Episode 208: Batman (6th Anniversary Show)

Jimbo and Kyle celebrate their 6th anniversary of the podcast with Batman from 1989!  Join Jimbo as he talks about those that helped create this podcast, and those that helped keep it going, and those new friends we have made along the way.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
The Tragedy of Cinema podcast is intended as a family
friendly program that, by extension, strives to be inclusive to
all people, regardless of their ethnicity, gender, creed, or any
other identifying factors in this incredibly diverse world of ours.
With that said, some of the films we discuss may
contain serious subject matters or have content considered morally objectional
by today's standards.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
We do not.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Intend to condone or dismiss these aspects of these films,
but our primary focus beyond what we believe are the
film succeeds at some fun facts and our personal enjoyment
factors of each film. With that said, we help you
enjoy the show.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
On lights, shingle Job, say Slights eighty three, Lights in
the Real Love Black and Light movies and TV fool
through the stories We don't know soap screen tails.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
On food in the Magic, stay the.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Story, say them every shimmer joys if we tells through the.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Tails, we love some more.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Picky Vail, Bruce Wayne and what do you do for
a living? Lieutenant? Is there a six foot back in
Gotham City?

Speaker 4 (02:07):
He's sad fit.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
You look fine?

Speaker 4 (02:19):
I didn't ask.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I have given a name to my pain.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
What are you?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm Batman? Does you get those wonderful toys? My life
is really complex.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
When freak terrorizes the way, they get a.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Load of me.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
All right, guys, welcome to the Tragedy of Cinemas sixth
anniversary episode. I am your host, Jimbo.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm your co host Kyle Kyle.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
Every year we do an anniversary show, we try to
bring a movie that's just above and beyond some of
the movies and of cultural significant value. And today we
have decided on not that Nana Na. But before we
get started, since this is our anniversary episode, I'd like

(03:42):
to thank some people along the way that has made
this podcast what it is so uh. First and foremost,
we have to thank Jerry and Tracy Pauley. Jerry unfortunately
died last Thanksgiving and he left a big hole in
the podcast community. But I remember when me and not

(04:02):
even Terrence wasn't even the host, and me and the
guy that I was going to do with this without work,
they took time out of their busy schedule and we
went to Texas Roadhouse down there in Louisville, Kentucky. And
I had known of podcasts, but I never knew how
to say. There's so much involved into setting up a podcast,
and they generously took their time and explained to me

(04:23):
some stuff about the podcast world. And here we are
six years later, So Jerry, you will be missing Tracy.
We still love you, so thought we'd better throw that
out there first and foremost, because it is probably the
main reason that this podcast ever even started.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
Second, I'd like to thank Terrence because without Terrence, I
wouldn't have had a co host at the beginning. And
if you go back and listen to the early years
of this podcast, especially like year one and two, we
overcome some bumps and obstacles along the way, but without
Terrence this wouldn't have in his golden pipes this it
wouldn't have took off like it did.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
So thanks Terrence.

Speaker 6 (04:59):
Third, I'd like to think adz ad Ez was a
childhood friend and because of this podcast, re reconnected. So Eric,
you know, after twenty five years childhood friend, we had
went on family vacations and everything together, and then he
came aboard and started doing the Twilight Zone series with me.
Really helped, you know, throw some more episodes for the podcast.

(05:19):
So Eric, you know, we love you.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Buddy.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
And then of course you know my dad art Toast.
If you've known my dad, you know he's a character.
And you know how he got his name, Kyle. He's
an artist, right, and he was looking for a name.
He's like, well, maybe I'll be artist, but it was taken.
So my nephew was at the breakfast table with him
and he's an artist and he was eating toast, so

(05:43):
he said, what about art Toast, So that's why we
got his name mark to So Dad, I love you,
And if you want to hear my dad tell some
of his funny stories, you can look back on the
I can't believe that was a movie episode, which we
need to record some again soon and you'll find out
some stuff about my dad's early life that's just hilarious.
And he has me and Stitches have time. So love you, Dad,
And you asked Kyle, you came into number five. You know,

(06:07):
I think that when you came on board that this
this podcast just went to a whole nother level. Your
dedication and driving every other week at least an hour
and a half at least. Yeah, you know, without you
coming and doing that, this podcast may not have survived
as long as it did.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
You showed up like Batman just when we needed you
the most. And you know, all.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
Kidding aside, we do have a good time. You've become
a good friend because Kyle actually when I transferred over
to the other plant for Ford Motor Company in Louisville,
Kyle was actually the one that trained me on the job.
Do you remember that, col Yes, yes, yeah. So everybody
was like, oh, he's training you. Good luck, you know,
but we we've had a you know, it's something to

(06:54):
be a co worker, but it means more when you
become a friend. Absolutely, and I've always loved even before
we start recording, we ask how each other is doing,
but then we'll go out to breakfast, you know, and
we'll just talk about stuff, you know, family issues, work issues.
Kyle's just an over around a good guy. So Kyle,
I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you this because what people

(07:18):
don't know is Kyle will be leaving the podcast. But
it's not because I'm firing him or he's just because
he hates doing it. He's actually going to better his
life and he's going to go back to school and
become an engineer. I do believe is what his goal
is to become and at the age that he's at
it gets harder and harder. Trust me, I know I
tried to go back after we started having kids and everything,

(07:40):
and it's really hard to balance that work life school schedule.
So Kyle, WI good luck in your future endeavors. So
we are trying to I'm trying to give a Kyle.
We want to do like a going away show where
people can write in or maybe even call in. We're
working on something where we might have like a live
show where you can call in, or maybe like a

(08:01):
live Facebook or Zoom meeting with Kyle, so we can
give Kyle the proper send off that he deserves. And
he's not gonna be gone for good because if I
have to drive down there, he is going to be
on this podcast again.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I just wanted to let him know. It's filled me
around to some degree as best I can, and I'm
going to leave you on as the disclaimer.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
I think that's a way for you to And I
might not change the music either with the new host
coming because Jim o'Kyle take flight. There's just something fun
about that. But Kyle, I'm gonna throw this question out
to you and this is just part of our anniversary.
There's nothing to do with Batman. But Kyle, what are
some of your favorite moments that have happened regarding the
podcast since you came aboard? And do you remember the

(08:39):
first time you came on board? What movie was it?
Did we do the A J Still? It was either
that or War the World or something, but it was
something of science fiction. I remember still because I said
that was my favorite film.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
I think you brought me on for that and a
guest as a guest episode of Terrence Afy recorded that
episode and I think we did it in the movie
as well. But yes, somevorite movies, I'm for sure the
Halloween shows we did with Jack. Yeah, great time doing those,
you know, going to a real place.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
When you shaved your eyebrows head Forester Uncle classic that
will go down in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely a great time too.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
And as well, like I'm sharing sharing time with you
for I've got our morning breakfast before we recorded or
even after recorded, like.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
We have second breakfast after we recorded. Yeah, some go
out for lunch after reports.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
Recordings last for several hours, so you know, by the
time we're done, it's like well it's not for lunch
now for sure, So yeah, I love them. Reserved to
hang out with you, being a good friend to you
and and join your company for sure has been a
great experience too.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Meeting Terrence as well too.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
Terrence still and I I Terrence kind of fell off
the podcast, but we still communicate every now and again,
get to talk with each other, and so it's nice
to see him every now and again. And in general,
just having your company there's been a delight and a great,
a great presence of my life.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
So what do you think was the funniest moment that
you've been on the podcast so far?

Speaker 7 (09:53):
The funniest one I've been on the podcast so far
probably one of our last anniversary shows. We realize we
recorded a We were all set to record Harry Potter
and realized we.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Already did it the year before, the year before, the
year before. He was so excited, like, oh, yeah, let's
do it.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
I printed out this notebook or this telephone book, a
paper worth of all this work, and I kept thinking, man,
this seems familiar.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
This seems really familiar. They could to find out.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Yeah, So I think another one would be the whole
Predator debacle.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
We had and we were.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
Recording The Predator as the anniversary show, and it was
a good one.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I mean we were the jokes were timed, the best
podcast never heard, and I deleted.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
It somehow, So there was two movies we did that
and something else we recorded the same. I said, Kyle,
I said, I've lost it because like, what do you mean?
I said, oh, that's gone. I said, I cannot find it.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Best episode.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
Iver meant, oh, it was terrible. I still feel bad
about that. Oh it's fine. Stuff happens. So as Kyle
will be transitioning out of the podcast, the new co
host will be transitioning in, and it's going to be
different because this new co host is all the way
in Texas, and I'm hoping I know he's a good guy,

(11:13):
but I'm hoping the audio quality and everything still shows through.
So the next person I'd like to think is Jason Bond.
If you listen to this podcast, he came on and
we recorded Anaconda, which if you know Bond, Bond is
over the top two. But he's like he was like
a super fan. He I didn't even think he existed

(11:33):
because he was writing in on the Twilight Zone reviews
leaving like leaving reviews about the Twilight Zone, and I'm like, man,
I was like, okay, I said Eric, I said, I
don't know if this guy is real or not. I said,
but you know what I said, Bond, if you're out there,
email me, message me. I said, I want to have
you on next week. I said, because I don't think
you're real. I think it's one of our friends, like

(11:53):
Kyle Ribbinas saying something like that. I said, I want
to see if you're real. And sure enough, he's like, yeah,
it's me. Yeah, I'm real, and yeah that's my real name.
I said, Wow, okay, So but I think he's a
good fit. He's very he's older than I am, so
you know how I'm older than you, he's older than me,
So we're going to have that same dimensional.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I'll look on movies.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yeah, so mult you can't wait to see where that goes.
But you know, it's not just the people you work with,
it's also people you meet along the way. And so
these are some of the other podcast and friends that
I have met along the way. Some of these people
may not even know who I am, but you know
I've listened to their podcast because of Jerry and Tracy

(12:36):
and Hillbilly Horror Stories, and I got in contact with
some of these people, so I think it's really really cool.
So I first, you know, I gotta say Tim Mullins
and Sarah didonidis from you know HH Media with the
whole Hillbilly Whorehouse where I was part of the audio
drama that they did, and now they're working on solo

(12:57):
and I can't remember the name of his a new studio.
I wanted it was AHH Media, but I think it's
like forty one Studios or forty Studios or something, so
be on the look. I go listen and subscribe to them.
And then also probably the ones that have been the
closest to us, it's probably Brett and Carl from the
Evil Never Dies podcast.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah we did.

Speaker 6 (13:20):
We did a Planet of the Apes with with Brett.
We still got to finish some of that up. Tidy
that up some time, kind of like, na, I'm out
of here, you have.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
Real talk for a minute of here. I was kind
of advocate like maybe we shouldn't do a television show.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Maybe should just keep on the movie.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I think we should go back to the movies and
reignite that.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
Yeah, so you need to go check them out to
Evil Never Dies. They they're they're they're kind of older
than I am, but they're funny at times. Yeah yeah,
so really good people. So Brent Carl, we love you
there too. So then the fellows over at Middle Aged
and creeped Out, they were part of us and Jerry
and Tracy at our first live show we ever did,

(14:02):
and we we did it twice with them, So Todd,
Shawn and Aye them they're they're, they're they're good or
great people too. And then there are some that they
know me or I know them and they barely know me.
So that this Justin Rimmel with Mysterious Circumstance podcast. He's
a great guy. He's He's helped me with a lot
of questions I've had along the way to Shane Waters.

