The Genesis 6 Conspiracy w/ Gary Wayne [REFOILED]

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Atlantis had ten kings, just as you have ten toes
and Daniel two. You have the ten horns and Daniel seven,
the ten Kings and horns in Revelation twelve, thirteen and seventeen,
And just as you have the Club of Rome, which
answers in the Committee of two hundred and some say
into the Council of thirty three through the senior level
of the Order, have the world divided up into ten

(00:27):
groups or empires, just as the United Nations has done that.
They're trying to create Francis Brakin's a Rosicrucian New Atlantis.
So the New Age is the revisiting or the regeneration
of that new Age or Hitler's thousand year right, it's
thousand year rate. It's a counterfeit thousand year reign in
polytheism that they want to bring about before the Advent

(00:50):
of Jesus coming. Otherwise they're not going to be able
to deceive us, and so expect to counterfeit armageddon as well.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I think we all get the feeling that's something just
isn't right in the world. Welcome fellow foilers to the
tinfoil hat Club. What do we dare to discuss all
the things we don't talk about in church and where
yesterday's fiction becomes tomorrow's fact. When you've got a government

(01:35):
that's lying to your face, controlling the information through the
media that owns that's not a recipe for peace and
a civilization.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
The electromnated ways affecting our.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Planning megallithic cyclope incite.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Anderson Cooper in turn for the CIA watchers in the
Days of Noah.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, hello everyone, and thank you for joining us. I'm
Kyle and I'm Ben, and thank you for joining us
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So we're very excited to have with us mister Gary Wayne.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
So.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Gary is author speaker extraordinaire. But we are really going
to get focused on a couple different things that he
is involved with, which are two of his books. We're
probably going to be focusing on part one of his
two part book series for the most part today, which
is the Genesis six Conspiracy. You guys can see up
there about him. He has Part one and part two

(04:46):
and we're going to do a nice deep dive into
Genesis six today. And Gary promised us that he's going
to be taking us places that maybe we have never
gone before. I'm excited. So Gary, thanks so much for
joining us. Man. We really appreciate you being here and
just you're awesome for doing this, brother, We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, well, thank you for inviting me to your show,
and so happy to be here and so happy to
talk to hopefully a new audience that, if not, then
with some old friends that might be out there that
have heard me before. That's also always good because there's
always more questions and always more things to talk about.
So yeah, thank you for being here. And I think

(05:24):
if people aren't familiar with who I am, I tend
to raise a few eyebrows, and that's probably because I'm
a Christian contrarian. And what I mean by that is
I tend not to believe what somebody says, or what
somebody says, something says, or what they saw unless I
can verify it myself. So and by doing that, I

(05:45):
tend to end up standing in a lot of cases
against the status quo, dogma and doctrine, both inside and
outside the church. So I'm kind of naturally swimming upstream
all the time, but I've learned to swim pretty well.
And I think what I bring to the table is
I connect thoughts for people in ways that they haven't

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thought about before, and I start to help make sense
of not only the Old Testament, but in the world
that we live and based on where we came from,
how we got here, what's going on today, and what's
going to happen.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's an interesting thing because, man,
you hit so many points there that Bennett relate to
Ben and I and the thing that we were trying
to do on this show too. You know, the thing
that we have found is we got in and did
exactly what you said. And I one of the things
that popped in my head instantly when you were saying
what you did is we need more contrarians in this
world and we need to stop having people just accept

(06:39):
what has been spoon fed to us by the Church
because it is so often wrong. And I am still
and I probably will until the day that I'm in
the ground, shedding off a lot of like you said,
the bad dogma that I was taught in church, that
when I actually go and try to find what the
Lord has to say about it, right, what God and
Christ have to say about it in the Bible, it

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is not either in there or is an extremely polluted
version of what is in there. So that is definitely
the case when we get into Genesis six. There are
a lot of wackado theories out there that are absolutely
quite frankly wrong, and so we're excited to do some
of this dives today. So please walk everybody through just
kind of quick synopsis of Part one of Genesis six Conspiracy,

(07:22):
so we know what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, So the Genesis six Conspiracy Part one subtitled How
the Descendants of Giants and how secret societies and Descendants
of Giants plan to enslave Humankind. It is essentially a
six thousand year investigation into what I call in the
book the House of Dragon and go a little bit
deeper into that dragon sort of understanding in book two

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as well of the conspiracy that happened before the flood
that I start with Genesis six. But it's the conspiracy
of the fallen angels to bring down the atomites and
to prevent them from reaching their destination, which is to
be resurrected and to be raised become raised up higher

(08:08):
than angels. So that's the conspiracy and the spurious offspring,
the offspring of the fallen angels recorded in Genesis six
as it records it that form the Nephalim or the
giants as it's translated into English, as were created so

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that the fallen angels don't have to get blood on
their hands. And their job was to parade humankind into
absolute destruction that it would have been, which is why
God intercedes with the flood or permits the flood, depending
on your interpretation of that to occur. And then this
whole thing starts again after the flood and continues through

(08:50):
our time, and there's a resolution in the end time
to end the reign of the Counsel of the Gods
over the seventy nations of the Earth in the end time,
and to send those fallen angels to the Lake of fire,
and to end the terrible ones their spurious offspring who
are doing their beckoning. And so it's a white swath

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through history. And it is a book that shows how
the Bible intersects with the worldwide testimony seen through a
polytheist lens versus a monotheist lens, whereas Book two shows
how the world testimony intersects with the Biblical testimony and

(09:36):
goes deeper into the Bible than anybody else has done before.
So I think Book two is like Book one on
steroids for Christians. And also I would describe it as
if you like doctor Heiser's Doctor Heiser on steroids. Book one,
if you're not totally familiar with the Bible, is a
better place to start, and it gives you a lot

(09:57):
more of other perspectives. But it's written from a distinct
Christian biases.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah. Can you get into really quick the concept of
where some of these alternate theories, what some of the
alternate theories are on Genesis six. I think it's important
for us to cover that and then where they come
from and why we know that the proper and correct
interpretation is an angelic incursion.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah. So when we look at the interpretation of Genesis six,
there's a lot of interpretations that are sort of misguided.
The first thing I want people to understand that it's
written as part of the preamble to the flood story,
and it is the context for the flood story. They
are the ones who bring about the understanding of the

(10:49):
earth being destroyed or the earth being corrupted I'm sorry,
as opposed to the sea, and that the earth is
corrupted as indiction k as the Hebrewer schakav the k
to spoil to ruin, and they're the cause of the
violence and not just the violence that they can do
through their superior strength. But through the angelic technology that's

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provided to them, that they would have destroyed that earth
by fire, except that that's reserved, according to Sewo Peter three,
for the end time, and that there's an intercession. And
depending on whether you're reading a polytheist's version or a
monotheist version, God brings the flood to ensure all the
names of the Book of Life are written that we're

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written in there from before creation have an opportunity to
leave their names in as opposed to having it blotted out,
which is why there's the intercession. Or in the polytheist version,
it's the Council of the Gods that bring the flood
because of the corruption of the giants, because of the
noise of the humans, and a whole bunch of other
reasons that are just designed to sort of wipe humankind

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from the face of the earth. So when we understand
that sort of contexts, the flood takes on a larger,
more supernatural sort of understanding, and it helps to explain
how we know the sons of God are angels and
in this case fallen angels, and in this case watchers
who produced with human females giants as the KGV Bible

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translates it or nephilem as some of the other translations
define it. And that word in the field, which is
the singular form of nephalim i am, is the male
plural representing majestic or royal bloodlines. As you take that
back to the im suffects through the languages that I
do in book two for people, but understand that the

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definition of that word giant is a tribe of giants, giant, bully,
and tyrant. And people will point to the word bully
or tyrant and say, well, that's what it means, and
so you're using the wrong applications. That's half the information.
So they're not denying that the other part of the

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definition isn't giant. They're just focusing on focusing in a
wedge and a doubt into people because the churches aren't
teaching us enough information. So if we look at that
word bull, that's bully as its root word as bull,
and the gods of the pantheon were understood as bulls

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or fallen angels and their offspring were also understood as bulls.
So in whether you're looking at the Sumerian texts, whether
you're looking at the Eugarytic text or other texts around
the world. That's a common term for the demigods and
the gods, and the demi gods is defined in Polytheism
as the offspring of a god and a human male,

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and or a god ass and a human female. And
so when we see the bulls of Bashan that's talked about,
and particularly when they're surrounding the cross in the Book
of Psalms, these are the bulls of Mount Hermit and
in Eugurretic texts the Mount Saffon, where l parent god
ruled before the flood. In Baal, son of L rules

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after the flood, and both create giants. And so when
we look at the word tyrant, that goes back to
Torontos as its original word and Tarawanos as it was
known in Anatolian and were used to describe the giant
kings that were understood from a specific bloodline called the

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Herculides bloodline from the Cretizens from Zeus and elk Many
the human female, and they were called tyrants for their
style of rule. So again it's forming back into the giants.
And if you look at elk Many as a human female,
Zeus as an offspring God who produces the giant hercules.

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You have the same story that's going on in Genesis six. Now,
from a scriptural perspective, we have Nephyline and Rafayem giants,
and it's a Balim, Bayl and Annat after the flood
that are going to create the Rafayem, whereas it would
be L and Astroth in that pantheon that creates giants

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before the flood. And so you have a distinction in
the giants. And we can get into that a little
bit more later. But just in book one, I introduce
the Rafayem, I don't do a lot of distinguishing between them,
them and the Nephyleme and button book two I really
get into that. So if we understand the fallen angels
as the gods of the pantheon, we can now look

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at a polytheist testimony through a polytheist lens of giants
that are created all around the earth that matches perfectly
with Genesis six. Now, a lot of people will say
that the sons of God were humans or Sethites, and
there's two arguments to that. The first argument is that
these are Sethites and that they were just part of

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the Sethi in line, and they produce people that were
more warrior like, but they weren't sort of supernatural. But
then that doesn't allow for the size of the giants
that are recorded in history, and we can get into
some of those dimensions in a few minutes, and it
doesn't explain the super supernatural nature. And we get into

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the definition of giant, it means something significantly bigger than
the average type of being that's in that sort of race.
There's something that has affected it. And so the other
argument is is that they're the sons of God as
are called in the New Testament for the Christians that
are going to be resurrected. But that is a prophecy

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that hasn't been fulfilled yet, and that sons of God
as we're adopted, even though we have human fathers versus
God as the creator of the of the angels, as
it's recorded in Psalms one oh four, those that is
going to be fulfilled after the resurrection. So that's yet

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to happen when we're adopted. But we're not the same
type of creation, and the spirit is different between angels
and humans. And that's another concept. But as I stay
on topic, we can also look at references in the
Old Testament where it's talking about Israel that are going
to be that are called the children of God, and

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though that happens in Isaiah and Jose and again that's
a prophecy for the end time with the reconciliation of
Israel brought back into the Covenant and their resurrection and
judgment that's recorded in Ezekiel thirty seven and elsewhere like
Daniel twelve and other passages where they're going to be
raised up to be like angels as well. So again

