Episode 210: There Will Be Blood

Join Jimbo and Kyle as they review this movie about the life of Daniel Plainview, a ruthless silver miner who moves to California in hopes of becoming a wealthy oil prospector by taking advantage of the local towns folk.  Starring Daniel Day Lewis.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
Simon Joys.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
If we tell that tells me are the.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Ladies and gentlemen. I've traveled over half our state to
be here tonight. I couldn't get away sooner because my
new well was coming in at Coyote Hills and I
have to see about it. Ladies and gentlemen, If I
say I'm an oil man, you will agree. I'm a
family man. I run a family business. This is my
son and my partner H. W.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
Plainfield Boys are a regular family business.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
You have a great chance here. My son is a
healer and a for the Holy Spirit. He has a church.
You will be cast up. I'm fixed like no other
company in this field. I have a string of tools
ready to put to work. That's why I can guarantee
to start drilling and to put up the cash to

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back my word. I assure you, ladies and gentlemen, no
matter what the others promise to do, when it comes
to the showdown, they won't be there.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
There's a whole lotion of oil under our feet.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
No one can get at it except for me. We'll
offer one hundred and fifty thousand for full title.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
When do we get our money, Danielle, I look at
people and I see nothing what it's liking.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Don't fin me, Damie playing. I see the worst in people.

Speaker 7 (02:53):
We have a sinner with us, yet out of your devil.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
I have a competition in me. I want no one
else succeed. I can't keep doing this on my own.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
With these people.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
All right, guys, Welcome back to the Tragy Cinema Podcast.
I'm your host Jimbo. I'm your co host Kyle Kyle.

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Today we are doing a listener request Hello Kayley from
Kaylee and she wanted us to cover Academy Award winning
movie There Will Be Blood starring Daniel D Lewis from
two thousand and seven. Kyle, have you ever watched this
movie before?

Speaker 7 (04:04):
I sat through it one time before in my life,
you know, Yeah, I would have been like fourteen when
it came out. I've been like five, like fifteen when
it came out. I probably watched when I was fifteen
and probably sat through it once and I was like,
this is weird and then dismissed it. And now this
is me watching for the first times.

Speaker 8 (04:19):
As an adults, and it's even weirder now, like that's weird, right, Yeah,
this was also my first time watching it. I I've
had it forever. And it feels like a long movie.
I think it's one hundred and fifty eight minutes. I
mean it's still long, but for the tension it holds,
for the subject matter that this talks about, it is very,

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as Kyle would say, uncomfortable. Yeah, said he felt uncomfortable
with the entire movie. So, Kyle, this is going to
be a pretty long one. I got a filling, So
why don't you go ahead and take it away?

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Take right into it, all right, jim O giessm. There
will be Blood.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
Released on January twenty, fifth of A two thousand and
eighty Knows. The two thousand and seven film covers a
story of a family, religion, hatred, oil, and madness, focusing
on the turn of the century prospector in the early
days of his business. This film was directed by Paul
Thomas Anderson, written by Tom Paul Thomas Anderson for the screenplay,
and based on the novel by Upton Sinclair.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
We'll call it titled Oil.

Speaker 8 (05:22):
Which is funny because when I saw this movie the
poster they said there will be blood. I was thinking, Oh,
we're gonna have a good old showdown in the Western
cowboy fighting boy?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Was I or all maintain your property fin Lane, Yeah,
it's America.

Speaker 8 (05:37):
I guess this would kind of be like what's that
show with Kevin Coster on Yellowstone?

Speaker 7 (05:42):
Yellowstone? Kind of I don't know, somewhere I watch Yellowstones. Yeah,
her good things like Yellowstone too. I just always want
to guy, I'll get around to it in six years
after everyone cares.

Speaker 8 (05:49):
I want to make sure all the sequels and spin
offs and all that are done before I dive into it.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
When there's like the key the perfect list of like
here's how you watch Yellowstone chronological order.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
First off, you got Viers and Ford thing.

Speaker 8 (05:58):
That's a I think I go to eighteen ninety seven, yeah,
and watched episode three and a half, and then you
gotta go over to nineteen twelve and whatever they are.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
It's like the Doctor Who for like American Who, Like, Yeah,
I heard good things about that show. I'm sure it's fine.
This film was yes produced by Paul Thomas Anderson, Daniel
Lupi Loupe and Joey Ane Seller and composed by Johnny
Greenwood for an amazing score. Frankly Sinam.

Speaker 7 (06:26):
Poker was Robert Elswitz, editor was Dylan Tichner, and casting
director was Cassandra Khalu Cundas and productions dinner was Jack Fisk.
All Right, going to the budget for the film, we
have a budget of just twenty five million dollars for
two thousand and seven, which is a very modest considering

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what they achieved. Cinemagraphy, cinema cineatography of this film, grave
visuals for really low budgets. Doing how well this film
came turned out. In just some inflation, that'd be about
thirty eight point six million dollars a day. This case
is probably when of the most modern movies we really covers.
Usually movies we covered are twenty years if not older.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
So or fort I did say with our sixth anniversary show,
we were doing all over with that, do you remember, Yeah,
that's right, of course, if we pull back the curtain.
We're recording our sixth anniversary show right when we get
done with this one, but it will be released before this.
I'm going to release it the days. Yeah, how it goes.
So that's that's what it is. That's cool. Yeah, but

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yeahs still a very modern film for us to cover.
But also just you know, you were requested, so we
won to cover and get that done. So I think
it's a great choice for removing that rule. It's it's
a good exception, even though we're dismissing the role altogether.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Let's see here.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
Yeah, So, opening weekend, the film grossed one hundred and
ninety thousand dollars, so very little money for their opening weekend.
Imagine I probably limited theatrical release most part because it
made money in the back end very well, just for
reflation that we got two hundred and ninety four thousand
dollars on today, and then gross for just US and
Canada we have forty million point two million dollars just
perflation maybe about sixty two million dollars, so it's made

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money back and then it's you know, marketing budget for sure,
So good money in there. I think gross worldwide it
made more money for seventy six and a half million
dollars just perflation to be about one hundred and seventeen
point nine million dollars today. So movie did a I
would say, a modest success, and many successes were a
total success even, so very good in there. And of
course this one wasn't even made simply for its you know,

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be a financial blockbuster, but to be a critically adored darling,
which it absolutely is when we get to the awards section.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
So very successful in that thing.

Speaker 7 (08:28):
So I'm going to go to the production facts about
the film real quick. This one has a run time
of one hundred and fifty eight minutes and both moving
to the right page here aspect ratio of very cinematic
y two point three nine by one. Laptoria used was
in Deluxe Hollywood, and uh process was Panavision Animal Frick.

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And that's going to the technical details of the film.
Then I'm going to move to the cast list right here.
Actually a very modest cast list overall, just because of
many of the actors prior just were kind of unknown
to me. And then also we kind of focus on
two major characters and every other character is kind of
a little more ancillary to the overall plot.

