July 2, 2025 • 41 mins
Jimbo and Bond kick off the summer of sequels with Teen Wolf Too starring Jason Bateman. We hope you have a howling good time!
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
On lights, shingles, job say slights eighty three, Lights in
the realm can light the movies and TV foo.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Through the story We on you. Soa screen tails a
fool in the magic state of the City, Cinema very shimmer.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
So we tell stud that tells we love the Jason
Bateman is too Wolf too. Todd Howard is a regular guy,
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all right back with a couple of problems. Just hit
me with the dead frog j just like his cousin Scott.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Feeling a little thrill in there, buddy.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
The good news is he's going to college.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
This fine young man there is. Our hopes are dreams.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Into the ring. The bad news is he's going through
a few changes.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And when you do change, I'm gonna be there to
take you straight to the top.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I don't howl, you don't see anythings.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Do yet, It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Sometimes the answer to all your problems is staring you
right in the face. All right, to woke to strange born.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of Cinema podcast.
I'm your Jimbo and I'm your co host Bond Bond.
Today we are kicking off our summer of sequels with
one of the best worst all time sequels.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
A movie that falls right into the I thought that
this was much better the first time I saw it.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh man, I used to I wore our vh You'd
go to Blockbuster and with these bad boys, and man,
I used to watch this, so I liked it better
than the original Teen Wolf back in the day. But
before we get dive down that Harry trail, I got
a question for you, Bond Bond. What is your top
three Wolf movies? Of all time. Top three wolf movies
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of all time. Let's see. You gotta go with.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
American Werewolf in London, absolutely far number one.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, I gotta go with The wolf Man with von
Cheney Chaney.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Okay, that's number three, that's number three. What about the Howling?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Good movie? Is a good movie? Good movie?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Those are I think those are my top three.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Those are your top three. So what about you? Well,
you know, there's there's been a lot of wolf movies.
Dog Soldiers comes to mind. What was that? What was that?
What's it called the Monster Squad? Wolf Man's got nerds? Right? No,
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I kid, it's gotta be. You gotta put the original
wolf Man up there. You just have to. I mean that,
that whole universal stretch with all those movies was just fantastic.
Teen Wolf's really good too. The first one. It was different.
This one was different too, but not in a good way.
I'm sure ads Evil chime into some point and be like, oh,
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I hated that movie. So but yeah, and and to
me now bonding my crazy here thinking this, but the
makeup on this Teen Wolf wasn't as good as the
makeup in the first one. Would you agree or disagree?
Speaker 6 (05:10):
I would agree, you could tell it's makeup. Stop showing
a close up of his nose.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's good, right, But I mean I did like there
was some cool practical fans with like the bubbles on
his head and stuff. Those were pretty cool, right, remember
when here cool? His nails were cool too, and his things.
But then you know they got him out there catching
frisbees in the top hat. Fuck terrible, terrible. Let's look
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at this one man is take it away?
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Wolf?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Huh take it away?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
This is Teenwolf two t o oh as in Teenwolf
also Beanwolf, also teen Wolf two nineteen eighty seven. It's
a fantasy comedy film directed by Christopher Elitit from a
script written by Timothy Kring. It is the sequel to
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Teen Wolf nineteen eighty five. It is eighty seven second
installment overall for the teen Wolf franchise, featuring his film
debut Jason Bateman as Michael J. Fox's cousin. This movie
is written by Jeff Joseph Loeb, the third. You know
Jeff Lobe because he was a writer for the TV show.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Lost Love Lost. That's one of my all time favorite
TV shows, Smallville, Superman's my favorite, and also the movie
Commando wow Old Arnold. So what happened Jeff? Okay, all
those stuff. You gotta remember the lost all that was
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way later than nineteen eighty seven. They'll get that's like
early two thousands, true, but he had time to grow.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Jeff Lobe. When I saw this name, I was like,
I've heard of this. I've seen this before. He is
a legendary comic book writer, right yeah, I mean Jeff
log is one of the best comic book writers of
all time. So that's his end for small Bill. I
don't know what happened with this one. I don't know
if he was just getting his paws wet.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I don't know what's going on. Boom boom. It was.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
It was produced by Kent Bateman, Jason Bateman's father.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh well, that explains a lot in the movie industry,
we call that nepotism. Yep. Oh no, no, he was
just the best. He was just the best actor that
tried out for it.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
And so, okay, Jason Bateman. Jason Bateman plays Todd Howard,
the main character of the movie. No, you know, Jason Bateman,
he's a famous actor man.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You know, he's got in development, He's gotten better over
the years too. I agree. Did you see that movie?
A chance to watch Ozark?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But did you ever see the movie? Was it? Uh?
Was it?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Was?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
That?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
The name of it? Where him and his friends go
out on the Yes, that is a great movie. When
he gets shot and his wife's porn the alcohol and
his wound and she gives me that dog squeaker toy
to put in his mouth. Hilarious date. That's a great movie. Man.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
If you ever have a chance to watch Ozark, watch it.
It's a beautifully filmed TV series. It's filmed all behind
like a blue screen kind of thing, like a blue
tint It's really creepy. It's really scary, really suspenseful stuff. Man.
It's a totally different role than he's used to playing.
He's used to playing like a comedy role. In this one,
he plays a man who's like beyond his means and
it's just trying to catch up. He actually got an
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early role in Little House on the Prairie. He must
have been just a little kid back then. He's also
in Horrible Bosses, Identity Thefts. So one of the major
voices in the movie is Zouotopia. He plays the fox
in Zootopia and I don't know if you saw this movie.
This movie came out last year. It was a movie
called carry On, Huh twenty twenty four. It's an excellent movie.
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Check that one out. Carry On with Jason Bateman. It's
all about the the airport and the like the ATF
screening and stuff like that. It's really good, suspenseful. This
movie also stars Kim Darby as Professor Tanya Brooks. She
is known for two big roles. I thought she's known
in the movie True Grit, she plays the little girl
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and True Grit, and so I don't know what happened
between True Grit and she.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Got a flat Top.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
And she plays the mom in Better Off Dead. Yep,
so there you go. I love I Love Better Off Dead.
John Aston as Dean Donne. You know, come Gomez Friday
European Vacation. He's the father of Sean Aston, but everyone
knows him as as Adam exactly man exactly so he uh.
(10:02):
He did a great job in this movie. Paul Sad
as Coach Bob Finn Finn Stock. He was in the
Barbari streisand movie main event. James Hampton was Uncle Harold Howard.
He was in f Troops The Door Stay Show, and
he's one of the only two actors to reprise his
role from the original Teen Wolf. So he plays the dad, right,
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He plays the dad and Teen Wolf and the uncle
in this one, Uncle Howard. The other guy that repraised
reprised his role. Chubb was Mark Houlton Chubby Chubbs. He
was in Teen Wolf.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
He's also in Pee Wee, Pee's Bigger, The Bike's Not
for Sale, Francis. He is so awkward in that movie.
I love it so much, especially when he's taking the
bath and the big old indoor swimming pool and Pee Wee.
Was so awkward, but I love it. He's also in
the movie Leprechaun.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Yeah, and he was also in a League of their Own.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Movies.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
We also have a sty Chandler as Nicky, Stuart Fratkin
as Rupert Styles. He was in a lot of eighties comedies,
Ski School, he was on TV a lot of one shots,
Facts Alive, Golden Girls, all those kind of thing. He's
not the same Styles from the first movie.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I know, man, what happened? What happened?
