Minisode 75

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Speaker 1 (00:33):
All right, hello everybody, and welcome to a brand new
mini episode of The Terrible Chair Podcast. And as I
promised you two weeks ago, or maybe even four weeks ago,
or maybe even longer than that, since we've been talking
about this. And I don't know why I should be
looking at Dave over here in the video that we're
chatting on on zoom instead of looking directly on the camera,
which is like looking into Dave. So but it's phantom

(00:54):
dark Dave. He's back on the podcast. What's up?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Dude's very very good to be back here. I got
lost in your eyes. I apologize for the delay, but
what are you gonna do? You know, I'll see you
all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh yeah, sure, you got lost in my eyes. It's
me just doing the streamer thing of Hey, I'm gonna
talk directly to the camera because that's the way everybody's
gonna be looking at you when things are going and
I'm doing it fucking again. Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's okay though, because I don't get to watch the
stream and stuff, you know, So this is you know,
I haven't seen you since the last time I saw you,
which was another mini episode.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, it was a did we even have video for
the episode. I'm trying to even remember.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I like to think so, but now you got me
second guess, And yeah, we usually do.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
We usually do. We try to just so I can
see your beautiful face and get your lovely reactions to
my bullshit. Yes, he's not even gonna argue. That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I know what to expect when I come on Terrible
Terror Podcast, and that's the reason I'm here.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, you expect five hour episodes that we're gonna do.
That's take six hours to fucking record.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Not only if it's rob zombie content, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, that's right. If it's a three hour movie that
we've got going on here, then yeah, it's gonna take
a long time. Or it's just me by myself talking
about whatever bullshit movie I've been talking about lately.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
That is the most incredible thing too, because we've been
friends for a while. I've listened to the podcast for
a really long time, and it's like the longer you've
done the show, the longer the episodes get. And I
didn't even know that was gonna be a thing, but
it is.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I don't know why. I honestly don't know why they've
gotten longer I can't tell you. I wish I could
tell everybody else that listens to it. I mean, can
you believe it? Like the first season of The Stupid Show,
there were forty five minute episodes the whole movie and
forty five minutes with clips and everything like that, And
now it's I spend on an hour and twenty two
minute movie. I spend two hours and forty minutes on

(02:41):
that type movie. That's it's ridiculous. What do you think
about that?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
When you think, could you imagine even trying to do
like this is a mini episode and I'd be shocked
if it was forty five.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Minutes, I'd be shocked too, And yeah, it's a mini
it's going to be oversize me. And even on the minis,
I say, I hope it's not gonna take very long,
and then they're forty five minutes. You have a less
to talk about. Sometimes sometimes it's absolutely nothing. I'm surprised
people still listen to the show.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know, you're the kind of person that can take,
you know, something out of nothing.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
So and we wonder why I do these every two
weeks instead of every week except for October Man and I.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Can't wait to see what your theme is going to
be this year, but I know that'll be released later.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I'm still thinking about the theme to be honest with you,
and it's June and July is almost here.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh you know you got to get through July because
you have Christmas in July and then you can start
getting into the Uh hi, everybody, all your listeners are getting.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
There's no Christmas in July. There's no Christmas until after Thanksgiving.
We all know this. That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Is that how some people do it?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Well, there's there's some people that I know that try
to sell big Christmas yere let round. It drives me crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, I mean, I'm the kind of person that will
leave a Christmas tree up because after Christmas it's called
a lamp.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh. I thought that was just because you're hoosier hoosier,
who's your daddy? Don't real?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Actually the honest answer is I don't know. That's a
whole other conversation, but it's true. I have no fucking clue.
But man, I'm happy to be here. Some people might
recognize me because I've been on your show many, many,
many times. It's the number one podcast I've guessed on.
But I run Screaming Skulled podcast. Last time I was
on here, I talked about it was coming out, and

(04:21):
now we've released twenty episodes in so Andy he's my
co host. He and I have been podcasting together since
the Black Cat Shadow days. But I always love the
invite to come over here, and Andy didn't come this
time because Andy is not a big Full Moon feature guy,
but you and I are big fans of it. So
he'll have to listen to this episode. Maybe we'll convince
him to watch the movies.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, I was about to say, that's just because he's
not a fan, and I can't understand. Okay, part of
me can understand why based on one of the two
movies that I saw out of this, and then the
other half is like, but at the same time, like
they're so good, but they're so bad. But they're so good,
but they're so bad. Like right, well, see what have fundy?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
He puts Full Moon in trauma like in the same basket,
and it's not his cup of tea where Andy will
He does like b movies, but honestly, I don't even
know if Andy likes asylum entertainment.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
So the Asylum is one of those weird ones because Asylum, like,
I know, people may compare both Full Moon and Asylum
together and that's a rough one because I feel Asylum
are just like the money chaser type of company. Like
I know that not everything they do is like that,
but when you have like here comes trans Transformers and

(05:38):
then you got Transmorphers from Asylum within the next couple
of days, it's like back in the day when there
were red boxes, those were prominent in there, and you know,
Grandma says, oh, I need a rant a movie for
the grandkids. Let's go Transmorphers. That's the same thing, right,
And it's not you know, Snake's on a plane, Snake's
on a train. I mean, that's a lot of what
Asylum does. But asylums put out actually some really good

(06:02):
stuff too, So it's weird, but it's not like Full Moon,
where at least almost everything is relatively original, even though
there is a certain niche or would you say, like
theme to a lot of the types of movies they do.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, I think with Charles Band being kind of the
head of what Full Moon does, a lot of movies
tend to have some sort of like puppetry or stop
motion stuff. Especially some of the older stuff when it
was Empire before it became Full Moon. But it's funny
because Julie doesn't know a lot about Full Moon, so
I was trying to explain it, and I tried to

(06:39):
talk it up as if Full Moon had some kind
of class, and then I realized I was completely full
of crap, because as I've been researching a lot more
of Full Moon stuff, I'm like, wow, full Moon is
very sleazy.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
M hmm. Yeah. I wouldn't say they're a super classy group,
but they're at least somewhat. Originally, they seem to lean,
especially nowadays, a lot more into like the mascot horror,
Like you have these mascots that are become film franchise. Yes,
whether or not are.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
They they're definitely doing their own thing and they're not
afraid to have six or seven sequels per franchise.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Right, And then every now and then you'll get like,
it's not like it back was in the late eighties,
early nineties to late nineties, where they seem to be
like Trauma, where they're giving a lot of independent horror
directors and producers and creators this avenue to hey, we're
just gonna let you, guys do what you want. We're
gonna give you extremely small budget and work with it

(07:38):
and do what you've got to do. Whereas nowadays they
still put out some of that stuff, but you'll still
you know, their bread and butters is you know, the
twenty fifth Evil Bong movie or Ginger dead Man or
puppet Master. I mean, they have milk puppet Master into
the goddamn ground with everything they've done.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
You know, it's also their most popular franchise though, well.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
And there's a reason why, I mean, what was it
was it? I think it was like six years. It
probably isn't even longer that. It's got to be two
thousand and maybe eighteen that puppet Master Versus the Third
Reich came out somewhere around that timeframe where I hadn't
seen a puppet Master movie in a long time. And
then it just as a lark, bunch of people we

(08:19):
did like a watch party where we all watched together
and we're like talking about it and it was one
of the most entertaining movies I had seen in a
long time, right, and I was like, I hadn't thought
about puppet Master. And then after that they've again SQL
after sequel after sequel.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Right And it's so crazy because when Andy and I
went to Texas Fright Mare a month or so ago,
they had the Full Moon booth and I was really
bummed out because Charles Band was supposed to be there,
but he, you know, canceled and whatnot. But I still
went to the booth and they actually had puppet Master
on VHS, but it was marketed as unrated, and so

(08:53):
it's like the only unrated version apparently, So I don't
know if it, you know, is on another format or streams,
but I have definitely never seen an unrated of the
original puppet Master, So I wonder.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I do wonder what made it unrated in that way,
Like is it just that it includes a couple extra
scenes that that we haven't seen before, like they took
DVD extras or something like that and then actually spliced
it into the movie, or is it you know or
what you know? I don't did puppet Master actually get

(09:24):
a theatrical release.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I would think so, but damn man, I don't know,
because it was in the first three movies of when
Full Moon kind of kicked off, and at that point
they were kind of used to going straight to VHS
at that time.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Right, because, as I talked about before, the first actually
officially released theatrical movie was Shrunken Heads.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
And which is so freaking weird by the it.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Is, but the reason that it got released was because
of the director that he put a lot of his
own money to put it into theaters. I mean it's
like only was like two hundred and seventy theaters or
something like that. It was like very, very small, but
it still was a the actrial release, and those the
very first full Moon one. So I'm not sure if
because I don't remember, you know, of course at that time,

(10:08):
I probably wouldn't have been seeing this type of movie
in the theater anyway, you know, with the parents controlling
what we saw with all that stuff. You know.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Oh no, it's cool because I mean they took you
to see Species in theater.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Why not Puppets? Oh yeah, but see that was my
choice when I was fifteen.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's a movie with dolls, you get away with it.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, It's well, probably they probably would have preferred me
to go see Puppet Master with them versus Species. After
we sat through the first twenty minutes of that movie.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, and we all know what species is about.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
So, yeah, that's right, it's about what's his face? Why
can't I remember his name? Michael Madson? No, not Michael?
Is it Michael Madson? Yeah, you're right, Yeah, you're right,
it's Michael Madson. It's about him just being not wanting
to be there, but being there, drinking on the sete. Yeah,
pretty much. He's he's pulling a Bob Hoskins and Super
Mario Brothers.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
You know, I still, to this day have never seen
that movie.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
You still have need to watch the supermart Brothers movie.
Everybody's gonna buy it, dude, you should just just get it.
I think it should be part of everybody's collection, whether
whether or not you think it's good. It needs to
be there.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Man, forgive me for this, because I should know the
answer to this. I know a few times you've done
video game movies. I know you did Street Fighter, I
know you did both Mortal Kombat movies. Did you ever
do Super Mario Brothers?

