Terrible Terror Minisode 73

It's a new minisode where I chat about a couple of movies, The Last Of Us Season 2 episodes 2 and 3 as well as the next movie we'll be watching!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hey, what's up everybody, and welcome to a another mini
episode of the Terrible Terror Podcast. I hope you all
are doing well today, and I hope that you've had
a good couple of weeks and that those that listen
to the Wolfman episode enjoyed it. Uh So we're here.
Like I said on the last episode, I've got a
couple of things lined up, and we're gonna talk about

(01:00):
a couple of movies that I've seen recently, and we're
going to talk about the last two episodes of the
Last of Us. So we'll talk about the movies first.
I'll try to be as spoiler free as I possibly can,
and then the next one is going to be spoiler filled,
So if you want to skip the Last of Us stuff,
please go ahead skip it, and then we'll talk about
what the next movie that we're going to see in

(01:22):
for the podcast. So the first thing is Winsaw Thunderbolts
last night. I can tell you I enjoyed it very much.
I feel like that movie is kind of like back
to form for Marvel, and it flowed extremely well. It
also just was like it was highly entertaining. The stunts
were a lot better than in the Captain America, Brave

(01:42):
New World Movie, all that stuff just seemed like it
gelled a lot better. Better storyline, better characters, better just overall. Like,
I feel like, if they're going to continue with this
quality of movie, the Marvel movies might be back in
terms of quality.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
All of the movies have been like bad quality, right,
just some of them. They just don't satisfy a good
enough itch to keep being like, Oh, I have to
see more of this Marvel stuff, because I think that
in our current you know, site of everything that's going on,
I feel a lot of people are super heroed out,

(02:19):
and honestly, I'm getting kind of that way when it
comes to like media, because it always seems there's some
new superhero thing that's going to be happening.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
And I've made the talk.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Before that, you know, people don't really want to go
to the theaters because that's kind of what's there, right,
You don't get like, you know, you get these superhero movies,
maybe some action movies, maybe a drama every now and then,
but like dramas and comedies seem to be more relegated
directly to VOD versus being on like your standard you know,

(02:54):
cinema experience, so it's hard to be like, oh, I
definitely want to go see you know this movie over there.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Though, if you're a horror.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Fan, you're kind of eating good to be honest, because
I think some of these movies that normally wouldn't be
in the theaters end up being in the theaters because
they're cheap to make and they'll sell well. When you
go there, there's gonna be a lot of young kids
they're gonna go to it, and there's people like me.
They're gonna see a terrible movie ripping off Mickey Mouse
killing a bunch of people on a steamboat. So hey,

(03:23):
there you go. That's why those movies exist. And honestly,
most of the Marvel stuff still does well to the
comic book like fan in the comic book crowd that's
out there, the superhero crowd. There still are things that
people are get upset about in a lot of things
like the fact that they're using a shell a ball

(03:44):
and when it comes to the next Fantastic Four movie
that's there, and you know, I really could give a shit.
I just want to have a good movie, a good story, right.
That's a lot of people's complain I hate when people
complain about that shit. It just drives me fucking batty.
So I would definitely give it, you know, a four
out of five bobs. I think that in that movie

(04:06):
there are some things that they ruined for storylines down
in the future, like I kind of wanted to have
questions and would be surprised about some things, but there's
something in it that kind of ruins what I think
about the Fantastic Four movie. And I have a feeling
of a way that that movie was going to end,

(04:26):
and by doing something in this movie that I just
was really like, Okay, you're basically kind of confirming my
thoughts and where I thought that that movie was going
to go. I'm very interested in the Fantastic Four because
I really loved the Fantastic Four since I was a
little kid. Like the two shows that I watched a

(04:47):
ton of when I was a kid was the Iron
Man cartoon and then the Fantastic Four cartoon that used
to come on. There was an really old school Fantastic
Four cartoon that I loved as well, but it's cheesy
as hell, kind of like that old school seventy Spider
Man cartoon. But there was one in the nineties that
I would always want to see, and I just really
love the characters, and so I'm like totally prepared, and

(05:10):
I've been waiting for a good Fantastic Four movie. The
very first one they did wasn't bad. I just always
hated the guy that played Doom right, and I did
not like the Silver Server one. I thought that that
movie was pretty shitty, especially what they did to Galactus
in that movie. And then I don't even want to
talk about Fan four stick that movie.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Ugh.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
So hopefully Marvel can do it right. One of the
things I liked from the trailer that they're doing is
that seems like they're kind of skipping over the origin
story and just kind of placing you into a world
where the Fantastic Four are already the heroes that everybody
knows now. The one thing that I was not super
excited about that you can see in the trailer is
the fact that Sue is going to be pregnant with

