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June 25, 2025 • 43 mins
Jimbo is joinced once again by Jason Bond as they talk about one of Jimbo's favorite Gene Wilder movies, and often overlooked, Haunted Honeymoon.

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Speaker 3 (01:37):
It should have been the happiest moment of their lives
the night they came home to be married at the
house of great Aunt Kate.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
But it turned into a honeymoon. I know that one
of you is aware Wolf Allie over or someone or

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something is trying to scare them to death. If anything
frightens you, or anything at all, you just holler.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
A little baloney. Here we go again. I just found
cousin Francis in my bed.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Was he wearing a dress?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes, he was? Just ask him to leave, So tell
him you have a headache.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Whatever happens, who knows if any of us shall ever
see the morning. They have to be ready.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I'm ready.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
I'm ready. I'm ready, I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
What beat it while you're still healthy? Yes, sir, it's
the biggest drill of my life. You'd think this would
frighten me, I'm it's not. What do you think, Well,

(03:08):
it's partly what you think.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
But wait, oh wait.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Starring Geen.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Who, Wilder, Kilder, Radner, Very.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
And Don de Luis in his most demanding role. Oh
it's so complicated. Haunted Honeymoon. All right, guys, welcome back
to the Tragedy of Cinema podcast. I'm your host, Jimbo and.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
I'm Bond Bond.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
We're back with a fun filled episode this week. This
is one of my favorite movies of all time. This is, obviously,
Haunted Honeymoon, starring Gene Wilder. When you talk about Gene
Wilder movies, you can say, what was Geen Wilder's best performance?
For me, Young Frankenstein? Hands down awesome. You can even

(04:09):
throw in Willy Wonka again, great, blazing Saddles, hilarious. But
there are some of his movies that just stick with
you that are funny anyway. You look at this one,
what was it The Lady in Red or The Woman
in Red? That movie hilarious, Hanky Panky, great, the Sherlock

(04:29):
Holmes's Brother whatever. There is just so many, so many
movies that he was a part of, and he was
just a great, great actor, and I love him to death.
So I obviously picked this movie because I think it's
one that a lot of people probably have slept on
and have not watched this movie.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I agree. And you didn't even mention the movies that
he starred with Richard Pryme.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Oh no, I mean, if you Silver Streak, He's.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Got such a list. I think my favorite Gene Older
movie of all time has got to be Willy Wonka.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
You don't like Young Frankenstein, I can help you with
that hump what ump Franken's time?

Speaker 4 (05:12):
That's great? I think, but I think Willie Walker it
seels like a range of his acting because they scenes
that are that are funny, there are scenes that are
kind of creepy, and it's just a great rate he
carries that movie, and I think the movie is just okay.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
And I think that's why he's probably I have my
two favorite actors they can intertwine. Jimmy Stewart and Gene
Wilder are my two hands down favorite actors of all time.
Carry Grant's probably up there. But when you see Jean Wilder,
he's and and the love that he had for Guilda
Gilda Man and when when she passed, it just it

(05:47):
just broke ing, dude, it broke in barred and and
I'm reading her autobiography right now or biography or whatever,
and it's it's very touching. She's like, you know, Jean
loved me. And I'm trying to see the name of
the book of it on my shelf. I can't see
right now. Oh it's still me. I think that's the
name of it. But it's a it's a great book too.
But so yes, Romance, we are talking about Haunted Honeymoon,

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and what's funny about this movie is they're not even
on their honeymoon, and it's called honey Honeymoon because that
is the name of the radio broadcast that they are
doing at the beginning of this. Now, Jason, you're a
little bit older than me. Did you ever listen to
the old radio classics on the radio, like The Shadow

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or Fiber McGee and Molly or any of those.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
No, those are a bit before my time, but they
did sell, like collected editions of those that they would
listen to. My favorite, of course was War of the
Worlds when they did the rebroadcasts of War the World.
I could listen to that one over and over again.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Right. My grandpa used to in Indianapolis. They used to
have a radio station like Late and Night, like it
ten or eleven o'clock. They would do a one hour
audio drama, whether it's either Fiber Micghea, Molly, or The Shadow,
the Lone Ranger, any of these. And that's where my
love for audio dramas grew because I love some of
those old timey radio shows like that, and then then