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I did. We did this Pat. That was with Pat
and Kyle from Minus Friends, back from the Back in
Time podcast and now making movies.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I might have skipped it because I didn't want it ruined,
which is so weird because I usually let you ruin
everything for me. But maybe that means I kind of cared.
I don't know, but I'll probably go back and just
listen to it and lets you convince me to like it.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I mean you just need to You need to
watch it, I think before you do it. And if
I have to send you a goddamn copy, I will
send you a goddamn copy.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Be careful what you say, because if you're gonna send
me the copy I want, there's a Japanese laser disc
that I would give.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
No, it's not the copy that you wants, the copy
that you get, now, yes it does. But yeah, let
me go and find the Japanese Laser dig disc version.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I got it in my eBay watch list.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
So about to say that you're have it in your
Amazon wish list that you're gonna send me soon, and
I'm gonna find some really strange things there, Dave.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Uh, you know it's supposed to be a full Moon chat,
but it's gonna end up being the podcast where you
convinced me to watch the nineties Mario Brothers movie.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Probably. But yes, so that's well you haven't even talked about.
While we're here. We just kind of like jumped into everything.
I guess we assume people knew. You assume people knew.
Maybe it's gonna be in the show notes that I'm
gonna write in there. Maybe I'm gonna be vague as shit.
But yeah, So what we did for this for the
audience so they know what they're getting into, is that
we wanted to have a movie, and we talked. I
talked about a little bit where we're gonna do a
full Moon movie chat and we're gonna do a couple

(12:46):
of different things. And one of the things that we
thought about doing was talking about our favorites. And then
I think both of us came to the realization that
while we've seen a bunch of Full Moon pictures, we
have not seen enough to be like, let's make a
top five that's not gonna be cliche or a roundabout thing.
So after talking about it, we're like, well, why don't
we do this. We're each gonna pick two movies, and

(13:08):
we're gonna bring two movies to the table. We'll each
talk about them alternately. And the thing is is, I
don't know what movies Dave picked, which I left it
that way. I did not ask you that because I
want to be surprised about it. But Dave knows the
movies that I picked for this.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, just so that way, I didn't pick the same movies.
We're going to try to have four different movies on here.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, we didn't want to. All, you know, watch Evil
Bong six six six and Evil Bong four twenty and
Ginger Dead Man seventy five and Aliens Versus Hominids or
whatever it's called or this.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, Hey, let's both pick a full moon and
we both watch puppet Master, even though you've already done
puppet Master on the show.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Right, So have I done the original puppet Master? I
don't think I have. Huh, I did? I listened? I
did mean it what blood Dolls?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I know you did blood Dolls and you did Munchies
in the beginning. But I think what's happened is you've
had had been on the show, and you guys have
talked about puppet Master, and so that's probably what I'm remembering.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
But dude, how can you not done a puppet Master movie.
I've really thought about it, and I was gonna do
it for the Charles bandathon that I did, But at
the same time, I was like, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
What said you did Head of the Family, Well.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
That was your fault, mister Porne rated as horror movie movie. Jesus,
how can you be like every five seconds or every
piece of dialogue that you have between two characters, it's
just them fucking the entire time.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
All I know is if I was in that movie,
I would let my kids watch it. Yeah, sure, okay,
like the you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
But if you were in the movie, they wouldn't be
seeing anything but your pants around drankles exactly. Yeah. Yeah,
that's why it's okay for you. But if Julie was
was the one that in the movie, and you know,
she had a kid that was there, probably not.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Hey, some people make strange decisions, man, But people should
still listen to that episode even if they don't watch
the movie, because it's our job to at least keep
people from watching bad movies.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, but I think that everybody. That's one everybody should
watch too.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Absolutely, because it's a giant head in a wheelchair.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
It's those, both of those, the two movies in a row.
I'm definitely in that realm of you definitely should watch those.
With Killjoy and with Head of the family shruggingheads. That's
up to you. That's the way that I kind of
thought about it.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
How are two of the three movies you did about heads?
I don't know, what are you trying to tell people?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
I want don't listen to William Shatner. That's really what
I was trying to get across in all three of
those podcasts. Hey, that was a highlight or a low
light for my career one of these two. But uh yeah,
so I say, let's let's go in it. So you know,
it's this is not a normal mini episode. It's not
like that. The how's it going? What have I seen

(15:53):
Lateley in this stuff things? There's still going to be
a movie that we're gonna watch, but it's going to
be tacked on at the end of the common station
that we have here quote unquote seamlessly with everything that's
going on there. But but yeah, so what I want
to do, since you know my movies, I want to
start with you is what I want to do. I
want you to go first, because I want to be surprised,

(16:15):
is what it is.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Do you want me to start with one and then
you come in with yours and we'll we'll intertwine, or
you want me to do both of my movies, then.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Hand I want. I want to go one on one,
one and one cool. So I want you to do
your movie and tell me what you saw, what you thought,
and while you're doing it, I think what I might
do is I might look to see if there's any
type of like trivia stuff while you're just in the
beginning when you're talking, and see if there's anything that's
interesting of note to talk about if I can find it.

(16:43):
Because one of the movies I can't find shit about
the one I watch.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, you know it's a full moon feature. What do
you want to do? It costs money to upload stuff,
but that is all right. So I'll tell you about
one of the movies I chose here. And the reason
that I chose the movie that I chose is because,
knowing what you picked, I wanted to go as far
away from it as possible and really give some variety.
And so I let's see which one should I start with.

(17:11):
I'm gonna go The funny thing is, I'm gonna tell
you right out of the gate. I kind of like
both movies. I didn't love either one, but I feel
like if you put these two movies together, you got
a really good movie. Because one of them I liked
the first seventy five percent and I hated the end.
The other one I hated the movie, and then the
end was good. So if you put these together, you're
gonna have one of the best Full Moon features ever.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
So here we go.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
The movie that I liked so much of it but
the ending was kind of a letdown was nineteen ninety
three's Arcade. So, Brian, have you seen or heard of
Arcade before?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
I have heard of it. I have not seen it.
That was actually one of the movies that I was
originally going to pick for the three movies that I
was doing, but I ended up going with Shrunk and
Head instead of this.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh okay, so let me let me tell you about
Arcade then, because I used to confuse this movie with
another movie that you've done on your show called Arena,
like how they both start with a both have the
band stuff in there, but you know music from Richard Band,
Charles Brand's brother. Well, the reason I wanted to do
Arcade is because of who's in it.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
One.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
You and I are in that age where we grew
up in the Arcade and thankfully arcades have made a
comeback because it's such a cool, nostalgic hangout. But when
you're telling me you can film a movie in an
arcade and primarily make it like a Tron ripoff.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
You have my attention.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
And so the reason that this one became such a
pick is because of merely who's in it. So the
movie stars Megan Ward, who people might remember from Encino Man.
It has Peter Billingsley, who's Ralfie from a Christmas Story.
It has Seth Green, which I don't watch anything. Seth
Green is especially like Seth Green is a kid like

(18:58):
he popped up in X Files. He was and Stephen
King's it like anytime he showed up, it was a
good time. And you're also gonna top this off with
me being a Star Trek fan, we have John Delancy
freaking Q from Next Generations in this movie.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Okay, so yeah, that that is a pretty cool cast
for that. And I'm just looking at the story synopsis
that we've got here with this and it's you know
you're in for a treat when the first line is
about Alex Manning is a troubled suburban teenager and then
her mother committed suicide in the school council feels she

(19:32):
is not dealt with her feelings properly, Like, Okay, that's
gonna make a fun movie until they visit the local
arcade known as Dante's Inferno. Uh, and then shit goes
to hell.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
And now I don't have to talk about it. You've
explained the whole movie.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, I mean I just went through. You've got things
in here. You know that this is okay, here's what
piece of trivita? Did you know that this movie says
the original CGI effects were changing this because the Walt
Disney Company was going to sue Full Moon Entertainment.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yes, and that is because I'll lay this out for you. So, yes,
Alex is the main character. She's dealing with her mom's suicide.
She has her friends group, she has her boyfriend, who
was somebody else I recognized too.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
He was really good.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I think Julie recognized him from another TV show. But
you have the Peter Billingsley character who is kind of
like he crushes on her, but he doesn't get the
girl type kid. He's the good friend. He's stuck in
the friend zone. And then you have Seth Green, who
is the coolest kid of the group. He's the punk
teenager or whatever. But they always hang out at Dante's Inferno,
which is a cool name for an arcade, you know

(20:35):
it is, Well, it's this really dark arcade. And then
in the back room there's a brand new game literally
called arcade. I don't know why they didn't even try
to spice it up, like this arcade game is called arcade.
But what's cool is this is nineties virtual reality arcade.
And so if you're anything like me, I'm sold on this.
I love when movies thought they were so futuristic in

(20:56):
the nineties.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Okay, so you got an arcade called Dante's Inferno, all right,
and then you can't think of a cool name for
a video game at all, Like you you have an
honestly a cool place for an arcade. It sounds fantastic,
But then all of a sudden you go, oh, no,
we're just gonna call the game arcade. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
And one thing that's cool is he's barely in the movie.
But the person who runs this arcade is the neighbor
on that seventy show. Did you ever watch that seventy show?
You know, the bond the guy with the curly hair. Yes, yes, yes, yeah,
he's the guy that runs this arcade. I think his
name is Don something or another, but anyways, he runs
this arcade. Well, John Delancey is the guy who's promoting

(21:40):
this particular arcade game, and so he kind of beckons
all these teenagers to come to this dark room in
the back, which okay, yeah, don't do that, but they
go back there. And then you have Peter Billingsley's character,
who is supposed to be like the local prodigy on
video games. He's like the best player on anything he
ever plays, gets the high score all the time. Well,
he gets invited to play the game and beat the game,

(22:03):
and you kind of get a little bit of a
nightmare on Elm Street situation where you can, if you're
not careful, get sucked into the game.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I see, and yeah you may you may not make
it out. And and I'm assuming that you know, insanity
ensues as they're get sucked into the video game and
have to.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Survive exactly and even more so, what they do to
try to push this along, because you would think, okay,
just you know, you have one arcade game, how are
you gonna get to the masses? Well, John Delancy is like,
you know, everybody else you can take home this home
version of the game, and so all these kids have
briefcases they take home and hook it up to their

(22:45):
TVs and computers and play the home you know, equipped
with the goggles and the glove that way. You know,
it's really interactive and people get sucked into the game
and yeah, either a go missing or bet are dead
on the floor.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
The movie doesn't hold back. Oh so they include a
power glove because it's so bad it's good. Yeah those
Nintendo days.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
But you know what, man, this is one of those
movies where it's so bad it's good, Like you can't
take your eyes off of it because the idea, though
it's like the same old thing you've heard or seen before,
something about how outrageous it is captivates your attention and
because of everybody that's in it, you're invested.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
So now you know, people listen to this podcast plenty
of times before, and I spoil things around here, So
I do want you to spoil for me. What for?
You made the ending so bad?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Everything was so good until we get to the part
where our main character is going to go into the
game and kind of save the day. And I'm not
even hating on the graphics or anything, but this movie
did such a good job with its slow pacing of
characters and it just I don't know, I like to

(23:59):
be in the Like it takes place in California, right,
and so I live in Texas. I really liked it
when I get to see movie set in California, and
it just did so well building up the story. And
then when we got to the end, we had this
like final showdown and it was over in what felt
like five minutes, and that to me was like, how
are you gonna build up to something and not really deliver?