Speaker 8 (09:08):
I would say there's probably three. I would probably say
the Sun, the Son would be the third.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
One would be the third one, and then Paul Dano
and Paul and Daniel day Lewis would be the main
characters in the opinion. Yeah, but those it's the story
mainly resolves around these three major characters, and I think
even two are the main focus even or just one.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Frankly, I for Danie Lee Lewis's forms.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Alone and everything else is kind of more a little
more ancillary to the plot overall. But yeah, just going
to the cast here, we have danielday Lewis playing the
role of Daniel plain View. Daniel d Lewis has been
in many award winning films for his entire career, Gangs
in New York, The Last of Mohicans in ninety ninety two,
Lincoln in twenty twelve, and many other films. Overall, to
Daniel Lee Lewis is a kind of a prestige actor.

(09:52):
I mean, if there's a bestige actor, it's Dandy Lewis,
for the most park guy guy just you know, he
only wakes up if he's going to do a role
that he's going to win an oscar. Also, Lo, I
watched The Fandom Threat. I really loved that movie actually
a lot. And that's quite That might mean a favorite
Dane d Lewis film. Do you have favorite Daniel Lewis film?
Maybe this one?

Speaker 8 (10:07):
No, I think you're gonna get to what's the second
one in your cast list of Lincoln?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
No?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Before that? Oh, second one of the cast list h
Martin Stinger.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
No, no, no, the second movie that you were going
to say for Daniel d Lewis.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
You were saying, oh, I said that of Last and Mohiggans. Yeah,
but what was the one after that? Gangs in New York? Yeah,
probably Gangs in New York.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
I actually some rads well to probably most maybe the
most action focused role I think he had to.

Speaker 8 (10:35):
Daniel d Lewis is one of those guys that has
been in things and you don't know it's him. He's
kind of but I he always takes these roles that
are always award worthy. But he kind of reminds me
in a way of Gary Oldman. Yeah, he plays these
different characters. I mean Gary Oldman is like the Masters
of Disguise, you know, I mean, he's been in everything.

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He's one of the coolest actors of all the time.
Daniel day Lewis always has these parts. I don't really
know who he is because I've never really sat down
and looked at him. I could tell you what Gary
Oldman looked like, or Johnny Depp or something. But when
you say Daniel d Lewis, you either see him as Lincoln,
you see him as Daniel plain View.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (11:13):
I don't even know if I really know what he
looks like outside of any of the movies that he's done.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
Yeah, I would saying more so than most actors. Like
you know, like when you watch the specific actor, you
feel like you're watching that actor playing a role, whereas
Danny day Lewis really becomes that role to the point
where you don't see the actor as much in an
impressive way. And Danny Lewis has managed to kind of like, yeah,
he perfectly walks that line more so than many other actors.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
And he is a great actor. Yeah, so very impressive
on his role.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
I wonder when he chooses when he wants to be
in a movie, you know what I mean? I wonder
if he turns down scripts.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh, absolutely all the time.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
I know he has to, because the performance is that
he plucks out of what he wants to do. They're
always always award worthy, and I think that I think
that that's a sign.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
I wouldn't be surprised at all, Like it's like one
in a thousand thinks like he only get excellent actors.
He really is.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
And and even though this movie falls a little short
for me, his performance in this is astounding. Makes you
feel a certain way and you can't help but what
an actor.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Oh yeah, we'll get there. Incredible.

Speaker 7 (12:22):
Yeah, so yeah, danidy Lewis right there. Next up we
have a Paul Dano playing Eli Sunday, which I had
the right time to the other movies he was in,
but he was also in the film The Batman probably
much most recently replayed The Bridler and many other small
like independent films and the other films as well. So
Paul Dano excellent actor right there. Basically, you know, it
has to be a great actor to kind of co
star with danil Y Lewis and kind of hold his own,

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which I think is kind of debatable. I think Paul
Daniel puts an amazing performance in but then compared to
Danieldy Lewis's career, day Lewis just over outshines every evening
in this movie. You know, it's it's a it's a
it's a bright light compared to the Star.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
Is safe to say that Daniel da Lewis killed it
in this movie?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah? Have you seen them? No strikes here. If you've
seen the movie, you understand how dark that was. That's terrible.
The next time we have a Dylan Freeser Frasier playing
a role of hw and then Paul F. Hopkins playing

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a role of Prescott.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
Then we have many other small roles like Martin Stinger
playing a role of silver essay worker, Matthew Brandon playing
roll with others these are all silver Essay workers.

Speaker 8 (13:32):
Who played that butler at the end or whatever. His housekeeper.
He did a really good joll housekeeper. See if I
can find that real quick.

Speaker 7 (13:38):
I don't know if I can find that out to
look here Eli roglog Is oil workers. Brandy probably would
appear in the end of the cast list, Uh Blacksmith
uncredited roles plain view servant playing view servant, Vince Froyo
Froyle or something that I believe that that could be
the actor or Phil Shelley also as a plain view servant.

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So there's a servants in the film and they're both
they're both credited as Like, the most well known film
is There Will Be Blood two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
I don't think there are many other films. So you
did a good job. They did an excellent job right
there too. And I like the kind of like the
the almost no shock at all when he kind of
walks into the room and he's like, oh, here we
go again.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
It's just like, of course he did because he's this
kind of man kind of attitude almost when he walks
in the room. So a subtle performance in a great movie.

Speaker 8 (14:21):
And the thing about this movie is it ends so
abruptly you're like.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Oh, yeah, no, it's just what that's where we're at. Okay,
what what just happened? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (14:30):
I feel like there could be an episode two of
this and just like it continues on in this kind
of like depravity of just this man can give away
if everybody wants, and it also does these terrible acts
all the time, and he's just a But.

Speaker 8 (14:39):
To me, were you expecting to end just like the poop?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Just because it's been years separated?

Speaker 7 (14:45):
Like I knew the enny of the film going into it,
so I it can't be surprised at me now. But
I agree to like it feels like there's something wre
gonna happen, Like there's gonna be a big consequence. I mean,
like an a fictional story, like he was.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Gonna die right there. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
So it does feel like like we just cut off
here because that's where we need to cut off. It's
it doesn't Yeah, it's it's amazing we don't see the
consequences of these problems, which is probably speaks to a
little bit to his character in the fact, like because
he's rich, he doesn't have the consequence. It's a reflection
of the evil of the world to a degree. Uh
in this man, you know, we are in a world.
We are in a world that is ruled by people

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like uh that Daniel plain view in many respects, and
I think that's kind of like the message of the
film in many aspects. So yeah, I think it's very
interesting that we ended right there. Beautiful way to end film,
I think, but also uh, you know, intentionally I think unsatisfying,
you know, so I really appreciate it. But yeah, it's
it's it's it's an usual place to end film, you know,

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like it, you know, just shows they are better, you know,
better filmmakers than I would imagine myself to be. I
would never end a film like that.

Speaker 8 (15:48):
It kind of reminded me of what was that one
we did with Jackie Gleeson And oh that's a good question,
Jos about the name where he was willingly mount in
the wheelchair. This is a strange son and they wiled
him out over the top of that out of the
hospital because he didn't have anybody, his wife and all that.
Oh gosh, god, you're the one that picked it out.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I know.