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that's a prophecy. So as you apply that to the
event in the Old Testament, do we get examples of
the sons of God in the Old Testament as being angels?
And in indeed we do. We get in Job one
six where you have the sons of God presenting themselves
Job two to one where they present themselves and Satan
is accompanying there. And some people might say, well God

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could have had that throne on the earth as in
Eden when they were doing that. Well that's after Eden,
after Satan's fall, and we don't get scripture for God's
throne on heaven where the angels present themselves. So you're
having to speculate on that, but where it really gets

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nailed between the difference between the sons of God as
being humans or angels in Job thirty eight four through seven,
and in there at creation and akin to what Psalms
one of four is describing, you have the morning stars
and the sons of God celebrating at creation. Humans were

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not there at the point of creation, but angels were.
In the Council of the Gods, you get the sons
of the Most High. You have the the and it's
the same term as the sons of God because that's
L ely Eon as the God most High that are
ruling the council of the Gods. Lower case e l
L for meaning angel or God. Upper case L would

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be the singular form of the God most Higher L
l e On and Loheim is the plural i am
plural there again, but in the superlative upper case for
the God most High, and also used in a singular
event or for the Trinity as well. So you have
to be careful on the Hebrew when you're looking at
that in Hebrew to understand whether they're talking about ruwak

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uh uh Jehovah and L ely Eon or it's the
singular Alohem there, and typically when Jehovah is just singular,
that's when you're just going to see Jehovah, and it's
going to be Jehovah of the Aloheim, which is a
cognate form of the Word of God or the word
logos of theos in the Greek. So we have the

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sons of God of Most High that are ruling the
seventy nations over the earth that were split up before
the flood, and in Deuteronomy thirty two you have the
sons of Israel that you get the term for how
the nations were split. That's not a mistranslation, it's just misunderstood.

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So you might have translations that we'll say angels there
and or sons of God there or Israel. They're all accurate.
And this is something that I call a dual prophecy
that I cover off in book two, where you get
important information from prehistory the time. There's important information for

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the time of the prophet, in this case Moses and
the taking of the covenant land and the land that
God had reserved for himself and gifted to Israel. And
then you have a portion of it that's going to
be filled in the future, which is after the reconciliing
of Israel that I mentioned before going into the millennium,

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and that word Israel is a compound word, and it's
a word that Jacob has his name changed to that
applies to their future promises, and part of it being
detailed in Deuteronomy thirty two though. So that's Sarah and
l are the two words there, and it means the

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ruling God and words similar to that. And so when
it says the sons of Israel, it's the sons of
the ruling God. So you can apply that to angels
and sons of God there, and you can also apply
it to Israel as the prophetic fulfillment in part of
the dual prophecy. And it's important. There's a lot of
due prophecies in the Old Testament. I won't go through them.

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I cover that often book too, but just to give
people sort of cross references as to what's going on
that these are definitely angels that are talking about. And
some people might say watchers doesn't show up because they
get understood as the term watchers. Well that's not really
true either. Daniels Daniel four has watchers four times, and

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that's the Hebrew Hebrew i ear.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Neb as a punishment section if I do believe right.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, And these are angels that come from before the
presence of God, likely Seraphim, as part of the four
groups of watchers who represent the power of governance and
the kingships that are permitted and the religious aspect. As
you look at the responsibilities within the hierarchy, and that
these watchers are good loyal watchers, we get seraphim for

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people who aren't familiar with that term. That's in Isaiah six.
These are six winged, serpent faced angels as you take
them back to Hebrew, and seraphim is is the is
the male plural. And they're part of the four watcher groups.
If people are wondering what the four watcher groups are, Serafim, o'fanim, cherubum,

(23:07):
and archangels. And I know the standard hierarchy doesn't include
archangels in in the top level. Uh, they're in the
presence of God. They have to be watchers, all the
watchers there and and and they're always on watch, they're
always awake. That's the definition of i ear uh. And

(23:30):
what's interesting, it's also attached to another word sat tear
as you take that back to Hebrew, which is so
ear in Hebrew, which means a hairy watcher and it's
a degraded watcher.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Interesting. Wow, yeah, a hairy watcher.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, pescif like a hairy goat watcher. Oh wow, like
pan azelis cern uh no nos fallen angels like that.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, And it's interesting some of those names that you mentioned,
some you know we're gonna be familiar with, but you know,
there's a lot there that you just covered. I want
to kind of unpack a little bit. So it's it's
interesting to me that I guess before we get into
some of that is what is the root of some
of the sethide interpretation, right where these instead of angels,

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you know, or watchers in this particular case, you know,
having this incursion and mating with human women and producing
these wack could do offspring and then they produce more
whackuld do offspring, which we're going to get into. I
thought if they want to ask you your opinion on
and that's going to get in some other questions. You know,
when you read all this stuff and you start to
dive into it, and you probably had the exact same
experience that we've had. It seems like all of this

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stuff was well known to our biblical forefathers. Right, This
wasn't like up in the air, This wasn't a question mark,
you know, this was well known. So we're do we
start to see these other ideas of some kind of
humanistic view, like a seth I view. I've even heard,
you know, like you kind of mentioned these mean cruel
rulers that rule over and that's what the Bible is

(25:12):
actually talking about. Where do some of these crazy other
theories come from.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well a couple, there's a number of sources, and we
get a heavy influence starting a couple hundred years ago
that has roots to be beginning with the formation of
the Roman Catholic Church, and that the church fathers are
having a debate and they're struggling at that time to

(25:36):
say could that really be actually true? And what they're
trying to do is separate themselves from the polytheist They
don't want to be sort of confused there, and that's
part of it. The second part of it is, and
I'll put it into like three parts, maybe four. The
second part of it is is they don't want to
have that term sons of God to any in any

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way stain the meaning of the Word of God, who
is the son of God, as he's called in in
the in the New Testament. And and when I've talked
to ministers, they say, you just can't have other sons
of God. That would mean he's not really the son
of God. I said, well, my response to that is
you have to read all of the passages and understand

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everything in the context, and that if you look at
the Word of God, that's when God speaks. So he's
there in Genesis one as the Word of God, and
so as the Ruach there in Genesis one too, just
as as Eloheim in the superl of sense there is
when he makes the command. The Word creates everything, as

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Colosuon one talks about, that includes the angelic order. So
it doesn't diminish Jesus at all. And he's called the
firstborn of creation, and he's the branch of God as
an extension to do these things. And there's a distinction
between God and Jesus, but they're inseparable. And I won't

(27:05):
go through this whole trinity argument in too much more detail,
but you can also read read in Probs eight where
he is first created and before creation, and he's there
in the beginning, and you know, and and and as
alpha omegas. So they don't want to diminish that sort

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of aspect, and they don't want them to They don't
want people to think that he's like a fallen angel
or any way associated with the giants, and so that's
part of that sort of protection. The third part of
it is that if you look at the four class
system that was imposed on the whole world and the
feudal system as it would be understood in the European

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context through the Middle Ages, is the giants impose this
four class system everywhere, and in the top two classes
you have the royal and they populate the ruling class,
the warrior class, they populate the priest class, and the

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teaching or the educated class, and the oligarchical class. And
then they leave the bottom two as a small entrepreneurial
class like in ancient times, like bakers and blacksmiths and
things like that. And then you have the slave and
working class and or sacrifice class. It's all part of
the same class to them. That's the same four class

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system that is all over the world. Whether you go
to first nations in North America with the bloodline chiefs.
They have that four class system in place, and that
they don't want us to recognize that we've been ruled
by these royals meaning kings of God, as you take
that back, and and it's etymology understanding al is a

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transliteration of El for an angel or a God, just
as it up in Bayel meaning Master God or Lord God.
In one of the ways that the Secret Society is
like to say Lord God as it is in the Bible,
is actually talking about Bayl, even though it doesn't go
back there in the Hebrew it's Jehova of the Eloheim
as you take that back, and so they don't want

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to diminish that whole recognition of Jesus as being God.
And again, without getting too deep into it, it doesn't
because it says he created at God's command everything, And
so I think that's one of the things that they're protecting.

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And then the flip side of it is is the
sending in a polytheist moles into the Christian Church to
go with an interpretive approach which is polytheism, and to
suppress the knowledge of the Giant so that we don't
wake up and say, wait a minute, these are not
all humans. These are different species that have been persecuting

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us all throughout our existence, and they've controlled everything, including
our current churches. And even with the beginning of Protestantism,
you have this influx of moles into the Protestant churches
to suppress that ideology. So, now, whether or not it's
in the Roman Church or Protestantism, in the seminary schools,

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they're told not to teach about prehistory and not to
teach about prophecy, and so they're teaching about a third
of the Bible good values, but it's completely out of context.
And to understand the values and why those principles have
been put in place, we have to understand prehistory. And
if we want to understand prophecy and the allegories, we

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have to understand prehistory as well. Because nothing is new
under the sun. It's Ecclesiastics one tells us and what
was will be a game, and it goes on to
say the understanding of this he brings grief and sorrow.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah. Yeah, there's there's a lot there that's going on that,
you know, again to unpack. And it's so funny because
the thing that just popped in my head when you
were talking about that. It's like we always see on
the show, as it was in the days of Noah.
The more I study, the more I find that not
only we know God's layered, right, God, it's very layered,
and what he says and what he does has multi

(31:23):
dimensions to it. Hebrew has multiple dimensions to it. But
it's also very much the same with Christ. And by
the way, just as a fun side note before I
follow up with my question, we have on the chat
over here a little gentleman you might know by the
name of Justin Brown. I don't know if you can
see or not, but he said till Gary I said
Esau was a bigfoot. He's just trying to he's just

(31:51):
trying to sell books, don't and.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
He likes to live amongst the caves.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, No, it's it's it's so crazy because you know,
as you as you like, as Justin's done, and we've done,
and obviously you've done. Anybody gets into this, and which
is a fantastic thing. I can't the thing you touched
upon right out of the gate is is so important
is to be the contrarian, right, Don't just take somebody
pouring honey in your ear hole and take it as gospel. Right,
go go read for yourself, and it's amazing when you do,

(32:19):
how what God will reveal to you. But uh, one
of my things that I'd written down I wanted to
follow up on that you had mentioned, was this whole
concept of the bulls of Bashan and and like bail
that you just mentioned in bulls in general. Is it
is it you're understanding too that when you see these
things now in our normal modern day that it's basically

(32:41):
just in your face a flag waving of all of
this stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
With the uh you're referencing to the reference to bulls
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, like outside of.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. So everything that was
done in the past. As Adam has two sons, and
this is where it begins with Cain and Abel and
then later Seth. Cain never forgives God, and he's going

(33:15):
to teach his knowledge to Enoch, who's going to create,
according to Polytheism, the seven Sacred sciences that we know
as the seven Liberal Arts, and that's going to eventually
merge with the knowledge of the fallen angels. But he's
going to discipline. Enoch son of Kin is going to
put that into the seven into seven disciplines and then

(33:38):
create mysticism of the Son and Bulk cult to protect
that knowledge as it's being developed, so it doesn't get
into the hands of the Sethites or the mundane, as
they'll come to look at the Sethites as and so
they have four goals when they did that. So one
is to not give God credit for anything. Two is

(34:04):
to defame God, Three is to lead people away from God.
And four is to honor the Pantheon of Gods in
everything they do, whether or not it's in names, imagery, icons,
naming things after them. They keep it in front of

(34:26):
our noses all the time. And so when they're using
terms like bulls, they know what they mean by a bull.
And that's part of the Bull cult. And it's not
only made famous through the Age of Taurus in astrology,
which is it's just polytheism and a corruption of astronomy

(34:51):
as they try and have everybody feel that their fates
are in the hands of the story host. Hebrewered Saba
for an army of angels, in this case fallen angels
that are represented not only in the Seven wandering stars,
but angels are also called stars, and it's used interchangeably

(35:14):
with the host of heaven and with the sons of
God and with angels, and you throughout the whole Testament
you have those terms being used together. Another testimony for
sons of God being angels because they're all interchangeable terms
that are used together. And so that's part of the imagery.

