Ancient Evil w/ Dr. Doug Hamp

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
So in the Bible, it doesn't give us the whole story,
but it gives us clues. We know that Nimrod went
and build a tower at this place called Babel. What
does Babel mean? Babel or Babel? It means the gate
of the Gods. It's a passageway between two different places.
I actually believed that the town of Babel, it wasn't

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just a tall building. It was a piece of technology,
a stargate, if you will, so that the beings from
the other side could come to this side. Now, why
would they need that? When out of any of sin,
there was some kind of a veil between heaven and
Earth that came into existence, and that veil, this membrane,
began to exist to protect mankind from the fire of God,

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but it also limited the malevolent angels from just manifesting
any old time that they fell in.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, hello and welcome to the Tinfoil Hat Club. Thank
you guys for joining me. I am Kyle. We are
going to have a great show for you today. We
are going to bring back our friend Doug hamp to
the show and speak with him. Excited to have that conversation.
This is actually going to be covering his book Corrupting
the Image Too. So there are three books in this series.

(01:25):
I would highly encourage you guys to check it out,
but we're really going to be pulling a lot of
the topics from his book, the second book in the series,
Corrupting the Image Too. You guys can actually find that
on our website at the TFHC dot com forward slash guests,
or you click on the guests tab, you can actually
get to Doug's tab over there. Just click on his name,
Doug hamp and you can see all of his books

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on there. Their affiliate linked. Or if you actually are
watching this and you want to ski in the screen,
you can actually get the book we had it up
on the intro there by scanning that QR code right
there and again, it will take you to our affiliate
link and you'll be able to get the book off
of Amazon. Helps out, the show, helps out Doug, and
everybody wins. But you guys are definitely gonna want to
pick up a copy of I would suggest all three

(02:08):
books in the series, but definitely, if you guys hear
some of the things you hear today, you're going to
want to pick up Corrupting the Image too. So very
good stuff. Doug, thanks so much for joining me, Man,
appreciate it. Great to be here. Thanks, Kyle. Yeah, man,
So yeah, we had a quick talk before we started
hit record today. But guys, I cannot tell you you
know the joke that I kind of made with Doug,
and it's very true. It's not really a joke, it's

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actually true. It's funny that I said it. But we
could literally spend the next year probably covering topics that
Doug is broken into in this book. So if you
are the least little bit interested in linguistics at all,
there's a ton of others content in the books. So
if you're not interested interested in linguistics, there's tons of
other stuff that you guys will get out of the
book as well. But if you are into link linguistics

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the least little bit at all, you're going to want
to check out Doug because that is definitely his passion area.
And I kind of had told him I was going
to say this and embarrassing right on the show, But
know that that is exactly what God made him to do.
That is his passion, it is his strength. He's very
very good at it and it's very impressive. But What
that really does is he uses it as a wonderful

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tool to explain because now that we sit in you know,
twenty first century Western Church civilization, right, we do not
understand all throughout time now, going back however, many thousand years,
how Satan has been just known by a different name.
We know him as Satan, but throughout time he's been
known by all these different nomenclatures, right, all these different

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taglines and names, and we're going to get into those
today because it's really important for us to be able
to see that when we read older literature or we
hear things being brought up, you know, about how the
Anaki created us, you're going to see stuff in there
that is completely not true, obviously, and you're heard what
that comes from. So, yeah, the first part of our

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show today is really going to be talking about Satan
and who he is and breaking down exactly, you know,
who we're up against, What is the backstory here, what's
the enemy, who is he, what's he about? How is
he created? And that's really kind of the first place
that Doug goes in the book that I kind of
want to pick your brain on. So, Doug, are you
ready for a fun run.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I am ready.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's all right, man. So you know, like I said,
one of the first things that you kind of discussed
in the book is exactly what I just said, is
who is Satan? Right? And you had talked about, you know,
how magnificent of a creation he really was, by God.
You know, you really have to kind of break apart
some of the things that are in scripture. But when

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you start to do that, and there's not a ton, right,
we don't have a ton of backstory in scripture, so
we have to really look at what's there and really
take a look deeply at what is being said there.
And you know, so if you would just kind of
outline who exactly this entity is and how was he
created and what are his characteristics? Oh man, great question.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
So, yeah, Satan is He's he's the ultimate bad guy.
You know, everyone has a backstory. Darth Vader has a backstory, right.
You think of some of the most iconic bad guys,
they have some kind of backstory, and you know, often
they didn't start off as you know, evil, but through

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these little choices, they made these different directions and they
went that structure in their life. Satan was created as well.
We don't ultimately know what his name was, but in
the ancient world he was known as Enlil, and we
in the Bible we find him known as hellel. So
he was the one that God created to be the

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prime minister over all of God's creation. I liken him
to what Joseph was to Pharaoh. Pharaoh says, you know,
you're going to be the top dog. Only this throne
is going to establish me higher than you, but otherwise
you're in charge of Egypt. And that's essentially what God
did with Satan. But think about this, the moment that

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Pharaoh had as a child, Well, that child is going
to outrank Joseph. Even though Joseph is the master of Egypt,
Pharaoh's child would still rank higher. And that's essentially what
happened with Satan, is that he was the prime minister.
He was the visier. He was, you know, the one

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who was carrying out all the day to day governing
activities of God's cosmos. But then God made Adam and
Eve in his image and in his likeness, and he
gave the keys to them. And you know how hard
would it be for the prime minister to pull a
fast one on the king's kids. I mean it's not

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that hard, you know, because they're kids. They don't understand
all of the operations. And Scripture is really amazing when
it talks about the creation of Satan, you know, and
I think this is where, you know, sometimes people don't
appreciate what scripture is actually telling us. So I was
going to go there in Ezekiel chapter twenty eight, because

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when you look at it, you're like, oh, well, maybe
this is just talking about a human king, but it
really isn't. I mean, listen to what God says. He says,
you were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and
perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God,
and every precious stone is your covering and all these
amazing stones. So right there you have it. He was

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the seal of perfection. That means that he was the standard.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
He was like the measuring stick of perfection. When I
want to know how long a foot is, I go
get a ruler and then I know how long it is. Right,
that's the standard. And so Satan was the standard of perfection.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean that's huge.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Right says he was full of wisdom. He wasn't half full.
He wasn't three quarters full. He was full, one hundred
percent full of wisdom. And then he was also perfect
in beauty. Now that one really blows my mind because
I think God is perfect in beauty, So how can
Satan be perfect in beauty? I don't know, but you

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can see when God says these things about him. If
God is perfect in beauty and Satan is perfect in beauty,
then Satan looks at himself and he's like, dang, I'm
good looking, you know. And I think he was looking
in the mirror and he's like, h wow, I'm I'm pretty.
I'm pretty amazing, you know. And this is what God
says is that it was the the iniquity because your

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heart was lifted up because of your beauty, and you
corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. So
I think when Satan looked in the mirror, he's like, man,
I should look like God. And he's like, huh, maybe
I practically am almost God, you know. And this is
where he started thinking that his will, his rule was

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good enough, and you know, he didn't need to submit
to God in a sense. But there's also another part
of it, and I bring this out in the book,
which is it's sometimes it's pretty easy to submit to
a really amazing boss, and if you've ever had an
amazing boss, it's great working for this person. But then
their kid comes, right, you know, their kid comes to work,

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and you're like, wait, I like working for your dad
because he's really smart and he's really accomplished. But now
I've got to take orders from junior. And the only
reason you get this job is because your dad puts
you in this job, right, And then you can start
to feel some resentment. I think we can, you know,
not to create too much sympathy for the devil, but

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this is kind of the scenario that Satan found himself in,
and that's the challenge. And this is really what Jesus
teaches us is that the greatest will serve the least.
And this is where I think Satan his ultimate failure
was that he was not willing to be a servant
to those lesser than himself. You know, again, it's not

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super hard to be a servant to someone greater than yourself,
but to be a servant to someone lesser than himself,
well that really that hurts our pride, and this is
where he ultimately fail and pride was his number one thing,
you know, and so he was lifted up. And there's
a word in Ezekiel twenty eight that again blew my mind.

(10:24):
I mean, I was doing all these linguistic things because
you know, I grew up Baptist. I grew up hearing
about Satan. He is the quintessential epitome.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Of bad guys, you know, yeah too.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
And he's absolutely critical for the story. You know, every
story has its arcs, right, and you have the good
guy's arc and you have the bad guys arc and
this is what makes the story really exciting. And the
story that we just happened to be living in is
really no different. There is an ultimate bad guy, and
once we understand kind of where he's, where he came from,
what he's trying to do, then we're like, oh, okay.