Speaker 7 (16:10):
I know that's where my memory goes so terrible with it,
but I can't remember if I remember the name of Tad,
I'll blurt it out in the middle show or had
to look it up real quick.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
We'll find it later.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
Yeah, But anyways, that's the cast of the film right there.
We'll get more into details about the film later because
we get got by our thoughts about it. I'm going
to go through the plot summary of the film itself
to actually real quick, and then we'll go through the awards,
just because there's so much kind of going on in
this film that I kind of want to cover it
all and get assummation of the story so we can
talk about the film insummation. This is a written review,

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basically a written plot sumary by by the person calling
himself Hugo. The intersecting life stories of Daniel Playview plain
View in Eli Sunday in the early twentieth century California
is presented. Minor turned oil man, Daniel Plainview is a
driven man who will do whatever it takes to achieve
his goals.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
He works harbor.

Speaker 7 (17:00):
He also takes advantage of those around him at their
expense if he need be. His business father is his
son h W, who in reality he acquired when his
HW's biological single father, who worked on one of daniel riggs,
got killed in a workplace accident. Daniel was deeply productive
of HW, if only for an HW brings to the partnership.
Eli Sunday is one of the pair. Is one in
a pair of twins whose families farm. Daniel purchases for

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the major oil posit located on it. Eli, the local
preacher and self proclaimed faith healer, wants the money from
the sale of property to finance his own church. The
lives of the two competitive men often clashes. Daniel pump's
oil property and tries to acquire all the surrounding lands
out of bargain prices to build a pipeline to the coast,
and Eli tries to build his own religious empire.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
I do believe the movie was nothing in Common.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Nothing in common right from.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
December sixth, twenty twenty three, if you would like to
go back and listen, dude, episode one sixty six Jackie
and a Half and.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Was Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks and Jack Gleeson.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
Yeah, Yeah, that film had a you know, like abrupt
Robb's beautiful and sad and you were wanting more.

Speaker 8 (18:01):
And I remember saying that, you know, like left me hanging,
left you hanging. But also it's n Kyle's like, that's
not real life. I was like, Okay, no, I understand.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
I understand the complaint for there because that film maybe
didn't hold up as well as I helped the win
for that review, I think if I remember correctly, for
that film. But overall in this film, though, I think
it works really terrifically. This film was undeniable in its quality.
So that's a quick plot summary of the film here.
I'm gonna go into the awards section here, which is fast,
so hopefully I'm going to go through it and make

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it respectable.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I cut out all nominations.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
Is not to be nominated for Much Awards, but we
have Much Awards as there will be blood has you
gotta trim stuff out for just time sakes.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
We'd be here for eight hours.

Speaker 7 (18:43):
Yeah, we'd be here for all day doing this, giving
this podcast, just talking about awards. So for the twenty
ten gold Derby Awards circuit, we have the Golden Derby
Award for Lead Actor of the Decade and Daniel day Lewis.
Then for the two thousand and nine Doublin Film Critics
Circle Awards, we have the Best Film of the Decade
award in two thousand and nine. Then for the two
thousand and nine French Syndicate Film Critical Awards, we have

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Best Foreign Film Tom Tom Powis Samerson. Then for the
two thousand and nine Golden Eagle Awards in Russia we
have the Best Foreign Film. Then for the International Online
Film Critics Poll in two thousand and nine, we have
the Best Actor in the Leading Role daniel Lewis. Then
for the two thousand and eight AFI Awards in the USA,
we have the Movie of the Year award.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
For There Will Be Blood.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
For the two thousand and eight Academy Awards in USA,
we have a win for Oscar, win for Best Formance
by an Actor and Leading Role, and Best Achievement in
Cinematography to Robert Elswid And that's the wins there everything
else with nominations for watching, We're gonna go with the
Oscar nominations because the Oscars come on now. We have
a nomination for Best Mostion Picture of the Year, nomination
for Best Writing Adapted Screenplay, a nomination for Best Achievement
in Directing, nomination for Best Achievement in Film Editing, and

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nomination for Best Achievement in Art Direction and lastly one
nomination for Best Achievement in Sound Editing. Next up we
have two thousand and eight American Sauti Attendant Cinematographers Award,
where it won an astounding Achievement in Cinematography and Theatrical Release.
Then the two thousand and eight Art Directors Guild we
have a win for Excellent and Production Design Award and
Period Film. Then for the two thousand and eight After Awards,

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we have a win for Best Leading Actor to Danie
da Lewis. Then for the two thousand and eight Berlin
International Film Awards, we have a win for a silver
win for Best Director Tom Timpsons, the Silver Berlin Bear
Award for Best Director, and the Silver Berlin Bear Award
for US Sending Artistic Contribution for Music to Johnny Good
Johnny Greenwood for the score.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Of the film.

Speaker 7 (20:28):
Next up, for the two thousand and eighth Central Ohio
Film Critics Association, we have a win for Best Actor
dan Day Lewis. Then for the two thousand and eight
Clotrudis Awards, we have a win for Best Director, Best
Actor of Danie Lewis, and Best Sporting Actor Paul Danel.
Then for the two thousand and eight Critic Choice Awards,
we have a win for Best Actor Daniel Lowis and
Best Composer to John Greenwood.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Johnny Greenwood. Sorry.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
Then for the two thousand and eight Dublin Film Critics
Circle Awards, we have a win for Best Film and
Best Actor Danidae Lewis. Then we have the two thousand
and eight Evening Standard Bridge Film Awards, we have Best
Film Score and Best Actor to Daniel Lewis. Then for
the two thousand and eight gold Derby Awards, we have
a win for Best Cinematographer to Robert Elswhite to Robert
Elsewhite and Lead Actor for daniel Le Lewis. And then

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for the two thousand and eight Golden Globes, we have
a win for the Golden Globe for Best Formance by
an Actor and Emotion Picture in Drama category to daniel
da Lewis. The two thousand eight Golden Trailer Awards, we
have a win for Best Drama TV Spot for the
ant Farm for a music review in the Music Store,
Best Drama TV.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Spot for I Guess for the trailer for the movie.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
Then for the two thousand and eight Grand Primo in International,
they'll dope Delpi Olgital Award. We have the Best Leading
Voice Actor fran Francisco Ponte pon Fino for dubbing the
Daniel for dubbing of Daniel Lewis in two thousand eight
film for the French dubbing of the film Kyle.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
You're getting into some ridiculous awards. There's a lot of them, Cambo, Now,
I wanted to go through all the wins at least.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
Then we have the two thousand and eight International Cinephile
Society Awards, where we have a win for Best Production
Design to Jack Fisk and Best Original Score to Johnny Greenwood.
Then for the two thousand and eight International Online Cinema Awards,
we have a Best Director award for Paul Dummison Paul
Thomas Anderson, Best Actor of Daniel Lewis, Best Picture, and
Best Art Direction to Jack Fisk. Then for the two

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thousand and eight Ohio Film Critical Awards, we have the
win for a best Movie Yet to Open in Ohio.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh Yes, in Ohio.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
That's surprise, surprise, Ohio, no one expects. Ohio Irish Film
FI Irish Film and Television Awards, we have the win
for Best International Actor Danily Lewis, Then for the two
thousand and eight Italian Movie Awards, we have a win
for Best Actor to Daniel d Lewis. Next up for
the London Critics Circle of Film Awards, we have a

