The Origins of Easter

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Well, just bluntly put, guys, this is a pagan holiday.
No matter how much the Church tries to convince you
of something else, it is a pagan holiday. Christ did
not rise on this particular day. This is a fabrication
of the Catholic Church. When you go back far enough,
it actually.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Goes back to the Council of Nicea and like three
hundred and something AD. I don't remember what exactly it was.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
The church pretty much got let off the chain around
three hundred AD, and then this was just a continued.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Corruption that happened inside of the church. So that's exactly
where this comes from. While it is still an important.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Event, there's nothing more sacred to us in our faith
than the day that Christ actually rose from the dead,
because that put the final seal on death.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Death is no more.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
The journey was fulfilled at that particular point, and now
we have the gateway that we do to be right.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
With the Father. Yea. But yeah, this is as pagan
as pagan gets. I think we all get the feeling
that's something just isn't right in the world. Welcome fellow

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Speaker 2 (05:25):
Have decided to talk about today given the fact that
today is actually Easter, so it is Easters Resurrection Sunday,
Resurrection Sunday according to the Church. But we wanted to
get into that today and actually share with you guys
a little bit more about that, because well, just bluntly

(05:47):
put guys, this is a pagan holiday, no matter no
matter how much the church tries to convince you of
something else, it is a pagan holiday. Christ did not
rise on this particular day, all right. This is a
fabrication of the Catholic Church.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
When you go back far enough, it actually goes back
to the Council of Nicea and like three hundred and
something AD I don't remember what exactly it was the
church pretty much got let off the chain around three
hundred AD, and then this was just a continued move
forward of some of the corruption that happened inside of
the church. So that's exactly what this comes from. But yes,

(06:24):
I'm sorry to tell you, while it is still an
important event, we obviously do, there's nothing more sacred to
us in our faith than the day that Christ actually
rose from the dead because that put the final seal
on death. Death is no more and we actually have
a resurrected Savior and the journey was fulfilled at that
particular point, and now we have the gateway that we

(06:46):
do to be right with the Father and get back
into heaven and have eternity with him someday. But yeah,
this is as pagan as pagan gets, Yeah it is.
It is pagan o pagan. So yeah, again, it goes
back to the Council of Nicee. It all the things
that you typically see with this, you know, the Easter bunny,

(07:09):
all these things. We're going to get into that today.
We're going to do some sharing today with some information
and that's really what we want to get into.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
But ultimately this goes back to ish Tar and I
know I've watched a video this week where some dude
was like, no, no, no, no, it has nothing to do
with ishtar. It goes back to the king and they
had something with eggs and they would hard boil the
eggs because the eggs wouldn't keep. And I'm like, eggs
keep for Like ever, what are you talking about, bro?

(07:37):
That's interesting. Yeah, I don't know what it was, but
it was like, no, it has nothing to do with ishtar. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
It ultimately at the root of it absolutely goes back
to pagan traditions and pagan roots, and ishtar is one
of those pagan traditions and pagan roots. Sorry, but it's
just a case.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to remember. There's only one.
Like we really didn't get growing up, get into like
the festivities which the well, my dad, if you know
my dad, you know he was a anti pagan anything,

(08:16):
as he should be. So as a pastor especially, he
would let people know that and he would always say
it tongue in cheek. Two. Well, especially for him coming up,
you know, he had to be careful or he would
be run out of the church. Yes, and he would
he was like, this is not it's like Christian's pagan. Yeah,

(08:37):
Easter's pagan. So it was like, I don't ever remember
doing any celebration, Yeah, I mean other than getting with family. Yeah,
that's pretty much what we did today, you know, and
I'm not one too. If you do, I mean, it's
like you do Easter, might as well do all the others, right, Christmas?

(08:59):
Oh no, boy, now we're gonna get figured. We were
going to get into that today. Halloween, Yep, the very pagan,
completely pagan, that's like obviously pagan Flag Day. Why not. Yeah,
It's like I was sitting here thinking and I'm like,
I'm going through the holidays and I'm like, what all
holidays are actually pagan? And like Valentine's Day, I don't know,
if you go back far enough, I would think that's
probably a I don't know, if it's pagan would surprise me,

(09:21):
considering it's Saint Valentine and anything Saint typically has to
do with Catholic Church, which any any kind of I mean,
I can't think of anything wrong with Thanksgiving, no other
than the fact that we decided to celebrate. But there's
a great I love the thing about Thanksgiving is one
of my favorite lines in any movie ever. Is the
movie Maverick with Mel Gibson. Okay, yeah, you know what

(09:43):
I'm talking about. And James Carner's you know, and winds
up being his dad, I think. But he's very pro Indian, right,
He's friends with the Indians, right, And I think that
people are you know what I'm talking about, People are
bashing on the Indians. And he pipes up and kind
of tongue in tongue in cheek goes, yeah, shame on
them be an our land before we got here. Yeah.

(10:04):
I was like, yeah, absolutely, man, shame on them for
being an ur land before we got here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Man, it's all. It's all got pagan roots and pagan traditions.
So when you dig into it far enough, that's absolutely
what's going on. And as we talked today, we'll pull
some stuff up. But yes, ish Tar and if you
are not familiar, you know ish Tar is also in Samerian.
This is Anana, right, who is a promin Mesopotamian goddess

(10:31):
associated with love, war, and fertility. Okay, and I'll throw
this on the screen so everybody can can have fun
with us here. So let me share my screen and
throw ish Tar up here, So yeah, there you go.
So there she is the pagan goddess in herself and
obviously Samaran. Now when you get into when you get

(10:52):
into the who came first the chicken or the yeah, right,
when you get into that, it winds up becoming with
the Samerians first, or with the Jewish, with the Jews first,
which which one is has older tradition, which one was first?

(11:14):
And a lot of the people in that are are
non biblical, right, And I don't know how they come
up with this. They like to say that the Samerians
are older than the Jewish culture. And that's where we get,
you know, the Anonaki and all of these things. They
came down, these aliens from another world came down and
they visited, and that's where we get all of the

(11:37):
stuff that we get, you know today, is from the Ononaki,
the gods that visited from another world and made human
kind and then they left us and then they just
come and check on us like we're some pets in
a terrarium or something.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
And and when you go back far enough and you
actually do the research, it actually takes you back back
further than that. And the records in the Jewish culture
and the Hebrew go back further than the Samerians. Samerians
didn't really, in my opinion, even exist until after the flood.

(12:13):
And obviously Jewish.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Culture ultimately at its root right, goes back to pre flood.
We go back to Adam, and then you know, the
Samerians have their own culture and stuff. So but yeah,
Byron actually made a comment here. I'll throw it on
the screen. Paganism and Christianity are both based off the skyclock. Skyclock.
You would have to elaborate on what you mean there,
unless Bend knows I'm not probably constellations. Yeah, yeah, and

(12:41):
that that.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Is if that's what you're referring to, Byron, that is
absolutely correct because one of the first things, and I
mean one of the it was like, the first thing
that was done to throw everybody off of God's calendar
was got was the changing of God's calendar. Yeah, and
to pull everyone and off of that so that we
would lose track of feasts and festivals and basically communion

(13:04):
with God.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
You know, it's true.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, And if you want to know, like if it's
so funny, because if you want evidence of like Christian
being pagan, well, Okay, let me ask you this. When
was passover, it was literally like the week prior to
what we are now celebrating at Easter. Yeah, so Christ
would have actually risen last Sunday. Yeah, and yet now

(13:29):
we're celebrating a week later. You know this, So he says,
Byron says astrology. So yeah, when you go back far
enough too, which makes a lot of sense because I
don't know, Byron if you've ever watched the show before,
but one of the things we've talked about is that's
one of the things that when you go back and
you actually dig into your Bible and you can read
is we especially when we got off the boat. The

(13:50):
boat we found technology or watcher information that took them
right back to worshiping all of that stuff. And that's
exactly where we get the Samerian culture and all of
the Mesopotamian area and everybody with that came from there
was basically doing the same exact stuff that they were
doing prior to the flood, which is worshiping every god

(14:12):
and all these other things. But you know, the god
of heaven that's true, which I think Ishtar actually is
associated with Venus. Yeah, yeah, which okay, here's another one
for you, and I'll bring the screen back up again
so we can dive into this a little bit. So
this may or may not be familiar to you, but

(14:32):
a few things here that you can read, just even
on good old goog al. She is the Goddess of love, war,
and fertility, okay, multifaceted deity embodied embodying both the passionate
nature of love and the destructive force of war, as
well as being associated with fertility. So she's known as