(24:21):
And you could, you know, maybe because of what the
trivia was. There are scenes where there's something kind of
similar to the light cycle like they do in Tron,
and obviously they had to go and change a lot
of that. That's probably you know, Disney's like, hey, you're
getting pulled in a video game. You can't do that,
you know, But what they chose to do it just
kind of fell flat. And then the movie had a

(24:41):
weird ending and I just felt really let down, and
I hate it. I would much rather a movie kind
of start and get better, and this one got worse.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay, so good ideas and decent cast, like acting, decent
and everything in it. For like probably a really low
budget movie.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
It's fun because everybody remembers what it's like to be
a teenager, and so you kind of you join the
friend grip. You feel like you're part of it and
you're on this journey with them. I will say Seth
Green's character, though he's in it some he's not in
it enough. I kind of wish that he and Peter
Billingsley would have switched places, because man, that guy's acting
was kind of dry in some places, and Seth brings

(25:24):
so much flair and personality. I would have preferred him.
But it is what it is. The main guy didn't
do bad, but when we get to the point where
Alex is kind of the heroine and she needs to
face kind of the demons of the game and everything,
it was seemed too easy. It didn't work.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
So this movie had a budget of five hundred thousand
dollars in ninety three, which is still that's extremely low,
you know, even back then.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
So then you know, like most of it went into
the graphics.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Just oh yeah, yeah, it definitely didn't go into the
the actors that were here. I mean when you have
no offense to Megan Ward or Peter Billingsley or Seth Green,
but they aren't household names at at this point, like
at all, you know, so it's and even Peter Billingsley,
I don't know if he ever really was a household name.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
He did that one other movie, right the what that
dirt bike that flies or whatever?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't even remember, to be honest with you, but.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
But you know, look, it's on to b It's I
get to watch it for free. I don't regret it.
I will probably watch it again just to see if
I'm being a little too harsh on it, because I
enjoyed so much of it until the end that maybe,
now that I know what to expect the end to
be like, it won't be so bad. But it's definitely
worth the one time watch.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
All right. So if you have to rate that movie,
like you know I always do on these stupid things,
what would you just give a generalized rating for that movie?
Doesn't have to be the three breakdown or anything like that,
just like an overall for what you thought. It's right
in the middle, so good, good, three out of five
or like a two and a half out of five
two out of five.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, yeah, let's go two and a half based on
just a one time watch, just because of the like
excitement I had starting it and then kind of the
letdown feeling I had once it was over. I'll just
go middle of the road two point five out of five.
But it's still gonna be worth a one time rewatch
for me to see, if you know, maybe it's better
the next go around.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
If that's going to be well that, I mean that
actually does say a lot for that type of movie
right when you're getting into these and especially like so
this one, you could say that this was maybe like
a ripoff, you know, of Tron if that's why, or
I wouldn't necessarily rip off of Tron. I mean, yeah,
you were saying. The poster is really fucking cool, to

(27:52):
be honest with you, even though I hate it when
you look at it on some things and it's like
super super tiny in the way the poster looks.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well, you know though, it definitely screams nineties, right, and
I think it's just something I love.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
It definitely screams radical if you guys. The goggles are
weird though, because the goggles look like she's got like
two big ol'd eyeballs, like right here. Yeah, but it's
still you guys have to look up the picture for
Arcade for the poster that's there.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, And you know, it's not directed by Charles Band
or anything like that, but obviously he was involved in production.
And I think Richerd Band probably did the music. I
could be wrong about that, but he does most of
the stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
He did a lot of the stuff back in the day.
He did.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
But you know, again, it's we were like teenagers in
the nineties, you know, getting into it, and so we
can kind of relate to the characters a lot. And
you be in California. I assume there's you know, maybe
it looks like home. I don't know if it's northern
or southern California. But again, there's so many good things
you could say about it because if you're a Star
Trek fan, it's always cool to see Q John Delancy's character.

(29:04):
He was also on Breaking Bad in SG one, so
people know him when they see him.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
So it was written by Charles Band, Charles's Band, and
David S. Goyer. They were the writers of it. It
was directed by Albert pun.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
And Dude if I'm not mistaken, I think he did
like a couple of the Kickboxer movies.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
He did The Sword and the Sorcerer, Cyborg.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Let's see what was tell me Kickboxer two through four?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Come on, no Kickboxer movies. We'll say, hold on, older,
I'm only looking at two thousand and one. Uh Kickboxer two.
He did do Kickboster two. Yeah, yeah, but I remember
the sword in the Sorcerer.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Okay, well, I remember Kickboxer two.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's a very slow moving fantasy movie. But you know,
it's one of those movies again my dad loved.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Oh okay, well, you know Full Moon. They're not afraid
to dip their toes in so many different genres, but
they always do circle back around to that fantasy realm.
And so you know, and that's why I chose this
movie too, is I heard the two movies you did,
and I'm like, okay, cool, that's one big section of
what Full Moon is. I'm going to explore this other section.
And this was on my list anyway. So this was

(30:13):
the perfect opportunity to watch it.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Right, because I think a lot of people just assume
that Full Moon is primarily horror. When you think of
Full Moon. But they did a lot of sci fi
stuff too, like you got tracers, and what's the big
robot fighting movie?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Is it tracers or trancers?

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Transcers? I'm sorry, transfers. You're right, they so.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
And that's another thing too, a couple of movies. Yes,
they did Robot Wars, which I have seen has Barbara
Crampton in it. But they also had their toes in
Robot Jocks, which is another one I seen. I actually
like that one, but I couldn't choose it for this
because it technically wasn't a Full Moon.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Oh damn it. That's funny, I know.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
So.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, his brother actually had nothing to do with the
music in this.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Movie, of course, not only because I brought it up.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Right, Yeah, only because you brought it up. That's right.
He was busy, that's right. Did They also couldn't go
for some help and getting Danny Elfman to do parts
of the soundtrack or anything like that either.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well, it's because Danny Elfman's brother didn't.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Direct the movie. That's true. That's true, My gosh, right. Yeah,
while I saw that fact, I was like, holy shit,
that's hilarious to me. Yeah. Well, any any final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I'll just say, you know, I don't know how long
this movie is going to stream on TV. So if
you find yourself in that position where we're all horror
people here, we love horror movies. We watch horror movies
ninety nine point nine percent of the time. But if
I'm being honest, I'm sure we all get to that
point where it's like, there is a time when you
don't want to watch a horror movie either because you
can't give it the attention you want. Be like in

(31:43):
this case with you, you know, I do a podcast too,
so you can't put too many movies in your head
or they'll kind of, you know, blend. And so I
wanted to go definitely outside the box. So if you're
ever feeling for an outside the box movie, watch Arcade.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
You might like it excellent. So well then I'm gonna
go on to my first pick, and I'm gonna get
the one out of the way that I need to
get out of the way as soon as possible, because
if you like stereotypes of every fucking thing, and when
I mean everything, I mean everything, then this movie. So

(32:16):
I had the same thing as you I had in
terms of the movies in the way that they were
where one movie I liked the beginning of it better
than I like the ending of the movie, and the
other movie, I actually I didn't dislike the whole movie.
I just thought that there was like interesting things and
it was just kind of like maybe mellow over out.

(32:39):
And it's another So one of these is a franchise
movie that I saw, and one of them is not
a franchise movie. And so we're gonna get the stereotype
movie out of the way. That's the one we're gonna
do right now. I'm not gonna delay talking about this anymore,
even though I think I'll get canceled for me having
to say some of the things that I'm going to say.
But remember that this is this movie, and the movie

(32:59):
is Uga Booga.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
When you told me that you were doing that movie,
I was like, oh, man, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
If you don't know what Uga Booga is. Uga Booga
is about a African American gentleman who gets killed in
a robbery and when he's killed in the robbery, his
soul is then transferred into this doll that is made
by this uh you know, old man, this this guy
that is he's called Hambo and Hambo is a child

(33:31):
you know what are those like not child actor, but
like a Barney type of character, you know, like those
PBS things. But he's gotten old and he's a drunk
and all this stuff. Because when the movie was starting,
it was focused in like ten minutes on this guy,
and I was like, why the hell are we in this?
What does this have to do with Uga Booga? And
it comes to find out that when we meet our

(33:53):
main character who becomes Uga Booga, he's good friends with him.
I mean he's been friends with him forever and they
main care which is the only person that's in this
like guy's life, and so he the guy shows him
all these dolls, which he calls the badass dolls, and
they are all these dolls that are all fucking stereotypes.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
You have the the the gay one that is with
his man, per his purse and got his hand you know,
off to the side like this, and you know, the
hay type of like attitudes got looking at it. You
got Cracker, who is the white guy that wants to
be a rapper, but he's also like kind of a
you know, a redneck type of person that there there's

(34:38):
crackhar and I can guess you can gander who crack
whar is uh? And there is the Chinese one that
I cannot say the name because it rhymes with ink
and I cannot say what it actually is. And it's
got the two big buck teeth in the front of
it for this doll. And then there's Ooga Booga, who
is the African stereotype. And when I say African, I'm

(35:01):
not talking about African America, I'm talking about African African
with the uga chuck a spear and then he's always
got a joint in his goddamn mouth at the same time,
the big bug out eyes. And I was like, and
he's like, I'm making these dolls and I'm gonna be
famous and I'm gonna make all this money. And even
the dude's like, that's racist, and I was like, that's

(35:21):
fucking racist. That's like really bad, and so like laughably
there's a lot of that in the movie that's like
laughably bad. That it's just so stereotypical and the things
that they say, because the main thing of the movie
is that he goes to get his wife some purple
drink because or his girlfriend not yet his wife, and

(35:41):
she's like, you know, because he has to go meet
Hambo is his best you know, actor friend or whatever.
Child What do you call those people, child mascot? I
guess that's what they are, child mascot, actor or whatever
they are. And so when he goes to the store
to go get her, that's when the store gets robbed
and he doesn't get killed during the robbery. He gets

(36:03):
killed after when the racist white old cop comes in
and starts complaining about how he's a black man and
the guy that got shot in the head that he's
then this guy's also this characters passed is an exam
to become a doctor. And so he and he sits
with the guy after he gets shot in the goddamn head.
You're gonna make it. You're gonna make it. Everything's gonna

(36:25):
be okay. You're still alive. And he's the dude gotta
bull it in the head. There's no way that the
guy's goes anyway. I'm turning into the Terrible Tear podcast
for this movie. But you you basically have him get
shot by the racist cop who we find out that
the whole town is in on this racket, Like the
judge that ends up like seeing the cop ends up,

(36:46):
you know, saying oh, well, you know it was self defense.
And then he's got his partner there, who happens to
be like the good guy that was like, why the
hell do you do these things? But he's worried about
his family, who we find later out that where the
like when Uga Booga is going around and killing everybody
that they go to to attack him or use Ooga
Booga against him, and then we study He's like, I
didn't want anything to do with it, and if he

(37:07):
finds out about anything, you know, he's gonna kill my family.
Why should we believe you? My wife's over there. Look
at it. Look at the picture of my wife and kids.
Can you guess what the wife and kids are? Tell me?
They're black? So he's so he's down, is what it is.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
And Ooga Booga Uga.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Booma shouldn't be killing him because he's got he knows
black people. Is basically what about that works? It's so bad,
but it's just like so yeah, So he gets killed
by the cop and then his blood mixes with the
purple drink and then it flows over to Ooga Booga
and that's what turns into Boga. I sent Dave of
the video of him turning into Uga boot and it

(37:46):
is bad. It is terribly bad.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
It's got the animated lightning.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Oh my god. But that's that's a lot of it,
you know, I would say there's a little TNA to
speak of. There is one scene that I was just like,
I don't know why they did this where his girlfriend
gets sexually assaulted by the people that shot the guy
in the store while she's trying to walk home. Uga