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win for Director of the Year to Paul Thomas Anderson
and Actor of the Year to Daniel day Lewis. Then
for the two thousand and eight National Society of Film
Critics Circle Awards, we have a award for Best Phrmotographer
to Robert Elswhite, Best Film, Best Actor Daniel Lewis, and
Best Director to Paul Thomas Anderson. Then next time for
the two thousand and eight North Texas Film Critic Association
in the USA, we have an award for Best Actor

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Daniel Lewis. Next step, for the two thousand and eight
Online Film and Televisionssociation, we have a win for Best
at Director to Paul Thomas Anderson. Almost get the page there,
but to bide in my own time. Next up we
have an award for the Online Film Critics Online Film
Critics Society Awards. We have a win for Best Actor

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daniele Lewis and Best Original Score to Johnny Greenwood. Then
for the Penn Center USA West Literary Awards, we have
a win for Best Screenplay to Paul Thomas Anderson. Then
for the two thousand and eight PGA Awards we have
the two thousand Sorry I completely messed that up. For
the Palm Springs International Film Festival, we have a win
for the Desert Palm Achievement Award Downley Lewis. Then for

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the two thousand and eight Sansuspassion International Film Festival, we
have a win for a Film of the Year to
Palm not Paul Thomas Anderson. Then for the two thousand
and eight Screen Actor Guild's Awards, we have a win
to actor for Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in
leniy Rule to Dan Lewis. Then for the two thousand
eight Turkish Film Critic Associations we have a Best Formed
Film award. Then for the two thousand and eight Vancouver
Film Film Critics Circle, we have a Best Actor awards

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at Danny Lewis. Then for the two thousand and seven
Alliance of Women Film Journalists we have the Best Actor
wards to Daniel day Lewis.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
The ladies love Daniel, as they like to call him
d d L.

Speaker 7 (24:20):
We also for the Alliance of Wimen Film Journalists we
also have a win for Best Cinematography to Robert Elswhite,
Best scored John Greenwood, and Best Film to Palm Felves
Aarerson and Best Actor to Daniel Da Lewis. Then, for
the two thousand and seven Awards Circuit Community Awards, we
have a win for Best Actor in Leading Real Toy
Danel Lewis. For the Chicago Film Critic Association Awards in

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two thousand and seven, we have a Best Actor word
to Daniel Le Lewis.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Once again.

Speaker 8 (24:43):
Can you imagine his trophy case just from this movie.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Just just bulging and how it came in. It's not
even a trophy case as a trophy wall. Yeah, that's
a room. This is the there will be blood real,
I don't know. I just put it all on storage
rat too many. I melted it down and made exactly
made a giant gold chain. Yeah tey loosen gold. Chaine's
laughing at that now.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
Next time, for the two thousand and seven dollars Dallas
Fort Worth Film Critic Association Awards, we have a win
for Best Actor due Danel d Lewis. Next step for
the two thousand and seven film two thousand and seven
Florida Film Critics Circle Awards, we have a award for
Best Actor Danny de.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Lewis once again. Then for the two thousand and seven
Golden Schmoe's Award, we have a Golden Schmoe Award for
Best Actor of the Year to daniel Lewis. So you
got the Golden Schmoke, you got the Golden schmoll And
we also got the Golden Schmoe Award for Best Line
of the Year. I drink your milkshake. I'm drinking up
my milkshake takes better than yours. I could teach you,

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but I have to charge uh. NEXTCEP.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
For the seven Kansas Films Kansas City Film Critics Circle Awards,
we have a win for Best Film, Best Actor daniel Lewis,
and Best Director Paul Thomas Anderson, who tied with Julia
Julian Schnebel for the film The Diving Bell and the Butterfly.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
You know what's not gonna be on this list? What's
that Jambo? A win for a Oh that's right, yeah,
the Razzies don't make an appearance on there. We'll be blood nextcept.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
For the two thousand and seven Las Vegas Film Critics
Society Awards, we have an award for Best Actor Daniel Lewis,
Best Cinematographer Robert Elswood, and Best Score to Johnny Greenwood.
Next ccept for the two and seven Los Angeles the
Film Critics Association Awards, we have a win for a
Best Pitcher, best Actor Daniel Lewis, Best Director Paul Thomas Anderson. Yeah,
the nextcept for the New York Film Critics Circle Awards,

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we having a win for Best Cinematography to Robert Elswind.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Best Actor daniel E. Lewis.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
Then for the two thousand and seven New York Film
Critics Online Awards, we have a Best Use of Music
Johnny Greenwood, Best Film who tied with the Dieting Bell
and Butterfly, which is the.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Film I've never heard of it before. I have checked
that out, Best.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
Director Paul Thomas Anderson, Best Actor Daniy Lewis, Best Cinematographer
to Robert Elswood, and win for Top Films of the Year.
Then for the two thousand and seven Phoenix Film Critics
Film Critics Society Awards, we have a win for Best
Formance by an Actor Leaning Role to Danily Lewis. Then
for the two thousand and seven San Diego Film Critic Awards,
we have the Best Screenplay Adapted to Palm Dump Paul

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Thomas Anderson, Best Director to Paul Thomas Anderson, Best Score
to Johnny Greenwood, and Best Actor.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
To Daniel da Lewis. Then for the two thousand and seven.

Speaker 7 (27:09):
Southeastern Film Critic Association Awards, we have a win for
Best Actor toe Daniel d Lewis. For the Saint Louis
Film Critic Associations, we have a win for Best Actor
Tode daniel Lewis.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean off, I'm I gonna say Daniel Lewis in
this whole podcast.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
Then for the two thousand and seven Utah Film Critic
Association Awards, we have a win for Top ten Films
of the Year and Best Actor to Daniel Lewis. Then
for the two thousand and seven Village Film Poll, we
have an award for Best Attribute Danil Lewis and Best
Film to Paul Thomas Anderson. And then finally for the
two thousand and seven Women Film Critics Ctical Awards, we
have a win for Best Actor.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
To Daniel day Lewis.

Speaker 7 (27:40):
Everybody, and that concludes the awards for There Will be Blood.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
That includes the Daniel day Lewis appreciation day, frame.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Of awards, just all these best actor awards and just like,
oh my gosh, go home, Daniel. At that point, it
wouldn't start.

Speaker 8 (27:54):
And you know, and I'm sure his movie Lincoln, he
won a ton of stuff.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
Just you know, a Phantom Thread and much other movies too,
probably Gays in the Yorkshire a Brad. But he just
sweeped up all the awards into that's been like these
are mine now, I don't know two of these because
he's crazy. He has to be crazy to play roles
like this. Effort's nice.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
Anyways, Jimbo, let's dive into some trivia for the film,
which I'm sure there's lots of stuff going on.

Speaker 8 (28:18):
That's not too much, oh okay, but interesting stuff, that's
the thing. So in an interview on the national public
radio program Fresh Air with Terry Gross, Paul Dano told
Gross that he had originally been cast in a much
smaller role of Paul Sunday, Eli's brother, and another actor

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had been cast as Eli. However, after Dano had already
started filming his one scene as Paul Sunday, Paul Thomas
Anderson decided to replace the actor playing Eli Anderson then
asked Dano to play Eli Sunday, a much bigger role,
as well as Paul Sunday, and they decided to change
the film to make the brothers identical twins. Anderson asked

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Dano to play Eli on a Thursday, and filming for
the role began four days later on the next Monday.
Sir Daniel da Lewis, by contrast, had a whole year
to prepare to play Daniel plain View.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Wow, so just four days you're like, here you go.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
What an incredible compliment where your performance is so good
that you know the director is like, no, you're gonna
get another role in this. We're gonna make it. We're
gonna make We're gonna make a p one brother, We're
gonna make up a twin brother just for you. Like what,
just go to acting?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
So just because you're acting? Is that good? With ridiculous?