(35:34):
And people will say, well, what angel is a bull? Well,
you actually do have a bull in there, and it's
one aspect of one of the watchers. It's actually one
of the heads of a charubum, which is depicted as
an ox or a bull, and when a charubum would
take a physical form, it would take one face. One

(35:56):
of those faces would be a bull. That's where the
bull understanding comes from. And as part of the throne
of the polytheist throne of gods that rule the earth
in the multiple throne rooms that they have. And there's
also three other faces on a trubum that people will
recognize as part of carabs or trubum, as they're depicted

(36:18):
in a singular face. You have a lion's head, you
have a birds or an eagle head, and you have
a human head, so you might see like a sphinx
that has a line or a human head. You'll have
a carab, which is just a different pronunciation of the
ch as we do as in the original ch is,
and a k in that in the in the Mesopotamian

(36:41):
pronunciation there as opposed to an h sound in Hebrew,
where it's typically pronounced as a as an whar h
o r i m that you're going to have bulls
and even gargoyles, and gargoyles are the bird look to
the the trubam and they're all the same being. But

(37:02):
when we look at reliefs in the Middle East, you
can see two that represent the Anunaki and Annaki are
watchers and associated with the igigi, different kinds of watchers,
and that the igiji is like associated with the word
eyes and to watch as in uh ig and iggy

(37:26):
in an ancient Sumerian just as air is to watch
and be awake for watchers in heaven. And these these
watchers are represented in iconology and imagery all over the world.

(37:47):
Just look at coats of arms. You've got dragons on there,
you've got unicorns, which are an allegory for the Trubum.
You have lines, and you have e These are all
again part of the Trubum, the most powerful, and the
Trubim are kind of like warrior type of angels as well,

(38:07):
just as you have two Trubum with swords of fire
guarding the gates of Eden after the ostracization of Adam
and Eve. And so they are going to populate their
imagery with in the whole world on everything that honors
the pantheon of the gods, whether it's the buildings, whether

(38:29):
or not, it's the names they name things after. And
so bulls are always kept alive. And if you look
in most polytheist ancient cultures, the bull has a significant
aspect to that polytheist religion, and it's in all of
the religions around the world. Even the sun disk is
held between two horns.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, it's kind of fascinating, you know, talking about the
sun and the moon and the worship of all that stuff.
Because and this kind of ties into before I go here,
I guess it ties into another question I was going
to ask you, and I think it's kind of rhetor,
but I just want to still ask the question because
I don't think you can really get to all the
things that you've gotten to without these, but I would
assume a lot of the what we would call extra

(39:11):
biblical text, like the Book of Enoch, And I don't
know how much of the Book of Jubilee you've kind
of gotten into or not, but I'm sure that that's
kind of helped shape a lot of this too, because
you kind of have to mold them together in order
to get this complete picture that you don't get in
just the Bible.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, So the first thing, if you're going to do
things outside the Bible, what I recommend advise people to
do is measure all things written outside the Bible against
what's written in the Bible and note the differences. And
if it's directionally different, you want to understand that that
is not something that you want to rely on. And
if it's from a polytheist piece of information, I understand

(39:49):
that's an interpretation that's designed for their agenda, So you
want to be careful on that. And for things that
are generally associated with the Bible in terms of of
its history or apocrypha, you still want to use that
same sort of measurement. So do I use in Book
two direct references from the book of Enoch absolutely or

(40:11):
in book one. I'll use the polytheists references to show
you what they believe absolutely. But I also know the
Book of Enoch has some issues to it, and we
do not have a complete Hebrew manuscript to it. So
I have a document I send out to people when
they ask for it that show some of the differences,
to show you that there's some of some corruptions in there,

(40:33):
not a lot. I like Book of Enoch. Jubilees is
a little bit different. I think it's good to read it.
I think it's good to understand it, but understand that
it is a solar based belief system in the Jubilees
Book of Jubilees, and whether this is the original or not,
we need to understand that polytheis groups like the Ascenes

(40:56):
look at the Book of Jubilees and enochs son of
King as two of their most revered items, one being
a patriarch, one being what they would call their scripture
in the Old Testament for the Hebrews for the people
of Israel, and one deduces that would be the Sethites

(41:20):
before the flood as well would be done on God's
calendar that he asked us to use, which is the
lunar calendar, and so the solar calendar is part of
the sun worship, and that solar calendar worship is introduced
by x of Kine versus Enox son of Jared. And
for people who aren't aware there are two Enochs, you

(41:41):
need to understand that because the secret societies and the
Gnostics like to conflate the two and then adopt them
in and use that as wedge issues against Christians. So
we have to understand they both wrote scripture. So in
the Book of Enoch, when it says he's five hundred
years old, that's a corruption. Enoch son of Jared has

(42:05):
taken to heaven at three hundred and sixty five, so
we have to be careful there. Now. I don't think
that corrupts the whole first Book of Enoch, but it
shows that there we don't have the original Hebrew and
there's likely been some changes there. Second Enoch I do
not like. I think that's been totally corrupted or as polytheist,

(42:25):
as opposed to thirty knoc which is even more corrupted
and has Enoch son of kin as. I think they're
clearly describing him being raised to angelic status through his knowledge,
just like Thought was or Mercury was and other gods
around the polytheism, and even to son of God's status

(42:46):
as he's described in their named Metatron. I think that
one's totally corrupted. I do like we only have fragrance,
fragrance fragments of it is a Enoch Book of Giants,
as opposed to it's longer version where you get the
man of Chan Book of Giants and you get some

(43:07):
Persian influence and mana Chain influence on that. But I
do like the fragments that we have on the Book
of Giants. I think that one may may be part
of the original as well. So that's my advice is
And if you're going to be speaking to Christians, I
always measure against the Bible. I start with my Bible
premise first, and then I start to try and add

(43:30):
in some other contexts.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
No, No, that's good. That's exactly kind of the same
path that I went. You know, when I started reading
the Book of Enoch the first time, I was like,
you know, kind of it made so much sense because
it filled in a lot of holes that are not
necessarily talked about in Genesis. Not to again not to
disparage Genesis, but I think what we're getting in Genesis.
First of all, I know it's largely attributed or most

(43:53):
often attributed to Moses, but I think there's a lot
of scholars out there that'll say it was actually probably
multiple writers that had their in that, and one of
them could have actually been Noah. It's very possible. So
I think what you're getting is I think you're getting
kind of a rehashing of events, so to speak, a
cliff notes version, because it was well known to them.
But when we read it now, it just doesn't seem

(44:14):
that way. So when we read Genesis sixty four, you know,
we're like, whoa, you just talked about some kind of
event that's like angels and human women, you know, having
intercourse and producing offspring. Why did you only spend two
seconds is on that?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
So two things for people to look at in terms
of the Bible is Number one is that it's going
to come down depending on your timing of the Exodus,
somewhere between twelve hundred to fourteen fifty BC. And you know,
I'm of the older aiding on that from a biblical chronology,
and that that is a younger handing down of the

(44:52):
Torah to Moses by God. Then what you get polytheist
accounts on and so they'll have references to the same
event and polytheism, like the Epic of Gilgames I'll say
it's an older version, therefore it was copied. We have
to understand when we received the Torah, and it's a
later date. It doesn't mean that it's not accurate. It's

(45:13):
just that that's what's provided to Moses. There would have
been probably things that Noah had that he likely took
with them on the arc. That would be some of
these older books that have been lost and even after
the advent of Israel. So you could be like, I
have the tolodof of Adam or the total Adoth of

(45:35):
Noah and all these other ones that are thought to
be making up and forming parts of Genesis and parts
of the Book of Enoch. And then you have the
seventy year roll haggriography that we don't have anymore, that
was also part of the First Temple. So we may
not have the larger versions that are there. What we
do know about the Book of Enoch is an almost

(45:58):
word for word is in the Book of Jude when
it talks about Enoch is pretty much word for word
what's recorded in the Book of Enoch. And we also
have words that we can take back to Hebrew that
are still utilized in the Book of Enoch. And even

(46:19):
though we don't have a complete Hebrew manuscript, we only
have Greek and Giaz. I recommend the Giaz version or
the Ethiopian version because it has a few more chapters.
But for example, is you have an angel that's in Eden,
that's likely Satan, who is the troubum in Eden? Is
Ezekiel twenty eight talks about that name is gad Reel.

(46:40):
That word means wall of God or God's wall. It
has a Hebrew meaning attached to it with two Hebrew
words and oh fanning, which is a term that I
used earlier for one of the watcher groups. Those are
the angels that are in Ezekiel one, three, and ten

(47:01):
that are in the wheels in the Throne of God vision.
And there's two words in Hebrew that are used for
wheel there. One is for the actual wheels, which is
gil gal is in Gilgal Rafaeim, or the wheel of
the giants that's at the foot of Mount Herman. And
the angels that are distinct from the trubum because one

(47:23):
of those faces of the foe faced Ofanim is a
troubam face, so it's distinct, and it's in the wheel
versus being in front of the throne is depicted as
pulling the chariot of God in the Book of Psalms.
That is the Hebrew word o fan for those beings
that are within the wheel. And you put the im

(47:45):
mail plural on like trubum or seraphim, and you get
O fannium. And that's one of the four groups of watchers,
and as they're named Ophanim in the Book of Enoch.
So we have lots of those types of words that
we can take back to the Hebrew, so we know
it has a Hebrew basis. We don't know what additions
have been put into it or what all the corruptions
might be.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, someone, I don't know, if you've soldering. I don't
know if you can see the chat on your end.
It'd be great if you could. But someone actually, oh, perfect, Yes,
Someone asked what's the language of Enoch. The answer to
that is I guess, and Gary can correct me if
I'm wrong. Here, all of the copies that we have
found thus far in Kumaran, in the Dead Sea scrolls
I believe were Aramaic. They were no Hebrew, they were

(48:29):
only Aramaic. And then the ones that we have the
most complete version of are actually the Tewahido Jew which
is Eritrea Eritrean and Ethiopian, which is the geas that
Gary mentioned.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Is that accurate, Yeah, that's quite accurate. And also we
have Greek versions as well. Yeah, but they're they're later versions.
So those are the oldest ones that we would have.
The full you know, the full Book of Enoch that
we have today with language is not original Hebrew, and
Aramaic is not Hebrew. Aramic is introduced when Israel is

(49:11):
in exile or Southern Kingdom Juda is in exile in
Babylon and all of the people lose the language of
Hebrew except for the rabbis. And then so Aramic is
like the Greek of the Persian and babylon Empire, right,
that's the international language. And so they create the targets

(49:32):
from Babylon in Aramic starting then because they're trying to
teach Hebrew to non speaking Hebrew people and they're trying
to add editorialism into it, so you want to be
careful with the targems as well.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, the only other thing I'll add, just to answer
this person's question. One of the things that I have
found too when I started to study, Typically a lot
of scholars will use what is that when we find
these manuscripts, we find these fragments, really more fragments than anything.
What language are they written in? And they'll typically date
or try to date the manuscript or the book or

(50:07):
whatever it is based on that. Obviously Aramaic would be
more recent than Hebrew. The only challenge with that is
just because that they couldn't find a copy in Hebrew
doesn't mean that at some point it wasn't originally written
in Hebrew and we just didn't have that anymore. And
at some point maybe that it got damaged and it
was retranslated into Aramaic or whatever. So it's kind of
a little bit of a dangerous scholar road to go down.