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And then understanding the end times makes the you know,
it becomes it makes a huge difference for that. And
I think if we skip this step, like when I
was writing the book, you know, I kind of wrote
back book two and book three back to back. I
mean I wrote Corrupting Image Vying one back in twenty eleven, okay,
and there was I thought that was all I needed
to say about it. But then I started looking and

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I'm like, there's a whole lot more to say, and
so I go a whole lot more. Yeah, And so
I wrote Book two and Book three kind of together,
and I almost wanted to skip book two because I'm like,
I want to get to the good stuff, you know,
the end Times. But I thought, no, I have.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
To write this book.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
And I enjoyed it for sure, but corrupting image two
people say well, I just want you know the end Times.
Tell me, yeah, but we got to have this foundation.
Once you have the foundation, then you can go to
those symbols in the book Relation and you go, oh,
I see why he's called the great Red Dragon, right,
we see where that's coming from. In eachient history, we

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can come to the woman that rides the beast, who
we're like, oh, okay, that's Inana from you know, ancient
Near Eastern texts, and it all makes sense now. But
so here's this word in in Ezekiel twenty eight. It says,
by the in the King James, New King James, by
the abundance of your trading, you became filled with violence within,

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and you send and therefore casts preferring thing out of
the mountain of God. Now wait a second, was Satan
trading like was he like well, was he trading like
you know, angel phones or something or you know, I mean,
well the world would Satan be trading. But this word
here is hula, and it's the same word as rachael
or rakiel. It means a slanderer. It's related to your

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the word regular in your foot, so it has you know,
it's it's coming and going, it's communication, it's walking around
that of some sort. And this is what blew my mind.
If you take the word slanderer and you look at
it in Greek. In Greek it's dia volos, and for
those that know they're Spanish, it's diablo, right, So it's

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literally the slanderer. That is what devil means. It means slanderer.
And this word here, jul, I think it's better translated.
By the abundance of your slanderings. You became filled with
violence and within and you sind and I cast you
out of the holy mountain of God. So this really

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gives us insight into both God and Satan. One God
was giving Satan a long, long leash to say all
kinds of smack. And God didn't smack him down right away.
He allowed him to just keep saying these things until
finally God's like, okay, now you cross the line, you know.
So and so it tells you about God's grace even

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toward Satan, but it also tells you that Satan was
probably sowing the seeds of discord. And that's one of
the seven things, you know, the sixty eight seven that
God hates in the Book of Revelations or Proverbs chapter six,
where he talks about you know, God really hates brethren.
That's so discord. And and this is what I think

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Satan was doing, is, you know, he was something probably
saying something. I don't know exactly what he's saying, right,
but you know he's probably saying to the other angels,
you know, should we be worshiping or serving Adam and
Eve when we should only be serving God? And exactly
how that went down, But but they bought it, you know,
hookline and sinker, and and they were I think Satan
was saying basically the same kinds of things to the

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other angels that follow him as he eventually said to
Adam and Eve. Did God really say and it's just
that subtle character assassination that he was all about. And
you know, and I think, you know, well, he's been
doing this for a couple of thousand year rights right,
ears right, and you know he's obviously very good at it. Unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, so that's kind of the basic background of of
who Satan is now in this text, and he's twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
It.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, for many, many years, I just sort of
took it as faith, like, Okay, the scholars say this
is talking about Satan, but then you know, the more
liberal scholars will say, no, it's not talking about Satan.
It's talking about the King.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Of tire, right, which makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, And I thought, you know, I really should address
us finally, because I can just take it by tradition
that it's talking about Satan, or I can really get
into the depths of it, you know. And you know,
you're you're never disappointing when you start digging into stuff.
That's the beautiful thing about.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Seeking your truth.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
When you seek the truth and you're willing to dig
all right. Now, some people get lazy, okay, and they
the first video they watch on YouTube, they're like, oh,
it's truth. There you go maybe watch a couple.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Okay, it to diffirm yourself when you're looking to do that. Yeah,
you know that's not truth seeking. That's just you're trying
to verify someone else but that has your opinion. So
that's a lot of danger that people fall into.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, it's the Dunning Krueger effect, where you know, we
think that we have a tiny bit of knowledge and
now we're experts on things.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
It just doesn't work that way.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
And so anyway, I started looking into who who is
this king of Tire. I'm like, well, this is interesting.
Well it turns out that it's someone known as Melkrt,
which is Melekkat, which is the king of the city,
and this is a reference specifically to the the god
of the underworld. I was like, no way, this is crazy, right.

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So we find Melkart on a bilingual inscription of Phoenician
and Greek inscription in Malta, so that it's Melkart on
the Phoenician side and Heracles on the Greek side, and
I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Okay, So then I started
digging more into into Heracles, and long story short, it

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turns out to be Nimrod. This is the problem. You
start pulling the strings, you keep finding more things. Oh
where does it end? You know? And but but, but
it all came, it all came together, and I was
a stounted. How just how, you know, amazing these book
ends were. Remember when he's in Revelation, it talks about
how the dragon is going to give his throne, his

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power thrown, and his authority to the beast. Well, that's
exactly what happened in the ancient world en Lil also
known as Satan. He gave his authority, his power, and
his throne to nin Urta, who is the lord of
the earth. I was like, no way, all right, So

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let's back up a little bit because the other text
that we need to look at is Isaiah chapter fourteen.
Isaiah chapter fourteen is talking about the king of Babylon.
And again, if you read it, you're like, this isn't
a human king. If you think it's talking about it's
not because nebu Keinezer actually had a great finish, right.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
He started off.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
As kind of a punk in God's eyes, right, and
then he says, oops, Mayapulpa, I messed up, you know,
And the God of the Israelites is the real Oh, God,
and nobody talked, nobody talks back about.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Him because he's awesome, even like a wild man in
the wilderness for seven years and kind of that to him. Man,
won't it He.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Learned his lesson in the hard way. You know, he
learned it. And so when it talks about the king
of Babylon, it cannot be talking about Nebukinzer, the greatest
king of Babylon. So who is it talking about. Well,
we know that ultimately the one that created Babylon was Nimrod,
so it's related to him. But it goes back even further,

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the one behind Nimrod and the Hebrew word where it says,
how you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of
the Morning. If you look at the Hebrew, it says
the word hey len. And this is I have to
give credit to my friend doctor Bill Gallagher, who wrote
a brilliant paper on this, on the identity of Hell
ben Shaka. And you know, I read this thing, goodness,

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how many years ago, back in two thousand and five,
I think, I mean, it was a long time ago,
and I read the paper and I'm like, huh, well,
I won't.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Talk about how that's twenty years ago. Now, Doug, I
know we're not going to say art, does it not?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, I know, I'm like, but I'd read it and
I thought it was a brilliant paper, but it took
me a while to really put it into full view,
you know, and to just to fully bring out the
implications of this. But what I've when I, you know,
if only got on board with this, Haleel in Akkadian

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is iliel and in Sumerian it's end Lil. Now, for
those that don't know, Akadian is a very old Semitic language.
It's related to Hebrew. Sumerian is probably the oldest written
language that we have not related to Akadian, but there
was a close relationship between these because they were kind
of neighboring languages and labor neighboring peoples, the Sumerians in

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the Acadians. So anyway, so in Sumerian en lil, and
here's what his name means. It means Lord Wind. I
was like, oh, my goodness. Paul talks about the prince
of the power of the dair right and Lowe was
also the one who separated heaven and earth. He took

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earth as his portion Anu the creator God took heaven
as his portion en lohe was the one who was
the god of the thirty three stars, He was the
one who held the tablet of Destinies that gave him
authority over the affairs of mankind, and on and on
and on the list goes, and I was like, oh
my goodness, this is crazy. Right. So when if you're

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looking for Satan in the ancient world, you will not
find him anywhere. There is no mention of Satan. And
that's very suspicious, right if we as Biblicists, we believe
God's word to be true, and we're like, okay, so
why don't we find evidence of Satan in the ancient world,
If he's so real, why don't we find him? Well,

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because he doesn't go by that name, and it's not
even a name, it's an epithet. It's a title and
his name though, the best we can tell is hello,
that's his name. Now, Lucifer was a misunderstanding on the
part of the Greek translators. They they came to this word,
it was it's a word that's he used once in scripture.

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It's called a hapax algomina, and so they they basically
understood it as Alsos the Bringer of the Dawn based
on the Son of the Dawn, and so they were
just trying to make sense of it. They messed up though,
and it's helel so which is Enlil. And I'll tell
you once I understood that, I was like, oh my goodness,

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this is everywhere you find en Lil everywhere in the
ancient world. And that's huge.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Now, I'd love to share if I could share my screen.
I want to share something with you guys, so because
I'll tell you, you know, pictures are worth a thousand words, right,
so I want to share this right here. See if
I can't make that bigger, okay, So can you see that?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Okay, Yeah, I actually just threw it up on the
screen for everybody.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Sweet. Okay, So what you're looking at is a This
is an imprint of a cylinder seal. Right, you can
see it there on the left. It's a little piece
of stone that they would take and they would carve
in it this little scenario.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
So and you roll it on soft clay and it's
kind of like an ancient movie. This was like pretty
cool technology back in the day.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well, you see this woman standing on a beast. Right,
she's riding a beast? Hm, where do we hear about this?
This is twenty two hundred BC. Twenty two hundred BC, right,
and there's a woman riding a beast. Very fascinating. Well,
the woman was Inana or we'll get to her in