(14:53):
the Queen of Heaven.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Okay. And symbolism for her is an eight pointed star.
All right. So let's just go and have some fun here,
and we'll look up what an eight.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Point in star looks like, and I will share this
tab and you can see here this is often associated.
It's known as an octagram.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
It's geometric figure with eight points formed by two squares
intersecting at their vertices.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, It's a type of star polygon. This is typically
associated as the star of Bethlehem. The star of his
Shtar is also the star of Bethlehem. HM. The other thing, too,
is when you actually look at what the star of
David is, yea, that is also pagan. So I'll just

(15:50):
type that in here. So we have all of this
stuff here, okay, and it became a symbol of Judaism.
But when you go look at the actual history behind it, okay,
it's pagan. David did not have any star associated with him.
This is all pagan. Okay, it's it's it's it's not correct,

(16:15):
it's not biblical. Okay, you're not going to find any
of this stuff. And that's exactly what all this at
its root is about. Now. One of the other things, too, is.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Easter itself, okay, comes from I want to get this
right's here. Yeah, it's an it's an Anglo Saxon goddess.
So you've like, well, it's not Ishtar, it's just another goddess.
It's but but ultimately it's like it's like this continued rebranding.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, you know, of the same thing over and over again.
So you have Ishtar, and then someone takes it and
makes their own deity, and then someone takes that and
makes it their own deity, and it's like multiplicity. You
make copies of copies of copies, and then but if
you if you trace it back to its roots, it
comes back to Ishtarn actually probably goes back further than that,
to something that maybe we're not even familiar with, that

(17:11):
was probably even pre flood. Probably one of the angels
probably was. Yeah, so likely, yeah, more than likely. So
you can see here the name Easter, okay, for the
Christian celebration of Jesus' resurrection comes from the Anglo Saxon
goddess Eostre, who was honored in the spring. While the

(17:32):
Christian meaning of the holiday centered on the resurrection, the
word Easter itself has pagan roots, specifically connected with the
goddess of spring and dawn. I think Ishtar was actually
I think that might have been Nimrod's wife. Yeah, I
think I've heard this before too. Yeah well Innna, yeah, yeah,
which I think we actually said that that we did
read that. It's like a second ago was Anana, Yeah,

(17:54):
so yeah. Byron also says over here, Jesus is a
metaphor for the sun. Easter is the returner of the
solar year. Okay, and again Jesus I think is I
think I heard somewhere that Jesus is actually, uh, it's
kind of a Greek. We've pulled that out of the Greek.
Over time. Yeah, Like originally it wouldn't have been it
would have been Yeshua obviously back in Hebrew. So I think,

(18:17):
you know, if we've mangled that along the way somehow,
which that wouldn't surprise me, Byron, if we get in there,
the zen would be the one to be able to
tear that one in sixty million ways from Sunday. If
we had Zen Garcia here with us, we should have
invited him on this little journey today.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
He did had fun with this one. So yeah, all
of this stuff, you know when you go into this
and fertility, right, and here we just read the same
thing for Ishtar, Eostre was associated with spring fertility and
then new life season.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
As Christianity spread, the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus
became a line with the spring season, and the name
Easter was adopted, likely.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Due to the association with the goddess i Austra. Yeah,
because when Nimrod he was dismembered and like thirteen members
of his body was cut up and one very important
member was missing. Oh would that be his phallus? Yes,

(19:15):
his weekly winger. And that's why, like like the an
obelisk always had a reflecting pool pointed to the Capitol. Mmmm,
well that sounds familiar to me. Ben, Yes, it trials
an image to mind of something. So there's the world's

(19:35):
largest phalluses in Washington. So that's I'm getting ready with
a reflecting pool to the Capitol building. And what is
the what is the capital is the District of Columbia.
And that's another name for the goddess Columbia Columbia. I
was pulling this and that's her womb, the womb of isis. Yeah,

(19:58):
so here we go. We'll just pull this up for
the kids. So here we go. We'll share this so
you guys can see on the screen. So we're gonna
throw up on the screen. I know that you guys
are listening via the podcast, maybe not so much can
hear us. But we'll just go ahead and click on
this and we'll go to wickip go to Wikipedia here.
But yeah, you can see the Washington Monument in the pool. Yeah,

(20:21):
and then on the other end of it the Capitol Building.
And I think when you look down from the top
on Washington d C. Isn't it also arranged an eight
point I think it's an eight point and star. Also,
I thought it was a maybe it's a five point
of pentagram or so I thought it was a pentagram
hm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Which you know, obviously the founding fathers were Masons, so
so that doesn't surprise me. Lines and angles and yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna try. Yeah, it's really funny when
you look down from them. I mean that's like there's
no doubt about some of this when you actually go

(21:01):
look at it, you can see, you know, the pentagram here,
it's clearly designed and drawn into the into.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Washington d C. Washington d C was very pagan in
its creation. Yeah, because obviously Masonic stuff is pagan and
it's at its base. So Ellen G. White's Melissa over
here with the with the comment, I am not familiar
with this, so we might have to dive into this
a little bit. I'm getting all kerfluffled on my buttons. Here,
here we go. So she actually says Ellen G. White's

(21:32):
tombstone is an obelisk. Also, are you familiar with Ellen G. White?
Who that is? Yeah? I'm not either, Melissa. You might
have to educate us on Ellen G.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
White.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Let me see if I can pull her up really quick.
Ellen G. White and Melissa it's always good to see you.
Thank you so much for joining us. Looks like, is
this here her here her here man easy for me
to say, seventh oh, Seventh day Adventist Church. Okay, so
she was an author and co founder of the Seventh

(22:03):
Day of in his church. I go figure, huh, and
then I probably knew the name, but just.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, probably heard it along the way too. And then
of course, you know we have the the obelisk that
sits in Washington or not Washington but Central Park, Cleopatra's Needle.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, that's interesting too.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
And which was actually from Yeah, we'll pull a picture.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Of it here Egypt, from Egypt. Yeah, yeah, there you
go sitting around in Washington, Washington, d C. Now, anytime
you see any of these obelisks right here, that is
absolutely one hundred and fifty percent what they represent. They
represent the the male genitalia phallis and uh yeah, ultimately

(22:52):
that all comes to power and reproduction and yeah, it's crazy,
all kinds of stuff. Yeah, and we know, like we
go back far enough. A lot of people don't know this,
and I think maybe we talked about this in one
of our last shows. But you know, if you go
back far enough in the Bible, right, you actually can

(23:13):
trace like Egypt. Egypt was one of the names of
Ham's sons. That was one of Ham's sons. Yeah, and
so we can follow all of Ham's line and we
know that they got into all kinds of stuff, right,
that was part of that.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, so you know, all of Ham's sons got into stuff.
I want to say, some of Jafath's kids got into things.
And I can't remember who kind OF's line was. I
think that might have been Jayfath, but they got into
all of this sun worship and moon worship and celestial worship.
Basically they all got into celestial worship and then the

(23:48):
whole Mesopotamian area and what would effectively be the Promised
Land and then Egypt, that whole area became inundated with
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
And so that's when Abraham finally up and steps out
and says, no, I don't want to have anything to
do with this.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
God says, I like this cat. It can make something
of him. So that's when he chooses him and says,
I'm going to give you back the land that was
illegally taken from you in the first place. And then
you know we can read the rest of the story
in the Bible. So but yeah, all all of these
things kind of come back to longstanding pagan tradition, which
was in that you know, like brought into the church

(24:25):
via the Catholic Church. And now I want to say this,
We always say this any time we get into these things.
If you're Catholic, you're not a bad person. We're not
trying to say that. But what we are saying is
these are historical facts. So you can go back and
you can look them up about your church that you
belong to. Yeah, well, I mean all churches, Yeah, and
they have all and since we're all branches of Catholicism,

(24:48):
we all come from the same you know, corrupted rooted
tree and you know pretty much have this stuff. Now
I had a thought and it went away In that
said you got poofed. Yeah, it got poofed. That's been
happening a lot to me.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, Like I'm starting to starting to get a little worried,
y'all if you want to pray for me, because the
gears are starting to slip a little bit.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I'm like like common stuff here lately. I'm just like, man,
I'm just there's just so much going on and so
many different things. But but yeah, it's been kind of crazy.
So one thing, as as we always say, the people
we talked to and the lines that we are drawing
conclusion wise from we talked to this person, we talked