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to see this in this movie, it just brings back
a lot of memories to me, Like when they're doing
the wind blowing and the thunder and.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
All the door shutting sound effects they.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Use exactly exactly, So let's go ahead dive into Haunted Honeymoon.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Excellent. Haunted Honeymoon nineteen eighty six American comedy horror film
starring Gene Wilder, Gilda Radner, Don Dela Wiz Jonathan Price.
Welder also serves as the writer and the director of
this movie. The title Haunted Honeymoon was previously used for
the nineteen forty US release of Busman's Honeymoon, based on

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a stage play by Dorothy Sayers. This movie, like I Said,
is directed by Gene Wilder, written by Gene Wilder and
Terrence Marsh, produced by Susan Ruskin. Cinematography was done by
Fred Schuler, music by John Morris. This was an Orion
picture and it was released on July twenty fifth, nineteen

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eighty six, with a running time of eighty two minutes,
less than an hour and a half.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
For this one, it's a fun eighty two minutes, though it.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Is a good eighty two minutes. Now here's a sad thing.
The budget for this movie was nine million dollars, which
is twenty six million today, but it only did eight
million dollars, which would be twenty three million, so overall
it was a loser. It lost money. It stars our
cast for Hunted Honeymoon. Of course, our star of the

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show was Gene Wilder as Larry Abbott. You know him
as Willie Wonker. Actually, Gene Wilder's real name, do you
know Geen Walder's real.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Name, mister Wilder Jerome Silberman huh never known?

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Silberman is his real name. But anyway, so Geene Water
of course we know from Willie Walker, Silver Streak, Stir
Crazy Cisco Kid, the producers, Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles, and
the list goes on and on and on right, and
pretty much every single movie is in. Like you said,
he's entertaining in every movie.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Then yep, yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
And then his wife, Gilda Radner plays Vicky Pearl. She's
most of course known as for her SNL days, one
of the founders of SNL and of course she was
in the movie Hanky Panky. We have Dom Delaise as
Aunt Catherine Kate Abbott. He was in Cannonball Run cannon

(09:48):
Ball Run two, but most people just would recognize his
voice because he's a great voice actor. He was in
All Dogs go to Heaven.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah, five will go West.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I think, yeah, Fible goes West. And so if you'd
recognize him from those, of course, he was in History
of the World, Blazing Saddles, Spaceballs, Men and Tights. He
worked a lot with mel Brooks, also as Jonathan Price
as Charles Charlie Abbott, and he this was kind of
a role that was out of character for him to

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play in a comedy. And when I was doing research
on this guy, he's known for Hamlet. He's known as
an actor in Miss Pitgone, he was in Tomorrow Never Dies.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
So was he more of a theater actor?

Speaker 4 (10:34):
He was? He was more he came from the theater
and he was doing Shakespeare and stuff like that. So
the fact that he was in this movie was kind
of shocking to me. Then we get some little lesser
known actors and actresses. We have Eve Ferrett and Sylvia
She was in a movie called Absolute Beginners. Brian Pringle
as Fister the Butler. You love the Butler.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
He's this way, madam.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yeah. He was a stage actor. And his other famous
role he was in Lawrence of Arabia.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Oh, that's a great movie.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Peter Vaughan played Uncle Francis Abbot, Paul Smith as doctor
Paul Abbott, the Uncle, Jim Carter as Montego the Magician,
Joe Ross as Susan Abbott, Roger Ashton Griffin as cousin Francis,
and so on and so on and so on. But
those are the main ones. Oh, Howard Swinton as Eddie

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the sound effects man, it's awesome. He needs to be mentioned,
the sound effects man. And that's your cast of Haunted Honeymoon.
So should I get started on what Honey Honeymoon's about it?

