission.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
Yeah, sometimes we might fall short, but.

Speaker 5 (01:42:25):
Yeah, well well I was just gonna say, like, I
like your idea too, especially if it's not really an interval,
because there's something fun about sitting around with bros telling
dumb ass war stories that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Well, I think that's that's the idea. I don't want
it to be like a real podcast interview, more like
like you guys like a team room, Like you sit
here and shoot the ship with guys that I know
are legit.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Yeah think that's yeah, Yeah, I mean it's just I
don't know. There's a lot of funny.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
Moments there, a lot of heroing moments, Like the most
ridiculous moments that come up. But you know, even when
you were carrying a backpack full of fifty grenades that
have slightly straightened pins and no safeties.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
You know what gets me. What gets me is.

Speaker 5 (01:43:16):
You can tell war stories, and you can tell war
stories that would pass muster with us where we'd like
where if I wasn't there, I wouldn't know you were
lying right right, But then you decided to tell us,
Then you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
Must not have seen what I did. And one of
the first episodes I did about tim where where I
explained how easy it is to lie about war stories.
I told this big, elaborate war story about our time
in Musiclay and Hellman and how we were working with
a Marisak team and we started taking all this fire
and we had an Australian peel and like our CCT

(01:43:52):
got shot in the calf and all this shit right,
And then at the end of the story, I just say,
by the way, that was my best friend in eight
Zulu's story, I was never there. He was making carsok
in two thousand and nine. Why because I've heard him
tell that story and it's an awesome story, And that's
how easy it is for guys like us to tell
a story that passes the sniff test, but it's bullshit,

(01:44:15):
you know what I mean. But when you say I
think I don't know, I think I'm gonna talked about
in the last podcast in twenty eighteen, in rus Gone,
we were in a grenade heavy area. My teammates got
fucked up, got fucked up in a grenade battle. From
over the top of compound woles. We started carrying way
more grenades than most people ever would on a mission.
And I tell people, way more grenades than everybody carries.

(01:44:38):
Was like five frags, an incendiary and a thermobarrack, not
a fucksack full of rifty grenades. Also, I tell people,
I'm like, do you know what it's like to throw
to like pull pins, prep grenades and throw them while
you're being shot at. This is not like a process.

(01:44:58):
You're like, oh shit, the pin. But I get this right,
the fucking tape right, Like it's sort of throw Like
in his book he throws twenty five grenades into a
building as they were running up to it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:10):
You know, it's like that, Yeah, it's like an auto
He's like an auto launcher. But the thing is like,
can you imagine can you imagine at night under noods
having fifty loose grenades with their with their pins all tangled,
you know, the spoons like oh in a back in
a backpack, you pull out one and the entire bag

(01:45:31):
goes off in a truck, just rattling around in like this.

Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
Yeah, oh my god, Yeah, that's that's the insanity.

Speaker 5 (01:45:39):
Did you guys used to you guys, like, I mean, everybody,
did you, like you straighten the pins just a little
bit to make them easier to pull, right.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
We would We would cut one of the pins at
the base and then pull the other one off, so
all you would have to do is basically unfold one
pin and pull because yeah, two pins rolled down like that,
the bullets start flying. You got gloves on, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Forget about it. You're not pulling it out with your teeth.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Yeah yeah, no, no, no, So yeah, some guys, some
guys would do the straighten yea, and but we yeah,
that's the way we would do it. We cut one
of the pins completely and then just fold the other,
so all you got to do is just pull one
up and then.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Pull it out.

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
So for people who don't know what we're talking about
on a fried grenade on on you know, Thermo barracks
and everything. But they have pins, which is so you
have your spoon which leads into the fuse. Uh, and
then the pin is what keeps that spoon in place,
so you have to pull that pin out.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
The pins when they're when they come.

Speaker 5 (01:46:35):
From the keep talking. I'm just gonna pick something real quick.
They come from the factory. The pins are like too pronged,
like you know, or it's like a pronged pin like
a ring, and then they're folded back up against the spoon,
so it it's very tough. It's almost impossible really to
just pull the pin without straightening the ends first, so

(01:46:58):
you always kind of pre strate number do something to
make them easier to pull under dress.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
But who do we have Friday?

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Coming up Friday, we have a career CIA officer, someone
who actually Rick Prado introduced me to Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
I'm so excited to have him back show.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
I'm back with the real camera, Nate.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
Uh, you know, any final thoughts. I encourage everyone to
go check out Valhalla vf T. I love this channel
to go subscribe to to Nate's channel. Any final thoughts
or anything else you want to talk about before we
get going tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
Uh, I did have something. There was something I was
going to talk about that I wanted to talk about,
and I'm trying to think about it, but I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
Wait did we talk about it before? Did we talk
about it before the show?