Speaker 7 (29:26):
And also in Pauldianna, who I neglected to put his
movies on when I did the cast list there. Some
of the other films he's norbably been in Little Miss Sunshine,
Dumb Money, most recently in twenty twenty three, Swiss Army
Man in uh Duce, Swiss Army Man in in twenty sixteen,
The Girl next Door in tw thousand and four, which
the first time I saw him in, and then also

(29:46):
he's gonna be get in The Batman Part two, Pretty
Sing in twenty twenty seven, or whenever that movie decided
to come out in fifty years.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, So pauls an excellent actor. Amazing compliment right there,
for sure.

Speaker 8 (29:57):
So, Sir Daniel d Lewis based his voice and characterization
of Daniel plain View and in part of old recordings
of the director, writer and actor John Houston. An article
by Christopher Goodwin in The Sunday Times of London revealed
Paul Thomas Anderson sent Daniel day Lewis documentaries about Houston

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while Daniel d Lewis was preparing to play the role.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
Incredible in generally his whole You know, he's.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
John Houston or houstin Austin. H U s t N.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
I glasses. My eyes are getting blurry, exactly, Kyle. Let
me borrow your binoculars.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
I do, I do. There's like an inch stick. It's
great around there.

Speaker 8 (30:41):
That's why we don't record outside because you would burn
the notes by magnifying.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Exactly.

Speaker 8 (30:46):
Did you ever do that when you were younger, did
you Wow, God didn't say I burned grassively, You're over.
He went straight the.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Little mini genocides.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Yeah, Kyle was great. No, No, never did the bring
with a magnifie glows. I think I tried it once,
but it didn't really work for me because I didn't
really haven't. I never had a good sunny day to
herely get it done right.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Because you always have that cloud. Boy, Jimbo, you're too
close to the truth. And that was the last day
Kyle was on the podcast exactly.

Speaker 8 (31:22):
Oh yeah, it's always fun making fun of conduct. While
on location in Marfa, Texas, No Country for Old Men
was the neighboring film production, so they were filming No

(31:43):
Country film at the same time close.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
By have a similar vibe too.

Speaker 8 (31:47):
One day, Paul Thomas Anderson and his crew tested the
pyrotechnical effects of the oil Derek fire, which if you
see this, it's one of the most amazing shots in
this film, right causing causing an.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Enormous bill of smoke.

Speaker 8 (32:02):
Intruding on the shot that Joe Cohen and Ethan Cohen
were shooting. This caused him the delay filming until the
next day, when the smoke dissipated to both this film
and No Country Frilled Men would eventually become the leading
contenders at the Academy Awards a year and a half later.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Wow, small for the moment for sure, just too. Did
you ever watch No Country Full Man?

Speaker 8 (32:23):
I love that's a weird movie too, because the main
actors never even see each other.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
Ant is an amazing performance. Truly, it's great film. H
Jones Tony Lee Jones. And I don't remember who plays
Anton Er name of the actor? Gosh, Terlie's a great
actor too, look.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Up if your memory was ever good. I remember the
character's name. I don't reber the actor's name. That's terrible. Part.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
So Dylan Freezer, who plays h w playing views the
son of the character played by Daniel da Lewis Harvey Erbarden. Yeah,
the Sun was not an actor. He was an elementary
student near the film's West Texas shooting location. On the
radio program Fresh Air with Terry Gross again, Paul Thomas
Anderson told Gross that when the production was trying to

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give it Dylan's mother to allow Dylan to be in
the movie, his mother wanted to figure out who Dave
Lewis was, so she rented a copy of Gangs of
New York. Oh Gosh, at which he plays a murderous
gang leader nicknamed the Butcher. She panicked at the idea
of her son spending time with the man she saw
in that movie, So there will be blood. Casting department

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rushed to get her a copy of the Age of Innocence,
in which Daniel Daves Lewis plays a civilized and gentleman.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
So it just shows you how good of an actor
he is. Yeah. He sings inn of the role so much.
Oh yeah, I mustn't know. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
The film was originally given a twelve A rating in
the UK for cinema exhibition, meaning that children of any
age could go see it without u or sorry with
adult supervision if they were younger than twelve years old.
In a curious move, the distributor subsequently appealed to the
British Board of Film Classification to consider raising the certificate.
The BBFC agreed, and the film was subsequently upgraded to

(34:07):
a more restrict of fifteen, preventing those younger than fifteen
years from being admitted to screenings regardless of parental supervision. Yeah,
regardless of parental supervision. So even if you want to
take your son, You're like, nah, you can't get in.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
Also, I just I don't see anyone twelve runner. I
liking this film. It's not a film for kids none,
in the sense of that, like, oh man, the imagery
is so grotesque and like it will traumatize. Well, there
is some There is definitely a lot of imagery and
like a lot of stuff like is like upsetting, but
at the same time like not like terrible, terrible imaury
if I've certainly seen worse by.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
That time in my age. M that's me. I was
gonna say that really far such a stretch guy exactly,
not really a shocking thing.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
But in general the concert of the film, though, is
just a sure story that I don't think kids would
appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (34:53):
No, Kyle, do you remember the movie we covered that
Paul Thomas Anderson did. No, don't look, don't look.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Are you talking about the Horizon? No, I'm not talking
about it.

Speaker 8 (35:05):
So Daniel d Lewis accepted the role of Daniel plain
View as he had been a fan of Paul Thomas
Anderson's previous film Punch Drunk Love Right. According to producer
Joan Seller, the film might not even have been made
at all if Daniel day Lewis declined the role, so
this was basically made for him.

Speaker 7 (35:22):
Without Punch Drunk Love, he wouldn't have There will be Blood.
That is incredible, What a small moment. And then of
course we wouldn't have Punch Drunk Love. Long Goodbye, Tibet
Kyle can't remember anything we talked about.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Means we have like three movies that are like almost
directly connected.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
We did Long Goodbye, we did Punch Drunk Love, and
now we did there what we Blood and we did
him all in order. Yeah, that's incredible, crazy fight each other.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
Daniel plain View was modeled loosely after famous oilman Edward
Doe do Hinney, and his characteristics were based on Count Dracula.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
You know.

Speaker 8 (35:57):
Greystone Mansion in Beverly Hills was used at the end
of the This house was built by Donie Doheny for
his son, Edward L. Doheeny Junior or otherwise not.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Isn't it first evil as he is? I would say
he does have style. Dress is nice? You've just dressed
really nice. He looks, Yeah, Daniel looks grooks great and
every sing again I'm doing it like Besides, I like
looking bad. You know, it just hit me.