(14:25):
He does foul play I think is the name of
it now, but he was doing one about when I
went to my first live show with Jerry and Hillbly
Horse ories. Is him Justin Rimmel with Mysterious Circumstances and
Shane Waters and he told this the story about if
you ever go back and listen about it's called the
Red the Red Headed murders. It's about prostitutes that were

(14:49):
murdered down like through Tennessee along the stretch of interstate
and they were prostitutes and they don't have a name.
They never identified them, but with through the help of
him and him researching out, they have actually identified like
five out of the seven or nine women. And I
remember that he had made crosses and he went with
their names and they buried and he staked it into

(15:10):
the ground where they were found. So that that just
stuck with me, and I think he's a really great guy.
So then you have Nick and Rob from Brohio. They
know me as I always go to their shows, you
know what I mean. But they are they are, they
are off the cuff, they are very they're a different
breed if you will, like they're they're they're Their comedy

(15:30):
is kind of dark and humorous and and and and
uh unpolitically correct.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
If you will, so sure, but also well appreciated.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
And then you know, we have some people that have
become participants.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Of course, the.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Sirens is gonna come on our we've recorded to other
ones today and of course we haven't had a siren yet.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, you know what the Sirens Poda.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
Thinks the anniversary show, what would it be like without it?
But that's what happens when you live a mile away
from a hospital. So these are some people that are
always active in the Facebook. They they've come on our
real talks at times when we've had the zooms. So
these are some people. Sam Ferrell, I haven't talked to
him in a while, but he's the one that helps

(16:13):
set up our Facebook. The whole thing's been stued there.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
You have Natalie Knight, who did our awesome artwork for
us for the podcast.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
We love that.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
If you have you yeah, if you want to get
a T shirt with her designs on it, we have
all three of our designs that she's done for us.
She is like our go to artists because I like
the work she does and she does a great job.
And if you you should see some of the stuff
she's worked on, like video games, animation stuff. Look at
if you go to our Facebook page, type in Natalie Night,

(16:50):
it'll just go to a profile and you'll see some
of the stuff her drawings of like bunnies and all that.
She's a really great lady and she's getting to get married,
so congratulations congratulations. Then we have Tiffany Boots. Tiffany's always
been there, been a great friend. Then kind of a
newer person that's been kind of hopping into the podcast

(17:12):
group is c K Donagan. He posts some funny stuff
in there, uh and some some other movie related trivia
from some other YouTubers and stuff that I had never
heard of. So I watched some of the stuff that
he since and someone say thanking to c K. Then
he had Christine Collier all the way out in l A. Yeah,
she's joined us for what was the the Haunting?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
Then he had Patrick Sheehan, who's an old friend from
my old facility at Ford. And you know, I have
Dave and Laura Martin, they've they've been my best friend's
Patrick Goodnight, he's been on here. And then recently Dustin
Glenn Anderson. I'm gonna let the cat out of the
bag here, so Dustin and I'm gonna throw Jackie Johnson

(17:58):
in here too.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
So I probably shouldn't do this, but I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna do it anyway.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Kyle.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
It's my sixth Editord Shoe, and my golly, I'm gonna
do it. That's right, So I'm gonna tell this story.
So I of course went to Jerry's showing a funeral
if you will, and there was something about, you know,
you become friends with these people, but then you don't

(18:25):
realize the impact you in life. When he mentioned me
from beyond the grave because he recorded his own eulogy
and he said my name, you know, I must have
meant something to him, you know, I mean it was
very personal and that and I will never take I
will take that stuff that happened there to the grave
because some of that stuff that was so personal and

(18:45):
family oriented.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
It was.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
It was a very loving and emotional time. At the
end of that, Dustin was I had seen Dustin at
several live shows. He always come. I was up there
with Jackie when we were doing the Elvis thing. He
remembers the Elvis ca So we said, hey, you know

(19:08):
Tim Mullens was there. I never met Tim. And Tiffany
was there and Sarah and I said, hey, you guys,
want to let's go get some Texas Roadhouse?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
You know.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
We went to Texas Roadhouse afterwards just to talk and
Sarah had to leave, but it was me, Tim and Tiffany.
We went and Dustin sat next to me and we
just started talking and we started talking about conspiracies like
nine to eleven and jfk assassination and all this stuff.
So he's like, I always wanted to start up by us.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I said, do it.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
I said it's not hard. I said, if I can
do it, anybody can do it.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Right.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
So we started talking and then you know, I said, well,
if you want to do something ese, I'll do it
with y'all, teach you the ways. He's like, okay. So
next thing I know, Dustin's again, Homie. Were message each
other and we decided that we are going to do
a podcast together, and it's going to be something different

(20:04):
than the Tragedy of Cinema. It is going to be
called Dark Discoveries. Okay, this will be things that cover conspiracies, cryptids, murders,
missing children, egyptology, whatever we want to talk about. We're
going to talk about. Where we have little we'll have
bigger episodes. I'll tell you like one that's coming out

(20:26):
probably at the beginning, will be was Jack the Ripper
H Holmes, the serial killer in America versus the serial
killer over there in Whitechapel. So we're putting that all together,
and we brought Jackie into so it's gonna be me,
Jackie and Dustin when we release this.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
It's coming soon.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
We're working out some stuff next week to hammer out
some final details to get an official release date, because
we are getting together next week to record an episode
for Hillbilly Horror Stories. We want to give something back
to the Hillboy Horror Stories and Tracy we want to
put out some new content for him, So we're gonna
we're gonna release something for that, so great, be on

(21:08):
the lookout for that and be on the lookout for
Dark Discoveries soon. So but enough about Dark Discoveries. We
are now jumping into our sixth anniversary show.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah it's right. I forgot.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
It's only about about half hour right now.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
But it's our anniversary show, Kyle. We got to dig
into it.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
Gosh darn it, this might be the last one you're on,
so I'm taking my time.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, that's like, hurry up.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
We need a second breakfast, So Kyle, let's take.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Away all right. No no no, no, no no no, no,
all right, we're covering you know, you got to do this.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
And Batman, I said, Batman, not the peng one.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I can do it. I can't.

Speaker 7 (21:48):
Greg rastly enough came to that Rishian Bail voice. Nice,
Oh my gosh, we're covering Batman. The original June twenty
third and nineteen eighty nine film following the story of
the Dark Knight of Gotham City, begins as were on
crime in the first major enemy being Jack Napier, a
criminal who becomes the cloinndar'sly evil, homicidal shirk Joker.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
It was a Joker Joker.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
This film was directed by Tim Burton, written by Bob
Kane for the Batman character, Sam Ham for the story,
and Warren Scarring for the screenplay, and producers were Peter
Gouber and John Peters. Closer was Danny Elfman, cinematographer was
Roger Pratt, senator was Ray Lovejoy, casting director was Marion Doherty,
and production designer was Nson. First, let's hear, let's have

(22:34):
a prop. We have a plot summary of the film
written by Grants here. Actually, let's go to the budget film. First,
budget first.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's right. I'm trying to get this order format down
before I finally leave budget for the film. That's why
I will change it.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
When you leave exactly budget of the film was thirty
five million dollars in nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Pretty honestly even for the time.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
I think Ashley for this film and Ashley mus again
we talked about some other podcasts. It's pretty modest a
budget for her film as beautiful as Batman is. Just
for inflation, thirty five million would be about ninety point
two million dollars today.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Opening weekend.

Speaker 7 (23:09):
It made its money back then some with forty and
a half million dollars just for inflation to be about
one hundred and four point four million dollars, and then
gross in US Canada it made a whopping two hundred
and fifty one point four million dollars during for inflation
to be about six hundred and forty eight point three
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
And that's just the US in Canada.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
Once we get the gross worldwide, we make four hundred
and eleven point six million dollars. Jimbo nearly half a
billion dollars, and then in just for inflation that is
one point zero six billion dollars after inflation. That is
insane money, just absolutely incredible. Batman was a blockbuster to
in BLOCKUS. You weren't even born when this came out

(23:50):
where no no, no, I.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Was, I've stilled four years to go for I was born. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
Wow, I remember my grandma taking me and my cousin
to go see this I was in.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
All it's an incredible movie, jum. But it really holds
up in cribly well. Yeah, I love it. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
So as huge film right there, So huge blockbuster, like
in terms of budget and like returning investment like it
is the It is the film that makes Warner Brothers
kind of what it is today in many respects. So
you know, Batman is just a huge film.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
All right.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
So plot centary of the film written by person calling
himself Grants here, Gotham City crime boss Carl Gribson effectively
runs a town, but there's a new crime fighter in
down Batman, played by Malin Keton. Griston's right hand man
is Jack Napier played by Jack Nicholson, a brutal man
who is entirely saying. After falling out between the two,
Grisom has Napers set up with police, and Naper falls

(24:40):
into apparent death and that of chemicals.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Whoever.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
He soon reappears as the Joker and starts his raining
terror in Dathain City. Meanwhile, reporter Vicky Vale, made by
Kim Bassenger, is in the city to do an arcall
on Batman. She soon starts to Batman's She soon starts
a relationship with Batman's every day persona billionaire Bruce Wayne.
Moving on to the words for the film, we have
the twenty twenty two Oh sorry, guys, we have the

(25:04):
nineteen ninety a sc AP Film and Television Musical Awards
where it Wendesie Worn for Most Formed Songs from Motion
Bitcher for Prince's song the party Man.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh, just just party Man, not the party Man. Party Man.
I think that's where jokers dancing in the street with
the yeah, the parade, nothing going on there too. Yeah,
a good song there.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
Amazing soundtrack with Anny Elfman as well too, just a great,
great soundtrack.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
And you know what, I didn't realize this until I
watched Batman again the other night that the whole animated
series has this oh using tour. Yeah, yeah, it's incredible.
That's a great series too. If you never Watchman series.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
Is like one of the best definitive Batman For me,
I think that's like, you know, like even more than
the comics, Like that is the definitive Batman and Batman
Animate series.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Everything kind of derives from it. Did you like, uh,
what was the Batman Beyond and Beyond? It was good? Yeah,
it was. It was different.

Speaker 7 (25:56):
I think it made sense. That's a successor in many
and many asked. But same time too, it's like it's
it's a different thing. It's its own beast in a way.
I think some of the things, especially with the end
of Batman Beyond, was a little bit controversial in my opinion,
but that's a story of another time.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
But it was a good series overall.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
Yeah, Batman name series, so it is just a really
I'm sure Batman perfectly in my opinion, so love that series,
Death and as well as his film movie on second award.
Here we have the ninety ninety Academy Awards where it
won the Oscar for Best Art Direction and on Set
Decoration for Anton First and Peter Young. Then for the
nineteen ninety BMI Film and TV Awards, we have the

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award winning for Best Film Music Award to Danny Elfman.
Then for the nineteen ninety BREAT Awards, we have the
Best Soundtrack once again to Danny Elman. Then for the
nineteen ninety Golden Globes, we have a nomination for Best
Formance by an Actor and Emotion Picture in Comedy or
Musical ord did Jack Nicholson. So I wouldn't be sure
Batman being necessarily a comedy, but it's definitely not a musical.

Speaker 6 (26:52):
This one might have been because you had remember when
Joe Hart's coming in with the boombox and Bob Bob
stay spray paint all that stuf.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Good point, point, it's fair enough.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
For the nineteen ninety Grammy Awards, we have a nomination
for Best Song Written Simically for a Motion Picture for
the song party.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Man, What's Again written by a Prince.