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Why would they even bother having Styles in this movie.
If it's not the same.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Styles, maybe it's Styles as Cousin.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Yeah, Miles, I don't know what. Robert Neary as Steve
Gus Gustafson. He's the bully, right, he's a bit, He's
a big bully. Bethan Miller is Lisa Goldfuss, Rachel Sharp
as Emily William is Pug, and there's a few others,
but those are the main ones, main ones really. Jason
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Bateman in this one was Jason Bateman's first movie ever,
and it shows yep.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I don't think he did so bad. I think it's
the makeup that was made it bad.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I think it's the makeup and the story. But we'll
get into that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Hey.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
This movie debuted November twentieth, nineteen eighty seven. It's ninety
four minutes long, made here in the US of a
music by Mark Goldenberg, distributed by Atlantic Releasing Corporation. This
movie had a budget of four million dollars in nineteen
eighty seven, which translates to eleven million today.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I wonder what they spent that on.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
It wasn't makeup effects. I can tell that it's right now.
It was probably just the music rights to get some
of those songs. Probably it did make a profit, Sir.
The box office seven point nine million, which in today's
movie would be twenty two million. So it I don't
know about promotions, but it doubled its money.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, but I was gonna say it's they didn't have
Facebook and all that bat remember Bond, It was word
of mouth or or newspaper reviews. You didn't have. Oh
this movie's terrible, don't go see it. He was like, oh,
Team Wolf two, I'm in. I liked the first one,
and then people must not have told their friends how
bad it was.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Exactly exactly. So here's what Team Wolf two is all about.
Man Todd Howard, the cousin of Scott Howard, Michael J.
Fox's character in the first movie, has recently been accepted
into Hamilton University on a full athletic.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Scholarship as a freshman.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
As a freshman, right on the recommendation of coach Bobby Flintstock,
who was Scott's basketball coach at Beacontown High. His hope
is that Todd has the same family jeens to become
a werewolf and turn the struggling boxing team into a
championship contender. So right there, if I'm in the executive boardroom,
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and that's the plot they're pitching. I'm already out.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't kid it.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
I'm already lost. Jimbo, I'm already lost. Here's a college
whose future depends on a freshman boxing team.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Right, and who majors in girls cheerleading said on his
sex I don't I don't get it. Hey bye bond
can you uh? Can you hum us? A few bars
of the Hamilton College theme song or whatever that say,
Oh Hambleton, that's right, I forgot that.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
The opening scene is like the theme from college Awesome.
Oh man, I wish I did. I wish I'd written
that down in a second. The theme song, the school
fight song, the school song for beacon to or for
a Hamilton University is the best part of Hamilton University.
Maybe the dean is pretty cool, but any college whose
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life or death is based on whether or not a
the college freshman can pull the boxing team up.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Was like the boxing thing like a big deal for him.
I guess like it was it like a he was
sick of getting beat year after year? Is that what
it was? Or something?
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Well, they didn't have a football team, a baseball team,
a soccer team, something else. This whole college, like their
whole future rest on. The boxing team didn't even though
collegees had boxing.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Teams, it probably don't.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Behind well, hey, Hamilton University does, and it is the
lynch pin of their sports program. Now, Todd's never been
good at sports. He wants to be a veterinarian, which
I thought was kind of funny, kind of ironic. Right, Yeah,
he is certain that fin Stocks made the you know,
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he's got the wrong guy. He doust have picked the
wrong person. Something must have went wrong. They have a
meet and greet at the school with the alumni. It's
like a little banquet thing. It's more kind of like
a Southern banquet kind of, you know, gala, if you will.
And while he's dancing with the good looking girl in
the movie, he starts to wolf out his first time
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he's wolfing. She's like she's forced, she's forced to dance
with him, and he starts sweating. And I love the
line where she says, you sure do sweat a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well, And then if you if you see the girl
that was with her, I don't know if it was
her sister or whatever. And the principal, I think it
was principal or that says, well, you're dancing with them next,
like a.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Dirty look, and he's like, I don't know what you're
laughing about. You're dancing with them next.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But but he is. He has kind of fell for
this quiet biology partner of his at this point, because
she comes to that gala thing too, and when he
starts dancing with the other girls, she's kind of jealous. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Yeah, he's got like a little would be uh biology
major girlfriend. That's uh probably Kim Darby. No, Kim Darby's
a professor, Sorry about that, but yeah, he's got this
little girlfriend. He starts to wolf out. They do, I
guess a semi decent job of showing him turning into
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a wolf. His nails get long.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
That's pretty good. Nails get longer and sharper, and then
he looks in the tuba.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah, the tuba. That was a good special effect.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I think it was.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Showing it like the reflection of his of his transformation
in the in the.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Edge and then he turned around. You're like, oh, never mind, Yeah,
they should have just kept it like that.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
And it's kind of like run out real quick, all Harry.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah. So something that bothers me about this movie, and
it bothered me about.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Me about the first team Wolf. Why does no one
run out screaming? Why is no one shocked to see
somebody turn into a werewolf? Everybody's fine with it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, maybe these they've heard the stories, because then you know,
the stories have been going around because if you remember,
in the s of the coach's office, he does have
a picture of Michael J. Fox when he was in
the basketball program and his wolf outfit on the wall.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And nobody nobody's How does that not make national news?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
How does it not where wolf where wolves exist and
play basketball, wherewolves exist and they are now playing you
know now?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And how come you don't have any hunters coming to
get him, like and Harry and the Henderson where they're
going to try to shoot and kill him and be like, haha,
we got it, we can dissect him now.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Study them nothing. Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Hey, he's there to win the boxing match.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
He wolfs out at the dance right. He hates it.
He does not want to be a wolf. He's horrified
by his family's affliction. He his fellow students begin harassing
him until his first boxing match. He's on the boxing team. Somehow,
Chubbs is on the boxing team too.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I love him.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Chubbs is very athletic. He's on the basketball team. In
the first movie, he's on the boxing team.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And this. Yeah, but the first movie he was in
only in high school. This is college. He's he's grown up.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
So he's made the college team. That's what you're saying. Yeah,
he's made the cut. He's officially on the college team,
the boxing team, but Chubbs is on the team too.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Michael J.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Fox's character he gets into the ring. Todd gets into
the ring and he's knocked out almost.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
That's not Michael J. Fox, there, buddy, that's Jason Bateman.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Jason Bateman. Thanks man, Jason Bateman. He gets in the
ring and he's almost knocked out. He gets knocked down
to the floor. They're counting him down and he's uh.
He turns into the wolf. His eyes turned red. He
turns into wolf this time for some reason. If you
turn into a wolf, you're really good at boxing.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
He jumps like, way up in the air, you're really
good at boxing.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
And so he comes from behind he's able to knock
the other guy out. He wins, and then everybody in
the college is great with him being a wolf. Now,
like that's great. I'm glad that he's a wolf and
he can box. But see he seems excited because he
got exactly what he wanted to.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But see Styles, that's the reason Styles came to the
college because he was getting all that money from the
high schoolers. And he's like, hey, I can be roommates
with this guy. And he's got the same issue. If
you will, if turning into a wolf, I can capitalize this,
sell t shirts, sell merchandise, which he does. But I
do think I do think if we go back to
the towards the beginning the movie, where Styles has basically
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signed him up for all these classes like women's cheerleading
and culinary whatever. There's a list of him and he
goes to get a change, and the like three people
in front of him, like the lady's like, nobody gets
their schedule changed. And the next guy comes up there.