Speaker 5 (11:46):
I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Here we go. Haunted Honeymoon O'Ryan Pictures starts off with
Larry Abbott and Vicki Pearl as performers on the radio.
Manhattan Mystery Theater.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Has some great video in here too. The music scores
at the beginning is pretty great too. You probably heard
it in the trailer at the end when he says
Haunted Honeymoon, and it's just a great.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Oh exact, but just I'm totally convinced in the first
five ten minutes of the movie that this is a
nineteen thirties nineteen threes radio drama.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
So when I, like I said, as I was doing researching.
When I found out this movie was made in nineteen
eighty six, I was impressed. Oh yeah, absolutely, I was like,
eighty six, I thought this movie was I didn't. I mean,
I knew it wasn't nineteen thirties or forties, but I
was like, I didn't think it was nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
So they did a really good job there. Well, they
love each other, they decide to get married, and of
course the chemistry's there because in real life they love
each other well. Gene Wilder's character Larry, he's been plagued
by these on air panic attacks and it affects his
speech impediment.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
And so did they ever actually think did they ever
actually really say what he was suffering from? Because all
I where is that studio executive there? And I'm like, hey,
look he's doing really good today that you know. The
reporters come and ask questions and he's they're they're answering
about their honeymoon. Hey we get married after this, blah
blah blah. The guy's like, oh he's doing Look, he's

(13:13):
doing really good today. There's nothing to worry about. And
the guy's like, it's not over yet.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
So I thought it was. I never thought it was stuttering.
I thought it was more of a like a panic
attack type thing where he just couldn't get the words
that like hyperventilating type thing.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
And you'll see that later on in the movie too.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, that's true. That's that's what I got it good. Well,
Vicky thinks that it's just pre wedding jitters, but his
affliction can get them both fired because they make their
their living on the radio, so he can't brings up
like that or whatever he problems he has. Larry's uncle,
doctor Paul Abbott, decides that Larry needs to be cured,

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so Paul decides to treat him with a form of
shock therapy. He's going to scare him to death, and
it's kind of like the way somebody would solve your hiccups.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Right, what'd you think of the scene where he's talking
to the studio and he's like, give me well it
was a forty eight hours or seventy two hours and
assumes it on his forehead. It shows like the castle
of the forehead. I was like, what is this?

Speaker 4 (14:20):
You gotta blame Gene Wilder for that one. Oh directed
this movie.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
It was good though. I wasn't expected it.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
So the plan is they're gonna scare Larry. They're gonna
scare him out of his speech impediment.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Have you ever seen a Have you ever seen a
John Wayne's The Cowboys?

Speaker 5 (14:38):
No, I don't like John Wayne. Okay, there's a scene
from the scene a couple of movies, but I haven't
seen that one.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
No, No, there's fun all right. So there's a scene
from The Cowboys where one of the little boys on
the show has a stuttering problem and he's trying to
yell for help, and so John Wayne goes up to
him and just tells him straight out, stop stuttering. You
almost got everybody kill, Like, scares the stutter out of him.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Does it work?

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, he doesn't study the study for the rest of
the movie. Yeah, he just tells him cut it out
and stop. So that's what this reminded me of. They're
gonna scare him his speech at pediment had him. So
Larry chooses a castle like mansion in which he grew
up as the site for their wedding. Do you think
this was a good wedding venue?

Speaker 5 (15:26):
I think it's awesome.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah. I thought I was like, that is so cool? Vicky.
Vicky gets to meet Larry's Etcterric family great aunt Kate,
who plans to leave all of her money to Larry
his uncle.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
I think you forgot something very important there, Jason. Oh,
what's that? You forgot the award that this movie won.
It won award. Let me go ahead, won the award.
Let me go ahead and give you the award that
it won. So Dom Delaise won the award for the
Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Supporting Actress or his performance

(16:07):
in drag As. I didn't think it was that bad.
It was pretty funny, but they did win an award, so.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
It was terrible. It was. I don't know whose decision
it was put Dom Jelaise as the aunt. He plays
it so over the top, like this.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
What wasn't when uh all we I'll go ahead, put
this a little bit piece of tribune here when I
find it. But it's where he's giving the oh here
it is. So the major inspiration for the movie for
GM model was This Old Dark or The Old Dark
House Night, going so far as to feature a passage
of dialogue from the earlier film where this is where
they're at the dinner table. I think because she's like,

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they are all godless here. They used to bring their
women to brazen, lulling creatures in their silks and satins.
They filled the house with laughter and sin, laughter and sin.
And then he's like, I know what of you is

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aware of? And then she's like, one of you is
gonna try to kill me. And then she's like, let's see.
Oh it's great. I love it.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Oh my goodness, that's sad, so sad. Yes, so it
is an award winning movie because dom Jelawe takes home
the Razzie.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
The worst actors.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
That's bad, well, Francis, and let's see Larry's cousin, Charles, Nora, Susan,
the whole family's there, right, They're all there, all present,
They're all ready to go. And let's see. So Paul
begins his tree, right, he begins his treatment of Larry.