(50:29):
It is.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
It's one of those pieces of misinformation that POLYTHEUS love
to utilize, and we need to be aware of that,
and we need to understand that there were scribes all
the way down through Israel and visible what I call
visible Judah versus the lost tribes of Israel, and that
they continually updated the scrolls to ensure that they wouldn't

(50:54):
be lost, and that they had lots of copies of
the in case of war and things like that, So
that was a regular renewal of that. And when you're
writing on scrolls, they have a shelf life versus stone
where they would have originally done some of the major
ones on which is why you don't tend to have

(51:15):
a lot from the Old Testament of more ancient version
on scrolls, because they're only what's surviving of that is
it was done on stone.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yeah, one of the most fascinating things they actually found
in Kumron was something they called the copper scroll, where
they actually had inscribed on copper so that it would
actually not wither, yeah, like a like a parchment would,
or just took like a cloth. One of the other
things too that I wanted to kind of and this
is an interesting question for the fifty two minute mark,
but I'd have to ask just because it's I probably

(51:47):
put the cart before the orse a little bit here,
but how what was your path? Just out for a
fun curiosity question to get into this, and because it
kind of seems like in talking to you, you maybe
have more traditional route like I. Where we got into
the church, we were taught one thing and then as
I started to dig into it and I started to
scratch my head a little big go things, ain't two

(52:09):
and two, ain't making four here?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
So yeah, is that kind of what your path was too?

Speaker 1 (52:16):
A kind of but some distinctions. So I, you know,
after I became a teenager and was completely sort of
brainwashed through the education and peer pressure, I dropped Christianity
and became secular and a fan of evolution, and I
came back on my path, which gave me the new

(52:36):
eyes to do, to have a look at things with
a challenge. And we were drinking one night when I
was twenty or twenty one years old, and my brother
and a friend were there, and they're talking about anti Christ,
a false prophet, and they said, you know, late into
the evening, you know, how brave are you? And if
you're have enough courage, we'd like you to challenge you
to read a book. And I thought they probably were
going to talk about the Bible because of what they

(52:58):
were talking about, but it was a book by hal
Lindsay and the late great planet Earth. And so I
read it and scared the socks off of me. And
so I wanted to verify whether it was what he
was saying was accurate. Was he manipulating what was said
leaving out inconvenient passages, you know? And so I looked

(53:19):
up the passages. They looked like he was quoting them accurately,
but it didn't tell me about the full context. So
the only way I could learn about that was I
had to learn the Bible, and I had to start
reading it from back to cover. And then I decided, well,
this is such a big topic, I'm gonna have to
log all the prophecy narratives. And I found I was
badly equipped to do that, and I had to reinvent

(53:40):
how I was going to do that all of the time.
And each time as I'm going through the Bible to
log these passages out, you get the Genesis six and
you get this cognizant dissonance, like giants, what the heck
is that? And whatever it is, That's not what I'm
here for, the problem, though, is is it kept coming
up and even after the flood, and then you've got

(54:01):
demons and you've got fallen angels, and you've got this
stuff carrying through to the Book of Revelation in a
lot of the cases, and I can make a good case,
and I do in book two that the mighty men
are the descendants of the giants that are talked about
in terms of the kings and the mighty merchants and
things that are being talked about in the Book of

(54:22):
Revelation as you take that back to Greek. And so
I had to learn about the giants, and I didn't
want to, but I decided I'm going to log it
all out, and I got fascinated with it. And I
was a history in a mythology buff before. So I
know about heroes, I know about the watchers, I know
about these types of things, and so it's connecting. It's

(54:43):
kind of connecting with me, but I'm not really sort
of ready to do anything with it. But when I
decided had all of the prophecy sort of laid out,
and I understood that there's a direct relationship between prehistory
and the allegories with end time prophecy is I thought,
if I want to write about prophecy, maybe I should

(55:04):
try and see whether I can get published, and kind
of even write a book and would anybody buy it?
And would anybody like it? And so I thought, I'll
write a short book and I'll just connect Genesis six
with revelations. And so I wrote the first chapters pretty quickly.
But then I realized I need all the way to

(55:24):
the coliseum, so to speak. That when in down past.
I never thought I would go down. But what the
main thing through that whole six thousand year history is
the bloodlines of the giants.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yes, I was getting ready to ask that, go ahead,
fire away.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
How did they come after the flood?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
How did it all start up again? See, this is
what he does. He sits over here, He just kind
of waits, bides his time, and then he comes in
with heavy ones like that. It's like a million dollar question.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
So biblically, we're not told how giants show up bath
for the flood, and we need to sort of understand that.
But we know they do because we get the term giants,
which is typically goes back to singular rapha rafaem, who
explore in great detail after the flood in book two
versus Nephilem. Nephilem only shows up three times in the

(56:21):
Old Testament, once in Genesis six' four and two times
in the same sentence in number thirteen thirty three in
the embellished part of the report of that came back
from the, scouts Including kleb And, joshua just you, know
in the time of the, exodus and it says that
the nac are the sons of, giants which Is Nephil,

(56:45):
nephelem and that's not les to. Understand that's an embellished
part of the. Report rafaem is used twenty five times
in The Old, testament And rafaem is used to describe
The anachem and due to enemy two or that word,
says and it says it twice to underline it That
anikem were. Giants rafaim is in the male, plural as

(57:10):
were the, wharry as were The, emmy as were all the,
giants seemingly after the, flood and that the scouts were
talking about the nepheline in an embellished way as he's
just as they're describing The, anachem which had Three anakeem Kings,
sheshai Ahe, man And tellmi named several times throughout about

(57:38):
during the time of The exodus and even into the
days of the judges early on when they're finally killed
those Three anakeem, kings and that these giants were used
to scare The, israelites even though The anachem were, giants
and the word rapha is seventy four to ninety seven for,

(58:00):
rooted in seventy four to ninety five heel and seventy
four ninety six all part of the same extension out
of seventy four ninety five to, heels as in demon
spirits in seventy four ninety six rafa evil. Spirits words like,
that they're all related and the derivative words have kerry

(58:21):
partial of the. Meaning so in The eugoretic, texts for,
example where you get The rafayem being created by Bail Anna,
nat they are. Healers they can heal, themselves and they
can heal, others and they and most translations like to
refer to that as describing them as healers versus the
other options that they could have selected for. That but

(58:41):
they're also described as giants or gibb or or gibber,
reim and they're also dynastic, kings so we get all
of that meaning in The eugotic, text which just fits
perfectly with kings Like king og who is king Over
edrai and Asht off and he's the last of the
giants or the remnant of the giants after the, flood

(59:04):
And rafa there is The hebrew word for. Giant giant
is translated one other time in The book Of job
when it's describing an individual as a, giant and that's
The hebrew word gibb or gibbor, reim which is the
term used to describe the giants In genesis sixty four
with mighty ones or, heroes depending on the translation that

(59:25):
you're talking about Into. English and so Gibber reem shows
up one hundred and fifty four times in The Old,
testament not always to describe a, giant but most often
to describe a. Giant so with that sort of on
the table is we have to be careful with the
distinction Between rafayem and. Neheline but how do giant show

(59:46):
up after the flood because we have these rafayem giants
showing up after the. Flood so there's only a few
ways that that can. Happen and there's kind of like
three different. Buckets so one, bucket which is my least
favorite one is somehow on the arc through the. Wives,
yeah AND i understand that that you could have them

(01:00:08):
As hamm as a. Giant that's A gnostic, belief by
the by the, way as opposed to a monotheist. Belief
but the more monotheist one is through the. Wives and
SO i don't think that that's. Possible but because we're
not told, how you have to leave that. OPEN i
think it's unlikely you could have giant genes and the

(01:00:30):
four races embedded into the. Wives that gets too complicated
with such few people to have that sort of. Work
after the words.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
And we, HAVE.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
I can make a case for second occursion after the,
flood AND i, do BUT i just don't have that
smoking gun verse even Though genesis sixty Four genesis sixty
FOUR uh says that they went to the. Wives, again
we don't know when a gain, is but you can
get awfully close with that and other. Passages that's WHY
i leave the small crack at. Open another way is

(01:01:05):
that they were helped by fallen, angels either on the
arc with another, arc like in the epic Of. Gilgamesh
And i'm not pitched Or Isaiah zudra in those those
accounts is is is a offspring of the gods and
a human and his two thirds god and one third,

(01:01:27):
human definitely a. Demigod De calian And pierra are The Greek,
noah and and Whoever noah's wife's name, is we don't
have That, biblically we get other, names but there's different
names that are used for his, wife depending on which
apocryphy that you're. Reading Typically, Zara zara Or nama is

(01:01:48):
another one that is also. Used so you want to be, Careful,
yeah you want to be careful with, that and because
there'll be multiple names With, noma, Right, so but we
don't get the, name and so so fallen angels could
have helped them on another arc and Do calian is
the offspring Of, prometheus so he's a giant in The greek,

(01:02:10):
side these are giant. Accounts you get giant accounts of
survival all around the, World so that's a. POSSIBILITY i
favor second incursion AND i make a very good case
for that in book two and how you get there
through biblical. Passages but it's still you don't have written

(01:02:33):
in The book Of genesis that bail And annat created
The ralphaym or the alien did. Not, yeah it would be,
nice but we. Don't so a lot of people will also,
say but that doesn't really stack up survival, somehow some
way with what it says In genesis six and. Seven,

(01:02:53):
well you could make a legal, argument which is again
WHY i leave a crack open for. Survival not only
is it courted in, polytheism but biblically it Says god
was going to destroy everything he created from the, earth
not from the, sea but from the, earth and he
did not create the, giants and so the fallen angels.