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a second. And the beast that she's riding that is
called the Onzu bird, but it's a depiction of Enlil
or Satan. But then there was sometimes a depiction of
Ninurta or Nimrod.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Which was it?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
And the answer is.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yes, right, all right, yeah, we're going to get to
all that. It's going to take a build up to
get there, I know.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah. And so this beast that she's on, you can't
see it super well here because it's such a small
cylinder seal. But in other depictions we can see very
clearly that this is a lion esque type creature. But
it has feathers, it has wings, it has poisoned coming
out of its mouth. The back talents, the back feet

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are talents eagles talents. Right, So this is a hybridized creature.
It's not just a lion. Now, this would later become well,
it takes on different forms throughout history. But this is
a form of Satan. Now, remember that in the Book
of Ezekiel it talks about the chair of Him and

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it talks about how they have four faces. One of
them is a lion, another's an eagle, one's a bull,
and one is a man. I think this is kind
of showing some of the different faces of satan, if
you will. But you know, that's another story. So so
this is twenty two hundred BC. The woman on Enlil

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is Eana. She's queen of Heaven. That's literally what Eana
means uh, And she's talked about in Jeremiah. Jeremiah talks
about the queen of Heaven that's Eana and later known
as ishtar ashtoit. The start various names, but once you
just trace them all back, you're like, oh, okay, this

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is this is just all kind of the same.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I'll show you another picture of the Azu bird so
we can get another another look at that. Can you
see this new one that I just shared, I cannot
yet know.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Okay's kind of interesting because when you look at what
the Onzu bird looks like, it's you can tell, definitely tell.
It's kind of like going to be the fore runner
to a dragon, right, you know, like a Gina's dragon
or like what we would think of dragon would look like.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Now, yeah, well, let me share this other one because
it's really.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I'll just pull it up really quick, all right.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
So, yeah, this is the Azu bird. So there you
can see with a whole lot more detail.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
And that's good.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I mean, it's yeah, eventually, eventually it's going to morph
into a more dragon. Yeah right, I mean yeah yeah.
And so if you look at the the Ish star Gate,
those are the gates from Neo Babylon. They're now in
a museum in Berlin, and I had the privilege of

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going and seeing them in person. I didn't quite realize
the significance of you know, I mean, I knew they
were a significant but I'm like, oh, well, and the
dragons and so kind of more dragon ish more lion.
Those are all on the Ish star Gate and they're
a red dragon by the way, And and okay I
got to show I got to share one more because well,

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you know, you know absolutely, because once you you can't it.
Yeah that right there is This is the god naergall
all right, And I don't want to get into all
the different names, because we don't have time to get
into all that. But Nargall was one of the one
of the gods, the of the dead on god of

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the underworld. But this is basically the same thing as
the Azu bird, all right, And so just over time
it just morphed a little bit. This one is a
little bit more horse features. But if you remember from
Revelation chapter nine, Revelation chapter nine, it talks about two
hundred million horsemen and it says the shape of the well,
it says two million locus, and then it says talking

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about the horsemen, like, wait, is it locus or is
it horses? And the answer is yeah, okay, well okay,
So so then there it has a scorpion's tail, it
has wings, it has a man's head, and then we
see that it has a lion's head. It has also
another tail with the head of a serpent. And you know,

(27:06):
I'm looking at this because this is both the fifth
trumpet and the sixth trumpet, I'm like, what kind of
creature is this? I just don't is it two creatures
or is it one creature? Because there's a whole lot
of similarities between them. But then there seemed to be
some key distinctions, like one has the tail of a scorpion,
then the other one has a tail with the head
of a serpent, right, so which one is it? Well?

(27:27):
I did something and I kind of overlaid them. I thought,
what if we just take the fifth trumpet and the
sixth trumpet and put them together, what kind of creature
would we get? And this is exactly the creature. It's
exactly right. And so this is from a Kudura stone
twelve hundred BC. This creature again, it has the wings,

(27:48):
just got the scorpion's tail, it has a serpent head. Fallus.
Right now, the word tail and fallus are exactly the
same word. Okay, just a little word to the wise.
And it's a little bit hard to see here, but
it has a man's head and it has a lion's head,
and it has a bow. I'm like, this is crazy.

(28:09):
It's all right there, you know, Like that's what's so
amazing about it is all of the stuff is in
the ancient world. So when we start talking about the
woman that rides the beast, it's in the ancient world.
We talk about this creature that's coming up out of
the abyss out of the underworld. It's in the ancient
world when we see the great red dragon that is

(28:31):
going to give his authority to the beast. This is
all from ancient history, right, and and that's why it's
so important to go back into ancient history because you know,
somebody was recently telling me, well, the Book of Revelation
is a book of symbols. I'm like, yeah, I know,
but our job is to decode the symbols. So if
how do we decode the symbols, we have to go

(28:52):
back and try to understand what those symbols meant in
their day. And you know, I mean, just to kind
of a case in point, when Jesus took the disciples
to Caesarya Philippi. Here's something that no good rabbi whatever, dear, Yeah, exactly.
He takes his disciples to Caesarya Philippi and he says

(29:13):
that the gates of Hades will not prevail. Now, in
Christian theology, a lot of people think that, oh, well,
you know, we're gonna take our swords and go to
the doors of Hades and we're going to bang them open,
and they're not gonna be able to withstand us. That's
not what it meant at all. They were expecting the
first century, the first century Jewish Apocalyptus, were expecting the

(29:37):
gates of Hades to fling wide open, and they were
expecting the creature that I just showed you. They're expecting
two hundred million hordes of these things to just come
flying out shooting their arrows. That's what they were expecting
in the first century. So it's like, oh, so, what
Jesus was actually doing is saying, hey, guys, that's not
going to happen right now. I know that that was

(29:59):
the plan. I know that's what Satan had in mind.
He was gonna he was going to open up the
gates of the Abyss. He was going to let out
these crazy creatures. And you know, it's not gonna happen.
I'm putting a cabash on this whole thing, right And
then Jesus goes to the top of the mountain. What's
the high mountain right next to Seesarreel of PHILIPI it's

(30:21):
mount here moun yeah, I mean, oh my goodness. And
so he goes up on top of this mountain, which
had been Satan's mountain since time almost since you know
time immemorial. Uh, and he I think I think he
was kind of pulling a fast one on Satan. I

(30:41):
think he was doing a misdirection. Was it was a decoy,
you know. And so Satan's thinking, oh, my goodness, the
Messiah has finally shown up. I've tested him. He's the
real deal. He clearly has power.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
This is it.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
We're gonna rumble. This is the one that is predicted
to crush my head. And I'm not too excited about it.
So I think Satan was mustering his forces. He was
getting ready. He was going to open up the gates
of the Abyss and probably try to overwhelm Messiah because
he thought, this is it, this is d Day, this
is Armageddon, this is it's coming. Right here we go

(31:17):
and Jesus like, Nope, not going to happen. But because
he needed Satan to do a few things, he takes
three of his disciples on a secret mission. They go
to the top of Mount Hermont. He says, don't tell
anybody about this until after the Sunman has resurrected, and
they're like, huh. And so they get up there. It's

(31:39):
quite a track to the top. It's nine thousand vertical.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Feet you have to climb. That's a lot. Yeah, that's
a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
And you know people here in Colorado they do fourteen ers,
but they all started like twelve they started. I mean,
you know, I've done it. It's still a massive track.
But you can do you know, you can do a
fourteener in I mean, you know, up and down. You
can probably do that about four or five hours, right,
depending on your speed. But you know, but nine thousand

(32:08):
feet that's a lot. And so he takes him up
to the top of Mount Hermon there, Moses, and you know,
I just show up and I think Satan's freaking out.
He's like, oh no, this is not good. All right,
I'm going to skit a little water. It is so much, right,
there's just so much in there is.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah. The other thing that you did in the book
that I was like, good, there's at least one other
person that's crazy like me that kind of thought the
same thing was one of the things that I as
I was reading and just been studying more, I started
to realize that during the Temptation, I fully believe as
to you, clearly after reading your book that you believe,
which makes a ton of sense. Why would Satan take

(32:50):
him anywhere else during the temptation the forty days in
the wilderness, right, it takes him to a high amount
and to oversee everything this whole kingdom can be yours.
Absolutely fully believe that was Mount Hermon, no doubt in
my mind about it. Yeah, And I think that's why
there's there's even an extra element of kind of knife diggings,

(33:11):
you know, antagonistic poking if you will, from Christ here,
because it's like, hey here I am, I'm back, and
I'm going to basically declare now where you brought me before.
I don't need to take your deal. I can just
do this myself and you're not going to be able
to stop me. Yeah, there's an interesting point too that.
Another thing about that is it's kind of I believe

(33:34):
it's at that particular point that he tells Satan to
get behind him, and which is exactly the exactly I
think if I remember scripture correctly, I believe that's the temptation,
which is exactly the exact same thing he says to Peter. Right.
You know, he says get behind me, Satan, because Peter
was trying to tell him, you know, you can't do
these things. You can't die. You can't do you know
all this? Yeah, yeahs at that same place.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, yeah, it's a really important point because what is
certainly the book of Luke. He says, he takes Jesus
up on top of the mountain. He says, you know, look,
all these kingdoms have been delivered to me, and I
can give them to whoever I want.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
So just.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I think Satan. You know, Satan is no idiot. He
is a smart dude.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, That's one of the things that I wanted to
circle back to because that's something that we don't typically
think about. We get enamored with the beauty and the
splendor of who he is, but it's the intelligence we
totally don't give him credit for. I won't give him
credit for anything, but I mean, we need to hold
her up against And the fact of the matter is
this entity is the most brilliant entity that you're ever

(34:36):
going to come into contact with, Right, I'm like, he's
he's it.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah. Well, and this is something that I share with
my congregation a lot. I'm like, you know, guys, it's
not about how good our theology is. Because the guy
that has the best theology, it's not me it's anybody
from you know, some fancy university. He doesn't have three PhDs.
It's Satan, right, Satan has perfect theology, fact theology. How

(35:01):
do I know that? Because he understands who God is
the best? But he just doesn't like God.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
That's that, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
He So he's he's no idiot. He's a smart guy.
And this is where I think we got to cue
the mission impossible music.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Right and on the board I could him for you.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Oh I want It'll be fine, I mean, because this
is where Jesus went on a secret mission. He had
to defeat death. All right, So let's let's go back
all the way back to the beginning, right, So again,
God makes planet Earth, he makes the cosmos. He of
course puts Satan in charge of this cosmos. He's the
the guy, the general manager. Okay, he's running the operations.