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What's the others in on the planet? Unfortunately for all
something more sinister and unexpected its lurking at the Abbotus
State Mansion the pre wedding party, because a real life
version of Larry and Vicky's radio murder mystery. It's got
were wolves in all. So, how do you think they
did on the whole scaring them.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
I think they did. I think they tried to pull up. Now,
my one question I have to you is the one
guy who if you remember when he looks at him
and then like goes dark and his eyes start glowing.
What were they trying to say? Were they trying to
say that he was the werewolf?

Speaker 4 (18:40):
I think he's the werewolf? Okay, yeah, I think he
was the werewolf. I think that's that was the guy.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
He was the word. I just wanted to make sure
that I was thinking the same way you were, because
they kind of put it around different suspects, if you will,
in this movie, because it's the who Done It movie too,
especially when people start dying. But I mean, I like
the the remember when the King Kobra or whatever is
in the top drawer and then they bust in and

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he's like, it's in the top drawer, don't touch it,
don't do it. And he goes in. There's just like
a bunch of a towel wrapped up with a red
tongue or whatever. And you've got the guy, the guy
that I don't know how they did that with the
guy that walked down the wall with the disfigured face.
And that was pretty good too, But you come to
find out it's all part of that magician's box.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
But do you remember what like the little mantra that
he was like taught to like wherever his panic attacks
would start, he would say, oh, there goes my imagination.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Whoops, there goes my imagination. But uh, I think the
two that are probably underrated in this movie is the
butler and the maid. They are hilarious in this whole
thing because when Jeene Wilder and Gilda come at the
beginning and they see the butler and he's and he's

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talking to him and he says he's a little hard
of hearing. And he said, what did you say? Master?
He says always he says, it's just my my fiancee,
she's a little hard of hearing. He's like this way, madam,
And it's a running joke. The rest of the movie
is so funny.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Every time he talks to her, he screams at her.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
Yeah did uh? I think? Also the uh the old
love interest of Larry Uh the part where.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
She says Larry's ex girlfriend.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Yeah, When she says, oh, that's a funny lipstick, what
is it? She's like she's like passion fruit or something,
and she's gilled around hers like, well, quit passionate around
to my fiance. I love this movie.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Sylvia's deal, right, what was her deal?

Speaker 5 (20:43):
I don't know, but she really was Larry Bag.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, that was crazy. And I like how his room.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
I like how like his brother and him are both
like pinning everything on the bidy Like, oh she's she's
just a beast. She always flirts with them and all that.
Those two are very under the maim.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
One of one of my favorite little scenes is where
Geene Wilder is in the basement shot with his legs
sticking out.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yes, because the butler has went down to the basement
and is drinking again. But this is where they killed
there was it third the guy that was supposedly in
the dress or his cousin or whatever, And he's in
the thing and the police have the police see like
a bunch of fake lightning and all that going off
because they're trying to scare Larry. So they have like

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wind machines and they got Gilda Radner in like a
wedding dress flying around.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
And wires and stuff.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Right, But when he goes down and the butlers tries
to choke him to death, but the cousin's feet are
hanging over like the side of this garbage choot and
Jean Wilder is like beating the butler with a bottle,
and the police come down to the cellar and Gene
Walder's got his robe and he puts him out of it.
So it's like that old like Tim Conway Dwarf scene
where the feet or shorter. He's up there and he's like, murder,

