June 4, 2025 • 38 mins
Jimbo and Kyle review Jimbo's favorite Wes Craven film, The People Under the Stairs! Enjoy!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
On light Shingle with job say flights eighty three, Lights
in the Realm? Can white movies and TV fool through
the stories we all know soap screen tells on fool in.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Magic say the stun.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Sit them U very simmer joy if we tell stud
that tells me alcome.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
In every neighborhood there is one house that adults whisper
about and children across the street to avoid. Now Wes Craven,
creator of a Nightmare on Elm Street, takes you inside.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Something's in here.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
We gotta get out of here, Leeboy.
Speaker 7 (01:53):
All sorts of memories about what goes on in that house.
The police never.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
Took it serious. Eating that between the walls again.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Very very tense about this. What goes on in this
house is a sin, but what goes on under the
stairs is a nightmare. Wes Cravens The People under the Stairs.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of centa podcast.
I'm your host, Jimbo. I'm your co host Kyle Kyle.
Today we'll be doing a movie that I picked out.
It is Wes Craven's The People under the Stairs. Kyle,
before we get started, got a question as usual, Kyle,
have you ever been fed between the walls or under
the stair? No, I'm kidding. As a matter of fact,
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no breakfast. Yeah, you should have seen the waitress of
Denny's when I sh had to feed Kyle between the walls. No,
but this is obviously a Wes craven film. Very underrated,
I do believe. But Kyle, what is your favorite Wes
craven film? I know most people would say Scream or
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Namael on Elm Street. Yeah, you don't even know who
Wes Craven is.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
No, I know who Wes Craven is.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Do you want to look it up? So that way
you have.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
I'm probably gonna look up at the film. Let's just
make sure, but like, yeah, you're right, like Ma Reynolds,
you can probably be up there. And also well reyeld
Street real he's probably number one, But I'm gonna look
up as as other films just to be sure if
they might have a personal favorite there that I'm not
thinking of.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
Well, I remember seeing this movie when I was younger,
and it's one of those ones that kind of scared
me to think that this could be actually happening in
real life. That's what makes a scary movie that much
more scarier when it's something that could happen in real life.
Like what was that movie the Black Phone?
Speaker 8 (04:00):
The Black Phone?
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Did you ever watched the Black Phone?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Ever?
Speaker 7 (04:02):
Black Phone? Oh? Kyle?
Speaker 8 (04:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (04:05):
If you would like Kyle to watch any sort of
movies and not just buy them.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
No, I only buy movies. That's that's that's the goal.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
That's the Kyle Klek's movies, just to have not to
watch right exactly.
Speaker 8 (04:16):
Wow, he directed thirty one movies who you don't want
to choose as a favorite for my favorite West Curve
of movie.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
I know it's probably something stupid.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
It's gonna be something a little it's not shock or
don't worry, it's not Shocked. That's not a bad movie.
It's a bad movie. Let's be honest.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
Shot, you think The Shocker is a bad movie?
Speaker 8 (04:33):
Is a bad movie?
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Have you watched it?
Speaker 8 (04:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (04:35):
Are you sure?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Not?
Speaker 7 (04:36):
In twenty years? But I watched it.
Speaker 8 (04:39):
I'm gonna choose Red Eye Red Yeah. I was a
good movie. Yeah, it goes to a solid movie. Yeah,
so about you? Jimo? Was your fvoritet Corot movie? Oh?
Speaker 7 (04:48):
Obviously? The People Under the Stairs absolutely.
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Yeah, I understand that. Joy.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
This movie is really good.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
I really enjoy it.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
I mean, I mean, you can't go wrong with a
guy named Broach.
Speaker 8 (04:59):
The Yeah, I think rhymes is great. Yeah, yeah, I'm fool.
That's a great character names.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
And Leroy you gotta have Lee Roy. Let's do this right, Broach. Yeah,
good character names in this film, all right, Kyle take
away The People under the Stairs.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
Jim O. Yeah I got it wrong there. The trailer
said at all Wes Craven's The People Under The Stairs,
released on November one, nineteen ninety one, follow the story
of Fool. When Fool breaks into the home of a
family's landlord, he discovers that they have mutilated several boys
and kept them imprisoned under the stairs. As Fool tends
to flee, he meets their daughter, Alice. But can Fool
and Alice escape? Bump Bump Bull These stuff Buchet for
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the film well, directed by Wes Craven and written by
Wes Craven, Produced by Stuart M. Besser and Mariann Madalena
and Madalina Madelina Madelina, that's what we saying. Composer Don Peek,
cinematographer Sandy Sezzele, editor James Coblins, casting director Eileen mckknight,
and production designer Brian Jones. Budget for the film was
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six million dollars, very modest, I think for how well
this home actually turns out pretty well, like good modest
horror horror budget film making right there. Just for inflation,
that'd be about fourteen point one million dollars today. Opening weekend,
it grossed just a five point five million dollars, so
like a little worrying for opening weekend, but just for inflation
is thirteen million dollars. But then gross for US in
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Canada that came out to twenty four point two million dollars,
and just for inflation that'd be about fifty seven million.
And then gross worldwide or made even better money. It
made a thirty one point three million dollars. Just for inflation,
that made about seventy three point eight million dollars. This movie,
it looks like it was successful overall, in modest success
at the very least, if not a good success overall.
It's give them all that. Moving on here'n'na shavings up
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a little bit. I'm not justly gonna start going to
the cast directly now. So for the cast, we have
the first character, first main actor, Brandon Quintin Adams playing
the care role of fool Hey, fool Hey, fool YEAHO.
Brandon Quintin Adams also known for a mini role, especially
as Standlot in nineteen ninety three, The Money Ducks in
ninet ninety two and the film Ghosts in the Machine.
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Next time, we have Everitt McGill playing the role of man.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
How good was the man and woman in this Everet
McGill was yeah, was uh and the woman was even better.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
Oh yeah one, Yeah, I agree that one was better.
I get here as well. But yeah, Evan McGill did
a fantastic job and just the whole last third actories
in the BDSM outfit running around for Shotgun is like,
this is crazy.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
I wonder if that's where American horror story got it for.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
I wouldn't be surprised at all. Right, definitely an inspiration
for sure. But yeah, this film, like it goes some
some strange places that I would not call for. I
gues said, this is probably one of the best movies
to watch when you have zero knowledge of it going in.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
So so clarify for the people. The man and the
woman they call each other was a mommy and daddy.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
Yeah, but their.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Brother and sister. Yep, that's the way out there.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
It's uh. They just there's no stone left unturned when
it comes to like creepy and weird in this film,
I think, right, So yeah, Van McGill plays a man.
Evan McGill was also in the show Twin Peaks from
nineteen eighty nine to nineteenninety one, and it was also
in the twenty seventeen reboot of the show, Oh reboot, Legacy,
Legacy add On add on the show, Yeah Yeah, And
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he was also in the movie My Ful Americans nineteen
ninety six and Wendy Robbie. Wendy Robbie was playing the
role of woman. A great, great performance, great performance of
just yeah of just manic, insane woman kind of like stereotyped,
so he plays in a lot of cliches, but in
the very like horrific way obviously.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Oh man, when she takes her and throws her on
the scolding water to watch the blood.
Speaker 8 (08:36):
Off, Yeah, just absolutely horrifying, wretched woman. It's it's amazing.
Great work on her part. Wendy was also was also
in twenty Peaks, the show and the twenties, and I
believe also in the twenty seventeen Legacy add On. She
was also in the film Where the World Is Mine
in two thousand and eight and The Dentist in the
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nineteen ninety six. Next up, we had A. J. Langer
playing the role of Alice. A. J. Langer was also
in the show My So Called Life from ninet ninety
four to ninety five, and she was in the film
Escape from La in nineteen ninety six. Then next up
we got big rhymes playing Regal ye league. Ryan's probably
big rhyme is probably easily most recognizable from his role
in Pulp Fiction nine ninety four, but also the Mission
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Impossible series from ninet ninety six to basically ongoing, well,
I say ongoing play the last movie this year in
twenty twenty five, and also the Leland and Stitch two
thousand and two animated movie there one of the one
of Disney's last two d animated films. Really oh really
yeah movie play. He played the the the U was
the family h counselor or whatever not in the family
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counselor but like the person who comes in to make
sure that that that uh lelo is in a stable
home like a welfare like a welfare check up kind
of person like that. He plays them, but also clearly
has some like CIA stuff going right too as well.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Are you gonna watch that live action?
Speaker 8 (09:55):
I might. I'll probably pick it up on Voodoo No
No Day and go at home now. Sorry, I'll probably
pick up eventually, but I don't know if I'll go
to say, in the theaters. But I've read some reviews
so like it's solid, so that could be cool. I
doubt I'll have some of them more like us, uh not,
because scene is a little more controversial now right aspects.