(05:56):
their kid, who ends up kind of being like Marvel Jesus.
I've never been a fan of that character and the
way that he is, so I'm kind of like, oh,
why are we already starting there? Like I kind of
wish we had pushed that down the line, and I
feel like that character is gonna somehow become important when

(06:16):
they do other movies, but I really hope not. At
the same time, though, it's cool seeing Herbie for the
very first time in like a live action setting and
looking pretty goddamn good, and I like the way that
the thing looks, and I like the way that you
know Johnny Storm is, even though it's not going to
be true to form Johnny Storm, And I really hope

(06:37):
that Nymore shows up at some point to try to
get his rocks off with Sue Storm, because I think
that would be fucking hilarious when we get to that.
But if you're still interested in the Marvel stuff and
you're on the fence about Thunderbolts, go see Thunderbolts because
I think that Florence Pugh does a great job in
that movie. And I fucking love Red Guardian so much.

(07:00):
And why his name escapes me right now? It always
happens to always forgets somebody's name. It's like somebody's name
goes into my head and I try not to forget
that and then all of a sudden, it like escapes
my head. Entirely the other person that I want to
talk about. And it happened to me earlier today too,
about Florence Pooh Pooh or however you say her last name.

(07:20):
I keep wanting to say Pooh, but it's not Pooh.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I always have to think of Florence in the fucking
Machine every time I think about her. Who's great in
movies like Midsommer, and I think that she was one
of the best things about the Black Widow standalone movies
that they did as well. But I think she's very good.
I think Sebastian Stan is very good. Again, this was
a cast of people that I thought were all good actors.
The only one that I don't see very much is

(07:44):
the actress that plays ghost right in this film, and
it was just kind of like, okay, cool, you know,
she's in it, and she was fine for what it was.
I don't think the role was done justice enough for
her to be like a main character in it. She
was still kind of pushed off to the side in
this movie where it's really, you know, Ilia's movie overall

(08:08):
anything else. And I even think Sebastian Stan Bucky was
kind of pushed off to the side, and even though
he's a bigger figure and he got some of his
alone time, it wasn't focused around him. And I really
kind of wish they had done more with the Winter
Soldier in this movie than they did with the rest
of the cast. But for what they did, I think
that it was really good. And of course, you know
Kurt Russell's son that's in this movie, who I'm also

(08:31):
forgetting his fucking first name. He's a good actor as well.
He's done some really great roles outside of Marvel stuff.
But I do like his US agent in this series.
I loved him in Captain America in the Winter Soldier series.
That was Don Falcon in the Winter Soldier series that
was done, and I think that he did a.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Really great job in this movie too.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
So, like the chemistry was really good around characters, the
storyline was really good. The guy that played Bob was
really good. And I don't want to give something away
because they kind of hide it, but I guessed it
as it were even from seeing it, because like they're
prominently like showing somebody so prominent. Oh and Julia Louis

(09:10):
Dreyfus is excellent in the movie. Though it's weird because
like with her character that she had, I really felt
like she was going to be forming her own version
of like the suicide Squad for what it is, and
that's what the Thunderbolts kind of are in general. But
and it seemed like that's how they were like introducing

(09:31):
her as she was approaching all these people that are
like the rejects or more like you know, assassins and
all those types of things. And then they kind of
flipped the script in this movie in what they did,
and it was just weird because some of the stuff
for what she's doing in the film, I just really
felt like it just kind of came out of left field.

(09:52):
Not saying that the performance was bad, it just was like, oh, so,
this is what she's really been doing, and it's really
only explained in The Thunderbolts, So everything that happened before
it was more like a red herring, which I'm okay with,
but I kind of at the same time just wanted
something maybe a little bit more out of the character.
But I think that she did a phenomenal job and

(10:13):
how she ends the movie is just it's absolute perfection
in terms of the way the storytelling's going with that character.
So Thunderbolts. You want to see it, go see it.
That's my recommendation. The other movie that we did see,
and I'm working on the review right now. I just
I injured my foot stupidly by stepping on something, and

(10:33):
it's been in a lot of pain lately. It's actually
swollen quite a bit, and I finally went to the
doctor to have it checked out, and they're basically telling me,
stay off the foot as much as you can, air
it out as much as you can, and here it
takes some medication that's possibly going to give you the shits,
and it's starting to feel better, but the swelling is
definitely there in the foot, and I'm trying to work

(10:54):
on possibly bringing that swelling down. So because I really
haven't been at my computer as much as I want
to be doing the standard because I don't want to
just do a throw up review. I want to actually
do the one where I put in the clips and
do a little bit more and try to make the
clips burden it to what I'm talking about and all
that other fun stuff. I haven't finished the review, so
hopefully maybe tomorrow, maybe sometime during the week, I'll have