(01:03:15):
Did so you could make that legal argument in those
two passages In genesis six And genesis seven That god
Is Alfa, omega knew everything that was going to happen before,
creation and he's letting everything play out through free, choice
just as angels had free, will free choice to, rebel
and he knew the type of things that they were
going to. Do and why the plan to create from

(01:03:39):
the beginning the atomites to be the resolution to the
angelic rebellion is so, powerful and how the fallen angels
did not understand that there would be a, resurrection otherwise
it wouldn't have Crucified jesus as First corinthians songs about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
That it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Starts it starts to make some sense that fallen angels
are wanting their spiritous ones to continue to try and
ensure humankind doesn't reach our, destiny that we have to
choose through faith and and get immortality because we're created,
mortal whereas angels were created. Immortal and SO i leave
that crack, OPEN i heavily fall into a second. Incursion.

(01:04:21):
One but even in the Epic, eca even in the
epic Of, gilgamesh you get a second incursion and you
have survival with the arc story of giants with epnptician
and all of his family is Archetypical, nephilim all two Thirds,
god one third. Human And gilgamesh is sixth generation after the,

(01:04:42):
flood king of A rooks and of Local banda in
A rook and the fertility goddess nin and a bull.
Goddess yeah, yeah And gilgamesh is called a bull as. Well,
Right and just as you have the image Of orion
as a giant from before the flood who is trying

(01:05:04):
to slay the bull In orion as part of the
polytheist allegory goes with. That this, again this is. Common
so you have a second incursion With gilgamic AND anki
do is created offset the evil Of. Gilgamesh and then
you'll get two accounts of giants being created In greek

(01:05:27):
mythology before the flood that did all of the. Wars
and then you have a you have a second class
of giants that are created at a later, date and
how that works and how you start to understand. This
if you want to understand, prehistory one of my pieces
of advice for people is understand the difference between parent
gods and offspring. Gods parent gods created giants before the.

(01:05:51):
Flood so in book, ONE i document how l created.
Giants in book, TWO i talk About baal and the
creation of giants as an offspring, godlytheism the offspring gods
slay the parent gods and take over the us of.
Power problem with that is these are immortal, beings so

(01:06:12):
you can't kill. Them but what did happen to these
parent gods is is at the time of the flood
all the ones who violated the laws of creation and
created the terrible ones both before and after the. Flood
and terrible ones is one of those terms of giants
in THE, kgv like In ezekiel thirty, Two isaiah twenty,

(01:06:35):
Five isaiah, fourteen and elsewhere From Hebrew arite or the.
Eriteine these are ones that are also in the pit
prison where the parent gods. Go so In ezekiel thirty,
two the spirits of these giants are in the pit
prison in the, sides and then l the mighty ones
that are also speaking To, pharaoh and that dual prophecy.

(01:06:57):
There another dual prophecy is The hebrew word. L so
you have angels and you have the mighty ones or
The gibberim that there's the terrible. One spirits are in
there along with their. Parents so after the, flood the
offspring gods take. Over in this, Case bael is the
son of L zeus is the offspring Of Kronos, unkie

(01:07:22):
and On lel is the offspring Of, anu and on
and on and on around the world because it's the same,
story and they all create giants and, so but they disappear,
too and so they're sent to the pit prison as.
Well and so in The eugartic text you have these
fertility rituals where they're trying to bring bail and an
l back to create more RUFAYEM rpm in the original

(01:07:44):
language Of, semitic just AS npl would be the original Vowelss.
Semitic and there's no h in either one of those,
words so you can see nepale or NEPHALINE h is
part of the evolution of in The english And hebrew
of of an addition and the vowels were. Added so
rapiu and rapiu is generally the transliteration that we get FROM.

(01:08:07):
Rpm BUT rpm is the submitic route For, rapaem just
AS npl is the submitic group for nephalin that we
get in the Original. Hebrew they're trying to bring them
back because they have a fertility issue after the, flood
and they're going to have to intermarry with humans to
create the hybrid giants like The amorites for, example or The.

(01:08:30):
Amalekites and how do we know some of these are.
Hybrids In genesis thirty, six for, example you Have eliphaz Marrying,
tina the daughter of Wore A. Raphaem as you Take
deuteronomy twos description back To, hebrew and they start a
new dynasty with a low's with the precious few, females

(01:08:56):
and that's where the fertility issue comes, from and that's
why new dynasties are started with a purebred patriarchal bloodline
versus the dragon patriarchal blood. Line But aliphaz is the
son Of, esau brother Of, jacob and they're going to
create the Hybrid. Amalekites And esau also marries All hall

(01:09:16):
of Me, obama which is another whoreme and creates another
bloodline of. Hybrids the reason why you don't have patriarchs
for the nine patriarchist tribes of The, canaanites because you
only Get, Heth sidon And canaan of the, twelve and
then you get all these names like Wu sites And.

(01:09:37):
Archites that's because those names Are rafayem, patriarchs And rafayem
don't have patriarchs in the table of nations for the
seventy nations after the, flood, Right and so you can
look at those names and you can take them back
to A rafaye, patriarch AND i do in book two

(01:10:01):
Through patrial And hebrew etymology and patronymic passing on and
eponymous passing on of, names AND i detail that in
detail in book two and one can also presume that
IN i deduce AND i make a good case for.
IT i, think is That nimrod who Became gibbori not a,

(01:10:24):
giant but That's hebrew chillal meaning he broke his, vow sexual,
rituals all sorts of things and THINGS i don't have
time probably to get into today unless you really want
to get a lot Into. Nimrod he has got a human, Father,
cush and doesn't really qualify as a, giant but he
is giant. Like and then he Enter marys into the

(01:10:45):
original people of the east Of, persia which are The
Indo aryans which are, giants and The, elamites which Is
olam of the ancient people of The east who The
shechemites take the same name on. Of and there's two
distinct groups Of elamites that's recorded in ancient, history and

(01:11:07):
one of the giants which is The, olam and the
other ones are The semites that are going to intermarry with.
Them giants are aboriginals in the land after the. Flood
their definitions all include. Aboriginals they were already there After
babel after the offspring gods were put into the pit,

(01:11:28):
prison another angels are raised up to rule over that
council of Gods casaba is means a host of heaven
or an army of, angels which means rank and, order
and they would just move up in that ranking to
replace the gods after the flood as. Well that went
to the pit. Prison and so when we look at

(01:11:51):
trying to understand, prehistory we can get chronology a little
bit clearer if we understand the parent gods ruled before the,
flood offspring gods ruled after the, flood but are. Removed
and it's not that we don't have a council Of
god still, working uh in those councils over the seventy,

(01:12:11):
nations they're just not named after. That.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Yeah, wow, INTERESTING i have never heard that The ham
was a. Giant i'd never heard that, before BUT i.
DID i have heard the you, know the tracking of
Maybe ham's. Wife when you look at the genealogical breakdown
of all the post Flood nephlom or post flood you
know giants that would run into which is. Interesting, Well

(01:12:37):
ham is cursed for what he, Does, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Can you can make a case that he either raped
His noah's wife or Rape. Noah the language doesn't suggest
it's the. Wife but that's how people would like to
interpret it there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Myself but, yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
But the language indicates that it happened to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
To.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Noah and AGAIN i cover this in book. ONE i
also have a great document and a supply it no
charge for, people and whichever way does it doesn't really.
Matter but homosexuality is part of The giant mythos as.
Well but it's Not ham who receives the. Curse none
of the other sons. Do and What canaan. Does he,
Says i'm not going to be, Bonded i'm not going

(01:13:24):
to be a. Slave i'm going to move to the
covenant land amongst The refaem supply daughters to create the,
giants and so this has an inference there that if
giants were created after the, flood then he supplies wives
shortly after, that and That Mount ararat that actually Is

(01:13:45):
hebrew for, Curse so this is the curse for the
time where the curse, happens and that even before they
are dispersed At, Babel canaan is supplying wives to the
fallen angels to create giants to be the aboriginals in
the land that the people A bable are going to

(01:14:06):
move amongst and then That heth And sidon will continue
in that understanding Because hittites become intermixed with The Indo
aryans or the giants and become thought of as not
A canaanite tribe by a lot of, seculars but As
Indo aryan. Tribes but that's just the inner marriage that

(01:14:26):
is going on, there and so they're going to create
something that the in The egyptian execration texts and other
texts described as The, shazoo which were living amongst giant
tribes like The, anakin but they weren't as, tall so
they were averaging six to nine feet tall as the

(01:14:49):
measurements come out versus let's say nine to twenty feet
tall for Post alluvian, giants and Post alluvian giants would
be smaller than A luvian. Giants so when people look
At amos two, four they, say, well they had be
bigger than you, know seven eight nine. Feet, well that's
a simile there where it says they're like the cedars

(01:15:12):
Of lebanon and as strong as the. Oaks that is
a simile, there or a type of type of metaphor
in the. Language so it can't be exact because he's
cedars Of, lebanon they grew to fifty feet tall or
fifty feet wide one hundred feet. Tall you, know, again
the perfect two to one heights the width ratio for
most of the, giants just as they're called stout in

(01:15:34):
The Old. Testament that's not meaning, fat that means just
as the bed of og was a two to one
ratio of nine cubits to, four and he was the
king Of, aruxus so just or king of Ed Ryan,
astroth and just As josepha, says you measure them on
a royal cubit as royal's which is twenty one inches

(01:15:57):
versus the standard, eighteen he would have closer to fifteen feet,
tall with the bed being about sixteen feet, tall but
somewhere between twelve and fifteen and four to six feet
wide to fit in the. Bed, Now Yoga mesh is
a little bit. Bigger he's a dark haired. Giant and
there's a different watcher involved, here and that he has

(01:16:18):
described not only The eugaritic, text but all the various
ones through In. Sumaria with the same dimension of eleven
cubits tall and four cubits, wide he'd be nineteen feet
tall as the king of a rook and seven feet
Wide goliath on that, cubit and particularly as The king
Of gaff who ashe's replaced, afterwards he would be eleven

(01:16:43):
feet one to three inches tall on a royal, cubit
and he's described as stout as, well but we don't
get as exact sort of wid just as just as,
height and even on a common cubit he'd still be
nine feet nine inches. Tall but all the royal as
are the descendants of.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Giants, Yeah, ben you had a.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Question, yeah it wasn't a, question it was more of
a COMMON i always think that the scariest verse in
The bible is Then god Remembered. NOAH i always think
that is like the scariest verse because where Was GOD'S i.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Bring that up like all the, time and it's, like,
well it's it's, interesting and it is scary that he
may have started all over, again just As god favored
and Remembered, moses he threatened to start all over With. Israel,
yeah and not For if it wasn't For noah pretty

(01:17:38):
much walking With god and being holy and pure not
only a physical nature but of a spiritual nature Like,
enoch he might have started all over again and If
moses wasn't so loyal and with the spirit in, him
even though he wasn't, perfect he would have started over