She's like, what do you want? And he's like he
just walks away, and he gets up there, he's like, look,
I need to get this change. She just looks at
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him and then he gets that eye glow and his
voice kind of deeper, and she changes it for him.
I think they did a really good job with that too,
with his eyes. At certain times, I thought that was
really well done too.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Yeah, the mission lady, she gets the evil eye and
she changes it right away. She's a jerk though she
doesn't let anybody change classes.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Everybody lines, he goes, that wasn't that hard.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
But it's the same. It's the same scene from the
first movie.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yep. In the first movie, Michael J. Fox goes to
buy beer.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Give me a keg of beer, Give me a keg
of beer, right his eyes for it. In this one,
it's like, I need to change my classes. Okay, okay,
it's the same exact scene.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yep. He's a wolf. Now he's a wolf, and everybody
knows chicks dig Harry guys. Well, let me beat him
off with a stick there, bond because I look like
taskquatch when I take my shirt off.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I don't seem to have a problem with that. He uh,
he's a hit with the ladies all of a sudden,
All of a sudden, all the ladies love him. The
scene where he sings the song he comes out at
the party do you love Red Disco shirt? And he sings, yeah,
do you love me?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The part I always loved when I was a kid.
Is when he slides down the like the the lanyrens,
you know, all the way down to the bottom of
that which reminded me of Karate Kid too, when he's
over in Okinawa and he slides down, the bad guy
slide down and they fight on that little thing. That's
what that reminds of. But I always love this scene.
When I was a kid, little ten year old, mean
loved this movie. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Well, little ten year old, you must have loved that
singing scene, because that scene killed me. I was like, Okay,
I'll buy that you're a wolf. I'll buy that you're
on the boxing team, but a wolf and start like
singing do you love Me? And like did you notice
all the girls in the background had the same choreography?
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He knew the move So this is something they practiced
before the party because they were all dancy and they
all had.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
The same moves.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
And I'm like, wait a minute, how do they know
what to do?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
In the background?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Man, Well, Jason Bateman becomes a jerk, yes, and he
stops going to classes.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
He stops going to classes. He stopped He starts ignoring
his uh biology barner s the picnic girlfriend, right, mm hmm. Yeah,
he starts to ignore his girl friend, he starts to
ignore his classes.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
He's becomes a jerk, and he's become mister popularity. Like
I remember when he Styles sows the frisbee and he
goes running out there and catches it in his mouth
and brings it back. He signed an autographs. Styles has
got the shirts, you know, sewing the shirts and all
that now too. So they're and they're excited, they're they're
they've got a chance at the boxing championship. True.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
But remember the scene where he goes to play miniature golf.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Oh yeah, and he.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Starts to that, starts to rub people the wrong way
because it's like he's showing off.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Now.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
He's like, we just want to play and have fun.
We just want to play some miniature golf. And he's like,
you know, let me show you how this is done.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Is that come with the popularity or is that is
that part.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Of the werewolf? I don't know, maybe both. Yeah, is
it part of becoming a werewolf, because you wouldn't have
the popularity without the werewolf? True, Well, like you said,
the big championship fights coming up, and he decides that,
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you know what, I'm going to fight this fight.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Not as the Wolf. I'm going to fight it as
Todd Howard.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Well, you see that scene where he calls his uncle
and he's really struggling. He's like, look, I don't know
what's going on. I don't know how to handle this anymore.
You know, it's overtaking me. I'll become a jerk. And
he's like, I don't know what to do. And he's like, basically, hey,
be yourself. And so that's what you apologize to his girlfriend,
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and so nobody knows. You don't know that he's not
going to come out as the wolf, but if you've
seen the first movie, it's the same because he comes
out like the boxers do, with the hood over his face,
you know, exactly.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
And maybe that's one of the reasons. One of the
problems that you and I have with this movie is
it follows the first movie too closely. There's so many
scenes that are exactly like the first one that there's
no originality to it. But he decides, hey, I'm going
to fight this one as Todd instead of the wolf.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And how does that go? Not too well? It didn't
start off very good at all. No, he realizes that
he's not gonna do it. He's not gonna win, right,
But his uncle had given him some advice that you
don't know really what it is. But they start practicing
that night or whatever. He said, I'll drive up there
and practice with you or whatever true true.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
And then meanwhile, off to the side, you have the professor,
the professor Tanya Brooks, she's uh. She goes over there
and she's talking to the dean and you find out
that she's a wolf.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
At that foxy tail on.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Yeah, she had the dress and her little her little
tail comes out and starts wagging.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I tell you why, man, I've never the Probably the
one of the funniest parts of this movie is when
Chubbs is that ring side, see's that little nut and
he throws it over and hits the bell.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Yeah, and he grabs that little nut. Just keep fighting,
just keep fighting, oh man. Todd's losing round after around, right,
He's almost knocked out. He's tempted to become the wolf
until he looks in the crowd sees Nikki, his would
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be girlfriend, and she says, I love you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yep, she mouths the.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Words I love you to him and love conquers all.
He's able to get his strength back and he knocks
him out and wins the boxing match and saves the college,
saves the college. Isn't that amazing? Is that a great ending?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Amazing?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yes, it is. This is a great one.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Man.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I can't I can't believe that it only got an
eight on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
An eight? An eight? What was the audience score on
Rotten Tomatoes? Though, Let's see if I can find that.
It can't be much better anyway, But we'll go ahe
and talk around some trivia. I really love Chubbs in
this movie, man is. He's funny, especially when he goes
for his first boxing match. He's hugging the guy, picking
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him up and slamming him and stuff. But there's not
a lot of information. Like I said, But one of
the reasons Michael J. Fox has refusal to reprise his
role in this was that he had no desire to
go through the process of getting into the makeup to
play the werewolf again. It was just too much for him.
And I can't blame that did look different, like, I
don't know, like the hair on his arms and everything,
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you know, I mean, maybe because he played basketball and
he had more skin showing. Maybe that's why it looked better.
But other than that, but I would I wonder. I
wonder if it would have been any different with Michael J.
Fox instead of Jason Bateman. You think it would have
made more money.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
I think it would have been better. I don't think
the plot would have been better. I don't think the
movie itself would have been better, but I think.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, Michael J. Fox could have been like, I'm not
doing that. We're gonna do something else, you know. Yeah,
But when Todd is looking through styles of stuff, he
finds a teen Wolf nineteen eighty five t shirt from
the first film, which is pretty cool. That's cool, all right,
Bond here you go. We wish they would have made
this because I'm about ready to tell you something that's
gonna blow your mind. Alyssa Milano, you know who that is? Yes,
(29:18):
I do. From Who's the Boss? And from Who's the Boss? Yeah.
She was scheduled to do a third film about a
teen Wolf girl. Yes, playing football in high school. Yes,
she wants to receive help from her father Scott and
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uncle Todd, but the poor performance from this film canceled
those plans. Ain't that a shame? We could have had
a Lissa Milano teen Girl Wolf.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Oh Man, teen Wolf three.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Teen Wolf Girl playing football, and you bring back Michael J. Funk,
Jason Bateman. You bring them both back, and Chubs better
be on the football team too.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Yeah, Styles, you Chubbs as the coach.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
We could still do it. I think it'd still be great.