(11:17):
it done and it'll be up, and it's going to
be late for a movie that released, you now, two
weeks ago. But we went and saw Sinners and I
absolutely loved the movie. I think that the movie is fantastic.
If you have not taken yourself out to see it.
It is a different type of horror movie. And for
Ryan Coogler to do this type of horror movie, it's
kind of crazy. And it definitely exemplifies the whole talk

(11:41):
that I've had about horror movies in general, being able
to get a point across without having to be preachy
and hiding it under the guise of in this case, vampires.
If you don't know it's about vampires, that's what it's
truly about. But there's a lot more under the surface
that's going on rather than it being just about particularly

(12:02):
vampires that try to invade the juke joint on that night,
and one of the things without I'm not gonna spoil
anything here, I'm gonna try not to. But the one
thing I do want to say, if you're planning on
seeing the movie and if it interests you and you're
on the fence about it, if you liked From Dust
till Don and you liked both halfs from Dust is on.
You heard my podcast on it from a while back ago,

(12:23):
and you were kind of like, yeah, I didn't realize
it is kind of like two movies. That is exactly
Sinners Centers is two movies, but overall it's basically one
long blues song if you really think about it. And
I love that, and there's some really cool things that
happen in it. There is an after credit scene that
is really mandatory to watch to understand the It's more

(12:45):
like the true ending of the film, or like an
epilogue that adds more to the story and you see
what's happening with the film. And I know that there's
a lot of random controversies surrounding it in certain circles,
and there's something to do with It's funny because it's
Josh Allen's wife that plays the girl that used to
be in love with one of the twins that's there

(13:06):
and is still pining after him. It's funny just because
of the connotations that they they put into the movie
without me having to get into it too much here.
And there's a group of people with that character in
that movie that are just kind of like, you know,
how can that character say that, but you're putting twenty

(13:27):
twenty five like ideals and ideas on something that's nineteen
thirty two, right, And for first and foremost, it's a
goddamn period piece, is what it is. And it does
an extremely good job at representing the period and really
the lifestyle at the time and the insecurities and fears

(13:47):
that were going.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
On at that time.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's just does such a good job overall and just
really kind of like gets into that world so well.
And the first half I would say is, you know,
it's not quite the crime drama say that from dust
till Down is. It definitely is more a period piece

(14:10):
for the first part of it, with some great Delroy
Lindo is fantastic in this movie. By the way, He's
my favorite character in the whole movie, and he is
utterly fantastic. And I've always loved the dude. Got to
meet the dude once when I worked over in San
Francisco at a retail shop and he came up because
he needed some help. And then I remember helping the
guy and then then some people.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Come over, do you know who that was?

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And I was like, No, who the hell's that is?
That was Delroy Lindo, And I'm like, that was Delroy Lindo, like,
and I helped him with his like thing. I was like,
I don't know who the fuck that guy was, and
then I looked at him, like, holy shit, that's who
he is. You No, Romeo Must Die and a couple
of the really cool movies at the time, and so
but he's just absolutely fantastic and like.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
But every character is really good.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
And I have, like I told you before, I have
a love hate relationship with Michael B.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Jordan. I don't know if I've said it here.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Might have said it in other places, but on this podcast,
I don't know if I've actually said it, but I
really do have a love hate relationship with him, and
he's fucking fantastic in this movie. He is the next
to del Roy Lindo. He is the best thing. And
the two brothers smoking Stack are like a yin and
yang of each other, and he plays them so perfectly
in those like they're the similar, but they're completely different characters.

(15:22):
And it's about to me, it's about the ideals at
the time right where I feel like one is maybe
trying to be I don't want to say more progressive,
but definitely is more emotional where the other one is
more business when it comes to stuff, though, he's got
emotional stuff that he's been kind of pushing down on
his character. And you know, the other star of the

(15:42):
show is Sammy or Preacher's son, who is the main
focal point of the movie. He is just the voice
that that kid's got on him is just so fucking beautiful.
And like I said, the movie, I feel like is
an allegory for the blues, and it is a blues
song from beginning to finish and from the prosperity to

(16:05):
the you know, like imagine it being you sold your
soul to the devil to be a fantastic blues singer,
and this is his story of how this trauma actually
turned him into that.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Right. So it's it's just such a good movie.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
And honestly, you know, I can't quite give it a
solid five out of five, but it's a solid four
out of five, and it's it's reaching. If it just
did a couple extra things and there wasn't a couple
of really goofy parts in the movie. For me personally,
then I would have given this a five out of five.
But some of the goofiness that happens in the movie.

