May 15, 2025 • 38 mins
Jimbo and Kyle review the 13th Warrior which is loosely based on Beuowulf.
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The thirteenth warrior.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of Cinema podcast,
or as we like to call it. After listening to
that trailer the Antonio bandera Seduction Hour, we listen to
that trailer and we just started cracking up because we
see Antonio Bearder's in slow motion unbuttoning his shirt with
his hair waving.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
In the wind.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Perfect. Yah, I'm your host, Jimbo, I'm your co host, Kyle, Kyle.
Today we are talking about a movie I picked out,
The Thirteenth Warrior, which is a movie I saw long
long ago, and I thought, you know, I'd like to
watch that again, and you know what, we might as
well go ahead and covered on the podcast. But Kyle,
before we get started, all right, Jimbo, you have a question? Yeah,
I do, Okay, Kyle, I think Antonio Bendez is a
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very underrated actor. What is your favorite Antonio Bendera's movie?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Probably Once upon a Time in Mexico, Probably gonna my
twitching action film right there. I'm really enjoying a lot. Yeah,
I agree, Antonio Benair's is really underrated. I think he
really student time, had a really caer career overall. Now
it's kind of in his advanced as he's out of
it now, but still it does a lot of great work.
So really find entertaining. What's your favorite role for Antio Benaiir's. Well,
there's two that come to mind. The first one, which
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I think is a not a lot of people have
seen this movie. It's called Assassins, and it's with him
and Sylvester Stallone and they're both assassins and they're assigned
to take each other out. So it's a very good
I highly recommend that we might have to cover that.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Yeah. And then the other one is Desperado. Did you
ever see Desperado where he's the long time, Yeah, where
he carries the guns and the guitar case.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, it's very good emotion behind him in that one scene. Yeah,
slow motions, shirt up by the hair in the all explosions.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
I saw that, all right. And I recently saw my
I believe he was King Herod in the Bethlehem story,
the one that just came out once upon a time,
but not once upon time, the new Christmas movie that
came out. I think it was last year, the year before.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
So I watched the Last Posts and Boots movie, the
Last Wish one really joined him in that.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
That was really good. All right, Kyle, let's take it away, all.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Right, Jimbo, we have. The Thirteenth Warrior, released on August
twenty seventh, nineteen ninety nine, follows the story of a man,
having fallen in love with a young woman, is sent
by a sultan himself on deplomatic mission to a distant
land as an ambassador, stopping a Viking village port to
restock on supplies, he finds hisself unwillingly embroiled in the
quest to banish a mysterious threat and a distant Viking land.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
This film was directed by John mcinernan, written by Michael
Christian for the original novel Eaters of the Dead, and
William Fisher adapted it for the screenplay as well with
One Lewis. Producers of the film were Michael Crinchton Ned
Dowd and John mcgernan. Composer was Jerry Goldsmith, cinematographer was
Peter Peter Menzies, Junior editor was John Wright, casting character
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was Petitionian McCorkle, and production signer was Wolf Kroger. Butcher
for the film was one hundred and sixty million dollars
in nineteen ninety nine. That's an insane buncher for the film.
Even even even now it's a pretty good healthy buncher
for her film now, but for ninety ninety nine, that's
insane money. Just for inflation, that'd be about three hundred
and seven point one million dollars a day. So right
up there with like trip a box rusures, we kind
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of set right now going on the cost like half
a billion dollars to make and all this kind of stuff,
so really insane money going on there. The film didn't
really form that well in the box office though, opening
weekend just made ten million dollars, which imagine was terrifying
for the executives and producers of the film. Just for inflation,
that'd be about nineteen point seven million dollars gross worldwide,
though it made a little more money back a gross
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I'm sorry gross worldwide, it made a little bit moarning
back with sixty one point seven million dollars lations Toby
about one hundred and eighteen point four million dollars, so
still kind of a box office failure and that kind
of point. But I'm curious with long tail how much
money kind of made over time.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Let's see here.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Let's go on to some of the production details of
the film to do this film has run time one
or two minutes. Sound mix is w digital. This is
a color film. Aspect ratio is a cinematic two point
three nine by one, so pretty wide there. Moving on
some of the awards for a film. We have some
very small awards. We have a two thousand Alma Award,
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and then for the year two thousand, we also have
the Image and Foundation Awards, where we have a win
for Best Theatrical Feature Film, and we have a nomination
for nineteen ninety nine for the International Film International Film
Music Critics Award, where we have a nomination for a
Film Score of the Year Jerry Goldsmith. That covers the
awards for the film right there. Moving on to the cast,
we have, of course the legendary Antonio Banderas for the
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role of the main character of the film. I'mid I've
been Odland. Hopefully I pronounced that hopefully a little bit
of right, I don't know, And Donny Ben there's course,
And also, of course I'm probably well known for such
films as Master Zoro Nick ninety eight, des broad Nick
ninety five, and the Poos and Boots series from twenty
eleven to many years on now. Probably still make more
sequels for that high you know, I think they made
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like five those movies. Actually, did they ever say they
were going to reboot Shrek or something? I was doing
a Shrek five, Yeah, okay, Well, I mean I thought
there was gonna be the actual reboot with new characters
or new new voices, bring the whole cast back. Eddie
Murphy and well, I know for five, but I was
hearing a reboot that they were going to remake.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, well they probably played with all kinds of ideas
about it. You know, they're probably do a live action
Shrek in like twenty years. It'll be terrible if Michael
Myers plays Shrek, though, that would be pretty funny. Yeah, no,
I agree with you. No, Shrek is an interesting series. Yeah,
it's it's it's weird to kind of try and bring
it back because I think it's kind of time and place.
But that's make you drop it, make not the contrap buttons.
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Nextcept have Diane Vernora playing the role of Queen Willy
Willow Willie. I'm arry, I can't pronounced that word right.
That's mean a lot of characters film. I can barely
pass the word right now. That's typical.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Kyle. You need to pull up dil lingo and brush
up on your Viking.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah terrible. Now we have these new microphones. Now I
can hear me mispronouncing these words so well. It just
adds to the insult to all these cultures I'm bringing.
But Diana Venora was also in the film heat ine
A five was an equalizer in twenty fourteen Denzel Washington.
Next up we have Dennis Storehoy. He played the role
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of Herger Herger Sorr, Herger of Dennis Storhoy was also
in the film Troll in twenty twenty two and Camilla
and the Thief in nineteen eighty eight. Then we have
Vladimir Coleridge playing the role of Billy Wolf. I'll play
pronounce once again. I should have listened to the words
being pronounced in the film to kind of get an
idea for these names.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
You played Skyrim enough, he should be okay trying to
pronounce these It's a thought. Accounts Mikyle before we started recording.
Would you like to tell the audience how much money
you have spent? No on games, absolutely from twenty eleven
to twenty twenty five, more on Steam. Would you like
would you like the announce that I.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Will absolutely not that it is going to the grave?
Is it because it was a dead drop number, but
I'm not saying it more than a new car Around
that number. Yeah, around that number.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Jo.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Thank thanks for bringing that up, but didn't tend to
bring that up in the podcast though we cant edited out.
But it's okay. That's Okay, yeah, we're around that number
for sure. Whould like to being to round up for doubt. No, no,
we're not gonna do. We're not We're not going any
further than that one. Vladimir Kolitch was also in the
film The twenty fourteen as well. Then we have Omarsherrif
(10:51):
Omarshery played the role of milk chiss a Dick melchis
Dick I'm not sorry, actually were you? Okaykels the dick
Milkez Dick melt kenzy kiss I even know? Or Marshiriff
was also in the film Lawrence of Arabia in nineteen sixty
two and Doctor Zivago nineteen sixty five, So to legendary
films right there. Next up we have Andrews t Anderson
playing the role of Wigiliff, the King's son. Andrews tin
(11:13):
Anderson was also in the film Berliner Poppling in two
thousand and seven. Just once again, that's that film, film
titled itself pretty awfully as well. Next time we have
Richard Bremer playing a role of skeled. Richard Bremer was
also in the film Le Miz Rob in twenty twelve.