You know what, you can have Chubs movie. You can
have Chubbs as kids and Styles as kids be on
the football team or and selling concessions and all that too.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Exactly, you have you have Styles, Styles as kids are
selling concessions, Chubbs as kids are on the football team.
I'd go as far as to say Team Wolf three
would have saved Team Wolf two.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
If you could have tied it all together, absolutely, if
you could have got Michael J. Fox trilogy, and you
wouldn't even had to have Michael J. Fox in full
wolf costume. You could have just had him with his
eyes glowing or something, or even like they did this
with the tael But you could have just maybe he
did his face once like the uncle did in this
one when he was driving. I would have just had
I would just had him getting mad at the coach
once his eyes go red. Yeah, there you go. But uh,
(30:56):
I think it would have been good man, think of
Lis Milano. What might have been that was worth us
doing this whole episode over finding that fact. You know,
he talked about the two people that reprise their roles,
all right. When Coach Finstock looks at Todd's registration card
at the beginning of the film, his information and course
schedule can be seen, and it is as follows. Name
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is Todd Howard. He was born November twenty third, nineteen
sixty nine. I wonder if that was a Black Friday.
His ID number was five four six two two ten
thirty nine. The dorm was Rimbant Hall. And here you go.
Here's the courses that Styles had signed him up for.
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Are you ready okay?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
One of it was French cuisine.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Uh well, there's girls, volleyball, candle making, French a French
slash chef's uh bg, and fencing that's okay, oh man.
Rod Daniel, the director of the original Teen Wolf, stated
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that he was never a pro even approached to return
as the director for this sequel. He also said he
had never seen Teenwolf two and never wanted to. I
wonder if that was part of the problem too, and
it didn't have the same director, it could be I
don't know to be.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
I mean, well, if you don't have the same director,
you don't have the same writers, and you don't have
the same star, why don't you bother making a second movie?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Why do you remake movies today that don't need to
be remade? Exactly? And here you go. This picture was
released during an early mid nineteen eighty cycle of werewolf movies.
Tell me if you've seen these movies there bond. These
include wolfin from nineteen eighty one. I'm gonna have to
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say no, that's how familiar. But I'd be lying if
I said, yeah, The Howling nineteen eighty one. Of course,
teen Wolf from nineteen eighty five. Of course, Hawling two,
your sister is a werewolf.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
I think I have seen that one. I think I
have seen that one.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Full Moon High in nineteen eighty one. No, of course,
teen Wolf two in eighty seven, The Company of Wolves
in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
I wonder if that's the Little Red Riding Hood one.
There's one that's like a spinoff, Little Red writing.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Hood Howling three in nineteen eighty seven. I think I
might have given up on Howling by then, and an
American Werewolf in London in nineteen eighty one, which was
the best werewolf movie ever made. And so that's all
the trivia I had. Like I said, there wasn't a lot.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Okay, So here's something I found just now. I'm looking
at the movie poster for teen Wolf.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Two.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Freshmen have always had trouble adjusting to college life, but
never like this. Justin Bateman, Todd Howard is leaning on
a stack of books college books.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Do you see what they say?
Speaker 6 (33:54):
You see the titles? They say, Veterinary Medicine, State Leash Laws,
Hair Care for Men are just some of the book
titles that I see on this stack.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
What's that second books? Yeah, on the prow.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
So all the all the books right there are like
secretly like just wear wolf and animal related books, which
I thought was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I dare say that the the skin of the fur
on the sands there look better there than they do
in the movie.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
I don't know why they didn't use the the movie
poster guy as the as the makeup artist.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
So overall rating and review, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Man? All right?
Speaker 6 (34:34):
Man?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
If I'm looking at man, this is the first time
I've seen this. Man, it's been thirty years. Probably. Yeah.
I loved it when I was a kid. I know
I did. And you go back and you look at
it with fresh eyes and everything you've seen now, and
it was a hard watch. It really was. And uh,
(34:57):
I hate to say that. I think Chubbs was probably
the best part of the movie. Him and Uncle Howard
did a good job. Again, we didn't even talk about
did you just slap me with a dead frog? Remember
what they were doing the biology class, And that's true.
They have a frog fight. I was like, wow, yeah, man.
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So the special effects, there were some good special effects.
Other times it was it was like his finished product
just looked bad. I'm gonna have man, I'm gonna have
to give it probably a four and a half stars
out of ten just from this, just from nostalgia that
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that's part of ten year old me hanging on.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Okay, I agree with you that when I was a kid,
this movie was great. When I was a kid, I
love this movie. I, like you said, went to Blockbuster
rented this sucker.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Was upset when it was all rented.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Oh yeah, because they were all they were all gone
by the time I got there Friday night.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Absolutely so, nostalgia.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Wise, it's a great movie. Today it's hard to watch.
It's really really bad that the singing is bad.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Hamilton was the best part of the movie, exactly.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
The the whole plot of the movie. You have to
use boxing to save your college, and no one's ever
upset or worried that there's this wolf running around. It
doesn't phaze anybody. The fact that teenage girls are attracted
to guys who could turn into a werewolf is creepy
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and weird. It's not good. It's not good at all.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, well,
maybe he wasn't a team, but if he was a freshman,
he was probably still a teenager.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Yeah, okay, So one thing you just mentioned was the
fact that American Wolf and London was made in nineteen
eighty one. The special effects in that movie are some
of the best werewolf special effects of all time. They
had him transforming into a wolf in bright light in
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the middle of the living room. So don't tell me
the special effects and makeup weren't available in nineteen eighty seven.
They were. It's just the makeup so bad you could
see it caked on.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I wonder if they had the same special effects as
the Department as the first one.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
I would be surprised if they did. I mean the
first one, the special effects, the makeup and stuff wasn't great,
but it wasn't distractingly bad like it wasn't this one, right,
you gave it a four and a half. I'm gonna
go lower. I'm gonna say probably a three and a
half or four at the mines. I can't give it
a I can't say this is an average five movie.
This is way below average. Yeah, that being said, if
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you haven't seen.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
It, let us know if you have not seen this movie,
or if you have watched it in thirty something years
like I have.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Oh yes, I agree one hundred percent. If you remember
this movie as a kid, go back and watch it now.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Right, that is your homework. But see now, I'm gonna
say this and this is like the Masters of the
Universe movie. I love that movie. I can watch that
movie now and I still get a kick out of
it because that's my childhood and with Dolph Lungern as
he man. I'm excited about the new one coming out,
but I can watch that and enjoy it for what
it is. This it's different, you know, it's just different.
(38:35):
But I'm glad I watched it again because it's been
so long and just going down memory lane, it was
well worth another watch.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Eighties comedies are always the best comedies. Man, that's my child.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
And don't get me wrong, I will take this movie
over some of that junk they put out these days. Anyway.
I agree, So it's not it can't be that bad, Bond,
all right? Then I raise it up to note, Oh
you're going to five and a half? What? Well, thanks
for joining us for our first summer of sequels. Our
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next summer of sequels is by far and away a
way better movie than this one.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Bond.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Would you like to tell the people what the next
Summer of sequel movie is going to be?
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Turn the lights down, put your headphones on, might a candle?
Our next Summer Sequels review will be Friday the thirteenth,
Part three in three.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
D Jason gets his mask. Well, thanks for listening. We
hope you had a good time. Let us know what
you think of this movie. We're on Facebook. We'll post
something on there and see if you guys agree or disagree.
But with that being said, I think this episode's coming
to a close. And that's a wrap and cut the
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Feeling a little thrill in there, buddy.