(01:17:59):
and threatened. Too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Yeah, yeah so, yeah there had to be a time,
too you, know kind of in That abraham. Time that's
one of the things That i've been kind of studying
more and. More and it's an interesting thing when you
start to study Like genesis and then you go and
you actually look At, jubilees Because jubilees gives you a
much more complete version of like maybe what was going
on at the time that you don't necessarily get In,
genesis just like we get In genesis. Six it's pretty

(01:18:21):
much that way and some of the other stories as,
well and it really gets into a lot of what
we talked about today with the worship of the sun
and the moon and the stars and all of this celestial, worship,
Right and really what you get that you don't necessarily
get in The bible is That abraham made the conscious
decision to move away from the polytheistic worship and go
back to the monotheistic worship Of. God and so that's

(01:18:44):
Why god's, Like, HEY i can do something with this.
Guy he's pretty, awesome and he may have been the last.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Monotheist, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
You kind of have to, think, like you, know the
way we're going, here this is not looking good for part.
Two you, know If god's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Going to go for a part three and that would continue,
that you, Know israel would be the small island amongst
the sea of gentile populations and, polytheism and so it,
was and so that's sort of the way it has
been through throughout our. History and, yeah it's it's very,
scary BUT i think you, Know god understood as Alpha,

(01:19:23):
omega and he's looking for people to step. Up but
everybody still has to. Choose that's not. Fate and so If,
isaac If abraham perhaps wasn't prepared to go right down
to the point of Sacrificing isaac to show his, loyalty
maybe and he did sacrifice, Him abraham probably gets killed

(01:19:45):
By god and he starts all over. Again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Right, yeah it's it's it's a fascinating rabbit hole to go,
down for. SURE i just want to say you had
mentioned something earlier About gary's original intention was to start
off and write a short book on all, this and
IT i just want to state that the Genesis, Conspiracy
part one is eight hundred and sixteen. Pages that's what
happens when somebody starts off and wants to go From
genesis To revelation and try to make it a short.

(01:20:11):
Story it's hard to do because you find so many
rabbit holes to go. Down BUT i want to shift
gears a little bit for our last little bit of time,
here and we're probably going to have to have you.
Back this is my secret ploy to get you to come,
back because we've spent a ton of time on the
topic title of the, book but we really haven't done
a much a discussion on really the subtitle of the,
book which kind of takes us on a hard ninety

(01:20:33):
in a different, direction which is how Secret society is
and the descendants of The. Giants because we've covered the
giants very. WELL i think at this point plan to enslave.
Humankind SO i want to kind of spend the last
little bit of time kind of starting going down that,
road and THEN i guess we're just going to dart
and have to have you come back and talk about
probably more of. It so go ahead and make that
right hand turn for us and talk about how we

(01:20:54):
go from what we've talked about into some of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
That, so AS i was adding in in book, One
Polytheistic counsel around The, world Because i'm a mythology and
history buff as, WELL i kind of thought That christians
might need some. Context so THEN i had to learn
all about these other, religions you. KNOW i had to
read all of The, VEDAS i had to read The gnostic,
SCRIPTURES i had to read the popol vu you name,

(01:21:17):
IT i read. It SO i was giving context to
the polytheist cultures around the. World and it's the same,
pantheon by the, way it's just different vernacular names to
the same. Pantheon and it's this root religion that goes
back into Two. Genesis and AS i was researching, THAT

(01:21:38):
i understood the creation of The Seven sciences and the
creation of the sun worshiping bulk cult BY enochx and
Of cain is in this sort of intermixture of this,
religion and that when they decided to develop this, knowledge
they needed to develop schools that became known as The Mystery,
schools where they taught the first two CLASSES i talked

(01:21:59):
about earlier in the, show the extended family of The
royales of The sons Of, god The sons Of heaven
as they're called around the, world and that they were
going to only educate the royals and out of the mystery.
Schools as they were developing disciplines to develop some of,

(01:22:23):
this they develop, organizations and they became not only initiatory
with the, religion but initiatory within the, schools an initiatory
within these sub organizations that become secret. Societies so just
as we see secret societies and initiatory organizations on university campuses,

(01:22:44):
today everything from simple ones that say like An Alpha
house or, whatever or to the skull of bones of
The Ivy, league which is the upper level of these initiatory.
Organizations that's the beginning of secret. Societies AND i learned
that WHEN i understood that the secret societies take their

(01:23:05):
beginnings back to the patriarchs of The Old, testament but
of The cane line Of caine being a, Patriarch enoch
being a, patriarch and That lomecha of the can, line
And nama And jubel And jubal And Tubal, caine and

(01:23:27):
that these are their greatest patriarchs before the, flood and
they created these secret societies of The royales and the
Ancient masons were all. Royales what we see today of let's,
say organizations Like, freemasonry or The illuminati or The, rosicrucians for,

(01:23:49):
example are lower levels of The masonic. Bloodlines lower trunk,
organizations AS i like to call, them as part of
the plemic tree of organizations that's shaped like a evergreen
tree From Mount. Herman their, terminologies their hierarchy, structure not.

(01:24:09):
Mine and so ONCE i understood that secret societies began
in the time of the creation of, giants THEN i
understood why you have to be invited to these secret,
societies because you have to be of the. Bloodline and
so the higher up you go in the secret, societies
the more pure your bloodline. Is but they have the

(01:24:31):
same account of, prehistory but just seen from a polytheist.
Lens they have the same understanding of end time, prophecy
just a different. Outcome and so we need to understand
the polytheis lens in terms of how the world, works
what they, did what they're doing, today and why they

(01:24:54):
want to bring out bring about a rendezvous with. Destiny
that's the end, time and they wanted to do it
before the ordained. Time but their secret societies were well
functioning before the, flood according to their history and the,
polychronicon and that's their oral history that was later written.
Down we don't see the full published version of the

(01:25:17):
full size. Stack we also see it With Albert mackie
And Adaptive freemasony writing down the history in a book
that he wrote in the eighteen hundreds of about the
history Of freemasonry and all the different versions that they
have on the different. Aspects and as we start to
understand this, connection we need to know that this is

(01:25:38):
part of the whole organizational structure that was before the.
Flood so you have the giants who usurp all of
the kingships around the. World they impose This enochian mysticism
all over the. World then they. Teach they established the
mystery schools and the secret societies all over the. World

(01:26:01):
and this is the organizational structure that paraded humankind into
destruction in terms of what we see ending up in the.
Flood but left to its, own guys would have probably
destroyed the world by, fire except, that AS i said,
earlier as reserved for the end, time this belief system

(01:26:21):
crosses the flood and what they do in their history
according to The Secret societies is they write the directions
to where all their knowledge is written down in thirty,
six five hundred and twenty five, books That, enoch creator
of the sun, worship creator of, astrology creative of all
the things that we use for the calendars with the
sun worship Versus, enoch son Of, jared which would have

(01:26:44):
been on the lunar. Calendar all of this knowledge is
written in thirty six five and twenty five. Books, yes
a solar number stacked in nine, vaults stacked on top
of each, other underneath the great pyramid that The Secret society,
say we're used from the knowledge That enoch, developed and

(01:27:06):
they write the directions to this bank of knowledge on two.
Pillars one will decide will survive a destruction by fire
and one will will survive a destruction by a. Flood
and in polytheism you have ages where you have alternating
kind of destructions of fire and. Water just as we're

(01:27:28):
moving into the age Of aquarius and the water bearer
that has the destruction by, fire which is why they're
feverishly working to bring about the end. Time and so
obviously it's the one buy that's going to float that
a fellow by the name Of hermes Or, harmines as
he's called in The polychronicon in The history Of, freemasonry
finds the, pillar finds the, knowledge takes it to a

(01:27:51):
fellow by the name Of, nimrod who develops this, knowledge
teaches a thousand mass uses that knowledge to Build babel
city and. Tower and we're told in The babel account
In genesis eleven that as one people acting with one,
language any nothing that they decide to do will be
prevented from them. Doing this is a reflection of that

(01:28:13):
knowledge and that he. Initiates nimrod initiates a Thousand masons
and writes the first constitution after the flood for The Royal,
masons and he's recognized as the First Grand. Master nimrod
is recognized as the first Grand master writing the first
constitution after the flood for ancient Royal. Masonry we need

(01:28:39):
to understand the inter relationship of the giants and secret
societies with us to understand the secret societies of today
and what they were trying to do before the. Flood
it's best encapsulated in a couple of accounts in. Prehistory
so you have in The atlantean, tradition you Have poseidon

(01:29:01):
who produces Through clido a human, female ten demigod kings
that rule Over, atlantis that's the one destroyed by the,
flood and they're trying to spread The atlantean, religion which
is the same religion as An okan, mysticism all around the,
world and they're trying to do it by. War they

(01:29:22):
have an Antidiluvian antichrist type, figure likely in The allegory
Of orion as you get it coming down Through greek,
mythology that is trying to bring about a golden age
of one universal religion that's not From god and ruled

(01:29:44):
by the demigods who worship The. Pantheon that's prevented from.
Happening nimrod has the same, power introduces the same religion
after the. Flood this is what happens in the end.
Time and understand that the Word babylon for the, religion
and it's more than just a, religion But babel in
The New testament and book a. Revelation Or i'll just

(01:30:04):
leave it there because the other one's going to open
up another. Door we don't have time to go. Down
babylon goes back in an, etymology that's used there To
babel as being the source word out Of hebrew And
babel Of nimrod who imposed mysticism on all of The
Noah heights as an Anti christ wannabe figure one hundred

(01:30:25):
and one years after the. Flood, well let me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Try to unpack all. That it's so crazy because there it's,
like you, know you have to feel like this, too
and you've done. It you've done it years and years
and years of study, too obviously to file a lot
of this. Away but there is so much to unpack
because we're looking back through literally what six thousand plus
years of human history now to try to unravel. This

(01:30:53):
and especially like you and, Me ben's. Different he was
lucky he was raised in a stronger faith in church
because his father's our, pastor and his father's always done
a good job of really getting into a lot of these.
Things So i'm always envious of him and his. Upbringing
but for you AND i that have come through the
more modern church, system you've got all of this debris

(01:31:14):
field that you have to try to like sift through
to try to find the wormhole to go down to
get this stuff from the past to make it make.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Sense but and you and you have to understand their
arguments within the church against you so that you can
take those arguments.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
On.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah because you know a lot of the well, versed,
right and and some of these if you're depending on
who you're arguing, with, right if you're arguing with someone
who is embedded in one of these secret sex, right secret,
societies you, know and they're they're versed in a lot of.
Things they're not. Dumb so you need to be able

(01:31:55):
to be well armed in order to combat against.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
That, yeah and try recognize some of the tactics that
that the arguments are. Used if it's somebody who's just,
Said i'm you, KNOW i believe What i've been taught
in the, church And i'm making all of these, arguments
they're going to eventually recognize somewhere, along maybe not, all
but most they and they may just SAY i may

(01:32:19):
agree to, disagree that's, fine That's. Christian but if they
are of a polytheist nature or one of the gnostic,
moles they're going to use to chase the rabbit. Argument,
yeah and people will recognize. This this is my, term
AND i think it's the right one BECAUSE i want
to they never rebut your argument of their first well