Then we have Tony Kieran playing a role of wif.
The musician Tony Kurran was also in the film Calibre
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in twenty eighteen. Next up we have the role of
Neil Moffin playing the role of Rounuff. Neil Moffin was
also in the show Stargated. Oh yeah, there was a
show with Stargated Lantis from two thousand and four to
have our long that ran the TV show. Yeah, yeah,
the TV show. Then we have Clive Russell playing a
role of health Dang. Clive Russell was also in the
film Sherlock Holmes two thosand and nine. And then we
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have Stephen Wolter playing the role of King Hofgar in
the h He was also in the film The Man
of Machurka in nineteen eighty four. And uh, that's where
I'm going to kind of end the cast list, mainly
because there's a lot of names that I'm going to
to struggle to announce in their smaller roles. So that's
where I wanted to leave the cast list right there.
Jim owlet's move on some trivia.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Well, great, so now I get to mispronounce a lot
of names in the trivia. Absolutely Well, it's there's not
a lot of too many information, and yeah, it's it's
it was just a movie in the nineties that didn't
really have a lot of significant Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I didn't have a huge cultural impact, I think, and
so it didn't have the same kind of fan and
could following. But there's still things we do.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
What I really liked about this movie is the I
loved how you know, he was Muslim and he was
from like the Middle East, but when he went on
the vikings saying he could never understand what they were
saying about him. He and then he says, there and
he just listened, and he's watching their mouth move, And
there's a really cool trans for me in the movie
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where it goes for them talking like Norse or whatever,
and then he starts understanding. I mean, they say something
about his mother and he's like, my mother, was it this?
Or don't talk about my mother? And they're all like,
how did you know that? He said? I listened. I
thought that was really really cool. So here we go, Kyle.
This is actually based upon an Anglo Saxon epic poem.
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Do you know what poem that would be?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I guess based on the Michael Ristian book The Years
of the Dead. I'm assuming that's the name, the same
name Tom, maybe is it not?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
No Kyle an epic poem, not a book, Beowulf Beowolf? Oh, okay,
that makes sense. Did you ever see Beowulf that c
G I.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I did watch the c g I film Pretty cool
and read some of the original book in class.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
No I some let's just say poem, some title Beowolf. Okay,
I'm done.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I didn't say that. Class I said that it was
part of the cricklin what are it all?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Kinds of stuff about Kyle. We love Kyle, all right.
So Graham Revel had composed a complete original score when
the movie was slated to be released as Eaters of
the Dead in nineteen ninety eight. After the film was
deemed unwatchable during.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
The scream Oh my Gosh.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Michael Crichton took over the project, rejected Rebel's original score,
and brought in Jerry Goldsmith, which he's a legendary composer
by now, to rescore the film renamed The Thirteenth Warrior,
how would you feel you put your blood? Tweat tears
at the big U score for a movie, And then
all of a sudden they're like, nah, not doing it.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I mean the end of the day, I guess you'd
have just you know, takes saw from the fact that like, hey,
you got paid for good work, then you didn't if
you got paid I'm assuming you got paid for his
work and time, you know some degree, you know the
base rate anyways, So but yeah, it turned out to
feel kind of insulted by that, and so you just
kind of like say, like, you know, just like it
was for the wrong audience at that point. You know,
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the right audience would appreciate his original score, I'm sure,
and I don't think he's ashamed of his work.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Would you like to hear the original score? I would.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I would like to see I am now curious.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
I would like to see a lot of these movies
that we talked about where this could have been, the
Yeah films and all those convention engineing ideas.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah, I'm curious, like to say, like that, you know
what made that unwatchable to a degree? You know, so
it's like, you know, is the case where like he's
just not talented at all, or this case for the
score was just so out there and weird that people
didn't appreciate for its time. Well, sometimes the score. The
score makes the movie. Tooly, the wrong score could probably
really be to the movie. I would say more often not,
the score makes the film. Generations So.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
The source novel Eaters of the Dead, which Kyle briefly mentioned,
has become part of one of the most notorious hoaxes
in librarianship circles. The Ahmed two c manuscript, which the
bibliography says is the novel source, is completely made up.
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The name of the translator, nos Dulus, is two Latin
words meaning both hoax and fraud.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Since the novel was published in nineteen seventy six, the
University of Osio, where the manuscript is supposed to be kept,
has sent out letters telling enquirers that they have been
the victim of a hoax.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Oh my gosh. That's some interesting cultural dispute right there.
I wouldn't know what's saying about that, necessarily crazy.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
In accordance with the book, John mcteern's version of the
Wendell's mother was an old woman played by veteran actress
Susan Willis after Michael Crichton took over. Is that Krichton
or is that Crichton is that the guy that did
Dreassic Park. Yes, dress Park, Yeah, yeah, dress Bar. I'm
glad I wasn't paying attention to it. So he took
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over and did the reshoots. He decided that brutally killing
off an old lady did not reflect very well on
the heroes, Crichton decided to make her younger, sleeker, and tougher.
In the final release. Wendell's mother is played by Kristen Cloak,
who's uncredited, but the final credit still list Susan Willis,
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so they at least gave her a credit name.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
One of the Viking chips used in the movie is
now in the Norwegian Pavilion in the Epcot Center at
Walt disney World, where it is used as a playground
for kids. Disney's owns Touchdome picture flips. Oh my gosh,
imagine the wearing tear that I think you're received.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Man, Can you imagine? Should go and just get on it?
Right here is where Antonio Benderas set his butt on.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Kyle Don sniffed the seat. So this was actually filmed
two years before its eventual release, the release date, which
had been pushed back several.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Times imagine for recuts and also having holding score for
the film significant.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Although rumors persist that this was one of the most
expensive movie flops ever the budget of one hundred and
sixty million dollars, The producers claimed it cost ninety million
before marketing. The movie grows only thirty two million, six
or ninety dollars in or six hundred ninety eight thousand
dollars nine yeah, nine hundred dollars in the US and
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a little over sixty one million worldwide.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
So okay, that makes a lot of sense, but it's
still it is still financial bomb that case. Really, yeah,
small flop, still still a huge flop because you spent
that much money on marketing and still getting turn on
your investment. And uh yeah, I mean that's entirely common
for today and now all video games and movies, like
half your budget is almost entirely reserved for marketing, or
you know, in this case, about a third looks.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Like well, I mean you have to with you know,
all the social media TikTok.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, it's a rise above everything else. It's incredibly challenging.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
And if you want to reach an audience, you probably
you put a TikTok video out. It's probably better than
an ad in the newspaper or local magazine or anything
like that anymore, I would say, TikTok, Facebook, Twitch, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, now social media so like segmented in its audiences.
Do you have to go everywhere to find anybody into
much part?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
You know?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Like you know, now you can go TikTok can be
a very directed ad for a very particular market and
get a lot of success there, I think. But yeah,
it's very, very difficult to have the worldwide appeal that
so many brands try to cultivate. Now, you know, I
feel bad for I feel bad for the big businesses. Hilarious,
but I mean, like I I feel bad for the
challenges they have the face of trying to get a
worldwide audience. They have to advertise on literally every platform
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on the globe basically to get any kind of mass appeal.