(38:12):
Booga masturbates while he watches his girlfriend in the shower
as Uga Booga, and I was like, I don't know
if I need to see that either. And then like
once he turns into Uga Booga, he's used the joint
all the time because I guess when in Rome, you
might as well, even though he's like, I'm straight lace,
I don't do any of that stuff. But and it's

(38:32):
got Stacy Keach in it is in the movie as well.
And then there was somebody else that was relatively well
known besides Stacy Keach. Maybe not, I'm just looking through
all the people that are there. Stacy Keach was the
only person. Oh nope, there is one more person that
is in the movie that you and I know and
love and we've talked about before, and she I got

(38:56):
to it and it is a she and she plays
again a racist old woman who lives in the trailer
park where the three thugs are you know that run
the jug drug Green who is run by Stacy Keach
who's the judge. And that's Karen Black. Karen Black randomly
shows up in this movie.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
And why not you know she's famous from another Doll movie.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I guess so, but I still said, why the hell's
Karen Black in this movie? And then when they go
into her apartment too, like, so they go into the
cop goes in the apartment, and the cop is like
trying to seduce her to find out where the people
because he has to go check in on the merchandise
and rough the guys up because they haven't been delivered
the drugs or collecting the money from the street horse

(39:38):
that are out there, right, And so she he ends
up having to woo her to what she does the
whole Oh you're on the TV. You're a special cop,
you know the best way that Karen Black does. I
can't do it. I'm not Karen Black. And so you
know it's almost. It's really honestly, it feels like she
used a lot from either this role in A House

(40:00):
of a Thousand Corpses or a lot from the House
of a Thousand Corpses into the role in this this.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, sadly, House of a Thousand was ten years before
this movie, so.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
So yeah, she just brought it. She just she brought
it here. Then she brought it into this one. I
was trying to remember exactly the time frame. I didn't
think it was ten years prior to it. Jesus Christ.
Maybe she didn't go into the role in The Devil's
Rejects because she was filming Uga Booga if you think
about it. But even though I think Devil's Rejects was
two thousand and five.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
It was I think that was probably a money thing.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, But nonetheless, so so, you know, the girlfriend and
an Uga Booger are trying to find them, and they
go to Karen Black's place and when they go inside,
because she's pretending that she's, you know, got a call
for she had broke down, she needs to call somebody,
and of course she's racist, whole lot white lady, so
she doesn't want let her in the house because she's black,

(40:50):
but in her house she has a bunch of those
like those figurines that are you know, with the blackface
figurine type thing or like all over her house, and
she hates black people. So they're all like the racist
stereotype of like that's what this movie is. This movie
is just like it's all the racist stereotypes and it's

(41:11):
ooga booga going after those people. He kills one guy
because he's busy smoking a doobie and because I'm so
hip with it these days that I'm saying doobie and
he's listened to loud music to One of the neighbors
comes into the apartment, and the neighbors like I knew it.
You people are bringing down the rent of this place
and making this place a horrible community because you people
moved in. I was just like, oh, make it stop.

(41:34):
And this was like what why do they go there?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Like, I know, Charles Band is all about like any
doll he can come up with, He's gonna utilize it.
But what's going on?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I just I don't know. I honestly don't know why
they made some choices in this And this is twenty thirteen.
So this isn't like this, right, this is an eighties
and nineties and I get it. Maybe they're like, oh, well,
you know, people can't deal with this thing. It's just
it's too Hammond fist is It was my problem with it.
It's not that you do it because I've laughed at
this shit before, and I was laughing at some of

(42:06):
the shit in this, but I was cringing at most
of it, because it's just it's also the delivery of
everything that you've gotten there. When you have something like
Django Unchained, where you've got Leonardo DiCaprio doing what he
does and even Samuel Jackson playing the Uncle Tom of
the Cabin, you know that that's there to you know,
or even look at the fucking Boondocks and Uncle Ruckus

(42:27):
character's fucking hilarious and it is a fucking stereotype just
like this. And he says it's the same things, but
the character is much better, like much better done than
what they're doing here. It feels like I'm saying it
to say it, and I'm sure that it's not, you know,
just a random you know, well, i'd say, sure, wasn't
just a random white guy that directed this movie. Oh no,

(42:47):
oh no, no, it is Charles Band and it was
written by Charles Band, so uh yeah, it's it makes
me wonder what's going on, Charlie. But you know, and
the kills. The kills are primarily off screen. Nothing really great.
There is like eyeballs being pulled out of sockets, but

(43:08):
you don't really see it. You just see the eyeball
in the back of the spear of Ooga booga, and
uh but it just it doesn't. It just ends kind
of terribly like I had as much as I'm giving
me a crap, I had fun with it, but it
was still bad. Like I don't know if I'd even
put in this so bad it's good. The worst part

(43:30):
about it is that even though it had those cringey
things and it could have been so bad it's good,
it ended up being boring. And that was my biggest
problem with it, is just it went seemingly nowhere. And
there's so many just like dumb decisions of characters, Like
characters make dumb decisions and horror movies all the time,
and we talk about them and you you know, and
it sometimes it doesn't even matter. But here's just like

(43:51):
why like she let it's hard to say, let herself
get sexually assaulted, but she kind of did it so
that she could get the keys to their place, you know,
and she was doing this and it's like she didn't
really try to fight back. And I don't know why
you're doing that and why you have to show the
extra bit, Charles, I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
That's that sleeves man a full moon.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, so you know, and then you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Really funny though it's kind of the irony of you know,
Karen Black playing a racist, old white woman and her
last name is Black.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
A little bit of irony there. So there's not over
here in terms of it. And it's actually the doll
for Uga Booga was inspired from a Zulu fetish doll
and trilogy of Terror, which also stars Karen Black, and
it was also used in Doll Graveyard.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I think Doll Graveyard is like a compilation.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Did you notice that full Moon?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
We don't have to spend a lot of time on this,
but full Moon does something where granted you can call
it genius marketing if you want, but Charles Band will
take a lot of movies he did in the past
and take kind of some of the best scenes of
them and then compile them as a best of and
call it this whole New Doll movie. And then you
realize it's just clips of other movies.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, he does that, and he takes those things, and
you're wondering, why is the quality of this scene so
much different from the quality of that scene.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, but then again, you could watch these movies, some
of them for free on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Right, And that's how I watched this movie. Was it
is available on Actually no, this one. I watched him TV,
so it's still available on TV. It's not available on YouTube.
And you're lucky. I didn't go grab one of the
William Shatner ones to talk about William Shatner somewhere for
this episode. But oh, did he do this one? No,
he did not do Ooga Booga because it was not
out yet.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Okay, thank good. I couldn't imagine the things he would
be scripted to say.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
If he did the rap. If he did the rap,
I can only imagine what he would do for Ooga booga.
And I even feel terrible and constantly saying Ooga booga
as well, Like it's just again, I mean, every single
stereotype that you could possibly do a boy after Americans
is basically in this or talked about or said and
I get it, and sometimes they're saying it and the

(46:05):
way they're doing it is just to make those characters
unlikable and realize these are bad characters, like such bad
characters in this, but like they don't have to to
talk like that to do that. They could just be
assholes and you could show it without having to be like,
I'm gonna write this because I think it's funny or
I think that it does this. It's like you got

(46:28):
issues with this one.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, and I think also coming from Charles band it
just I mean, if we had a black guy who
directed this movie and he he can do all the
stereotypes he wants and who's gonna say anything, you know,
and it is what it is at that point, and
that happens sometimes in some movies, and it's fine whatever, right,
But yeah, when you just look at Charles but you

(46:52):
can compare it to so many other movies done by
Full Moon Features that it shouldn't have come as a shock,
even though it's still hella cringeworthy, you know, right.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Right, if you take like the you know, if we're
going to the Full Moon catalog. Here, you take the
guy that directed killed Joy, the original kill Joy, and
he does it, and there is some of that stuff
in kill Joy too. So I don't want to like
be like people like, well, you didn't have a problem
with kill I didn't have a problem with kill Joy
because I don't feel like it was over the top,
Like there were some things that were a little over
the top, but like when you watch this and it's

(47:23):
some of the first lines of dialogue that happened in
this film when a black character shows up, it's not
very good and it's consistent and it's played to be
both goofy and serious at the same time, especially when
like Stacy Keach in there, and Stacy Keach throws the
hard er too, which I was just like, oh, wow, yeah, exactly,

(47:44):
you know, And I don't want to be seeing as
I don't know PC or anything or whatever you want
to call it nowadays, whatever new fucking term for that
it is. But it's just it's it's not about the content.
It's more about the context the way that it's being used,
and in here, I don't think it's being.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Used right well, I mean, there's a racist horror movie
twelve years ago.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
There you go, ye, And I would give this a
two out of five because when things are funny and work,
they work well and it's entertaining and it gets so
bad it's good and it is ridiculous, but the ending
is dumb the whole thing, like where he ends up
like they end up killing the cop and they kill
the cops stupidly too, like there is no big like

(48:29):
giant confrontation or anything like that. Literally, they go to
the house of the three killers of the guy from
the convenience store and they kill all three of them,
like basically, the girlfriend shoots two of them and the
other one is killed by Uga Booga when he tries
to take the girlfriend hostage, but she ends up like
elbowing the stomach or some bullshit like that. And then

(48:50):
the cop shows up to see all of them are dead,
goes after her, and then in his apartment their apartment,
when he breaks in, she knocks him to the ground
eventually after a little bit of struggling, then Uga Booga
stabs in the neck and then Ugo Booga goes and
kills the judge and she's given all the money because
Hamba went to China and he ended up selling the
toys like Gangbusters in China and made a shit ton

(49:11):
of money and sent him all the money for the
schooling to now, which he gets to keep because he's
Uga Booga, so he ain't going back. I get a
question for you. So obviously I have not watched Uga Booga.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I wasn't sure, you know, if I was ever going
to check that one out. So when you picked it,
I was like, okay, sweet, I'll hear about it. I
don't think you said this, and I don't know why
I'm having a hard time picturing it. But is the
Uga Booga character miniature or like life size?