(25:31):
to that person, and it's all forming some kind of mosaic.
Yes it does. And as we were talking about the goddess,
what was it from Anglos Anglo saxon whatever, Uh, yeah,

(25:52):
it's Easter or whatever. And then we were the guy
we talked to a few weeks ago, that's does you
know the crop circles and things throwing back to show
if you didn't listen to live well, then you know,
given a little teaser for it. But you start dealing

(26:13):
with these things and they do give you a power,
and they give you a false sense of security and
a false sense of like I'm the one doing it
and you're not, and you're not. You're being controlled and
going this goes back to I hate to say, jen,

(26:35):
I mean, everything goes back to it always does, goes
back to Genesis six. Just one time I want to
say it, Yes, it goes back to do but it doesn't.
It doesn't. But for the fact that they came down
and then they were like, hey, guys, check this out.
And they empowered does people to do awful terrible things. Yes,
and they showed them things, and somewhere it's still an

(27:00):
the DNA of us. Yeah, I mean our dy. They've
said our DNA changed about that time, like ten and
that's a big change. Something happened then. And we're constantly
just opening the door and letting those things, those pagan
things back in, those evil things back in. And every

(27:24):
time we do a Easter service, a Christmas service, it's
just one more. They're just marking up one more, one
more tally mark, you know, and it doesn't matter what
we do. We do something, Oh there's one more boom
got them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, it's this constant warfare that we've talked to people
and that we've realized. I mean, my, you know, we
started this because we had a passion for spiritual warfare.
But I don't know about you, but you know, since
we started doing this two years ago almost you know,
we're coming up on there soon, not too many months.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
More way, but.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
The depth of that warfare for me, has just it's
gone beyond what I even thought was possible, what I
could even imagine the level of warfare, and all of
this stuff is part of that warfare. Yeah, you know,
and the things that you were just talking about. Sitting
over here laughing and I'm smiling because you know one
of the shows. We're going to do a show next

(28:21):
Sunday as well. Please do join us for a show
called Tearing the Veil. And really, what Ben just talked
about was all of the different ways while we wittingly
or unwittingly are working to tear the veil to allow
these entities to pass into our spiritual realm or from
the spiritual realm into our realm and physically interact with

(28:41):
us again, wittingly or unwittingly, whether you're doing it on purpose,
if you're a Satanist and you're actually doing a you know,
a ritual to try to make this happen, or you're
unwittingly doing it in the case with crop circles, don't
think we were in some instances knowing what we were
playing with.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
And the list just goes on and on, So join
us for that conversation next Sunday. You know, it goes
even further than that delicit taking of drugs like Hiahuasca
and you know DMT and all of these things where
we tear the veil in our mind to allow things
to pass through. Yeah. You know, we've had shows on
sleeping and what happens in our sleep with Vicky Joy Anderson.

(29:22):
It's just the depth of spiritual warfare to me is
just it's it's just insane. Yeah, which makes a lot
of sense. I mean, like I.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Had a conversation on Friday. It's a group you'd like
to go to. In the conversation, I basically just said
kind of what you just said of how we sit
at this intersection and the depth of the warfare goes
beyond anything we can understand and imagine. And really what
it boils down to is, you know, we have an
enemy that is thousands of years old, as far as

(29:53):
Earth years that we know of, right, I think this
We kick this off in six thousand years ago in
the garden roughly somewhere in that timeframe, and has been
at war with us ever since that time. So we
have an enemy that has perfected their warfare and their
art for their six that our heart's a bad way
to say it, but their warfare tactics. Maybe that's a
better way to say it, warfare tactics for six thousand

(30:14):
years art of warfare, I guess on us and I
think about it.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Just put it. Put it in this perspective for everybody.
This is what I said.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I said, Imagine if we, as America we wanted to
go to war with ex country, and I mean we
just went full on, pull out all the stops. Imagine
the things that we would do to them, cyber psychological,
you know, in doctrination. I mean just the things that

(30:46):
we would do, like let alone troops on the ground
and bombing you and all that, but all the other
stuff that we would do. I mean we've been perfecting
for years how to break a human mind. I mean
the conversation we had, you.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Know about satanic ritual worship or satanic ritual abuse and
how to break people out of that with Randy. Yeah, Randy,
doctor Randy Goodwin or sorry not not doctor Randy Goodwin.
Sorry I gave you an extra title, or Randy apologize
worthy of it, better than better than a lot of doctors.
We know you've been doing better work. But yeah, it's

(31:21):
just it's just incredible to me. Yeah, it is, you know,
and the and the depth of it and the church
is just completely catatonic. Yeah, my brother posted something on
Facebook the earlier today this morning about the Shroud. Oh terran, Yeah, yeah,

(31:42):
and he seems like he's maybe a believer in the Shroud.
Maybe it's when I read it, I was kind of like,
I kind of I said, you know, I've always I said,
I've always believed it was real, which which sucks because
we would we probably wouldn't balk in that if it
wasn't for the fact that the Catholic Church has done
so many other things as a money grab to deliberately lie.

(32:06):
I said, I believe that that it is real. You know,
there's a lot of things that I believe. I mean,
I can entertain any kind of thought, sure, you know,
but the fact that he died and he rose and
I think that is I think that was the I

(32:28):
don't want to say I want to say that was proof,
but that was left You're saying the shroud was proof.
That was yes, because ultimately, when you look at the Croud,
the one thing nobody can explain is how do we
have this basically like a image burst, yes, a burst
of light that is that is this image has almost

(32:48):
been instant flash burned on through some kind of almost
like they said it would take like a nuclear explosion
almost of energy in order to burn it just on
the surface of the fire. Yeah. Yeah, And a great
conversation with our friend Paul. Yeah. I had some great
ones with him on that because he's into that. Yeah,
and so it being that, and then I'm like, okay,

(33:12):
this is how my mind works. Okay, yeah, fine, let's
entertain easter. Okay, the shroud is white, an egg is white.
Life is inside the egg, Life was inside the shroud.
I can entertain that. Okay, Okay, I get it. But
that's all it goes.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
But unfortunately, wrapped in a gigantic pagan delivery vehicle yes, yes,
with a great big easter bunny yes, and Snoop Dogg
hopping along in his Easter bunny outfit.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
At did you see that? When happens on four twenty,
I had to find that throw It is kind of funny,
but that, you know, that's that's where it ends. You know,
Our Savior died for us, no other peg and God
died for them in Rose exactly. They had They were
the ones that had to die. They're the ones that

(34:07):
had to sacrifice their children, but who sacrificed his child,
God did for us. Yeah, the Supreme being. So there
you go. Snoop Dogg wishes everyone a happy for twenty Easter.
We're not we're not condoning the use of any kind
of illicit substance. Matter of fact, we would highly advise

(34:29):
you not to do that. But uh yeah anyway, which
just funny, it's just good for a laugh. Don't do
what you will in your own free time. But Snoop
pushes you a happy Thanksgiving. I I don't think birthdays
are pagan.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
No, I wouldn't think so either. We had a few
years ago. Well and that comes from a comment by Militia.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah, sorry, my tongue's not working today. And I yes,
I what Oscar said. Oh yeahll throw that up here.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
So yeah, Oscar says, Yeshua, thank you for the proper
Jewish there and not Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday,
resurrected on Sabbath, not Sunday. I don't know about the Sabbath,
oh being a Saturday instead of a Sunday. Yeah, that's

(35:26):
the thing is like, that's another one where we've had
so many copies of copies of copies. Who can tell
what they ye, what's supposed to be proper anymore some
money wiser than I.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I mean I can, I mean I can say I
don't know about that, but yeah, but but I mean,
the whole point is it would have been a Wednesday,
it weren't today. Yeah, and usually how that there was
the railer Sabbath and then there was a high Sabbath
for the Holy Day, so there was a pre like

(35:56):
Sabbath before the actual Sabbath they're pregaming. Yeah, Snoop Dogg
would be proud again.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
But yeah, I know very much to the point, you know,
I'm like, you can see, like just just the idiots,
bittiest ounce of research and common sense will tell you
that this is not Megan and it's pagan, just like Christmas.
We know by the festivals and reading our Bible, that
Christ was not born on the twenty fifth of December.
No more than likely it was nine to eleven, Yeah, exactly,