It's very difficult.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
When is the last time that you saw a billboard
with a movie saying, Hey, this movie's coming. Do you remember? Gosh?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And in my local area there's an ad that's basically
for adopt an orphan, but it also it's also a
co ad for Shazam too, and it's been up for months. Yeah,
you know that I think that was up there for
Jazam one one. No, no, it's for Jaxam too because
it has the whole team together. Yeah, which was a
you know, a spoiler for jam one.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's you don't see him
as often as you used to see them unless you're
like in New York where they have that cool like
three D bill board where stuff's like reaching out and
stuff like that, you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, Nowaday billboards are mainly reserved.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
Daryl Isaacs call the Hammer Hammer and John mctiernan's original cut,
there was no final duel between Beowolf and the Leader
of the Wind, so that'd be interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
The vikings. This disparated armor can be explained by the
Norse tradition of taking the armor of a vanquished foe.
It was also a display of status in North society.
Then nicer the armor, the higher the position. Halga appears
to have a Roman gladiator's helmet, so I thought that
was one of the most interesting points of the movie,
is where the guy challenges that big old guy and
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he is just taking a pounding and then you know
he's antony binness, like he's gonna kill him. And he's
like just wait, you know, and then he ends up
killing their leader and.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Reveals the last second like he was largely just twined
with them.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah, yeah, really cool. Some of the windows throwing weapons
are based on the Roman plumbata, which replaced the throwing
spear in early fourth century and Legionary armies. Other long
throwing weapons shown are based on the medieval war dart
or fletched javelin.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
So attention to military acressy in those kind of ers,
that's interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
We one of the Viking warriors wears a piece of
tartan as part of his costume. Tony Kerran was born
in Scotland, so that's pretty cool that he put part
of that on his armor. Dennis store Hell or store High,
almost drowned during the underwater section. Antonio and Banderaz jumped
into the water and pulled him out of the water
and saved his life. Antonio banderas good man Kyle. We've
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covered several movies where people almost drowned. Would you do
an underwater scene like.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I would feel incredibly nervous and out of water scene
for sure. General stuntwork is, you know, so terrifying, especially
in a movie production. Where it's like, hey, we made
this set two weeks ago and it's all you know,
spindles and they're like the chiefest bitter got to make it,
you know, and all that kind of stuff too. Safety
on film.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
So would you be like calling your stuntman to do
this stunt for you or would you do your own stunts.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Rely on a stuntman for many scenes? I could pretend like,
oh yeah, I would do my own stunts. I want
to be, you know, as authentic as possible, But in
reality I think like no, I think.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
It's but I know, like Tom Cruse likes to do
a lot of his own stunts and he's crazy, dude.
He's sitting on like the top of the tallest building
in the world, like meditating. I'm like, yeah, no, that's
not for me. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Reality is like I never have the physic for action
scenes in a movie. I don't have an out of
a movie start.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
So, Kyle, when when my fiftieth birthday rolls around in
a couple of years, we're going skydiving.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Going skydiving, skydive, go skydavn yeh.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Sure you have to open your parachute when we go.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
It's so dark, God, so depressed you when you own
his pair of shoe. Oh my gosh, Oh Kyle, open
your para shute.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Oh it's my lunch bucks us.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Oops. You know that's part about a parachute. It is like,
you know, like people make parachutes, they never get a
bad review.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Well you know what the they're like, Oh, you're gonna
pack your own parachute. Okay, all right, sure guys like
I can't even make my bed.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It's got a full here.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
How many falls off? Right? Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
What?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, just a jumble, just a trash bag flap, really hard.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Okay. So Savin Wolter's only Hollywood film in English language role.
The cave scenes were almost we're almost filmed on location
near the camp set in Elk Bay, but production for
some to film the scenes in the studio in Delta,
in a large stage called the a Frame owned by
the Mere or Mirror Worldwide Intermediate. The stage measured ten
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thousand meters squared, which is one hundred and seven thousand
and six and thirty nine point eleven feet two hundred
meters long, fifty meters wide and twenty meters tall. It's
a pretty big studio.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Huge.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
In generally you know, the practical productions in this in
this film are actually incredible.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah, they don't make movies like these nowadays.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Right. Promotional posters in Mexico displayed the film's title as
Eaters of the Dead, the name of Crichton's original novel
the movie is based off of. Most theaters never received
posters with a new title, confusing moviegoers.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
It's fair, I understand. It's pretty offutting title for a movie.
It's like cannibalism the movie, and it's like, I don't honest,
they want to watch that.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Ahmed Ibbin fad Lane Antonio a Maderas in this movie
is referred to by his name only once by Beowulf
or bully Wolf, whatever his name was in this movie,
during the first rate of the Windel. This is where
he shouts Ahmed as he throws a sharpened stick to
him to wedge into the ground to stop the Windel
horses during their charge village. Other than that, he has
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referred to the company of the warriors as Ibun little
brother or simply the air ab Cool.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, it's interesting to have a you know, like it's
for as many Moer movies as I watch now, I
can't remember. I can't recall a single character that I
know is like the main character and also a Muslim
character the worlds.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
The only the only one I can that pops into
my mind would be from Robin Too, Prince of Thieves,
where you had Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, even that. Yeah, so that would be the one
that that sticks out of my mind. Yeah, so very
cooling representation there.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Omar sh Reef was disappointed with this film. Quote. I
said to myself, let us stop this nonsense, these meal
tickets that we do because it pays well. I thought,
unless I find a stupendous film that I love and
that makes me want to leave home to do, I
will stop. Bad pictures are very humiliating. I was really sick.
It is terrifying to have to do the dialogue for
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bad scripts, to face a director who does not know
what he is doing, and a film so bad that
it is not even worth exploring.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Wow. He took a temporary hiatus from acting, not accepting
another major role until Monsieur Ibrahim. He started in only
one more Hollywood film, Hidalgo. So if you ever seen Hidalgo,
that's what Vigo Mortensen where the horse. It's really good.
I haven't seen it. Yeah, it's curious. Now, it's a
good movie. All of the live camels were killed eaton
(26:19):
to feed the cast and crew for the remaining days
on the set. Oh wow, I'm kidding, like that shock.
They were actually all permanently sent to Clarington, Ontario, Canady
as a bow Manville zoo after filming this semitic cinematic production.
They remained there until it's closure in twenty sixties. They
actually took care of him.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Kyle is like incredibly why so many questions were raised.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
The film omits an explanation of why the missed monsters
what they actually are. In the novel, author Michael Crichton,
writing as the narrator, reveals that they were the descendants
of the Neanderthal m So interesting and last, but not
least Kyle, During the choosing of the thirteenth warriors, the
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seer brings up a bleached bone to give to each warrior.
On the thirteenth warrior, she lifts a dark bone to
the camera, a clear sign that she will call the
darker skin iten. Hmmm, so a little foreshadowy there. Yeah,
all right, Kyle, let's hear it thoughts of the.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Film overall, You know, to be honest, this film never
got me extremely excited, but I did enjoy watching it.
From a kind of production standpoint, scene productions that large
just don't really exist nowadays in films, and it's such
a brief time in Hollywood where the budgets were so
huge but didn't have access to green screens to use
digital effects and mean in cases, although there are a
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few digital effects shots in this film, simply in the
boat stuff, right, you can tell it's really bad, it's
really bad. But in general, there's a lot of early
impressive shots and a lot of depressive set pieces going
on in this film that I really enjoyed a lot.