(35:45):
But he gives the company to his son, you know.
He gives the kingdom to his son Adam yea, and
and Satan is not happy just being general manager. He's like,
I want the whole thing, you know, And so he
quickly finds a way to take those keys that God

(36:06):
gave the keys of dominion to Adam and Eve, and
Satan's like, hey, can I have those keys? And Adam's like, sure,
here you go, right, And when he did that, he
fell into the state of death and decay, and so
he could never overcome that, and so Satan became the
god of death, the king of death. He's the king
of the underworld of death.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
And Hebrews tells us that Jesus had to become like
us so that he could defeat the one who had
the power over death that we were subject to all
our lives and we were afraid of. So Jesus had
to do that. But how do you get Satan to agree?
And this is what people don't think. They're like, well,
God's a lot stronger than Satan, right, Like, yes, so

(36:50):
why couldn't he just snap his fingers and undo this thing?
Because it was a legal issue, and for it to
be done justly, it has to be done legally. I
believe Satan is the biggest legalist you can possibly imagine.
He's standing on the word of God better than any

(37:12):
Baptist could ever. Do you know, he's probably singing the
song standing on the Word, you know, standing, you know,
he's standing on the word of God, because you know,
if God said it, that doesn't that's enough for me.
I don't need it thing more. And so when God
says to Adam, the day that you eat of this thing,
you will certainly die, well he was counting on that.

(37:34):
And how do you undo death? I mean, there's conceivably
no possible way that this could happen. But then shortly
thereafter God makes this prophecy. You know you're going to
crush his heel, and you know you're going to strike
his heel and he's going to crush your head. So
this has kind of been over Satan's head since the beginning.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
He's not happy about it.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
He finally sees that that the Messiah has come in
the form of Jesus. That's why he tests him to
see if he really is the real deal. It was
actually Michael, doctor Michael Heizer who who put it in
such eloquent language like that, and I totally agree with him.
And and so then he on top of the mountain,
he's just like, hey, hey, Jesus, I know why you're here.

(38:15):
You're here to save mankind, and you know you're here
to to let us all sing kumbay Yah again and
give us hope, give them hope. That's fine. We don't
have to fight about this. All this stuff has been
delivered to me. I'll give it to you, no problem.
I just have this one tiny little request, you know,
just this tiny little request, just just just bought out,

(38:37):
you know.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Just bend the knee.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, just bend the knee and it's all yours. Okay,
no questions asked, Just bend the knee and it's yours.
And I think theoretically Jesus could have taken that deal.
Had he done that, we'd all be singing kumbbah yah,
we'd be having this wonderful.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Utopia on planet Earth.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
But there's still be one little problem. That death. Even
if it were forestalled, right, if we could delay it
by centuries and maybe even millennia, it would still be
over us. There would still be the price that had
not been paid that would somehow get us in the end,
and Satan would still be the king over this world.

(39:19):
So in order to defeat him, defeat the authority of Satan.
And this is in the ancient world, it was known
as the tablet of destinies. That's why it's so interesting
to study the ancient record. So remember Satan or Enlil
is the one who separated heaven and Earth, and it
was Anu, the creator God. Onu means heaven, So honor

(39:42):
the creator, heavenly God. He takes heaven and Satan takes
he takes earth. So of course we have the flood.
We're going to fast forward past all of that because
that's in a different book, but in book one. But
so the flood happens, the Nephelem are wiped out. But

(40:06):
then it says there were Nephlin on the earth in
those days and also afterward, also afterward, And I was like,
that's a really important word right there, also afterwards, but
it doesn't really give us a lot of description. And
then the next big thing that happens in Genesis one
two eleven is well, the Tower of Babel. Hmmm, and

(40:29):
who establishes the Tower of Babel. Well this guy named Nimrod,
and it says that Nimrod was a mighty hunter before
the Lord. Now Nimrod's name means let's rebel. I just
can't imagine any parents. What should we call him?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Honey?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
How about little rebel?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You know, I mean that's.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
It'd be great.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah. Yeah, So I think it's much more of an
epithet than it is a name. Are you know, the
Bible doesn't always give proper names, but it gives epithets
of what this person is like. With this character is like,
and he was definitely the rebel. Now, when we take
the root letters of Nimrod, it's memal. Memorial means mahrad

(41:11):
means to rebel. But what we find is this name
is all over the place. We find it in Marduke.
We find it in Martu, the god of the Amorites,
where God says to Abraham, know that your descendants will
be slaves, and then the fourth generation, I'll take them
out because the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.

(41:32):
And the god of the Amorites was Martu. That Martu
also translates into the god Mars or Marthes in Espanol.
We have also we get the word murder from that
same rout. We find Mahrad all over the place. This

(41:55):
is in Akkadian. He was known as Ninurta, nin Urta,
which means lord of the earth. Urta means earth. It's
the same word in Hebrew. It's it's actually the same
word as earth. It's I mean, it's it's all just related.
It's kind of wild. And then the word nin is
related to like Enlil, it means which means lord wind.

(42:18):
It's related to Inana, which means queen of heaven. So
and it's also related to Enki, which means lord of
the earth. That's in Sumerian. In Akkadian it was nin Urta.
He was the lord of the earth. And I think
the Bible is saying, nah, you're not the lord of
the earth. You're actually just this rebel guy, you know.

(42:40):
And what's what's wild about this is, you know, again
we're talking as time goes on that these these these
myths and traditions of what was going on, it kind
of progresses. So Enlil, you know, he takes the tablet
of destinies, he takes it from Anu, and then over

(43:01):
time he's going to eventually give this to his son Ninurta.
And I'm like, well, that's interesting. And I also came
across some scholars, so this isn't Doug making this up.
This is other scholars who you know, are experts in
Akkadian Sumerian. They're like, nine, Noorta is in fact Nimrod.
I'm like, well, that's pretty interesting. So Ninurta and Nimrod

(43:25):
exactly the same person. According to the ancient Mesopotamian texts,
ed Lil gave the tablet of destinies to Ninurta. Like hmm, okay.
So in the Bible, it doesn't give us the whole story,
but it gives us clues. We know that that Nimrod

(43:45):
went and built a bunch of cities, right klnay and
or he also built, of course, the first one nim Babylon,
excuse me, so or Babel and and he of course,
then they built a tower at this place called Babel.
What does Babel mean? Bob El or Babel? It means
the gate of the gods, gated the gods. You're like, oh, okay,

(44:08):
so the gate of the gods. Well, what does a
gate for? Well, it's a passageway, right, It's a passageway
between two different places. So if they're going to build
a gate to the gods, then this is going to
be some kind of a passageway. I actually believe that
the Tower of Babble was some type of technology. It
wasn't just a tall building. It was a piece of technology.