(22:04):
I'll kill you, and he's like, oh, I'm just practicing
for my thing. And then you see like one foot
go up in the air and he's like shoving it
back down and he's like he starts beating the butler
again with a bottle because he starts moving, and he's
like he starts rats. The rats down here, they're just bad.
And then both legs go up and it's just so funny.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Uh that to me, that scene right there was by
far the best scene of the man. See that, Like,
you know, you and I always talk about the scene
that sticks out in a movie. Oh, that's the scene
that sticks out in that movie. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
They they've walked away to go back up there, and
he starts showing it murder, Oh kill you. He's like,
I just stain't right.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
No, that's not it. No, that's not it.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
No, I mean this movie, this movie has so many
great scenes, Like I don't know, it's just the part
where he gets scared and he ends up on top
of the moose. Remember, Oh yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
So it kind of bothers me that this movie didn't
do as well as it should have at the theater
because Geene Water had a reputation for making successful movies,
well in successful comedies.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
But I'm trying to remember when his other movies came out.
Was it before this or after this?

Speaker 4 (23:18):
So then his other movies came out way before this.
I think was it way before his career?

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Well, this is the final film of Gilda Radner, so
we know he didn't do much after she died. I
mean he kind of basically just just left acting altogether. Yeah.
I think I remember seeing them on an episode of
a TV show one time, but.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
I mean, yeah, as an older man.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Yeah, just sad man. Because he was so great. I
I wish I would have loved to see what him
and Gilda could have done if she would have not
had it was a breast cancer. I think, yes, well,
what they could have a common because they could have
went down as one of the most famous couples in
Hollywood history with some of the movies they could have

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came out with. And I would have loved to see
what would have else been in his head if he
would have ever teen back up with mel Brooks again.
I mean, you can see all kinds of stuff going
on there.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah, I agree that according to my notes, they fell
in love they were they were making Hanky Panky.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Oh yeah, have you seen Hanky Panky? Yeah, that's a
great it's a great one too.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
So that's where they met and fell in love when
they were filming Hanky Panky eighty two. This movie comes
out eighty six, so this is four years later. So
their their marriage and their love did not last very long.
Did you ever see the world said? This is the
last movie she made.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
The World's Greatest Lover. That's funny too, man, if you've
ever seen the World's Greatest.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
That is a good one. That is one. So but yeah,
so overall, like I said, this one is a really
great movie. I don't understand. I think it's really underrated.
I think it should have done much better at the
movie theater. I don't know if like Ian Walder's just
his comedic run had already run its course by that time,
and so you're looking late in his career.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
I love it. That's all there is to it.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, I don't understand White didn't do as well. It's
a really good movie. So you give me a trivia
for this movie or anything I do I have.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
I have a little bit of movie. So I don't
know if Jason finished a plot, but basically they and
the Dom Delaway's character, I forget her name, Jane. I
think Jane. She has summoned them there, she has changed
her will and everything is going to Larry now. And

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they said the only way that anybody else is going
to get any money is if Larry is dead. So
the subplot of this movie, you have the one guy
that's trying to scare him to death, but you also
have members of his family that are trying to kill
him so they can be part of and get some
of the wealth of the family again.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Right, because Aunt Kate says that's the only way anybody
else can get anybody.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Right, And I think it's very interesting that she only
tells the one guy, uh the older was it her
brother or whatever. She's like, you're the only one that knows.
But now all of a sudden, everybody knows, so right,
So they go through several things of their try to
poison him with a snake bite. They try to uh,

(26:29):
you know, he's when the guy walks down the wall.
As I was talking about this guy like in this
swarm face, he's like, oops, there goes my imagination. I
just have to reach out and touch and he's starting
the face and he starts screaming, and I think that
castle is beautifully a beautiful set piece. But you know,
they have dinner and she's she knows one of them

(26:50):
is a werewolf, and just you know, people end up
dead in the movie. And then he comes to find
out who the werewolf is. And you know, if you
pay attention, you're trying to see who's not in these scenes,
to see who the werewolf could be, because there's some
secret passages in this movie and stuff like that. And