The action scenes were amazing respects, so I found those
pretty pretty good. But the film itself I kind of
agree with. I'm sure if that the script overall is
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pretty weak and not very interesting. I don't feel like
I came away from this film feeling like, oh man,
I got this lesson from the film or this kind
of a level of entertainment. Instead, I just found it
overall like this is enjoyable enough, but not great. If
I had to give a ready out of ten, I'd
probably give it a maybe a six point five or
seven maybe just kind of like overall solid, but didn't
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really do anything for me otherwise, and I probably don't
have any revisiting anytime soon. But the film overall, I
don't have like many bad things to say about it,
though as much as I've said a much bad things
aboad it, so I feel a little contradutory right there.
But yeah, it's a it's an interesting film, and just
like you know, once again, like they just they don't
make movies like this nowadays, and that's always kind of
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impressive and interesting to see, and I really appreciate that.
But besides that, the film doesn't do much for me.
So that's where I kind of sit in the film overall. Jim,
But how do you feel about it?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I think there are some scenes that are beautifully shots
of the countryside, the water scenes, not the cgi ones,
but like the boats on the water, the cliffs beautiful.
My only one of my issues is a lot of
this film is shot in the dark, and when it
is shot in the dark, it's very hard to see it.
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Like the action scenes of the cave scenes where they're
attacking at night. I understand it's movie magic, and they
can probably hide a lot of stuff when they do
stuff like that, but I mean it's it's a strain
on the eyes. I like this movie. I like how
they set up the how he learned the language, very impressive.
I thought that was really well. Yeah, Antonio Benderis does
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a great job of being like the odd odd man
out to become one of the heroes of the movie.
And I really like the the leader of the Vikings.
Remember when he stands to fight and then he just
goes and dies on that throne at the end. A
very powerful movie. And then you know Antonio Banderus was
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sent here away to go be a spokesperson because he
fell in love with the Sultan's wife or whatever. Right, yeah,
and now you can tell that he's a playboy because
he goes and he you can tell he's fallen in
love with that chick or whatever. And then you know
they waved each other as he's driving off. I was like,
Antonio Benderaz, you player.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
You know he looks like in Tnia Benderz. Every man
would be a playboy. They look like in Terio Vendera.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Yeah. So yeah, so if I'm given in reading, I
liked this movie. It was something back then. It was
something that I hadn't seen like that. The story and
enthralled me. But drawing the parallels to Beowulf, you can
see it now and I never really thought about it
being Beowulf, but it is Beowulf, and I like Antonio Benderis.
I think all the vikings did great. So for me, yeah,
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probably right around a seven. Is it one of my
favorite movie. No, but it's a really good movie. I
think it has its place in like action lore, if
you will, not overall bloody, but there is some scenes
that are pretty graphic.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Gory, pretty graphic, pretty out there, you know really.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
And I always wondered how many how many of these
horses got hurt or or died in this because there
was some pretty rough scenes in there with horses and
everything too.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
So, yeah, we didn't see any something the notes necessarily,
but I'm sure there's definitely a lot.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Of it always happened. What was that movie we covered,
Was it Lawrence of Arabia where there was just.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I believe it was Lawrence Arabia word just like so
many horses, yeah, or the gladiatorial scene, Oh gosh, the
name of the film.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
I can't remember.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Now where they had the gladoral, you know, running around
the film of Jesus in it.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
That might have been her.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I believe it's been her having mostly horse injuries we
talked about in the film, right, Yeah, thank you remind
me that the Jesus movie, the Chick fil A biography.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Yeah, so, Kyle, we did have a couple of reviews
we said we would read. I know it had been
it's been a while there. This is honestly the first
time Kyle and I have recorded together in probably six
weeks because I got real sick. It was all two weeks.
I had no voice. Kyle had some stuff going on. So, huh, Kyle,
would you like to read the reviews.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
For Yeah, we got a couple of reviews here, and uh,
you know, I appreciate both of them. We got a
five star review from Bond right here where he's the
Wickerman Show where he says, I practice for hours dancing
nude to get that Whillow dance just right. Never could
perfectly get it. Thank you for a great episode movie
eight out of ten Bond, Bond, thank you very much.
Bond out Jason Bond appreciated. And next up, we have
a little bit of a surer review right here with
(32:38):
three out of five stars. Why apologize movie you didn't make?
Do you need to be a politically rerech just talk
about a movie and for that and who was a
that was? I account says movie degree, movie degree. Yeah,
so that trust me he or Jimbo and might not
say like anything like you know, rude ors like that too,
because I don't think he meant it hostile or anything
like that, but in general, like not current politics aside,
(32:59):
I don't I don't know if you politically correct or
kind of like woke is like bad words. Necessarily for
the sake of this podcast, we want to have a
inclusive community that is focused on love and appreciation for
films and not focus on any kind of hate, either
intended or otherwise. And so we kind of want to
focus on trying to make sure that we're trying to
be incentive as possible because we just like people in general.
(33:20):
It's a matter of kindness and respect we have for
our community and people of all diversities that we want
to keep forward going, as you know, podcast hosts and
producers and we want to make content that brings people
in and bring people together overall, so yeah, so the
idea of like, you know, politically correct me and a
bad thing always kind of sours my mind a little bit,
and that like now, we don't do it for kind
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of a selfish desire to have like, you know, the
biggest community possible, but because we want to welcome everyone
around us and be friendly. So that's where we kind
of want to focus.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
On, right. I believe that what was that movie that
we watched where I believe what that rebe was talking about?
It was like, well, I'm sorry I watched it. What
was that where you said that apologies for movie reviews?
You remember that one that you apologize because I'm sorry
I suggested that we watched it. You were like, this
is terrible. I think that's what that's stemming from. I
forget what movie it was. It was recent though.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yeah, I don't remember apologized movie reviews and that was
the septic line of his movie. So I don't know
which podcast you actually is specifically referring to. But yeah,
in general, like, you know, apologies to the filmmakers like
that too. A lot of people put in good work
on these films, and I want to respect that work
even when the film is bad. You know, like you know,
Thirtek Wuard. I don't think it is a particularly great film,
but I'm sure a lot of people put their plots
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wet in tears and the making that film as good
as they possibly could. And you know, even if that
work doesn't get reflected in the final product, like I
still want to respect that, you know, that effort they
put towards it. So that's where I kind of quld
make apologies to filmmakers or something like that too, or
films I didn't make you, but.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
You were like, I'm sorry, I wasted my time. I
think that's you were like really harsh on that one.
I forgot what it was. We both were.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I could be particularly harsh too, and you know, I'm
human eye being mistakes like that as well. So I
could have gone overboard with it, or I could have
or I could have given where they just deserved. I
really don't know, but you know, to be honest, like
once again, I just wanted to kind of focused on
things like the politically correct word doesn't really bother me
as much as like saying like there's nothing wrong in
my mind being politically correct. It's more about a matter
of being inclusive and being welcoming. I don't want to
be kind, I want to be loving.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
But like I said, if you leave a movie, we
will read it good, bad or not, and we don't care.
We just want to thank you for taking the time
to give us a listen.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
We appreciate you taking time out give us a review.
And I don't want to be rude to our movie,
to our podcast reviewer right here in this case, I
hope he's a fan of shows or yeah, he ors
she yeah, and or they hear them.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Politely corrects whoever you may be.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
So yeah, if you'd like the leaves, we will read
on there eventually when we get together, because we record
multiple movies reviews at a time that way because Kyle
lives kind of far away, so we do all that
to save time on Kyle and me and get our
nose together and of things. But we will read it eventually,
so bear with this. If you want to follow us,
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I do believe. We have another one coming up soon.
It may have been before this raped us. I don't
know when you released this. So we will be doing
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There will be blood another movie that.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Was suggested by Kaylee Kayley.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Strike one we're gonna from the fish called so we'll see.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
I'm just gonna say from the little talk that I've
had with Kyle is it's not looking good for you.