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Speaker 2 (02:56):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of Cinema podcast.
I'm your Jimbo and I'm your co host Bond Bond.
Today we are kicking off our summer of sequels with
one of the best worst all time sequels.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
A movie that falls right into the I thought that
this was much better the first time I saw it.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh man, I used to I wore our vh You'd
go to Blockbuster and with these bad boys, and man,
I used to watch this, so I liked it better
than the original Teen Wolf back in the day. But
before we get dive down that Harry trail, I got
a question for you, Bond Bond. What is your top
three Wolf movies? Of all time. Top three wolf movies
(03:44):
of all time. Let's see. You gotta go with.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
American Werewolf in London, absolutely far number one.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, I gotta go with The wolf Man with von
Cheney Chaney.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Okay, that's number three, that's number three. What about the Howling?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Good movie? Is a good movie? Good movie?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Those are I think those are my top three.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Those are your top three. So what about you? Well,
you know, there's there's been a lot of wolf movies.
Dog Soldiers comes to mind. What was that? What was that?
What's it called the Monster Squad? Wolf Man's got nerds? Right? No,
(04:32):
I kid, it's gotta be. You gotta put the original
wolf Man up there. You just have to. I mean that,
that whole universal stretch with all those movies was just fantastic.
Teen Wolf's really good too. The first one. It was different.
This one was different too, but not in a good way.
I'm sure ads Evil chime into some point and be like, oh,
(04:53):
I hated that movie. So but yeah, and and to
me now bonding my crazy here thinking this, but the
makeup on this Teen Wolf wasn't as good as the
makeup in the first one. Would you agree or disagree?
Speaker 6 (05:10):
I would agree, you could tell it's makeup. Stop showing
a close up of his nose.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's good, right, But I mean I did like there
was some cool practical fans with like the bubbles on
his head and stuff. Those were pretty cool, right, remember
when here cool? His nails were cool too, and his things.
But then you know they got him out there catching
frisbees in the top hat. Fuck terrible, terrible. Let's look
(05:36):
at this one man is take it away?
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Wolf?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Huh take it away?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
This is Teenwolf two t o oh as in Teenwolf
also Beanwolf, also teen Wolf two nineteen eighty seven. It's
a fantasy comedy film directed by Christopher Elitit from a
script written by Timothy Kring. It is the sequel to
(06:02):
Teen Wolf nineteen eighty five. It is eighty seven second
installment overall for the teen Wolf franchise, featuring his film
debut Jason Bateman as Michael J. Fox's cousin. This movie
is written by Jeff Joseph Loeb, the third. You know
Jeff Lobe because he was a writer for the TV show.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Lost Love Lost. That's one of my all time favorite
TV shows, Smallville, Superman's my favorite, and also the movie
Commando wow Old Arnold. So what happened Jeff? Okay, all
those stuff. You gotta remember the lost all that was
(06:45):
way later than nineteen eighty seven. They'll get that's like
early two thousands, true, but he had time to grow.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Jeff Lobe. When I saw this name, I was like,
I've heard of this. I've seen this before. He is
a legendary comic book writer, right yeah, I mean Jeff
log is one of the best comic book writers of
all time. So that's his end for small Bill. I
don't know what happened with this one. I don't know
if he was just getting his paws wet.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I don't know what's going on. Boom boom. It was.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
It was produced by Kent Bateman, Jason Bateman's father.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh well, that explains a lot in the movie industry,
we call that nepotism. Yep. Oh no, no, he was
just the best. He was just the best actor that
tried out for it.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
And so, okay, Jason Bateman. Jason Bateman plays Todd Howard,
the main character of the movie. No, you know, Jason Bateman,
he's a famous actor man.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You know, he's got in development, He's gotten better over
the years too. I agree. Did you see that movie?
A chance to watch Ozark?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But did you ever see the movie? Was it? Uh?
Was it?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Was?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
That?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
The name of it? Where him and his friends go
out on the Yes, that is a great movie. When
he gets shot and his wife's porn the alcohol and
his wound and she gives me that dog squeaker toy
to put in his mouth. Hilarious date. That's a great movie. Man.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
If you ever have a chance to watch Ozark, watch it.
It's a beautifully filmed TV series. It's filmed all behind
like a blue screen kind of thing, like a blue
tint It's really creepy. It's really scary, really suspenseful stuff. Man.
It's a totally different role than he's used to playing.
He's used to playing like a comedy role. In this one,
he plays a man who's like beyond his means and
it's just trying to catch up. He actually got an
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early role in Little House on the Prairie. He must
have been just a little kid back then. He's also
in Horrible Bosses, Identity Thefts. So one of the major
voices in the movie is Zouotopia. He plays the fox
in Zootopia and I don't know if you saw this movie.
This movie came out last year. It was a movie
called carry On, Huh twenty twenty four. It's an excellent movie.
(09:00):
Check that one out. Carry On with Jason Bateman. It's
all about the the airport and the like the ATF
screening and stuff like that. It's really good, suspenseful. This
movie also stars Kim Darby as Professor Tanya Brooks. She
is known for two big roles. I thought she's known
in the movie True Grit, she plays the little girl
(09:22):
and True Grit, and so I don't know what happened
between True Grit and she.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Got a flat Top.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
And she plays the mom in Better Off Dead. Yep,
so there you go. I love I Love Better Off Dead.
John Aston as Dean Donne. You know, come Gomez Friday
European Vacation. He's the father of Sean Aston, but everyone
knows him as as Adam exactly man exactly so he uh.
(10:02):
He did a great job in this movie. Paul Sad
as Coach Bob Finn Finn Stock. He was in the
Barbari streisand movie main event. James Hampton was Uncle Harold Howard.
He was in f Troops The Door Stay Show, and
he's one of the only two actors to reprise his
role from the original Teen Wolf. So he plays the dad, right,
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He plays the dad and Teen Wolf and the uncle
in this one, Uncle Howard. The other guy that repraised
reprised his role. Chubb was Mark Houlton Chubby Chubbs. He
was in Teen Wolf.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
He's also in Pee Wee, Pee's Bigger, The Bike's Not
for Sale, Francis. He is so awkward in that movie.
I love it so much, especially when he's taking the
bath and the big old indoor swimming pool and Pee Wee.
Was so awkward, but I love it. He's also in
the movie Leprechaun.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Yeah, and he was also in a League of their Own.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Movies.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
We also have a sty Chandler as Nicky, Stuart Fratkin
as Rupert Styles. He was in a lot of eighties comedies,
Ski School, he was on TV a lot of one shots,
Facts Alive, Golden Girls, all those kind of thing. He's
not the same Styles from the first movie.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I know, man, what happened? What happened?
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Why would they even bother having Styles in this movie.
If it's not the same.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Styles, maybe it's Styles as Cousin.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Yeah, Miles, I don't know what. Robert Neary as Steve
Gus Gustafson. He's the bully, right, he's a bit, He's
a big bully. Bethan Miller is Lisa Goldfuss, Rachel Sharp
as Emily William is Pug, and there's a few others,
but those are the main ones, main ones really. Jason
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Bateman in this one was Jason Bateman's first movie ever,
and it shows yep.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I don't think he did so bad. I think it's
the makeup that was made it bad.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I think it's the makeup and the story. But we'll
get into that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Hey.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
This movie debuted November twentieth, nineteen eighty seven. It's ninety
four minutes long, made here in the US of a
music by Mark Goldenberg, distributed by Atlantic Releasing Corporation. This
movie had a budget of four million dollars in nineteen
eighty seven, which translates to eleven million today.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I wonder what they spent that on.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
It wasn't makeup effects. I can tell that it's right now.