(44:30):
A stargate if you will so that the beings from
the other side could come to this side. Now why
would they need that, Well, I think something happened during
the or you know, after the flood that well I
would even go back to creation or not creation, but
the fall. When Adam and Eve sinned, there was some

(44:52):
kind of a veil between heaven and Earth that came
into existence. And that veil, this membrane, the cosmic curtain,
call it what you want. It began to exist to
protect mankind from the fire of God. But it also
limited the malevolent angels, the fallen angels, from just manifesting

(45:15):
any old time that they felt like it. And so
that's a real benefit to us, you know, because if
they could just show up any old time do whatever
they wanted, well, that might kind of create some prompts.
So so anyway, after the flood, I think Satan was
quite limited and he was trying to find a way

(45:38):
to continue to have that communication, that that exchange between
humans and the gods, you know, the fallen angels. And
so this this tower became that nexus point. And in
the ancient literature we hear that that that that these

(45:58):
these step pyramids right were they were called the bridge
between heaven and Earth. They were called the connection between
Heaven and Earth. There was also an epithet that Enlil
used of himself that he was the connection point. But
you know, so that's what these ziggurats were representing. Nobody

(46:18):
thought that they were going to build a tower tall enough, and.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Then they got right, it's not about some magically tall building,
which read when you read scripture, that's kind of the
way for us. And like again twenty first century Western
you know, Christianity, it's like, oh, they were building these
really tall buildings, and God's like, oh, they can build
tall buildings. Man, nothing's going to stop them now, so
let me go take care of that. It's so far
more complex than that.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, and they didn't think they were going to hit
the touch the sky or something like that. Yeah, they
understood what they were doing. They understood that this was
advanced technology and they were trying to create some kind
of a portal between heaven and Earth. And you know
what's amazing is that this guy, Jacob, he goes for
a walk running from his brother and he finds this
place called bait Ed of the House of God, and

(47:03):
then he has this dream and he sees angels ascending
and descending on this ladder, and then later a couple
thousand years later, Jesus shows up and says, hey, you know,
you think that was impressive, Wait till you see the
Son of Man that angels are going to ascend and
descend on the Son of Man. So Jesus is saying, no, no, no,
I am the connection between Heaven and Earth. Yeah, you know,

(47:24):
so like you when you start to see the counterfeit
and like how counterfeit it really was. And then finally
the King of Kings comes along and says, no, guys, look,
all of that is counterfeit. I'm the real deal. I'm
the one that allows you to have communication between Heaven
and Earth. Don't find it in babble in any way,
shape or form. So you know, again, there's just all

(47:48):
these little things that you start putting two and two together,
You're like, wow, that's just phenomenal, right, just no phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
One of the other things that I do want to
go back a little bit before the flood. And if
you guys are enjoying this again, I can't recommend this
book highly enough. This is from Doug's second Corrupting the
Image book. There's three in the series. I encourage you
to eat all three. But we're talking really today about
some stuff and corrupting the image too, which is just
a fantastic reed. So you can scan the QR coneage
screen or go to the tfh TFHC dot com and
click on guests and you click on the dugs tab

(48:17):
and you'll see these books there. But I would I
want to go back pre flood because this is kind
of when we get to Nimrod, and this was really
interesting that you laid it out this way that I
really enjoyed. You know, Satan, Okay, we've tricked at him
and even the garden. Now what right now, how do
we continue this corruption and this because we know right

(48:37):
God's laid down the gauntlet, we're going to have the
there's going to be a seed that's going to come
right and it's going to be a threat to me
so and my dominion over this place. So what am
I going to do to pick up my war you
know path now and further the game? And one of
the first things that we see because by the time
we get to Nimrod, Nimrod's almost like Plan B. Right

(49:00):
before we get to Nimrod plan a, which I'd never
really thought of it from this perspective because we always
think of it as a standalone event in Genesis six
with the Watchers, is he's behind this too. And one
of the most fascinating things that you did in the book,
and again linguistically, it was a perfect example of you know,
you would kind of mentioned before we hit record about

(49:22):
you know, it's one thing to just kind of throw
theories out there, but what are we going to do
to back this up? You know, almost like you said,
you use a great example of like trying this in
a case, you know, in a court of law. How
would we back this up with evidence? Right? And one
of the things that you presented forth was that Satan
is actually the one that is behind the decision that

(49:42):
we see in Genesis six of the Watchers to do
this deed, that they have taken an oath in order
to do this on Mount Hermone, you know, have intercourse
with women create this offspring progeny that is not of
you know, Earth, it's not of Heaven. It's this hybrid
that is not going to be soul driven right as

(50:04):
we would know it from a human to a human
and so I just kind of want to spend a
quick minute just kind of diving into plan A, because
this is his first kind of plan after the Garden
to further corrupt things, and I just want to dive
into that for a quick second. And the talk about
what we know of on Mount Hermone and the tablet

(50:25):
that we have found in the temple on Mount Hermone
that speaks to this event. So if you would feel.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Free, absolutely, yeah, you're you're You're summarizing, and I start
thinking of all these connections. And I'm also I really
enjoy Lord of the Rings, which is kind of good.
I really appreciate how Tolkien talks about morgoth A, right,
so Moregoth is before saw run and he was the
one that really corrupted the planet. He kind of sewed

(50:54):
himself into planet Earth, if you will, and it just
corrupted everything and and and it's such a great analogy.
And I really think that's what the Bible is talking about.
The language isn't quite as cool as Tolkien, right, but
and you gotta do a whole lot more digging. But
it's basically this same scenario, right, So let's think of
what is Satan's ultimate goal? Well, I think it's to

(51:16):
be king over the Earth forever. And you know, he's
happy to have a stalemate otherwise with God, Like you know, okay,
you could have heaven urifying, but I get Earth, and
that seemed to be pretty amazing. Like he tricked Adam
and Eve, he got the keys of Hades, and he

(51:38):
got the Tablet of Destinies, which I think is the
tablet in Revelation chapter five. He did all that he
tricked mankind, and it was based on authority and then
what he wanted to continue to do because there was
this prophecy that there's gonna be this seed of the
Woman who's going to crush his head. And that's why

(52:01):
I think he was so gung ho on trying to
corrupt mankind, because if the seed of the woman who
needed to be a pure human, not a perfect person,
but a pure human anyway, genetically speaking, if he could
corrupt that seed, then it would seem that there would
be no way that God could fulfill the prophecy. And

(52:25):
I talk about that at length and Corrupting the Image
Volume one. For those that are interested. I go into
lots and lots of detail about the genetics and all
that stuff. You know, really fun stuff, so that I
started thinking about it even more in book two because
I'm like, Okay, what would be like? How would he
do this? As far as I can tell, this veil

(52:46):
between heaven and Earth really limits any bad, malevolent beings
from just passing through any time, willy nilly, whenever they
feel like it. So how is it that the the
angels came down the bane lu him? How do they
come down and mate with women? So what I suggest

(53:07):
is that when they came down, they were not yet fallen,
Like when Satan went into the garden. He definitely had
evil in his heart, no question about it, but he
had not pulled the trigger yet. I liken it to
minority report, where you can get in trouble for a
future crime.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, and you said that in the book too, I remember.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, But in God's economy, you got to get to
do the crime before you do the time, you know,
and you don't get in trouble for something you haven't done.
You've only thought about it, but you haven't done it.
So to use the analogy, Satan goes into the garden.
He's got the gun, it's fully loaded. He intends on
pulling the trigger, but he hasn't pulled the trigger yet,

(53:49):
and I don't think that he was actually a fallen
angel at that point. And it would explain why Adam
and Eve when they saw this Nahash, this snake, they
weren't freaking out. Oh no, a talking snake. You know,
whoever could this be? Maybe we shouldn't take advice from him?
This really sounds bad, but this was the trusted vizier,

(54:13):
the general manager, the prime minister of God's entire kingdom.
They knew him. They weren't surprised by him. They're like, oh,
it do and they trusted him. And I think that's
why it was so easy to deceive them, because they
trusted him. And they're like, well, okay, I mean you're

(54:35):
saying that God said this or that the other. I
mean sure, okay, I mean now, and of course it
wasn't what God said, but you know that whole thing
of twisting, etc. So so then once once he starts
having these these two hundred or however many it was
that came down, they were trying to now create or

(54:58):
recreate humanity in this your own image. And this is
where we come back to Mount Hermon. So mount Hermon
Hermon means it's basically an imprecation. An imprecation is that
you are taking a curse. You're putting a curse upon yourself.
If you don't fulfill an obligation, right, may this happen
to me? And more so if I do not fulfill

(55:18):
my vow. That was kind of the ancient formula for
an imprecation. And so this mountain was known as Mount Hermon.
Herem it means to curse yourself, and it was known
by that name as far back as we can possibly go.
And on top of Mount hermange I know that this

(55:43):
steely was found. So steely is often it's made of stone,
of some sort of limestone or something. It's still very heavy,
but it has an important message on it. And it
was found at the top of Mount Hermon. Again, that's
and some feet. That's a long way up to carry
a piece of rock. And there was this little temple

(56:03):
up there and in this on this on this steely,
it had this inscription.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Now I'm gonna pull this up while you're talking, Doug,
just so everybody can see.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, go for it. I kept hearing about this inscription.
George Nicholsberg of Harvard is one who talked about it,
great scholar. He was talking about this, and I thought,
this thing has got to be significant. But the way
it was translated did not make sense to me because
it said, according to the command of the Great and
Holy God, those taking an oath proceed from here. And

(56:38):
I'm like, wait, why would these angels who did something bad,
why would they take an oath according to the Great
and Holy God? Right, I mean, why would they take
an oath in the name of Jehovah? I mean, Yehovah
doesn't want them to do this. He judges them quite
severely for what they do, so why would they take

(56:59):
an oath in his So I thought, okay, I need
to look at this thing. So I found it on
you know, the British Museum website. There it is you
can actually see this thing. Yeah, and I'm looking at it.
It's in all oon seals for those who are, you know,
kind of geeky as well, so it's all caps basically,
and I'm reading this thing. I'm like, this doesn't make
any sense. It doesn't say what they say. It says

(57:23):
all right, and so I'm looking according to the command
of the Great That's where we got as far as
that that far. But I'm like, but then it doesn't
make any sense. It's actually said bo batios and I'm like,
what is bo botu?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
And I'm just staring at these words. I eventually figured
out that bow is a Greek prefix. It means bull
or ox. I'm like, okay, but that has been translated
as you know, great and holy. I'm like, yeah, not quite.
But the other word, which uh doctor George Nicholsberg Charles Warren,