Strike two may be coming, so see how it goes.
But with that being said, I think this episode's coming
to a close, and that's wrap.
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The thirteenth warrior.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of Cinema podcast,
or as we like to call it. After listening to
that trailer the Antonio bandera Seduction Hour, we listen to
that trailer and we just started cracking up because we
see Antonio Bearder's in slow motion unbuttoning his shirt with
his hair waving.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
In the wind.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Perfect. Yah, I'm your host, Jimbo, I'm your co host, Kyle, Kyle.
Today we are talking about a movie I picked out,
The Thirteenth Warrior, which is a movie I saw long
long ago, and I thought, you know, I'd like to
watch that again, and you know what, we might as
well go ahead and covered on the podcast. But Kyle,
before we get started, all right, Jimbo, you have a question? Yeah,
I do, Okay, Kyle, I think Antonio Bendez is a
(04:08):
very underrated actor. What is your favorite Antonio Bendera's movie?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Probably Once upon a Time in Mexico, Probably gonna my
twitching action film right there. I'm really enjoying a lot. Yeah,
I agree, Antonio Benair's is really underrated. I think he
really student time, had a really caer career overall. Now
it's kind of in his advanced as he's out of
it now, but still it does a lot of great work.
So really find entertaining. What's your favorite role for Antio Benaiir's. Well,
there's two that come to mind. The first one, which
(04:36):
I think is a not a lot of people have
seen this movie. It's called Assassins, and it's with him
and Sylvester Stallone and they're both assassins and they're assigned
to take each other out. So it's a very good
I highly recommend that we might have to cover that.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Yeah. And then the other one is Desperado. Did you
ever see Desperado where he's the long time, Yeah, where
he carries the guns and the guitar case.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, it's very good emotion behind him in that one scene. Yeah,
slow motions, shirt up by the hair in the all explosions.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
I saw that, all right. And I recently saw my
I believe he was King Herod in the Bethlehem story,
the one that just came out once upon a time,
but not once upon time, the new Christmas movie that
came out. I think it was last year, the year before.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
So I watched the Last Posts and Boots movie, the
Last Wish one really joined him in that.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
That was really good. All right, Kyle, let's take it away, all.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Right, Jimbo, we have. The Thirteenth Warrior, released on August
twenty seventh, nineteen ninety nine, follows the story of a man,
having fallen in love with a young woman, is sent
by a sultan himself on deplomatic mission to a distant
land as an ambassador, stopping a Viking village port to
restock on supplies, he finds hisself unwillingly embroiled in the
quest to banish a mysterious threat and a distant Viking land.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
This film was directed by John mcinernan, written by Michael
Christian for the original novel Eaters of the Dead, and
William Fisher adapted it for the screenplay as well with
One Lewis. Producers of the film were Michael Crinchton Ned
Dowd and John mcgernan. Composer was Jerry Goldsmith, cinematographer was
Peter Peter Menzies, Junior editor was John Wright, casting character
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was Petitionian McCorkle, and production signer was Wolf Kroger. Butcher
for the film was one hundred and sixty million dollars
in nineteen ninety nine. That's an insane buncher for the film.
Even even even now it's a pretty good healthy buncher
for her film now, but for ninety ninety nine, that's
insane money. Just for inflation, that'd be about three hundred
and seven point one million dollars a day. So right
up there with like trip a box rusures, we kind
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of set right now going on the cost like half
a billion dollars to make and all this kind of stuff,
so really insane money going on there. The film didn't
really form that well in the box office though, opening
weekend just made ten million dollars, which imagine was terrifying
for the executives and producers of the film. Just for inflation,
that'd be about nineteen point seven million dollars gross worldwide,
though it made a little more money back a gross
(06:54):
I'm sorry gross worldwide, it made a little bit moarning
back with sixty one point seven million dollars lations Toby
about one hundred and eighteen point four million dollars, so
still kind of a box office failure and that kind
of point. But I'm curious with long tail how much
money kind of made over time.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Let's see here.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Let's go on to some of the production details of
the film to do this film has run time one
or two minutes. Sound mix is w digital. This is
a color film. Aspect ratio is a cinematic two point
three nine by one, so pretty wide there. Moving on
some of the awards for a film. We have some
very small awards. We have a two thousand Alma Award,
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and then for the year two thousand, we also have
the Image and Foundation Awards, where we have a win
for Best Theatrical Feature Film, and we have a nomination
for nineteen ninety nine for the International Film International Film
Music Critics Award, where we have a nomination for a
Film Score of the Year Jerry Goldsmith. That covers the
awards for the film right there. Moving on to the cast,
we have, of course the legendary Antonio Banderas for the
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role of the main character of the film. I'mid I've
been Odland. Hopefully I pronounced that hopefully a little bit
of right, I don't know, And Donny Ben there's course,
And also, of course I'm probably well known for such
films as Master Zoro Nick ninety eight, des broad Nick
ninety five, and the Poos and Boots series from twenty
eleven to many years on now. Probably still make more
sequels for that high you know, I think they made
(08:18):
like five those movies. Actually, did they ever say they
were going to reboot Shrek or something? I was doing
a Shrek five, Yeah, okay, Well, I mean I thought
there was gonna be the actual reboot with new characters
or new new voices, bring the whole cast back. Eddie
Murphy and well, I know for five, but I was
hearing a reboot that they were going to remake.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, well they probably played with all kinds of ideas
about it. You know, they're probably do a live action
Shrek in like twenty years. It'll be terrible if Michael
Myers plays Shrek, though, that would be pretty funny. Yeah, no,
I agree with you. No, Shrek is an interesting series. Yeah,
it's it's it's weird to kind of try and bring
it back because I think it's kind of time and place.
But that's make you drop it, make not the contrap buttons.
(08:59):
Nextcept have Diane Vernora playing the role of Queen Willy
Willow Willie. I'm arry, I can't pronounced that word right.
That's mean a lot of characters film. I can barely
pass the word right now. That's typical.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Kyle. You need to pull up dil lingo and brush
up on your Viking.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah terrible. Now we have these new microphones. Now I
can hear me mispronouncing these words so well. It just
adds to the insult to all these cultures I'm bringing.
But Diana Venora was also in the film heat ine
A five was an equalizer in twenty fourteen Denzel Washington.
Next up we have Dennis Storehoy. He played the role
(09:36):
of Herger Herger Sorr, Herger of Dennis Storhoy was also
in the film Troll in twenty twenty two and Camilla
and the Thief in nineteen eighty eight. Then we have
Vladimir Coleridge playing the role of Billy Wolf. I'll play
pronounce once again. I should have listened to the words
being pronounced in the film to kind of get an
idea for these names.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
You played Skyrim enough, he should be okay trying to
pronounce these It's a thought. Accounts Mikyle before we started recording.
Would you like to tell the audience how much money
you have spent? No on games, absolutely from twenty eleven
to twenty twenty five, more on Steam. Would you like
would you like the announce that I.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Will absolutely not that it is going to the grave?
Is it because it was a dead drop number, but
I'm not saying it more than a new car Around
that number. Yeah, around that number.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Jo.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Thank thanks for bringing that up, but didn't tend to
bring that up in the podcast though we cant edited out.