Speaker 8 (36:19):
The Daniel Davis and Daniel Plainview, Yeah, just hit me.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
So Daniel Plainview bears Summer's almost to a real early
twentieth century California oil cocoon named Edward Doheny Donye. Both
were from Fondu Lac, Wisconsin. Both were employed by the
Geological Survey and worked in Kansas. Both tried a hand
at mining before going into the oil business, and both
worked with a fellow prospector named HB.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Ellman.

Speaker 8 (36:44):
As for other plain View Dohany connections, the Bowling Alley
scene and There Will Be Blood was filmed by a
Graystone man or a California state he had built as
a present for his only son. Also in I was
singing of the infamous milkshake speech. Plainview gives is based
on transcripts of congressive hearings concerning the Teapot Dome scandal,
and which the very same Edward L. Dolhini had been

(37:07):
accused of bribing a political official.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Wow. So basically the film is almost loosely like like
an adapted biopic of him, like a fictional, fictionalized version
of his story. In many respects, that's incredible.

Speaker 8 (37:20):
Paul Thomas Anderson planned to have the restored Bowling Alley
used at the Climax located at the Greystone Mansion, to
be entirely painted in white to give some Kubricks.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
What did I tell you before that?

Speaker 8 (37:32):
I told you the end scene reminded me of Stanley Kubrick,
that symmetry and menacing quality. Also a now the clockwork orange,
which that is a weird movie if we.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Have recovered really weird clock.

Speaker 8 (37:45):
However, he changed it in its original state when it
was later decided that the Bowling Alley was to be
given away for ownership after filming. So but that if
they would have done that ending scene in the Bowling Alley,
if it was all white, I just would a visual
aloneould have been a little bit over the top.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, that would have been. It would have been everywhere.
Oh my gosh, it would have been. It would have
been more traumatical look at.

Speaker 8 (38:06):
For it would have been looking like Dexter in one
of those scenes where he's trying to do the blood
spec u.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah. Yeah, uh.

Speaker 8 (38:12):
Sir Daniel de Lewis improvised the speech he gives to
the citizens of Little Boston about building schools bringing bread
to the town, et cetera. Paul Thomas Anderson says of
this it was delicious. It was playing View on a platter,
so he he had libbed that entire speech.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Incredible, and that is one of the best speeches of
this movie. I mean, yeah, he's awesome. It's why he's
so well yep.

Speaker 8 (38:37):
In the summer of six during filming, a photographer took
an onset photograph of a man the photographer believed to
be Sir Daniel de Lewis, albeit with a great deal
of physical alterations. The photograph appeared used on various film
websites and in magazines as an example of how drastically
day Lewis had changed himself for the role. Upon viewing
the film and applying common sense, it turns out this

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person was not, in fact Daniel d Lewis. Rather, it
was actor Vince Freyo, who portrayed plain View's closest associate
at the end of the film. So it was Vincere awesome.
According to Paul Thomas Anderson, the director and crew were
pretty loose about where scenes would take place. This sometimes
meant filming scenes three or four different times in different

(39:19):
locations and evaluating the result of each one. So that's
something different too. Hey, we're gonna try this here, We're
gonna try this here, which one to be like better?

Speaker 3 (39:26):
We're gonna use that one and still doing it for
Monus for film budgets. But twenty five million dollars is
equally impressive as well, especially if for amount of practical
use of X and as well having to reshoot cost money,
and they use it very wisely. Incredible, incredible fishing performance.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
So this has the famous milkshake.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Quote.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
Yeah, yeah, So we talked about it being part of
the congressive congressive hearings for the Teapot Dome scandal in
the nineteen twenties. So according to Anderson quote, I think
it was Albert Fall who was asked to describe draining
before Congress, and the way of describing it was this,
if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake
and my straw reaches across the room. I'm sure I

(40:08):
embellished it and changed you it around and made a
more plain view. But fella uses the word milkshake, and
I thought it was so great. It was so mad
to see that word among all this official testimony and terminology.
It was a milkshake. Man, I get so happy every
time I hear that word. To go to Congress, like, yeah,
the milkshake.

Speaker 7 (40:26):
Yeah, you think of the milkshake. Sounds so innocent, the
thing you get to a small child. And then as
you can use describe basically, you know, oil stealing.

Speaker 8 (40:35):
All they would have to do is have Daniel plain
View roll up to the nearest McDonald's and say I
want a milkshake. And they would have said, sorry, sir,
our ice cream machine is down, and he would have
flipped out and burned.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
You would have taken over McDonald's and burned to the ground,
just in spite, just in spite of that one day.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
How come those things are never working? Have you noticed
that it's a right to repair things?

Speaker 8 (40:56):
Yeah, job security.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
Paul Thomas Anderson to on Entertainment Weekly magazine that the
fake oil used throughout the movie included the stuff they
put in chocolate milkshakes at McDonald's.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
I didn't even see that. We just mad. I am
on a roll today. We got it, you got it.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
Connecting the Dots, a little known band in Manchester, UK
has adopted the name of Eli and the Third Revelation
and homage to the film. Won't you look up a
song of Eli and the Third Revelation and we'll play
a little snippe and see how they sound. Just pick
some random crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Just watched some like the most like foul foul Mouth.

Speaker 8 (41:34):
Or something like I'll burn your house to the ground
and beat your head in with the bowling pin and
stuff like Eli and the Third Revelation. Okay, the Third Revelation,
pulling it up Revelation.

Speaker 7 (41:50):
It just pulls up scenes from from It just pulls
up scenes from There will be blood, doesn't shely pull
up the songs? Oh really No, Yeah, it's just it's
just clips in the movie. And I'll so from Milk
Your Solid to Phantom Pain. I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Okay, I'll see why. I can find the songs here
in a minute, Okay.

Speaker 8 (42:07):
Along with his winning in nineteen eighty nine, so Daniel
day Lewis became the only the eighth actor to win
the Academy Award for Best Actor twice. Kyle, what's that
bo He's only the eighth actor to win the Academy
Award for Best Actor twice. Can you give me any
of the other eight?

Speaker 7 (42:24):
Well, I know it's not Leonard Dicapriom twice twice, twice ice,
who get it twice?

Speaker 8 (42:34):
I'll say this one because you're not going to get
this one. Frederick March for nineteen thirty two and nineteen
forty six.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh right, Yeah, it has to be like older actors
for sure. No, that's pretty well.

Speaker 8 (42:44):
They're probably there's two more, three more pretty older ones,
so you're not gonna get them, saying Jack Nicholson nineteen
seventy five and nineteen ninety seven, Marlon Brando nineteen fifty
four nineteen seventy two, Gary Cooper from nineteen forty one
in nineteen fifty two, Tom Hanks ninety three and ninety four,
So he want them back to back. Dawston Dustin Hoffman

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for nineteen seventy nine and eighty eight, Spencer Tracy nineteen
thirty seven and nineteen thirty eight, and y s. The
ninth member that finally got inducted was Sean Penn from
two thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
In two thousand and eight.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
Sean Penn, Wow, I know Sean was that as didn't.
I don't watch me Sean Benn films, right, Yeah, I'm
trying to find eline at third Revelation.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I every time I Joe to to search it, I.

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Get Eli in the Thirteenth Confession, which is a different
band I believe, And every time I look up a
line and Third Revelation, I get a bunch of songs
that I don't think are actually from that band.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Well, I said it was a little can you can
you like google.