It was probably just the music rights to get some
of those songs. Probably it did make a profit, Sir.
The box office seven point nine million, which in today's
movie would be twenty two million. So it I don't
know about promotions, but it doubled its money.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, but I was gonna say it's they didn't have
Facebook and all that bat remember Bond, It was word
of mouth or or newspaper reviews. You didn't have. Oh
this movie's terrible, don't go see it. He was like, oh,
Team Wolf two, I'm in. I liked the first one,
and then people must not have told their friends how
bad it was.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Exactly exactly. So here's what Team Wolf two is all about.
Man Todd Howard, the cousin of Scott Howard, Michael J.
Fox's character in the first movie, has recently been accepted
into Hamilton University on a full athletic.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Scholarship as a freshman.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
As a freshman, right on the recommendation of coach Bobby Flintstock,
who was Scott's basketball coach at Beacontown High. His hope
is that Todd has the same family jeens to become
a werewolf and turn the struggling boxing team into a
championship contender. So right there, if I'm in the executive boardroom,
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and that's the plot they're pitching. I'm already out.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't kid it.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
I'm already lost. Jimbo, I'm already lost. Here's a college
whose future depends on a freshman boxing team.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Right, and who majors in girls cheerleading said on his
sex I don't I don't get it. Hey bye bond
can you uh? Can you hum us? A few bars
of the Hamilton College theme song or whatever that say,
Oh Hambleton, that's right, I forgot that.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
The opening scene is like the theme from college Awesome.
Oh man, I wish I did. I wish I'd written
that down in a second. The theme song, the school
fight song, the school song for beacon to or for
a Hamilton University is the best part of Hamilton University.
Maybe the dean is pretty cool, but any college whose
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life or death is based on whether or not a
the college freshman can pull the boxing team up.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Was like the boxing thing like a big deal for him.
I guess like it was it like a he was
sick of getting beat year after year? Is that what
it was? Or something?
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Well, they didn't have a football team, a baseball team,
a soccer team, something else. This whole college, like their
whole future rest on. The boxing team didn't even though
collegees had boxing.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Teams, it probably don't.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Behind well, hey, Hamilton University does, and it is the
lynch pin of their sports program. Now, Todd's never been
good at sports. He wants to be a veterinarian, which
I thought was kind of funny, kind of ironic. Right, Yeah,
he is certain that fin Stocks made the you know,
(15:49):
he's got the wrong guy. He doust have picked the
wrong person. Something must have went wrong. They have a
meet and greet at the school with the alumni. It's
like a little banquet thing. It's more kind of like
a Southern banquet kind of, you know, gala, if you will.
And while he's dancing with the good looking girl in
the movie, he starts to wolf out his first time
(16:11):
he's wolfing. She's like she's forced, she's forced to dance
with him, and he starts sweating. And I love the
line where she says, you sure do sweat a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well, And then if you if you see the girl
that was with her, I don't know if it was
her sister or whatever. And the principal, I think it
was principal or that says, well, you're dancing with them next,
like a.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Dirty look, and he's like, I don't know what you're
laughing about. You're dancing with them next.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But but he is. He has kind of fell for
this quiet biology partner of his at this point, because
she comes to that gala thing too, and when he
starts dancing with the other girls, she's kind of jealous. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Yeah, he's got like a little would be uh biology
major girlfriend. That's uh probably Kim Darby. No, Kim Darby's
a professor, Sorry about that, but yeah, he's got this
little girlfriend. He starts to wolf out. They do, I
guess a semi decent job of showing him turning into
(17:16):
a wolf. His nails get long.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
That's pretty good. Nails get longer and sharper, and then
he looks in the tuba.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah, the tuba. That was a good special effect.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I think it was.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Showing it like the reflection of his of his transformation
in the in the.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Edge and then he turned around. You're like, oh, never mind, Yeah,
they should have just kept it like that.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
And it's kind of like run out real quick, all Harry.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah. So something that bothers me about this movie, and
it bothered me about.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Me about the first team Wolf. Why does no one
run out screaming? Why is no one shocked to see
somebody turn into a werewolf? Everybody's fine with it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, maybe these they've heard the stories, because then you know,
the stories have been going around because if you remember,
in the s of the coach's office, he does have
a picture of Michael J. Fox when he was in
the basketball program and his wolf outfit on the wall.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And nobody nobody's How does that not make national news?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
How does it not where wolf where wolves exist and
play basketball, wherewolves exist and they are now playing you
know now?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And how come you don't have any hunters coming to
get him, like and Harry and the Henderson where they're
going to try to shoot and kill him and be like, haha,
we got it, we can dissect him now.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Study them nothing. Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Hey, he's there to win the boxing match.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
He wolfs out at the dance right. He hates it.
He does not want to be a wolf. He's horrified
by his family's affliction. He his fellow students begin harassing
him until his first boxing match. He's on the boxing team. Somehow,
Chubbs is on the boxing team too.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I love him.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Chubbs is very athletic. He's on the basketball team. In
the first movie, he's on the boxing team.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And this. Yeah, but the first movie he was in
only in high school. This is college. He's he's grown up.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
So he's made the college team. That's what you're saying. Yeah,
he's made the cut. He's officially on the college team,
the boxing team, but Chubbs is on the team too.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Michael J.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Fox's character he gets into the ring. Todd gets into
the ring and he's knocked out almost.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
That's not Michael J. Fox, there, buddy, that's Jason Bateman.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Jason Bateman. Thanks man, Jason Bateman. He gets in the
ring and he's almost knocked out. He gets knocked down
to the floor. They're counting him down and he's uh.
He turns into the wolf. His eyes turned red. He
turns into wolf this time for some reason. If you
turn into a wolf, you're really good at boxing.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
He jumps like, way up in the air, you're really
good at boxing.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
And so he comes from behind he's able to knock
the other guy out. He wins, and then everybody in
the college is great with him being a wolf. Now,
like that's great. I'm glad that he's a wolf and
he can box. But see he seems excited because he
got exactly what he wanted to.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But see Styles, that's the reason Styles came to the
college because he was getting all that money from the
high schoolers. And he's like, hey, I can be roommates
with this guy. And he's got the same issue. If
you will, if turning into a wolf, I can capitalize this,
sell t shirts, sell merchandise, which he does. But I
do think I do think if we go back to
the towards the beginning the movie, where Styles has basically
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signed him up for all these classes like women's cheerleading
and culinary whatever. There's a list of him and he
goes to get a change, and the like three people
in front of him, like the lady's like, nobody gets
their schedule changed. And the next guy comes up there.
She's like, what do you want? And he's like he
just walks away, and he gets up there, he's like, look,
I need to get this change. She just looks at
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him and then he gets that eye glow and his
voice kind of deeper, and she changes it for him.