(01:32:42):
what about? This, Right and they just move on and
say well what about? That and they try and take
you down another rabbit, hole, Right and when you werebot,
that then they say well what about? This but they
never recognize or depend their original. Position, yeah recognize that's
the tactic of the. Polytheists they're just trying to get
you into a point where they finally raise one that

(01:33:05):
you don't have an understanding. Of Then i'll, say, Well
i'll use that even THOUGH i couldn't rebut anything that
you said. Before don't fall for. That WHAT i try
and do Is i'll, say, okay you're Playing chase The.
Rabbit i'll. Play i'll play three or four times or
whatever you want to play with them for and go
around there once you get there and SAY i told
YOU i would play three or four, times AND i

(01:33:25):
told you that if you couldn't rebut any of my,
arguments this would come to an. End so this is
my last. Comment don't let them keep going. Forever because
they've been. Trained they have these lists of things that
they have that they're looking in front of, them knowing
that Most christians who have not read The bible enough
to know the. Difference so different tactic than somebody who

(01:33:47):
is Actually christian who may just agree to disagree because
they're not maybe not ready to have that, information but
they're listening at.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Least, yeah it's like a greyhound at the. Track you're
just chasing the.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
Bunny they'll, say never argue with an, idiot because they'll
drag you to your, level beat you with. Experience they're.
Professionals don't fight with the. Professionals SO i, guess you,
know to kind of wrap things up for the. Day last,
question and again love to have you back to talking
about this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
More do you see that the tentacles of the secret
societies are the ones that are really in control nowadays
and pulling the puppet strings on everything that we basically.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Have, oh absolutely they. Do so let's use as an
example of The World Economic forum and The Dabbos. Crew
they answer into the committee of three hundred up The tholembic.
Tree that's committee of three hundred. Families, right we need
to understand. That and it's above The, rosicrucians it's above the,

(01:34:50):
illuminati it's above. FREEMASONRIES i go down The tholembic, tree
trunk and they have all of these branch organizations that
intersect into these trunk, organizations and SO Imf World, bank
anything to do with, Trade WORLD Wt, Ocean World Health

(01:35:13):
organization likely goes in. There it could fit into a
couple other. Ones but and if we understand that they control,
everything because they have control of all the, money we have,
no you just we can't even imagine how much money they.
Have that's off the books that stored away In switzerland

(01:35:33):
that they established for, banking, well The vatican banking is
In switzerland. Too all that they got control of by
that through The Montesa, order which had order formed to
hold the templar assets In spain by The king Of
spain that in the fifteen hundreds is run by a

(01:35:56):
Grand master of The Montesa order Named Francis, borgia who
Sponsors ignatius Of. Loyola borgia is one of the black nobility.
Popelines by the, way he has grandparents and that are,
popes and he Bails ignatius out of. Jail he His
vatican influence to get them sponsored into an, order becomes A,

(01:36:18):
jesuit becomes the third grand master in fifteen sixty, five
partners with The king Of spain who he was part
of The court of, before and they start doing wars
with The vatican to bankrupt Them vatican. Surrenders they get
control over the banking through The. Jesuits that's part of that,

(01:36:41):
settlement and Then francis moves the banking To switzerland and
The rothschilds are also located, there so they've centralized. That
but we need it's really important to understand that that
is a order that is a derivative of The Knights.

(01:37:02):
Templar The Knights templar was the central organization for all
the modern lower trunk orders that we have to this,
day so that they wouldn't have all of that centralizing
to be taken down in one complete. Swope and all
of the Original Knights templar founders Were, royales even the

(01:37:23):
Two substercian, monks because why they populate all of the
priests class as, possible and at that time all of
them were of the elite that were so they had
Two substercian monks that were in, there and subsertion monks
Were gnostic monks molded into the church, anyways and they
were blood relatives of other members of the Founding Knights,

(01:37:47):
templar and that's just the modern wedge of The Royale mason.
Organization so when they talk About, masons unless they're talking
just using terms that they don't know what they're talking,
About mason is the term for the Ancient. Masons The Royal.
Masons freemasonry is founded after the fall of The templars

(01:38:12):
and populates the lowest level or the first level of,
adept which is third degree on The york right and
divided eleven times is the newer version of The Scottish,
right which is a thirty three degree. Adept illuminati is above.
That then you have The rosicrucians in the tronk. Quorder
then you have The committee of three, hundred then you
have The council of thirty three, families where the name

(01:38:33):
The Invisible ones come and they're the ones who are
trying to restructure the templars after the. Fall actually get
close in thirteen, seventeen but there's a falling out where
they poison the pope and they're going to have to
go with a decentralized location until they get the new.
Templars The jesuits back in the, church and then above
The council of thirty three families are the thirteen. Families

(01:38:54):
that's The western, bloodlines and there are other bloodlines around the.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
World this is it's just it's it's head, swimming how
how VAST i DON'T i think WE i think we
kind of know, it we sense, it we feel. It
we may even know some of. It but it's literally
just so vast and so head. Swimming and the other thing, too,

(01:39:18):
is you, know obviously it's our mission to fight the
good fight while we're here and while we're you, know
still on the earth and all these. Things but it's
easy to, see you know how clearly as we get
closer to the end. Times which is the last question
THAT i want to ask you, today just to get your.
Take we typically do this with everybody here that we
have on the, show and if you feel comfortable answering

(01:39:40):
by all, means and if, not that's fine. Too but you,
know you can just feel that this is becoming more
and more overt. Too you used to kind of like
hide behind the, scenes but now it's becoming more and
more in your face and more and more. Overt they
hide less and, less you, KNOW i, mean my, goodness
they meet every year In, Davos, switzerland right like right
in front of our. Face they come out and they,

(01:40:02):
say by twenty thirty you will own nothing and you'll
be happy about.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
Yep you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Know they don't hide any of. This so when you
look at all this in totality and then you compare
it to scripture and What christ said and revelation and,
everything how much longer do you think we have before
the curtain gets drawn?

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Here. Yeah so there's a generation that we're told about
By jesus and it's called the fig tree, generation and
it's an overarching sign to his oration that he provides
for the exact chronological order of the main events In
matthew twenty, Four mark, thirteen look, seventeen and look twenty.

(01:40:41):
One and we know it's chronological order because he, says
and then this, happens and then this. Happens that's The
greek word. Tode it means exactly, that don't let anybody
tell you otherwise That he's given you the chronological, order
separated in the middle by the, abomination and then advises
you to go look Up, daniel so you understand the

(01:41:02):
timing and the meaning of that. Event and so when
we look at the Fig tree. Generation this is an
overarching sign of one of three provided in his oration
to help you guide yourself in. It the other two
are the birth pangs or the, sorrows which gets stronger

(01:41:23):
and with the same catastrophes throughout That Fig tree, generation
even so much so that even the catastrophes that we
will think will be apocalyptic because we don't know The
bible well, enough won't even be enough for The Seal,
judgments which is twenty five percent destruction of everything on the,
earth including. People so we could get a war that

(01:41:43):
could kill ten percent of the, population and we would
think that would be, apocalyptic and it would seem like
that to. Us and so you have, wars rumors of, wars.
Pestilence you also have famine and, earthquakes and they're going
to get, stronger and they're all. Contrived it's brought on
by those who rule this, world the counsel of the,

(01:42:05):
gods the invisible, ones by their spurious offspring through the
divine right to, rule the royales that rule, today that
want to have this rendezvous with. Destiny, yeah, Right so
they're going to bring this on and they want to
do it before the ordained, time so they have to
do contrived. Things so when we get the false, prophets

(01:42:27):
they can prophesize catastrophes because they're going to cause, them
and they're using that angelic technology to do it that
we're just catching up to that was just before the,
flood because we can't do things that they could do
before the, flood like CHANGE. Dna that's part of The
chakov ruined Destroy they ruin THE dna of all the

(01:42:50):
animals and most of the humans and the plant. Genomes
that's part of the whole understanding of The days Of,
noah which is the second and third or now on
the third, overarching and in book two actually do The
days Of noah as a full chapter to show you
how that can mean a generation or the years of

(01:43:11):
and how it's used in end time prophecy to talk
about a specific generation and the events that happened in those,
generations which is more than just a violence that people
just like to say it's violence and. Godlessness, yes it's. That,
yes it's the. Violence and by the way the violence
was taught was caused by the fallen angels and as

(01:43:31):
they passed on that knowledge to the giants As azel
in The book Of, enoch not from, scripture but additional
context that provides a little bit of. Explanation here taught
all the arts and crafts of war to their, offspring
and that included the technology to build things like the
Pyramids machu peach, you things that we can't do. Today

(01:43:52):
just to keep it sort of, short and that the
days Of noah we need to. Understand and those are
the exact words that we're used In genesis nine twenty
nine to describe what the generation Of, noah which was
six hundred years before the flood in three hundred and
fifty years after the. Floods we have to understand both
sides and also understand giants were on both sides of the. Flood,

(01:44:13):
yeah and that he Uses sodom And gomorrah in the
lot version as well as The days Of noah as
that transition from a destruction by water to the destruction of.
Fire that is the damage that's going to be caused
by the angelic technology where no flesh would be saved
except That jesus steps. In so we're there's a specific,

(01:44:37):
generation a. Fig three. GENERATION i don't think it's six
hundred and fifty years Of noah because we don't have those.
Generations it was reduced to one hundred and twenty years
In genesis sixty, three and we know it's one hundred
and twenty years because the math doesn't work between the
Time noah starts his commission goes on the on the
arc is only one hundred. Years and The hebrew doesn't

(01:44:57):
say that was the meaning of the time that the
spirit would dwell in human and take that back To.
Hebrew you understand this is an elimination of the body living. Forever,
right our human spirits go to sleep and back to
heaven according To, ecclesiastics and the demonic, spirits which our counterfeit,

(01:45:22):
spirits don't go to, sleep but they're not permitted into.
Heaven they're either going to the pit, prison wandering the,
earth or somehow they get into Shay ol And, hades
which is their belief system that if you have enough
knowledge you can get. There but with the days Of
noah as a, GENERATION i would look at three numbers

(01:45:43):
forty as the wilderness number of a generation in the
wilderness seventy as The book Of psalms talks, about or
one hundred and twenty years In genesis, six and then
you have to know what the fig tree generation. Is And,
judah without getting into too much, detail is understood as

(01:46:05):
the fig tree An Old testament allegory Of god's garden
and is said to be figs in the fig, tree
just as the vine is the allegory for the Northern
kingdom Of israel that will awaken in the last seven.
Years and so When jesus is on his way to the,

(01:46:27):
temple he is going to kill a fig tree after
eating a fruit because he says it's no longer bearing good.
Fruit so he uses that as an. Analogy and the
people Of, judah The southern kingdom at the, time they
know who he's talking. About and then he goes in
and talks about he's going to have the temple is

(01:46:50):
going to be, destroyed, right and then from there he
goes on and gives the after the disciples asked, for
he gives the oration of the end. Time so the
fig tree, generation when you see it in bloom or in,
leaves then you know that that's the. Generation so there's
one specific godless generation as The book Of timothy talks, about,