Speaker 7 (27:08):
And then we also have a nomination for Best Album
of the Original Instrumental Background Score written by a Foremost.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Picture by Danny Elfman. That concludes the awards for Batman.

Speaker 7 (27:18):
Going on some of the technical details here, we have
a run time of one hundred and twenty six minutes.
We have a sound mix of seventy millimeters, six track
W Stereo for the DVD versions and the W Digital
for the Blu Ray release and Watmos for the Blue
Rey release. Sorry, this is a color film. Aspect ratio
is one point eight five by one and the laboratory
was in Tendicolor of London, UK and nagative formack was

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thirty five millimeters east Man four hundred and T five
two nine to five. That's the technical details of the
film and production dates go from September nineteen eighty eight
to January nineteen eighty nine. So that's a quick turnaround
for the editing the other film especially, but the Timber
to January part is that's a pretty long long film
schedule overall for especially for a limited budget of just
thirty five million dollars even for the time. So that's

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some pretty impressive I think. And they got a lot
done for a pretty long stretch of time there, and
pretty impressive overall. And then I, oh, I messed up.
I want to get the casting done before the awards.
I've messed it up again.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
I'm glad you just you know, wanted to nail that
format down before you all left.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Exactly. It's I haven't left yet, folks, So like a
few move though. We wanted to dude, exactly, you can't
get rid of me just yet, whatever you say, Jimbo,
all right, for.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
Then you're gonna wake up on these days you're going, man,
I miss Jimbo.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm gon drive up. There's just so we can insult
me to my face. I just miss him birading me specifically,
not even him, just missing birading me. I just calm
up one day? Can you just call me? All right?
I could just be your uh.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
I could just be your notification when you get a
message on your phone.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Exactly, just to be a text every now and Again's okay,
I think you suck, thanks Jevo. Not even not even
playful just five minutes later, still sucks. All right? What's good?

Speaker 7 (29:04):
The cast of Batman nineteen eighty nine, we have the
legendary Michael Keaton playing the role of Batman slash Bruce
Wayne one the same spoiler spoiler I sorry, folks, sorry folks,
O case didn't really about Batman.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
Fun fact about Batman Bruce Wayne the Kyle. I have
a question, parent's a dead. Do you think Adam must
could have put off Batman in.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
This movie and this movie simply not? I think his
time kind of passed by then. I think I have
some stuff with the notes about it. Mm hm oh,
I bet. I'm sure it's kind of like a kind
of like Frank Sinatra and Die hard kind of situation.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
He's like, they offered the role and he's on his walker,
like what.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Adams is great? Yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
Michael Keaton, of course, known for a variety of films,
included Birdman at twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Mister mom, of course he's legendary. The Beetle Juice.

Speaker 7 (29:53):
I mentioned the movie Jack Frost, which is one of
the first movies I watched when I was a little kid,
where he was a snowman.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
You might have been in New.

Speaker 7 (30:02):
And we can do excellent, So Michael Keaton legendary actors
on right, then we haven't even perhaps even more legendary
actor and Jack Nicholson playing the role of Jack Napier
slash the Joker wanted the same once again. In this
case at least they kind of revised that were you know,
Joker was personal. Who murdered Batman's parents Wailer Batman tri
dad shocking? Yeah, yeah, Spider Man's uncle Ben also dead?

(30:23):
Who the Spider Man's uncle Ben? Oh allegedly? Yeah, you
know I heard a Darth Vader he's at Luks Guy's father.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Luke Guy's father.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
You didn't hear from me, so so Felipe I forgot
to mention him and the thing Felippe that did Three
Amigos with us. We used to go watch movies all
the time and I'd buy like, uh, the DVDs and
we go watch him at my house whatever. Yeah, And
I remember harts War came out, which was Bruce Willis
like World War two movie. Yeah, and being Felipe talk

(30:59):
and then we had had watched it and he's like, oh,
heart's worried. He's like, oh, yeah, Bruce Willis dies and
he says or he gets shot or he dies, it's something.
He said, he gets shot, and UH said, man, he said,
don't worry. I said, well, he get shut. He said
he got shot in the chest or something. And I said, oh,

(31:20):
what does he Soviet? He said no, no, he got
shot in the head. I was like, well, thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I remember how. I don't remember how the conversation and
I was like, I was like, oh he dies. I
was like, he said he got shot, I said, he said,
I said, man fully base mother, he said in the head.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
I was like, Oh, that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
I love it. You should just say that's the end
of all movies.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
I gotta tell another Philipe story because it's hilarious. He
had a tracker, you know on them little jeep looking
things with the he pulled back the lid like a jeep.
And so we're going to see a movie and I'm
in a shruker, I said, I said.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Phil, how does this thing open? We were at a stoplight.
How does this thing open?

Speaker 3 (32:03):
You know?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
He's like, wall, Jimbo buy, He's yelling, have me the
little short arms, trying to reach up there. Thing. Well
as he did, his foot lifted off the clutch and.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
He backed into a brand new oh my god, still
paper plated. I want to say it was like a
Jaguar or something. Some is like one of these really expensive.
He's like, Jimbo, I'm gonna kill you. I said, hey,
I said, I just want to know how it opened.
I said, you're the ones that hit the guy. So
me and Flippe we've been through a lot too. So'st

(32:33):
we love you too, Felippe.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, you guess me a good friend to still be
friends with you after that.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
Oh yeah, Oh it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Okay, good flip Bay stories. Flipp is a good guy.
Miss him.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
Okay, Next up, we have Kim Bastard you're playing the
role of Vicky Vale. Kim Baster was also in the
film La Confidential in ninety seven and Wayne's World. Next Up,
we Got Rupert Wall playing the coroll of Alexander Knox.
Rupert Wall was also in the film Our Lists in
nineteen ninety six and Good Morning Vietnam As we.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Go Morning.

Speaker 7 (33:07):
Actual had Jim, but I can't read there, Jim, help
me on notes on here? I can't read his handwriting.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
What's that? Was there? Right there? The Bull Durham, Bull Durham.
You ever seen Bull Durham? Never heard of it? You've
never seen bull Dorm.

Speaker 7 (33:17):
You never seen Bull Durham. I have to have a
backlist of things that should watch some day.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Would might? I have to put that on the list
for next time. I'm an uncultured swine. Jimbo, it's a
baseball movie. Baseball say It? Kevin Costner and Susans Rand
Oh gosh. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (33:32):
One of the podcasts I listened to called a remap Radio.
They didn't do any movie podcast or something recent. They've
been on a sports movie trick. So I've been watching
movies for the first time. They're sports movies like we watched.
They've they started with Hoosiers, which I had seen before,
but then they went on like Rudy and now they're
doing it much of other films. It's just like they've
watched eighty for Brady, which I never watched before.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
So I watched that film the first time.

Speaker 7 (33:50):
So I've been watching sports movies for the first time
in like my life really because I I'm not really
a big sports fan.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
But uh, that's been an interesting road. So yeah, it's
been a lot.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
So maybe i'd Bill Durham, Bruce was Built, Bullderam Bulderham Bulderham. Okay,
I'm gonna add to the back list of sports movies
I need to watch or recommend people.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
Yeah, Kyle, how many sports movies have you actually watched
besides the ones I just lost a yard that we
just watched. Uh, probably listened a dozen Major League? No,
you can just probably cause any much movies. I haven't
seen him. Yeah, Ready to Rumble, No holds barred? Uh,
Ready to Rumple, I've watched it was. Wasn't that the
wrestling movie?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah? Yeah, I was Ready Rumbles. I've watched that.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
Sports have you ever watched? I did Watcher, I did
mention Hoosters, in the remap radio thing. So I've seen Hoosiers. Yeah,
but yeah, most sports movies I don't really bother with,
just because I'm not sports fan, just never really happened.
Nothing gets sports, you know, but just never been like
A I don't know, I don't I never have that.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I don't have that team identity. I never did. I
never had it. I don't watch him though. It's weird.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
But anyways, hang on to the cast. Here again, we
have Pat Hangle playing the role of Commissioner Gordon. Pat
Hangle was in one of the great film called That
Quickened the Dead nine ninety five.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Next up we have Leton great Billy d Williams playing
Harvey Dent.

Speaker 7 (35:08):
Billy Williams is best known, perhaps as well as Lando
in the Star Wars original trolls.

Speaker 6 (35:13):
Lando's last name Kyrisian good Sir, all right, you actually
know something?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He was also in command of Conquer
three Tyberia Waite was and he also did what Cold
forty five commercials, MA, I met Billy d Williams. You
did celebration.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Yeah, I think it's hanging right down on the wall.
I think it was celebration too. Down here in Indian
episode Somebody Today, And when I went down there, it
looked like he was having a bad day dude, because
he had his sunglasses on his side the Commasion Center
and he had his hand on his head on the
table like those days, and people are breaking him like
cold forty five to sign I just want you as

(35:54):
the skiff guard and.

Speaker 7 (35:56):
Yeah, yeah, but it seems like everything hard about him.
He's a cool guy, so Billy Wings to school. I
like him mixed up. We have Michael Goff playing the
role of Alfred. Michael Goff hopefully apparents I read Goff.
I believe it was Michael Gough best known for basically
this role in the film as Alfred, and also he
was in the film A Top Secret as well, and
as well as Batman and Robin nine nety seven, so
he kind of reprised his role continue on the films

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even past when Michael Keaton wasn't playing Batman, so good
for him on that he had a gig and he
stuck with it. And next time we have Jerry Hall
playing Alicia. Alicia. Jerry Hall was also in the film
Free Jack in nine ninety two. Then we have Tracy
Walter playing Bob the Goon. Tracy Walter was in the
film Repo Man nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
We Love Bob the Goon, and.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
He's also in co hint Connan Conan The Destroyer.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Oh my god, that's a different movie. Con Man the Barbarian.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
Con Man the Barbarian Conan the Destroyer, and I spit
on your grave so classic.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Holl's right there.

Speaker 7 (36:50):
And then then the last two here we'll have Lee
Wallace playing the mayor. Lee al Wallace was in one
of my actually one of my personal favorit films, I'm
Chicking Appella on one two three nineteen seventy four. That
film as a messed up in the movie They're taking
a Pelham one two three.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
They remade that.

Speaker 7 (37:04):
They remade it with Don John Volta and Denzel Washington.
It was actually really good remake, but the original is
also pretty messed up to It had a Walter mouth
out in it, as well as a couple a couple
of other big name actress at the time.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Excellent film or Washington down. They may have do podcasts
about that someday. Added to the list to the list
When I'm not here and when I'm not here, A
bunch of movies. I still kind of want to do
a podcast for a bit, really easier in my life
and convenient, but they're not anymore. Sorry.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
The next time we have William Hootguin's playing Real with
Edward Wigar. Hoogins was also in the film Star Wars,
a little known film, a little independent film, Star Wars
episode New Hope in nineteen seventy seven. And that's going
to conclude the the cast list for Batman nineteen eighty nine. So, Jimbo,
now we move on to the trivia.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
And boy do we have a lot of trivia. I
know you do you want me to give you some
of these? Give me some pages, Jimbo, smacky, smack you
with this.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
This is like the tortilla challenge where I just smacked
me in the face with a yeah, I wouldn't want
to hurt the paper.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Here's the paper has more value. Okay, here we go.
So let's think the first one. I have a question
for you. I have answers for you, Jimbo. Vicky Velle
was practiced.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Obviously obviously she knows Batman's identity in this right because
Alfred at the end and he's like, oh, Master Bruce
said he'll be late today. Does this explain and Batman
returns where she is? I think so, I does it
say something that if I remember Craigly, there's something about
didn't work out or something, cause that's when he gets

(38:37):
in with Michelle Pfeiffer. Also, yeah, I like Michelle Pfeiffer
that I've seen it. I think I might have posted
on the Facebook where she went and seen her costume
again that was in the glass.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Ket so awesome.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
Yeah, no, I not, to my knowledge, I don't think
they actually talk about much about Vicky Vale. But yeah,
I think they just say as much like it just
didn't work out and they split ways.