Speaker 1 (49:40):
It is a miniature, and it is a puppet, and
it is a good puppet. Like as bad as it is,
it's a good puppet and it works.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And you have to give that to Charles Bad. There's
puppetry and animatronics.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
They know it. It nails it. But it's funny because
I think the puppetry is better in the second movie
that I'm going to talk about than this movie. And
that movie's much older than this.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Okay, well, hey, I quote something you guys often say.
It'd be like that, right, that's true.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I think that sometimes though, sometimes this is a puppet
and sometimes it's a guy in a suit.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Of course, if you get elbowed in the stomach, you.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Know, well, I mean the guy the album in the
stomach was a normal dude. That was the cop. I mean,
I'm talking like ooga booga. When he's like running or
he's like doing when he was masturbating, you can tell
it wasn't a puppet masturbating. It was like a dude
having to pretend to jerk as uga booga.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
But the name's there, like puppet masturbating.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yeah, it makes sense, well that that's on a different
channel and that's a different Charles band director.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, I wonder if his brother did the music for
that one too.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
He goes, yeah, oh, this is this is next family show.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
That's why I did Arcade. It was a family movie.
But we're getting out of that territory.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
We are getting out of the territory. Okay, so we
got what was your second movie?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
So I'm so excited to talk about this second movie,
not because it was like picularly good or anything, but
I finally got to do something that I wanted to do.
And put your hands together, because Brian, I'm bringing you know,
I'm bringing somebody back to your podcast that has, oh yeah,
that has been on your show quite a few times,

(51:18):
and I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
It's not Kan Hotter. I talk about it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
It's not Kane Hotter. He's not going to kill you.
You're gonna be okay. But it's somebody that has been
on your show recently, and so much so that you
were like, I couldn't find another.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Oh god, no, you would bring fucking shannerback, aren't you. No?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
But I am bringing miguel A Nunyaz back on your
podcast because I watched from nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Shadow Zone shadow Zone?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Have you heard a shadow Zone? Because I was so
happy when I was like, I found another Miguel Nunia's
movie for yet.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
And it's funny because see, was this the ones Lewis
Fletcher and David Beercroft. Yeah, Luis, Yep, all right, okay,
I did manage to find it. And he is in
this movie. Is Jana Man in this movie?

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Oh my god. I thought I got away from Juana
Man because it ended up being Juwana Man time for
a little while.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
You thought it was gonna be huh, But no, man,
I mean, come on, you love the actor, right. He
shows up in Friday Thirteenth, Part five, he shows up
in Return of the Living Dead. He's in the Carnosaur movie,
is it. I don't know if it's the first or second,
one second one because okay, but it's always good when
he shows up. It's a lot of fun. And I'm
a big fan of Luis Fletcher.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Two.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
She was in Brainstorm and she is again star Trek Royalty.
She shows up in DS nine And it's even got
James hung in this movie. Who if you look him
up you'll recognize him. But this is a sci fi
horror movie on two be it has a really really
cool idea. This movie is kind of slow, it's kind

(52:55):
of boring for a long time, but it does ramp
up in the end. Is really good good, And so
this one I actually recommend more so than Arcade because
I feel like a lot of the listeners do like
sci fi horror, and that's a genre that I do
struggle with for whatever reason. When I do my sci fi,
I always keep it separate from horror. So if I'm
in a sci fi mood, I'm generally not going with

(53:16):
like your alien type movies. I want with boring, slow
sci fi space opera type stuff like Trek and Babylon
and things like that. But you know, I do know
there's a giant audience out there for you know, these
type of movies. And I'll tell you the premise of
the movie is so cool. So long story short, it's
about a laboratory philoscientists that study deep sleep. And the

(53:41):
what the movie is about is that when people are
in their deep rim sleep, they go to a parallel universe,
like another dimension. And so what happens if you go
there but you bring something back? And so that's the
idea of it is. They spend a lot of time
really trying to sell you on this idea that people

(54:02):
were sleeping their hosts, but when they get to their
rin sleep, they're going to another dimension and we open
up a gateway and very missed like where something comes
back and they call it the John Doe.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
So we're doing some weird type of like Flatliners type
of thing that's going on here, just with sleep versus
with death.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
What year did Flatliners come out?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
That's what I was thinking with this whole.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Thing, because my god, this was nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
This is close Flatliners. It wasnt.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Same year Good Way to Go Full Moon.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
But well, and remember this is the only trivia item
they have that this was actually released under Empire Entertainment
before it became Full Moon.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
But it's at least produced by full Moon. Like you know,
when you watch it, the name comes up. I was,
I was sweating that when at first, dude, I was,
I was like, oh no, but then I saw it.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
A yeah, it's distributed by full Moon. So if you
go out there and you find it out there, it
will be under Full Moon's banner. But when it was
first released, it was done under Empire Entertainment, which eventually,
like you said earlier way over the podcast, is probably
why you also hit that point, is because it became
Full move.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
So here's the reality, right, The movie is clearly low
budget because we have like five different rooms that we
spend the whole you know, in this underground layer. It
gives off very like Andromeda Strain Stargate SG one vibes,
where it's like somebody gets dropped off, they get escorted inside,
they go in this closet and it's magically an elevator
that goes underground and now you're in the research facility.

(55:33):
But Luis Fletcher's character, she's like one of the main
she's not the head hauncho, but she's like second in command.
She's such a great actress. She's really really good in this.
She like really believes in the study and she's trying
to do all the right things, but she kind of
falls victim to being a little too interested where she
puts herself in harm's way. And you have Miguel Nunia.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
As this character.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
He's the techie guy, right, He's the guy with the
headset on that mashing buttons on the computer, and he's
freaking fantastic.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I would have been surprised if he wasn't one of
the better things out of the movie. Just kind of
like looking at the cast, though, I do like James
Hong a lot. He always is an entertaining role, at
least when he's in the films, even though sometimes he
does play a stereotype, you know, but hey, it is
what it is.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Hey, it's a job, right, right For some of these guys.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Well, especially back in the late eighties early nineties, you know,
especially for Asian actors, there wasn't much more than being
kung fu guy or stereotypical Chinese gang.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, and here you are now you're the head of
a research laboratory. And yeah, he's really good in it.
I again, I didn't watch it for him, but he
was fine. What's really cool about it? Well, before I
say what's good, I'll tell you what's bad about it.
The biggest thing is it's slow. And the main actor
this he's like from NASA and his job is to

(56:49):
kind of examine and everything of what's going on, and
he's going to essentially shut it down. I basically, if
they're like wasting money on this project, you know how
the funding is going to be camp that kind of gig.
And he's so freaking bland. He is like a great
value Captain America who can't act. And it sucks. The
guy couldn't even make it on Melrose's place. And I

(57:10):
hate to say that, but my god, for being the
main character, he's so mediocre. Luckily, he's surrounded by talent
and it does get us through the movie. But Brian,
this is what I'm really excited to tell you about
is when things finally get there, we get there, and
I recommend this movie because we get some really cool
practical creature effects and that makes it right there.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah, and that's one of the reasons why I do
like a lot of the Full Moon stuff that's out there.
Even though they're very low budget, all the creature effects
that they do are usually relatively impressive for the budgets
that these creators have. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Now, one thing that Full Moon does is they love
their TNA. And so if you get quite a bit
of TNA because for whatever, for whatever reason, they have
a man and a woman that are sleeping in like
a CAP's and they're put in the deep sleep. I
don't know why they have to sleep naked, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
So you come on, David, I mean you know, you
know how it is in deep sleep. I mean you're
fucking you know, you're sweating your balls off over here.
You got that Kouchi sweat going down your legs. You
can't have to be wearing a clothes and be stinky
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
That's true. How do you think it smells in those pods?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Are? I know, Jesus, it's gonna be worse.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
The pods weren't flogging up, so you know it. Because
you got to be able to see the people that's
selling the movie right now, you got the TNA and
you know, no matter what your preference is, you get
it all in this movie from men and women. So
there you go. You have that if you if that's
what you're in.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
So do you think that if people were in those
pods for a long period of time sleeping in a coma,
that they would eventually get Morning Wood one of them,
at least one of them would.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
It's not that, but but dude, here's the reality is,
despite all his flaws and all the things I could
say negative about it, I can equally say so many
good things about it. Because if you like sci fi TV,
like those Stargate shows, and you're you're kind of used
to that kind of lower end budget, but you can
put yourself in the movie and feel like you're there,

(59:07):
similar to like and by god, I'm not comparing this
as the kind of movie it is like, but John
Carpenter is the thing. You know, very isolated set, but
you feel like you're there. If you could do that,
you could do that with this movie. And I like
where it goes. The creature effects super awesome. But luckily
this movie at least starts from one point and gets

(59:29):
all the way up, kind of like Morning would.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
How dare you can tear to the thing?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Oh my god, I'm just saying that, you know where
where John capperent is the thing is an A movie
that this is a Z movie, but it's still in
the alphabet, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
So you said this one, though, had a better ending
than the majority of the film.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
It did because this movie kind of set this expectation
of Okay, this is the kind of like, dude, I
was shocked once I got a creature effect because I
was led to believe that maybe we were never gonna
see anything. But when we finally do, not only do yes,
you see it, but it's actually really good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
So ultimately, what were the creatures then that were in
the movie?

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Well, I never said creatures, I said creature.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Sure, creature? Is it the one from the poster? Because
once again this is a cool looking poster.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yes, and no, the creature in the movie looks much
better than the poster, Like they really do go all out.
And so let me ask you. I know we always
spoil things, you know on Terrible Terror. Do you want
me to go in depth on the end of this
movie of why it's good or do you want people
to see it for themselves?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I would leave that up to you. If you want
to cut something out on it, do it me, you
know me, I would just fucking say the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
If you're listening to Terrible Terror, you know, you get
the ending, you know, and it's not always a happy
I no, this time it was. If you like horror
movies that are not afraid to go there, but yeah,
this movie, fuck it, we're gonna ruin it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
So the reason that even with it ruined, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Should still watch it because you have a lot of
characters who get killed off screen. But you get the
blood splatter on the glass and you know, on the
wall and stuff, and you're like, Okay, it's practical. It
is what it is. I kind of wish they'd show it. Well,
eventually they do a little bit, but just the aesthetics
of this creature. You get the full face, the claw,
it kind of walks, it looks it's almost in the

(01:01:18):
vein of a pumpkin head, so to speak. That's kind
of where it tries to be. It doesn't look as
good as Pumpkinhead Part one, but it looks better than
Pumpkinhead Part two, So there you go. But the reality
of it is that they go there with this creature,
and it's kind of like they flip it on its head,
where the creature is stuck here killing people. The creature

(01:01:39):
inevitably just wants to go back home. Because the creature
can no longer survive here. It needs to go back
to its own dimension, and so they're like gonna send
it back, but you know, Louis Fletcher's character is so invested. No,
we got to keep the creature, we gotta study it,
we gotta do all these things. Well, eventually they open
up this portal. The creature goes in, and Luis Fletcher's
character is so interested in knowing. She walks up to

(01:02:01):
it and she kind of like she picks up this
pole and she sticks it through, and you know, it's
like whoa, It goes into another world, and so our
main character looks away and looks back, only to realize
that she walks through. She follows the creature into the
creature's dimension, and then she comes back a few minutes later,
and the most simplistic of lines that she delivers just
kind of floored me. And I didn't know anything in

(01:02:22):
this movie could floor me. But when she comes out,
she looks back at the main character, and she goes,
there's so many of them, and that just sold it
to me, the idea that there's this whole dimension filled
of these creatures. And I'm like, oh, that is so cool.
And then what happens That pole comes back through, but
it impels her and kills her and the blood comes out.
You see it go through, and then the creature walks