(36:27):
negative three or negative two BC somewhere out there. Yeah,
according to doctor Michael Isiser.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, which I would if you're not familiar with doctor
Michael Heiser would and Kylie encourage you to go check
that out. So yeah, my wife answered Melissa, She said,
Jehovah witnesses don't celebrate anything at all. I believe, Yeah,
I believe that it is true. I don't know if
I don't think that they do that from a pagan perspective,
and I think it's they don't want to elevate anybody. Yeah,

(36:54):
I think that goes what that is. Well, Melissa said,
we a few years ago, we stopped with the Christmas
and Easter and all that a few years ago and
because we were like, this isn't right. Why are we
putting a tree up when they were commanded to cut

(37:16):
the tree down? And we're bringing a tree into our
house and setting it up and we're literally bowing down
to it to put something underneath it. Then we have
to bow down to pick it back up and then
pass it out and it is decorated in silver and gold.
You know, that's that's in the Old Testament. I know.
People can argue all they want, but that's been one

(37:38):
that A and I have gone around because we didn't
this last year either, and we missed the lights and
the festive nature of it, just just the feel that
it gave, the warmth that it gave the house. So
we've really been torn on that one because it's like,
we may do it this year, but obviously it's all
about your heart at the end of the day. And
you know, for us especially that the problem is that
once you know, yeah, it's like, how can you That's.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
The hard part is like, granted, now we know for
a fact when we say, if we decided to put
up a tree, our heart is not in the place
of any kind of worship of these things, and that's
not what.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
It's for for us. But it's just kind of tough
because it's it rides a very thin line of what
I will say, once, when you get rid of it,
you never have to worry about it again.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
It is not like she does it all because that
is not my jam. Dude, I do not want to
I do not want to put up a nine foot
tree because we can fit a nine foot tree upstairs.
And I'm like, what that's like two hours for her
to do that.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
We were like once we were we got rid of everything,
and it's like this is nice, but we started doing Hanukkah, yeah,
and that's a little that's better. I mean that is
like you got eight nights and we do Bible study.
We like the candles, open the curtains. Let we miss

(38:53):
pass over thee you guys didn't do Passover? Well, we
were really busy. I know, it's hard. It's all had
to put together, it is it. I mean we were like, well,
you know, technically we have a few weeks, but I
don't know if we'll do it because we're just a
lot going on, and this year we were on the
fence about doing one anyway for our church. So I

(39:17):
forget who it was. Maybe it was Mike Lake when
we talked to Mike, And I'm sorry if I'm name
dropping a lot today, I don't mean to do that.
That's not what this is about. We just had so
many great, awesome people come on the show, and we've
had these great conversations.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's not about name dropping. It's just about credit where
credit's due. But I think it was, uh, maybe it
was him who he was talking about being commanded to
do you think we're commanded even as gentiles, to follow
the feasts.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
If they're supposed to be for us. Okay, because technically
speaking like it seems like a lot of these things
were I'd have to go back and read it's all
the feast point to the coming of Christ. Yeah, and
then the return of Christ. The fall fists are the return. Yeah,

(40:08):
you know if you really want to, because he he
was probably born on trumpets. Yeah, we talked about it.
He's probably returning on trumpets as the conquering king. I
was very surprised that we didn't see some cows get
sacrificed this year. I don't think they're going to do it.

(40:29):
You don't think so interesting? What makes you think that now?
They would have done it by now? They would have
done it by now, And I don't think it's why
they go through all that. Then they're posturing, do you
think so for power just to take off the Oh yeah, Muslims, Yeah,
they're they're there. I don't want to get in too deep,

(40:51):
but I think they're just it's a it's a power grab.
It's a power move because God's not the No, that's
for sure. I mean days not no, So won't wake
up tomorrow because you said that, and they're gonna have sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Then what we're talking about to we're talking about the
Red Hippers. I'm sure everybody's probably then if you're not
familiar with the Red hffers.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
You can go look it up. We've talked about for
then they did it. Fine. You know. The best thing
I can relate this to we watched the Bob Dylan
movie The Complete Unknown, and there was a scene where
there was the standoff with Cuba. Oh, Cuban missile crisis. Yes,

(41:39):
and everybody was scared, and so you know, everybody's hiding
and everything. And so he goes and place at a
club that night, and so he goes back and wake
us up the next morning, turned the TV on it. Oh,
it didn't happen, okay, and then life continue. Yeah. I

(42:01):
think if you know, that's that's where I'm at right now,
the terms they are change, That's where I'm at with everything,
with everything. If I'm like, it happens, it happens. Can't
stop it anymore? Now, can you stop? God? Yeah? I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
We don't typically worry about it too much, but it's
it's just one of those where you just you just
live your life and we don't.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
We don't worry about it's we're conscientious of it, but
we don't like it's not debilitating for us. I think
some people just get debilitated through fear. But I think
a lot of times those people that are very fearful
most times that I can tell, not always, but most
times that I can tell, do not have a probably
solid relationship with God in Christ. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
You know, that's that's where there's a there's a vacancy inside,
that's that's driving that fear because of like, hey man,
you want to punch me out of this life. I'm
with Paul to die is gain Yeah, I mean not
just to leave, but you know, to die his game.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, there's no. I don't think they would. I don't
I don't see them doing it. I think a lot
of flexing and it's like a pose off. Well, yeah,
because ultimately what you what you're referring to, I think
would be there. It all comes down to the Temple
Mount and who's going to be the king of the

(43:25):
Temple Mount because the right now the Muslims are And
who's to say they couldn't go under the Temple Mount? Yeah,
you know, there's there's all these there's there's eighty million things. Yeah,
what didn't spake sneak in like several years ago and
get underneath the Temple Mount or they were trying to
excavate underneath the temple mount and they collapsed like a
section and inside the dome or something.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Problem.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Problem this went.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Uh, Melissa says, Chastity Jamison did an excellent episode on
the paganism of Christmas, and you know what, I'm gonna
give a quick shout out to Chastity. Chastity Jamison and
runs the Ancient Conspiracies podcast. If you guys have not
listened to Chassity, go listen to Chasity. Chassity does incredible
work and she has a very unique membership structure because

(44:13):
what she does. She actually sells her show notes, because
it takes her a long time to put together her
notes for a show, and because she's just kind of
doing it solo by herself, and it's a different format
than than Ben and I are a lot of people
are doing. It's not really conversational. It's more it's more
instructional or educational. I guess it's probably a better way
to put it. But when you buy her show notes, guys,

(44:34):
you're like buying a book. I mean, she she does
a bang up job and we had her on it
was a great conversation.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Love to have her back. Yeah, she was a good conversation.
I think you can find in our conversation with her
on her website right now. In our edited episode with
her will be coming out soon. So but thanks Melissa.
That was a good call because Chastity does a great job.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
But yeah, paganism, all this stuff, man, so really ultimately
I kind of had mentioned this earlier, but this goes
back to the Council of Nicia a lot of this stuff.
The Council of Nicia was in three twenty five, okay,
and convened by Emperor Constantine. Now, for those of you
that don't know your history, Constantine was the first emperor,
okay Roman emperor to stop trying to kill all the popes.

(45:22):
Because uptil that point, man, that the Catholic Church truly is,
we would know it today, wasn't. I don't think the
Catholic Church yet. But this is the ultimately the start
of the Catholic Church. They were heavily persecuted, guys, I
mean like, they martyred all of the first few popes,
and they were under heavy persecution, and for the most part,
from what I have seen, they actually didn't do anything
that was against God. They've seemed to be following pretty

(45:46):
much what Paul had laid down. Yeah, Paul Barnabus and
everybody else.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
It was just three hundred years.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Three hundred years, right, which sounds like a long time,
but ultimately not so bad. However, Constantine comes on the
scene and he changed the game and he says, you
know what, not only have we not been able to
snuff you guys out, but under persecution, which we always
see throughout history, you guys have grown. We can't stop you.
So I'm going to take the breaks off this and
take a different tactic. And if you guys endorse me,

(46:14):
then you know, everybody wins. And so he starts giving
them freedom to.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Roam, but pun unattended, but it worked well. And then
you know, he even gives them land and money and
and they just start going crazy. And one of the
first things they do is they have this Council of
Ica because you know what the Council of Nica ultimately was.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
When I started digging into all this for preparation for
the show, they were fighting over whether or not Christ
was made or he already existed. That's what they were
fighting over. There's a huge like blow up in the
church and it was like called the Aryan problem, ironically enough,
and they were trying to figure out or come to
a conclusion of Nope, this is what we are going

(46:59):
to say going forward, and there's nothing else boom, which
they they came to the conclusion that Christ was always
there with God.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
He was not made. Oh he was first born of creation.
I always say too, but they were they were having
like an in the church of it. So they get together.
But that's not the only thing that I'm sorry, Uh yeah,

(47:29):
a combination of arianism and arianism was the the sect
that believed that Christ was actually created because they knew
how to read their Bibles. I'm sorry, that's me. I'm
not being condescending. There's a lot of people that think
Christ was always existing and that's fine. It doesn't matter.
He was first born of creation, doesn't matter. At the
end of the day, why would he call him his son? Anyway,

(47:52):
we move we move on.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
But this is where they come up with an icy
and creed too, right, because now it's not just enough
that we've we've we've declared this. Now you are going
to have this creed that you are going to recite
at every service jer go to which still today people
recite the Nicing Creed in every Catholic service and every
Catholic master you're ever going to go to, you recite
the Nicing Creede.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
So the other thing they did was they had a
uniform date for Easter. The Council established a common date
for celebrating Easter, which had been observed differently in various
Christian communities. That's because now we have Pagans that are
converting to Christianity, but they don't want to leave behind
their paganism and they want to bring this stuff in.