Speaker 6 (38:59):
I think they mentioned I just want to make sure
that I was dating a little guy known as Superman.
Oh well sorry, Mark. Yeah, all right, Kyle, this is
this trivia right here. This is some of the stuff
that you don't really think about till you start thinking back, like, wow,
that took this long. So the first draft of this movie, Kyle,

(39:23):
was written in nineteen eighty by Superman co writer Tom
Menkowitz and told the story of Batman and Robin's origins.
The villains were going to be the Joker and the
Penguin and Rupert Thorn and Barbara Gordon were also to appear,
so they were gonna have Batgirl in there too.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
Burton didn't get the green light film for this until
the box office result of Beetlejuice. This movie began filming
in October. It only took twelve weeks to shoot this movie.
But I mean, can you imagine if they came right
out of the gate with Batman and Robin and Batgirl
and you know, Joker the Penguin.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I mean, filling out the universe that fast.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
I mean, like I I wish we would have had
more Tim Burton Batman movies because they look so cartoony.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
They're awesome. Yeah, I know, they're incredible in many ways.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
And the thing that I really, really, really really really
if there's one thing I could go back and change,
I wish Michael Keaton would have done all of them,
stayed Batman the entire time. You know, Like what, I
think Michael Keaton is the best Batman slash Bruce Wayne
Combo that they have. Christian Bell did good, yeah, Adam

(40:36):
West did good. Yeah, But if I'm going for who's
the best, Bruce Wayne, who's the best. But I think
Val Kilmer did a really really good job as Batman
Bruce Wayne, not so much Batman. Yes, yeah, George Clooney,
they can take his and throw it in the trash
dumpster fire for all that matters, because when he I
had zero.

Speaker 7 (40:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I I entirely agree with you
on there, Valcim Yeah, I did a great Batman and
like didn't quite sell it as Bruce Wayne. But Michael
Keaton did the best job of playing both realistically believably
not realistically believably as both characters being who they are,
and it's really it's, you know, it's a it's an underrated,
how like difficult of a role Batman and Bruce Wayne

(41:18):
are as characters being played. I think Christian Bale did
the next job of doing his own take on those
kind of things, but as well too. I think it's
mostly a Batman strick story where Christian or Bruce Wayne
is kind of a passenger to the Batman's you know,
kind of reality, and I think it's I'm very curious
to kind of how those shoes get filled in your
future with kind of like James guns, you know, DC

(41:38):
you kind of stuff going forward. I'm kind of curious
see how that goes to and hopefully they have a
good relationship with Superman. But very curiously it goes Michael
Keaton here really knocked it out in the park and
set a huge So.

Speaker 6 (41:50):
Are you saying that you think Michael Keaton was great
casting as Batman and Bruce Wayne, Yeah, well, Kyle, the
casting of him caused a controversy amongst comic book fans, oh,
with fifty thousand protest letters sent to Warner Brothers offices thousand.

(42:12):
Bob Kane, Sam Ham and Michael e Uzlin also heavily
questioned the casting. You have the creator of Batman questioning
why Michael Keat was okay?

Speaker 7 (42:22):
The critter Batman I would take very very seriously, right,
I would have been Batman.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I wouldn't take serious to get off. Well, I mean,
there's one person who shouldn't cast things. It's fans. That's
true in all media. I think yea, you either die
a hero and lived long enough to become the villain. Right.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
So, Kim Basinger was the original choice to play Vicky Velle,
but her agents wouldn't let producer John Peters meet with
her unless he made her an offer, and then she
ended up being busy, so Sean Young was cast instead,
but then Young broke her collar boom while practicing horseback
riding for a scene set on the grounds of Wayne
Manor and had to drop out of the movie. Basinger
received an emergency call one week before the commencement of

(43:00):
filming and accepted the part. Wow, short notice for sure,
So would you like, Oh, well, we're not going to
take this role unless you make me an offer. I'm
not going to audition unless you make me an offer
when I do it. That's kind of it's hardball. Yeah,
but then, oh, we need you, come on, whatever you want.
Jack Nicholson convinced the filmmakers to cast his close friend

(43:23):
Tracy Walter, and he played Bob the Goon.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Bob, Bob gun, Bob Goon, No, Bob the Gun.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
Memories say, Bob gunn he takes out shoot Bob.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Just that, Bob. Look what you made me do?

Speaker 6 (43:38):
Tim Byrne hired Danny Elfin to compose the music score,
Iconic Score That It Is Again. They were skeptical of
hiring Elfin, but was later convinced when he heard the
opening number, which if you listen to it now, it's amazing,
and it's cast into that Batman the anime series.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
It's iconic. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
In order to combat negative rumors about the production, the
theatrical trailer was hastily assembled to be distributed to theaters.
To test this effect, the Knows Warner Brothers executive showed
it at a theater in Westwood, California to an unsuspecting audience.
The ninety second trailer received a standing ovation, later would
become a popular bootleg at comic book conventions.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
That's a bootlegging a trailer. Yeah, that's fair. I'd like
to see it. Yeah, but surely it's gonna be on
YouTube somewhere.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
This movie was released the year of the fiftieth anniversary
of Batman. The character George Michael you know George Michael
is yeah performer okay, and Michael Jackson, originally supposed to
be Batman and Rop originally both considered for contributions to
the film soundtrack in addition to Prince, with the latter

(44:42):
being concerned for the film's love theme while Prince wrote
songs for the Joker. Jackson turned down the opportunity down
due to his commitments. So that would have been cool
to see Michael Jackson song of Batman.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
That was amazing. Sure, John word did.

Speaker 7 (44:56):
Michael Jackson also wanted to like he was gonna be
Spider Man one point right, it's something crazy like that.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I want to say that.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
I don't know a real life story where like he
was actually gonna like they were going to do a
Spider May movie where Michael Jackson was going to play
Spider Man.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I think it was like Addikolaus, was that because I was?

Speaker 6 (45:11):
I was.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I was kind of like you setting me up for
a joke here, No, because I can make a lot
of jokes right now, I want to say that was
like because like I think I was.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
I was originally going to just say like it was
just a soundtrape, like No, I think actually they wanted
Michael Jackson to play Spider Man and that was like
the craziest thing ever. I'll look up to make sure
it's real. But I want to say another same play Robin.
All right, Kyle, this is another one of those iconic
things that Jack Nicholson did.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Are you ready? Yes?

Speaker 6 (45:40):
Jack Nicholson received a percentage of the gross on this film,
and due to its massive box off mistake, he took
home around sixty million dollars and justin for inflation, this
Eaqule was too roughly one hundred and forty three point
four million dollars in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Gosh, so he voted to I'll just take a persition.
I think Bruce Willis did that sixth sense if I remember.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
It, I remember, Oh, gosh, Matt, Matt Damon, he declined
the percentage gross of Avatar. He was gonna be the
main star of Avatar, and he declined taking a percentage.
I think it was like like some crazy like one
tenth of the money like he would have. He literally
turned down. He's literally turned down the.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Most money of any Hollywood actor in his entire career.
Did you feel sick?

Speaker 6 (46:22):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I would don just every day. Just oh my god.
I said no to being a multi millionaire, almost a billionaire,
just to be the main star of Avatar. Yeah, so
you can climb more money.

Speaker 7 (46:32):
I looked it up real quick in the very much
well granted Schoogle out Schoogle's AI over You, which I
don't trust. But in the early nineteen nineties, Michael Jackson
are poorly attempted to acquire the acquire Marvel Comics. Marvel
comics in general, with the primary at tension of playing
Spider Man in a movie. So that was I'm pretty
sure that was a real thing that actually have Michael
Jackson tried to acquire Marvel Comics just so he could

(46:54):
play Spider Man movie.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Oh that's why he was hanging his baby out the
balcony window.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
At fifty eight minutes and twenty three seconds, the flag
of Gothlam City scene in Harvey Dent's office closely resembles
the state flag of Indiana blue background, yellow stars and
the torch Hoosi Harvey Harvey Dza Hoosier good Man. In
the original script, the paper for which Knox and Vicky
worked for was the Gotham Gazette, the actual newspaper from
the comics. Tim Burton does have a director's cameo. He

(47:25):
is about over one hour and one minute into the film.
He's one of the joker goons in the museum scene,
which is funny. Great to go around spray painting.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
He's like, no, not that one.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
For its first video release, the film was grated slightly higher,
as cinema audience had complained that it was filmed so
dark that they could hardly see what was going on,
which a lot of Batman is dark. At around thirty minutes,
in the newsroom scene, Vicky Ville and Alexander Knox examine
a map of Gotham City which has been marked with
Batman sightings. The map is actually a map of Vancouver,
British Columbia that has been rotated ninety degrees, putting north

(47:55):
on the left hand side of the screen, so.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
It's British Columbia turned. I like it.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
I like it.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
The Batmobile, which is a cool batmobile by the way, legendary,
was built on the chassis of a Chevy and Paula,
incorporated the engine of an Impala, the tail lights of
a Ferrari, and the fuel caps of a London bus
and jet engine barts from a Harrier jump jet. The
sliding cockpit was also inspired by that of a Harrier,
with a slim windows of a gun emplacement. Our director

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Terry Ackland snow added the headlights of a Honta Sific
to the vehicle after notice of them on his wife's car.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Just made it look ridiculous. I love it. It's a
great ridiculous looking car.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
At around one hour and three minutes, the painting that
the Joker spares during his vandalism spree. Is Francis Becan's
nineteen fifty four figure with meat. The real painting is
in the permanent collection of the Art Instituit of Chicago.
The painting would also be featured in the Joker movie.

Speaker 7 (48:48):
So all right, I'll probably need to do like three
pages here because we only have like a couple notes
on each page. So Michelle Michelle Pfeiffer, who was Daty
Michael Kane at the time, was asked to audition for
Vicky Vale, but Keating was against it, saying it would
be awkward. Fiver he would later be cast alongside Keaton
asked Lena Kyle and Catwoman and Batman returns after the
relationship had ended.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
That's the worst possible to where He's probably like, what
if you break up? It would be really awkward. You
could play cat years later. That's hilarious. The studio wanted
John Williams to work on the film's music. Of course,
I want John Williams to work on our score too.
I want John Williams working on my podcast. John Williams
working on everything. Yeah, I'll never know where, like John Williams,

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like just like only thing wouldn't have to like paint
your house like, No, I don't want to compose music.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
I want him to compose music while I'm painting my
house exactly, Kyle, your painting looked like a fantastic.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
Tim Burton said, being in the used dark tank chemical
plant wasn't the most fun. Oh really, you wouldn't say that,
u din Burton was pretty much sick every day working
on the movie, so saf him on that thing, Tracy Walter,
Bob the Goon often jokes in hindsight this film that
immortalized him, but his character having an action figure with
a power kick.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Kyle, you need the Bob the Goon Bob power action figure.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
You have to look on any basics how much of
Bob the Power cack ability. It's probably like fifty bucks.
I'm going to bet you have to check it out.
Now find the Bob the Goon action figure. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
Jack Nicholson got into the habit of signing his Joker
gloves and giving them away his gifts to visitors on
the set, much of the sagrin of the costume designer
Bob Ringwood. Ringwood then asked Nicholson to cease giving out
the gloves and although he promised that he would kept
doing it. New gloves are constantly being made throughout the filming.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Ringwoodes mind.