(01:02:43):
back through, grabs her body, and then pulls her through
the portal and then you know there's your ending. But
it actually has an ending, which is really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
That's pretty cool. So that doesn't sound like it's relatively interesting.
Is just is Is it just like the pacing that
you've got with this movie that really kind of just
pulls it down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
It's a super super slow build. The pacing is slow,
and I think what happens maybe what works for the
movie is because it sets the expectation that I don't
think anything's gonna ever really happen in this movie. Oh shit,
it actually does, and then that leaves you with a
smile of going, Okay, it was worth it. So in
a rating, you know where I gave Arcade a middle
of the ground, I'll put this one a step up

(01:03:21):
and say This one is a solid three out of
five because at least when the movie's over, you're thinking
about what you liked about it versus what you didn't
like about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
That seems like it's fair because at least it sounds
a little more interesting than the film, Like even though
Arcade sounds interesting, this actually sounds more interesting in terms
of like almost feels like a like an alien's or
alien type of like watch in terms of that slow
build that builds to like bigger things going on afterwards.
It does.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
It falls in that conversation of alien and species and
all these humanoid alien monsters where you know you don't
know what you're gonna get until you get it, But
I don't know man like this is. That's another one
that I look forward to rewatching to see if I
like it even more so now that I know kind
of what to expect.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
So overall, you think that ultimately the movie is going
to be a lot better on the second watches, what
you're telling me, I think, So I'll let you know.
You'll let me know because you're gonna do that second watch.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Oh yeah, I got to show it to Julie now
that I've ruined it for her.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
YEA, well, I think that might be the case too
with mine, because when I watched the next movie, I
was already kind of getting tired because of everything else
that went on yesterday. I thought, Oh, I'd get home
and I'll go and then no, you know, Paramle Pat
wanted to go have dinner. So I went and had
dinner with him. And by the time I got back
and our friends were like, Oh, we want to hang
out for a little bit and we want to play

(01:04:40):
some games together. All right, fine, I'll pall play some games,
you guys. And by the time it was done, it
was already at like almost ten at night, and I
was like, I got to watch this movie tonight. And
so I sat down watched the movie and I could
tell that, like, because the pace of the movie is
what also kind of got it for me with this one,
Like it started at a decent and then it just

(01:05:01):
seemed to kind of lull me a little bit, and
then it picked up in the last thirty five minutes
of the movie. You know again, But what I like
about Full Moon Picture is just in general, is they're
all about an hour and twenty two minutes apiece. Nothing
really goes past that. Mark. I haven't seen a full
mo movie yet that goes even close to two hours
hour forty five. Yeah, maybe get something like that, but
most of them stay within that hour and a half mark.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
And that is such my wheelhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
I love it. Yeah and I And after seeing that
was what was nice about doing the Charles Band thing
was after seeing all these movies that hit almost the
three hour mark or two hour mark, and it's like,
oh God, thank god, I have a movie that's only
an hour and twenty two minutes, even though William Shatter
makes it fifteen minutes longer than it needs to be.
But it's called it is called a paycheck. So my

(01:05:46):
final movie for this and going to watch it, and I,
you know, I've seen, like I said, I've seen a
lot of the puppet stuff, right, so I've seen puppet
Master blood Dolls, and blood Dolls is really in a
puppet movie. Just has dolls in the title, is really
what it has because it's the rock group that's in right,
I put in that world, but it's not really. But
this does fit because there is a puppet Master versus
these guys movie. And I was expecting it to be

(01:06:09):
a straight up just like puppet Master. It's gonna be
about in this case, this is demonic toys, so I
thought it was gonna be primary about the toys. It
turns out this is more of a ghost story. Demon
story is kind of what it is, which surprised me
because I haven't seen this movie before. Have you seen
this movie before?

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I have, but it's been a long time, but this
is one I had on VHS.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
So this one again, This isn't bad. It's not great,
it's not terrible. It's just kind of okay. I have
it right in the middle ground, i'd say, of watching
this thing, and I think the middle of the movie
hurts it the most, but then because they had it
picks up at the end. And the acting though in
this movie is terrible. Sands really the chicken guy I

(01:06:54):
have who I forget. While the guy's name, I have
to look at the list of actors that are in there.
I guess if they call it, I think it's Mark,
and that's Bentley is the name of the guy. So
Bentley the actor plays him, actually does a pretty good job.
And this is listed as a horror comedy, and I
don't really see the comedy in it at all, Like

(01:07:14):
I see some things are kind of comedic, but not
everything unless you want to talk about the fat security
guard that drinks all the time, ordering his chicken late
at night. Funny, okay, And that actor is funny. That's
Peter Shrum that plays a Charnetski in it. And one
of his claims of fames is being in Terminator Too,
where I believe he's one of the guys in the
beginning of the bar where Arnold steals the clothes from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I mean, wouldn't you claim that on your resume?

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I would one hundred percent claim it, just like I
claim my role in Unlisted Neighbors Owner. Sorry though I
said neighbor, I'm aant owner, unlisted owner. I'm sorry. I
did not mean to mess that up. Unlisted neighbor. What
the fuck is wrong with that's a sequel? That is

(01:08:00):
the sequel. I hope there will be a sequel one
of these days.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
That's almost like saying dangerous toys instead of demonic toys.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Right, demonic that's right, or demonic liaisons. It's to have
dangerous liaisons.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Well, you know why this movie is marked as a
horror comedy is because don't you find like demonic possession
and pentagrams to sacrifice is funny.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Kind of man, Well, you get that depending on what
they are. I mean, I guess if you have like
Baby Oopsie, that is probably the funniest one in the
movie and does have one of the funniest lines I've
heard in a movie in the longest time is Baby
Oopsie shits his pants? Can Baby UTSI make you shit
your pants? Oh God. But the animatronics for the puppets

(01:08:43):
are really fucking cool, and the puppetry in this movie
is awesome. I have to give it that one hundred percent.
That's the best part of this movie is the toys
themselves and again all practical effects. And I think the puppetry,
especially like on Baby Oopsie in the face that it makes,
is really really good. And it's the story is relatively

(01:09:04):
interesting too, right. It starts off kind of a it's
it's funny because in the beginning of the movie, it's
you've got basically two detectives that are in a car
and they're waiting for the people to show up with
these guns that they're gonna try to sell them, and
they're gonna arrest them because they're sung in legal guns
and hot guns off the street. Uh, but you have
this stupid like romance thing go on because they're dating

(01:09:24):
each other and they moved in and you find out
she's pregnant and oh my god. And you know, this
is one way to make sure that you grow up,
your child grows up without a father, and that you're
gonna be a single mother for the rest of your
life is by going on with this after you tell
your husband or boyfriend that you're pregnant and then go
with a dangerous criminal. He's gonna die. Yeah, I mean,

(01:09:45):
I'm like, okay, he's either gonna kill. I just knew
that was gonna happen. And so a lot of it
is what I liked about it was the whole thing
with the demon that it's buried in this place because
every sixty six years again it's the power back that
it needs to try to come back into the real world.
And so it happened sixty sixty years ago, but the

(01:10:07):
child was still born, so it didn't get birth. It
got birth, but it wasn't an alive demon. It was
dead at the point, and the midwife who grabbed it
told these kids, we're gonna give this as a Halloween
gift like a trick in there, and so they they
open up when they get in the middle of nowhere,
they open it up, and oh my god, it's a
fucking dead baby. And they toss that shit faster than

(01:10:27):
they could do whatever they have to do, and then
it falls into a hole and then the demon gets buried,
and then they build this building on top of it,
and that's why it's trapped in this warehouse. It's because
of this. But I just like the whole idea around that,
and I love that it was taking the formas of
a little kid, and it was like it manipulated her
and giving her these visions so that she comes there

(01:10:49):
because it knew she was pregnant and that this would
get her there, and so and then to use her
to birth himself after he's gonna basically, you know, sexually
assault her and then eat her baby soul from the
inside and then come out basic what he told her.
And so it's it's good, but the ending is dumb.

(01:11:12):
The end again, this is another bad ending for a movie.
This movie is written by Stephen King. I mean the
endings maybe maybe just like the Coke Field rampage is
happening here, but no again. This movie is written by
Charles band Uh and directored by Peter Munoogan Musian. I
don't know how to say that fucking last name.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah, and he's been on your podcast before.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Oh god, okay, we have to click on the name.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Hey, right before this or right after?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
He did Arena. He did do Arena, he did Eliminators,
he did the Howling. But he was a production man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yeah, he's got a lot of credits as a second unit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Director and the dungeon Master.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Yeah, Early Empire, Full Moon stuff Man and seed people.
I mean it's kind of been around.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
But Galaxy of Terror, he was the first assistant director,
which means he got to me. He said, hey, awesome,
Yeah that's right, and you got to work with James Cameron.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Maybe awesome, maybe awesome. I mean you know t too.
There's the other connection.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
There's there's the other connection that's there. So it's like
I said, I think the all the toys are really neat.
The only one that's kind of silly is the bear
at the Teddy Bear, especially when it grows big. Yeah,
it's it's pretty terrible. It's definitely a dude in a suit,
but it does have funny moments in it, but I
still wouldn't call it a horror comedy. I would just
think that like the moments that happened, they they almost

(01:12:29):
could be scary. I mean, if a little toy doll
was asking me if he could ship my pants for me,
I probably would ship my pants at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Hey, do I ever tell you about the time I
was in a bar and James Cameron got his clothes stolen?

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
No? No, okay, then I won't nod. Did he have
to beat somebody up and make them shit their pants?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Well, see, he shited his pants. That's why the you know,
the clothes are gone.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Oh, that's why the clothes were gone. Oh, I get it.
There's there's not a whole lot to spoil about this
movie other than the ending, really, because it's just them
in a warehouse and there's creepy stuff where like when
she goes into the dollhouse and gets like the exposition
from the demon, like that's kind of neat. I like
that little thing of well, this is how I trapped

(01:13:10):
you and everything like that. You know. The first kill,
the first major kill that happened in it was one
of the gang not I would say gangsters but they
were just one of the bad guys. I guess that
was there. He gets ganged up by him, and there's
some good practical effects with the gore, but it's not
like overtly gory. It's mostly like face gnawing that happens
in the movie, and nothing really major that's there. I

(01:13:35):
just like the ending is literally you know again super
spoilers if you've never seen Demonic Toys with it is
that at one point the demon is like getting ready
and talking about, Oh, I'm gonna be growing and I'll
be able to get what I want. And then this
like after he got his ass beat for a second,
I think by one by Brentley or whatever his name is,

(01:13:56):
the chicken guy I think, and they got away yeah,
whatever chicken guy. That's only gonna remember his name, fucking being,
and and they got away from him, and then he
was doing his dietribe down below where the pentagram was
and the or stuff, and then this box opens and
this little toy soldier pops out, and then that toy
soldier ends up saving her before she's actually assaulted. It's
funny because this and until dawn, when I was reading

(01:14:18):
like little synopsises and stuff of these movies. I'm like, yeah,
you guys are wrong, that's not that's not what happened.
He never actually, unless it's a version I've never seen,
they didn't show here on YouTube, you know. And this
is one of the movies that you could actually see
for free on YouTube. It's not somebody uploaded. It's actually
one of the few movies that you could watch if
you want to watch with ads on YouTube, or if