(16:40):
I just really felt that it didn't quite reach there.
If I did half of credits, it would be a
four point five out of five, you know. I Oh, yeah,
I'm rating at the same as Thunderbolts, but it's different
reasons and things are really loving this movie, but there's
also some other stuff that I'm kind of like, I
feel like people are not to be receptive too, and

(17:03):
it's the wrong thing and it's the wrong way to
think about it. So that's that's the movie talk. So
now if you want to skip ahead, probably this is
going to be a little bit longer than it needs
to be, but I'm gonna try to get through these
two episodes relatively quick. So this is not like a
two hour long mini episode for everything. But we're gonna
quickly talk about the Last of Us season two. We're

(17:25):
gonna talk about episode two Through the Valley and episode
three The Path. And I'm liking what is changing in
the show, not to one hundred percent. You know, if
you've played the games before, it's hard. It's really hard
to be like you know, and I've there's somebody that
I know that says it like you have a perfect
story there, and I get it. You do have a

(17:47):
really good story in the games, and it's hard when
you take that media and you try to translate it
to TV and in watching some of the after episodes
thing it's like, especially actually with episode three, where it's
it feels like a nothing burger episode, But what it
really is is it's time to allow the show to

(18:09):
breathe and allow the story to focus on Ellie herself
and what she's dealing with. And instead of you have
to jump to the next thing, you have to go
to the next objective. And if you try to spend
that much time in a game, you know it's gonna
deter the audience from really enjoying the game. They want

(18:31):
to get into more gameplay and you can't really do that,
and that's where episode three kind of goes, right, But
the biggest changes that happen in episode two are really
the stuff that happens with Jackson. So episode two centers
around Jackson and Jackson, and the golf scene is in
this episode, right, So by the end of episode two,

(18:52):
Joel's going to die and I'll talk about that in
a bit. I don't want to talk about it. I'm
going to mention it right now, but I want to
save it for the end. I want to talk about
everything before. So the big things that they changed is
that Jesse goes out with Ellie instead, and he's the
one that visits or goes with her to the pot place.
It turns out in this one it's a seven to eleven,
and it has references to Eugene, who is an ex

(19:15):
firefly in this that Joel killed and is the husband
of the therapist that everybody's talking to in these other ones,
played by Catherine O'Hara. I'm not a big fan of
her character. I think she's a great actress. I just
I see what they're trying to do, because a lot
of the themes of the Last of Us two are
being expressed almost directly to the audience through this therapist character,

(19:40):
rather than you going through it yourself, because you don't
get to have that type of experience. And one of
the biggest themes, which doesn't always work for everybody, you know,
is that you know, vengeance only begets more violence. That's
a lot of what's going on in this one, and
that vengeance is you know, it just breathes more hatred
and it breathes it's new, you know, worlds of people

(20:02):
that you're never going to break that slid cycle if
all you do is constantly focus on that. That's that's
one of the big themes that's there. And they say
this a lot, actually in episode three, more than episode two,
but in episode two it's a lot of it is
Abby coming to town with her group of people. One

(20:22):
of the things I really liked that they did that's
different than the games is that the group of people
weren't just like, all right, we're gonna go do this,
all right, no problem, Abby, you want to go kill
this guy, let's just go kill this guy. Well, I
definitely want the vengeance as much as you do, and
we're gonna definitely go out here and kill it. Which
was a lot of the game. And some people's like,
you know, they're they're issues with it.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
We're in this.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
They're all apprehensive, right, we don't know that one of
the characters is pregnant yet, And like I said, they're spoilers,
and I'm going by the game as well, not just
by you know, what's going on in the series itself,
but we don't know that that's happened. You know, there
is the one character that you know in this we

(21:05):
don't know that that was her love interest from previous
That's something that was explained to maybe in episode four,
we're gonna actually explore that a little bit, because I
feel like episode four is gonna shift over to Abby
because it feels like they're going to try to run
the cultest timeline at the same time as Ellie invading Seattle,

(21:26):
and that seems to happen before in the games. It's
before Ellie actually gets there that a lot of that
shit actually goes down, and it's kind of between it
at the same time, because ultimately in the game, you know,
you do switch to playing Abby at the halfway point
of the game, and then you have to go through

(21:47):
all that and eventually you get to the point that
Ellie is there, and then what what I hated in
the game, and I really wish that they didn't do.
It's you versus Ellie, but your Abby, and I wish
that the game didn't do that. And then there's a
whole like epilogue chapter where you're back to playing Ellie
once again, right to actually finish up the game. So

(22:11):
there are things that they'll put into season three, because
I think there's only seven episodes in this and I'm
not I don't know where they're going to end this
season or what point they're going to end this season,
and it's definitely not going to be at the point
that I think it's going to be at, and I

(22:31):
just don't want to speculate until it's there. So I
do like the fact that, you know, the family that's
or the friends and stuff that came with her, they
just want to turn back, like, look, you're gonna get
us all killed. I don't think that this is It's
not all of them. Some of them are with her,
but there's some that are like trying to convince her, look, Okay,
we're gonna search for a little bit, but if you
can't find him, then we need to get the hell