(57:58):
who actually found this steely the British Museum, they all
translated as holy and I'm like no, so I you know.
Of course, I ask another friend who's also a Greek scholar,
and I'm like, am I seeing things or you know,
because it doesn't look like hagios to me. This is
not the word hagios. He's like, no, it's definitely not

(58:18):
the word hagios. It's the word bought to you. I'm like, okay,
I'm like, thank you. So I'm looking at every Greek
lexicon I can I can possibly think of. It just
is not a Greek word. That's just the bottom line, right,
you know. So I'm scratching my head. I really didn't
expect to get into this huge study of this word
like it it's altaly took me by surprise. I you know,

(58:40):
sometimes you get into research, you kind of have an
idea of where you're going to go, and there's always
a couple of surprises.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
But it's not funny because for me as a reader,
that was one of the that was one of the
coolest parts of you of the book. It just kind
of it was one of those things where it's like
that makes a ton of sense.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah, but I tell you, I was pulling my hair out.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Man, it's funny. You did a great job because I.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Was just like, it's like, this doesn't make any sense.
It makes sense of it. Let me share my screen.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I'm gonna share two different inscriptions on how they both
tried to translate and they got it wrong. Right right.
I'll stop sharing mind, so you can share yours. Feel free. Okay,
you've got it there.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah. So yeah, in redd it says bo. That's the
Greek word bo. That probably means bowl or ox. I'm like, okay,
I can deal with that. But the one in the
black square bought you. That is not the word hagios
or hog you. And no matter how I tried to
look at it, sideways upside down. I'm like, there's that
just doesn't say that. So I find this word and

(59:41):
I'm like, it's not Greek.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
What do I do with it?

Speaker 1 (59:43):
And now at the same time I'm studying about I'm
studying about Enlil, I'm studying about, you know, all these
different things. And so in in a Kadian or well
Acadian and Sumerian, there was always known as a logo gram.
A logo gram was kind of like a cartoon sh
If you're familiar with ptology, you know each.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Stargate, you'll know what the cartouche is there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
It's kind of like the Nike swoosh. Right, it's your
it's your logo. So you know, so important people and
specific uh you know, deities and whatnot had their own
logo gram. So en Lil's logo gram and I well,
it's basically just two arrows kind of pointing at each other.

(01:00:26):
It's quite simple actually, and it's uh in its origin.
But the way you would pronounce it, the way you
would what you would call the symbol, it's kind of
like the golden arches, right, the golden arches sounds nothing
like McDonald's, but but that's what the symbol is that's
the golden arches, you know. And and the the swoosh

(01:00:47):
doesn't sound like Nike, but that's what it is. It's
a swoosh. So the name of the logo gram was
BOD B A D and the way you'd pronounce it
was uh was something different okay that was it was okay,

(01:01:07):
which meant death. I'm like death, that means death. That's crazy.
And so BOD is the name of this symbol. So
I'm looking at this is this thing. I'm coming up
with this hypothesis. And so I reached out to a
guy out of Finland, and I thought, am I crazy?
Or could this be possible? And so he says to me,
He's like, no, Actually, you're you're on track. Because there

(01:01:31):
was a profession known as a horror respects, which was
a liver seer. Yeah, that was a thing back then.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
They would they would they would take a liver from
a sheep or something and cut it open, and then
the horror respects the liver seer would would tell you.
They tell the king, yes, you should go into battle
because by examining this liver, I can tell your future
that you're going to come out successful or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I mean, it's quite crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
But this had this had been a this this profession
had been imported into the Italian Peninsula. And so we
find this thing. Why am I talking about the Italian
Peninsula because I found this word bought to you from
the and I and I found an inscription in the

(01:02:20):
Italian peninsula. I found it on Mount Hermone, and I
found it in the Italian peninsula. There was Jupiter Batios
or Jupiter Batios. Okay, so I'm like, okay, this is
really weird. In the Messapien language. All I know too many,
too many details, but it's hard to unthread.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
It all together. Yeah, yeah, no, there's it's complex because
and when you read the book, you know you did,
like I said, you did a really good job with this,
because you can't just go in there and just shoot
off what you think it means. You got to, like
you said, you got to provide the backstory to it,
or it's gonna it's just going to get tossed out, right,
They're going to streategy and they're going to throw you
to the side. So you had to provide the evidence
on how you got there. But the other thing, too,

(01:03:01):
is it continues the thread of the book because one
of the things that's important about the book is you
need to understand. You do a good job of setting
this up in the beginning, and it carries through the
whole book. The thread is understanding these other languages and
how it all connects together just by different names. Right,
the story's exactly the same. Yeah, it's just the language differences.

(01:03:24):
And this is a perfect example of that. So sorry,
I didn't mean to interrupt you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
No, thank you for summarizing it, because he said it
really well. Yeah, like that was the thing. I kept
finding Satan by a ton of different names. And once
you understand that all these other names are either Satan
himself or it's a knockoff on Nimrod, like your mind

(01:03:47):
is blown.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
And then you go to the book a Relation, and
it talks about the Beast who was in the Abyss,
which is the underworld, and he's going to come out
of the underworld, out of the Abyss, and he's going
to all the two witnesses and then the Dragon and
little Satan is going to give the beasts his power
thrown an authority. You're like, oh my goodness. And then
there's this woman that's writing, a beast that shows up.

(01:04:12):
It's I mean this, we've been here before, We've seen
all these things. It's not new. And so the way
to decode the Book of Revelation is to go into
the ancient world. Yeah, and understand what these symbols actually meant.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah. What makes it even more difficult, because I think
you kind of ran into this in this particular case,
is you now have cultures that are colliding together and
are mashing language together, which makes it even tougher because
then you're kind of creating things that aren't necessarily found
before and it's the first time. So that's definitely when
you when you see this, this inscription of the stone,

(01:04:47):
that's that's kind of where you wound up. I know.
So please please finish explaining.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yeah, well no, absolutely so. So I find this word
again the way the way they would say the logogram
was ug But the name of the logogram, just like
the golden arches. What I see when I see the
golden arches, I don't think, oh, golden arches. I think
McDonald's right, But but I know the name that Golden arches.

(01:05:14):
And that's so the same thing with this logogram. When
you saw it, you said, oh, oug, and you thought
this is enlil Ug means death, and then of course
you thought but then the name of it was actually bad.
So long story short, and I get confirmation that this
actually could be a loanword that's from Sumerian and it

(01:05:36):
and so now the translation becomes by the by the
decree of the Great Greatness personified Bull God Batios, those
taking an oath proceed from here. And it's like, oh,
that just drives it home, because yeah, it wasn't It

(01:05:57):
wasn't just some random thing that these aims are like, Hey,
I got this idea, why don't we just go try this?
Now it ties it directly back to Satan, and you know,
he's been the mastermind over these things the whole time.
And I think that's really important, you know. I mean,
it's not just some some renegade group of angels or
like let's let's try it, see what happened, right, No,

(01:06:20):
he's got he's got a kingdom, you know. And sometimes
I hear these comments from other commentators they're like, oh,
there's there's all these other guys in they're fighting against
one another, and I'm like, yeah, I mean I've got
a fellow scholar. He's he's a good friend of mine
and we've both done some research on this, and he
kind of introduced this other god that has all the

(01:06:44):
amazing Satan powers, and I'm like, well, why not just
make it Satan? Like, just take those man, because the
way the Bible describes Satan is, you know, again, he's
perfect in beauty, full of wisdom. You know, he's a
perfect standard of all things it's describing him. So why
not just let him be him? And he's the one

(01:07:05):
who is really running the show. He has lots of generals, Yes,
he's got lieutenant's and captains, yeah, all that stuff, but
he's the one who's in charge of well, Satan's kingdom.
And the Bible makes it very clear that Satan and
his angels, you know, he's the one who's in charge
of this, not some other dude who's vying for power.