But it's okay. That's Okay, yeah, we're around that number
for sure. Whould like to being to round up for doubt. No, no,
we're not gonna do. We're not We're not going any
further than that one. Vladimir Kolitch was also in the
film The twenty fourteen as well. Then we have Omarsherrif
(10:51):
Omarshery played the role of milk chiss a Dick melchis
Dick I'm not sorry, actually were you? Okaykels the dick
Milkez Dick melt kenzy kiss I even know? Or Marshiriff
was also in the film Lawrence of Arabia in nineteen sixty
two and Doctor Zivago nineteen sixty five, So to legendary
films right there. Next up we have Andrews t Anderson
playing the role of Wigiliff, the King's son. Andrews tin
(11:13):
Anderson was also in the film Berliner Poppling in two
thousand and seven. Just once again, that's that film, film
titled itself pretty awfully as well. Next time we have
Richard Bremer playing a role of skeled. Richard Bremer was
also in the film Le Miz Rob in twenty twelve.
Then we have Tony Kieran playing a role of wif.
The musician Tony Kurran was also in the film Calibre
(11:35):
in twenty eighteen. Next up we have the role of
Neil Moffin playing the role of Rounuff. Neil Moffin was
also in the show Stargated. Oh yeah, there was a
show with Stargated Lantis from two thousand and four to
have our long that ran the TV show. Yeah, yeah,
the TV show. Then we have Clive Russell playing a
role of health Dang. Clive Russell was also in the
film Sherlock Holmes two thosand and nine. And then we
(11:57):
have Stephen Wolter playing the role of King Hofgar in
the h He was also in the film The Man
of Machurka in nineteen eighty four. And uh, that's where
I'm going to kind of end the cast list, mainly
because there's a lot of names that I'm going to
to struggle to announce in their smaller roles. So that's
where I wanted to leave the cast list right there.
Jim owlet's move on some trivia.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Well, great, so now I get to mispronounce a lot
of names in the trivia. Absolutely Well, it's there's not
a lot of too many information, and yeah, it's it's
it was just a movie in the nineties that didn't
really have a lot of significant Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I didn't have a huge cultural impact, I think, and
so it didn't have the same kind of fan and
could following. But there's still things we do.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
What I really liked about this movie is the I
loved how you know, he was Muslim and he was
from like the Middle East, but when he went on
the vikings saying he could never understand what they were
saying about him. He and then he says, there and
he just listened, and he's watching their mouth move, And
there's a really cool trans for me in the movie
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where it goes for them talking like Norse or whatever,
and then he starts understanding. I mean, they say something
about his mother and he's like, my mother, was it this?
Or don't talk about my mother? And they're all like,
how did you know that? He said? I listened. I
thought that was really really cool. So here we go, Kyle.
This is actually based upon an Anglo Saxon epic poem.
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Do you know what poem that would be?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I guess based on the Michael Ristian book The Years
of the Dead. I'm assuming that's the name, the same
name Tom, maybe is it not?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
No Kyle an epic poem, not a book, Beowulf Beowolf? Oh, okay,
that makes sense. Did you ever see Beowulf that c
G I.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I did watch the c g I film Pretty cool
and read some of the original book in class.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
No I some let's just say poem, some title Beowolf. Okay,
I'm done.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I didn't say that. Class I said that it was
part of the cricklin what are it all?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Kinds of stuff about Kyle. We love Kyle, all right.
So Graham Revel had composed a complete original score when
the movie was slated to be released as Eaters of
the Dead in nineteen ninety eight. After the film was
deemed unwatchable during.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
The scream Oh my Gosh.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Michael Crichton took over the project, rejected Rebel's original score,
and brought in Jerry Goldsmith, which he's a legendary composer
by now, to rescore the film renamed The Thirteenth Warrior,
how would you feel you put your blood? Tweat tears
at the big U score for a movie, And then
all of a sudden they're like, nah, not doing it.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I mean the end of the day, I guess you'd
have just you know, takes saw from the fact that like, hey,
you got paid for good work, then you didn't if
you got paid I'm assuming you got paid for his
work and time, you know some degree, you know the
base rate anyways, So but yeah, it turned out to
feel kind of insulted by that, and so you just
kind of like say, like, you know, just like it
was for the wrong audience at that point. You know,
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the right audience would appreciate his original score, I'm sure,
and I don't think he's ashamed of his work.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Would you like to hear the original score? I would.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I would like to see I am now curious.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
I would like to see a lot of these movies
that we talked about where this could have been, the
Yeah films and all those convention engineing ideas.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah, I'm curious, like to say, like that, you know
what made that unwatchable to a degree? You know, so
it's like, you know, is the case where like he's
just not talented at all, or this case for the
score was just so out there and weird that people
didn't appreciate for its time. Well, sometimes the score. The
score makes the movie. Tooly, the wrong score could probably
really be to the movie. I would say more often not,
the score makes the film. Generations So.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
The source novel Eaters of the Dead, which Kyle briefly mentioned,
has become part of one of the most notorious hoaxes
in librarianship circles. The Ahmed two c manuscript, which the
bibliography says is the novel source, is completely made up.
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The name of the translator, nos Dulus, is two Latin
words meaning both hoax and fraud.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Since the novel was published in nineteen seventy six, the
University of Osio, where the manuscript is supposed to be kept,
has sent out letters telling enquirers that they have been
the victim of a hoax.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Oh my gosh. That's some interesting cultural dispute right there.
I wouldn't know what's saying about that, necessarily crazy.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
In accordance with the book, John mcteern's version of the
Wendell's mother was an old woman played by veteran actress
Susan Willis after Michael Crichton took over. Is that Krichton
or is that Crichton is that the guy that did
Dreassic Park. Yes, dress Park, Yeah, yeah, dress Bar. I'm
glad I wasn't paying attention to it. So he took
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over and did the reshoots. He decided that brutally killing
off an old lady did not reflect very well on
the heroes, Crichton decided to make her younger, sleeker, and tougher.
In the final release. Wendell's mother is played by Kristen Cloak,
who's uncredited, but the final credit still list Susan Willis,
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so they at least gave her a credit name.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
One of the Viking chips used in the movie is
now in the Norwegian Pavilion in the Epcot Center at
Walt disney World, where it is used as a playground
for kids. Disney's owns Touchdome picture flips. Oh my gosh,
imagine the wearing tear that I think you're received.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Man, Can you imagine? Should go and just get on it?
Right here is where Antonio Benderas set his butt on.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Kyle Don sniffed the seat. So this was actually filmed
two years before its eventual release, the release date, which
had been pushed back several.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Times imagine for recuts and also having holding score for
the film significant.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Although rumors persist that this was one of the most
expensive movie flops ever the budget of one hundred and
sixty million dollars, The producers claimed it cost ninety million
before marketing. The movie grows only thirty two million, six
or ninety dollars in or six hundred ninety eight thousand
dollars nine yeah, nine hundred dollars in the US and
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a little over sixty one million worldwide.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
So okay, that makes a lot of sense, but it's
still it is still financial bomb that case. Really, yeah,
small flop, still still a huge flop because you spent
that much money on marketing and still getting turn on
your investment. And uh yeah, I mean that's entirely common
for today and now all video games and movies, like
half your budget is almost entirely reserved for marketing, or
you know, in this case, about a third looks.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Like well, I mean you have to with you know,
all the social media TikTok.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, it's a rise above everything else. It's incredibly challenging.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
And if you want to reach an audience, you probably
you put a TikTok video out. It's probably better than
an ad in the newspaper or local magazine or anything
like that anymore, I would say, TikTok, Facebook, Twitch, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, now social media so like segmented in its audiences.
Do you have to go everywhere to find anybody into
much part?
Speaker 6 (19:04):
You know?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Like you know, now you can go TikTok can be
a very directed ad for a very particular market and
get a lot of success there, I think. But yeah,
it's very, very difficult to have the worldwide appeal that
so many brands try to cultivate. Now, you know, I
feel bad for I feel bad for the big businesses. Hilarious,
but I mean, like I I feel bad for the
challenges they have the face of trying to get a
worldwide audience. They have to advertise on literally every platform
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on the globe basically to get any kind of mass appeal.