I enjoyed the animated feature quite a bit, and I
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still love that, so I love that regardless. But the
live action film might be just fine, so I might
watch up some time. Next up we got Sean Wellon
playing the role of Roach. Sean Wellen was also in
the in the movie That Thing You Do in ninth
ninety six, Twister ninth ninety six, and Employee of the
Month in two thousand and six. Next up we got
Bill Cobbs playing Grandpa Booker. Bill Cobbs is also in
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the film Demolition Man nine ninety three, New Jack City
nine ninety one, and Night of the Museum in two
thousand and six. Then next up here we got Jeremy
Roberts playing Spencer. Jeremy Robins was also in the film
Star Trek sixth The Undiscovered Country n ninety one. Then
we have Connie Marie Braselton playing the role of Mary.
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Connie was also in the film Tiny Beautiful Things and
twenty twenty three. Then we got Josh Cox playing the
role of a young cop. Josh Cox was also in
the film A Strong Medicine the year two thousand. Then
we have John Hastutter playing the role of veteran cop.
John Hestutter was also in the film Heartbreak Ridge in
nine eighty six. And then finally we have John Mahone
playing police sergeant. John Mahoons was also in the film
Armageddon nineteen ninety feet and that guy pretty much includes
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most of the other actors in this film. Is also
like a social worker at a cop stairmasher and stay
and stare persons for kind of like the zombies. For
the dogs, Aushi mention quick because he actually had at
least four dogs on this film. They had Brutus, Bubba, Schultz,
and Zeke and I believe this is their only film
they've all appeared in. But they had four dogs total
for the role. Yeah, that I could see here in
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the cast list. And that concludes the cast of the
people under the Stairs. So moving on to some other.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Well, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
Yeah, Joell asked me a question.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
You said zombies.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
Well, did they say zombies?
Speaker 7 (11:52):
You said zombies. I did say zombies, and I don't
think they were zombies.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
No, they're not zombies. They're just mutilated people.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Well, I don't even know if they're mutile. They're just
sheltered from the sun. Oh they've been mutil they've been.
They've been they've been fed humans. So I didn't say
they were cannibals, but I wouldn't say they were zombies.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Yeah, zombies. They're just really really mistreated, malnursed and possibly mutilated.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
Oh well, at least one of me, like the boy.
Speaker 8 (12:15):
So I'm assuming all the other people in that house
probably also got stuff happened to him. Like I said,
no Ctern lift un't turned for this film. Yeah, we've
got some other details that we have the awards for
the film for the nineteen and ninety three Academy of
Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films Awards. We have a
Saturn Award nomination for Best Formance by a Younger Actor.
I'm assuming that's for Brandon Quinn Adams, but got caught
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by the printer there. We also got a nomination for
Best Director for Wes Craven, and we have a win
for the Special Jury Award to Wes Craven. Next time.
We have the nineteen ninety two Brussels International Festival of
Fantasy Film Awards where we have a win for the
Biggest Audience Award to Wes Craven and for the nineteen
ninety one Fangoria chainsaw Awards. We have a bunch of
nominations here. We have a nomination for Best Sporting Actress
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Lane Jerry Langer, Best Makeup FX to K and b
EFX Group, Best Actor to Everett McGill, Best Studio, Best
Budget Film nomination and Best Screenplay in adotation for Wes
Craven and Best Actress nomination for Wendy Robbie. Technical details
of the film. This film has run time of one
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hundred and two minutes. Sound mix is in double stereo
West Trex recording system. This is a color film. Aspect
ratio is one point a five by one. Camera used
was the AIRFX thirty five BL three and that includes
the process was DIGITALMEDID for a four K twenty twenty
three remaster, which is the remaster I watched for this
this proadcast and I believe that concludes technical details of
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the film. Now we can move on to the trivia
Jimbo take away from me?
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Do you think this would have worked as a black
and white film?
Speaker 8 (13:49):
I thought we're ben asking jeneral, like do you think now,
but as a black and white film, yeah, probably would
have worked really really well. I think it's been really cool.
Then I would have definitely called them zombies because.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Well at that point, oh man, so a little bit.
There's not a lot of trivia. I really really enjoyed
this movie, and we'll get to why towards the end.
But Wes Craven was actually inspired to write this film
after reading a real life news story about burglars breaking
into a house. When the authorities arrived, however, the burglars
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had disappeared, but they discovered locked doors with noises coming
from behind. Children had been locked up inside their rooms
by their parents, never allowed to go outside. Oh my gosh,
you imagine never seeing the light of day ever.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
It's horrifying. Yeah, you hear about cases like that, like
every almost every few months, every for years. You hear
about a story about like a family that just locked
away one of their children.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Well, there was that lady I think in Ohio that
what is abducted and then you know he had her
locked up and got her pregnant and was raising her
and her daughter like in the basement. They finally escaped
and I'm like, I.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Want to say, early last week I just heard like
a like about a child being kept in a kennel
cage for like like nineteen years in their home just
absolutely like yeah, only be taken out to be abused,
you know, in absolutely core horrific conditions. This messed up
and oh it's really yeah, like everyone's gonna lose all
faith humanity right there. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
So Wes Craven shows Wendy Robbie and Everett McGill to
play the parts of mommy and daddy after seeing them
play husband and wife on the TV series Twin Peaks.
So they were husband and wife brother jeez, Louise.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
They work well together, clearly I agree.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
I wonder if they have like a pact where, hey,
if you get this role, I will be your spouse.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
You always gotta nominate me or something that's right, you know,
always root for the other one, you know, good friendship, teamwork.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
There.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
The coin that full pulls out of Spencer's hand is real.
It is known as an American Gold Eagle and contains
one ounce of twenty two carrot gold. Oh cool, Kyle
in nineteen ninety one. How much do you think it
was worth approximately one ounce.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Gosh, I don't even know what it one ounces for
now for gold gold value wise, I'm gonna say forty dollars.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Seven hundred and eight dollars dollars for that one.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
I was right on the spot. Yeah, every goajibo. Hey,
I didn't go over, so my price is right rules
I'm still right.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Shortly before his death, Wes Craven was developing a television
show version of this film on the Sci Fi Channel.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Television version of the show, I think this is.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
A prime candidate for a remake, prime candidate, oh, primeman.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
For a remake. For sure. It's a great horror concept
for absolutely. I can definitely see like something like that
happening now. In general, though, horror TV shows, I just
I never really care for even streaming shows. I'm got
a little more skeptical about. But uh, I guess in
the streaming era could work. But for like modern like
ninety for nineties, early two thousands, you can't have a
good horror TV show because you can't cautch commercials, right,
So it's all about timing.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
So Hillary Swank, you know who Hillary Swank is. She's
an actress man wherever I hope so, but she all
auditioned for the role of Roach. Roach was originally written
to be either a male or a female.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Huh.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yeah, but I think they went with the male version
because they had Alice in the house.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Yeah, I imagine they would have shot a lot of
those scenes a little bit differently if Roach had been
in that kind of situation as a female character. But yeah,
I could see it happening, for sure. I definitely imagine
how that role could be tinder squap and still basically
serving exacting bunching thing.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Right.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Wendy Robbie, who played a woman, credits this movie as
the most fun she's ever had on a film set
and one of her favorite projects she's ever done.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
It's definitely an incredibly exaggerated role for sure, Like she
goes over the top, like she's almost like both both
men and women are basically kind of cartoon characters of
evil in many ways, you know, like they're they're so
over the top, just NonStop, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
I mean, but I mean just watching her, like she
was tossing around Alice and when she puts her in
the hot water, clearly just having a ball, and she
has that knife at the end and it's just like
I saw a little bit of my mind flash to
Norman Baits from Psycho. I mean, it's just really well done.
I can't praise her enough for her role in this film.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
Yeah yeah, but like not saying like bad about her acting.
But there's like almost like a shine of like pure
joy behind her eyes. Everything she's in this is just
like I love. She's somebody that makes you want paid
to do this. Oh my god, she's somebody that makes
you want to hate her. Oh yeah, really, she's great.
She's great. But she clearly knows exactly the role she
was playing in this film and leaned as far as
she possibly could into it and really shows off.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Well.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
You'll like her even more after this next fractyle. Okay, So,
during the scene in which the woman feeds Spencer's sliced
hand to her the dog Prince, you remember this where
she tosses the hand. Yeah, a fake edible hand covered
and a red sauce was used for the dog. While
the dog was chewing and eating up the hand, Robbie
noticed a wire in the dog's mouth and then reached
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into the dog's mouth with her bare fingers and managed
to pull out the wire much to the cruise, including
the director's shock.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Oh my gosh, that's terrif.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
I mean a Rottweiler? Is that dog? Look mean?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:55):
To stick your hand in there while they're posing dogs
possible and then pulling a wire out of his mouth?