(01:14:39):
you have premium no ads. But it said it that
it did he did assault her, but all he does
is he's like, tells her what's gonna do, puts his
hand over her mouth, he gets on top of her,
but he never does anything. And that's when the toy
soldier shoots him and shoots him off of her, and
the toy soldier is and there's these these I like
the scenes a lot of the two kids playing war

(01:14:59):
for some reason where it's basically like Heaven and Hell
is what it's supposed because she's in the center right
sitting on the chairs. The two kids are basically fighting
over her soul, but with a game of war and
so like, he ends up turning into that kid, but
it's the unborn soul of her son. That's like fighting
for himself, and so because he overpowers and shoots the demon,

(01:15:22):
that's it. And it's that that's basically the ending of
the movie. I'm your son. You haven't given me a
name yet, all right, get the fuck out of here.
I'll see you later when I'm born. Yep. I'm sorry
that I'm not gonna have a dad, but at least
I'm gonna be alive.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Bye Tracy, Bye bye, see you later.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Man. I wish I had fun Storm in the Castle.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
I wish I had more memories of this movie, because
I know I've seen it and I had the VHS
and it was stood on the show for a really
long time. And this is also I think held in
the regard of being one of the dare I say,
I don't even know if I say better Full Moon,
but probably definitely more popular Full Moon movies. And I
think people aren't necessarily watching these movies for the death scenes,

(01:16:02):
but I think we all just kind of gaze at
the spectacle of just the animatronics and the puppetry. It
always looks really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
It does. And I give this movie one hundred percent
that like the dolls, even on the cover, would be
enough if I were going into a Hollywood video or
a Blockbuster video to rent this movie. Like that, Again,
all these have great freaking well except for Ooga Boo,
have great covers. Right. This is a fantastic box art

(01:16:31):
for this movie, movie poster, or whatever you want to
call it, for what it is. And that's what really
drew me to Full Moon movies when I was younger,
is because you walk into Blockbuster, you look at the
wall of all these directed video movies that you've got
out there, and you want to pick the one that
you want to watch. And how do you pick it?
Can I either just spend time reading the back or

(01:16:52):
you can do what I did. Oh, that cover looks cool.
I'm just gonna rent that one. And that's what ended
up getting me on a lot of Full Moon pictures
that I watched when I was younger, and you know,
a lot of them being bad, but it still was
entertaining enough and made me laugh enough that I enjoyed
the watching experience that you had there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Unlike today, whenever you know, you look at a title
of movie or the cover art, you can look at
the IMDb rating or the Rotten Tomatoes score. If there
is one and you go, oh, it's a three point five,
Do I really want to watch this? Or in some
cases you're like, oh, it's a three point five. It's
a typical full moon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Yeah, exactly a lot of them there, and even on
IMDb this is a five point one. Well it's not.
It's not terrible for what it is, but it's still
you know, it's one of those things. And Demonic Toys
in general has had let's see eight films. Isn't that crazy?

(01:17:45):
But which is crazy? And it's funny because there So
there's Demonic Toys in nineteen ninety two, Demonic doll Man
Versus Demonic Toys in nineteen ninety three, and then you
got puppet Master Versus Demonic Toys in two thousand and four.
Twenty ten, you finally have Demonic Toys two, and then
in twenty twenty one the Baby Oopsie series started. Twenty one,

(01:18:06):
and twenty two and twenty two you get one, two
and three, and then you had tomc Toys Jack Attack
in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Yeah. And I don't have a lot of experience with
anything out after Demonic Toys for these characters, so I
haven't seen any of the crossover films. But man, you know,
once Baby Oopsie kind of starts to get spinoffs, I
get a little nervous. I'm like, are these just those
compilation films that full Moon's known for, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Yeah? So, and there was a Baby Oopsy TV series.
Oh gosh, that was done. The series follows a woman
named Sybil who's forced to cover up her tracks after
unknownly adopting a murderous and loudmouth baby doll. Series premiered
on August twenty seventh to twenty twenty one of full
Moon streaming app and their Amazon Prime Video channel, and

(01:18:49):
season two premiered in twenty twenty two, and season three
appeared in twenty twenty two as well. Three seas. That's
probably what that That's probably what the Baby Oopsie is
is that there's three seasons. It's not necessarily three movies. Okay.
For what it is so interesting that we have their
Charles Band mostly written by William Butler, but Charles Band
did write chapter two of season one. There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Well, you know, it may sound like we went down
a path where we're like, oh we love these things,
these are fun. Oh these are really bad. But the
reality is we do enjoy torturing ourselves and watching these
movies is a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
It is, And I would say like ultimately, like we
ended up just choosing these rather than just doing a
generalized topic on Full Moon everything. But they kind of
all epitomize what Full Moon is in general is that
they are all very low budget movies. Right. Again, this
is the opposite side trauma, because I know I talked
about this a little bit, where Trauma is independent films,

(01:19:50):
but they tend to focus more on some of them
focus a lot on the gore and the big tena
aspect of what it is and allowing these people just
to kind of do whatever the fuck they want. I
don't care what it is. Just you get to make
this movie how you want to make this movie. We're
giving you free reins. Here's the money, and here's the budget.
That you got to do it make the movie. Is
what it feels like? Yeah, right, where when it comes

(01:20:12):
to the Full Moon stuff, it kind of was like that,
but they never were in that vein of goriness that
Trauma had, never that off the wall gorious, that comedic
goryiness that a lot of trauma films have in their movies.
But They also were another place for independent filmmakers to
be able to do their stuff. Now, Trauma still lives
up to itself, in my opinion. They still put out

(01:20:34):
stuff that's exactly like they did in the eighties. That's
happening now. It's just a little more would you say
it looks higher budgeted than it is. You know, the
effects are better than they used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Yeah, I mean, there's still always a special place in
your heart for the eighties practical effects, the original Toxic
and whatnot. But I mean, shit, man, we're about to
get the new Toxic Avenger movie. So Trauma is falling
into the spotlight. Though not made by Lloyd Kaufman, probably
still executively produced or something. But you know, will we
see the day where a full Moon feature will get

(01:21:09):
a big theatrical release like this, I don't know, you know,
puppet Master maybe would be the one, but they could.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Yeah, that one could get a release like this. But
full Moon has kind of just devolved itself into these
types of film, like more on the side of the
ooga booga type of film.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
It has because I've seen anything else, you know, a
few of the I think I saw the first three
Evil Bong movies, maybe the first four, and I've seen
some of the Ginger Dead movies, and though the love
for the animatronics and the puppetry is still there, you're
getting off screen kills. You're getting cgi blood a lot
of the times. And again Full Moon has kind of

(01:21:49):
changed what they're doing a little bit. And I don't know,
maybe one day we'll have a trauma talk going shit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Why not? Yeah, maybe one of these days we'll have
to do something like that. And like I did the
other night, I was on stream on Tuesday and we
did I just did like horror movie trailers. We just
looked at a bunch of horror movie.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Trailers that I was talking about fun.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Yeah, it's fun. I really actually enjoyed doing those every
now and then. And so it was just an hour
of watching random trailers that I was looking up on
YouTube to see what was coming up. And when I
did the Until Dawn episode, I was talking about how
what I really loved about that movie was that the
kills in that movie are practical, like the majority of
them almost are completely undercent practical, and with the New TOXI,

(01:22:32):
I felt like that movie wasn't doing practical kills. Then
we watched the trailer online and when because they wanted
to see that, people in the chat wanted to see
the trailer. And when I did that, I noticed that
about fifty percent from the trailer were actually practical, and
I was wrong to say that, and I was actually
very happy that was wrong, because but I also, you know,

(01:22:54):
I want the in that movie in particular, I want
it to be one hundred percent practical, like how it
feels like the original. But I know that you can't
necessarily do that nowadays in the budgets. It's weird to
say that back in some of these movies, like you know,
when you're talking about like Arcade, for example, that the
effects probably took a majority of that budget away from

(01:23:16):
the movie to do if they did any type of
three D effect or CGI type effect, how expensive that is.
And nowadays it's more expensive to do the practical stuff
that used to be way cheaper than to do Oh,
I'm just gonna do CGI blood, which is why you
know Three from Hell has CGI bullets and blood in
that movie, right, because it's cheaper to produce that than

(01:23:37):
it is to produce a movie. Because even until Dawn,
the price of that movie is so much more than
a lot of these other movies to be able to
do that, or they use their budget on that, and
then you notice things are lacking because they decided I'm
gonna spend it where I think it matters, which is
on the kills versus on sets, on plot, on these
other things that are going on there. And that that's

(01:23:58):
what makes it rough.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
It's funny you sad too, because I was instantly going
with three to Hell in my mind. I'm like, exactly
because that was such a big difference between the first
two movies of the Firefly trilogy to the third one,
and so and you know it probably applies to you know,
when you do like the blood squibs, it ruins the costumes.
It's more takes you gotta change. And so obviously I'm
not trying to make excuses for it. I can see

(01:24:19):
the logic side of it, but damn man, I mean,
you got to give people what they want. And you know,
our generation grew up with practical effects. We want practical effects.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Right, And it's why I have such this, you know,
terrifier Boner over here, is that that studio in general
does do the practical effects. It's why I enjoyed, even
though I didn't quite like the movie one hundred percent.
But screen Boat Willie, why I enjoyed it because the
kills were practical and you had a lot more practical
effects that were in that movie. You know, even that

(01:24:49):
stupid Mickey Mouse thing that the mouse Trap oof a
lot of the kills off screen, but there were some
practical things that were done in that movie. So I
have to give them props. And whenever when anybody it
doesn't matter how bad these movies are, when anybody does
something right, you do have to tell it to say, like, hey,
this was actually well done. And that's where it comes
with both. You know, the movies I watched with Uga

(01:25:10):
Booga and with Demonic Toys that there are some good
things in there, and with Demonic Toys there was better things.
And I think if I watched it with a less
tired mind, I probably would have liked it better. Right well,
but even as it stands, that's a straight three out
of five. Like it's still I think that if you're
interested in seeing it, I think you still should. I mean,
you can watch it for free. Why not give yourself

(01:25:32):
the chance.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
There's also the take of if you grew up with
these movies. It holds a special place in your heart
that the nostalgia's there, and it's just kind of your
cup of tea type deal where you're also going in
and watching demonic Toys having never seen it before. Maybe
it'll resonate more with the second watch. But I the
reason I bring that up is because with the first
movie I had talked about Arcade, I would have loved

(01:25:54):
to have seen that when it came out. I probably
would have watched that movie NonStop on VHS because it
was I just I knew it was some thing as
a kid, you know, you would love. And so you know,
that's another thing with Full Moon Features is they may
have turned into whatever they are now, but you go
back and watch anything from the eighties to the nineties,
there's still some good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
There, right And I think that you you hit a
point on the head right there too, is that I
think that people like you and I And I'm not
trying to gay people anybody. I'm not saying that nobody's
going to really, you know, think like we are. But
we grew up through an era with these films, and
you know, me talking about like the blockbuster viewing and
going there and grabbing them. I'm trained, you know, I'm