(22:54):
out of here. And there was one in the game
supposedly that they were talking about that they gonna have
it so that Abby actually infiltrates Jackson with the people
pretending to be Jacks Knights, and that's how they were
gonna find Joel. But they scrapped that for the game altogether,
and they did what they did, so instead here in
the in the game, Tommy is the one that goes

(23:17):
out with Joel on the their little like you know
patrol that's out there in the field, and there is
no zombie attack upon Jackson. This is one of the
changes I actually do really like because it never made
much sense in the game. How there was this giant
wave of zombies that was chasing down Abby as you
were playing Abby to the point that you you know,

(23:39):
you met up with Joel and Tommy and you were
going to escape, and you there was a lift that
was gonna take you back to the cabin, and then
all of those you know, the cephaloids, they're just gone.
They're not in the game anymore. They just wouldn't disappear, right,
And it's a ton of them, and it's done in
the same style. And I love seeing the reek creation

(24:00):
of the scene where she's crawling. You know, she's at
the gate and there's the structure behind her and she's
running and then there's so many of them that they
push against the fence and they knock down and she's
got a crawl underneath it as they're all trying to
run and grab her and do all that stuff. Like
it's cool sing these things and the action scenes in
this season are definitely a lot bigger than what I

(24:21):
expected them to be, and this is an example of it.
A lot of people are comparing it to Game of
Thrones because it's in the Winner and there's a bunch
of these guys and oh my god, it's the Whitewalkers. Yad,
you gotta shut the fuck up, okay, whatever, This is
actually in the game, and they're recreating the goddamn game.
You never played the game, And I've seen some people
at the end of this episode be like, well, what's
the point of watching this anymore? Well, you've never played

(24:42):
the game before. Like, I'm not trying to gatekeep anybody,
but those of us that have played the game, we
knew what to expect when it was coming and what
this episode is gonna tell. I'm surprised that they did
in an episode two, to be honest with you, but
it's better than dragging it out for two or three
more episodes and until you actually do it. And I
was afraid that the season would actually end with the

(25:04):
death of Joel, that they were going to spend way
too much time in Jackson and the surrounding areas and
try to use Pedro Pascal as much as the humanlygue
can could. And it sucks that he's not in this
He's not in this show as much as he's going
to be, you know, as he was in the first season,
because there's still a lot of flashback scenes that are
going to happen that he is going to be in.

(25:25):
And there's a great one that happens when they're traveling
to Denver that happens in a hotel. There's a whole
like sequence that you go through with Ellie and with Joel,
and you know, I don't want to ruin that one
right now, but I can't wait to actually see that
one done on the screen. And there's also a great
one where they go to the Natural History Museum that

(25:46):
is fantastic as well. So we've got those two flashbacks
to look forward to. And I do like then in
episode three that if you watched the intro, the end
of the intro always showed Ellie and you know, Joel,
but it only showed Ellie at the end of that,
which was cool. I think eventually they're gonna do it
in a way so that Abby shows up there with
her as well, or maybe it's gonna be Dina and her. So,

(26:08):
like I said, instead Tommy going and Tommy getting his
ass kicked before the whole thing with Joel, it's Dina.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
And what kind of sucks about it is that Dina
and Ellie in that scene that they had in the game,
it was more about them exploring the kiss that happened before, right,
that happened at the New Year's Eve event, and them
developing their relationship to each other better. And here that

(26:36):
kind of got glossed over. It moved more into episode
three than it moved into where it kind of should
have been. So they still do it, but it's not
the same, And that part of it is because they
could extend it out a little bit and delve more
into the aftermath of Joel's death in that So I
like that you had this and then you'll also have

(26:59):
the attack on Jackson, and that you spend a lot
of time with them just defending themselves and all the
crazy shit that's going with all the creatures attacking, and
that you have the giant one that comes there that
for some reason, I just I it blows my mind
that I can't figure remember what exactly what the name

(27:19):
of the goddamn monster is you know and it's not
you know, I know most runners clickers. I like that
in the second one. Well, in the first one to
the introduced the stealth one which was in the first
game but wasn't in the first season of the show,
and now they've introduced it into this one. And by
doing the you know, the roots that were going into

(27:40):
the piping and showing that the you know, the the
their things are there in the town, it actually gave
them warning that they're coming. It's like, well, why are
they doing that over here, That's not something that's in
the game. Well, it was a warning that there's a
ton of these you know creatures out there and they're
going to attack.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
And then they do attack.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
So you see what actually happens to Jack during that
timeframe and how they've been attacked because they talk about
in the games but you never see it here, we
actually get to see a physical representation of it. I'm
perfectly fine with that in the way that it goes.
So a lot of that has to do a lot
of the episode has to do with that attack, has
to do with the fact that Joel is saving Abby.