(01:07:27):
I just I just don't see that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
And no matter what we call the puppet Master, when
we pull the curtain back, yep, it's the same thing.
It's the same entity, and it's him. Yeah. Yeah, that
was a fresh take that I'd never thought for because
you know, like you digging into this and I've kind
of reverse engineered, you know, my whole faith growing up
Baptist too, and then starting to get in Genesis six
and diving in and then that's the launch point and

(01:07:49):
then you get in there. But then that cracks the
door open for all this other study and then you
get into all these different things. Right, That's like they
gave the gateway opens up and you start to dive in.
And it's funny because as you read this and you
and you kind of talk about Satan's powers about midway
through the book, you know, because we don't think of
him that way either. That's another thing. We don't think
of all the all the things that he's actually capable

(01:08:10):
of doing. It's kind of frightening, actually, you know, you
see him torturing people and you know, all these telekinetic powers,
and it's just and it's true. You know, we think
of that and it's just kind of ridiculous, but it's
actually true when you think about it, and there are
clear cut examples that you provide in the book for
each one of those, you know, and we don't think
of that. But ultimately, you know, he's the one that's

(01:08:32):
behind this event, and that made a ton of sense
to me, and it always kind of had to be
the case. I'm like, I just don't see how these
these angels just kind of decided on their own, because
that's kind of what you get, you know, you see
the lustful portion of it, and you think, okay, that's
what Snooker do him and pull pulled him in. And
I think that was a factor, no doubt. But I

(01:08:52):
think Satan was definitely there, you know, going, hey, she
looks pretty good, doesn't she. You know, imagine what she
could have and it makes a ton of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I just don't think it was
that they wanted to have families and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
No, it just doesn't make sense, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
I think I think they're they're a real agenda hasn't changed,
and that is to secure their power. You know, whether
they enjoys the they whether they enjoy the pleasures of
the flesh, I don't know. I think that's rather secondary
to their main cause, which is we have to cement
our power and we can become gods as it were.
We can be worshiped by humanity and we don't have

(01:09:33):
to submit to, you know, the king of kings decrees.
We can we can do our own thing and instead
of serving these humans, they can serve us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yeah. I think one other final straw that I kind
of saw in here too, and I had written this
down to ask you, but we're kind of naturally getting
it out there, and the conversation has evolved anyway, and
I think we see this. I think we see this,
get your take, but it seems this way with in
both instances with say and this I think was a
big point of contention. And I also think for the

(01:10:06):
Watchers deciding to go along with this plan, this was
probably a big point of contention too, because it is
referenced so heavily. Is you know, here we have, especially
in the Satan's case, you have the supreme entity, you know,
that has been given all of these powers, and we
are definitely seemingly lesser in his eyes. And then God
goes one further and goes and you know what, you
can create and make more of you. And I think

(01:10:28):
for him, and I think for the Watchers, that had
to be really a nail in the side of their head,
you know what I mean? That just that was no
I think that had to be for me anyway. I
don't get like I said, to get your take just
had to be just one of the final nails in
the coffin of like, yeah, no, okay, this isn't cool.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
No, I think you're absolutely right, you know, when you
kind of put it in those and we call it
pro creation, right that it's they get to participate in creation.
As far as we can tell, I mean, I'm not
one hundred percent certain, but it doesn't seem that the
angels had any role in creation other than observing it,

(01:11:10):
clapping for God and like you're awesome. And then they
got assigned to portions of creation, like they were over
a certain dominion, you know, over this part of the
earth and that part of the earth. So they got
to they got to facilitate.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Some of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
But but as far as actually creating something, and it
is quite something. I mean, you know, procreation is quite
normal and natural. It's not like we don't think of
it as miraculous because it's so ubiquitous, but but it
is miraculous. It is you know, that God would that
he would imbue that that possibility in us that we

(01:11:47):
could then create, you know, little ones of our own nature.
And when you start having your own little ones, you're
like Wow, this is really a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
You know, it's amazing, it's weird to see. It creates,
it creates a bond you cannot explain to someone who
has not had a child. When you when you're in
the emergency room and this is happening the first time.
That's why you're just overcome with Like for me, it's
just this wave of emotion that you cannot explain to
someone who has not had to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, absolutely, because it's it's your face looking back at you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, and that's that's honestly. That's a great segue into
something else I had written down but kind of about later,
which kind of ties into what we're talking about with
this hybridization program, you know, and corrupting all of this,
right because that's what he wants to do. He wants
to corrupt all this and you you laid it out
perfectly earlier, but you had talked about kind of I
guess it's about third of the way of the book

(01:12:39):
from when I had written down. But the concepts of
where a soul actually comes from m you know, and
it's perfect for what we're talking about right now. So please,
you know, dive into what you would you would kind
of discuss there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah. So there's a couple of different theories.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
One is the creation model that God creates ex nilo,
He creates a new soul every time, you know, like
the mother and father, you know, they they come together
and they create the body and then God puts a
new soul in it. That's that's one theory. The other, well,
that I subscribe to, is called the tranditionans theory, which

(01:13:15):
is there's a transmission. I kind of liken it to
you sour dough bread that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah, you did that in the book too. That was good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
You have to have kind of this little little pinch
from the starter and then you put that in the
new dough, you know. So I would I would argue
that we get our soul not from God directly, but
we get it indirectly via our parents. And you know,
so just a little bit of their soul is broken
into the into the mold, you know, and then it's

(01:13:44):
all mixed up and outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
How would I come?

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
You know, so I get a little bit of my
mother's soul, a bit of my dad's soul, and boof
here I am. Now what is a soul? I don't
know exactly, but it's that immaterial part of you that
makes you you right and beyond that I can really
say exactly what that is. But the the origin of
that is ultimately from Adam, which is ultimately from God.

(01:14:08):
So we all share in that that little bit of soul.
And when and I talk about this encrrept Image Volume one,
I talk about the genetics of the incarnation, this is
something that blew my mind. So why did Jesus have
to be born of a virgin? I mean, what's the
big deal?

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
After all? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Yeah, now we know, you know, we know all the theology,
theology this has had to this like, okay, but why
tell me why? I am I know what it says,
I believe it, but why why did God have to
do it this way? And what it came down to
was that a every man on planet Earth has an

(01:14:52):
identical copy of atom's Y chromosome. That's not most are
not my words, you can look it up. It's Bradman
and Thomas. They talk about this and why why the
evolution of the y criminosom the human y chrominism And
they say this right, so that every human that's ever
lived has a identical copy of Adam's y chromosom. And

(01:15:14):
then they go on to say that something happened in
the life of the original man that had the y
criminism and I'm like, wait, okay, So and they say,
there's a record of an event that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Wait for it, wait for it. Here it comes a
record of an event.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
What could the event be? You know? Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, what could this record? And of course what
they're saying is that this hy chromosome is kind of
messed up. It's it's losing data. I'm like, so, something
something happened to it, some you know, big event corrupted it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
So corrupt the image right there?

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
What could it be that corrupted this hy chromism? I
don't know, right, And so who was the one person
who did not have Atom's y chromosome?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Jesus right, it makes a ton of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Right again, just mind blown right at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
And that's the perfect fifty to fifty division, right, because
we accept the fact that he was both God and human,
and that makes that makes so much more sense because
when you look at and the Bible goes to great
links to preserve lineage for a reason, and when you
go dig into Christ's lineage, right, his backstory of who

(01:16:30):
he comes from. It is not pretty. You know, we
have rape, incest, murder. I mean, we have everything you
can imagine that is in the back of the DNA
right through all the ancestry there, and that's not by happenstance.
And then we have the perfect that's provided from God

(01:16:51):
on the other side. And it makes a ton of sense.
And I can tell you that just personally. My wife
had two boys and their father passed away when they
were very young. And there are things that those boys
will do that they there's no way that they, you know,

(01:17:12):
ever saw their father do that are identical to how
he would do. Things that goes beyond like genetics, right,
it's something deeper than that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
It's called epigenetics. Actually epigenetics. Yeah, so you know, our
genes are they're accountable for our hair color, our eyes,
how high we are, tall, we are, et cetera. Right,
so those those very physical characteristics are from our genes.
But epigenetics are the the habits, the customs, you know,

(01:17:47):
the good and the bad things that we've learned as people.
And then so let's say, you know, so two musicians
get married and then they have a child, their child
is more likely, not absolutely, but more likely going to
be a musician because of epigenetics, because of things traits

(01:18:11):
that have been acquired over the lifetime of the parents,
because they studied, you know, they studied music and they
really became good at music. That actually gets embedded on
top of our genes and then that can be passed
on genetically or epigenetically. It really is. And I think
when God talks about that he's going to judge to

(01:18:32):
the third and fourth generation, I think she think what
he's talking about is he's going to limit the amount
of damage that can be done to the third and
fourth generation because it's passed on epigenetically. When people talk
about that there's a curse on my family tree, and
I'm like, yeah, I don't know that so much that
God has cursed to you, But it's just that because

(01:18:53):
you know, great grandfather was an alcoholic, well then your
grandfather was likely to be an alcoholic, and he was,
and your grandfather and then your dad and then you know,
but with each subsequent generation, it becomes less and less
epigenetic of what's passed on epigenetically. And we just understand
that from Mendel. You know how you know less of

(01:19:14):
the thing is, whatever that trait is. You know, with
every subsequent generation there's a little bit less of that
trait that is going to be there. So this really
helped me because I wrestled with the whole concept of
original sin. You know, if you listened to the Catholic
Church and the Baptist by the way, you would think
that original sin was some moral stain that I inherited

(01:19:37):
just by virtue of being born. And I'm going to
be condemned to hell because well, I inherited this, this
morally bankrupt, sinful nature from people, and I'm just doomed.
When I really think what it's talking about is genetically,
I'm just messed up. You know, I'm a copy of
a copy of a copy, and there are errors in

(01:19:59):
our code, and with every subsequent generation we have a
couple more errors that are introduced, until eventually, you know,
we're all just totally messed up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
The decaying and the promise that we would eventually only
live one hundred and twenty years. Yeah, and I think
the same thing has been done to the earth. Would
you agree with that too.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I would agree, Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, and now
because I have a messed up genetic code, then what
Paul talks about, you know, the desires of the flesh
and the because of the flesh. It's again, if we
take it out of this spiritual the spirituality stuff where
it's all ethereal and you can't really understand it, and