(48:35):
And they were pushing the Jews out. Yeah, they pushed
the Jews.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Out of the church.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Oh, we can't have that, or can we? Early canon law,
the Council promulgated a set of regulation I cannot read today,
regulations regarding Church practice and governance, which laid the foundation
for early Church law. So this is where the doctrine,

(49:00):
This defined the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. And then
this is supposed to all established foundation for Christian unity.
And it really didn't know because what do we have.
I mean, we go a little while, but we have
these just schisms that keep happening, just break huge breaks
off the church. Right, I think one of the first

(49:22):
ones you come to and if if I can find
it really quick, I'm all thrown out. But one of
the first ones that you come to is the Church
of England because you know everybody's getting well. It was
even before then they threw John out a church. I mean,
so it happened, yeah, but that's what happens when man

(49:47):
tries to run things. No, of course we were corrupt
and wicked and can't help ourselves. We get let pagans
come in. You know, it's amazing to me actually just
it just dawned on me, which is maybe I'm daph
and I'm just stupid. But like, man, doesn't that sound
like what we do today? Because what they did is
you can come into the church and you don't have
to change a thing. As a matter of fact, will

(50:08):
adapt to you and we'll just accept you and how
you are and you don't have to change a thing,
no repentance required, bring your goddesses and your gods with you.
Doesn't that sound familiar? M I mean it's yes.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
There's new ways to do the oldest sin, like you
always say so, yes, And I do not believe it
was that the Council of Nicea that we started just
just determining what was canon. I think that was at
another I forget that event, Trent Council of Trent, I
think is where we maybe started determining canon an't a

(50:46):
thing that shoots the people all do what? Yes, exactly,
And that's when we had Barnum and Bailey's first started operating.
Sweet No, I think I had counsel the Trent's probably
way too far down the line. They might have like
solidified whatever, but it was the yeah, I can't. Yeah,

(51:10):
there was a Sonod of Rome, several synods in there
that they got together and they were trying to, you know,
determine what was going to be and not being in
the Bible. That's another thing. That's who says yeah, yeah.
We had a good conversation on this on Friday too.
Who determines what's going to be in and what's going
to be out? Pagans ultimately, because you got to think

(51:32):
if you're going to let him in the church, they're
gonna wind up being in positions of power. I would
guess it's on point right. That's just what always happens,
and that's how you wind you can. Human beings are
just we're like carbon copy.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
You know, it's like running out a bunch of morons
and limmings through a copy machine. You know, we just
go further down the line, we get more technology, and
we just make copies quicker.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
But that's basically what happens. So if yeah, if you
exactly and you put pizza in your wallet, yes, but
if you look at what happens, you know, look at
what's happening. Now, I can't fathom the same thing didn't happen.
Then no, you've let them in the church. Now you've
given them the doors open the foot their foot is
in the door, right, we have Sin has entered the

(52:12):
room unaddressed, you know, And and now we go one further.
Now do we not address it? But then we completely
turn a blind eye to it, and in some cases
even encourage it. And then once we start to do that,
then more people come into the church, and now those
people overrule the people who should have stood up in

(52:33):
the first place, and now sin is just rampant in
the church. And then we start changing doctrine to match
what is okay, right, sin is okay in these particular instances,
and then we wind up having a fracture of the church.
We just had another huge gives them in the Methodist
Church because of this, because of this very thing, we

(52:53):
let sin get in the door. We didn't close the
door on sin and throw it out when it was
in our midst call it out, throw it out. Yeah,
and here we are, you know, I think, I know
we're probably way off on what we were really, you know,
because because it's all we're seeing the same things today. Yeah.

(53:15):
There's some people that I see on social media. They're
not famous, They're just people I know, and they bring
things up and I feel for them because they have
their their knowledge is little to none. And when I

(53:38):
see what they say or something I hold, I don't
judge them. Yeah, And and I feel for them, and
I'm like, how do I how can I say something?
You know? Yeah, And of encouragement, that's that should be

(54:01):
where we're at. When you see somebody, you know, a
fellow human being, that's just they want to know something,
they want to learn something. But other other fellow human
beings are acting like total idiots and kill under the
guise of Christians. Yeah, and we've said it. I don't

(54:28):
want to say I'm a Christian. No, it's it's been
sullied so bad now that I I don't want to
even identify with the term. Yeah, it's we should be
christ followers, you know. And because the paganism has got in,
we could even we could even throw Christian nationalism as
paganism oo ben uh. And you know the people that

(54:55):
follow the uh, the party that's in charge. Yeah, they might,
they might, as a lot of people think he is
God or Christ. It's crazy to me, you know. I
like to watch documentaries. So I watched the one on

(55:16):
Heaven's Gate. Oh yeah, did you watch it? Probably a
few years ago. Oh okay, I didn't know it was
I thought it was new. Oh well, we've seen some
on there. There's a this one might be new where
it was on Netflix? I think I think it was
on Netflix and I watched it. But there was a
guy on there that I thought about reaching out for
the show. But I'm kind of on the fence about it.
He was a doctor and what he does he specializes

(55:39):
in cult behavior, like how cults operate, you know, and
like how they indoctrinate you and then how to deprogram
you afterwards after you get out. And he had actually
written a book which was the Cult of Trump, and

(56:00):
I was like, oh, saulcy Yeah. I mean then again,
like watch, I mean you probably had family member, family members,
and I have family members even still to this day,
where like if if the man literally drug someone out
on the street on live TV and shot them, he
they would write it off somehow as he well it's

(56:20):
he you know, was just doing justice or yeah, you know.
And again it's it's just you know, we're not trying
to bash Trump or anything, but I mean some of
the people that follow him are just whatever, it is,
what it is. It's just like, don't lose your objectivity.
I guess it is the point I'm trying to make
is don't lose your objectivity to any human being. But
that's a form of paganism as well. Yeah, losing your objectivity. Yeah,

(56:44):
I mean, anytime.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
You're worshiping anything that's not God, you know or Christ,
I think that, yeah, you've you've engaged in Antichrist behavior. Yeah,
Paganist paganism is anti Antichrist. You know, we tend to
think of Antichrist as a person. And but and like
we talked about it before in John it says that
if you do any of these things, that's anti God
or you know, any pirits. It's a spirit of Antichrist. Yeah,

(57:08):
you know, you're you're basically standing against the one who
has designed to set you free from all of us junk.
So you know, yeah, I mean, we could go on
and on here about the sins of the church when
you go back and you start looking at all this,
but this literally what we have today, and we're so

(57:29):
far removed from it now that we don't even know
where it came.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
From because we don't ask. We're just brought up in
the church and we're like, Oh, it's Jesus. How could
it be bad? It's Jesus's resurrection. But then you're like, well,
wait a minute. When you start putting two two and
two together and you're like, wait.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
A minute, why is it a week after Passover? Was
like well, I think it was even worse last year
because it was like Passover was like a month, like
a month before, yeah, something like that. And you're like,
what in the world we celebrate in Easter? Because the
answer is because the Catholic Church deemed that you were
going to celebrate Easter on the day you just celebrated Easter,

(58:07):
which is today.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
My wife was talking to somebody in another country on
the phone the other day. Okay, you know what my
bad brain just did and went. So she was getting
tech support help. It was it was an incident happened,
and so she had a call in for some insurance help.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
So it was tech support. So not a bigot, I
was right. So I mean it might still be a
little bigot it, but we've all experienced.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
As they're talking, like, my wife's like trying to figure
this thing out. And so in the middle of this,
this lady goes, how do you guys see celebrate LNT? Okay,
so she's Catholics, I would think or something. Maria's like,

(59:07):
what something in that vein? She goes, how do you
celebrate LN? And Mary's like, well, a lot of people,
you know, give up chocolate, give up you know, simple
things right right, And she goes a lot of they're
not allowed to eat meat on Fridays, just fish. She said, well, here,
we're not allowed to eat pork for forty days, you know,
from ash Wednesday to today. Yeah, and she said, what

(59:34):
do you guys do? Like I was just trying to
just genuinely learn yes information and so like for the weekend,
and she's like, yes, she goes, because we're supposed to
fast all weekend, like they weren't supposed to. They were
supposed to fast all weekend and they can only hike,
go like hiking, or go to the beach. And Maria's

(59:58):
like fast and that's that sounds like it sucks hiking.
That definitely she goes. I could go to the beach,
she goes, but no, we just usually you know, get
together with you know, family, maybe go to a sunrise
service or go to church. S Maria asked where she was.