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
I think it had to do I think you had
to do with Livin's burger.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Maybe not the cyber truck.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
Oh yes, the thing I did want to talk about
Matt Livins burger. Okay, And I want to get your
guys take on this because it is fucking pissing me
off the more I see it. What I'm seeing because
he was a Green Beret. When Tim Kennedy comes out
on Fox News talking about it, Sean Ryan and sand
Shoemaker and all these guys, everybody keeps talking about how

(01:48:17):
what a great guy this is and that like the
way he did this, he set this up so that
nobody would get injured, and like and all these things
about how he was a good person and YadA, YadA, YadA.
I'm not giving this fucking dude a pass, you know why,
because he put he basically built a shody asked v Bed,

(01:48:37):
rolled it up in front of a fuck in front
of a hotel, which could have had a three year
old child and their mom walk out that door the
second that the bed went off and killed like six
seven people were still seriously injured in that blast. This
dude is a domestic terrorist. I don't care that he's
a Green Beret. I actually am more ashamed that he's

(01:49:00):
a Green Beret and that he decided to take his
own life by potentially killing American citizens. So I don't
know what your guys' take is, but this is all
I've heard about, Like what of now again? Mental health?
I get it right, I don't want to knock on
the family, but like, shouldn't be glorifying this dude is
like some mastermind to an exposure plan where he's exposing

(01:49:22):
you know, like CIA secrets and all this crazy shit.
Like that's not what he was, man, He was a
mentally ill dude that potentially almost killed six American citizens.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Yeah, no, I totally agree.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
I mean I might The one thing I might take
exception to is like the actual legal definition of a
domestic terrorist. He might not fit into that. But I
understand what you're saying that he was terrorizing the American
public in a sense by blowing up this truck in public, right,
And you're right, I of course we don't want any

(01:49:57):
veteran or soldier to take their own life. That's terrible,
But hey man, if you're going to do it, you
don't need to take down, you know, a bunch of
civilians with you.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:50:07):
I would also push back on the domestic terrorism thing,
just because I don't think that was really it wasn't.
First off, I'm I'm just I'm way I feel bad
that he about his mental illness and it wasn't even
like depression, Like I don't think I believe that he

(01:50:28):
was at a stage where he could not separate fact
from fiction.

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
Yeah, and yeah, no, I agree. I think I think
domestic terrorists was the wrong choice of words. That's not
what I was trying to say. What I was really
trying to say, of like, he wasn't this like whistleblowing
mastermind that was setting up a v bed just in
the perfect way to not injure people to send a message.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
He was a mental he was a mentally ill person.

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
He was, Yeah, he was just I just feel I
just feel sad for him that, you know, like we
talk about we talk about mental health, and we talk
about you know, like realizing this not okay to pull
people out of their vehicles. But but then when you
talk start talking about the Marines, you know, out of
Syria seeing demons and seeing ghosts of the people they

(01:51:16):
killed and things like that, that that's not something These
people are not questioning their sanity.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
These people are not it's real to them.

Speaker 5 (01:51:24):
They're not in a place where they're seeking mental help, right,
mental health help.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
They they're living in a whole different world.

Speaker 5 (01:51:32):
So I would say that you know that he probably
could have built a more efficient v bid with the
intention to kill.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my initial criticism was
of like, this was an eighteen Zulu and this was
the best. That was the very first video I did
before Sean Ryan, before anybody just covering that, And that
was my biggest question was like, how does a ten
plus year Green Beret not know how to tamp explose
his and do actually right And so I don't think
I don't think he was necessarily trying to do as

(01:52:06):
much damn as as possible, right, I'm just getting tired
of the narrative that he's this like hero, it's exposing shit, right, sorry,
I don't believe.

Speaker 5 (01:52:15):
That, because that carries on, that carries on the whole
conspiracy and fails to acknowledge the very real mental health issue,
which which I think, honestly, I think the Army is
happy to let that happen because the Army does not
want to talk about the mental health issues. They would rather,
you know, they would rather talk about him being an

(01:52:38):
extremist or him. I mean, I don't think the Army
wants to I don't think the Army wants to talk
about anything.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
I don't they don't want to talk about TBIs and
what that means from our soldiers.

Speaker 5 (01:52:45):
I want to retrack that though, because I don't think
the Army wants to talk about him being an extremist either,
because I don't think the Army wants the publicity of
an SF guy going out there and becoming extremes. I
think the Army just wants it to go away because
no matter how it was framed, dispatch for them, but they.

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Definitely and when both terrorist attacks back to back were
from active duty Army soldiers, right, that's bad. That's that's
not great optics. I mean, I already saw. I don't
know if you guys saw the clip on MSNBC, I
think was today where they literally ran a whole art,
a whole episode. I forget his name, one of the
old guys over there. I don't really obviously don't watch
the show about how and he literally says it. I'll

(01:53:26):
send you guys the clip after. It's so gross where
he talks about veterans, veterans are the biggest threat to
America and that veterans are responsible for more terrorism in
this country than anyone else. MSNBC just aired that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:39):
This has been going on for a while though, because
the FBI, what was it twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen when
the FBI said, you know that veterans are more likely
to because you know, homegrown terrorists like like vetters have
enough issues.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
But there was also some internal stuff going on where
they wanted to look at extremism in the res and
it got shut down because of political sensitivity.