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Oh my yeah, you ever try to you try to
pull a bone away from my dog? It's not a
good side.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen dogs of all shrive, being
good and bad. I'm not out the front, but still like, yeah,
I would be nervous about a dog I didn't know
trying to return in his mouth. That's that's crazy. So
good on hurt that she didn't get hurt. Kyle roach Uh.
The actor Sean Whalan, he was fifteen or sixteen year
old boy in the film. How old do you think
he was in real life? I'm going to say, I'm
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going to guess twenty six.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
On the dot. Twenty six years old. Wow, I am shocked.
You actually got something right. I brove the clock right
right by right day. The film earned back at six
million budget within a few days of its theatrical release.
That's great. At about one hour and thirty minutes in Ruby,
who was full sister shouts where did that crazy Heffer go?
(19:49):
In the background A J. Langer who was Alice? Can
we see breaking character and smiling? So I love it
when they leave stuff a little like Yeah, the car
that the man and woman drive is a nineteen fifty
eight Cadillac Fleetwood seventy five. There's talk of possibly doing
a remake of this film at one point by Wes Craven,
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and as of twenty twenty three, they're still talking about
a remake, so it's still on the table.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
I could definitely see it happening. It's kind of a
timeless concept for the most part, so.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
And with the updated effects they could do be really great.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I'm curious if they would lean into like a different
kind of like Superbia now, like a more modern suburbia,
because like this one kind of leans into like this
is a film the nineties lean into the fifties. I
wonder if they'd have a similar thing where, like, you know,
they're kind of like it's a film current times of
twenty twenty, but also leans into like the eighties kind
of look of what modern families look like back then.
It's something crazy like that.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
The beginning, I think this film looked like it was
in the fifties.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
No, I mean, like the family pacifically, the man and woman,
they almost need into like a nineteen fifties kind.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Of character, like Honey, I'm home.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Yeah, that kind of idea of how they dressed and
looked outside, you know, in like modern day society. I
think that was the idea of what they had. Might
they drive a car from the fifties as well, It's
because they're trying to like eximplify this nineteen fifties Americana
kind of Look. I think it's the idea.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Well, let's not forget the racial undertones of the movie. Yeah,
makes sense, right, it makes sense, you know, being in fifties.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yeah kind of mindset. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
So, if fun were to take into the account the
skin condition of Roach compared to the other boys, he
was in the basement for the least amount of time,
possibly being the last of the kids that I've been
thrown in there to rot when he escaped into the walls,
because the ones that have been down there will they've
all got really peale skin, long hair. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
I guess I never really got a solid grasp of
the timeline of this film, but I guess, like the
ideas of those, like, you know, the the older kids
in there had been down there for you know, you know,
the better part of a decade probably were his Roach
had been there for.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
They said he escaped, Remember when they got mad at
him Roach.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, because he escaped, got mad, and
so he's probably been there, what a few months maybe maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
These guys own little setup back there with Christmas lights
and everything. So he's got a TV.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Oh yeah, so yeah, a real set of going like
pretty good.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
So, Kyle, this house is located just one mile, which
is a twenty mile walk, probably from the Epps family
home in Numbers. In two thousand and five, the house
interiors were also used for filming rob Zombies Halloween. In
two thousand and seven, the House of Mommy and Daddy,
which had assigned the Red Robinson Funeral Home out front,
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was filmed only three and a half miles from the
body Shop at Mister Monk and the paper Boy. In
two thousand and four, there was a February fourth, nineteen
ninety nine Los Angeles Times article about the house entitled
points of Pride about how Butterfly McQueen Do you know
who Butterfly McQueen? Was Kyle no idea. She was the
maid from Gone with the Wind in nineteen thirty nine.
(22:39):
Oh wow, she owned and lived in the house where
this was filmed. She was still alive at the time
of this film's release. That's really cool, really cool. Yeah,
a lot of classical eleggsuff going on there, right, So Kyle,
talk about the movie. What do you like? You don't like?
Way you raining it?
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Oh yeah, ye, there's very little like don't like about
this whole film. Actually, overall, I would say it kept
my interesting entire time. I really enjoyed it quite a bit.
And you know, I guess digging into like the racial
undertones a little bit too, Like it kind of goes
like I think everything that kind of goes into a
commentary of like how little people like, how little authority
figures look into like the idea of like ideal domestic
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society kind of like, Yeah, She's like, would you like
a family, would you like crime happens here at all?
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Would you like another doughnut or coffee sugar for your coffee?
Speaker 8 (23:27):
Exactly?
Speaker 7 (23:28):
So then she closed, She's like, I hope I've never
seen another cop for the rest of my life.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
Yeah, definitely, She's so funny in this movie is great. Yeah,
And then of course, you know, I don't think they
really showed scenes with the boy or like the other
people in the neighborhood of the Fools neighborhood being immediately
like kind of like uh uh being uh not interrogated,
but like being mistreated by police in that neighborhood necessarily.
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But I think that was kind of like a bit
of a racial commentary going on there for sure, especial
for the nineties especially definitely going on there, and also
the idea of racial quality going on there for sure
an entire film, like the everyone in that neighborhood, it
was predominantly in the minority group of either being probably
black or mixing or something like that, and having you know,
been being uh basically taking basic control, basically controlled by
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this white up middle class family who was you know,
robbing them blind.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Right, and they were gonna they were gonna sell the
they were gonna kick them out of the building they
were in, and do you remember what they were gonna
put in there?
Speaker 8 (24:26):
They were really gonna put like a like a basically
like a giant hotel or something like that, or like
a mini mall or something like that like a mall
or something. Do you remember what they said?
Speaker 7 (24:34):
I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was something.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
Where somebody wanted that would take a lot of real estate.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
They wanted to kick them out because they wanted to
basically upgrade their neighborhood, if you will, because it does
take place in court of like I don't want to
say the term ghetto, but it's kind of like in
a rough side of town. Yeah. And the way that
they just were, they find all the money that they've
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been hoarding, I mean millions, probably millions of dollars.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Yeah, and a pointless hord too, just like like it's
a hoard for nothing. They're not spending on anything. It's
just like there's a massing wealth the sake of a
massing wealth. And that's the addiction of money for sure.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
And you know you see that house, because that house
is booby trapped with dynamite spikes coming out of the walls,
slide doors.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Probably has a very hobby Ashley, right, I.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Was, And you know he just the guy has the guns.
He just keeps shooting. How do you not hear that stuff?
And then you have like locks and barbed windows and
I got the metal doors and all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
Yeah, I definitely I got the impression that that entire
neighborhood had to be abandoned besides their one house they
had there. It has to be that was I think
the idea is just like, you know, everyone's being bought
out and like thrown out except that one house still
left there where.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Well they might own all the other houses. But I
don't know about if that's true, because if you remember, she's.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Like, you can't shoot out there, don't shoot you going outside.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
You know better, you're gonna they're gonna hear you. But
I mean, just think they're so evil that when full
does get up to the attic and jumps off into
the water and he goes back, he said, I promised
Alice I would go back. So he comes back, you know,
he sneaks inside and he finds Alice. She's chained up
in the basement on like a chimney. Thing comes down
the chimney. They get back up to the addict and
they go to jump off with He's like, come on,
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we could jump back in the door. She said, no,
said after you escape, they said they drained it and
they filled it with broken glass.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
And yeah the very next day too, right, just immediately.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
It might even have been the same night. I mean
it was crazy the way how fast this this movie moves.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, meno when we're like they they work. They
were on top of the Torture Family list of just.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Like, but how much money? I mean, how much money
would that cost to you know, booby trap the house
like that?
Speaker 8 (26:39):
I mean, oh, you know, like like not the secret
cost is astronomical, but just getting done at all?
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Question that broach has been in the wall? Why didn't
you just tear that You've already shot holes to the wall.
Why didn't you just tear a little piece down and
start walking behind there?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I know.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
Yeah, that's the only flaw I had with this movie.
Is you idiot?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Yeah you're shooting willing to shoot holes in your home,
but you can't just like demoishal wall and through it. Yeah,
you know, like you've already ruined the wall. You might
as well just walk through to price it.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
You know.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
That's the only doubt fault for this movie is like
you idiot? I mean maybe is that stupid?
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Yeah? Yeah, well it's like the you know, this movie
is like a little more fantasy more and more on
the fantasy side of like kind of like I I
see this film as a little more of a children's
horror film just in general, both a child protagonist and
also the fact that like they are so like almost
cartoonishly evil, the fact, the fact, despite the fact that
it does get extremely violent with gorns like that too.
But I almost do view this as like this is
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supposed to be like a hard movie intended for a
younger audience, because like it's so over the top and
also doesn't make a lot of sense, any sense in situations.