(28:19):
And then I like too that you know Abby doesn't.
She knows already a lot about Joel versus the game
where Joel just basically is like, yeah, you know, I'm Joel.
I'm Joel Miller. Here's my idea that proves to you
that I'm Joel Miller. Here's the recording of everything that
I've done that says that I am Joel Miller. Here
it is where I killed the doctor who happens to

(28:40):
be your dad. All this stuff that's in here, and
that's me Joel Miller. Like and here the scene that
happens is still more emotional in the game. And I
think that it's more emotional in the game because you
are playing as Ellie and you've created this connection to
that character from and especially the character you played as

(29:01):
Joel for so long in the first one, that you've
created this bond with him, and I think it's more
emotional in the games than it was on screen. Here
one hundred percent. I definitely think that this lost some
of that emotional edge, But there was, like I said,
there's still smart things that happened here that they had
a vague idea of who this was, and it was

(29:22):
really Dina that mentioned his name. She called out to
him and called him Joel, and they know exactly who
They didn't know who the person was, but they knew
that his name was Joel. They didn't know his last name.
They didn't know anything else about him in this one, right,
So she had a vague understanding of who Joel was,
and that was set up in the first episode as
she explained the person that walked in what he looked like.

(29:44):
So at least that's there, right. And so when they
finally come down to that scene and she asks him,
you know, well, where were you what was the last
place that you were outside of Jackson, he knows what's
gonna happen, and he just gives her the information that
she wants and then she to like beat the ever
loving shit about it out of him. And it's funny
because here the golf club actually breaks or in the game.

(30:06):
It's like the strongest golf club in the world, and
even though she's constantly beating the shit out of him,
like the golf club never really does anything. And then
the whole scene with Ellie and Jesse, while it's good,
it's just so short in comparison to what it is.
But I guess there's a lot more just gameplay stuff
that's going on there versus what's happening in this world.

(30:29):
That it's weird that all of a sudden they kind
of show up, like it seems like they're like Dios
ex Machina showing up and you know, her getting shot
and her you know, having to watch him get killed
in front of her eyes, and we don't get one
of the scenes that you know, I loved in the
second game where he's playing the guitar to her and
he's singing to her. He's singing a pro jam song

(30:50):
Future Days, I believe, is what he sings to her,
and instead we're gonna get something we suppose we are
going to get that scene. I just don't know when
we're gonna get that scene. But I don't think he's
also going to be singing Future Days though. I think
we're getting the guitar scene of when she is singing
to Dina in the shop that you can do that's optional,
which is kind of cool, when she finds the guitar
and you can play the guitar for a little bit.

(31:13):
So I don't think it impacts as much. I think that,
you know, it still is tough to take and a
lot of people really like Pedro Pascal as an actor,
and I think they really came to really like Joel
and that's why, you know, some people are really upset
with where it goes. But again, those who play the game,
we know how it went. So that then brings us

(31:34):
to episode three, and like I explained before, we get
a lot more personal in this one. This one is
really set as a grieving episode and how Ellie is
going to go on her hunt for Abby and the
people that did what they did right, And it's really
more to get to the emotional core of everything that's

(31:56):
going on because this is three months later and Ellie's
it's been in the hospital and even in the beginning
of the episode, she's waking up and she's in pain,
and you know, then she passes out because she's still
reliving the memories of Joel and the last moments that
she has with them. But we also go through a
really cool and emotional scene and I felt more emotion
out of this than I did about the death of Joel,

(32:19):
and it took me a second to realize what was
going on. And it was Tommy and he was the
one that was basically being forced to clean off his
brother's dead body and him sitting there and just the
emotions that poured out with that, that was absolutely amazing.
I think that was really well done. It's not in
the show. I think that was better to give us
a better connection to Tommy, because you know, a lot

(32:42):
of what goes on once we're three months out of
it is that, you know, Ellie goes back to the
house and it's cool that they built the whole house
there for this scene specifically, like they recreated the entire
house from the game as a live set, right and
they just basically green screen in the background, but they
build the front, they build all the rooms, allowing her

(33:03):
to walk through and be in those different rooms, and
that's really cool, and the emotion does set in in
that scene, and it's very good too. But Bella Ramsey,
and I know I've called her Bella Thorne before, but
Bella Ramsey, Like again, I just don't know for she's
good as kid Ellie, and I'm wondering as adult Ellie,