I think they did a really good job with that too,
with his eyes. At certain times, I thought that was
really well done too.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Yeah, the mission lady, she gets the evil eye and
she changes it right away. She's a jerk though she
doesn't let anybody change classes.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Everybody lines, he goes, that wasn't that hard.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
But it's the same. It's the same scene from the
first movie.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yep. In the first movie, Michael J. Fox goes to
buy beer.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Give me a keg of beer, Give me a keg
of beer, right his eyes for it. In this one,
it's like, I need to change my classes. Okay, okay,
it's the same exact scene.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yep. He's a wolf. Now he's a wolf, and everybody
knows chicks dig Harry guys. Well, let me beat him
off with a stick there, bond because I look like
taskquatch when I take my shirt off.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I don't seem to have a problem with that. He uh,
he's a hit with the ladies all of a sudden,
All of a sudden, all the ladies love him. The
scene where he sings the song he comes out at
the party do you love Red Disco shirt? And he sings, yeah,
do you love me?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The part I always loved when I was a kid.
Is when he slides down the like the the lanyrens,
you know, all the way down to the bottom of
that which reminded me of Karate Kid too, when he's
over in Okinawa and he slides down, the bad guy
slide down and they fight on that little thing. That's
what that reminds of. But I always love this scene.
When I was a kid, little ten year old, mean
loved this movie. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Well, little ten year old, you must have loved that
singing scene, because that scene killed me. I was like, Okay,
I'll buy that you're a wolf. I'll buy that you're
on the boxing team, but a wolf and start like
singing do you love Me? And like did you notice
all the girls in the background had the same choreography?
(23:01):
He knew the move So this is something they practiced
before the party because they were all dancy and they
all had.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
The same moves.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
And I'm like, wait a minute, how do they know
what to do?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
In the background?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Man, Well, Jason Bateman becomes a jerk, yes, and he
stops going to classes.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
He stops going to classes. He stopped He starts ignoring
his uh biology barner s the picnic girlfriend, right, mm hmm. Yeah,
he starts to ignore his girl friend, he starts to
ignore his classes.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
He's becomes a jerk, and he's become mister popularity. Like
I remember when he Styles sows the frisbee and he
goes running out there and catches it in his mouth
and brings it back. He signed an autographs. Styles has
got the shirts, you know, sewing the shirts and all
that now too. So they're and they're excited, they're they're
they've got a chance at the boxing championship. True.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
But remember the scene where he goes to play miniature golf.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Oh yeah, and he.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Starts to that, starts to rub people the wrong way
because it's like he's showing off.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Now.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
He's like, we just want to play and have fun.
We just want to play some miniature golf. And he's like,
you know, let me show you how this is done.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Is that come with the popularity or is that is
that part.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Of the werewolf? I don't know, maybe both. Yeah, is
it part of becoming a werewolf, because you wouldn't have
the popularity without the werewolf? True, Well, like you said,
the big championship fights coming up, and he decides that,
(24:43):
you know what, I'm going to fight this fight.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Not as the Wolf. I'm going to fight it as
Todd Howard.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Well, you see that scene where he calls his uncle
and he's really struggling. He's like, look, I don't know
what's going on. I don't know how to handle this anymore.
You know, it's overtaking me. I'll become a jerk. And
he's like, I don't know what to do. And he's like, basically, hey,
be yourself. And so that's what you apologize to his girlfriend,
(25:16):
and so nobody knows. You don't know that he's not
going to come out as the wolf, but if you've
seen the first movie, it's the same because he comes
out like the boxers do, with the hood over his face,
you know, exactly.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
And maybe that's one of the reasons. One of the
problems that you and I have with this movie is
it follows the first movie too closely. There's so many
scenes that are exactly like the first one that there's
no originality to it. But he decides, hey, I'm going
to fight this one as Todd instead of the wolf.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And how does that go? Not too well? It didn't
start off very good at all. No, he realizes that
he's not gonna do it. He's not gonna win, right,
But his uncle had given him some advice that you
don't know really what it is. But they start practicing
that night or whatever. He said, I'll drive up there
and practice with you or whatever true true.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
And then meanwhile, off to the side, you have the professor,
the professor Tanya Brooks, she's uh. She goes over there
and she's talking to the dean and you find out
that she's a wolf.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
At that foxy tail on.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Yeah, she had the dress and her little her little
tail comes out and starts wagging.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I tell you why, man, I've never the Probably the
one of the funniest parts of this movie is when
Chubbs is that ring side, see's that little nut and
he throws it over and hits the bell.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Yeah, and he grabs that little nut. Just keep fighting,
just keep fighting, oh man. Todd's losing round after around, right,
He's almost knocked out. He's tempted to become the wolf
until he looks in the crowd sees Nikki, his would
(27:10):
be girlfriend, and she says, I love you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yep, she mouths the.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Words I love you to him and love conquers all.
He's able to get his strength back and he knocks
him out and wins the boxing match and saves the college,
saves the college. Isn't that amazing? Is that a great ending?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Amazing?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Yes, it is. This is a great one.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Man.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I can't I can't believe that it only got an
eight on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
An eight? An eight? What was the audience score on
Rotten Tomatoes? Though, Let's see if I can find that.
It can't be much better anyway, But we'll go ahe
and talk around some trivia. I really love Chubbs in
this movie, man is. He's funny, especially when he goes
for his first boxing match. He's hugging the guy, picking
(28:09):
him up and slamming him and stuff. But there's not
a lot of information. Like I said, But one of
the reasons Michael J. Fox has refusal to reprise his
role in this was that he had no desire to
go through the process of getting into the makeup to
play the werewolf again. It was just too much for him.
And I can't blame that did look different, like, I
don't know, like the hair on his arms and everything,
(28:31):
you know, I mean, maybe because he played basketball and
he had more skin showing. Maybe that's why it looked better.
But other than that, but I would I wonder. I
wonder if it would have been any different with Michael J.
Fox instead of Jason Bateman. You think it would have
made more money.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
I think it would have been better. I don't think
the plot would have been better. I don't think the
movie itself would have been better, but I think.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, Michael J. Fox could have been like, I'm not
doing that. We're gonna do something else, you know. Yeah,
But when Todd is looking through styles of stuff, he
finds a teen Wolf nineteen eighty five t shirt from
the first film, which is pretty cool. That's cool, all right,
Bond here you go. We wish they would have made
this because I'm about ready to tell you something that's
gonna blow your mind. Alyssa Milano, you know who that is? Yes,
(29:18):
I do. From Who's the Boss? And from Who's the Boss? Yeah.
She was scheduled to do a third film about a
teen Wolf girl. Yes, playing football in high school. Yes,
she wants to receive help from her father Scott and
(29:39):
uncle Todd, but the poor performance from this film canceled
those plans. Ain't that a shame? We could have had
a Lissa Milano teen Girl Wolf.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Oh Man, teen Wolf three.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Teen Wolf Girl playing football, and you bring back Michael J. Funk,
Jason Bateman. You bring them both back, and Chubs better
be on the football team too.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Yeah, Styles, you Chubbs as the coach.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
We could still do it. I think it'd still be great.
You know what, you can have Chubs movie. You can
have Chubbs as kids and Styles as kids be on
the football team or and selling concessions and all that too.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Exactly, you have you have Styles, Styles as kids are
selling concessions, Chubbs as kids are on the football team.
I'd go as far as to say Team Wolf three
would have saved Team Wolf two.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
If you could have tied it all together, absolutely, if
you could have got Michael J. Fox trilogy, and you
wouldn't even had to have Michael J. Fox in full
wolf costume. You could have just had him with his
eyes glowing or something, or even like they did this
with the tael But you could have just maybe he
did his face once like the uncle did in this
one when he was driving. I would have just had
I would just had him getting mad at the coach
once his eyes go red. Yeah, there you go. But uh,
(30:56):
I think it would have been good man, think of
Lis Milano. What might have been that was worth us
doing this whole episode over finding that fact. You know,
he talked about the two people that reprise their roles,
all right. When Coach Finstock looks at Todd's registration card
at the beginning of the film, his information and course
schedule can be seen, and it is as follows. Name
(31:20):
is Todd Howard. He was born November twenty third, nineteen
sixty nine. I wonder if that was a Black Friday.