(01:47:14):
right kind of it's pretty. Accurate you could fit that
over on our generation quite, Easily so, sure what when
do you use that as the start of the Fig tree?
Generation and because we had we have The Southern kingdom
back in The land of The, covenant so they swore

(01:47:36):
their independence in nineteen forty. Seven but one of the
other criteria is is that The Southern kingdom needs to
be in control Of. Jerusalem they get that in nineteen sixty.
Seven SO i think we might be in that Fig tree.
Generation and IF i was to pick, one that's WHAT

(01:47:57):
i would use for information to say that would start that.
Generation if it's forty, years well we're into The masianic,
time as a lot of The Magianic jews believe we,
are and at the end of the Ten, jubilees which
was twenty, seventeen and into The majianic. Period but it

(01:48:17):
could be seventy, years which would mean the start of
the last seven years could start sometime after or into
the twenty. Thirties but if it's one hundred and twenty,
years we have ways to. Go but even if it's
one hundred and even if it is one hundred and twenty,
years you don't have to complete that whole generation Because
jesus steps in before everything is. Destroyed SO i think

(01:48:40):
we're in that Fig tree. Generation but we have a
long ways to.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Go.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Yet we don't have world. Government we have them talking about.
It we don't have the universal religion which has to
come first and the false prophets and be the thing
that actually is going to make the ability to have
the Ten kings. Come and by the, way nothing new
is under the. Sun atlantis had ten, kings just as

(01:49:08):
you have ten toes And daniel. Two you have the
Ten horns And daniel, seven the Ten kings And horns
And revelation, twelve thirteen and. Seventeen and just as you
have The club Of, rome which answers into The committee
of three hundred and some say into The council of
thirty three through the senior level of the, order have

(01:49:31):
the world divided up into ten groups or, empires just
as The United nations has done. That they're trying to.
Create Francis bracon's A Rosicrucian New, atlantis that that allegory
of The New atlantis or The New age is the

(01:49:52):
revisiting or the regeneration of that New age Or hitler's
thousand year right year. Rate it's a counterfeit thousand year
reign in polytheism that they want to bring about before
the advent Of jesus. Coming otherwise they're not going to
be able to deceive, us and so expect to counterfeit

(01:50:13):
armageddon as. Well That antichrist takes credit for it to
kind of fulfill part of that. Pedigree so we have
that to be. Fulfilled you have this major stumbling block
of sacrifices being done on a wing or an extremity
or overspreading of the, temple as it's described In daniel,

(01:50:35):
nine That antichrist enshrines as part of those last seven
years in the end Time daniel nine twenty, six where
it talks about the time of the. End that's The
hebrew word cats that means the last, days the end.
Time so that last seven years has been, reserved when
all vision and prophecy is going to be fulfilled and
we get the introduction of righteousness or the reign Of

(01:50:57):
jesus for the true. Millennium and in the middle of
that is when the abomination. Happens and so we have
that last seven years that has a set, time but
we don't know exactly when that's going to kick. Off
BUT i think that coincides with about the timing of
the opening of the seals as, well and one of the,

(01:51:20):
things and we don't have time to go into it,
today but understand that The book Of revelation is the
testimony Of jesus just says he's the spirit of prophecy
and the word Of god of prophecy that was given
to an angel to provide a vision To john that
he went to see in. Spirit revelation has to fit

(01:51:45):
perfectly With jesus's oration In matthew twenty, Four mark, Thirteen
luke seventeen and twenty. One it has to he would
not contradict himself and it's his testimony that he's, provided
and it does if you understand how to break up.
Revelations AND i would encourage people to look at the

(01:52:06):
churches as the first. Piece and there's also some prophecies
that are put in with the blessings to the churches
that aren't fulfilled to the end. Time it's kind of
like one of the dual prophecies of The Old, testament
part of a vision, prophecy as well as in some
of The daniel. Prophecies it's got the same mos of
that some of the things that haven't been. Fulfilled so

(01:52:30):
just that people don't know That i'm talking through my,
hat is that you have ten days of tribulation that
wasn't fulfilled in that period of. Time that's ten years of,
tribulation and that that happens before obviously an inclusive of

(01:52:51):
the tribulation of The saints that's recorded In revelation, seven
which is distinct from The great tribulation that's talked about
In matthew twenty, six for, example where it says, tribulation
and then he's talking about also tribulation In matthew twenty
four seven to, eight where it says. Affliction those words

(01:53:12):
both go back To, phillipsies same, word different, translation and
people will say while they were using it for this
because it's different than The great, tribulation and it's, all,
okay that's. Fine but you know in The book Of,
mark when it talks about the great tribulation and it's

(01:53:34):
exact same wording for the most, part except that it's
translated as, affliction it goes back To, Phillipses so it's
a great tribulation not seen since the. Beginning that also
Second peter three is talking, about and you have the
tribulation of The saints That jesus is talking about with
translated as affliction In matthew twenty four before the, abomination

(01:53:58):
and the same tribulation that's happening for the tribulation of
The saints that the first part of the resurrection sequence
where you have the first fruits who are martyred are
told to wait for three and a half years until
the complete first half is. Done so, anyways that was

(01:54:19):
going on in how you quickly sort of Understand. Revelation,
SORRY i got down that rabbit. Hole So revelation six
to fourteen is about the first three and a half. Years, yeah,
Okay and In revelation, fourteen starting in about verse, seven
you're going to get The angel preaching The Final gospel

(01:54:42):
Which jesus is talking about in before The abomination In
matthew twenty four that. Happens it also includes the two
witnesses that In revelation take three and a half years to,
finish just before the destruction Of. Babylon and you also
have one hundred and forty four thousand that are shown

(01:55:02):
in fourteen one through about, seven which are shown as
First fruits in. Heaven as the completion of The First fruits,
resurrection and It's christ the First, fruits and then when
he comes those who sleep and those who are still
alive as part of that resurrection. Sequence and then after
The angel preaches that, gospel As matthew, says as has

(01:55:26):
said In matthew By, jesus then the end will. Come
that's the great, tribulation that's after the. Abomination then you
get a summary In revelation fourteen of the major events
of the last three and a half, years beginning with
the destruction Of, babylon which happens first as recorded in
detail In revelation, seventeen by the Ten kings or hand

(01:55:46):
their power over To Anti christ who rules for three
and a half years In revelation. Thirteen and then you
get the introduction of the mark of The Anti christ
that's recorded in the detail In revelation. Thirteen you have The,
harvest which is The armageddon war that Happens revelation. Nineteen
and so you get that, lineage and that's the same

(01:56:07):
lineage that and chronologies that has shown In matthew twenty,
Four luke seventeen and twenty. One so don't let people
just fool. You you can line things up and WHEN
i found when you put everything around What jesus said
versus vice versa or vice, versas some people, say you
take away all the. Contradictions everything, fits even The Old,

(01:56:31):
Testament and if you want to understand, it you just
have to believe what a redeemer. Said and he wouldn't
make it so you couldn't understand. It he gave it
to us so we would. Understand and what we do
is we complicate it and try and use it to deceive.
People those two things derive at a whole bunch of different.

(01:56:53):
Things and it's okay to agree to disagree on. Prophecy
but one of the THINGS i try and do is
THAT i believe there can be no. Contradictions, yeah and
you cannot leave out inconvenient. Passages, Yeah and do not
try and reinvent what The bible. Says.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Yeah, YEAH i see that quite often. Myself so it's
one of those things like we talked about in the
very beginning of the. Show and it's a great place
for us to put the stop on, today which, is you,
know get in there and read for, yourself you, know
go Study god's, Word go Study christ's. Words In matthew
twenty four when he's you, know clearly talking about the end.
Times go in there and read for. Yourself and then you,
know everybody sees it every day when we turn on THE.

(01:57:32):
Tv we see what's going on around. Us there's no
doubt about. IT i know there's tilts and spins to
a lot of the, media but we can still see
the reality of what's going on around. Us, so But,
gary thanks so. Much, man really appreciate you coming on the,
show and we like to have you back to dive into. More, Man, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
Finish CAN i finish off with just one thing for
people to?

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
Think? Yeah please Do.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Yeah So i'm gonna throw out some names. Here these
are giant names recorded in The, bible and just give
people an. Idea and these aren't the hybrid. Giants so
you have like The, emine you have the. Anachem and
notice Using i'm using the im. Plural AND i explain
that in the book to why you Don't, usetes Hees

(01:58:14):
as And israelites aren't. Giants some of the etes are.
Hybrids but BUT i am is the plural that was
used in ancientology and in some of the names in The.
Bible but you have the emin The, anachem The, horem
and The avime that are talked about In deuteronomy. Too
you also have The. Hvm you have The, herem and

(01:58:38):
you have The. Horem you have the. Perizmee you have The.
Amalachem you have The, zuzem you have The. Zamzuzine you
have The, gesheram The, gerzem the maka, theme The, kenizine The,
kennem the Cadman, eame The chera, theme The, kaftm and
The casualin and The jebbilin just the name AND i
haven't named them, all all giant nations that are recorded

(01:59:00):
after The, bibe after the after the flood in The,
bible and in book, TWO i show you how you
know their giants AND i take them back to their
patriarch and some of them to their to their eponymously
Named Slashtial mafia.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
Godfather, well for those of you out there who want
some information on how to Get gary's works and these,
WOULD i would highly recommend you pick these books up
for a lot of detailed information we talked about. Today
you have The genesis Six conspiracy and then you have
The genesis Sixth Conspiracy part. Two thank You, vana that's

(01:59:35):
very appreciative of. You and then if you want to
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Website gary's page is actually already. UP i already made
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when this episode comes, out you can actually get it.
There so if you go to THE tfhc dot com
forward Slash guests and you click On gary's, page you

(01:59:55):
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Our amazon affiliate, links which actually helps him out and the,
Show so by all needs go.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
There, yeah and if you want the digital version off my,
website there's a link To amazon for the kindle version of,
both and Shortly i'll have a link up for the audible.
Version for book, one we finally got an audible version
done after many attempts and failures and cost overruns and
things like. That so it's available Through Amazon audible now

(02:00:25):
and also through, iTunes and it's narrated By Nel. Jackson
it just came out about a month, ago and they're
working on book. Two that's going to be a little bit.
Longer Mil jackson unfortunately is recovering from redlining three times
with heart attacks and an out of body experience and

(02:00:46):
so we're praying for him to come to. Health AND
i needed somebody who could understand the apocrypha ancient. Words
and as difficult as book one was to, do book
two is even more. Difficult so read, yes so hoping
that will be out Before. Christmas but people have been

(02:01:08):
asking me for years for book, one and so many
people have, tried but they start into it and they just,
say we. Can't it's just too difficult of a project
and we can't do. It so we finally got it
done and hopefully people will enjoy the audible version very.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
Much, gary thanks so much. Man we appreciate you coming
on my.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Pleasure.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
Yeah, absolutely and with that we will bid you ado
until next time on the. Foil take, care o

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