It's very difficult.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
When is the last time that you saw a billboard
with a movie saying, Hey, this movie's coming. Do you remember? Gosh?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
And in my local area there's an ad that's basically
for adopt an orphan, but it also it's also a
co ad for Shazam too, and it's been up for months. Yeah,
you know that I think that was up there for
Jazam one one. No, no, it's for Jaxam too because
it has the whole team together. Yeah, which was a
you know, a spoiler for jam one.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's you don't see him
as often as you used to see them unless you're
like in New York where they have that cool like
three D bill board where stuff's like reaching out and
stuff like that, you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, Nowaday billboards are mainly reserved.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
Daryl Isaacs call the Hammer Hammer and John mctiernan's original cut,
there was no final duel between Beowolf and the Leader
of the Wind, so that'd be interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
The vikings. This disparated armor can be explained by the
Norse tradition of taking the armor of a vanquished foe.
It was also a display of status in North society.
Then nicer the armor, the higher the position. Halga appears
to have a Roman gladiator's helmet, so I thought that
was one of the most interesting points of the movie,
is where the guy challenges that big old guy and
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he is just taking a pounding and then you know
he's antony binness, like he's gonna kill him. And he's
like just wait, you know, and then he ends up
killing their leader and.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Reveals the last second like he was largely just twined
with them.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah, yeah, really cool. Some of the windows throwing weapons
are based on the Roman plumbata, which replaced the throwing
spear in early fourth century and Legionary armies. Other long
throwing weapons shown are based on the medieval war dart
or fletched javelin.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
So attention to military acressy in those kind of ers,
that's interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
We one of the Viking warriors wears a piece of
tartan as part of his costume. Tony Kerran was born
in Scotland, so that's pretty cool that he put part
of that on his armor. Dennis store Hell or store High,
almost drowned during the underwater section. Antonio and Banderaz jumped
into the water and pulled him out of the water
and saved his life. Antonio banderas good man Kyle. We've
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covered several movies where people almost drowned. Would you do
an underwater scene like.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I would feel incredibly nervous and out of water scene
for sure. General stuntwork is, you know, so terrifying, especially
in a movie production. Where it's like, hey, we made
this set two weeks ago and it's all you know,
spindles and they're like the chiefest bitter got to make it,
you know, and all that kind of stuff too. Safety
on film.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
So would you be like calling your stuntman to do
this stunt for you or would you do your own stunts.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Rely on a stuntman for many scenes? I could pretend like,
oh yeah, I would do my own stunts. I want
to be, you know, as authentic as possible, But in
reality I think like no, I think.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
It's but I know, like Tom Cruse likes to do
a lot of his own stunts and he's crazy, dude.
He's sitting on like the top of the tallest building
in the world, like meditating. I'm like, yeah, no, that's
not for me. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Reality is like I never have the physic for action
scenes in a movie. I don't have an out of
a movie start.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
So, Kyle, when when my fiftieth birthday rolls around in
a couple of years, we're going skydiving.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Going skydiving, skydive, go skydavn yeh.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Sure you have to open your parachute when we go.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
It's so dark, God, so depressed you when you own
his pair of shoe. Oh my gosh, Oh Kyle, open
your para shute.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Oh it's my lunch bucks us.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Oops. You know that's part about a parachute. It is like,
you know, like people make parachutes, they never get a
bad review.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Well you know what the they're like, Oh, you're gonna
pack your own parachute. Okay, all right, sure guys like
I can't even make my bed.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It's got a full here.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
How many falls off? Right? Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
What?
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, just a jumble, just a trash bag flap, really hard.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Okay. So Savin Wolter's only Hollywood film in English language role.
The cave scenes were almost we're almost filmed on location
near the camp set in Elk Bay, but production for
some to film the scenes in the studio in Delta,
in a large stage called the a Frame owned by
the Mere or Mirror Worldwide Intermediate. The stage measured ten
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thousand meters squared, which is one hundred and seven thousand
and six and thirty nine point eleven feet two hundred
meters long, fifty meters wide and twenty meters tall. It's
a pretty big studio.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Huge.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
In generally you know, the practical productions in this in
this film are actually incredible.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah, they don't make movies like these nowadays.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Right. Promotional posters in Mexico displayed the film's title as
Eaters of the Dead, the name of Crichton's original novel
the movie is based off of. Most theaters never received
posters with a new title, confusing moviegoers.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
It's fair, I understand. It's pretty offutting title for a movie.
It's like cannibalism the movie, and it's like, I don't honest,
they want to watch that.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Ahmed Ibbin fad Lane Antonio a Maderas in this movie
is referred to by his name only once by Beowulf
or bully Wolf, whatever his name was in this movie,
during the first rate of the Windel. This is where
he shouts Ahmed as he throws a sharpened stick to
him to wedge into the ground to stop the Windel
horses during their charge village. Other than that, he has
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referred to the company of the warriors as Ibun little
brother or simply the air ab Cool.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, it's interesting to have a you know, like it's
for as many Moer movies as I watch now, I
can't remember. I can't recall a single character that I
know is like the main character and also a Muslim
character the worlds.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
The only the only one I can that pops into
my mind would be from Robin Too, Prince of Thieves,
where you had Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, even that. Yeah, so that would be the one
that that sticks out of my mind. Yeah, so very
cooling representation there.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Omar sh Reef was disappointed with this film. Quote. I
said to myself, let us stop this nonsense, these meal
tickets that we do because it pays well. I thought,
unless I find a stupendous film that I love and
that makes me want to leave home to do, I
will stop. Bad pictures are very humiliating. I was really sick.
It is terrifying to have to do the dialogue for
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bad scripts, to face a director who does not know
what he is doing, and a film so bad that
it is not even worth exploring.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Wow. He took a temporary hiatus from acting, not accepting
another major role until Monsieur Ibrahim. He started in only
one more Hollywood film, Hidalgo. So if you ever seen Hidalgo,
that's what Vigo Mortensen where the horse. It's really good.
I haven't seen it. Yeah, it's curious. Now, it's a
good movie. All of the live camels were killed eaton
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to feed the cast and crew for the remaining days
on the set. Oh wow, I'm kidding, like that shock.
They were actually all permanently sent to Clarington, Ontario, Canady
as a bow Manville zoo after filming this semitic cinematic production.
They remained there until it's closure in twenty sixties. They
actually took care of him.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Kyle is like incredibly why so many questions were raised.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
The film omits an explanation of why the missed monsters
what they actually are. In the novel, author Michael Crichton,
writing as the narrator, reveals that they were the descendants
of the Neanderthal m So interesting and last, but not
least Kyle, During the choosing of the thirteenth warriors, the
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seer brings up a bleached bone to give to each warrior.
On the thirteenth warrior, she lifts a dark bone to
the camera, a clear sign that she will call the
darker skin iten. Hmmm, so a little foreshadowy there. Yeah,
all right, Kyle, let's hear it thoughts of the.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Film overall, You know, to be honest, this film never
got me extremely excited, but I did enjoy watching it.
From a kind of production standpoint, scene productions that large
just don't really exist nowadays in films, and it's such
a brief time in Hollywood where the budgets were so
huge but didn't have access to green screens to use
digital effects and mean in cases, although there are a
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few digital effects shots in this film, simply in the
boat stuff, right, you can tell it's really bad, it's
really bad. But in general, there's a lot of early
impressive shots and a lot of depressive set pieces going
on in this film that I really enjoyed a lot.