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
Is about this, It's well General General Milly was talking
about that, yes, with the white rage and figuring out
where this all this, you know, potential nationalism is coming
from that long ago.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
Yeah, so so you know, I'm glad you brought up
because we didn't mention that I'm gad, I'm glad you
brought up the Nola guy because this is the thing
to me that is it's very bothering about Matt's story
is that it's a bigger story than the actual terrorist.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Oh yeah in Nola, like that guy wiped out of
the news cycle immediately.

Speaker 5 (01:54:38):
Yeah, a guy suffering from mental health issues who did something,
who killed himself, you know, and and didn't hurt anybody else,
could have but didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
A guy. And that was the thing is.

Speaker 5 (01:54:50):
You know, when you talk about his letter and his manifesto,
the thing that immediately made me think of Frodi was
when he said that the FBI was following him, because
once people start getting their paranoid delusions, yeah there, that's
when they're sort of they're off the rails, you know,
and and you know that's really really where you see

(01:55:11):
that that mental thing. But so what bothers me is
that one we're ignoring his mental health issues, and two
we're making him a bigger story than a guy, a
radicalized guy by isis who actually killed people, a lot

(01:55:32):
of people, and that's gone, that's out.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
Of the story.

Speaker 5 (01:55:35):
But we're all still talking about this mentally unwell as
Seff guy.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
Yeah, and it's it brings into question of the way
news is sort of manipulated and pushed forward of I
don't think that's by accident. I don't think the fact
that the right the radicalized ISIS dude that killed fifteen
people or more, that story disappeared immediately in favor of

(01:56:02):
the active duty green beret who then, you know, potentially
does a terrorist attack. I don't think that's I don't
think that's just coincidence that all of media immediately diverted
and got that off of why because what they don't
want is they don't and MSNBC literally talked about this
in that art in that clip that it's not the

(01:56:24):
southern border. It is not the southern border that is
causing anything any of this. Okay, it's domestic veterans, it's
all home grown, that's not And I think they want
to get the conversation off any potential of like, yes,
this was an active duty soldier that was radicalized by ISIS,
but how was he radicalized by ISIS? By ISIS potentially
getting into our country somehow. So I think they want

(01:56:45):
to get the conversation away from that as fast as
possible and put it on like hey, white nationalists whatever,
whatever the maga or because they're saying that too, right, likega,
mega this, whatever the buzzword is for the day. I
think that's what they want the optics to be on

(01:57:06):
stuff like that instead. And I don't think it's by mistake.

Speaker 5 (01:57:09):
The hypocrisy is just it's so frustrating because you know
that they want to come out when it's when it's
an Islamic extremists to say not all Muslims. And we've
all worked with Muslims. We know it's not all Muslims.
We know there are a lot of like stand up,
you know, incredible, like courageous, and you know Muslims who

(01:57:29):
love America, you know whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
Green Beret. I mean, like vast majority of dudes I
fought in combat where we're Muslims, not Americans. That's who
I fought with in combat for my career.

Speaker 5 (01:57:38):
So yeah, yeah, absolutely so I don't you know, I
don't take offense to when when it's an Islamic extremist.
I don't take offense to them going hey it's not
all Muslims, but they have no problem saying veterans are
an issue. Yep, where's the not all veterans statement, MSNB said.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
MSNBC verbatim said that the veterans are the biggest threat
to America today. Those they said, that's crazy, like mainstream
their main guy, the old the older guy with the
gray hair. I forget to say anybody said that. He
literally said that in the clip today It's like, okay, man,
like we're way off the reservation. Jesus. Yeah, that's that

(01:58:14):
was the That was the last the only thing that
I have that I wanted to bring up.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
All right, guys, so go check out Valhalla, v F
t U and Nate. You know, you're welcome on the
show anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
Let us know and we will drive you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
And yeah, next time, you know, as there are some
sequels in the Veteran Cinematic Universe, we'll have you back
to unpack those, uh those, you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:38):
Know, I say, I'm getting out of it. But we're
on January seventh. My content since January first. Think about
I think like January first was the initial terrorist attack
and what we've covered in six days, Joy five, Nate,
we're early phase one in this cinematic universe. This, Yeah,

(01:58:59):
I think we are. We're like we're in Iron man
two right now, exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:59:04):
We're still getting a feel for it sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
Are you guys, Are you guys going to Shot show?
By chance?

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
I did Shot like maybe seven years in a row. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:59:15):
Yeah, it's the same thing every year. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
I mean it's cool to see some old old Army buddies,
but oh man, that stars to wear on you.

Speaker 4 (01:59:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
But thank you, thank you Nate, and we will see
you guys on Friday. Retired CIA officer on the show.
Thank you everyone for joining us, and we'll see you
guys next time.

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