It's like the feasibility of like a real family doing
this very like, yeah, people do get locked in their
houses for nineteen years, the kids do that, than to
have these people all the time, but like the idea
of this, you know, this insanely complicated torture house full
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of dozens of people, No.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Really, you know.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
So it's really kind of over the top in that sense.
But I still really appreciate it on that level too.
So yeah, but this film is like overall, it's an
excellent film, probably one of Wes Craven's best. I agree
there definitely like a easy top five for me and
include that with like ninem Our, Elmistreet and Scream being
up there, and then also like I'm I like Right
Eye a lot. I thought that was a good movie,
so like, you know, definitely like I'll put in the
top five up there. If I had to go to
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rating though, I'd probably give it a rating of probably
seven out of ten probably around there, like really really good,
if not great, Well, we're seeming if you're a horror
fan in general, especially if you're a Wes Craven fan
in all, then it's definitely like, well, like it's up there,
We're like, you've got to see this film because it's
a great standalone feature too, and it's great. It's not
like a film that has like twenty sequels or something
like that too. It's good like you can just watch
this and be done with it and then like hope
maybe a remake comes out and then five years might
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that be cool. But it's a great little standalone feature
like that. So I really appreciate this film. Jimbo, let's
talk about this some of your takes on the film too.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Well. I like the characters, the characters development. They developed
them in a way where you care about the characters,
you care what happened to Alice. You cared what happened
to Fool. He cared what happened to Fool's family. His
mother's dying, she needs to get to a hospital to have.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
A plight a Fool's old thing. It's like, I absolutely understand.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
But the story, the story that they put full in
is he's gonna do what he has to do to
take care of his mom. And I think that really
drew me into.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
And even like the the less less good, like Big
Rhyme's Leroy, I don't think like I don't see him
as a particularly evil person, even though like he does
pretty evil things obviously, like trying to get a kid
to do his dairy work essentially and also rob the
family Landward's house, But still like he's in a he's
in a robin Hood like scenario. We're trying to you know,
trying to with.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
Then again, you don't see Fool's dad either, so he
may be trying to do like the father figure to
Fool too.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
Yes, and and that you know, despite how like not
good he is, he still is probably the best male
role model that Fool has initially in his life right there,
So like he's taking on some responsibility for that family
that may not be his or maybe canybe his, you know,
but still even like the big Rhymes's character, Like, I
don't view as like totally like evil as much as
definitely a few you know, man women as being incredibly evil. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Yeah, I think man and woman they both did as
such a you can see their chemistry on screen where
they've probably worked together, you know, I mean several times
or even after this. Maybe that's why they got the
roles in the future because their chemistry from this movie
was so good. She plays that lady so perfect. She
kind of reminds me of the lady that was in
Mommy Dearest. I can't think of her name. What's the
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actress that beat her kids with like Mommy Dearest? Look
at Mommy dearist it should say it's the story of
the actress. I can't think of her name off the
top of my head.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Looking up now, Mommy Dearest, nithing any one film cast
faint done.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Away, right, But I mean, who does she portrayed as,
I say, Joean Crawford. Joan Crawford. Yeah, yeah, so I
see a little bit of that in her portrayal.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yeah, men and women they act like it's like like
almost like almost like adult children in a way trying
to act like their ideal family, idea of what an
ideal family is, which would be like what they watched
as like children on televisions from like that too. That's
why I get like the ninety five.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
But if you remember, if you remember, Lee Roy tells Pool,
he says, look, this family's been doing this for a years,
generations and generations, and they're just the most recent ones.
But it's been going on a long time.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, so the Clearest House.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
So I think the acting's really well done. I think
the storytelling is really well done. Like I said, the
only thing I really don't understand is the man not
just breaking down.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
The wall and going to when he has the opportunity
to too.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Exactly how many times do you have to repatch the walls?
And you know what, when the police came, they didn't
see any holes in the wall or anything, remember like
where he's been shooting the gun through the So they
either have a quick turnaround sliding walls or something.
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Yeah, but also clearly, like I would take the defense
him not running to the wall to just thinking about
it right now, like It's clearly like this is like
their source of enjoyment is the torture.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
And also like maybe the hunt.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Is what the hunt is, yeah, or so they're fun
for you know, like the idea, like you know, Roach
has gone away for so long because the kind of
let him get away so long because they like honeing
him down, you know, because they're you know, sick to
mend people like that. So that could be it why
they do the whole Thinkler's like like they like the
idea of like which you're.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Kind of hoping Roach was gonna survive. I thought I
was gonna make another appearance there at the end of
the film and save the day, you know, it sacrifices
his life to save Alice or something.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
It's always a surprise in American films when they kill
a young person, especially, you know, like very few American
films really like take that, you know, kind of sance
on having the thing. Like and I was like Japanese films,
they they don't care at allow American films. They're like,
oh no, we can't kill a kid, we can never
kill a cad even a horror film. But so I
I kind of like, actually like I admire when a
when a an American film is willing to kind of
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take that on and be like, I don't know, like realistically,
this kid's gonna I'm not gonna make it. He didn't
make it and I didn't, and I feel like his
sacrifice was worthwhile. Though too they didn't like, they didn't
like his death wasn't for nothing. He really did help
out and like without him, Fool would and Alice would
have never escaped. So I think they did that well
in Fume.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Right, So I like the characters, the story. And another
thing I didn't really like or it didn't really expand upon,
is at the end when the kids that have been
trapped in the house are just walking out the street.
The money's blown through the chimney, you know, they're spaking money.
They're just like walking out of the street, just going
on their happy way.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You know.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
It's interesting. I wonder if their families were looking for them,
you know, And was any of that.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
The idea like a wall missing Pearson's right to young
people and like that it.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Would be cool if they would have if they would
have walked by like a missing person sign or something.
Have you seen this kid and it's the kids that are.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
You can almost like imagine like a three hour version
of this film that goes into detail of all those
kind of like little deep or.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Even like a prequel would be really cool to see
how this family has I think be very depressing, but
I mean it was to see how this family started
doing this stuff and all that.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
So yeah, yeah, Actually one question too, like would you
rather like if they did like a sequel, if another
film like this like another remake, would you rather be
like a legacy sequel or would you rather see a
fule on remake If it needs to be a full
on remake, we remake like a legacy sequel kind of
Like I said.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
It's hard for them to come up with something new anyway.
So if they took this and kept the core pieces
of the story, I don't need to see any political
correct stuff in this film. I need to see exactly
what it was, but just updated. Yeah, because I and
I think the traps in the house could be more elaborate.
It could almost be like if they owned what's that
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the Winchester House, where like the stairs go straight to
a door that leads to nothing like a brick wall
and all that.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Two, I would be personally, I'd be worried about it
remake the in general, just because I would be worried
about them going like one like too far one way
or another based on other like like current horror films
Queen not right now, where it'd be like like what
if it's just like a solve death trap machine, like
all these kids are even killed in perfect way like that,
Like I wouldn't really care for that personally, or something
like that too.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
I mean they even have a like a muddy swamp
thing under.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Their base, you know what I mean, but even under
the basement too.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous. I was waiting for them to
be like alligators or something down there too, or like
in Austin Powers the Sharks but the laser on.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Yeah, so I think that, Yeah, there's a there's a
weird line that this movie walks that I feel like,
you know, like it's like it stops just sort of
being like a comical cartoon, but also it still also
has aspects of it were like if you just say
that when the last week, like what do you mean
he has the stairs that fall down and down straight down,
Like that's a cartoon. At the point it sounds like
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a cartoon, but then when you watch the film, it
all feels somehow plausible in the film itself, which I
think it's really really funny. But I feel like it'd
be a huge challenge for a remake of that film
to walk that same line and strike the same balance
as this film did. So I'd be very curious see remake,
and I should try.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Something else I don't understand is when full first gets
trapped in the basement, Yeah, all them cannibals are like,
you know, they're trying to get him, but at the
end of the movie, when he gets thrown in there,
they're they're trying to protect him from the guy. Remember,
and I don't know why unless they just saw him
trying to help Alice or something escape or with roach.
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It never released because you think if they threw him
in there and they were hungry, they were gonna rip
him apart. But no, they actually, you know, they started
making noises. There was like a little bit of a
plan going on.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Yeah, so I don't know, Well, one hand, they just
have the recent meal too, and also the factor of
like they're curious as to why it's like that gets
back what you mean, So man.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Yeah, So for me, I'm probably gonna give this an
eight out of ten. It is my favorite Wes Craven movie.
I think it's really well done. If you have not
watched this movie, definitely check it out. It's very captivating
to say, at least it is aged a little bit,
you can tell.
Speaker 8 (36:35):
Yeah, but it holds up really well though, you know,
especially for you know, for being you know, thirty four
years old. Now right.
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In every neighborhood there is one house that adults whisper
about and children across the street to avoid. Now Wes Craven,
creator of a Nightmare on Elm Street, takes you inside.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Something's in here.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
We gotta get out of here, Leeboy.