(01:26:32):
classically trained to watch these movies. It is, you know
and say like those types of things. No, but I'm
just saying, like, I can sit and watch any of
these movies. I can watch these, you know, these eighties horror,
these nineties horror, some of the seventies horror. There are
some older stuff in the early seventies, late sixties. I
have a hard time watching because I didn't grow up

(01:26:53):
watching that type of movie with the classic classic you know.
The reason that you and I bonded in the first
place is because I was raised on those movies by
my grandfather's and so I can watch all those movies.
I can watch a lot of the black and white stuff,
and I'm still into all that stuff, right There still
are timeframes where I just I have a hard time
watching those movies and getting into them. And somebody that

(01:27:15):
is just getting into horror now or they've only been
the horror within the last ten years, and they're trying
to watch these things. Watching something that was mainly eighties
that isn't one of the big studio ones is harder
for those people to watch. And if you grew up
on the big studio stuff. You grew up on what
people call like the Mount Rushmore of horror or anything

(01:27:36):
like that. It's harder to watch these films that are this,
and it does take a special type of horror lover
to enjoy these movies. I'm not saying, like, you know,
I'm gonna give shit to Andy or anything like that
for not enjoying these types of things. And I can
understand where he's coming from, and I can understand where
those people are coming from. But I think there is
a perspective when it comes to Full Moon where it's like,

(01:27:56):
I think I could sit down and watch any of
these and there's gonna be some that I know I
just won't like, but I won't ever knock it for
the things that it does, and just because I don't
like the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Yeah, and again I don't know what Andy's complete frame
of reference is on Full Moon. I watched one called
Trophy Heads that I really liked, and I was like, oh,
you should watch this, and then he watched it, and
I think he didn't like it, and so pro all,
I know, he could just be like, oh, yeah, if
this is what full Moon really is, and no thanks,
but the funny thing. And one of the greatest things
about Andy is he'll he'll tell you, you know, the

(01:28:28):
things he doesn't like. But he's also the guy that
will spend several hours watching found footage movies and I
love that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
So that's that's funny. I had no idea that the
puppet Master versus to My Toy's crossover was made for
sci fi. Why wouldn't it be, right? Of course, it's
always one of those things that you have when you
I'm just looking at these things for Full Moon's figures.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Asylum Entertainment's getting jealous over here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
I know we're gonna have to do an Asylum episode
as well, hey man, and figure out the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Snake out of content. I'm just saying, snake out of
comp Jesus Christ, it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Oh my god. So so here here are some of
the notable releases as we're getting to the close of
this Full Moon chat that we have and I'm just
gonna go this is from the Wikipedia that we have there,
and I'll go down some of the list of these.
So you have the puppet Master series, you have the
Subspecies series, which I've never seen any of the Subspecies ones,
but those are all vampire movies, right, Trancers, which I

(01:29:22):
think I've seen one, and there's actually there's fucking six
installments of them, of the Transfers films, which is ridiculous.
Kill Joy of course, which there's quite a bit of
kill Joy movies as well, Demock Toys, Doctor Mordred, which
I don't think you've ever seen, right, and that's supposedly
a take on Doctor Strange. It's their version of Doctor Strange.

(01:29:46):
Dragon World, there's a lot of the Pit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
And the Pendulum Stuart Gordon yep.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Mm hmm, Prehysteria, The Dead Hate, the Living Room Lake,
The Ginger den Man series, Evil Bong series.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Which is really good if you like Gary Busey.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Yeah. I mean, honestly, the first Ginger dead Man is
not bad. It's not it's not it's entertaining. It's very stupid,
but it's fun. I think that that's one of those
so bad it's good movies. And I think it's because
Gary Busey is the Ginger dead Man. If he wasn't
the Ginger dead Man, I don't think that movie would
work as well. True. Yeah, and then you got, you know,

(01:30:24):
like I said, Evil Bong and the Prime Evils, which
I don't think I've seen the Prime Evils you know before.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Right, and you know there's like the Hysterias stuff. But
you know, the kill Joy movies took an interesting route.
The earlier ones are better than the later ones. I
got really excited. I've watched all of them, and the
kill Joy movies had some really kick ass titles, and
then the movies were just kind of man and so
I was kind of you know, the guy who plays

(01:30:52):
kill Joy, he plays it from part two on. You know,
you gotta give him props for sticking to the role
and becoming kind of the England of that. But the
thing about Full Moon I think they've suffered from the
most is they they heavily restrict themselves on a set.
You can tell that so many of these were filmed
in a rented warehouse or studio apartment type deal, and

(01:31:18):
they just film everything there. And you know, I've seen
Charles Mann in some interviews and he wears on his
sleeve He's like, look, man, you know you can go
to the movies and spend twenty dollars on a ticket,
or you can watch one of our movies and it's
four bucks. We know what we're making and we know
who it's for, and you got to get props for that.
And you know, that's why we did this episode, because
there's people who love these movies and you know, we

(01:31:38):
kind of do too.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Right, And so I'd really like to hear from anybody, like,
what is your favorite full Moon picture? You know, what
is the movie that if you have seen the series,
any of them, from any of these series, and I'm
I would gander that a lot of people might just
say the Puppet Master Series. You know, I think that
the Puppet Master Series in general holds up the best
out of anything that they've done. There's not a whole

(01:32:00):
lot of terribly bad movies in that series.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
True, And you know, I would say that Subspecies has
a lot of fans out there. They have five of
those now. The fifth one came out not too long ago.
I think it was like a year or two ago,
and maybe even a little less than that, still by
original director Ted Nikolai. But growing up, I'll tell you
one that I almost did, and we don't have to
keep this going, but man, Vampire Journals was a really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Movie, and I'm seeing that one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
And I always had a vivid story that's stuck in
my head, and you know, we'll get to it when
we get there. But you know, the cool thing about
Full Moon is my god, it's free and you can
find it anywhere, go watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Yep. And they used to have a paid service too,
which is always weird to me, but hey, they've gone on.
It's now part of two B it's a part of Amazon.
There's a whole channel on Amazon as well that you
can watch all this stuff. And they do have a
YouTube channel and a lot of their movies even though
they are unlisted, they're available for you there and you
can watch them for free. You just got to go
to the full Moon channel and they have a bunch

(01:32:59):
of playlists set are there and you can sit and
you can watch them just directly on YouTube if you
don't want to try to go to other services, especially
if you have something like Premium where you can watch
it without ads, which is nice to have. In their
hour and a half, yeah, they're perfect length, you know.
So it's the since we're at the end of this talk,
is you know, the cat has decided to show up
in the background all blurry and shit like that back there,

(01:33:22):
and she's like, well, now I want your attention with
this whole thing. Is there anything that you want to
tell audience before we go?

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Yeah, I just you know, I love that you guys
are here. You know, keep supporting Brian and his show.
He's been doing it for so fucking long that I'm
just always amazed. No, man, I you know, take what
you've done and double it. Everybody loves this show. We're
all friends, and so we always get excited when we
see what movie comes out next. But before you get
to all that, I'll just say thanks for having me on.

(01:33:50):
I always had a lot of fun doing this. If
people enjoyed this. You did come on our show a
few episodes back where we talked about our top five
final girls, and that was just one of the funnest
top fives I've ever done. So you know, fans of
Brian follow us over here at Scream and Scull podcast
and you'll see him there again in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Yep. And so thank you, Dave. I appreciate you doing
this episode with me. This is always fun if we
can just shit here, not shit here, well my pants
so we gotta oh, oh my god, fucking oopsie baby,
she's attacking again.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
No, I'll have to take these pants off and you'll
see why this was really called a full moon chat.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Oh good lord, No, you guys don't want to be
good thing. I didn't stream this shit. But nonetheless, thank
you for joining. And uh yeah, so I know that
the audience is waiting for the last thing, so we're
gonna go ahead and get into the movie that we
are going to see for the next week. So once again,
thank you very much Dave for being on this episode.
And of course, what you guys all want to know
is what are we watching for the next episode. And

(01:34:48):
I hope you guys enjoyed the chat that we had.
This is a little bit of future Brian coming in
here at the end and the next movie. I decided
to do something that I just I kind of want
to do something fun. After everything that we've done, even
until Don wasn't that bad of a movie, and we
had actually a lot of fun with the Charles Band stuff.
I kind of want to do something too that was
a little more recent, but not terribly recent. This came
out about four years ago, kind of after everything you

(01:35:12):
know with the VID was coming gone and it was
something that went straight to video. I wish I'd got
one of those special theatrical releases, because I would have
gone and seen it, and it was a lot of
fun when I saw it, but I haven't really seen
it since, and I just kind of want to watch it.
So we're gonna do this for the next episode, and that,
of course, is Psycho.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
Many moons ago, a nameless evil was imprisoned in a
place far beyond reach. Hurry, if he were ever to
be released, it would spell certain doom for all existence?

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Is that fear I smell your kind of when you're
torn to pieces?

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
Is this yours?

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
My God? The general for Axidite, whoever wheels it is
able to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Command me go over there, and when first come back in.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
The morning, you will suffer an eternity for this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Mom that I watched him, Psycho Gorman or Page.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
For sure, I will bathe in your blood. Don't worry,
be worried. Yeah, he's going to kill everybody, not unless
I tell him to. What did you three Manix get
up to?

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
This is weird.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
This sick game must come to an end. She will
slave the galaxy into endless servitude.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
He held him. That evil has awoken. There's a new
town and.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Psycho Gorman. It was nice.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
It would be nicer if you were dead by Fye.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
So basically, what you have to think about when it
comes to this movie, what if you took a like
PG family friendly film but made it really fucking gory
and really over the top. Like it reminds me a
lot of like Power Rangers and those types of things,
especially with some of the stuff comes later, and it's
a lot of really cool practical fits and outfits that
we have. If you have Shutter, you're able to watch

(01:37:44):
it for free. It's still available there on Shutter, so
you can go check it out there. Otherwise it is available,
I believe, to rent in a bunch of other different
places and it is very fun. I'm hoping that it's
as fun as I remember it, and hopefully you guys
are able to watch it as well. It is available
like or it is I should say, only about an
hour and thirty four minutes, so it's got a good
run time too, which is always really good for me.

(01:38:06):
So we'll see what happens with it. So thank you
guys for listening to this episode. It's much a longer
mini episode than you know I'm used to doing, but
whenever Dave and I get together, we like to talk.
Hope you guys enjoyed it. We'll catch you all next
time on another new episode of the Terrible Terror Podcast
where we look at Psycho Gorman. So if you guys
want to follow, make sure that you're following on all
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Facebook dot com, slash Terrible Terror Podcast, that is Instagram
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In that's place if you want to reach out to
me with movie suggestions one night, I tend to respond
to people better out there. I'm a little more hooked
into the Instagram world than anything else, especially with the
way a lot of places are changing with their stuff.
If still using Twitter to underscore Tenerscore Podcast, Loose Guy,

(01:38:51):
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You can come by the stream say hi. Last Tuesday
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So all right, thank you guys so much. Take care

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of yourselves and each other, and I'll see you for
psycho or man

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