The action scenes were amazing respects, so I found those
pretty pretty good. But the film itself I kind of
agree with. I'm sure if that the script overall is
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pretty weak and not very interesting. I don't feel like
I came away from this film feeling like, oh man,
I got this lesson from the film or this kind
of a level of entertainment. Instead, I just found it
overall like this is enjoyable enough, but not great. If
I had to give a ready out of ten, I'd
probably give it a maybe a six point five or
seven maybe just kind of like overall solid, but didn't
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really do anything for me otherwise, and I probably don't
have any revisiting anytime soon. But the film overall, I
don't have like many bad things to say about it,
though as much as I've said a much bad things
aboad it, so I feel a little contradutory right there.
But yeah, it's a it's an interesting film, and just
like you know, once again, like they just they don't
make movies like this nowadays, and that's always kind of
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impressive and interesting to see, and I really appreciate that.
But besides that, the film doesn't do much for me.
So that's where I kind of sit in the film overall. Jim,
But how do you feel about it?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I think there are some scenes that are beautifully shots
of the countryside, the water scenes, not the cgi ones,
but like the boats on the water, the cliffs beautiful.
My only one of my issues is a lot of
this film is shot in the dark, and when it
is shot in the dark, it's very hard to see it.
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Like the action scenes of the cave scenes where they're
attacking at night. I understand it's movie magic, and they
can probably hide a lot of stuff when they do
stuff like that, but I mean it's it's a strain
on the eyes. I like this movie. I like how
they set up the how he learned the language, very impressive.
I thought that was really well. Yeah, Antonio Benderis does
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a great job of being like the odd odd man
out to become one of the heroes of the movie.
And I really like the the leader of the Vikings.
Remember when he stands to fight and then he just
goes and dies on that throne at the end. A
very powerful movie. And then you know Antonio Banderus was
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sent here away to go be a spokesperson because he
fell in love with the Sultan's wife or whatever. Right, yeah,
and now you can tell that he's a playboy because
he goes and he you can tell he's fallen in
love with that chick or whatever. And then you know
they waved each other as he's driving off. I was like,
Antonio Benderaz, you player.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
You know he looks like in Tnia Benderz. Every man
would be a playboy. They look like in Terio Vendera.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Yeah. So yeah, so if I'm given in reading, I
liked this movie. It was something back then. It was
something that I hadn't seen like that. The story and
enthralled me. But drawing the parallels to Beowulf, you can
see it now and I never really thought about it
being Beowulf, but it is Beowulf, and I like Antonio Benderis.
I think all the vikings did great. So for me, yeah,
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probably right around a seven. Is it one of my
favorite movie. No, but it's a really good movie. I
think it has its place in like action lore, if
you will, not overall bloody, but there is some scenes
that are pretty graphic.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Gory, pretty graphic, pretty out there, you know really.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
And I always wondered how many how many of these
horses got hurt or or died in this because there
was some pretty rough scenes in there with horses and
everything too.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
So, yeah, we didn't see any something the notes necessarily,
but I'm sure there's definitely a lot.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Of it always happened. What was that movie we covered,
Was it Lawrence of Arabia where there was just.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I believe it was Lawrence Arabia word just like so
many horses, yeah, or the gladiatorial scene, Oh gosh, the
name of the film.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
I can't remember.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Now where they had the gladoral, you know, running around
the film of Jesus in it.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
That might have been her.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I believe it's been her having mostly horse injuries we
talked about in the film, right, Yeah, thank you remind
me that the Jesus movie, the Chick fil A biography.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Yeah, so, Kyle, we did have a couple of reviews
we said we would read. I know it had been
it's been a while there. This is honestly the first
time Kyle and I have recorded together in probably six
weeks because I got real sick. It was all two weeks.
I had no voice. Kyle had some stuff going on. So, huh, Kyle,
would you like to read the reviews.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
For Yeah, we got a couple of reviews here, and uh,
you know, I appreciate both of them. We got a
five star review from Bond right here where he's the
Wickerman Show where he says, I practice for hours dancing
nude to get that Whillow dance just right. Never could
perfectly get it. Thank you for a great episode movie
eight out of ten Bond, Bond, thank you very much.
Bond out Jason Bond appreciated. And next up, we have
a little bit of a surer review right here with
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three out of five stars. Why apologize movie you didn't make?
Do you need to be a politically rerech just talk
about a movie and for that and who was a
that was? I account says movie degree, movie degree. Yeah,
so that trust me he or Jimbo and might not
say like anything like you know, rude ors like that too,
because I don't think he meant it hostile or anything
like that, but in general, like not current politics aside,
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I don't I don't know if you politically correct or
kind of like woke is like bad words. Necessarily for
the sake of this podcast, we want to have a
inclusive community that is focused on love and appreciation for
films and not focus on any kind of hate, either
intended or otherwise. And so we kind of want to
focus on trying to make sure that we're trying to
be incentive as possible because we just like people in general.
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It's a matter of kindness and respect we have for
our community and people of all diversities that we want
to keep forward going, as you know, podcast hosts and
producers and we want to make content that brings people
in and bring people together overall, so yeah, so the
idea of like, you know, politically correct me and a
bad thing always kind of sours my mind a little bit,
and that like now, we don't do it for kind
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of a selfish desire to have like, you know, the
biggest community possible, but because we want to welcome everyone
around us and be friendly. So that's where we kind
of want to focus.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
On, right. I believe that what was that movie that
we watched where I believe what that rebe was talking about?
It was like, well, I'm sorry I watched it. What
was that where you said that apologies for movie reviews?
You remember that one that you apologize because I'm sorry
I suggested that we watched it. You were like, this
is terrible. I think that's what that's stemming from. I
forget what movie it was. It was recent though.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yeah, I don't remember apologized movie reviews and that was
the septic line of his movie. So I don't know
which podcast you actually is specifically referring to. But yeah,
in general, like, you know, apologies to the filmmakers like
that too. A lot of people put in good work
on these films, and I want to respect that work
even when the film is bad. You know, like you know,
Thirtek Wuard. I don't think it is a particularly great film,
but I'm sure a lot of people put their plots
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wet in tears and the making that film as good
as they possibly could. And you know, even if that
work doesn't get reflected in the final product, like I
still want to respect that, you know, that effort they
put towards it. So that's where I kind of quld
make apologies to filmmakers or something like that too, or
films I didn't make you, but.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
You were like, I'm sorry, I wasted my time. I
think that's you were like really harsh on that one.
I forgot what it was. We both were.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I could be particularly harsh too, and you know, I'm
human eye being mistakes like that as well. So I
could have gone overboard with it, or I could have
or I could have given where they just deserved. I
really don't know, but you know, to be honest, like
once again, I just wanted to kind of focused on
things like the politically correct word doesn't really bother me
as much as like saying like there's nothing wrong in
my mind being politically correct. It's more about a matter
of being inclusive and being welcoming. I don't want to
be kind, I want to be loving.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
But like I said, if you leave a movie, we
will read it good, bad or not, and we don't care.
We just want to thank you for taking the time
to give us a listen.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
We appreciate you taking time out give us a review.
And I don't want to be rude to our movie,
to our podcast reviewer right here in this case, I
hope he's a fan of shows or yeah, he ors
she yeah, and or they hear them.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Politely corrects whoever you may be.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
So yeah, if you'd like the leaves, we will read
on there eventually when we get together, because we record
multiple movies reviews at a time that way because Kyle
lives kind of far away, so we do all that
to save time on Kyle and me and get our
nose together and of things. But we will read it eventually,
so bear with this. If you want to follow us,
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that there's a movie you'd like us to cover, which
I do believe. We have another one coming up soon.
It may have been before this raped us. I don't
know when you released this. So we will be doing
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There will be blood another movie that.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Was suggested by Kaylee Kayley.
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to a close, and that's wrap.
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