Speaker 7 (01:53):
All sorts of memories about what goes on in that house.
The police never.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
Took it serious. Eating that between the walls again.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Very very tense about this. What goes on in this
house is a sin, but what goes on under the
stairs is a nightmare. Wes Cravens The People under the Stairs.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of centa podcast.
I'm your host, Jimbo. I'm your co host Kyle Kyle.
Today we'll be doing a movie that I picked out.
It is Wes Craven's The People under the Stairs. Kyle,
before we get started, got a question as usual, Kyle,
have you ever been fed between the walls or under
the stair? No, I'm kidding. As a matter of fact,
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no breakfast. Yeah, you should have seen the waitress of
Denny's when I sh had to feed Kyle between the walls. No,
but this is obviously a Wes craven film. Very underrated,
I do believe. But Kyle, what is your favorite Wes
craven film? I know most people would say Scream or
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Namael on Elm Street. Yeah, you don't even know who
Wes Craven is.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
No, I know who Wes Craven is.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Do you want to look it up? So that way
you have.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
I'm probably gonna look up at the film. Let's just
make sure, but like, yeah, you're right, like Ma Reynolds,
you can probably be up there. And also well reyeld
Street real he's probably number one, But I'm gonna look
up as as other films just to be sure if
they might have a personal favorite there that I'm not
thinking of.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
Well, I remember seeing this movie when I was younger,
and it's one of those ones that kind of scared
me to think that this could be actually happening in
real life. That's what makes a scary movie that much
more scarier when it's something that could happen in real life.
Like what was that movie the Black Phone?
Speaker 8 (04:00):
The Black Phone?
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Did you ever watched the Black Phone?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Ever?
Speaker 7 (04:02):
Black Phone? Oh? Kyle?
Speaker 8 (04:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (04:05):
If you would like Kyle to watch any sort of
movies and not just buy them.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
No, I only buy movies. That's that's that's the goal.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
That's the Kyle Klek's movies, just to have not to
watch right exactly.
Speaker 8 (04:16):
Wow, he directed thirty one movies who you don't want
to choose as a favorite for my favorite West Curve
of movie.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
I know it's probably something stupid.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
It's gonna be something a little it's not shock or
don't worry, it's not Shocked. That's not a bad movie.
It's a bad movie. Let's be honest.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
Shot, you think The Shocker is a bad movie?
Speaker 8 (04:33):
Is a bad movie?
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Have you watched it?
Speaker 8 (04:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (04:35):
Are you sure?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Not?
Speaker 7 (04:36):
In twenty years? But I watched it.
Speaker 8 (04:39):
I'm gonna choose Red Eye Red Yeah. I was a
good movie. Yeah, it goes to a solid movie. Yeah,
so about you? Jimo? Was your fvoritet Corot movie? Oh?
Speaker 7 (04:48):
Obviously? The People Under the Stairs absolutely.
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Yeah, I understand that. Joy.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
This movie is really good.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
I really enjoy it.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
I mean, I mean, you can't go wrong with a
guy named Broach.
Speaker 8 (04:59):
The Yeah, I think rhymes is great. Yeah, yeah, I'm fool.
That's a great character names.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
And Leroy you gotta have Lee Roy. Let's do this right, Broach. Yeah,
good character names in this film, all right, Kyle take
away The People under the Stairs.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
Jim O. Yeah I got it wrong there. The trailer
said at all Wes Craven's The People Under The Stairs,
released on November one, nineteen ninety one, follow the story
of Fool. When Fool breaks into the home of a
family's landlord, he discovers that they have mutilated several boys
and kept them imprisoned under the stairs. As Fool tends
to flee, he meets their daughter, Alice. But can Fool
and Alice escape? Bump Bump Bull These stuff Buchet for
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the film well, directed by Wes Craven and written by
Wes Craven, Produced by Stuart M. Besser and Mariann Madalena
and Madalina Madelina Madelina, that's what we saying. Composer Don Peek,
cinematographer Sandy Sezzele, editor James Coblins, casting director Eileen mckknight,
and production designer Brian Jones. Budget for the film was
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six million dollars, very modest, I think for how well
this home actually turns out pretty well, like good modest
horror horror budget film making right there. Just for inflation,
that'd be about fourteen point one million dollars today. Opening weekend,
it grossed just a five point five million dollars, so
like a little worrying for opening weekend, but just for inflation
is thirteen million dollars. But then gross for US in
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Canada that came out to twenty four point two million dollars,
and just for inflation that'd be about fifty seven million.
And then gross worldwide or made even better money. It
made a thirty one point three million dollars. Just for inflation,
that made about seventy three point eight million dollars. This movie,
it looks like it was successful overall, in modest success
at the very least, if not a good success overall.
It's give them all that. Moving on here'n'na shavings up
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a little bit. I'm not justly gonna start going to
the cast directly now. So for the cast, we have
the first character, first main actor, Brandon Quintin Adams playing
the care role of fool Hey, fool Hey, fool YEAHO.
Brandon Quintin Adams also known for a mini role, especially
as Standlot in nineteen ninety three, The Money Ducks in
ninet ninety two and the film Ghosts in the Machine.
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Next time, we have Everitt McGill playing the role of man.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
How good was the man and woman in this Everet
McGill was yeah, was uh and the woman was even better.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
Oh yeah one, Yeah, I agree that one was better.
I get here as well. But yeah, Evan McGill did
a fantastic job and just the whole last third actories
in the BDSM outfit running around for Shotgun is like,
this is crazy.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
I wonder if that's where American horror story got it for.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
I wouldn't be surprised at all. Right, definitely an inspiration
for sure. But yeah, this film, like it goes some
some strange places that I would not call for. I
gues said, this is probably one of the best movies
to watch when you have zero knowledge of it going in.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
So so clarify for the people. The man and the
woman they call each other was a mommy and daddy.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
Yeah, but their.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Brother and sister. Yep, that's the way out there.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
It's uh. They just there's no stone left unturned when
it comes to like creepy and weird in this film,
I think, right, So yeah, Van McGill plays a man.
Evan McGill was also in the show Twin Peaks from
nineteen eighty nine to nineteenninety one, and it was also
in the twenty seventeen reboot of the show, Oh reboot, Legacy,
Legacy add On add on the show, Yeah Yeah, And
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he was also in the movie My Ful Americans nineteen
ninety six and Wendy Robbie. Wendy Robbie was playing the
role of woman. A great, great performance, great performance of
just yeah of just manic, insane woman kind of like stereotyped,
so he plays in a lot of cliches, but in
the very like horrific way obviously.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Oh man, when she takes her and throws her on
the scolding water to watch the blood.
Speaker 8 (08:36):
Off, Yeah, just absolutely horrifying, wretched woman. It's it's amazing.
Great work on her part. Wendy was also was also
in twenty Peaks, the show and the twenties, and I
believe also in the twenty seventeen Legacy add On. She
was also in the film Where the World Is Mine
in two thousand and eight and The Dentist in the
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nineteen ninety six. Next up, we had A. J. Langer
playing the role of Alice. A. J. Langer was also
in the show My So Called Life from ninet ninety
four to ninety five, and she was in the film
Escape from La in nineteen ninety six. Then next up
we got big rhymes playing Regal ye league. Ryan's probably
big rhyme is probably easily most recognizable from his role
in Pulp Fiction nine ninety four, but also the Mission
(09:19):
Impossible series from ninet ninety six to basically ongoing, well,
I say ongoing play the last movie this year in
twenty twenty five, and also the Leland and Stitch two
thousand and two animated movie there one of the one
of Disney's last two d animated films. Really oh really
yeah movie play. He played the the the U was
the family h counselor or whatever not in the family
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counselor but like the person who comes in to make
sure that that that uh lelo is in a stable
home like a welfare like a welfare check up kind
of person like that. He plays them, but also clearly
has some like CIA stuff going right too as well.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Are you gonna watch that live action?
Speaker 8 (09:55):
I might. I'll probably pick it up on Voodoo No
No Day and go at home now. Sorry, I'll probably
pick up eventually, but I don't know if I'll go
to say, in the theaters. But I've read some reviews
so like it's solid, so that could be cool. I
doubt I'll have some of them more like us, uh not,
because scene is a little more controversial now right aspects.
I enjoyed the animated feature quite a bit, and I
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still love that, so I love that regardless. But the
live action film might be just fine, so I might
watch up some time. Next up we got Sean Wellon
playing the role of Roach. Sean Wellen was also in
the in the movie That Thing You Do in ninth
ninety six, Twister ninth ninety six, and Employee of the
Month in two thousand and six. Next up we got
Bill Cobbs playing Grandpa Booker. Bill Cobbs is also in
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the film Demolition Man nine ninety three, New Jack City
nine ninety one, and Night of the Museum in two
thousand and six. Then next up here we got Jeremy
Roberts playing Spencer. Jeremy Robins was also in the film
Star Trek sixth The Undiscovered Country n ninety one. Then
we have Connie Marie Braselton playing the role of Mary.