(27:11):
come to find out at the end of the movie,
it's wild.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Bond secret ending? The secret ending is the whole movie
is A radio broadcast was.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
The radio broadcast of Haunted Honeymoon.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Of Haunted Honeymoon. Haunted Honeymoon is a radio broadcast. It's
not a real movie.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Right because Dom Deluiz is in there and he flubs
his lines at the end. Remember they're all laughing or whatever.
And then so so so the end of the movie
shows Gene Wilder and her singing as they're driving away
or whatever. And then you see the gates closed and
you see this figure walking and turns around and it's
the werewolf from the radio broadcast. So very interesting in

(27:55):
it's grace. So a little bit about the trivia.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
I love that. I love that twist at the end,
though I have got me.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Oh yeah, it got me.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
I didn't. I didn't know that it was really a
radio broadcast the whole time.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
No, because so is it a radio broadcast within a
radio broadcast at the beginning, remember, I don't know. It
was great, but uh, like I said, this is the
final film with Guild a Rounder. There's not a lot
of trivia here. All the visual effects were created on
set and in camera. Gene Wilder insisted on using the
same techniques for visual effects that were used in the
nineteen thirties. This also helped to keep the budget down.

(28:30):
In her nineteen eighty nine book It's Always Something. Hey,
that that's the book I got. It's called It's Always Something.
My Eyesight's going away. Yeah, guild A Runner said of
this film on July twenty sixth, nineteen six, Haunted Honeymoon
open nationwide. It was a bomb one month of publicity
and the movie was only in the theaters for a week.
It was only the week. She said. It was a

(28:51):
box office disaster. So maybe it would have done a
little bit better by word of mouth, they would have
kept it in longer than just a week. Who knows,
because word of mouth. I mean, you gotta remember this
in nineteen eighty six, do you remember you used to
either have to call the movie phone line to see
what times movies were playing, or get the newspaper when
it was deliberated for the time to check the time.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I'd be curious to see what other movies came out
that same week.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Why don't you look that up while I'm going through
a little bit more of this trip. Yeah, so July
twenty sixth nine. Yeah, in July twenty sixth, nineteen eighty six,
so that's when it opened nationwide. Jeans. Wilder vision was
to suggest black and white in this film cinematography but
within a color movie, so you can see a little

(29:37):
bit of that. This was the final collaboration between Don
de Luiz and Gene Wilder. The others being The Adventure
of Sherlock Holmes, A Smarter Brother, that's the name of it,
The World's the Greatest Lever, and of course the legendary
Blazing Saddles mel Books movie. This is the final theatrical
feature film of Gene Wilder as a director as well,
so this was his last directorial that happened at the theater,

(30:00):
so the directoral w our final. The location scouting looking
for a suitable mansion was conducted on the East coast
of the US before locals in England and Scotland were scouted.
Sorry locals. In the end, the manor chosen was Nebworth House,
which is situated about an hour's traveling time from London, England.

(30:23):
Major we already talked about that. That's the quote that
he stole from this old dark house. Did you find
a bond? I did?

Speaker 4 (30:30):
I found some. I can understand why it did not
do well.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Some big hitters.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, Yeah, there was a couple of big ones in
July of eighty six. You look at Crocodile, Dundee, Aliens,
Ferris Bueler's Day Off. All came out in the month
of July.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
What a great time for movie fans.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Though.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Look at all those movies you say, I mean, they're
all good.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yeah, other other movies that might have affected It was
like two weeks before that Karate Kid Part two came out,
and after the big hit of Karate Kid, you know,
everybody went out to rush to see Part two. About
a month and a half before that, probably still the
theater was a movie that you might have heard of,
called Top Gun. So I mean, if you're going up

(31:23):
against Top Gun and you're going up against Karate Kid two,
up against you know, just it's just a crazy list.
Oh yeah, go against Aliens, Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yeah yeah. Maybe if they would have they should have
saved it for a Halloween release. I think they might
have done better.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, releasing it in
July for a week, I can see why it didn't
do very well compared to release that thing in October,
right and marketed as a family movie. You know, it
was like a family comedy type.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
This was the third and final film collaboration of Gilda
Radner and Gen Wilder, the others being Hanky Panky from
nineteen eighty two and The Woman in Red in nineteen
eighty four. I love The Woman in Red. Such a
Woman in.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Red's actually pretty good. I didn't see that movie such
a long.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
So good though. Dom Deluiz, of course, was a word
the Golden Raspberry Award for the Worst Supporting Actos, which
we talked about. That's hilarious. I hope he had that
one still on a shelf somewhere. The film's title is
a misnominer, as a couple played by Gilder Radner and
Gen Wilder are not nearly wedds on a honeymoon, but
are about to be married. However, the name of the
episode broadcast on radio during the movie was called Hunted