(01:00:18):
She was in the Philippines. That's where it was, and
so it was just fascinating to you know, hear somebody
somewhere else in another country that is definitely you know,
heavily based with Catholicism to all countries are, which is fine.

(01:00:40):
You know, they're doing good Catholics out there, they're you know,
doing what they're doing. And it's just interesting to see how,
you know, we as a world celebrate these days even
though we're supposed to be following the same save here.

(01:01:02):
But man comes in and puts their own spin, their
own feelings, their own laws and doctrines, and it's all false.
And I just find that interesting. We always corrupt everything

(01:01:27):
that God makes war deems for us good and it's
like no, no, no, we know better. You know, we can
do a better. Gud think, thanks for your help. That's
very sweet of you. But we do. We get in
there and we just start we can't help It's like
we can't help ourselves. Yeah, like with this, the them

(01:01:47):
determining when it was the best day to celebrate resurrection Sunday. Yeah,
that was man. Yeah, absolutely, And I'm sitting around having
a whole council session with like because they didn't bishops
and you know, everybody, because they didn't want to believe

(01:02:08):
what somebody what I'm going to probably a minority, I'll
say it, yeah, you know, was telling them at this point.
It probably was like if you know, in how many
what's the it would be interesting to know, you know,
ratio wise, what percentage of people in the church at

(01:02:30):
that particular time were pagan. Well, well, you figure brought
most of them at that time were probably Jews, I
would think so, or converts converts and then they were
so probably about that time they and they brought and
they didn't believe them or they didn't want any of it,
you know, so.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Which makes perfect sense because you know, you can see
in the letters from from Paul to a lot of
the in the New Testament to a lot of the churches.
You know, one of the main points of chestation is,
you know, you're supposed to stop doing all the things
you were doing before. It's like, you don't just get
to have your you know, you don't get to have Jesus.

(01:03:13):
And yeah, you know, you don't get to do whatever
you want what you were doing before.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
And you know, magically, you know, Jesus is gonna whitewash
it all the way. That's like one of the main
things like that comes to mind to me when he's
writing the churches. Yeah, you know, chastising them on not
turning away from their prior pagan beliefs and behaviors. I
want to go back to a question you ask a
while go about the feasts. Yeah, I think once we

(01:03:40):
learn what they are, it's not so much you know,
I was commanded I got to do this. It's we
want to do them. We want to it's obedience. It's
out of love. Yeah, And once when you do something
out of love, it changes your mind. It changes the
way the feast are actually focused and what it's about.

(01:04:02):
It's about my relationship with God. It's about what he
has done for me in the spring and what he's
going to do for me in the fall, right, rather
than you know, just yeah you yeah, yeah. It's it's
about you know, being obedient, because in obedience is love.
Love is in obedience and not wanting to displease your Lord,

(01:04:26):
your savior, your God, and follow what he told you
and turn away from what you want. And we have
a whole world right now that is just completely one
and fifty percent fixated on what they want. I can't
go into our Christian podcasting group and I'm just like,
oh my god, I want to throw up. It's disgusting, man.

(01:04:46):
It's just kind of constantly about healing and like getting free.
It's all about emotion and like their own emotion. All
everything is like just so about themselves, about you know,
it's it's almost like spiritual warfare. I can't so rarely
will I read anything in there about spiritual warfare. And

(01:05:08):
we have thousands of people in there, and it's like
it's just one thing after another thing about healing from
damage and and and and there's I don't want to
say that's bad because there is a space for that.
But when that's all we flip and do is constantly
focus on our hurts and pains and emotions and you know, healing,

(01:05:29):
And I'm like, have you healed yet? Good? Heavens, you're
not going to be you know, you're so focused on
healing that you never do and you're no, you're no
earthly good. You know you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
If you're not any earthly good, you're not gonna be
any heavenly good because you're not taking anybody there because
you're so fixated on yourself because you can't heal. And
it's like they go from one podcast, do another podcast,
do another podcast, do another podcast, all about how to
heal from whatever, X damage or whatever. And it's like,
if you ain't healed by now man, after some time,

(01:06:01):
then you've got bigger problems you don't want to heal. Yeah,
it's true, and it's just it's just sad to me.
I joke about it and kind of scoff at it
with Adrian all the time. I'll go through and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I'll start reading them minutes. It's a lot of women
on women's stuff. You like, women for women all the time.
Women for women this and women for women that. It's
like guys are just like thrown to the side where
it's co completely excluded almost from stuff anymore, and it's
just about self and healing, which again has its place,

(01:06:32):
but when that's all you ever do, but that's not
what you're worried about.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Yeah, you know that's yeah, Like I'm like, okay, when
are we going to talk about all this? It's kind
of like we're focused on the the after effects, but
we don't want to treat the root. Yeah, I'm like, well,
you know, if you went through a horrific divorce and
you had a man that was abusive and all this
and that you need to heal from that, you have

(01:06:59):
psyc a lot trauma. I'm not trying to say you
don't have a wife upstairs that has been through that
and has had to go through healing process, but she healed,
And wouldn't we be better served in a lot of
these instances by treating the root cause of these problems
and focusing on the spiritual warfare aspect that drove this
person to become that way to do these things, instead

(01:07:23):
of just constantly trying to mop up the damage. Yeah,
it's like, we don't want to treat the root cause
we just want to sit here and just constantly just
try to mop up the damage, mop up the damage,
mop up with the damage.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
And I'm like, you're never going to get it clean man.
And some people like to talk about some people keep
ripping the band aid off. They like, they like to
like to hurt. They really did, they do? They have
to have it. They can't just leave the band aid on. Yeah,
sometimes you have to. I always tell people I just
pushed my feelings down to a deep hole and let

(01:07:56):
them just not come out ever again, you know, because yes,
you should talk about things, but what good does it
talk about? What good does it do to talk about
it other than it just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Well, you know, like, you know, there's something the way
that I handle some things too, because I'm more of
an extroverted person in some ways, and I will you
know where you stand with me, I'll tell you, you know,
And I'm more of that. I just get it, get
it out there, and it's over with and done. But
you know, there's still traumatic things that happened. And for me,
when I have dealt with a lot of traumatic things

(01:08:33):
in my life, I consider a gift from God because
in a lot of you know, modern psychology be like,
oh that's not good. You're repressing your feelings, and it's
like no, literally, God just kind of stuffs it in
a drawer somewhere in there, and like I don't even remember, yeah,
and like when it, some kind of conversation happens and
it comes up and then I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
When this and this and this happened. But I'm pretty
much completely unemotional about it. Like a lot of it
that's been long term stuff. I'm kind of just emotionally
divorced from it. Like it doesn't doesn't really bother me,
So I can't really have these repressed emotions in there.
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
If I'm if it's not like bothering me, I would
think I just considered a gift for God.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Goes. Yeah, you don't need those files.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
It's just it's just trash counts just eighty six and
bad Boys. Yeah yeah, put them in the file thirteen,
File thirteen, then bad Boys. Okay, we got a couple
of comments here. We'll get too.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
So first of all, Tree Mistress, thank you very much.
You said shalone Brothers. Today I'm celebrating the last day
of unloven bread. Awesome, very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Oscar sand says, says, Yes, it was the High Sabbath.
It's in the records.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
And I'm also flabbergasted by the amount of information I'm
learning about how we have been bamboozled. Remember the Sabbath.
There is a reason why the fourth they took the
fourth Commandment out. I think that's for a reason. Remember
the Sabbath, as the Catholicism or research, and we will
have to honor the venerable day day of the Sunday.