Speaker 7 (50:38):
There must have been hundreds of signed Nicholson Joker gloves
out there. I feel like that's gonna be like a
faked thing.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
They sell. They sell now at Tom mc collins or
something like that too. These were selling. These were gloves
signed by Jack Nicholson. Rather they just green gloves. All right, Kyle?

Speaker 6 (50:50):
You ready, yes, scantage Bob the Goon Batman movie sealed
carted action figure toy Biz nineteen eighty nine with power Kick.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
One thousand dollars thirty four ninety nine. You can have
Bob the Goon.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
Wow, Okay, Kyle's gonna buy this Bob the Goon actual
figure with super Kick.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I mean the market now, you know, I got Mother's Day.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Oh well wait, manute, here's another one, Bob the Gooon
with the Joker on the card. Oh snap, forty four
ninety five. We can get both of them.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
I mean, I can get a Joker and Bob the Goon,
ah Man, the two my two fair Batman characters.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Bob Joke. It's fantastic. That's good, Boba good.

Speaker 7 (51:31):
I mean by the time of this recording not it's
Mother's Day is coming up. So look what I got you, mom,
Boba Goon, your favorite.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I love you. I think Bob the Goon deserves his
place in the studio here. So anybody be hung up.

Speaker 7 (51:46):
In a get Bob the Goon somewhere. Just put him
on the ceiling. Bob Lilly, Bob on the ceiling. I
should get the the I used to have the mh
what you have the bat wing batwing thing?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
That was really cool.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
Bout simple you get it up there to have Bob
the Goon hanging off of yeah good, yeah, yeah, hanging
out there by his ankle.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Be good.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
No, that'd be the joker on the statue, remember the
statue that that'd be good Argoyle.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I like it. I could.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
In nineteen ninety seven interview, b movie queen Julia Strain
said she and her husband Kevin Eastman, creator of the
teenage Muniant Ninja Turtles, bought one of the five battlebules
bit for the built for the movie. She said, there's
this guy, our Jim Mike Eisenberg, who let's that kind
of mimoribilia. I've done modeling for his wife. So we
know each other well, and we heard that we collect
that kind of stuff. He told us about an auction

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where one of the battlebueles was on the block, so
we went and bid fit and David Horfield actually got it,
but Warner Bergs wouldn't let him make Claudia Scholfield disappear
in it, so he gave it back and we got
it for the original low low price, which could which
could buy most people house. The only drawback is there's
only a five gallon gastick in it, and we were
only in There's only a five gallon gas stick in

(52:54):
it with all the other mechanical stuff in there, so
we only can drive for like one gas station to
the next.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
But still looks pretty cool doing it.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
That'd be awesome, Gus thinking of the battle bill that's
would you take that batmobile? Or would you take like
the sixty six batmobile?

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (53:08):
I like I like, I like Christian Balees, like the
tank rumbler tumbler. I think it looks fors trash. I
described it as my scribed as my brother as a
Lamborghinia style tank.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Hilarious.

Speaker 7 (53:20):
I think it looks like the dumbest thing in the world,
but also kind of amazing, So uh, I like that
one probably the most maybe.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Man actually the New Batman. The New Batman, that whole
like muscle car that just refeated with a jet engine
looks pretty great too. I love that as well. So
I'm curiously with The New Batman Part two. The New Batman.

Speaker 7 (53:36):
Bill tim Burton considered Brad Dorf to play Jack Napier
and the Joker, but the production team wanted someone more
mature looking and chosen Jack Nicholson, who definitely looked at Sure,
the man's been old for like fifty years, with whom
Dora started the one flu over the Cookies.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
And next with yeah technicson always look owed to me.
Even when he was young, he look old, even like
yeah one fliver, he looked pretty old. Yeah, yeah, it
was probably like twenty three. It was like my age.
Probably that movie.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (53:59):
The initial inspiration for the Joker's face we brought to
life by Bob Kane as by what silent movie do
you remember? Played by Conrad witt Gosh, the man who laughs,
he looks really crazy if you see him Jack Nicholas
instead of his role. The thing I like about the
Joker is that his sense of humor is completely tasteless.
The Layer said the Joker was one of his favorite

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roles he's ever played. It probably made him the most
money too.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Oh yeah sure.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
The only actor who appear in all four Burton and
Schumacher films are Pat Hingele, who was Commissioner Gordon, and
Michael go Alfred, he played They both played in all
four movies. Adam West here we Go, who was, of
course the original Batman, admitted that he was disappointed that
he was not asked to reprise the role in the movie.

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He was sixty one years old in nineteen eighty nine.
Also in his nineteen ninety four autobiography, he stated that
despite belief to the contrary, he was never even asked
hi make a cameo appearance as Thomas Wain, which would
have been cool, but adding that he would have declined
the role if it were offered to him. Wes later

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provided the voice of the Gray Ghost and Beware of
the greg Or be where the gret ghosts. It would
have been cool if he would have played Batman's dad
in this and got shot on the screen. I think,
or even like a cameo as a goon or something
I could have seen Boxy playing Alfred or some of
that too.

Speaker 7 (55:24):
Well, it would have been great, yeah, But the same time,
Adam West, you know, he perhaps seemed a little too
prideful in his Batman's contributions to accept a role like that.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
So I can never really see it happening.

Speaker 7 (55:35):
But it's unfortunate they couldn't get him for that kind
of role at least, right, although I think it was
absolutely the right call not to make him lead start
in this film when he was sixty one at the time.
Do an actress tarking a role. It's just ludicrous, I
would say ludicrous. But of course they brought back now
Heaton to play that in the flash, so it's like,
what is ridiculous now.

Speaker 6 (55:52):
Paul Burchard, who has a minor role in this movie,
also played a cop in The Dark Night at around
thirty five minutes. The surgical twos used to reconstruct the
Joker's face are the same props as the dent old
tools used by Steve Martin on Bill Murray in Little
Shop of Horrors. Cool Coincidentally, Jack Nicholson also appeared in
the original of The Little Shop of Horrors.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
In Murray's role.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Michael Keaton was unable to wear here. While wearing the batsuit,
he said that his claustrophobia helped to get him in
the proper mood to play Batman and made me go inward,
and that's how I wanted the character to go anyway,
to be withdrawn, he said. At around thirteen minutes at
the beginning of the film, Knox centers the press room
and is handed a cartoonish sketch of Batman, which is
a bat in a penstripe suit. It is signed by

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Bob Kaine, who is the co creator of the Batman comic.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Book Awesome Okay.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
The police file on Jack knapp on Jack naper List's
day of birth as April twenty second, nineteen thirty seven,
which is Technicalism's actual date of birth. Cool tak Nicholson
accepted a salary of six million dollars for doing this movie,
even though his average salary was ten million dollars. With
the closet he would take a percentage of earnings and
merchandise on the unproven franchise, where he made over fifty

(57:00):
million dollars or the CAU about a hundred million dollars
in today's money, just from that one decision to make
under the which actually recovered a little earlier but still
over one hundred million dollars of value basically today, Like just.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
To have one million dollars, you got to have a
hundred million. Yeah, it's always kind of a shocking me.

Speaker 7 (57:16):
Was just like, you know, like what do you do
after you make that kind of retirement money? I just like,
I don't even know. It's like like like Jack Looks
could have done anything. You could just seld perfume or
something like that. It's like perfect, but instead like he
chose to keep acting, which is like this thing acting
must be a lot of fun. But same time, it's
just like, you know, if I made a hundred million dollars,
you'd never see me again.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Well.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
I think it was Patrick Ewing that was a basketball
player and he said, you know, we make a lot,
but we spend a lot. I was like, I think,
if you have it, you probably spend more than you
think you do. Yeah, you get expensive habits, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
But at the same time, it's just like I I'd
always think like if I made that kind of money,
I would just kind of just spear out the face
of your waiter, cut my lobster, and feed it to me.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
I'm too busy relaxing for the rest of my life
and too busy, too busy relactions of my life to
do anything of consequence. So that's where I would be
if I became absurdly.

Speaker 6 (58:01):
Wealthy, I'm sure. But I'm sure a lot of these
people donate the charities a lot.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
Oh yeah, charities like that too, Like there's a lot,
there's a lot of things you can do, and I'm
sure the actuality if I came to a lot of money,
I would actually do things still, But it's always surprising
to me to see that kind of be the case
where it was like you been one hundred million dollars and.

Speaker 6 (58:17):
You're still working what Bob Kane was scheduled to be
in this film in a cameo, but he became really
ill and the shooting of the scene was not rescheduled.
But he did actually cameo in Batman Forever. Oh I
never knew that, did you?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
No? I didn't know.

Speaker 7 (58:31):
Idea Kim Bashner is seeing taking off her shoes for
no oparent reason while exteeing the battlehel is actually the
fact that she was scraping the paint while katting out
the paint was important from Japan and was very sensitive,
so I kept needing to reape hate. The bell Tower
Pulley forms the shape of a bat When Vicky Velli
and Bruce Wayne are walking around, Wayne Man or Kim

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Basseard pools off her shoes and re marks my feet
are killing me. This was ad lived by the actress
because of her three inch heels she was wearing were
in fact hurting her feet.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
That's since Kyle Sweet hurts when he wears three inchills too. Exadly,
it's a scene you'd have like blisters, has the pancakes
by the end of the day, Kyle.

Speaker 6 (59:06):
This is the only live action Batman film to feature
only one super building from the comics. I think all
the other ones have two or more. Okay, right, yeah,
because the new one, the new one the the Batman.
It had the Riddler and had the Penguin.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Right, yes, Ridler and yeah it sposedly nick one might
have mister Freeze, all right, Kyle.

Speaker 6 (59:30):
Robin Williams was offered the role of the Joker when
Jack Nicholson hesitated. He had even accepted the role when
producers approached Nicholson again and told him Williams would take
the part. If he did not, Nicholson took the role
and Williams was released. Williams resented being used as bait
and not only refused to play Riddler and Batman forever,

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but also refused to be involved in any Warner Brothers
productions until the studio apologized. His next project with the
studio would be Father's Day. We could have had a
world where you had Robin Williams as the Joker or
the Ruler. Both would have been I wish you would
have played both of them.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
That I entirely understand Rob wains w Wasing' hurt by
that being used as bait and like as a bait
basically that absolutely terribly didn't get a chance to see
him in in a Batmantiner role where him playing like
a devious kind of funny person, because like he would
have done it obviously so well, and there's like, there's
no doubt Rob Wallis would have knocked out of the
park whatever he did. Yeah, and it's not even a bait.
But kids like, oh, I can't really see it, Like, no,

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I can absolutely see it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Jim Carrey did good as the Riddler, a little over
the top, though you know what I mean, Like, it's different.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
Where your Dichelson did at great performance here. But Rob
Williams is just Robin Rillams. You know, a guy can't
do no wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
Turning down the role of Alexander Knox, Steve Martin and
Daniel Stern, they both turned it down. Martin later turned
down the role of the Riddler and Batman.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Forever as well.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
So I mean, yeah, Steve Martin, Martin made a good too. Yeah, yes,
I think you have a better two face. I think
Tom Jones and then Martin Short as the Riddler, I answer,
they would have hilarious. Upon release, it became both the
highest grossing Batman movie and the highest grossing film adaptation
of any DC Comics character. Both records were eventually surpassed

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by The Dark Knight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I'm cackling. I have Martin Short as the Riddler. He
would have not. I know. Martin Short's one of my
favorites of all time.

Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
Man, yeah, Martin Short, Oh, man, I the guy has
too few movies for as for as amazing, as funny
as he is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Uh, he's great. Martin Short's amazing. Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
Only murders in the building, great TV show. I haven't
watched it. I'm on season three of that show. You
like it, you start watching for the first time, It's great.
It's so awesome, especially when you have a podcast that
they're doing podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
It's like, yeah, yeah, it's it's great. I really think
the show great.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
Jack Nicholson revealed an interview that the strange dance the
Joker does when he exits Vicky Vell's apartment when he
raises his arms, it makes a farting noise and runs
Off's something called the burn dance, which he improvised during
the take. He took it from his friend of.

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
His like wait, despight cause a huge and mural of
interest in the Batman franchise. Burgess Burgess made off of
Meredith and Bert Ward were the only cast members from
the Batman TV show to attend the premiere.

Speaker 6 (01:02:15):
You know who Burgess Meredith was in the original right
or Burgess Meredith.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
I don't know. Burgess Meredith was the ping one from
nineteen sixty six. I don't know. I didn't watch Connle.

Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
He was also the father and grumpy old Men. Remember
where he dies on the day that that's Burgess Meredith.
You know when you know when he goes to the
grocery store. He's like, hey, there, you wanna, Yeah, you
wanna come to my eye and come on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
I want to like you know that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
I know it is okay, but that is not a
female I thought Burgess was a female name. Sorry, yeah,
that's terrible, My my, my bad. I didn't watch much
of the West TV show. Really, I say on YouTube,
that's the best thing to get on West TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
He played the perfect being one though. That's fantastic.

Speaker 7 (01:02:56):
Catherine O'Hara, fresh from Beutal Juice from another Tim Burn
Timburke film, was announcing that Trads was having a role
in the film before release, but not ended up in
the finished film.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Batman featured a character named Chief O'Hara, though.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Yep, had the bat wing been built to size, it
would have had a thirty five foot wingspan. The Batcave
was created on Pinewood Stage D and completely filled its
eighteen one and fifty square feet. Neither Tim Burton nor
Michael King had any previous exposure to the Batman comic books.

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How in the world is that even possible?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
You gotta think like that Burton looks were just not
as popular as they were back then.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
Burton was given every issue of Batman's first year in
comics before Robin was introduced a Detective Comics number twenty
seven May from nineteen thirty nine through number thirty seven
March ninety forty one, Keen was given the graphic novel
The Dark Knight Returns.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah, I mean I gotta think like like like.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Before Batman nine nine, like the comic was, were still
considered a kind of a niche hobby for the most part.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
It took two hours for the makeup artist to change
Jack Nicholson into the Joke. Poker three one hundred and
fifty five silicone adhesis had to be used due to
Nicholson's allergy despair agum. Prosthetic makeup designer Nick Deadman used
acrylic based paint makeup paint called packs for Nicholson's chalk

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white face. It was tricky finding the right shade of
white in contrast to the dark sets and nightings, since
a pure white would blow out the brightness and flatten
the contrast in Nicholson's face. Before signing his contract, Jack
Nilsson demanded approval over the makeup designer and his designs.
The designer of the Joker makeup turned out to be
Nick Deadman. He sculpted six Joker designs, two of which

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were shown are chosen by him and Tim Burton and
sent to Nicholson. After proving one design, Nicholson signed the contract.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Oh here you go.

Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
You know who the first choice to play the role
of Bruce Wayne Batman. Who was first choice Mel Gibson.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
Oh, because he was already committed to Lethal up it
two he would eventually consider to play Harvey did and
Batman forever. Boba's four to turn down due to commitment
to bravehearts so good Mel Gibson and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Pulled it off. So the problem is it's the Mel
Gibson I know now is coloring my idea of what
He's a great actor. He really is. He's also crazy,
but he's a great actor. You're right, You're right, and
a lot of crazy actors are a lot of crazy.
Were good.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
I think he could have been a great Bruce Wayne.
I would have been curious to see it. I would
have been curious to see it. Okay, well, here this
one will get you too.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Then.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
So this fella, a little guy named Pierce Brosnan, met
with Tim Burton to play Batman, but he turned it
down because I just couldn't really take it seriously. Any
man who wears his underpants outside his pants just cannot
be taken seriously. That was my foolish stake on it.
It was a joke, I thought. But how wrong was
I don't get me wrong, because I love Batman and
I grew up on Batman as a kid in Ireland.
We used to get in our raincoats and tie them

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around our necks and swing through the bicycle.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Shit.

Speaker 6 (01:05:49):
Burton and Brosden ended up working together on Mars Attacks,
and Brosen later was casting another DC hero, Doctor Fate
and Black Adam.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Okay, Broslin would have knocked up Bruce Wayne because he
just played James Bond, you know what I mean? So
naturally yeah, yeah, he would have worn that like a glove.
But man, I don't know. I have no idea. Yeah,
I have no idea. My guess is probably not well,
but here we go. Let me get through this page.

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
Bill Murray was rumored to have been attached to a
comedic irritation iteration of someone by Ivan Redman. However, while
promoting Quick Changer on episode dated thirteenth of July, nineteen ninet,
he denied ever being conserved for the role of rendering
his alleged idea of Batman film non existent. Okay, for this,

(01:06:33):
Ivan Redmond was going direct to the comedy of Batman, right, yeah,
i'men Yeah. So for the role of Robin, Michael J. Fox, No,
I can see it, I can see it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:45):
Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy's Batman Robin. Oh, Eddie Murphy is
Robin in the comedy. I mean, you know, choice ethnicity outside.
I guess you could do a good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Job to pay for his role.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
Michael Kane did some research about bat study Frank Miller's
The Dark Knight Returns for inspiration, and lived alone in
London before production started.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Cool all right.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
A lot of people wonder how Batman managed to miss
a Joker several times Delivebrey on his batwing. The storyboards
for that scene, as present in the films making up books,
show that Joker was meant to dance around the bollets.
For whatever reason, they decided that Jakler's remaining stationary interface
worked better because it's more imposing. It looked cooler. But still,
that's right. It makes no sense that Batman couldn't you know,
murder him? But also it's pretty clear Batman shouldn't murder people,

(01:07:31):
so that's probably way they didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Joe what he got.

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
Shortly after completing the film, Tiburton said, I like parts
of it. If the whole movie is mainly boring to me,
it's okay. But it was more of a cultural phenomenon
than a great movie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Oh that's it. Sounds like a non comic book fan.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
With that, the assist pockets are getting filled by all
the comic book fans getting just.

Speaker 7 (01:07:56):
Piles upon piles of cash. Like, it's okay, that's Tim Burton,
all right. Gross forty million dollars to mestically and it's
opening weekend, then the biggest opening weeking gross in history,
breaking the record set by Gisberg's Too One Like Pyre.
It was also the first non sequel to break the records.
In Star Trek, the motion picture, Batman introduced the industry
trend of basing in film success on opening week in gross.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
Michael King came up with the famous line, I'm Batman line.
The line in the script was I am the night.
Now I have a question, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yes, I have answers. No, I am getting older.

Speaker 6 (01:08:30):
I've noticed I'll admt my my my memory is not
what it used to be, but it's still better than yours.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I remember.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
The scene at the beginning of this where he holds
up the guy where he goes who are you? Where
he goes, I want you to tell your friends. I
remember him saying I want you to tell your friends.
I want you to tell all your friends. I remember
to him specifically saying that have my lost my mind
is at an effect?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Or is that a different one?

Speaker 7 (01:09:02):
I wouldn't be surprised if that could have been like
another like cut of the film in the trailer or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Possibly, do you ever remember it? Though? I don't just
tell your friends, I want you to tell all your friends.
Like it sounds, He's like, who are you? He's like,
it's believable. I see that. I really thought that was
in there, and I watched this.

Speaker 7 (01:09:16):
I said, like a ben it, like, my memory is
such that if you told me that's exactly how it
happened in the film and that's how the film went,
I would believe you. So my guess is like, if
that's not how it went in the actual film, Like
there must have been a trailer cut or something like that,
some kind of alternate.

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
That, or it's in another like Batman Returns or something else.
But I thought it was one of these holding that
guy off the balcony.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
But what do I know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
I don't know. Jimbo, you're crazy, that's that's that's true.
Anybody that's friends with you or Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:09:40):
Batman grossed over a million dollars domestically every day for
forty five from second Days, most of any DC movies
tied with one woman. He was also a third of
most of any movie at that point after et S
Eighty Days and Ghostbusters.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
Peter O'Toole was considered for the Penguin when Tom Makawitz
was attached. It's crazy that all these people, well all
these other villains and Robin and all these other people
that were going to be in this that they were like, well,
they're not even in the movie anymore, Wait till Batman Returns.
The police were called in when two reels of footage
about twenty minutes were stolen. Can you imagine it being

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stolen in on the black market?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
The day they would have been like, guess somehow to
get serviced on If They Got It Back.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
Amazing Costume designer Bob ring With studied over two hundred
comic book issues for inspiration. Twenty eight sculpted late text
designs were created, twenty five different cape books and six
different heads were made, accumulating a total cost of two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Tim Burton disliked the Prince songs.
They were John Peter's idea, so he's like, yeah, I
don't even care for that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:39):
At the time we released, this was the fifth highest
grossinging film worldwide after et Lectural, Thrushield, Star Wars, The
New Hope, Indiana, Jones, Last Crusade, and Jaws. H All right, okay,
I'm gonna go through a little bit of this list
here because there's just too many names and nail two
many names to nail down here. But more than fifty
actions were considered for the Bill role of Vicky Vale,

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including some and uh, let's hear I'll get Jamie's, I'll
get Jimbo's opinion on here on some of the on
some of the names, Jamie Lee Curris, no, no, I agree,
Joe and Cusack no, Geena Davis absolutely, Gen Davis went great.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Krrie Fisher No, m Judy Foster.

Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
Maybe, Melina Griffith yeah, Linda Hamilton no, Darryl Hannah yes,
Daryl hamiltan great, Goldie Han.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
No, Diane Keaton maybe mm hmm. She related to Michael
Game because its mother sister, Bette Midler. Uh no, I
would say no.

Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
Catherine O'Hara, Oh, yeah, I love Catherine O'Hara. Molly Ringwold No,
I can't stand Molly Ringwold. Yeah, I know you don't
like her.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Meg Ryan absolutely gorgeous. Loved her ye ooh. Another choice.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
I'm Susan Sarandon. I think I mentioned I think the
problem with her is the when she did the Rocky
Horror Picture Show. A lot of stuff happened there that
she was having trouble getting. I was reading something about
she was having trouble finding work and stuff like that.
Could she have done it, probably, yeah, but I don't
know if she would have been the right fit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I'm curious.