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Connie was also in the film Tiny Beautiful Things and
twenty twenty three. Then we got Josh Cox playing the
role of a young cop. Josh Cox was also in
the film A Strong Medicine the year two thousand. Then
we have John Hastutter playing the role of veteran cop.
John Hestutter was also in the film Heartbreak Ridge in
nine eighty six. And then finally we have John Mahone
playing police sergeant. John Mahoons was also in the film
Armageddon nineteen ninety feet and that guy pretty much includes
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most of the other actors in this film. Is also
like a social worker at a cop stairmasher and stay
and stare persons for kind of like the zombies. For
the dogs, Aushi mention quick because he actually had at
least four dogs on this film. They had Brutus, Bubba, Schultz,
and Zeke and I believe this is their only film
they've all appeared in. But they had four dogs total
for the role. Yeah, that I could see here in
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the cast list. And that concludes the cast of the
people under the Stairs. So moving on to some other.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Well, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
Yeah, Joell asked me a question.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
You said zombies.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
Well, did they say zombies?
Speaker 7 (11:52):
You said zombies. I did say zombies, and I don't
think they were zombies.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
No, they're not zombies. They're just mutilated people.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Well, I don't even know if they're mutile. They're just
sheltered from the sun. Oh they've been mutil they've been.
They've been they've been fed humans. So I didn't say
they were cannibals, but I wouldn't say they were zombies.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Yeah, zombies. They're just really really mistreated, malnursed and possibly mutilated.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
Oh well, at least one of me, like the boy.
Speaker 8 (12:15):
So I'm assuming all the other people in that house
probably also got stuff happened to him. Like I said,
no Ctern lift un't turned for this film. Yeah, we've
got some other details that we have the awards for
the film for the nineteen and ninety three Academy of
Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films Awards. We have a
Saturn Award nomination for Best Formance by a Younger Actor.
I'm assuming that's for Brandon Quinn Adams, but got caught
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by the printer there. We also got a nomination for
Best Director for Wes Craven, and we have a win
for the Special Jury Award to Wes Craven. Next time.
We have the nineteen ninety two Brussels International Festival of
Fantasy Film Awards where we have a win for the
Biggest Audience Award to Wes Craven and for the nineteen
ninety one Fangoria chainsaw Awards. We have a bunch of
nominations here. We have a nomination for Best Sporting Actress
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Lane Jerry Langer, Best Makeup FX to K and b
EFX Group, Best Actor to Everett McGill, Best Studio, Best
Budget Film nomination and Best Screenplay in adotation for Wes
Craven and Best Actress nomination for Wendy Robbie. Technical details
of the film. This film has run time of one
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hundred and two minutes. Sound mix is in double stereo
West Trex recording system. This is a color film. Aspect
ratio is one point a five by one. Camera used
was the AIRFX thirty five BL three and that includes
the process was DIGITALMEDID for a four K twenty twenty
three remaster, which is the remaster I watched for this
this proadcast and I believe that concludes technical details of
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the film. Now we can move on to the trivia
Jimbo take away from me?
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Do you think this would have worked as a black
and white film?
Speaker 8 (13:49):
I thought we're ben asking jeneral, like do you think now,
but as a black and white film, yeah, probably would
have worked really really well. I think it's been really cool.
Then I would have definitely called them zombies because.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Well at that point, oh man, so a little bit.
There's not a lot of trivia. I really really enjoyed
this movie, and we'll get to why towards the end.
But Wes Craven was actually inspired to write this film
after reading a real life news story about burglars breaking
into a house. When the authorities arrived, however, the burglars
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had disappeared, but they discovered locked doors with noises coming
from behind. Children had been locked up inside their rooms
by their parents, never allowed to go outside. Oh my gosh,
you imagine never seeing the light of day ever.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
It's horrifying. Yeah, you hear about cases like that, like
every almost every few months, every for years. You hear
about a story about like a family that just locked
away one of their children.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Well, there was that lady I think in Ohio that
what is abducted and then you know he had her
locked up and got her pregnant and was raising her
and her daughter like in the basement. They finally escaped
and I'm like, I.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Want to say, early last week I just heard like
a like about a child being kept in a kennel
cage for like like nineteen years in their home just
absolutely like yeah, only be taken out to be abused,
you know, in absolutely core horrific conditions. This messed up
and oh it's really yeah, like everyone's gonna lose all
faith humanity right there. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
So Wes Craven shows Wendy Robbie and Everett McGill to
play the parts of mommy and daddy after seeing them
play husband and wife on the TV series Twin Peaks.
So they were husband and wife brother jeez, Louise.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
They work well together, clearly I agree.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
I wonder if they have like a pact where, hey,
if you get this role, I will be your spouse.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
You always gotta nominate me or something that's right, you know,
always root for the other one, you know, good friendship, teamwork.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
There.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
The coin that full pulls out of Spencer's hand is real.
It is known as an American Gold Eagle and contains
one ounce of twenty two carrot gold. Oh cool, Kyle
in nineteen ninety one. How much do you think it
was worth approximately one ounce.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Gosh, I don't even know what it one ounces for
now for gold gold value wise, I'm gonna say forty dollars.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Seven hundred and eight dollars dollars for that one.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
I was right on the spot. Yeah, every goajibo. Hey,
I didn't go over, so my price is right rules
I'm still right.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Shortly before his death, Wes Craven was developing a television
show version of this film on the Sci Fi Channel.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Television version of the show, I think this is.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
A prime candidate for a remake, prime candidate, oh, primeman.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
For a remake. For sure. It's a great horror concept
for absolutely. I can definitely see like something like that
happening now. In general, though, horror TV shows, I just
I never really care for even streaming shows. I'm got
a little more skeptical about. But uh, I guess in
the streaming era could work. But for like modern like
ninety for nineties, early two thousands, you can't have a
good horror TV show because you can't cautch commercials, right,
So it's all about timing.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
So Hillary Swank, you know who Hillary Swank is. She's
an actress man wherever I hope so, but she all
auditioned for the role of Roach. Roach was originally written
to be either a male or a female.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Huh.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yeah, but I think they went with the male version
because they had Alice in the house.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Yeah, I imagine they would have shot a lot of
those scenes a little bit differently if Roach had been
in that kind of situation as a female character. But yeah,
I could see it happening, for sure. I definitely imagine
how that role could be tinder squap and still basically
serving exacting bunching thing.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Right.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Wendy Robbie, who played a woman, credits this movie as
the most fun she's ever had on a film set
and one of her favorite projects she's ever done.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
It's definitely an incredibly exaggerated role for sure, Like she
goes over the top, like she's almost like both both
men and women are basically kind of cartoon characters of
evil in many ways, you know, like they're they're so
over the top, just NonStop, you know.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
I mean, but I mean just watching her, like she
was tossing around Alice and when she puts her in
the hot water, clearly just having a ball, and she
has that knife at the end and it's just like
I saw a little bit of my mind flash to
Norman Baits from Psycho. I mean, it's just really well done.
I can't praise her enough for her role in this film.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
Yeah yeah, but like not saying like bad about her acting.
But there's like almost like a shine of like pure
joy behind her eyes. Everything she's in this is just
like I love. She's somebody that makes you want paid
to do this. Oh my god, she's somebody that makes
you want to hate her. Oh yeah, really, she's great.
She's great. But she clearly knows exactly the role she
was playing in this film and leaned as far as
she possibly could into it and really shows off.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Well.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
You'll like her even more after this next fractyle. Okay, So,
during the scene in which the woman feeds Spencer's sliced
hand to her the dog Prince, you remember this where
she tosses the hand. Yeah, a fake edible hand covered
and a red sauce was used for the dog. While
the dog was chewing and eating up the hand, Robbie
noticed a wire in the dog's mouth and then reached
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into the dog's mouth with her bare fingers and managed
to pull out the wire much to the cruise, including
the director's shock.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Oh my gosh, that's terrif.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
I mean a Rottweiler? Is that dog? Look mean?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:55):
To stick your hand in there while they're posing dogs
possible and then pulling a wire out of his mouth?
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Oh my yeah, you ever try to you try to
pull a bone away from my dog? It's not a
good side.
Speaker 8 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen dogs of all shrive, being
good and bad. I'm not out the front, but still like, yeah,
I would be nervous about a dog I didn't know
trying to return in his mouth. That's that's crazy. So
good on hurt that she didn't get hurt. Kyle roach Uh.
The actor Sean Whalan, he was fifteen or sixteen year
old boy in the film. How old do you think
he was in real life? I'm going to say, I'm
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going to guess twenty six.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
On the dot. Twenty six years old. Wow, I am shocked.