Speaker 8 (43:45):
Manchester UK band Eli and the Third Revelation and see
if it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I can get there? Yeah, Manchester UK ban.

Speaker 8 (43:52):
Every Wednesday night during editing, Paul Thomas Anderson the company
would have just steak and straight vodka for dinner to
keep in the mentality of Daniel playing.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
Views steak and Lockett, steak and vodget Wow, that's an
interesting combo right there.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I don't think I would go for steak and vodka
no Kyle.

Speaker 8 (44:09):
As of twenty twelve, with a seventy six million dollars
worldwide gross more than three times its budget, this is
the most profitable film Paul Thomas Anderson has made.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
That's not saying I mean, it's really like, that's surprising
because you know, first highly regarded as these films are,
there will be Blood being the most successful. Surprising because
it's it's really good. But see time, I would thought
the other films would still make even more money, or
games in New York, especially for the scale of that
film would make more money.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
But that's rising interesting cool.

Speaker 8 (44:41):
The opening shot with a vast mountains and foreboding scorer
surging over them is reminiscent of the opening shots of
Stanley Kubruck's The Shining.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
I think I might have it.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
Oh maybe it's because it says Eli young Band and
has a song called Revelations.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
This could be it. Find out. Ah No, he like
young Man, that's not it. That' y I'll give up,
Get up here you go.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
Kyle Phillip Seymour Hoffman was the original actor in mind
when Paul Thomas Anderson wrote the role of H. M. Tilford,
but Anderson decided to cast someone else as a means
of distancing himself from his past works and have a
sort of rebirth in his career without any loosens connecting
him to the other more lighthearted films such as Boogie
Knights or Punch Drunk Love. Hoffman was also busy filming

(45:32):
Syndicate New York at the time Tilford scenes were being
shot anyway, so Quentin Tarantino said his relationship with Paul
Thomas Anderson was my most cherished relationship that I have
with another filmmaker, and compared it to the relationship between
Marlon Brando and Montgomery Cliff. Brando was better because Montgomery

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Cliff existed, and Montgomery Cliff was better because Marlon Brando existed.
As such, this film inspired Tarantino to be better.

Speaker 7 (46:00):
Actually found a video on YouTube pecifically about you know,
Quin Tarantino talking about this film and how he felt
challenged by it in the best way possible. I feel
like he he became a better filmmaker directly because their
weely Blood got made.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
And I found that very fascinating.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
That was one of the first things I do try
and look up some kind of a critical appreciation for
films when I do podcasts, especially if there will be blood.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
There was lots to choose from, and.

Speaker 7 (46:19):
I was surprised to see Quin Tarantino basically like you know,
Paul Thomas Anderson is basically like a like a duality
in his life, where like he recognizes him as like
the ultimate challenge to his career to make better films.
So very interesting comparison, right, there. I wouldn't have expected
that from Quinen Tarantino, but there it is.

Speaker 8 (46:33):
The script originally ended with plain View bludgeting Eli to
death with a tumbler instead of a bowling pin, and
then throwing his body threw the bowling pins into the
cellar beyond. Once On said it was changed to the
slightly less graphic version seen in the film.

Speaker 7 (46:49):
Yeah, no, I think that the kind of the the
the less viscual the violence is. I think it actually
stands out even more in the film because it feels
more real, it feels more downplayed and more terrifying those aspects.
So I think it actually it plays the film even
better because it doesn't, you know, go over the top.

Speaker 8 (47:07):
According to a two thousand and seven interview with Paul
Daniel on the NPR show Fresh Air with Terry Gross,
So if you want to listen Fresh Air with Terry Gross,
if it's still on the scene where plain View is
baptized by Eli, where Eli slaps him several times was
shot the day after the scene in which Plainview threatens
to bury Eli and slaps him around. So he's getting
a little bit of revenge there there.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, today, I get you.

Speaker 7 (47:27):
Next day, I get next guy. Yeah, so I imagine
that kind of played well for the actors.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
Russell Harvard, who plays the deaf adult HW plain view
at the end of the film is actually death. Oh cool,
So that was pretty cool. Not cool that he's deaf. Yeah,
Sir Daniel day Lewis appears in every scene of this film,
with three minor exceptions. He is not president in the
scene where Eli Sunday still covered him, beerates his father

(47:53):
the church sermon, and then the brief mondage of HW
and Mary Sunday leading up to their marriage. So stole
the screen time, yeah, for sure. And last, but not least,
Daniel's warnings to HW that he's making a great mistake
by moving to Mexico to begin his own oil company
would prove to be prescient. Only ten years later, Mexican
oil production would be nationalized. So he may be crazy,

(48:17):
but he knew what he was talking about.

Speaker 7 (48:18):
Yeah, no, curly business savvy like he was right about
everything too, but as being you know, as cold and
ruthless as he is.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
And it's no surprise, all right, Kyle, the time has
come to judge, CALLI.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Judge Kaylee Hayley Caylee.

Speaker 8 (48:34):
We'll say Callie, so that way she's not embarrassed. All right, Kaylee,
I'll go first on this, and I'll let Kyle collect
his thoughts because he likes to play off what I
say anyways.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Always yeah, I'll go first.

Speaker 8 (48:46):
This is my first time watching it. It is beautifully shot.
That that scene where the oil rig blows and his
son goes ends up being deaf or whatever fascinating. It
is such a beautiful shot of summons. That whole thing
had you on the edge of the sea. You got

(49:07):
oil going everywhere. The Daniel Day Lewis's performance top notch.
I mean, this guy is an actor among actors. I mean, wow,
the kid played a really good role too, especially when
he went deaf he couldn't hear, you know, and just

(49:27):
his father.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Breatnme and like you will hear. You know. He's bringing
all these actors and all that.

Speaker 8 (49:35):
Then what really tugs at your heart strings is at
the end of this movie when his son is grown up,
he's getting married and he's gonna move to Mexico. And
Daniel da Lewis is an old, decrepit old man and
he sat behind his desk, still concerned about his money.
And here's where he says, you know, the deaf guy
is like, hey, you know you're my father. He says,
you know what he said, you were never my son.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (49:58):
He had just taken the guy because he needed somebody
to them to have pity on him, to sell them
their land. And you see that, and the sun is
just crushed, devastated, crushed, and he's like, you were never
nothing to me. All you were was like a tool,
you know, to And I was like, man.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
More appealing.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
Yeah, and this guy, man, you were just like wow,
this is very man. It's so wrong. And it just
shows you the link that Daniel Plainview would go to
get what he wants or to get a deal or whatever.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Money is the only matters to him, money and empire.

Speaker 8 (50:38):
So let's talk about where I'm going to rate this
for all the things I said outstanding. The problem I
have with.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
This is.

Speaker 8 (50:49):
It's like we talked earlier, it just makes you uncomfortable
watching this movie, how terrible human being can be at times.
I mean, you have him basically, this guy comes to
pretend to be his brother, what you find out is
not his brother yea, And he kills him at the
campsite and then he just sits there and eats you know,

(51:12):
it takes a napp.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Then you have him doing that to his.