Speaker 7 (01:12:31):
All these girls would have also demanded they had to
blonde their hair too, rights, that's why ran as a blonde.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (01:12:36):
Kind of fres me off a little bit. And let's
see here we got Elizabeth Shu and oh, yes, definitely
right doom. Oh great choice. Sharon Stone, Oh yeah, definitely great.
Meryl Streep was considered, which I'm not surprising.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Yeah, she could have hit you know that.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
I'll tell you this, over the six years of doing
this podcast, if there's one actress that I've gained respect
for by watching her movies as Meryl Streep because I
used to not like her. But no, I think I'm
kind of like starting to She's starting to move up
my list.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
While she's great and onlymurs in the building, she is
just what you just wait, I know, I know, uh,
And then uh, let's your.

Speaker 7 (01:13:14):
Screening was also considered. No, yeah, Screaton would have known.
Weird choice. And then lastly Debra Winger. Yes, yeah, we're cool.
It's interesting there all right. Next factor here, Michael Keaton
could barely move in the Batman costume, as the costume
materials and technology available during filming in nineteen eight could
not produce the outfit look like the hard leather but
actually was flexible. Tim Burton used the limited motions Keaton

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could make and work with the editor's great a blurring
illusion that he was fighting villain with the highering speed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Interesting Sylvesters alone. No No.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
He decited that this film is what led to decline
of the muscle bound action stars from the eighties, and
it changed in how action films were made, and he
said it was the beginning of a new era. The
visuals took over, the special effects became more important than
the single person. I wish I had thought of volchro
muscles myself. I didn't have to go to the gym
all those years, at all those hours what led to

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the Iron game as we call it. So he's basically saying, hey,
you can put a rubber suit on, you ain't got
to put the work in, And so it's more about
the costumes of special effects than it is the person
these days.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
You know, it's it's probably true.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
Well nowadays I think I feel like we flipped back
around again because now because now it's like timpically like
because socials Loan and Sorzinger they had like that kind
of like that steroid mass to them where they were
just absolutely targantuine human beings.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
But now like every single like you know.

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
DC or Marvel Star, they have to go through that
Chris Pratt level of like training again to get absolutely
ripped in the kind of a more natural looking way,
and like even like actors like am Man doesn't need
to look strong for some reason, he Paul Rudd had to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Go get jashed play a man like, are you kidding me?
It's absolutely ridiculous. So that's a weird thing.

Speaker 7 (01:14:49):
Like we're in the kind of the cinematical landscape right
now where all these actors need to be like these
ridiculous like triathlons.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
Early drafts of this script featured back Man's sidekick Robin.
The role was offered to Keefer Sutherland, who was nineteen
at the time. Sutherland turned down the role say he
imagined himself wearing yellow tights on the big screen and
didn't realize that Tim Burton planned to make the film
much darker than Batman. Eventually, the role was reduced to
a small cameo by Robin's alter ego, Dick Grayson, and

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was eventually cut from the film altogether.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
So, yeah, for.

Speaker 7 (01:15:22):
Suddenly cleaning Robin Man. What a weird world that would
have been, because I just think that got twenty four.

Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
Yeah, but I mean, you gotta remember the Lost Boys.
It was around this time too, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
It routched Lost Boys.

Speaker 6 (01:15:33):
Actually, Kyle, you have just opened up a whole can
go back and listen to the episode where I where
I trashed the Lost Boys and they just came after me.
That's probably one of the funnest episodes I ever did,
because they came after me. I mean, you go back
and listen. Even Tim Mullens hijacked the intro and made
it where they took over and said, if you do anything,

(01:15:54):
we will come after you. We are the Night, and
then it goes back to our rate. You have to listen,
go back and go back to you again exactly, and
then you need to watch it. Or if I did,
then I have no memory of it. Maybe I should
watch some time. But uh yeah, I never think of you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
All right, guys, you know what to do. Kyle's never
watched The Lost Boys be as hard on him as.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
You were on Lost Boys, and eventually, like Nah, in
the film, the Joker asked to mask his chalk white
face by painting himself flesh colored. In the script, it
was specified that the Joker would have to take the
flesh colored makeup off to reveal the white skin underneath,
meaning that the makeup effects team had to find a
way to take one layer and makeup off and leave
another one attack. So basically you had Nicholson's face white

(01:16:31):
paint and then take the paint off no face, no, yeah,
regular face white paint, and then painted a normal face
over top. So you remember the scene where he's dancing
and he does this and the white paint shows up.
So you're talking about layers of painting here. Oh right, okay, yeah, so, uh,
Nick Dema came up with a slush. They painted Nicholson
with the white packs paint that they had always used,

(01:16:51):
and then put a thin layer of food grade silicone
oil which nothing sticks to, on top of it. Then
they took flesh covered grease paint and painstakingly painted it
to where I was sitting on top of the oils.
And then they airbrushed and faded to make it look
like natural or natural. After soaking the Joker's handkerchief in
uh so proper all alcohol, Nicholson was able to wipe

(01:17:12):
out his face and it would strip off the grease paint.
Believe the white paint intact. That was always wondered how
they did that. That's incriply impressive based on his success
with Superman Richard Donov was considered to direct. He wanted
Mel Gibson to star as Batman. So, oh, Kyle, here
we go. You ready for this? Ray Liota? Ray Liota
was offered the role of Harvey Dent, Bruce Wayne and

(01:17:32):
Batman and the Joker, but turned them down to film Goodfellas.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
Leoda later expressed summer regret for the missed opportunities to
big seried that Goodfellas made his career, that those were
goods from minor.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yeah, I know, but still yeah, good Fellas. So it's
hard to say no.

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
The highest grossing Warner Brother movie ever made. Up to
that point, the record was previous held by another DC
Comics film, Superman. Martin Landau turned down the role of
Carl Grissom. Future Tim burncast's member Sir Christopher Lee and
Albert Finney were also considered for the role.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
So actually also had another roles Carlgrissom too, Leslie Nielsen,
Walter Mathou, Jack Lemon, Yes, No, Brooks.

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
And Art Carney. We're all conserved a role of carlgrithm.
So right, there's pretty awesome. I love to see Melbrooks
play the Penguin.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I got hilarious. We're a rough riot right.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
In nineteen eighty nine, Patrick mclenn, at college student from Richmond, Virginia,
won the engine free prop offered in MTV's promotional Still
the Batmobile contest. He intended to loan the prop to
local conventions in museums, but he had signed a contract
preventing him from profiting off of its ex ex exhibition
exhibition at one museum, the shift lever was stolen. The

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car was also taxable and led to an IRS audit. Eventually,
due to mining expenses from a motorcycle accident and the
prize is ten thousand dollars insurance premium, mclenn was forced
to sell the Batmobile at a saltreet sum. Contrary to
popular belief, William Dafoe was never actually considered for the
Joker outside of a wish list from a rider's sam Ham.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
He was considered for Batman in Briswane though which No,
I can't considered, and then projected it would have been
good Harvey Dent. The shoes of the batsuit were.

Speaker 7 (01:19:14):
Actually made by Nike and even had a Nike logo
on them, even though the shoes were completely black. Just
do it, Yeah, Michael Keaton was paid five million dollars,
then the second the second biggest salary for an actor
playing superhero after Christopher Reeve, who was paid six million
dollars for Superman four. The quester piece Quentin beat Reeves
Peracord when he was paid ten million dollars for Batman Returns, Kyle.

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
Can you imagine if we would have ever gotten the
Superman Batman over film? Michael Keaton, Chris, can you imagine?
You know how much money that would have made, all
of it, it would have made, all it would the Hollywood.
It would have collapsed in on itself as a black
hole because it made I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Think, don't you think it would have made a lot
of money? Oh my yes, of course it would have
been amazing. I just would have loved to see him interact,
you know what I mean? Yeah, Martha, what did you
say that? Not that version but a better version.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
I have big hopes for the future. I'll say that much.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
The designers of the Batmobile hadn't taken into County additional
four inches that Batman's cow added to Michael Keaton's height,
and as such, the cow got stuck in the sliding cockpit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
The first time it was tested. Oh, no, man, so
they had to cut down, you know, they to make
a cow with shorter ears for when he got into Batmobile.
That's hilarious.

Speaker 7 (01:20:25):
Warner Brothers just sold over seven hundred and fifty million
dollars of merchandise from this film. I took a look
Ganner at the inflation calculators.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
That adds up to.

Speaker 7 (01:20:35):
About one point nine billion dollars worth of merchandise for
the Batman front.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
I had some of it. I think I still have
the comic book that everyone does.

Speaker 7 (01:20:42):
I think even I had Batman glasses and now my
dad think bought those and maybe had him in the
house because I had Batman stuff all the time when
I was a little kid, So I'm sure I had
some stuff in that film too.

Speaker 6 (01:20:52):
Upon seeing the initial life size Polystrem model of the Batmobile,
Tim Burton turned to art director Terry Ackland Snow and said, great,
where's the door does The sign team suddenly realized that
the design lacked any doors and inspired the cockpit of
the Harrier jump jet. They came up and Terry came
up with the idea of the sliding cockpits. They made
the build decide with door it's fantastic.

Speaker 7 (01:21:15):
Caesar Romero, who played the original Joker in nineteen sixty
six TV series, was originally offered the role of the
Gotam s Ctitay crime boss Carl Rism but turned it down.

Speaker 6 (01:21:25):
Kyle m h Here's who Richard Donner when he was
approach to direct.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Here's his cast. Okay, this is the movie. You would
have had a Batman. Yeah, for the title role. Mel Gibson.

Speaker 6 (01:21:40):
We said what we said on that, for Robin Michael
j foxx mm hmm, William Dafoe for the Joker, and
Joe Peshi for the Penguin.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Joe Peshi as the penguin, says adorable. He would be
a foul mouth foul gosh. Yes, absolutely, you could go.
You want to see that movie now.

Speaker 7 (01:21:59):
Don't you see him jumping up and down being frustrated
as the penguin. It would have been hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
All right, Kyle, I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:05):
Now here is some Since you gave me the Vickyville,
I'm giving you the role of Batman and Bruce Wayne,
are you ready? Okay, go go for doing Kurt Russell. Oh,
Kurt Russell, I think with a great Batman.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Now, good Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne, al Pacino, al Pacino, No,
Patrick Swayze, Patrick Swayze, Oh, I love to see it, man,
I would love to see it too. I don't know
how well you do, but I think you would do
all right at least.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
Mel Gibson, we talked about Tom Cruise, Tom too short
and also too early.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Nicholas Cage. Nicholas Cage, Oh, yeah, Cage.

Speaker 7 (01:22:35):
Would you know I like the idea of Cage is
Superman more than I like the idea of Cage's Batman.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
That's what I'll say. Harrison Ford Harrison once again, great,
Bruce Wayne, easy, Bruce Wayne. Tell. I don't know how
well he could do as Batman though.

Speaker 6 (01:22:50):
We talked about Pierce Prosident, Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 7 (01:22:55):
You know he aged poorly obviously, but Kevin Spacey would
have been an interesting Bruce Wayne.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
It seem as Batman at all though. Alec Baldwin, Oh,
once again, I could easily see that Bruce Wayne. That
Bruce Wayne is easy for me.