(33:26):
is she good enough to properly do what needs to
be done with this character. And I'm still waiting to
decide that because there's some really good moments in it.
But then she's still like the smart ass kid Ellie
and that's not really the Ellie from the second game,
and that can become a problem as it moves.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Along in the series.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
But we'll have to see whereas Abby, Yeah, maybe she's
not bulked up enough, she's not roid rage Abby as
she is in the games, but at the same time,
maybe she's you know, she still does the role really well.
So I'm kind of like torn between the two actresses
that are there. And but again a lot of it

(34:09):
is then her going and talking to Tommy and seeing
the information because Dina was able to describe the people
and she got some of the names there there, she
knows where they were going and that they were part
of the WLF, and that she did more of her research,
and so she's giving Ellie the crumbs that she needs
to go out there and avenge Joel is what she
wants to do, right. And so you have the town hall,

(34:32):
which I think was in the game, but I don't
think it was the same as it was there. I
think that that was actually a little different if I remember,
and I was trying to actually find it because it
had been a while since I had seen that, right, there,
and so it's just it's it's interesting for what it is,

(34:54):
and I like the way that this was done here,
and yeah, they're all against it, and so Ellie's got
to sneak out in the middle of the versus.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I think in the game, she basically was telling Tommy like, look,
if you're not gonna go, then I'm just gonna go.
And he's like, no, you're not gonna go. And then
Tommy disappears, and Tommy's the one that goes to Seattle first,
and that prompts Ellie and Dina to go after them
and leave the town and do the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
We're here. It happens to be the.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Guy that was, you know, very mean to her and
Dinum and the kissed to the night of the thing.
He's the only one that believes in justice for Joel
out of the town. He's one of the ones that
stands up during the town hall meeting, and even though
they have kind of a rocky relationship, he's the one
that helps them get out of the town in the
in the brink of night. And I think that that's
not bad, you know. I think it's good for what

(35:40):
it is and for what the series doing and changing
the care is just a little bit and making them
being a little more you know, I don't know involved
in the way that it is and how they're doing
the story.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
It's mixed.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I mean, you can do with it, do without it,
but it's fine for the way it is. And then
a lot of the episode of the end is just
them leaving, you know, getting ready to leave, and we
have that scene that we should have had before in
the in the store, in the weed den that was
down there. Instead we have it as they're you know,
camping outside of Seattle. And the one thing I didn't

(36:15):
really like was that when they finally showed the WLF
and they were getting to the town, it was like
the troops are running. They were like, oh, I don't
see many of those people around here. It must not
be that big. And then they show the giant army
of troops that are marching through the town, right. I
was like, uh, they they didn't really see that. And actually,
because they were busy fighting, they introduced to they introduced

(36:37):
the cult in this one, and because those people were
kind of fighting the cult at the same time, that's
why Ellie was able to sneak her way in and
they were more watching out for cult members than they
were watching out for Ellie. And so when Ellie comes
and does all our shit, it's it's a surprise attack
on most of them. And but they've been dealing with
these cult people at the same time. So I'm just

(36:59):
kind of like, you're not really going to And I
do like that they're trying to show like how you know,
delusional that they are, Oh, there's not many people, and
then how what they're expecting to see a well ironed,
you know, military force is actually there, and it's they're
going in something that they've never had to deal with before,
that these guys are well armed and smarter and Mary,

(37:21):
I have to see what happens in the next episode,
which is titled Day one. Get back to my other
thing about the night talk that they had where they're
talking about, you know, Dina's asking her what was one
of the good kisses. One of the things I didn't
like that they did was her saying, oh, I'm back
with Jesse, because I think even in the games she
was like, oh, I'm not back with Jesse, you know,

(37:42):
and you know, it was like here, maybe she said
it to be like a poke at Ellie, you know,
and basically tell her that, you know, I'm I'm not
you know, I'm back with him, but to get her
jealous or something like that. I don't know why they
really decided to do it. And it's funny because there's
actually two people that are pregnant, but we don't know

(38:04):
that they're pregnant in the show. The scene with the
cultists is extra and I don't know if it was
worth it, to be honest with you, That's probably one
of the weaker things in terms of the episode. Like,
I know we're gonna introduce them because we want to
run these two storylines concurrently. Right when we run the

(38:24):
whole storyline between the WLF fighting the cultist people and
all the crazy shit that they're doing and how they're
you know, messing with the people there and trying to
convert everybody over into them. But they're like on a
separate island outside of Seattle or some shit like that,
and eventually Abby goes there. I'm trying to remember it exactly,
but instead they're actually walking in and then they're all

(38:46):
slaughtered by the WLF forces and there's a little girl there,
and I thought that little girl was going to be
a different character, and turns out she's not. She's there
basically just to be killed, and I'm like, and at
one point she just asked like that one dude, hey,
do you have a can I have your hammer? And
do you feel stronger with that hammer?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
More protected?