His ID number was five four six two two ten
thirty nine. The dorm was Rimbant Hall. And here you go.
Here's the courses that Styles had signed him up for.
(31:40):
Are you ready okay?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
One of it was French cuisine.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Uh well, there's girls, volleyball, candle making, French a French
slash chef's uh bg, and fencing that's okay, oh man.
Rod Daniel, the director of the original Teen Wolf, stated
(32:04):
that he was never a pro even approached to return
as the director for this sequel. He also said he
had never seen Teenwolf two and never wanted to. I
wonder if that was part of the problem too, and
it didn't have the same director, it could be I
don't know to be.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
I mean, well, if you don't have the same director,
you don't have the same writers, and you don't have
the same star, why don't you bother making a second movie?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Why do you remake movies today that don't need to
be remade? Exactly? And here you go. This picture was
released during an early mid nineteen eighty cycle of werewolf movies.
Tell me if you've seen these movies there bond. These
include wolfin from nineteen eighty one. I'm gonna have to
(32:49):
say no, that's how familiar. But I'd be lying if
I said, yeah, The Howling nineteen eighty one. Of course,
teen Wolf from nineteen eighty five. Of course, Hawling two,
your sister is a werewolf.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
I think I have seen that one. I think I
have seen that one.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Full Moon High in nineteen eighty one. No, of course,
teen Wolf two in eighty seven, The Company of Wolves
in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
I wonder if that's the Little Red Riding Hood one.
There's one that's like a spinoff, Little Red writing.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Hood Howling three in nineteen eighty seven. I think I
might have given up on Howling by then, and an
American Werewolf in London in nineteen eighty one, which was
the best werewolf movie ever made. And so that's all
the trivia I had. Like I said, there wasn't a lot.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Okay, So here's something I found just now. I'm looking
at the movie poster for teen Wolf.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Two.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Freshmen have always had trouble adjusting to college life, but
never like this. Justin Bateman, Todd Howard is leaning on
a stack of books college books.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Do you see what they say?
Speaker 6 (33:54):
You see the titles? They say, Veterinary Medicine, State Leash Laws,
Hair Care for Men are just some of the book
titles that I see on this stack.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
What's that second books? Yeah, on the prow.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
So all the all the books right there are like
secretly like just wear wolf and animal related books, which
I thought was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I dare say that the the skin of the fur
on the sands there look better there than they do
in the movie.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
I don't know why they didn't use the the movie
poster guy as the as the makeup artist.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
So overall rating and review, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Man? All right?
Speaker 6 (34:34):
Man?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
If I'm looking at man, this is the first time
I've seen this. Man, it's been thirty years. Probably. Yeah.
I loved it when I was a kid. I know
I did. And you go back and you look at
it with fresh eyes and everything you've seen now, and
it was a hard watch. It really was. And uh,
(34:57):
I hate to say that. I think Chubbs was probably
the best part of the movie. Him and Uncle Howard
did a good job. Again, we didn't even talk about
did you just slap me with a dead frog? Remember
what they were doing the biology class, And that's true.
They have a frog fight. I was like, wow, yeah, man.
(35:21):
So the special effects, there were some good special effects.
Other times it was it was like his finished product
just looked bad. I'm gonna have man, I'm gonna have
to give it probably a four and a half stars
out of ten just from this, just from nostalgia that
(35:43):
that's part of ten year old me hanging on.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Okay, I agree with you that when I was a kid,
this movie was great. When I was a kid, I
love this movie. I, like you said, went to Blockbuster
rented this sucker.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Was upset when it was all rented.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Oh yeah, because they were all they were all gone
by the time I got there Friday night.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Absolutely so, nostalgia.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Wise, it's a great movie. Today it's hard to watch.
It's really really bad that the singing is bad.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Hamilton was the best part of the movie, exactly.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
The the whole plot of the movie. You have to
use boxing to save your college, and no one's ever
upset or worried that there's this wolf running around. It
doesn't phaze anybody. The fact that teenage girls are attracted
to guys who could turn into a werewolf is creepy
(36:41):
and weird. It's not good. It's not good at all.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, well,
maybe he wasn't a team, but if he was a freshman,
he was probably still a teenager.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Yeah, okay, So one thing you just mentioned was the
fact that American Wolf and London was made in nineteen
eighty one. The special effects in that movie are some
of the best werewolf special effects of all time. They
had him transforming into a wolf in bright light in
(37:15):
the middle of the living room. So don't tell me
the special effects and makeup weren't available in nineteen eighty seven.
They were. It's just the makeup so bad you could
see it caked on.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I wonder if they had the same special effects as
the Department as the first one.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
I would be surprised if they did. I mean the
first one, the special effects, the makeup and stuff wasn't great,
but it wasn't distractingly bad like it wasn't this one, right,
you gave it a four and a half. I'm gonna
go lower. I'm gonna say probably a three and a
half or four at the mines. I can't give it
a I can't say this is an average five movie.
This is way below average. Yeah, that being said, if
(37:55):
you haven't seen.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
It, let us know if you have not seen this movie,
or if you have watched it in thirty something years
like I have.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Oh yes, I agree one hundred percent. If you remember
this movie as a kid, go back and watch it now.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Right, that is your homework. But see now, I'm gonna
say this and this is like the Masters of the
Universe movie. I love that movie. I can watch that
movie now and I still get a kick out of
it because that's my childhood and with Dolph Lungern as
he man. I'm excited about the new one coming out,
but I can watch that and enjoy it for what
it is. This it's different, you know, it's just different.
(38:35):
But I'm glad I watched it again because it's been
so long and just going down memory lane, it was
well worth another watch.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Eighties comedies are always the best comedies. Man, that's my child.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
And don't get me wrong, I will take this movie
over some of that junk they put out these days. Anyway.
I agree, So it's not it can't be that bad, Bond,
all right? Then I raise it up to note, Oh
you're going to five and a half? What? Well, thanks
for joining us for our first summer of sequels. Our
(39:05):
next summer of sequels is by far and away a
way better movie than this one.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Bond.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Would you like to tell the people what the next
Summer of sequel movie is going to be?
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Turn the lights down, put your headphones on, might a candle?
Our next Summer Sequels review will be Friday the thirteenth,
Part three in three.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
D Jason gets his mask. Well, thanks for listening. We
hope you had a good time. Let us know what
you think of this movie. We're on Facebook. We'll post
something on there and see if you guys agree or disagree.
But with that being said, I think this episode's coming
to a close. And that's a wrap and cut the
(39:58):
City of Synem when.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Then Marie Shimmer joined us, as we toast to the tales.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
We love the most. Try upset?
Speaker 7 (40:11):
Then Marie Shimmer joined us, as we toast to the
tales we love the most, As we.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Love the most, the tragedy of cinema theory.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
Shimmer joy us if we toast through the tail, you
love the most, tells me you love the most? Remember Killer,
join us, Send me tost w tells me love the most,
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tells me the most, love the most.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
All right, if you've made it this far, here's an
Easter egg pretty soon, the triumphant return of Art Toast
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.