Speaker 7 (01:23:09):
But Batman, I think you know, he has the mass,
he has the height for the physicality of Batman.

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
I think I think he could have done a good job.
Kevin Costner, Kevin Costner. I think Kevin Costner is a
great actor, underrated. As I've stated many times, Kevin cost
is great and I think he would have done a
great job.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Richard Gear, Richard Gear.

Speaker 6 (01:23:26):
I mean, if you're having George Clooney, obviously Richard Gear
could play it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Yeah, like in the an alternate universe where we're laughing
at this then like I think it actually works a
little bit. Michael Bean, Michael Bean, who isn't that uh
yeah from Aliens? Yeah? Yeah? And Terminator one man. I'm
thinking about that, and honestly, that's a kind of an
inspired choice. I think.

Speaker 7 (01:23:50):
I think Batman's kind of an easy sell for me
on that kind of role. But Bruce Wayne, I think
would be interesting to kind of see him all dressed up.
I've not seen him in a and more like suit roll.
Oh they talked to Rayleiota, Tom Hanks, I don't know.
John Travolta, John Travolta, No, it's also too short. Seawn Penn, John, Uh,

(01:24:11):
you know, I need more Sean pin rolls and then
watch more Sean Penn moviesvez Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Maybe.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
Matthew Broderick, Matthew Brodrick no Sylvester Stallon, No Kevin Kleine.
Uh maybe William Hurt No Mickey Rourke, No.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Gary Busey, He's not on here to give you imagine Gary.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
Bruce Willis, Bruce Willis. No Charlie Sheen. I think Charlie
Sheen probably could have pulled it off if.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
He took it seriously. Like Charlie she was going through
a lot in those years.

Speaker 6 (01:24:50):
Uh. Dennis Quaid, Dennis Quaid. Maybe Jeff Bridges, Jeff Bridges, Oh,
Jeff Bridges could have been really cool once again with
great Bruce Wayne.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Don't know about the Batman Arnold Schwartzinger.

Speaker 7 (01:25:00):
No Tom Selleck, Oh, Tom Selleck once again. Like I
could see the Bruce Wayne, but I can't see the Batman.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
M so.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
Mm mmm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
This is Mickey Rourke.

Speaker 6 (01:25:14):
Jef Bridge was eventually played Villains and Marble's Iron Man trilogy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
So all right, here's some rolls for the Joker. Okay,
Joker rolls. Okay, Kyle.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
This first one, I'm gonna say, I think would be amazing.
All right, Tim Curry as the Joker, Tim Curry, it
does everything perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
He plays scary clowns anyway. Jim Curry is perfect. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
William Dafoe. No, David Bowie absolutely inspired again. Jeff Goldbloom,
Jeff gold Bloom, No, No, Donald Sutherland.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Donald Sutherland.

Speaker 6 (01:25:48):
Maybe John let's go, John, Let's go oh Man, John
lits goal that that's a weird choice.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
No, but it would be interesting. I'm curious, but no,
Brad Dorrif Brad Dorf, I don't know. Brad Dwarf is oh,
remind me?

Speaker 6 (01:26:06):
Is he of the guy that played the bad the
guy that goes into Chucky the serial killer?

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Is that him? Brad Dorf? Brad do oh? Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
I think maybe Robert England, Robert Eman and the stuff
nightmares are made of? Robert de Narrow Robert Narrow. No,
probably not well, I don't know he did alright, his
two face. Could he have pulled off that comedic thing
as the Joker?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Maybe? Alan Rickman, Alan Rickman Man, Alan Rickman.

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
Too, British Wow, Ray Leoda, of course, John Malkovich.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
John Macklevich. Oh, John Macklewich. Hmmm. He was curious, but
I wouldn't lock it in. What about Christopher Lower Christopher
Lloyd him as the Joker and had Michael J. Fox
as Robin? Yeah, that would have been a weird movie.

Speaker 6 (01:27:08):
Both Tim Curry would later play and William phil wul
later play some of the role where Curry played Pennywise
and the Phil played the Green Goblin.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
I think Chris H. Lloyd and who who frame robbed Robin?

Speaker 7 (01:27:18):
I think I'm like that kind of ideas, kind of
styles to get the Joker.

Speaker 6 (01:27:22):
And last but not least, at one point, Steven Spielberg
wanted to make this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
He was interested. Here is his vision of the cast.

Speaker 6 (01:27:32):
Okay, and I think from just the few that I've seen,
would probably be better than Richard Donners. His film was
going to include Harrison Ford as Batman and Bruce Wayne
Harrison Ford, m Michael J. Fox as Robin and Dick Grayson,
Tim Curry as the Joker, Dustin Hoffman as the Peing One,

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Gina Davis as Silver Saint Cloud, the love interest that
would have been replaced Wakyville, John Perty as Alfred Pittyworth,
Burt Reynolds as Commissioner Gordon Wow, Martin Sheen as Harvey
did and Richard Dreyfus as Rupert Thorne, the gangster that'd
be replaced with Carl Grismin perty Son Sean Perty played
Alfred on Gotham, So I think that movie would have

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been interesting if further we're.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
In with that cast. The more I'm mad the movie
didn't get made, because honestly, that sounds amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:28:23):
It sounds, but I just don't know if I would
have wanted to see Robin in the first official movie.
If you did, you'd have to be how he became Robin,
which they made what Batman and Robin when it kind
of went back how his parents died in the circus accident.

Speaker 7 (01:28:38):
No, I'm kind of I want to see the film
where And I think James gun Mash is probably doing
this of his next Batman movie. I think they're gonna
have the film where they start off like, yeah, Batman
and Robin are just the thing, and like you have
to deal with that, and that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Okay, yea. And I think they don't have to do
with the origin stories of those characters anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:28:54):
But yeah, I'm curious. It's like we haven't seen it
happen at all. You know, we had a Batman Robbie.
If it's always in origin story, I want to see
what happened if you just try to bring him up, like, hey,
he just he's a sidekick. It's happened. It's not a
big deal, and no one goes into great stuff about that.
So I want to see it happen just because I
think they could sell it, and James gun is probably
gonna be the one to do it, so I'm hopefully

(01:29:14):
I'm excited to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
But yeah, I understand the complaint though.

Speaker 7 (01:29:19):
Robin Robin is a tough sale for I think for
live auction, for live action audience especially, but he works
well in the cartoons, so I'm curious to how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
All right, Kyle, Oh, we're there. An hour and a
half later, we're there. We made it. Yeah, how do
you feel about the film? All right?

Speaker 7 (01:29:35):
Jimbo, Well, hmmm, let me say that this film isn't
perfect in fact, like in that, but same time, it
sets so much of like what we expect from comic
book movies for for basically a generation, like you know,
you know, this is the thing that like this was
the height of like what a comic book movie could

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be before the MCU kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Made it what it is. Now, what was the first
time that's some since Superman?

Speaker 7 (01:30:02):
It was it was it was huge, Yeah, and it
proved that you know, like besides Superman, there could be
other there could be other comic book heroes having the
same kind of success too, And you really kind of
opened the door opened a lot more doors for like,
you know, like grant that movies are worth it, moves
like dark Man and the kind of movies of like
the kind of anti hero hero kind of characters, and
many respects for the for the nineties and the early

(01:30:22):
two thousands, and you know, once again like me, also,
you know, the MCQ doesn't exist about the Batman nineteen
eighty nine for sure as well, for better and for worse.
You know, moves like Blade don't exist for this. So
I definitely like its legacy alone kind of gives like
a nine out of ten for me. But also it
is just kind of an astounding film. It's not a
perfect film. It might may even be like the best

(01:30:43):
Batman that I really wanted, but it is really close.
Like it's it's an astoundingly good film in many respects,
and I really appreciate a lot. So I think personally though,
I think I'm probably gonna give it an eight at ten,
Like it's a great film. It's more worth watching if
you're a Batman fan at all. It holds up surprisingly
well and I really do kind of love and appreciate it,
and I'm gonna give it a strong eight out of ten. Say,

(01:31:04):
this is just a de facto great film worth watching.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:31:07):
Every performances is good and I really appreciate on that level,
and its legacy is astounding and also just a box
office smash, like its cultural impact was huge and it
can still we felt today for many reasons. So I
really appreciate this film. So yeah, I'm gonna say stronger
eight out of ten and we'll leave it there. Jimbo,
how do you feel about this film?

Speaker 6 (01:31:25):
Well, Kyle, you know, being a comic book fan and
a movie fan, and I've always liked the Batman sixty
six TV show. Superman has always been my favorite super hero. Okay,
but I think Batman has the best villains and I
will stand by that till I die. Yeah, any peoples

(01:31:46):
like well Spider Man, I don't care about them, because
Man has Joker and the Joker is the greatest villain
of all time. But I love cow Woman, I love Joker,
I love Penguin, and I love what. I love all
of them and everything they did. But as a kid
and you go to the theater and you see this

(01:32:07):
for the first time. I mean it is upgraded from
the sixty six Batman. It's darker, it's it's uh, you know,
the utility belt, the gruff voice. I mean, this is
what every kid wanted to do when growing up. You
had the act, the action figures, you had the the bowing,
you had you know, Bob with sidekick action, right yeah,

(01:32:29):
and then you obviously it was a culture phenomenon because
you had prints involved, and you had the soundtrack. You
had all this and look what spawned from it. Batman
the animated series, well, probably one of the greatest cartoons
of all time. Oh yeah, up there for sure, definitely
cartoon and it's the villains that make that absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
So with all that, taking extradition consideration in my childhood,
my love the comics and thing, I'm giving this a
nine out of the ten. I think Michael Keane's performance
in this he is the best combo of Batman and
Bruce Wayne. Close second would be Christian Bell. He did
really good job both to Jack Nicholson's performance in this
is what made the way for Heath Ledgers, Joker and

(01:33:11):
joking Phoenix's joker. Yeah, he's Romerol. I would have loved
to have more of him because I think he's an
outstanding joker too. He played that role so great. But
Jack Nicholson plays the joker so well, and he's just
so off the cuff and crazy in this I like
that about him. He's not He's more goofy in this
movie than Heath Ledgers was more serious. But I really

(01:33:32):
like that and as a kid, that's all you could
ask for.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
So there you have it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
That is our sixth anniversary show wrap up. If you
like what you heard, you want to leave us review,
we will read it on the air while Kyle as
maybe I'll have College just call in and record the
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of the podcast. And if you want Kyle to watch
The Lost Boys, make sure you hammering out on hammering
him on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Facebook like he did me all those times. You need
to listen that the way. It's really cool. I had
people write in find like oh yeah, I love and
I was like, oh, that's what this movie is.

Speaker 6 (01:34:06):
So if you want follow up, were the Tragedy of
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gmail dot com, so be on the lookout for more
in the future. And with that being said, I think
the sixth anniversary episodes coming to close, and that's wrap
and cut.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
The Tragedy cinema.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Wim me, Marie Sima, join us, we toast to the
tales we love the most.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
Use them. Join us, we toast through the tails we
love the most, the most, the.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
Tragedy of cinema. They shimmer joy as if we toast
through the tales we love the most, to the tails
we love the most, the tragedy.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
I say, then, Marie Schiller, joy as, send me toast
to the tales we love the most.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
To the tails we love the most, to the tales
we love the most.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Boom zaga, I can't fire you for a few more episodes.