You actually got something right. I brove the clock right
right by right day. The film earned back at six
million budget within a few days of its theatrical release.
That's great. At about one hour and thirty minutes in Ruby,
who was full sister shouts where did that crazy Heffer go?
(19:49):
In the background A J. Langer who was Alice? Can
we see breaking character and smiling? So I love it
when they leave stuff a little like Yeah, the car
that the man and woman drive is a nineteen fifty
eight Cadillac Fleetwood seventy five. There's talk of possibly doing
a remake of this film at one point by Wes Craven,
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and as of twenty twenty three, they're still talking about
a remake, so it's still on the table.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
I could definitely see it happening. It's kind of a
timeless concept for the most part, so.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
And with the updated effects they could do be really great.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
I'm curious if they would lean into like a different
kind of like Superbia now, like a more modern suburbia,
because like this one kind of leans into like this
is a film the nineties lean into the fifties. I
wonder if they'd have a similar thing where, like, you know,
they're kind of like it's a film current times of
twenty twenty, but also leans into like the eighties kind
of look of what modern families look like back then.
It's something crazy like that.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
The beginning, I think this film looked like it was
in the fifties.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
No, I mean, like the family pacifically, the man and woman,
they almost need into like a nineteen fifties kind.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Of character, like Honey, I'm home.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Yeah, that kind of idea of how they dressed and
looked outside, you know, in like modern day society. I
think that was the idea of what they had. Might
they drive a car from the fifties as well, It's
because they're trying to like eximplify this nineteen fifties Americana
kind of Look. I think it's the idea.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Well, let's not forget the racial undertones of the movie. Yeah,
makes sense, right, it makes sense, you know, being in fifties.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yeah kind of mindset. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
So, if fun were to take into the account the
skin condition of Roach compared to the other boys, he
was in the basement for the least amount of time,
possibly being the last of the kids that I've been
thrown in there to rot when he escaped into the walls,
because the ones that have been down there will they've
all got really peale skin, long hair. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
I guess I never really got a solid grasp of
the timeline of this film, but I guess, like the
ideas of those, like, you know, the the older kids
in there had been down there for you know, you know,
the better part of a decade probably were his Roach
had been there for.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
They said he escaped, Remember when they got mad at
him Roach.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, because he escaped, got mad, and
so he's probably been there, what a few months maybe maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
These guys own little setup back there with Christmas lights
and everything. So he's got a TV.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Oh yeah, so yeah, a real set of going like
pretty good.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
So, Kyle, this house is located just one mile, which
is a twenty mile walk, probably from the Epps family
home in Numbers. In two thousand and five, the house
interiors were also used for filming rob Zombies Halloween. In
two thousand and seven, the House of Mommy and Daddy,
which had assigned the Red Robinson Funeral Home out front,
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was filmed only three and a half miles from the
body Shop at Mister Monk and the paper Boy. In
two thousand and four, there was a February fourth, nineteen
ninety nine Los Angeles Times article about the house entitled
points of Pride about how Butterfly McQueen Do you know
who Butterfly McQueen? Was Kyle no idea. She was the
maid from Gone with the Wind in nineteen thirty nine.
(22:39):
Oh wow, she owned and lived in the house where
this was filmed. She was still alive at the time
of this film's release. That's really cool, really cool. Yeah,
a lot of classical eleggsuff going on there, right, So Kyle,
talk about the movie. What do you like? You don't like?
Way you raining it?
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Oh yeah, ye, there's very little like don't like about
this whole film. Actually, overall, I would say it kept
my interesting entire time. I really enjoyed it quite a bit.
And you know, I guess digging into like the racial
undertones a little bit too, Like it kind of goes
like I think everything that kind of goes into a
commentary of like how little people like, how little authority
figures look into like the idea of like ideal domestic
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society kind of like, Yeah, She's like, would you like
a family, would you like crime happens here at all?
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Would you like another doughnut or coffee sugar for your coffee?
Speaker 8 (23:27):
Exactly?
Speaker 7 (23:28):
So then she closed, She's like, I hope I've never
seen another cop for the rest of my life.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
Yeah, definitely, She's so funny in this movie is great. Yeah,
And then of course, you know, I don't think they
really showed scenes with the boy or like the other
people in the neighborhood of the Fools neighborhood being immediately
like kind of like uh uh being uh not interrogated,
but like being mistreated by police in that neighborhood necessarily.
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But I think that was kind of like a bit
of a racial commentary going on there for sure, especial
for the nineties especially definitely going on there, and also
the idea of racial quality going on there for sure
an entire film, like the everyone in that neighborhood, it
was predominantly in the minority group of either being probably
black or mixing or something like that, and having you know,
been being uh basically taking basic control, basically controlled by
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this white up middle class family who was you know,
robbing them blind.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Right, and they were gonna they were gonna sell the
they were gonna kick them out of the building they
were in, and do you remember what they were gonna
put in there?
Speaker 8 (24:26):
They were really gonna put like a like a basically
like a giant hotel or something like that, or like
a mini mall or something like that like a mall
or something. Do you remember what they said?
Speaker 7 (24:34):
I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was something.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
Where somebody wanted that would take a lot of real estate.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
They wanted to kick them out because they wanted to
basically upgrade their neighborhood, if you will, because it does
take place in court of like I don't want to
say the term ghetto, but it's kind of like in
a rough side of town. Yeah. And the way that
they just were, they find all the money that they've
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been hoarding, I mean millions, probably millions of dollars.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Yeah, and a pointless hord too, just like like it's
a hoard for nothing. They're not spending on anything. It's
just like there's a massing wealth the sake of a
massing wealth. And that's the addiction of money for sure.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
And you know you see that house, because that house
is booby trapped with dynamite spikes coming out of the walls,
slide doors.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Probably has a very hobby Ashley, right, I.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Was, And you know he just the guy has the guns.
He just keeps shooting. How do you not hear that stuff?
And then you have like locks and barbed windows and
I got the metal doors and all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
Yeah, I definitely I got the impression that that entire
neighborhood had to be abandoned besides their one house they
had there. It has to be that was I think
the idea is just like, you know, everyone's being bought
out and like thrown out except that one house still
left there where.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Well they might own all the other houses. But I
don't know about if that's true, because if you remember, she's.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
Like, you can't shoot out there, don't shoot you going outside.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
You know better, you're gonna they're gonna hear you. But
I mean, just think they're so evil that when full
does get up to the attic and jumps off into
the water and he goes back, he said, I promised
Alice I would go back. So he comes back, you know,
he sneaks inside and he finds Alice. She's chained up
in the basement on like a chimney. Thing comes down
the chimney. They get back up to the addict and
they go to jump off with He's like, come on,
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we could jump back in the door. She said, no,
said after you escape, they said they drained it and
they filled it with broken glass.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
And yeah the very next day too, right, just immediately.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
It might even have been the same night. I mean
it was crazy the way how fast this this movie moves.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, meno when we're like they they work. They
were on top of the Torture Family list of just.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Like, but how much money? I mean, how much money
would that cost to you know, booby trap the house
like that?
Speaker 8 (26:39):
I mean, oh, you know, like like not the secret
cost is astronomical, but just getting done at all?
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Question that broach has been in the wall? Why didn't
you just tear that You've already shot holes to the wall.
Why didn't you just tear a little piece down and
start walking behind there?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I know.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
Yeah, that's the only flaw I had with this movie.
Is you idiot?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Yeah you're shooting willing to shoot holes in your home,
but you can't just like demoishal wall and through it. Yeah,
you know, like you've already ruined the wall. You might
as well just walk through to price it.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
You know.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
That's the only doubt fault for this movie is like
you idiot? I mean maybe is that stupid?
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Yeah? Yeah, well it's like the you know, this movie
is like a little more fantasy more and more on
the fantasy side of like kind of like I I
see this film as a little more of a children's
horror film just in general, both a child protagonist and
also the fact that like they are so like almost
cartoonishly evil, the fact, the fact, despite the fact that
it does get extremely violent with gorns like that too.
But I almost do view this as like this is
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supposed to be like a hard movie intended for a
younger audience, because like it's so over the top and
also doesn't make a lot of sense, any sense in situations.
It's like the feasibility of like a real family doing
this very like, yeah, people do get locked in their
houses for nineteen years, the kids do that, than to
have these people all the time, but like the idea
of this, you know, this insanely complicated torture house full
(27:58):
of dozens of people, No.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Really, you know.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
So it's really kind of over the top in that sense.
But I still really appreciate it on that level too.