(32:33):
honey Moon, So, according to the October twelfth, nineteen eighty
four edition of The Hollywood Reporter, man, I remember those.
Gene Wilder brought the picture. We make rights to Metro
Golden Mayer's classic comic mystery movie Haunted Honeymoon aka The
Busman's Honeymoon. Wilder's wife. Gilda Radner played the part played

(32:54):
in the original by Constance Cummings, and Wilder played the
part previously portrayed by Robert Montgomery. So I'd like to
watch that original one to see how that goes. And last,
but not least, Paul Smith and Jonathan Price play father
and son in this movie. But really they are only
eleven years apart in or So that's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
That happens all the time. Man's funny.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
All right, Bond, Let's hear how you feel about this movie.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
This is a good one. This is a good I mean,
you can't go wrong. I'm not gonna say that Gene
Waller is one of my favorite actors of all time,
but he's definitely up in the top. I mean, he's
just a great actor. I think he's one of those
most underrated actors in Hollywood history. I would say just
because he was great. That being said, I don't think

(33:45):
this is one of his greatest movies. And I don't
know if it's because he directed it or he wrote it.
I don't know what what finger he had and where
that messed it up. I don't know if it's casting.
Dom Deelawise as Aunt Kate that messed it up, something
along the line. Best at this movie that made it
a bomb, and.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
You just you just went through a list of movies
that were out at the same time. Yeah, was it
marketing that that let them down?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
It probably was. It probably was. Marketing is probably not
letting the movie, you know, releasing the movie at the
wrong time of the year, releasing it for a week
and then it bombs and so they pull it. All
of those things are a great combination. But I can
name ten other movies with Jean Wilder in it.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
All right, I go, you got ten, let's hear them.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Oh, I should have said four. He's like Willie Wonka
Silver Streak.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Young Frankenstein is probably crazy.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Young Frankenstein blazing Saddles. That's five or six right there,
just off the top of our head. I would say,
Hanky Panky has been Woman Red might be better than this,
might be equal to this one.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
So oh the Cisco Kid is hilarious. That movie's hilarious.
I'm gonna put this movie at about.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
A five bond for You're Fired.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
It's an average movie. And like I said, there's a
couple of scenes that save it. There that's a scene
where he's got the legs?

Speaker 5 (35:27):
Bond, did you laugh at did you even laugh in
this movie?

Speaker 4 (35:30):
I did? I laughed twice.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
What was the other part.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
When he starts to recite his mantra over and over again? Whoops,
my imagination.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
You didn't laugh. When he tells Gilder Radner, he says, Oh,
if you get scared, just come into my bed. And
he rolls over in bed and his dead cousins are there,
and he runs out and he tells the butler, Hey,
you know, cousin whoever is in my bed? He's like,
is he wearing a dress? He's like, as a matter
of fact, he was. But just tell him to leave.

(36:03):
You got a headache? Classic dude class.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
That is pretty good. That is pretty good. Well five
Gene Wilder plays Scared almost better than anyone else. Oh yeah,
his his version of Scared of the producers come. That's great.
Oh yeah, five out of ten. That's I'm giving it
five out of ten. It's one of the lower right
Gene Wilder movies.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Wow. Well, I obviously hold this movie in a higher
regard than Bond.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Does.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
I think that the set, the lighting, the shadows, the costumes.
I think it was all done very well. I love
the entire thing, Like I said, throwback to when I
used to listen to those old radio times with my grandpa.
Maybe that's why it holds a special place in my
heart now that he's dead and gone, that I can
still relive those moments with a movie like this or

(36:56):
even listening to some you can find them on like
a YouTube or world Spotify or something where you can
pull up old time radios shows that they even have
apps that you can do that. I think Dom Deluiz
is funny in this, especially when him and Gilda Radner
do that dance. It's pretty good. I love Gene Wilder,
like I said, he's one of my favorite actors, and