(01:10:03):
So yeah, yeah, that is one of the commandments. Remember
the Sabbath, keep it holy. He means we got to
do it, and we don't. Yeah, and I will say
that's ill. Probably you know, Seventh Day Advent they do that.
I will give them a lot of props for that.
They do a very good job of that. You know,

(01:10:25):
I've always admired and I know why they met on
Sunday too, or Sunday they they the first day of
the week. They go from no, I'm talking about the
after they would meet after the resurrection and everything. The
disciples would be on the first day of the week,
you know, weekly or actually the daily. But yeah, but anyway,

(01:10:50):
seventh day at Venisco from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday,
just like just like uh the Jewish, right, Yeah, I've
always thought that was neat that they did that. Yeah,
there's you know, there's one in Lebanon now, a seventh
Day of Venison. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's kind of cool.
I don't know. I'm on the fence with should we

(01:11:12):
be Are we called to, you know, observe the feasts
and the festivals and all these types of things, And
I don't know if we're I don't know if we're
called to if we have to, what do you think
do you think we have to? Like, because like what
you were talking about earlier is just you've chosen to,
like in your mind, you've chosen to, but you don't

(01:11:33):
necessarily have to. Yeah, I mean it's like you don't
have you don't feel like, I've never gotten a feeling
for me that you have to celebrate Passover. It's almost
like you're doing it kind of honorarily to Yeah, experience
what that's like. Yeah, And it's I think doing it.

(01:11:57):
If you do it, you're gonna find a love. And
there's I can't remember where it's at but it's Bible. Yeah, Bible.
I don't remember the address, and I'm just gonna paraphrase it.
It was like that the Gentiles would do it, and
then the Jews would find it be jealous of them

(01:12:18):
because they found the they found their first love again.
If that makes sense. Uh, celebrate. Let me look this
up see if I can find it. And I don't
know if it's like a blessing or a curse, if
that makes sense, but it sounds like something God would be.
God is kind of talking about maybe Rowan's eleven. Probably

(01:12:44):
let me pull up Rohans eleven real quick, because I
know that's the whole point of turning it. Turning salvation
over to the Gentiles was basically like I have done
with you guys. You know you have. You've written this roll,
I've ridden this roller coaster with you over and over
and over and over. I had to flood and started
anew and you guys still couldn't do it. And then

(01:13:06):
you turn from me, and you turn to all these
gods that you're worshiping, like we've talked about today. And
then I find one guy who I can I can
almost start over with again. But we're not gonna wipe
everybody out because I promised I wouldn't do that. And
then we start over with Abraham and like, okay, I'm

(01:13:27):
not even going to take all of you. I'm only
going to take a part of you from through his line,
and only select through his line. And I have my people,
and you guys reject me. Yeah, and you you start
worshiping all these other gods and you refuse to stop
doing it. So I put you in exile in Egypt, right,

(01:13:48):
And because you just took on their same practices and culture, right,
even though your ancestors saved you from the famine, gave
you the choicest land, the whole nine, right, I'm with
her the whole way, right. I take your answer. Take
josephin there set it up for you guys perfect to
live a high off the hog, and you guys just
can't up yourselves. And so then they get out, and

(01:14:11):
gods with them guiding them literally physically present, guiding them
right through you know, Yeah, clouds and all kinds of stuff, right,
fire and flame at night, right, and parts the Red Sea,
the whole nine carries them and they still turn them,
still turn like not even Moses can't spend forty days
on the mountain before they turn. Yeah, and then it's

(01:14:33):
like fine, I'm gonna punish you guys again. And then
Moses doesn't even get to see the promise le. He
gets to see the Promised Land from like, well, that
was his own nebo, you know, his own anger, Yeah right, yeah,
which is you know, kind of fun to look at
some of these biblical hatriarchs and see that they have

(01:14:53):
massive flaws. I mean, how would you like to have Moses, God,
I'm gonna kill them all. No, no, just don't, just don't.
Then then I'm gonna just go ahead and kill ma all. No,
no no, Which is funny because when you read in
Jubile's it's the opposite. He's up there and at the
time he was compassionate to him and he's like God,
God is telling him what's gonna happen. He's basically ripped
the playbook right open and he's like, Hey, here's what's

(01:15:15):
gonna go down. They're gonna turn and he's like no, no, no, hard,
they'll never do that after what they've seen. It's like, no,
they're going to and I'm gonna wipe them out, And no, Lord,
don't do that, I'll let me talk to him, and
he comes down from the mountain and it's like I
told me, I didn't know it was going I didn't
even know. I didn't know that it was going on

(01:15:36):
at the time, because I don't think he's telling him
at the time that he's having this conversation with him.
It's happening, yeah, you know. And then you go through
the exiles, you know, first it's the Assyrians to come
through and takes the Northern Kingdom, then the Southern they
get scattered to this scattered to the winds, and then
you have the Southern Kingdom that gets taken into Babylon
and they come back and they even fill the you

(01:15:58):
know place, and then you know, getting on with refuse
and set it on fire so nobody can sacrifice their
kids again. And then they just can't help themselves either.
And here we are to modern day and it's just
happened again. So I'm sorry, we got horribly sidetracked. Romans eleven.
Let's just see what Romans eleven has to say. We

(01:16:21):
do have a comment, a pir I think I saw.
We'll get to that here in just a second. It
was Romans eleven eleven let me just see this is
where is this in the section? We're talking about the
Gentiles being grafted in? Maybe probably so, I asked, did
they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means?
Rather through their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles

(01:16:41):
so as to make Israel jealous. Now, if their trespass
means riches for the world, and if their failure means
riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full
inclusion mean? Now I'm speaking to you Gentiles, and as
much as or then as I am apostle to the Gentiles,
I magnify my ministry in or or somehow to make
my fellow Jews jealous and thus save some of them.

(01:17:05):
Or if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world,
what will their acceptance mean? But life from the dead?
Now it doesn't really talk about yeah, but I mean,
but I'm sure that's kind of probably in here somewhere.
I mean, if you really mean like comment, uh, let's

(01:17:29):
see we've got over here. Uh and onny moas hopefully
I got that right, actually says descriptions. Never say to
stop observing the feasts. It's very true. What do you
say at the last Supper, what do this? And remember

(01:17:50):
non communion, the actual supper, because that was the Passover.
That's right, that was the Passover meal. Yep. So technically
the Passover meal became the Crucifixion meal basically, yeah, pre Crucifixion. Yeah,
and we and we do this. So he knew that

(01:18:11):
they were going to continue to do it. It was
never stopped doing this. No, you can remember when you
do it, remember me instead of the Passover. Remember what
I did tonight? Yeah, remember what I went through? Yeah,
I can't imagine. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
He also says it was Constantine's mom that had him
merge the pagan holidays with Christianity, creative religion that was
separate from the Jews.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
The feasts were too Jewish for them. I can't remember
if it was Constantine or Nero or both, but I
want to say he wound up killing his mother. Now
I'll look that probably Nero. I know Nero did. He
killed his mother and his son. I think Constantine's mother
did a lot. She's the one that found a lot

(01:18:59):
of the places that are now it was his wife
and son the Constantine had killed. Sounds like a good
Christian guy. Yeah, and again we could look at David
and say David murdered people too, But I think that's

(01:19:19):
very different. I do not think Constantine was a Christian.
I think he used Christianity, oh yeah, but I do
not think he was a Christian. Just like a lot
of political people today, do amen, brother, amen to get
that vote. Yes, indeed they do. Indeed, Tree Mistress will
close with your comment today, which is a good one,

(01:19:42):
and this is about the festivals. God's holy days are
like a hug. So and then listen, we'll actually we
will address this because you asked a question, whoa hidden things?
I don't mean to hit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
There we go and I'll throw that up on the
screen and that says, so Jesus is risen, but it
was actually a week.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Where can I find this? I don't know if we
said that. I don't know. I don't know what we said.
We don't know what we said either. Kind of elaborate
on that. Yeah, you have to you have to, YEA
have to tell us what you're what you're talking about there.
So if we said something just kind of yeah, I'm
not sure. And maybe somebody in the comment said something

(01:20:23):
we didn't catch it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Yeah, so yeah, no, I think maybe what we said
was it was it was from the from the highlighting
the pagan side.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Maybe this is what we said.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Oh seven, she says, Seventh Day at Ventice celebrate at
the Agape Feast on Good Friday. Interesting, so I would
assume the that would be they would they're having that
on Good Friday, so that would be like their last supper?