(01:20:38):
you just put it into basic genetics, you're like, oh, okay,
I'm fallen, which means that my code is screwed up,
which means that I am now going to die. And
so now there are natural hungers that my body takes
on because I thirst. I hunger right and I and
my body is literally falling apart and so and to

(01:21:01):
counter that, I have to then do things to counter
this death, literal death that's in me, this degeneration, decay,
falling apartments, whatever you want to call it. The body
is saying, hey, we got to take care of some
stuff here. And then because of these hungers and desires,
now I'm more likely to do things that are not

(01:21:24):
great toward my knaghbor.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
I instantly when you said I thirst, I instantly thought
of Christ on the Cross when you said that. And
it's funny that you said what you did in the
follow up too about sinning, because here they what do
they do? They give him the wine vinegar on the
sponge and stick it in his mouth and he spits
it out. Right. It just is an interesting thing that

(01:21:46):
you just said there that I instantly thought of that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Yeah. Well, and speaking of Christ on the cross, right,
so kind of getting back into cryptan image Vol.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Two.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Yeah, so say.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
I get another segue. We're going to take here on
the DNA raw after after you go here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
So okay, Well, so so we talked about Batios but
also another name for Mount Hermone was Bashan. Yeah, and
there was there was a god or a really tall
giant known named as king Og and in Sue Marian
his name was Oog Death and according to ugarritic texts,

(01:22:25):
the god of Mount Hermone was the god of death
and right and he also had headquarters and ashtorts and
exactly what the Bible says about King Og, who probably
stood around fifteen feet tall something like that. And no,
So then I well, okay, I got all these cool things, right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Know, right, I said what I did. Man, this could
be like a fifty five part show. You made it hard, dude,
But it's good stuff because it does. It's and it's
so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
It's such a beautiful thing when when you get to
you know, get to especially with another brother. That's been
such a blessing today to dive in and start to
peel back the layers of the onion. But the funny
thing is like there's there's no core to the onion. Yeah,
it just has layer after layer after layer.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
I got to just stop this book because yeah, you probably,
like you said, like you know, having just sat down
myself and started writing a book, I did exactly what
you did. I can just see it, man, I can
if I've experienced it. I started to write and I
wanted to talk about this particular topic, which was like
the afterlife. But how do you how do you properly
do that without getting into a lot of what we're
talking about, right, You can't. It's like it's impossible because

(01:23:37):
what you're getting ready to go with Christ, you know,
is a whole nother show right about the descent into
the after afterward, you know, underworld shield. That's the whole
thing that we don't understand nowadays in the church. The
whole whole thing, Like I said, that's a whole nother show.
But I'm sorry made interrupt you, so please please continue.
Not at all, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Well, I was just going to say in in the
Book of in Psalms, right, it's the song twenty two
where he's says, you know, Elili Lani, my god, my God,
why did you were you forsaken me? And then now
says that he was. He says many bulls, which is
which is the word like spiritual bulls. It's not just

(01:24:16):
cows or you know, but it's actually it's a reference
to to spiritual bull or ox like beings. And it says,
many bulls of Bashan have surrounded me. And you're like, wait,
what's he talking about? And what I think is happening
is because Mount Hermone was also known as Mount Bashan

(01:24:38):
in Psalm sixty eight, and it's in Psalm sixty eight
where it says this is the mountain that the Lord
has desired, and you know, this is now his, and
so I think he was reclaiming it when he did
the transfiguration. Satan freaked out. He's like, oh, no, I've
got to make sure this guy dies.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
B Yeah, you guys to go, you gotta go.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
And so then Satan personally oversaw the betrayal of Jesus.
He says he entered into Judas he became known as
the son of Perdition, and he made sure Jesus was
put on the cross, and in the Book of Psalms
says that many bulls of surrounding me, like then they

(01:25:22):
gape at me with their mouths like like lions. You're like, wait,
when did that ever happen? This was happening in the
spiritual realm? I agree, that's so crazy. You know, the
these these demons, these fallen angels, they were just gaping
their mouths. They're like, ha haha. So you're going to
crush his head.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
You're going to defeat that. You're going to defeat our king,
are you? Yeah? Look where you are now, Messiah? You
know something like that. I mean, I'm making all that up,
but they were, They were mocking him, and we can't
even see it. Only David could see it through the
spirit of what was going to happen to Messiah? Right,
It's just mind blowing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Again.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
That's why we have to queue the mission Impossible music,
because you know, here, you know, here's your mission, if
you choose to accept it is go. Don't tell anybody
what the real mission is. Don't explain everything. But you've
got to go in such a way that you've got
to get yourself up on a cross and die, because

(01:26:24):
once you do that, then you can go down into
Hades and you can take those keys of Hades and death,
and then you can be the master of death and
you can release all those that have been subjected by
death because of Satan, because of Enlel, because of the
Tablet of Destinies. Right, and then this takes us into
Revelation chapter five. Right, talk about the thread that you

(01:26:46):
can never stop pulling.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
I mean, oh my goodness, that that scroll at the
right hand of the Father that I think was the
tablet of destinies, and Jesus bought it back. That's why
John was weeping. And there's nobody unworthy to open company's worthy.
He's like, don't worry. The line of the tribe of
Judah has done. He looks overseas a Lamban though it's
been slain, and everyone's just like, thank you, you died

(01:27:11):
and you redeemed us, you know, I mean, it's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Yeah, we have the I think you had an instance
where you could in you even I think said this
in the book too, where the veil he's being able
to see right, like we can't normally see be on
the veil, and he's able to see at that particular point.
The other thing, too, is I think Stephen had a
moment there too, clearly where he could as he was
being stone to death. I think that was absolutely what
was happening with Steven. And I think you even agreed

(01:27:36):
and said so the book too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
it's it's it's it's an amazing thing, dude. And you know,
I know we're we're pretty much out of time, so
I wanted to go and we're gonna have to save
Plan B a little bit deeper, dive into Plan B
for the next time. But this is here's a little
here's a little teaser for everybody. So we're gonna have
to have dunk back for for what Plan B was

(01:27:56):
with Nimrod, because there is more going on with that
event than you can ever dream of on the surface, right,
It's just there's way way more going on. But when
you understand the idea that Satan's goal here, remember what
the goal is is to corrupt mankind. So that we
can't have this perfect seed come and crush my head, right,

(01:28:17):
And that's it, just a continuation because what happens with
plan A, well, God literally flushes it down the drain,
you know, the flood happens, that all gets wiped out.
But then you know, and Satan's clever. He's got all
these entities that are now roaming the earth right that
he can use as well. So there's lots of stuff
going on there. But one of the things about DNA,

(01:28:39):
because Satan is again the master of how the DNA works.
So if I could, I just want to read the
story of Chris Reno from your book, would you be
okay with that if I did that? Yeah? Yeah, it's
a quick, quick couple sentences, but this explains a little
bit how DNA works, and this is ultimately exactly what
we see in the case with Nimrod and Satan. So

(01:28:59):
here's your teaser to have Doug back. So now he
doesn't have a choice. In twenty twenty, Chris l which
we're going to keep him n named, right, Reno Nevada
learned that three months after his bone marrow transplant, all
of the DNA and his seamen belonged to his donor.
It's crazy. The DNA in his sperm was not his,

(01:29:20):
it was that of his German bone marrow donor. According
to the article, Chris became a chimera and his on
record is saying, I thought it was pretty incredible that
I can disappear and someone else can appear or in
this case, reappear. Yeah, right, kind of shocking. And that's
exactly what Satan. Satan knew this. He's not stupid, right,
he already knew this before we ever found out about it,

(01:29:42):
and so he's going to use this tactic to corrupt
the image. So there you go. There you go, dude,
Thanks so much for coming on. Brother. We went a
lot of fun places and we got more to go,
so you'll have to come back.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
I would love to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
I would love to. Yeah, there's a lot more to explore.
It's pretty good, man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
It all comes to a head, you know, And.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's going to be like Show fifty seven
when you you come back to fifty seven times.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
But we better do it before that. You know, it
all comes, it all falls.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Apart, amen, bro. And I don't know how much time
we got left, but I tell you, I don't know
when you watch the news. When I watch the news,
it ain't looking so hot as far as how things
are going. It's kind of funny. There's a little thing
right back here, right, We got the clock back here,
and ultimately it's always set it like two minutes to midnight,
you know, the duesday clock or whatever says. Anytime you
watch the show, it'll always be set to like two
minutes to midnight.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
So there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Yeah, but yeah, I can't. I can't encourage you guys enough.
Go pick up Doug's book Corrupting the Image Part two.
Pick up all three. You're going to enjoy all three. Man,
he lays it out. There's a ton of stuff in there.
You guys are not going to be disappointed. If you
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Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
We push the algorithm more people get to see it.
So I would really appreciate that. Doug, Thanks Dave, Thank you.
All right, we'll go ahead and shut down the show now,
but don's stick around for just pick a second. After
I kind of wind everything down here, I'll do our
outro trailer and I'll just do a proper goodbye with
you and then just pray with you and we'll get
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Thank you. All right, y'all, with that, what did you

(01:31:47):
do till next time? On the foil? Take care, I
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