(37:17):
like you said, he plays a scary scary guy probably
better than anybody. I laugh all the time the Butler
and the maid. I laugh every time he starts yelling
because that running joke he does throughout this entire movie.
I laugh every time because she's like, you know, really hilarry.
I was deaf.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Rather's reaction every time's great too.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Oh yeah, and you come to find out that his
his sister's husband, the one that's the magician is has
a gambling problem too. Because he's like, hey, I made
I made twelve thousand dollars this week. She's like, yeah,
but how much did you lose? He's like fourteen thousand.
So obviously they need the money for stuff like that.
But yeah, that scene where he has the legs and

(38:03):
the cops come down to the cellar probably one of
his favorite scenes of all of Gene Wilder that he's
ever done. I can think of a couple with Richard
Pryor that probably top that Young Frankenstein. Obviously, when he
gets smushed into the staircase, push you never out or
never up.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
You know.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
But yeah, it's not no five bond. Its way higher
than I'm going with an eight, I think. I think
this again, I don't think so, sir. If Young Frankenstein's
a ten and uh Blazing Saddle is probably a nine
to five, and uh Willie Wonka it's probably a nine
to two. But it just shows his his range as

(38:44):
an actor.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
You know.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
I'm trying to think, was there ever a serious movie
that Gene Wilder did or was he just straight comedy?
I can't really think of one. Maybe the Woman in Red,
you can say, is a little serious because he's going
to cheat on his wife and that one which is
Gilda Radner with I forget her name, and the woman
a beautiful lady. But I was like, he was a

(39:09):
comedy actor, and I think when you pair him with
Richard Pryor, those two together is just comedy gold. Anyway,
They're both funny on their own, but when you put
them together, you had something. And I wish they would
have done a lot more together too. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
But my brother and I still to this day can
sing the opening song to Stir Crazy when they were
woodpeckers in the bank. No, my brother and I both
know that song. We both sing it to each other
all the time.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Oh man, it's a great one. I mean the scene
no Evil, hear no Evil, And that's probably one of
my favorites too, because it's just funny. But yeah, if
you have not seen this movie, you have to see
this movie at least once.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
I agree, I go out see it, rank it, get
on Facebook.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
I would even go as far as to say as
to buy this movie for your collection, Bond, do you
have it?

Speaker 4 (40:04):
I do have this movie?

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Okay, thank you, I do. He's shaking his head like, no,
don't go by it. But I was like, Bond, do
you have it? He's like, yeah, but here you go.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
I want people to go and I want people to
watch this movie and I want them to rank it.
I want them to rank it. I want them to
put it on Facebook, go to a you know, like it.
Do whatever you need to do, guys out there, and
I want I want like the public's opinion. Is it
a five or is it an eight?

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Or is it somewhere in between five? Eight? Yeah, could
be somewhere in between. I know ADZ and our toast
will have their own their own comments. I'm sure that
we'll hear about. But that is Haunted Honeymoon, obviously a
lesser known Gene Wilder movie, but one of my favorites.
So if you like what you heard, we are the
Tragedy of Cinema podcast. We are trucking right along now

(40:56):
with over I don't know, four hundred and five episodes,
whatever it is. Now we got a lot more stuff
planned for the future, which is going to be some
fun stuff. So hopefully you guys are having a good
week and hopefully make you laugh just a little bit. Uh,
Bond's coming aboard and he's doing a really good job.
So Bond You're no Kyle, but you're all right in

(41:18):
a pinch.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
I only have four hundred episodes to catch up.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
Right to perfect your craft. So well, with that being said,
I think this episode's coming to a close and that's
wrap and cut.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
The cinema will then Marie Shimma join us as we
toast to the tail sweeting up the most.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Upset them.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
Then join us week toast through the tails we love the.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Most most, we love the most.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
The tragedy of seen them.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
They shimmer. So ask if we talk strough the tails
we love the most, to the tails we love the most, tragedy, I.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Say, the mod them.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Marie Schiller join a sets me toast to tells we
love the most to the flf feel of the post,
to the fel's feel of the coast.
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