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Is that? Is that kind of what I'm Is that
what you're gaining from that too, or gleaning from that too? Maybe?
I don't know. I don't know. I'm not from I'm
not super familiar with all of the Seventh day Edventist stuff,
but I know that they are very good about recognizing
the Sabbath.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
So let's see, Yeah, oh, last weekend. Now, the passover
was last weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Thus the resurrection technically would have been last weekend too.
But I'm sure that's even been mangled by the many
things that we've done to the calendar to corrupt the calendar. Yeah,
I mean, let's think about what what kicks off this
whole season. Fat Tuesday? Oh you see, now you're talking

(01:21:37):
to put build up too? Well, Fat Tuesday? Is that
a pagan in nature? I can't tease. That's the Tuesday
before ash Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Yeah, so which ash Wednesday is the celebration of or
basically a celebration of the forty days. And yes, so
the night before you go and you partied up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
You do. You can every kind of son in the world,
you can on that. It's is that literally what Fat
Tuesday is supposed to be. Yeah, I had never put
that together. Marty Marty Gras. I cannot declare that I
am a fat guy anymore. I did not know. Now
I knew that was Martin. Is anything Marty gral with fat?
Pagan pagan gets and that's Fat Tuesday. And they actually

(01:22:23):
have you ever had King Cake? No, you're missing out
because it is a pagan delight. But they actually take it.
They actually take a and this is Marty Graul, this
is fat Tuesday. This is one of the ways they
celebrate this. This is this is very well known down there.
They take a figurine of Baby Jesus and the cake.

(01:22:44):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's what kicks this whole
thing off. So you start with you start with quote unquote, get.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Your slate, slate as dirty as humanly possible before you
go to confessional.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Yea kind of the thing. Yes, good for the next
forty days, You're not going to be able to do anything.
So live it up, boys, you know, Oh golly, kind
of like like there's a quote in our house that
when there's a quote from Lord of the Rings in
our house, we probably say it daily meets back on

(01:23:17):
the menu, boys, So you know, like just live it
up for you know that one night than forty days
to this day. You know, then all of a sudden,
pretty soon that's here. I say that anymore. I know,
running out of meat eaters over there, I know, but
but yeah, I get you. It's it's sad, it really is.

(01:23:42):
So Sherry, you know you're joining us, like think you
It's always good to see you on here too. She
says blessings to the dudes in chat, but she's late,
but she'll catch the entire show later. You can watch
it on the playback. Sorry if I rambled on today, No, no, no, no,
not at all. It's good to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
We haven't had a We haven't had a you and
I in a while, and we were in the process
this show for the first part probably looked pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Why I'm ashamed to say that because it's my fault.
We got a little artifacting going on and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Things we're in the process of make it some changes,
so we promise the future shows will look a little better.
Now if you guys are listening, hey, you're none the wiser.
We just dropped the dime on ourselves. So but we're
honest here on the foil. So but no, it's it's
guys in gals.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Get to celebrating the feast and stop celebrating the pagan holidays.
Just like I said today, because I obviously I do
not believe in Easter. I do not believe in this
celebration of Easter. I approach it, but I also don't
want to be I don't want to smash people in
the face for the two by four because that's not

(01:24:44):
going to win anybody over either. So what I said,
I think at some point today was when I said
a prayer and I said what this day represents and
the day represents Christ directing from the tomb. I think
in Christian circles, I think Easter doesn't have as big

(01:25:07):
as ties as Christmas does. Uh No, I can tell
you it does because there's no build up. No, there's
no there's no, there's no Easter Carols, there's no twenty
days of listening to music. There's there's none of that.
There's no build up of it like there is Christmas. Now.

(01:25:32):
I do like some Christmas songs, I mean I really do.
I mean it's like it was ingrained in me from
my mom to listen, you know, to Christmas, because that's
her Christmas is like her family, that was their time.
You just sit around and listen to Baby it's cold
outside and be as controversial as humanly possible. And that's

(01:25:55):
a controversial song. Now, Ben, I know it is where
we are, I know, but we can have it. Was
like wop, I don't even know what that is. You
don't look it up. But I think Easter is not
as bad as Christmas because then you have memories and
you have feelings and the like you said, the warm
glow and all all the little twinkle lights. But there's

(01:26:17):
none of that with Ether. There's a stupid bunny and
a Cadbury whatever that is. I will tell you this fun, fun,
fun childhood memory story. And we're totally off the rails now,
but you guys listen to us, so you know what
you're gonna get have you ever been so excited for
like the presence and stuff that like you couldn't sleep?

(01:26:40):
Oh yeah, I had that one time where it was
I couldn't sleep because I was so excited to get present.
Because we would always get a couple presents at Easter.
Oh really, yes, in our Easter basket there would be
like a couple presents. We never did that, I know. Well, yeah,
what can I say? High life? When I was a

(01:27:00):
kid and I knew that I was gonna get some
transformers mm hmm, like the good ones, you know, the
ones that aren't made like crap, like the metal ones
from when we were kids, Like they were literally made
of metal. Yeah, and you know, like we're good quality.
Were you were you peeking on the A Jones so bad?

(01:27:22):
On the Easter Bunny? I knew that that was a fraud.
I just wanted. I just wanted my transformers, yo, and
my mom would buy me the same motorcycle bunny every year.
He was a bunny on a motorcycle and it was
solid and he was Yeah that was that was my
jam motorcycle Bunny. And I would never eat it all
because I'm just what was the transformer? I know it's sad.

(01:27:47):
It's like an eyesight. I don't know. I kind of
vaguely remember, but I don't even know what. I couldn't
even tell you what the name the name was. It's
like a purple and green dude or whatever. I don't
even remember. I could tell you, and I i'd have
been Starscream, star Starstreak or Starscream or whatever. Starscream. Yeah,
I think you're right. I'm like a nerd nerd for

(01:28:10):
that stuff. But yeah, we used to get Easter baskets
for our kids. If I maybe not like it was candy.
It was like a bowl of candy. Yeah. I mean,
you can't go wrong with three seas, and now it's
hard to go wrong. Yeah. The other thing that like
when when I had kids, my kids were too smart

(01:28:33):
for their own goods. So they were like probing me,
like trying to find out, Oh, well, Sandy comes down
the chimney, how does the Easter Bunny get in? Like
that's a good one. You know what I came up
with on the fly. This was my on the fly line.
The Easter Bunny has a magic lock pick kit. He
can he can't pick the lock to any door, and

(01:28:55):
he can get Indy any any house. He's a he's
he's a bunny burg in the cat burglar. He's a
bunny burglar, but he's not a burglar. He leaves a
presence in Candy. A few years ago on Easter Sunday,
we let the dogs out and I hear this like
high pitch scream squeal, like what is that? And one

(01:29:24):
of our dogs ate a whole family of bunnies. Oh yeah,
And she came up to that and I'm like, Shiloh,
what do you got? And I didn't realize what it was.
It's like, Shiloh, what do you got? And she like
dropped it and I was just like, oh okay, I

(01:29:46):
like get everything. And I put her in her creat
and I'm like, well, somebody's not getting any more Easter
because the so it's like, you know, it's like it's
just you know, well there's a reason why they breathe. Yes,
And it was just it's a funny. It's as dark

(01:30:07):
it is. We we've had our dog one before. It's
a bunny. Sorry if I may not, you know, but
if you get a dog, they're going to get stuck, yes,
And when you have labs, they're definitely gonna get stuffed.
But it's just a it's another funny story growing up,
and that's that's what it should be about, you know,

(01:30:29):
making not it was had nothing to do with anything.
It was just happened to be on Eastern and it
just happened to be bunnies. Ye things happen, and and
that's that's life. That is, that's how it goes. Many
long story short, celebrate the festivals and don't celebrate the

(01:30:51):
pagan holidays. That sort tries to pump in front of
your face. So but yeah, there you go. So there
you go. Now you've all learned about the pagan nature
of Easter. Maybe maybe, or at least you took a
wacky journey with us today, but either way we appreciate
you guys. All right, well, with that, we will bid
you all the dude until next time on before tack

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