So yeah, but this film is like overall, it's an
excellent film, probably one of Wes Craven's best. I agree
there definitely like a easy top five for me and
include that with like ninem Our, Elmistreet and Scream being
up there, and then also like I'm I like Right
Eye a lot. I thought that was a good movie,
so like, you know, definitely like I'll put in the
top five up there. If I had to go to
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rating though, I'd probably give it a rating of probably
seven out of ten probably around there, like really really good,
if not great, Well, we're seeming if you're a horror
fan in general, especially if you're a Wes Craven fan
in all, then it's definitely like, well, like it's up there,
We're like, you've got to see this film because it's
a great standalone feature too, and it's great. It's not
like a film that has like twenty sequels or something
like that too. It's good like you can just watch
this and be done with it and then like hope
maybe a remake comes out and then five years might
(28:47):
that be cool. But it's a great little standalone feature
like that. So I really appreciate this film. Jimbo, let's
talk about this some of your takes on the film too.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Well. I like the characters, the characters development. They developed
them in a way where you care about the characters,
you care what happened to Alice. You cared what happened
to Fool. He cared what happened to Fool's family. His
mother's dying, she needs to get to a hospital to have.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
A plight a Fool's old thing. It's like, I absolutely understand.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
But the story, the story that they put full in
is he's gonna do what he has to do to
take care of his mom. And I think that really
drew me into.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
And even like the the less less good, like Big
Rhyme's Leroy, I don't think like I don't see him
as a particularly evil person, even though like he does
pretty evil things obviously, like trying to get a kid
to do his dairy work essentially and also rob the
family Landward's house, But still like he's in a he's
in a robin Hood like scenario. We're trying to you know,
trying to with.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
Then again, you don't see Fool's dad either, so he
may be trying to do like the father figure to
Fool too.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
Yes, and and that you know, despite how like not
good he is, he still is probably the best male
role model that Fool has initially in his life right there,
So like he's taking on some responsibility for that family
that may not be his or maybe canybe his, you know,
but still even like the big Rhymes's character, Like, I
don't view as like totally like evil as much as
definitely a few you know, man women as being incredibly evil. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
Yeah, I think man and woman they both did as
such a you can see their chemistry on screen where
they've probably worked together, you know, I mean several times
or even after this. Maybe that's why they got the
roles in the future because their chemistry from this movie
was so good. She plays that lady so perfect. She
kind of reminds me of the lady that was in
Mommy Dearest. I can't think of her name. What's the
(30:25):
actress that beat her kids with like Mommy Dearest? Look
at Mommy dearist it should say it's the story of
the actress. I can't think of her name off the
top of my head.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Looking up now, Mommy Dearest, nithing any one film cast
faint done.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Away, right, But I mean, who does she portrayed as,
I say, Joean Crawford. Joan Crawford. Yeah, yeah, so I
see a little bit of that in her portrayal.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yeah, men and women they act like it's like like
almost like almost like adult children in a way trying
to act like their ideal family, idea of what an
ideal family is, which would be like what they watched
as like children on televisions from like that too. That's
why I get like the ninety five.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
But if you remember, if you remember, Lee Roy tells Pool,
he says, look, this family's been doing this for a years,
generations and generations, and they're just the most recent ones.
But it's been going on a long time.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, so the Clearest House.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
So I think the acting's really well done. I think
the storytelling is really well done. Like I said, the
only thing I really don't understand is the man not
just breaking down.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
The wall and going to when he has the opportunity
to too.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Exactly how many times do you have to repatch the walls?
And you know what, when the police came, they didn't
see any holes in the wall or anything, remember like
where he's been shooting the gun through the So they
either have a quick turnaround sliding walls or something.
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Yeah, but also clearly, like I would take the defense
him not running to the wall to just thinking about
it right now, like It's clearly like this is like
their source of enjoyment is the torture.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
And also like maybe the hunt.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Is what the hunt is, yeah, or so they're fun
for you know, like the idea, like you know, Roach
has gone away for so long because the kind of
let him get away so long because they like honeing
him down, you know, because they're you know, sick to
mend people like that. So that could be it why
they do the whole Thinkler's like like they like the
idea of like which you're.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Kind of hoping Roach was gonna survive. I thought I
was gonna make another appearance there at the end of
the film and save the day, you know, it sacrifices
his life to save Alice or something.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
It's always a surprise in American films when they kill
a young person, especially, you know, like very few American
films really like take that, you know, kind of sance
on having the thing. Like and I was like Japanese films,
they they don't care at allow American films. They're like,
oh no, we can't kill a kid, we can never
kill a cad even a horror film. But so I
I kind of like, actually like I admire when a
when a an American film is willing to kind of
(32:41):
take that on and be like, I don't know, like realistically,
this kid's gonna I'm not gonna make it. He didn't
make it and I didn't, and I feel like his
sacrifice was worthwhile. Though too they didn't like, they didn't
like his death wasn't for nothing. He really did help
out and like without him, Fool would and Alice would
have never escaped. So I think they did that well
in Fume.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Right, So I like the characters, the story. And another
thing I didn't really like or it didn't really expand upon,
is at the end when the kids that have been
trapped in the house are just walking out the street.
The money's blown through the chimney, you know, they're spaking money.
They're just like walking out of the street, just going
on their happy way.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You know.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
It's interesting. I wonder if their families were looking for them,
you know, And was any of that.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
The idea like a wall missing Pearson's right to young
people and like that it.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Would be cool if they would have if they would
have walked by like a missing person sign or something.
Have you seen this kid and it's the kids that are.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
You can almost like imagine like a three hour version
of this film that goes into detail of all those
kind of like little deep or.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Even like a prequel would be really cool to see
how this family has I think be very depressing, but
I mean it was to see how this family started
doing this stuff and all that.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
So yeah, yeah, Actually one question too, like would you
rather like if they did like a sequel, if another
film like this like another remake, would you rather be
like a legacy sequel or would you rather see a
fule on remake If it needs to be a full
on remake, we remake like a legacy sequel kind of
Like I said.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
It's hard for them to come up with something new anyway.
So if they took this and kept the core pieces
of the story, I don't need to see any political
correct stuff in this film. I need to see exactly
what it was, but just updated. Yeah, because I and
I think the traps in the house could be more elaborate.
It could almost be like if they owned what's that
(34:18):
the Winchester House, where like the stairs go straight to
a door that leads to nothing like a brick wall
and all that.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Two, I would be personally, I'd be worried about it
remake the in general, just because I would be worried
about them going like one like too far one way
or another based on other like like current horror films
Queen not right now, where it'd be like like what
if it's just like a solve death trap machine, like
all these kids are even killed in perfect way like that,
Like I wouldn't really care for that personally, or something
like that too.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
I mean they even have a like a muddy swamp
thing under.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Their base, you know what I mean, but even under
the basement too.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous. I was waiting for them to
be like alligators or something down there too, or like
in Austin Powers the Sharks but the laser on.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Yeah, so I think that, Yeah, there's a there's a
weird line that this movie walks that I feel like,
you know, like it's like it stops just sort of
being like a comical cartoon, but also it still also
has aspects of it were like if you just say
that when the last week, like what do you mean
he has the stairs that fall down and down straight down,
Like that's a cartoon. At the point it sounds like
(35:22):
a cartoon, but then when you watch the film, it
all feels somehow plausible in the film itself, which I
think it's really really funny. But I feel like it'd
be a huge challenge for a remake of that film
to walk that same line and strike the same balance
as this film did. So I'd be very curious see remake,
and I should try.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Something else I don't understand is when full first gets
trapped in the basement, Yeah, all them cannibals are like,
you know, they're trying to get him, but at the
end of the movie, when he gets thrown in there,
they're they're trying to protect him from the guy. Remember,
and I don't know why unless they just saw him
trying to help Alice or something escape or with roach.
(35:59):
It never released because you think if they threw him
in there and they were hungry, they were gonna rip
him apart. But no, they actually, you know, they started
making noises. There was like a little bit of a
plan going on.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Yeah, so I don't know, Well, one hand, they just
have the recent meal too, and also the factor of
like they're curious as to why it's like that gets
back what you mean, So man.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Yeah, So for me, I'm probably gonna give this an
eight out of ten. It is my favorite Wes Craven movie.
I think it's really well done. If you have not
watched this movie, definitely check it out. It's very captivating
to say, at least it is aged a little bit,
you can tell.
Speaker 8 (36:35):
Yeah, but it holds up really well though, you know,
especially for you know, for being you know, thirty four
years old. Now right.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
Well, well, if you want to follow us, we are
the Tragedy of Cinema podcast on Facebook, you can email
us at the Tragedy of smigmail dot com. And with
that being said, I think this episode's coming to closing
that trap.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
And cut them, well them.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Marie Shima joined us, as we toast to the tales
we love the most, the Tragedy of said. Oh then
Marie shimmer joy Us says, we toast to the tales
we love the most.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
We love the most, the Tragedy of Cinema. They shimmer
(37:59):
joy Us. We to the tales we love the most,
to the tails we love the most.
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