Speaker 8 (51:15):
Son, and then the the whole conflict he has with
the pastor Tom.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Yeah, he's manipulation. Oh man, always claiming to be a
good Christian man. Yeah, never truly, you know, doesn't care
at all.

Speaker 8 (51:29):
No, and he just did that, you know, we went
down and get baptized or whatever, you know, and he
gets slept around and I think the Preacher guy about
this Plano's character's name, Oh yeah, Eli, you see him,
and the whole struggle. It's like the whole struggle between
good and evil the entire movie. But to come to
find out Eli was not much better then they were

(51:51):
kind of the same person.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Two men trapped in There are ways of getting power, right.

Speaker 8 (51:56):
Yeah, So for me, this movie is impressive. It captures
your attention. And yes, I'm not gonna give her her
second strike because I don't think it was that bad.
I think it's actually a good movie. Yeah, it's very

(52:18):
it's a time piece, if you will. But the historical
significance of this movie and the way that Daniel day
Lewis portrays that character draws you in. You end up
hating him, but you also pity, You feel sorrow, and
you feel pity for this guy because he ended up
dying alone. Well, I say, dying alone, you don't really

(52:39):
know what's gonna happen. But he ends up losing his
mind basically the entire thing that he wanted to build,
the empire that he built, he built one of the
greatest empires there is. And yet he's all alone.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
He's all alone, and also like he has nothing of
true value in his life at all.

Speaker 7 (52:52):
There's no values in them, there's no love, there's no kindness,
there's nothing in his life that feels any kind of
warmth at all. It's all a cold, ruthless empire of
constant expansion that it serves.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Nothing.

Speaker 7 (53:04):
He is, you know, is a It is a manned,
avoidable heart and soul. In every aspect of his entire
life and his existence, he is nothing of a person.
It's a true vacuum of humanity, as Daniel Plainview character.
And I think that's utterly fascinating in his depiction. And
and it's a terrifying kind of like revelation, like how

(53:24):
many people in the world exist like Daniel plain View,
where they exist purely for the expansion of capital and
gaining money and making a number go up and nothing else.
You know, he has no love for his for his
adoptive son, h w. He can't accept him when he
gets some disabled. He can't accept his son for who
he is.

Speaker 8 (53:43):
And he interrupted his business ideas.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
His business ideas, and yeah, it didn't it no longer
served him to use him as a as a tool
for you know, selling his product and as well as
his manipulations of the church and other people. Like he
was ruthless in his way that he just uses other
people's beliefs and ideas to further his own goals in
every aspect, completely without any.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Kind of you know, shame.

Speaker 7 (54:07):
It is disgusting, you know, Daniel Plainview is a disgusting
person in every aspect of his life. And uh, it's
you know, yeah, and it's it's it's it's sad how
pathetic he is.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
And it's also.

Speaker 7 (54:18):
It's it's unnerving how like you know, he wouldn't offer
that to anyone.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
He wouldn't offer that to you or me.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
You know, Daniel plain View as a character, as a person,
you know, he lacks the ability of empathy, you know,
And there's no way. There's he never woke up and
felt bad about his son. I don't think you know,
he felt bad that it had his son affected his career.

Speaker 8 (54:35):
Well, especially there's the scene where he sends his son off.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
To the school for like a two years.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Ag.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yeah, yeah, just to get him out of there, just
to get him out of his way. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (54:45):
And then when it becomes financially beneficial for him to
bring him back to you know, basically you know, continue
to you know, sell to the religious He has a
little bit of a cult, heized kind of cult, almost fanaticism,
kind of religous church. He brings his son back to
kind of remedy the situation to degree try and look
like a good father again, and it kind of utterly
fails for him, you know, sucks.

Speaker 8 (55:10):
So if i'm if I'm if I'm rating this and
it was my first time watching it.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Shock value.

Speaker 8 (55:17):
A good movie gets you in your emotions and you
feel makes you feel a certain way, like I hate
this guy or I feel sorry for this guy. So
for that, I am going need to give this movie
a eight point five out of the ten. I think
it's it's definitely worth a watch. There is some language
in it, and then there is a little bit of violence,

(55:38):
especially towards the end, and the only thing that I'm
going to ding get on is the ending. Just it
just stops, and you'd like, there is no justice. This
guy didn't get what he deserved, but in a way,
he did get bloody deserved because basically one of the
only people I would ever talk to him was Eli
and it was his sworn enemy. If you think about

(55:59):
it and out that he's killed him, who's he really
going to talk?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
It?

Speaker 7 (56:02):
Is the end of the story because yeah, because he
no longer has anyone to bounce off of. He's utterly
alone after the death of you, LII.

Speaker 8 (56:08):
Right, Yeah, So Kyle, I'm giving it an eight point five.
Were you sitting on it, Jimbo?

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I think?

Speaker 7 (56:15):
I h I agree with you and I we talked
about it before we before the podcast used to me
how I feel, But the film is just like I
felt awful watching the film, which I truly did that
This film makes my skin crawl when I watch it,
by the cinematography and by the soundtrack. The cinematography just
makes me uneasy, and the soundtrack adds to it even
further exponentially.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
They combined together, they're multiplication of each other.

Speaker 7 (56:37):
Where I feel incredibly uncomfortable watching this film every time
I ever, each time I've seen it, you know, the
first time I saw it, and this time, like I would,
I had to stop.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I had to stop it several times.

Speaker 7 (56:49):
And I started just in a few minutes in just
the awkward scenes of him going the silver mind trying
to get silver.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
And then then uh, and.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
Then later the scene where the guy died in the
oil rig with the you know, go through with the
and pipe. Just it just upsets me in a way
that is deeply unsettling for me. So this is a
film that's very difficult for me to watch, and I
never want to sit down and watch it again and
be honest, but that said, it is a dang near
kind of perfect film.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I think it does.

Speaker 7 (57:14):
That's exactly what it set out to do, and it
did it perfectly.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Well.

Speaker 7 (57:18):
It's kind of an amazing film that I can't help
but you know, kind of despise and love. So for me,
as a rating goes, I'm going to give it actually
a ten. I'm really going to give it a ten.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I think it's an amazing film in every aspect, well
worth any adult watching it at least once to kind
of get that feeling and to see that kind of
that that worldview, that kind of person, to see that
kind of character who is not really depicted in any
kind of media. Really, you didn't have to suck up
tour that hard style. He could have gave it a
nine to five and no, you gave it a perfect

(57:50):
fit perfect. I do ja it is. I see where
you're coming from. It's very close.

Speaker 8 (57:54):
It's a heavy movie. It really is a heavy movie,
but it tells the story.

Speaker 7 (57:58):
Well, absolutely grieve you. So I think it's Yeah, it's
a very strong movie. I think it's you know, it's
it's amazing. It's an amazing film. But same time, man,
I don't remember we sent down watch this again. I
feel upset by it. It's it's it's a film that's
difficult for me to watch, but I also love it.
I think it's kind of perfect. Right, So yeah, that's
where I stay with it.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
All right.

Speaker 8 (58:16):
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(58:40):
just like no shakes Jambo. Well you know what, cow,
my milkshake tastes better than yours. And with that being said,
this episode's coming to close and.

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Speaker 2 (59:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
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Speaker 8 (01:00:30):
All right, Kyle, let's over. Put your shirt back on