Speaker 1 (39:05):
And she's like, yes, I do, and then you know
they find her. Ellie and Diana are the ones that
find them all killed. I'm trying to remember exactly if
they ran into the cult members beforehand or not, and
that's something that if you guys remember, please let me know.
So I think that if I didn't rate the first

(39:26):
episode out of it, i'd rate that one like a
four out of five. I would give episode two. I
would give it a four out of five two, and
i'd give episode three a three out of five if
I had to go through them. I don't think it
was as strong as the first two, but it definitely
had good points and I don't like. I didn't like
the stuff with Tommy talking to the therapist and him
trying to understand a little more of what's going on

(39:48):
and trying to alleviate some of his problems. It's good conversations,
but I feel like it's superfluous when it comes to
the whole thing. So and I really feel like that character.
That's one of the things I think doesn't belong in
the game or in the in the movie or TV show.
I keep bouncing between all this stuff, and we did.
I did have one comment from a listener from here,

(40:12):
and his thing was about Joel and like the things
that he saw, he's like a hero will save the
world and let his love die. Villain will save his
love at all costs and let the world burn. Joel's
the villain. And after I learned this viewpoint, I you know,
I like him more, but he does deserve to die.
So it's it's interesting the way that he kind of

(40:36):
does it. He like liked him. He likes him like
I know the guy this is Uncle x files and
Uncle x Files didn't like Joel as much in the
second and even after the playing the first game for
what his decisions were in the first game. And you know,
I'm not sure if it's one hundred percent joke or not,
but the fact that Joel gets killed in the second one,
he's was like, I was happy that that happened in there,

(40:58):
because you know, and we don't know if that would
have really worked either, right, but he does kind of
become a villain, and I can agree with that point
as well. So I know what the other people are
here waiting for, and I've talked enough, and we're gonna
go through. And what is the movie they're gonna watch?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Now?

Speaker 3 (41:15):
This was suggested?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Okay, so Phantom Dark Dave, he's the one that suggested
that I checked out some Full Moon Pictures. I know
I made a mistake where I said they were eighties,
but they're mostly nineties. I always felt like they were
mostly eighties. But Charles Band's been doing stuff in the eighties,
but full Moon Productions Full Moon Pictures really took off
during the nineties, and the director of VHS Craze, so
one of the movies that he wanted me to do
because his co host on the Screaming scol podcast Andy

(41:40):
refuses to do anything Full Moon or Charles's Band, and
that's one of the reasons why he wants me to
do this. I'm calling you out here, Dave. It's gonna
go through here, and so I'm gonna go with his suggestion.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
First, this is a movie.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
That I wasn't sure that I wanted to do at all,
but I decided I'm going to go through with it.
We're gonna do this one first and then we'll do
the other one afterwards. Now I'm gonna warn you guys,
the episode might not be released on time because I
have something going on that same evening, and I know
I got to be there earlier than I want to be.

(42:13):
I'm gonna try to set myself up to make sure
that I get the recording done and I get out
of the house in time, so I'm not just super
late with everything that I need to do that evening.
But we'll see what happens with the recording, so it
might come out Sunday versus Saturday. That's all I'm trying
to say. If I don't finish in time. But nonetheless,
let's go through and supposedly this is a little less

(42:34):
horror and a lot more TNA. As we're gonna go
looking at head of the family. Oh shit, you must

(43:02):
take the wrong turn.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
There ain't no turns off this highway.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
What Lance, What did you see back there?

Speaker 4 (43:11):
I saw the light? Honey, Why I saw the light?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Who you've met?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
My brother?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Say to my sister, mister Bogan, I don't believe we've
ever met. My name is Myron Stackpool out there. Pardon
the expression the head of a family. We Stackpools all
have our peculiarities.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
You made them folks downstairs go away. I want you
to do the same thing for Howard Oates.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
You make him go away, and you aren't at all
concerned about my subjects down in the basement.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Letting you do what you do, just letting you stay
around and keeping my mouth shut. That's a man takes
a risk, but you got to get paid for it.
Seems reasonable to me.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
You've pressed too hard and you make it with it
for me to employ desperate measures. I'm not normally a
vindictive person, but in your case, I'm going to make
an exception.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
So this is available as part of all the movies
that are on t B, and TB has a lot
of full moon pictures, and so I hope to look
through more and more of them that are there, and
if there are a couple that I want to do,
maybe we'll extend this past May. But for now we're
gonna stay it just in the month of May and
do a couple of episodes that are here focused on
some full moon stuff. That's there, and actually we do

(44:54):
have three Saturdays in May because the thirty first is
the end of the month, so we will definitely do
at least three movies here. And it's funny because this
movie on tob is presented as part of William Shatner's
Halloween Fright Night, so we might have an introduction to
this movie by the great William Shatner. If that is

(45:15):
the case, that will definitely be something that is on
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(45:59):
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